Abstract Wikipedia abstractwiki https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia:Main_page MediaWiki 1.47.0-wmf.4 first-letter Media Special Talk User User talk Abstract Wikipedia Abstract Wikipedia talk File File talk MediaWiki MediaWiki talk Template Template talk Help Help talk Category Category talk TimedText TimedText talk Module Module talk Translations Translations talk 4 6 9211 9157 2026-05-30T12:15:42Z Bunnypranav 929 /* Ratification of the deletion policy proposal? */ Reply 9211 wikitext text/x-wiki {{#ifexist:Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat/Header/{{USERLANGUAGE}}|{{/Header/{{USERLANGUAGE}}}}|{{/Header}}}} {{/Archives}} <!-- Add your discussion below this line --> == Why don't we just structure this with wikitemplates? == I feel like the project could be done a lot better by using templates kind of like how wikipedia does them. Just the entire thing is templates that can be rendered in many languages. So like [[Q106289265]] would have the content <nowiki>{{Z26039|Q7257}}</nowiki> and could even have some aliasing done across languages so it could be <nowiki>{{subject is|Q7257}}</nowiki>. Code would be editable with a regular visual editor or code editor. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:34, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :This is available in pages when Parsoid rendering is enabled. We don't use this becuase it doesn't make sense for constructing and editing massive articles. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC) ::How do you do parsoid rendering? And why wouldn't it make sense? With aliases and everything could work great. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:12, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :::I believe it is enabled by default. If you do have it on: {{#function:Z10000|you'll s|ee this}} [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:54, 30 March 2026 (UTC) :you may be interested in reading this old [[m:Abstract_Wikipedia/Google.org_Fellows_evaluation|Google report]]. [[User:BrokenSegue|BrokenSegue]] ([[User talk:BrokenSegue|talk]]) 14:32, 9 May 2026 (UTC) == Why the editing API doesn't work == {{tracked|T423542}} Immanuelle wrongly stated that there is no REST API for editing. [[#REST API for editing?|There is]]. However, it does not work when called from software outside Abstract Wikipedia. That is because there is no way to grant a bot password or OAuth customer the permission to edit abstract articles (<code>wikilambda-abstract-edit</code>) and create them (<code>wikilambda-abstract-create</code>), since no grant on [[Special:ListGrants]] includes either. Should this be fixed? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 01:57, 26 April 2026 (UTC) :Yes I think the rights should be added. I think the number of automated edits should be low at the moment as Abstract Wikipedia is still in an early phase and so far there is not much support for small languages and so many functions will maybe change to cover more languages. As automatic editing using a Bot Account requires an formal request it is no problem if the option exists. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 18:17, 26 April 2026 (UTC) :Sounds good to me. Could we add a bot section to [[Abstract Wikipedia:Requests for permissions]]? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:35, 5 May 2026 (UTC) ::[[Abstract_Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions#Bot]] ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 23:56, 5 May 2026 (UTC) == Q884 == The page [[Q884]] has inaccurate statements about the head of government and the head of state of South Korea. Part of what it returns in English is "Lee Ju-ho is the head of government of South Korea.Park Geun-hye is the head of state of South Korea." However, neither Lee Ju-ho nor Park Geun-hye currently have their respective roles mentioned here. How should these statements be turned into ones using the past tense? [[User:Intolerable situation|Intolerable situation]] ([[User talk:Intolerable situation|talk]]) 14:44, 30 April 2026 (UTC) :not currently possible :((((( [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:46, 30 April 2026 (UTC) :Feeglgeef is correct, past tense sentence generation is something we are sorely lacking at the moment. If you look at [[f:WF:Type proposals#Representing abstract content|Wikifunctions' type proposals]] you can see some initiatives that could hopefully mitigate this. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 13:49, 1 May 2026 (UTC) == Abstract Wikipedia should use a different mw-wiki-logo than Wikipedia for Vector 2010 skin == {{Tracked|T424781}} Hello friends. I've been asked to start a community conversation about this. I'd like to propose that Abstract Wikipedia create its own logo, so that folks visiting this wiki don't get it mixed up with Wikipedia. Even though this project is under the Wikipedia domain, I think it's pretty unique and it'd make sense to make sure it doesn't get mixed up with enwiki or other Wikipedias by newbies googling for Wikipedia articles. Thoughts? Thanks. [[User:Novem Linguae|Novem Linguae]] ([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]]) 12:02, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :Isn't there already one? Are we talking about a logo in a different context? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 12:25, 1 May 2026 (UTC) ::Looks like this is just for the Vector 2010 skin. [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia:Main_page?useskin=vector Example.] I'll edit this section and the ticket to clarify that. [[User:Novem Linguae|Novem Linguae]] ([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]]) 12:28, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :::Ah, thank you, I'd {{s}} this then. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 12:31, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :This has been raised before above in [[#Logo]], the same problem appears on Monobook. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 13:45, 1 May 2026 (UTC) ::Would you support using [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/static/images/mobile/copyright/abstractwiki-wordmark.svg the Vector 2022 logo] on Vector 2010 and Monobook? That'd be a simple technical solution. [[User:Novem Linguae|Novem Linguae]] ([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]]) 14:02, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :::Yes, I see no issue with using that for the moment. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 14:04, 1 May 2026 (UTC) == What would it take for AW to catch up to (English) Reasonator? Porting over functions? == The Wikidata tool [https://reasonator.toolforge.org Reasonator] already automatically creates several sentences in English describing human Wikidata items using [https://codeberg.org/magnusmanske/reasonator/commit/b506362c3c2e90b32de32708ec668eee49603cb0 auto_long_desc.js] under [https://codeberg.org/magnusmanske/reasonator/src/commit/a6ee9095c3accfb67845caf438ce83c98c19e38e/LICENSE a GPL 2.0 free software license] without using any large language model or other AI. Abstract Wikipedia, on the other hand, requires [[Help:How to create an article/en|a several step process just to create a lead sentence]]. Does Resonator have functions in [https://codeberg.org/magnusmanske/reasonator/src/commit/a6ee9095c3accfb67845caf438ce83c98c19e38e/public_html/auto_long_desc.js#L406 the English section of auto_long_desc.js] that Wikifunctions doesn't have at the moment? Is that what's preventing Abstract Wikipedia from auto-generating substantial text (at least in English) based off of Wikidata like Resonator does? Below is [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q1339&lang=en an example of what Resonator can generate from Wikidata] without needing human edits the way Abstract Wikipedia does. (Though I omitted some children for the sake of brevity.) <blockquote> '''Johann Sebastian Bach''' was a [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=696651 Saxe-Eisenach]-[https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=12548 Holy Roman Empire]-[https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=183 German] [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=36834 composer], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=765778 organist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=5371902 harpsichordist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=1259917 violinist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=899758 violist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=158852 conductor], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=1076502 choir director], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=691031 concertmaster], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=14915627 musicologist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=16145150 music educator], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=214970 virtuoso], and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=2251335 school teacher]. He was born on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1685-03-21 March 21, 1685] in [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=7070 Eisenach] to [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=309470 Johann Ambrosius Bach] and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=66671 Maria Elisabeth Lämmerhirt]. He studied at [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=1930161 St. Michael's School] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1702-04 April 1702]. His field of work included [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=8361 Baroque music] and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=9730 classical music]. He was [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=215793 chapelmaster] from [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1717-12 December 1717] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1723-04 April 1723] and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=641457 Thomaskantor] from [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1723 1723] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1750 1750]. He worked for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=117540 Collegium Musicum], for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=1230608 Saint Blaise], for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=61689 Leopold, Prince of Anhalt-Köthen], for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=61972 Johann Ernst III, Duke of Saxe-Weimar] from [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1703-01 January 1703] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1703-08 August 1703], for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=699668 Thomasschule zu Leipzig], and for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=798194 Bachkirche Arnstadt] from [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1703-08 August 1703] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1707 1707]. He married [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=57487 Maria Barbara Bach] on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1707-10-17 October 17, 1707] (married until on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1720-07-07 July 7, 1720] ) and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=57212 Anna Magdalena Bach] on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1721-12-03 December 3, 1721] (married until on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1750-07-28 July 28, 1750] ). His children include [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=15079141 Catharina Dorothea Bach], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=107277 Wilhelm Friedemann Bach], […] He died of [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=12202 stroke] on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1750-07-28 July 28, 1750] in [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=2079 Leipzig]. He was buried at [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=170402 St. Thomas Church]. </blockquote> [[User:Lovelano|Lovelano]] ([[User talk:Lovelano|talk]]) 18:41, 1 May 2026 (UTC) == Project scope == Might be a stupid question but what articles are/will be allowed on Abstract Wikipedia? How far is it meant to expand? The language Wikipedias have some differing policies, so might not be as simple as copying those. Personally I find the idea of creating an article for any and every Wikidata item really cool and a good ''baseline'' for what can have an article, but wouldn't ~120 million abstract articles become unwieldy? If the only requirement is that the article topic has a Wikidata item, then there are many interesting possibilities; one could write about individual dates, Wikidata test items, even Wikimedia disambiguation pages. Have not found where this is explained, if anywhere. This may be up to common sense, but trouble is, couldn't one create an encyclopedically meaningful article on just about anything? Pretty important policy not to have if it's undecided, though is not a problem at the moment. Just wondering. [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 23:36, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :This isn't a stupid question and I don't think this is entirely settled. Have you seen [[Abstract Wikipedia:About]]? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 23:57, 1 May 2026 (UTC) ::Ah, I forgot about that page. So it is meant to abstract information from existing Wikipedia articles? Makes sense, though it still raises the question of creating new articles. [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 00:41, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::At this juncture, I don't think anyone has in mind drafting anything new here as such: this is just responding to existing Wikidata items and the possibility of new Wikipedia articles drafted from them, using Wikifunctions. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 00:51, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :I don't think we ever get any article an existing wiki does not have. Even if abstract content creation gets as fast as reasonably possible, it will never beat out typing text, so we will never catch up with, say, enwiki or eswiki. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:10, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::It's also a question of policy. There are topics about which things could be said, but which wouldn't meet the baseline notability or other criteria of the big monolingual wikis. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:22, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::This is true, if we keep [[d:]]'s notability policy (which seems like the most natural one) then there are many subjects that we theoretically can talk about that don't meet the [[w:WP:GNG|GNG]] and similar guidelines. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:25, 2 May 2026 (UTC) == How many articles in how many languages are actually fully available without errors == This is a response to the call in [[:f:Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-02]]. The most important thing to count is already listed there: '''How many articles in how many languages are actually fully available without errors?''' It should be not just a count, but a list: I want to see which articles are readable in which languages; which articles are readable in some languages, but not others (which ones?); which articles are not readable in any language; etc. An even more relevant, but much harder to measure thing is how many of those articles are actually more useful than not having an article at all. There is no article about Boston in many languages, but [[Q100]], which currently says "Boston is the capital of Massachusetts.Boston is the largest city of Massachusetts." is not significantly more useful than nothing at all even if it's fully rendered in another language in which there is no concrete article about it. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 12:12, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :Perhaps this should have been on the talk page of that status update instead of the project chat? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:25, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::The status update is about two projects and so I can understand if there are comments here. What do you think about creating a status update overview page with links to the status updates in Abstract Wikipedia to offer the possibility to discuss the status updates and especially things related to Abstract Wikipedia there. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 18:57, 4 May 2026 (UTC) :::I don't think that's necessary. You can just include your abstractwiki (as in, the live wiki, not the project) related comments on the page on [[f:]], or, if for some reason that's not possible, as a reply to the newsletter announcement here. The point is, the project chat is crowded enough with topics as it is, ideally it should be more focussed on general matters of discussion than close-ended enquiries about topics that have their own talk page. I find Amire80's use of a new == heading here to be improper. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:32, 4 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #246 is out: Request for input: what should we count for Abstract Wikipedia == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-02|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we ask you what would be the relevant metrics for Abstract Wikipedia, we discuss our latest news on Composition Language v2, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 12:21, 2 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30325620 --> == Spaces between sentences, another attempt == [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat#Extra spaces between sentences|A month ago]], @[[User:内存溢出的猫|内存溢出的猫]]<ref group="spaces3>According to Google Translate, it's pronounced "Nèicún yìchū de māo". Please correct me if it's wrong. When I write, I want to know how are things that I write pronounced aloud, and very unfortunately, I never learned to read Chinese characters, and even if I did, most English speakers probably didn't. Come to think of it, is there a function that ''reliably'' transliterates Chinese characters?</ref> That discussion doesn't seem to have yielded any fixes or meaningful discussions, at least not that I can see. [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat#Spaces between sentences|Two weeks ago]], I tried to bring up a similar topic, but that discussion somehow got derailed and also didn't yield anything useful. Now, the problem looks differently, but it's still a problem. When I look at [[Q10251]], for example, what I see is four sentences that ''appear'' with ''no'' spaces between them. Not one, not two—none at all. It looks like this: :Plasma is a fundamental state of matter.Plasma is a classical state of matter.A plasma is a gas.A plasma is a matter. Note that I emphasized ''appear'': When I see them rendered on the screen, they have no spaces between them. In the HTML, however, they are represented as four <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>s, and their inline positioning is handled by CSS. This means, for example, that if I copy and paste them, I don't get a long string with no spaces after full stops, but four sentences with a single line break after each full stop: <poem> Plasma is a fundamental state of matter. Plasma is a classical state of matter. A plasma is a gas. A plasma is a matter. </poem> This is not how it is supposed to be done. <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>s are supposed to be used for block elements and not hacked into appearing as if they are inline (also known as phrasing). Spaces between sentences are supposed to be real characters rather than HTML and CSS tricks, they may be different in different languages, and in some languages they may be nothing at all. I hope that the definition of the problem is clear. <references group="spaces3"></references> [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 12:49, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :Hi, have a look at it [[Special:PermanentLink/7132|now]]. Does this match your expectations? I think it's not rendering right now for whatever reason, but there are other examples of it being done this way that you can see: [[Q241691]]. The article renders properly in both English (spaces between sentences) and Japanese (no spaces at all). : :'''English:''' :<blockquote>Programmed Data Processor is a computer model series by Digital Equipment Corporation. PDP-8 is a Programmed Data Processor.</blockquote> :'''Japanese:''' :<blockquote>PDPシリーズはディジタル・イクイップメント・コーポレーションによるコンピュータ・モデル・シリーズである。PDP-8はPDPシリーズである。</blockquote> : :I have some, err, strong opinions about [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]]'s 「Abstract Wikipedia Editor」 tool, which is the predominant cause for all of these very janky and poorly-laid-out articles that you see. This is not how an article ought to be written on Abstract Wikipedia, and I and other editors are aware of this. If you see these problems, please do fix them! The wiki will be all the better for it. : :In the absence of consensus on such things as these (and awaiting any official policy pages) I have written [[f:User:Theki/best practices]] on my Wikifunctions userpage. You are welcome to read it if you wish. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:20, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::The output of [[Q241691]] looks OK to me in this regard. How was it done? ::[[Q10251]] gives me an error. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:10, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::WikiLambda is doing WikiLambda things. This WASI time limit error happens intermittently on Abstract Wikipedia articles and it usually goes away after a short while. The only thing is that it doesn't really seem like purging these articles does anything to force the orchestrator to retry its evaluation so the article might not render that paragraph until someone comes in and pokes at it by editing it somehow. ::: :::The working article uses the [[f:Z33068|''paragraph from sentences'']] function to lay out its individual sentence content. This function automatically handles converting any and all text-like objects (strings, HTML fragments, and monolingual text) to a consistent form, so sentence fragments can all be supplied verbatim to its list input. When the function is putting the sentences together it defaults to using a single space to separate them, but first checks if the requested language is in the [[f:Z33984|''languages without spaces between sentences'']] list. If it is, it doesn't add spaces at all, and just concatenates the sentences normally. I hope this explanation makes sense. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 18:19, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::::It makes some sense, but earlier, you suggested: "If you see these problems, please do fix them", and I'm not entirely sure how to do it. How would I fix it in [[Q100]], for example? [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 19:41, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::::In this case you would do the following: :::::# At the bottom, click the plus and then 「Add empty fragment」. :::::# Set the function to [[f:Z33068]], as mentioned earlier. :::::# Now go through each sentence fragment, find the innermost sentence-generation function, click on the three dots, and copy it. Do not copy the calls to [[f:Z29749]] or similar, these are not necessary. :::::# Go to the ''paragraph with sentences'' function call and add an element to the list. :::::# Click on the three dots next to the new element, and paste in the earlier sentence fragment. :::::# You can now delete the original fragment and repeat the process in the same list for the one after it. :::::&mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 19:46, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Theki|Theki]] I intend on fixing it, I recently made an attempt but the suggested fixes made problems worse. Do you have any practical suggestions of how to structure the templates? I will try to implement them when I have more time. ::Also your name is very confusing, are you in the process of getting it changed wiki-wide? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:36, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::Um, are you referring to my signature not matching my wiki username? I have considered for a long time changing it from ''theki'', but I don't feel like putting in the effort when it seems to be perfectly ignorable for most people. The user 「''Rae''」 can't be usurped because they made, like, two or three articles on the Persian Wikipedia two decades ago or something, I don't know. If that weren't the case I would be User:Rae right now but after that failed to go through I just decided to stop bothering. Maybe at some point I'll come up with a username I'm happy with keeping for the foreseeable future but I have other concerns at the moment. :::Could you explain how your attempted fixes 「made problems worse」? Presently I side with Feeglgeef's sentiments and prefer to wait for abstract content to actually be feasible to make on a reasonably descriptive scale (see: the type proposals) before I go around making articles willy-nilly, which is what AWE has been doing—making a bunch of pretty low-quality articles on a massive scale when it probably ''really'' would have been better to, err, hold off on that. :::And I honestly know very little about the actual workings of your editor, I don't really use it nor am I familiar with its template syntax or whatever it may use, so I'm going to look over how it actually works and then get back to you on that. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 23:28, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Using this [[f:Z33068]] made things worse [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 00:44, 3 May 2026 (UTC) :::::That did not go through correctly but I do not think we have a proper thing for it. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 00:45, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::What? Could you elaborate? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 01:00, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::{{ping|Immanuelle}} I checked. Your issue is that your editor is not providing the article language to Z33068K2; that is, the ''paragraph from sentences'' function has a second argument, and your editor was omitting it. If you properly specify it, it will work. Please, next time, actually tell me what went wrong instead of going quiet and forcing me to look after it myself. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:06, 4 May 2026 (UTC) :I avoid [[f:Z33068]] for now, because executing a whole paragraph in a single call would often time out. So my current alternative is inserting [[f:Z35672]] between sentences. Fairly clunky, but it works... --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 06:08, 28 May 2026 (UTC) ::Can you categorize the talk pages of articles you're doing that with? It has major accessibility concerns for our friends using screen readers, so it'd be nice to be able to find those with issues when were able to fix the calls [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:50, 28 May 2026 (UTC) :::I think the new tool can show us this (via dumps). For example, here are the uses of 'paragraph': https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/zid/Z32123 --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 23:07, 28 May 2026 (UTC) ::::There's more than one way to not use spaces correctly and more than one way to use spaces correctly, this wouldn't catch all of them. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:13, 28 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I'm not totally sure what you want to track, but I'm confident that this will find all my uses. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 02:10, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::::I think it slipped past everyone's notice, but I made a template for linking to that sort of information @ [[Template:Zd|<nowiki>{{</nowiki>zd<nowiki>}}</nowiki>]]. {{zd|Z35672|sentence separator}} <span style="font-size:smaller;opacity:0.8">(I don't think the database dumps have noticed the function you're using yet, so it's a 404 at the moment.)</span> &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 01:09, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Most used fragments == [[:f:Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-02|The latest status update]] lists the most used fragments: "[[:f:Z32123]] with 1452, followed by [[:f:Z27868]] with 736 and [[:f:Z29749]] with 650)". How was this calculated? [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 13:44, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :Again, this should definitely have been on the talk page for that status update. This isn't the everything page, it should be used for discussion relating to the wiki. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:26, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::It's not a question just about the status update, even if it was prompted by it. It's a question about Abstract Wikipedia that can be relevant beyond the status update. ::Stop policing how people use discussion pages without a particularly good reason. If you don't have an answer to the actual question, don't write anything. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 19:38, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::I have to agree with Feeglgeef that this would be better raised on the status update's talk page itself. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 19:42, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::I'm "policing" which discussion pages are being used for the same reason different discussion spaces exist in the first place. And your distinction between "just about" and "prompted by" is irrelevant. If I want to ask someone how they did something, I would ask them first, not go to a general discussion board. This is still the project ''chat'', not a Q&A zone. {{ping|DVrandecic (WMF)|p=,}} can you please answer the question? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:22, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :I have a local script that I have run on a local copy. Nothing more complicated than that. Could also be very wrong -- the script hasn't been peer-reviewed or anything. --[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]] ([[User talk:DVrandecic (WMF)|talk]]) 08:54, 4 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thanks, @[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]]. Can you share the code, please? I'll be happy to review it. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 15:30, 4 May 2026 (UTC) ==Wiktionary integration== I was trying out a few functions recently, such as [https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z27243 the new superlative function], and I noticed that ''every adjective'' has to be a Wikidata item. For example, I couldn't type in the inputs "Bugatti Veyron", "fast", "Earth" because "fast" as an adjective is not a Wikidata item. This doesn't really make sense, given that Wiktionary already has the word for "fast" and its superlative form in many different languages. Would it be possible to integrate Wiktionary into the function, so the user can type an adjective or verb from Wiktionary instead of having to deal with Wikidata (which consists almost entirely of nouns)? [[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] ([[User talk:Somepinkdude|talk]]) 16:49, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :No, sadly. I would try "speed" as the adjective, though, you have to use abstract qualities instead of concrete English terms. [[File:Wikifunctions Superlative speed example.png|thumb|Here's an example of the word being used.]] [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:02, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :Wikidata has standard items as well as lexeme data, so if anything, we should try to integrate those. E.g. [[:d:Lexeme:L1029]]. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 19:48, 6 May 2026 (UTC) ::I tried this, and it gave "Bugatti Veyron is the speedest car on Earth", which is laughably bad. The problem is that Wikidata does not "know" what the superlative form is, while Wiktionary does. Speed is a fairly common descriptor, but what about less common adjectives which aren't on Wikidata? Will there need to be a bot to copy all of this information from Wiktionary? [[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] ([[User talk:Somepinkdude|talk]]) 22:14, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :::I'm not suggesting that the functionality works <em>now</em>, but that we need to integrate the funcationality. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 22:17, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :::Well, no, the superlative form is chosen by [[f:Z12203]]. I think there's a bug with the English implementation that calls that function wrong. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:19, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] I did find the item {{Q|Q19807466}} which was linked to a concept database's entry for "fast"; I have at least linked it to the English lexeme "fast" and will try to add more links at a better hour. [[User:Mahir256|Mahir256]] ([[User talk:Mahir256|talk]]) 04:18, 7 May 2026 (UTC) == Showcase == I was wondering if there's a curated list of decent articles to learn by example here on Abstract Wikipedia? [[User:Fgnievinski|Fgnievinski]] ([[User talk:Fgnievinski|talk]]) 02:02, 8 May 2026 (UTC) :Unfortunately not, and, honestly, I wouldn't recommend article creation at the moment, it's likely to need significant refactoring as the way we represent abstract content changes, but, I can point you to [[Q668]] as a reasonably good example at the moment. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:39, 8 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you. "308 languages" blew my mind – well done! [[User:Fgnievinski|Fgnievinski]] ([[User talk:Fgnievinski|talk]]) 02:54, 8 May 2026 (UTC) :::308 is the number of ''concrete'' Wikipedias in which a manually-written article about India is available. :::The abstract article renders for me in English as "India is a country in Asia. India is a republic. New Delhi is the capital of India. India is the most populous country in world." Switching to another language to get rendered as an abstract article is done by typing the language's name in the box above the rendered text. I tried French, German, and Dutch, and got errors in all of them. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 03:12, 8 May 2026 (UTC) ::::So it goes. The paragraph has quite a lot of distinct sentence generation functions, all of which of course have to be implemented in the target language. This will be rounded out once we're able to more effectively generalize linguistic content. I view these functions as sort of patchy temporary solutions to the sentence generation problem while we figure out something more robust, which I hope is soon to come. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 04:15, 8 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #247 is out: References from Wikidata now available == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-08|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we announce that is now possible to pass references in Wikidata statements, we introduce the [https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/ Abstract Data dashboard], we report you on the presentation about Abstract Wikipedia at WikiCon Australia, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Also, we remind you that if you have questions or ideas to discuss, the next '''Volunteers' Corner''' will be held on '''[https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1778520600 May 11, at 17:30 UTC]''' ([https://meet.google.com/xuy-njxh-rkw link to the meeting]). Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 11:16, 8 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30325620 --> == about the usage of Z33068 == The use of [[f:Z33068]] (en: paragraph from sentences) <s>always</s> most of the time results in the error "Reached time limit in orchestrator." So should it be used at all for now, temporarily? Or maybe there are already some tickets about this that I am not aware of? -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 18:23, 10 May 2026 (UTC) :It previously worked, so I'm hoping whatever the issue is will be fixed soon. The current state of the wiki makes [[m:Immediatism|immediatism]] an illogical philosophy to have at the moment, in my opinion. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:16, 10 May 2026 (UTC) ::This issue seems to no longer exist, you might need to clear the cache by making a dummy edit on affected articles. I implemented the function in Python (instead of composition), which has increased the speed by about 2000 ms. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 04:31, 11 May 2026 (UTC) :::Seems like working. Thank you. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 19:06, 11 May 2026 (UTC) == Manual of Style == I've created a [[Abstract Wikipedia:Manual of Style|draft for a Manual of Style]]. Please feel free to comment on or make bold edits to the page. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:29, 11 May 2026 (UTC) :Thank you! That’s great and I’ll look at it more soon. I’m still taking a bit of a wikibreak. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:32, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :Is there anything I've written [[f:User:Theki/best_practices#Abstract_Wikipedia|here]] that you think would make for a good technical section of the page? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 00:04, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::I've added some of them. Thank you for your list of best practices by the way, I generally agree with them (I can't endorse connecting WD items currently in hope of a better technical solution, but otherwise I do). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 00:58, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Proposals on the architecture of Abstract Content rendering == Starting from a discussion born on the Wikifunctions Telegram chat, I've explained two different proposals on how the NLG on Abstract Wikipedia should be organized in the page [[User:Dv103/Abstract articles architectures]]. Please come to contribute to the discussion, or to propose alternatives. [[User:Dv103|Dv103]] ([[User talk:Dv103|talk]]) 14:32, 11 May 2026 (UTC) == [[MediaWiki:Wikimedia-copyright-footer]] == The copyright message has a few issues, mainly that it does not address abstract content (which is not "text"), nor object labels (which are under CC0). Proposed text: "<nowiki> Text and abstract content are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License]; the labels of objects from [[f:|Wikifunctions]] are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ Creative Commons CC0 License]; additional terms may apply. See [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Terms_of_Use Terms of Use] for details. </nowiki>" Which, when rendered, looks like: Text and abstract content are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License]; the labels of objects from [[f:|Wikifunctions]] are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ Creative Commons CC0 License]; additional terms may apply. See [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Terms_of_Use Terms of Use] for details. The message is somewhat inspired by the current one and WF's. Thoughts? Thank you! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:30, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: As you probably imagine, this text is very tightly controlled by the Wikimedia Foundation's Legal department. I think the first port of call should be a discussion about why you might want to change things, rather than a rush to specific re-wordings, before approaching them for sign-off. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 14:28, 12 May 2026 (UTC) ::Well I briefly summarized my justification, my proposed text was just an idea for a starting point. Basically, the abstract content is not really "text", so the footer doesn't actually tell the reader what they're allowed to do with it, and I argue that the current wording implies that the labels are licensed under CC-BY-SA 4, when they aren't. I think a change is critical as otherwise we're not showing the reader a license, or, arguably, in the case of labels, showing users a license that ''does not apply'', which is a pretty bad thing. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:51, 12 May 2026 (UTC) == [[MediaWiki:AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions.json]] == I'd think we should add [[f:Z33068]] here. The function allows you to form a paragraph out of sentences and handles languages having different standards of whether to add a space between them, and adding it here would make finding it easier. I'm not sure what policy we want to have for the suggested functions, this idea might help formulate it. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:06, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :[[User:Jdforrester (WMF)]] tells me the page has been changed to [[Special:CommunityConfiguration/AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions]] on the telegram. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:25, 12 May 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: Yup, see the weekly update on [[f:Wikifunctions:Status_updates/2026-05-02|2026-05-02]]. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 16:35, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :I also believe Z33068 should be added to the list. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:25, 12 May 2026 (UTC) {{done}} see [[Special:Diff/7692]]. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 09:08, 20 May 2026 (UTC) == Abstract Wikipedia statistics site source code == https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/ is a very useful tool, but it doesn't seem to have anything pointing to the location of its source code. Is it closed-source or unfree? While I'm at it I feel I should suggest having language pages' paths formatted differently from how they are currently—at the moment it's <code>/languages/Toki%20Pona</code> when something like <code>/languages/tok</code> would be more suitable. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; : See [[:gitlab:toolforge-repos/abstract-data]]. Also pinging {{ping|DSantamaria-WMF|p=}} (thanks for the tool, by the way). [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 00:25, 13 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you. I think a link to that repository should be put in a footer somewhere on the website as I wouldn't have found that if not for you. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 02:30, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::{{ping|Theki}} For the record, I found that repo by searching for "abstract-data" on [[:toolhub:|Toolhub]]. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 03:34, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::Thanks for the feedback and the report, fixed both things, we have now the link to the repo in the side bar footer, and also the language codes are used in the URLs. Thanks! [[User:DSantamaria-WMF|DSantamaria-WMF]] ([[User talk:DSantamaria-WMF|talk]]) 11:46, 13 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Are you particularly attached to keeping country flag emojis next to the language names? Some consider it an [https://flagsarenotlanguages.com/blog anti-pattern]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 16:17, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I think the use of flags is not really harmful since this is not a ''language selector'', it is just a list of languages. Of course not every language has an associated flag, for example Latin, which does look a bit awkward, but it can't be helped. Maybe give languages without a flag a unique icon from Wikimedia Commons? e.g. <div style="display:inline-flex;align-items:center;border:1px solid #0002;border-radius:4px;gap:4px;padding:4px;">[[File:Toki pona.svg|16px]] Toki Pona</div> instead of <div style="display:inline-flex;align-items:center;border:1px solid #0002;border-radius:4px;gap:4px;padding:4px;"><span>🌐</span>Toki Pona</div>. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 16:37, 14 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::I thought I saw 🏛️ being used for Latin earlier. But of course, as far as the Unicode Consortium is concerned, [[Q65300415|🇬🇧]] doesn't mean '[[Q1680|English]]', no more than [[Q100587670|🏳️‍🌈]] means '[[Q1359130|Polari]]'; technically, it doesn't even mean '[[Q145|United Kingdom]]', just the letters 🇺 and 🇰 next to each other (which linguistically would indicate [[Q8798|Ukrainian]] in ISO 639, but these are 'regional indicator symbols'). [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 17:21, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::As seems (from this comment and also [[f:User_talk:DSantamaria-WMF#c-%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4-20260513063700-Country_flags_in_abstract-data|others' comments]]) that flags are a little bit controversial, I just removed them, IMHO it was just an aesthetic concept, I like the look and feel that flags bring to the language labels, but happy to remove them if make some people feel uncomfortable with the concept. [[User:DSantamaria-WMF|DSantamaria-WMF]] ([[User talk:DSantamaria-WMF|talk]]) 05:54, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Make it more user Friendly == Make it more user-friendly by adding drag-and-drop compenots and one click additions, and make it similar to a visual macro buidler. [[User:ChippyTechGH|ChippyTechGH]] ([[User talk:ChippyTechGH|talk]]) 01:00, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :Could you file something like this on [[phab:|phabricator]]? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:01, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Person infoboxes == Hi all, I've just created [[f:Z35167|infobox for person (Z35167)]]. All it can really do presently is display the name of the person in the chosen language and in the person's native language, but it's a good start. I started writing it as a composition but chose to switch to writing it in JavaScript instead, which ended up being less headache-inducing (managing a large list of strings to concatenate together is not fun, plus compositions bring lots of additional overhead). Unfortunately, this means that the actual ''useful'' parts of the infobox—the information about the person themself—is not really doable. I'd need to dereference the Wikidata property references to get their label in the requested language, but since they're references and I'm working with code, not compositions, I can't just call [[f:Z6822|fetch Wikidata property (Z6822)]] and be done with it. If there's a WikiLambda API to do this inside of the JS itself that would be great and would solve everything, but at the moment that alone is what's holding it back, or so it seems. I can get the actual ''values'' of statements just fine, though. If I am missing some amazing WikiLambda API function that will solve this problem for me by letting me dereference the PID, then please let me know because that would be great. If you want to look at an example of the infobox right meow, you can view [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/tok/Q317521 Q317521 in Toki Pona] and see how it states Musk's name in both Toki Pona ''and'' his native English name. COOL! My hope is that this can be made less barebones in the near future. Infoboxes are a great way to get quick information on a subject and can fill in the informational gaps in the presently sparse articles we have at the moment, all while staying in the user's requested language. Feedback is appreciated! &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 02:58, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :Thank you for this! I wonder if perhaps it would be better to create one "infobox" function and then have compositions call that, making wd retrival possible? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:38, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::Working on that at the moment, I think I've got it working but I'm hitting a ratelimit in the orchestrator so I don't know for sure. The main issue with it now is that the actual [[f:Z35175|infobox template (Z35175)]] wrapper was programmed in JS so as to not be a pain in the ass, so this means that it can only take in strings, HTML fragments, etc. so the retrieval of Wikidata stuff still needs to be done by the caller and is rather verbose (see [[f:Z35168|the main implementation]]). The niceties will come soon later once I know that it all works at a lower level, though. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 05:04, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::So the problem now seems to be that when [[f:Z29825|label of Wikidata property in language (Z29825)]] isn't being faulty, it's being incredibly slow. Considering retrieving Wikidata items from their references seems to take, like, four to five seconds, and we'll have tens of statements in these infoboxes, I don't see how the property names could be retrieved in a way that doesn't cause the orchestrator to time out or hit a ratelimit. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 06:01, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::I think I figured something out? I'm just going to try calling [[f:Z35036|fetch Wikidata property or parts (Z35036)]], it seems to be much faster for whatever reason. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 06:05, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::It works now, a little rough around the edges, also very slow, but I think I'm mostly happy with it. Of course it would be great if all you needed to provide to the template function to get a label-statement row was the property reference itself, but I'm too sleep-deprived to figure that out at the moment. I made five bespoke functions specifically for this infobox, more than I would like, but it's probably not ''that'' bad. I'm just hoping I didn't duplicate any functionality in trying to make the composition less verbose and repetitive. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 07:15, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #248 is out: A higher meaning == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-15|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we discuss functions creating language fragments, we present our latest news in Types, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 14:36, 15 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30536976 --> == Translations == Yes, this question is probably easily answerable through a Web search, but I thought I'd ask here anyways. I am unfortunately not bilingual... I know Toki Pona, but it's a constructed language. I'd love to be a polyglot of some sorts but that is a future thing. I've been trying to translate pages into tok, for funsies mostly. At any rate, I want to convert some of the un-translated pages, namely Feeglgeef's policy drafts, into ones that can be translated (and then translate them into Toki Pona of course). I think I have to be a translation administrator for this? Which is a process that I'd have to ''apply'' for, and I doubt I have the credentials to be accepted for such a role. Regardless, is there a way I can go about this without having to do it through someone else? I can probably easily find documentation on marking pages for translation but I don't know how much I'm actually capable of doing as just a regular user. Should I apply? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 14:15, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :Most of the process of preparing a page for translation can be done by any editor. See [[:mw:Help:Extension:Translate/Page translation example]]. :The step of marking a page or translation for the first time or after changes must be done by a translation administrator. :I recommend learning the <nowiki><translate> and <tvar></nowiki> syntax and using it on a few pages before applying for this permission. After you do it on a few pages, and you feel confident, and you want to do it more, you can ask for the permission. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 14:28, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::Just to confirm, did I mark up [[Special:Diff/8138|this page]] for translation properly? I thought to give the hatnote its own <code>&lt;translate&gt;</code> enclosure so as to exclude the indent and italicization from needing to be included in the translatable text. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:10, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::Mostly properly, but don't exclude <code><nowiki>''</nowiki></code> for italics from translation. It's generally a good idea to exclude complex markup from translation because it's hard for many people to type, and it usually stays the same in translation anyway. <code><nowiki>''</nowiki></code> for italics is different, however: it's very simple to type and familiar to most editors; italic letters are used differently in different languages, and in some languages they aren't used at all, so translators need the freedom to use them appropriately; this markup can also appear in the middle of a translation unit and not only in the ends. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 15:35, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Thank you for the guidance. Should the italics be included if they are used over the entire hatnote? I figure that placement of italics should be left up to the discretion of the translators, but the hatnote itself is meant to be entirely italicized, I would think irrespective of the language it's in. Is this the right idea or should they still be kept within the translation unit? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:45, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::::Yes, italics should be included in the translation unit if they are used over the entire hatnote. Some languages don't use italic writing at all, so it shouldn't be forced. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:36, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :I'd support a translation administrator request ;), for reasons below. I'm not sure why we need a seperate translation administrator right, or why we have to call it an "administrator" (deciding that a page could be translated is a much less important role than, say, page deletion, or blocking). We picked three of them (well, one of them went through the WMF, so we picked two), [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=pagetranslation&user=&page=&excludetempacct=1&wpdate=&tagfilter=&wpfilters%5B%5D=newusers&wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist they don't appear very active, though], only marking 9 times this month, zero (0) of which were for pages marked for the first time. Both community translation admins used their global history and rights to get the role and only stop by occasionally, so having one who ''actually'' edits here would be nice. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:06, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::This reply echos my philosophy of a sort of wiki-[[Q166005|xenophobia]] (the term xenophobia is probably too harsh, and I wouldn't consider myself one in real life, but it's the best word I can think of), I generally distrust users with a lot of global rights (both global sysop etc. and large amounts of local rights) who come make [[m:Metapedianism|metapedian]] contributions, not as people but to their ability to handle Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia as incredibly unique and technically complex projects. I apologize if it my opinions come off as rude or ungrateful, I do appreciate the work of our translation administrators. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:26, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::You don't bother me, it's fine. I think they definitely have a place, they can be useful and they usually are. Obviously local admins and what have you that earned their roles through the trust and reputation of the specific community they are in are going to occupy a more trusting position in my mind than a global sysop or global ''anything''. Specialized role members are good and healthy in the long term; I think we are giving these privileges to global users sparingly as the project is still in its infancy and as core contributors emerge and take up key positions we will have a more well-rounded and self-sustaining community with less global privileges needed to take up certain tasks. Wikifunctions probably needed some Foundation members or other staff to act as functioneers initially while the general community was still orienting themselves with WikiLambda and working on applying for the role, but now we have [[f:Special:ListUsers/functioneer|74(!) of them]] and the number of normal members using their specialized skills outnumbers those who were "grandfathered" in (for lack of a better term) or similar. The wiki is young—it just needs time. I myself have been considering applying for sysop privileges since they are obviously needed (there being exactly Zero of them at the moment); I've been weighing the pros and cons of such a commitment, it's obviously a lot to take up. I wish your sysop request went through, I think you would have made a great admin here. I'm unsure of what others think of my capabilities, I'm rather in-and-out around these social spaces so I don't know if there's much to go off of. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:55, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Totally agree, and I'd support a sysopship request as well, though I'm apparently not good at assessing what the community considers supportable in admin candidate ;). ::::Off-topic, but interestingly, the sysop toolset allows you to grant yourself translation adminship. I'm not sure if sysops are expected not to grant themselves the permissions (kind of like how on enwiki 'crats are expected not grant themselves any rights without discussion despite having the technical rights), but I did it to myself on WF because [https://www.wikifunctions.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=84940 another sysop had]. Additionally, the functioneer right [[Special:ListGroupRights#functioneer|exists on this wiki]], with the same rights on WF, despite all of them not doing anything on this wiki. I believe this is because, on the technical side, both AW and WF are powered by the same MediaWiki extension (Wikilambda), with one wiki set to a mode for abstract articles and another set to a mode for ZObjects. [https://dag.wikipedia.org/wiki/Di%C5%8B%27gahim:ListGroupRights#functioneer Checking the Dagbani Wikipedia] supports this theory. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:00, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::::It always depends on the local policy. For Wikifunctions it is: ''Administrators do not need to undergo another discussion to become translation administrators; they can self-grant the rights to their account if necessary. Temporary administrators are not allowed to self-grant permanent translation administrator rights.'' :::::The availability of the functioneer right is a bug, see [[phab:T407066]]. --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 19:36, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::If you don't consider yourself a xenophobe in real life, I would recommend not calling yourself that here, or anywhere really. Especially since it was the ideological capture during the 2010s of the Croatian-language Wikipedia [[w:hr:]] by actual xenophobes that was part of the impetus for Abstract Wikipedia according to [https://simia.net/wiki/Draft:_Collaborating_on_the_sum_of_all_knowledge_across_languages#A_look_on_some_south_Slavic_language_Wikipedias Denny's blog]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 22:10, 26 May 2026 (UTC) == Policy drafts == Hi all! I've written some draft policies and guidelines over the last few days. We're not a bureaucracy, so the point is not to set some rules but to kick off some discussions as to how our wiki will work. So far, I've created: * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability|a notability guideline]] * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy|a deletion policy]] I've written them as my opinion on what should happen, but I'm hoping to align them with community consensus as we discuss them more. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:44, 21 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #249 is out: Annual plan 2026-2027 == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-23|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we present you the current draft of objectives for Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia in the WMF Annual Plan 2026-2027, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 09:48, 25 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30536976 --> == To abstract Wikipedia or be the Abstract Wikipedia == There is a discussion happening about what the [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability|notability criteria]] for Abstract Wikipedia should be, and in trying to participate I've found my idea of Abstract Wikipedia is awfully abstract. Is Abstract Wikipedia supposed to abstract Wikipedia, as in abstracting information from existing articles on the language Wikipedias (barring new contributions), or is it supposed to become the Abstract Wikipedia, supporting collaboration across all languages like it's the language Wikipedia to end all language Wikipedias (allowing new contributions)? I thought the answer would be obvious, but the name Abstract Wikipedia is a bit ambiguous. Am I missing something? [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 02:16, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :I think ({{ping|DVrandecic (WMF)|p=?}}) the idea is (and I personally prefer) the latter. I believe that, given the fact that it's much easier to write a concrete article than an abstract article, and the fact that the community of potential future contributors on enwiki is skeptical ''at best'', we ultimately will never expand beyond the size of other wikis, but I see no problem with allowing volunteers to add information not on other wikis (it's probably not the most effective, but they're volunteers, beggars can't be choosers), as long as it's not vandalism, useless, or promotional slop. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:31, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] Abstract Wikipedia is a Wikipedia, where people can collaborate across languages on articles, which can then be used to fill gaps in the existing Wikipedias. Whereas I expect that current Wikipedia articles might be used as a convenient starting point for many of the articles in Abstract Wikipedia, this is more a consequence of Wikipedia being one of the best places to go to to find reliable knowledge, but that is not part of how it is supposed to work. So, this is not to abstract the existing Wikipedias, but to collaborate on an Abstract Wikipedia. At no point is this meant to replace existing Wikipedias. (Thanks to @[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] for the ping!) --[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]] ([[User talk:DVrandecic (WMF)|talk]]) 17:01, 27 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you, this makes a lot more sense now. [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 21:52, 27 May 2026 (UTC) == template suggestion == Some way to mock abstract syntax on talk and project pages, analogous to those in [[d:category:format Template]]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 15:21, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :Hmm. I agree. :Workshopping ideas for how it works: :* Invokation: <nowiki>{{Call|Z26039|{"Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1"}|{"Z1K1": "Z6091", "Z6091K1": "Q634"}|{"Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1"}|lang=en}}</nowiki> :** This could then be suplemented by helper templates: <nowiki>{{Call|Z26039|{{Wikidata item argument reference}}|{{Wikidata item reference|Q634}}|{{Language argument reference}}}}</nowiki> :* This would result in "[[f:Z26039|subject is instance of (string)]] (wikidata item reference, [[d:Q634|planet]], language)" :** Icons are missing in this example, I'm not sure if we can actually add them :Thoughts? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:04, 27 May 2026 (UTC) == Marking NLG Default text == Some NLG functions give default texts, like [[f:Z33420|Z33420]] will give text like "Paris ∈ {city}". sometimes in other languages the English text is show. Currently there is no visual clue that these texts are not normal text in the requested language. I propose we mark these text with color <span style="color:magenta;">Paris ∈ {city}</span> with something like <nowiki><span style="color:magenta;">Paris ∈ {city}</span></nowiki>. To have this configurable/maintainable this could be included in a function, called NLG default text or so, with a text as input an a text in color as output. The exact formatting like magenta color or gray background or something else can be discussed/decided later. To have it even more configurable on personal stylesheets it could use a class like <nowiki><span class="NLG Default text">Paris ∈ {city}</span></nowiki>. What do you think? Could somebody make such a function already? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 12:00, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :The are technically just monolingual texts in a language called "multiple languages". I threw a prototype together really quickly, [[f:Z35839]]. It will accept strings, monolingual texts, and html fragments as input, so you have to select which type you want. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:59, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::OK, thanks, I added it to [[f:Z26039]] and works as expected, see [https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Z26039?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z26039%22%2C%22Z26039K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q64%22%7D%2C%22Z26039K2%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q515%22%7D%2C%22Z26039K3%22%3A%22Z1555%22%7D here]. The test for the function with default text now fails because it now is in magenta color. That was to be expected. I will leave the tests unchanged if that is OK with you, as we might need to change the exact formatting. ::Is it OK to add this to other NLG functions that produce default output? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 15:59, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :::Sure, [[w:en:WP:Be bold|be bold]]! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:50, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Ratification of the deletion policy proposal? == I haven't seen any unresolved objections to my proposal for a [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy|policy for deletion]]. Does anybody have any issues, and, if not, is it ok to ratify as an actual policy? I intend to remove the draft template and replace it with a policy template unless anyone voices any objection within a week. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:55, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :Is it just me or does [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Reasons for deletion]] render blank with only number bullets without the actual text after ''1.'' or ''2.''? [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 07:13, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::I see text. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 07:49, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::I can see on my phone, but it goes blank on my laptop. What is the role of ''<nowiki><span class="anchor" id="1"></nowiki>''? [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 12:15, 30 May 2026 (UTC) 79uk125f0a8yi8h1qtt3gov5jz381bo 9213 9211 2026-05-30T13:49:33Z VIGNERON 163 /* Ratification of the deletion policy proposal? */ + 9213 wikitext text/x-wiki {{#ifexist:Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat/Header/{{USERLANGUAGE}}|{{/Header/{{USERLANGUAGE}}}}|{{/Header}}}} {{/Archives}} <!-- Add your discussion below this line --> == Why don't we just structure this with wikitemplates? == I feel like the project could be done a lot better by using templates kind of like how wikipedia does them. Just the entire thing is templates that can be rendered in many languages. So like [[Q106289265]] would have the content <nowiki>{{Z26039|Q7257}}</nowiki> and could even have some aliasing done across languages so it could be <nowiki>{{subject is|Q7257}}</nowiki>. Code would be editable with a regular visual editor or code editor. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:34, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :This is available in pages when Parsoid rendering is enabled. We don't use this becuase it doesn't make sense for constructing and editing massive articles. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC) ::How do you do parsoid rendering? And why wouldn't it make sense? With aliases and everything could work great. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:12, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :::I believe it is enabled by default. If you do have it on: {{#function:Z10000|you'll s|ee this}} [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:54, 30 March 2026 (UTC) :you may be interested in reading this old [[m:Abstract_Wikipedia/Google.org_Fellows_evaluation|Google report]]. [[User:BrokenSegue|BrokenSegue]] ([[User talk:BrokenSegue|talk]]) 14:32, 9 May 2026 (UTC) == Why the editing API doesn't work == {{tracked|T423542}} Immanuelle wrongly stated that there is no REST API for editing. [[#REST API for editing?|There is]]. However, it does not work when called from software outside Abstract Wikipedia. That is because there is no way to grant a bot password or OAuth customer the permission to edit abstract articles (<code>wikilambda-abstract-edit</code>) and create them (<code>wikilambda-abstract-create</code>), since no grant on [[Special:ListGrants]] includes either. Should this be fixed? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 01:57, 26 April 2026 (UTC) :Yes I think the rights should be added. I think the number of automated edits should be low at the moment as Abstract Wikipedia is still in an early phase and so far there is not much support for small languages and so many functions will maybe change to cover more languages. As automatic editing using a Bot Account requires an formal request it is no problem if the option exists. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 18:17, 26 April 2026 (UTC) :Sounds good to me. Could we add a bot section to [[Abstract Wikipedia:Requests for permissions]]? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:35, 5 May 2026 (UTC) ::[[Abstract_Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions#Bot]] ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 23:56, 5 May 2026 (UTC) == Q884 == The page [[Q884]] has inaccurate statements about the head of government and the head of state of South Korea. Part of what it returns in English is "Lee Ju-ho is the head of government of South Korea.Park Geun-hye is the head of state of South Korea." However, neither Lee Ju-ho nor Park Geun-hye currently have their respective roles mentioned here. How should these statements be turned into ones using the past tense? [[User:Intolerable situation|Intolerable situation]] ([[User talk:Intolerable situation|talk]]) 14:44, 30 April 2026 (UTC) :not currently possible :((((( [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:46, 30 April 2026 (UTC) :Feeglgeef is correct, past tense sentence generation is something we are sorely lacking at the moment. If you look at [[f:WF:Type proposals#Representing abstract content|Wikifunctions' type proposals]] you can see some initiatives that could hopefully mitigate this. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 13:49, 1 May 2026 (UTC) == Abstract Wikipedia should use a different mw-wiki-logo than Wikipedia for Vector 2010 skin == {{Tracked|T424781}} Hello friends. I've been asked to start a community conversation about this. I'd like to propose that Abstract Wikipedia create its own logo, so that folks visiting this wiki don't get it mixed up with Wikipedia. Even though this project is under the Wikipedia domain, I think it's pretty unique and it'd make sense to make sure it doesn't get mixed up with enwiki or other Wikipedias by newbies googling for Wikipedia articles. Thoughts? Thanks. [[User:Novem Linguae|Novem Linguae]] ([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]]) 12:02, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :Isn't there already one? Are we talking about a logo in a different context? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 12:25, 1 May 2026 (UTC) ::Looks like this is just for the Vector 2010 skin. [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia:Main_page?useskin=vector Example.] I'll edit this section and the ticket to clarify that. [[User:Novem Linguae|Novem Linguae]] ([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]]) 12:28, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :::Ah, thank you, I'd {{s}} this then. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 12:31, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :This has been raised before above in [[#Logo]], the same problem appears on Monobook. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 13:45, 1 May 2026 (UTC) ::Would you support using [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/static/images/mobile/copyright/abstractwiki-wordmark.svg the Vector 2022 logo] on Vector 2010 and Monobook? That'd be a simple technical solution. [[User:Novem Linguae|Novem Linguae]] ([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]]) 14:02, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :::Yes, I see no issue with using that for the moment. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 14:04, 1 May 2026 (UTC) == What would it take for AW to catch up to (English) Reasonator? Porting over functions? == The Wikidata tool [https://reasonator.toolforge.org Reasonator] already automatically creates several sentences in English describing human Wikidata items using [https://codeberg.org/magnusmanske/reasonator/commit/b506362c3c2e90b32de32708ec668eee49603cb0 auto_long_desc.js] under [https://codeberg.org/magnusmanske/reasonator/src/commit/a6ee9095c3accfb67845caf438ce83c98c19e38e/LICENSE a GPL 2.0 free software license] without using any large language model or other AI. Abstract Wikipedia, on the other hand, requires [[Help:How to create an article/en|a several step process just to create a lead sentence]]. Does Resonator have functions in [https://codeberg.org/magnusmanske/reasonator/src/commit/a6ee9095c3accfb67845caf438ce83c98c19e38e/public_html/auto_long_desc.js#L406 the English section of auto_long_desc.js] that Wikifunctions doesn't have at the moment? Is that what's preventing Abstract Wikipedia from auto-generating substantial text (at least in English) based off of Wikidata like Resonator does? Below is [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q1339&lang=en an example of what Resonator can generate from Wikidata] without needing human edits the way Abstract Wikipedia does. (Though I omitted some children for the sake of brevity.) <blockquote> '''Johann Sebastian Bach''' was a [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=696651 Saxe-Eisenach]-[https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=12548 Holy Roman Empire]-[https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=183 German] [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=36834 composer], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=765778 organist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=5371902 harpsichordist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=1259917 violinist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=899758 violist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=158852 conductor], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=1076502 choir director], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=691031 concertmaster], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=14915627 musicologist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=16145150 music educator], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=214970 virtuoso], and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=2251335 school teacher]. He was born on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1685-03-21 March 21, 1685] in [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=7070 Eisenach] to [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=309470 Johann Ambrosius Bach] and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=66671 Maria Elisabeth Lämmerhirt]. He studied at [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=1930161 St. Michael's School] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1702-04 April 1702]. His field of work included [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=8361 Baroque music] and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=9730 classical music]. He was [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=215793 chapelmaster] from [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1717-12 December 1717] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1723-04 April 1723] and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=641457 Thomaskantor] from [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1723 1723] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1750 1750]. He worked for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=117540 Collegium Musicum], for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=1230608 Saint Blaise], for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=61689 Leopold, Prince of Anhalt-Köthen], for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=61972 Johann Ernst III, Duke of Saxe-Weimar] from [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1703-01 January 1703] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1703-08 August 1703], for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=699668 Thomasschule zu Leipzig], and for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=798194 Bachkirche Arnstadt] from [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1703-08 August 1703] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1707 1707]. He married [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=57487 Maria Barbara Bach] on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1707-10-17 October 17, 1707] (married until on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1720-07-07 July 7, 1720] ) and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=57212 Anna Magdalena Bach] on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1721-12-03 December 3, 1721] (married until on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1750-07-28 July 28, 1750] ). His children include [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=15079141 Catharina Dorothea Bach], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=107277 Wilhelm Friedemann Bach], […] He died of [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=12202 stroke] on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1750-07-28 July 28, 1750] in [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=2079 Leipzig]. He was buried at [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=170402 St. Thomas Church]. </blockquote> [[User:Lovelano|Lovelano]] ([[User talk:Lovelano|talk]]) 18:41, 1 May 2026 (UTC) == Project scope == Might be a stupid question but what articles are/will be allowed on Abstract Wikipedia? How far is it meant to expand? The language Wikipedias have some differing policies, so might not be as simple as copying those. Personally I find the idea of creating an article for any and every Wikidata item really cool and a good ''baseline'' for what can have an article, but wouldn't ~120 million abstract articles become unwieldy? If the only requirement is that the article topic has a Wikidata item, then there are many interesting possibilities; one could write about individual dates, Wikidata test items, even Wikimedia disambiguation pages. Have not found where this is explained, if anywhere. This may be up to common sense, but trouble is, couldn't one create an encyclopedically meaningful article on just about anything? Pretty important policy not to have if it's undecided, though is not a problem at the moment. Just wondering. [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 23:36, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :This isn't a stupid question and I don't think this is entirely settled. Have you seen [[Abstract Wikipedia:About]]? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 23:57, 1 May 2026 (UTC) ::Ah, I forgot about that page. So it is meant to abstract information from existing Wikipedia articles? Makes sense, though it still raises the question of creating new articles. [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 00:41, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::At this juncture, I don't think anyone has in mind drafting anything new here as such: this is just responding to existing Wikidata items and the possibility of new Wikipedia articles drafted from them, using Wikifunctions. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 00:51, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :I don't think we ever get any article an existing wiki does not have. Even if abstract content creation gets as fast as reasonably possible, it will never beat out typing text, so we will never catch up with, say, enwiki or eswiki. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:10, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::It's also a question of policy. There are topics about which things could be said, but which wouldn't meet the baseline notability or other criteria of the big monolingual wikis. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:22, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::This is true, if we keep [[d:]]'s notability policy (which seems like the most natural one) then there are many subjects that we theoretically can talk about that don't meet the [[w:WP:GNG|GNG]] and similar guidelines. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:25, 2 May 2026 (UTC) == How many articles in how many languages are actually fully available without errors == This is a response to the call in [[:f:Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-02]]. The most important thing to count is already listed there: '''How many articles in how many languages are actually fully available without errors?''' It should be not just a count, but a list: I want to see which articles are readable in which languages; which articles are readable in some languages, but not others (which ones?); which articles are not readable in any language; etc. An even more relevant, but much harder to measure thing is how many of those articles are actually more useful than not having an article at all. There is no article about Boston in many languages, but [[Q100]], which currently says "Boston is the capital of Massachusetts.Boston is the largest city of Massachusetts." is not significantly more useful than nothing at all even if it's fully rendered in another language in which there is no concrete article about it. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 12:12, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :Perhaps this should have been on the talk page of that status update instead of the project chat? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:25, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::The status update is about two projects and so I can understand if there are comments here. What do you think about creating a status update overview page with links to the status updates in Abstract Wikipedia to offer the possibility to discuss the status updates and especially things related to Abstract Wikipedia there. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 18:57, 4 May 2026 (UTC) :::I don't think that's necessary. You can just include your abstractwiki (as in, the live wiki, not the project) related comments on the page on [[f:]], or, if for some reason that's not possible, as a reply to the newsletter announcement here. The point is, the project chat is crowded enough with topics as it is, ideally it should be more focussed on general matters of discussion than close-ended enquiries about topics that have their own talk page. I find Amire80's use of a new == heading here to be improper. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:32, 4 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #246 is out: Request for input: what should we count for Abstract Wikipedia == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-02|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we ask you what would be the relevant metrics for Abstract Wikipedia, we discuss our latest news on Composition Language v2, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 12:21, 2 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30325620 --> == Spaces between sentences, another attempt == [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat#Extra spaces between sentences|A month ago]], @[[User:内存溢出的猫|内存溢出的猫]]<ref group="spaces3>According to Google Translate, it's pronounced "Nèicún yìchū de māo". Please correct me if it's wrong. When I write, I want to know how are things that I write pronounced aloud, and very unfortunately, I never learned to read Chinese characters, and even if I did, most English speakers probably didn't. Come to think of it, is there a function that ''reliably'' transliterates Chinese characters?</ref> That discussion doesn't seem to have yielded any fixes or meaningful discussions, at least not that I can see. [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat#Spaces between sentences|Two weeks ago]], I tried to bring up a similar topic, but that discussion somehow got derailed and also didn't yield anything useful. Now, the problem looks differently, but it's still a problem. When I look at [[Q10251]], for example, what I see is four sentences that ''appear'' with ''no'' spaces between them. Not one, not two—none at all. It looks like this: :Plasma is a fundamental state of matter.Plasma is a classical state of matter.A plasma is a gas.A plasma is a matter. Note that I emphasized ''appear'': When I see them rendered on the screen, they have no spaces between them. In the HTML, however, they are represented as four <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>s, and their inline positioning is handled by CSS. This means, for example, that if I copy and paste them, I don't get a long string with no spaces after full stops, but four sentences with a single line break after each full stop: <poem> Plasma is a fundamental state of matter. Plasma is a classical state of matter. A plasma is a gas. A plasma is a matter. </poem> This is not how it is supposed to be done. <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>s are supposed to be used for block elements and not hacked into appearing as if they are inline (also known as phrasing). Spaces between sentences are supposed to be real characters rather than HTML and CSS tricks, they may be different in different languages, and in some languages they may be nothing at all. I hope that the definition of the problem is clear. <references group="spaces3"></references> [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 12:49, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :Hi, have a look at it [[Special:PermanentLink/7132|now]]. Does this match your expectations? I think it's not rendering right now for whatever reason, but there are other examples of it being done this way that you can see: [[Q241691]]. The article renders properly in both English (spaces between sentences) and Japanese (no spaces at all). : :'''English:''' :<blockquote>Programmed Data Processor is a computer model series by Digital Equipment Corporation. PDP-8 is a Programmed Data Processor.</blockquote> :'''Japanese:''' :<blockquote>PDPシリーズはディジタル・イクイップメント・コーポレーションによるコンピュータ・モデル・シリーズである。PDP-8はPDPシリーズである。</blockquote> : :I have some, err, strong opinions about [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]]'s 「Abstract Wikipedia Editor」 tool, which is the predominant cause for all of these very janky and poorly-laid-out articles that you see. This is not how an article ought to be written on Abstract Wikipedia, and I and other editors are aware of this. If you see these problems, please do fix them! The wiki will be all the better for it. : :In the absence of consensus on such things as these (and awaiting any official policy pages) I have written [[f:User:Theki/best practices]] on my Wikifunctions userpage. You are welcome to read it if you wish. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:20, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::The output of [[Q241691]] looks OK to me in this regard. How was it done? ::[[Q10251]] gives me an error. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:10, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::WikiLambda is doing WikiLambda things. This WASI time limit error happens intermittently on Abstract Wikipedia articles and it usually goes away after a short while. The only thing is that it doesn't really seem like purging these articles does anything to force the orchestrator to retry its evaluation so the article might not render that paragraph until someone comes in and pokes at it by editing it somehow. ::: :::The working article uses the [[f:Z33068|''paragraph from sentences'']] function to lay out its individual sentence content. This function automatically handles converting any and all text-like objects (strings, HTML fragments, and monolingual text) to a consistent form, so sentence fragments can all be supplied verbatim to its list input. When the function is putting the sentences together it defaults to using a single space to separate them, but first checks if the requested language is in the [[f:Z33984|''languages without spaces between sentences'']] list. If it is, it doesn't add spaces at all, and just concatenates the sentences normally. I hope this explanation makes sense. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 18:19, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::::It makes some sense, but earlier, you suggested: "If you see these problems, please do fix them", and I'm not entirely sure how to do it. How would I fix it in [[Q100]], for example? [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 19:41, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::::In this case you would do the following: :::::# At the bottom, click the plus and then 「Add empty fragment」. :::::# Set the function to [[f:Z33068]], as mentioned earlier. :::::# Now go through each sentence fragment, find the innermost sentence-generation function, click on the three dots, and copy it. Do not copy the calls to [[f:Z29749]] or similar, these are not necessary. :::::# Go to the ''paragraph with sentences'' function call and add an element to the list. :::::# Click on the three dots next to the new element, and paste in the earlier sentence fragment. :::::# You can now delete the original fragment and repeat the process in the same list for the one after it. :::::&mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 19:46, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Theki|Theki]] I intend on fixing it, I recently made an attempt but the suggested fixes made problems worse. Do you have any practical suggestions of how to structure the templates? I will try to implement them when I have more time. ::Also your name is very confusing, are you in the process of getting it changed wiki-wide? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:36, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::Um, are you referring to my signature not matching my wiki username? I have considered for a long time changing it from ''theki'', but I don't feel like putting in the effort when it seems to be perfectly ignorable for most people. The user 「''Rae''」 can't be usurped because they made, like, two or three articles on the Persian Wikipedia two decades ago or something, I don't know. If that weren't the case I would be User:Rae right now but after that failed to go through I just decided to stop bothering. Maybe at some point I'll come up with a username I'm happy with keeping for the foreseeable future but I have other concerns at the moment. :::Could you explain how your attempted fixes 「made problems worse」? Presently I side with Feeglgeef's sentiments and prefer to wait for abstract content to actually be feasible to make on a reasonably descriptive scale (see: the type proposals) before I go around making articles willy-nilly, which is what AWE has been doing—making a bunch of pretty low-quality articles on a massive scale when it probably ''really'' would have been better to, err, hold off on that. :::And I honestly know very little about the actual workings of your editor, I don't really use it nor am I familiar with its template syntax or whatever it may use, so I'm going to look over how it actually works and then get back to you on that. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 23:28, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Using this [[f:Z33068]] made things worse [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 00:44, 3 May 2026 (UTC) :::::That did not go through correctly but I do not think we have a proper thing for it. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 00:45, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::What? Could you elaborate? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 01:00, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::{{ping|Immanuelle}} I checked. Your issue is that your editor is not providing the article language to Z33068K2; that is, the ''paragraph from sentences'' function has a second argument, and your editor was omitting it. If you properly specify it, it will work. Please, next time, actually tell me what went wrong instead of going quiet and forcing me to look after it myself. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:06, 4 May 2026 (UTC) :I avoid [[f:Z33068]] for now, because executing a whole paragraph in a single call would often time out. So my current alternative is inserting [[f:Z35672]] between sentences. Fairly clunky, but it works... --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 06:08, 28 May 2026 (UTC) ::Can you categorize the talk pages of articles you're doing that with? It has major accessibility concerns for our friends using screen readers, so it'd be nice to be able to find those with issues when were able to fix the calls [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:50, 28 May 2026 (UTC) :::I think the new tool can show us this (via dumps). For example, here are the uses of 'paragraph': https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/zid/Z32123 --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 23:07, 28 May 2026 (UTC) ::::There's more than one way to not use spaces correctly and more than one way to use spaces correctly, this wouldn't catch all of them. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:13, 28 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I'm not totally sure what you want to track, but I'm confident that this will find all my uses. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 02:10, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::::I think it slipped past everyone's notice, but I made a template for linking to that sort of information @ [[Template:Zd|<nowiki>{{</nowiki>zd<nowiki>}}</nowiki>]]. {{zd|Z35672|sentence separator}} <span style="font-size:smaller;opacity:0.8">(I don't think the database dumps have noticed the function you're using yet, so it's a 404 at the moment.)</span> &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 01:09, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Most used fragments == [[:f:Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-02|The latest status update]] lists the most used fragments: "[[:f:Z32123]] with 1452, followed by [[:f:Z27868]] with 736 and [[:f:Z29749]] with 650)". How was this calculated? [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 13:44, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :Again, this should definitely have been on the talk page for that status update. This isn't the everything page, it should be used for discussion relating to the wiki. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:26, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::It's not a question just about the status update, even if it was prompted by it. It's a question about Abstract Wikipedia that can be relevant beyond the status update. ::Stop policing how people use discussion pages without a particularly good reason. If you don't have an answer to the actual question, don't write anything. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 19:38, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::I have to agree with Feeglgeef that this would be better raised on the status update's talk page itself. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 19:42, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::I'm "policing" which discussion pages are being used for the same reason different discussion spaces exist in the first place. And your distinction between "just about" and "prompted by" is irrelevant. If I want to ask someone how they did something, I would ask them first, not go to a general discussion board. This is still the project ''chat'', not a Q&A zone. {{ping|DVrandecic (WMF)|p=,}} can you please answer the question? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:22, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :I have a local script that I have run on a local copy. Nothing more complicated than that. Could also be very wrong -- the script hasn't been peer-reviewed or anything. --[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]] ([[User talk:DVrandecic (WMF)|talk]]) 08:54, 4 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thanks, @[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]]. Can you share the code, please? I'll be happy to review it. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 15:30, 4 May 2026 (UTC) ==Wiktionary integration== I was trying out a few functions recently, such as [https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z27243 the new superlative function], and I noticed that ''every adjective'' has to be a Wikidata item. For example, I couldn't type in the inputs "Bugatti Veyron", "fast", "Earth" because "fast" as an adjective is not a Wikidata item. This doesn't really make sense, given that Wiktionary already has the word for "fast" and its superlative form in many different languages. Would it be possible to integrate Wiktionary into the function, so the user can type an adjective or verb from Wiktionary instead of having to deal with Wikidata (which consists almost entirely of nouns)? [[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] ([[User talk:Somepinkdude|talk]]) 16:49, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :No, sadly. I would try "speed" as the adjective, though, you have to use abstract qualities instead of concrete English terms. [[File:Wikifunctions Superlative speed example.png|thumb|Here's an example of the word being used.]] [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:02, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :Wikidata has standard items as well as lexeme data, so if anything, we should try to integrate those. E.g. [[:d:Lexeme:L1029]]. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 19:48, 6 May 2026 (UTC) ::I tried this, and it gave "Bugatti Veyron is the speedest car on Earth", which is laughably bad. The problem is that Wikidata does not "know" what the superlative form is, while Wiktionary does. Speed is a fairly common descriptor, but what about less common adjectives which aren't on Wikidata? Will there need to be a bot to copy all of this information from Wiktionary? [[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] ([[User talk:Somepinkdude|talk]]) 22:14, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :::I'm not suggesting that the functionality works <em>now</em>, but that we need to integrate the funcationality. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 22:17, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :::Well, no, the superlative form is chosen by [[f:Z12203]]. I think there's a bug with the English implementation that calls that function wrong. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:19, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] I did find the item {{Q|Q19807466}} which was linked to a concept database's entry for "fast"; I have at least linked it to the English lexeme "fast" and will try to add more links at a better hour. [[User:Mahir256|Mahir256]] ([[User talk:Mahir256|talk]]) 04:18, 7 May 2026 (UTC) == Showcase == I was wondering if there's a curated list of decent articles to learn by example here on Abstract Wikipedia? [[User:Fgnievinski|Fgnievinski]] ([[User talk:Fgnievinski|talk]]) 02:02, 8 May 2026 (UTC) :Unfortunately not, and, honestly, I wouldn't recommend article creation at the moment, it's likely to need significant refactoring as the way we represent abstract content changes, but, I can point you to [[Q668]] as a reasonably good example at the moment. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:39, 8 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you. "308 languages" blew my mind – well done! [[User:Fgnievinski|Fgnievinski]] ([[User talk:Fgnievinski|talk]]) 02:54, 8 May 2026 (UTC) :::308 is the number of ''concrete'' Wikipedias in which a manually-written article about India is available. :::The abstract article renders for me in English as "India is a country in Asia. India is a republic. New Delhi is the capital of India. India is the most populous country in world." Switching to another language to get rendered as an abstract article is done by typing the language's name in the box above the rendered text. I tried French, German, and Dutch, and got errors in all of them. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 03:12, 8 May 2026 (UTC) ::::So it goes. The paragraph has quite a lot of distinct sentence generation functions, all of which of course have to be implemented in the target language. This will be rounded out once we're able to more effectively generalize linguistic content. I view these functions as sort of patchy temporary solutions to the sentence generation problem while we figure out something more robust, which I hope is soon to come. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 04:15, 8 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #247 is out: References from Wikidata now available == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-08|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we announce that is now possible to pass references in Wikidata statements, we introduce the [https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/ Abstract Data dashboard], we report you on the presentation about Abstract Wikipedia at WikiCon Australia, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Also, we remind you that if you have questions or ideas to discuss, the next '''Volunteers' Corner''' will be held on '''[https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1778520600 May 11, at 17:30 UTC]''' ([https://meet.google.com/xuy-njxh-rkw link to the meeting]). Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 11:16, 8 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30325620 --> == about the usage of Z33068 == The use of [[f:Z33068]] (en: paragraph from sentences) <s>always</s> most of the time results in the error "Reached time limit in orchestrator." So should it be used at all for now, temporarily? Or maybe there are already some tickets about this that I am not aware of? -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 18:23, 10 May 2026 (UTC) :It previously worked, so I'm hoping whatever the issue is will be fixed soon. The current state of the wiki makes [[m:Immediatism|immediatism]] an illogical philosophy to have at the moment, in my opinion. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:16, 10 May 2026 (UTC) ::This issue seems to no longer exist, you might need to clear the cache by making a dummy edit on affected articles. I implemented the function in Python (instead of composition), which has increased the speed by about 2000 ms. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 04:31, 11 May 2026 (UTC) :::Seems like working. Thank you. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 19:06, 11 May 2026 (UTC) == Manual of Style == I've created a [[Abstract Wikipedia:Manual of Style|draft for a Manual of Style]]. Please feel free to comment on or make bold edits to the page. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:29, 11 May 2026 (UTC) :Thank you! That’s great and I’ll look at it more soon. I’m still taking a bit of a wikibreak. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:32, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :Is there anything I've written [[f:User:Theki/best_practices#Abstract_Wikipedia|here]] that you think would make for a good technical section of the page? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 00:04, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::I've added some of them. Thank you for your list of best practices by the way, I generally agree with them (I can't endorse connecting WD items currently in hope of a better technical solution, but otherwise I do). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 00:58, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Proposals on the architecture of Abstract Content rendering == Starting from a discussion born on the Wikifunctions Telegram chat, I've explained two different proposals on how the NLG on Abstract Wikipedia should be organized in the page [[User:Dv103/Abstract articles architectures]]. Please come to contribute to the discussion, or to propose alternatives. [[User:Dv103|Dv103]] ([[User talk:Dv103|talk]]) 14:32, 11 May 2026 (UTC) == [[MediaWiki:Wikimedia-copyright-footer]] == The copyright message has a few issues, mainly that it does not address abstract content (which is not "text"), nor object labels (which are under CC0). Proposed text: "<nowiki> Text and abstract content are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License]; the labels of objects from [[f:|Wikifunctions]] are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ Creative Commons CC0 License]; additional terms may apply. See [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Terms_of_Use Terms of Use] for details. </nowiki>" Which, when rendered, looks like: Text and abstract content are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License]; the labels of objects from [[f:|Wikifunctions]] are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ Creative Commons CC0 License]; additional terms may apply. See [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Terms_of_Use Terms of Use] for details. The message is somewhat inspired by the current one and WF's. Thoughts? Thank you! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:30, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: As you probably imagine, this text is very tightly controlled by the Wikimedia Foundation's Legal department. I think the first port of call should be a discussion about why you might want to change things, rather than a rush to specific re-wordings, before approaching them for sign-off. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 14:28, 12 May 2026 (UTC) ::Well I briefly summarized my justification, my proposed text was just an idea for a starting point. Basically, the abstract content is not really "text", so the footer doesn't actually tell the reader what they're allowed to do with it, and I argue that the current wording implies that the labels are licensed under CC-BY-SA 4, when they aren't. I think a change is critical as otherwise we're not showing the reader a license, or, arguably, in the case of labels, showing users a license that ''does not apply'', which is a pretty bad thing. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:51, 12 May 2026 (UTC) == [[MediaWiki:AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions.json]] == I'd think we should add [[f:Z33068]] here. The function allows you to form a paragraph out of sentences and handles languages having different standards of whether to add a space between them, and adding it here would make finding it easier. I'm not sure what policy we want to have for the suggested functions, this idea might help formulate it. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:06, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :[[User:Jdforrester (WMF)]] tells me the page has been changed to [[Special:CommunityConfiguration/AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions]] on the telegram. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:25, 12 May 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: Yup, see the weekly update on [[f:Wikifunctions:Status_updates/2026-05-02|2026-05-02]]. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 16:35, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :I also believe Z33068 should be added to the list. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:25, 12 May 2026 (UTC) {{done}} see [[Special:Diff/7692]]. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 09:08, 20 May 2026 (UTC) == Abstract Wikipedia statistics site source code == https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/ is a very useful tool, but it doesn't seem to have anything pointing to the location of its source code. Is it closed-source or unfree? While I'm at it I feel I should suggest having language pages' paths formatted differently from how they are currently—at the moment it's <code>/languages/Toki%20Pona</code> when something like <code>/languages/tok</code> would be more suitable. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; : See [[:gitlab:toolforge-repos/abstract-data]]. Also pinging {{ping|DSantamaria-WMF|p=}} (thanks for the tool, by the way). [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 00:25, 13 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you. I think a link to that repository should be put in a footer somewhere on the website as I wouldn't have found that if not for you. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 02:30, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::{{ping|Theki}} For the record, I found that repo by searching for "abstract-data" on [[:toolhub:|Toolhub]]. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 03:34, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::Thanks for the feedback and the report, fixed both things, we have now the link to the repo in the side bar footer, and also the language codes are used in the URLs. Thanks! [[User:DSantamaria-WMF|DSantamaria-WMF]] ([[User talk:DSantamaria-WMF|talk]]) 11:46, 13 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Are you particularly attached to keeping country flag emojis next to the language names? Some consider it an [https://flagsarenotlanguages.com/blog anti-pattern]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 16:17, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I think the use of flags is not really harmful since this is not a ''language selector'', it is just a list of languages. Of course not every language has an associated flag, for example Latin, which does look a bit awkward, but it can't be helped. Maybe give languages without a flag a unique icon from Wikimedia Commons? e.g. <div style="display:inline-flex;align-items:center;border:1px solid #0002;border-radius:4px;gap:4px;padding:4px;">[[File:Toki pona.svg|16px]] Toki Pona</div> instead of <div style="display:inline-flex;align-items:center;border:1px solid #0002;border-radius:4px;gap:4px;padding:4px;"><span>🌐</span>Toki Pona</div>. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 16:37, 14 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::I thought I saw 🏛️ being used for Latin earlier. But of course, as far as the Unicode Consortium is concerned, [[Q65300415|🇬🇧]] doesn't mean '[[Q1680|English]]', no more than [[Q100587670|🏳️‍🌈]] means '[[Q1359130|Polari]]'; technically, it doesn't even mean '[[Q145|United Kingdom]]', just the letters 🇺 and 🇰 next to each other (which linguistically would indicate [[Q8798|Ukrainian]] in ISO 639, but these are 'regional indicator symbols'). [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 17:21, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::As seems (from this comment and also [[f:User_talk:DSantamaria-WMF#c-%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4-20260513063700-Country_flags_in_abstract-data|others' comments]]) that flags are a little bit controversial, I just removed them, IMHO it was just an aesthetic concept, I like the look and feel that flags bring to the language labels, but happy to remove them if make some people feel uncomfortable with the concept. [[User:DSantamaria-WMF|DSantamaria-WMF]] ([[User talk:DSantamaria-WMF|talk]]) 05:54, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Make it more user Friendly == Make it more user-friendly by adding drag-and-drop compenots and one click additions, and make it similar to a visual macro buidler. [[User:ChippyTechGH|ChippyTechGH]] ([[User talk:ChippyTechGH|talk]]) 01:00, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :Could you file something like this on [[phab:|phabricator]]? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:01, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Person infoboxes == Hi all, I've just created [[f:Z35167|infobox for person (Z35167)]]. All it can really do presently is display the name of the person in the chosen language and in the person's native language, but it's a good start. I started writing it as a composition but chose to switch to writing it in JavaScript instead, which ended up being less headache-inducing (managing a large list of strings to concatenate together is not fun, plus compositions bring lots of additional overhead). Unfortunately, this means that the actual ''useful'' parts of the infobox—the information about the person themself—is not really doable. I'd need to dereference the Wikidata property references to get their label in the requested language, but since they're references and I'm working with code, not compositions, I can't just call [[f:Z6822|fetch Wikidata property (Z6822)]] and be done with it. If there's a WikiLambda API to do this inside of the JS itself that would be great and would solve everything, but at the moment that alone is what's holding it back, or so it seems. I can get the actual ''values'' of statements just fine, though. If I am missing some amazing WikiLambda API function that will solve this problem for me by letting me dereference the PID, then please let me know because that would be great. If you want to look at an example of the infobox right meow, you can view [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/tok/Q317521 Q317521 in Toki Pona] and see how it states Musk's name in both Toki Pona ''and'' his native English name. COOL! My hope is that this can be made less barebones in the near future. Infoboxes are a great way to get quick information on a subject and can fill in the informational gaps in the presently sparse articles we have at the moment, all while staying in the user's requested language. Feedback is appreciated! &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 02:58, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :Thank you for this! I wonder if perhaps it would be better to create one "infobox" function and then have compositions call that, making wd retrival possible? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:38, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::Working on that at the moment, I think I've got it working but I'm hitting a ratelimit in the orchestrator so I don't know for sure. The main issue with it now is that the actual [[f:Z35175|infobox template (Z35175)]] wrapper was programmed in JS so as to not be a pain in the ass, so this means that it can only take in strings, HTML fragments, etc. so the retrieval of Wikidata stuff still needs to be done by the caller and is rather verbose (see [[f:Z35168|the main implementation]]). The niceties will come soon later once I know that it all works at a lower level, though. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 05:04, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::So the problem now seems to be that when [[f:Z29825|label of Wikidata property in language (Z29825)]] isn't being faulty, it's being incredibly slow. Considering retrieving Wikidata items from their references seems to take, like, four to five seconds, and we'll have tens of statements in these infoboxes, I don't see how the property names could be retrieved in a way that doesn't cause the orchestrator to time out or hit a ratelimit. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 06:01, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::I think I figured something out? I'm just going to try calling [[f:Z35036|fetch Wikidata property or parts (Z35036)]], it seems to be much faster for whatever reason. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 06:05, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::It works now, a little rough around the edges, also very slow, but I think I'm mostly happy with it. Of course it would be great if all you needed to provide to the template function to get a label-statement row was the property reference itself, but I'm too sleep-deprived to figure that out at the moment. I made five bespoke functions specifically for this infobox, more than I would like, but it's probably not ''that'' bad. I'm just hoping I didn't duplicate any functionality in trying to make the composition less verbose and repetitive. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 07:15, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #248 is out: A higher meaning == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-15|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we discuss functions creating language fragments, we present our latest news in Types, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 14:36, 15 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30536976 --> == Translations == Yes, this question is probably easily answerable through a Web search, but I thought I'd ask here anyways. I am unfortunately not bilingual... I know Toki Pona, but it's a constructed language. I'd love to be a polyglot of some sorts but that is a future thing. I've been trying to translate pages into tok, for funsies mostly. At any rate, I want to convert some of the un-translated pages, namely Feeglgeef's policy drafts, into ones that can be translated (and then translate them into Toki Pona of course). I think I have to be a translation administrator for this? Which is a process that I'd have to ''apply'' for, and I doubt I have the credentials to be accepted for such a role. Regardless, is there a way I can go about this without having to do it through someone else? I can probably easily find documentation on marking pages for translation but I don't know how much I'm actually capable of doing as just a regular user. Should I apply? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 14:15, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :Most of the process of preparing a page for translation can be done by any editor. See [[:mw:Help:Extension:Translate/Page translation example]]. :The step of marking a page or translation for the first time or after changes must be done by a translation administrator. :I recommend learning the <nowiki><translate> and <tvar></nowiki> syntax and using it on a few pages before applying for this permission. After you do it on a few pages, and you feel confident, and you want to do it more, you can ask for the permission. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 14:28, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::Just to confirm, did I mark up [[Special:Diff/8138|this page]] for translation properly? I thought to give the hatnote its own <code>&lt;translate&gt;</code> enclosure so as to exclude the indent and italicization from needing to be included in the translatable text. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:10, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::Mostly properly, but don't exclude <code><nowiki>''</nowiki></code> for italics from translation. It's generally a good idea to exclude complex markup from translation because it's hard for many people to type, and it usually stays the same in translation anyway. <code><nowiki>''</nowiki></code> for italics is different, however: it's very simple to type and familiar to most editors; italic letters are used differently in different languages, and in some languages they aren't used at all, so translators need the freedom to use them appropriately; this markup can also appear in the middle of a translation unit and not only in the ends. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 15:35, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Thank you for the guidance. Should the italics be included if they are used over the entire hatnote? I figure that placement of italics should be left up to the discretion of the translators, but the hatnote itself is meant to be entirely italicized, I would think irrespective of the language it's in. Is this the right idea or should they still be kept within the translation unit? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:45, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::::Yes, italics should be included in the translation unit if they are used over the entire hatnote. Some languages don't use italic writing at all, so it shouldn't be forced. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:36, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :I'd support a translation administrator request ;), for reasons below. I'm not sure why we need a seperate translation administrator right, or why we have to call it an "administrator" (deciding that a page could be translated is a much less important role than, say, page deletion, or blocking). We picked three of them (well, one of them went through the WMF, so we picked two), [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=pagetranslation&user=&page=&excludetempacct=1&wpdate=&tagfilter=&wpfilters%5B%5D=newusers&wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist they don't appear very active, though], only marking 9 times this month, zero (0) of which were for pages marked for the first time. Both community translation admins used their global history and rights to get the role and only stop by occasionally, so having one who ''actually'' edits here would be nice. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:06, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::This reply echos my philosophy of a sort of wiki-[[Q166005|xenophobia]] (the term xenophobia is probably too harsh, and I wouldn't consider myself one in real life, but it's the best word I can think of), I generally distrust users with a lot of global rights (both global sysop etc. and large amounts of local rights) who come make [[m:Metapedianism|metapedian]] contributions, not as people but to their ability to handle Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia as incredibly unique and technically complex projects. I apologize if it my opinions come off as rude or ungrateful, I do appreciate the work of our translation administrators. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:26, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::You don't bother me, it's fine. I think they definitely have a place, they can be useful and they usually are. Obviously local admins and what have you that earned their roles through the trust and reputation of the specific community they are in are going to occupy a more trusting position in my mind than a global sysop or global ''anything''. Specialized role members are good and healthy in the long term; I think we are giving these privileges to global users sparingly as the project is still in its infancy and as core contributors emerge and take up key positions we will have a more well-rounded and self-sustaining community with less global privileges needed to take up certain tasks. Wikifunctions probably needed some Foundation members or other staff to act as functioneers initially while the general community was still orienting themselves with WikiLambda and working on applying for the role, but now we have [[f:Special:ListUsers/functioneer|74(!) of them]] and the number of normal members using their specialized skills outnumbers those who were "grandfathered" in (for lack of a better term) or similar. The wiki is young—it just needs time. I myself have been considering applying for sysop privileges since they are obviously needed (there being exactly Zero of them at the moment); I've been weighing the pros and cons of such a commitment, it's obviously a lot to take up. I wish your sysop request went through, I think you would have made a great admin here. I'm unsure of what others think of my capabilities, I'm rather in-and-out around these social spaces so I don't know if there's much to go off of. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:55, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Totally agree, and I'd support a sysopship request as well, though I'm apparently not good at assessing what the community considers supportable in admin candidate ;). ::::Off-topic, but interestingly, the sysop toolset allows you to grant yourself translation adminship. I'm not sure if sysops are expected not to grant themselves the permissions (kind of like how on enwiki 'crats are expected not grant themselves any rights without discussion despite having the technical rights), but I did it to myself on WF because [https://www.wikifunctions.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=84940 another sysop had]. Additionally, the functioneer right [[Special:ListGroupRights#functioneer|exists on this wiki]], with the same rights on WF, despite all of them not doing anything on this wiki. I believe this is because, on the technical side, both AW and WF are powered by the same MediaWiki extension (Wikilambda), with one wiki set to a mode for abstract articles and another set to a mode for ZObjects. [https://dag.wikipedia.org/wiki/Di%C5%8B%27gahim:ListGroupRights#functioneer Checking the Dagbani Wikipedia] supports this theory. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:00, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::::It always depends on the local policy. For Wikifunctions it is: ''Administrators do not need to undergo another discussion to become translation administrators; they can self-grant the rights to their account if necessary. Temporary administrators are not allowed to self-grant permanent translation administrator rights.'' :::::The availability of the functioneer right is a bug, see [[phab:T407066]]. --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 19:36, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::If you don't consider yourself a xenophobe in real life, I would recommend not calling yourself that here, or anywhere really. Especially since it was the ideological capture during the 2010s of the Croatian-language Wikipedia [[w:hr:]] by actual xenophobes that was part of the impetus for Abstract Wikipedia according to [https://simia.net/wiki/Draft:_Collaborating_on_the_sum_of_all_knowledge_across_languages#A_look_on_some_south_Slavic_language_Wikipedias Denny's blog]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 22:10, 26 May 2026 (UTC) == Policy drafts == Hi all! I've written some draft policies and guidelines over the last few days. We're not a bureaucracy, so the point is not to set some rules but to kick off some discussions as to how our wiki will work. So far, I've created: * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability|a notability guideline]] * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy|a deletion policy]] I've written them as my opinion on what should happen, but I'm hoping to align them with community consensus as we discuss them more. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:44, 21 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #249 is out: Annual plan 2026-2027 == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-23|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we present you the current draft of objectives for Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia in the WMF Annual Plan 2026-2027, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 09:48, 25 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30536976 --> == To abstract Wikipedia or be the Abstract Wikipedia == There is a discussion happening about what the [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability|notability criteria]] for Abstract Wikipedia should be, and in trying to participate I've found my idea of Abstract Wikipedia is awfully abstract. Is Abstract Wikipedia supposed to abstract Wikipedia, as in abstracting information from existing articles on the language Wikipedias (barring new contributions), or is it supposed to become the Abstract Wikipedia, supporting collaboration across all languages like it's the language Wikipedia to end all language Wikipedias (allowing new contributions)? I thought the answer would be obvious, but the name Abstract Wikipedia is a bit ambiguous. Am I missing something? [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 02:16, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :I think ({{ping|DVrandecic (WMF)|p=?}}) the idea is (and I personally prefer) the latter. I believe that, given the fact that it's much easier to write a concrete article than an abstract article, and the fact that the community of potential future contributors on enwiki is skeptical ''at best'', we ultimately will never expand beyond the size of other wikis, but I see no problem with allowing volunteers to add information not on other wikis (it's probably not the most effective, but they're volunteers, beggars can't be choosers), as long as it's not vandalism, useless, or promotional slop. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:31, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] Abstract Wikipedia is a Wikipedia, where people can collaborate across languages on articles, which can then be used to fill gaps in the existing Wikipedias. Whereas I expect that current Wikipedia articles might be used as a convenient starting point for many of the articles in Abstract Wikipedia, this is more a consequence of Wikipedia being one of the best places to go to to find reliable knowledge, but that is not part of how it is supposed to work. So, this is not to abstract the existing Wikipedias, but to collaborate on an Abstract Wikipedia. At no point is this meant to replace existing Wikipedias. (Thanks to @[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] for the ping!) --[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]] ([[User talk:DVrandecic (WMF)|talk]]) 17:01, 27 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you, this makes a lot more sense now. [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 21:52, 27 May 2026 (UTC) == template suggestion == Some way to mock abstract syntax on talk and project pages, analogous to those in [[d:category:format Template]]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 15:21, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :Hmm. I agree. :Workshopping ideas for how it works: :* Invokation: <nowiki>{{Call|Z26039|{"Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1"}|{"Z1K1": "Z6091", "Z6091K1": "Q634"}|{"Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1"}|lang=en}}</nowiki> :** This could then be suplemented by helper templates: <nowiki>{{Call|Z26039|{{Wikidata item argument reference}}|{{Wikidata item reference|Q634}}|{{Language argument reference}}}}</nowiki> :* This would result in "[[f:Z26039|subject is instance of (string)]] (wikidata item reference, [[d:Q634|planet]], language)" :** Icons are missing in this example, I'm not sure if we can actually add them :Thoughts? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:04, 27 May 2026 (UTC) == Marking NLG Default text == Some NLG functions give default texts, like [[f:Z33420|Z33420]] will give text like "Paris ∈ {city}". sometimes in other languages the English text is show. Currently there is no visual clue that these texts are not normal text in the requested language. I propose we mark these text with color <span style="color:magenta;">Paris ∈ {city}</span> with something like <nowiki><span style="color:magenta;">Paris ∈ {city}</span></nowiki>. To have this configurable/maintainable this could be included in a function, called NLG default text or so, with a text as input an a text in color as output. The exact formatting like magenta color or gray background or something else can be discussed/decided later. To have it even more configurable on personal stylesheets it could use a class like <nowiki><span class="NLG Default text">Paris ∈ {city}</span></nowiki>. What do you think? Could somebody make such a function already? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 12:00, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :The are technically just monolingual texts in a language called "multiple languages". I threw a prototype together really quickly, [[f:Z35839]]. It will accept strings, monolingual texts, and html fragments as input, so you have to select which type you want. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:59, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::OK, thanks, I added it to [[f:Z26039]] and works as expected, see [https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Z26039?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z26039%22%2C%22Z26039K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q64%22%7D%2C%22Z26039K2%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q515%22%7D%2C%22Z26039K3%22%3A%22Z1555%22%7D here]. The test for the function with default text now fails because it now is in magenta color. That was to be expected. I will leave the tests unchanged if that is OK with you, as we might need to change the exact formatting. ::Is it OK to add this to other NLG functions that produce default output? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 15:59, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :::Sure, [[w:en:WP:Be bold|be bold]]! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:50, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Ratification of the deletion policy proposal? == I haven't seen any unresolved objections to my proposal for a [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy|policy for deletion]]. Does anybody have any issues, and, if not, is it ok to ratify as an actual policy? I intend to remove the draft template and replace it with a policy template unless anyone voices any objection within a week. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:55, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :Is it just me or does [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Reasons for deletion]] render blank with only number bullets without the actual text after ''1.'' or ''2.''? [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 07:13, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::I see text. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 07:49, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::I can see on my phone, but it goes blank on my laptop. What is the role of ''<nowiki><span class="anchor" id="1"></nowiki>''? [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 12:15, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::::{{ping|Bunnypranav}} I can see the text everywhere (I tested connected and not connected, on my phone, laptop, with Chrome or Firefox ; what system do you use?). As the name suggest, the span anchor is here to create an HTML anchor, so you can do link like [[Abstract_Wikipedia:Deletion_policy#7]]. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 13:49, 30 May 2026 (UTC) fanblrexaozwsxq7lqwbyan36891hcm 9216 9213 2026-05-30T14:23:18Z Bunnypranav 929 /* Ratification of the deletion policy proposal? */ Reply 9216 wikitext text/x-wiki {{#ifexist:Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat/Header/{{USERLANGUAGE}}|{{/Header/{{USERLANGUAGE}}}}|{{/Header}}}} {{/Archives}} <!-- Add your discussion below this line --> == Why don't we just structure this with wikitemplates? == I feel like the project could be done a lot better by using templates kind of like how wikipedia does them. Just the entire thing is templates that can be rendered in many languages. So like [[Q106289265]] would have the content <nowiki>{{Z26039|Q7257}}</nowiki> and could even have some aliasing done across languages so it could be <nowiki>{{subject is|Q7257}}</nowiki>. Code would be editable with a regular visual editor or code editor. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:34, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :This is available in pages when Parsoid rendering is enabled. We don't use this becuase it doesn't make sense for constructing and editing massive articles. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC) ::How do you do parsoid rendering? And why wouldn't it make sense? With aliases and everything could work great. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:12, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :::I believe it is enabled by default. If you do have it on: {{#function:Z10000|you'll s|ee this}} [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:54, 30 March 2026 (UTC) :you may be interested in reading this old [[m:Abstract_Wikipedia/Google.org_Fellows_evaluation|Google report]]. [[User:BrokenSegue|BrokenSegue]] ([[User talk:BrokenSegue|talk]]) 14:32, 9 May 2026 (UTC) == Why the editing API doesn't work == {{tracked|T423542}} Immanuelle wrongly stated that there is no REST API for editing. [[#REST API for editing?|There is]]. However, it does not work when called from software outside Abstract Wikipedia. That is because there is no way to grant a bot password or OAuth customer the permission to edit abstract articles (<code>wikilambda-abstract-edit</code>) and create them (<code>wikilambda-abstract-create</code>), since no grant on [[Special:ListGrants]] includes either. Should this be fixed? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 01:57, 26 April 2026 (UTC) :Yes I think the rights should be added. I think the number of automated edits should be low at the moment as Abstract Wikipedia is still in an early phase and so far there is not much support for small languages and so many functions will maybe change to cover more languages. As automatic editing using a Bot Account requires an formal request it is no problem if the option exists. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 18:17, 26 April 2026 (UTC) :Sounds good to me. Could we add a bot section to [[Abstract Wikipedia:Requests for permissions]]? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:35, 5 May 2026 (UTC) ::[[Abstract_Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions#Bot]] ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 23:56, 5 May 2026 (UTC) == Q884 == The page [[Q884]] has inaccurate statements about the head of government and the head of state of South Korea. Part of what it returns in English is "Lee Ju-ho is the head of government of South Korea.Park Geun-hye is the head of state of South Korea." However, neither Lee Ju-ho nor Park Geun-hye currently have their respective roles mentioned here. How should these statements be turned into ones using the past tense? [[User:Intolerable situation|Intolerable situation]] ([[User talk:Intolerable situation|talk]]) 14:44, 30 April 2026 (UTC) :not currently possible :((((( [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:46, 30 April 2026 (UTC) :Feeglgeef is correct, past tense sentence generation is something we are sorely lacking at the moment. If you look at [[f:WF:Type proposals#Representing abstract content|Wikifunctions' type proposals]] you can see some initiatives that could hopefully mitigate this. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 13:49, 1 May 2026 (UTC) == Abstract Wikipedia should use a different mw-wiki-logo than Wikipedia for Vector 2010 skin == {{Tracked|T424781}} Hello friends. I've been asked to start a community conversation about this. I'd like to propose that Abstract Wikipedia create its own logo, so that folks visiting this wiki don't get it mixed up with Wikipedia. Even though this project is under the Wikipedia domain, I think it's pretty unique and it'd make sense to make sure it doesn't get mixed up with enwiki or other Wikipedias by newbies googling for Wikipedia articles. Thoughts? Thanks. [[User:Novem Linguae|Novem Linguae]] ([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]]) 12:02, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :Isn't there already one? Are we talking about a logo in a different context? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 12:25, 1 May 2026 (UTC) ::Looks like this is just for the Vector 2010 skin. [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia:Main_page?useskin=vector Example.] I'll edit this section and the ticket to clarify that. [[User:Novem Linguae|Novem Linguae]] ([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]]) 12:28, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :::Ah, thank you, I'd {{s}} this then. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 12:31, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :This has been raised before above in [[#Logo]], the same problem appears on Monobook. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 13:45, 1 May 2026 (UTC) ::Would you support using [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/static/images/mobile/copyright/abstractwiki-wordmark.svg the Vector 2022 logo] on Vector 2010 and Monobook? That'd be a simple technical solution. [[User:Novem Linguae|Novem Linguae]] ([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]]) 14:02, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :::Yes, I see no issue with using that for the moment. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 14:04, 1 May 2026 (UTC) == What would it take for AW to catch up to (English) Reasonator? Porting over functions? == The Wikidata tool [https://reasonator.toolforge.org Reasonator] already automatically creates several sentences in English describing human Wikidata items using [https://codeberg.org/magnusmanske/reasonator/commit/b506362c3c2e90b32de32708ec668eee49603cb0 auto_long_desc.js] under [https://codeberg.org/magnusmanske/reasonator/src/commit/a6ee9095c3accfb67845caf438ce83c98c19e38e/LICENSE a GPL 2.0 free software license] without using any large language model or other AI. Abstract Wikipedia, on the other hand, requires [[Help:How to create an article/en|a several step process just to create a lead sentence]]. Does Resonator have functions in [https://codeberg.org/magnusmanske/reasonator/src/commit/a6ee9095c3accfb67845caf438ce83c98c19e38e/public_html/auto_long_desc.js#L406 the English section of auto_long_desc.js] that Wikifunctions doesn't have at the moment? Is that what's preventing Abstract Wikipedia from auto-generating substantial text (at least in English) based off of Wikidata like Resonator does? Below is [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q1339&lang=en an example of what Resonator can generate from Wikidata] without needing human edits the way Abstract Wikipedia does. (Though I omitted some children for the sake of brevity.) <blockquote> '''Johann Sebastian Bach''' was a [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=696651 Saxe-Eisenach]-[https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=12548 Holy Roman Empire]-[https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=183 German] [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=36834 composer], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=765778 organist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=5371902 harpsichordist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=1259917 violinist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=899758 violist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=158852 conductor], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=1076502 choir director], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=691031 concertmaster], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=14915627 musicologist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=16145150 music educator], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=214970 virtuoso], and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=2251335 school teacher]. He was born on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1685-03-21 March 21, 1685] in [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=7070 Eisenach] to [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=309470 Johann Ambrosius Bach] and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=66671 Maria Elisabeth Lämmerhirt]. He studied at [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=1930161 St. Michael's School] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1702-04 April 1702]. His field of work included [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=8361 Baroque music] and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=9730 classical music]. He was [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=215793 chapelmaster] from [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1717-12 December 1717] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1723-04 April 1723] and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=641457 Thomaskantor] from [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1723 1723] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1750 1750]. He worked for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=117540 Collegium Musicum], for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=1230608 Saint Blaise], for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=61689 Leopold, Prince of Anhalt-Köthen], for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=61972 Johann Ernst III, Duke of Saxe-Weimar] from [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1703-01 January 1703] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1703-08 August 1703], for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=699668 Thomasschule zu Leipzig], and for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=798194 Bachkirche Arnstadt] from [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1703-08 August 1703] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1707 1707]. He married [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=57487 Maria Barbara Bach] on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1707-10-17 October 17, 1707] (married until on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1720-07-07 July 7, 1720] ) and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=57212 Anna Magdalena Bach] on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1721-12-03 December 3, 1721] (married until on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1750-07-28 July 28, 1750] ). His children include [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=15079141 Catharina Dorothea Bach], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=107277 Wilhelm Friedemann Bach], […] He died of [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=12202 stroke] on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1750-07-28 July 28, 1750] in [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=2079 Leipzig]. He was buried at [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=170402 St. Thomas Church]. </blockquote> [[User:Lovelano|Lovelano]] ([[User talk:Lovelano|talk]]) 18:41, 1 May 2026 (UTC) == Project scope == Might be a stupid question but what articles are/will be allowed on Abstract Wikipedia? How far is it meant to expand? The language Wikipedias have some differing policies, so might not be as simple as copying those. Personally I find the idea of creating an article for any and every Wikidata item really cool and a good ''baseline'' for what can have an article, but wouldn't ~120 million abstract articles become unwieldy? If the only requirement is that the article topic has a Wikidata item, then there are many interesting possibilities; one could write about individual dates, Wikidata test items, even Wikimedia disambiguation pages. Have not found where this is explained, if anywhere. This may be up to common sense, but trouble is, couldn't one create an encyclopedically meaningful article on just about anything? Pretty important policy not to have if it's undecided, though is not a problem at the moment. Just wondering. [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 23:36, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :This isn't a stupid question and I don't think this is entirely settled. Have you seen [[Abstract Wikipedia:About]]? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 23:57, 1 May 2026 (UTC) ::Ah, I forgot about that page. So it is meant to abstract information from existing Wikipedia articles? Makes sense, though it still raises the question of creating new articles. [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 00:41, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::At this juncture, I don't think anyone has in mind drafting anything new here as such: this is just responding to existing Wikidata items and the possibility of new Wikipedia articles drafted from them, using Wikifunctions. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 00:51, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :I don't think we ever get any article an existing wiki does not have. Even if abstract content creation gets as fast as reasonably possible, it will never beat out typing text, so we will never catch up with, say, enwiki or eswiki. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:10, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::It's also a question of policy. There are topics about which things could be said, but which wouldn't meet the baseline notability or other criteria of the big monolingual wikis. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:22, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::This is true, if we keep [[d:]]'s notability policy (which seems like the most natural one) then there are many subjects that we theoretically can talk about that don't meet the [[w:WP:GNG|GNG]] and similar guidelines. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:25, 2 May 2026 (UTC) == How many articles in how many languages are actually fully available without errors == This is a response to the call in [[:f:Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-02]]. The most important thing to count is already listed there: '''How many articles in how many languages are actually fully available without errors?''' It should be not just a count, but a list: I want to see which articles are readable in which languages; which articles are readable in some languages, but not others (which ones?); which articles are not readable in any language; etc. An even more relevant, but much harder to measure thing is how many of those articles are actually more useful than not having an article at all. There is no article about Boston in many languages, but [[Q100]], which currently says "Boston is the capital of Massachusetts.Boston is the largest city of Massachusetts." is not significantly more useful than nothing at all even if it's fully rendered in another language in which there is no concrete article about it. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 12:12, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :Perhaps this should have been on the talk page of that status update instead of the project chat? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:25, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::The status update is about two projects and so I can understand if there are comments here. What do you think about creating a status update overview page with links to the status updates in Abstract Wikipedia to offer the possibility to discuss the status updates and especially things related to Abstract Wikipedia there. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 18:57, 4 May 2026 (UTC) :::I don't think that's necessary. You can just include your abstractwiki (as in, the live wiki, not the project) related comments on the page on [[f:]], or, if for some reason that's not possible, as a reply to the newsletter announcement here. The point is, the project chat is crowded enough with topics as it is, ideally it should be more focussed on general matters of discussion than close-ended enquiries about topics that have their own talk page. I find Amire80's use of a new == heading here to be improper. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:32, 4 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #246 is out: Request for input: what should we count for Abstract Wikipedia == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-02|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we ask you what would be the relevant metrics for Abstract Wikipedia, we discuss our latest news on Composition Language v2, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 12:21, 2 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30325620 --> == Spaces between sentences, another attempt == [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat#Extra spaces between sentences|A month ago]], @[[User:内存溢出的猫|内存溢出的猫]]<ref group="spaces3>According to Google Translate, it's pronounced "Nèicún yìchū de māo". Please correct me if it's wrong. When I write, I want to know how are things that I write pronounced aloud, and very unfortunately, I never learned to read Chinese characters, and even if I did, most English speakers probably didn't. Come to think of it, is there a function that ''reliably'' transliterates Chinese characters?</ref> That discussion doesn't seem to have yielded any fixes or meaningful discussions, at least not that I can see. [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat#Spaces between sentences|Two weeks ago]], I tried to bring up a similar topic, but that discussion somehow got derailed and also didn't yield anything useful. Now, the problem looks differently, but it's still a problem. When I look at [[Q10251]], for example, what I see is four sentences that ''appear'' with ''no'' spaces between them. Not one, not two—none at all. It looks like this: :Plasma is a fundamental state of matter.Plasma is a classical state of matter.A plasma is a gas.A plasma is a matter. Note that I emphasized ''appear'': When I see them rendered on the screen, they have no spaces between them. In the HTML, however, they are represented as four <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>s, and their inline positioning is handled by CSS. This means, for example, that if I copy and paste them, I don't get a long string with no spaces after full stops, but four sentences with a single line break after each full stop: <poem> Plasma is a fundamental state of matter. Plasma is a classical state of matter. A plasma is a gas. A plasma is a matter. </poem> This is not how it is supposed to be done. <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>s are supposed to be used for block elements and not hacked into appearing as if they are inline (also known as phrasing). Spaces between sentences are supposed to be real characters rather than HTML and CSS tricks, they may be different in different languages, and in some languages they may be nothing at all. I hope that the definition of the problem is clear. <references group="spaces3"></references> [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 12:49, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :Hi, have a look at it [[Special:PermanentLink/7132|now]]. Does this match your expectations? I think it's not rendering right now for whatever reason, but there are other examples of it being done this way that you can see: [[Q241691]]. The article renders properly in both English (spaces between sentences) and Japanese (no spaces at all). : :'''English:''' :<blockquote>Programmed Data Processor is a computer model series by Digital Equipment Corporation. PDP-8 is a Programmed Data Processor.</blockquote> :'''Japanese:''' :<blockquote>PDPシリーズはディジタル・イクイップメント・コーポレーションによるコンピュータ・モデル・シリーズである。PDP-8はPDPシリーズである。</blockquote> : :I have some, err, strong opinions about [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]]'s 「Abstract Wikipedia Editor」 tool, which is the predominant cause for all of these very janky and poorly-laid-out articles that you see. This is not how an article ought to be written on Abstract Wikipedia, and I and other editors are aware of this. If you see these problems, please do fix them! The wiki will be all the better for it. : :In the absence of consensus on such things as these (and awaiting any official policy pages) I have written [[f:User:Theki/best practices]] on my Wikifunctions userpage. You are welcome to read it if you wish. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:20, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::The output of [[Q241691]] looks OK to me in this regard. How was it done? ::[[Q10251]] gives me an error. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:10, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::WikiLambda is doing WikiLambda things. This WASI time limit error happens intermittently on Abstract Wikipedia articles and it usually goes away after a short while. The only thing is that it doesn't really seem like purging these articles does anything to force the orchestrator to retry its evaluation so the article might not render that paragraph until someone comes in and pokes at it by editing it somehow. ::: :::The working article uses the [[f:Z33068|''paragraph from sentences'']] function to lay out its individual sentence content. This function automatically handles converting any and all text-like objects (strings, HTML fragments, and monolingual text) to a consistent form, so sentence fragments can all be supplied verbatim to its list input. When the function is putting the sentences together it defaults to using a single space to separate them, but first checks if the requested language is in the [[f:Z33984|''languages without spaces between sentences'']] list. If it is, it doesn't add spaces at all, and just concatenates the sentences normally. I hope this explanation makes sense. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 18:19, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::::It makes some sense, but earlier, you suggested: "If you see these problems, please do fix them", and I'm not entirely sure how to do it. How would I fix it in [[Q100]], for example? [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 19:41, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::::In this case you would do the following: :::::# At the bottom, click the plus and then 「Add empty fragment」. :::::# Set the function to [[f:Z33068]], as mentioned earlier. :::::# Now go through each sentence fragment, find the innermost sentence-generation function, click on the three dots, and copy it. Do not copy the calls to [[f:Z29749]] or similar, these are not necessary. :::::# Go to the ''paragraph with sentences'' function call and add an element to the list. :::::# Click on the three dots next to the new element, and paste in the earlier sentence fragment. :::::# You can now delete the original fragment and repeat the process in the same list for the one after it. :::::&mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 19:46, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Theki|Theki]] I intend on fixing it, I recently made an attempt but the suggested fixes made problems worse. Do you have any practical suggestions of how to structure the templates? I will try to implement them when I have more time. ::Also your name is very confusing, are you in the process of getting it changed wiki-wide? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:36, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::Um, are you referring to my signature not matching my wiki username? I have considered for a long time changing it from ''theki'', but I don't feel like putting in the effort when it seems to be perfectly ignorable for most people. The user 「''Rae''」 can't be usurped because they made, like, two or three articles on the Persian Wikipedia two decades ago or something, I don't know. If that weren't the case I would be User:Rae right now but after that failed to go through I just decided to stop bothering. Maybe at some point I'll come up with a username I'm happy with keeping for the foreseeable future but I have other concerns at the moment. :::Could you explain how your attempted fixes 「made problems worse」? Presently I side with Feeglgeef's sentiments and prefer to wait for abstract content to actually be feasible to make on a reasonably descriptive scale (see: the type proposals) before I go around making articles willy-nilly, which is what AWE has been doing—making a bunch of pretty low-quality articles on a massive scale when it probably ''really'' would have been better to, err, hold off on that. :::And I honestly know very little about the actual workings of your editor, I don't really use it nor am I familiar with its template syntax or whatever it may use, so I'm going to look over how it actually works and then get back to you on that. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 23:28, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Using this [[f:Z33068]] made things worse [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 00:44, 3 May 2026 (UTC) :::::That did not go through correctly but I do not think we have a proper thing for it. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 00:45, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::What? Could you elaborate? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 01:00, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::{{ping|Immanuelle}} I checked. Your issue is that your editor is not providing the article language to Z33068K2; that is, the ''paragraph from sentences'' function has a second argument, and your editor was omitting it. If you properly specify it, it will work. Please, next time, actually tell me what went wrong instead of going quiet and forcing me to look after it myself. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:06, 4 May 2026 (UTC) :I avoid [[f:Z33068]] for now, because executing a whole paragraph in a single call would often time out. So my current alternative is inserting [[f:Z35672]] between sentences. Fairly clunky, but it works... --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 06:08, 28 May 2026 (UTC) ::Can you categorize the talk pages of articles you're doing that with? It has major accessibility concerns for our friends using screen readers, so it'd be nice to be able to find those with issues when were able to fix the calls [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:50, 28 May 2026 (UTC) :::I think the new tool can show us this (via dumps). For example, here are the uses of 'paragraph': https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/zid/Z32123 --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 23:07, 28 May 2026 (UTC) ::::There's more than one way to not use spaces correctly and more than one way to use spaces correctly, this wouldn't catch all of them. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:13, 28 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I'm not totally sure what you want to track, but I'm confident that this will find all my uses. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 02:10, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::::I think it slipped past everyone's notice, but I made a template for linking to that sort of information @ [[Template:Zd|<nowiki>{{</nowiki>zd<nowiki>}}</nowiki>]]. {{zd|Z35672|sentence separator}} <span style="font-size:smaller;opacity:0.8">(I don't think the database dumps have noticed the function you're using yet, so it's a 404 at the moment.)</span> &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 01:09, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Most used fragments == [[:f:Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-02|The latest status update]] lists the most used fragments: "[[:f:Z32123]] with 1452, followed by [[:f:Z27868]] with 736 and [[:f:Z29749]] with 650)". How was this calculated? [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 13:44, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :Again, this should definitely have been on the talk page for that status update. This isn't the everything page, it should be used for discussion relating to the wiki. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:26, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::It's not a question just about the status update, even if it was prompted by it. It's a question about Abstract Wikipedia that can be relevant beyond the status update. ::Stop policing how people use discussion pages without a particularly good reason. If you don't have an answer to the actual question, don't write anything. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 19:38, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::I have to agree with Feeglgeef that this would be better raised on the status update's talk page itself. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 19:42, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::I'm "policing" which discussion pages are being used for the same reason different discussion spaces exist in the first place. And your distinction between "just about" and "prompted by" is irrelevant. If I want to ask someone how they did something, I would ask them first, not go to a general discussion board. This is still the project ''chat'', not a Q&A zone. {{ping|DVrandecic (WMF)|p=,}} can you please answer the question? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:22, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :I have a local script that I have run on a local copy. Nothing more complicated than that. Could also be very wrong -- the script hasn't been peer-reviewed or anything. --[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]] ([[User talk:DVrandecic (WMF)|talk]]) 08:54, 4 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thanks, @[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]]. Can you share the code, please? I'll be happy to review it. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 15:30, 4 May 2026 (UTC) ==Wiktionary integration== I was trying out a few functions recently, such as [https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z27243 the new superlative function], and I noticed that ''every adjective'' has to be a Wikidata item. For example, I couldn't type in the inputs "Bugatti Veyron", "fast", "Earth" because "fast" as an adjective is not a Wikidata item. This doesn't really make sense, given that Wiktionary already has the word for "fast" and its superlative form in many different languages. Would it be possible to integrate Wiktionary into the function, so the user can type an adjective or verb from Wiktionary instead of having to deal with Wikidata (which consists almost entirely of nouns)? [[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] ([[User talk:Somepinkdude|talk]]) 16:49, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :No, sadly. I would try "speed" as the adjective, though, you have to use abstract qualities instead of concrete English terms. [[File:Wikifunctions Superlative speed example.png|thumb|Here's an example of the word being used.]] [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:02, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :Wikidata has standard items as well as lexeme data, so if anything, we should try to integrate those. E.g. [[:d:Lexeme:L1029]]. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 19:48, 6 May 2026 (UTC) ::I tried this, and it gave "Bugatti Veyron is the speedest car on Earth", which is laughably bad. The problem is that Wikidata does not "know" what the superlative form is, while Wiktionary does. Speed is a fairly common descriptor, but what about less common adjectives which aren't on Wikidata? Will there need to be a bot to copy all of this information from Wiktionary? [[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] ([[User talk:Somepinkdude|talk]]) 22:14, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :::I'm not suggesting that the functionality works <em>now</em>, but that we need to integrate the funcationality. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 22:17, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :::Well, no, the superlative form is chosen by [[f:Z12203]]. I think there's a bug with the English implementation that calls that function wrong. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:19, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] I did find the item {{Q|Q19807466}} which was linked to a concept database's entry for "fast"; I have at least linked it to the English lexeme "fast" and will try to add more links at a better hour. [[User:Mahir256|Mahir256]] ([[User talk:Mahir256|talk]]) 04:18, 7 May 2026 (UTC) == Showcase == I was wondering if there's a curated list of decent articles to learn by example here on Abstract Wikipedia? [[User:Fgnievinski|Fgnievinski]] ([[User talk:Fgnievinski|talk]]) 02:02, 8 May 2026 (UTC) :Unfortunately not, and, honestly, I wouldn't recommend article creation at the moment, it's likely to need significant refactoring as the way we represent abstract content changes, but, I can point you to [[Q668]] as a reasonably good example at the moment. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:39, 8 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you. "308 languages" blew my mind – well done! [[User:Fgnievinski|Fgnievinski]] ([[User talk:Fgnievinski|talk]]) 02:54, 8 May 2026 (UTC) :::308 is the number of ''concrete'' Wikipedias in which a manually-written article about India is available. :::The abstract article renders for me in English as "India is a country in Asia. India is a republic. New Delhi is the capital of India. India is the most populous country in world." Switching to another language to get rendered as an abstract article is done by typing the language's name in the box above the rendered text. I tried French, German, and Dutch, and got errors in all of them. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 03:12, 8 May 2026 (UTC) ::::So it goes. The paragraph has quite a lot of distinct sentence generation functions, all of which of course have to be implemented in the target language. This will be rounded out once we're able to more effectively generalize linguistic content. I view these functions as sort of patchy temporary solutions to the sentence generation problem while we figure out something more robust, which I hope is soon to come. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 04:15, 8 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #247 is out: References from Wikidata now available == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-08|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we announce that is now possible to pass references in Wikidata statements, we introduce the [https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/ Abstract Data dashboard], we report you on the presentation about Abstract Wikipedia at WikiCon Australia, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Also, we remind you that if you have questions or ideas to discuss, the next '''Volunteers' Corner''' will be held on '''[https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1778520600 May 11, at 17:30 UTC]''' ([https://meet.google.com/xuy-njxh-rkw link to the meeting]). Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 11:16, 8 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30325620 --> == about the usage of Z33068 == The use of [[f:Z33068]] (en: paragraph from sentences) <s>always</s> most of the time results in the error "Reached time limit in orchestrator." So should it be used at all for now, temporarily? Or maybe there are already some tickets about this that I am not aware of? -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 18:23, 10 May 2026 (UTC) :It previously worked, so I'm hoping whatever the issue is will be fixed soon. The current state of the wiki makes [[m:Immediatism|immediatism]] an illogical philosophy to have at the moment, in my opinion. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:16, 10 May 2026 (UTC) ::This issue seems to no longer exist, you might need to clear the cache by making a dummy edit on affected articles. I implemented the function in Python (instead of composition), which has increased the speed by about 2000 ms. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 04:31, 11 May 2026 (UTC) :::Seems like working. Thank you. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 19:06, 11 May 2026 (UTC) == Manual of Style == I've created a [[Abstract Wikipedia:Manual of Style|draft for a Manual of Style]]. Please feel free to comment on or make bold edits to the page. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:29, 11 May 2026 (UTC) :Thank you! That’s great and I’ll look at it more soon. I’m still taking a bit of a wikibreak. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:32, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :Is there anything I've written [[f:User:Theki/best_practices#Abstract_Wikipedia|here]] that you think would make for a good technical section of the page? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 00:04, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::I've added some of them. Thank you for your list of best practices by the way, I generally agree with them (I can't endorse connecting WD items currently in hope of a better technical solution, but otherwise I do). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 00:58, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Proposals on the architecture of Abstract Content rendering == Starting from a discussion born on the Wikifunctions Telegram chat, I've explained two different proposals on how the NLG on Abstract Wikipedia should be organized in the page [[User:Dv103/Abstract articles architectures]]. Please come to contribute to the discussion, or to propose alternatives. [[User:Dv103|Dv103]] ([[User talk:Dv103|talk]]) 14:32, 11 May 2026 (UTC) == [[MediaWiki:Wikimedia-copyright-footer]] == The copyright message has a few issues, mainly that it does not address abstract content (which is not "text"), nor object labels (which are under CC0). Proposed text: "<nowiki> Text and abstract content are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License]; the labels of objects from [[f:|Wikifunctions]] are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ Creative Commons CC0 License]; additional terms may apply. See [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Terms_of_Use Terms of Use] for details. </nowiki>" Which, when rendered, looks like: Text and abstract content are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License]; the labels of objects from [[f:|Wikifunctions]] are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ Creative Commons CC0 License]; additional terms may apply. See [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Terms_of_Use Terms of Use] for details. The message is somewhat inspired by the current one and WF's. Thoughts? Thank you! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:30, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: As you probably imagine, this text is very tightly controlled by the Wikimedia Foundation's Legal department. I think the first port of call should be a discussion about why you might want to change things, rather than a rush to specific re-wordings, before approaching them for sign-off. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 14:28, 12 May 2026 (UTC) ::Well I briefly summarized my justification, my proposed text was just an idea for a starting point. Basically, the abstract content is not really "text", so the footer doesn't actually tell the reader what they're allowed to do with it, and I argue that the current wording implies that the labels are licensed under CC-BY-SA 4, when they aren't. I think a change is critical as otherwise we're not showing the reader a license, or, arguably, in the case of labels, showing users a license that ''does not apply'', which is a pretty bad thing. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:51, 12 May 2026 (UTC) == [[MediaWiki:AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions.json]] == I'd think we should add [[f:Z33068]] here. The function allows you to form a paragraph out of sentences and handles languages having different standards of whether to add a space between them, and adding it here would make finding it easier. I'm not sure what policy we want to have for the suggested functions, this idea might help formulate it. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:06, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :[[User:Jdforrester (WMF)]] tells me the page has been changed to [[Special:CommunityConfiguration/AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions]] on the telegram. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:25, 12 May 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: Yup, see the weekly update on [[f:Wikifunctions:Status_updates/2026-05-02|2026-05-02]]. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 16:35, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :I also believe Z33068 should be added to the list. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:25, 12 May 2026 (UTC) {{done}} see [[Special:Diff/7692]]. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 09:08, 20 May 2026 (UTC) == Abstract Wikipedia statistics site source code == https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/ is a very useful tool, but it doesn't seem to have anything pointing to the location of its source code. Is it closed-source or unfree? While I'm at it I feel I should suggest having language pages' paths formatted differently from how they are currently—at the moment it's <code>/languages/Toki%20Pona</code> when something like <code>/languages/tok</code> would be more suitable. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; : See [[:gitlab:toolforge-repos/abstract-data]]. Also pinging {{ping|DSantamaria-WMF|p=}} (thanks for the tool, by the way). [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 00:25, 13 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you. I think a link to that repository should be put in a footer somewhere on the website as I wouldn't have found that if not for you. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 02:30, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::{{ping|Theki}} For the record, I found that repo by searching for "abstract-data" on [[:toolhub:|Toolhub]]. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 03:34, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::Thanks for the feedback and the report, fixed both things, we have now the link to the repo in the side bar footer, and also the language codes are used in the URLs. Thanks! [[User:DSantamaria-WMF|DSantamaria-WMF]] ([[User talk:DSantamaria-WMF|talk]]) 11:46, 13 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Are you particularly attached to keeping country flag emojis next to the language names? Some consider it an [https://flagsarenotlanguages.com/blog anti-pattern]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 16:17, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I think the use of flags is not really harmful since this is not a ''language selector'', it is just a list of languages. Of course not every language has an associated flag, for example Latin, which does look a bit awkward, but it can't be helped. Maybe give languages without a flag a unique icon from Wikimedia Commons? e.g. <div style="display:inline-flex;align-items:center;border:1px solid #0002;border-radius:4px;gap:4px;padding:4px;">[[File:Toki pona.svg|16px]] Toki Pona</div> instead of <div style="display:inline-flex;align-items:center;border:1px solid #0002;border-radius:4px;gap:4px;padding:4px;"><span>🌐</span>Toki Pona</div>. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 16:37, 14 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::I thought I saw 🏛️ being used for Latin earlier. But of course, as far as the Unicode Consortium is concerned, [[Q65300415|🇬🇧]] doesn't mean '[[Q1680|English]]', no more than [[Q100587670|🏳️‍🌈]] means '[[Q1359130|Polari]]'; technically, it doesn't even mean '[[Q145|United Kingdom]]', just the letters 🇺 and 🇰 next to each other (which linguistically would indicate [[Q8798|Ukrainian]] in ISO 639, but these are 'regional indicator symbols'). [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 17:21, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::As seems (from this comment and also [[f:User_talk:DSantamaria-WMF#c-%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4-20260513063700-Country_flags_in_abstract-data|others' comments]]) that flags are a little bit controversial, I just removed them, IMHO it was just an aesthetic concept, I like the look and feel that flags bring to the language labels, but happy to remove them if make some people feel uncomfortable with the concept. [[User:DSantamaria-WMF|DSantamaria-WMF]] ([[User talk:DSantamaria-WMF|talk]]) 05:54, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Make it more user Friendly == Make it more user-friendly by adding drag-and-drop compenots and one click additions, and make it similar to a visual macro buidler. [[User:ChippyTechGH|ChippyTechGH]] ([[User talk:ChippyTechGH|talk]]) 01:00, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :Could you file something like this on [[phab:|phabricator]]? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:01, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Person infoboxes == Hi all, I've just created [[f:Z35167|infobox for person (Z35167)]]. All it can really do presently is display the name of the person in the chosen language and in the person's native language, but it's a good start. I started writing it as a composition but chose to switch to writing it in JavaScript instead, which ended up being less headache-inducing (managing a large list of strings to concatenate together is not fun, plus compositions bring lots of additional overhead). Unfortunately, this means that the actual ''useful'' parts of the infobox—the information about the person themself—is not really doable. I'd need to dereference the Wikidata property references to get their label in the requested language, but since they're references and I'm working with code, not compositions, I can't just call [[f:Z6822|fetch Wikidata property (Z6822)]] and be done with it. If there's a WikiLambda API to do this inside of the JS itself that would be great and would solve everything, but at the moment that alone is what's holding it back, or so it seems. I can get the actual ''values'' of statements just fine, though. If I am missing some amazing WikiLambda API function that will solve this problem for me by letting me dereference the PID, then please let me know because that would be great. If you want to look at an example of the infobox right meow, you can view [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/tok/Q317521 Q317521 in Toki Pona] and see how it states Musk's name in both Toki Pona ''and'' his native English name. COOL! My hope is that this can be made less barebones in the near future. Infoboxes are a great way to get quick information on a subject and can fill in the informational gaps in the presently sparse articles we have at the moment, all while staying in the user's requested language. Feedback is appreciated! &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 02:58, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :Thank you for this! I wonder if perhaps it would be better to create one "infobox" function and then have compositions call that, making wd retrival possible? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:38, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::Working on that at the moment, I think I've got it working but I'm hitting a ratelimit in the orchestrator so I don't know for sure. The main issue with it now is that the actual [[f:Z35175|infobox template (Z35175)]] wrapper was programmed in JS so as to not be a pain in the ass, so this means that it can only take in strings, HTML fragments, etc. so the retrieval of Wikidata stuff still needs to be done by the caller and is rather verbose (see [[f:Z35168|the main implementation]]). The niceties will come soon later once I know that it all works at a lower level, though. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 05:04, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::So the problem now seems to be that when [[f:Z29825|label of Wikidata property in language (Z29825)]] isn't being faulty, it's being incredibly slow. Considering retrieving Wikidata items from their references seems to take, like, four to five seconds, and we'll have tens of statements in these infoboxes, I don't see how the property names could be retrieved in a way that doesn't cause the orchestrator to time out or hit a ratelimit. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 06:01, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::I think I figured something out? I'm just going to try calling [[f:Z35036|fetch Wikidata property or parts (Z35036)]], it seems to be much faster for whatever reason. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 06:05, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::It works now, a little rough around the edges, also very slow, but I think I'm mostly happy with it. Of course it would be great if all you needed to provide to the template function to get a label-statement row was the property reference itself, but I'm too sleep-deprived to figure that out at the moment. I made five bespoke functions specifically for this infobox, more than I would like, but it's probably not ''that'' bad. I'm just hoping I didn't duplicate any functionality in trying to make the composition less verbose and repetitive. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 07:15, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #248 is out: A higher meaning == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-15|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we discuss functions creating language fragments, we present our latest news in Types, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 14:36, 15 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30536976 --> == Translations == Yes, this question is probably easily answerable through a Web search, but I thought I'd ask here anyways. I am unfortunately not bilingual... I know Toki Pona, but it's a constructed language. I'd love to be a polyglot of some sorts but that is a future thing. I've been trying to translate pages into tok, for funsies mostly. At any rate, I want to convert some of the un-translated pages, namely Feeglgeef's policy drafts, into ones that can be translated (and then translate them into Toki Pona of course). I think I have to be a translation administrator for this? Which is a process that I'd have to ''apply'' for, and I doubt I have the credentials to be accepted for such a role. Regardless, is there a way I can go about this without having to do it through someone else? I can probably easily find documentation on marking pages for translation but I don't know how much I'm actually capable of doing as just a regular user. Should I apply? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 14:15, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :Most of the process of preparing a page for translation can be done by any editor. See [[:mw:Help:Extension:Translate/Page translation example]]. :The step of marking a page or translation for the first time or after changes must be done by a translation administrator. :I recommend learning the <nowiki><translate> and <tvar></nowiki> syntax and using it on a few pages before applying for this permission. After you do it on a few pages, and you feel confident, and you want to do it more, you can ask for the permission. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 14:28, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::Just to confirm, did I mark up [[Special:Diff/8138|this page]] for translation properly? I thought to give the hatnote its own <code>&lt;translate&gt;</code> enclosure so as to exclude the indent and italicization from needing to be included in the translatable text. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:10, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::Mostly properly, but don't exclude <code><nowiki>''</nowiki></code> for italics from translation. It's generally a good idea to exclude complex markup from translation because it's hard for many people to type, and it usually stays the same in translation anyway. <code><nowiki>''</nowiki></code> for italics is different, however: it's very simple to type and familiar to most editors; italic letters are used differently in different languages, and in some languages they aren't used at all, so translators need the freedom to use them appropriately; this markup can also appear in the middle of a translation unit and not only in the ends. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 15:35, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Thank you for the guidance. Should the italics be included if they are used over the entire hatnote? I figure that placement of italics should be left up to the discretion of the translators, but the hatnote itself is meant to be entirely italicized, I would think irrespective of the language it's in. Is this the right idea or should they still be kept within the translation unit? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:45, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::::Yes, italics should be included in the translation unit if they are used over the entire hatnote. Some languages don't use italic writing at all, so it shouldn't be forced. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:36, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :I'd support a translation administrator request ;), for reasons below. I'm not sure why we need a seperate translation administrator right, or why we have to call it an "administrator" (deciding that a page could be translated is a much less important role than, say, page deletion, or blocking). We picked three of them (well, one of them went through the WMF, so we picked two), [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=pagetranslation&user=&page=&excludetempacct=1&wpdate=&tagfilter=&wpfilters%5B%5D=newusers&wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist they don't appear very active, though], only marking 9 times this month, zero (0) of which were for pages marked for the first time. Both community translation admins used their global history and rights to get the role and only stop by occasionally, so having one who ''actually'' edits here would be nice. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:06, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::This reply echos my philosophy of a sort of wiki-[[Q166005|xenophobia]] (the term xenophobia is probably too harsh, and I wouldn't consider myself one in real life, but it's the best word I can think of), I generally distrust users with a lot of global rights (both global sysop etc. and large amounts of local rights) who come make [[m:Metapedianism|metapedian]] contributions, not as people but to their ability to handle Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia as incredibly unique and technically complex projects. I apologize if it my opinions come off as rude or ungrateful, I do appreciate the work of our translation administrators. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:26, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::You don't bother me, it's fine. I think they definitely have a place, they can be useful and they usually are. Obviously local admins and what have you that earned their roles through the trust and reputation of the specific community they are in are going to occupy a more trusting position in my mind than a global sysop or global ''anything''. Specialized role members are good and healthy in the long term; I think we are giving these privileges to global users sparingly as the project is still in its infancy and as core contributors emerge and take up key positions we will have a more well-rounded and self-sustaining community with less global privileges needed to take up certain tasks. Wikifunctions probably needed some Foundation members or other staff to act as functioneers initially while the general community was still orienting themselves with WikiLambda and working on applying for the role, but now we have [[f:Special:ListUsers/functioneer|74(!) of them]] and the number of normal members using their specialized skills outnumbers those who were "grandfathered" in (for lack of a better term) or similar. The wiki is young—it just needs time. I myself have been considering applying for sysop privileges since they are obviously needed (there being exactly Zero of them at the moment); I've been weighing the pros and cons of such a commitment, it's obviously a lot to take up. I wish your sysop request went through, I think you would have made a great admin here. I'm unsure of what others think of my capabilities, I'm rather in-and-out around these social spaces so I don't know if there's much to go off of. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:55, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Totally agree, and I'd support a sysopship request as well, though I'm apparently not good at assessing what the community considers supportable in admin candidate ;). ::::Off-topic, but interestingly, the sysop toolset allows you to grant yourself translation adminship. I'm not sure if sysops are expected not to grant themselves the permissions (kind of like how on enwiki 'crats are expected not grant themselves any rights without discussion despite having the technical rights), but I did it to myself on WF because [https://www.wikifunctions.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=84940 another sysop had]. Additionally, the functioneer right [[Special:ListGroupRights#functioneer|exists on this wiki]], with the same rights on WF, despite all of them not doing anything on this wiki. I believe this is because, on the technical side, both AW and WF are powered by the same MediaWiki extension (Wikilambda), with one wiki set to a mode for abstract articles and another set to a mode for ZObjects. [https://dag.wikipedia.org/wiki/Di%C5%8B%27gahim:ListGroupRights#functioneer Checking the Dagbani Wikipedia] supports this theory. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:00, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::::It always depends on the local policy. For Wikifunctions it is: ''Administrators do not need to undergo another discussion to become translation administrators; they can self-grant the rights to their account if necessary. Temporary administrators are not allowed to self-grant permanent translation administrator rights.'' :::::The availability of the functioneer right is a bug, see [[phab:T407066]]. --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 19:36, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::If you don't consider yourself a xenophobe in real life, I would recommend not calling yourself that here, or anywhere really. Especially since it was the ideological capture during the 2010s of the Croatian-language Wikipedia [[w:hr:]] by actual xenophobes that was part of the impetus for Abstract Wikipedia according to [https://simia.net/wiki/Draft:_Collaborating_on_the_sum_of_all_knowledge_across_languages#A_look_on_some_south_Slavic_language_Wikipedias Denny's blog]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 22:10, 26 May 2026 (UTC) == Policy drafts == Hi all! I've written some draft policies and guidelines over the last few days. We're not a bureaucracy, so the point is not to set some rules but to kick off some discussions as to how our wiki will work. So far, I've created: * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability|a notability guideline]] * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy|a deletion policy]] I've written them as my opinion on what should happen, but I'm hoping to align them with community consensus as we discuss them more. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:44, 21 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #249 is out: Annual plan 2026-2027 == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-23|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we present you the current draft of objectives for Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia in the WMF Annual Plan 2026-2027, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 09:48, 25 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30536976 --> == To abstract Wikipedia or be the Abstract Wikipedia == There is a discussion happening about what the [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability|notability criteria]] for Abstract Wikipedia should be, and in trying to participate I've found my idea of Abstract Wikipedia is awfully abstract. Is Abstract Wikipedia supposed to abstract Wikipedia, as in abstracting information from existing articles on the language Wikipedias (barring new contributions), or is it supposed to become the Abstract Wikipedia, supporting collaboration across all languages like it's the language Wikipedia to end all language Wikipedias (allowing new contributions)? I thought the answer would be obvious, but the name Abstract Wikipedia is a bit ambiguous. Am I missing something? [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 02:16, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :I think ({{ping|DVrandecic (WMF)|p=?}}) the idea is (and I personally prefer) the latter. I believe that, given the fact that it's much easier to write a concrete article than an abstract article, and the fact that the community of potential future contributors on enwiki is skeptical ''at best'', we ultimately will never expand beyond the size of other wikis, but I see no problem with allowing volunteers to add information not on other wikis (it's probably not the most effective, but they're volunteers, beggars can't be choosers), as long as it's not vandalism, useless, or promotional slop. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:31, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] Abstract Wikipedia is a Wikipedia, where people can collaborate across languages on articles, which can then be used to fill gaps in the existing Wikipedias. Whereas I expect that current Wikipedia articles might be used as a convenient starting point for many of the articles in Abstract Wikipedia, this is more a consequence of Wikipedia being one of the best places to go to to find reliable knowledge, but that is not part of how it is supposed to work. So, this is not to abstract the existing Wikipedias, but to collaborate on an Abstract Wikipedia. At no point is this meant to replace existing Wikipedias. (Thanks to @[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] for the ping!) --[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]] ([[User talk:DVrandecic (WMF)|talk]]) 17:01, 27 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you, this makes a lot more sense now. [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 21:52, 27 May 2026 (UTC) == template suggestion == Some way to mock abstract syntax on talk and project pages, analogous to those in [[d:category:format Template]]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 15:21, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :Hmm. I agree. :Workshopping ideas for how it works: :* Invokation: <nowiki>{{Call|Z26039|{"Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1"}|{"Z1K1": "Z6091", "Z6091K1": "Q634"}|{"Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1"}|lang=en}}</nowiki> :** This could then be suplemented by helper templates: <nowiki>{{Call|Z26039|{{Wikidata item argument reference}}|{{Wikidata item reference|Q634}}|{{Language argument reference}}}}</nowiki> :* This would result in "[[f:Z26039|subject is instance of (string)]] (wikidata item reference, [[d:Q634|planet]], language)" :** Icons are missing in this example, I'm not sure if we can actually add them :Thoughts? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:04, 27 May 2026 (UTC) == Marking NLG Default text == Some NLG functions give default texts, like [[f:Z33420|Z33420]] will give text like "Paris ∈ {city}". sometimes in other languages the English text is show. Currently there is no visual clue that these texts are not normal text in the requested language. I propose we mark these text with color <span style="color:magenta;">Paris ∈ {city}</span> with something like <nowiki><span style="color:magenta;">Paris ∈ {city}</span></nowiki>. To have this configurable/maintainable this could be included in a function, called NLG default text or so, with a text as input an a text in color as output. The exact formatting like magenta color or gray background or something else can be discussed/decided later. To have it even more configurable on personal stylesheets it could use a class like <nowiki><span class="NLG Default text">Paris ∈ {city}</span></nowiki>. What do you think? Could somebody make such a function already? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 12:00, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :The are technically just monolingual texts in a language called "multiple languages". I threw a prototype together really quickly, [[f:Z35839]]. It will accept strings, monolingual texts, and html fragments as input, so you have to select which type you want. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:59, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::OK, thanks, I added it to [[f:Z26039]] and works as expected, see [https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Z26039?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z26039%22%2C%22Z26039K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q64%22%7D%2C%22Z26039K2%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q515%22%7D%2C%22Z26039K3%22%3A%22Z1555%22%7D here]. The test for the function with default text now fails because it now is in magenta color. That was to be expected. I will leave the tests unchanged if that is OK with you, as we might need to change the exact formatting. ::Is it OK to add this to other NLG functions that produce default output? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 15:59, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :::Sure, [[w:en:WP:Be bold|be bold]]! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:50, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Ratification of the deletion policy proposal? == I haven't seen any unresolved objections to my proposal for a [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy|policy for deletion]]. Does anybody have any issues, and, if not, is it ok to ratify as an actual policy? I intend to remove the draft template and replace it with a policy template unless anyone voices any objection within a week. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:55, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :Is it just me or does [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Reasons for deletion]] render blank with only number bullets without the actual text after ''1.'' or ''2.''? [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 07:13, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::I see text. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 07:49, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::I can see on my phone, but it goes blank on my laptop. What is the role of ''<nowiki><span class="anchor" id="1"></nowiki>''? [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 12:15, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::::{{ping|Bunnypranav}} I can see the text everywhere (I tested connected and not connected, on my phone, laptop, with Chrome or Firefox ; what system do you use?). As the name suggest, the span anchor is here to create an HTML anchor, so you can do link like [[Abstract_Wikipedia:Deletion_policy#7]]. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 13:49, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I'm on Brave browser. Nevertheless, forget it. The culprit might be some random customization I did to my system which I cannot recollect. The reason is the span tag only though, tried a preview kicking out a text to just outside the tag and it worked. [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 14:23, 30 May 2026 (UTC) 3qwcpp8cp1pkcidnrsnur2fdm2on3mv 9219 9216 2026-05-30T14:56:22Z Feeglgeef 36 /* Ratification of the deletion policy proposal? */ Reply 9219 wikitext text/x-wiki {{#ifexist:Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat/Header/{{USERLANGUAGE}}|{{/Header/{{USERLANGUAGE}}}}|{{/Header}}}} {{/Archives}} <!-- Add your discussion below this line --> == Why don't we just structure this with wikitemplates? == I feel like the project could be done a lot better by using templates kind of like how wikipedia does them. Just the entire thing is templates that can be rendered in many languages. So like [[Q106289265]] would have the content <nowiki>{{Z26039|Q7257}}</nowiki> and could even have some aliasing done across languages so it could be <nowiki>{{subject is|Q7257}}</nowiki>. Code would be editable with a regular visual editor or code editor. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:34, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :This is available in pages when Parsoid rendering is enabled. We don't use this becuase it doesn't make sense for constructing and editing massive articles. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC) ::How do you do parsoid rendering? And why wouldn't it make sense? With aliases and everything could work great. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:12, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :::I believe it is enabled by default. If you do have it on: {{#function:Z10000|you'll s|ee this}} [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:54, 30 March 2026 (UTC) :you may be interested in reading this old [[m:Abstract_Wikipedia/Google.org_Fellows_evaluation|Google report]]. [[User:BrokenSegue|BrokenSegue]] ([[User talk:BrokenSegue|talk]]) 14:32, 9 May 2026 (UTC) == Why the editing API doesn't work == {{tracked|T423542}} Immanuelle wrongly stated that there is no REST API for editing. [[#REST API for editing?|There is]]. However, it does not work when called from software outside Abstract Wikipedia. That is because there is no way to grant a bot password or OAuth customer the permission to edit abstract articles (<code>wikilambda-abstract-edit</code>) and create them (<code>wikilambda-abstract-create</code>), since no grant on [[Special:ListGrants]] includes either. Should this be fixed? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 01:57, 26 April 2026 (UTC) :Yes I think the rights should be added. I think the number of automated edits should be low at the moment as Abstract Wikipedia is still in an early phase and so far there is not much support for small languages and so many functions will maybe change to cover more languages. As automatic editing using a Bot Account requires an formal request it is no problem if the option exists. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 18:17, 26 April 2026 (UTC) :Sounds good to me. Could we add a bot section to [[Abstract Wikipedia:Requests for permissions]]? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:35, 5 May 2026 (UTC) ::[[Abstract_Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions#Bot]] ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 23:56, 5 May 2026 (UTC) == Q884 == The page [[Q884]] has inaccurate statements about the head of government and the head of state of South Korea. Part of what it returns in English is "Lee Ju-ho is the head of government of South Korea.Park Geun-hye is the head of state of South Korea." However, neither Lee Ju-ho nor Park Geun-hye currently have their respective roles mentioned here. How should these statements be turned into ones using the past tense? [[User:Intolerable situation|Intolerable situation]] ([[User talk:Intolerable situation|talk]]) 14:44, 30 April 2026 (UTC) :not currently possible :((((( [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:46, 30 April 2026 (UTC) :Feeglgeef is correct, past tense sentence generation is something we are sorely lacking at the moment. If you look at [[f:WF:Type proposals#Representing abstract content|Wikifunctions' type proposals]] you can see some initiatives that could hopefully mitigate this. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 13:49, 1 May 2026 (UTC) == Abstract Wikipedia should use a different mw-wiki-logo than Wikipedia for Vector 2010 skin == {{Tracked|T424781}} Hello friends. I've been asked to start a community conversation about this. I'd like to propose that Abstract Wikipedia create its own logo, so that folks visiting this wiki don't get it mixed up with Wikipedia. Even though this project is under the Wikipedia domain, I think it's pretty unique and it'd make sense to make sure it doesn't get mixed up with enwiki or other Wikipedias by newbies googling for Wikipedia articles. Thoughts? Thanks. [[User:Novem Linguae|Novem Linguae]] ([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]]) 12:02, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :Isn't there already one? Are we talking about a logo in a different context? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 12:25, 1 May 2026 (UTC) ::Looks like this is just for the Vector 2010 skin. [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia:Main_page?useskin=vector Example.] I'll edit this section and the ticket to clarify that. [[User:Novem Linguae|Novem Linguae]] ([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]]) 12:28, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :::Ah, thank you, I'd {{s}} this then. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 12:31, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :This has been raised before above in [[#Logo]], the same problem appears on Monobook. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 13:45, 1 May 2026 (UTC) ::Would you support using [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/static/images/mobile/copyright/abstractwiki-wordmark.svg the Vector 2022 logo] on Vector 2010 and Monobook? That'd be a simple technical solution. [[User:Novem Linguae|Novem Linguae]] ([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]]) 14:02, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :::Yes, I see no issue with using that for the moment. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 14:04, 1 May 2026 (UTC) == What would it take for AW to catch up to (English) Reasonator? Porting over functions? == The Wikidata tool [https://reasonator.toolforge.org Reasonator] already automatically creates several sentences in English describing human Wikidata items using [https://codeberg.org/magnusmanske/reasonator/commit/b506362c3c2e90b32de32708ec668eee49603cb0 auto_long_desc.js] under [https://codeberg.org/magnusmanske/reasonator/src/commit/a6ee9095c3accfb67845caf438ce83c98c19e38e/LICENSE a GPL 2.0 free software license] without using any large language model or other AI. Abstract Wikipedia, on the other hand, requires [[Help:How to create an article/en|a several step process just to create a lead sentence]]. Does Resonator have functions in [https://codeberg.org/magnusmanske/reasonator/src/commit/a6ee9095c3accfb67845caf438ce83c98c19e38e/public_html/auto_long_desc.js#L406 the English section of auto_long_desc.js] that Wikifunctions doesn't have at the moment? Is that what's preventing Abstract Wikipedia from auto-generating substantial text (at least in English) based off of Wikidata like Resonator does? Below is [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q1339&lang=en an example of what Resonator can generate from Wikidata] without needing human edits the way Abstract Wikipedia does. (Though I omitted some children for the sake of brevity.) <blockquote> '''Johann Sebastian Bach''' was a [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=696651 Saxe-Eisenach]-[https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=12548 Holy Roman Empire]-[https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=183 German] [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=36834 composer], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=765778 organist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=5371902 harpsichordist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=1259917 violinist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=899758 violist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=158852 conductor], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=1076502 choir director], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=691031 concertmaster], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=14915627 musicologist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=16145150 music educator], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=214970 virtuoso], and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=2251335 school teacher]. He was born on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1685-03-21 March 21, 1685] in [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=7070 Eisenach] to [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=309470 Johann Ambrosius Bach] and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=66671 Maria Elisabeth Lämmerhirt]. He studied at [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=1930161 St. Michael's School] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1702-04 April 1702]. His field of work included [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=8361 Baroque music] and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=9730 classical music]. He was [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=215793 chapelmaster] from [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1717-12 December 1717] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1723-04 April 1723] and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=641457 Thomaskantor] from [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1723 1723] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1750 1750]. He worked for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=117540 Collegium Musicum], for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=1230608 Saint Blaise], for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=61689 Leopold, Prince of Anhalt-Köthen], for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=61972 Johann Ernst III, Duke of Saxe-Weimar] from [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1703-01 January 1703] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1703-08 August 1703], for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=699668 Thomasschule zu Leipzig], and for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=798194 Bachkirche Arnstadt] from [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1703-08 August 1703] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1707 1707]. He married [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=57487 Maria Barbara Bach] on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1707-10-17 October 17, 1707] (married until on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1720-07-07 July 7, 1720] ) and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=57212 Anna Magdalena Bach] on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1721-12-03 December 3, 1721] (married until on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1750-07-28 July 28, 1750] ). His children include [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=15079141 Catharina Dorothea Bach], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=107277 Wilhelm Friedemann Bach], […] He died of [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=12202 stroke] on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1750-07-28 July 28, 1750] in [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=2079 Leipzig]. He was buried at [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=170402 St. Thomas Church]. </blockquote> [[User:Lovelano|Lovelano]] ([[User talk:Lovelano|talk]]) 18:41, 1 May 2026 (UTC) == Project scope == Might be a stupid question but what articles are/will be allowed on Abstract Wikipedia? How far is it meant to expand? The language Wikipedias have some differing policies, so might not be as simple as copying those. Personally I find the idea of creating an article for any and every Wikidata item really cool and a good ''baseline'' for what can have an article, but wouldn't ~120 million abstract articles become unwieldy? If the only requirement is that the article topic has a Wikidata item, then there are many interesting possibilities; one could write about individual dates, Wikidata test items, even Wikimedia disambiguation pages. Have not found where this is explained, if anywhere. This may be up to common sense, but trouble is, couldn't one create an encyclopedically meaningful article on just about anything? Pretty important policy not to have if it's undecided, though is not a problem at the moment. Just wondering. [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 23:36, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :This isn't a stupid question and I don't think this is entirely settled. Have you seen [[Abstract Wikipedia:About]]? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 23:57, 1 May 2026 (UTC) ::Ah, I forgot about that page. So it is meant to abstract information from existing Wikipedia articles? Makes sense, though it still raises the question of creating new articles. [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 00:41, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::At this juncture, I don't think anyone has in mind drafting anything new here as such: this is just responding to existing Wikidata items and the possibility of new Wikipedia articles drafted from them, using Wikifunctions. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 00:51, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :I don't think we ever get any article an existing wiki does not have. Even if abstract content creation gets as fast as reasonably possible, it will never beat out typing text, so we will never catch up with, say, enwiki or eswiki. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:10, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::It's also a question of policy. There are topics about which things could be said, but which wouldn't meet the baseline notability or other criteria of the big monolingual wikis. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:22, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::This is true, if we keep [[d:]]'s notability policy (which seems like the most natural one) then there are many subjects that we theoretically can talk about that don't meet the [[w:WP:GNG|GNG]] and similar guidelines. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:25, 2 May 2026 (UTC) == How many articles in how many languages are actually fully available without errors == This is a response to the call in [[:f:Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-02]]. The most important thing to count is already listed there: '''How many articles in how many languages are actually fully available without errors?''' It should be not just a count, but a list: I want to see which articles are readable in which languages; which articles are readable in some languages, but not others (which ones?); which articles are not readable in any language; etc. An even more relevant, but much harder to measure thing is how many of those articles are actually more useful than not having an article at all. There is no article about Boston in many languages, but [[Q100]], which currently says "Boston is the capital of Massachusetts.Boston is the largest city of Massachusetts." is not significantly more useful than nothing at all even if it's fully rendered in another language in which there is no concrete article about it. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 12:12, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :Perhaps this should have been on the talk page of that status update instead of the project chat? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:25, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::The status update is about two projects and so I can understand if there are comments here. What do you think about creating a status update overview page with links to the status updates in Abstract Wikipedia to offer the possibility to discuss the status updates and especially things related to Abstract Wikipedia there. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 18:57, 4 May 2026 (UTC) :::I don't think that's necessary. You can just include your abstractwiki (as in, the live wiki, not the project) related comments on the page on [[f:]], or, if for some reason that's not possible, as a reply to the newsletter announcement here. The point is, the project chat is crowded enough with topics as it is, ideally it should be more focussed on general matters of discussion than close-ended enquiries about topics that have their own talk page. I find Amire80's use of a new == heading here to be improper. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:32, 4 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #246 is out: Request for input: what should we count for Abstract Wikipedia == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-02|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we ask you what would be the relevant metrics for Abstract Wikipedia, we discuss our latest news on Composition Language v2, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 12:21, 2 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30325620 --> == Spaces between sentences, another attempt == [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat#Extra spaces between sentences|A month ago]], @[[User:内存溢出的猫|内存溢出的猫]]<ref group="spaces3>According to Google Translate, it's pronounced "Nèicún yìchū de māo". Please correct me if it's wrong. When I write, I want to know how are things that I write pronounced aloud, and very unfortunately, I never learned to read Chinese characters, and even if I did, most English speakers probably didn't. Come to think of it, is there a function that ''reliably'' transliterates Chinese characters?</ref> That discussion doesn't seem to have yielded any fixes or meaningful discussions, at least not that I can see. [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat#Spaces between sentences|Two weeks ago]], I tried to bring up a similar topic, but that discussion somehow got derailed and also didn't yield anything useful. Now, the problem looks differently, but it's still a problem. When I look at [[Q10251]], for example, what I see is four sentences that ''appear'' with ''no'' spaces between them. Not one, not two—none at all. It looks like this: :Plasma is a fundamental state of matter.Plasma is a classical state of matter.A plasma is a gas.A plasma is a matter. Note that I emphasized ''appear'': When I see them rendered on the screen, they have no spaces between them. In the HTML, however, they are represented as four <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>s, and their inline positioning is handled by CSS. This means, for example, that if I copy and paste them, I don't get a long string with no spaces after full stops, but four sentences with a single line break after each full stop: <poem> Plasma is a fundamental state of matter. Plasma is a classical state of matter. A plasma is a gas. A plasma is a matter. </poem> This is not how it is supposed to be done. <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>s are supposed to be used for block elements and not hacked into appearing as if they are inline (also known as phrasing). Spaces between sentences are supposed to be real characters rather than HTML and CSS tricks, they may be different in different languages, and in some languages they may be nothing at all. I hope that the definition of the problem is clear. <references group="spaces3"></references> [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 12:49, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :Hi, have a look at it [[Special:PermanentLink/7132|now]]. Does this match your expectations? I think it's not rendering right now for whatever reason, but there are other examples of it being done this way that you can see: [[Q241691]]. The article renders properly in both English (spaces between sentences) and Japanese (no spaces at all). : :'''English:''' :<blockquote>Programmed Data Processor is a computer model series by Digital Equipment Corporation. PDP-8 is a Programmed Data Processor.</blockquote> :'''Japanese:''' :<blockquote>PDPシリーズはディジタル・イクイップメント・コーポレーションによるコンピュータ・モデル・シリーズである。PDP-8はPDPシリーズである。</blockquote> : :I have some, err, strong opinions about [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]]'s 「Abstract Wikipedia Editor」 tool, which is the predominant cause for all of these very janky and poorly-laid-out articles that you see. This is not how an article ought to be written on Abstract Wikipedia, and I and other editors are aware of this. If you see these problems, please do fix them! The wiki will be all the better for it. : :In the absence of consensus on such things as these (and awaiting any official policy pages) I have written [[f:User:Theki/best practices]] on my Wikifunctions userpage. You are welcome to read it if you wish. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:20, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::The output of [[Q241691]] looks OK to me in this regard. How was it done? ::[[Q10251]] gives me an error. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:10, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::WikiLambda is doing WikiLambda things. This WASI time limit error happens intermittently on Abstract Wikipedia articles and it usually goes away after a short while. The only thing is that it doesn't really seem like purging these articles does anything to force the orchestrator to retry its evaluation so the article might not render that paragraph until someone comes in and pokes at it by editing it somehow. ::: :::The working article uses the [[f:Z33068|''paragraph from sentences'']] function to lay out its individual sentence content. This function automatically handles converting any and all text-like objects (strings, HTML fragments, and monolingual text) to a consistent form, so sentence fragments can all be supplied verbatim to its list input. When the function is putting the sentences together it defaults to using a single space to separate them, but first checks if the requested language is in the [[f:Z33984|''languages without spaces between sentences'']] list. If it is, it doesn't add spaces at all, and just concatenates the sentences normally. I hope this explanation makes sense. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 18:19, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::::It makes some sense, but earlier, you suggested: "If you see these problems, please do fix them", and I'm not entirely sure how to do it. How would I fix it in [[Q100]], for example? [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 19:41, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::::In this case you would do the following: :::::# At the bottom, click the plus and then 「Add empty fragment」. :::::# Set the function to [[f:Z33068]], as mentioned earlier. :::::# Now go through each sentence fragment, find the innermost sentence-generation function, click on the three dots, and copy it. Do not copy the calls to [[f:Z29749]] or similar, these are not necessary. :::::# Go to the ''paragraph with sentences'' function call and add an element to the list. :::::# Click on the three dots next to the new element, and paste in the earlier sentence fragment. :::::# You can now delete the original fragment and repeat the process in the same list for the one after it. :::::&mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 19:46, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Theki|Theki]] I intend on fixing it, I recently made an attempt but the suggested fixes made problems worse. Do you have any practical suggestions of how to structure the templates? I will try to implement them when I have more time. ::Also your name is very confusing, are you in the process of getting it changed wiki-wide? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:36, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::Um, are you referring to my signature not matching my wiki username? I have considered for a long time changing it from ''theki'', but I don't feel like putting in the effort when it seems to be perfectly ignorable for most people. The user 「''Rae''」 can't be usurped because they made, like, two or three articles on the Persian Wikipedia two decades ago or something, I don't know. If that weren't the case I would be User:Rae right now but after that failed to go through I just decided to stop bothering. Maybe at some point I'll come up with a username I'm happy with keeping for the foreseeable future but I have other concerns at the moment. :::Could you explain how your attempted fixes 「made problems worse」? Presently I side with Feeglgeef's sentiments and prefer to wait for abstract content to actually be feasible to make on a reasonably descriptive scale (see: the type proposals) before I go around making articles willy-nilly, which is what AWE has been doing—making a bunch of pretty low-quality articles on a massive scale when it probably ''really'' would have been better to, err, hold off on that. :::And I honestly know very little about the actual workings of your editor, I don't really use it nor am I familiar with its template syntax or whatever it may use, so I'm going to look over how it actually works and then get back to you on that. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 23:28, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Using this [[f:Z33068]] made things worse [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 00:44, 3 May 2026 (UTC) :::::That did not go through correctly but I do not think we have a proper thing for it. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 00:45, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::What? Could you elaborate? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 01:00, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::{{ping|Immanuelle}} I checked. Your issue is that your editor is not providing the article language to Z33068K2; that is, the ''paragraph from sentences'' function has a second argument, and your editor was omitting it. If you properly specify it, it will work. Please, next time, actually tell me what went wrong instead of going quiet and forcing me to look after it myself. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:06, 4 May 2026 (UTC) :I avoid [[f:Z33068]] for now, because executing a whole paragraph in a single call would often time out. So my current alternative is inserting [[f:Z35672]] between sentences. Fairly clunky, but it works... --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 06:08, 28 May 2026 (UTC) ::Can you categorize the talk pages of articles you're doing that with? It has major accessibility concerns for our friends using screen readers, so it'd be nice to be able to find those with issues when were able to fix the calls [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:50, 28 May 2026 (UTC) :::I think the new tool can show us this (via dumps). For example, here are the uses of 'paragraph': https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/zid/Z32123 --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 23:07, 28 May 2026 (UTC) ::::There's more than one way to not use spaces correctly and more than one way to use spaces correctly, this wouldn't catch all of them. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:13, 28 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I'm not totally sure what you want to track, but I'm confident that this will find all my uses. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 02:10, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::::I think it slipped past everyone's notice, but I made a template for linking to that sort of information @ [[Template:Zd|<nowiki>{{</nowiki>zd<nowiki>}}</nowiki>]]. {{zd|Z35672|sentence separator}} <span style="font-size:smaller;opacity:0.8">(I don't think the database dumps have noticed the function you're using yet, so it's a 404 at the moment.)</span> &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 01:09, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Most used fragments == [[:f:Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-02|The latest status update]] lists the most used fragments: "[[:f:Z32123]] with 1452, followed by [[:f:Z27868]] with 736 and [[:f:Z29749]] with 650)". How was this calculated? [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 13:44, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :Again, this should definitely have been on the talk page for that status update. This isn't the everything page, it should be used for discussion relating to the wiki. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:26, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::It's not a question just about the status update, even if it was prompted by it. It's a question about Abstract Wikipedia that can be relevant beyond the status update. ::Stop policing how people use discussion pages without a particularly good reason. If you don't have an answer to the actual question, don't write anything. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 19:38, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::I have to agree with Feeglgeef that this would be better raised on the status update's talk page itself. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 19:42, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::I'm "policing" which discussion pages are being used for the same reason different discussion spaces exist in the first place. And your distinction between "just about" and "prompted by" is irrelevant. If I want to ask someone how they did something, I would ask them first, not go to a general discussion board. This is still the project ''chat'', not a Q&A zone. {{ping|DVrandecic (WMF)|p=,}} can you please answer the question? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:22, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :I have a local script that I have run on a local copy. Nothing more complicated than that. Could also be very wrong -- the script hasn't been peer-reviewed or anything. --[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]] ([[User talk:DVrandecic (WMF)|talk]]) 08:54, 4 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thanks, @[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]]. Can you share the code, please? I'll be happy to review it. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 15:30, 4 May 2026 (UTC) ==Wiktionary integration== I was trying out a few functions recently, such as [https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z27243 the new superlative function], and I noticed that ''every adjective'' has to be a Wikidata item. For example, I couldn't type in the inputs "Bugatti Veyron", "fast", "Earth" because "fast" as an adjective is not a Wikidata item. This doesn't really make sense, given that Wiktionary already has the word for "fast" and its superlative form in many different languages. Would it be possible to integrate Wiktionary into the function, so the user can type an adjective or verb from Wiktionary instead of having to deal with Wikidata (which consists almost entirely of nouns)? [[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] ([[User talk:Somepinkdude|talk]]) 16:49, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :No, sadly. I would try "speed" as the adjective, though, you have to use abstract qualities instead of concrete English terms. [[File:Wikifunctions Superlative speed example.png|thumb|Here's an example of the word being used.]] [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:02, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :Wikidata has standard items as well as lexeme data, so if anything, we should try to integrate those. E.g. [[:d:Lexeme:L1029]]. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 19:48, 6 May 2026 (UTC) ::I tried this, and it gave "Bugatti Veyron is the speedest car on Earth", which is laughably bad. The problem is that Wikidata does not "know" what the superlative form is, while Wiktionary does. Speed is a fairly common descriptor, but what about less common adjectives which aren't on Wikidata? Will there need to be a bot to copy all of this information from Wiktionary? [[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] ([[User talk:Somepinkdude|talk]]) 22:14, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :::I'm not suggesting that the functionality works <em>now</em>, but that we need to integrate the funcationality. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 22:17, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :::Well, no, the superlative form is chosen by [[f:Z12203]]. I think there's a bug with the English implementation that calls that function wrong. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:19, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] I did find the item {{Q|Q19807466}} which was linked to a concept database's entry for "fast"; I have at least linked it to the English lexeme "fast" and will try to add more links at a better hour. [[User:Mahir256|Mahir256]] ([[User talk:Mahir256|talk]]) 04:18, 7 May 2026 (UTC) == Showcase == I was wondering if there's a curated list of decent articles to learn by example here on Abstract Wikipedia? [[User:Fgnievinski|Fgnievinski]] ([[User talk:Fgnievinski|talk]]) 02:02, 8 May 2026 (UTC) :Unfortunately not, and, honestly, I wouldn't recommend article creation at the moment, it's likely to need significant refactoring as the way we represent abstract content changes, but, I can point you to [[Q668]] as a reasonably good example at the moment. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:39, 8 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you. "308 languages" blew my mind – well done! [[User:Fgnievinski|Fgnievinski]] ([[User talk:Fgnievinski|talk]]) 02:54, 8 May 2026 (UTC) :::308 is the number of ''concrete'' Wikipedias in which a manually-written article about India is available. :::The abstract article renders for me in English as "India is a country in Asia. India is a republic. New Delhi is the capital of India. India is the most populous country in world." Switching to another language to get rendered as an abstract article is done by typing the language's name in the box above the rendered text. I tried French, German, and Dutch, and got errors in all of them. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 03:12, 8 May 2026 (UTC) ::::So it goes. The paragraph has quite a lot of distinct sentence generation functions, all of which of course have to be implemented in the target language. This will be rounded out once we're able to more effectively generalize linguistic content. I view these functions as sort of patchy temporary solutions to the sentence generation problem while we figure out something more robust, which I hope is soon to come. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 04:15, 8 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #247 is out: References from Wikidata now available == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-08|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we announce that is now possible to pass references in Wikidata statements, we introduce the [https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/ Abstract Data dashboard], we report you on the presentation about Abstract Wikipedia at WikiCon Australia, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Also, we remind you that if you have questions or ideas to discuss, the next '''Volunteers' Corner''' will be held on '''[https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1778520600 May 11, at 17:30 UTC]''' ([https://meet.google.com/xuy-njxh-rkw link to the meeting]). Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 11:16, 8 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30325620 --> == about the usage of Z33068 == The use of [[f:Z33068]] (en: paragraph from sentences) <s>always</s> most of the time results in the error "Reached time limit in orchestrator." So should it be used at all for now, temporarily? Or maybe there are already some tickets about this that I am not aware of? -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 18:23, 10 May 2026 (UTC) :It previously worked, so I'm hoping whatever the issue is will be fixed soon. The current state of the wiki makes [[m:Immediatism|immediatism]] an illogical philosophy to have at the moment, in my opinion. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:16, 10 May 2026 (UTC) ::This issue seems to no longer exist, you might need to clear the cache by making a dummy edit on affected articles. I implemented the function in Python (instead of composition), which has increased the speed by about 2000 ms. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 04:31, 11 May 2026 (UTC) :::Seems like working. Thank you. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 19:06, 11 May 2026 (UTC) == Manual of Style == I've created a [[Abstract Wikipedia:Manual of Style|draft for a Manual of Style]]. Please feel free to comment on or make bold edits to the page. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:29, 11 May 2026 (UTC) :Thank you! That’s great and I’ll look at it more soon. I’m still taking a bit of a wikibreak. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:32, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :Is there anything I've written [[f:User:Theki/best_practices#Abstract_Wikipedia|here]] that you think would make for a good technical section of the page? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 00:04, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::I've added some of them. Thank you for your list of best practices by the way, I generally agree with them (I can't endorse connecting WD items currently in hope of a better technical solution, but otherwise I do). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 00:58, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Proposals on the architecture of Abstract Content rendering == Starting from a discussion born on the Wikifunctions Telegram chat, I've explained two different proposals on how the NLG on Abstract Wikipedia should be organized in the page [[User:Dv103/Abstract articles architectures]]. Please come to contribute to the discussion, or to propose alternatives. [[User:Dv103|Dv103]] ([[User talk:Dv103|talk]]) 14:32, 11 May 2026 (UTC) == [[MediaWiki:Wikimedia-copyright-footer]] == The copyright message has a few issues, mainly that it does not address abstract content (which is not "text"), nor object labels (which are under CC0). Proposed text: "<nowiki> Text and abstract content are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License]; the labels of objects from [[f:|Wikifunctions]] are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ Creative Commons CC0 License]; additional terms may apply. See [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Terms_of_Use Terms of Use] for details. </nowiki>" Which, when rendered, looks like: Text and abstract content are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License]; the labels of objects from [[f:|Wikifunctions]] are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ Creative Commons CC0 License]; additional terms may apply. See [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Terms_of_Use Terms of Use] for details. The message is somewhat inspired by the current one and WF's. Thoughts? Thank you! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:30, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: As you probably imagine, this text is very tightly controlled by the Wikimedia Foundation's Legal department. I think the first port of call should be a discussion about why you might want to change things, rather than a rush to specific re-wordings, before approaching them for sign-off. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 14:28, 12 May 2026 (UTC) ::Well I briefly summarized my justification, my proposed text was just an idea for a starting point. Basically, the abstract content is not really "text", so the footer doesn't actually tell the reader what they're allowed to do with it, and I argue that the current wording implies that the labels are licensed under CC-BY-SA 4, when they aren't. I think a change is critical as otherwise we're not showing the reader a license, or, arguably, in the case of labels, showing users a license that ''does not apply'', which is a pretty bad thing. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:51, 12 May 2026 (UTC) == [[MediaWiki:AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions.json]] == I'd think we should add [[f:Z33068]] here. The function allows you to form a paragraph out of sentences and handles languages having different standards of whether to add a space between them, and adding it here would make finding it easier. I'm not sure what policy we want to have for the suggested functions, this idea might help formulate it. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:06, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :[[User:Jdforrester (WMF)]] tells me the page has been changed to [[Special:CommunityConfiguration/AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions]] on the telegram. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:25, 12 May 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: Yup, see the weekly update on [[f:Wikifunctions:Status_updates/2026-05-02|2026-05-02]]. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 16:35, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :I also believe Z33068 should be added to the list. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:25, 12 May 2026 (UTC) {{done}} see [[Special:Diff/7692]]. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 09:08, 20 May 2026 (UTC) == Abstract Wikipedia statistics site source code == https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/ is a very useful tool, but it doesn't seem to have anything pointing to the location of its source code. Is it closed-source or unfree? While I'm at it I feel I should suggest having language pages' paths formatted differently from how they are currently—at the moment it's <code>/languages/Toki%20Pona</code> when something like <code>/languages/tok</code> would be more suitable. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; : See [[:gitlab:toolforge-repos/abstract-data]]. Also pinging {{ping|DSantamaria-WMF|p=}} (thanks for the tool, by the way). [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 00:25, 13 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you. I think a link to that repository should be put in a footer somewhere on the website as I wouldn't have found that if not for you. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 02:30, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::{{ping|Theki}} For the record, I found that repo by searching for "abstract-data" on [[:toolhub:|Toolhub]]. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 03:34, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::Thanks for the feedback and the report, fixed both things, we have now the link to the repo in the side bar footer, and also the language codes are used in the URLs. Thanks! [[User:DSantamaria-WMF|DSantamaria-WMF]] ([[User talk:DSantamaria-WMF|talk]]) 11:46, 13 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Are you particularly attached to keeping country flag emojis next to the language names? Some consider it an [https://flagsarenotlanguages.com/blog anti-pattern]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 16:17, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I think the use of flags is not really harmful since this is not a ''language selector'', it is just a list of languages. Of course not every language has an associated flag, for example Latin, which does look a bit awkward, but it can't be helped. Maybe give languages without a flag a unique icon from Wikimedia Commons? e.g. <div style="display:inline-flex;align-items:center;border:1px solid #0002;border-radius:4px;gap:4px;padding:4px;">[[File:Toki pona.svg|16px]] Toki Pona</div> instead of <div style="display:inline-flex;align-items:center;border:1px solid #0002;border-radius:4px;gap:4px;padding:4px;"><span>🌐</span>Toki Pona</div>. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 16:37, 14 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::I thought I saw 🏛️ being used for Latin earlier. But of course, as far as the Unicode Consortium is concerned, [[Q65300415|🇬🇧]] doesn't mean '[[Q1680|English]]', no more than [[Q100587670|🏳️‍🌈]] means '[[Q1359130|Polari]]'; technically, it doesn't even mean '[[Q145|United Kingdom]]', just the letters 🇺 and 🇰 next to each other (which linguistically would indicate [[Q8798|Ukrainian]] in ISO 639, but these are 'regional indicator symbols'). [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 17:21, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::As seems (from this comment and also [[f:User_talk:DSantamaria-WMF#c-%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4-20260513063700-Country_flags_in_abstract-data|others' comments]]) that flags are a little bit controversial, I just removed them, IMHO it was just an aesthetic concept, I like the look and feel that flags bring to the language labels, but happy to remove them if make some people feel uncomfortable with the concept. [[User:DSantamaria-WMF|DSantamaria-WMF]] ([[User talk:DSantamaria-WMF|talk]]) 05:54, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Make it more user Friendly == Make it more user-friendly by adding drag-and-drop compenots and one click additions, and make it similar to a visual macro buidler. [[User:ChippyTechGH|ChippyTechGH]] ([[User talk:ChippyTechGH|talk]]) 01:00, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :Could you file something like this on [[phab:|phabricator]]? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:01, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Person infoboxes == Hi all, I've just created [[f:Z35167|infobox for person (Z35167)]]. All it can really do presently is display the name of the person in the chosen language and in the person's native language, but it's a good start. I started writing it as a composition but chose to switch to writing it in JavaScript instead, which ended up being less headache-inducing (managing a large list of strings to concatenate together is not fun, plus compositions bring lots of additional overhead). Unfortunately, this means that the actual ''useful'' parts of the infobox—the information about the person themself—is not really doable. I'd need to dereference the Wikidata property references to get their label in the requested language, but since they're references and I'm working with code, not compositions, I can't just call [[f:Z6822|fetch Wikidata property (Z6822)]] and be done with it. If there's a WikiLambda API to do this inside of the JS itself that would be great and would solve everything, but at the moment that alone is what's holding it back, or so it seems. I can get the actual ''values'' of statements just fine, though. If I am missing some amazing WikiLambda API function that will solve this problem for me by letting me dereference the PID, then please let me know because that would be great. If you want to look at an example of the infobox right meow, you can view [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/tok/Q317521 Q317521 in Toki Pona] and see how it states Musk's name in both Toki Pona ''and'' his native English name. COOL! My hope is that this can be made less barebones in the near future. Infoboxes are a great way to get quick information on a subject and can fill in the informational gaps in the presently sparse articles we have at the moment, all while staying in the user's requested language. Feedback is appreciated! &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 02:58, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :Thank you for this! I wonder if perhaps it would be better to create one "infobox" function and then have compositions call that, making wd retrival possible? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:38, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::Working on that at the moment, I think I've got it working but I'm hitting a ratelimit in the orchestrator so I don't know for sure. The main issue with it now is that the actual [[f:Z35175|infobox template (Z35175)]] wrapper was programmed in JS so as to not be a pain in the ass, so this means that it can only take in strings, HTML fragments, etc. so the retrieval of Wikidata stuff still needs to be done by the caller and is rather verbose (see [[f:Z35168|the main implementation]]). The niceties will come soon later once I know that it all works at a lower level, though. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 05:04, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::So the problem now seems to be that when [[f:Z29825|label of Wikidata property in language (Z29825)]] isn't being faulty, it's being incredibly slow. Considering retrieving Wikidata items from their references seems to take, like, four to five seconds, and we'll have tens of statements in these infoboxes, I don't see how the property names could be retrieved in a way that doesn't cause the orchestrator to time out or hit a ratelimit. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 06:01, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::I think I figured something out? I'm just going to try calling [[f:Z35036|fetch Wikidata property or parts (Z35036)]], it seems to be much faster for whatever reason. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 06:05, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::It works now, a little rough around the edges, also very slow, but I think I'm mostly happy with it. Of course it would be great if all you needed to provide to the template function to get a label-statement row was the property reference itself, but I'm too sleep-deprived to figure that out at the moment. I made five bespoke functions specifically for this infobox, more than I would like, but it's probably not ''that'' bad. I'm just hoping I didn't duplicate any functionality in trying to make the composition less verbose and repetitive. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 07:15, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #248 is out: A higher meaning == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-15|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we discuss functions creating language fragments, we present our latest news in Types, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 14:36, 15 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30536976 --> == Translations == Yes, this question is probably easily answerable through a Web search, but I thought I'd ask here anyways. I am unfortunately not bilingual... I know Toki Pona, but it's a constructed language. I'd love to be a polyglot of some sorts but that is a future thing. I've been trying to translate pages into tok, for funsies mostly. At any rate, I want to convert some of the un-translated pages, namely Feeglgeef's policy drafts, into ones that can be translated (and then translate them into Toki Pona of course). I think I have to be a translation administrator for this? Which is a process that I'd have to ''apply'' for, and I doubt I have the credentials to be accepted for such a role. Regardless, is there a way I can go about this without having to do it through someone else? I can probably easily find documentation on marking pages for translation but I don't know how much I'm actually capable of doing as just a regular user. Should I apply? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 14:15, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :Most of the process of preparing a page for translation can be done by any editor. See [[:mw:Help:Extension:Translate/Page translation example]]. :The step of marking a page or translation for the first time or after changes must be done by a translation administrator. :I recommend learning the <nowiki><translate> and <tvar></nowiki> syntax and using it on a few pages before applying for this permission. After you do it on a few pages, and you feel confident, and you want to do it more, you can ask for the permission. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 14:28, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::Just to confirm, did I mark up [[Special:Diff/8138|this page]] for translation properly? I thought to give the hatnote its own <code>&lt;translate&gt;</code> enclosure so as to exclude the indent and italicization from needing to be included in the translatable text. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:10, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::Mostly properly, but don't exclude <code><nowiki>''</nowiki></code> for italics from translation. It's generally a good idea to exclude complex markup from translation because it's hard for many people to type, and it usually stays the same in translation anyway. <code><nowiki>''</nowiki></code> for italics is different, however: it's very simple to type and familiar to most editors; italic letters are used differently in different languages, and in some languages they aren't used at all, so translators need the freedom to use them appropriately; this markup can also appear in the middle of a translation unit and not only in the ends. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 15:35, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Thank you for the guidance. Should the italics be included if they are used over the entire hatnote? I figure that placement of italics should be left up to the discretion of the translators, but the hatnote itself is meant to be entirely italicized, I would think irrespective of the language it's in. Is this the right idea or should they still be kept within the translation unit? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:45, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::::Yes, italics should be included in the translation unit if they are used over the entire hatnote. Some languages don't use italic writing at all, so it shouldn't be forced. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:36, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :I'd support a translation administrator request ;), for reasons below. I'm not sure why we need a seperate translation administrator right, or why we have to call it an "administrator" (deciding that a page could be translated is a much less important role than, say, page deletion, or blocking). We picked three of them (well, one of them went through the WMF, so we picked two), [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=pagetranslation&user=&page=&excludetempacct=1&wpdate=&tagfilter=&wpfilters%5B%5D=newusers&wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist they don't appear very active, though], only marking 9 times this month, zero (0) of which were for pages marked for the first time. Both community translation admins used their global history and rights to get the role and only stop by occasionally, so having one who ''actually'' edits here would be nice. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:06, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::This reply echos my philosophy of a sort of wiki-[[Q166005|xenophobia]] (the term xenophobia is probably too harsh, and I wouldn't consider myself one in real life, but it's the best word I can think of), I generally distrust users with a lot of global rights (both global sysop etc. and large amounts of local rights) who come make [[m:Metapedianism|metapedian]] contributions, not as people but to their ability to handle Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia as incredibly unique and technically complex projects. I apologize if it my opinions come off as rude or ungrateful, I do appreciate the work of our translation administrators. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:26, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::You don't bother me, it's fine. I think they definitely have a place, they can be useful and they usually are. Obviously local admins and what have you that earned their roles through the trust and reputation of the specific community they are in are going to occupy a more trusting position in my mind than a global sysop or global ''anything''. Specialized role members are good and healthy in the long term; I think we are giving these privileges to global users sparingly as the project is still in its infancy and as core contributors emerge and take up key positions we will have a more well-rounded and self-sustaining community with less global privileges needed to take up certain tasks. Wikifunctions probably needed some Foundation members or other staff to act as functioneers initially while the general community was still orienting themselves with WikiLambda and working on applying for the role, but now we have [[f:Special:ListUsers/functioneer|74(!) of them]] and the number of normal members using their specialized skills outnumbers those who were "grandfathered" in (for lack of a better term) or similar. The wiki is young—it just needs time. I myself have been considering applying for sysop privileges since they are obviously needed (there being exactly Zero of them at the moment); I've been weighing the pros and cons of such a commitment, it's obviously a lot to take up. I wish your sysop request went through, I think you would have made a great admin here. I'm unsure of what others think of my capabilities, I'm rather in-and-out around these social spaces so I don't know if there's much to go off of. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:55, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Totally agree, and I'd support a sysopship request as well, though I'm apparently not good at assessing what the community considers supportable in admin candidate ;). ::::Off-topic, but interestingly, the sysop toolset allows you to grant yourself translation adminship. I'm not sure if sysops are expected not to grant themselves the permissions (kind of like how on enwiki 'crats are expected not grant themselves any rights without discussion despite having the technical rights), but I did it to myself on WF because [https://www.wikifunctions.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=84940 another sysop had]. Additionally, the functioneer right [[Special:ListGroupRights#functioneer|exists on this wiki]], with the same rights on WF, despite all of them not doing anything on this wiki. I believe this is because, on the technical side, both AW and WF are powered by the same MediaWiki extension (Wikilambda), with one wiki set to a mode for abstract articles and another set to a mode for ZObjects. [https://dag.wikipedia.org/wiki/Di%C5%8B%27gahim:ListGroupRights#functioneer Checking the Dagbani Wikipedia] supports this theory. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:00, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::::It always depends on the local policy. For Wikifunctions it is: ''Administrators do not need to undergo another discussion to become translation administrators; they can self-grant the rights to their account if necessary. Temporary administrators are not allowed to self-grant permanent translation administrator rights.'' :::::The availability of the functioneer right is a bug, see [[phab:T407066]]. --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 19:36, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::If you don't consider yourself a xenophobe in real life, I would recommend not calling yourself that here, or anywhere really. Especially since it was the ideological capture during the 2010s of the Croatian-language Wikipedia [[w:hr:]] by actual xenophobes that was part of the impetus for Abstract Wikipedia according to [https://simia.net/wiki/Draft:_Collaborating_on_the_sum_of_all_knowledge_across_languages#A_look_on_some_south_Slavic_language_Wikipedias Denny's blog]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 22:10, 26 May 2026 (UTC) == Policy drafts == Hi all! I've written some draft policies and guidelines over the last few days. We're not a bureaucracy, so the point is not to set some rules but to kick off some discussions as to how our wiki will work. So far, I've created: * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability|a notability guideline]] * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy|a deletion policy]] I've written them as my opinion on what should happen, but I'm hoping to align them with community consensus as we discuss them more. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:44, 21 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #249 is out: Annual plan 2026-2027 == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-23|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we present you the current draft of objectives for Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia in the WMF Annual Plan 2026-2027, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 09:48, 25 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30536976 --> == To abstract Wikipedia or be the Abstract Wikipedia == There is a discussion happening about what the [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability|notability criteria]] for Abstract Wikipedia should be, and in trying to participate I've found my idea of Abstract Wikipedia is awfully abstract. Is Abstract Wikipedia supposed to abstract Wikipedia, as in abstracting information from existing articles on the language Wikipedias (barring new contributions), or is it supposed to become the Abstract Wikipedia, supporting collaboration across all languages like it's the language Wikipedia to end all language Wikipedias (allowing new contributions)? I thought the answer would be obvious, but the name Abstract Wikipedia is a bit ambiguous. Am I missing something? [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 02:16, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :I think ({{ping|DVrandecic (WMF)|p=?}}) the idea is (and I personally prefer) the latter. I believe that, given the fact that it's much easier to write a concrete article than an abstract article, and the fact that the community of potential future contributors on enwiki is skeptical ''at best'', we ultimately will never expand beyond the size of other wikis, but I see no problem with allowing volunteers to add information not on other wikis (it's probably not the most effective, but they're volunteers, beggars can't be choosers), as long as it's not vandalism, useless, or promotional slop. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:31, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] Abstract Wikipedia is a Wikipedia, where people can collaborate across languages on articles, which can then be used to fill gaps in the existing Wikipedias. Whereas I expect that current Wikipedia articles might be used as a convenient starting point for many of the articles in Abstract Wikipedia, this is more a consequence of Wikipedia being one of the best places to go to to find reliable knowledge, but that is not part of how it is supposed to work. So, this is not to abstract the existing Wikipedias, but to collaborate on an Abstract Wikipedia. At no point is this meant to replace existing Wikipedias. (Thanks to @[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] for the ping!) --[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]] ([[User talk:DVrandecic (WMF)|talk]]) 17:01, 27 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you, this makes a lot more sense now. [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 21:52, 27 May 2026 (UTC) == template suggestion == Some way to mock abstract syntax on talk and project pages, analogous to those in [[d:category:format Template]]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 15:21, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :Hmm. I agree. :Workshopping ideas for how it works: :* Invokation: <nowiki>{{Call|Z26039|{"Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1"}|{"Z1K1": "Z6091", "Z6091K1": "Q634"}|{"Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1"}|lang=en}}</nowiki> :** This could then be suplemented by helper templates: <nowiki>{{Call|Z26039|{{Wikidata item argument reference}}|{{Wikidata item reference|Q634}}|{{Language argument reference}}}}</nowiki> :* This would result in "[[f:Z26039|subject is instance of (string)]] (wikidata item reference, [[d:Q634|planet]], language)" :** Icons are missing in this example, I'm not sure if we can actually add them :Thoughts? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:04, 27 May 2026 (UTC) == Marking NLG Default text == Some NLG functions give default texts, like [[f:Z33420|Z33420]] will give text like "Paris ∈ {city}". sometimes in other languages the English text is show. Currently there is no visual clue that these texts are not normal text in the requested language. I propose we mark these text with color <span style="color:magenta;">Paris ∈ {city}</span> with something like <nowiki><span style="color:magenta;">Paris ∈ {city}</span></nowiki>. To have this configurable/maintainable this could be included in a function, called NLG default text or so, with a text as input an a text in color as output. The exact formatting like magenta color or gray background or something else can be discussed/decided later. To have it even more configurable on personal stylesheets it could use a class like <nowiki><span class="NLG Default text">Paris ∈ {city}</span></nowiki>. What do you think? Could somebody make such a function already? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 12:00, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :The are technically just monolingual texts in a language called "multiple languages". I threw a prototype together really quickly, [[f:Z35839]]. It will accept strings, monolingual texts, and html fragments as input, so you have to select which type you want. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:59, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::OK, thanks, I added it to [[f:Z26039]] and works as expected, see [https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Z26039?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z26039%22%2C%22Z26039K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q64%22%7D%2C%22Z26039K2%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q515%22%7D%2C%22Z26039K3%22%3A%22Z1555%22%7D here]. The test for the function with default text now fails because it now is in magenta color. That was to be expected. I will leave the tests unchanged if that is OK with you, as we might need to change the exact formatting. ::Is it OK to add this to other NLG functions that produce default output? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 15:59, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :::Sure, [[w:en:WP:Be bold|be bold]]! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:50, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Ratification of the deletion policy proposal? == I haven't seen any unresolved objections to my proposal for a [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy|policy for deletion]]. Does anybody have any issues, and, if not, is it ok to ratify as an actual policy? I intend to remove the draft template and replace it with a policy template unless anyone voices any objection within a week. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:55, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :Is it just me or does [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Reasons for deletion]] render blank with only number bullets without the actual text after ''1.'' or ''2.''? [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 07:13, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::I see text. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 07:49, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::I can see on my phone, but it goes blank on my laptop. What is the role of ''<nowiki><span class="anchor" id="1"></nowiki>''? [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 12:15, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::::{{ping|Bunnypranav}} I can see the text everywhere (I tested connected and not connected, on my phone, laptop, with Chrome or Firefox ; what system do you use?). As the name suggest, the span anchor is here to create an HTML anchor, so you can do link like [[Abstract_Wikipedia:Deletion_policy#7]]. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 13:49, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I'm on Brave browser. Nevertheless, forget it. The culprit might be some random customization I did to my system which I cannot recollect. The reason is the span tag only though, tried a preview kicking out a text to just outside the tag and it worked. [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 14:23, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::::That's to allow you to link to a specific deletion reason, for example [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy#6|BLPs]]. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:56, 30 May 2026 (UTC) a1x5zx3srx2jts098zimduu1rzq15t5 9220 9219 2026-05-30T14:57:10Z Feeglgeef 36 /* Ratification of the deletion policy proposal? */ already mentioned 9220 wikitext text/x-wiki {{#ifexist:Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat/Header/{{USERLANGUAGE}}|{{/Header/{{USERLANGUAGE}}}}|{{/Header}}}} {{/Archives}} <!-- Add your discussion below this line --> == Why don't we just structure this with wikitemplates? == I feel like the project could be done a lot better by using templates kind of like how wikipedia does them. Just the entire thing is templates that can be rendered in many languages. So like [[Q106289265]] would have the content <nowiki>{{Z26039|Q7257}}</nowiki> and could even have some aliasing done across languages so it could be <nowiki>{{subject is|Q7257}}</nowiki>. Code would be editable with a regular visual editor or code editor. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:34, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :This is available in pages when Parsoid rendering is enabled. We don't use this becuase it doesn't make sense for constructing and editing massive articles. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC) ::How do you do parsoid rendering? And why wouldn't it make sense? With aliases and everything could work great. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:12, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :::I believe it is enabled by default. If you do have it on: {{#function:Z10000|you'll s|ee this}} [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:54, 30 March 2026 (UTC) :you may be interested in reading this old [[m:Abstract_Wikipedia/Google.org_Fellows_evaluation|Google report]]. [[User:BrokenSegue|BrokenSegue]] ([[User talk:BrokenSegue|talk]]) 14:32, 9 May 2026 (UTC) == Why the editing API doesn't work == {{tracked|T423542}} Immanuelle wrongly stated that there is no REST API for editing. [[#REST API for editing?|There is]]. However, it does not work when called from software outside Abstract Wikipedia. That is because there is no way to grant a bot password or OAuth customer the permission to edit abstract articles (<code>wikilambda-abstract-edit</code>) and create them (<code>wikilambda-abstract-create</code>), since no grant on [[Special:ListGrants]] includes either. Should this be fixed? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 01:57, 26 April 2026 (UTC) :Yes I think the rights should be added. I think the number of automated edits should be low at the moment as Abstract Wikipedia is still in an early phase and so far there is not much support for small languages and so many functions will maybe change to cover more languages. As automatic editing using a Bot Account requires an formal request it is no problem if the option exists. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 18:17, 26 April 2026 (UTC) :Sounds good to me. Could we add a bot section to [[Abstract Wikipedia:Requests for permissions]]? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:35, 5 May 2026 (UTC) ::[[Abstract_Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions#Bot]] ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 23:56, 5 May 2026 (UTC) == Q884 == The page [[Q884]] has inaccurate statements about the head of government and the head of state of South Korea. Part of what it returns in English is "Lee Ju-ho is the head of government of South Korea.Park Geun-hye is the head of state of South Korea." However, neither Lee Ju-ho nor Park Geun-hye currently have their respective roles mentioned here. How should these statements be turned into ones using the past tense? [[User:Intolerable situation|Intolerable situation]] ([[User talk:Intolerable situation|talk]]) 14:44, 30 April 2026 (UTC) :not currently possible :((((( [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:46, 30 April 2026 (UTC) :Feeglgeef is correct, past tense sentence generation is something we are sorely lacking at the moment. If you look at [[f:WF:Type proposals#Representing abstract content|Wikifunctions' type proposals]] you can see some initiatives that could hopefully mitigate this. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 13:49, 1 May 2026 (UTC) == Abstract Wikipedia should use a different mw-wiki-logo than Wikipedia for Vector 2010 skin == {{Tracked|T424781}} Hello friends. I've been asked to start a community conversation about this. I'd like to propose that Abstract Wikipedia create its own logo, so that folks visiting this wiki don't get it mixed up with Wikipedia. Even though this project is under the Wikipedia domain, I think it's pretty unique and it'd make sense to make sure it doesn't get mixed up with enwiki or other Wikipedias by newbies googling for Wikipedia articles. Thoughts? Thanks. [[User:Novem Linguae|Novem Linguae]] ([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]]) 12:02, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :Isn't there already one? Are we talking about a logo in a different context? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 12:25, 1 May 2026 (UTC) ::Looks like this is just for the Vector 2010 skin. [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia:Main_page?useskin=vector Example.] I'll edit this section and the ticket to clarify that. [[User:Novem Linguae|Novem Linguae]] ([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]]) 12:28, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :::Ah, thank you, I'd {{s}} this then. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 12:31, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :This has been raised before above in [[#Logo]], the same problem appears on Monobook. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 13:45, 1 May 2026 (UTC) ::Would you support using [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/static/images/mobile/copyright/abstractwiki-wordmark.svg the Vector 2022 logo] on Vector 2010 and Monobook? That'd be a simple technical solution. [[User:Novem Linguae|Novem Linguae]] ([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]]) 14:02, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :::Yes, I see no issue with using that for the moment. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 14:04, 1 May 2026 (UTC) == What would it take for AW to catch up to (English) Reasonator? Porting over functions? == The Wikidata tool [https://reasonator.toolforge.org Reasonator] already automatically creates several sentences in English describing human Wikidata items using [https://codeberg.org/magnusmanske/reasonator/commit/b506362c3c2e90b32de32708ec668eee49603cb0 auto_long_desc.js] under [https://codeberg.org/magnusmanske/reasonator/src/commit/a6ee9095c3accfb67845caf438ce83c98c19e38e/LICENSE a GPL 2.0 free software license] without using any large language model or other AI. Abstract Wikipedia, on the other hand, requires [[Help:How to create an article/en|a several step process just to create a lead sentence]]. Does Resonator have functions in [https://codeberg.org/magnusmanske/reasonator/src/commit/a6ee9095c3accfb67845caf438ce83c98c19e38e/public_html/auto_long_desc.js#L406 the English section of auto_long_desc.js] that Wikifunctions doesn't have at the moment? Is that what's preventing Abstract Wikipedia from auto-generating substantial text (at least in English) based off of Wikidata like Resonator does? Below is [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q1339&lang=en an example of what Resonator can generate from Wikidata] without needing human edits the way Abstract Wikipedia does. (Though I omitted some children for the sake of brevity.) <blockquote> '''Johann Sebastian Bach''' was a [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=696651 Saxe-Eisenach]-[https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=12548 Holy Roman Empire]-[https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=183 German] [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=36834 composer], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=765778 organist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=5371902 harpsichordist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=1259917 violinist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=899758 violist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=158852 conductor], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=1076502 choir director], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=691031 concertmaster], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=14915627 musicologist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=16145150 music educator], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=214970 virtuoso], and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=2251335 school teacher]. He was born on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1685-03-21 March 21, 1685] in [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=7070 Eisenach] to [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=309470 Johann Ambrosius Bach] and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=66671 Maria Elisabeth Lämmerhirt]. He studied at [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=1930161 St. Michael's School] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1702-04 April 1702]. His field of work included [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=8361 Baroque music] and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=9730 classical music]. He was [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=215793 chapelmaster] from [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1717-12 December 1717] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1723-04 April 1723] and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=641457 Thomaskantor] from [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1723 1723] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1750 1750]. He worked for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=117540 Collegium Musicum], for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=1230608 Saint Blaise], for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=61689 Leopold, Prince of Anhalt-Köthen], for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=61972 Johann Ernst III, Duke of Saxe-Weimar] from [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1703-01 January 1703] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1703-08 August 1703], for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=699668 Thomasschule zu Leipzig], and for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=798194 Bachkirche Arnstadt] from [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1703-08 August 1703] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1707 1707]. He married [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=57487 Maria Barbara Bach] on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1707-10-17 October 17, 1707] (married until on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1720-07-07 July 7, 1720] ) and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=57212 Anna Magdalena Bach] on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1721-12-03 December 3, 1721] (married until on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1750-07-28 July 28, 1750] ). His children include [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=15079141 Catharina Dorothea Bach], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=107277 Wilhelm Friedemann Bach], […] He died of [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=12202 stroke] on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1750-07-28 July 28, 1750] in [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=2079 Leipzig]. He was buried at [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=170402 St. Thomas Church]. </blockquote> [[User:Lovelano|Lovelano]] ([[User talk:Lovelano|talk]]) 18:41, 1 May 2026 (UTC) == Project scope == Might be a stupid question but what articles are/will be allowed on Abstract Wikipedia? How far is it meant to expand? The language Wikipedias have some differing policies, so might not be as simple as copying those. Personally I find the idea of creating an article for any and every Wikidata item really cool and a good ''baseline'' for what can have an article, but wouldn't ~120 million abstract articles become unwieldy? If the only requirement is that the article topic has a Wikidata item, then there are many interesting possibilities; one could write about individual dates, Wikidata test items, even Wikimedia disambiguation pages. Have not found where this is explained, if anywhere. This may be up to common sense, but trouble is, couldn't one create an encyclopedically meaningful article on just about anything? Pretty important policy not to have if it's undecided, though is not a problem at the moment. Just wondering. [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 23:36, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :This isn't a stupid question and I don't think this is entirely settled. Have you seen [[Abstract Wikipedia:About]]? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 23:57, 1 May 2026 (UTC) ::Ah, I forgot about that page. So it is meant to abstract information from existing Wikipedia articles? Makes sense, though it still raises the question of creating new articles. [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 00:41, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::At this juncture, I don't think anyone has in mind drafting anything new here as such: this is just responding to existing Wikidata items and the possibility of new Wikipedia articles drafted from them, using Wikifunctions. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 00:51, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :I don't think we ever get any article an existing wiki does not have. Even if abstract content creation gets as fast as reasonably possible, it will never beat out typing text, so we will never catch up with, say, enwiki or eswiki. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:10, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::It's also a question of policy. There are topics about which things could be said, but which wouldn't meet the baseline notability or other criteria of the big monolingual wikis. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:22, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::This is true, if we keep [[d:]]'s notability policy (which seems like the most natural one) then there are many subjects that we theoretically can talk about that don't meet the [[w:WP:GNG|GNG]] and similar guidelines. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:25, 2 May 2026 (UTC) == How many articles in how many languages are actually fully available without errors == This is a response to the call in [[:f:Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-02]]. The most important thing to count is already listed there: '''How many articles in how many languages are actually fully available without errors?''' It should be not just a count, but a list: I want to see which articles are readable in which languages; which articles are readable in some languages, but not others (which ones?); which articles are not readable in any language; etc. An even more relevant, but much harder to measure thing is how many of those articles are actually more useful than not having an article at all. There is no article about Boston in many languages, but [[Q100]], which currently says "Boston is the capital of Massachusetts.Boston is the largest city of Massachusetts." is not significantly more useful than nothing at all even if it's fully rendered in another language in which there is no concrete article about it. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 12:12, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :Perhaps this should have been on the talk page of that status update instead of the project chat? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:25, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::The status update is about two projects and so I can understand if there are comments here. What do you think about creating a status update overview page with links to the status updates in Abstract Wikipedia to offer the possibility to discuss the status updates and especially things related to Abstract Wikipedia there. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 18:57, 4 May 2026 (UTC) :::I don't think that's necessary. You can just include your abstractwiki (as in, the live wiki, not the project) related comments on the page on [[f:]], or, if for some reason that's not possible, as a reply to the newsletter announcement here. The point is, the project chat is crowded enough with topics as it is, ideally it should be more focussed on general matters of discussion than close-ended enquiries about topics that have their own talk page. I find Amire80's use of a new == heading here to be improper. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:32, 4 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #246 is out: Request for input: what should we count for Abstract Wikipedia == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-02|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we ask you what would be the relevant metrics for Abstract Wikipedia, we discuss our latest news on Composition Language v2, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 12:21, 2 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30325620 --> == Spaces between sentences, another attempt == [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat#Extra spaces between sentences|A month ago]], @[[User:内存溢出的猫|内存溢出的猫]]<ref group="spaces3>According to Google Translate, it's pronounced "Nèicún yìchū de māo". Please correct me if it's wrong. When I write, I want to know how are things that I write pronounced aloud, and very unfortunately, I never learned to read Chinese characters, and even if I did, most English speakers probably didn't. Come to think of it, is there a function that ''reliably'' transliterates Chinese characters?</ref> That discussion doesn't seem to have yielded any fixes or meaningful discussions, at least not that I can see. [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat#Spaces between sentences|Two weeks ago]], I tried to bring up a similar topic, but that discussion somehow got derailed and also didn't yield anything useful. Now, the problem looks differently, but it's still a problem. When I look at [[Q10251]], for example, what I see is four sentences that ''appear'' with ''no'' spaces between them. Not one, not two—none at all. It looks like this: :Plasma is a fundamental state of matter.Plasma is a classical state of matter.A plasma is a gas.A plasma is a matter. Note that I emphasized ''appear'': When I see them rendered on the screen, they have no spaces between them. In the HTML, however, they are represented as four <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>s, and their inline positioning is handled by CSS. This means, for example, that if I copy and paste them, I don't get a long string with no spaces after full stops, but four sentences with a single line break after each full stop: <poem> Plasma is a fundamental state of matter. Plasma is a classical state of matter. A plasma is a gas. A plasma is a matter. </poem> This is not how it is supposed to be done. <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>s are supposed to be used for block elements and not hacked into appearing as if they are inline (also known as phrasing). Spaces between sentences are supposed to be real characters rather than HTML and CSS tricks, they may be different in different languages, and in some languages they may be nothing at all. I hope that the definition of the problem is clear. <references group="spaces3"></references> [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 12:49, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :Hi, have a look at it [[Special:PermanentLink/7132|now]]. Does this match your expectations? I think it's not rendering right now for whatever reason, but there are other examples of it being done this way that you can see: [[Q241691]]. The article renders properly in both English (spaces between sentences) and Japanese (no spaces at all). : :'''English:''' :<blockquote>Programmed Data Processor is a computer model series by Digital Equipment Corporation. PDP-8 is a Programmed Data Processor.</blockquote> :'''Japanese:''' :<blockquote>PDPシリーズはディジタル・イクイップメント・コーポレーションによるコンピュータ・モデル・シリーズである。PDP-8はPDPシリーズである。</blockquote> : :I have some, err, strong opinions about [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]]'s 「Abstract Wikipedia Editor」 tool, which is the predominant cause for all of these very janky and poorly-laid-out articles that you see. This is not how an article ought to be written on Abstract Wikipedia, and I and other editors are aware of this. If you see these problems, please do fix them! The wiki will be all the better for it. : :In the absence of consensus on such things as these (and awaiting any official policy pages) I have written [[f:User:Theki/best practices]] on my Wikifunctions userpage. You are welcome to read it if you wish. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:20, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::The output of [[Q241691]] looks OK to me in this regard. How was it done? ::[[Q10251]] gives me an error. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:10, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::WikiLambda is doing WikiLambda things. This WASI time limit error happens intermittently on Abstract Wikipedia articles and it usually goes away after a short while. The only thing is that it doesn't really seem like purging these articles does anything to force the orchestrator to retry its evaluation so the article might not render that paragraph until someone comes in and pokes at it by editing it somehow. ::: :::The working article uses the [[f:Z33068|''paragraph from sentences'']] function to lay out its individual sentence content. This function automatically handles converting any and all text-like objects (strings, HTML fragments, and monolingual text) to a consistent form, so sentence fragments can all be supplied verbatim to its list input. When the function is putting the sentences together it defaults to using a single space to separate them, but first checks if the requested language is in the [[f:Z33984|''languages without spaces between sentences'']] list. If it is, it doesn't add spaces at all, and just concatenates the sentences normally. I hope this explanation makes sense. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 18:19, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::::It makes some sense, but earlier, you suggested: "If you see these problems, please do fix them", and I'm not entirely sure how to do it. How would I fix it in [[Q100]], for example? [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 19:41, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::::In this case you would do the following: :::::# At the bottom, click the plus and then 「Add empty fragment」. :::::# Set the function to [[f:Z33068]], as mentioned earlier. :::::# Now go through each sentence fragment, find the innermost sentence-generation function, click on the three dots, and copy it. Do not copy the calls to [[f:Z29749]] or similar, these are not necessary. :::::# Go to the ''paragraph with sentences'' function call and add an element to the list. :::::# Click on the three dots next to the new element, and paste in the earlier sentence fragment. :::::# You can now delete the original fragment and repeat the process in the same list for the one after it. :::::&mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 19:46, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Theki|Theki]] I intend on fixing it, I recently made an attempt but the suggested fixes made problems worse. Do you have any practical suggestions of how to structure the templates? I will try to implement them when I have more time. ::Also your name is very confusing, are you in the process of getting it changed wiki-wide? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:36, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::Um, are you referring to my signature not matching my wiki username? I have considered for a long time changing it from ''theki'', but I don't feel like putting in the effort when it seems to be perfectly ignorable for most people. The user 「''Rae''」 can't be usurped because they made, like, two or three articles on the Persian Wikipedia two decades ago or something, I don't know. If that weren't the case I would be User:Rae right now but after that failed to go through I just decided to stop bothering. Maybe at some point I'll come up with a username I'm happy with keeping for the foreseeable future but I have other concerns at the moment. :::Could you explain how your attempted fixes 「made problems worse」? Presently I side with Feeglgeef's sentiments and prefer to wait for abstract content to actually be feasible to make on a reasonably descriptive scale (see: the type proposals) before I go around making articles willy-nilly, which is what AWE has been doing—making a bunch of pretty low-quality articles on a massive scale when it probably ''really'' would have been better to, err, hold off on that. :::And I honestly know very little about the actual workings of your editor, I don't really use it nor am I familiar with its template syntax or whatever it may use, so I'm going to look over how it actually works and then get back to you on that. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 23:28, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Using this [[f:Z33068]] made things worse [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 00:44, 3 May 2026 (UTC) :::::That did not go through correctly but I do not think we have a proper thing for it. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 00:45, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::What? Could you elaborate? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 01:00, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::{{ping|Immanuelle}} I checked. Your issue is that your editor is not providing the article language to Z33068K2; that is, the ''paragraph from sentences'' function has a second argument, and your editor was omitting it. If you properly specify it, it will work. Please, next time, actually tell me what went wrong instead of going quiet and forcing me to look after it myself. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:06, 4 May 2026 (UTC) :I avoid [[f:Z33068]] for now, because executing a whole paragraph in a single call would often time out. So my current alternative is inserting [[f:Z35672]] between sentences. Fairly clunky, but it works... --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 06:08, 28 May 2026 (UTC) ::Can you categorize the talk pages of articles you're doing that with? It has major accessibility concerns for our friends using screen readers, so it'd be nice to be able to find those with issues when were able to fix the calls [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:50, 28 May 2026 (UTC) :::I think the new tool can show us this (via dumps). For example, here are the uses of 'paragraph': https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/zid/Z32123 --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 23:07, 28 May 2026 (UTC) ::::There's more than one way to not use spaces correctly and more than one way to use spaces correctly, this wouldn't catch all of them. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:13, 28 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I'm not totally sure what you want to track, but I'm confident that this will find all my uses. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 02:10, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::::I think it slipped past everyone's notice, but I made a template for linking to that sort of information @ [[Template:Zd|<nowiki>{{</nowiki>zd<nowiki>}}</nowiki>]]. {{zd|Z35672|sentence separator}} <span style="font-size:smaller;opacity:0.8">(I don't think the database dumps have noticed the function you're using yet, so it's a 404 at the moment.)</span> &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 01:09, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Most used fragments == [[:f:Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-02|The latest status update]] lists the most used fragments: "[[:f:Z32123]] with 1452, followed by [[:f:Z27868]] with 736 and [[:f:Z29749]] with 650)". How was this calculated? [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 13:44, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :Again, this should definitely have been on the talk page for that status update. This isn't the everything page, it should be used for discussion relating to the wiki. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:26, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::It's not a question just about the status update, even if it was prompted by it. It's a question about Abstract Wikipedia that can be relevant beyond the status update. ::Stop policing how people use discussion pages without a particularly good reason. If you don't have an answer to the actual question, don't write anything. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 19:38, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::I have to agree with Feeglgeef that this would be better raised on the status update's talk page itself. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 19:42, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::I'm "policing" which discussion pages are being used for the same reason different discussion spaces exist in the first place. And your distinction between "just about" and "prompted by" is irrelevant. If I want to ask someone how they did something, I would ask them first, not go to a general discussion board. This is still the project ''chat'', not a Q&A zone. {{ping|DVrandecic (WMF)|p=,}} can you please answer the question? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:22, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :I have a local script that I have run on a local copy. Nothing more complicated than that. Could also be very wrong -- the script hasn't been peer-reviewed or anything. --[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]] ([[User talk:DVrandecic (WMF)|talk]]) 08:54, 4 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thanks, @[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]]. Can you share the code, please? I'll be happy to review it. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 15:30, 4 May 2026 (UTC) ==Wiktionary integration== I was trying out a few functions recently, such as [https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z27243 the new superlative function], and I noticed that ''every adjective'' has to be a Wikidata item. For example, I couldn't type in the inputs "Bugatti Veyron", "fast", "Earth" because "fast" as an adjective is not a Wikidata item. This doesn't really make sense, given that Wiktionary already has the word for "fast" and its superlative form in many different languages. Would it be possible to integrate Wiktionary into the function, so the user can type an adjective or verb from Wiktionary instead of having to deal with Wikidata (which consists almost entirely of nouns)? [[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] ([[User talk:Somepinkdude|talk]]) 16:49, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :No, sadly. I would try "speed" as the adjective, though, you have to use abstract qualities instead of concrete English terms. [[File:Wikifunctions Superlative speed example.png|thumb|Here's an example of the word being used.]] [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:02, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :Wikidata has standard items as well as lexeme data, so if anything, we should try to integrate those. E.g. [[:d:Lexeme:L1029]]. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 19:48, 6 May 2026 (UTC) ::I tried this, and it gave "Bugatti Veyron is the speedest car on Earth", which is laughably bad. The problem is that Wikidata does not "know" what the superlative form is, while Wiktionary does. Speed is a fairly common descriptor, but what about less common adjectives which aren't on Wikidata? Will there need to be a bot to copy all of this information from Wiktionary? [[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] ([[User talk:Somepinkdude|talk]]) 22:14, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :::I'm not suggesting that the functionality works <em>now</em>, but that we need to integrate the funcationality. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 22:17, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :::Well, no, the superlative form is chosen by [[f:Z12203]]. I think there's a bug with the English implementation that calls that function wrong. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:19, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] I did find the item {{Q|Q19807466}} which was linked to a concept database's entry for "fast"; I have at least linked it to the English lexeme "fast" and will try to add more links at a better hour. [[User:Mahir256|Mahir256]] ([[User talk:Mahir256|talk]]) 04:18, 7 May 2026 (UTC) == Showcase == I was wondering if there's a curated list of decent articles to learn by example here on Abstract Wikipedia? [[User:Fgnievinski|Fgnievinski]] ([[User talk:Fgnievinski|talk]]) 02:02, 8 May 2026 (UTC) :Unfortunately not, and, honestly, I wouldn't recommend article creation at the moment, it's likely to need significant refactoring as the way we represent abstract content changes, but, I can point you to [[Q668]] as a reasonably good example at the moment. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:39, 8 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you. "308 languages" blew my mind – well done! [[User:Fgnievinski|Fgnievinski]] ([[User talk:Fgnievinski|talk]]) 02:54, 8 May 2026 (UTC) :::308 is the number of ''concrete'' Wikipedias in which a manually-written article about India is available. :::The abstract article renders for me in English as "India is a country in Asia. India is a republic. New Delhi is the capital of India. India is the most populous country in world." Switching to another language to get rendered as an abstract article is done by typing the language's name in the box above the rendered text. I tried French, German, and Dutch, and got errors in all of them. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 03:12, 8 May 2026 (UTC) ::::So it goes. The paragraph has quite a lot of distinct sentence generation functions, all of which of course have to be implemented in the target language. This will be rounded out once we're able to more effectively generalize linguistic content. I view these functions as sort of patchy temporary solutions to the sentence generation problem while we figure out something more robust, which I hope is soon to come. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 04:15, 8 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #247 is out: References from Wikidata now available == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-08|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we announce that is now possible to pass references in Wikidata statements, we introduce the [https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/ Abstract Data dashboard], we report you on the presentation about Abstract Wikipedia at WikiCon Australia, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Also, we remind you that if you have questions or ideas to discuss, the next '''Volunteers' Corner''' will be held on '''[https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1778520600 May 11, at 17:30 UTC]''' ([https://meet.google.com/xuy-njxh-rkw link to the meeting]). Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 11:16, 8 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30325620 --> == about the usage of Z33068 == The use of [[f:Z33068]] (en: paragraph from sentences) <s>always</s> most of the time results in the error "Reached time limit in orchestrator." So should it be used at all for now, temporarily? Or maybe there are already some tickets about this that I am not aware of? -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 18:23, 10 May 2026 (UTC) :It previously worked, so I'm hoping whatever the issue is will be fixed soon. The current state of the wiki makes [[m:Immediatism|immediatism]] an illogical philosophy to have at the moment, in my opinion. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:16, 10 May 2026 (UTC) ::This issue seems to no longer exist, you might need to clear the cache by making a dummy edit on affected articles. I implemented the function in Python (instead of composition), which has increased the speed by about 2000 ms. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 04:31, 11 May 2026 (UTC) :::Seems like working. Thank you. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 19:06, 11 May 2026 (UTC) == Manual of Style == I've created a [[Abstract Wikipedia:Manual of Style|draft for a Manual of Style]]. Please feel free to comment on or make bold edits to the page. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:29, 11 May 2026 (UTC) :Thank you! That’s great and I’ll look at it more soon. I’m still taking a bit of a wikibreak. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:32, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :Is there anything I've written [[f:User:Theki/best_practices#Abstract_Wikipedia|here]] that you think would make for a good technical section of the page? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 00:04, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::I've added some of them. Thank you for your list of best practices by the way, I generally agree with them (I can't endorse connecting WD items currently in hope of a better technical solution, but otherwise I do). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 00:58, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Proposals on the architecture of Abstract Content rendering == Starting from a discussion born on the Wikifunctions Telegram chat, I've explained two different proposals on how the NLG on Abstract Wikipedia should be organized in the page [[User:Dv103/Abstract articles architectures]]. Please come to contribute to the discussion, or to propose alternatives. [[User:Dv103|Dv103]] ([[User talk:Dv103|talk]]) 14:32, 11 May 2026 (UTC) == [[MediaWiki:Wikimedia-copyright-footer]] == The copyright message has a few issues, mainly that it does not address abstract content (which is not "text"), nor object labels (which are under CC0). Proposed text: "<nowiki> Text and abstract content are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License]; the labels of objects from [[f:|Wikifunctions]] are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ Creative Commons CC0 License]; additional terms may apply. See [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Terms_of_Use Terms of Use] for details. </nowiki>" Which, when rendered, looks like: Text and abstract content are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License]; the labels of objects from [[f:|Wikifunctions]] are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ Creative Commons CC0 License]; additional terms may apply. See [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Terms_of_Use Terms of Use] for details. The message is somewhat inspired by the current one and WF's. Thoughts? Thank you! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:30, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: As you probably imagine, this text is very tightly controlled by the Wikimedia Foundation's Legal department. I think the first port of call should be a discussion about why you might want to change things, rather than a rush to specific re-wordings, before approaching them for sign-off. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 14:28, 12 May 2026 (UTC) ::Well I briefly summarized my justification, my proposed text was just an idea for a starting point. Basically, the abstract content is not really "text", so the footer doesn't actually tell the reader what they're allowed to do with it, and I argue that the current wording implies that the labels are licensed under CC-BY-SA 4, when they aren't. I think a change is critical as otherwise we're not showing the reader a license, or, arguably, in the case of labels, showing users a license that ''does not apply'', which is a pretty bad thing. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:51, 12 May 2026 (UTC) == [[MediaWiki:AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions.json]] == I'd think we should add [[f:Z33068]] here. The function allows you to form a paragraph out of sentences and handles languages having different standards of whether to add a space between them, and adding it here would make finding it easier. I'm not sure what policy we want to have for the suggested functions, this idea might help formulate it. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:06, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :[[User:Jdforrester (WMF)]] tells me the page has been changed to [[Special:CommunityConfiguration/AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions]] on the telegram. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:25, 12 May 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: Yup, see the weekly update on [[f:Wikifunctions:Status_updates/2026-05-02|2026-05-02]]. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 16:35, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :I also believe Z33068 should be added to the list. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:25, 12 May 2026 (UTC) {{done}} see [[Special:Diff/7692]]. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 09:08, 20 May 2026 (UTC) == Abstract Wikipedia statistics site source code == https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/ is a very useful tool, but it doesn't seem to have anything pointing to the location of its source code. Is it closed-source or unfree? While I'm at it I feel I should suggest having language pages' paths formatted differently from how they are currently—at the moment it's <code>/languages/Toki%20Pona</code> when something like <code>/languages/tok</code> would be more suitable. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; : See [[:gitlab:toolforge-repos/abstract-data]]. Also pinging {{ping|DSantamaria-WMF|p=}} (thanks for the tool, by the way). [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 00:25, 13 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you. I think a link to that repository should be put in a footer somewhere on the website as I wouldn't have found that if not for you. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 02:30, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::{{ping|Theki}} For the record, I found that repo by searching for "abstract-data" on [[:toolhub:|Toolhub]]. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 03:34, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::Thanks for the feedback and the report, fixed both things, we have now the link to the repo in the side bar footer, and also the language codes are used in the URLs. Thanks! [[User:DSantamaria-WMF|DSantamaria-WMF]] ([[User talk:DSantamaria-WMF|talk]]) 11:46, 13 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Are you particularly attached to keeping country flag emojis next to the language names? Some consider it an [https://flagsarenotlanguages.com/blog anti-pattern]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 16:17, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I think the use of flags is not really harmful since this is not a ''language selector'', it is just a list of languages. Of course not every language has an associated flag, for example Latin, which does look a bit awkward, but it can't be helped. Maybe give languages without a flag a unique icon from Wikimedia Commons? e.g. <div style="display:inline-flex;align-items:center;border:1px solid #0002;border-radius:4px;gap:4px;padding:4px;">[[File:Toki pona.svg|16px]] Toki Pona</div> instead of <div style="display:inline-flex;align-items:center;border:1px solid #0002;border-radius:4px;gap:4px;padding:4px;"><span>🌐</span>Toki Pona</div>. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 16:37, 14 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::I thought I saw 🏛️ being used for Latin earlier. But of course, as far as the Unicode Consortium is concerned, [[Q65300415|🇬🇧]] doesn't mean '[[Q1680|English]]', no more than [[Q100587670|🏳️‍🌈]] means '[[Q1359130|Polari]]'; technically, it doesn't even mean '[[Q145|United Kingdom]]', just the letters 🇺 and 🇰 next to each other (which linguistically would indicate [[Q8798|Ukrainian]] in ISO 639, but these are 'regional indicator symbols'). [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 17:21, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::As seems (from this comment and also [[f:User_talk:DSantamaria-WMF#c-%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4-20260513063700-Country_flags_in_abstract-data|others' comments]]) that flags are a little bit controversial, I just removed them, IMHO it was just an aesthetic concept, I like the look and feel that flags bring to the language labels, but happy to remove them if make some people feel uncomfortable with the concept. [[User:DSantamaria-WMF|DSantamaria-WMF]] ([[User talk:DSantamaria-WMF|talk]]) 05:54, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Make it more user Friendly == Make it more user-friendly by adding drag-and-drop compenots and one click additions, and make it similar to a visual macro buidler. [[User:ChippyTechGH|ChippyTechGH]] ([[User talk:ChippyTechGH|talk]]) 01:00, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :Could you file something like this on [[phab:|phabricator]]? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:01, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Person infoboxes == Hi all, I've just created [[f:Z35167|infobox for person (Z35167)]]. All it can really do presently is display the name of the person in the chosen language and in the person's native language, but it's a good start. I started writing it as a composition but chose to switch to writing it in JavaScript instead, which ended up being less headache-inducing (managing a large list of strings to concatenate together is not fun, plus compositions bring lots of additional overhead). Unfortunately, this means that the actual ''useful'' parts of the infobox—the information about the person themself—is not really doable. I'd need to dereference the Wikidata property references to get their label in the requested language, but since they're references and I'm working with code, not compositions, I can't just call [[f:Z6822|fetch Wikidata property (Z6822)]] and be done with it. If there's a WikiLambda API to do this inside of the JS itself that would be great and would solve everything, but at the moment that alone is what's holding it back, or so it seems. I can get the actual ''values'' of statements just fine, though. If I am missing some amazing WikiLambda API function that will solve this problem for me by letting me dereference the PID, then please let me know because that would be great. If you want to look at an example of the infobox right meow, you can view [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/tok/Q317521 Q317521 in Toki Pona] and see how it states Musk's name in both Toki Pona ''and'' his native English name. COOL! My hope is that this can be made less barebones in the near future. Infoboxes are a great way to get quick information on a subject and can fill in the informational gaps in the presently sparse articles we have at the moment, all while staying in the user's requested language. Feedback is appreciated! &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 02:58, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :Thank you for this! I wonder if perhaps it would be better to create one "infobox" function and then have compositions call that, making wd retrival possible? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:38, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::Working on that at the moment, I think I've got it working but I'm hitting a ratelimit in the orchestrator so I don't know for sure. The main issue with it now is that the actual [[f:Z35175|infobox template (Z35175)]] wrapper was programmed in JS so as to not be a pain in the ass, so this means that it can only take in strings, HTML fragments, etc. so the retrieval of Wikidata stuff still needs to be done by the caller and is rather verbose (see [[f:Z35168|the main implementation]]). The niceties will come soon later once I know that it all works at a lower level, though. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 05:04, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::So the problem now seems to be that when [[f:Z29825|label of Wikidata property in language (Z29825)]] isn't being faulty, it's being incredibly slow. Considering retrieving Wikidata items from their references seems to take, like, four to five seconds, and we'll have tens of statements in these infoboxes, I don't see how the property names could be retrieved in a way that doesn't cause the orchestrator to time out or hit a ratelimit. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 06:01, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::I think I figured something out? I'm just going to try calling [[f:Z35036|fetch Wikidata property or parts (Z35036)]], it seems to be much faster for whatever reason. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 06:05, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::It works now, a little rough around the edges, also very slow, but I think I'm mostly happy with it. Of course it would be great if all you needed to provide to the template function to get a label-statement row was the property reference itself, but I'm too sleep-deprived to figure that out at the moment. I made five bespoke functions specifically for this infobox, more than I would like, but it's probably not ''that'' bad. I'm just hoping I didn't duplicate any functionality in trying to make the composition less verbose and repetitive. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 07:15, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #248 is out: A higher meaning == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-15|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we discuss functions creating language fragments, we present our latest news in Types, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 14:36, 15 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30536976 --> == Translations == Yes, this question is probably easily answerable through a Web search, but I thought I'd ask here anyways. I am unfortunately not bilingual... I know Toki Pona, but it's a constructed language. I'd love to be a polyglot of some sorts but that is a future thing. I've been trying to translate pages into tok, for funsies mostly. At any rate, I want to convert some of the un-translated pages, namely Feeglgeef's policy drafts, into ones that can be translated (and then translate them into Toki Pona of course). I think I have to be a translation administrator for this? Which is a process that I'd have to ''apply'' for, and I doubt I have the credentials to be accepted for such a role. Regardless, is there a way I can go about this without having to do it through someone else? I can probably easily find documentation on marking pages for translation but I don't know how much I'm actually capable of doing as just a regular user. Should I apply? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 14:15, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :Most of the process of preparing a page for translation can be done by any editor. See [[:mw:Help:Extension:Translate/Page translation example]]. :The step of marking a page or translation for the first time or after changes must be done by a translation administrator. :I recommend learning the <nowiki><translate> and <tvar></nowiki> syntax and using it on a few pages before applying for this permission. After you do it on a few pages, and you feel confident, and you want to do it more, you can ask for the permission. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 14:28, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::Just to confirm, did I mark up [[Special:Diff/8138|this page]] for translation properly? I thought to give the hatnote its own <code>&lt;translate&gt;</code> enclosure so as to exclude the indent and italicization from needing to be included in the translatable text. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:10, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::Mostly properly, but don't exclude <code><nowiki>''</nowiki></code> for italics from translation. It's generally a good idea to exclude complex markup from translation because it's hard for many people to type, and it usually stays the same in translation anyway. <code><nowiki>''</nowiki></code> for italics is different, however: it's very simple to type and familiar to most editors; italic letters are used differently in different languages, and in some languages they aren't used at all, so translators need the freedom to use them appropriately; this markup can also appear in the middle of a translation unit and not only in the ends. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 15:35, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Thank you for the guidance. Should the italics be included if they are used over the entire hatnote? I figure that placement of italics should be left up to the discretion of the translators, but the hatnote itself is meant to be entirely italicized, I would think irrespective of the language it's in. Is this the right idea or should they still be kept within the translation unit? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:45, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::::Yes, italics should be included in the translation unit if they are used over the entire hatnote. Some languages don't use italic writing at all, so it shouldn't be forced. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:36, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :I'd support a translation administrator request ;), for reasons below. I'm not sure why we need a seperate translation administrator right, or why we have to call it an "administrator" (deciding that a page could be translated is a much less important role than, say, page deletion, or blocking). We picked three of them (well, one of them went through the WMF, so we picked two), [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=pagetranslation&user=&page=&excludetempacct=1&wpdate=&tagfilter=&wpfilters%5B%5D=newusers&wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist they don't appear very active, though], only marking 9 times this month, zero (0) of which were for pages marked for the first time. Both community translation admins used their global history and rights to get the role and only stop by occasionally, so having one who ''actually'' edits here would be nice. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:06, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::This reply echos my philosophy of a sort of wiki-[[Q166005|xenophobia]] (the term xenophobia is probably too harsh, and I wouldn't consider myself one in real life, but it's the best word I can think of), I generally distrust users with a lot of global rights (both global sysop etc. and large amounts of local rights) who come make [[m:Metapedianism|metapedian]] contributions, not as people but to their ability to handle Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia as incredibly unique and technically complex projects. I apologize if it my opinions come off as rude or ungrateful, I do appreciate the work of our translation administrators. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:26, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::You don't bother me, it's fine. I think they definitely have a place, they can be useful and they usually are. Obviously local admins and what have you that earned their roles through the trust and reputation of the specific community they are in are going to occupy a more trusting position in my mind than a global sysop or global ''anything''. Specialized role members are good and healthy in the long term; I think we are giving these privileges to global users sparingly as the project is still in its infancy and as core contributors emerge and take up key positions we will have a more well-rounded and self-sustaining community with less global privileges needed to take up certain tasks. Wikifunctions probably needed some Foundation members or other staff to act as functioneers initially while the general community was still orienting themselves with WikiLambda and working on applying for the role, but now we have [[f:Special:ListUsers/functioneer|74(!) of them]] and the number of normal members using their specialized skills outnumbers those who were "grandfathered" in (for lack of a better term) or similar. The wiki is young—it just needs time. I myself have been considering applying for sysop privileges since they are obviously needed (there being exactly Zero of them at the moment); I've been weighing the pros and cons of such a commitment, it's obviously a lot to take up. I wish your sysop request went through, I think you would have made a great admin here. I'm unsure of what others think of my capabilities, I'm rather in-and-out around these social spaces so I don't know if there's much to go off of. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:55, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Totally agree, and I'd support a sysopship request as well, though I'm apparently not good at assessing what the community considers supportable in admin candidate ;). ::::Off-topic, but interestingly, the sysop toolset allows you to grant yourself translation adminship. I'm not sure if sysops are expected not to grant themselves the permissions (kind of like how on enwiki 'crats are expected not grant themselves any rights without discussion despite having the technical rights), but I did it to myself on WF because [https://www.wikifunctions.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=84940 another sysop had]. Additionally, the functioneer right [[Special:ListGroupRights#functioneer|exists on this wiki]], with the same rights on WF, despite all of them not doing anything on this wiki. I believe this is because, on the technical side, both AW and WF are powered by the same MediaWiki extension (Wikilambda), with one wiki set to a mode for abstract articles and another set to a mode for ZObjects. [https://dag.wikipedia.org/wiki/Di%C5%8B%27gahim:ListGroupRights#functioneer Checking the Dagbani Wikipedia] supports this theory. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:00, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::::It always depends on the local policy. For Wikifunctions it is: ''Administrators do not need to undergo another discussion to become translation administrators; they can self-grant the rights to their account if necessary. Temporary administrators are not allowed to self-grant permanent translation administrator rights.'' :::::The availability of the functioneer right is a bug, see [[phab:T407066]]. --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 19:36, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::If you don't consider yourself a xenophobe in real life, I would recommend not calling yourself that here, or anywhere really. Especially since it was the ideological capture during the 2010s of the Croatian-language Wikipedia [[w:hr:]] by actual xenophobes that was part of the impetus for Abstract Wikipedia according to [https://simia.net/wiki/Draft:_Collaborating_on_the_sum_of_all_knowledge_across_languages#A_look_on_some_south_Slavic_language_Wikipedias Denny's blog]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 22:10, 26 May 2026 (UTC) == Policy drafts == Hi all! I've written some draft policies and guidelines over the last few days. We're not a bureaucracy, so the point is not to set some rules but to kick off some discussions as to how our wiki will work. So far, I've created: * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability|a notability guideline]] * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy|a deletion policy]] I've written them as my opinion on what should happen, but I'm hoping to align them with community consensus as we discuss them more. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:44, 21 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #249 is out: Annual plan 2026-2027 == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-23|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we present you the current draft of objectives for Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia in the WMF Annual Plan 2026-2027, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 09:48, 25 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30536976 --> == To abstract Wikipedia or be the Abstract Wikipedia == There is a discussion happening about what the [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability|notability criteria]] for Abstract Wikipedia should be, and in trying to participate I've found my idea of Abstract Wikipedia is awfully abstract. Is Abstract Wikipedia supposed to abstract Wikipedia, as in abstracting information from existing articles on the language Wikipedias (barring new contributions), or is it supposed to become the Abstract Wikipedia, supporting collaboration across all languages like it's the language Wikipedia to end all language Wikipedias (allowing new contributions)? I thought the answer would be obvious, but the name Abstract Wikipedia is a bit ambiguous. Am I missing something? [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 02:16, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :I think ({{ping|DVrandecic (WMF)|p=?}}) the idea is (and I personally prefer) the latter. I believe that, given the fact that it's much easier to write a concrete article than an abstract article, and the fact that the community of potential future contributors on enwiki is skeptical ''at best'', we ultimately will never expand beyond the size of other wikis, but I see no problem with allowing volunteers to add information not on other wikis (it's probably not the most effective, but they're volunteers, beggars can't be choosers), as long as it's not vandalism, useless, or promotional slop. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:31, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] Abstract Wikipedia is a Wikipedia, where people can collaborate across languages on articles, which can then be used to fill gaps in the existing Wikipedias. Whereas I expect that current Wikipedia articles might be used as a convenient starting point for many of the articles in Abstract Wikipedia, this is more a consequence of Wikipedia being one of the best places to go to to find reliable knowledge, but that is not part of how it is supposed to work. So, this is not to abstract the existing Wikipedias, but to collaborate on an Abstract Wikipedia. At no point is this meant to replace existing Wikipedias. (Thanks to @[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] for the ping!) --[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]] ([[User talk:DVrandecic (WMF)|talk]]) 17:01, 27 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you, this makes a lot more sense now. [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 21:52, 27 May 2026 (UTC) == template suggestion == Some way to mock abstract syntax on talk and project pages, analogous to those in [[d:category:format Template]]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 15:21, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :Hmm. I agree. :Workshopping ideas for how it works: :* Invokation: <nowiki>{{Call|Z26039|{"Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1"}|{"Z1K1": "Z6091", "Z6091K1": "Q634"}|{"Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1"}|lang=en}}</nowiki> :** This could then be suplemented by helper templates: <nowiki>{{Call|Z26039|{{Wikidata item argument reference}}|{{Wikidata item reference|Q634}}|{{Language argument reference}}}}</nowiki> :* This would result in "[[f:Z26039|subject is instance of (string)]] (wikidata item reference, [[d:Q634|planet]], language)" :** Icons are missing in this example, I'm not sure if we can actually add them :Thoughts? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:04, 27 May 2026 (UTC) == Marking NLG Default text == Some NLG functions give default texts, like [[f:Z33420|Z33420]] will give text like "Paris ∈ {city}". sometimes in other languages the English text is show. Currently there is no visual clue that these texts are not normal text in the requested language. I propose we mark these text with color <span style="color:magenta;">Paris ∈ {city}</span> with something like <nowiki><span style="color:magenta;">Paris ∈ {city}</span></nowiki>. To have this configurable/maintainable this could be included in a function, called NLG default text or so, with a text as input an a text in color as output. The exact formatting like magenta color or gray background or something else can be discussed/decided later. To have it even more configurable on personal stylesheets it could use a class like <nowiki><span class="NLG Default text">Paris ∈ {city}</span></nowiki>. What do you think? Could somebody make such a function already? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 12:00, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :The are technically just monolingual texts in a language called "multiple languages". I threw a prototype together really quickly, [[f:Z35839]]. It will accept strings, monolingual texts, and html fragments as input, so you have to select which type you want. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:59, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::OK, thanks, I added it to [[f:Z26039]] and works as expected, see [https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Z26039?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z26039%22%2C%22Z26039K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q64%22%7D%2C%22Z26039K2%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q515%22%7D%2C%22Z26039K3%22%3A%22Z1555%22%7D here]. The test for the function with default text now fails because it now is in magenta color. That was to be expected. I will leave the tests unchanged if that is OK with you, as we might need to change the exact formatting. ::Is it OK to add this to other NLG functions that produce default output? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 15:59, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :::Sure, [[w:en:WP:Be bold|be bold]]! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:50, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Ratification of the deletion policy proposal? == I haven't seen any unresolved objections to my proposal for a [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy|policy for deletion]]. Does anybody have any issues, and, if not, is it ok to ratify as an actual policy? I intend to remove the draft template and replace it with a policy template unless anyone voices any objection within a week. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:55, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :Is it just me or does [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Reasons for deletion]] render blank with only number bullets without the actual text after ''1.'' or ''2.''? [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 07:13, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::I see text. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 07:49, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::I can see on my phone, but it goes blank on my laptop. What is the role of ''<nowiki><span class="anchor" id="1"></nowiki>''? [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 12:15, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::::{{ping|Bunnypranav}} I can see the text everywhere (I tested connected and not connected, on my phone, laptop, with Chrome or Firefox ; what system do you use?). As the name suggest, the span anchor is here to create an HTML anchor, so you can do link like [[Abstract_Wikipedia:Deletion_policy#7]]. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 13:49, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I'm on Brave browser. Nevertheless, forget it. The culprit might be some random customization I did to my system which I cannot recollect. The reason is the span tag only though, tried a preview kicking out a text to just outside the tag and it worked. [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 14:23, 30 May 2026 (UTC) 3qwcpp8cp1pkcidnrsnur2fdm2on3mv 9223 9220 2026-05-30T15:39:10Z Jsamwrites 874 /* Ratification of the deletion policy proposal? */ Reply 9223 wikitext text/x-wiki {{#ifexist:Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat/Header/{{USERLANGUAGE}}|{{/Header/{{USERLANGUAGE}}}}|{{/Header}}}} {{/Archives}} <!-- Add your discussion below this line --> == Why don't we just structure this with wikitemplates? == I feel like the project could be done a lot better by using templates kind of like how wikipedia does them. Just the entire thing is templates that can be rendered in many languages. So like [[Q106289265]] would have the content <nowiki>{{Z26039|Q7257}}</nowiki> and could even have some aliasing done across languages so it could be <nowiki>{{subject is|Q7257}}</nowiki>. Code would be editable with a regular visual editor or code editor. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:34, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :This is available in pages when Parsoid rendering is enabled. We don't use this becuase it doesn't make sense for constructing and editing massive articles. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC) ::How do you do parsoid rendering? And why wouldn't it make sense? With aliases and everything could work great. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:12, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :::I believe it is enabled by default. If you do have it on: {{#function:Z10000|you'll s|ee this}} [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:54, 30 March 2026 (UTC) :you may be interested in reading this old [[m:Abstract_Wikipedia/Google.org_Fellows_evaluation|Google report]]. [[User:BrokenSegue|BrokenSegue]] ([[User talk:BrokenSegue|talk]]) 14:32, 9 May 2026 (UTC) == Why the editing API doesn't work == {{tracked|T423542}} Immanuelle wrongly stated that there is no REST API for editing. [[#REST API for editing?|There is]]. However, it does not work when called from software outside Abstract Wikipedia. That is because there is no way to grant a bot password or OAuth customer the permission to edit abstract articles (<code>wikilambda-abstract-edit</code>) and create them (<code>wikilambda-abstract-create</code>), since no grant on [[Special:ListGrants]] includes either. Should this be fixed? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 01:57, 26 April 2026 (UTC) :Yes I think the rights should be added. I think the number of automated edits should be low at the moment as Abstract Wikipedia is still in an early phase and so far there is not much support for small languages and so many functions will maybe change to cover more languages. As automatic editing using a Bot Account requires an formal request it is no problem if the option exists. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 18:17, 26 April 2026 (UTC) :Sounds good to me. Could we add a bot section to [[Abstract Wikipedia:Requests for permissions]]? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:35, 5 May 2026 (UTC) ::[[Abstract_Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions#Bot]] ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 23:56, 5 May 2026 (UTC) == Q884 == The page [[Q884]] has inaccurate statements about the head of government and the head of state of South Korea. Part of what it returns in English is "Lee Ju-ho is the head of government of South Korea.Park Geun-hye is the head of state of South Korea." However, neither Lee Ju-ho nor Park Geun-hye currently have their respective roles mentioned here. How should these statements be turned into ones using the past tense? [[User:Intolerable situation|Intolerable situation]] ([[User talk:Intolerable situation|talk]]) 14:44, 30 April 2026 (UTC) :not currently possible :((((( [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:46, 30 April 2026 (UTC) :Feeglgeef is correct, past tense sentence generation is something we are sorely lacking at the moment. If you look at [[f:WF:Type proposals#Representing abstract content|Wikifunctions' type proposals]] you can see some initiatives that could hopefully mitigate this. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 13:49, 1 May 2026 (UTC) == Abstract Wikipedia should use a different mw-wiki-logo than Wikipedia for Vector 2010 skin == {{Tracked|T424781}} Hello friends. I've been asked to start a community conversation about this. I'd like to propose that Abstract Wikipedia create its own logo, so that folks visiting this wiki don't get it mixed up with Wikipedia. Even though this project is under the Wikipedia domain, I think it's pretty unique and it'd make sense to make sure it doesn't get mixed up with enwiki or other Wikipedias by newbies googling for Wikipedia articles. Thoughts? Thanks. [[User:Novem Linguae|Novem Linguae]] ([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]]) 12:02, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :Isn't there already one? Are we talking about a logo in a different context? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 12:25, 1 May 2026 (UTC) ::Looks like this is just for the Vector 2010 skin. [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia:Main_page?useskin=vector Example.] I'll edit this section and the ticket to clarify that. [[User:Novem Linguae|Novem Linguae]] ([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]]) 12:28, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :::Ah, thank you, I'd {{s}} this then. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 12:31, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :This has been raised before above in [[#Logo]], the same problem appears on Monobook. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 13:45, 1 May 2026 (UTC) ::Would you support using [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/static/images/mobile/copyright/abstractwiki-wordmark.svg the Vector 2022 logo] on Vector 2010 and Monobook? That'd be a simple technical solution. [[User:Novem Linguae|Novem Linguae]] ([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]]) 14:02, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :::Yes, I see no issue with using that for the moment. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 14:04, 1 May 2026 (UTC) == What would it take for AW to catch up to (English) Reasonator? Porting over functions? == The Wikidata tool [https://reasonator.toolforge.org Reasonator] already automatically creates several sentences in English describing human Wikidata items using [https://codeberg.org/magnusmanske/reasonator/commit/b506362c3c2e90b32de32708ec668eee49603cb0 auto_long_desc.js] under [https://codeberg.org/magnusmanske/reasonator/src/commit/a6ee9095c3accfb67845caf438ce83c98c19e38e/LICENSE a GPL 2.0 free software license] without using any large language model or other AI. Abstract Wikipedia, on the other hand, requires [[Help:How to create an article/en|a several step process just to create a lead sentence]]. Does Resonator have functions in [https://codeberg.org/magnusmanske/reasonator/src/commit/a6ee9095c3accfb67845caf438ce83c98c19e38e/public_html/auto_long_desc.js#L406 the English section of auto_long_desc.js] that Wikifunctions doesn't have at the moment? Is that what's preventing Abstract Wikipedia from auto-generating substantial text (at least in English) based off of Wikidata like Resonator does? Below is [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q1339&lang=en an example of what Resonator can generate from Wikidata] without needing human edits the way Abstract Wikipedia does. (Though I omitted some children for the sake of brevity.) <blockquote> '''Johann Sebastian Bach''' was a [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=696651 Saxe-Eisenach]-[https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=12548 Holy Roman Empire]-[https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=183 German] [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=36834 composer], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=765778 organist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=5371902 harpsichordist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=1259917 violinist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=899758 violist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=158852 conductor], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=1076502 choir director], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=691031 concertmaster], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=14915627 musicologist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=16145150 music educator], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=214970 virtuoso], and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=2251335 school teacher]. He was born on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1685-03-21 March 21, 1685] in [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=7070 Eisenach] to [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=309470 Johann Ambrosius Bach] and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=66671 Maria Elisabeth Lämmerhirt]. He studied at [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=1930161 St. Michael's School] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1702-04 April 1702]. His field of work included [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=8361 Baroque music] and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=9730 classical music]. He was [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=215793 chapelmaster] from [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1717-12 December 1717] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1723-04 April 1723] and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=641457 Thomaskantor] from [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1723 1723] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1750 1750]. He worked for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=117540 Collegium Musicum], for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=1230608 Saint Blaise], for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=61689 Leopold, Prince of Anhalt-Köthen], for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=61972 Johann Ernst III, Duke of Saxe-Weimar] from [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1703-01 January 1703] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1703-08 August 1703], for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=699668 Thomasschule zu Leipzig], and for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=798194 Bachkirche Arnstadt] from [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1703-08 August 1703] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1707 1707]. He married [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=57487 Maria Barbara Bach] on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1707-10-17 October 17, 1707] (married until on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1720-07-07 July 7, 1720] ) and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=57212 Anna Magdalena Bach] on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1721-12-03 December 3, 1721] (married until on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1750-07-28 July 28, 1750] ). His children include [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=15079141 Catharina Dorothea Bach], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=107277 Wilhelm Friedemann Bach], […] He died of [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=12202 stroke] on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1750-07-28 July 28, 1750] in [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=2079 Leipzig]. He was buried at [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=170402 St. Thomas Church]. </blockquote> [[User:Lovelano|Lovelano]] ([[User talk:Lovelano|talk]]) 18:41, 1 May 2026 (UTC) == Project scope == Might be a stupid question but what articles are/will be allowed on Abstract Wikipedia? How far is it meant to expand? The language Wikipedias have some differing policies, so might not be as simple as copying those. Personally I find the idea of creating an article for any and every Wikidata item really cool and a good ''baseline'' for what can have an article, but wouldn't ~120 million abstract articles become unwieldy? If the only requirement is that the article topic has a Wikidata item, then there are many interesting possibilities; one could write about individual dates, Wikidata test items, even Wikimedia disambiguation pages. Have not found where this is explained, if anywhere. This may be up to common sense, but trouble is, couldn't one create an encyclopedically meaningful article on just about anything? Pretty important policy not to have if it's undecided, though is not a problem at the moment. Just wondering. [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 23:36, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :This isn't a stupid question and I don't think this is entirely settled. Have you seen [[Abstract Wikipedia:About]]? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 23:57, 1 May 2026 (UTC) ::Ah, I forgot about that page. So it is meant to abstract information from existing Wikipedia articles? Makes sense, though it still raises the question of creating new articles. [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 00:41, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::At this juncture, I don't think anyone has in mind drafting anything new here as such: this is just responding to existing Wikidata items and the possibility of new Wikipedia articles drafted from them, using Wikifunctions. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 00:51, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :I don't think we ever get any article an existing wiki does not have. Even if abstract content creation gets as fast as reasonably possible, it will never beat out typing text, so we will never catch up with, say, enwiki or eswiki. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:10, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::It's also a question of policy. There are topics about which things could be said, but which wouldn't meet the baseline notability or other criteria of the big monolingual wikis. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:22, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::This is true, if we keep [[d:]]'s notability policy (which seems like the most natural one) then there are many subjects that we theoretically can talk about that don't meet the [[w:WP:GNG|GNG]] and similar guidelines. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:25, 2 May 2026 (UTC) == How many articles in how many languages are actually fully available without errors == This is a response to the call in [[:f:Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-02]]. The most important thing to count is already listed there: '''How many articles in how many languages are actually fully available without errors?''' It should be not just a count, but a list: I want to see which articles are readable in which languages; which articles are readable in some languages, but not others (which ones?); which articles are not readable in any language; etc. An even more relevant, but much harder to measure thing is how many of those articles are actually more useful than not having an article at all. There is no article about Boston in many languages, but [[Q100]], which currently says "Boston is the capital of Massachusetts.Boston is the largest city of Massachusetts." is not significantly more useful than nothing at all even if it's fully rendered in another language in which there is no concrete article about it. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 12:12, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :Perhaps this should have been on the talk page of that status update instead of the project chat? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:25, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::The status update is about two projects and so I can understand if there are comments here. What do you think about creating a status update overview page with links to the status updates in Abstract Wikipedia to offer the possibility to discuss the status updates and especially things related to Abstract Wikipedia there. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 18:57, 4 May 2026 (UTC) :::I don't think that's necessary. You can just include your abstractwiki (as in, the live wiki, not the project) related comments on the page on [[f:]], or, if for some reason that's not possible, as a reply to the newsletter announcement here. The point is, the project chat is crowded enough with topics as it is, ideally it should be more focussed on general matters of discussion than close-ended enquiries about topics that have their own talk page. I find Amire80's use of a new == heading here to be improper. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:32, 4 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #246 is out: Request for input: what should we count for Abstract Wikipedia == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-02|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we ask you what would be the relevant metrics for Abstract Wikipedia, we discuss our latest news on Composition Language v2, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 12:21, 2 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30325620 --> == Spaces between sentences, another attempt == [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat#Extra spaces between sentences|A month ago]], @[[User:内存溢出的猫|内存溢出的猫]]<ref group="spaces3>According to Google Translate, it's pronounced "Nèicún yìchū de māo". Please correct me if it's wrong. When I write, I want to know how are things that I write pronounced aloud, and very unfortunately, I never learned to read Chinese characters, and even if I did, most English speakers probably didn't. Come to think of it, is there a function that ''reliably'' transliterates Chinese characters?</ref> That discussion doesn't seem to have yielded any fixes or meaningful discussions, at least not that I can see. [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat#Spaces between sentences|Two weeks ago]], I tried to bring up a similar topic, but that discussion somehow got derailed and also didn't yield anything useful. Now, the problem looks differently, but it's still a problem. When I look at [[Q10251]], for example, what I see is four sentences that ''appear'' with ''no'' spaces between them. Not one, not two—none at all. It looks like this: :Plasma is a fundamental state of matter.Plasma is a classical state of matter.A plasma is a gas.A plasma is a matter. Note that I emphasized ''appear'': When I see them rendered on the screen, they have no spaces between them. In the HTML, however, they are represented as four <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>s, and their inline positioning is handled by CSS. This means, for example, that if I copy and paste them, I don't get a long string with no spaces after full stops, but four sentences with a single line break after each full stop: <poem> Plasma is a fundamental state of matter. Plasma is a classical state of matter. A plasma is a gas. A plasma is a matter. </poem> This is not how it is supposed to be done. <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>s are supposed to be used for block elements and not hacked into appearing as if they are inline (also known as phrasing). Spaces between sentences are supposed to be real characters rather than HTML and CSS tricks, they may be different in different languages, and in some languages they may be nothing at all. I hope that the definition of the problem is clear. <references group="spaces3"></references> [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 12:49, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :Hi, have a look at it [[Special:PermanentLink/7132|now]]. Does this match your expectations? I think it's not rendering right now for whatever reason, but there are other examples of it being done this way that you can see: [[Q241691]]. The article renders properly in both English (spaces between sentences) and Japanese (no spaces at all). : :'''English:''' :<blockquote>Programmed Data Processor is a computer model series by Digital Equipment Corporation. PDP-8 is a Programmed Data Processor.</blockquote> :'''Japanese:''' :<blockquote>PDPシリーズはディジタル・イクイップメント・コーポレーションによるコンピュータ・モデル・シリーズである。PDP-8はPDPシリーズである。</blockquote> : :I have some, err, strong opinions about [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]]'s 「Abstract Wikipedia Editor」 tool, which is the predominant cause for all of these very janky and poorly-laid-out articles that you see. This is not how an article ought to be written on Abstract Wikipedia, and I and other editors are aware of this. If you see these problems, please do fix them! The wiki will be all the better for it. : :In the absence of consensus on such things as these (and awaiting any official policy pages) I have written [[f:User:Theki/best practices]] on my Wikifunctions userpage. You are welcome to read it if you wish. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:20, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::The output of [[Q241691]] looks OK to me in this regard. How was it done? ::[[Q10251]] gives me an error. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:10, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::WikiLambda is doing WikiLambda things. This WASI time limit error happens intermittently on Abstract Wikipedia articles and it usually goes away after a short while. The only thing is that it doesn't really seem like purging these articles does anything to force the orchestrator to retry its evaluation so the article might not render that paragraph until someone comes in and pokes at it by editing it somehow. ::: :::The working article uses the [[f:Z33068|''paragraph from sentences'']] function to lay out its individual sentence content. This function automatically handles converting any and all text-like objects (strings, HTML fragments, and monolingual text) to a consistent form, so sentence fragments can all be supplied verbatim to its list input. When the function is putting the sentences together it defaults to using a single space to separate them, but first checks if the requested language is in the [[f:Z33984|''languages without spaces between sentences'']] list. If it is, it doesn't add spaces at all, and just concatenates the sentences normally. I hope this explanation makes sense. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 18:19, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::::It makes some sense, but earlier, you suggested: "If you see these problems, please do fix them", and I'm not entirely sure how to do it. How would I fix it in [[Q100]], for example? [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 19:41, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::::In this case you would do the following: :::::# At the bottom, click the plus and then 「Add empty fragment」. :::::# Set the function to [[f:Z33068]], as mentioned earlier. :::::# Now go through each sentence fragment, find the innermost sentence-generation function, click on the three dots, and copy it. Do not copy the calls to [[f:Z29749]] or similar, these are not necessary. :::::# Go to the ''paragraph with sentences'' function call and add an element to the list. :::::# Click on the three dots next to the new element, and paste in the earlier sentence fragment. :::::# You can now delete the original fragment and repeat the process in the same list for the one after it. :::::&mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 19:46, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Theki|Theki]] I intend on fixing it, I recently made an attempt but the suggested fixes made problems worse. Do you have any practical suggestions of how to structure the templates? I will try to implement them when I have more time. ::Also your name is very confusing, are you in the process of getting it changed wiki-wide? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:36, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::Um, are you referring to my signature not matching my wiki username? I have considered for a long time changing it from ''theki'', but I don't feel like putting in the effort when it seems to be perfectly ignorable for most people. The user 「''Rae''」 can't be usurped because they made, like, two or three articles on the Persian Wikipedia two decades ago or something, I don't know. If that weren't the case I would be User:Rae right now but after that failed to go through I just decided to stop bothering. Maybe at some point I'll come up with a username I'm happy with keeping for the foreseeable future but I have other concerns at the moment. :::Could you explain how your attempted fixes 「made problems worse」? Presently I side with Feeglgeef's sentiments and prefer to wait for abstract content to actually be feasible to make on a reasonably descriptive scale (see: the type proposals) before I go around making articles willy-nilly, which is what AWE has been doing—making a bunch of pretty low-quality articles on a massive scale when it probably ''really'' would have been better to, err, hold off on that. :::And I honestly know very little about the actual workings of your editor, I don't really use it nor am I familiar with its template syntax or whatever it may use, so I'm going to look over how it actually works and then get back to you on that. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 23:28, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Using this [[f:Z33068]] made things worse [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 00:44, 3 May 2026 (UTC) :::::That did not go through correctly but I do not think we have a proper thing for it. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 00:45, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::What? Could you elaborate? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 01:00, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::{{ping|Immanuelle}} I checked. Your issue is that your editor is not providing the article language to Z33068K2; that is, the ''paragraph from sentences'' function has a second argument, and your editor was omitting it. If you properly specify it, it will work. Please, next time, actually tell me what went wrong instead of going quiet and forcing me to look after it myself. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:06, 4 May 2026 (UTC) :I avoid [[f:Z33068]] for now, because executing a whole paragraph in a single call would often time out. So my current alternative is inserting [[f:Z35672]] between sentences. Fairly clunky, but it works... --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 06:08, 28 May 2026 (UTC) ::Can you categorize the talk pages of articles you're doing that with? It has major accessibility concerns for our friends using screen readers, so it'd be nice to be able to find those with issues when were able to fix the calls [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:50, 28 May 2026 (UTC) :::I think the new tool can show us this (via dumps). For example, here are the uses of 'paragraph': https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/zid/Z32123 --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 23:07, 28 May 2026 (UTC) ::::There's more than one way to not use spaces correctly and more than one way to use spaces correctly, this wouldn't catch all of them. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:13, 28 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I'm not totally sure what you want to track, but I'm confident that this will find all my uses. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 02:10, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::::I think it slipped past everyone's notice, but I made a template for linking to that sort of information @ [[Template:Zd|<nowiki>{{</nowiki>zd<nowiki>}}</nowiki>]]. {{zd|Z35672|sentence separator}} <span style="font-size:smaller;opacity:0.8">(I don't think the database dumps have noticed the function you're using yet, so it's a 404 at the moment.)</span> &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 01:09, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Most used fragments == [[:f:Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-02|The latest status update]] lists the most used fragments: "[[:f:Z32123]] with 1452, followed by [[:f:Z27868]] with 736 and [[:f:Z29749]] with 650)". How was this calculated? [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 13:44, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :Again, this should definitely have been on the talk page for that status update. This isn't the everything page, it should be used for discussion relating to the wiki. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:26, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::It's not a question just about the status update, even if it was prompted by it. It's a question about Abstract Wikipedia that can be relevant beyond the status update. ::Stop policing how people use discussion pages without a particularly good reason. If you don't have an answer to the actual question, don't write anything. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 19:38, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::I have to agree with Feeglgeef that this would be better raised on the status update's talk page itself. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 19:42, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::I'm "policing" which discussion pages are being used for the same reason different discussion spaces exist in the first place. And your distinction between "just about" and "prompted by" is irrelevant. If I want to ask someone how they did something, I would ask them first, not go to a general discussion board. This is still the project ''chat'', not a Q&A zone. {{ping|DVrandecic (WMF)|p=,}} can you please answer the question? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:22, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :I have a local script that I have run on a local copy. Nothing more complicated than that. Could also be very wrong -- the script hasn't been peer-reviewed or anything. --[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]] ([[User talk:DVrandecic (WMF)|talk]]) 08:54, 4 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thanks, @[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]]. Can you share the code, please? I'll be happy to review it. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 15:30, 4 May 2026 (UTC) ==Wiktionary integration== I was trying out a few functions recently, such as [https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z27243 the new superlative function], and I noticed that ''every adjective'' has to be a Wikidata item. For example, I couldn't type in the inputs "Bugatti Veyron", "fast", "Earth" because "fast" as an adjective is not a Wikidata item. This doesn't really make sense, given that Wiktionary already has the word for "fast" and its superlative form in many different languages. Would it be possible to integrate Wiktionary into the function, so the user can type an adjective or verb from Wiktionary instead of having to deal with Wikidata (which consists almost entirely of nouns)? [[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] ([[User talk:Somepinkdude|talk]]) 16:49, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :No, sadly. I would try "speed" as the adjective, though, you have to use abstract qualities instead of concrete English terms. [[File:Wikifunctions Superlative speed example.png|thumb|Here's an example of the word being used.]] [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:02, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :Wikidata has standard items as well as lexeme data, so if anything, we should try to integrate those. E.g. [[:d:Lexeme:L1029]]. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 19:48, 6 May 2026 (UTC) ::I tried this, and it gave "Bugatti Veyron is the speedest car on Earth", which is laughably bad. The problem is that Wikidata does not "know" what the superlative form is, while Wiktionary does. Speed is a fairly common descriptor, but what about less common adjectives which aren't on Wikidata? Will there need to be a bot to copy all of this information from Wiktionary? [[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] ([[User talk:Somepinkdude|talk]]) 22:14, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :::I'm not suggesting that the functionality works <em>now</em>, but that we need to integrate the funcationality. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 22:17, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :::Well, no, the superlative form is chosen by [[f:Z12203]]. I think there's a bug with the English implementation that calls that function wrong. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:19, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] I did find the item {{Q|Q19807466}} which was linked to a concept database's entry for "fast"; I have at least linked it to the English lexeme "fast" and will try to add more links at a better hour. [[User:Mahir256|Mahir256]] ([[User talk:Mahir256|talk]]) 04:18, 7 May 2026 (UTC) == Showcase == I was wondering if there's a curated list of decent articles to learn by example here on Abstract Wikipedia? [[User:Fgnievinski|Fgnievinski]] ([[User talk:Fgnievinski|talk]]) 02:02, 8 May 2026 (UTC) :Unfortunately not, and, honestly, I wouldn't recommend article creation at the moment, it's likely to need significant refactoring as the way we represent abstract content changes, but, I can point you to [[Q668]] as a reasonably good example at the moment. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:39, 8 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you. "308 languages" blew my mind – well done! [[User:Fgnievinski|Fgnievinski]] ([[User talk:Fgnievinski|talk]]) 02:54, 8 May 2026 (UTC) :::308 is the number of ''concrete'' Wikipedias in which a manually-written article about India is available. :::The abstract article renders for me in English as "India is a country in Asia. India is a republic. New Delhi is the capital of India. India is the most populous country in world." Switching to another language to get rendered as an abstract article is done by typing the language's name in the box above the rendered text. I tried French, German, and Dutch, and got errors in all of them. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 03:12, 8 May 2026 (UTC) ::::So it goes. The paragraph has quite a lot of distinct sentence generation functions, all of which of course have to be implemented in the target language. This will be rounded out once we're able to more effectively generalize linguistic content. I view these functions as sort of patchy temporary solutions to the sentence generation problem while we figure out something more robust, which I hope is soon to come. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 04:15, 8 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #247 is out: References from Wikidata now available == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-08|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we announce that is now possible to pass references in Wikidata statements, we introduce the [https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/ Abstract Data dashboard], we report you on the presentation about Abstract Wikipedia at WikiCon Australia, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Also, we remind you that if you have questions or ideas to discuss, the next '''Volunteers' Corner''' will be held on '''[https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1778520600 May 11, at 17:30 UTC]''' ([https://meet.google.com/xuy-njxh-rkw link to the meeting]). Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 11:16, 8 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30325620 --> == about the usage of Z33068 == The use of [[f:Z33068]] (en: paragraph from sentences) <s>always</s> most of the time results in the error "Reached time limit in orchestrator." So should it be used at all for now, temporarily? Or maybe there are already some tickets about this that I am not aware of? -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 18:23, 10 May 2026 (UTC) :It previously worked, so I'm hoping whatever the issue is will be fixed soon. The current state of the wiki makes [[m:Immediatism|immediatism]] an illogical philosophy to have at the moment, in my opinion. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:16, 10 May 2026 (UTC) ::This issue seems to no longer exist, you might need to clear the cache by making a dummy edit on affected articles. I implemented the function in Python (instead of composition), which has increased the speed by about 2000 ms. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 04:31, 11 May 2026 (UTC) :::Seems like working. Thank you. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 19:06, 11 May 2026 (UTC) == Manual of Style == I've created a [[Abstract Wikipedia:Manual of Style|draft for a Manual of Style]]. Please feel free to comment on or make bold edits to the page. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:29, 11 May 2026 (UTC) :Thank you! That’s great and I’ll look at it more soon. I’m still taking a bit of a wikibreak. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:32, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :Is there anything I've written [[f:User:Theki/best_practices#Abstract_Wikipedia|here]] that you think would make for a good technical section of the page? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 00:04, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::I've added some of them. Thank you for your list of best practices by the way, I generally agree with them (I can't endorse connecting WD items currently in hope of a better technical solution, but otherwise I do). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 00:58, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Proposals on the architecture of Abstract Content rendering == Starting from a discussion born on the Wikifunctions Telegram chat, I've explained two different proposals on how the NLG on Abstract Wikipedia should be organized in the page [[User:Dv103/Abstract articles architectures]]. Please come to contribute to the discussion, or to propose alternatives. [[User:Dv103|Dv103]] ([[User talk:Dv103|talk]]) 14:32, 11 May 2026 (UTC) == [[MediaWiki:Wikimedia-copyright-footer]] == The copyright message has a few issues, mainly that it does not address abstract content (which is not "text"), nor object labels (which are under CC0). Proposed text: "<nowiki> Text and abstract content are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License]; the labels of objects from [[f:|Wikifunctions]] are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ Creative Commons CC0 License]; additional terms may apply. See [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Terms_of_Use Terms of Use] for details. </nowiki>" Which, when rendered, looks like: Text and abstract content are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License]; the labels of objects from [[f:|Wikifunctions]] are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ Creative Commons CC0 License]; additional terms may apply. See [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Terms_of_Use Terms of Use] for details. The message is somewhat inspired by the current one and WF's. Thoughts? Thank you! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:30, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: As you probably imagine, this text is very tightly controlled by the Wikimedia Foundation's Legal department. I think the first port of call should be a discussion about why you might want to change things, rather than a rush to specific re-wordings, before approaching them for sign-off. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 14:28, 12 May 2026 (UTC) ::Well I briefly summarized my justification, my proposed text was just an idea for a starting point. Basically, the abstract content is not really "text", so the footer doesn't actually tell the reader what they're allowed to do with it, and I argue that the current wording implies that the labels are licensed under CC-BY-SA 4, when they aren't. I think a change is critical as otherwise we're not showing the reader a license, or, arguably, in the case of labels, showing users a license that ''does not apply'', which is a pretty bad thing. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:51, 12 May 2026 (UTC) == [[MediaWiki:AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions.json]] == I'd think we should add [[f:Z33068]] here. The function allows you to form a paragraph out of sentences and handles languages having different standards of whether to add a space between them, and adding it here would make finding it easier. I'm not sure what policy we want to have for the suggested functions, this idea might help formulate it. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:06, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :[[User:Jdforrester (WMF)]] tells me the page has been changed to [[Special:CommunityConfiguration/AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions]] on the telegram. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:25, 12 May 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: Yup, see the weekly update on [[f:Wikifunctions:Status_updates/2026-05-02|2026-05-02]]. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 16:35, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :I also believe Z33068 should be added to the list. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:25, 12 May 2026 (UTC) {{done}} see [[Special:Diff/7692]]. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 09:08, 20 May 2026 (UTC) == Abstract Wikipedia statistics site source code == https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/ is a very useful tool, but it doesn't seem to have anything pointing to the location of its source code. Is it closed-source or unfree? While I'm at it I feel I should suggest having language pages' paths formatted differently from how they are currently—at the moment it's <code>/languages/Toki%20Pona</code> when something like <code>/languages/tok</code> would be more suitable. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; : See [[:gitlab:toolforge-repos/abstract-data]]. Also pinging {{ping|DSantamaria-WMF|p=}} (thanks for the tool, by the way). [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 00:25, 13 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you. I think a link to that repository should be put in a footer somewhere on the website as I wouldn't have found that if not for you. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 02:30, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::{{ping|Theki}} For the record, I found that repo by searching for "abstract-data" on [[:toolhub:|Toolhub]]. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 03:34, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::Thanks for the feedback and the report, fixed both things, we have now the link to the repo in the side bar footer, and also the language codes are used in the URLs. Thanks! [[User:DSantamaria-WMF|DSantamaria-WMF]] ([[User talk:DSantamaria-WMF|talk]]) 11:46, 13 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Are you particularly attached to keeping country flag emojis next to the language names? Some consider it an [https://flagsarenotlanguages.com/blog anti-pattern]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 16:17, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I think the use of flags is not really harmful since this is not a ''language selector'', it is just a list of languages. Of course not every language has an associated flag, for example Latin, which does look a bit awkward, but it can't be helped. Maybe give languages without a flag a unique icon from Wikimedia Commons? e.g. <div style="display:inline-flex;align-items:center;border:1px solid #0002;border-radius:4px;gap:4px;padding:4px;">[[File:Toki pona.svg|16px]] Toki Pona</div> instead of <div style="display:inline-flex;align-items:center;border:1px solid #0002;border-radius:4px;gap:4px;padding:4px;"><span>🌐</span>Toki Pona</div>. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 16:37, 14 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::I thought I saw 🏛️ being used for Latin earlier. But of course, as far as the Unicode Consortium is concerned, [[Q65300415|🇬🇧]] doesn't mean '[[Q1680|English]]', no more than [[Q100587670|🏳️‍🌈]] means '[[Q1359130|Polari]]'; technically, it doesn't even mean '[[Q145|United Kingdom]]', just the letters 🇺 and 🇰 next to each other (which linguistically would indicate [[Q8798|Ukrainian]] in ISO 639, but these are 'regional indicator symbols'). [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 17:21, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::As seems (from this comment and also [[f:User_talk:DSantamaria-WMF#c-%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4-20260513063700-Country_flags_in_abstract-data|others' comments]]) that flags are a little bit controversial, I just removed them, IMHO it was just an aesthetic concept, I like the look and feel that flags bring to the language labels, but happy to remove them if make some people feel uncomfortable with the concept. [[User:DSantamaria-WMF|DSantamaria-WMF]] ([[User talk:DSantamaria-WMF|talk]]) 05:54, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Make it more user Friendly == Make it more user-friendly by adding drag-and-drop compenots and one click additions, and make it similar to a visual macro buidler. [[User:ChippyTechGH|ChippyTechGH]] ([[User talk:ChippyTechGH|talk]]) 01:00, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :Could you file something like this on [[phab:|phabricator]]? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:01, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Person infoboxes == Hi all, I've just created [[f:Z35167|infobox for person (Z35167)]]. All it can really do presently is display the name of the person in the chosen language and in the person's native language, but it's a good start. I started writing it as a composition but chose to switch to writing it in JavaScript instead, which ended up being less headache-inducing (managing a large list of strings to concatenate together is not fun, plus compositions bring lots of additional overhead). Unfortunately, this means that the actual ''useful'' parts of the infobox—the information about the person themself—is not really doable. I'd need to dereference the Wikidata property references to get their label in the requested language, but since they're references and I'm working with code, not compositions, I can't just call [[f:Z6822|fetch Wikidata property (Z6822)]] and be done with it. If there's a WikiLambda API to do this inside of the JS itself that would be great and would solve everything, but at the moment that alone is what's holding it back, or so it seems. I can get the actual ''values'' of statements just fine, though. If I am missing some amazing WikiLambda API function that will solve this problem for me by letting me dereference the PID, then please let me know because that would be great. If you want to look at an example of the infobox right meow, you can view [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/tok/Q317521 Q317521 in Toki Pona] and see how it states Musk's name in both Toki Pona ''and'' his native English name. COOL! My hope is that this can be made less barebones in the near future. Infoboxes are a great way to get quick information on a subject and can fill in the informational gaps in the presently sparse articles we have at the moment, all while staying in the user's requested language. Feedback is appreciated! &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 02:58, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :Thank you for this! I wonder if perhaps it would be better to create one "infobox" function and then have compositions call that, making wd retrival possible? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:38, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::Working on that at the moment, I think I've got it working but I'm hitting a ratelimit in the orchestrator so I don't know for sure. The main issue with it now is that the actual [[f:Z35175|infobox template (Z35175)]] wrapper was programmed in JS so as to not be a pain in the ass, so this means that it can only take in strings, HTML fragments, etc. so the retrieval of Wikidata stuff still needs to be done by the caller and is rather verbose (see [[f:Z35168|the main implementation]]). The niceties will come soon later once I know that it all works at a lower level, though. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 05:04, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::So the problem now seems to be that when [[f:Z29825|label of Wikidata property in language (Z29825)]] isn't being faulty, it's being incredibly slow. Considering retrieving Wikidata items from their references seems to take, like, four to five seconds, and we'll have tens of statements in these infoboxes, I don't see how the property names could be retrieved in a way that doesn't cause the orchestrator to time out or hit a ratelimit. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 06:01, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::I think I figured something out? I'm just going to try calling [[f:Z35036|fetch Wikidata property or parts (Z35036)]], it seems to be much faster for whatever reason. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 06:05, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::It works now, a little rough around the edges, also very slow, but I think I'm mostly happy with it. Of course it would be great if all you needed to provide to the template function to get a label-statement row was the property reference itself, but I'm too sleep-deprived to figure that out at the moment. I made five bespoke functions specifically for this infobox, more than I would like, but it's probably not ''that'' bad. I'm just hoping I didn't duplicate any functionality in trying to make the composition less verbose and repetitive. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 07:15, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #248 is out: A higher meaning == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-15|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we discuss functions creating language fragments, we present our latest news in Types, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 14:36, 15 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30536976 --> == Translations == Yes, this question is probably easily answerable through a Web search, but I thought I'd ask here anyways. I am unfortunately not bilingual... I know Toki Pona, but it's a constructed language. I'd love to be a polyglot of some sorts but that is a future thing. I've been trying to translate pages into tok, for funsies mostly. At any rate, I want to convert some of the un-translated pages, namely Feeglgeef's policy drafts, into ones that can be translated (and then translate them into Toki Pona of course). I think I have to be a translation administrator for this? Which is a process that I'd have to ''apply'' for, and I doubt I have the credentials to be accepted for such a role. Regardless, is there a way I can go about this without having to do it through someone else? I can probably easily find documentation on marking pages for translation but I don't know how much I'm actually capable of doing as just a regular user. Should I apply? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 14:15, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :Most of the process of preparing a page for translation can be done by any editor. See [[:mw:Help:Extension:Translate/Page translation example]]. :The step of marking a page or translation for the first time or after changes must be done by a translation administrator. :I recommend learning the <nowiki><translate> and <tvar></nowiki> syntax and using it on a few pages before applying for this permission. After you do it on a few pages, and you feel confident, and you want to do it more, you can ask for the permission. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 14:28, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::Just to confirm, did I mark up [[Special:Diff/8138|this page]] for translation properly? I thought to give the hatnote its own <code>&lt;translate&gt;</code> enclosure so as to exclude the indent and italicization from needing to be included in the translatable text. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:10, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::Mostly properly, but don't exclude <code><nowiki>''</nowiki></code> for italics from translation. It's generally a good idea to exclude complex markup from translation because it's hard for many people to type, and it usually stays the same in translation anyway. <code><nowiki>''</nowiki></code> for italics is different, however: it's very simple to type and familiar to most editors; italic letters are used differently in different languages, and in some languages they aren't used at all, so translators need the freedom to use them appropriately; this markup can also appear in the middle of a translation unit and not only in the ends. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 15:35, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Thank you for the guidance. Should the italics be included if they are used over the entire hatnote? I figure that placement of italics should be left up to the discretion of the translators, but the hatnote itself is meant to be entirely italicized, I would think irrespective of the language it's in. Is this the right idea or should they still be kept within the translation unit? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:45, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::::Yes, italics should be included in the translation unit if they are used over the entire hatnote. Some languages don't use italic writing at all, so it shouldn't be forced. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:36, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :I'd support a translation administrator request ;), for reasons below. I'm not sure why we need a seperate translation administrator right, or why we have to call it an "administrator" (deciding that a page could be translated is a much less important role than, say, page deletion, or blocking). We picked three of them (well, one of them went through the WMF, so we picked two), [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=pagetranslation&user=&page=&excludetempacct=1&wpdate=&tagfilter=&wpfilters%5B%5D=newusers&wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist they don't appear very active, though], only marking 9 times this month, zero (0) of which were for pages marked for the first time. Both community translation admins used their global history and rights to get the role and only stop by occasionally, so having one who ''actually'' edits here would be nice. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:06, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::This reply echos my philosophy of a sort of wiki-[[Q166005|xenophobia]] (the term xenophobia is probably too harsh, and I wouldn't consider myself one in real life, but it's the best word I can think of), I generally distrust users with a lot of global rights (both global sysop etc. and large amounts of local rights) who come make [[m:Metapedianism|metapedian]] contributions, not as people but to their ability to handle Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia as incredibly unique and technically complex projects. I apologize if it my opinions come off as rude or ungrateful, I do appreciate the work of our translation administrators. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:26, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::You don't bother me, it's fine. I think they definitely have a place, they can be useful and they usually are. Obviously local admins and what have you that earned their roles through the trust and reputation of the specific community they are in are going to occupy a more trusting position in my mind than a global sysop or global ''anything''. Specialized role members are good and healthy in the long term; I think we are giving these privileges to global users sparingly as the project is still in its infancy and as core contributors emerge and take up key positions we will have a more well-rounded and self-sustaining community with less global privileges needed to take up certain tasks. Wikifunctions probably needed some Foundation members or other staff to act as functioneers initially while the general community was still orienting themselves with WikiLambda and working on applying for the role, but now we have [[f:Special:ListUsers/functioneer|74(!) of them]] and the number of normal members using their specialized skills outnumbers those who were "grandfathered" in (for lack of a better term) or similar. The wiki is young—it just needs time. I myself have been considering applying for sysop privileges since they are obviously needed (there being exactly Zero of them at the moment); I've been weighing the pros and cons of such a commitment, it's obviously a lot to take up. I wish your sysop request went through, I think you would have made a great admin here. I'm unsure of what others think of my capabilities, I'm rather in-and-out around these social spaces so I don't know if there's much to go off of. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:55, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Totally agree, and I'd support a sysopship request as well, though I'm apparently not good at assessing what the community considers supportable in admin candidate ;). ::::Off-topic, but interestingly, the sysop toolset allows you to grant yourself translation adminship. I'm not sure if sysops are expected not to grant themselves the permissions (kind of like how on enwiki 'crats are expected not grant themselves any rights without discussion despite having the technical rights), but I did it to myself on WF because [https://www.wikifunctions.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=84940 another sysop had]. Additionally, the functioneer right [[Special:ListGroupRights#functioneer|exists on this wiki]], with the same rights on WF, despite all of them not doing anything on this wiki. I believe this is because, on the technical side, both AW and WF are powered by the same MediaWiki extension (Wikilambda), with one wiki set to a mode for abstract articles and another set to a mode for ZObjects. [https://dag.wikipedia.org/wiki/Di%C5%8B%27gahim:ListGroupRights#functioneer Checking the Dagbani Wikipedia] supports this theory. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:00, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::::It always depends on the local policy. For Wikifunctions it is: ''Administrators do not need to undergo another discussion to become translation administrators; they can self-grant the rights to their account if necessary. Temporary administrators are not allowed to self-grant permanent translation administrator rights.'' :::::The availability of the functioneer right is a bug, see [[phab:T407066]]. --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 19:36, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::If you don't consider yourself a xenophobe in real life, I would recommend not calling yourself that here, or anywhere really. Especially since it was the ideological capture during the 2010s of the Croatian-language Wikipedia [[w:hr:]] by actual xenophobes that was part of the impetus for Abstract Wikipedia according to [https://simia.net/wiki/Draft:_Collaborating_on_the_sum_of_all_knowledge_across_languages#A_look_on_some_south_Slavic_language_Wikipedias Denny's blog]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 22:10, 26 May 2026 (UTC) == Policy drafts == Hi all! I've written some draft policies and guidelines over the last few days. We're not a bureaucracy, so the point is not to set some rules but to kick off some discussions as to how our wiki will work. So far, I've created: * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability|a notability guideline]] * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy|a deletion policy]] I've written them as my opinion on what should happen, but I'm hoping to align them with community consensus as we discuss them more. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:44, 21 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #249 is out: Annual plan 2026-2027 == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-23|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we present you the current draft of objectives for Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia in the WMF Annual Plan 2026-2027, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 09:48, 25 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30536976 --> == To abstract Wikipedia or be the Abstract Wikipedia == There is a discussion happening about what the [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability|notability criteria]] for Abstract Wikipedia should be, and in trying to participate I've found my idea of Abstract Wikipedia is awfully abstract. Is Abstract Wikipedia supposed to abstract Wikipedia, as in abstracting information from existing articles on the language Wikipedias (barring new contributions), or is it supposed to become the Abstract Wikipedia, supporting collaboration across all languages like it's the language Wikipedia to end all language Wikipedias (allowing new contributions)? I thought the answer would be obvious, but the name Abstract Wikipedia is a bit ambiguous. Am I missing something? [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 02:16, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :I think ({{ping|DVrandecic (WMF)|p=?}}) the idea is (and I personally prefer) the latter. I believe that, given the fact that it's much easier to write a concrete article than an abstract article, and the fact that the community of potential future contributors on enwiki is skeptical ''at best'', we ultimately will never expand beyond the size of other wikis, but I see no problem with allowing volunteers to add information not on other wikis (it's probably not the most effective, but they're volunteers, beggars can't be choosers), as long as it's not vandalism, useless, or promotional slop. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:31, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] Abstract Wikipedia is a Wikipedia, where people can collaborate across languages on articles, which can then be used to fill gaps in the existing Wikipedias. Whereas I expect that current Wikipedia articles might be used as a convenient starting point for many of the articles in Abstract Wikipedia, this is more a consequence of Wikipedia being one of the best places to go to to find reliable knowledge, but that is not part of how it is supposed to work. So, this is not to abstract the existing Wikipedias, but to collaborate on an Abstract Wikipedia. At no point is this meant to replace existing Wikipedias. (Thanks to @[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] for the ping!) --[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]] ([[User talk:DVrandecic (WMF)|talk]]) 17:01, 27 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you, this makes a lot more sense now. [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 21:52, 27 May 2026 (UTC) == template suggestion == Some way to mock abstract syntax on talk and project pages, analogous to those in [[d:category:format Template]]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 15:21, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :Hmm. I agree. :Workshopping ideas for how it works: :* Invokation: <nowiki>{{Call|Z26039|{"Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1"}|{"Z1K1": "Z6091", "Z6091K1": "Q634"}|{"Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1"}|lang=en}}</nowiki> :** This could then be suplemented by helper templates: <nowiki>{{Call|Z26039|{{Wikidata item argument reference}}|{{Wikidata item reference|Q634}}|{{Language argument reference}}}}</nowiki> :* This would result in "[[f:Z26039|subject is instance of (string)]] (wikidata item reference, [[d:Q634|planet]], language)" :** Icons are missing in this example, I'm not sure if we can actually add them :Thoughts? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:04, 27 May 2026 (UTC) == Marking NLG Default text == Some NLG functions give default texts, like [[f:Z33420|Z33420]] will give text like "Paris ∈ {city}". sometimes in other languages the English text is show. Currently there is no visual clue that these texts are not normal text in the requested language. I propose we mark these text with color <span style="color:magenta;">Paris ∈ {city}</span> with something like <nowiki><span style="color:magenta;">Paris ∈ {city}</span></nowiki>. To have this configurable/maintainable this could be included in a function, called NLG default text or so, with a text as input an a text in color as output. The exact formatting like magenta color or gray background or something else can be discussed/decided later. To have it even more configurable on personal stylesheets it could use a class like <nowiki><span class="NLG Default text">Paris ∈ {city}</span></nowiki>. What do you think? Could somebody make such a function already? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 12:00, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :The are technically just monolingual texts in a language called "multiple languages". I threw a prototype together really quickly, [[f:Z35839]]. It will accept strings, monolingual texts, and html fragments as input, so you have to select which type you want. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:59, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::OK, thanks, I added it to [[f:Z26039]] and works as expected, see [https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Z26039?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z26039%22%2C%22Z26039K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q64%22%7D%2C%22Z26039K2%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q515%22%7D%2C%22Z26039K3%22%3A%22Z1555%22%7D here]. The test for the function with default text now fails because it now is in magenta color. That was to be expected. I will leave the tests unchanged if that is OK with you, as we might need to change the exact formatting. ::Is it OK to add this to other NLG functions that produce default output? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 15:59, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :::Sure, [[w:en:WP:Be bold|be bold]]! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:50, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Ratification of the deletion policy proposal? == I haven't seen any unresolved objections to my proposal for a [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy|policy for deletion]]. Does anybody have any issues, and, if not, is it ok to ratify as an actual policy? I intend to remove the draft template and replace it with a policy template unless anyone voices any objection within a week. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:55, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :Is it just me or does [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Reasons for deletion]] render blank with only number bullets without the actual text after ''1.'' or ''2.''? [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 07:13, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::I see text. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 07:49, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::I can see on my phone, but it goes blank on my laptop. What is the role of ''<nowiki><span class="anchor" id="1"></nowiki>''? [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 12:15, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::::{{ping|Bunnypranav}} I can see the text everywhere (I tested connected and not connected, on my phone, laptop, with Chrome or Firefox ; what system do you use?). As the name suggest, the span anchor is here to create an HTML anchor, so you can do link like [[Abstract_Wikipedia:Deletion_policy#7]]. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 13:49, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I'm on Brave browser. Nevertheless, forget it. The culprit might be some random customization I did to my system which I cannot recollect. The reason is the span tag only though, tried a preview kicking out a text to just outside the tag and it worked. [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 14:23, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :Globally, it looks fine. I think that reasons 7 and 8 may need some examples/clarifications. There is no global consensus when it comes to creating categories. For example, categories for building interiors and exteriors. Personally, I feel that they are useful for easier discoverability. [[User:Jsamwrites|John Samuel]] ([[User:Jsamwrites|talk]]) 15:39, 30 May 2026 (UTC) qkhsam66iy24r2md7cyy2z7kd9o81xb 9224 9223 2026-05-30T16:48:12Z Feeglgeef 36 /* Ratification of the deletion policy proposal? */ Reply 9224 wikitext text/x-wiki {{#ifexist:Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat/Header/{{USERLANGUAGE}}|{{/Header/{{USERLANGUAGE}}}}|{{/Header}}}} {{/Archives}} <!-- Add your discussion below this line --> == Why don't we just structure this with wikitemplates? == I feel like the project could be done a lot better by using templates kind of like how wikipedia does them. Just the entire thing is templates that can be rendered in many languages. So like [[Q106289265]] would have the content <nowiki>{{Z26039|Q7257}}</nowiki> and could even have some aliasing done across languages so it could be <nowiki>{{subject is|Q7257}}</nowiki>. Code would be editable with a regular visual editor or code editor. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:34, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :This is available in pages when Parsoid rendering is enabled. We don't use this becuase it doesn't make sense for constructing and editing massive articles. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC) ::How do you do parsoid rendering? And why wouldn't it make sense? With aliases and everything could work great. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:12, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :::I believe it is enabled by default. If you do have it on: {{#function:Z10000|you'll s|ee this}} [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:54, 30 March 2026 (UTC) :you may be interested in reading this old [[m:Abstract_Wikipedia/Google.org_Fellows_evaluation|Google report]]. [[User:BrokenSegue|BrokenSegue]] ([[User talk:BrokenSegue|talk]]) 14:32, 9 May 2026 (UTC) == Why the editing API doesn't work == {{tracked|T423542}} Immanuelle wrongly stated that there is no REST API for editing. [[#REST API for editing?|There is]]. However, it does not work when called from software outside Abstract Wikipedia. That is because there is no way to grant a bot password or OAuth customer the permission to edit abstract articles (<code>wikilambda-abstract-edit</code>) and create them (<code>wikilambda-abstract-create</code>), since no grant on [[Special:ListGrants]] includes either. Should this be fixed? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 01:57, 26 April 2026 (UTC) :Yes I think the rights should be added. I think the number of automated edits should be low at the moment as Abstract Wikipedia is still in an early phase and so far there is not much support for small languages and so many functions will maybe change to cover more languages. As automatic editing using a Bot Account requires an formal request it is no problem if the option exists. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 18:17, 26 April 2026 (UTC) :Sounds good to me. Could we add a bot section to [[Abstract Wikipedia:Requests for permissions]]? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:35, 5 May 2026 (UTC) ::[[Abstract_Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions#Bot]] ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 23:56, 5 May 2026 (UTC) == Q884 == The page [[Q884]] has inaccurate statements about the head of government and the head of state of South Korea. Part of what it returns in English is "Lee Ju-ho is the head of government of South Korea.Park Geun-hye is the head of state of South Korea." However, neither Lee Ju-ho nor Park Geun-hye currently have their respective roles mentioned here. How should these statements be turned into ones using the past tense? [[User:Intolerable situation|Intolerable situation]] ([[User talk:Intolerable situation|talk]]) 14:44, 30 April 2026 (UTC) :not currently possible :((((( [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:46, 30 April 2026 (UTC) :Feeglgeef is correct, past tense sentence generation is something we are sorely lacking at the moment. If you look at [[f:WF:Type proposals#Representing abstract content|Wikifunctions' type proposals]] you can see some initiatives that could hopefully mitigate this. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 13:49, 1 May 2026 (UTC) == Abstract Wikipedia should use a different mw-wiki-logo than Wikipedia for Vector 2010 skin == {{Tracked|T424781}} Hello friends. I've been asked to start a community conversation about this. I'd like to propose that Abstract Wikipedia create its own logo, so that folks visiting this wiki don't get it mixed up with Wikipedia. Even though this project is under the Wikipedia domain, I think it's pretty unique and it'd make sense to make sure it doesn't get mixed up with enwiki or other Wikipedias by newbies googling for Wikipedia articles. Thoughts? Thanks. [[User:Novem Linguae|Novem Linguae]] ([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]]) 12:02, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :Isn't there already one? Are we talking about a logo in a different context? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 12:25, 1 May 2026 (UTC) ::Looks like this is just for the Vector 2010 skin. [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia:Main_page?useskin=vector Example.] I'll edit this section and the ticket to clarify that. [[User:Novem Linguae|Novem Linguae]] ([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]]) 12:28, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :::Ah, thank you, I'd {{s}} this then. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 12:31, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :This has been raised before above in [[#Logo]], the same problem appears on Monobook. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 13:45, 1 May 2026 (UTC) ::Would you support using [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/static/images/mobile/copyright/abstractwiki-wordmark.svg the Vector 2022 logo] on Vector 2010 and Monobook? That'd be a simple technical solution. [[User:Novem Linguae|Novem Linguae]] ([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]]) 14:02, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :::Yes, I see no issue with using that for the moment. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 14:04, 1 May 2026 (UTC) == What would it take for AW to catch up to (English) Reasonator? Porting over functions? == The Wikidata tool [https://reasonator.toolforge.org Reasonator] already automatically creates several sentences in English describing human Wikidata items using [https://codeberg.org/magnusmanske/reasonator/commit/b506362c3c2e90b32de32708ec668eee49603cb0 auto_long_desc.js] under [https://codeberg.org/magnusmanske/reasonator/src/commit/a6ee9095c3accfb67845caf438ce83c98c19e38e/LICENSE a GPL 2.0 free software license] without using any large language model or other AI. Abstract Wikipedia, on the other hand, requires [[Help:How to create an article/en|a several step process just to create a lead sentence]]. Does Resonator have functions in [https://codeberg.org/magnusmanske/reasonator/src/commit/a6ee9095c3accfb67845caf438ce83c98c19e38e/public_html/auto_long_desc.js#L406 the English section of auto_long_desc.js] that Wikifunctions doesn't have at the moment? Is that what's preventing Abstract Wikipedia from auto-generating substantial text (at least in English) based off of Wikidata like Resonator does? Below is [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q1339&lang=en an example of what Resonator can generate from Wikidata] without needing human edits the way Abstract Wikipedia does. (Though I omitted some children for the sake of brevity.) <blockquote> '''Johann Sebastian Bach''' was a [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=696651 Saxe-Eisenach]-[https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=12548 Holy Roman Empire]-[https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=183 German] [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=36834 composer], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=765778 organist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=5371902 harpsichordist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=1259917 violinist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=899758 violist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=158852 conductor], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=1076502 choir director], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=691031 concertmaster], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=14915627 musicologist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=16145150 music educator], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=214970 virtuoso], and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=2251335 school teacher]. He was born on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1685-03-21 March 21, 1685] in [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=7070 Eisenach] to [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=309470 Johann Ambrosius Bach] and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=66671 Maria Elisabeth Lämmerhirt]. He studied at [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=1930161 St. Michael's School] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1702-04 April 1702]. His field of work included [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=8361 Baroque music] and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=9730 classical music]. He was [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=215793 chapelmaster] from [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1717-12 December 1717] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1723-04 April 1723] and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=641457 Thomaskantor] from [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1723 1723] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1750 1750]. He worked for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=117540 Collegium Musicum], for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=1230608 Saint Blaise], for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=61689 Leopold, Prince of Anhalt-Köthen], for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=61972 Johann Ernst III, Duke of Saxe-Weimar] from [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1703-01 January 1703] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1703-08 August 1703], for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=699668 Thomasschule zu Leipzig], and for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=798194 Bachkirche Arnstadt] from [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1703-08 August 1703] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1707 1707]. He married [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=57487 Maria Barbara Bach] on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1707-10-17 October 17, 1707] (married until on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1720-07-07 July 7, 1720] ) and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=57212 Anna Magdalena Bach] on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1721-12-03 December 3, 1721] (married until on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1750-07-28 July 28, 1750] ). His children include [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=15079141 Catharina Dorothea Bach], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=107277 Wilhelm Friedemann Bach], […] He died of [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=12202 stroke] on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1750-07-28 July 28, 1750] in [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=2079 Leipzig]. He was buried at [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=170402 St. Thomas Church]. </blockquote> [[User:Lovelano|Lovelano]] ([[User talk:Lovelano|talk]]) 18:41, 1 May 2026 (UTC) == Project scope == Might be a stupid question but what articles are/will be allowed on Abstract Wikipedia? How far is it meant to expand? The language Wikipedias have some differing policies, so might not be as simple as copying those. Personally I find the idea of creating an article for any and every Wikidata item really cool and a good ''baseline'' for what can have an article, but wouldn't ~120 million abstract articles become unwieldy? If the only requirement is that the article topic has a Wikidata item, then there are many interesting possibilities; one could write about individual dates, Wikidata test items, even Wikimedia disambiguation pages. Have not found where this is explained, if anywhere. This may be up to common sense, but trouble is, couldn't one create an encyclopedically meaningful article on just about anything? Pretty important policy not to have if it's undecided, though is not a problem at the moment. Just wondering. [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 23:36, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :This isn't a stupid question and I don't think this is entirely settled. Have you seen [[Abstract Wikipedia:About]]? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 23:57, 1 May 2026 (UTC) ::Ah, I forgot about that page. So it is meant to abstract information from existing Wikipedia articles? Makes sense, though it still raises the question of creating new articles. [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 00:41, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::At this juncture, I don't think anyone has in mind drafting anything new here as such: this is just responding to existing Wikidata items and the possibility of new Wikipedia articles drafted from them, using Wikifunctions. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 00:51, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :I don't think we ever get any article an existing wiki does not have. Even if abstract content creation gets as fast as reasonably possible, it will never beat out typing text, so we will never catch up with, say, enwiki or eswiki. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:10, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::It's also a question of policy. There are topics about which things could be said, but which wouldn't meet the baseline notability or other criteria of the big monolingual wikis. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:22, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::This is true, if we keep [[d:]]'s notability policy (which seems like the most natural one) then there are many subjects that we theoretically can talk about that don't meet the [[w:WP:GNG|GNG]] and similar guidelines. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:25, 2 May 2026 (UTC) == How many articles in how many languages are actually fully available without errors == This is a response to the call in [[:f:Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-02]]. The most important thing to count is already listed there: '''How many articles in how many languages are actually fully available without errors?''' It should be not just a count, but a list: I want to see which articles are readable in which languages; which articles are readable in some languages, but not others (which ones?); which articles are not readable in any language; etc. An even more relevant, but much harder to measure thing is how many of those articles are actually more useful than not having an article at all. There is no article about Boston in many languages, but [[Q100]], which currently says "Boston is the capital of Massachusetts.Boston is the largest city of Massachusetts." is not significantly more useful than nothing at all even if it's fully rendered in another language in which there is no concrete article about it. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 12:12, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :Perhaps this should have been on the talk page of that status update instead of the project chat? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:25, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::The status update is about two projects and so I can understand if there are comments here. What do you think about creating a status update overview page with links to the status updates in Abstract Wikipedia to offer the possibility to discuss the status updates and especially things related to Abstract Wikipedia there. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 18:57, 4 May 2026 (UTC) :::I don't think that's necessary. You can just include your abstractwiki (as in, the live wiki, not the project) related comments on the page on [[f:]], or, if for some reason that's not possible, as a reply to the newsletter announcement here. The point is, the project chat is crowded enough with topics as it is, ideally it should be more focussed on general matters of discussion than close-ended enquiries about topics that have their own talk page. I find Amire80's use of a new == heading here to be improper. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:32, 4 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #246 is out: Request for input: what should we count for Abstract Wikipedia == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-02|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we ask you what would be the relevant metrics for Abstract Wikipedia, we discuss our latest news on Composition Language v2, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 12:21, 2 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30325620 --> == Spaces between sentences, another attempt == [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat#Extra spaces between sentences|A month ago]], @[[User:内存溢出的猫|内存溢出的猫]]<ref group="spaces3>According to Google Translate, it's pronounced "Nèicún yìchū de māo". Please correct me if it's wrong. When I write, I want to know how are things that I write pronounced aloud, and very unfortunately, I never learned to read Chinese characters, and even if I did, most English speakers probably didn't. Come to think of it, is there a function that ''reliably'' transliterates Chinese characters?</ref> That discussion doesn't seem to have yielded any fixes or meaningful discussions, at least not that I can see. [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat#Spaces between sentences|Two weeks ago]], I tried to bring up a similar topic, but that discussion somehow got derailed and also didn't yield anything useful. Now, the problem looks differently, but it's still a problem. When I look at [[Q10251]], for example, what I see is four sentences that ''appear'' with ''no'' spaces between them. Not one, not two—none at all. It looks like this: :Plasma is a fundamental state of matter.Plasma is a classical state of matter.A plasma is a gas.A plasma is a matter. Note that I emphasized ''appear'': When I see them rendered on the screen, they have no spaces between them. In the HTML, however, they are represented as four <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>s, and their inline positioning is handled by CSS. This means, for example, that if I copy and paste them, I don't get a long string with no spaces after full stops, but four sentences with a single line break after each full stop: <poem> Plasma is a fundamental state of matter. Plasma is a classical state of matter. A plasma is a gas. A plasma is a matter. </poem> This is not how it is supposed to be done. <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>s are supposed to be used for block elements and not hacked into appearing as if they are inline (also known as phrasing). Spaces between sentences are supposed to be real characters rather than HTML and CSS tricks, they may be different in different languages, and in some languages they may be nothing at all. I hope that the definition of the problem is clear. <references group="spaces3"></references> [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 12:49, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :Hi, have a look at it [[Special:PermanentLink/7132|now]]. Does this match your expectations? I think it's not rendering right now for whatever reason, but there are other examples of it being done this way that you can see: [[Q241691]]. The article renders properly in both English (spaces between sentences) and Japanese (no spaces at all). : :'''English:''' :<blockquote>Programmed Data Processor is a computer model series by Digital Equipment Corporation. PDP-8 is a Programmed Data Processor.</blockquote> :'''Japanese:''' :<blockquote>PDPシリーズはディジタル・イクイップメント・コーポレーションによるコンピュータ・モデル・シリーズである。PDP-8はPDPシリーズである。</blockquote> : :I have some, err, strong opinions about [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]]'s 「Abstract Wikipedia Editor」 tool, which is the predominant cause for all of these very janky and poorly-laid-out articles that you see. This is not how an article ought to be written on Abstract Wikipedia, and I and other editors are aware of this. If you see these problems, please do fix them! The wiki will be all the better for it. : :In the absence of consensus on such things as these (and awaiting any official policy pages) I have written [[f:User:Theki/best practices]] on my Wikifunctions userpage. You are welcome to read it if you wish. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:20, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::The output of [[Q241691]] looks OK to me in this regard. How was it done? ::[[Q10251]] gives me an error. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:10, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::WikiLambda is doing WikiLambda things. This WASI time limit error happens intermittently on Abstract Wikipedia articles and it usually goes away after a short while. The only thing is that it doesn't really seem like purging these articles does anything to force the orchestrator to retry its evaluation so the article might not render that paragraph until someone comes in and pokes at it by editing it somehow. ::: :::The working article uses the [[f:Z33068|''paragraph from sentences'']] function to lay out its individual sentence content. This function automatically handles converting any and all text-like objects (strings, HTML fragments, and monolingual text) to a consistent form, so sentence fragments can all be supplied verbatim to its list input. When the function is putting the sentences together it defaults to using a single space to separate them, but first checks if the requested language is in the [[f:Z33984|''languages without spaces between sentences'']] list. If it is, it doesn't add spaces at all, and just concatenates the sentences normally. I hope this explanation makes sense. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 18:19, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::::It makes some sense, but earlier, you suggested: "If you see these problems, please do fix them", and I'm not entirely sure how to do it. How would I fix it in [[Q100]], for example? [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 19:41, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::::In this case you would do the following: :::::# At the bottom, click the plus and then 「Add empty fragment」. :::::# Set the function to [[f:Z33068]], as mentioned earlier. :::::# Now go through each sentence fragment, find the innermost sentence-generation function, click on the three dots, and copy it. Do not copy the calls to [[f:Z29749]] or similar, these are not necessary. :::::# Go to the ''paragraph with sentences'' function call and add an element to the list. :::::# Click on the three dots next to the new element, and paste in the earlier sentence fragment. :::::# You can now delete the original fragment and repeat the process in the same list for the one after it. :::::&mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 19:46, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Theki|Theki]] I intend on fixing it, I recently made an attempt but the suggested fixes made problems worse. Do you have any practical suggestions of how to structure the templates? I will try to implement them when I have more time. ::Also your name is very confusing, are you in the process of getting it changed wiki-wide? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:36, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::Um, are you referring to my signature not matching my wiki username? I have considered for a long time changing it from ''theki'', but I don't feel like putting in the effort when it seems to be perfectly ignorable for most people. The user 「''Rae''」 can't be usurped because they made, like, two or three articles on the Persian Wikipedia two decades ago or something, I don't know. If that weren't the case I would be User:Rae right now but after that failed to go through I just decided to stop bothering. Maybe at some point I'll come up with a username I'm happy with keeping for the foreseeable future but I have other concerns at the moment. :::Could you explain how your attempted fixes 「made problems worse」? Presently I side with Feeglgeef's sentiments and prefer to wait for abstract content to actually be feasible to make on a reasonably descriptive scale (see: the type proposals) before I go around making articles willy-nilly, which is what AWE has been doing—making a bunch of pretty low-quality articles on a massive scale when it probably ''really'' would have been better to, err, hold off on that. :::And I honestly know very little about the actual workings of your editor, I don't really use it nor am I familiar with its template syntax or whatever it may use, so I'm going to look over how it actually works and then get back to you on that. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 23:28, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Using this [[f:Z33068]] made things worse [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 00:44, 3 May 2026 (UTC) :::::That did not go through correctly but I do not think we have a proper thing for it. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 00:45, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::What? Could you elaborate? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 01:00, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::{{ping|Immanuelle}} I checked. Your issue is that your editor is not providing the article language to Z33068K2; that is, the ''paragraph from sentences'' function has a second argument, and your editor was omitting it. If you properly specify it, it will work. Please, next time, actually tell me what went wrong instead of going quiet and forcing me to look after it myself. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:06, 4 May 2026 (UTC) :I avoid [[f:Z33068]] for now, because executing a whole paragraph in a single call would often time out. So my current alternative is inserting [[f:Z35672]] between sentences. Fairly clunky, but it works... --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 06:08, 28 May 2026 (UTC) ::Can you categorize the talk pages of articles you're doing that with? It has major accessibility concerns for our friends using screen readers, so it'd be nice to be able to find those with issues when were able to fix the calls [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:50, 28 May 2026 (UTC) :::I think the new tool can show us this (via dumps). For example, here are the uses of 'paragraph': https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/zid/Z32123 --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 23:07, 28 May 2026 (UTC) ::::There's more than one way to not use spaces correctly and more than one way to use spaces correctly, this wouldn't catch all of them. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:13, 28 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I'm not totally sure what you want to track, but I'm confident that this will find all my uses. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 02:10, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::::I think it slipped past everyone's notice, but I made a template for linking to that sort of information @ [[Template:Zd|<nowiki>{{</nowiki>zd<nowiki>}}</nowiki>]]. {{zd|Z35672|sentence separator}} <span style="font-size:smaller;opacity:0.8">(I don't think the database dumps have noticed the function you're using yet, so it's a 404 at the moment.)</span> &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 01:09, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Most used fragments == [[:f:Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-02|The latest status update]] lists the most used fragments: "[[:f:Z32123]] with 1452, followed by [[:f:Z27868]] with 736 and [[:f:Z29749]] with 650)". How was this calculated? [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 13:44, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :Again, this should definitely have been on the talk page for that status update. This isn't the everything page, it should be used for discussion relating to the wiki. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:26, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::It's not a question just about the status update, even if it was prompted by it. It's a question about Abstract Wikipedia that can be relevant beyond the status update. ::Stop policing how people use discussion pages without a particularly good reason. If you don't have an answer to the actual question, don't write anything. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 19:38, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::I have to agree with Feeglgeef that this would be better raised on the status update's talk page itself. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 19:42, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::I'm "policing" which discussion pages are being used for the same reason different discussion spaces exist in the first place. And your distinction between "just about" and "prompted by" is irrelevant. If I want to ask someone how they did something, I would ask them first, not go to a general discussion board. This is still the project ''chat'', not a Q&A zone. {{ping|DVrandecic (WMF)|p=,}} can you please answer the question? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:22, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :I have a local script that I have run on a local copy. Nothing more complicated than that. Could also be very wrong -- the script hasn't been peer-reviewed or anything. --[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]] ([[User talk:DVrandecic (WMF)|talk]]) 08:54, 4 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thanks, @[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]]. Can you share the code, please? I'll be happy to review it. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 15:30, 4 May 2026 (UTC) ==Wiktionary integration== I was trying out a few functions recently, such as [https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z27243 the new superlative function], and I noticed that ''every adjective'' has to be a Wikidata item. For example, I couldn't type in the inputs "Bugatti Veyron", "fast", "Earth" because "fast" as an adjective is not a Wikidata item. This doesn't really make sense, given that Wiktionary already has the word for "fast" and its superlative form in many different languages. Would it be possible to integrate Wiktionary into the function, so the user can type an adjective or verb from Wiktionary instead of having to deal with Wikidata (which consists almost entirely of nouns)? [[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] ([[User talk:Somepinkdude|talk]]) 16:49, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :No, sadly. I would try "speed" as the adjective, though, you have to use abstract qualities instead of concrete English terms. [[File:Wikifunctions Superlative speed example.png|thumb|Here's an example of the word being used.]] [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:02, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :Wikidata has standard items as well as lexeme data, so if anything, we should try to integrate those. E.g. [[:d:Lexeme:L1029]]. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 19:48, 6 May 2026 (UTC) ::I tried this, and it gave "Bugatti Veyron is the speedest car on Earth", which is laughably bad. The problem is that Wikidata does not "know" what the superlative form is, while Wiktionary does. Speed is a fairly common descriptor, but what about less common adjectives which aren't on Wikidata? Will there need to be a bot to copy all of this information from Wiktionary? [[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] ([[User talk:Somepinkdude|talk]]) 22:14, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :::I'm not suggesting that the functionality works <em>now</em>, but that we need to integrate the funcationality. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 22:17, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :::Well, no, the superlative form is chosen by [[f:Z12203]]. I think there's a bug with the English implementation that calls that function wrong. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:19, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] I did find the item {{Q|Q19807466}} which was linked to a concept database's entry for "fast"; I have at least linked it to the English lexeme "fast" and will try to add more links at a better hour. [[User:Mahir256|Mahir256]] ([[User talk:Mahir256|talk]]) 04:18, 7 May 2026 (UTC) == Showcase == I was wondering if there's a curated list of decent articles to learn by example here on Abstract Wikipedia? [[User:Fgnievinski|Fgnievinski]] ([[User talk:Fgnievinski|talk]]) 02:02, 8 May 2026 (UTC) :Unfortunately not, and, honestly, I wouldn't recommend article creation at the moment, it's likely to need significant refactoring as the way we represent abstract content changes, but, I can point you to [[Q668]] as a reasonably good example at the moment. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:39, 8 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you. "308 languages" blew my mind – well done! [[User:Fgnievinski|Fgnievinski]] ([[User talk:Fgnievinski|talk]]) 02:54, 8 May 2026 (UTC) :::308 is the number of ''concrete'' Wikipedias in which a manually-written article about India is available. :::The abstract article renders for me in English as "India is a country in Asia. India is a republic. New Delhi is the capital of India. India is the most populous country in world." Switching to another language to get rendered as an abstract article is done by typing the language's name in the box above the rendered text. I tried French, German, and Dutch, and got errors in all of them. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 03:12, 8 May 2026 (UTC) ::::So it goes. The paragraph has quite a lot of distinct sentence generation functions, all of which of course have to be implemented in the target language. This will be rounded out once we're able to more effectively generalize linguistic content. I view these functions as sort of patchy temporary solutions to the sentence generation problem while we figure out something more robust, which I hope is soon to come. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 04:15, 8 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #247 is out: References from Wikidata now available == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-08|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we announce that is now possible to pass references in Wikidata statements, we introduce the [https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/ Abstract Data dashboard], we report you on the presentation about Abstract Wikipedia at WikiCon Australia, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Also, we remind you that if you have questions or ideas to discuss, the next '''Volunteers' Corner''' will be held on '''[https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1778520600 May 11, at 17:30 UTC]''' ([https://meet.google.com/xuy-njxh-rkw link to the meeting]). Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 11:16, 8 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30325620 --> == about the usage of Z33068 == The use of [[f:Z33068]] (en: paragraph from sentences) <s>always</s> most of the time results in the error "Reached time limit in orchestrator." So should it be used at all for now, temporarily? Or maybe there are already some tickets about this that I am not aware of? -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 18:23, 10 May 2026 (UTC) :It previously worked, so I'm hoping whatever the issue is will be fixed soon. The current state of the wiki makes [[m:Immediatism|immediatism]] an illogical philosophy to have at the moment, in my opinion. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:16, 10 May 2026 (UTC) ::This issue seems to no longer exist, you might need to clear the cache by making a dummy edit on affected articles. I implemented the function in Python (instead of composition), which has increased the speed by about 2000 ms. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 04:31, 11 May 2026 (UTC) :::Seems like working. Thank you. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 19:06, 11 May 2026 (UTC) == Manual of Style == I've created a [[Abstract Wikipedia:Manual of Style|draft for a Manual of Style]]. Please feel free to comment on or make bold edits to the page. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:29, 11 May 2026 (UTC) :Thank you! That’s great and I’ll look at it more soon. I’m still taking a bit of a wikibreak. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:32, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :Is there anything I've written [[f:User:Theki/best_practices#Abstract_Wikipedia|here]] that you think would make for a good technical section of the page? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 00:04, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::I've added some of them. Thank you for your list of best practices by the way, I generally agree with them (I can't endorse connecting WD items currently in hope of a better technical solution, but otherwise I do). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 00:58, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Proposals on the architecture of Abstract Content rendering == Starting from a discussion born on the Wikifunctions Telegram chat, I've explained two different proposals on how the NLG on Abstract Wikipedia should be organized in the page [[User:Dv103/Abstract articles architectures]]. Please come to contribute to the discussion, or to propose alternatives. [[User:Dv103|Dv103]] ([[User talk:Dv103|talk]]) 14:32, 11 May 2026 (UTC) == [[MediaWiki:Wikimedia-copyright-footer]] == The copyright message has a few issues, mainly that it does not address abstract content (which is not "text"), nor object labels (which are under CC0). Proposed text: "<nowiki> Text and abstract content are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License]; the labels of objects from [[f:|Wikifunctions]] are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ Creative Commons CC0 License]; additional terms may apply. See [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Terms_of_Use Terms of Use] for details. </nowiki>" Which, when rendered, looks like: Text and abstract content are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License]; the labels of objects from [[f:|Wikifunctions]] are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ Creative Commons CC0 License]; additional terms may apply. See [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Terms_of_Use Terms of Use] for details. The message is somewhat inspired by the current one and WF's. Thoughts? Thank you! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:30, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: As you probably imagine, this text is very tightly controlled by the Wikimedia Foundation's Legal department. I think the first port of call should be a discussion about why you might want to change things, rather than a rush to specific re-wordings, before approaching them for sign-off. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 14:28, 12 May 2026 (UTC) ::Well I briefly summarized my justification, my proposed text was just an idea for a starting point. Basically, the abstract content is not really "text", so the footer doesn't actually tell the reader what they're allowed to do with it, and I argue that the current wording implies that the labels are licensed under CC-BY-SA 4, when they aren't. I think a change is critical as otherwise we're not showing the reader a license, or, arguably, in the case of labels, showing users a license that ''does not apply'', which is a pretty bad thing. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:51, 12 May 2026 (UTC) == [[MediaWiki:AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions.json]] == I'd think we should add [[f:Z33068]] here. The function allows you to form a paragraph out of sentences and handles languages having different standards of whether to add a space between them, and adding it here would make finding it easier. I'm not sure what policy we want to have for the suggested functions, this idea might help formulate it. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:06, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :[[User:Jdforrester (WMF)]] tells me the page has been changed to [[Special:CommunityConfiguration/AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions]] on the telegram. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:25, 12 May 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: Yup, see the weekly update on [[f:Wikifunctions:Status_updates/2026-05-02|2026-05-02]]. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 16:35, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :I also believe Z33068 should be added to the list. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:25, 12 May 2026 (UTC) {{done}} see [[Special:Diff/7692]]. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 09:08, 20 May 2026 (UTC) == Abstract Wikipedia statistics site source code == https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/ is a very useful tool, but it doesn't seem to have anything pointing to the location of its source code. Is it closed-source or unfree? While I'm at it I feel I should suggest having language pages' paths formatted differently from how they are currently—at the moment it's <code>/languages/Toki%20Pona</code> when something like <code>/languages/tok</code> would be more suitable. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; : See [[:gitlab:toolforge-repos/abstract-data]]. Also pinging {{ping|DSantamaria-WMF|p=}} (thanks for the tool, by the way). [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 00:25, 13 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you. I think a link to that repository should be put in a footer somewhere on the website as I wouldn't have found that if not for you. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 02:30, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::{{ping|Theki}} For the record, I found that repo by searching for "abstract-data" on [[:toolhub:|Toolhub]]. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 03:34, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::Thanks for the feedback and the report, fixed both things, we have now the link to the repo in the side bar footer, and also the language codes are used in the URLs. Thanks! [[User:DSantamaria-WMF|DSantamaria-WMF]] ([[User talk:DSantamaria-WMF|talk]]) 11:46, 13 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Are you particularly attached to keeping country flag emojis next to the language names? Some consider it an [https://flagsarenotlanguages.com/blog anti-pattern]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 16:17, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I think the use of flags is not really harmful since this is not a ''language selector'', it is just a list of languages. Of course not every language has an associated flag, for example Latin, which does look a bit awkward, but it can't be helped. Maybe give languages without a flag a unique icon from Wikimedia Commons? e.g. <div style="display:inline-flex;align-items:center;border:1px solid #0002;border-radius:4px;gap:4px;padding:4px;">[[File:Toki pona.svg|16px]] Toki Pona</div> instead of <div style="display:inline-flex;align-items:center;border:1px solid #0002;border-radius:4px;gap:4px;padding:4px;"><span>🌐</span>Toki Pona</div>. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 16:37, 14 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::I thought I saw 🏛️ being used for Latin earlier. But of course, as far as the Unicode Consortium is concerned, [[Q65300415|🇬🇧]] doesn't mean '[[Q1680|English]]', no more than [[Q100587670|🏳️‍🌈]] means '[[Q1359130|Polari]]'; technically, it doesn't even mean '[[Q145|United Kingdom]]', just the letters 🇺 and 🇰 next to each other (which linguistically would indicate [[Q8798|Ukrainian]] in ISO 639, but these are 'regional indicator symbols'). [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 17:21, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::As seems (from this comment and also [[f:User_talk:DSantamaria-WMF#c-%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4-20260513063700-Country_flags_in_abstract-data|others' comments]]) that flags are a little bit controversial, I just removed them, IMHO it was just an aesthetic concept, I like the look and feel that flags bring to the language labels, but happy to remove them if make some people feel uncomfortable with the concept. [[User:DSantamaria-WMF|DSantamaria-WMF]] ([[User talk:DSantamaria-WMF|talk]]) 05:54, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Make it more user Friendly == Make it more user-friendly by adding drag-and-drop compenots and one click additions, and make it similar to a visual macro buidler. [[User:ChippyTechGH|ChippyTechGH]] ([[User talk:ChippyTechGH|talk]]) 01:00, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :Could you file something like this on [[phab:|phabricator]]? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:01, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Person infoboxes == Hi all, I've just created [[f:Z35167|infobox for person (Z35167)]]. All it can really do presently is display the name of the person in the chosen language and in the person's native language, but it's a good start. I started writing it as a composition but chose to switch to writing it in JavaScript instead, which ended up being less headache-inducing (managing a large list of strings to concatenate together is not fun, plus compositions bring lots of additional overhead). Unfortunately, this means that the actual ''useful'' parts of the infobox—the information about the person themself—is not really doable. I'd need to dereference the Wikidata property references to get their label in the requested language, but since they're references and I'm working with code, not compositions, I can't just call [[f:Z6822|fetch Wikidata property (Z6822)]] and be done with it. If there's a WikiLambda API to do this inside of the JS itself that would be great and would solve everything, but at the moment that alone is what's holding it back, or so it seems. I can get the actual ''values'' of statements just fine, though. If I am missing some amazing WikiLambda API function that will solve this problem for me by letting me dereference the PID, then please let me know because that would be great. If you want to look at an example of the infobox right meow, you can view [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/tok/Q317521 Q317521 in Toki Pona] and see how it states Musk's name in both Toki Pona ''and'' his native English name. COOL! My hope is that this can be made less barebones in the near future. Infoboxes are a great way to get quick information on a subject and can fill in the informational gaps in the presently sparse articles we have at the moment, all while staying in the user's requested language. Feedback is appreciated! &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 02:58, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :Thank you for this! I wonder if perhaps it would be better to create one "infobox" function and then have compositions call that, making wd retrival possible? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:38, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::Working on that at the moment, I think I've got it working but I'm hitting a ratelimit in the orchestrator so I don't know for sure. The main issue with it now is that the actual [[f:Z35175|infobox template (Z35175)]] wrapper was programmed in JS so as to not be a pain in the ass, so this means that it can only take in strings, HTML fragments, etc. so the retrieval of Wikidata stuff still needs to be done by the caller and is rather verbose (see [[f:Z35168|the main implementation]]). The niceties will come soon later once I know that it all works at a lower level, though. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 05:04, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::So the problem now seems to be that when [[f:Z29825|label of Wikidata property in language (Z29825)]] isn't being faulty, it's being incredibly slow. Considering retrieving Wikidata items from their references seems to take, like, four to five seconds, and we'll have tens of statements in these infoboxes, I don't see how the property names could be retrieved in a way that doesn't cause the orchestrator to time out or hit a ratelimit. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 06:01, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::I think I figured something out? I'm just going to try calling [[f:Z35036|fetch Wikidata property or parts (Z35036)]], it seems to be much faster for whatever reason. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 06:05, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::It works now, a little rough around the edges, also very slow, but I think I'm mostly happy with it. Of course it would be great if all you needed to provide to the template function to get a label-statement row was the property reference itself, but I'm too sleep-deprived to figure that out at the moment. I made five bespoke functions specifically for this infobox, more than I would like, but it's probably not ''that'' bad. I'm just hoping I didn't duplicate any functionality in trying to make the composition less verbose and repetitive. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 07:15, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #248 is out: A higher meaning == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-15|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we discuss functions creating language fragments, we present our latest news in Types, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 14:36, 15 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30536976 --> == Translations == Yes, this question is probably easily answerable through a Web search, but I thought I'd ask here anyways. I am unfortunately not bilingual... I know Toki Pona, but it's a constructed language. I'd love to be a polyglot of some sorts but that is a future thing. I've been trying to translate pages into tok, for funsies mostly. At any rate, I want to convert some of the un-translated pages, namely Feeglgeef's policy drafts, into ones that can be translated (and then translate them into Toki Pona of course). I think I have to be a translation administrator for this? Which is a process that I'd have to ''apply'' for, and I doubt I have the credentials to be accepted for such a role. Regardless, is there a way I can go about this without having to do it through someone else? I can probably easily find documentation on marking pages for translation but I don't know how much I'm actually capable of doing as just a regular user. Should I apply? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 14:15, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :Most of the process of preparing a page for translation can be done by any editor. See [[:mw:Help:Extension:Translate/Page translation example]]. :The step of marking a page or translation for the first time or after changes must be done by a translation administrator. :I recommend learning the <nowiki><translate> and <tvar></nowiki> syntax and using it on a few pages before applying for this permission. After you do it on a few pages, and you feel confident, and you want to do it more, you can ask for the permission. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 14:28, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::Just to confirm, did I mark up [[Special:Diff/8138|this page]] for translation properly? I thought to give the hatnote its own <code>&lt;translate&gt;</code> enclosure so as to exclude the indent and italicization from needing to be included in the translatable text. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:10, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::Mostly properly, but don't exclude <code><nowiki>''</nowiki></code> for italics from translation. It's generally a good idea to exclude complex markup from translation because it's hard for many people to type, and it usually stays the same in translation anyway. <code><nowiki>''</nowiki></code> for italics is different, however: it's very simple to type and familiar to most editors; italic letters are used differently in different languages, and in some languages they aren't used at all, so translators need the freedom to use them appropriately; this markup can also appear in the middle of a translation unit and not only in the ends. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 15:35, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Thank you for the guidance. Should the italics be included if they are used over the entire hatnote? I figure that placement of italics should be left up to the discretion of the translators, but the hatnote itself is meant to be entirely italicized, I would think irrespective of the language it's in. Is this the right idea or should they still be kept within the translation unit? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:45, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::::Yes, italics should be included in the translation unit if they are used over the entire hatnote. Some languages don't use italic writing at all, so it shouldn't be forced. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:36, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :I'd support a translation administrator request ;), for reasons below. I'm not sure why we need a seperate translation administrator right, or why we have to call it an "administrator" (deciding that a page could be translated is a much less important role than, say, page deletion, or blocking). We picked three of them (well, one of them went through the WMF, so we picked two), [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=pagetranslation&user=&page=&excludetempacct=1&wpdate=&tagfilter=&wpfilters%5B%5D=newusers&wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist they don't appear very active, though], only marking 9 times this month, zero (0) of which were for pages marked for the first time. Both community translation admins used their global history and rights to get the role and only stop by occasionally, so having one who ''actually'' edits here would be nice. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:06, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::This reply echos my philosophy of a sort of wiki-[[Q166005|xenophobia]] (the term xenophobia is probably too harsh, and I wouldn't consider myself one in real life, but it's the best word I can think of), I generally distrust users with a lot of global rights (both global sysop etc. and large amounts of local rights) who come make [[m:Metapedianism|metapedian]] contributions, not as people but to their ability to handle Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia as incredibly unique and technically complex projects. I apologize if it my opinions come off as rude or ungrateful, I do appreciate the work of our translation administrators. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:26, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::You don't bother me, it's fine. I think they definitely have a place, they can be useful and they usually are. Obviously local admins and what have you that earned their roles through the trust and reputation of the specific community they are in are going to occupy a more trusting position in my mind than a global sysop or global ''anything''. Specialized role members are good and healthy in the long term; I think we are giving these privileges to global users sparingly as the project is still in its infancy and as core contributors emerge and take up key positions we will have a more well-rounded and self-sustaining community with less global privileges needed to take up certain tasks. Wikifunctions probably needed some Foundation members or other staff to act as functioneers initially while the general community was still orienting themselves with WikiLambda and working on applying for the role, but now we have [[f:Special:ListUsers/functioneer|74(!) of them]] and the number of normal members using their specialized skills outnumbers those who were "grandfathered" in (for lack of a better term) or similar. The wiki is young—it just needs time. I myself have been considering applying for sysop privileges since they are obviously needed (there being exactly Zero of them at the moment); I've been weighing the pros and cons of such a commitment, it's obviously a lot to take up. I wish your sysop request went through, I think you would have made a great admin here. I'm unsure of what others think of my capabilities, I'm rather in-and-out around these social spaces so I don't know if there's much to go off of. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:55, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Totally agree, and I'd support a sysopship request as well, though I'm apparently not good at assessing what the community considers supportable in admin candidate ;). ::::Off-topic, but interestingly, the sysop toolset allows you to grant yourself translation adminship. I'm not sure if sysops are expected not to grant themselves the permissions (kind of like how on enwiki 'crats are expected not grant themselves any rights without discussion despite having the technical rights), but I did it to myself on WF because [https://www.wikifunctions.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=84940 another sysop had]. Additionally, the functioneer right [[Special:ListGroupRights#functioneer|exists on this wiki]], with the same rights on WF, despite all of them not doing anything on this wiki. I believe this is because, on the technical side, both AW and WF are powered by the same MediaWiki extension (Wikilambda), with one wiki set to a mode for abstract articles and another set to a mode for ZObjects. [https://dag.wikipedia.org/wiki/Di%C5%8B%27gahim:ListGroupRights#functioneer Checking the Dagbani Wikipedia] supports this theory. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:00, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::::It always depends on the local policy. For Wikifunctions it is: ''Administrators do not need to undergo another discussion to become translation administrators; they can self-grant the rights to their account if necessary. Temporary administrators are not allowed to self-grant permanent translation administrator rights.'' :::::The availability of the functioneer right is a bug, see [[phab:T407066]]. --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 19:36, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::If you don't consider yourself a xenophobe in real life, I would recommend not calling yourself that here, or anywhere really. Especially since it was the ideological capture during the 2010s of the Croatian-language Wikipedia [[w:hr:]] by actual xenophobes that was part of the impetus for Abstract Wikipedia according to [https://simia.net/wiki/Draft:_Collaborating_on_the_sum_of_all_knowledge_across_languages#A_look_on_some_south_Slavic_language_Wikipedias Denny's blog]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 22:10, 26 May 2026 (UTC) == Policy drafts == Hi all! I've written some draft policies and guidelines over the last few days. We're not a bureaucracy, so the point is not to set some rules but to kick off some discussions as to how our wiki will work. So far, I've created: * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability|a notability guideline]] * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy|a deletion policy]] I've written them as my opinion on what should happen, but I'm hoping to align them with community consensus as we discuss them more. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:44, 21 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #249 is out: Annual plan 2026-2027 == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-23|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we present you the current draft of objectives for Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia in the WMF Annual Plan 2026-2027, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 09:48, 25 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30536976 --> == To abstract Wikipedia or be the Abstract Wikipedia == There is a discussion happening about what the [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability|notability criteria]] for Abstract Wikipedia should be, and in trying to participate I've found my idea of Abstract Wikipedia is awfully abstract. Is Abstract Wikipedia supposed to abstract Wikipedia, as in abstracting information from existing articles on the language Wikipedias (barring new contributions), or is it supposed to become the Abstract Wikipedia, supporting collaboration across all languages like it's the language Wikipedia to end all language Wikipedias (allowing new contributions)? I thought the answer would be obvious, but the name Abstract Wikipedia is a bit ambiguous. Am I missing something? [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 02:16, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :I think ({{ping|DVrandecic (WMF)|p=?}}) the idea is (and I personally prefer) the latter. I believe that, given the fact that it's much easier to write a concrete article than an abstract article, and the fact that the community of potential future contributors on enwiki is skeptical ''at best'', we ultimately will never expand beyond the size of other wikis, but I see no problem with allowing volunteers to add information not on other wikis (it's probably not the most effective, but they're volunteers, beggars can't be choosers), as long as it's not vandalism, useless, or promotional slop. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:31, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] Abstract Wikipedia is a Wikipedia, where people can collaborate across languages on articles, which can then be used to fill gaps in the existing Wikipedias. Whereas I expect that current Wikipedia articles might be used as a convenient starting point for many of the articles in Abstract Wikipedia, this is more a consequence of Wikipedia being one of the best places to go to to find reliable knowledge, but that is not part of how it is supposed to work. So, this is not to abstract the existing Wikipedias, but to collaborate on an Abstract Wikipedia. At no point is this meant to replace existing Wikipedias. (Thanks to @[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] for the ping!) --[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]] ([[User talk:DVrandecic (WMF)|talk]]) 17:01, 27 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you, this makes a lot more sense now. [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 21:52, 27 May 2026 (UTC) == template suggestion == Some way to mock abstract syntax on talk and project pages, analogous to those in [[d:category:format Template]]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 15:21, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :Hmm. I agree. :Workshopping ideas for how it works: :* Invokation: <nowiki>{{Call|Z26039|{"Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1"}|{"Z1K1": "Z6091", "Z6091K1": "Q634"}|{"Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1"}|lang=en}}</nowiki> :** This could then be suplemented by helper templates: <nowiki>{{Call|Z26039|{{Wikidata item argument reference}}|{{Wikidata item reference|Q634}}|{{Language argument reference}}}}</nowiki> :* This would result in "[[f:Z26039|subject is instance of (string)]] (wikidata item reference, [[d:Q634|planet]], language)" :** Icons are missing in this example, I'm not sure if we can actually add them :Thoughts? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:04, 27 May 2026 (UTC) == Marking NLG Default text == Some NLG functions give default texts, like [[f:Z33420|Z33420]] will give text like "Paris ∈ {city}". sometimes in other languages the English text is show. Currently there is no visual clue that these texts are not normal text in the requested language. I propose we mark these text with color <span style="color:magenta;">Paris ∈ {city}</span> with something like <nowiki><span style="color:magenta;">Paris ∈ {city}</span></nowiki>. To have this configurable/maintainable this could be included in a function, called NLG default text or so, with a text as input an a text in color as output. The exact formatting like magenta color or gray background or something else can be discussed/decided later. To have it even more configurable on personal stylesheets it could use a class like <nowiki><span class="NLG Default text">Paris ∈ {city}</span></nowiki>. What do you think? Could somebody make such a function already? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 12:00, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :The are technically just monolingual texts in a language called "multiple languages". I threw a prototype together really quickly, [[f:Z35839]]. It will accept strings, monolingual texts, and html fragments as input, so you have to select which type you want. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:59, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::OK, thanks, I added it to [[f:Z26039]] and works as expected, see [https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Z26039?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z26039%22%2C%22Z26039K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q64%22%7D%2C%22Z26039K2%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q515%22%7D%2C%22Z26039K3%22%3A%22Z1555%22%7D here]. The test for the function with default text now fails because it now is in magenta color. That was to be expected. I will leave the tests unchanged if that is OK with you, as we might need to change the exact formatting. ::Is it OK to add this to other NLG functions that produce default output? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 15:59, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :::Sure, [[w:en:WP:Be bold|be bold]]! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:50, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Ratification of the deletion policy proposal? == I haven't seen any unresolved objections to my proposal for a [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy|policy for deletion]]. Does anybody have any issues, and, if not, is it ok to ratify as an actual policy? I intend to remove the draft template and replace it with a policy template unless anyone voices any objection within a week. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:55, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :Is it just me or does [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Reasons for deletion]] render blank with only number bullets without the actual text after ''1.'' or ''2.''? [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 07:13, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::I see text. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 07:49, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::I can see on my phone, but it goes blank on my laptop. What is the role of ''<nowiki><span class="anchor" id="1"></nowiki>''? [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 12:15, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::::{{ping|Bunnypranav}} I can see the text everywhere (I tested connected and not connected, on my phone, laptop, with Chrome or Firefox ; what system do you use?). As the name suggest, the span anchor is here to create an HTML anchor, so you can do link like [[Abstract_Wikipedia:Deletion_policy#7]]. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 13:49, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I'm on Brave browser. Nevertheless, forget it. The culprit might be some random customization I did to my system which I cannot recollect. The reason is the span tag only though, tried a preview kicking out a text to just outside the tag and it worked. [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 14:23, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :Globally, it looks fine. I think that reasons 7 and 8 may need some examples/clarifications. There is no global consensus when it comes to creating categories. For example, categories for building interiors and exteriors. Personally, I feel that they are useful for easier discoverability. [[User:Jsamwrites|John Samuel]] ([[User:Jsamwrites|talk]]) 15:39, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::I've copied them over from enwiki. They're probably included in "content otherwise not suited for an encyclopedia." Since sysops can't speedy them, it'd be up to commenters on [[Abstract:RFD]] to determine. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:48, 30 May 2026 (UTC) k74atwotfcmcbnqrecgil01eo4cr0p0 9225 9224 2026-05-30T17:02:06Z HenkvD 1447 /* Marking NLG Default text */ Reply 9225 wikitext text/x-wiki {{#ifexist:Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat/Header/{{USERLANGUAGE}}|{{/Header/{{USERLANGUAGE}}}}|{{/Header}}}} {{/Archives}} <!-- Add your discussion below this line --> == Why don't we just structure this with wikitemplates? == I feel like the project could be done a lot better by using templates kind of like how wikipedia does them. Just the entire thing is templates that can be rendered in many languages. So like [[Q106289265]] would have the content <nowiki>{{Z26039|Q7257}}</nowiki> and could even have some aliasing done across languages so it could be <nowiki>{{subject is|Q7257}}</nowiki>. Code would be editable with a regular visual editor or code editor. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:34, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :This is available in pages when Parsoid rendering is enabled. We don't use this becuase it doesn't make sense for constructing and editing massive articles. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC) ::How do you do parsoid rendering? And why wouldn't it make sense? With aliases and everything could work great. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:12, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :::I believe it is enabled by default. If you do have it on: {{#function:Z10000|you'll s|ee this}} [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:54, 30 March 2026 (UTC) :you may be interested in reading this old [[m:Abstract_Wikipedia/Google.org_Fellows_evaluation|Google report]]. [[User:BrokenSegue|BrokenSegue]] ([[User talk:BrokenSegue|talk]]) 14:32, 9 May 2026 (UTC) == Why the editing API doesn't work == {{tracked|T423542}} Immanuelle wrongly stated that there is no REST API for editing. [[#REST API for editing?|There is]]. However, it does not work when called from software outside Abstract Wikipedia. That is because there is no way to grant a bot password or OAuth customer the permission to edit abstract articles (<code>wikilambda-abstract-edit</code>) and create them (<code>wikilambda-abstract-create</code>), since no grant on [[Special:ListGrants]] includes either. Should this be fixed? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 01:57, 26 April 2026 (UTC) :Yes I think the rights should be added. I think the number of automated edits should be low at the moment as Abstract Wikipedia is still in an early phase and so far there is not much support for small languages and so many functions will maybe change to cover more languages. As automatic editing using a Bot Account requires an formal request it is no problem if the option exists. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 18:17, 26 April 2026 (UTC) :Sounds good to me. Could we add a bot section to [[Abstract Wikipedia:Requests for permissions]]? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:35, 5 May 2026 (UTC) ::[[Abstract_Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions#Bot]] ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 23:56, 5 May 2026 (UTC) == Q884 == The page [[Q884]] has inaccurate statements about the head of government and the head of state of South Korea. Part of what it returns in English is "Lee Ju-ho is the head of government of South Korea.Park Geun-hye is the head of state of South Korea." However, neither Lee Ju-ho nor Park Geun-hye currently have their respective roles mentioned here. How should these statements be turned into ones using the past tense? [[User:Intolerable situation|Intolerable situation]] ([[User talk:Intolerable situation|talk]]) 14:44, 30 April 2026 (UTC) :not currently possible :((((( [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:46, 30 April 2026 (UTC) :Feeglgeef is correct, past tense sentence generation is something we are sorely lacking at the moment. If you look at [[f:WF:Type proposals#Representing abstract content|Wikifunctions' type proposals]] you can see some initiatives that could hopefully mitigate this. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 13:49, 1 May 2026 (UTC) == Abstract Wikipedia should use a different mw-wiki-logo than Wikipedia for Vector 2010 skin == {{Tracked|T424781}} Hello friends. I've been asked to start a community conversation about this. I'd like to propose that Abstract Wikipedia create its own logo, so that folks visiting this wiki don't get it mixed up with Wikipedia. Even though this project is under the Wikipedia domain, I think it's pretty unique and it'd make sense to make sure it doesn't get mixed up with enwiki or other Wikipedias by newbies googling for Wikipedia articles. Thoughts? Thanks. [[User:Novem Linguae|Novem Linguae]] ([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]]) 12:02, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :Isn't there already one? Are we talking about a logo in a different context? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 12:25, 1 May 2026 (UTC) ::Looks like this is just for the Vector 2010 skin. [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia:Main_page?useskin=vector Example.] I'll edit this section and the ticket to clarify that. [[User:Novem Linguae|Novem Linguae]] ([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]]) 12:28, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :::Ah, thank you, I'd {{s}} this then. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 12:31, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :This has been raised before above in [[#Logo]], the same problem appears on Monobook. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 13:45, 1 May 2026 (UTC) ::Would you support using [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/static/images/mobile/copyright/abstractwiki-wordmark.svg the Vector 2022 logo] on Vector 2010 and Monobook? That'd be a simple technical solution. [[User:Novem Linguae|Novem Linguae]] ([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]]) 14:02, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :::Yes, I see no issue with using that for the moment. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 14:04, 1 May 2026 (UTC) == What would it take for AW to catch up to (English) Reasonator? Porting over functions? == The Wikidata tool [https://reasonator.toolforge.org Reasonator] already automatically creates several sentences in English describing human Wikidata items using [https://codeberg.org/magnusmanske/reasonator/commit/b506362c3c2e90b32de32708ec668eee49603cb0 auto_long_desc.js] under [https://codeberg.org/magnusmanske/reasonator/src/commit/a6ee9095c3accfb67845caf438ce83c98c19e38e/LICENSE a GPL 2.0 free software license] without using any large language model or other AI. Abstract Wikipedia, on the other hand, requires [[Help:How to create an article/en|a several step process just to create a lead sentence]]. Does Resonator have functions in [https://codeberg.org/magnusmanske/reasonator/src/commit/a6ee9095c3accfb67845caf438ce83c98c19e38e/public_html/auto_long_desc.js#L406 the English section of auto_long_desc.js] that Wikifunctions doesn't have at the moment? Is that what's preventing Abstract Wikipedia from auto-generating substantial text (at least in English) based off of Wikidata like Resonator does? Below is [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q1339&lang=en an example of what Resonator can generate from Wikidata] without needing human edits the way Abstract Wikipedia does. (Though I omitted some children for the sake of brevity.) <blockquote> '''Johann Sebastian Bach''' was a [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=696651 Saxe-Eisenach]-[https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=12548 Holy Roman Empire]-[https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=183 German] [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=36834 composer], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=765778 organist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=5371902 harpsichordist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=1259917 violinist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=899758 violist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=158852 conductor], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=1076502 choir director], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=691031 concertmaster], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=14915627 musicologist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=16145150 music educator], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=214970 virtuoso], and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=2251335 school teacher]. He was born on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1685-03-21 March 21, 1685] in [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=7070 Eisenach] to [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=309470 Johann Ambrosius Bach] and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=66671 Maria Elisabeth Lämmerhirt]. He studied at [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=1930161 St. Michael's School] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1702-04 April 1702]. His field of work included [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=8361 Baroque music] and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=9730 classical music]. He was [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=215793 chapelmaster] from [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1717-12 December 1717] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1723-04 April 1723] and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=641457 Thomaskantor] from [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1723 1723] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1750 1750]. He worked for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=117540 Collegium Musicum], for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=1230608 Saint Blaise], for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=61689 Leopold, Prince of Anhalt-Köthen], for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=61972 Johann Ernst III, Duke of Saxe-Weimar] from [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1703-01 January 1703] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1703-08 August 1703], for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=699668 Thomasschule zu Leipzig], and for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=798194 Bachkirche Arnstadt] from [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1703-08 August 1703] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1707 1707]. He married [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=57487 Maria Barbara Bach] on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1707-10-17 October 17, 1707] (married until on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1720-07-07 July 7, 1720] ) and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=57212 Anna Magdalena Bach] on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1721-12-03 December 3, 1721] (married until on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1750-07-28 July 28, 1750] ). His children include [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=15079141 Catharina Dorothea Bach], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=107277 Wilhelm Friedemann Bach], […] He died of [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=12202 stroke] on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1750-07-28 July 28, 1750] in [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=2079 Leipzig]. He was buried at [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=170402 St. Thomas Church]. </blockquote> [[User:Lovelano|Lovelano]] ([[User talk:Lovelano|talk]]) 18:41, 1 May 2026 (UTC) == Project scope == Might be a stupid question but what articles are/will be allowed on Abstract Wikipedia? How far is it meant to expand? The language Wikipedias have some differing policies, so might not be as simple as copying those. Personally I find the idea of creating an article for any and every Wikidata item really cool and a good ''baseline'' for what can have an article, but wouldn't ~120 million abstract articles become unwieldy? If the only requirement is that the article topic has a Wikidata item, then there are many interesting possibilities; one could write about individual dates, Wikidata test items, even Wikimedia disambiguation pages. Have not found where this is explained, if anywhere. This may be up to common sense, but trouble is, couldn't one create an encyclopedically meaningful article on just about anything? Pretty important policy not to have if it's undecided, though is not a problem at the moment. Just wondering. [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 23:36, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :This isn't a stupid question and I don't think this is entirely settled. Have you seen [[Abstract Wikipedia:About]]? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 23:57, 1 May 2026 (UTC) ::Ah, I forgot about that page. So it is meant to abstract information from existing Wikipedia articles? Makes sense, though it still raises the question of creating new articles. [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 00:41, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::At this juncture, I don't think anyone has in mind drafting anything new here as such: this is just responding to existing Wikidata items and the possibility of new Wikipedia articles drafted from them, using Wikifunctions. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 00:51, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :I don't think we ever get any article an existing wiki does not have. Even if abstract content creation gets as fast as reasonably possible, it will never beat out typing text, so we will never catch up with, say, enwiki or eswiki. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:10, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::It's also a question of policy. There are topics about which things could be said, but which wouldn't meet the baseline notability or other criteria of the big monolingual wikis. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:22, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::This is true, if we keep [[d:]]'s notability policy (which seems like the most natural one) then there are many subjects that we theoretically can talk about that don't meet the [[w:WP:GNG|GNG]] and similar guidelines. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:25, 2 May 2026 (UTC) == How many articles in how many languages are actually fully available without errors == This is a response to the call in [[:f:Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-02]]. The most important thing to count is already listed there: '''How many articles in how many languages are actually fully available without errors?''' It should be not just a count, but a list: I want to see which articles are readable in which languages; which articles are readable in some languages, but not others (which ones?); which articles are not readable in any language; etc. An even more relevant, but much harder to measure thing is how many of those articles are actually more useful than not having an article at all. There is no article about Boston in many languages, but [[Q100]], which currently says "Boston is the capital of Massachusetts.Boston is the largest city of Massachusetts." is not significantly more useful than nothing at all even if it's fully rendered in another language in which there is no concrete article about it. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 12:12, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :Perhaps this should have been on the talk page of that status update instead of the project chat? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:25, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::The status update is about two projects and so I can understand if there are comments here. What do you think about creating a status update overview page with links to the status updates in Abstract Wikipedia to offer the possibility to discuss the status updates and especially things related to Abstract Wikipedia there. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 18:57, 4 May 2026 (UTC) :::I don't think that's necessary. You can just include your abstractwiki (as in, the live wiki, not the project) related comments on the page on [[f:]], or, if for some reason that's not possible, as a reply to the newsletter announcement here. The point is, the project chat is crowded enough with topics as it is, ideally it should be more focussed on general matters of discussion than close-ended enquiries about topics that have their own talk page. I find Amire80's use of a new == heading here to be improper. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:32, 4 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #246 is out: Request for input: what should we count for Abstract Wikipedia == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-02|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we ask you what would be the relevant metrics for Abstract Wikipedia, we discuss our latest news on Composition Language v2, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 12:21, 2 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30325620 --> == Spaces between sentences, another attempt == [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat#Extra spaces between sentences|A month ago]], @[[User:内存溢出的猫|内存溢出的猫]]<ref group="spaces3>According to Google Translate, it's pronounced "Nèicún yìchū de māo". Please correct me if it's wrong. When I write, I want to know how are things that I write pronounced aloud, and very unfortunately, I never learned to read Chinese characters, and even if I did, most English speakers probably didn't. Come to think of it, is there a function that ''reliably'' transliterates Chinese characters?</ref> That discussion doesn't seem to have yielded any fixes or meaningful discussions, at least not that I can see. [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat#Spaces between sentences|Two weeks ago]], I tried to bring up a similar topic, but that discussion somehow got derailed and also didn't yield anything useful. Now, the problem looks differently, but it's still a problem. When I look at [[Q10251]], for example, what I see is four sentences that ''appear'' with ''no'' spaces between them. Not one, not two—none at all. It looks like this: :Plasma is a fundamental state of matter.Plasma is a classical state of matter.A plasma is a gas.A plasma is a matter. Note that I emphasized ''appear'': When I see them rendered on the screen, they have no spaces between them. In the HTML, however, they are represented as four <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>s, and their inline positioning is handled by CSS. This means, for example, that if I copy and paste them, I don't get a long string with no spaces after full stops, but four sentences with a single line break after each full stop: <poem> Plasma is a fundamental state of matter. Plasma is a classical state of matter. A plasma is a gas. A plasma is a matter. </poem> This is not how it is supposed to be done. <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>s are supposed to be used for block elements and not hacked into appearing as if they are inline (also known as phrasing). Spaces between sentences are supposed to be real characters rather than HTML and CSS tricks, they may be different in different languages, and in some languages they may be nothing at all. I hope that the definition of the problem is clear. <references group="spaces3"></references> [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 12:49, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :Hi, have a look at it [[Special:PermanentLink/7132|now]]. Does this match your expectations? I think it's not rendering right now for whatever reason, but there are other examples of it being done this way that you can see: [[Q241691]]. The article renders properly in both English (spaces between sentences) and Japanese (no spaces at all). : :'''English:''' :<blockquote>Programmed Data Processor is a computer model series by Digital Equipment Corporation. PDP-8 is a Programmed Data Processor.</blockquote> :'''Japanese:''' :<blockquote>PDPシリーズはディジタル・イクイップメント・コーポレーションによるコンピュータ・モデル・シリーズである。PDP-8はPDPシリーズである。</blockquote> : :I have some, err, strong opinions about [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]]'s 「Abstract Wikipedia Editor」 tool, which is the predominant cause for all of these very janky and poorly-laid-out articles that you see. This is not how an article ought to be written on Abstract Wikipedia, and I and other editors are aware of this. If you see these problems, please do fix them! The wiki will be all the better for it. : :In the absence of consensus on such things as these (and awaiting any official policy pages) I have written [[f:User:Theki/best practices]] on my Wikifunctions userpage. You are welcome to read it if you wish. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:20, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::The output of [[Q241691]] looks OK to me in this regard. How was it done? ::[[Q10251]] gives me an error. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:10, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::WikiLambda is doing WikiLambda things. This WASI time limit error happens intermittently on Abstract Wikipedia articles and it usually goes away after a short while. The only thing is that it doesn't really seem like purging these articles does anything to force the orchestrator to retry its evaluation so the article might not render that paragraph until someone comes in and pokes at it by editing it somehow. ::: :::The working article uses the [[f:Z33068|''paragraph from sentences'']] function to lay out its individual sentence content. This function automatically handles converting any and all text-like objects (strings, HTML fragments, and monolingual text) to a consistent form, so sentence fragments can all be supplied verbatim to its list input. When the function is putting the sentences together it defaults to using a single space to separate them, but first checks if the requested language is in the [[f:Z33984|''languages without spaces between sentences'']] list. If it is, it doesn't add spaces at all, and just concatenates the sentences normally. I hope this explanation makes sense. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 18:19, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::::It makes some sense, but earlier, you suggested: "If you see these problems, please do fix them", and I'm not entirely sure how to do it. How would I fix it in [[Q100]], for example? [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 19:41, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::::In this case you would do the following: :::::# At the bottom, click the plus and then 「Add empty fragment」. :::::# Set the function to [[f:Z33068]], as mentioned earlier. :::::# Now go through each sentence fragment, find the innermost sentence-generation function, click on the three dots, and copy it. Do not copy the calls to [[f:Z29749]] or similar, these are not necessary. :::::# Go to the ''paragraph with sentences'' function call and add an element to the list. :::::# Click on the three dots next to the new element, and paste in the earlier sentence fragment. :::::# You can now delete the original fragment and repeat the process in the same list for the one after it. :::::&mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 19:46, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Theki|Theki]] I intend on fixing it, I recently made an attempt but the suggested fixes made problems worse. Do you have any practical suggestions of how to structure the templates? I will try to implement them when I have more time. ::Also your name is very confusing, are you in the process of getting it changed wiki-wide? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:36, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::Um, are you referring to my signature not matching my wiki username? I have considered for a long time changing it from ''theki'', but I don't feel like putting in the effort when it seems to be perfectly ignorable for most people. The user 「''Rae''」 can't be usurped because they made, like, two or three articles on the Persian Wikipedia two decades ago or something, I don't know. If that weren't the case I would be User:Rae right now but after that failed to go through I just decided to stop bothering. Maybe at some point I'll come up with a username I'm happy with keeping for the foreseeable future but I have other concerns at the moment. :::Could you explain how your attempted fixes 「made problems worse」? Presently I side with Feeglgeef's sentiments and prefer to wait for abstract content to actually be feasible to make on a reasonably descriptive scale (see: the type proposals) before I go around making articles willy-nilly, which is what AWE has been doing—making a bunch of pretty low-quality articles on a massive scale when it probably ''really'' would have been better to, err, hold off on that. :::And I honestly know very little about the actual workings of your editor, I don't really use it nor am I familiar with its template syntax or whatever it may use, so I'm going to look over how it actually works and then get back to you on that. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 23:28, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Using this [[f:Z33068]] made things worse [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 00:44, 3 May 2026 (UTC) :::::That did not go through correctly but I do not think we have a proper thing for it. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 00:45, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::What? Could you elaborate? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 01:00, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::{{ping|Immanuelle}} I checked. Your issue is that your editor is not providing the article language to Z33068K2; that is, the ''paragraph from sentences'' function has a second argument, and your editor was omitting it. If you properly specify it, it will work. Please, next time, actually tell me what went wrong instead of going quiet and forcing me to look after it myself. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:06, 4 May 2026 (UTC) :I avoid [[f:Z33068]] for now, because executing a whole paragraph in a single call would often time out. So my current alternative is inserting [[f:Z35672]] between sentences. Fairly clunky, but it works... --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 06:08, 28 May 2026 (UTC) ::Can you categorize the talk pages of articles you're doing that with? It has major accessibility concerns for our friends using screen readers, so it'd be nice to be able to find those with issues when were able to fix the calls [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:50, 28 May 2026 (UTC) :::I think the new tool can show us this (via dumps). For example, here are the uses of 'paragraph': https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/zid/Z32123 --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 23:07, 28 May 2026 (UTC) ::::There's more than one way to not use spaces correctly and more than one way to use spaces correctly, this wouldn't catch all of them. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:13, 28 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I'm not totally sure what you want to track, but I'm confident that this will find all my uses. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 02:10, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::::I think it slipped past everyone's notice, but I made a template for linking to that sort of information @ [[Template:Zd|<nowiki>{{</nowiki>zd<nowiki>}}</nowiki>]]. {{zd|Z35672|sentence separator}} <span style="font-size:smaller;opacity:0.8">(I don't think the database dumps have noticed the function you're using yet, so it's a 404 at the moment.)</span> &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 01:09, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Most used fragments == [[:f:Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-02|The latest status update]] lists the most used fragments: "[[:f:Z32123]] with 1452, followed by [[:f:Z27868]] with 736 and [[:f:Z29749]] with 650)". How was this calculated? [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 13:44, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :Again, this should definitely have been on the talk page for that status update. This isn't the everything page, it should be used for discussion relating to the wiki. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:26, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::It's not a question just about the status update, even if it was prompted by it. It's a question about Abstract Wikipedia that can be relevant beyond the status update. ::Stop policing how people use discussion pages without a particularly good reason. If you don't have an answer to the actual question, don't write anything. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 19:38, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::I have to agree with Feeglgeef that this would be better raised on the status update's talk page itself. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 19:42, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::I'm "policing" which discussion pages are being used for the same reason different discussion spaces exist in the first place. And your distinction between "just about" and "prompted by" is irrelevant. If I want to ask someone how they did something, I would ask them first, not go to a general discussion board. This is still the project ''chat'', not a Q&A zone. {{ping|DVrandecic (WMF)|p=,}} can you please answer the question? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:22, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :I have a local script that I have run on a local copy. Nothing more complicated than that. Could also be very wrong -- the script hasn't been peer-reviewed or anything. --[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]] ([[User talk:DVrandecic (WMF)|talk]]) 08:54, 4 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thanks, @[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]]. Can you share the code, please? I'll be happy to review it. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 15:30, 4 May 2026 (UTC) ==Wiktionary integration== I was trying out a few functions recently, such as [https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z27243 the new superlative function], and I noticed that ''every adjective'' has to be a Wikidata item. For example, I couldn't type in the inputs "Bugatti Veyron", "fast", "Earth" because "fast" as an adjective is not a Wikidata item. This doesn't really make sense, given that Wiktionary already has the word for "fast" and its superlative form in many different languages. Would it be possible to integrate Wiktionary into the function, so the user can type an adjective or verb from Wiktionary instead of having to deal with Wikidata (which consists almost entirely of nouns)? [[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] ([[User talk:Somepinkdude|talk]]) 16:49, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :No, sadly. I would try "speed" as the adjective, though, you have to use abstract qualities instead of concrete English terms. [[File:Wikifunctions Superlative speed example.png|thumb|Here's an example of the word being used.]] [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:02, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :Wikidata has standard items as well as lexeme data, so if anything, we should try to integrate those. E.g. [[:d:Lexeme:L1029]]. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 19:48, 6 May 2026 (UTC) ::I tried this, and it gave "Bugatti Veyron is the speedest car on Earth", which is laughably bad. The problem is that Wikidata does not "know" what the superlative form is, while Wiktionary does. Speed is a fairly common descriptor, but what about less common adjectives which aren't on Wikidata? Will there need to be a bot to copy all of this information from Wiktionary? [[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] ([[User talk:Somepinkdude|talk]]) 22:14, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :::I'm not suggesting that the functionality works <em>now</em>, but that we need to integrate the funcationality. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 22:17, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :::Well, no, the superlative form is chosen by [[f:Z12203]]. I think there's a bug with the English implementation that calls that function wrong. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:19, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] I did find the item {{Q|Q19807466}} which was linked to a concept database's entry for "fast"; I have at least linked it to the English lexeme "fast" and will try to add more links at a better hour. [[User:Mahir256|Mahir256]] ([[User talk:Mahir256|talk]]) 04:18, 7 May 2026 (UTC) == Showcase == I was wondering if there's a curated list of decent articles to learn by example here on Abstract Wikipedia? [[User:Fgnievinski|Fgnievinski]] ([[User talk:Fgnievinski|talk]]) 02:02, 8 May 2026 (UTC) :Unfortunately not, and, honestly, I wouldn't recommend article creation at the moment, it's likely to need significant refactoring as the way we represent abstract content changes, but, I can point you to [[Q668]] as a reasonably good example at the moment. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:39, 8 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you. "308 languages" blew my mind – well done! [[User:Fgnievinski|Fgnievinski]] ([[User talk:Fgnievinski|talk]]) 02:54, 8 May 2026 (UTC) :::308 is the number of ''concrete'' Wikipedias in which a manually-written article about India is available. :::The abstract article renders for me in English as "India is a country in Asia. India is a republic. New Delhi is the capital of India. India is the most populous country in world." Switching to another language to get rendered as an abstract article is done by typing the language's name in the box above the rendered text. I tried French, German, and Dutch, and got errors in all of them. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 03:12, 8 May 2026 (UTC) ::::So it goes. The paragraph has quite a lot of distinct sentence generation functions, all of which of course have to be implemented in the target language. This will be rounded out once we're able to more effectively generalize linguistic content. I view these functions as sort of patchy temporary solutions to the sentence generation problem while we figure out something more robust, which I hope is soon to come. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 04:15, 8 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #247 is out: References from Wikidata now available == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-08|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we announce that is now possible to pass references in Wikidata statements, we introduce the [https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/ Abstract Data dashboard], we report you on the presentation about Abstract Wikipedia at WikiCon Australia, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Also, we remind you that if you have questions or ideas to discuss, the next '''Volunteers' Corner''' will be held on '''[https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1778520600 May 11, at 17:30 UTC]''' ([https://meet.google.com/xuy-njxh-rkw link to the meeting]). Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 11:16, 8 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30325620 --> == about the usage of Z33068 == The use of [[f:Z33068]] (en: paragraph from sentences) <s>always</s> most of the time results in the error "Reached time limit in orchestrator." So should it be used at all for now, temporarily? Or maybe there are already some tickets about this that I am not aware of? -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 18:23, 10 May 2026 (UTC) :It previously worked, so I'm hoping whatever the issue is will be fixed soon. The current state of the wiki makes [[m:Immediatism|immediatism]] an illogical philosophy to have at the moment, in my opinion. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:16, 10 May 2026 (UTC) ::This issue seems to no longer exist, you might need to clear the cache by making a dummy edit on affected articles. I implemented the function in Python (instead of composition), which has increased the speed by about 2000 ms. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 04:31, 11 May 2026 (UTC) :::Seems like working. Thank you. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 19:06, 11 May 2026 (UTC) == Manual of Style == I've created a [[Abstract Wikipedia:Manual of Style|draft for a Manual of Style]]. Please feel free to comment on or make bold edits to the page. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:29, 11 May 2026 (UTC) :Thank you! That’s great and I’ll look at it more soon. I’m still taking a bit of a wikibreak. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:32, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :Is there anything I've written [[f:User:Theki/best_practices#Abstract_Wikipedia|here]] that you think would make for a good technical section of the page? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 00:04, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::I've added some of them. Thank you for your list of best practices by the way, I generally agree with them (I can't endorse connecting WD items currently in hope of a better technical solution, but otherwise I do). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 00:58, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Proposals on the architecture of Abstract Content rendering == Starting from a discussion born on the Wikifunctions Telegram chat, I've explained two different proposals on how the NLG on Abstract Wikipedia should be organized in the page [[User:Dv103/Abstract articles architectures]]. Please come to contribute to the discussion, or to propose alternatives. [[User:Dv103|Dv103]] ([[User talk:Dv103|talk]]) 14:32, 11 May 2026 (UTC) == [[MediaWiki:Wikimedia-copyright-footer]] == The copyright message has a few issues, mainly that it does not address abstract content (which is not "text"), nor object labels (which are under CC0). Proposed text: "<nowiki> Text and abstract content are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License]; the labels of objects from [[f:|Wikifunctions]] are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ Creative Commons CC0 License]; additional terms may apply. See [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Terms_of_Use Terms of Use] for details. </nowiki>" Which, when rendered, looks like: Text and abstract content are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License]; the labels of objects from [[f:|Wikifunctions]] are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ Creative Commons CC0 License]; additional terms may apply. See [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Terms_of_Use Terms of Use] for details. The message is somewhat inspired by the current one and WF's. Thoughts? Thank you! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:30, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: As you probably imagine, this text is very tightly controlled by the Wikimedia Foundation's Legal department. I think the first port of call should be a discussion about why you might want to change things, rather than a rush to specific re-wordings, before approaching them for sign-off. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 14:28, 12 May 2026 (UTC) ::Well I briefly summarized my justification, my proposed text was just an idea for a starting point. Basically, the abstract content is not really "text", so the footer doesn't actually tell the reader what they're allowed to do with it, and I argue that the current wording implies that the labels are licensed under CC-BY-SA 4, when they aren't. I think a change is critical as otherwise we're not showing the reader a license, or, arguably, in the case of labels, showing users a license that ''does not apply'', which is a pretty bad thing. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:51, 12 May 2026 (UTC) == [[MediaWiki:AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions.json]] == I'd think we should add [[f:Z33068]] here. The function allows you to form a paragraph out of sentences and handles languages having different standards of whether to add a space between them, and adding it here would make finding it easier. I'm not sure what policy we want to have for the suggested functions, this idea might help formulate it. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:06, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :[[User:Jdforrester (WMF)]] tells me the page has been changed to [[Special:CommunityConfiguration/AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions]] on the telegram. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:25, 12 May 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: Yup, see the weekly update on [[f:Wikifunctions:Status_updates/2026-05-02|2026-05-02]]. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 16:35, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :I also believe Z33068 should be added to the list. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:25, 12 May 2026 (UTC) {{done}} see [[Special:Diff/7692]]. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 09:08, 20 May 2026 (UTC) == Abstract Wikipedia statistics site source code == https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/ is a very useful tool, but it doesn't seem to have anything pointing to the location of its source code. Is it closed-source or unfree? While I'm at it I feel I should suggest having language pages' paths formatted differently from how they are currently—at the moment it's <code>/languages/Toki%20Pona</code> when something like <code>/languages/tok</code> would be more suitable. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; : See [[:gitlab:toolforge-repos/abstract-data]]. Also pinging {{ping|DSantamaria-WMF|p=}} (thanks for the tool, by the way). [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 00:25, 13 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you. I think a link to that repository should be put in a footer somewhere on the website as I wouldn't have found that if not for you. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 02:30, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::{{ping|Theki}} For the record, I found that repo by searching for "abstract-data" on [[:toolhub:|Toolhub]]. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 03:34, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::Thanks for the feedback and the report, fixed both things, we have now the link to the repo in the side bar footer, and also the language codes are used in the URLs. Thanks! [[User:DSantamaria-WMF|DSantamaria-WMF]] ([[User talk:DSantamaria-WMF|talk]]) 11:46, 13 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Are you particularly attached to keeping country flag emojis next to the language names? Some consider it an [https://flagsarenotlanguages.com/blog anti-pattern]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 16:17, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I think the use of flags is not really harmful since this is not a ''language selector'', it is just a list of languages. Of course not every language has an associated flag, for example Latin, which does look a bit awkward, but it can't be helped. Maybe give languages without a flag a unique icon from Wikimedia Commons? e.g. <div style="display:inline-flex;align-items:center;border:1px solid #0002;border-radius:4px;gap:4px;padding:4px;">[[File:Toki pona.svg|16px]] Toki Pona</div> instead of <div style="display:inline-flex;align-items:center;border:1px solid #0002;border-radius:4px;gap:4px;padding:4px;"><span>🌐</span>Toki Pona</div>. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 16:37, 14 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::I thought I saw 🏛️ being used for Latin earlier. But of course, as far as the Unicode Consortium is concerned, [[Q65300415|🇬🇧]] doesn't mean '[[Q1680|English]]', no more than [[Q100587670|🏳️‍🌈]] means '[[Q1359130|Polari]]'; technically, it doesn't even mean '[[Q145|United Kingdom]]', just the letters 🇺 and 🇰 next to each other (which linguistically would indicate [[Q8798|Ukrainian]] in ISO 639, but these are 'regional indicator symbols'). [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 17:21, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::As seems (from this comment and also [[f:User_talk:DSantamaria-WMF#c-%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4-20260513063700-Country_flags_in_abstract-data|others' comments]]) that flags are a little bit controversial, I just removed them, IMHO it was just an aesthetic concept, I like the look and feel that flags bring to the language labels, but happy to remove them if make some people feel uncomfortable with the concept. [[User:DSantamaria-WMF|DSantamaria-WMF]] ([[User talk:DSantamaria-WMF|talk]]) 05:54, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Make it more user Friendly == Make it more user-friendly by adding drag-and-drop compenots and one click additions, and make it similar to a visual macro buidler. [[User:ChippyTechGH|ChippyTechGH]] ([[User talk:ChippyTechGH|talk]]) 01:00, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :Could you file something like this on [[phab:|phabricator]]? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:01, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Person infoboxes == Hi all, I've just created [[f:Z35167|infobox for person (Z35167)]]. All it can really do presently is display the name of the person in the chosen language and in the person's native language, but it's a good start. I started writing it as a composition but chose to switch to writing it in JavaScript instead, which ended up being less headache-inducing (managing a large list of strings to concatenate together is not fun, plus compositions bring lots of additional overhead). Unfortunately, this means that the actual ''useful'' parts of the infobox—the information about the person themself—is not really doable. I'd need to dereference the Wikidata property references to get their label in the requested language, but since they're references and I'm working with code, not compositions, I can't just call [[f:Z6822|fetch Wikidata property (Z6822)]] and be done with it. If there's a WikiLambda API to do this inside of the JS itself that would be great and would solve everything, but at the moment that alone is what's holding it back, or so it seems. I can get the actual ''values'' of statements just fine, though. If I am missing some amazing WikiLambda API function that will solve this problem for me by letting me dereference the PID, then please let me know because that would be great. If you want to look at an example of the infobox right meow, you can view [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/tok/Q317521 Q317521 in Toki Pona] and see how it states Musk's name in both Toki Pona ''and'' his native English name. COOL! My hope is that this can be made less barebones in the near future. Infoboxes are a great way to get quick information on a subject and can fill in the informational gaps in the presently sparse articles we have at the moment, all while staying in the user's requested language. Feedback is appreciated! &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 02:58, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :Thank you for this! I wonder if perhaps it would be better to create one "infobox" function and then have compositions call that, making wd retrival possible? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:38, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::Working on that at the moment, I think I've got it working but I'm hitting a ratelimit in the orchestrator so I don't know for sure. The main issue with it now is that the actual [[f:Z35175|infobox template (Z35175)]] wrapper was programmed in JS so as to not be a pain in the ass, so this means that it can only take in strings, HTML fragments, etc. so the retrieval of Wikidata stuff still needs to be done by the caller and is rather verbose (see [[f:Z35168|the main implementation]]). The niceties will come soon later once I know that it all works at a lower level, though. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 05:04, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::So the problem now seems to be that when [[f:Z29825|label of Wikidata property in language (Z29825)]] isn't being faulty, it's being incredibly slow. Considering retrieving Wikidata items from their references seems to take, like, four to five seconds, and we'll have tens of statements in these infoboxes, I don't see how the property names could be retrieved in a way that doesn't cause the orchestrator to time out or hit a ratelimit. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 06:01, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::I think I figured something out? I'm just going to try calling [[f:Z35036|fetch Wikidata property or parts (Z35036)]], it seems to be much faster for whatever reason. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 06:05, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::It works now, a little rough around the edges, also very slow, but I think I'm mostly happy with it. Of course it would be great if all you needed to provide to the template function to get a label-statement row was the property reference itself, but I'm too sleep-deprived to figure that out at the moment. I made five bespoke functions specifically for this infobox, more than I would like, but it's probably not ''that'' bad. I'm just hoping I didn't duplicate any functionality in trying to make the composition less verbose and repetitive. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 07:15, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #248 is out: A higher meaning == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-15|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we discuss functions creating language fragments, we present our latest news in Types, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 14:36, 15 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30536976 --> == Translations == Yes, this question is probably easily answerable through a Web search, but I thought I'd ask here anyways. I am unfortunately not bilingual... I know Toki Pona, but it's a constructed language. I'd love to be a polyglot of some sorts but that is a future thing. I've been trying to translate pages into tok, for funsies mostly. At any rate, I want to convert some of the un-translated pages, namely Feeglgeef's policy drafts, into ones that can be translated (and then translate them into Toki Pona of course). I think I have to be a translation administrator for this? Which is a process that I'd have to ''apply'' for, and I doubt I have the credentials to be accepted for such a role. Regardless, is there a way I can go about this without having to do it through someone else? I can probably easily find documentation on marking pages for translation but I don't know how much I'm actually capable of doing as just a regular user. Should I apply? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 14:15, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :Most of the process of preparing a page for translation can be done by any editor. See [[:mw:Help:Extension:Translate/Page translation example]]. :The step of marking a page or translation for the first time or after changes must be done by a translation administrator. :I recommend learning the <nowiki><translate> and <tvar></nowiki> syntax and using it on a few pages before applying for this permission. After you do it on a few pages, and you feel confident, and you want to do it more, you can ask for the permission. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 14:28, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::Just to confirm, did I mark up [[Special:Diff/8138|this page]] for translation properly? I thought to give the hatnote its own <code>&lt;translate&gt;</code> enclosure so as to exclude the indent and italicization from needing to be included in the translatable text. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:10, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::Mostly properly, but don't exclude <code><nowiki>''</nowiki></code> for italics from translation. It's generally a good idea to exclude complex markup from translation because it's hard for many people to type, and it usually stays the same in translation anyway. <code><nowiki>''</nowiki></code> for italics is different, however: it's very simple to type and familiar to most editors; italic letters are used differently in different languages, and in some languages they aren't used at all, so translators need the freedom to use them appropriately; this markup can also appear in the middle of a translation unit and not only in the ends. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 15:35, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Thank you for the guidance. Should the italics be included if they are used over the entire hatnote? I figure that placement of italics should be left up to the discretion of the translators, but the hatnote itself is meant to be entirely italicized, I would think irrespective of the language it's in. Is this the right idea or should they still be kept within the translation unit? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:45, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::::Yes, italics should be included in the translation unit if they are used over the entire hatnote. Some languages don't use italic writing at all, so it shouldn't be forced. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:36, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :I'd support a translation administrator request ;), for reasons below. I'm not sure why we need a seperate translation administrator right, or why we have to call it an "administrator" (deciding that a page could be translated is a much less important role than, say, page deletion, or blocking). We picked three of them (well, one of them went through the WMF, so we picked two), [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=pagetranslation&user=&page=&excludetempacct=1&wpdate=&tagfilter=&wpfilters%5B%5D=newusers&wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist they don't appear very active, though], only marking 9 times this month, zero (0) of which were for pages marked for the first time. Both community translation admins used their global history and rights to get the role and only stop by occasionally, so having one who ''actually'' edits here would be nice. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:06, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::This reply echos my philosophy of a sort of wiki-[[Q166005|xenophobia]] (the term xenophobia is probably too harsh, and I wouldn't consider myself one in real life, but it's the best word I can think of), I generally distrust users with a lot of global rights (both global sysop etc. and large amounts of local rights) who come make [[m:Metapedianism|metapedian]] contributions, not as people but to their ability to handle Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia as incredibly unique and technically complex projects. I apologize if it my opinions come off as rude or ungrateful, I do appreciate the work of our translation administrators. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:26, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::You don't bother me, it's fine. I think they definitely have a place, they can be useful and they usually are. Obviously local admins and what have you that earned their roles through the trust and reputation of the specific community they are in are going to occupy a more trusting position in my mind than a global sysop or global ''anything''. Specialized role members are good and healthy in the long term; I think we are giving these privileges to global users sparingly as the project is still in its infancy and as core contributors emerge and take up key positions we will have a more well-rounded and self-sustaining community with less global privileges needed to take up certain tasks. Wikifunctions probably needed some Foundation members or other staff to act as functioneers initially while the general community was still orienting themselves with WikiLambda and working on applying for the role, but now we have [[f:Special:ListUsers/functioneer|74(!) of them]] and the number of normal members using their specialized skills outnumbers those who were "grandfathered" in (for lack of a better term) or similar. The wiki is young—it just needs time. I myself have been considering applying for sysop privileges since they are obviously needed (there being exactly Zero of them at the moment); I've been weighing the pros and cons of such a commitment, it's obviously a lot to take up. I wish your sysop request went through, I think you would have made a great admin here. I'm unsure of what others think of my capabilities, I'm rather in-and-out around these social spaces so I don't know if there's much to go off of. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:55, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Totally agree, and I'd support a sysopship request as well, though I'm apparently not good at assessing what the community considers supportable in admin candidate ;). ::::Off-topic, but interestingly, the sysop toolset allows you to grant yourself translation adminship. I'm not sure if sysops are expected not to grant themselves the permissions (kind of like how on enwiki 'crats are expected not grant themselves any rights without discussion despite having the technical rights), but I did it to myself on WF because [https://www.wikifunctions.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=84940 another sysop had]. Additionally, the functioneer right [[Special:ListGroupRights#functioneer|exists on this wiki]], with the same rights on WF, despite all of them not doing anything on this wiki. I believe this is because, on the technical side, both AW and WF are powered by the same MediaWiki extension (Wikilambda), with one wiki set to a mode for abstract articles and another set to a mode for ZObjects. [https://dag.wikipedia.org/wiki/Di%C5%8B%27gahim:ListGroupRights#functioneer Checking the Dagbani Wikipedia] supports this theory. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:00, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::::It always depends on the local policy. For Wikifunctions it is: ''Administrators do not need to undergo another discussion to become translation administrators; they can self-grant the rights to their account if necessary. Temporary administrators are not allowed to self-grant permanent translation administrator rights.'' :::::The availability of the functioneer right is a bug, see [[phab:T407066]]. --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 19:36, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::If you don't consider yourself a xenophobe in real life, I would recommend not calling yourself that here, or anywhere really. Especially since it was the ideological capture during the 2010s of the Croatian-language Wikipedia [[w:hr:]] by actual xenophobes that was part of the impetus for Abstract Wikipedia according to [https://simia.net/wiki/Draft:_Collaborating_on_the_sum_of_all_knowledge_across_languages#A_look_on_some_south_Slavic_language_Wikipedias Denny's blog]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 22:10, 26 May 2026 (UTC) == Policy drafts == Hi all! I've written some draft policies and guidelines over the last few days. We're not a bureaucracy, so the point is not to set some rules but to kick off some discussions as to how our wiki will work. So far, I've created: * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability|a notability guideline]] * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy|a deletion policy]] I've written them as my opinion on what should happen, but I'm hoping to align them with community consensus as we discuss them more. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:44, 21 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #249 is out: Annual plan 2026-2027 == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-23|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we present you the current draft of objectives for Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia in the WMF Annual Plan 2026-2027, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 09:48, 25 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30536976 --> == To abstract Wikipedia or be the Abstract Wikipedia == There is a discussion happening about what the [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability|notability criteria]] for Abstract Wikipedia should be, and in trying to participate I've found my idea of Abstract Wikipedia is awfully abstract. Is Abstract Wikipedia supposed to abstract Wikipedia, as in abstracting information from existing articles on the language Wikipedias (barring new contributions), or is it supposed to become the Abstract Wikipedia, supporting collaboration across all languages like it's the language Wikipedia to end all language Wikipedias (allowing new contributions)? I thought the answer would be obvious, but the name Abstract Wikipedia is a bit ambiguous. Am I missing something? [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 02:16, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :I think ({{ping|DVrandecic (WMF)|p=?}}) the idea is (and I personally prefer) the latter. I believe that, given the fact that it's much easier to write a concrete article than an abstract article, and the fact that the community of potential future contributors on enwiki is skeptical ''at best'', we ultimately will never expand beyond the size of other wikis, but I see no problem with allowing volunteers to add information not on other wikis (it's probably not the most effective, but they're volunteers, beggars can't be choosers), as long as it's not vandalism, useless, or promotional slop. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:31, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] Abstract Wikipedia is a Wikipedia, where people can collaborate across languages on articles, which can then be used to fill gaps in the existing Wikipedias. Whereas I expect that current Wikipedia articles might be used as a convenient starting point for many of the articles in Abstract Wikipedia, this is more a consequence of Wikipedia being one of the best places to go to to find reliable knowledge, but that is not part of how it is supposed to work. So, this is not to abstract the existing Wikipedias, but to collaborate on an Abstract Wikipedia. At no point is this meant to replace existing Wikipedias. (Thanks to @[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] for the ping!) --[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]] ([[User talk:DVrandecic (WMF)|talk]]) 17:01, 27 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you, this makes a lot more sense now. [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 21:52, 27 May 2026 (UTC) == template suggestion == Some way to mock abstract syntax on talk and project pages, analogous to those in [[d:category:format Template]]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 15:21, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :Hmm. I agree. :Workshopping ideas for how it works: :* Invokation: <nowiki>{{Call|Z26039|{"Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1"}|{"Z1K1": "Z6091", "Z6091K1": "Q634"}|{"Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1"}|lang=en}}</nowiki> :** This could then be suplemented by helper templates: <nowiki>{{Call|Z26039|{{Wikidata item argument reference}}|{{Wikidata item reference|Q634}}|{{Language argument reference}}}}</nowiki> :* This would result in "[[f:Z26039|subject is instance of (string)]] (wikidata item reference, [[d:Q634|planet]], language)" :** Icons are missing in this example, I'm not sure if we can actually add them :Thoughts? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:04, 27 May 2026 (UTC) == Marking NLG Default text == Some NLG functions give default texts, like [[f:Z33420|Z33420]] will give text like "Paris ∈ {city}". sometimes in other languages the English text is show. Currently there is no visual clue that these texts are not normal text in the requested language. I propose we mark these text with color <span style="color:magenta;">Paris ∈ {city}</span> with something like <nowiki><span style="color:magenta;">Paris ∈ {city}</span></nowiki>. To have this configurable/maintainable this could be included in a function, called NLG default text or so, with a text as input an a text in color as output. The exact formatting like magenta color or gray background or something else can be discussed/decided later. To have it even more configurable on personal stylesheets it could use a class like <nowiki><span class="NLG Default text">Paris ∈ {city}</span></nowiki>. What do you think? Could somebody make such a function already? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 12:00, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :The are technically just monolingual texts in a language called "multiple languages". I threw a prototype together really quickly, [[f:Z35839]]. It will accept strings, monolingual texts, and html fragments as input, so you have to select which type you want. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:59, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::OK, thanks, I added it to [[f:Z26039]] and works as expected, see [https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Z26039?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z26039%22%2C%22Z26039K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q64%22%7D%2C%22Z26039K2%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q515%22%7D%2C%22Z26039K3%22%3A%22Z1555%22%7D here]. The test for the function with default text now fails because it now is in magenta color. That was to be expected. I will leave the tests unchanged if that is OK with you, as we might need to change the exact formatting. ::Is it OK to add this to other NLG functions that produce default output? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 15:59, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :::Sure, [[w:en:WP:Be bold|be bold]]! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:50, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Feeglgeef, I am struggling with the output. Can you have a look? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 17:02, 30 May 2026 (UTC) == Ratification of the deletion policy proposal? == I haven't seen any unresolved objections to my proposal for a [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy|policy for deletion]]. Does anybody have any issues, and, if not, is it ok to ratify as an actual policy? I intend to remove the draft template and replace it with a policy template unless anyone voices any objection within a week. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:55, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :Is it just me or does [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Reasons for deletion]] render blank with only number bullets without the actual text after ''1.'' or ''2.''? [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 07:13, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::I see text. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 07:49, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::I can see on my phone, but it goes blank on my laptop. What is the role of ''<nowiki><span class="anchor" id="1"></nowiki>''? [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 12:15, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::::{{ping|Bunnypranav}} I can see the text everywhere (I tested connected and not connected, on my phone, laptop, with Chrome or Firefox ; what system do you use?). As the name suggest, the span anchor is here to create an HTML anchor, so you can do link like [[Abstract_Wikipedia:Deletion_policy#7]]. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 13:49, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I'm on Brave browser. Nevertheless, forget it. The culprit might be some random customization I did to my system which I cannot recollect. The reason is the span tag only though, tried a preview kicking out a text to just outside the tag and it worked. [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 14:23, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :Globally, it looks fine. I think that reasons 7 and 8 may need some examples/clarifications. There is no global consensus when it comes to creating categories. For example, categories for building interiors and exteriors. Personally, I feel that they are useful for easier discoverability. [[User:Jsamwrites|John Samuel]] ([[User:Jsamwrites|talk]]) 15:39, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::I've copied them over from enwiki. They're probably included in "content otherwise not suited for an encyclopedia." Since sysops can't speedy them, it'd be up to commenters on [[Abstract:RFD]] to determine. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:48, 30 May 2026 (UTC) k66i1ur4n5iuzz91je7rh5kej0tawzs 9226 9225 2026-05-30T17:08:09Z Feeglgeef 36 /* Marking NLG Default text */ Reply 9226 wikitext text/x-wiki {{#ifexist:Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat/Header/{{USERLANGUAGE}}|{{/Header/{{USERLANGUAGE}}}}|{{/Header}}}} {{/Archives}} <!-- Add your discussion below this line --> == Why don't we just structure this with wikitemplates? == I feel like the project could be done a lot better by using templates kind of like how wikipedia does them. Just the entire thing is templates that can be rendered in many languages. So like [[Q106289265]] would have the content <nowiki>{{Z26039|Q7257}}</nowiki> and could even have some aliasing done across languages so it could be <nowiki>{{subject is|Q7257}}</nowiki>. Code would be editable with a regular visual editor or code editor. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:34, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :This is available in pages when Parsoid rendering is enabled. We don't use this becuase it doesn't make sense for constructing and editing massive articles. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC) ::How do you do parsoid rendering? And why wouldn't it make sense? With aliases and everything could work great. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:12, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :::I believe it is enabled by default. If you do have it on: {{#function:Z10000|you'll s|ee this}} [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:54, 30 March 2026 (UTC) :you may be interested in reading this old [[m:Abstract_Wikipedia/Google.org_Fellows_evaluation|Google report]]. [[User:BrokenSegue|BrokenSegue]] ([[User talk:BrokenSegue|talk]]) 14:32, 9 May 2026 (UTC) == Why the editing API doesn't work == {{tracked|T423542}} Immanuelle wrongly stated that there is no REST API for editing. [[#REST API for editing?|There is]]. However, it does not work when called from software outside Abstract Wikipedia. That is because there is no way to grant a bot password or OAuth customer the permission to edit abstract articles (<code>wikilambda-abstract-edit</code>) and create them (<code>wikilambda-abstract-create</code>), since no grant on [[Special:ListGrants]] includes either. Should this be fixed? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 01:57, 26 April 2026 (UTC) :Yes I think the rights should be added. I think the number of automated edits should be low at the moment as Abstract Wikipedia is still in an early phase and so far there is not much support for small languages and so many functions will maybe change to cover more languages. As automatic editing using a Bot Account requires an formal request it is no problem if the option exists. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 18:17, 26 April 2026 (UTC) :Sounds good to me. Could we add a bot section to [[Abstract Wikipedia:Requests for permissions]]? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:35, 5 May 2026 (UTC) ::[[Abstract_Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions#Bot]] ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 23:56, 5 May 2026 (UTC) == Q884 == The page [[Q884]] has inaccurate statements about the head of government and the head of state of South Korea. Part of what it returns in English is "Lee Ju-ho is the head of government of South Korea.Park Geun-hye is the head of state of South Korea." However, neither Lee Ju-ho nor Park Geun-hye currently have their respective roles mentioned here. How should these statements be turned into ones using the past tense? [[User:Intolerable situation|Intolerable situation]] ([[User talk:Intolerable situation|talk]]) 14:44, 30 April 2026 (UTC) :not currently possible :((((( [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:46, 30 April 2026 (UTC) :Feeglgeef is correct, past tense sentence generation is something we are sorely lacking at the moment. If you look at [[f:WF:Type proposals#Representing abstract content|Wikifunctions' type proposals]] you can see some initiatives that could hopefully mitigate this. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 13:49, 1 May 2026 (UTC) == Abstract Wikipedia should use a different mw-wiki-logo than Wikipedia for Vector 2010 skin == {{Tracked|T424781}} Hello friends. I've been asked to start a community conversation about this. I'd like to propose that Abstract Wikipedia create its own logo, so that folks visiting this wiki don't get it mixed up with Wikipedia. Even though this project is under the Wikipedia domain, I think it's pretty unique and it'd make sense to make sure it doesn't get mixed up with enwiki or other Wikipedias by newbies googling for Wikipedia articles. Thoughts? Thanks. [[User:Novem Linguae|Novem Linguae]] ([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]]) 12:02, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :Isn't there already one? Are we talking about a logo in a different context? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 12:25, 1 May 2026 (UTC) ::Looks like this is just for the Vector 2010 skin. [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia:Main_page?useskin=vector Example.] I'll edit this section and the ticket to clarify that. [[User:Novem Linguae|Novem Linguae]] ([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]]) 12:28, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :::Ah, thank you, I'd {{s}} this then. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 12:31, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :This has been raised before above in [[#Logo]], the same problem appears on Monobook. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 13:45, 1 May 2026 (UTC) ::Would you support using [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/static/images/mobile/copyright/abstractwiki-wordmark.svg the Vector 2022 logo] on Vector 2010 and Monobook? That'd be a simple technical solution. [[User:Novem Linguae|Novem Linguae]] ([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]]) 14:02, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :::Yes, I see no issue with using that for the moment. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 14:04, 1 May 2026 (UTC) == What would it take for AW to catch up to (English) Reasonator? Porting over functions? == The Wikidata tool [https://reasonator.toolforge.org Reasonator] already automatically creates several sentences in English describing human Wikidata items using [https://codeberg.org/magnusmanske/reasonator/commit/b506362c3c2e90b32de32708ec668eee49603cb0 auto_long_desc.js] under [https://codeberg.org/magnusmanske/reasonator/src/commit/a6ee9095c3accfb67845caf438ce83c98c19e38e/LICENSE a GPL 2.0 free software license] without using any large language model or other AI. Abstract Wikipedia, on the other hand, requires [[Help:How to create an article/en|a several step process just to create a lead sentence]]. Does Resonator have functions in [https://codeberg.org/magnusmanske/reasonator/src/commit/a6ee9095c3accfb67845caf438ce83c98c19e38e/public_html/auto_long_desc.js#L406 the English section of auto_long_desc.js] that Wikifunctions doesn't have at the moment? Is that what's preventing Abstract Wikipedia from auto-generating substantial text (at least in English) based off of Wikidata like Resonator does? Below is [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q1339&lang=en an example of what Resonator can generate from Wikidata] without needing human edits the way Abstract Wikipedia does. (Though I omitted some children for the sake of brevity.) <blockquote> '''Johann Sebastian Bach''' was a [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=696651 Saxe-Eisenach]-[https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=12548 Holy Roman Empire]-[https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=183 German] [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=36834 composer], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=765778 organist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=5371902 harpsichordist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=1259917 violinist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=899758 violist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=158852 conductor], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=1076502 choir director], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=691031 concertmaster], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=14915627 musicologist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=16145150 music educator], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=214970 virtuoso], and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=2251335 school teacher]. He was born on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1685-03-21 March 21, 1685] in [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=7070 Eisenach] to [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=309470 Johann Ambrosius Bach] and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=66671 Maria Elisabeth Lämmerhirt]. He studied at [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=1930161 St. Michael's School] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1702-04 April 1702]. His field of work included [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=8361 Baroque music] and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=9730 classical music]. He was [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=215793 chapelmaster] from [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1717-12 December 1717] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1723-04 April 1723] and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=641457 Thomaskantor] from [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1723 1723] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1750 1750]. He worked for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=117540 Collegium Musicum], for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=1230608 Saint Blaise], for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=61689 Leopold, Prince of Anhalt-Köthen], for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=61972 Johann Ernst III, Duke of Saxe-Weimar] from [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1703-01 January 1703] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1703-08 August 1703], for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=699668 Thomasschule zu Leipzig], and for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=798194 Bachkirche Arnstadt] from [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1703-08 August 1703] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1707 1707]. He married [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=57487 Maria Barbara Bach] on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1707-10-17 October 17, 1707] (married until on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1720-07-07 July 7, 1720] ) and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=57212 Anna Magdalena Bach] on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1721-12-03 December 3, 1721] (married until on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1750-07-28 July 28, 1750] ). His children include [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=15079141 Catharina Dorothea Bach], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=107277 Wilhelm Friedemann Bach], […] He died of [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=12202 stroke] on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1750-07-28 July 28, 1750] in [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=2079 Leipzig]. He was buried at [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=170402 St. Thomas Church]. </blockquote> [[User:Lovelano|Lovelano]] ([[User talk:Lovelano|talk]]) 18:41, 1 May 2026 (UTC) == Project scope == Might be a stupid question but what articles are/will be allowed on Abstract Wikipedia? How far is it meant to expand? The language Wikipedias have some differing policies, so might not be as simple as copying those. Personally I find the idea of creating an article for any and every Wikidata item really cool and a good ''baseline'' for what can have an article, but wouldn't ~120 million abstract articles become unwieldy? If the only requirement is that the article topic has a Wikidata item, then there are many interesting possibilities; one could write about individual dates, Wikidata test items, even Wikimedia disambiguation pages. Have not found where this is explained, if anywhere. This may be up to common sense, but trouble is, couldn't one create an encyclopedically meaningful article on just about anything? Pretty important policy not to have if it's undecided, though is not a problem at the moment. Just wondering. [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 23:36, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :This isn't a stupid question and I don't think this is entirely settled. Have you seen [[Abstract Wikipedia:About]]? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 23:57, 1 May 2026 (UTC) ::Ah, I forgot about that page. So it is meant to abstract information from existing Wikipedia articles? Makes sense, though it still raises the question of creating new articles. [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 00:41, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::At this juncture, I don't think anyone has in mind drafting anything new here as such: this is just responding to existing Wikidata items and the possibility of new Wikipedia articles drafted from them, using Wikifunctions. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 00:51, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :I don't think we ever get any article an existing wiki does not have. Even if abstract content creation gets as fast as reasonably possible, it will never beat out typing text, so we will never catch up with, say, enwiki or eswiki. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:10, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::It's also a question of policy. There are topics about which things could be said, but which wouldn't meet the baseline notability or other criteria of the big monolingual wikis. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:22, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::This is true, if we keep [[d:]]'s notability policy (which seems like the most natural one) then there are many subjects that we theoretically can talk about that don't meet the [[w:WP:GNG|GNG]] and similar guidelines. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:25, 2 May 2026 (UTC) == How many articles in how many languages are actually fully available without errors == This is a response to the call in [[:f:Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-02]]. The most important thing to count is already listed there: '''How many articles in how many languages are actually fully available without errors?''' It should be not just a count, but a list: I want to see which articles are readable in which languages; which articles are readable in some languages, but not others (which ones?); which articles are not readable in any language; etc. An even more relevant, but much harder to measure thing is how many of those articles are actually more useful than not having an article at all. There is no article about Boston in many languages, but [[Q100]], which currently says "Boston is the capital of Massachusetts.Boston is the largest city of Massachusetts." is not significantly more useful than nothing at all even if it's fully rendered in another language in which there is no concrete article about it. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 12:12, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :Perhaps this should have been on the talk page of that status update instead of the project chat? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:25, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::The status update is about two projects and so I can understand if there are comments here. What do you think about creating a status update overview page with links to the status updates in Abstract Wikipedia to offer the possibility to discuss the status updates and especially things related to Abstract Wikipedia there. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 18:57, 4 May 2026 (UTC) :::I don't think that's necessary. You can just include your abstractwiki (as in, the live wiki, not the project) related comments on the page on [[f:]], or, if for some reason that's not possible, as a reply to the newsletter announcement here. The point is, the project chat is crowded enough with topics as it is, ideally it should be more focussed on general matters of discussion than close-ended enquiries about topics that have their own talk page. I find Amire80's use of a new == heading here to be improper. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:32, 4 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #246 is out: Request for input: what should we count for Abstract Wikipedia == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-02|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we ask you what would be the relevant metrics for Abstract Wikipedia, we discuss our latest news on Composition Language v2, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 12:21, 2 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30325620 --> == Spaces between sentences, another attempt == [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat#Extra spaces between sentences|A month ago]], @[[User:内存溢出的猫|内存溢出的猫]]<ref group="spaces3>According to Google Translate, it's pronounced "Nèicún yìchū de māo". Please correct me if it's wrong. When I write, I want to know how are things that I write pronounced aloud, and very unfortunately, I never learned to read Chinese characters, and even if I did, most English speakers probably didn't. Come to think of it, is there a function that ''reliably'' transliterates Chinese characters?</ref> That discussion doesn't seem to have yielded any fixes or meaningful discussions, at least not that I can see. [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat#Spaces between sentences|Two weeks ago]], I tried to bring up a similar topic, but that discussion somehow got derailed and also didn't yield anything useful. Now, the problem looks differently, but it's still a problem. When I look at [[Q10251]], for example, what I see is four sentences that ''appear'' with ''no'' spaces between them. Not one, not two—none at all. It looks like this: :Plasma is a fundamental state of matter.Plasma is a classical state of matter.A plasma is a gas.A plasma is a matter. Note that I emphasized ''appear'': When I see them rendered on the screen, they have no spaces between them. In the HTML, however, they are represented as four <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>s, and their inline positioning is handled by CSS. This means, for example, that if I copy and paste them, I don't get a long string with no spaces after full stops, but four sentences with a single line break after each full stop: <poem> Plasma is a fundamental state of matter. Plasma is a classical state of matter. A plasma is a gas. A plasma is a matter. </poem> This is not how it is supposed to be done. <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>s are supposed to be used for block elements and not hacked into appearing as if they are inline (also known as phrasing). Spaces between sentences are supposed to be real characters rather than HTML and CSS tricks, they may be different in different languages, and in some languages they may be nothing at all. I hope that the definition of the problem is clear. <references group="spaces3"></references> [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 12:49, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :Hi, have a look at it [[Special:PermanentLink/7132|now]]. Does this match your expectations? I think it's not rendering right now for whatever reason, but there are other examples of it being done this way that you can see: [[Q241691]]. The article renders properly in both English (spaces between sentences) and Japanese (no spaces at all). : :'''English:''' :<blockquote>Programmed Data Processor is a computer model series by Digital Equipment Corporation. PDP-8 is a Programmed Data Processor.</blockquote> :'''Japanese:''' :<blockquote>PDPシリーズはディジタル・イクイップメント・コーポレーションによるコンピュータ・モデル・シリーズである。PDP-8はPDPシリーズである。</blockquote> : :I have some, err, strong opinions about [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]]'s 「Abstract Wikipedia Editor」 tool, which is the predominant cause for all of these very janky and poorly-laid-out articles that you see. This is not how an article ought to be written on Abstract Wikipedia, and I and other editors are aware of this. If you see these problems, please do fix them! The wiki will be all the better for it. : :In the absence of consensus on such things as these (and awaiting any official policy pages) I have written [[f:User:Theki/best practices]] on my Wikifunctions userpage. You are welcome to read it if you wish. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:20, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::The output of [[Q241691]] looks OK to me in this regard. How was it done? ::[[Q10251]] gives me an error. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:10, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::WikiLambda is doing WikiLambda things. This WASI time limit error happens intermittently on Abstract Wikipedia articles and it usually goes away after a short while. The only thing is that it doesn't really seem like purging these articles does anything to force the orchestrator to retry its evaluation so the article might not render that paragraph until someone comes in and pokes at it by editing it somehow. ::: :::The working article uses the [[f:Z33068|''paragraph from sentences'']] function to lay out its individual sentence content. This function automatically handles converting any and all text-like objects (strings, HTML fragments, and monolingual text) to a consistent form, so sentence fragments can all be supplied verbatim to its list input. When the function is putting the sentences together it defaults to using a single space to separate them, but first checks if the requested language is in the [[f:Z33984|''languages without spaces between sentences'']] list. If it is, it doesn't add spaces at all, and just concatenates the sentences normally. I hope this explanation makes sense. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 18:19, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::::It makes some sense, but earlier, you suggested: "If you see these problems, please do fix them", and I'm not entirely sure how to do it. How would I fix it in [[Q100]], for example? [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 19:41, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::::In this case you would do the following: :::::# At the bottom, click the plus and then 「Add empty fragment」. :::::# Set the function to [[f:Z33068]], as mentioned earlier. :::::# Now go through each sentence fragment, find the innermost sentence-generation function, click on the three dots, and copy it. Do not copy the calls to [[f:Z29749]] or similar, these are not necessary. :::::# Go to the ''paragraph with sentences'' function call and add an element to the list. :::::# Click on the three dots next to the new element, and paste in the earlier sentence fragment. :::::# You can now delete the original fragment and repeat the process in the same list for the one after it. :::::&mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 19:46, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Theki|Theki]] I intend on fixing it, I recently made an attempt but the suggested fixes made problems worse. Do you have any practical suggestions of how to structure the templates? I will try to implement them when I have more time. ::Also your name is very confusing, are you in the process of getting it changed wiki-wide? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:36, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::Um, are you referring to my signature not matching my wiki username? I have considered for a long time changing it from ''theki'', but I don't feel like putting in the effort when it seems to be perfectly ignorable for most people. The user 「''Rae''」 can't be usurped because they made, like, two or three articles on the Persian Wikipedia two decades ago or something, I don't know. If that weren't the case I would be User:Rae right now but after that failed to go through I just decided to stop bothering. Maybe at some point I'll come up with a username I'm happy with keeping for the foreseeable future but I have other concerns at the moment. :::Could you explain how your attempted fixes 「made problems worse」? Presently I side with Feeglgeef's sentiments and prefer to wait for abstract content to actually be feasible to make on a reasonably descriptive scale (see: the type proposals) before I go around making articles willy-nilly, which is what AWE has been doing—making a bunch of pretty low-quality articles on a massive scale when it probably ''really'' would have been better to, err, hold off on that. :::And I honestly know very little about the actual workings of your editor, I don't really use it nor am I familiar with its template syntax or whatever it may use, so I'm going to look over how it actually works and then get back to you on that. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 23:28, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Using this [[f:Z33068]] made things worse [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 00:44, 3 May 2026 (UTC) :::::That did not go through correctly but I do not think we have a proper thing for it. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 00:45, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::What? Could you elaborate? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 01:00, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::{{ping|Immanuelle}} I checked. Your issue is that your editor is not providing the article language to Z33068K2; that is, the ''paragraph from sentences'' function has a second argument, and your editor was omitting it. If you properly specify it, it will work. Please, next time, actually tell me what went wrong instead of going quiet and forcing me to look after it myself. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:06, 4 May 2026 (UTC) :I avoid [[f:Z33068]] for now, because executing a whole paragraph in a single call would often time out. So my current alternative is inserting [[f:Z35672]] between sentences. Fairly clunky, but it works... --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 06:08, 28 May 2026 (UTC) ::Can you categorize the talk pages of articles you're doing that with? It has major accessibility concerns for our friends using screen readers, so it'd be nice to be able to find those with issues when were able to fix the calls [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:50, 28 May 2026 (UTC) :::I think the new tool can show us this (via dumps). For example, here are the uses of 'paragraph': https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/zid/Z32123 --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 23:07, 28 May 2026 (UTC) ::::There's more than one way to not use spaces correctly and more than one way to use spaces correctly, this wouldn't catch all of them. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:13, 28 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I'm not totally sure what you want to track, but I'm confident that this will find all my uses. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 02:10, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::::I think it slipped past everyone's notice, but I made a template for linking to that sort of information @ [[Template:Zd|<nowiki>{{</nowiki>zd<nowiki>}}</nowiki>]]. {{zd|Z35672|sentence separator}} <span style="font-size:smaller;opacity:0.8">(I don't think the database dumps have noticed the function you're using yet, so it's a 404 at the moment.)</span> &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 01:09, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Most used fragments == [[:f:Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-02|The latest status update]] lists the most used fragments: "[[:f:Z32123]] with 1452, followed by [[:f:Z27868]] with 736 and [[:f:Z29749]] with 650)". How was this calculated? [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 13:44, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :Again, this should definitely have been on the talk page for that status update. This isn't the everything page, it should be used for discussion relating to the wiki. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:26, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::It's not a question just about the status update, even if it was prompted by it. It's a question about Abstract Wikipedia that can be relevant beyond the status update. ::Stop policing how people use discussion pages without a particularly good reason. If you don't have an answer to the actual question, don't write anything. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 19:38, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::I have to agree with Feeglgeef that this would be better raised on the status update's talk page itself. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 19:42, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::I'm "policing" which discussion pages are being used for the same reason different discussion spaces exist in the first place. And your distinction between "just about" and "prompted by" is irrelevant. If I want to ask someone how they did something, I would ask them first, not go to a general discussion board. This is still the project ''chat'', not a Q&A zone. {{ping|DVrandecic (WMF)|p=,}} can you please answer the question? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:22, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :I have a local script that I have run on a local copy. Nothing more complicated than that. Could also be very wrong -- the script hasn't been peer-reviewed or anything. --[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]] ([[User talk:DVrandecic (WMF)|talk]]) 08:54, 4 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thanks, @[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]]. Can you share the code, please? I'll be happy to review it. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 15:30, 4 May 2026 (UTC) ==Wiktionary integration== I was trying out a few functions recently, such as [https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z27243 the new superlative function], and I noticed that ''every adjective'' has to be a Wikidata item. For example, I couldn't type in the inputs "Bugatti Veyron", "fast", "Earth" because "fast" as an adjective is not a Wikidata item. This doesn't really make sense, given that Wiktionary already has the word for "fast" and its superlative form in many different languages. Would it be possible to integrate Wiktionary into the function, so the user can type an adjective or verb from Wiktionary instead of having to deal with Wikidata (which consists almost entirely of nouns)? [[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] ([[User talk:Somepinkdude|talk]]) 16:49, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :No, sadly. I would try "speed" as the adjective, though, you have to use abstract qualities instead of concrete English terms. [[File:Wikifunctions Superlative speed example.png|thumb|Here's an example of the word being used.]] [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:02, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :Wikidata has standard items as well as lexeme data, so if anything, we should try to integrate those. E.g. [[:d:Lexeme:L1029]]. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 19:48, 6 May 2026 (UTC) ::I tried this, and it gave "Bugatti Veyron is the speedest car on Earth", which is laughably bad. The problem is that Wikidata does not "know" what the superlative form is, while Wiktionary does. Speed is a fairly common descriptor, but what about less common adjectives which aren't on Wikidata? Will there need to be a bot to copy all of this information from Wiktionary? [[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] ([[User talk:Somepinkdude|talk]]) 22:14, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :::I'm not suggesting that the functionality works <em>now</em>, but that we need to integrate the funcationality. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 22:17, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :::Well, no, the superlative form is chosen by [[f:Z12203]]. I think there's a bug with the English implementation that calls that function wrong. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:19, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] I did find the item {{Q|Q19807466}} which was linked to a concept database's entry for "fast"; I have at least linked it to the English lexeme "fast" and will try to add more links at a better hour. [[User:Mahir256|Mahir256]] ([[User talk:Mahir256|talk]]) 04:18, 7 May 2026 (UTC) == Showcase == I was wondering if there's a curated list of decent articles to learn by example here on Abstract Wikipedia? [[User:Fgnievinski|Fgnievinski]] ([[User talk:Fgnievinski|talk]]) 02:02, 8 May 2026 (UTC) :Unfortunately not, and, honestly, I wouldn't recommend article creation at the moment, it's likely to need significant refactoring as the way we represent abstract content changes, but, I can point you to [[Q668]] as a reasonably good example at the moment. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:39, 8 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you. "308 languages" blew my mind – well done! [[User:Fgnievinski|Fgnievinski]] ([[User talk:Fgnievinski|talk]]) 02:54, 8 May 2026 (UTC) :::308 is the number of ''concrete'' Wikipedias in which a manually-written article about India is available. :::The abstract article renders for me in English as "India is a country in Asia. India is a republic. New Delhi is the capital of India. India is the most populous country in world." Switching to another language to get rendered as an abstract article is done by typing the language's name in the box above the rendered text. I tried French, German, and Dutch, and got errors in all of them. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 03:12, 8 May 2026 (UTC) ::::So it goes. The paragraph has quite a lot of distinct sentence generation functions, all of which of course have to be implemented in the target language. This will be rounded out once we're able to more effectively generalize linguistic content. I view these functions as sort of patchy temporary solutions to the sentence generation problem while we figure out something more robust, which I hope is soon to come. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 04:15, 8 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #247 is out: References from Wikidata now available == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-08|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we announce that is now possible to pass references in Wikidata statements, we introduce the [https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/ Abstract Data dashboard], we report you on the presentation about Abstract Wikipedia at WikiCon Australia, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Also, we remind you that if you have questions or ideas to discuss, the next '''Volunteers' Corner''' will be held on '''[https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1778520600 May 11, at 17:30 UTC]''' ([https://meet.google.com/xuy-njxh-rkw link to the meeting]). Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 11:16, 8 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30325620 --> == about the usage of Z33068 == The use of [[f:Z33068]] (en: paragraph from sentences) <s>always</s> most of the time results in the error "Reached time limit in orchestrator." So should it be used at all for now, temporarily? Or maybe there are already some tickets about this that I am not aware of? -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 18:23, 10 May 2026 (UTC) :It previously worked, so I'm hoping whatever the issue is will be fixed soon. The current state of the wiki makes [[m:Immediatism|immediatism]] an illogical philosophy to have at the moment, in my opinion. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:16, 10 May 2026 (UTC) ::This issue seems to no longer exist, you might need to clear the cache by making a dummy edit on affected articles. I implemented the function in Python (instead of composition), which has increased the speed by about 2000 ms. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 04:31, 11 May 2026 (UTC) :::Seems like working. Thank you. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 19:06, 11 May 2026 (UTC) == Manual of Style == I've created a [[Abstract Wikipedia:Manual of Style|draft for a Manual of Style]]. Please feel free to comment on or make bold edits to the page. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:29, 11 May 2026 (UTC) :Thank you! That’s great and I’ll look at it more soon. I’m still taking a bit of a wikibreak. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:32, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :Is there anything I've written [[f:User:Theki/best_practices#Abstract_Wikipedia|here]] that you think would make for a good technical section of the page? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 00:04, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::I've added some of them. Thank you for your list of best practices by the way, I generally agree with them (I can't endorse connecting WD items currently in hope of a better technical solution, but otherwise I do). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 00:58, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Proposals on the architecture of Abstract Content rendering == Starting from a discussion born on the Wikifunctions Telegram chat, I've explained two different proposals on how the NLG on Abstract Wikipedia should be organized in the page [[User:Dv103/Abstract articles architectures]]. Please come to contribute to the discussion, or to propose alternatives. [[User:Dv103|Dv103]] ([[User talk:Dv103|talk]]) 14:32, 11 May 2026 (UTC) == [[MediaWiki:Wikimedia-copyright-footer]] == The copyright message has a few issues, mainly that it does not address abstract content (which is not "text"), nor object labels (which are under CC0). Proposed text: "<nowiki> Text and abstract content are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License]; the labels of objects from [[f:|Wikifunctions]] are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ Creative Commons CC0 License]; additional terms may apply. See [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Terms_of_Use Terms of Use] for details. </nowiki>" Which, when rendered, looks like: Text and abstract content are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License]; the labels of objects from [[f:|Wikifunctions]] are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ Creative Commons CC0 License]; additional terms may apply. See [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Terms_of_Use Terms of Use] for details. The message is somewhat inspired by the current one and WF's. Thoughts? Thank you! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:30, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: As you probably imagine, this text is very tightly controlled by the Wikimedia Foundation's Legal department. I think the first port of call should be a discussion about why you might want to change things, rather than a rush to specific re-wordings, before approaching them for sign-off. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 14:28, 12 May 2026 (UTC) ::Well I briefly summarized my justification, my proposed text was just an idea for a starting point. Basically, the abstract content is not really "text", so the footer doesn't actually tell the reader what they're allowed to do with it, and I argue that the current wording implies that the labels are licensed under CC-BY-SA 4, when they aren't. I think a change is critical as otherwise we're not showing the reader a license, or, arguably, in the case of labels, showing users a license that ''does not apply'', which is a pretty bad thing. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:51, 12 May 2026 (UTC) == [[MediaWiki:AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions.json]] == I'd think we should add [[f:Z33068]] here. The function allows you to form a paragraph out of sentences and handles languages having different standards of whether to add a space between them, and adding it here would make finding it easier. I'm not sure what policy we want to have for the suggested functions, this idea might help formulate it. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:06, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :[[User:Jdforrester (WMF)]] tells me the page has been changed to [[Special:CommunityConfiguration/AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions]] on the telegram. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:25, 12 May 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: Yup, see the weekly update on [[f:Wikifunctions:Status_updates/2026-05-02|2026-05-02]]. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 16:35, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :I also believe Z33068 should be added to the list. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:25, 12 May 2026 (UTC) {{done}} see [[Special:Diff/7692]]. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 09:08, 20 May 2026 (UTC) == Abstract Wikipedia statistics site source code == https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/ is a very useful tool, but it doesn't seem to have anything pointing to the location of its source code. Is it closed-source or unfree? While I'm at it I feel I should suggest having language pages' paths formatted differently from how they are currently—at the moment it's <code>/languages/Toki%20Pona</code> when something like <code>/languages/tok</code> would be more suitable. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; : See [[:gitlab:toolforge-repos/abstract-data]]. Also pinging {{ping|DSantamaria-WMF|p=}} (thanks for the tool, by the way). [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 00:25, 13 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you. I think a link to that repository should be put in a footer somewhere on the website as I wouldn't have found that if not for you. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 02:30, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::{{ping|Theki}} For the record, I found that repo by searching for "abstract-data" on [[:toolhub:|Toolhub]]. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 03:34, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::Thanks for the feedback and the report, fixed both things, we have now the link to the repo in the side bar footer, and also the language codes are used in the URLs. Thanks! [[User:DSantamaria-WMF|DSantamaria-WMF]] ([[User talk:DSantamaria-WMF|talk]]) 11:46, 13 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Are you particularly attached to keeping country flag emojis next to the language names? Some consider it an [https://flagsarenotlanguages.com/blog anti-pattern]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 16:17, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I think the use of flags is not really harmful since this is not a ''language selector'', it is just a list of languages. Of course not every language has an associated flag, for example Latin, which does look a bit awkward, but it can't be helped. Maybe give languages without a flag a unique icon from Wikimedia Commons? e.g. <div style="display:inline-flex;align-items:center;border:1px solid #0002;border-radius:4px;gap:4px;padding:4px;">[[File:Toki pona.svg|16px]] Toki Pona</div> instead of <div style="display:inline-flex;align-items:center;border:1px solid #0002;border-radius:4px;gap:4px;padding:4px;"><span>🌐</span>Toki Pona</div>. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 16:37, 14 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::I thought I saw 🏛️ being used for Latin earlier. But of course, as far as the Unicode Consortium is concerned, [[Q65300415|🇬🇧]] doesn't mean '[[Q1680|English]]', no more than [[Q100587670|🏳️‍🌈]] means '[[Q1359130|Polari]]'; technically, it doesn't even mean '[[Q145|United Kingdom]]', just the letters 🇺 and 🇰 next to each other (which linguistically would indicate [[Q8798|Ukrainian]] in ISO 639, but these are 'regional indicator symbols'). [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 17:21, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::As seems (from this comment and also [[f:User_talk:DSantamaria-WMF#c-%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4-20260513063700-Country_flags_in_abstract-data|others' comments]]) that flags are a little bit controversial, I just removed them, IMHO it was just an aesthetic concept, I like the look and feel that flags bring to the language labels, but happy to remove them if make some people feel uncomfortable with the concept. [[User:DSantamaria-WMF|DSantamaria-WMF]] ([[User talk:DSantamaria-WMF|talk]]) 05:54, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Make it more user Friendly == Make it more user-friendly by adding drag-and-drop compenots and one click additions, and make it similar to a visual macro buidler. [[User:ChippyTechGH|ChippyTechGH]] ([[User talk:ChippyTechGH|talk]]) 01:00, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :Could you file something like this on [[phab:|phabricator]]? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:01, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Person infoboxes == Hi all, I've just created [[f:Z35167|infobox for person (Z35167)]]. All it can really do presently is display the name of the person in the chosen language and in the person's native language, but it's a good start. I started writing it as a composition but chose to switch to writing it in JavaScript instead, which ended up being less headache-inducing (managing a large list of strings to concatenate together is not fun, plus compositions bring lots of additional overhead). Unfortunately, this means that the actual ''useful'' parts of the infobox—the information about the person themself—is not really doable. I'd need to dereference the Wikidata property references to get their label in the requested language, but since they're references and I'm working with code, not compositions, I can't just call [[f:Z6822|fetch Wikidata property (Z6822)]] and be done with it. If there's a WikiLambda API to do this inside of the JS itself that would be great and would solve everything, but at the moment that alone is what's holding it back, or so it seems. I can get the actual ''values'' of statements just fine, though. If I am missing some amazing WikiLambda API function that will solve this problem for me by letting me dereference the PID, then please let me know because that would be great. If you want to look at an example of the infobox right meow, you can view [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/tok/Q317521 Q317521 in Toki Pona] and see how it states Musk's name in both Toki Pona ''and'' his native English name. COOL! My hope is that this can be made less barebones in the near future. Infoboxes are a great way to get quick information on a subject and can fill in the informational gaps in the presently sparse articles we have at the moment, all while staying in the user's requested language. Feedback is appreciated! &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 02:58, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :Thank you for this! I wonder if perhaps it would be better to create one "infobox" function and then have compositions call that, making wd retrival possible? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:38, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::Working on that at the moment, I think I've got it working but I'm hitting a ratelimit in the orchestrator so I don't know for sure. The main issue with it now is that the actual [[f:Z35175|infobox template (Z35175)]] wrapper was programmed in JS so as to not be a pain in the ass, so this means that it can only take in strings, HTML fragments, etc. so the retrieval of Wikidata stuff still needs to be done by the caller and is rather verbose (see [[f:Z35168|the main implementation]]). The niceties will come soon later once I know that it all works at a lower level, though. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 05:04, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::So the problem now seems to be that when [[f:Z29825|label of Wikidata property in language (Z29825)]] isn't being faulty, it's being incredibly slow. Considering retrieving Wikidata items from their references seems to take, like, four to five seconds, and we'll have tens of statements in these infoboxes, I don't see how the property names could be retrieved in a way that doesn't cause the orchestrator to time out or hit a ratelimit. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 06:01, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::I think I figured something out? I'm just going to try calling [[f:Z35036|fetch Wikidata property or parts (Z35036)]], it seems to be much faster for whatever reason. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 06:05, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::It works now, a little rough around the edges, also very slow, but I think I'm mostly happy with it. Of course it would be great if all you needed to provide to the template function to get a label-statement row was the property reference itself, but I'm too sleep-deprived to figure that out at the moment. I made five bespoke functions specifically for this infobox, more than I would like, but it's probably not ''that'' bad. I'm just hoping I didn't duplicate any functionality in trying to make the composition less verbose and repetitive. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 07:15, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #248 is out: A higher meaning == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-15|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we discuss functions creating language fragments, we present our latest news in Types, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 14:36, 15 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30536976 --> == Translations == Yes, this question is probably easily answerable through a Web search, but I thought I'd ask here anyways. I am unfortunately not bilingual... I know Toki Pona, but it's a constructed language. I'd love to be a polyglot of some sorts but that is a future thing. I've been trying to translate pages into tok, for funsies mostly. At any rate, I want to convert some of the un-translated pages, namely Feeglgeef's policy drafts, into ones that can be translated (and then translate them into Toki Pona of course). I think I have to be a translation administrator for this? Which is a process that I'd have to ''apply'' for, and I doubt I have the credentials to be accepted for such a role. Regardless, is there a way I can go about this without having to do it through someone else? I can probably easily find documentation on marking pages for translation but I don't know how much I'm actually capable of doing as just a regular user. Should I apply? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 14:15, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :Most of the process of preparing a page for translation can be done by any editor. See [[:mw:Help:Extension:Translate/Page translation example]]. :The step of marking a page or translation for the first time or after changes must be done by a translation administrator. :I recommend learning the <nowiki><translate> and <tvar></nowiki> syntax and using it on a few pages before applying for this permission. After you do it on a few pages, and you feel confident, and you want to do it more, you can ask for the permission. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 14:28, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::Just to confirm, did I mark up [[Special:Diff/8138|this page]] for translation properly? I thought to give the hatnote its own <code>&lt;translate&gt;</code> enclosure so as to exclude the indent and italicization from needing to be included in the translatable text. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:10, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::Mostly properly, but don't exclude <code><nowiki>''</nowiki></code> for italics from translation. It's generally a good idea to exclude complex markup from translation because it's hard for many people to type, and it usually stays the same in translation anyway. <code><nowiki>''</nowiki></code> for italics is different, however: it's very simple to type and familiar to most editors; italic letters are used differently in different languages, and in some languages they aren't used at all, so translators need the freedom to use them appropriately; this markup can also appear in the middle of a translation unit and not only in the ends. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 15:35, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Thank you for the guidance. Should the italics be included if they are used over the entire hatnote? I figure that placement of italics should be left up to the discretion of the translators, but the hatnote itself is meant to be entirely italicized, I would think irrespective of the language it's in. Is this the right idea or should they still be kept within the translation unit? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:45, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::::Yes, italics should be included in the translation unit if they are used over the entire hatnote. Some languages don't use italic writing at all, so it shouldn't be forced. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:36, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :I'd support a translation administrator request ;), for reasons below. I'm not sure why we need a seperate translation administrator right, or why we have to call it an "administrator" (deciding that a page could be translated is a much less important role than, say, page deletion, or blocking). We picked three of them (well, one of them went through the WMF, so we picked two), [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=pagetranslation&user=&page=&excludetempacct=1&wpdate=&tagfilter=&wpfilters%5B%5D=newusers&wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist they don't appear very active, though], only marking 9 times this month, zero (0) of which were for pages marked for the first time. Both community translation admins used their global history and rights to get the role and only stop by occasionally, so having one who ''actually'' edits here would be nice. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:06, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::This reply echos my philosophy of a sort of wiki-[[Q166005|xenophobia]] (the term xenophobia is probably too harsh, and I wouldn't consider myself one in real life, but it's the best word I can think of), I generally distrust users with a lot of global rights (both global sysop etc. and large amounts of local rights) who come make [[m:Metapedianism|metapedian]] contributions, not as people but to their ability to handle Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia as incredibly unique and technically complex projects. I apologize if it my opinions come off as rude or ungrateful, I do appreciate the work of our translation administrators. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:26, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::You don't bother me, it's fine. I think they definitely have a place, they can be useful and they usually are. Obviously local admins and what have you that earned their roles through the trust and reputation of the specific community they are in are going to occupy a more trusting position in my mind than a global sysop or global ''anything''. Specialized role members are good and healthy in the long term; I think we are giving these privileges to global users sparingly as the project is still in its infancy and as core contributors emerge and take up key positions we will have a more well-rounded and self-sustaining community with less global privileges needed to take up certain tasks. Wikifunctions probably needed some Foundation members or other staff to act as functioneers initially while the general community was still orienting themselves with WikiLambda and working on applying for the role, but now we have [[f:Special:ListUsers/functioneer|74(!) of them]] and the number of normal members using their specialized skills outnumbers those who were "grandfathered" in (for lack of a better term) or similar. The wiki is young—it just needs time. I myself have been considering applying for sysop privileges since they are obviously needed (there being exactly Zero of them at the moment); I've been weighing the pros and cons of such a commitment, it's obviously a lot to take up. I wish your sysop request went through, I think you would have made a great admin here. I'm unsure of what others think of my capabilities, I'm rather in-and-out around these social spaces so I don't know if there's much to go off of. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:55, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Totally agree, and I'd support a sysopship request as well, though I'm apparently not good at assessing what the community considers supportable in admin candidate ;). ::::Off-topic, but interestingly, the sysop toolset allows you to grant yourself translation adminship. I'm not sure if sysops are expected not to grant themselves the permissions (kind of like how on enwiki 'crats are expected not grant themselves any rights without discussion despite having the technical rights), but I did it to myself on WF because [https://www.wikifunctions.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=84940 another sysop had]. Additionally, the functioneer right [[Special:ListGroupRights#functioneer|exists on this wiki]], with the same rights on WF, despite all of them not doing anything on this wiki. I believe this is because, on the technical side, both AW and WF are powered by the same MediaWiki extension (Wikilambda), with one wiki set to a mode for abstract articles and another set to a mode for ZObjects. [https://dag.wikipedia.org/wiki/Di%C5%8B%27gahim:ListGroupRights#functioneer Checking the Dagbani Wikipedia] supports this theory. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:00, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::::It always depends on the local policy. For Wikifunctions it is: ''Administrators do not need to undergo another discussion to become translation administrators; they can self-grant the rights to their account if necessary. Temporary administrators are not allowed to self-grant permanent translation administrator rights.'' :::::The availability of the functioneer right is a bug, see [[phab:T407066]]. --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 19:36, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::If you don't consider yourself a xenophobe in real life, I would recommend not calling yourself that here, or anywhere really. Especially since it was the ideological capture during the 2010s of the Croatian-language Wikipedia [[w:hr:]] by actual xenophobes that was part of the impetus for Abstract Wikipedia according to [https://simia.net/wiki/Draft:_Collaborating_on_the_sum_of_all_knowledge_across_languages#A_look_on_some_south_Slavic_language_Wikipedias Denny's blog]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 22:10, 26 May 2026 (UTC) == Policy drafts == Hi all! I've written some draft policies and guidelines over the last few days. We're not a bureaucracy, so the point is not to set some rules but to kick off some discussions as to how our wiki will work. So far, I've created: * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability|a notability guideline]] * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy|a deletion policy]] I've written them as my opinion on what should happen, but I'm hoping to align them with community consensus as we discuss them more. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:44, 21 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #249 is out: Annual plan 2026-2027 == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-23|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we present you the current draft of objectives for Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia in the WMF Annual Plan 2026-2027, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 09:48, 25 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30536976 --> == To abstract Wikipedia or be the Abstract Wikipedia == There is a discussion happening about what the [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability|notability criteria]] for Abstract Wikipedia should be, and in trying to participate I've found my idea of Abstract Wikipedia is awfully abstract. Is Abstract Wikipedia supposed to abstract Wikipedia, as in abstracting information from existing articles on the language Wikipedias (barring new contributions), or is it supposed to become the Abstract Wikipedia, supporting collaboration across all languages like it's the language Wikipedia to end all language Wikipedias (allowing new contributions)? I thought the answer would be obvious, but the name Abstract Wikipedia is a bit ambiguous. Am I missing something? [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 02:16, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :I think ({{ping|DVrandecic (WMF)|p=?}}) the idea is (and I personally prefer) the latter. I believe that, given the fact that it's much easier to write a concrete article than an abstract article, and the fact that the community of potential future contributors on enwiki is skeptical ''at best'', we ultimately will never expand beyond the size of other wikis, but I see no problem with allowing volunteers to add information not on other wikis (it's probably not the most effective, but they're volunteers, beggars can't be choosers), as long as it's not vandalism, useless, or promotional slop. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:31, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] Abstract Wikipedia is a Wikipedia, where people can collaborate across languages on articles, which can then be used to fill gaps in the existing Wikipedias. Whereas I expect that current Wikipedia articles might be used as a convenient starting point for many of the articles in Abstract Wikipedia, this is more a consequence of Wikipedia being one of the best places to go to to find reliable knowledge, but that is not part of how it is supposed to work. So, this is not to abstract the existing Wikipedias, but to collaborate on an Abstract Wikipedia. At no point is this meant to replace existing Wikipedias. (Thanks to @[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] for the ping!) --[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]] ([[User talk:DVrandecic (WMF)|talk]]) 17:01, 27 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you, this makes a lot more sense now. [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 21:52, 27 May 2026 (UTC) == template suggestion == Some way to mock abstract syntax on talk and project pages, analogous to those in [[d:category:format Template]]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 15:21, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :Hmm. I agree. :Workshopping ideas for how it works: :* Invokation: <nowiki>{{Call|Z26039|{"Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1"}|{"Z1K1": "Z6091", "Z6091K1": "Q634"}|{"Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1"}|lang=en}}</nowiki> :** This could then be suplemented by helper templates: <nowiki>{{Call|Z26039|{{Wikidata item argument reference}}|{{Wikidata item reference|Q634}}|{{Language argument reference}}}}</nowiki> :* This would result in "[[f:Z26039|subject is instance of (string)]] (wikidata item reference, [[d:Q634|planet]], language)" :** Icons are missing in this example, I'm not sure if we can actually add them :Thoughts? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:04, 27 May 2026 (UTC) == Marking NLG Default text == Some NLG functions give default texts, like [[f:Z33420|Z33420]] will give text like "Paris ∈ {city}". sometimes in other languages the English text is show. Currently there is no visual clue that these texts are not normal text in the requested language. I propose we mark these text with color <span style="color:magenta;">Paris ∈ {city}</span> with something like <nowiki><span style="color:magenta;">Paris ∈ {city}</span></nowiki>. To have this configurable/maintainable this could be included in a function, called NLG default text or so, with a text as input an a text in color as output. The exact formatting like magenta color or gray background or something else can be discussed/decided later. To have it even more configurable on personal stylesheets it could use a class like <nowiki><span class="NLG Default text">Paris ∈ {city}</span></nowiki>. What do you think? Could somebody make such a function already? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 12:00, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :The are technically just monolingual texts in a language called "multiple languages". I threw a prototype together really quickly, [[f:Z35839]]. It will accept strings, monolingual texts, and html fragments as input, so you have to select which type you want. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:59, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::OK, thanks, I added it to [[f:Z26039]] and works as expected, see [https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Z26039?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z26039%22%2C%22Z26039K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q64%22%7D%2C%22Z26039K2%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q515%22%7D%2C%22Z26039K3%22%3A%22Z1555%22%7D here]. The test for the function with default text now fails because it now is in magenta color. That was to be expected. I will leave the tests unchanged if that is OK with you, as we might need to change the exact formatting. ::Is it OK to add this to other NLG functions that produce default output? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 15:59, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :::Sure, [[w:en:WP:Be bold|be bold]]! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:50, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Feeglgeef, I am struggling with the output. Can you have a look? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 17:02, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::::Can you link me to where? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:08, 30 May 2026 (UTC) == Ratification of the deletion policy proposal? == I haven't seen any unresolved objections to my proposal for a [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy|policy for deletion]]. Does anybody have any issues, and, if not, is it ok to ratify as an actual policy? I intend to remove the draft template and replace it with a policy template unless anyone voices any objection within a week. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:55, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :Is it just me or does [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Reasons for deletion]] render blank with only number bullets without the actual text after ''1.'' or ''2.''? [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 07:13, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::I see text. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 07:49, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::I can see on my phone, but it goes blank on my laptop. What is the role of ''<nowiki><span class="anchor" id="1"></nowiki>''? [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 12:15, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::::{{ping|Bunnypranav}} I can see the text everywhere (I tested connected and not connected, on my phone, laptop, with Chrome or Firefox ; what system do you use?). As the name suggest, the span anchor is here to create an HTML anchor, so you can do link like [[Abstract_Wikipedia:Deletion_policy#7]]. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 13:49, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I'm on Brave browser. Nevertheless, forget it. The culprit might be some random customization I did to my system which I cannot recollect. The reason is the span tag only though, tried a preview kicking out a text to just outside the tag and it worked. [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 14:23, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :Globally, it looks fine. I think that reasons 7 and 8 may need some examples/clarifications. There is no global consensus when it comes to creating categories. For example, categories for building interiors and exteriors. Personally, I feel that they are useful for easier discoverability. [[User:Jsamwrites|John Samuel]] ([[User:Jsamwrites|talk]]) 15:39, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::I've copied them over from enwiki. They're probably included in "content otherwise not suited for an encyclopedia." Since sysops can't speedy them, it'd be up to commenters on [[Abstract:RFD]] to determine. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:48, 30 May 2026 (UTC) rq2ythzb4jhjaoq0kl01bpclueocerk 9227 9226 2026-05-30T17:59:00Z HenkvD 1447 /* Marking NLG Default text */ Reply 9227 wikitext text/x-wiki {{#ifexist:Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat/Header/{{USERLANGUAGE}}|{{/Header/{{USERLANGUAGE}}}}|{{/Header}}}} {{/Archives}} <!-- Add your discussion below this line --> == Why don't we just structure this with wikitemplates? == I feel like the project could be done a lot better by using templates kind of like how wikipedia does them. Just the entire thing is templates that can be rendered in many languages. So like [[Q106289265]] would have the content <nowiki>{{Z26039|Q7257}}</nowiki> and could even have some aliasing done across languages so it could be <nowiki>{{subject is|Q7257}}</nowiki>. Code would be editable with a regular visual editor or code editor. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:34, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :This is available in pages when Parsoid rendering is enabled. We don't use this becuase it doesn't make sense for constructing and editing massive articles. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC) ::How do you do parsoid rendering? And why wouldn't it make sense? With aliases and everything could work great. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:12, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :::I believe it is enabled by default. If you do have it on: {{#function:Z10000|you'll s|ee this}} [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:54, 30 March 2026 (UTC) :you may be interested in reading this old [[m:Abstract_Wikipedia/Google.org_Fellows_evaluation|Google report]]. [[User:BrokenSegue|BrokenSegue]] ([[User talk:BrokenSegue|talk]]) 14:32, 9 May 2026 (UTC) == Why the editing API doesn't work == {{tracked|T423542}} Immanuelle wrongly stated that there is no REST API for editing. [[#REST API for editing?|There is]]. However, it does not work when called from software outside Abstract Wikipedia. That is because there is no way to grant a bot password or OAuth customer the permission to edit abstract articles (<code>wikilambda-abstract-edit</code>) and create them (<code>wikilambda-abstract-create</code>), since no grant on [[Special:ListGrants]] includes either. Should this be fixed? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 01:57, 26 April 2026 (UTC) :Yes I think the rights should be added. I think the number of automated edits should be low at the moment as Abstract Wikipedia is still in an early phase and so far there is not much support for small languages and so many functions will maybe change to cover more languages. As automatic editing using a Bot Account requires an formal request it is no problem if the option exists. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 18:17, 26 April 2026 (UTC) :Sounds good to me. Could we add a bot section to [[Abstract Wikipedia:Requests for permissions]]? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:35, 5 May 2026 (UTC) ::[[Abstract_Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions#Bot]] ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 23:56, 5 May 2026 (UTC) == Q884 == The page [[Q884]] has inaccurate statements about the head of government and the head of state of South Korea. Part of what it returns in English is "Lee Ju-ho is the head of government of South Korea.Park Geun-hye is the head of state of South Korea." However, neither Lee Ju-ho nor Park Geun-hye currently have their respective roles mentioned here. How should these statements be turned into ones using the past tense? [[User:Intolerable situation|Intolerable situation]] ([[User talk:Intolerable situation|talk]]) 14:44, 30 April 2026 (UTC) :not currently possible :((((( [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:46, 30 April 2026 (UTC) :Feeglgeef is correct, past tense sentence generation is something we are sorely lacking at the moment. If you look at [[f:WF:Type proposals#Representing abstract content|Wikifunctions' type proposals]] you can see some initiatives that could hopefully mitigate this. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 13:49, 1 May 2026 (UTC) == Abstract Wikipedia should use a different mw-wiki-logo than Wikipedia for Vector 2010 skin == {{Tracked|T424781}} Hello friends. I've been asked to start a community conversation about this. I'd like to propose that Abstract Wikipedia create its own logo, so that folks visiting this wiki don't get it mixed up with Wikipedia. Even though this project is under the Wikipedia domain, I think it's pretty unique and it'd make sense to make sure it doesn't get mixed up with enwiki or other Wikipedias by newbies googling for Wikipedia articles. Thoughts? Thanks. [[User:Novem Linguae|Novem Linguae]] ([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]]) 12:02, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :Isn't there already one? Are we talking about a logo in a different context? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 12:25, 1 May 2026 (UTC) ::Looks like this is just for the Vector 2010 skin. [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia:Main_page?useskin=vector Example.] I'll edit this section and the ticket to clarify that. [[User:Novem Linguae|Novem Linguae]] ([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]]) 12:28, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :::Ah, thank you, I'd {{s}} this then. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 12:31, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :This has been raised before above in [[#Logo]], the same problem appears on Monobook. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 13:45, 1 May 2026 (UTC) ::Would you support using [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/static/images/mobile/copyright/abstractwiki-wordmark.svg the Vector 2022 logo] on Vector 2010 and Monobook? That'd be a simple technical solution. [[User:Novem Linguae|Novem Linguae]] ([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]]) 14:02, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :::Yes, I see no issue with using that for the moment. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 14:04, 1 May 2026 (UTC) == What would it take for AW to catch up to (English) Reasonator? Porting over functions? == The Wikidata tool [https://reasonator.toolforge.org Reasonator] already automatically creates several sentences in English describing human Wikidata items using [https://codeberg.org/magnusmanske/reasonator/commit/b506362c3c2e90b32de32708ec668eee49603cb0 auto_long_desc.js] under [https://codeberg.org/magnusmanske/reasonator/src/commit/a6ee9095c3accfb67845caf438ce83c98c19e38e/LICENSE a GPL 2.0 free software license] without using any large language model or other AI. Abstract Wikipedia, on the other hand, requires [[Help:How to create an article/en|a several step process just to create a lead sentence]]. Does Resonator have functions in [https://codeberg.org/magnusmanske/reasonator/src/commit/a6ee9095c3accfb67845caf438ce83c98c19e38e/public_html/auto_long_desc.js#L406 the English section of auto_long_desc.js] that Wikifunctions doesn't have at the moment? Is that what's preventing Abstract Wikipedia from auto-generating substantial text (at least in English) based off of Wikidata like Resonator does? Below is [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q1339&lang=en an example of what Resonator can generate from Wikidata] without needing human edits the way Abstract Wikipedia does. (Though I omitted some children for the sake of brevity.) <blockquote> '''Johann Sebastian Bach''' was a [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=696651 Saxe-Eisenach]-[https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=12548 Holy Roman Empire]-[https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=183 German] [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=36834 composer], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=765778 organist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=5371902 harpsichordist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=1259917 violinist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=899758 violist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=158852 conductor], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=1076502 choir director], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=691031 concertmaster], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=14915627 musicologist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=16145150 music educator], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=214970 virtuoso], and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=2251335 school teacher]. He was born on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1685-03-21 March 21, 1685] in [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=7070 Eisenach] to [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=309470 Johann Ambrosius Bach] and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=66671 Maria Elisabeth Lämmerhirt]. He studied at [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=1930161 St. Michael's School] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1702-04 April 1702]. His field of work included [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=8361 Baroque music] and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=9730 classical music]. He was [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=215793 chapelmaster] from [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1717-12 December 1717] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1723-04 April 1723] and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=641457 Thomaskantor] from [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1723 1723] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1750 1750]. He worked for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=117540 Collegium Musicum], for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=1230608 Saint Blaise], for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=61689 Leopold, Prince of Anhalt-Köthen], for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=61972 Johann Ernst III, Duke of Saxe-Weimar] from [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1703-01 January 1703] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1703-08 August 1703], for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=699668 Thomasschule zu Leipzig], and for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=798194 Bachkirche Arnstadt] from [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1703-08 August 1703] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1707 1707]. He married [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=57487 Maria Barbara Bach] on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1707-10-17 October 17, 1707] (married until on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1720-07-07 July 7, 1720] ) and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=57212 Anna Magdalena Bach] on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1721-12-03 December 3, 1721] (married until on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1750-07-28 July 28, 1750] ). His children include [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=15079141 Catharina Dorothea Bach], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=107277 Wilhelm Friedemann Bach], […] He died of [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=12202 stroke] on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1750-07-28 July 28, 1750] in [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=2079 Leipzig]. He was buried at [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=170402 St. Thomas Church]. </blockquote> [[User:Lovelano|Lovelano]] ([[User talk:Lovelano|talk]]) 18:41, 1 May 2026 (UTC) == Project scope == Might be a stupid question but what articles are/will be allowed on Abstract Wikipedia? How far is it meant to expand? The language Wikipedias have some differing policies, so might not be as simple as copying those. Personally I find the idea of creating an article for any and every Wikidata item really cool and a good ''baseline'' for what can have an article, but wouldn't ~120 million abstract articles become unwieldy? If the only requirement is that the article topic has a Wikidata item, then there are many interesting possibilities; one could write about individual dates, Wikidata test items, even Wikimedia disambiguation pages. Have not found where this is explained, if anywhere. This may be up to common sense, but trouble is, couldn't one create an encyclopedically meaningful article on just about anything? Pretty important policy not to have if it's undecided, though is not a problem at the moment. Just wondering. [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 23:36, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :This isn't a stupid question and I don't think this is entirely settled. Have you seen [[Abstract Wikipedia:About]]? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 23:57, 1 May 2026 (UTC) ::Ah, I forgot about that page. So it is meant to abstract information from existing Wikipedia articles? Makes sense, though it still raises the question of creating new articles. [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 00:41, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::At this juncture, I don't think anyone has in mind drafting anything new here as such: this is just responding to existing Wikidata items and the possibility of new Wikipedia articles drafted from them, using Wikifunctions. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 00:51, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :I don't think we ever get any article an existing wiki does not have. Even if abstract content creation gets as fast as reasonably possible, it will never beat out typing text, so we will never catch up with, say, enwiki or eswiki. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:10, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::It's also a question of policy. There are topics about which things could be said, but which wouldn't meet the baseline notability or other criteria of the big monolingual wikis. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:22, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::This is true, if we keep [[d:]]'s notability policy (which seems like the most natural one) then there are many subjects that we theoretically can talk about that don't meet the [[w:WP:GNG|GNG]] and similar guidelines. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:25, 2 May 2026 (UTC) == How many articles in how many languages are actually fully available without errors == This is a response to the call in [[:f:Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-02]]. The most important thing to count is already listed there: '''How many articles in how many languages are actually fully available without errors?''' It should be not just a count, but a list: I want to see which articles are readable in which languages; which articles are readable in some languages, but not others (which ones?); which articles are not readable in any language; etc. An even more relevant, but much harder to measure thing is how many of those articles are actually more useful than not having an article at all. There is no article about Boston in many languages, but [[Q100]], which currently says "Boston is the capital of Massachusetts.Boston is the largest city of Massachusetts." is not significantly more useful than nothing at all even if it's fully rendered in another language in which there is no concrete article about it. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 12:12, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :Perhaps this should have been on the talk page of that status update instead of the project chat? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:25, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::The status update is about two projects and so I can understand if there are comments here. What do you think about creating a status update overview page with links to the status updates in Abstract Wikipedia to offer the possibility to discuss the status updates and especially things related to Abstract Wikipedia there. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 18:57, 4 May 2026 (UTC) :::I don't think that's necessary. You can just include your abstractwiki (as in, the live wiki, not the project) related comments on the page on [[f:]], or, if for some reason that's not possible, as a reply to the newsletter announcement here. The point is, the project chat is crowded enough with topics as it is, ideally it should be more focussed on general matters of discussion than close-ended enquiries about topics that have their own talk page. I find Amire80's use of a new == heading here to be improper. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:32, 4 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #246 is out: Request for input: what should we count for Abstract Wikipedia == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-02|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we ask you what would be the relevant metrics for Abstract Wikipedia, we discuss our latest news on Composition Language v2, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 12:21, 2 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30325620 --> == Spaces between sentences, another attempt == [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat#Extra spaces between sentences|A month ago]], @[[User:内存溢出的猫|内存溢出的猫]]<ref group="spaces3>According to Google Translate, it's pronounced "Nèicún yìchū de māo". Please correct me if it's wrong. When I write, I want to know how are things that I write pronounced aloud, and very unfortunately, I never learned to read Chinese characters, and even if I did, most English speakers probably didn't. Come to think of it, is there a function that ''reliably'' transliterates Chinese characters?</ref> That discussion doesn't seem to have yielded any fixes or meaningful discussions, at least not that I can see. [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat#Spaces between sentences|Two weeks ago]], I tried to bring up a similar topic, but that discussion somehow got derailed and also didn't yield anything useful. Now, the problem looks differently, but it's still a problem. When I look at [[Q10251]], for example, what I see is four sentences that ''appear'' with ''no'' spaces between them. Not one, not two—none at all. It looks like this: :Plasma is a fundamental state of matter.Plasma is a classical state of matter.A plasma is a gas.A plasma is a matter. Note that I emphasized ''appear'': When I see them rendered on the screen, they have no spaces between them. In the HTML, however, they are represented as four <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>s, and their inline positioning is handled by CSS. This means, for example, that if I copy and paste them, I don't get a long string with no spaces after full stops, but four sentences with a single line break after each full stop: <poem> Plasma is a fundamental state of matter. Plasma is a classical state of matter. A plasma is a gas. A plasma is a matter. </poem> This is not how it is supposed to be done. <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>s are supposed to be used for block elements and not hacked into appearing as if they are inline (also known as phrasing). Spaces between sentences are supposed to be real characters rather than HTML and CSS tricks, they may be different in different languages, and in some languages they may be nothing at all. I hope that the definition of the problem is clear. <references group="spaces3"></references> [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 12:49, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :Hi, have a look at it [[Special:PermanentLink/7132|now]]. Does this match your expectations? I think it's not rendering right now for whatever reason, but there are other examples of it being done this way that you can see: [[Q241691]]. The article renders properly in both English (spaces between sentences) and Japanese (no spaces at all). : :'''English:''' :<blockquote>Programmed Data Processor is a computer model series by Digital Equipment Corporation. PDP-8 is a Programmed Data Processor.</blockquote> :'''Japanese:''' :<blockquote>PDPシリーズはディジタル・イクイップメント・コーポレーションによるコンピュータ・モデル・シリーズである。PDP-8はPDPシリーズである。</blockquote> : :I have some, err, strong opinions about [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]]'s 「Abstract Wikipedia Editor」 tool, which is the predominant cause for all of these very janky and poorly-laid-out articles that you see. This is not how an article ought to be written on Abstract Wikipedia, and I and other editors are aware of this. If you see these problems, please do fix them! The wiki will be all the better for it. : :In the absence of consensus on such things as these (and awaiting any official policy pages) I have written [[f:User:Theki/best practices]] on my Wikifunctions userpage. You are welcome to read it if you wish. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:20, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::The output of [[Q241691]] looks OK to me in this regard. How was it done? ::[[Q10251]] gives me an error. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:10, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::WikiLambda is doing WikiLambda things. This WASI time limit error happens intermittently on Abstract Wikipedia articles and it usually goes away after a short while. The only thing is that it doesn't really seem like purging these articles does anything to force the orchestrator to retry its evaluation so the article might not render that paragraph until someone comes in and pokes at it by editing it somehow. ::: :::The working article uses the [[f:Z33068|''paragraph from sentences'']] function to lay out its individual sentence content. This function automatically handles converting any and all text-like objects (strings, HTML fragments, and monolingual text) to a consistent form, so sentence fragments can all be supplied verbatim to its list input. When the function is putting the sentences together it defaults to using a single space to separate them, but first checks if the requested language is in the [[f:Z33984|''languages without spaces between sentences'']] list. If it is, it doesn't add spaces at all, and just concatenates the sentences normally. I hope this explanation makes sense. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 18:19, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::::It makes some sense, but earlier, you suggested: "If you see these problems, please do fix them", and I'm not entirely sure how to do it. How would I fix it in [[Q100]], for example? [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 19:41, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::::In this case you would do the following: :::::# At the bottom, click the plus and then 「Add empty fragment」. :::::# Set the function to [[f:Z33068]], as mentioned earlier. :::::# Now go through each sentence fragment, find the innermost sentence-generation function, click on the three dots, and copy it. Do not copy the calls to [[f:Z29749]] or similar, these are not necessary. :::::# Go to the ''paragraph with sentences'' function call and add an element to the list. :::::# Click on the three dots next to the new element, and paste in the earlier sentence fragment. :::::# You can now delete the original fragment and repeat the process in the same list for the one after it. :::::&mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 19:46, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Theki|Theki]] I intend on fixing it, I recently made an attempt but the suggested fixes made problems worse. Do you have any practical suggestions of how to structure the templates? I will try to implement them when I have more time. ::Also your name is very confusing, are you in the process of getting it changed wiki-wide? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:36, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::Um, are you referring to my signature not matching my wiki username? I have considered for a long time changing it from ''theki'', but I don't feel like putting in the effort when it seems to be perfectly ignorable for most people. The user 「''Rae''」 can't be usurped because they made, like, two or three articles on the Persian Wikipedia two decades ago or something, I don't know. If that weren't the case I would be User:Rae right now but after that failed to go through I just decided to stop bothering. Maybe at some point I'll come up with a username I'm happy with keeping for the foreseeable future but I have other concerns at the moment. :::Could you explain how your attempted fixes 「made problems worse」? Presently I side with Feeglgeef's sentiments and prefer to wait for abstract content to actually be feasible to make on a reasonably descriptive scale (see: the type proposals) before I go around making articles willy-nilly, which is what AWE has been doing—making a bunch of pretty low-quality articles on a massive scale when it probably ''really'' would have been better to, err, hold off on that. :::And I honestly know very little about the actual workings of your editor, I don't really use it nor am I familiar with its template syntax or whatever it may use, so I'm going to look over how it actually works and then get back to you on that. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 23:28, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Using this [[f:Z33068]] made things worse [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 00:44, 3 May 2026 (UTC) :::::That did not go through correctly but I do not think we have a proper thing for it. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 00:45, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::What? Could you elaborate? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 01:00, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::{{ping|Immanuelle}} I checked. Your issue is that your editor is not providing the article language to Z33068K2; that is, the ''paragraph from sentences'' function has a second argument, and your editor was omitting it. If you properly specify it, it will work. Please, next time, actually tell me what went wrong instead of going quiet and forcing me to look after it myself. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:06, 4 May 2026 (UTC) :I avoid [[f:Z33068]] for now, because executing a whole paragraph in a single call would often time out. So my current alternative is inserting [[f:Z35672]] between sentences. Fairly clunky, but it works... --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 06:08, 28 May 2026 (UTC) ::Can you categorize the talk pages of articles you're doing that with? It has major accessibility concerns for our friends using screen readers, so it'd be nice to be able to find those with issues when were able to fix the calls [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:50, 28 May 2026 (UTC) :::I think the new tool can show us this (via dumps). For example, here are the uses of 'paragraph': https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/zid/Z32123 --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 23:07, 28 May 2026 (UTC) ::::There's more than one way to not use spaces correctly and more than one way to use spaces correctly, this wouldn't catch all of them. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:13, 28 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I'm not totally sure what you want to track, but I'm confident that this will find all my uses. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 02:10, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::::I think it slipped past everyone's notice, but I made a template for linking to that sort of information @ [[Template:Zd|<nowiki>{{</nowiki>zd<nowiki>}}</nowiki>]]. {{zd|Z35672|sentence separator}} <span style="font-size:smaller;opacity:0.8">(I don't think the database dumps have noticed the function you're using yet, so it's a 404 at the moment.)</span> &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 01:09, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Most used fragments == [[:f:Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-02|The latest status update]] lists the most used fragments: "[[:f:Z32123]] with 1452, followed by [[:f:Z27868]] with 736 and [[:f:Z29749]] with 650)". How was this calculated? [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 13:44, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :Again, this should definitely have been on the talk page for that status update. This isn't the everything page, it should be used for discussion relating to the wiki. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:26, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::It's not a question just about the status update, even if it was prompted by it. It's a question about Abstract Wikipedia that can be relevant beyond the status update. ::Stop policing how people use discussion pages without a particularly good reason. If you don't have an answer to the actual question, don't write anything. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 19:38, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::I have to agree with Feeglgeef that this would be better raised on the status update's talk page itself. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 19:42, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::I'm "policing" which discussion pages are being used for the same reason different discussion spaces exist in the first place. And your distinction between "just about" and "prompted by" is irrelevant. If I want to ask someone how they did something, I would ask them first, not go to a general discussion board. This is still the project ''chat'', not a Q&A zone. {{ping|DVrandecic (WMF)|p=,}} can you please answer the question? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:22, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :I have a local script that I have run on a local copy. Nothing more complicated than that. Could also be very wrong -- the script hasn't been peer-reviewed or anything. --[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]] ([[User talk:DVrandecic (WMF)|talk]]) 08:54, 4 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thanks, @[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]]. Can you share the code, please? I'll be happy to review it. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 15:30, 4 May 2026 (UTC) ==Wiktionary integration== I was trying out a few functions recently, such as [https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z27243 the new superlative function], and I noticed that ''every adjective'' has to be a Wikidata item. For example, I couldn't type in the inputs "Bugatti Veyron", "fast", "Earth" because "fast" as an adjective is not a Wikidata item. This doesn't really make sense, given that Wiktionary already has the word for "fast" and its superlative form in many different languages. Would it be possible to integrate Wiktionary into the function, so the user can type an adjective or verb from Wiktionary instead of having to deal with Wikidata (which consists almost entirely of nouns)? [[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] ([[User talk:Somepinkdude|talk]]) 16:49, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :No, sadly. I would try "speed" as the adjective, though, you have to use abstract qualities instead of concrete English terms. [[File:Wikifunctions Superlative speed example.png|thumb|Here's an example of the word being used.]] [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:02, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :Wikidata has standard items as well as lexeme data, so if anything, we should try to integrate those. E.g. [[:d:Lexeme:L1029]]. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 19:48, 6 May 2026 (UTC) ::I tried this, and it gave "Bugatti Veyron is the speedest car on Earth", which is laughably bad. The problem is that Wikidata does not "know" what the superlative form is, while Wiktionary does. Speed is a fairly common descriptor, but what about less common adjectives which aren't on Wikidata? Will there need to be a bot to copy all of this information from Wiktionary? [[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] ([[User talk:Somepinkdude|talk]]) 22:14, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :::I'm not suggesting that the functionality works <em>now</em>, but that we need to integrate the funcationality. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 22:17, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :::Well, no, the superlative form is chosen by [[f:Z12203]]. I think there's a bug with the English implementation that calls that function wrong. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:19, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] I did find the item {{Q|Q19807466}} which was linked to a concept database's entry for "fast"; I have at least linked it to the English lexeme "fast" and will try to add more links at a better hour. [[User:Mahir256|Mahir256]] ([[User talk:Mahir256|talk]]) 04:18, 7 May 2026 (UTC) == Showcase == I was wondering if there's a curated list of decent articles to learn by example here on Abstract Wikipedia? [[User:Fgnievinski|Fgnievinski]] ([[User talk:Fgnievinski|talk]]) 02:02, 8 May 2026 (UTC) :Unfortunately not, and, honestly, I wouldn't recommend article creation at the moment, it's likely to need significant refactoring as the way we represent abstract content changes, but, I can point you to [[Q668]] as a reasonably good example at the moment. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:39, 8 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you. "308 languages" blew my mind – well done! [[User:Fgnievinski|Fgnievinski]] ([[User talk:Fgnievinski|talk]]) 02:54, 8 May 2026 (UTC) :::308 is the number of ''concrete'' Wikipedias in which a manually-written article about India is available. :::The abstract article renders for me in English as "India is a country in Asia. India is a republic. New Delhi is the capital of India. India is the most populous country in world." Switching to another language to get rendered as an abstract article is done by typing the language's name in the box above the rendered text. I tried French, German, and Dutch, and got errors in all of them. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 03:12, 8 May 2026 (UTC) ::::So it goes. The paragraph has quite a lot of distinct sentence generation functions, all of which of course have to be implemented in the target language. This will be rounded out once we're able to more effectively generalize linguistic content. I view these functions as sort of patchy temporary solutions to the sentence generation problem while we figure out something more robust, which I hope is soon to come. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 04:15, 8 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #247 is out: References from Wikidata now available == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-08|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we announce that is now possible to pass references in Wikidata statements, we introduce the [https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/ Abstract Data dashboard], we report you on the presentation about Abstract Wikipedia at WikiCon Australia, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Also, we remind you that if you have questions or ideas to discuss, the next '''Volunteers' Corner''' will be held on '''[https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1778520600 May 11, at 17:30 UTC]''' ([https://meet.google.com/xuy-njxh-rkw link to the meeting]). Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 11:16, 8 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30325620 --> == about the usage of Z33068 == The use of [[f:Z33068]] (en: paragraph from sentences) <s>always</s> most of the time results in the error "Reached time limit in orchestrator." So should it be used at all for now, temporarily? Or maybe there are already some tickets about this that I am not aware of? -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 18:23, 10 May 2026 (UTC) :It previously worked, so I'm hoping whatever the issue is will be fixed soon. The current state of the wiki makes [[m:Immediatism|immediatism]] an illogical philosophy to have at the moment, in my opinion. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:16, 10 May 2026 (UTC) ::This issue seems to no longer exist, you might need to clear the cache by making a dummy edit on affected articles. I implemented the function in Python (instead of composition), which has increased the speed by about 2000 ms. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 04:31, 11 May 2026 (UTC) :::Seems like working. Thank you. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 19:06, 11 May 2026 (UTC) == Manual of Style == I've created a [[Abstract Wikipedia:Manual of Style|draft for a Manual of Style]]. Please feel free to comment on or make bold edits to the page. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:29, 11 May 2026 (UTC) :Thank you! That’s great and I’ll look at it more soon. I’m still taking a bit of a wikibreak. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:32, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :Is there anything I've written [[f:User:Theki/best_practices#Abstract_Wikipedia|here]] that you think would make for a good technical section of the page? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 00:04, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::I've added some of them. Thank you for your list of best practices by the way, I generally agree with them (I can't endorse connecting WD items currently in hope of a better technical solution, but otherwise I do). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 00:58, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Proposals on the architecture of Abstract Content rendering == Starting from a discussion born on the Wikifunctions Telegram chat, I've explained two different proposals on how the NLG on Abstract Wikipedia should be organized in the page [[User:Dv103/Abstract articles architectures]]. Please come to contribute to the discussion, or to propose alternatives. [[User:Dv103|Dv103]] ([[User talk:Dv103|talk]]) 14:32, 11 May 2026 (UTC) == [[MediaWiki:Wikimedia-copyright-footer]] == The copyright message has a few issues, mainly that it does not address abstract content (which is not "text"), nor object labels (which are under CC0). Proposed text: "<nowiki> Text and abstract content are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License]; the labels of objects from [[f:|Wikifunctions]] are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ Creative Commons CC0 License]; additional terms may apply. See [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Terms_of_Use Terms of Use] for details. </nowiki>" Which, when rendered, looks like: Text and abstract content are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License]; the labels of objects from [[f:|Wikifunctions]] are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ Creative Commons CC0 License]; additional terms may apply. See [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Terms_of_Use Terms of Use] for details. The message is somewhat inspired by the current one and WF's. Thoughts? Thank you! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:30, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: As you probably imagine, this text is very tightly controlled by the Wikimedia Foundation's Legal department. I think the first port of call should be a discussion about why you might want to change things, rather than a rush to specific re-wordings, before approaching them for sign-off. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 14:28, 12 May 2026 (UTC) ::Well I briefly summarized my justification, my proposed text was just an idea for a starting point. Basically, the abstract content is not really "text", so the footer doesn't actually tell the reader what they're allowed to do with it, and I argue that the current wording implies that the labels are licensed under CC-BY-SA 4, when they aren't. I think a change is critical as otherwise we're not showing the reader a license, or, arguably, in the case of labels, showing users a license that ''does not apply'', which is a pretty bad thing. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:51, 12 May 2026 (UTC) == [[MediaWiki:AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions.json]] == I'd think we should add [[f:Z33068]] here. The function allows you to form a paragraph out of sentences and handles languages having different standards of whether to add a space between them, and adding it here would make finding it easier. I'm not sure what policy we want to have for the suggested functions, this idea might help formulate it. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:06, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :[[User:Jdforrester (WMF)]] tells me the page has been changed to [[Special:CommunityConfiguration/AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions]] on the telegram. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:25, 12 May 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: Yup, see the weekly update on [[f:Wikifunctions:Status_updates/2026-05-02|2026-05-02]]. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 16:35, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :I also believe Z33068 should be added to the list. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:25, 12 May 2026 (UTC) {{done}} see [[Special:Diff/7692]]. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 09:08, 20 May 2026 (UTC) == Abstract Wikipedia statistics site source code == https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/ is a very useful tool, but it doesn't seem to have anything pointing to the location of its source code. Is it closed-source or unfree? While I'm at it I feel I should suggest having language pages' paths formatted differently from how they are currently—at the moment it's <code>/languages/Toki%20Pona</code> when something like <code>/languages/tok</code> would be more suitable. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; : See [[:gitlab:toolforge-repos/abstract-data]]. Also pinging {{ping|DSantamaria-WMF|p=}} (thanks for the tool, by the way). [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 00:25, 13 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you. I think a link to that repository should be put in a footer somewhere on the website as I wouldn't have found that if not for you. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 02:30, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::{{ping|Theki}} For the record, I found that repo by searching for "abstract-data" on [[:toolhub:|Toolhub]]. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 03:34, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::Thanks for the feedback and the report, fixed both things, we have now the link to the repo in the side bar footer, and also the language codes are used in the URLs. Thanks! [[User:DSantamaria-WMF|DSantamaria-WMF]] ([[User talk:DSantamaria-WMF|talk]]) 11:46, 13 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Are you particularly attached to keeping country flag emojis next to the language names? Some consider it an [https://flagsarenotlanguages.com/blog anti-pattern]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 16:17, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I think the use of flags is not really harmful since this is not a ''language selector'', it is just a list of languages. Of course not every language has an associated flag, for example Latin, which does look a bit awkward, but it can't be helped. Maybe give languages without a flag a unique icon from Wikimedia Commons? e.g. <div style="display:inline-flex;align-items:center;border:1px solid #0002;border-radius:4px;gap:4px;padding:4px;">[[File:Toki pona.svg|16px]] Toki Pona</div> instead of <div style="display:inline-flex;align-items:center;border:1px solid #0002;border-radius:4px;gap:4px;padding:4px;"><span>🌐</span>Toki Pona</div>. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 16:37, 14 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::I thought I saw 🏛️ being used for Latin earlier. But of course, as far as the Unicode Consortium is concerned, [[Q65300415|🇬🇧]] doesn't mean '[[Q1680|English]]', no more than [[Q100587670|🏳️‍🌈]] means '[[Q1359130|Polari]]'; technically, it doesn't even mean '[[Q145|United Kingdom]]', just the letters 🇺 and 🇰 next to each other (which linguistically would indicate [[Q8798|Ukrainian]] in ISO 639, but these are 'regional indicator symbols'). [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 17:21, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::As seems (from this comment and also [[f:User_talk:DSantamaria-WMF#c-%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4-20260513063700-Country_flags_in_abstract-data|others' comments]]) that flags are a little bit controversial, I just removed them, IMHO it was just an aesthetic concept, I like the look and feel that flags bring to the language labels, but happy to remove them if make some people feel uncomfortable with the concept. [[User:DSantamaria-WMF|DSantamaria-WMF]] ([[User talk:DSantamaria-WMF|talk]]) 05:54, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Make it more user Friendly == Make it more user-friendly by adding drag-and-drop compenots and one click additions, and make it similar to a visual macro buidler. [[User:ChippyTechGH|ChippyTechGH]] ([[User talk:ChippyTechGH|talk]]) 01:00, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :Could you file something like this on [[phab:|phabricator]]? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:01, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Person infoboxes == Hi all, I've just created [[f:Z35167|infobox for person (Z35167)]]. All it can really do presently is display the name of the person in the chosen language and in the person's native language, but it's a good start. I started writing it as a composition but chose to switch to writing it in JavaScript instead, which ended up being less headache-inducing (managing a large list of strings to concatenate together is not fun, plus compositions bring lots of additional overhead). Unfortunately, this means that the actual ''useful'' parts of the infobox—the information about the person themself—is not really doable. I'd need to dereference the Wikidata property references to get their label in the requested language, but since they're references and I'm working with code, not compositions, I can't just call [[f:Z6822|fetch Wikidata property (Z6822)]] and be done with it. If there's a WikiLambda API to do this inside of the JS itself that would be great and would solve everything, but at the moment that alone is what's holding it back, or so it seems. I can get the actual ''values'' of statements just fine, though. If I am missing some amazing WikiLambda API function that will solve this problem for me by letting me dereference the PID, then please let me know because that would be great. If you want to look at an example of the infobox right meow, you can view [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/tok/Q317521 Q317521 in Toki Pona] and see how it states Musk's name in both Toki Pona ''and'' his native English name. COOL! My hope is that this can be made less barebones in the near future. Infoboxes are a great way to get quick information on a subject and can fill in the informational gaps in the presently sparse articles we have at the moment, all while staying in the user's requested language. Feedback is appreciated! &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 02:58, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :Thank you for this! I wonder if perhaps it would be better to create one "infobox" function and then have compositions call that, making wd retrival possible? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:38, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::Working on that at the moment, I think I've got it working but I'm hitting a ratelimit in the orchestrator so I don't know for sure. The main issue with it now is that the actual [[f:Z35175|infobox template (Z35175)]] wrapper was programmed in JS so as to not be a pain in the ass, so this means that it can only take in strings, HTML fragments, etc. so the retrieval of Wikidata stuff still needs to be done by the caller and is rather verbose (see [[f:Z35168|the main implementation]]). The niceties will come soon later once I know that it all works at a lower level, though. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 05:04, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::So the problem now seems to be that when [[f:Z29825|label of Wikidata property in language (Z29825)]] isn't being faulty, it's being incredibly slow. Considering retrieving Wikidata items from their references seems to take, like, four to five seconds, and we'll have tens of statements in these infoboxes, I don't see how the property names could be retrieved in a way that doesn't cause the orchestrator to time out or hit a ratelimit. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 06:01, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::I think I figured something out? I'm just going to try calling [[f:Z35036|fetch Wikidata property or parts (Z35036)]], it seems to be much faster for whatever reason. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 06:05, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::It works now, a little rough around the edges, also very slow, but I think I'm mostly happy with it. Of course it would be great if all you needed to provide to the template function to get a label-statement row was the property reference itself, but I'm too sleep-deprived to figure that out at the moment. I made five bespoke functions specifically for this infobox, more than I would like, but it's probably not ''that'' bad. I'm just hoping I didn't duplicate any functionality in trying to make the composition less verbose and repetitive. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 07:15, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #248 is out: A higher meaning == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-15|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we discuss functions creating language fragments, we present our latest news in Types, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 14:36, 15 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30536976 --> == Translations == Yes, this question is probably easily answerable through a Web search, but I thought I'd ask here anyways. I am unfortunately not bilingual... I know Toki Pona, but it's a constructed language. I'd love to be a polyglot of some sorts but that is a future thing. I've been trying to translate pages into tok, for funsies mostly. At any rate, I want to convert some of the un-translated pages, namely Feeglgeef's policy drafts, into ones that can be translated (and then translate them into Toki Pona of course). I think I have to be a translation administrator for this? Which is a process that I'd have to ''apply'' for, and I doubt I have the credentials to be accepted for such a role. Regardless, is there a way I can go about this without having to do it through someone else? I can probably easily find documentation on marking pages for translation but I don't know how much I'm actually capable of doing as just a regular user. Should I apply? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 14:15, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :Most of the process of preparing a page for translation can be done by any editor. See [[:mw:Help:Extension:Translate/Page translation example]]. :The step of marking a page or translation for the first time or after changes must be done by a translation administrator. :I recommend learning the <nowiki><translate> and <tvar></nowiki> syntax and using it on a few pages before applying for this permission. After you do it on a few pages, and you feel confident, and you want to do it more, you can ask for the permission. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 14:28, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::Just to confirm, did I mark up [[Special:Diff/8138|this page]] for translation properly? I thought to give the hatnote its own <code>&lt;translate&gt;</code> enclosure so as to exclude the indent and italicization from needing to be included in the translatable text. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:10, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::Mostly properly, but don't exclude <code><nowiki>''</nowiki></code> for italics from translation. It's generally a good idea to exclude complex markup from translation because it's hard for many people to type, and it usually stays the same in translation anyway. <code><nowiki>''</nowiki></code> for italics is different, however: it's very simple to type and familiar to most editors; italic letters are used differently in different languages, and in some languages they aren't used at all, so translators need the freedom to use them appropriately; this markup can also appear in the middle of a translation unit and not only in the ends. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 15:35, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Thank you for the guidance. Should the italics be included if they are used over the entire hatnote? I figure that placement of italics should be left up to the discretion of the translators, but the hatnote itself is meant to be entirely italicized, I would think irrespective of the language it's in. Is this the right idea or should they still be kept within the translation unit? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:45, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::::Yes, italics should be included in the translation unit if they are used over the entire hatnote. Some languages don't use italic writing at all, so it shouldn't be forced. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:36, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :I'd support a translation administrator request ;), for reasons below. I'm not sure why we need a seperate translation administrator right, or why we have to call it an "administrator" (deciding that a page could be translated is a much less important role than, say, page deletion, or blocking). We picked three of them (well, one of them went through the WMF, so we picked two), [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=pagetranslation&user=&page=&excludetempacct=1&wpdate=&tagfilter=&wpfilters%5B%5D=newusers&wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist they don't appear very active, though], only marking 9 times this month, zero (0) of which were for pages marked for the first time. Both community translation admins used their global history and rights to get the role and only stop by occasionally, so having one who ''actually'' edits here would be nice. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:06, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::This reply echos my philosophy of a sort of wiki-[[Q166005|xenophobia]] (the term xenophobia is probably too harsh, and I wouldn't consider myself one in real life, but it's the best word I can think of), I generally distrust users with a lot of global rights (both global sysop etc. and large amounts of local rights) who come make [[m:Metapedianism|metapedian]] contributions, not as people but to their ability to handle Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia as incredibly unique and technically complex projects. I apologize if it my opinions come off as rude or ungrateful, I do appreciate the work of our translation administrators. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:26, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::You don't bother me, it's fine. I think they definitely have a place, they can be useful and they usually are. Obviously local admins and what have you that earned their roles through the trust and reputation of the specific community they are in are going to occupy a more trusting position in my mind than a global sysop or global ''anything''. Specialized role members are good and healthy in the long term; I think we are giving these privileges to global users sparingly as the project is still in its infancy and as core contributors emerge and take up key positions we will have a more well-rounded and self-sustaining community with less global privileges needed to take up certain tasks. Wikifunctions probably needed some Foundation members or other staff to act as functioneers initially while the general community was still orienting themselves with WikiLambda and working on applying for the role, but now we have [[f:Special:ListUsers/functioneer|74(!) of them]] and the number of normal members using their specialized skills outnumbers those who were "grandfathered" in (for lack of a better term) or similar. The wiki is young—it just needs time. I myself have been considering applying for sysop privileges since they are obviously needed (there being exactly Zero of them at the moment); I've been weighing the pros and cons of such a commitment, it's obviously a lot to take up. I wish your sysop request went through, I think you would have made a great admin here. I'm unsure of what others think of my capabilities, I'm rather in-and-out around these social spaces so I don't know if there's much to go off of. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:55, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Totally agree, and I'd support a sysopship request as well, though I'm apparently not good at assessing what the community considers supportable in admin candidate ;). ::::Off-topic, but interestingly, the sysop toolset allows you to grant yourself translation adminship. I'm not sure if sysops are expected not to grant themselves the permissions (kind of like how on enwiki 'crats are expected not grant themselves any rights without discussion despite having the technical rights), but I did it to myself on WF because [https://www.wikifunctions.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=84940 another sysop had]. Additionally, the functioneer right [[Special:ListGroupRights#functioneer|exists on this wiki]], with the same rights on WF, despite all of them not doing anything on this wiki. I believe this is because, on the technical side, both AW and WF are powered by the same MediaWiki extension (Wikilambda), with one wiki set to a mode for abstract articles and another set to a mode for ZObjects. [https://dag.wikipedia.org/wiki/Di%C5%8B%27gahim:ListGroupRights#functioneer Checking the Dagbani Wikipedia] supports this theory. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:00, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::::It always depends on the local policy. For Wikifunctions it is: ''Administrators do not need to undergo another discussion to become translation administrators; they can self-grant the rights to their account if necessary. Temporary administrators are not allowed to self-grant permanent translation administrator rights.'' :::::The availability of the functioneer right is a bug, see [[phab:T407066]]. --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 19:36, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::If you don't consider yourself a xenophobe in real life, I would recommend not calling yourself that here, or anywhere really. Especially since it was the ideological capture during the 2010s of the Croatian-language Wikipedia [[w:hr:]] by actual xenophobes that was part of the impetus for Abstract Wikipedia according to [https://simia.net/wiki/Draft:_Collaborating_on_the_sum_of_all_knowledge_across_languages#A_look_on_some_south_Slavic_language_Wikipedias Denny's blog]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 22:10, 26 May 2026 (UTC) == Policy drafts == Hi all! I've written some draft policies and guidelines over the last few days. We're not a bureaucracy, so the point is not to set some rules but to kick off some discussions as to how our wiki will work. So far, I've created: * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability|a notability guideline]] * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy|a deletion policy]] I've written them as my opinion on what should happen, but I'm hoping to align them with community consensus as we discuss them more. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:44, 21 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #249 is out: Annual plan 2026-2027 == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-23|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we present you the current draft of objectives for Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia in the WMF Annual Plan 2026-2027, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 09:48, 25 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30536976 --> == To abstract Wikipedia or be the Abstract Wikipedia == There is a discussion happening about what the [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability|notability criteria]] for Abstract Wikipedia should be, and in trying to participate I've found my idea of Abstract Wikipedia is awfully abstract. Is Abstract Wikipedia supposed to abstract Wikipedia, as in abstracting information from existing articles on the language Wikipedias (barring new contributions), or is it supposed to become the Abstract Wikipedia, supporting collaboration across all languages like it's the language Wikipedia to end all language Wikipedias (allowing new contributions)? I thought the answer would be obvious, but the name Abstract Wikipedia is a bit ambiguous. Am I missing something? [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 02:16, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :I think ({{ping|DVrandecic (WMF)|p=?}}) the idea is (and I personally prefer) the latter. I believe that, given the fact that it's much easier to write a concrete article than an abstract article, and the fact that the community of potential future contributors on enwiki is skeptical ''at best'', we ultimately will never expand beyond the size of other wikis, but I see no problem with allowing volunteers to add information not on other wikis (it's probably not the most effective, but they're volunteers, beggars can't be choosers), as long as it's not vandalism, useless, or promotional slop. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:31, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] Abstract Wikipedia is a Wikipedia, where people can collaborate across languages on articles, which can then be used to fill gaps in the existing Wikipedias. Whereas I expect that current Wikipedia articles might be used as a convenient starting point for many of the articles in Abstract Wikipedia, this is more a consequence of Wikipedia being one of the best places to go to to find reliable knowledge, but that is not part of how it is supposed to work. So, this is not to abstract the existing Wikipedias, but to collaborate on an Abstract Wikipedia. At no point is this meant to replace existing Wikipedias. (Thanks to @[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] for the ping!) --[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]] ([[User talk:DVrandecic (WMF)|talk]]) 17:01, 27 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you, this makes a lot more sense now. [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 21:52, 27 May 2026 (UTC) == template suggestion == Some way to mock abstract syntax on talk and project pages, analogous to those in [[d:category:format Template]]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 15:21, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :Hmm. I agree. :Workshopping ideas for how it works: :* Invokation: <nowiki>{{Call|Z26039|{"Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1"}|{"Z1K1": "Z6091", "Z6091K1": "Q634"}|{"Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1"}|lang=en}}</nowiki> :** This could then be suplemented by helper templates: <nowiki>{{Call|Z26039|{{Wikidata item argument reference}}|{{Wikidata item reference|Q634}}|{{Language argument reference}}}}</nowiki> :* This would result in "[[f:Z26039|subject is instance of (string)]] (wikidata item reference, [[d:Q634|planet]], language)" :** Icons are missing in this example, I'm not sure if we can actually add them :Thoughts? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:04, 27 May 2026 (UTC) == Marking NLG Default text == Some NLG functions give default texts, like [[f:Z33420|Z33420]] will give text like "Paris ∈ {city}". sometimes in other languages the English text is show. Currently there is no visual clue that these texts are not normal text in the requested language. I propose we mark these text with color <span style="color:magenta;">Paris ∈ {city}</span> with something like <nowiki><span style="color:magenta;">Paris ∈ {city}</span></nowiki>. To have this configurable/maintainable this could be included in a function, called NLG default text or so, with a text as input an a text in color as output. The exact formatting like magenta color or gray background or something else can be discussed/decided later. To have it even more configurable on personal stylesheets it could use a class like <nowiki><span class="NLG Default text">Paris ∈ {city}</span></nowiki>. What do you think? Could somebody make such a function already? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 12:00, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :The are technically just monolingual texts in a language called "multiple languages". I threw a prototype together really quickly, [[f:Z35839]]. It will accept strings, monolingual texts, and html fragments as input, so you have to select which type you want. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:59, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::OK, thanks, I added it to [[f:Z26039]] and works as expected, see [https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Z26039?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z26039%22%2C%22Z26039K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q64%22%7D%2C%22Z26039K2%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q515%22%7D%2C%22Z26039K3%22%3A%22Z1555%22%7D here]. The test for the function with default text now fails because it now is in magenta color. That was to be expected. I will leave the tests unchanged if that is OK with you, as we might need to change the exact formatting. ::Is it OK to add this to other NLG functions that produce default output? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 15:59, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :::Sure, [[w:en:WP:Be bold|be bold]]! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:50, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Feeglgeef, I am struggling with the output. Can you have a look? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 17:02, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::::Can you link me to where? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:08, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::{{Q|90}} in a language vls should give a magenta text. Instead it gives "Wikifunctions returned a failed response: Unspecified error". [[f:Z33422]] results "<span style="color: magenta;">Parys ∈ {stad}</span>" (as a string). [[f:Z26039]] also gives "<span style="color: magenta;">Parys ∈ {stad}</span>", but it's test [[f:Z33726]] gives an HTML equivalent, not a string. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 17:59, 30 May 2026 (UTC) == Ratification of the deletion policy proposal? == I haven't seen any unresolved objections to my proposal for a [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy|policy for deletion]]. Does anybody have any issues, and, if not, is it ok to ratify as an actual policy? I intend to remove the draft template and replace it with a policy template unless anyone voices any objection within a week. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:55, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :Is it just me or does [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Reasons for deletion]] render blank with only number bullets without the actual text after ''1.'' or ''2.''? [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 07:13, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::I see text. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 07:49, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::I can see on my phone, but it goes blank on my laptop. What is the role of ''<nowiki><span class="anchor" id="1"></nowiki>''? [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 12:15, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::::{{ping|Bunnypranav}} I can see the text everywhere (I tested connected and not connected, on my phone, laptop, with Chrome or Firefox ; what system do you use?). As the name suggest, the span anchor is here to create an HTML anchor, so you can do link like [[Abstract_Wikipedia:Deletion_policy#7]]. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 13:49, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I'm on Brave browser. Nevertheless, forget it. The culprit might be some random customization I did to my system which I cannot recollect. The reason is the span tag only though, tried a preview kicking out a text to just outside the tag and it worked. [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 14:23, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :Globally, it looks fine. I think that reasons 7 and 8 may need some examples/clarifications. There is no global consensus when it comes to creating categories. For example, categories for building interiors and exteriors. Personally, I feel that they are useful for easier discoverability. [[User:Jsamwrites|John Samuel]] ([[User:Jsamwrites|talk]]) 15:39, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::I've copied them over from enwiki. They're probably included in "content otherwise not suited for an encyclopedia." Since sysops can't speedy them, it'd be up to commenters on [[Abstract:RFD]] to determine. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:48, 30 May 2026 (UTC) 64l9ipthxj13brjahulzg16wj6ie0z7 9228 9227 2026-05-30T18:54:04Z Feeglgeef 36 /* Marking NLG Default text */ Reply 9228 wikitext text/x-wiki {{#ifexist:Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat/Header/{{USERLANGUAGE}}|{{/Header/{{USERLANGUAGE}}}}|{{/Header}}}} {{/Archives}} <!-- Add your discussion below this line --> == Why don't we just structure this with wikitemplates? == I feel like the project could be done a lot better by using templates kind of like how wikipedia does them. Just the entire thing is templates that can be rendered in many languages. So like [[Q106289265]] would have the content <nowiki>{{Z26039|Q7257}}</nowiki> and could even have some aliasing done across languages so it could be <nowiki>{{subject is|Q7257}}</nowiki>. Code would be editable with a regular visual editor or code editor. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 04:34, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :This is available in pages when Parsoid rendering is enabled. We don't use this becuase it doesn't make sense for constructing and editing massive articles. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:37, 29 March 2026 (UTC) ::How do you do parsoid rendering? And why wouldn't it make sense? With aliases and everything could work great. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:12, 29 March 2026 (UTC) :::I believe it is enabled by default. If you do have it on: {{#function:Z10000|you'll s|ee this}} [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:54, 30 March 2026 (UTC) :you may be interested in reading this old [[m:Abstract_Wikipedia/Google.org_Fellows_evaluation|Google report]]. [[User:BrokenSegue|BrokenSegue]] ([[User talk:BrokenSegue|talk]]) 14:32, 9 May 2026 (UTC) == Why the editing API doesn't work == {{tracked|T423542}} Immanuelle wrongly stated that there is no REST API for editing. [[#REST API for editing?|There is]]. However, it does not work when called from software outside Abstract Wikipedia. That is because there is no way to grant a bot password or OAuth customer the permission to edit abstract articles (<code>wikilambda-abstract-edit</code>) and create them (<code>wikilambda-abstract-create</code>), since no grant on [[Special:ListGrants]] includes either. Should this be fixed? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 01:57, 26 April 2026 (UTC) :Yes I think the rights should be added. I think the number of automated edits should be low at the moment as Abstract Wikipedia is still in an early phase and so far there is not much support for small languages and so many functions will maybe change to cover more languages. As automatic editing using a Bot Account requires an formal request it is no problem if the option exists. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 18:17, 26 April 2026 (UTC) :Sounds good to me. Could we add a bot section to [[Abstract Wikipedia:Requests for permissions]]? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:35, 5 May 2026 (UTC) ::[[Abstract_Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions#Bot]] ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 23:56, 5 May 2026 (UTC) == Q884 == The page [[Q884]] has inaccurate statements about the head of government and the head of state of South Korea. Part of what it returns in English is "Lee Ju-ho is the head of government of South Korea.Park Geun-hye is the head of state of South Korea." However, neither Lee Ju-ho nor Park Geun-hye currently have their respective roles mentioned here. How should these statements be turned into ones using the past tense? [[User:Intolerable situation|Intolerable situation]] ([[User talk:Intolerable situation|talk]]) 14:44, 30 April 2026 (UTC) :not currently possible :((((( [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:46, 30 April 2026 (UTC) :Feeglgeef is correct, past tense sentence generation is something we are sorely lacking at the moment. If you look at [[f:WF:Type proposals#Representing abstract content|Wikifunctions' type proposals]] you can see some initiatives that could hopefully mitigate this. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 13:49, 1 May 2026 (UTC) == Abstract Wikipedia should use a different mw-wiki-logo than Wikipedia for Vector 2010 skin == {{Tracked|T424781}} Hello friends. I've been asked to start a community conversation about this. I'd like to propose that Abstract Wikipedia create its own logo, so that folks visiting this wiki don't get it mixed up with Wikipedia. Even though this project is under the Wikipedia domain, I think it's pretty unique and it'd make sense to make sure it doesn't get mixed up with enwiki or other Wikipedias by newbies googling for Wikipedia articles. Thoughts? Thanks. [[User:Novem Linguae|Novem Linguae]] ([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]]) 12:02, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :Isn't there already one? Are we talking about a logo in a different context? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 12:25, 1 May 2026 (UTC) ::Looks like this is just for the Vector 2010 skin. [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia:Main_page?useskin=vector Example.] I'll edit this section and the ticket to clarify that. [[User:Novem Linguae|Novem Linguae]] ([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]]) 12:28, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :::Ah, thank you, I'd {{s}} this then. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 12:31, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :This has been raised before above in [[#Logo]], the same problem appears on Monobook. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 13:45, 1 May 2026 (UTC) ::Would you support using [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/static/images/mobile/copyright/abstractwiki-wordmark.svg the Vector 2022 logo] on Vector 2010 and Monobook? That'd be a simple technical solution. [[User:Novem Linguae|Novem Linguae]] ([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]]) 14:02, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :::Yes, I see no issue with using that for the moment. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 14:04, 1 May 2026 (UTC) == What would it take for AW to catch up to (English) Reasonator? Porting over functions? == The Wikidata tool [https://reasonator.toolforge.org Reasonator] already automatically creates several sentences in English describing human Wikidata items using [https://codeberg.org/magnusmanske/reasonator/commit/b506362c3c2e90b32de32708ec668eee49603cb0 auto_long_desc.js] under [https://codeberg.org/magnusmanske/reasonator/src/commit/a6ee9095c3accfb67845caf438ce83c98c19e38e/LICENSE a GPL 2.0 free software license] without using any large language model or other AI. Abstract Wikipedia, on the other hand, requires [[Help:How to create an article/en|a several step process just to create a lead sentence]]. Does Resonator have functions in [https://codeberg.org/magnusmanske/reasonator/src/commit/a6ee9095c3accfb67845caf438ce83c98c19e38e/public_html/auto_long_desc.js#L406 the English section of auto_long_desc.js] that Wikifunctions doesn't have at the moment? Is that what's preventing Abstract Wikipedia from auto-generating substantial text (at least in English) based off of Wikidata like Resonator does? Below is [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?q=Q1339&lang=en an example of what Resonator can generate from Wikidata] without needing human edits the way Abstract Wikipedia does. (Though I omitted some children for the sake of brevity.) <blockquote> '''Johann Sebastian Bach''' was a [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=696651 Saxe-Eisenach]-[https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=12548 Holy Roman Empire]-[https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=183 German] [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=36834 composer], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=765778 organist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=5371902 harpsichordist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=1259917 violinist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=899758 violist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=158852 conductor], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=1076502 choir director], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=691031 concertmaster], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=14915627 musicologist], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=16145150 music educator], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=214970 virtuoso], and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=2251335 school teacher]. He was born on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1685-03-21 March 21, 1685] in [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=7070 Eisenach] to [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=309470 Johann Ambrosius Bach] and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=66671 Maria Elisabeth Lämmerhirt]. He studied at [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=1930161 St. Michael's School] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1702-04 April 1702]. His field of work included [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=8361 Baroque music] and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=9730 classical music]. He was [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=215793 chapelmaster] from [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1717-12 December 1717] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1723-04 April 1723] and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=641457 Thomaskantor] from [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1723 1723] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1750 1750]. He worked for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=117540 Collegium Musicum], for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=1230608 Saint Blaise], for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=61689 Leopold, Prince of Anhalt-Köthen], for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=61972 Johann Ernst III, Duke of Saxe-Weimar] from [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1703-01 January 1703] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1703-08 August 1703], for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=699668 Thomasschule zu Leipzig], and for [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=798194 Bachkirche Arnstadt] from [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1703-08 August 1703] until [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1707 1707]. He married [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=57487 Maria Barbara Bach] on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1707-10-17 October 17, 1707] (married until on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1720-07-07 July 7, 1720] ) and [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=57212 Anna Magdalena Bach] on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1721-12-03 December 3, 1721] (married until on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1750-07-28 July 28, 1750] ). His children include [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=15079141 Catharina Dorothea Bach], [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=107277 Wilhelm Friedemann Bach], […] He died of [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=12202 stroke] on [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?date=1750-07-28 July 28, 1750] in [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=2079 Leipzig]. He was buried at [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/?&q=170402 St. Thomas Church]. </blockquote> [[User:Lovelano|Lovelano]] ([[User talk:Lovelano|talk]]) 18:41, 1 May 2026 (UTC) == Project scope == Might be a stupid question but what articles are/will be allowed on Abstract Wikipedia? How far is it meant to expand? The language Wikipedias have some differing policies, so might not be as simple as copying those. Personally I find the idea of creating an article for any and every Wikidata item really cool and a good ''baseline'' for what can have an article, but wouldn't ~120 million abstract articles become unwieldy? If the only requirement is that the article topic has a Wikidata item, then there are many interesting possibilities; one could write about individual dates, Wikidata test items, even Wikimedia disambiguation pages. Have not found where this is explained, if anywhere. This may be up to common sense, but trouble is, couldn't one create an encyclopedically meaningful article on just about anything? Pretty important policy not to have if it's undecided, though is not a problem at the moment. Just wondering. [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 23:36, 1 May 2026 (UTC) :This isn't a stupid question and I don't think this is entirely settled. Have you seen [[Abstract Wikipedia:About]]? [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 23:57, 1 May 2026 (UTC) ::Ah, I forgot about that page. So it is meant to abstract information from existing Wikipedia articles? Makes sense, though it still raises the question of creating new articles. [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 00:41, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::At this juncture, I don't think anyone has in mind drafting anything new here as such: this is just responding to existing Wikidata items and the possibility of new Wikipedia articles drafted from them, using Wikifunctions. [[User:Koavf|Koavf]] ([[User talk:Koavf|talk]]) 00:51, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :I don't think we ever get any article an existing wiki does not have. Even if abstract content creation gets as fast as reasonably possible, it will never beat out typing text, so we will never catch up with, say, enwiki or eswiki. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:10, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::It's also a question of policy. There are topics about which things could be said, but which wouldn't meet the baseline notability or other criteria of the big monolingual wikis. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:22, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::This is true, if we keep [[d:]]'s notability policy (which seems like the most natural one) then there are many subjects that we theoretically can talk about that don't meet the [[w:WP:GNG|GNG]] and similar guidelines. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:25, 2 May 2026 (UTC) == How many articles in how many languages are actually fully available without errors == This is a response to the call in [[:f:Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-02]]. The most important thing to count is already listed there: '''How many articles in how many languages are actually fully available without errors?''' It should be not just a count, but a list: I want to see which articles are readable in which languages; which articles are readable in some languages, but not others (which ones?); which articles are not readable in any language; etc. An even more relevant, but much harder to measure thing is how many of those articles are actually more useful than not having an article at all. There is no article about Boston in many languages, but [[Q100]], which currently says "Boston is the capital of Massachusetts.Boston is the largest city of Massachusetts." is not significantly more useful than nothing at all even if it's fully rendered in another language in which there is no concrete article about it. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 12:12, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :Perhaps this should have been on the talk page of that status update instead of the project chat? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:25, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::The status update is about two projects and so I can understand if there are comments here. What do you think about creating a status update overview page with links to the status updates in Abstract Wikipedia to offer the possibility to discuss the status updates and especially things related to Abstract Wikipedia there. [[User:Hogü-456|Hogü-456]] ([[User talk:Hogü-456|talk]]) 18:57, 4 May 2026 (UTC) :::I don't think that's necessary. You can just include your abstractwiki (as in, the live wiki, not the project) related comments on the page on [[f:]], or, if for some reason that's not possible, as a reply to the newsletter announcement here. The point is, the project chat is crowded enough with topics as it is, ideally it should be more focussed on general matters of discussion than close-ended enquiries about topics that have their own talk page. I find Amire80's use of a new == heading here to be improper. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:32, 4 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #246 is out: Request for input: what should we count for Abstract Wikipedia == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-02|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we ask you what would be the relevant metrics for Abstract Wikipedia, we discuss our latest news on Composition Language v2, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 12:21, 2 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30325620 --> == Spaces between sentences, another attempt == [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat#Extra spaces between sentences|A month ago]], @[[User:内存溢出的猫|内存溢出的猫]]<ref group="spaces3>According to Google Translate, it's pronounced "Nèicún yìchū de māo". Please correct me if it's wrong. When I write, I want to know how are things that I write pronounced aloud, and very unfortunately, I never learned to read Chinese characters, and even if I did, most English speakers probably didn't. Come to think of it, is there a function that ''reliably'' transliterates Chinese characters?</ref> That discussion doesn't seem to have yielded any fixes or meaningful discussions, at least not that I can see. [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat#Spaces between sentences|Two weeks ago]], I tried to bring up a similar topic, but that discussion somehow got derailed and also didn't yield anything useful. Now, the problem looks differently, but it's still a problem. When I look at [[Q10251]], for example, what I see is four sentences that ''appear'' with ''no'' spaces between them. Not one, not two—none at all. It looks like this: :Plasma is a fundamental state of matter.Plasma is a classical state of matter.A plasma is a gas.A plasma is a matter. Note that I emphasized ''appear'': When I see them rendered on the screen, they have no spaces between them. In the HTML, however, they are represented as four <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>s, and their inline positioning is handled by CSS. This means, for example, that if I copy and paste them, I don't get a long string with no spaces after full stops, but four sentences with a single line break after each full stop: <poem> Plasma is a fundamental state of matter. Plasma is a classical state of matter. A plasma is a gas. A plasma is a matter. </poem> This is not how it is supposed to be done. <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code>s are supposed to be used for block elements and not hacked into appearing as if they are inline (also known as phrasing). Spaces between sentences are supposed to be real characters rather than HTML and CSS tricks, they may be different in different languages, and in some languages they may be nothing at all. I hope that the definition of the problem is clear. <references group="spaces3"></references> [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 12:49, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :Hi, have a look at it [[Special:PermanentLink/7132|now]]. Does this match your expectations? I think it's not rendering right now for whatever reason, but there are other examples of it being done this way that you can see: [[Q241691]]. The article renders properly in both English (spaces between sentences) and Japanese (no spaces at all). : :'''English:''' :<blockquote>Programmed Data Processor is a computer model series by Digital Equipment Corporation. PDP-8 is a Programmed Data Processor.</blockquote> :'''Japanese:''' :<blockquote>PDPシリーズはディジタル・イクイップメント・コーポレーションによるコンピュータ・モデル・シリーズである。PDP-8はPDPシリーズである。</blockquote> : :I have some, err, strong opinions about [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]]'s 「Abstract Wikipedia Editor」 tool, which is the predominant cause for all of these very janky and poorly-laid-out articles that you see. This is not how an article ought to be written on Abstract Wikipedia, and I and other editors are aware of this. If you see these problems, please do fix them! The wiki will be all the better for it. : :In the absence of consensus on such things as these (and awaiting any official policy pages) I have written [[f:User:Theki/best practices]] on my Wikifunctions userpage. You are welcome to read it if you wish. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:20, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::The output of [[Q241691]] looks OK to me in this regard. How was it done? ::[[Q10251]] gives me an error. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:10, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::WikiLambda is doing WikiLambda things. This WASI time limit error happens intermittently on Abstract Wikipedia articles and it usually goes away after a short while. The only thing is that it doesn't really seem like purging these articles does anything to force the orchestrator to retry its evaluation so the article might not render that paragraph until someone comes in and pokes at it by editing it somehow. ::: :::The working article uses the [[f:Z33068|''paragraph from sentences'']] function to lay out its individual sentence content. This function automatically handles converting any and all text-like objects (strings, HTML fragments, and monolingual text) to a consistent form, so sentence fragments can all be supplied verbatim to its list input. When the function is putting the sentences together it defaults to using a single space to separate them, but first checks if the requested language is in the [[f:Z33984|''languages without spaces between sentences'']] list. If it is, it doesn't add spaces at all, and just concatenates the sentences normally. I hope this explanation makes sense. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 18:19, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::::It makes some sense, but earlier, you suggested: "If you see these problems, please do fix them", and I'm not entirely sure how to do it. How would I fix it in [[Q100]], for example? [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 19:41, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::::In this case you would do the following: :::::# At the bottom, click the plus and then 「Add empty fragment」. :::::# Set the function to [[f:Z33068]], as mentioned earlier. :::::# Now go through each sentence fragment, find the innermost sentence-generation function, click on the three dots, and copy it. Do not copy the calls to [[f:Z29749]] or similar, these are not necessary. :::::# Go to the ''paragraph with sentences'' function call and add an element to the list. :::::# Click on the three dots next to the new element, and paste in the earlier sentence fragment. :::::# You can now delete the original fragment and repeat the process in the same list for the one after it. :::::&mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 19:46, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Theki|Theki]] I intend on fixing it, I recently made an attempt but the suggested fixes made problems worse. Do you have any practical suggestions of how to structure the templates? I will try to implement them when I have more time. ::Also your name is very confusing, are you in the process of getting it changed wiki-wide? [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:36, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::Um, are you referring to my signature not matching my wiki username? I have considered for a long time changing it from ''theki'', but I don't feel like putting in the effort when it seems to be perfectly ignorable for most people. The user 「''Rae''」 can't be usurped because they made, like, two or three articles on the Persian Wikipedia two decades ago or something, I don't know. If that weren't the case I would be User:Rae right now but after that failed to go through I just decided to stop bothering. Maybe at some point I'll come up with a username I'm happy with keeping for the foreseeable future but I have other concerns at the moment. :::Could you explain how your attempted fixes 「made problems worse」? Presently I side with Feeglgeef's sentiments and prefer to wait for abstract content to actually be feasible to make on a reasonably descriptive scale (see: the type proposals) before I go around making articles willy-nilly, which is what AWE has been doing—making a bunch of pretty low-quality articles on a massive scale when it probably ''really'' would have been better to, err, hold off on that. :::And I honestly know very little about the actual workings of your editor, I don't really use it nor am I familiar with its template syntax or whatever it may use, so I'm going to look over how it actually works and then get back to you on that. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 23:28, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Using this [[f:Z33068]] made things worse [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 00:44, 3 May 2026 (UTC) :::::That did not go through correctly but I do not think we have a proper thing for it. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 00:45, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::What? Could you elaborate? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 01:00, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::{{ping|Immanuelle}} I checked. Your issue is that your editor is not providing the article language to Z33068K2; that is, the ''paragraph from sentences'' function has a second argument, and your editor was omitting it. If you properly specify it, it will work. Please, next time, actually tell me what went wrong instead of going quiet and forcing me to look after it myself. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:06, 4 May 2026 (UTC) :I avoid [[f:Z33068]] for now, because executing a whole paragraph in a single call would often time out. So my current alternative is inserting [[f:Z35672]] between sentences. Fairly clunky, but it works... --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 06:08, 28 May 2026 (UTC) ::Can you categorize the talk pages of articles you're doing that with? It has major accessibility concerns for our friends using screen readers, so it'd be nice to be able to find those with issues when were able to fix the calls [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:50, 28 May 2026 (UTC) :::I think the new tool can show us this (via dumps). For example, here are the uses of 'paragraph': https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/zid/Z32123 --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 23:07, 28 May 2026 (UTC) ::::There's more than one way to not use spaces correctly and more than one way to use spaces correctly, this wouldn't catch all of them. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:13, 28 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I'm not totally sure what you want to track, but I'm confident that this will find all my uses. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 02:10, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::::I think it slipped past everyone's notice, but I made a template for linking to that sort of information @ [[Template:Zd|<nowiki>{{</nowiki>zd<nowiki>}}</nowiki>]]. {{zd|Z35672|sentence separator}} <span style="font-size:smaller;opacity:0.8">(I don't think the database dumps have noticed the function you're using yet, so it's a 404 at the moment.)</span> &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 01:09, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Most used fragments == [[:f:Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-02|The latest status update]] lists the most used fragments: "[[:f:Z32123]] with 1452, followed by [[:f:Z27868]] with 736 and [[:f:Z29749]] with 650)". How was this calculated? [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 13:44, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :Again, this should definitely have been on the talk page for that status update. This isn't the everything page, it should be used for discussion relating to the wiki. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:26, 2 May 2026 (UTC) ::It's not a question just about the status update, even if it was prompted by it. It's a question about Abstract Wikipedia that can be relevant beyond the status update. ::Stop policing how people use discussion pages without a particularly good reason. If you don't have an answer to the actual question, don't write anything. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 19:38, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::I have to agree with Feeglgeef that this would be better raised on the status update's talk page itself. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 19:42, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :::I'm "policing" which discussion pages are being used for the same reason different discussion spaces exist in the first place. And your distinction between "just about" and "prompted by" is irrelevant. If I want to ask someone how they did something, I would ask them first, not go to a general discussion board. This is still the project ''chat'', not a Q&A zone. {{ping|DVrandecic (WMF)|p=,}} can you please answer the question? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:22, 2 May 2026 (UTC) :I have a local script that I have run on a local copy. Nothing more complicated than that. Could also be very wrong -- the script hasn't been peer-reviewed or anything. --[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]] ([[User talk:DVrandecic (WMF)|talk]]) 08:54, 4 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thanks, @[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]]. Can you share the code, please? I'll be happy to review it. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 15:30, 4 May 2026 (UTC) ==Wiktionary integration== I was trying out a few functions recently, such as [https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z27243 the new superlative function], and I noticed that ''every adjective'' has to be a Wikidata item. For example, I couldn't type in the inputs "Bugatti Veyron", "fast", "Earth" because "fast" as an adjective is not a Wikidata item. This doesn't really make sense, given that Wiktionary already has the word for "fast" and its superlative form in many different languages. Would it be possible to integrate Wiktionary into the function, so the user can type an adjective or verb from Wiktionary instead of having to deal with Wikidata (which consists almost entirely of nouns)? [[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] ([[User talk:Somepinkdude|talk]]) 16:49, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :No, sadly. I would try "speed" as the adjective, though, you have to use abstract qualities instead of concrete English terms. [[File:Wikifunctions Superlative speed example.png|thumb|Here's an example of the word being used.]] [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:02, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :Wikidata has standard items as well as lexeme data, so if anything, we should try to integrate those. E.g. [[:d:Lexeme:L1029]]. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 19:48, 6 May 2026 (UTC) ::I tried this, and it gave "Bugatti Veyron is the speedest car on Earth", which is laughably bad. The problem is that Wikidata does not "know" what the superlative form is, while Wiktionary does. Speed is a fairly common descriptor, but what about less common adjectives which aren't on Wikidata? Will there need to be a bot to copy all of this information from Wiktionary? [[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] ([[User talk:Somepinkdude|talk]]) 22:14, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :::I'm not suggesting that the functionality works <em>now</em>, but that we need to integrate the funcationality. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 22:17, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :::Well, no, the superlative form is chosen by [[f:Z12203]]. I think there's a bug with the English implementation that calls that function wrong. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:19, 6 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Somepinkdude|Somepinkdude]] I did find the item {{Q|Q19807466}} which was linked to a concept database's entry for "fast"; I have at least linked it to the English lexeme "fast" and will try to add more links at a better hour. [[User:Mahir256|Mahir256]] ([[User talk:Mahir256|talk]]) 04:18, 7 May 2026 (UTC) == Showcase == I was wondering if there's a curated list of decent articles to learn by example here on Abstract Wikipedia? [[User:Fgnievinski|Fgnievinski]] ([[User talk:Fgnievinski|talk]]) 02:02, 8 May 2026 (UTC) :Unfortunately not, and, honestly, I wouldn't recommend article creation at the moment, it's likely to need significant refactoring as the way we represent abstract content changes, but, I can point you to [[Q668]] as a reasonably good example at the moment. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:39, 8 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you. "308 languages" blew my mind – well done! [[User:Fgnievinski|Fgnievinski]] ([[User talk:Fgnievinski|talk]]) 02:54, 8 May 2026 (UTC) :::308 is the number of ''concrete'' Wikipedias in which a manually-written article about India is available. :::The abstract article renders for me in English as "India is a country in Asia. India is a republic. New Delhi is the capital of India. India is the most populous country in world." Switching to another language to get rendered as an abstract article is done by typing the language's name in the box above the rendered text. I tried French, German, and Dutch, and got errors in all of them. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 03:12, 8 May 2026 (UTC) ::::So it goes. The paragraph has quite a lot of distinct sentence generation functions, all of which of course have to be implemented in the target language. This will be rounded out once we're able to more effectively generalize linguistic content. I view these functions as sort of patchy temporary solutions to the sentence generation problem while we figure out something more robust, which I hope is soon to come. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 04:15, 8 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #247 is out: References from Wikidata now available == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-08|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we announce that is now possible to pass references in Wikidata statements, we introduce the [https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/ Abstract Data dashboard], we report you on the presentation about Abstract Wikipedia at WikiCon Australia, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Also, we remind you that if you have questions or ideas to discuss, the next '''Volunteers' Corner''' will be held on '''[https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1778520600 May 11, at 17:30 UTC]''' ([https://meet.google.com/xuy-njxh-rkw link to the meeting]). Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 11:16, 8 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30325620 --> == about the usage of Z33068 == The use of [[f:Z33068]] (en: paragraph from sentences) <s>always</s> most of the time results in the error "Reached time limit in orchestrator." So should it be used at all for now, temporarily? Or maybe there are already some tickets about this that I am not aware of? -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 18:23, 10 May 2026 (UTC) :It previously worked, so I'm hoping whatever the issue is will be fixed soon. The current state of the wiki makes [[m:Immediatism|immediatism]] an illogical philosophy to have at the moment, in my opinion. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:16, 10 May 2026 (UTC) ::This issue seems to no longer exist, you might need to clear the cache by making a dummy edit on affected articles. I implemented the function in Python (instead of composition), which has increased the speed by about 2000 ms. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 04:31, 11 May 2026 (UTC) :::Seems like working. Thank you. -- [[User:Asked42|Asked42]] ([[User talk:Asked42|talk]]) 19:06, 11 May 2026 (UTC) == Manual of Style == I've created a [[Abstract Wikipedia:Manual of Style|draft for a Manual of Style]]. Please feel free to comment on or make bold edits to the page. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:29, 11 May 2026 (UTC) :Thank you! That’s great and I’ll look at it more soon. I’m still taking a bit of a wikibreak. [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 22:32, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :Is there anything I've written [[f:User:Theki/best_practices#Abstract_Wikipedia|here]] that you think would make for a good technical section of the page? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 00:04, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::I've added some of them. Thank you for your list of best practices by the way, I generally agree with them (I can't endorse connecting WD items currently in hope of a better technical solution, but otherwise I do). [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 00:58, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Proposals on the architecture of Abstract Content rendering == Starting from a discussion born on the Wikifunctions Telegram chat, I've explained two different proposals on how the NLG on Abstract Wikipedia should be organized in the page [[User:Dv103/Abstract articles architectures]]. Please come to contribute to the discussion, or to propose alternatives. [[User:Dv103|Dv103]] ([[User talk:Dv103|talk]]) 14:32, 11 May 2026 (UTC) == [[MediaWiki:Wikimedia-copyright-footer]] == The copyright message has a few issues, mainly that it does not address abstract content (which is not "text"), nor object labels (which are under CC0). Proposed text: "<nowiki> Text and abstract content are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License]; the labels of objects from [[f:|Wikifunctions]] are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ Creative Commons CC0 License]; additional terms may apply. See [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Terms_of_Use Terms of Use] for details. </nowiki>" Which, when rendered, looks like: Text and abstract content are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License]; the labels of objects from [[f:|Wikifunctions]] are available under the [https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/ Creative Commons CC0 License]; additional terms may apply. See [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Terms_of_Use Terms of Use] for details. The message is somewhat inspired by the current one and WF's. Thoughts? Thank you! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:30, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: As you probably imagine, this text is very tightly controlled by the Wikimedia Foundation's Legal department. I think the first port of call should be a discussion about why you might want to change things, rather than a rush to specific re-wordings, before approaching them for sign-off. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 14:28, 12 May 2026 (UTC) ::Well I briefly summarized my justification, my proposed text was just an idea for a starting point. Basically, the abstract content is not really "text", so the footer doesn't actually tell the reader what they're allowed to do with it, and I argue that the current wording implies that the labels are licensed under CC-BY-SA 4, when they aren't. I think a change is critical as otherwise we're not showing the reader a license, or, arguably, in the case of labels, showing users a license that ''does not apply'', which is a pretty bad thing. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:51, 12 May 2026 (UTC) == [[MediaWiki:AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions.json]] == I'd think we should add [[f:Z33068]] here. The function allows you to form a paragraph out of sentences and handles languages having different standards of whether to add a space between them, and adding it here would make finding it easier. I'm not sure what policy we want to have for the suggested functions, this idea might help formulate it. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:06, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :[[User:Jdforrester (WMF)]] tells me the page has been changed to [[Special:CommunityConfiguration/AbstractWikiSuggestedWikifunctions]] on the telegram. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:25, 12 May 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]]: Yup, see the weekly update on [[f:Wikifunctions:Status_updates/2026-05-02|2026-05-02]]. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 16:35, 12 May 2026 (UTC) :I also believe Z33068 should be added to the list. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 17:25, 12 May 2026 (UTC) {{done}} see [[Special:Diff/7692]]. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 09:08, 20 May 2026 (UTC) == Abstract Wikipedia statistics site source code == https://abstract-data.toolforge.org/ is a very useful tool, but it doesn't seem to have anything pointing to the location of its source code. Is it closed-source or unfree? While I'm at it I feel I should suggest having language pages' paths formatted differently from how they are currently—at the moment it's <code>/languages/Toki%20Pona</code> when something like <code>/languages/tok</code> would be more suitable. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; : See [[:gitlab:toolforge-repos/abstract-data]]. Also pinging {{ping|DSantamaria-WMF|p=}} (thanks for the tool, by the way). [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 00:25, 13 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you. I think a link to that repository should be put in a footer somewhere on the website as I wouldn't have found that if not for you. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 02:30, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::{{ping|Theki}} For the record, I found that repo by searching for "abstract-data" on [[:toolhub:|Toolhub]]. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 03:34, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::Thanks for the feedback and the report, fixed both things, we have now the link to the repo in the side bar footer, and also the language codes are used in the URLs. Thanks! [[User:DSantamaria-WMF|DSantamaria-WMF]] ([[User talk:DSantamaria-WMF|talk]]) 11:46, 13 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Are you particularly attached to keeping country flag emojis next to the language names? Some consider it an [https://flagsarenotlanguages.com/blog anti-pattern]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 16:17, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I think the use of flags is not really harmful since this is not a ''language selector'', it is just a list of languages. Of course not every language has an associated flag, for example Latin, which does look a bit awkward, but it can't be helped. Maybe give languages without a flag a unique icon from Wikimedia Commons? e.g. <div style="display:inline-flex;align-items:center;border:1px solid #0002;border-radius:4px;gap:4px;padding:4px;">[[File:Toki pona.svg|16px]] Toki Pona</div> instead of <div style="display:inline-flex;align-items:center;border:1px solid #0002;border-radius:4px;gap:4px;padding:4px;"><span>🌐</span>Toki Pona</div>. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 16:37, 14 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::I thought I saw 🏛️ being used for Latin earlier. But of course, as far as the Unicode Consortium is concerned, [[Q65300415|🇬🇧]] doesn't mean '[[Q1680|English]]', no more than [[Q100587670|🏳️‍🌈]] means '[[Q1359130|Polari]]'; technically, it doesn't even mean '[[Q145|United Kingdom]]', just the letters 🇺 and 🇰 next to each other (which linguistically would indicate [[Q8798|Ukrainian]] in ISO 639, but these are 'regional indicator symbols'). [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 17:21, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::As seems (from this comment and also [[f:User_talk:DSantamaria-WMF#c-%E9%AD%94%E7%90%B4-20260513063700-Country_flags_in_abstract-data|others' comments]]) that flags are a little bit controversial, I just removed them, IMHO it was just an aesthetic concept, I like the look and feel that flags bring to the language labels, but happy to remove them if make some people feel uncomfortable with the concept. [[User:DSantamaria-WMF|DSantamaria-WMF]] ([[User talk:DSantamaria-WMF|talk]]) 05:54, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Make it more user Friendly == Make it more user-friendly by adding drag-and-drop compenots and one click additions, and make it similar to a visual macro buidler. [[User:ChippyTechGH|ChippyTechGH]] ([[User talk:ChippyTechGH|talk]]) 01:00, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :Could you file something like this on [[phab:|phabricator]]? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 01:01, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Person infoboxes == Hi all, I've just created [[f:Z35167|infobox for person (Z35167)]]. All it can really do presently is display the name of the person in the chosen language and in the person's native language, but it's a good start. I started writing it as a composition but chose to switch to writing it in JavaScript instead, which ended up being less headache-inducing (managing a large list of strings to concatenate together is not fun, plus compositions bring lots of additional overhead). Unfortunately, this means that the actual ''useful'' parts of the infobox—the information about the person themself—is not really doable. I'd need to dereference the Wikidata property references to get their label in the requested language, but since they're references and I'm working with code, not compositions, I can't just call [[f:Z6822|fetch Wikidata property (Z6822)]] and be done with it. If there's a WikiLambda API to do this inside of the JS itself that would be great and would solve everything, but at the moment that alone is what's holding it back, or so it seems. I can get the actual ''values'' of statements just fine, though. If I am missing some amazing WikiLambda API function that will solve this problem for me by letting me dereference the PID, then please let me know because that would be great. If you want to look at an example of the infobox right meow, you can view [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/tok/Q317521 Q317521 in Toki Pona] and see how it states Musk's name in both Toki Pona ''and'' his native English name. COOL! My hope is that this can be made less barebones in the near future. Infoboxes are a great way to get quick information on a subject and can fill in the informational gaps in the presently sparse articles we have at the moment, all while staying in the user's requested language. Feedback is appreciated! &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 02:58, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :Thank you for this! I wonder if perhaps it would be better to create one "infobox" function and then have compositions call that, making wd retrival possible? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:38, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::Working on that at the moment, I think I've got it working but I'm hitting a ratelimit in the orchestrator so I don't know for sure. The main issue with it now is that the actual [[f:Z35175|infobox template (Z35175)]] wrapper was programmed in JS so as to not be a pain in the ass, so this means that it can only take in strings, HTML fragments, etc. so the retrieval of Wikidata stuff still needs to be done by the caller and is rather verbose (see [[f:Z35168|the main implementation]]). The niceties will come soon later once I know that it all works at a lower level, though. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 05:04, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::So the problem now seems to be that when [[f:Z29825|label of Wikidata property in language (Z29825)]] isn't being faulty, it's being incredibly slow. Considering retrieving Wikidata items from their references seems to take, like, four to five seconds, and we'll have tens of statements in these infoboxes, I don't see how the property names could be retrieved in a way that doesn't cause the orchestrator to time out or hit a ratelimit. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 06:01, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::I think I figured something out? I'm just going to try calling [[f:Z35036|fetch Wikidata property or parts (Z35036)]], it seems to be much faster for whatever reason. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 06:05, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::It works now, a little rough around the edges, also very slow, but I think I'm mostly happy with it. Of course it would be great if all you needed to provide to the template function to get a label-statement row was the property reference itself, but I'm too sleep-deprived to figure that out at the moment. I made five bespoke functions specifically for this infobox, more than I would like, but it's probably not ''that'' bad. I'm just hoping I didn't duplicate any functionality in trying to make the composition less verbose and repetitive. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 07:15, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #248 is out: A higher meaning == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-15|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we discuss functions creating language fragments, we present our latest news in Types, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 14:36, 15 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30536976 --> == Translations == Yes, this question is probably easily answerable through a Web search, but I thought I'd ask here anyways. I am unfortunately not bilingual... I know Toki Pona, but it's a constructed language. I'd love to be a polyglot of some sorts but that is a future thing. I've been trying to translate pages into tok, for funsies mostly. At any rate, I want to convert some of the un-translated pages, namely Feeglgeef's policy drafts, into ones that can be translated (and then translate them into Toki Pona of course). I think I have to be a translation administrator for this? Which is a process that I'd have to ''apply'' for, and I doubt I have the credentials to be accepted for such a role. Regardless, is there a way I can go about this without having to do it through someone else? I can probably easily find documentation on marking pages for translation but I don't know how much I'm actually capable of doing as just a regular user. Should I apply? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 14:15, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :Most of the process of preparing a page for translation can be done by any editor. See [[:mw:Help:Extension:Translate/Page translation example]]. :The step of marking a page or translation for the first time or after changes must be done by a translation administrator. :I recommend learning the <nowiki><translate> and <tvar></nowiki> syntax and using it on a few pages before applying for this permission. After you do it on a few pages, and you feel confident, and you want to do it more, you can ask for the permission. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 14:28, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::Just to confirm, did I mark up [[Special:Diff/8138|this page]] for translation properly? I thought to give the hatnote its own <code>&lt;translate&gt;</code> enclosure so as to exclude the indent and italicization from needing to be included in the translatable text. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:10, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::Mostly properly, but don't exclude <code><nowiki>''</nowiki></code> for italics from translation. It's generally a good idea to exclude complex markup from translation because it's hard for many people to type, and it usually stays the same in translation anyway. <code><nowiki>''</nowiki></code> for italics is different, however: it's very simple to type and familiar to most editors; italic letters are used differently in different languages, and in some languages they aren't used at all, so translators need the freedom to use them appropriately; this markup can also appear in the middle of a translation unit and not only in the ends. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 15:35, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Thank you for the guidance. Should the italics be included if they are used over the entire hatnote? I figure that placement of italics should be left up to the discretion of the translators, but the hatnote itself is meant to be entirely italicized, I would think irrespective of the language it's in. Is this the right idea or should they still be kept within the translation unit? &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:45, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::::Yes, italics should be included in the translation unit if they are used over the entire hatnote. Some languages don't use italic writing at all, so it shouldn't be forced. [[User:Amire80|Amir E. Aharoni]] ([[User talk:Amire80|talk]]) 18:36, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :I'd support a translation administrator request ;), for reasons below. I'm not sure why we need a seperate translation administrator right, or why we have to call it an "administrator" (deciding that a page could be translated is a much less important role than, say, page deletion, or blocking). We picked three of them (well, one of them went through the WMF, so we picked two), [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=pagetranslation&user=&page=&excludetempacct=1&wpdate=&tagfilter=&wpfilters%5B%5D=newusers&wpFormIdentifier=logeventslist they don't appear very active, though], only marking 9 times this month, zero (0) of which were for pages marked for the first time. Both community translation admins used their global history and rights to get the role and only stop by occasionally, so having one who ''actually'' edits here would be nice. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:06, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::This reply echos my philosophy of a sort of wiki-[[Q166005|xenophobia]] (the term xenophobia is probably too harsh, and I wouldn't consider myself one in real life, but it's the best word I can think of), I generally distrust users with a lot of global rights (both global sysop etc. and large amounts of local rights) who come make [[m:Metapedianism|metapedian]] contributions, not as people but to their ability to handle Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia as incredibly unique and technically complex projects. I apologize if it my opinions come off as rude or ungrateful, I do appreciate the work of our translation administrators. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:26, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::You don't bother me, it's fine. I think they definitely have a place, they can be useful and they usually are. Obviously local admins and what have you that earned their roles through the trust and reputation of the specific community they are in are going to occupy a more trusting position in my mind than a global sysop or global ''anything''. Specialized role members are good and healthy in the long term; I think we are giving these privileges to global users sparingly as the project is still in its infancy and as core contributors emerge and take up key positions we will have a more well-rounded and self-sustaining community with less global privileges needed to take up certain tasks. Wikifunctions probably needed some Foundation members or other staff to act as functioneers initially while the general community was still orienting themselves with WikiLambda and working on applying for the role, but now we have [[f:Special:ListUsers/functioneer|74(!) of them]] and the number of normal members using their specialized skills outnumbers those who were "grandfathered" in (for lack of a better term) or similar. The wiki is young—it just needs time. I myself have been considering applying for sysop privileges since they are obviously needed (there being exactly Zero of them at the moment); I've been weighing the pros and cons of such a commitment, it's obviously a lot to take up. I wish your sysop request went through, I think you would have made a great admin here. I'm unsure of what others think of my capabilities, I'm rather in-and-out around these social spaces so I don't know if there's much to go off of. &mdash; [[User:Theki|rae^5e]] &lt;[[User talk:Theki|talk]]&gt; 15:55, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Totally agree, and I'd support a sysopship request as well, though I'm apparently not good at assessing what the community considers supportable in admin candidate ;). ::::Off-topic, but interestingly, the sysop toolset allows you to grant yourself translation adminship. I'm not sure if sysops are expected not to grant themselves the permissions (kind of like how on enwiki 'crats are expected not grant themselves any rights without discussion despite having the technical rights), but I did it to myself on WF because [https://www.wikifunctions.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=84940 another sysop had]. Additionally, the functioneer right [[Special:ListGroupRights#functioneer|exists on this wiki]], with the same rights on WF, despite all of them not doing anything on this wiki. I believe this is because, on the technical side, both AW and WF are powered by the same MediaWiki extension (Wikilambda), with one wiki set to a mode for abstract articles and another set to a mode for ZObjects. [https://dag.wikipedia.org/wiki/Di%C5%8B%27gahim:ListGroupRights#functioneer Checking the Dagbani Wikipedia] supports this theory. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:00, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::::It always depends on the local policy. For Wikifunctions it is: ''Administrators do not need to undergo another discussion to become translation administrators; they can self-grant the rights to their account if necessary. Temporary administrators are not allowed to self-grant permanent translation administrator rights.'' :::::The availability of the functioneer right is a bug, see [[phab:T407066]]. --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 19:36, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::If you don't consider yourself a xenophobe in real life, I would recommend not calling yourself that here, or anywhere really. Especially since it was the ideological capture during the 2010s of the Croatian-language Wikipedia [[w:hr:]] by actual xenophobes that was part of the impetus for Abstract Wikipedia according to [https://simia.net/wiki/Draft:_Collaborating_on_the_sum_of_all_knowledge_across_languages#A_look_on_some_south_Slavic_language_Wikipedias Denny's blog]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 22:10, 26 May 2026 (UTC) == Policy drafts == Hi all! I've written some draft policies and guidelines over the last few days. We're not a bureaucracy, so the point is not to set some rules but to kick off some discussions as to how our wiki will work. So far, I've created: * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability|a notability guideline]] * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy|a deletion policy]] I've written them as my opinion on what should happen, but I'm hoping to align them with community consensus as we discuss them more. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 13:44, 21 May 2026 (UTC) == Wikifunctions & Abstract Wikipedia Newsletter #249 is out: Annual plan 2026-2027 == There is [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-23|a new update]] for Abstract Wikipedia and Wikifunctions. Please, come and read it! In this issue, we present you the current draft of objectives for Wikifunctions and Abstract Wikipedia in the WMF Annual Plan 2026-2027, and we take a look at the latest software developments. Want to catch up with the previous updates? Check [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates|our archive]]! Enjoy the reading! -- [[User:Sannita (WMF)|User:Sannita (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Sannita (WMF)|talk]]) 09:48, 25 May 2026 (UTC) <!-- Message sent by User:Sannita (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Global_message_delivery/Targets/Wikifunctions_%26_Abstract_Wikipedia&oldid=30536976 --> == To abstract Wikipedia or be the Abstract Wikipedia == There is a discussion happening about what the [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability|notability criteria]] for Abstract Wikipedia should be, and in trying to participate I've found my idea of Abstract Wikipedia is awfully abstract. Is Abstract Wikipedia supposed to abstract Wikipedia, as in abstracting information from existing articles on the language Wikipedias (barring new contributions), or is it supposed to become the Abstract Wikipedia, supporting collaboration across all languages like it's the language Wikipedia to end all language Wikipedias (allowing new contributions)? I thought the answer would be obvious, but the name Abstract Wikipedia is a bit ambiguous. Am I missing something? [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 02:16, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :I think ({{ping|DVrandecic (WMF)|p=?}}) the idea is (and I personally prefer) the latter. I believe that, given the fact that it's much easier to write a concrete article than an abstract article, and the fact that the community of potential future contributors on enwiki is skeptical ''at best'', we ultimately will never expand beyond the size of other wikis, but I see no problem with allowing volunteers to add information not on other wikis (it's probably not the most effective, but they're volunteers, beggars can't be choosers), as long as it's not vandalism, useless, or promotional slop. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:31, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] Abstract Wikipedia is a Wikipedia, where people can collaborate across languages on articles, which can then be used to fill gaps in the existing Wikipedias. Whereas I expect that current Wikipedia articles might be used as a convenient starting point for many of the articles in Abstract Wikipedia, this is more a consequence of Wikipedia being one of the best places to go to to find reliable knowledge, but that is not part of how it is supposed to work. So, this is not to abstract the existing Wikipedias, but to collaborate on an Abstract Wikipedia. At no point is this meant to replace existing Wikipedias. (Thanks to @[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] for the ping!) --[[User:DVrandecic (WMF)|DVrandecic (WMF)]] ([[User talk:DVrandecic (WMF)|talk]]) 17:01, 27 May 2026 (UTC) ::Thank you, this makes a lot more sense now. [[User:Some helpful person|Some helpful person]] ([[User talk:Some helpful person|talk]]) 21:52, 27 May 2026 (UTC) == template suggestion == Some way to mock abstract syntax on talk and project pages, analogous to those in [[d:category:format Template]]. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 15:21, 27 May 2026 (UTC) :Hmm. I agree. :Workshopping ideas for how it works: :* Invokation: <nowiki>{{Call|Z26039|{"Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1"}|{"Z1K1": "Z6091", "Z6091K1": "Q634"}|{"Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1"}|lang=en}}</nowiki> :** This could then be suplemented by helper templates: <nowiki>{{Call|Z26039|{{Wikidata item argument reference}}|{{Wikidata item reference|Q634}}|{{Language argument reference}}}}</nowiki> :* This would result in "[[f:Z26039|subject is instance of (string)]] (wikidata item reference, [[d:Q634|planet]], language)" :** Icons are missing in this example, I'm not sure if we can actually add them :Thoughts? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:04, 27 May 2026 (UTC) == Marking NLG Default text == Some NLG functions give default texts, like [[f:Z33420|Z33420]] will give text like "Paris ∈ {city}". sometimes in other languages the English text is show. Currently there is no visual clue that these texts are not normal text in the requested language. I propose we mark these text with color <span style="color:magenta;">Paris ∈ {city}</span> with something like <nowiki><span style="color:magenta;">Paris ∈ {city}</span></nowiki>. To have this configurable/maintainable this could be included in a function, called NLG default text or so, with a text as input an a text in color as output. The exact formatting like magenta color or gray background or something else can be discussed/decided later. To have it even more configurable on personal stylesheets it could use a class like <nowiki><span class="NLG Default text">Paris ∈ {city}</span></nowiki>. What do you think? Could somebody make such a function already? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 12:00, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :The are technically just monolingual texts in a language called "multiple languages". I threw a prototype together really quickly, [[f:Z35839]]. It will accept strings, monolingual texts, and html fragments as input, so you have to select which type you want. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:59, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::OK, thanks, I added it to [[f:Z26039]] and works as expected, see [https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Z26039?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z26039%22%2C%22Z26039K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q64%22%7D%2C%22Z26039K2%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q515%22%7D%2C%22Z26039K3%22%3A%22Z1555%22%7D here]. The test for the function with default text now fails because it now is in magenta color. That was to be expected. I will leave the tests unchanged if that is OK with you, as we might need to change the exact formatting. ::Is it OK to add this to other NLG functions that produce default output? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 15:59, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :::Sure, [[w:en:WP:Be bold|be bold]]! [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:50, 29 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Feeglgeef, I am struggling with the output. Can you have a look? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 17:02, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::::Can you link me to where? [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:08, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::{{Q|90}} in a language vls should give a magenta text. Instead it gives "Wikifunctions returned a failed response: Unspecified error". [[f:Z33422]] results "<span style="color: magenta;">Parys ∈ {stad}</span>" (as a string). [[f:Z26039]] also gives "<span style="color: magenta;">Parys ∈ {stad}</span>", but it's test [[f:Z33726]] gives an HTML equivalent, not a string. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 17:59, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::You shouldn't be returning HTML in string-typed functions. I'm not sure, then, how we implement your proposal, actually. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:54, 30 May 2026 (UTC) == Ratification of the deletion policy proposal? == I haven't seen any unresolved objections to my proposal for a [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy|policy for deletion]]. Does anybody have any issues, and, if not, is it ok to ratify as an actual policy? I intend to remove the draft template and replace it with a policy template unless anyone voices any objection within a week. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 20:55, 29 May 2026 (UTC) :Is it just me or does [[Abstract Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Reasons for deletion]] render blank with only number bullets without the actual text after ''1.'' or ''2.''? [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 07:13, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::I see text. ―[[User:Koavf|Justin (<span style="color:grey">ko'''a'''<span style="color:black">v</span>f</span>)]]<span style="color:red">❤[[User talk:Koavf|T]]☮[[Special:Contributions/Koavf|C]]☺[[Special:Emailuser/Koavf|M]]☯</span> 07:49, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::I can see on my phone, but it goes blank on my laptop. What is the role of ''<nowiki><span class="anchor" id="1"></nowiki>''? [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 12:15, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::::{{ping|Bunnypranav}} I can see the text everywhere (I tested connected and not connected, on my phone, laptop, with Chrome or Firefox ; what system do you use?). As the name suggest, the span anchor is here to create an HTML anchor, so you can do link like [[Abstract_Wikipedia:Deletion_policy#7]]. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 13:49, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::::I'm on Brave browser. Nevertheless, forget it. The culprit might be some random customization I did to my system which I cannot recollect. The reason is the span tag only though, tried a preview kicking out a text to just outside the tag and it worked. [[User:Bunnypranav|Bunnypranav]] ([[User talk:Bunnypranav|talk]]) 14:23, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :Globally, it looks fine. I think that reasons 7 and 8 may need some examples/clarifications. There is no global consensus when it comes to creating categories. For example, categories for building interiors and exteriors. Personally, I feel that they are useful for easier discoverability. [[User:Jsamwrites|John Samuel]] ([[User:Jsamwrites|talk]]) 15:39, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ::I've copied them over from enwiki. They're probably included in "content otherwise not suited for an encyclopedia." Since sysops can't speedy them, it'd be up to commenters on [[Abstract:RFD]] to determine. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 16:48, 30 May 2026 (UTC) ll76wbbnprwx62zyb1ftlsdt06go44i 4 450 9214 8924 2026-05-30T14:13:13Z VIGNERON 163 /* Scholarly articles */ + 9214 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ This page is the venue to request for the deletion of pages that cannot be speedy deleted (see also [[Template:Delete]]). [[Category:Abstract Wikipedia administration]] == Scholarly articles == * {{Q|67404404}} * {{Q|50082993}} * {{Q|68271926}} * {{Q|114133712}} There is very little abstract encyclopedic content that can come out of a page about a specific, non-notable scholarly article. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 19:07, 18 May 2026 (UTC) :We currently don't have a community-ratified definition of notability. I've tried to kick off this discussion [[Project:Notability|here]]. For now, I ask that stewards/global sysops '''wait''' until we come to a consensus on a policy. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:10, 18 May 2026 (UTC) ::{{ping|JJPMaster}} very interesting request. I'm not entirely sure... I would tend to agree for these papers but not all of them ({{Q|Q30249683}} exists on 16 Wikipedias for instance), so where to put the threshold between notable and non-notable? on which criteria? Anyway, I agree to ''wait'' until the community reach a consensus on what is notable on AW. Also, I'm pinging {{ping|Immanuelle}} who created these articles. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 14:13, 30 May 2026 (UTC) nsgagh1vyrpobb0er33zd6yzjpcsiyf 9292 9214 2026-05-31T08:34:31Z Ameisenigel 31 /* Q6489603 */ new section 9292 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ This page is the venue to request for the deletion of pages that cannot be speedy deleted (see also [[Template:Delete]]). [[Category:Abstract Wikipedia administration]] == Scholarly articles == * {{Q|67404404}} * {{Q|50082993}} * {{Q|68271926}} * {{Q|114133712}} There is very little abstract encyclopedic content that can come out of a page about a specific, non-notable scholarly article. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 19:07, 18 May 2026 (UTC) :We currently don't have a community-ratified definition of notability. I've tried to kick off this discussion [[Project:Notability|here]]. For now, I ask that stewards/global sysops '''wait''' until we come to a consensus on a policy. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:10, 18 May 2026 (UTC) ::{{ping|JJPMaster}} very interesting request. I'm not entirely sure... I would tend to agree for these papers but not all of them ({{Q|Q30249683}} exists on 16 Wikipedias for instance), so where to put the threshold between notable and non-notable? on which criteria? Anyway, I agree to ''wait'' until the community reach a consensus on what is notable on AW. Also, I'm pinging {{ping|Immanuelle}} who created these articles. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 14:13, 30 May 2026 (UTC) == [[Q6489603]] == See [[Talk:Q6489603]]. This does not work as a category, it is more an article about a category. --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 08:34, 31 May 2026 (UTC) db0shdrdg3kx4w6dgxfjcbmoiu1w1g3 0 730 9230 2560 2026-05-30T19:15:18Z Svetlov Artem 4322 9230 abstractwiki text/plain { "qid": "Q977", "sections": { "Q8776414": { "index": 0, "fragments": [ "Z89", { "Z1K1": "Z7", "Z7K1": "Z29749", "Z29749K1": { "Z1K1": "Z7", "Z7K1": "Z26570", "Z26570K1": { "Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1" }, "Z26570K2": { "Z1K1": "Z6091", "Z6091K1": "Q6256" }, "Z26570K3": { "Z1K1": "Z6091", "Z6091K1": "Q15" }, "Z26570K4": { "Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K2" } }, "Z29749K2": { "Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K2" } }, { "Z1K1": "Z7", "Z7K1": "Z35672", "Z35672K1": { "Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K2" } }, { "Z1K1": "Z7", "Z7K1": "Z27868", "Z27868K1": { "Z1K1": "Z7", "Z7K1": "Z28445", "Z28445K1": { "Z1K1": "Z7", "Z7K1": "Z30120", "Z30120K1": { "Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K1" }, "Z30120K2": [ "Z6030", "Z6033", "Z6036" ], "Z30120K3": [ "Z60", { "Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K2" } ], "Z30120K4": [ "Z6092", { "Z1K1": "Z6092", "Z6092K1": "P1082" } ] }, "Z28445K2": { "Z1K1": "Z6092", "Z6092K1": "P1082" }, "Z28445K3": { "Z1K1": "Z18", "Z18K1": "Z825K2" } } } ] } } } o5qtvy99qysm7yvs2hwjj5htl6olqd0 3 904 9222 3018 2026-05-30T15:19:01Z Feeglgeef 36 welcome 9222 wikitext text/x-wiki == Feel free to be direct! == If there’s something you’d like me to take a look at, please just ask right here. I am not an administrator or member of WMF staff, but I am a [[:f:Special:ListUsers/functioneer| Functioneer]] on [[:f:Wikifunctions:Main page|Wikifunctions]]. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 10:03, 3 April 2026 (UTC) == Welcome to Abstract Wikipedia! == <div style="border:solid medium lightgrey; border-width: medium; padding: 0.3em 0.5em;"> <div class="lang-en" lang="en"> Hello, GrounderUK. Welcome to '''[[Abstract Wikipedia:About|Abstract Wikipedia]]'''! View the [[Abstract Wikipedia:Community portal|Community portal]] or post to the [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat|Project chat]] if you need help with something. Please remember to sign your messages on talk pages by typing four tildes <nowiki>(~~~~)</nowiki>; this will automatically insert your username and the date. Happy editing! </div> </div><!-- Template:Welcome -->[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:18, 30 May 2026 (UTC) pw9t8pfc954ctyf8lcufwha0be8v6zr 9231 9222 2026-05-30T20:47:07Z GrounderUK 54 /* Welcome to Abstract Wikipedia! */ Reply 9231 wikitext text/x-wiki == Feel free to be direct! == If there’s something you’d like me to take a look at, please just ask right here. I am not an administrator or member of WMF staff, but I am a [[:f:Special:ListUsers/functioneer| Functioneer]] on [[:f:Wikifunctions:Main page|Wikifunctions]]. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 10:03, 3 April 2026 (UTC) == Welcome to Abstract Wikipedia! == <div style="border:solid medium lightgrey; border-width: medium; padding: 0.3em 0.5em;"> <div class="lang-en" lang="en"> Hello, GrounderUK. Welcome to '''[[Abstract Wikipedia:About|Abstract Wikipedia]]'''! View the [[Abstract Wikipedia:Community portal|Community portal]] or post to the [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat|Project chat]] if you need help with something. Please remember to sign your messages on talk pages by typing four tildes <nowiki>(~~~~)</nowiki>; this will automatically insert your username and the date. Happy editing! </div> </div><!-- Template:Welcome -->[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:18, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :Thanks! Talk pages have Add topic and Reply, so there’s not much call for remembering <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>.<br> [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 20:47, 30 May 2026 (UTC) 3shtiwtdogos2uqs3gwbkowuj0za2ae 9232 9231 2026-05-30T21:38:10Z Feeglgeef 36 /* Welcome to Abstract Wikipedia! */ reply to GrounderUK ([[mw:c:Special:MyLanguage/User:JWBTH/CD|CD]]) 9232 wikitext text/x-wiki == Feel free to be direct! == If there’s something you’d like me to take a look at, please just ask right here. I am not an administrator or member of WMF staff, but I am a [[:f:Special:ListUsers/functioneer| Functioneer]] on [[:f:Wikifunctions:Main page|Wikifunctions]]. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 10:03, 3 April 2026 (UTC) == Welcome to Abstract Wikipedia! == <div style="border:solid medium lightgrey; border-width: medium; padding: 0.3em 0.5em;"> <div class="lang-en" lang="en"> Hello, GrounderUK. Welcome to '''[[Abstract Wikipedia:About|Abstract Wikipedia]]'''! View the [[Abstract Wikipedia:Community portal|Community portal]] or post to the [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat|Project chat]] if you need help with something. Please remember to sign your messages on talk pages by typing four tildes <nowiki>(~~~~)</nowiki>; this will automatically insert your username and the date. Happy editing! </div> </div><!-- Template:Welcome -->[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 15:18, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :Thanks! Talk pages have Add topic and Reply, so there’s not much call for remembering <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>.<br> [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 20:47, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :: Should we include it in the message, then? I just copied it into the template from Wikifunctions. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 21:38, 30 May 2026 (UTC) m6g3hxj355ctcws6e8pq2wgaftdsr1p 10 2010 9236 9000 2026-05-31T07:13:14Z Ameisenigel 31 9236 wikitext text/x-wiki <templatestyles src="Template:Main_page/styles.css" /> <div id="lang_dir" class="mw-content-{{dir|{{#invoke:Caller title|lang|base=Template:Main_page}}}}" dir="{{dir|{{#invoke:Caller title|lang|base=Template:Main_page}}}}"> <div id="mainpage_header" class="mainpage_header"> [[File:Wikipedia-logo.svg|100px|alt=A globe with letters on it]] <h1>Willkommen bei der Abstrakten Wikipedia</h1> <p>Die Abstrakte Wikipedia ist eine [[foundation:Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Terms of Use|freie]] Enzyklopädie [[Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia:Introduction|abstrakter Artikel]], die jeder bearbeiten kann.</p> <div id="articlecount"><ul><li>[[Special:Statistics|{{formatnum|{{NUMBEROFACTIVEUSERS}}|{{USERLANGUAGE}}}}]] aktive Autoren</li> <li>[[Special:Statistics|{{formatnum|{{NUMBEROFARTICLES}}|{{USERLANGUAGE}}}}]] abstrakte Artikel</li></ul></div></div> <div id="audiences" class="mainpage_row"> <div class="mainpage_box"> <h3><span class="header_icon" aria-hidden="true" role="presentation">[[File:Wikipedia "W" Rounded Black.svg|20px|middle|link=]]</span>Willkommen!</h3> <div id="mainpage-welcome" title="Welcome" class="items"> Die '''Abstrakte Wikipedia''' ist ein Wikimedia-Projekt, bei dem jeder gemeinsam mit anderen an der Erstellung und Pflege einer Sammlung sprachunabhängiger Artikel mitwirken kann. Diese basieren auf Funktionen von [[:f:|Wikifunctions]] und Daten von [[:d:|Wikidata]] und sollen Wikimedia-Projekten helfen, ihre Artikelbasis zu erweitern. </div> </div> <div class="mainpage_box"> <h3><span class="header_icon" aria-hidden="true" role="presentation">[[File:OOjs UI icon chem.svg|20px|middle|class=skin-invert|link=]]</span>Erste Schritte</h3> <div id="mainpage-start" title="Get started" class="items"> * [[Special:CreateAbstract|Einen Artikel erstellen]] * [[Abstract:Useful functions for article composition|Nützliche Funktionen]] * [[Abstract:Community portal|Gemeinschaftsportal]] </div> </div> </div> <div id="misc-news" class="mainpage_row"> <div class="mainpage_box"> <h3><span class="header_icon" aria-hidden="true" role="presentation">[[File:OOjs UI icon ongoingConversation-rtl.svg|20px|middle|class=skin-invert|link=]]</span>Lernen und Beitragen</h3> <div id=mainpage-help-contribute" title="Support and Contributing" class="items"> ; Über die Abstrakte Wikipedia lernen * [[Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia:About|Einführung in die Abstrakte Wikipedia]] * [[Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia:Frequently Asked Questions|FAQ]] * [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Glossary|Wikifunctions-Glossar]] ; In anderen Bereichen beitragen * [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia#Participate|Sich als Übersetzer beteiligen]] * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Suggested functions|Eine Funktion vorschlagen]] ; Hilfe erhalten * Fragen? Stelle Fragen in der [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat|Projektdiskussion]] oder in unserem [https://t.me/Wikifunctions Telegram-/IRC-Kanal]! * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Report a technical problem|Melde ein technisches Problem]] </div> </div> <div class="mainpage_box"> <h3><span class="header_icon" aria-hidden="true" role="presentation">[[File:Echo (Notifications) megaphone.svg|20px|middle|class=skin-invert|link=]]</span>Neuigkeiten</h3> <div id="mainpage-news" title="News" class="items">{{Main page/News/{{#invoke:IncludeLang|main|page=Template:Main page/News|lang = {{USERLANGUAGE}}}}}}</div> </div> </div> <!-- The section below is not visible in the page view --> <div id="many-examples" class="mainpage_row" style="display:none;"> <div class="mainpage_box"> <h3><span class="header_icon" aria-hidden="true" role="presentation">[[File:OOjs UI icon listBullet-ltr.svg|20px|middle|class=skin-invert|link=]]</span>Exzellente abstrakte Artikel</h3> <div id=mainpage-abstract-articles" title="Abstract articles" class="items"> Unsere ersten exzellenten abstrakten Artikel kommen demnächst! </div> </div> </div> <div id="sister" class="mainpage_row"> <div class="mainpage_box"> <div id="mainpage-sister" title="Sister projects" class="items" style="border-top:unset;"> <div class="mainpage-sister-title"> <div style="width:45px; margin:0 auto; margin-top: -40px;">[[File:Wikimedia-logo.svg|45px|center|link=]]</div> <div class="plainlinks" style="color:var(--color-subtle, #54595d); font-size:120%; text-align:center; padding-top:10px;">Die Abstrakte Wikipedia ist Teil der gemeinnützigen, mehrsprachigen [[foundationsite:|Wikimedia]]-Familie freier Inhalte.</div> </div> <div class="mainpage-sister-projects"> *[[File:Wikipedia-logo-v2.svg|40x40px|link=w:|alt=]]<div><span>[[w:|{{int:Wikibase-otherprojects-wikipedia}}]]</span><br>Enzyklopädie</div> *[[File:Wikidata-logo.svg|40x40px|link=d:|alt=]]<div><span>[[d:|{{int:Wikibase-otherprojects-wikidata}}]]</span><br>Wissensdatenbank</div> *[[File:Wikifunctions-logo.svg|40x40px|link=w:|alt=]]<div><span>[[f:|{{int:Wikibase-otherprojects-wikifunctions}}]]</span><br>Funktionsbibliothek</div> *[[File:Commons-logo.svg|40x40px|link=c:|alt=]]<div><span>[[c:|{{int:Wikibase-otherprojects-commons}}]]</span><br>Medienrepositorium</div> *[[File:Wiktionary-logo.svg|40x40px|link=wikt:|alt=]]<div><span>[[wikt:|{{int:Wikibase-otherprojects-wiktionary}}]]</span><br>Wörterbuch und Thesaurus</div> *[[File:Wikibooks-logo.svg|40x40px|link=b:|alt=]]<div><span>[[b:|{{int:Wikibase-otherprojects-wikibooks}}]]</span><br>Lehrbücher und Handbücher</div> *[[File:Wikiquote-logo.svg|40x40px|link=q:|alt=]]<div><span>[[q:|{{int:Wikibase-otherprojects-wikiquote}}]]</span><br>Zitatsammlung</div> *[[File:Wikisource-logo.svg|40x40px|link=s:|alt=]]<div><span>[[s:|{{int:Wikibase-otherprojects-wikisource}}]]</span><br>Bibliothek</div> *[[File:Wikiversity logo 2017.svg|40x40px|link=v:|alt=]]<div><span>[[v:|{{int:Wikibase-otherprojects-wikiversity}}]]</span><br>Lernressourcen</div> *[[File:Wikivoyage-Logo-v3-icon.svg|40x40px|link=voy:|alt=]]<div><span>[[voy:|{{int:Wikibase-otherprojects-wikivoyage}}]]</span><br>Reiseführer</div> *[[File:Wikispecies-logo.svg|40x40px|link=species:|alt=]]<div><span>[[species:|{{int:Wikibase-otherprojects-species}}]]</span><br>Artenverzeichnis</div> *[[File:Incubator-logo.svg|40x40px|link=incubator:|alt=]]<div><span>[[incubator:|{{int:Project-localized-name-incubatorwiki}}]]</span><br>Neue Sprachversionen</div> *[[File:Wikimedia Community Logo.svg|40x40px|link=m:|alt=]]<div><span>[[m:|{{int:Project-localized-name-metawiki}}]]</span><br>Projektkoordination</div> *[[File:MediaWiki-2020-icon.svg|40x40px|link=mw:|alt=]]<div><span>[[mw:|{{int:Project-localized-name-mediawikiwiki}}]]</span><br>MediaWiki-Entwicklung</div> *[[File:Wikimania.svg|40x40px|link=wikimania:|alt=]]<div><span>[[wikimania:|{{int:Project-localized-name-wikimaniawiki}}]]</span><br>Veranstaltungskoordination</div> *[[File:Wikimedia-logo.svg|40x40px|link=outreach:|alt=]]<div><span>[[m:|{{int:Project-localized-name-outreachwiki}}]]</span><br><span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">Outreach</span></div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <div class="mainPage_row" style="font-size: smaller;"> <languages/> </div> </div> __NOEDITSECTION__ __NOTOC__ <noinclude>[[Category:Templates]]</noinclude> st16runcdv3n2ld36xyp45s3f3o8zu6 9238 9236 2026-05-31T07:13:40Z Ameisenigel 31 Created page with "Öffentlichkeitsarbeit" 9238 wikitext text/x-wiki <templatestyles src="Template:Main_page/styles.css" /> <div id="lang_dir" class="mw-content-{{dir|{{#invoke:Caller title|lang|base=Template:Main_page}}}}" dir="{{dir|{{#invoke:Caller title|lang|base=Template:Main_page}}}}"> <div id="mainpage_header" class="mainpage_header"> [[File:Wikipedia-logo.svg|100px|alt=A globe with letters on it]] <h1>Willkommen bei der Abstrakten Wikipedia</h1> <p>Die Abstrakte Wikipedia ist eine [[foundation:Special:MyLanguage/Policy:Terms of Use|freie]] Enzyklopädie [[Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia:Introduction|abstrakter Artikel]], die jeder bearbeiten kann.</p> <div id="articlecount"><ul><li>[[Special:Statistics|{{formatnum|{{NUMBEROFACTIVEUSERS}}|{{USERLANGUAGE}}}}]] aktive Autoren</li> <li>[[Special:Statistics|{{formatnum|{{NUMBEROFARTICLES}}|{{USERLANGUAGE}}}}]] abstrakte Artikel</li></ul></div></div> <div id="audiences" class="mainpage_row"> <div class="mainpage_box"> <h3><span class="header_icon" aria-hidden="true" role="presentation">[[File:Wikipedia "W" Rounded Black.svg|20px|middle|link=]]</span>Willkommen!</h3> <div id="mainpage-welcome" title="Welcome" class="items"> Die '''Abstrakte Wikipedia''' ist ein Wikimedia-Projekt, bei dem jeder gemeinsam mit anderen an der Erstellung und Pflege einer Sammlung sprachunabhängiger Artikel mitwirken kann. Diese basieren auf Funktionen von [[:f:|Wikifunctions]] und Daten von [[:d:|Wikidata]] und sollen Wikimedia-Projekten helfen, ihre Artikelbasis zu erweitern. </div> </div> <div class="mainpage_box"> <h3><span class="header_icon" aria-hidden="true" role="presentation">[[File:OOjs UI icon chem.svg|20px|middle|class=skin-invert|link=]]</span>Erste Schritte</h3> <div id="mainpage-start" title="Get started" class="items"> * [[Special:CreateAbstract|Einen Artikel erstellen]] * [[Abstract:Useful functions for article composition|Nützliche Funktionen]] * [[Abstract:Community portal|Gemeinschaftsportal]] </div> </div> </div> <div id="misc-news" class="mainpage_row"> <div class="mainpage_box"> <h3><span class="header_icon" aria-hidden="true" role="presentation">[[File:OOjs UI icon ongoingConversation-rtl.svg|20px|middle|class=skin-invert|link=]]</span>Lernen und Beitragen</h3> <div id=mainpage-help-contribute" title="Support and Contributing" class="items"> ; Über die Abstrakte Wikipedia lernen * [[Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia:About|Einführung in die Abstrakte Wikipedia]] * [[Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia:Frequently Asked Questions|FAQ]] * [[f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Glossary|Wikifunctions-Glossar]] ; In anderen Bereichen beitragen * [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Abstract Wikipedia#Participate|Sich als Übersetzer beteiligen]] * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Suggested functions|Eine Funktion vorschlagen]] ; Hilfe erhalten * Fragen? Stelle Fragen in der [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat|Projektdiskussion]] oder in unserem [https://t.me/Wikifunctions Telegram-/IRC-Kanal]! * [[Abstract Wikipedia:Report a technical problem|Melde ein technisches Problem]] </div> </div> <div class="mainpage_box"> <h3><span class="header_icon" aria-hidden="true" role="presentation">[[File:Echo (Notifications) megaphone.svg|20px|middle|class=skin-invert|link=]]</span>Neuigkeiten</h3> <div id="mainpage-news" title="News" class="items">{{Main page/News/{{#invoke:IncludeLang|main|page=Template:Main page/News|lang = {{USERLANGUAGE}}}}}}</div> </div> </div> <!-- The section below is not visible in the page view --> <div id="many-examples" class="mainpage_row" style="display:none;"> <div class="mainpage_box"> <h3><span class="header_icon" aria-hidden="true" role="presentation">[[File:OOjs UI icon listBullet-ltr.svg|20px|middle|class=skin-invert|link=]]</span>Exzellente abstrakte Artikel</h3> <div id=mainpage-abstract-articles" title="Abstract articles" class="items"> Unsere ersten exzellenten abstrakten Artikel kommen demnächst! </div> </div> </div> <div id="sister" class="mainpage_row"> <div class="mainpage_box"> <div id="mainpage-sister" title="Sister projects" class="items" style="border-top:unset;"> <div class="mainpage-sister-title"> <div style="width:45px; 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vertical-align:top"> <div class="mainpage_boxcontents_small"> ;Freiwilligentreffen * Das nächste Freiwilligentreffen findet um <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1780939800 17:30 UTC on 2026-06-08]</bdi> auf <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">Google Meet</bdi> unter <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[https://meet.google.com/xuy-njxh-rkw meet.google.com/xuy-njxh-rkw]</bdi> statt. * Das [[:c:File:Abstract Wikipedia Volunteer Corner 2026-05.webm|letzte Freiwilligentreffen]] ist auf Commons verfügbar. ; Aktuelle Neuigkeiten zum Status von Wikifunctions <!--Keep this to the most recent 5 entries--> * [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-23|2026-05-23]]: Jahresplan 2026/2027 * [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-15|2026-05-15]]: Eine höhere Bedeutung * [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-08|2026-05-08]]: Einzelnachweise aus Wikidata jetzt verfügbar * [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-02|2026-05-02]]: Bitte um Anregungen: Was sollten wir für die Abstrakte Wikipedia zählen? * [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-04-25|2026-04-25]]: Die Suche der Foundation nach der perfekten Sprache </div> <span class="plainlinks">[https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status_updates <span class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-constructive mw-ui-small">Weitere Neuigkeiten</span>]</span> </div><noinclude>[[Category:templates]]</noinclude> 7s11j1e4nraf6zp70nwvkayat3kfi7m 4 2947 9239 9047 2026-05-31T07:15:32Z Ameisenigel 31 9239 wikitext text/x-wiki <noinclude><languages/></noinclude> <div style="border:1px solid var(--border-color-subtle,#c8ccd1); padding:1em; margin: 0.2em 0;"> {{Shortcut|[[Project:PC]]|[[Project:VP]]}}<includeonly>__NEWSECTIONLINK__ [[Category:Abstract Wikipedia administration|Project chat]]</includeonly> <translate><!--T:1--> '''Abstract Wikipedia Project chat'''</translate><br /> <span style="font-size:smaller;"><translate><!--T:2--> This is where discussions on the project happen.</translate></span> * <translate><!--T:3--> More technical issues should go to: [[<tvar name="1">Abstract Wikipedia:Report a technical problem</tvar>|Report a technical problem]].</translate> * <translate><!--T:4--> For older discussions, see the [[<tvar name="2">Abstract:Project chat/Archives</tvar>|archives]].</translate> </div> 7i22isnbu2wk74w1jvmuuml1jhgj4ky 4 3026 9293 9027 2026-05-31T08:46:28Z Vorziblix 4440 grammar (singular of ‘criteria’ is ‘criterion’) 9293 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Policy draft}} On Abstract Wikipedia, notability is a test used by editors to decide whether a given topic warrants its own article. On Abstract Wikipedia, articles are technically limited to topics with Wikidata items. Wikidata requires items to meet any of [[:d:Special:MyLanguage/Wikidata:Notability|three criteria]] to be eligible for an item. Articles on Abstract Wikipedia must meet the ''second criterion'' to be considered notable. That criterion says "[the item] refers to an instance of a clearly identifiable conceptual or material entity that can be described using serious and publicly available references." If a topic already has at least one article on a language Wikipedia, it is likely to warrant its own article. Reliable sources are especially needed to prove the notability of a topic if it does not yet have an article in any language. Whether a topic has an article or not creates only an assumption, not a guarantee, that it should or should not have its own abstract article. [[Category:Abstract Wikipedia administration{{#translation:}}|Notability]] abswjk642avlghmao03fvruzjtbjers 5 3096 9215 8294 2026-05-30T14:19:10Z VIGNERON 163 /* Copyvio section */ + 9215 wikitext text/x-wiki == Copyvio section == What exactly does "Just because text has been converted to Abstract Form does not mean the author loses the copyright on the idea, unless it is a basic statement of fact" mean? Ideas cannot be copyrighted. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 17:25, 21 May 2026 (UTC) :I agree that ideas cannot be copyrighted. On the other hand I think it would be a copyright violation if you take a Wikipedia article, transfer it to a abstract form, and get (more or less) the same result as the original article without proper attribution. --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 18:42, 21 May 2026 (UTC) :I shouldn't have put "idea." I mean like, if I open the first page of ''Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone'', if I put the concept of two people called "Mr. and Mrs. Dursley" and have them reside at a place called 4 Privet Drive, and described them as being proud to inform others that they were typical people, in abstract content, and then continue to copy the statements into abstract content down the page, I'm still violating Rowling's copyright, even though it might not output the exact text that was printed by Bloomsbury. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:17, 21 May 2026 (UTC) ::+1 this phrase (and the section more generally) is a good idea but is strangely worded. Also, in many (most?) cases, we could just remove the copyvio and delete the corresponding line in the history, a full deletion of the article is not always the solution. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 14:19, 30 May 2026 (UTC) == Cart before the horse? == This is a very good draft but it seems to me that we should probably focus on [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability]] first (or at the very least in parallel). Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 14:19, 30 May 2026 (UTC) e6r0qjxatu5zecmdtv722qpquwnllhs 9217 9215 2026-05-30T14:40:34Z Feeglgeef 36 /* Copyvio section */ Reply 9217 wikitext text/x-wiki == Copyvio section == What exactly does "Just because text has been converted to Abstract Form does not mean the author loses the copyright on the idea, unless it is a basic statement of fact" mean? Ideas cannot be copyrighted. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 17:25, 21 May 2026 (UTC) :I agree that ideas cannot be copyrighted. On the other hand I think it would be a copyright violation if you take a Wikipedia article, transfer it to a abstract form, and get (more or less) the same result as the original article without proper attribution. --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 18:42, 21 May 2026 (UTC) :I shouldn't have put "idea." I mean like, if I open the first page of ''Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone'', if I put the concept of two people called "Mr. and Mrs. Dursley" and have them reside at a place called 4 Privet Drive, and described them as being proud to inform others that they were typical people, in abstract content, and then continue to copy the statements into abstract content down the page, I'm still violating Rowling's copyright, even though it might not output the exact text that was printed by Bloomsbury. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:17, 21 May 2026 (UTC) ::+1 this phrase (and the section more generally) is a good idea but is strangely worded. Also, in many (most?) cases, we could just remove the copyvio and delete the corresponding line in the history, a full deletion of the article is not always the solution. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 14:19, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::Yeah, for copyvios I was thinking where the whole article was a copyright violation, but that's not true in most cases, whereas the wording makes it out to be. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:40, 30 May 2026 (UTC) == Cart before the horse? == This is a very good draft but it seems to me that we should probably focus on [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability]] first (or at the very least in parallel). Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 14:19, 30 May 2026 (UTC) dklt5v98xhg1btu52ebzjmf5ymwr7nr 9218 9217 2026-05-30T14:41:46Z Feeglgeef 36 /* Cart before the horse? */ Reply 9218 wikitext text/x-wiki == Copyvio section == What exactly does "Just because text has been converted to Abstract Form does not mean the author loses the copyright on the idea, unless it is a basic statement of fact" mean? Ideas cannot be copyrighted. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 17:25, 21 May 2026 (UTC) :I agree that ideas cannot be copyrighted. On the other hand I think it would be a copyright violation if you take a Wikipedia article, transfer it to a abstract form, and get (more or less) the same result as the original article without proper attribution. --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 18:42, 21 May 2026 (UTC) :I shouldn't have put "idea." I mean like, if I open the first page of ''Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone'', if I put the concept of two people called "Mr. and Mrs. Dursley" and have them reside at a place called 4 Privet Drive, and described them as being proud to inform others that they were typical people, in abstract content, and then continue to copy the statements into abstract content down the page, I'm still violating Rowling's copyright, even though it might not output the exact text that was printed by Bloomsbury. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:17, 21 May 2026 (UTC) ::+1 this phrase (and the section more generally) is a good idea but is strangely worded. Also, in many (most?) cases, we could just remove the copyvio and delete the corresponding line in the history, a full deletion of the article is not always the solution. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 14:19, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::Yeah, for copyvios I was thinking where the whole article was a copyright violation, but that's not true in most cases, whereas the wording makes it out to be. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:40, 30 May 2026 (UTC) == Cart before the horse? == This is a very good draft but it seems to me that we should probably focus on [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability]] first (or at the very least in parallel). Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 14:19, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :There's an ongoing discussion on its talk page as to whether we should require a site link to an existing article, so we need to resolve that. 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class="mw-content-ltr"> which produces a table showing one's language abilities. </div> <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> It is rarely necessary or desirable to state that you have no capacity in a language. </div> <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> Adding this information to your userpage will categorize it in subcategories of [[:Category:Babel - Users by language|Babel – users by language]]. </div> [[Category:Abstract Wikipedia administration{{#translation:}}|Babel]] s9bn1pburyzcferol4us3my6ysv76g7 9253 9251 2026-05-31T07:19:51Z Ameisenigel 31 Created page with "Dies erzeugt eine Tabelle, welche die eigenen Sprachkenntnisse darstellt." 9253 wikitext text/x-wiki <languages/> Benutzer können ihre Sprachkenntnisse mithilfe von Funktionen wie der folgenden hinzufügen: <nowiki>{{#babel:en|es-2|pt-1|de-0}}</nowiki> Dies erzeugt eine Tabelle, welche die eigenen Sprachkenntnisse darstellt. <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> It is rarely necessary or desirable to state that you have no capacity in a language. </div> <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> Adding this information to your userpage will categorize it in subcategories of [[:Category:Babel - Users by language|Babel – users by language]]. </div> [[Category:Abstract Wikipedia administration{{#translation:}}|Babel]] nt23p7dejtlkeq4ononblvbti3w5v8z 9255 9253 2026-05-31T07:20:30Z Ameisenigel 31 Created page with "Es ist selten notwendig oder wünschenswert, anzugeben, dass man in einer Sprache über keinerlei Kenntnisse verfügt." 9255 wikitext text/x-wiki <languages/> Benutzer können ihre Sprachkenntnisse mithilfe von Funktionen wie der folgenden hinzufügen: <nowiki>{{#babel:en|es-2|pt-1|de-0}}</nowiki> Dies erzeugt eine Tabelle, welche die eigenen Sprachkenntnisse darstellt. Es ist selten notwendig oder wünschenswert, anzugeben, dass man in einer Sprache über keinerlei Kenntnisse verfügt. <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> Adding this information to your userpage will categorize it in subcategories of [[:Category:Babel - Users by language|Babel – users by language]]. </div> [[Category:Abstract Wikipedia administration{{#translation:}}|Babel]] e37gujvyfton2vzopni8rsys7tajuqp 9257 9255 2026-05-31T07:20:52Z Ameisenigel 31 Created page with "Das Hinzufügen dieser Information zu deiner Benutzerseite kategorisiert diese in Unterkategorien von [[$1|Babel – Benutzer nach Sprache]]." 9257 wikitext text/x-wiki <languages/> Benutzer können ihre Sprachkenntnisse mithilfe von Funktionen wie der folgenden hinzufügen: <nowiki>{{#babel:en|es-2|pt-1|de-0}}</nowiki> Dies erzeugt eine Tabelle, welche die eigenen Sprachkenntnisse darstellt. Es ist selten notwendig oder wünschenswert, anzugeben, dass man in einer Sprache über keinerlei Kenntnisse verfügt. Das Hinzufügen dieser Information zu deiner Benutzerseite kategorisiert diese in Unterkategorien von [[:Category:Babel - Users by language|Babel – Benutzer nach Sprache]]. [[Category:Abstract Wikipedia administration{{#translation:}}|Babel]] bgttooz7ecd9cu3n9bg1ybpu8d0b8lm 1198 3471 9250 2026-05-31T07:19:20Z Ameisenigel 31 Created page with "Benutzer können ihre Sprachkenntnisse mithilfe von Funktionen wie der folgenden hinzufügen:" 9250 wikitext text/x-wiki Benutzer können ihre Sprachkenntnisse mithilfe von Funktionen wie der folgenden hinzufügen: snpyxm2gldjbb4paxa3b1u4xlnvieta 1198 3472 9252 2026-05-31T07:19:50Z Ameisenigel 31 Created page with "Dies erzeugt eine Tabelle, welche die eigenen Sprachkenntnisse darstellt." 9252 wikitext text/x-wiki Dies erzeugt eine Tabelle, welche die eigenen Sprachkenntnisse darstellt. sfboaaioz63qpg6zdodi7ckanq4r711 1198 3473 9254 2026-05-31T07:20:11Z Ameisenigel 31 Created page with "Es ist selten notwendig oder wünschenswert, anzugeben, dass man in einer Sprache über keinerlei Kenntnisse verfügt." 9254 wikitext text/x-wiki Es ist selten notwendig oder wünschenswert, anzugeben, dass man in einer Sprache über keinerlei Kenntnisse verfügt. gnha3tbshazoo2nui9ko23fywyskdrx 1198 3474 9256 2026-05-31T07:20:52Z Ameisenigel 31 Created page with "Das Hinzufügen dieser Information zu deiner Benutzerseite kategorisiert diese in Unterkategorien von [[$1|Babel – Benutzer nach Sprache]]." 9256 wikitext text/x-wiki Das Hinzufügen dieser Information zu deiner Benutzerseite kategorisiert diese in Unterkategorien von [[$1|Babel – Benutzer nach Sprache]]. de2jazl8ri8x5vpwycdrtet55l1m2v4 1198 3475 9258 2026-05-31T07:21:26Z Ameisenigel 31 Created page with "Abstrakte Wikipedia:WikiProjekt" 9258 wikitext text/x-wiki Abstrakte Wikipedia:WikiProjekt gnqyx1i1l1jp82pagt01g3zupykx8qw 4 3476 9259 2026-05-31T07:21:27Z Ameisenigel 31 Created page with "Abstrakte Wikipedia:WikiProjekt" 9259 wikitext text/x-wiki <languages/> <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">A WikiProject is a group of contributors who want to work together as a team to improve Wikipedia. These groups often focus on a specific topic area, a specific part of the encyclopedia, or a specific kind of task.</span> == <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">Function</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> A WikiProject collaborates to improve a particular topic area. The group uses its WikiProject pages to develop ideas, discuss sources, maintain various collaborative processes, and keep track of work that needs to be done. </div> <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> The discussion pages attached to a project page are a convenient venue for those involved in that project to talk about what they are doing, to ask questions, and to receive advice from other people interested in the group's work. </div> <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> They typically are areas of interest or expertise and can be used for collaboration, coordination, competitions, outreach, decision-making, integration and mutual assistance. </div> <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> WikiProjects are not rule-making organizations, nor can they assert ownership of articles within a specific topic area. WikiProjects have no special rights or privileges compared to other editors and may not impose their preferences on articles. A WikiProject is fundamentally a social construct: its success depends on its ability to function as a cohesive group of editors working towards a common goal. </div> [[Category:WikiProjects| ]] rtxlb1utlv8yhnmyqztgkxpzegx87xj 9261 9259 2026-05-31T07:22:14Z Ameisenigel 31 Created page with "Ein WikiProjekt ist eine Gruppe von Beitragenden, die als Team zusammenarbeiten möchten, um Wikipedia zu verbessern. Diese Gruppen konzentrieren sich häufig auf ein bestimmtes Themengebiet, einen bestimmten Teil der Enzyklopädie oder eine bestimmte Art von Aufgabe." 9261 wikitext text/x-wiki <languages/> Ein WikiProjekt ist eine Gruppe von Beitragenden, die als Team zusammenarbeiten möchten, um Wikipedia zu verbessern. Diese Gruppen konzentrieren sich häufig auf ein bestimmtes Themengebiet, einen bestimmten Teil der Enzyklopädie oder eine bestimmte Art von Aufgabe. == <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">Function</span> == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> A WikiProject collaborates to improve a particular topic area. The group uses its WikiProject pages to develop ideas, discuss sources, maintain various collaborative processes, and keep track of work that needs to be done. </div> <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> The discussion pages attached to a project page are a convenient venue for those involved in that project to talk about what they are doing, to ask questions, and to receive advice from other people interested in the group's work. </div> <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> They typically are areas of interest or expertise and can be used for collaboration, coordination, competitions, outreach, decision-making, integration and mutual assistance. </div> <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> WikiProjects are not rule-making organizations, nor can they assert ownership of articles within a specific topic area. WikiProjects have no special rights or privileges compared to other editors and may not impose their preferences on articles. A WikiProject is fundamentally a social construct: its success depends on its ability to function as a cohesive group of editors working towards a common goal. </div> [[Category:WikiProjects| ]] spq71igo9pemsjyhtbrx4exi8st512x 9263 9261 2026-05-31T07:22:17Z Ameisenigel 31 Created page with "Funktion" 9263 wikitext text/x-wiki <languages/> Ein WikiProjekt ist eine Gruppe von Beitragenden, die als Team zusammenarbeiten möchten, um Wikipedia zu verbessern. Diese Gruppen konzentrieren sich häufig auf ein bestimmtes Themengebiet, einen bestimmten Teil der Enzyklopädie oder eine bestimmte Art von Aufgabe. == Funktion == <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> A WikiProject collaborates to improve a particular topic area. The group uses its WikiProject pages to develop ideas, discuss sources, maintain various collaborative processes, and keep track of work that needs to be done. </div> <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> The discussion pages attached to a project page are a convenient venue for those involved in that project to talk about what they are doing, to ask questions, and to receive advice from other people interested in the group's work. </div> <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> They typically are areas of interest or expertise and can be used for collaboration, coordination, competitions, outreach, decision-making, integration and mutual assistance. </div> <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> WikiProjects are not rule-making organizations, nor can they assert ownership of articles within a specific topic area. WikiProjects have no special rights or privileges compared to other editors and may not impose their preferences on articles. A WikiProject is fundamentally a social construct: its success depends on its ability to function as a cohesive group of editors working towards a common goal. </div> [[Category:WikiProjects| ]] i5bn5zd8gzmawmf3bb4jor44i14i8wn 9265 9263 2026-05-31T07:23:24Z Ameisenigel 31 Created page with "Ein WikiProjekt arbeitet gemeinsam daran, einen bestimmten Themenbereich zu verbessern. Die Gruppe nutzt ihre WikiProjekt-Seiten, um Ideen zu entwickeln, Quellen zu diskutieren, verschiedene gemeinschaftliche Prozesse zu pflegen und den Überblick über zu erledigende Aufgaben zu behalten." 9265 wikitext text/x-wiki <languages/> Ein WikiProjekt ist eine Gruppe von Beitragenden, die als Team zusammenarbeiten möchten, um Wikipedia zu verbessern. Diese Gruppen konzentrieren sich häufig auf ein bestimmtes Themengebiet, einen bestimmten Teil der Enzyklopädie oder eine bestimmte Art von Aufgabe. == Funktion == Ein WikiProjekt arbeitet gemeinsam daran, einen bestimmten Themenbereich zu verbessern. Die Gruppe nutzt ihre WikiProjekt-Seiten, um Ideen zu entwickeln, Quellen zu diskutieren, verschiedene gemeinschaftliche Prozesse zu pflegen und den Überblick über zu erledigende Aufgaben zu behalten. <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> The discussion pages attached to a project page are a convenient venue for those involved in that project to talk about what they are doing, to ask questions, and to receive advice from other people interested in the group's work. </div> <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> They typically are areas of interest or expertise and can be used for collaboration, coordination, competitions, outreach, decision-making, integration and mutual assistance. </div> <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> WikiProjects are not rule-making organizations, nor can they assert ownership of articles within a specific topic area. WikiProjects have no special rights or privileges compared to other editors and may not impose their preferences on articles. A WikiProject is fundamentally a social construct: its success depends on its ability to function as a cohesive group of editors working towards a common goal. </div> [[Category:WikiProjects| ]] m2pqkt6elgyd8i7dpt9blbjdf7x0ucq 9267 9265 2026-05-31T07:24:08Z Ameisenigel 31 Created page with "Die zu einer Projektseite zugehörigen Diskussionsseiten bieten den am Projekt Beteiligten eine praktische Plattform, um sich über ihre Arbeit auszutauschen, Fragen zu stellen und Ratschläge von anderen Personen einzuholen, die an der Arbeit der Gruppe interessiert sind." 9267 wikitext text/x-wiki <languages/> Ein WikiProjekt ist eine Gruppe von Beitragenden, die als Team zusammenarbeiten möchten, um Wikipedia zu verbessern. Diese Gruppen konzentrieren sich häufig auf ein bestimmtes Themengebiet, einen bestimmten Teil der Enzyklopädie oder eine bestimmte Art von Aufgabe. == Funktion == Ein WikiProjekt arbeitet gemeinsam daran, einen bestimmten Themenbereich zu verbessern. Die Gruppe nutzt ihre WikiProjekt-Seiten, um Ideen zu entwickeln, Quellen zu diskutieren, verschiedene gemeinschaftliche Prozesse zu pflegen und den Überblick über zu erledigende Aufgaben zu behalten. Die zu einer Projektseite zugehörigen Diskussionsseiten bieten den am Projekt Beteiligten eine praktische Plattform, um sich über ihre Arbeit auszutauschen, Fragen zu stellen und Ratschläge von anderen Personen einzuholen, die an der Arbeit der Gruppe interessiert sind. <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> They typically are areas of interest or expertise and can be used for collaboration, coordination, competitions, outreach, decision-making, integration and mutual assistance. </div> <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> WikiProjects are not rule-making organizations, nor can they assert ownership of articles within a specific topic area. WikiProjects have no special rights or privileges compared to other editors and may not impose their preferences on articles. A WikiProject is fundamentally a social construct: its success depends on its ability to function as a cohesive group of editors working towards a common goal. </div> [[Category:WikiProjects| ]] 1qtmbqjv1zpq183nl5o8w14n51q0w5x 9269 9267 2026-05-31T07:24:35Z Ameisenigel 31 Created page with "Typischerweise handelt es sich dabei um Interessens- oder Fachgebiete, die für Zusammenarbeit, Koordination, Wettbewerbe, Öffentlichkeitsarbeit, Entscheidungsfindung, Integration und gegenseitige Unterstützung genutzt werden können." 9269 wikitext text/x-wiki <languages/> Ein WikiProjekt ist eine Gruppe von Beitragenden, die als Team zusammenarbeiten möchten, um Wikipedia zu verbessern. Diese Gruppen konzentrieren sich häufig auf ein bestimmtes Themengebiet, einen bestimmten Teil der Enzyklopädie oder eine bestimmte Art von Aufgabe. == Funktion == Ein WikiProjekt arbeitet gemeinsam daran, einen bestimmten Themenbereich zu verbessern. Die Gruppe nutzt ihre WikiProjekt-Seiten, um Ideen zu entwickeln, Quellen zu diskutieren, verschiedene gemeinschaftliche Prozesse zu pflegen und den Überblick über zu erledigende Aufgaben zu behalten. Die zu einer Projektseite zugehörigen Diskussionsseiten bieten den am Projekt Beteiligten eine praktische Plattform, um sich über ihre Arbeit auszutauschen, Fragen zu stellen und Ratschläge von anderen Personen einzuholen, die an der Arbeit der Gruppe interessiert sind. Typischerweise handelt es sich dabei um Interessens- oder Fachgebiete, die für Zusammenarbeit, Koordination, Wettbewerbe, Öffentlichkeitsarbeit, Entscheidungsfindung, Integration und gegenseitige Unterstützung genutzt werden können. <div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"> WikiProjects are not rule-making organizations, nor can they assert ownership of articles within a specific topic area. WikiProjects have no special rights or privileges compared to other editors and may not impose their preferences on articles. A WikiProject is fundamentally a social construct: its success depends on its ability to function as a cohesive group of editors working towards a common goal. </div> [[Category:WikiProjects| ]] grv0wlwqc17uqr2k8yrqom7k788dbg0 9271 9269 2026-05-31T07:25:51Z Ameisenigel 31 Created page with "WikiProjekte sind keine regelerstellenden Organisationen, noch können sie Eigentumsansprüche an Artikeln innerhalb eines bestimmten Themengebiets erheben. WikiProjekte besitzen im Vergleich zu anderen Autoren keine Sonderrechte oder Privilegien und dürfen ihre Präferenzen Artikeln nicht aufzwingen. Ein WikiProjekt ist im Grunde ein soziales Konstrukt: Sein Erfolg hängt von seiner Fähigkeit ab, als eine geschlossene Gruppe von Autoren zu fungieren, die auf ein gemei..." 9271 wikitext text/x-wiki <languages/> Ein WikiProjekt ist eine Gruppe von Beitragenden, die als Team zusammenarbeiten möchten, um Wikipedia zu verbessern. Diese Gruppen konzentrieren sich häufig auf ein bestimmtes Themengebiet, einen bestimmten Teil der Enzyklopädie oder eine bestimmte Art von Aufgabe. == Funktion == Ein WikiProjekt arbeitet gemeinsam daran, einen bestimmten Themenbereich zu verbessern. Die Gruppe nutzt ihre WikiProjekt-Seiten, um Ideen zu entwickeln, Quellen zu diskutieren, verschiedene gemeinschaftliche Prozesse zu pflegen und den Überblick über zu erledigende Aufgaben zu behalten. Die zu einer Projektseite zugehörigen Diskussionsseiten bieten den am Projekt Beteiligten eine praktische Plattform, um sich über ihre Arbeit auszutauschen, Fragen zu stellen und Ratschläge von anderen Personen einzuholen, die an der Arbeit der Gruppe interessiert sind. Typischerweise handelt es sich dabei um Interessens- oder Fachgebiete, die für Zusammenarbeit, Koordination, Wettbewerbe, Öffentlichkeitsarbeit, Entscheidungsfindung, Integration und gegenseitige Unterstützung genutzt werden können. WikiProjekte sind keine regelerstellenden Organisationen, noch können sie Eigentumsansprüche an Artikeln innerhalb eines bestimmten Themengebiets erheben. WikiProjekte besitzen im Vergleich zu anderen Autoren keine Sonderrechte oder Privilegien und dürfen ihre Präferenzen Artikeln nicht aufzwingen. Ein WikiProjekt ist im Grunde ein soziales Konstrukt: Sein Erfolg hängt von seiner Fähigkeit ab, als eine geschlossene Gruppe von Autoren zu fungieren, die auf ein gemeinsames Ziel hinarbeitet. [[Category:WikiProjects| ]] hjd1ux9h6bkru7pnzr6fwi00jwj8uvp 1198 3477 9260 2026-05-31T07:22:13Z Ameisenigel 31 Created page with "Ein WikiProjekt ist eine Gruppe von Beitragenden, die als Team zusammenarbeiten möchten, um Wikipedia zu verbessern. Diese Gruppen konzentrieren sich häufig auf ein bestimmtes Themengebiet, einen bestimmten Teil der Enzyklopädie oder eine bestimmte Art von Aufgabe." 9260 wikitext text/x-wiki Ein WikiProjekt ist eine Gruppe von Beitragenden, die als Team zusammenarbeiten möchten, um Wikipedia zu verbessern. Diese Gruppen konzentrieren sich häufig auf ein bestimmtes Themengebiet, einen bestimmten Teil der Enzyklopädie oder eine bestimmte Art von Aufgabe. hb3sl6mltxulw2rnv19bqtysd0ptmyp 1198 3478 9262 2026-05-31T07:22:16Z Ameisenigel 31 Created page with "Funktion" 9262 wikitext text/x-wiki Funktion 8q8khvlp2atmeazfsck98qf7fracf1b 1198 3479 9264 2026-05-31T07:23:24Z Ameisenigel 31 Created page with "Ein WikiProjekt arbeitet gemeinsam daran, einen bestimmten Themenbereich zu verbessern. Die Gruppe nutzt ihre WikiProjekt-Seiten, um Ideen zu entwickeln, Quellen zu diskutieren, verschiedene gemeinschaftliche Prozesse zu pflegen und den Überblick über zu erledigende Aufgaben zu behalten." 9264 wikitext text/x-wiki Ein WikiProjekt arbeitet gemeinsam daran, einen bestimmten Themenbereich zu verbessern. Die Gruppe nutzt ihre WikiProjekt-Seiten, um Ideen zu entwickeln, Quellen zu diskutieren, verschiedene gemeinschaftliche Prozesse zu pflegen und den Überblick über zu erledigende Aufgaben zu behalten. q6d2clypxzarf7txa0e3tvjyx3jq0tn 1198 3480 9266 2026-05-31T07:24:07Z Ameisenigel 31 Created page with "Die zu einer Projektseite zugehörigen Diskussionsseiten bieten den am Projekt Beteiligten eine praktische Plattform, um sich über ihre Arbeit auszutauschen, Fragen zu stellen und Ratschläge von anderen Personen einzuholen, die an der Arbeit der Gruppe interessiert sind." 9266 wikitext text/x-wiki Die zu einer Projektseite zugehörigen Diskussionsseiten bieten den am Projekt Beteiligten eine praktische Plattform, um sich über ihre Arbeit auszutauschen, Fragen zu stellen und Ratschläge von anderen Personen einzuholen, die an der Arbeit der Gruppe interessiert sind. ine1foe1wjmycbzvn7my8v1d52b66zo 1198 3481 9268 2026-05-31T07:24:34Z Ameisenigel 31 Created page with "Typischerweise handelt es sich dabei um Interessens- oder Fachgebiete, die für Zusammenarbeit, Koordination, Wettbewerbe, Öffentlichkeitsarbeit, Entscheidungsfindung, Integration und gegenseitige Unterstützung genutzt werden können." 9268 wikitext text/x-wiki Typischerweise handelt es sich dabei um Interessens- oder Fachgebiete, die für Zusammenarbeit, Koordination, Wettbewerbe, Öffentlichkeitsarbeit, Entscheidungsfindung, Integration und gegenseitige Unterstützung genutzt werden können. fnc1jfjqyqm2p2atc7lnvi438tx466s 1198 3482 9270 2026-05-31T07:25:50Z Ameisenigel 31 Created page with "WikiProjekte sind keine regelerstellenden Organisationen, noch können sie Eigentumsansprüche an Artikeln innerhalb eines bestimmten Themengebiets erheben. WikiProjekte besitzen im Vergleich zu anderen Autoren keine Sonderrechte oder Privilegien und dürfen ihre Präferenzen Artikeln nicht aufzwingen. Ein WikiProjekt ist im Grunde ein soziales Konstrukt: Sein Erfolg hängt von seiner Fähigkeit ab, als eine geschlossene Gruppe von Autoren zu fungieren, die auf ein gemei..." 9270 wikitext text/x-wiki WikiProjekte sind keine regelerstellenden Organisationen, noch können sie Eigentumsansprüche an Artikeln innerhalb eines bestimmten Themengebiets erheben. WikiProjekte besitzen im Vergleich zu anderen Autoren keine Sonderrechte oder Privilegien und dürfen ihre Präferenzen Artikeln nicht aufzwingen. Ein WikiProjekt ist im Grunde ein soziales Konstrukt: Sein Erfolg hängt von seiner Fähigkeit ab, als eine geschlossene Gruppe von Autoren zu fungieren, die auf ein gemeinsames Ziel hinarbeitet. hb22nr1v6q9f7bv8pjlkwjvi9jtnbfa 1198 3483 9272 2026-05-31T07:26:35Z Ameisenigel 31 Created page with "Abstrakte Wikipedia:Administratoren" 9272 wikitext text/x-wiki Abstrakte Wikipedia:Administratoren 4q4nbs7inxnos6m17dczwuv72d5o2ue 4 3484 9273 2026-05-31T07:26:36Z Ameisenigel 31 Created page with "Abstrakte Wikipedia:Administratoren" 9273 wikitext text/x-wiki <languages/> <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">'''Administrators''' or '''sysops''' are users with extra permissions. They can delete pages, protect pages, block users and do a variety of other tasks.</span> === <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">List of administrators</span> === <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">Currently, there are [[Special:ListUsers/sysop|{{#expr:{{NUMBERINGROUP:sysop}} - 1<!-- Abuse filter -->}}]] administrators.</span> == <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">Translation administrators</span> == <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">'''Translation administrators''' are users who have the technical ability to mark pages for translation using the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Translate|page translation]] tool.</span> === <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">List of translation administrators</span> === <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">Currently, there are [[Special:ListUsers/translationadmin|{{#expr:{{NUMBERINGROUP:translationadmin}}-1}}]] community translation administrators.</span> [[Category:Abstract Wikipedia administration{{#translation:}}|Administrators]] jgx5w9rj16p6lkqtxvf7qi9nprjexmy 9275 9273 2026-05-31T07:27:26Z Ameisenigel 31 Created page with "'''Administratoren''' oder '''Sysops''' sind Benutzer mit erweiterten Rechten. Sie können Seiten löschen, Seiten schützen, Benutzer sperren und eine Vielzahl weiterer Aufgaben ausführen." 9275 wikitext text/x-wiki <languages/> '''Administratoren''' oder '''Sysops''' sind Benutzer mit erweiterten Rechten. 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Sie können Seiten löschen, Seiten schützen, Benutzer sperren und eine Vielzahl weiterer Aufgaben ausführen. === Liste von Administratoren === Derzeit gibt es [[Special:ListUsers/sysop|{{#expr:{{NUMBERINGROUP:sysop}} - 1<!-- Abuse filter -->}}]] Administratoren. == <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">Translation administrators</span> == <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">'''Translation administrators''' are users who have the technical ability to mark pages for translation using the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Translate|page translation]] tool.</span> === <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">List of translation administrators</span> === <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">Currently, there are [[Special:ListUsers/translationadmin|{{#expr:{{NUMBERINGROUP:translationadmin}}-1}}]] community translation administrators.</span> [[Category:Abstract Wikipedia administration{{#translation:}}|Administrators]] rsje31qibb4q5gl7u1zx2i2qfe9ok4z 9281 9279 2026-05-31T07:27:56Z Ameisenigel 31 Created page with "Übersetzungsadministratoren" 9281 wikitext text/x-wiki <languages/> '''Administratoren''' oder '''Sysops''' sind Benutzer mit erweiterten Rechten. Sie können Seiten löschen, Seiten schützen, Benutzer sperren und eine Vielzahl weiterer Aufgaben ausführen. === Liste von Administratoren === Derzeit gibt es [[Special:ListUsers/sysop|{{#expr:{{NUMBERINGROUP:sysop}} - 1<!-- Abuse filter -->}}]] Administratoren. == Übersetzungsadministratoren == <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">'''Translation administrators''' are users who have the technical ability to mark pages for translation using the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Translate|page translation]] tool.</span> === <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">List of translation administrators</span> === <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">Currently, there are [[Special:ListUsers/translationadmin|{{#expr:{{NUMBERINGROUP:translationadmin}}-1}}]] community translation administrators.</span> [[Category:Abstract Wikipedia administration{{#translation:}}|Administrators]] r8wddwbmkje74s9ies8il6acd5trefa 9283 9281 2026-05-31T07:28:28Z Ameisenigel 31 Created page with "'''Übersetzungsadministratoren''' sind Benutzer, die über die technischen Möglichkeiten verfügen, Seiten mithilfe des Werkzeugs zur [[$1|Seitenübersetzung]] für die Übersetzung zu markieren." 9283 wikitext text/x-wiki <languages/> '''Administratoren''' oder '''Sysops''' sind Benutzer mit erweiterten Rechten. Sie können Seiten löschen, Seiten schützen, Benutzer sperren und eine Vielzahl weiterer Aufgaben ausführen. === Liste von Administratoren === Derzeit gibt es [[Special:ListUsers/sysop|{{#expr:{{NUMBERINGROUP:sysop}} - 1<!-- Abuse filter -->}}]] Administratoren. == Übersetzungsadministratoren == '''Übersetzungsadministratoren''' sind Benutzer, die über die technischen Möglichkeiten verfügen, Seiten mithilfe des Werkzeugs zur [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Translate|Seitenübersetzung]] für die Übersetzung zu markieren. === <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">List of translation administrators</span> === <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">Currently, there are [[Special:ListUsers/translationadmin|{{#expr:{{NUMBERINGROUP:translationadmin}}-1}}]] community translation administrators.</span> [[Category:Abstract Wikipedia administration{{#translation:}}|Administrators]] kkxfe6ee8o4nuo3eyskmbnrpvq8o6u9 9285 9283 2026-05-31T07:28:31Z Ameisenigel 31 Created page with "Liste von Übersetzungsadministratoren" 9285 wikitext text/x-wiki <languages/> '''Administratoren''' oder '''Sysops''' sind Benutzer mit erweiterten Rechten. Sie können Seiten löschen, Seiten schützen, Benutzer sperren und eine Vielzahl weiterer Aufgaben ausführen. === Liste von Administratoren === Derzeit gibt es [[Special:ListUsers/sysop|{{#expr:{{NUMBERINGROUP:sysop}} - 1<!-- Abuse filter -->}}]] Administratoren. == Übersetzungsadministratoren == '''Übersetzungsadministratoren''' sind Benutzer, die über die technischen Möglichkeiten verfügen, Seiten mithilfe des Werkzeugs zur [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Extension:Translate|Seitenübersetzung]] für die Übersetzung zu markieren. === Liste von Übersetzungsadministratoren === <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">Currently, there are [[Special:ListUsers/translationadmin|{{#expr:{{NUMBERINGROUP:translationadmin}}-1}}]] community translation administrators.</span> [[Category:Abstract Wikipedia administration{{#translation:}}|Administrators]] nz2p33bhnaxu0lszd4dtw7eou6wn9iu 9287 9285 2026-05-31T07:29:00Z Ameisenigel 31 Created page with "Derzeit gibt es $1 Übersetzungsadministratoren aus der Community." 9287 wikitext text/x-wiki <languages/> '''Administratoren''' oder '''Sysops''' sind Benutzer mit erweiterten Rechten. 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