Abstract Wikipedia abstractwiki https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia:Main_page MediaWiki 1.47.0-wmf.7 first-letter Media Special Talk User User talk Abstract Wikipedia Abstract Wikipedia talk File File talk MediaWiki MediaWiki talk Template Template talk Help Help talk Category Category talk TimedText TimedText talk Module Module talk Translations Translations talk 2 1117 10853 10786 2026-06-21T08:37:26Z HenkvD 1447 10853 wikitext text/x-wiki {| border="1" style="float: right; margin-left: 1em; margin-bottom: 0.5em; border: #99B3FF solid 1px; background: #F1F8F1; border-collapse: collapse; color:black" | | colspan="10" style="text-align:center;" | <div class="plainlinks">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;'''Gebruiker:HenkvD''' op [[commons:Template talk:Sisterlinks|zusterprojecten]]</div> |- | valign="top" align="center" | [[Image:Wikipedia-logo.png|18px]]<br>Wikipedia<br>[[:de:Benutzer:HenkvD|de:]] [[:en:User:HenkvD|en:]] [[:fr:Utilisateur:HenkvD|fr:]] '''[[:nl:User:HenkvD|nl:]]''' | valign="top" align="center" | [[Image:Wiktionary-logo-en.png|17px]]<br>Wiktionary<br>[[:wikt:en:User:HenkvD|en:]]<br />[http://www.omegawiki.org/index.php/User:HenkvD ΩWiki] | valign="top" align="center" | [[Image:Wikinews-logo.png|35px]]<br>Wikinews<br>[[wikinews:User:HenkvD|en:]] [[:n:nl:User:HenkvD|nl:]]<br><div class="plainlinks">[http://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:HenkvD nl: in incubator]</div> | valign="top" align="center" | [[Image:Wikiquote-logo.png|16px]]<br>Wikiquote<br>[[:q:en:User:HenkvD|en:]] |- | valign="top" align="center" | [[Image:Wikibooks-logo.png|18px]]<br>Wikibooks<br>[[:b:en:User:HenkvD|en:]] | valign="top" align="center" | [[Image:Wikisource-logo.png|18px]]<br>Wikisource<br>[[:s:en:User:HenkvD|en:]] '''[[:s:nl:Gebruiker:HenkvD|nl:]]''' <div class="plainlinks">[http://wikisource.org/wiki/User:HenkvD old]</div> | valign="top" align="center" | [[Image:Wikiversity-logo-en.svg|18px]]<br>Wikiversity<br>[[:de:v:User:HenkvD|de:]] [[:en:v:User:HenkvD|en:]] | valign="top" align="center" | [[Image:Wikimedia-logo.png|18px]]<br>[[:meta:User:HenkvD|Meta]]<br><div class="plainlinks">[http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:HenkvD Strategy]<br><div class="plainlinks">'''[http://nl.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gebruiker:HenkvD nl:]'''</div></div> |- | valign="top" align="center" | [[Image:Wikivoyage-Logo-v3-icon.svg|16px]]<br>Wikivoyage<br>[[:en:voy:User:HenkvD|en:]] | valign="top" align="center" | [[File:Wikidata-logo.svg|19px|Wikidata]]<br><div class="plainlinks">[http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:HenkvD Wikidata]</div> | valign="top" align="center" | [[Image:Commons-logo.svg|14px]]<br>[[:Commons:User:HenkvD|Commons]] | valign="top" align="center" | [[File:Wikifunctions-logo.svg|14px]] [[File:Abstract-Wikipedia-wordmark.svg|42px]]<br>[[f:User:HenkvD|Wikifunctions]] <br>'''AbstractWiki''' |} My name is Henk, from [[Q55|the Netherlands]] ([[:nl:Gebruiker:HenkvD]]). I am interested in Abstract Wikipedia functionality and have general knowledge of the Dutch language (as native speaker). As most other Dutch persons I have good knowledge of English and some of German and a bit of French and Romance languages.<br> I have an IT background, and try to understand the programming in Wikifunctions.<br> I will try to analyse Wikifunction, Wikidata, lexemes and add Wikifunction tests if needed. In my opinion the initial goal is to have Abstract Wikipedia pages with simple lead section (like stubs), an infobox fully from Wikidata, one or more images and maybe some simple lists. The simple lead sentences should function for as many languages as possible. That will also need that many languages will have labels in Wikidata and lexemes with genders. That will be a difficult enough to achieve. In my opinion extensive prose will be very hard to achieve. <br clear=all> {{#babel:nl|en-3|de-2|fr-1}} {| class="wikitable" ! ZID !! Example !! English !! Dutch || Other simple languages || Default |- | [[f:Z26039|Z26039]] A is a B. || [[Q90]] || Paris is a city. || Parijs is een stad || af bar bs eo frr fy hsb is mk nds os pap sr || Y |- | [[f:Z26095|Z26095]] an A is a B. || [[Q2102]] || a snake is a reptile / snakes ⊆ reptiles? || || || |- | [[f:Z26570|Z26570]] A is a B in C. || [[Q55]] || Netherlands is a country in Europe || Nederland is een land in Europa. || af bar eo frr fy mk pap || Y |- | [[f:Z32581|Z32581]] A is a B by C. || [[Q12418]] || Mona Lisa is a painting by Leonardo da Vinci. || Mona Lisa is een schilderij van Leonardo da Vinci. || af eo fy is mk os pap || Y |- | [[f:Z32982|Z32982]] A is a B of C. || [[Q718]] || Chess is a game of strategy. || Schaken is a spel of strategie. || af eo fy mk nl pap || (Monolingual) |- | [[f:Z28016|Z28016]] A is the B of C. || [[Q90]] || Paris is the capital of France. || Parijs is de hoofdstad van Frankrijk || af eo mk pap || Y |- | [[f:Z34282|Z34282]] A is a B. (automatic based on Wikidata class) || [[Q13924]] || Adriatic Sea is a sea || Adriatische Zee is een zee. || || |- | [[f:Z34637|Z34637]] A is part of the B. (automatic based on Wikidata class) || [[Q13924]] || Adriatic Sea is part of the Mediterranean Sea. || || |- | || [[Q1033]] || Nigeria is the most populous country in Africa. || || || |- | || [[Q11750]] || list of sovereign states || || || N/A |- | [[f:Z35167|Z35167]] Infobox person || || OK || [https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Z35167?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z35167%22%2C%22Z35167K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z6821%22%2C%22Z6821K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q154946%22%7D%7D%2C%22Z35167K2%22%3A%22Z1157%22%7D OK] || OK (some labels needed, via P1629) || N/A |- | [[f:Z36494|Z36494]] infobox for settlement || || timeout || || || N/A |} First steps to get Abstract Wikipedia started: * Basic functions on Wikifunctions * Wikidata labels * Link Wikidata Q-items to Lexemes / gender of lexemes on Wikidata Natural Language * [[f:Wikifunctions:NLG functions|Wikifunctions:NLG functions]] * [[f:Wikifunctions:Catalogue/Natural language operations/Global language functions|Wikifunctions:Catalogue/Natural language operations/Global language functions]] Dutch language * [[f:Wikifunctions:Catalogue/Natural language operations/Dutch|Wikifunctions:Catalogue/Natural language operations/Dutch]] {{AbstractTestLemma}} {| class="wikitable" ! Function !! English !! Z1157 Dutch !! Z60 Local language |- | <nowiki>{{#function:</nowiki>[[f:Z26039|Z26039]]<nowiki>|Q64|Q515|Z1002}}</nowiki> | {{#function:Z26039|Q64|Q515|Z1002}} || {{#function:Z26039|Q64|Q515|Z1157}} || {{#function:Z26039|Q64|Q515|Z60}} |} Testing different NLG Default texts : <span lang="mul">NLG Default text</span> : ≪NLG Default text≫ : ❗NLG Default text❗ : ≪❗NLG Default text❗≫ : ❗≪NLG Default text≫❗ : ❌NLG Default text❌ : ❌≪NLG Default text≫❌ : ≪❌NLG Default text❌≫ 1eesbhjy91ckdkh1y0ypg1lzzdpu3wu 10854 10853 2026-06-21T08:41:04Z HenkvD 1447 10854 wikitext text/x-wiki {| border="1" style="float: right; margin-left: 1em; margin-bottom: 0.5em; border: #99B3FF solid 1px; background: #F1F8F1; border-collapse: collapse; color:black" | | colspan="10" style="text-align:center;" | <div class="plainlinks">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;'''Gebruiker:HenkvD''' op [[commons:Template talk:Sisterlinks|zusterprojecten]]</div> |- | valign="top" align="center" | [[Image:Wikipedia-logo.png|18px]]<br>Wikipedia<br>[[:de:Benutzer:HenkvD|de:]] [[:en:User:HenkvD|en:]] [[:fr:Utilisateur:HenkvD|fr:]] '''[[:nl:User:HenkvD|nl:]]''' | valign="top" align="center" | [[Image:Wiktionary-logo-en.png|17px]]<br>Wiktionary<br>[[:wikt:en:User:HenkvD|en:]]<br />[http://www.omegawiki.org/index.php/User:HenkvD ΩWiki] | valign="top" align="center" | [[Image:Wikinews-logo.png|35px]]<br>Wikinews<br>[[wikinews:User:HenkvD|en:]] [[:n:nl:User:HenkvD|nl:]]<br><div class="plainlinks">[http://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:HenkvD nl: in incubator]</div> | valign="top" align="center" | [[Image:Wikiquote-logo.png|16px]]<br>Wikiquote<br>[[:q:en:User:HenkvD|en:]] |- | valign="top" align="center" | [[Image:Wikibooks-logo.png|18px]]<br>Wikibooks<br>[[:b:en:User:HenkvD|en:]] | valign="top" align="center" | [[Image:Wikisource-logo.png|18px]]<br>Wikisource<br>[[:s:en:User:HenkvD|en:]] '''[[:s:nl:Gebruiker:HenkvD|nl:]]''' <div class="plainlinks">[http://wikisource.org/wiki/User:HenkvD old]</div> | valign="top" align="center" | [[Image:Wikiversity-logo-en.svg|18px]]<br>Wikiversity<br>[[:de:v:User:HenkvD|de:]] [[:en:v:User:HenkvD|en:]] | valign="top" align="center" | [[Image:Wikimedia-logo.png|18px]]<br>[[:meta:User:HenkvD|Meta]]<br><div class="plainlinks">[http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:HenkvD Strategy]<br><div class="plainlinks">'''[http://nl.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gebruiker:HenkvD nl:]'''</div></div> |- | valign="top" align="center" | [[Image:Wikivoyage-Logo-v3-icon.svg|16px]]<br>Wikivoyage<br>[[:en:voy:User:HenkvD|en:]] | valign="top" align="center" | [[File:Wikidata-logo.svg|19px|Wikidata]]<br><div class="plainlinks">[http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:HenkvD Wikidata]</div> | valign="top" align="center" | [[Image:Commons-logo.svg|14px]]<br>[[:Commons:User:HenkvD|Commons]] | valign="top" align="center" | [[File:Wikifunctions-logo.svg|14px]] [[File:Abstract-Wikipedia-wordmark.svg|42px]]<br>[[f:User:HenkvD|Wikifunctions]] <br>'''AbstractWiki''' |} My name is Henk, from [[Q55|the Netherlands]] ([[:nl:Gebruiker:HenkvD]]). I am interested in Abstract Wikipedia functionality and have general knowledge of the Dutch language (as native speaker). As most other Dutch persons I have good knowledge of English and some of German and a bit of French and Romance languages.<br> I have an IT background, and try to understand the programming in Wikifunctions.<br> I will try to analyse Wikifunction, Wikidata, lexemes and add Wikifunction tests if needed. In my opinion the initial goal is to have Abstract Wikipedia pages with simple lead section (like stubs), an infobox fully from Wikidata, one or more images and maybe some simple lists. The simple lead sentences should function for as many languages as possible. That will also need that many languages will have labels in Wikidata and lexemes with genders. That will be a difficult enough to achieve. In my opinion extensive prose will be very hard to achieve. <br clear=all> {{#babel:nl|en-3|de-2|fr-1}} {| class="wikitable" ! ZID !! Example !! English !! Dutch || Other simple languages || Default |- | [[f:Z26039|Z26039]] A is a B. || [[Q90]] || Paris is a city. || Parijs is een stad || af bar bs eo frr fy hsb is mk nds os pap sr || Y |- | [[f:Z26095|Z26095]] an A is a B. || [[Q2102]] || a snake is a reptile / snakes ⊆ reptiles? || || || |- | [[f:Z26570|Z26570]] A is a B in C. || [[Q55]] || Netherlands is a country in Europe || Nederland is een land in Europa. || af bar eo frr fy mk pap || Y |- | [[f:Z32581|Z32581]] A is a B by C. || [[Q12418]] || Mona Lisa is a painting by Leonardo da Vinci. || Mona Lisa is een schilderij van Leonardo da Vinci. || af eo fy is mk os pap || Y |- | [[f:Z32982|Z32982]] A is a B of C. || [[Q718]] || Chess is a game of strategy. || Schaken is een spel van strategie. || af eo fy mk nl pap || (Monolingual) |- | [[f:Z28016|Z28016]] A is the B of C. || [[Q90]] || Paris is the capital of France. || Parijs is de hoofdstad van Frankrijk || af eo mk pap || Y |- | [[f:Z34282|Z34282]] A is a B. (automatic based on Wikidata class) || [[Q13924]] || Adriatic Sea is a sea || Adriatische Zee is een zee. || || |- | [[f:Z34637|Z34637]] A is part of the B. (automatic based on Wikidata class) || [[Q13924]] || Adriatic Sea is part of the Mediterranean Sea. || || |- | || [[Q1033]] || Nigeria is the most populous country in Africa. || || || |- | || [[Q11750]] || list of sovereign states || || || N/A |- | [[f:Z35167|Z35167]] Infobox person || || OK || [https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Z35167?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z35167%22%2C%22Z35167K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z6821%22%2C%22Z6821K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6091%22%2C%22Z6091K1%22%3A%22Q154946%22%7D%7D%2C%22Z35167K2%22%3A%22Z1157%22%7D OK] || OK (some labels needed, via P1629) || N/A |- | [[f:Z36494|Z36494]] infobox for settlement || || timeout || || || N/A |} First steps to get Abstract Wikipedia started: * Basic functions on Wikifunctions * Wikidata labels * Link Wikidata Q-items to Lexemes / gender of lexemes on Wikidata Natural Language * [[f:Wikifunctions:NLG functions|Wikifunctions:NLG functions]] * [[f:Wikifunctions:Catalogue/Natural language operations/Global language functions|Wikifunctions:Catalogue/Natural language operations/Global language functions]] Dutch language * [[f:Wikifunctions:Catalogue/Natural language operations/Dutch|Wikifunctions:Catalogue/Natural language operations/Dutch]] {{AbstractTestLemma}} {| class="wikitable" ! Function !! English !! Z1157 Dutch !! Z60 Local language |- | <nowiki>{{#function:</nowiki>[[f:Z26039|Z26039]]<nowiki>|Q64|Q515|Z1002}}</nowiki> | {{#function:Z26039|Q64|Q515|Z1002}} || {{#function:Z26039|Q64|Q515|Z1157}} || {{#function:Z26039|Q64|Q515|Z60}} |} Testing different NLG Default texts : <span lang="mul">NLG Default text</span> : ≪NLG Default text≫ : ❗NLG Default text❗ : ≪❗NLG Default text❗≫ : ❗≪NLG Default text≫❗ : ❌NLG Default text❌ : ❌≪NLG Default text≫❌ : ≪❌NLG Default text❌≫ nw1fvg3aoy25apylkg8s6bn7dfsrxkc 10 2061 10839 10793 2026-06-20T17:37:51Z Ameisenigel 31 Created page with "[[$1|2026-06-19]]: Der/die/das oder nicht, (das?) ist hier die Frage" 10839 wikitext text/x-wiki <noinclude><languages /></noinclude> <div style="margin: auto; vertical-align:top"> <div class="mainpage_boxcontents_small"> ;Freiwilligentreffen * Das nächste Freiwilligentreffen findet um <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1783359000 17:30 UTC on 2026-07-06]</bdi> auf <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">Google Meet</bdi> unter <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[https://meet.google.com/xuy-njxh-rkw meet.google.com/xuy-njxh-rkw]</bdi> statt. * Das [[:c:File:Abstract Wikipedia Volunteer Corner 2026-06.webm|letzte Freiwilligentreffen]] ist auf Commons verfügbar. ; Aktuelle Neuigkeiten zum Status von Wikifunctions <!--Keep this to the most recent 5 entries--> * [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-06-19|2026-06-19]]: Der/die/das oder nicht, (das?) ist hier die Frage * [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-06-12|2026-06-12]]: Verbessertes Laden und Anzeigen von Testergebnissen * [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-06-05|2026-06-05]]: Die illustrierte Enzyklopädie * [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-30|2026-05-30]]: Rückblick und Ausblick * [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-23|2026-05-23]]: Jahresplan 2026/2027 </div> <span class="plainlinks">[https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status_updates <span class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-constructive mw-ui-small">Weitere Neuigkeiten</span>]</span> </div><noinclude>[[Category:templates]]</noinclude> krqylkv3svc0fttjn0s0haxcolo7jmc 10 2080 10834 10794 2026-06-20T13:02:40Z ToadetteEdit 1508 Created page with "[[$1|2026-06-19]]: الـ أم لا، هذا هو السؤال (أو السؤال؟)" 10834 wikitext text/x-wiki <noinclude><languages /></noinclude> <div style="margin: auto; vertical-align:top"> <div class="mainpage_boxcontents_small"> ;ركن المتطوعين * سيكون ركن المتطوعين التالي في <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1783359000 17:30 UTC on 2026-07-06]</bdi> على <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">Google Meet</bdi> في <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[https://meet.google.com/xuy-njxh-rkw meet.google.com/xuy-njxh-rkw]</bdi>. * [[:c:File:Abstract Wikipedia Volunteer Corner 2026-06.webm|أحدث ركن المتطوعين]] متاح على كومنز. ; تحديثات الحالة الأخيرة حول ويكي الدوال <!--Keep this to the most recent 5 entries--> * [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-06-19|2026-06-19]]: الـ أم لا، هذا هو السؤال (أو السؤال؟) * <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">[[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-06-12|2026-06-12]]: Improved loading and display of Test results</span> * [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-06-05|2026-06-05]]: الموسوعة المصورة * [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-30|2026-05-30]]: نظرة إلى الماضي والمستقبل * [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-23|2026-05-23]]: الخطة السنوية 2026-2027 </div> <span class="plainlinks">[https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status_updates <span class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-constructive mw-ui-small">المزيد من الأخبار</span>]</span> </div><noinclude>[[Category:templates]]</noinclude> 1mhntr6atnq8561mykaosp0h97n0hbe 10836 10834 2026-06-20T13:02:53Z ToadetteEdit 1508 Created page with "[[$1|2026-06-12]]: تحسين تحميل وعرض نتائج الاختبار" 10836 wikitext text/x-wiki <noinclude><languages /></noinclude> <div style="margin: auto; vertical-align:top"> <div class="mainpage_boxcontents_small"> ;ركن المتطوعين * سيكون ركن المتطوعين التالي في <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1783359000 17:30 UTC on 2026-07-06]</bdi> على <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">Google Meet</bdi> في <bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[https://meet.google.com/xuy-njxh-rkw meet.google.com/xuy-njxh-rkw]</bdi>. * [[:c:File:Abstract Wikipedia Volunteer Corner 2026-06.webm|أحدث ركن المتطوعين]] متاح على كومنز. ; تحديثات الحالة الأخيرة حول ويكي الدوال <!--Keep this to the most recent 5 entries--> * [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-06-19|2026-06-19]]: الـ أم لا، هذا هو السؤال (أو السؤال؟) * [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-06-12|2026-06-12]]: تحسين تحميل وعرض نتائج الاختبار * [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-06-05|2026-06-05]]: الموسوعة المصورة * [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-30|2026-05-30]]: نظرة إلى الماضي والمستقبل * [[:f:Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status updates/2026-05-23|2026-05-23]]: الخطة السنوية 2026-2027 </div> <span class="plainlinks">[https://www.wikifunctions.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikifunctions:Status_updates <span class="mw-ui-button mw-ui-constructive mw-ui-small">المزيد من الأخبار</span>]</span> </div><noinclude>[[Category:templates]]</noinclude> f2s8nhupo2zbujtdxvb5tgkokz7ojsg 5 3096 10837 10772 2026-06-20T17:35:44Z Ameisenigel 31 /* Categories */ Reply 10837 wikitext text/x-wiki == Copyvio section == What exactly does "Just because text has been converted to Abstract Form does not mean the author loses the copyright on the idea, unless it is a basic statement of fact" mean? Ideas cannot be copyrighted. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 17:25, 21 May 2026 (UTC) :I agree that ideas cannot be copyrighted. On the other hand I think it would be a copyright violation if you take a Wikipedia article, transfer it to a abstract form, and get (more or less) the same result as the original article without proper attribution. --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 18:42, 21 May 2026 (UTC) :I shouldn't have put "idea." I mean like, if I open the first page of ''Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone'', if I put the concept of two people called "Mr. and Mrs. Dursley" and have them reside at a place called 4 Privet Drive, and described them as being proud to inform others that they were typical people, in abstract content, and then continue to copy the statements into abstract content down the page, I'm still violating Rowling's copyright, even though it might not output the exact text that was printed by Bloomsbury. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:17, 21 May 2026 (UTC) ::+1 this phrase (and the section more generally) is a good idea but is strangely worded. Also, in many (most?) cases, we could just remove the copyvio and delete the corresponding line in the history, a full deletion of the article is not always the solution. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 14:19, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::Yeah, for copyvios I was thinking where the whole article was a copyright violation, but that's not true in most cases, whereas the wording makes it out to be. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:40, 30 May 2026 (UTC) == Cart before the horse? == This is a very good draft but it seems to me that we should probably focus on [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability]] first (or at the very least in parallel). Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 14:19, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :There's an ongoing discussion on its talk page as to whether we should require a site link to an existing article, so we need to resolve that. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:41, 30 May 2026 (UTC) == Content threshold == Considering only articles, there are many reasons why content may be deleted from them, as mentioned on the Project page. Is it too simplistic to suppose that, in general, the substantive reason for deletion is only the lack of encyclopaedic content? This echoes @[[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]]’s comment about notability, to some extent, but the subject may be notable while the article lacks sufficient content to justify its existence. By itself, that does not seem to be enough to require deletion, but I think it’s reason enough to consider it, particularly if it may be a case of “promotion by existence” of a named place, published work etc. For the time being, I think the content threshold will remain minimal, but I expect it to expand over time to also include some notion of quality, so the essential questions will be whether the article currently has sufficient worth-while content and whether there is a reasonable prospect that it will have, in a reasonable timescale. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 08:15, 3 June 2026 (UTC) : I agree. I ''believe'' this is how the English Wikipedia's notability policy developed (anything goes, until it became a household name). Similarly, the content quality we accept will increase over time (though blatant unfixable advertising, spam, vandalism, anything that breaks the wiki, etc. will be deleted now). I think the current wording is flexible enough such that it gives administrators and RfD participants enough discretion to follow this at our own pace. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:11, 4 June 2026 (UTC) :I agree. Given the limited number of functions currently available and the recent release, the content threshold should remain low for now, but it will need to be raised in the coming months. [[User:Jsamwrites|John Samuel]] ([[User:Jsamwrites|talk]]) 12:15, 4 June 2026 (UTC) == Categories == I feared the vague wording concerning categories and templates in this policy. I am therefore less surprised to see that a category on Impressionist painters has been deleted, confirming my fears. Reference related to my comment on ratificaiton : [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat#Ratification of the deletion policy proposal?]] Deletion of the [[d:Q6489603|category page on Impressionist painters]] : [[Special:PermanentLink/10008#Q6489603]] This category exists in multiple languages. [[User:Jsamwrites|John Samuel]] ([[User:Jsamwrites|talk]]) 15:03, 18 June 2026 (UTC) :Instead of making an article for the category, why not make one for the main topic, or start a list article for the ''contents'' of the category? [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 16:13, 18 June 2026 (UTC) ::My current approach is to make use of exisitng Wikidata entries (to ensure notability guidelines). I have created list articles before, For example [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/en/Q13581178 list of LGBT film festivals]. There is an existing Wikidata entry and multiple Wikipedia pages. But there is no such list page for this category : https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6489603 ::Nevertheless, creating a dedicated list page does not solve the current deletion policy of notable categories. This needs to be clarified and refined in this policy. [[User:Jsamwrites|John Samuel]] ([[User:Jsamwrites|talk]]) 16:25, 18 June 2026 (UTC) : "Categories representing over-categorization" specifically refers to ''actual'' categories, that is, those in the Category: namepsace on Abstract Wikipedia. I don't believe we should use sitelink-only items, rather, you should have a "list of impressionist painters" and include them there. The article on the category would be to describe the page encyclopedically if they were ever to somehow become notable. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:08, 18 June 2026 (UTC) ::It ties into the conversation at [[abstract Wikipedia talk:WPCA#self-description|AT:WPCA]] about whether an 'abstract project page' is a concept that makes sense or not. ::If the overall workflow was smoother than the current state, I'd say we as an independent wiki could at least begin to consider unifying the display of pages in the category or project namespaces with their abstract equivalents where existing. It might be in a manner analogous to the usual way that MediaWiki displays category pages: with the wiki page's text overtop of an automatic listing of the category's contents. ::Keep the listing, swap the wikitext for the abstract content (or more likely, use a tab selector for ''also'' displaying the wikitexts managed by the <code>Translate</code> extension). But this would require likely unbudgeted non-volunteer programmer hours since it wouldn't be a change within the scope of the <code>WikiLambda</code> extension. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 01:24, 19 June 2026 (UTC) :It was ''not'' a category that has been deleted, it was an article about a category. Currently you cannot use categories in the main namespace. --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 17:35, 20 June 2026 (UTC) hzzv7ieh7ny579m29jsw2oi23chfd36 10840 10837 2026-06-20T19:45:01Z Jsamwrites 874 /* Categories */ Reply 10840 wikitext text/x-wiki == Copyvio section == What exactly does "Just because text has been converted to Abstract Form does not mean the author loses the copyright on the idea, unless it is a basic statement of fact" mean? Ideas cannot be copyrighted. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 17:25, 21 May 2026 (UTC) :I agree that ideas cannot be copyrighted. On the other hand I think it would be a copyright violation if you take a Wikipedia article, transfer it to a abstract form, and get (more or less) the same result as the original article without proper attribution. --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 18:42, 21 May 2026 (UTC) :I shouldn't have put "idea." I mean like, if I open the first page of ''Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone'', if I put the concept of two people called "Mr. and Mrs. Dursley" and have them reside at a place called 4 Privet Drive, and described them as being proud to inform others that they were typical people, in abstract content, and then continue to copy the statements into abstract content down the page, I'm still violating Rowling's copyright, even though it might not output the exact text that was printed by Bloomsbury. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:17, 21 May 2026 (UTC) ::+1 this phrase (and the section more generally) is a good idea but is strangely worded. Also, in many (most?) cases, we could just remove the copyvio and delete the corresponding line in the history, a full deletion of the article is not always the solution. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 14:19, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::Yeah, for copyvios I was thinking where the whole article was a copyright violation, but that's not true in most cases, whereas the wording makes it out to be. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:40, 30 May 2026 (UTC) == Cart before the horse? == This is a very good draft but it seems to me that we should probably focus on [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability]] first (or at the very least in parallel). Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 14:19, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :There's an ongoing discussion on its talk page as to whether we should require a site link to an existing article, so we need to resolve that. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:41, 30 May 2026 (UTC) == Content threshold == Considering only articles, there are many reasons why content may be deleted from them, as mentioned on the Project page. Is it too simplistic to suppose that, in general, the substantive reason for deletion is only the lack of encyclopaedic content? This echoes @[[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]]’s comment about notability, to some extent, but the subject may be notable while the article lacks sufficient content to justify its existence. By itself, that does not seem to be enough to require deletion, but I think it’s reason enough to consider it, particularly if it may be a case of “promotion by existence” of a named place, published work etc. For the time being, I think the content threshold will remain minimal, but I expect it to expand over time to also include some notion of quality, so the essential questions will be whether the article currently has sufficient worth-while content and whether there is a reasonable prospect that it will have, in a reasonable timescale. [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 08:15, 3 June 2026 (UTC) : I agree. I ''believe'' this is how the English Wikipedia's notability policy developed (anything goes, until it became a household name). Similarly, the content quality we accept will increase over time (though blatant unfixable advertising, spam, vandalism, anything that breaks the wiki, etc. will be deleted now). I think the current wording is flexible enough such that it gives administrators and RfD participants enough discretion to follow this at our own pace. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 03:11, 4 June 2026 (UTC) :I agree. Given the limited number of functions currently available and the recent release, the content threshold should remain low for now, but it will need to be raised in the coming months. [[User:Jsamwrites|John Samuel]] ([[User:Jsamwrites|talk]]) 12:15, 4 June 2026 (UTC) == Categories == I feared the vague wording concerning categories and templates in this policy. I am therefore less surprised to see that a category on Impressionist painters has been deleted, confirming my fears. Reference related to my comment on ratificaiton : [[Abstract Wikipedia:Project chat#Ratification of the deletion policy proposal?]] Deletion of the [[d:Q6489603|category page on Impressionist painters]] : [[Special:PermanentLink/10008#Q6489603]] This category exists in multiple languages. [[User:Jsamwrites|John Samuel]] ([[User:Jsamwrites|talk]]) 15:03, 18 June 2026 (UTC) :Instead of making an article for the category, why not make one for the main topic, or start a list article for the ''contents'' of the category? [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 16:13, 18 June 2026 (UTC) ::My current approach is to make use of exisitng Wikidata entries (to ensure notability guidelines). I have created list articles before, For example [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/en/Q13581178 list of LGBT film festivals]. There is an existing Wikidata entry and multiple Wikipedia pages. But there is no such list page for this category : https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6489603 ::Nevertheless, creating a dedicated list page does not solve the current deletion policy of notable categories. This needs to be clarified and refined in this policy. [[User:Jsamwrites|John Samuel]] ([[User:Jsamwrites|talk]]) 16:25, 18 June 2026 (UTC) : "Categories representing over-categorization" specifically refers to ''actual'' categories, that is, those in the Category: namepsace on Abstract Wikipedia. I don't believe we should use sitelink-only items, rather, you should have a "list of impressionist painters" and include them there. The article on the category would be to describe the page encyclopedically if they were ever to somehow become notable. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:08, 18 June 2026 (UTC) ::It ties into the conversation at [[abstract Wikipedia talk:WPCA#self-description|AT:WPCA]] about whether an 'abstract project page' is a concept that makes sense or not. ::If the overall workflow was smoother than the current state, I'd say we as an independent wiki could at least begin to consider unifying the display of pages in the category or project namespaces with their abstract equivalents where existing. It might be in a manner analogous to the usual way that MediaWiki displays category pages: with the wiki page's text overtop of an automatic listing of the category's contents. ::Keep the listing, swap the wikitext for the abstract content (or more likely, use a tab selector for ''also'' displaying the wikitexts managed by the <code>Translate</code> extension). But this would require likely unbudgeted non-volunteer programmer hours since it wouldn't be a change within the scope of the <code>WikiLambda</code> extension. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 01:24, 19 June 2026 (UTC) :It was ''not'' a category that has been deleted, it was an article about a category. Currently you cannot use categories in the main namespace. --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 17:35, 20 June 2026 (UTC) ::Yes, I agree that it was an article about a category. Considering the goals of Abstract Wikipedia, I was exploring what such pages might look like, especially for small-language Wikipedias that may not have such a category but could still have related pages. They could use Abstract Wikipedia articles to link these pages together.  Please also refer to the comment above by @[[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]]. Given the deletion, I feel that such an experiment may still be too early. 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