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== Editing and viewing abstract pages do not work ==
Essentially the title. To reproduce, go to, say [[Q319]]. Notice you cannot use it (it just displays JSON), and when you try to edit it, the same JSON is shown and editable. I'm sure the team is aware, just writing this down. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:58, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
:[[User:Jdforrester (WMF)]] notes that abstract articles are being created in the wrong namespace, which seems the likely cause. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:00, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
== Function links are 404s ==
If I click from https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q142 to the function view https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/en/Z27868 I get a 404 error. That seems to be true for all the "Z" links. [[User:Eloquence|Eloquence]] ([[User talk:Eloquence|talk]]) 23:17, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
:This also seems to happen if you click "Read". [[User: Tenshi Hinanawi|Tenshi!]] ([[User talk: Tenshi Hinanawi|Talk page]]) 00:29, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
::It seems to try and view functions in Abstract Wikipedia when the functions are on Wikifunctions instead. https://wikifunctions.org/wiki/Z27868 is where the link should go. [[User:ChaoticVermillion|ChaoticVermillion]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|talk]]) 00:42, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
:Fix underway in [[phab:T420666|T420666: Our /view/ URLs aren't working on abstract.wikipedia.org, so we're generating links for users that don't work]]. Sorry for the disruption. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 12:43, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Note: This part is fixed; the second part is [[phab:T420670|T420670: from Abstract Wikipedia, links to ZIDs should go to Wikifunctions]] which will get deployed next week. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 16:42, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
== Search not working ==
Whne I search, say Canberra, which has an Abstract Wikipedia article, the search bar takes me to [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/en/Q3114?wprov=acrw1_0 Not Found], with an error. It should go to [[Q3114|Q3114 - Abstract Wikipedia]]. [[User:ChaoticVermillion|ChaoticVermillion]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|talk]]) 00:31, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
:Fix underway in [[phab:T420666|T420666: Our /view/ URLs aren't working on abstract.wikipedia.org, so we're generating links for users that don't work]] for this one too. Sorry for the disruption. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 12:43, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::This fix is now deployed. Sorry for the disruption! [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 16:42, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
== Undo not working ==
When I try to "undo" from history, it doesn't show the revert screen, but only shows the edit screen of the latest article. Maybe the same reason of mis-created namespace... [[User:Higa4|Higa4]] ([[User talk:Higa4|talk]]) 06:45, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
:Filed as [[phab:T420915|T420915: Attempting to undo an Abstract article edit appears to fail, and opens the editor with the current revision]]. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 12:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
== Special:CreateAbstract with an argument ==
Steps to reproduce:
* Go to [[Special:CreateAbstract/Q123456]]
* Add some content
* Try to publish
Error message:
<blockquote>The value of the 'qid' property ('Q0') does not match the page title 'Q123456'</blockquote>
[[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 00:38, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:I got this same error message when trying to [[Special:CreateAbstract/Q151]] (of course with it saying Q151 rather than Q123456). Also occurred when I tried to create a blank page. <span class="nowrap"><code>[[User:Dot.py|dot]][[User talk:Dot.py|.]][[Special:Contributions/Dot.py (alt)|p]][[Special:Contributions/Dot.py|y]]</code></span> 23:43, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:Filed as [[phab:T420916|T420916: Direct browses to Special:CreateAbstract/Q123456 don't work on publishing, attempt to publish to Q0]]. Thanks for the report! [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 12:49, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::This fix is now deployed. Sorry for the disruption! [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 16:43, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
== Pages can't be viewed ==
When trying to view pages longer than a sentence that aren't hard coded copies of articles from enwiki, I get "Reached max retries. Try again later." Is this expected behavior? [[User:MetalBreaksAndBends|MetalBreaksAndBends]] ([[User talk:MetalBreaksAndBends|talk]]) 13:59, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:ex: [[Q213]] [[User:MetalBreaksAndBends|MetalBreaksAndBends]] ([[User talk:MetalBreaksAndBends|talk]]) 14:00, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes it's a bug. Tracked in [[phab:T420630]]. {{[[User:GearsDatapacks|GearsDatapacks]]|[[User talk:GearsDatapacks|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/GearsDatapacks|contribs]]}} 14:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::Is there any progress on this bug being fixed? I think it is the number one issue keeping this wiki from being easily readable [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:36, 11 April 2026 (UTC)
== [[f:Z26095|Z26095]] not working ==
Hello, I could just file a task on Phabricator but checking here first. For some reason, I can't find [[f:Z26095|Z26095]] in the list of functions. [[User:FantasticWikiUser|FantasticWikiUser]] ([[User talk:FantasticWikiUser|talk]]) 17:33, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:@[[User:FantasticWikiUser|FantasticWikiUser]]: Z26095 outputs a "[https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en-gb/Z11 Monolingual text]" item, not a fragment of HTML, so it won't show up in search except in places you can use a monolingual text item, like as an argument to a Z32234 call. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 19:23, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
== Mainspace content model ==
The content model of abstract articles, as reported by <syntaxhighlight lang="wikitext" inline>{{#contentmodel:canonical|Q1}}</syntaxhighlight>, is <code>abstractwiki</code>. Can this be changed to something else more descriptive, akin to Wikidata's <code>wikibase-item</code>/<code>wikibase-lexeme</code>/<code>wikibase-property</code> and Wikifunctions's <code>zobject</code>? <code>abstractarticle</code>, for example. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 01:24, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
== 1 (Q199) isn't appearing when I choose it ==
For some reason, Q199 doesn't show up when it is used. 2 works fine. [[User:FantasticWikiUser|FantasticWikiUser]] ([[User talk:FantasticWikiUser|talk]]) 09:24, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:Example: [[Q199]] itself, or [[Q556]] [[User:FantasticWikiUser|FantasticWikiUser]] ([[User talk:FantasticWikiUser|talk]]) 09:31, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::On Wikidata, [[d:Q199]] didn't have a special label for English, instead using the default for all languages. The [[f:Z23753|label of item reference in language]] function was only able to find labels in the given language, without looking for defaults, so it showed up as nothing. I added an English label for 1, so everything should be fine now. [[User:ChaoticVermillion|<span style="color: orangered">Chaotic</span><span style="color: crimson">Vermillion</span>]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|converse]], [[Special:Contributions/ChaoticVermillion|contribs]]) 10:11, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
== Rate limits and other non-intelligible errors ==
I've been editing some pages here to experiment around, and the first thing I notice, aside from the very slow speed of how these very short sentences are constructed, are the constant errors I get. Some of these are:
* [[Q711]]<br/>Wikifunctions returned a failed response: Could not acquire WASI runner within time limit
* [[Q183]]<br/>Unable to render this fragment due to an unknown error.
There was also something about a rate limit for the orchestrator? Is this a problem with the WMF servers? I've never noticed these kinds of performance issues, even in wikis like en-WP which have stacks and stacks of Lua modules and wikitext templates built on top of each other! [[User:LastCelebration|'''<span style="color:#d98dd3;">Last</span><span style="color:#033a7f;">Celebration</span>''']] ([[User talk:LastCelebration|talk]]) 06:54, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
== Error: Lexeme lacks compatible representations ==
I have tried to create two articles using [[f:Z29743|Z29743]], one of which ([[Q467]]) has been successfully created. The other article was identical in structure, but linked the Wikidata items [[d:Q9800899|Q9800899]], [[d:Q6636|Q6636]], and [[d:Q467|Q467]]. However, neither article renders anything in English or French, throwing <code>Error: Lexeme lacks compatible representations</code>. Any ideas? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]<sub>[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]<sub>[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]</sub></sub> ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 18:52, 2 April 2026 (UTC)
:There is a similar error at [[Q111]]. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]<sub>[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]<sub>[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]</sub></sub> ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 19:25, 2 April 2026 (UTC)
:I think I’ve found the source of the error, and the problem is that the English lexemes with senses linking to [[:d:Q80994]] do not include the adjective [[:d:L5792]]. What you get instead is [[:d:L5791]], but that is a noun and therefore lacks the [[:d:Q3482678]] feature that the function is ultimately looking for. For English, we could avoid looking for that feature, but we currently don’t. Please compare [https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z21734?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z21734%22%2C%22Z21734K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z6825%22%2C%22Z6825K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6095%22%2C%22Z6095K1%22%3A%22L3080%22%7D%7D%2C%22Z21734K2%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z6825%22%2C%22Z6825K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6095%22%2C%22Z6095K1%22%3A%22L5791%22%7D%7D%7D this call (with error in Details)] with [https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z21734?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z21734%22%2C%22Z21734K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z6825%22%2C%22Z6825K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6095%22%2C%22Z6095K1%22%3A%22L3080%22%7D%7D%2C%22Z21734K2%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z6825%22%2C%22Z6825K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6095%22%2C%22Z6095K1%22%3A%22L5792%22%7D%7D%7D this one that succeeds].
:Even if the adjective were linked to the item, I think you would still fail to get the result you are looking for, because the function is not looking through the lexemes to find one that is an adjective. This is something we definitely need to do and I’m a little surprised that no one has done it yet. But only a little; there is still so much to do! [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 19:52, 2 April 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]]: I took some time to address this problem and concocted [[f:Z33078|Z33078]]. It passes one more test than the previous version, but two other tests (that the other implementations also failed) timed out. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]<sub>[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]<sub>[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]</sub></sub> ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 05:36, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
:::Neat! I have connected your implementation. [[User:Redmin|Redmin]] ([[User talk:Redmin|talk]]) 06:09, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
:::Thank you for your contribution. The new function will naturally claim more resources simply because it looks at more lexemes. The increase seems disproportionate, however, and I haven’t investigated why that might be. (Not that I’m claiming any expertise in that area!) [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 09:44, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
== Unable to select the function [[f:Z28016|Z28016]] while creating page [[Q628]] ==
I tried to add the function [[f:Z28016|Z28016]] on the page [[Q628]], but the selector didn't let me select the function, so i was forced to use the indonesian version of the function, and i think this is a bug, so i want to report it. [[User:Mattiz6276|Mattiz6276]] ([[User talk:Mattiz6276|talk]]) 19:11, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
:@[[User:Mattiz6276|Mattiz6276]]: The problem here is that [[f:Z28016|Z28016]] doesn't return a type that can be cast as HTML raw content, but rather monolingual text. Also, it looks like you wanted [[f:Z26570|Z26570]], so I changed it to use that. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]<sub>[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]<sub>[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]</sub></sub> ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 20:07, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
::Hi, i haven't been active on Abstract Wikipedia for a while (i mainly edit it.wiki), so sorry to not have answered you sooner.
::Thank you for helping me fix [[Q628]] and showing me what functions to use. [[User:Mattiz6276|Mattiz6276]] ([[User talk:Mattiz6276|talk]]) 07:54, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
== A language selector should be available, even for users not logged in ==
Abstract Wikipedia should have a language selector like [https://www.wikifunctions.org/ Wikifunctions] does, even for users not logged in to a Wikimedia account.
Without a language selector, it is not at all clear how people can even read the main page's introduction of Abstract Wikipedia in a language besides English.
The only way I see to change language is to add <code>uselang=[xx]</code> at the end of a URL with a language code like [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia:Main_page?uselang=de <code>uselang=de</code>] for German. But that is not easy for many users to discover.
[[User:Lovelano|Lovelano]] ([[User talk:Lovelano|talk]]) 00:45, 2 May 2026 (UTC)
== [[Q189125]] renders completely wrong ==
[[Q189125]] renders as the sentence "Transgender persons change gender identities." three times, even though that is very much not the structure of the page. Could anyone look at what's going on here? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]<sub>[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]<sub>[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]</sub></sub> ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 18:21, 17 May 2026 (UTC)
:Using [[f:Z33068]] seems to have fixed this. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:30, 18 May 2026 (UTC)
== Survey (proposed direction for Wishlist) ==
You are invited to voice your opinion on a new [[m:Talk:Community Wishlist#Proposed direction for Wishlist|community-proposed direction]] for the [[m:Community Wishlist|Community Wishlist]]. {{Int:Feedback-thanks-title}} [[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|talk]]) 03:07, 29 May 2026 (UTC)
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== Unable to add Z29591 ==
I'm trying to create Q2409 with Z29591 but it doesn't show up. I use "string to HTML fragment" before each function. [[User:VidanaliK|VidanaliK]] ([[User talk:VidanaliK|talk]]) 00:37, 9 June 2026 (UTC)
: {{reply to|VidanaliK}} [[f:Z29591|Z29591]] has an output type of [[f:Z11|monolingual text]], so string to HTML fragment won't work. I personally recommend you use [[f:Z33068|paragraph from sentences]] (available in the drop-down), which handles this distinction for you without needing to use a function each time and handles spacing between sentences. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:03, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] As in, paragraph from sentences instead of string to HTML fragment? [[User:VidanaliK|VidanaliK]] ([[User talk:VidanaliK|talk]]) 02:21, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
::: Yes. When you select it there will be a list input. Click plus to add a sentence, then either click the three dots, then "function call", or type in "function call" and click enter. Then type in whatever function you want, it should accept anything. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:31, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] Well now it just gives errors: see the page Los Angeles. [[User:VidanaliK|VidanaliK]] ([[User talk:VidanaliK|talk]]) 17:30, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
::::: Oh, yeah, sometimes you'll run into technical issues. You can use [[f:Z29749]] for directly converting monolingual text outputs to HTML fragments. Sorry if this is confusing. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:34, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] Where? Can you edit the page "Los angeles" with what I have so far to fix the bug so I know where to put it? It is a bit confusing but might be easier if I see it firsthand. [[User:VidanaliK|VidanaliK]] ([[User talk:VidanaliK|talk]]) 21:25, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
::::::: Looks like the issue was the superlative definition function not working right now. It should look good now. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:37, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
== [[AW:]] and [[AT:]] pseudonamespaces ==
Requesting [[mw:pseudo-namespace|pseudo-]] or [[mw:manual:using custom namespaces|custom]] namespaces to be used for shortcut redirects for project and talk pages.
Right now you have to use the full [[Abstract Wikipedia:foo]] or [[Abstract Wikipedia talk:bar]] syntax for links to get to the right place (which is to say, somewhere not in mainspace a.k.a. abstractspace). Piped links can make it look shorter in the meantime while actually being longer. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 01:02, 19 June 2026 (UTC)
:FYI you can use <code>Project:</code> on any MediaWiki instance in any language. [[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 21:57, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
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== Editing and viewing abstract pages do not work ==
Essentially the title. To reproduce, go to, say [[Q319]]. Notice you cannot use it (it just displays JSON), and when you try to edit it, the same JSON is shown and editable. I'm sure the team is aware, just writing this down. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:58, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
:[[User:Jdforrester (WMF)]] notes that abstract articles are being created in the wrong namespace, which seems the likely cause. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:00, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
== Function links are 404s ==
If I click from https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q142 to the function view https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/en/Z27868 I get a 404 error. That seems to be true for all the "Z" links. [[User:Eloquence|Eloquence]] ([[User talk:Eloquence|talk]]) 23:17, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
:This also seems to happen if you click "Read". [[User: Tenshi Hinanawi|Tenshi!]] ([[User talk: Tenshi Hinanawi|Talk page]]) 00:29, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
::It seems to try and view functions in Abstract Wikipedia when the functions are on Wikifunctions instead. https://wikifunctions.org/wiki/Z27868 is where the link should go. [[User:ChaoticVermillion|ChaoticVermillion]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|talk]]) 00:42, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
:Fix underway in [[phab:T420666|T420666: Our /view/ URLs aren't working on abstract.wikipedia.org, so we're generating links for users that don't work]]. Sorry for the disruption. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 12:43, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Note: This part is fixed; the second part is [[phab:T420670|T420670: from Abstract Wikipedia, links to ZIDs should go to Wikifunctions]] which will get deployed next week. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 16:42, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
== Search not working ==
Whne I search, say Canberra, which has an Abstract Wikipedia article, the search bar takes me to [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/en/Q3114?wprov=acrw1_0 Not Found], with an error. It should go to [[Q3114|Q3114 - Abstract Wikipedia]]. [[User:ChaoticVermillion|ChaoticVermillion]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|talk]]) 00:31, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
:Fix underway in [[phab:T420666|T420666: Our /view/ URLs aren't working on abstract.wikipedia.org, so we're generating links for users that don't work]] for this one too. Sorry for the disruption. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 12:43, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::This fix is now deployed. Sorry for the disruption! [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 16:42, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
== Undo not working ==
When I try to "undo" from history, it doesn't show the revert screen, but only shows the edit screen of the latest article. Maybe the same reason of mis-created namespace... [[User:Higa4|Higa4]] ([[User talk:Higa4|talk]]) 06:45, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
:Filed as [[phab:T420915|T420915: Attempting to undo an Abstract article edit appears to fail, and opens the editor with the current revision]]. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 12:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
== Special:CreateAbstract with an argument ==
Steps to reproduce:
* Go to [[Special:CreateAbstract/Q123456]]
* Add some content
* Try to publish
Error message:
<blockquote>The value of the 'qid' property ('Q0') does not match the page title 'Q123456'</blockquote>
[[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 00:38, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:I got this same error message when trying to [[Special:CreateAbstract/Q151]] (of course with it saying Q151 rather than Q123456). Also occurred when I tried to create a blank page. <span class="nowrap"><code>[[User:Dot.py|dot]][[User talk:Dot.py|.]][[Special:Contributions/Dot.py (alt)|p]][[Special:Contributions/Dot.py|y]]</code></span> 23:43, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:Filed as [[phab:T420916|T420916: Direct browses to Special:CreateAbstract/Q123456 don't work on publishing, attempt to publish to Q0]]. Thanks for the report! [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 12:49, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::This fix is now deployed. Sorry for the disruption! [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 16:43, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
== Pages can't be viewed ==
When trying to view pages longer than a sentence that aren't hard coded copies of articles from enwiki, I get "Reached max retries. Try again later." Is this expected behavior? [[User:MetalBreaksAndBends|MetalBreaksAndBends]] ([[User talk:MetalBreaksAndBends|talk]]) 13:59, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:ex: [[Q213]] [[User:MetalBreaksAndBends|MetalBreaksAndBends]] ([[User talk:MetalBreaksAndBends|talk]]) 14:00, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes it's a bug. Tracked in [[phab:T420630]]. {{[[User:GearsDatapacks|GearsDatapacks]]|[[User talk:GearsDatapacks|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/GearsDatapacks|contribs]]}} 14:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::Is there any progress on this bug being fixed? I think it is the number one issue keeping this wiki from being easily readable [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:36, 11 April 2026 (UTC)
== [[f:Z26095|Z26095]] not working ==
Hello, I could just file a task on Phabricator but checking here first. For some reason, I can't find [[f:Z26095|Z26095]] in the list of functions. [[User:FantasticWikiUser|FantasticWikiUser]] ([[User talk:FantasticWikiUser|talk]]) 17:33, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:@[[User:FantasticWikiUser|FantasticWikiUser]]: Z26095 outputs a "[https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en-gb/Z11 Monolingual text]" item, not a fragment of HTML, so it won't show up in search except in places you can use a monolingual text item, like as an argument to a Z32234 call. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 19:23, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
== Mainspace content model ==
The content model of abstract articles, as reported by <syntaxhighlight lang="wikitext" inline>{{#contentmodel:canonical|Q1}}</syntaxhighlight>, is <code>abstractwiki</code>. Can this be changed to something else more descriptive, akin to Wikidata's <code>wikibase-item</code>/<code>wikibase-lexeme</code>/<code>wikibase-property</code> and Wikifunctions's <code>zobject</code>? <code>abstractarticle</code>, for example. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 01:24, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
== 1 (Q199) isn't appearing when I choose it ==
For some reason, Q199 doesn't show up when it is used. 2 works fine. [[User:FantasticWikiUser|FantasticWikiUser]] ([[User talk:FantasticWikiUser|talk]]) 09:24, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:Example: [[Q199]] itself, or [[Q556]] [[User:FantasticWikiUser|FantasticWikiUser]] ([[User talk:FantasticWikiUser|talk]]) 09:31, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::On Wikidata, [[d:Q199]] didn't have a special label for English, instead using the default for all languages. The [[f:Z23753|label of item reference in language]] function was only able to find labels in the given language, without looking for defaults, so it showed up as nothing. I added an English label for 1, so everything should be fine now. [[User:ChaoticVermillion|<span style="color: orangered">Chaotic</span><span style="color: crimson">Vermillion</span>]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|converse]], [[Special:Contributions/ChaoticVermillion|contribs]]) 10:11, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
== Rate limits and other non-intelligible errors ==
I've been editing some pages here to experiment around, and the first thing I notice, aside from the very slow speed of how these very short sentences are constructed, are the constant errors I get. Some of these are:
* [[Q711]]<br/>Wikifunctions returned a failed response: Could not acquire WASI runner within time limit
* [[Q183]]<br/>Unable to render this fragment due to an unknown error.
There was also something about a rate limit for the orchestrator? Is this a problem with the WMF servers? I've never noticed these kinds of performance issues, even in wikis like en-WP which have stacks and stacks of Lua modules and wikitext templates built on top of each other! [[User:LastCelebration|'''<span style="color:#d98dd3;">Last</span><span style="color:#033a7f;">Celebration</span>''']] ([[User talk:LastCelebration|talk]]) 06:54, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
== Error: Lexeme lacks compatible representations ==
I have tried to create two articles using [[f:Z29743|Z29743]], one of which ([[Q467]]) has been successfully created. The other article was identical in structure, but linked the Wikidata items [[d:Q9800899|Q9800899]], [[d:Q6636|Q6636]], and [[d:Q467|Q467]]. However, neither article renders anything in English or French, throwing <code>Error: Lexeme lacks compatible representations</code>. Any ideas? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]<sub>[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]<sub>[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]</sub></sub> ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 18:52, 2 April 2026 (UTC)
:There is a similar error at [[Q111]]. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]<sub>[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]<sub>[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]</sub></sub> ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 19:25, 2 April 2026 (UTC)
:I think I’ve found the source of the error, and the problem is that the English lexemes with senses linking to [[:d:Q80994]] do not include the adjective [[:d:L5792]]. What you get instead is [[:d:L5791]], but that is a noun and therefore lacks the [[:d:Q3482678]] feature that the function is ultimately looking for. For English, we could avoid looking for that feature, but we currently don’t. Please compare [https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z21734?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z21734%22%2C%22Z21734K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z6825%22%2C%22Z6825K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6095%22%2C%22Z6095K1%22%3A%22L3080%22%7D%7D%2C%22Z21734K2%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z6825%22%2C%22Z6825K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6095%22%2C%22Z6095K1%22%3A%22L5791%22%7D%7D%7D this call (with error in Details)] with [https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z21734?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z21734%22%2C%22Z21734K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z6825%22%2C%22Z6825K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6095%22%2C%22Z6095K1%22%3A%22L3080%22%7D%7D%2C%22Z21734K2%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z6825%22%2C%22Z6825K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6095%22%2C%22Z6095K1%22%3A%22L5792%22%7D%7D%7D this one that succeeds].
:Even if the adjective were linked to the item, I think you would still fail to get the result you are looking for, because the function is not looking through the lexemes to find one that is an adjective. This is something we definitely need to do and I’m a little surprised that no one has done it yet. But only a little; there is still so much to do! [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 19:52, 2 April 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]]: I took some time to address this problem and concocted [[f:Z33078|Z33078]]. It passes one more test than the previous version, but two other tests (that the other implementations also failed) timed out. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]<sub>[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]<sub>[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]</sub></sub> ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 05:36, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
:::Neat! I have connected your implementation. [[User:Redmin|Redmin]] ([[User talk:Redmin|talk]]) 06:09, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
:::Thank you for your contribution. The new function will naturally claim more resources simply because it looks at more lexemes. The increase seems disproportionate, however, and I haven’t investigated why that might be. (Not that I’m claiming any expertise in that area!) [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 09:44, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
== Unable to select the function [[f:Z28016|Z28016]] while creating page [[Q628]] ==
I tried to add the function [[f:Z28016|Z28016]] on the page [[Q628]], but the selector didn't let me select the function, so i was forced to use the indonesian version of the function, and i think this is a bug, so i want to report it. [[User:Mattiz6276|Mattiz6276]] ([[User talk:Mattiz6276|talk]]) 19:11, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
:@[[User:Mattiz6276|Mattiz6276]]: The problem here is that [[f:Z28016|Z28016]] doesn't return a type that can be cast as HTML raw content, but rather monolingual text. Also, it looks like you wanted [[f:Z26570|Z26570]], so I changed it to use that. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]<sub>[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]<sub>[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]</sub></sub> ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 20:07, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
::Hi, i haven't been active on Abstract Wikipedia for a while (i mainly edit it.wiki), so sorry to not have answered you sooner.
::Thank you for helping me fix [[Q628]] and showing me what functions to use. [[User:Mattiz6276|Mattiz6276]] ([[User talk:Mattiz6276|talk]]) 07:54, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
== A language selector should be available, even for users not logged in ==
Abstract Wikipedia should have a language selector like [https://www.wikifunctions.org/ Wikifunctions] does, even for users not logged in to a Wikimedia account.
Without a language selector, it is not at all clear how people can even read the main page's introduction of Abstract Wikipedia in a language besides English.
The only way I see to change language is to add <code>uselang=[xx]</code> at the end of a URL with a language code like [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia:Main_page?uselang=de <code>uselang=de</code>] for German. But that is not easy for many users to discover.
[[User:Lovelano|Lovelano]] ([[User talk:Lovelano|talk]]) 00:45, 2 May 2026 (UTC)
== [[Q189125]] renders completely wrong ==
[[Q189125]] renders as the sentence "Transgender persons change gender identities." three times, even though that is very much not the structure of the page. Could anyone look at what's going on here? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]<sub>[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]<sub>[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]</sub></sub> ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 18:21, 17 May 2026 (UTC)
:Using [[f:Z33068]] seems to have fixed this. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:30, 18 May 2026 (UTC)
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== Unable to add Z29591 ==
I'm trying to create Q2409 with Z29591 but it doesn't show up. I use "string to HTML fragment" before each function. [[User:VidanaliK|VidanaliK]] ([[User talk:VidanaliK|talk]]) 00:37, 9 June 2026 (UTC)
: {{reply to|VidanaliK}} [[f:Z29591|Z29591]] has an output type of [[f:Z11|monolingual text]], so string to HTML fragment won't work. I personally recommend you use [[f:Z33068|paragraph from sentences]] (available in the drop-down), which handles this distinction for you without needing to use a function each time and handles spacing between sentences. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:03, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] As in, paragraph from sentences instead of string to HTML fragment? [[User:VidanaliK|VidanaliK]] ([[User talk:VidanaliK|talk]]) 02:21, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
::: Yes. When you select it there will be a list input. Click plus to add a sentence, then either click the three dots, then "function call", or type in "function call" and click enter. Then type in whatever function you want, it should accept anything. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:31, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] Well now it just gives errors: see the page Los Angeles. [[User:VidanaliK|VidanaliK]] ([[User talk:VidanaliK|talk]]) 17:30, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
::::: Oh, yeah, sometimes you'll run into technical issues. You can use [[f:Z29749]] for directly converting monolingual text outputs to HTML fragments. Sorry if this is confusing. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:34, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] Where? Can you edit the page "Los angeles" with what I have so far to fix the bug so I know where to put it? It is a bit confusing but might be easier if I see it firsthand. [[User:VidanaliK|VidanaliK]] ([[User talk:VidanaliK|talk]]) 21:25, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
::::::: Looks like the issue was the superlative definition function not working right now. It should look good now. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:37, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
== [[AW:]] and [[AT:]] pseudonamespaces ==
Requesting [[mw:pseudo-namespace|pseudo-]] or [[mw:manual:using custom namespaces|custom]] namespaces to be used for shortcut redirects for project and talk pages.
Right now you have to use the full [[Abstract Wikipedia:foo]] or [[Abstract Wikipedia talk:bar]] syntax for links to get to the right place (which is to say, somewhere not in mainspace a.k.a. abstractspace). Piped links can make it look shorter in the meantime while actually being longer. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 01:02, 19 June 2026 (UTC)
:FYI you can use <code>Project:</code> on any MediaWiki instance in any language. [[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 21:57, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
== I seem to have found an error when trying to reveal system message identifiers in testwiki ==
→ https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris,_France?uselang=qqx c.f. https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris,_France [[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 21:59, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
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== Editing and viewing abstract pages do not work ==
Essentially the title. To reproduce, go to, say [[Q319]]. Notice you cannot use it (it just displays JSON), and when you try to edit it, the same JSON is shown and editable. I'm sure the team is aware, just writing this down. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:58, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
:[[User:Jdforrester (WMF)]] notes that abstract articles are being created in the wrong namespace, which seems the likely cause. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:00, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
== Function links are 404s ==
If I click from https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q142 to the function view https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/en/Z27868 I get a 404 error. That seems to be true for all the "Z" links. [[User:Eloquence|Eloquence]] ([[User talk:Eloquence|talk]]) 23:17, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
:This also seems to happen if you click "Read". [[User: Tenshi Hinanawi|Tenshi!]] ([[User talk: Tenshi Hinanawi|Talk page]]) 00:29, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
::It seems to try and view functions in Abstract Wikipedia when the functions are on Wikifunctions instead. https://wikifunctions.org/wiki/Z27868 is where the link should go. [[User:ChaoticVermillion|ChaoticVermillion]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|talk]]) 00:42, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
:Fix underway in [[phab:T420666|T420666: Our /view/ URLs aren't working on abstract.wikipedia.org, so we're generating links for users that don't work]]. Sorry for the disruption. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 12:43, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Note: This part is fixed; the second part is [[phab:T420670|T420670: from Abstract Wikipedia, links to ZIDs should go to Wikifunctions]] which will get deployed next week. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 16:42, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
== Search not working ==
Whne I search, say Canberra, which has an Abstract Wikipedia article, the search bar takes me to [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/en/Q3114?wprov=acrw1_0 Not Found], with an error. It should go to [[Q3114|Q3114 - Abstract Wikipedia]]. [[User:ChaoticVermillion|ChaoticVermillion]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|talk]]) 00:31, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
:Fix underway in [[phab:T420666|T420666: Our /view/ URLs aren't working on abstract.wikipedia.org, so we're generating links for users that don't work]] for this one too. Sorry for the disruption. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 12:43, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::This fix is now deployed. Sorry for the disruption! [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 16:42, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
== Undo not working ==
When I try to "undo" from history, it doesn't show the revert screen, but only shows the edit screen of the latest article. Maybe the same reason of mis-created namespace... [[User:Higa4|Higa4]] ([[User talk:Higa4|talk]]) 06:45, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
:Filed as [[phab:T420915|T420915: Attempting to undo an Abstract article edit appears to fail, and opens the editor with the current revision]]. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 12:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
== Special:CreateAbstract with an argument ==
Steps to reproduce:
* Go to [[Special:CreateAbstract/Q123456]]
* Add some content
* Try to publish
Error message:
<blockquote>The value of the 'qid' property ('Q0') does not match the page title 'Q123456'</blockquote>
[[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 00:38, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:I got this same error message when trying to [[Special:CreateAbstract/Q151]] (of course with it saying Q151 rather than Q123456). Also occurred when I tried to create a blank page. <span class="nowrap"><code>[[User:Dot.py|dot]][[User talk:Dot.py|.]][[Special:Contributions/Dot.py (alt)|p]][[Special:Contributions/Dot.py|y]]</code></span> 23:43, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:Filed as [[phab:T420916|T420916: Direct browses to Special:CreateAbstract/Q123456 don't work on publishing, attempt to publish to Q0]]. Thanks for the report! [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 12:49, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::This fix is now deployed. Sorry for the disruption! [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 16:43, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
== Pages can't be viewed ==
When trying to view pages longer than a sentence that aren't hard coded copies of articles from enwiki, I get "Reached max retries. Try again later." Is this expected behavior? [[User:MetalBreaksAndBends|MetalBreaksAndBends]] ([[User talk:MetalBreaksAndBends|talk]]) 13:59, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:ex: [[Q213]] [[User:MetalBreaksAndBends|MetalBreaksAndBends]] ([[User talk:MetalBreaksAndBends|talk]]) 14:00, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes it's a bug. Tracked in [[phab:T420630]]. {{[[User:GearsDatapacks|GearsDatapacks]]|[[User talk:GearsDatapacks|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/GearsDatapacks|contribs]]}} 14:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::Is there any progress on this bug being fixed? I think it is the number one issue keeping this wiki from being easily readable [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:36, 11 April 2026 (UTC)
== [[f:Z26095|Z26095]] not working ==
Hello, I could just file a task on Phabricator but checking here first. For some reason, I can't find [[f:Z26095|Z26095]] in the list of functions. [[User:FantasticWikiUser|FantasticWikiUser]] ([[User talk:FantasticWikiUser|talk]]) 17:33, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:@[[User:FantasticWikiUser|FantasticWikiUser]]: Z26095 outputs a "[https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en-gb/Z11 Monolingual text]" item, not a fragment of HTML, so it won't show up in search except in places you can use a monolingual text item, like as an argument to a Z32234 call. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 19:23, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
== Mainspace content model ==
The content model of abstract articles, as reported by <syntaxhighlight lang="wikitext" inline>{{#contentmodel:canonical|Q1}}</syntaxhighlight>, is <code>abstractwiki</code>. Can this be changed to something else more descriptive, akin to Wikidata's <code>wikibase-item</code>/<code>wikibase-lexeme</code>/<code>wikibase-property</code> and Wikifunctions's <code>zobject</code>? <code>abstractarticle</code>, for example. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 01:24, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
== 1 (Q199) isn't appearing when I choose it ==
For some reason, Q199 doesn't show up when it is used. 2 works fine. [[User:FantasticWikiUser|FantasticWikiUser]] ([[User talk:FantasticWikiUser|talk]]) 09:24, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:Example: [[Q199]] itself, or [[Q556]] [[User:FantasticWikiUser|FantasticWikiUser]] ([[User talk:FantasticWikiUser|talk]]) 09:31, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::On Wikidata, [[d:Q199]] didn't have a special label for English, instead using the default for all languages. The [[f:Z23753|label of item reference in language]] function was only able to find labels in the given language, without looking for defaults, so it showed up as nothing. I added an English label for 1, so everything should be fine now. [[User:ChaoticVermillion|<span style="color: orangered">Chaotic</span><span style="color: crimson">Vermillion</span>]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|converse]], [[Special:Contributions/ChaoticVermillion|contribs]]) 10:11, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
== Rate limits and other non-intelligible errors ==
I've been editing some pages here to experiment around, and the first thing I notice, aside from the very slow speed of how these very short sentences are constructed, are the constant errors I get. Some of these are:
* [[Q711]]<br/>Wikifunctions returned a failed response: Could not acquire WASI runner within time limit
* [[Q183]]<br/>Unable to render this fragment due to an unknown error.
There was also something about a rate limit for the orchestrator? Is this a problem with the WMF servers? I've never noticed these kinds of performance issues, even in wikis like en-WP which have stacks and stacks of Lua modules and wikitext templates built on top of each other! [[User:LastCelebration|'''<span style="color:#d98dd3;">Last</span><span style="color:#033a7f;">Celebration</span>''']] ([[User talk:LastCelebration|talk]]) 06:54, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
== Error: Lexeme lacks compatible representations ==
I have tried to create two articles using [[f:Z29743|Z29743]], one of which ([[Q467]]) has been successfully created. The other article was identical in structure, but linked the Wikidata items [[d:Q9800899|Q9800899]], [[d:Q6636|Q6636]], and [[d:Q467|Q467]]. However, neither article renders anything in English or French, throwing <code>Error: Lexeme lacks compatible representations</code>. Any ideas? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]<sub>[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]<sub>[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]</sub></sub> ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 18:52, 2 April 2026 (UTC)
:There is a similar error at [[Q111]]. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]<sub>[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]<sub>[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]</sub></sub> ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 19:25, 2 April 2026 (UTC)
:I think I’ve found the source of the error, and the problem is that the English lexemes with senses linking to [[:d:Q80994]] do not include the adjective [[:d:L5792]]. What you get instead is [[:d:L5791]], but that is a noun and therefore lacks the [[:d:Q3482678]] feature that the function is ultimately looking for. For English, we could avoid looking for that feature, but we currently don’t. Please compare [https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z21734?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z21734%22%2C%22Z21734K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z6825%22%2C%22Z6825K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6095%22%2C%22Z6095K1%22%3A%22L3080%22%7D%7D%2C%22Z21734K2%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z6825%22%2C%22Z6825K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6095%22%2C%22Z6095K1%22%3A%22L5791%22%7D%7D%7D this call (with error in Details)] with [https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z21734?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z21734%22%2C%22Z21734K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z6825%22%2C%22Z6825K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6095%22%2C%22Z6095K1%22%3A%22L3080%22%7D%7D%2C%22Z21734K2%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z6825%22%2C%22Z6825K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6095%22%2C%22Z6095K1%22%3A%22L5792%22%7D%7D%7D this one that succeeds].
:Even if the adjective were linked to the item, I think you would still fail to get the result you are looking for, because the function is not looking through the lexemes to find one that is an adjective. This is something we definitely need to do and I’m a little surprised that no one has done it yet. But only a little; there is still so much to do! [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 19:52, 2 April 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]]: I took some time to address this problem and concocted [[f:Z33078|Z33078]]. It passes one more test than the previous version, but two other tests (that the other implementations also failed) timed out. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]<sub>[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]<sub>[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]</sub></sub> ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 05:36, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
:::Neat! I have connected your implementation. [[User:Redmin|Redmin]] ([[User talk:Redmin|talk]]) 06:09, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
:::Thank you for your contribution. The new function will naturally claim more resources simply because it looks at more lexemes. The increase seems disproportionate, however, and I haven’t investigated why that might be. (Not that I’m claiming any expertise in that area!) [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 09:44, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
== Unable to select the function [[f:Z28016|Z28016]] while creating page [[Q628]] ==
I tried to add the function [[f:Z28016|Z28016]] on the page [[Q628]], but the selector didn't let me select the function, so i was forced to use the indonesian version of the function, and i think this is a bug, so i want to report it. [[User:Mattiz6276|Mattiz6276]] ([[User talk:Mattiz6276|talk]]) 19:11, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
:@[[User:Mattiz6276|Mattiz6276]]: The problem here is that [[f:Z28016|Z28016]] doesn't return a type that can be cast as HTML raw content, but rather monolingual text. Also, it looks like you wanted [[f:Z26570|Z26570]], so I changed it to use that. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]<sub>[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]<sub>[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]</sub></sub> ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 20:07, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
::Hi, i haven't been active on Abstract Wikipedia for a while (i mainly edit it.wiki), so sorry to not have answered you sooner.
::Thank you for helping me fix [[Q628]] and showing me what functions to use. [[User:Mattiz6276|Mattiz6276]] ([[User talk:Mattiz6276|talk]]) 07:54, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
== A language selector should be available, even for users not logged in ==
Abstract Wikipedia should have a language selector like [https://www.wikifunctions.org/ Wikifunctions] does, even for users not logged in to a Wikimedia account.
Without a language selector, it is not at all clear how people can even read the main page's introduction of Abstract Wikipedia in a language besides English.
The only way I see to change language is to add <code>uselang=[xx]</code> at the end of a URL with a language code like [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia:Main_page?uselang=de <code>uselang=de</code>] for German. But that is not easy for many users to discover.
[[User:Lovelano|Lovelano]] ([[User talk:Lovelano|talk]]) 00:45, 2 May 2026 (UTC)
== [[Q189125]] renders completely wrong ==
[[Q189125]] renders as the sentence "Transgender persons change gender identities." three times, even though that is very much not the structure of the page. Could anyone look at what's going on here? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]<sub>[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]<sub>[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]</sub></sub> ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 18:21, 17 May 2026 (UTC)
:Using [[f:Z33068]] seems to have fixed this. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:30, 18 May 2026 (UTC)
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== Unable to add Z29591 ==
I'm trying to create Q2409 with Z29591 but it doesn't show up. I use "string to HTML fragment" before each function. [[User:VidanaliK|VidanaliK]] ([[User talk:VidanaliK|talk]]) 00:37, 9 June 2026 (UTC)
: {{reply to|VidanaliK}} [[f:Z29591|Z29591]] has an output type of [[f:Z11|monolingual text]], so string to HTML fragment won't work. I personally recommend you use [[f:Z33068|paragraph from sentences]] (available in the drop-down), which handles this distinction for you without needing to use a function each time and handles spacing between sentences. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:03, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] As in, paragraph from sentences instead of string to HTML fragment? [[User:VidanaliK|VidanaliK]] ([[User talk:VidanaliK|talk]]) 02:21, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
::: Yes. When you select it there will be a list input. Click plus to add a sentence, then either click the three dots, then "function call", or type in "function call" and click enter. Then type in whatever function you want, it should accept anything. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:31, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] Well now it just gives errors: see the page Los Angeles. [[User:VidanaliK|VidanaliK]] ([[User talk:VidanaliK|talk]]) 17:30, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
::::: Oh, yeah, sometimes you'll run into technical issues. You can use [[f:Z29749]] for directly converting monolingual text outputs to HTML fragments. Sorry if this is confusing. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:34, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] Where? Can you edit the page "Los angeles" with what I have so far to fix the bug so I know where to put it? It is a bit confusing but might be easier if I see it firsthand. [[User:VidanaliK|VidanaliK]] ([[User talk:VidanaliK|talk]]) 21:25, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
::::::: Looks like the issue was the superlative definition function not working right now. It should look good now. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:37, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
== [[AW:]] and [[AT:]] pseudonamespaces ==
Requesting [[mw:pseudo-namespace|pseudo-]] or [[mw:manual:using custom namespaces|custom]] namespaces to be used for shortcut redirects for project and talk pages.
Right now you have to use the full [[Abstract Wikipedia:foo]] or [[Abstract Wikipedia talk:bar]] syntax for links to get to the right place (which is to say, somewhere not in mainspace a.k.a. abstractspace). Piped links can make it look shorter in the meantime while actually being longer. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 01:02, 19 June 2026 (UTC)
:FYI you can use <code>Project:</code> on any MediaWiki instance in any language. [[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 21:57, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
== I seem to have found an error when trying to reveal system message identifiers in testwiki ==
→ https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris,_France?uselang=qqx c.f. https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris,_France [[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 21:59, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
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== Editing and viewing abstract pages do not work ==
Essentially the title. To reproduce, go to, say [[Q319]]. Notice you cannot use it (it just displays JSON), and when you try to edit it, the same JSON is shown and editable. I'm sure the team is aware, just writing this down. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:58, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
:[[User:Jdforrester (WMF)]] notes that abstract articles are being created in the wrong namespace, which seems the likely cause. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:00, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
== Function links are 404s ==
If I click from https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q142 to the function view https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/en/Z27868 I get a 404 error. That seems to be true for all the "Z" links. [[User:Eloquence|Eloquence]] ([[User talk:Eloquence|talk]]) 23:17, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
:This also seems to happen if you click "Read". [[User: Tenshi Hinanawi|Tenshi!]] ([[User talk: Tenshi Hinanawi|Talk page]]) 00:29, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
::It seems to try and view functions in Abstract Wikipedia when the functions are on Wikifunctions instead. https://wikifunctions.org/wiki/Z27868 is where the link should go. [[User:ChaoticVermillion|ChaoticVermillion]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|talk]]) 00:42, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
:Fix underway in [[phab:T420666|T420666: Our /view/ URLs aren't working on abstract.wikipedia.org, so we're generating links for users that don't work]]. Sorry for the disruption. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 12:43, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Note: This part is fixed; the second part is [[phab:T420670|T420670: from Abstract Wikipedia, links to ZIDs should go to Wikifunctions]] which will get deployed next week. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 16:42, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
== Search not working ==
Whne I search, say Canberra, which has an Abstract Wikipedia article, the search bar takes me to [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/en/Q3114?wprov=acrw1_0 Not Found], with an error. It should go to [[Q3114|Q3114 - Abstract Wikipedia]]. [[User:ChaoticVermillion|ChaoticVermillion]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|talk]]) 00:31, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
:Fix underway in [[phab:T420666|T420666: Our /view/ URLs aren't working on abstract.wikipedia.org, so we're generating links for users that don't work]] for this one too. Sorry for the disruption. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 12:43, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::This fix is now deployed. Sorry for the disruption! [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 16:42, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
== Undo not working ==
When I try to "undo" from history, it doesn't show the revert screen, but only shows the edit screen of the latest article. Maybe the same reason of mis-created namespace... [[User:Higa4|Higa4]] ([[User talk:Higa4|talk]]) 06:45, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
:Filed as [[phab:T420915|T420915: Attempting to undo an Abstract article edit appears to fail, and opens the editor with the current revision]]. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 12:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
== Special:CreateAbstract with an argument ==
Steps to reproduce:
* Go to [[Special:CreateAbstract/Q123456]]
* Add some content
* Try to publish
Error message:
<blockquote>The value of the 'qid' property ('Q0') does not match the page title 'Q123456'</blockquote>
[[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 00:38, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:I got this same error message when trying to [[Special:CreateAbstract/Q151]] (of course with it saying Q151 rather than Q123456). Also occurred when I tried to create a blank page. <span class="nowrap"><code>[[User:Dot.py|dot]][[User talk:Dot.py|.]][[Special:Contributions/Dot.py (alt)|p]][[Special:Contributions/Dot.py|y]]</code></span> 23:43, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:Filed as [[phab:T420916|T420916: Direct browses to Special:CreateAbstract/Q123456 don't work on publishing, attempt to publish to Q0]]. Thanks for the report! [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 12:49, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::This fix is now deployed. Sorry for the disruption! [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 16:43, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
== Pages can't be viewed ==
When trying to view pages longer than a sentence that aren't hard coded copies of articles from enwiki, I get "Reached max retries. Try again later." Is this expected behavior? [[User:MetalBreaksAndBends|MetalBreaksAndBends]] ([[User talk:MetalBreaksAndBends|talk]]) 13:59, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:ex: [[Q213]] [[User:MetalBreaksAndBends|MetalBreaksAndBends]] ([[User talk:MetalBreaksAndBends|talk]]) 14:00, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes it's a bug. Tracked in [[phab:T420630]]. {{[[User:GearsDatapacks|GearsDatapacks]]|[[User talk:GearsDatapacks|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/GearsDatapacks|contribs]]}} 14:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::Is there any progress on this bug being fixed? I think it is the number one issue keeping this wiki from being easily readable [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:36, 11 April 2026 (UTC)
== [[f:Z26095|Z26095]] not working ==
Hello, I could just file a task on Phabricator but checking here first. For some reason, I can't find [[f:Z26095|Z26095]] in the list of functions. [[User:FantasticWikiUser|FantasticWikiUser]] ([[User talk:FantasticWikiUser|talk]]) 17:33, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:@[[User:FantasticWikiUser|FantasticWikiUser]]: Z26095 outputs a "[https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en-gb/Z11 Monolingual text]" item, not a fragment of HTML, so it won't show up in search except in places you can use a monolingual text item, like as an argument to a Z32234 call. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 19:23, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
== Mainspace content model ==
The content model of abstract articles, as reported by <syntaxhighlight lang="wikitext" inline>{{#contentmodel:canonical|Q1}}</syntaxhighlight>, is <code>abstractwiki</code>. Can this be changed to something else more descriptive, akin to Wikidata's <code>wikibase-item</code>/<code>wikibase-lexeme</code>/<code>wikibase-property</code> and Wikifunctions's <code>zobject</code>? <code>abstractarticle</code>, for example. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 01:24, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
== 1 (Q199) isn't appearing when I choose it ==
For some reason, Q199 doesn't show up when it is used. 2 works fine. [[User:FantasticWikiUser|FantasticWikiUser]] ([[User talk:FantasticWikiUser|talk]]) 09:24, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:Example: [[Q199]] itself, or [[Q556]] [[User:FantasticWikiUser|FantasticWikiUser]] ([[User talk:FantasticWikiUser|talk]]) 09:31, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::On Wikidata, [[d:Q199]] didn't have a special label for English, instead using the default for all languages. The [[f:Z23753|label of item reference in language]] function was only able to find labels in the given language, without looking for defaults, so it showed up as nothing. I added an English label for 1, so everything should be fine now. [[User:ChaoticVermillion|<span style="color: orangered">Chaotic</span><span style="color: crimson">Vermillion</span>]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|converse]], [[Special:Contributions/ChaoticVermillion|contribs]]) 10:11, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
== Rate limits and other non-intelligible errors ==
I've been editing some pages here to experiment around, and the first thing I notice, aside from the very slow speed of how these very short sentences are constructed, are the constant errors I get. Some of these are:
* [[Q711]]<br/>Wikifunctions returned a failed response: Could not acquire WASI runner within time limit
* [[Q183]]<br/>Unable to render this fragment due to an unknown error.
There was also something about a rate limit for the orchestrator? Is this a problem with the WMF servers? I've never noticed these kinds of performance issues, even in wikis like en-WP which have stacks and stacks of Lua modules and wikitext templates built on top of each other! [[User:LastCelebration|'''<span style="color:#d98dd3;">Last</span><span style="color:#033a7f;">Celebration</span>''']] ([[User talk:LastCelebration|talk]]) 06:54, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
== Error: Lexeme lacks compatible representations ==
I have tried to create two articles using [[f:Z29743|Z29743]], one of which ([[Q467]]) has been successfully created. The other article was identical in structure, but linked the Wikidata items [[d:Q9800899|Q9800899]], [[d:Q6636|Q6636]], and [[d:Q467|Q467]]. However, neither article renders anything in English or French, throwing <code>Error: Lexeme lacks compatible representations</code>. Any ideas? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]<sub>[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]<sub>[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]</sub></sub> ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 18:52, 2 April 2026 (UTC)
:There is a similar error at [[Q111]]. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]<sub>[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]<sub>[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]</sub></sub> ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 19:25, 2 April 2026 (UTC)
:I think I’ve found the source of the error, and the problem is that the English lexemes with senses linking to [[:d:Q80994]] do not include the adjective [[:d:L5792]]. What you get instead is [[:d:L5791]], but that is a noun and therefore lacks the [[:d:Q3482678]] feature that the function is ultimately looking for. For English, we could avoid looking for that feature, but we currently don’t. Please compare [https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z21734?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z21734%22%2C%22Z21734K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z6825%22%2C%22Z6825K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6095%22%2C%22Z6095K1%22%3A%22L3080%22%7D%7D%2C%22Z21734K2%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z6825%22%2C%22Z6825K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6095%22%2C%22Z6095K1%22%3A%22L5791%22%7D%7D%7D this call (with error in Details)] with [https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z21734?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z21734%22%2C%22Z21734K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z6825%22%2C%22Z6825K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6095%22%2C%22Z6095K1%22%3A%22L3080%22%7D%7D%2C%22Z21734K2%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z6825%22%2C%22Z6825K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6095%22%2C%22Z6095K1%22%3A%22L5792%22%7D%7D%7D this one that succeeds].
:Even if the adjective were linked to the item, I think you would still fail to get the result you are looking for, because the function is not looking through the lexemes to find one that is an adjective. This is something we definitely need to do and I’m a little surprised that no one has done it yet. But only a little; there is still so much to do! [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 19:52, 2 April 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]]: I took some time to address this problem and concocted [[f:Z33078|Z33078]]. It passes one more test than the previous version, but two other tests (that the other implementations also failed) timed out. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]<sub>[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]<sub>[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]</sub></sub> ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 05:36, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
:::Neat! I have connected your implementation. [[User:Redmin|Redmin]] ([[User talk:Redmin|talk]]) 06:09, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
:::Thank you for your contribution. The new function will naturally claim more resources simply because it looks at more lexemes. The increase seems disproportionate, however, and I haven’t investigated why that might be. (Not that I’m claiming any expertise in that area!) [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 09:44, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
== Unable to select the function [[f:Z28016|Z28016]] while creating page [[Q628]] ==
I tried to add the function [[f:Z28016|Z28016]] on the page [[Q628]], but the selector didn't let me select the function, so i was forced to use the indonesian version of the function, and i think this is a bug, so i want to report it. [[User:Mattiz6276|Mattiz6276]] ([[User talk:Mattiz6276|talk]]) 19:11, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
:@[[User:Mattiz6276|Mattiz6276]]: The problem here is that [[f:Z28016|Z28016]] doesn't return a type that can be cast as HTML raw content, but rather monolingual text. Also, it looks like you wanted [[f:Z26570|Z26570]], so I changed it to use that. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]<sub>[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]<sub>[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]</sub></sub> ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 20:07, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
::Hi, i haven't been active on Abstract Wikipedia for a while (i mainly edit it.wiki), so sorry to not have answered you sooner.
::Thank you for helping me fix [[Q628]] and showing me what functions to use. [[User:Mattiz6276|Mattiz6276]] ([[User talk:Mattiz6276|talk]]) 07:54, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
== A language selector should be available, even for users not logged in ==
Abstract Wikipedia should have a language selector like [https://www.wikifunctions.org/ Wikifunctions] does, even for users not logged in to a Wikimedia account.
Without a language selector, it is not at all clear how people can even read the main page's introduction of Abstract Wikipedia in a language besides English.
The only way I see to change language is to add <code>uselang=[xx]</code> at the end of a URL with a language code like [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia:Main_page?uselang=de <code>uselang=de</code>] for German. But that is not easy for many users to discover.
[[User:Lovelano|Lovelano]] ([[User talk:Lovelano|talk]]) 00:45, 2 May 2026 (UTC)
== [[Q189125]] renders completely wrong ==
[[Q189125]] renders as the sentence "Transgender persons change gender identities." three times, even though that is very much not the structure of the page. Could anyone look at what's going on here? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]<sub>[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]<sub>[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]</sub></sub> ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 18:21, 17 May 2026 (UTC)
:Using [[f:Z33068]] seems to have fixed this. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:30, 18 May 2026 (UTC)
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== Unable to add Z29591 ==
I'm trying to create Q2409 with Z29591 but it doesn't show up. I use "string to HTML fragment" before each function. [[User:VidanaliK|VidanaliK]] ([[User talk:VidanaliK|talk]]) 00:37, 9 June 2026 (UTC)
: {{reply to|VidanaliK}} [[f:Z29591|Z29591]] has an output type of [[f:Z11|monolingual text]], so string to HTML fragment won't work. I personally recommend you use [[f:Z33068|paragraph from sentences]] (available in the drop-down), which handles this distinction for you without needing to use a function each time and handles spacing between sentences. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:03, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] As in, paragraph from sentences instead of string to HTML fragment? [[User:VidanaliK|VidanaliK]] ([[User talk:VidanaliK|talk]]) 02:21, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
::: Yes. When you select it there will be a list input. Click plus to add a sentence, then either click the three dots, then "function call", or type in "function call" and click enter. Then type in whatever function you want, it should accept anything. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:31, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] Well now it just gives errors: see the page Los Angeles. [[User:VidanaliK|VidanaliK]] ([[User talk:VidanaliK|talk]]) 17:30, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
::::: Oh, yeah, sometimes you'll run into technical issues. You can use [[f:Z29749]] for directly converting monolingual text outputs to HTML fragments. Sorry if this is confusing. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:34, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] Where? Can you edit the page "Los angeles" with what I have so far to fix the bug so I know where to put it? It is a bit confusing but might be easier if I see it firsthand. [[User:VidanaliK|VidanaliK]] ([[User talk:VidanaliK|talk]]) 21:25, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
::::::: Looks like the issue was the superlative definition function not working right now. It should look good now. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:37, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
== [[AW:]] and [[AT:]] pseudonamespaces ==
Requesting [[mw:pseudo-namespace|pseudo-]] or [[mw:manual:using custom namespaces|custom]] namespaces to be used for shortcut redirects for project and talk pages.
Right now you have to use the full [[Abstract Wikipedia:foo]] or [[Abstract Wikipedia talk:bar]] syntax for links to get to the right place (which is to say, somewhere not in mainspace a.k.a. abstractspace). Piped links can make it look shorter in the meantime while actually being longer. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 01:02, 19 June 2026 (UTC)
:FYI you can use <code>Project:</code> on any MediaWiki instance in any language. [[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 21:57, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
::Thanks, I think I did know that but forgot. It's a big improvement. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 22:07, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
== I seem to have found an error when trying to reveal system message identifiers in testwiki ==
→ https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris,_France?uselang=qqx c.f. https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris,_France [[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 21:59, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
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== Editing and viewing abstract pages do not work ==
Essentially the title. To reproduce, go to, say [[Q319]]. Notice you cannot use it (it just displays JSON), and when you try to edit it, the same JSON is shown and editable. I'm sure the team is aware, just writing this down. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:58, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
:[[User:Jdforrester (WMF)]] notes that abstract articles are being created in the wrong namespace, which seems the likely cause. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:00, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
== Function links are 404s ==
If I click from https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q142 to the function view https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/en/Z27868 I get a 404 error. That seems to be true for all the "Z" links. [[User:Eloquence|Eloquence]] ([[User talk:Eloquence|talk]]) 23:17, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
:This also seems to happen if you click "Read". [[User: Tenshi Hinanawi|Tenshi!]] ([[User talk: Tenshi Hinanawi|Talk page]]) 00:29, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
::It seems to try and view functions in Abstract Wikipedia when the functions are on Wikifunctions instead. https://wikifunctions.org/wiki/Z27868 is where the link should go. [[User:ChaoticVermillion|ChaoticVermillion]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|talk]]) 00:42, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
:Fix underway in [[phab:T420666|T420666: Our /view/ URLs aren't working on abstract.wikipedia.org, so we're generating links for users that don't work]]. Sorry for the disruption. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 12:43, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Note: This part is fixed; the second part is [[phab:T420670|T420670: from Abstract Wikipedia, links to ZIDs should go to Wikifunctions]] which will get deployed next week. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 16:42, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
== Search not working ==
Whne I search, say Canberra, which has an Abstract Wikipedia article, the search bar takes me to [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/en/Q3114?wprov=acrw1_0 Not Found], with an error. It should go to [[Q3114|Q3114 - Abstract Wikipedia]]. [[User:ChaoticVermillion|ChaoticVermillion]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|talk]]) 00:31, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
:Fix underway in [[phab:T420666|T420666: Our /view/ URLs aren't working on abstract.wikipedia.org, so we're generating links for users that don't work]] for this one too. Sorry for the disruption. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 12:43, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::This fix is now deployed. Sorry for the disruption! [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 16:42, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
== Undo not working ==
When I try to "undo" from history, it doesn't show the revert screen, but only shows the edit screen of the latest article. Maybe the same reason of mis-created namespace... [[User:Higa4|Higa4]] ([[User talk:Higa4|talk]]) 06:45, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
:Filed as [[phab:T420915|T420915: Attempting to undo an Abstract article edit appears to fail, and opens the editor with the current revision]]. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 12:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
== Special:CreateAbstract with an argument ==
Steps to reproduce:
* Go to [[Special:CreateAbstract/Q123456]]
* Add some content
* Try to publish
Error message:
<blockquote>The value of the 'qid' property ('Q0') does not match the page title 'Q123456'</blockquote>
[[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 00:38, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:I got this same error message when trying to [[Special:CreateAbstract/Q151]] (of course with it saying Q151 rather than Q123456). Also occurred when I tried to create a blank page. <span class="nowrap"><code>[[User:Dot.py|dot]][[User talk:Dot.py|.]][[Special:Contributions/Dot.py (alt)|p]][[Special:Contributions/Dot.py|y]]</code></span> 23:43, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:Filed as [[phab:T420916|T420916: Direct browses to Special:CreateAbstract/Q123456 don't work on publishing, attempt to publish to Q0]]. Thanks for the report! [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 12:49, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::This fix is now deployed. Sorry for the disruption! [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 16:43, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
== Pages can't be viewed ==
When trying to view pages longer than a sentence that aren't hard coded copies of articles from enwiki, I get "Reached max retries. Try again later." Is this expected behavior? [[User:MetalBreaksAndBends|MetalBreaksAndBends]] ([[User talk:MetalBreaksAndBends|talk]]) 13:59, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:ex: [[Q213]] [[User:MetalBreaksAndBends|MetalBreaksAndBends]] ([[User talk:MetalBreaksAndBends|talk]]) 14:00, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes it's a bug. Tracked in [[phab:T420630]]. {{[[User:GearsDatapacks|GearsDatapacks]]|[[User talk:GearsDatapacks|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/GearsDatapacks|contribs]]}} 14:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::Is there any progress on this bug being fixed? I think it is the number one issue keeping this wiki from being easily readable [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:36, 11 April 2026 (UTC)
== [[f:Z26095|Z26095]] not working ==
Hello, I could just file a task on Phabricator but checking here first. For some reason, I can't find [[f:Z26095|Z26095]] in the list of functions. [[User:FantasticWikiUser|FantasticWikiUser]] ([[User talk:FantasticWikiUser|talk]]) 17:33, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:@[[User:FantasticWikiUser|FantasticWikiUser]]: Z26095 outputs a "[https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en-gb/Z11 Monolingual text]" item, not a fragment of HTML, so it won't show up in search except in places you can use a monolingual text item, like as an argument to a Z32234 call. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 19:23, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
== Mainspace content model ==
The content model of abstract articles, as reported by <syntaxhighlight lang="wikitext" inline>{{#contentmodel:canonical|Q1}}</syntaxhighlight>, is <code>abstractwiki</code>. Can this be changed to something else more descriptive, akin to Wikidata's <code>wikibase-item</code>/<code>wikibase-lexeme</code>/<code>wikibase-property</code> and Wikifunctions's <code>zobject</code>? <code>abstractarticle</code>, for example. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 01:24, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
== 1 (Q199) isn't appearing when I choose it ==
For some reason, Q199 doesn't show up when it is used. 2 works fine. [[User:FantasticWikiUser|FantasticWikiUser]] ([[User talk:FantasticWikiUser|talk]]) 09:24, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:Example: [[Q199]] itself, or [[Q556]] [[User:FantasticWikiUser|FantasticWikiUser]] ([[User talk:FantasticWikiUser|talk]]) 09:31, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::On Wikidata, [[d:Q199]] didn't have a special label for English, instead using the default for all languages. The [[f:Z23753|label of item reference in language]] function was only able to find labels in the given language, without looking for defaults, so it showed up as nothing. I added an English label for 1, so everything should be fine now. [[User:ChaoticVermillion|<span style="color: orangered">Chaotic</span><span style="color: crimson">Vermillion</span>]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|converse]], [[Special:Contributions/ChaoticVermillion|contribs]]) 10:11, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
== Rate limits and other non-intelligible errors ==
I've been editing some pages here to experiment around, and the first thing I notice, aside from the very slow speed of how these very short sentences are constructed, are the constant errors I get. Some of these are:
* [[Q711]]<br/>Wikifunctions returned a failed response: Could not acquire WASI runner within time limit
* [[Q183]]<br/>Unable to render this fragment due to an unknown error.
There was also something about a rate limit for the orchestrator? Is this a problem with the WMF servers? I've never noticed these kinds of performance issues, even in wikis like en-WP which have stacks and stacks of Lua modules and wikitext templates built on top of each other! [[User:LastCelebration|'''<span style="color:#d98dd3;">Last</span><span style="color:#033a7f;">Celebration</span>''']] ([[User talk:LastCelebration|talk]]) 06:54, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
== Error: Lexeme lacks compatible representations ==
I have tried to create two articles using [[f:Z29743|Z29743]], one of which ([[Q467]]) has been successfully created. The other article was identical in structure, but linked the Wikidata items [[d:Q9800899|Q9800899]], [[d:Q6636|Q6636]], and [[d:Q467|Q467]]. However, neither article renders anything in English or French, throwing <code>Error: Lexeme lacks compatible representations</code>. Any ideas? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]<sub>[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]<sub>[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]</sub></sub> ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 18:52, 2 April 2026 (UTC)
:There is a similar error at [[Q111]]. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]<sub>[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]<sub>[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]</sub></sub> ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 19:25, 2 April 2026 (UTC)
:I think I’ve found the source of the error, and the problem is that the English lexemes with senses linking to [[:d:Q80994]] do not include the adjective [[:d:L5792]]. What you get instead is [[:d:L5791]], but that is a noun and therefore lacks the [[:d:Q3482678]] feature that the function is ultimately looking for. For English, we could avoid looking for that feature, but we currently don’t. Please compare [https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z21734?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z21734%22%2C%22Z21734K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z6825%22%2C%22Z6825K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6095%22%2C%22Z6095K1%22%3A%22L3080%22%7D%7D%2C%22Z21734K2%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z6825%22%2C%22Z6825K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6095%22%2C%22Z6095K1%22%3A%22L5791%22%7D%7D%7D this call (with error in Details)] with [https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z21734?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z21734%22%2C%22Z21734K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z6825%22%2C%22Z6825K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6095%22%2C%22Z6095K1%22%3A%22L3080%22%7D%7D%2C%22Z21734K2%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z6825%22%2C%22Z6825K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6095%22%2C%22Z6095K1%22%3A%22L5792%22%7D%7D%7D this one that succeeds].
:Even if the adjective were linked to the item, I think you would still fail to get the result you are looking for, because the function is not looking through the lexemes to find one that is an adjective. This is something we definitely need to do and I’m a little surprised that no one has done it yet. But only a little; there is still so much to do! [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 19:52, 2 April 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]]: I took some time to address this problem and concocted [[f:Z33078|Z33078]]. It passes one more test than the previous version, but two other tests (that the other implementations also failed) timed out. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]<sub>[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]<sub>[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]</sub></sub> ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 05:36, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
:::Neat! I have connected your implementation. [[User:Redmin|Redmin]] ([[User talk:Redmin|talk]]) 06:09, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
:::Thank you for your contribution. The new function will naturally claim more resources simply because it looks at more lexemes. The increase seems disproportionate, however, and I haven’t investigated why that might be. (Not that I’m claiming any expertise in that area!) [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 09:44, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
== Unable to select the function [[f:Z28016|Z28016]] while creating page [[Q628]] ==
I tried to add the function [[f:Z28016|Z28016]] on the page [[Q628]], but the selector didn't let me select the function, so i was forced to use the indonesian version of the function, and i think this is a bug, so i want to report it. [[User:Mattiz6276|Mattiz6276]] ([[User talk:Mattiz6276|talk]]) 19:11, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
:@[[User:Mattiz6276|Mattiz6276]]: The problem here is that [[f:Z28016|Z28016]] doesn't return a type that can be cast as HTML raw content, but rather monolingual text. Also, it looks like you wanted [[f:Z26570|Z26570]], so I changed it to use that. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]<sub>[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]<sub>[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]</sub></sub> ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 20:07, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
::Hi, i haven't been active on Abstract Wikipedia for a while (i mainly edit it.wiki), so sorry to not have answered you sooner.
::Thank you for helping me fix [[Q628]] and showing me what functions to use. [[User:Mattiz6276|Mattiz6276]] ([[User talk:Mattiz6276|talk]]) 07:54, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
== A language selector should be available, even for users not logged in ==
Abstract Wikipedia should have a language selector like [https://www.wikifunctions.org/ Wikifunctions] does, even for users not logged in to a Wikimedia account.
Without a language selector, it is not at all clear how people can even read the main page's introduction of Abstract Wikipedia in a language besides English.
The only way I see to change language is to add <code>uselang=[xx]</code> at the end of a URL with a language code like [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia:Main_page?uselang=de <code>uselang=de</code>] for German. But that is not easy for many users to discover.
[[User:Lovelano|Lovelano]] ([[User talk:Lovelano|talk]]) 00:45, 2 May 2026 (UTC)
== [[Q189125]] renders completely wrong ==
[[Q189125]] renders as the sentence "Transgender persons change gender identities." three times, even though that is very much not the structure of the page. Could anyone look at what's going on here? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]<sub>[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]<sub>[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]</sub></sub> ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 18:21, 17 May 2026 (UTC)
:Using [[f:Z33068]] seems to have fixed this. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:30, 18 May 2026 (UTC)
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== Unable to add Z29591 ==
I'm trying to create Q2409 with Z29591 but it doesn't show up. I use "string to HTML fragment" before each function. [[User:VidanaliK|VidanaliK]] ([[User talk:VidanaliK|talk]]) 00:37, 9 June 2026 (UTC)
: {{reply to|VidanaliK}} [[f:Z29591|Z29591]] has an output type of [[f:Z11|monolingual text]], so string to HTML fragment won't work. I personally recommend you use [[f:Z33068|paragraph from sentences]] (available in the drop-down), which handles this distinction for you without needing to use a function each time and handles spacing between sentences. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:03, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] As in, paragraph from sentences instead of string to HTML fragment? [[User:VidanaliK|VidanaliK]] ([[User talk:VidanaliK|talk]]) 02:21, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
::: Yes. When you select it there will be a list input. Click plus to add a sentence, then either click the three dots, then "function call", or type in "function call" and click enter. Then type in whatever function you want, it should accept anything. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:31, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] Well now it just gives errors: see the page Los Angeles. [[User:VidanaliK|VidanaliK]] ([[User talk:VidanaliK|talk]]) 17:30, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
::::: Oh, yeah, sometimes you'll run into technical issues. You can use [[f:Z29749]] for directly converting monolingual text outputs to HTML fragments. Sorry if this is confusing. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:34, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] Where? Can you edit the page "Los angeles" with what I have so far to fix the bug so I know where to put it? It is a bit confusing but might be easier if I see it firsthand. [[User:VidanaliK|VidanaliK]] ([[User talk:VidanaliK|talk]]) 21:25, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
::::::: Looks like the issue was the superlative definition function not working right now. It should look good now. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:37, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
== [[AW:]] and [[AT:]] pseudonamespaces ==
Requesting [[mw:pseudo-namespace|pseudo-]] or [[mw:manual:using custom namespaces|custom]] namespaces to be used for shortcut redirects for project and talk pages.
Right now you have to use the full [[Abstract Wikipedia:foo]] or [[Abstract Wikipedia talk:bar]] syntax for links to get to the right place (which is to say, somewhere not in mainspace a.k.a. abstractspace). Piped links can make it look shorter in the meantime while actually being longer. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 01:02, 19 June 2026 (UTC)
:FYI you can use <code>Project:</code> on any MediaWiki instance in any language. [[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 21:57, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
::Thanks, I think I did know that but forgot. It's a big improvement. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 22:07, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
== I seem to have found an error when trying to reveal system message identifiers in testwiki ==
→ https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris,_France?uselang=qqx c.f. https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris,_France [[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 21:59, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
== Image bug ==
See [[talk:Q90#image]] [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 22:14, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
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== Editing and viewing abstract pages do not work ==
Essentially the title. To reproduce, go to, say [[Q319]]. Notice you cannot use it (it just displays JSON), and when you try to edit it, the same JSON is shown and editable. I'm sure the team is aware, just writing this down. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 18:58, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
:[[User:Jdforrester (WMF)]] notes that abstract articles are being created in the wrong namespace, which seems the likely cause. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:00, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
== Function links are 404s ==
If I click from https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q142 to the function view https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/en/Z27868 I get a 404 error. That seems to be true for all the "Z" links. [[User:Eloquence|Eloquence]] ([[User talk:Eloquence|talk]]) 23:17, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
:This also seems to happen if you click "Read". [[User: Tenshi Hinanawi|Tenshi!]] ([[User talk: Tenshi Hinanawi|Talk page]]) 00:29, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
::It seems to try and view functions in Abstract Wikipedia when the functions are on Wikifunctions instead. https://wikifunctions.org/wiki/Z27868 is where the link should go. [[User:ChaoticVermillion|ChaoticVermillion]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|talk]]) 00:42, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
:Fix underway in [[phab:T420666|T420666: Our /view/ URLs aren't working on abstract.wikipedia.org, so we're generating links for users that don't work]]. Sorry for the disruption. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 12:43, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::Note: This part is fixed; the second part is [[phab:T420670|T420670: from Abstract Wikipedia, links to ZIDs should go to Wikifunctions]] which will get deployed next week. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 16:42, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
== Search not working ==
Whne I search, say Canberra, which has an Abstract Wikipedia article, the search bar takes me to [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/view/en/Q3114?wprov=acrw1_0 Not Found], with an error. It should go to [[Q3114|Q3114 - Abstract Wikipedia]]. [[User:ChaoticVermillion|ChaoticVermillion]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|talk]]) 00:31, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
:Fix underway in [[phab:T420666|T420666: Our /view/ URLs aren't working on abstract.wikipedia.org, so we're generating links for users that don't work]] for this one too. Sorry for the disruption. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 12:43, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::This fix is now deployed. Sorry for the disruption! [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 16:42, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
== Undo not working ==
When I try to "undo" from history, it doesn't show the revert screen, but only shows the edit screen of the latest article. Maybe the same reason of mis-created namespace... [[User:Higa4|Higa4]] ([[User talk:Higa4|talk]]) 06:45, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
:Filed as [[phab:T420915|T420915: Attempting to undo an Abstract article edit appears to fail, and opens the editor with the current revision]]. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 12:48, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
== Special:CreateAbstract with an argument ==
Steps to reproduce:
* Go to [[Special:CreateAbstract/Q123456]]
* Add some content
* Try to publish
Error message:
<blockquote>The value of the 'qid' property ('Q0') does not match the page title 'Q123456'</blockquote>
[[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 00:38, 21 March 2026 (UTC)
:I got this same error message when trying to [[Special:CreateAbstract/Q151]] (of course with it saying Q151 rather than Q123456). Also occurred when I tried to create a blank page. <span class="nowrap"><code>[[User:Dot.py|dot]][[User talk:Dot.py|.]][[Special:Contributions/Dot.py (alt)|p]][[Special:Contributions/Dot.py|y]]</code></span> 23:43, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
:Filed as [[phab:T420916|T420916: Direct browses to Special:CreateAbstract/Q123456 don't work on publishing, attempt to publish to Q0]]. Thanks for the report! [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 12:49, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
::This fix is now deployed. Sorry for the disruption! [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 16:43, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
== Pages can't be viewed ==
When trying to view pages longer than a sentence that aren't hard coded copies of articles from enwiki, I get "Reached max retries. Try again later." Is this expected behavior? [[User:MetalBreaksAndBends|MetalBreaksAndBends]] ([[User talk:MetalBreaksAndBends|talk]]) 13:59, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:ex: [[Q213]] [[User:MetalBreaksAndBends|MetalBreaksAndBends]] ([[User talk:MetalBreaksAndBends|talk]]) 14:00, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yes it's a bug. Tracked in [[phab:T420630]]. {{[[User:GearsDatapacks|GearsDatapacks]]|[[User talk:GearsDatapacks|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/GearsDatapacks|contribs]]}} 14:09, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
::Is there any progress on this bug being fixed? I think it is the number one issue keeping this wiki from being easily readable [[User:Immanuelle|Immanuelle]] ([[User talk:Immanuelle|talk]]) 23:36, 11 April 2026 (UTC)
== [[f:Z26095|Z26095]] not working ==
Hello, I could just file a task on Phabricator but checking here first. For some reason, I can't find [[f:Z26095|Z26095]] in the list of functions. [[User:FantasticWikiUser|FantasticWikiUser]] ([[User talk:FantasticWikiUser|talk]]) 17:33, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
:@[[User:FantasticWikiUser|FantasticWikiUser]]: Z26095 outputs a "[https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en-gb/Z11 Monolingual text]" item, not a fragment of HTML, so it won't show up in search except in places you can use a monolingual text item, like as an argument to a Z32234 call. [[User:Jdforrester (WMF)|Jdforrester (WMF)]] ([[User talk:Jdforrester (WMF)|talk]]) 19:23, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
== Mainspace content model ==
The content model of abstract articles, as reported by <syntaxhighlight lang="wikitext" inline>{{#contentmodel:canonical|Q1}}</syntaxhighlight>, is <code>abstractwiki</code>. Can this be changed to something else more descriptive, akin to Wikidata's <code>wikibase-item</code>/<code>wikibase-lexeme</code>/<code>wikibase-property</code> and Wikifunctions's <code>zobject</code>? <code>abstractarticle</code>, for example. [[User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh|<span class="skin-invert" style="color:black;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:110%;font-weight:normal;line-height:normal">NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh</span>]] 01:24, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
== 1 (Q199) isn't appearing when I choose it ==
For some reason, Q199 doesn't show up when it is used. 2 works fine. [[User:FantasticWikiUser|FantasticWikiUser]] ([[User talk:FantasticWikiUser|talk]]) 09:24, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
:Example: [[Q199]] itself, or [[Q556]] [[User:FantasticWikiUser|FantasticWikiUser]] ([[User talk:FantasticWikiUser|talk]]) 09:31, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
::On Wikidata, [[d:Q199]] didn't have a special label for English, instead using the default for all languages. The [[f:Z23753|label of item reference in language]] function was only able to find labels in the given language, without looking for defaults, so it showed up as nothing. I added an English label for 1, so everything should be fine now. [[User:ChaoticVermillion|<span style="color: orangered">Chaotic</span><span style="color: crimson">Vermillion</span>]] ([[User talk:ChaoticVermillion|converse]], [[Special:Contributions/ChaoticVermillion|contribs]]) 10:11, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
== Rate limits and other non-intelligible errors ==
I've been editing some pages here to experiment around, and the first thing I notice, aside from the very slow speed of how these very short sentences are constructed, are the constant errors I get. Some of these are:
* [[Q711]]<br/>Wikifunctions returned a failed response: Could not acquire WASI runner within time limit
* [[Q183]]<br/>Unable to render this fragment due to an unknown error.
There was also something about a rate limit for the orchestrator? Is this a problem with the WMF servers? I've never noticed these kinds of performance issues, even in wikis like en-WP which have stacks and stacks of Lua modules and wikitext templates built on top of each other! [[User:LastCelebration|'''<span style="color:#d98dd3;">Last</span><span style="color:#033a7f;">Celebration</span>''']] ([[User talk:LastCelebration|talk]]) 06:54, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
== Error: Lexeme lacks compatible representations ==
I have tried to create two articles using [[f:Z29743|Z29743]], one of which ([[Q467]]) has been successfully created. The other article was identical in structure, but linked the Wikidata items [[d:Q9800899|Q9800899]], [[d:Q6636|Q6636]], and [[d:Q467|Q467]]. However, neither article renders anything in English or French, throwing <code>Error: Lexeme lacks compatible representations</code>. Any ideas? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]<sub>[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]<sub>[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]</sub></sub> ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 18:52, 2 April 2026 (UTC)
:There is a similar error at [[Q111]]. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]<sub>[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]<sub>[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]</sub></sub> ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 19:25, 2 April 2026 (UTC)
:I think I’ve found the source of the error, and the problem is that the English lexemes with senses linking to [[:d:Q80994]] do not include the adjective [[:d:L5792]]. What you get instead is [[:d:L5791]], but that is a noun and therefore lacks the [[:d:Q3482678]] feature that the function is ultimately looking for. For English, we could avoid looking for that feature, but we currently don’t. Please compare [https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z21734?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z21734%22%2C%22Z21734K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z6825%22%2C%22Z6825K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6095%22%2C%22Z6095K1%22%3A%22L3080%22%7D%7D%2C%22Z21734K2%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z6825%22%2C%22Z6825K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6095%22%2C%22Z6095K1%22%3A%22L5791%22%7D%7D%7D this call (with error in Details)] with [https://www.wikifunctions.org/view/en/Z21734?call=%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z21734%22%2C%22Z21734K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z6825%22%2C%22Z6825K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6095%22%2C%22Z6095K1%22%3A%22L3080%22%7D%7D%2C%22Z21734K2%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z7%22%2C%22Z7K1%22%3A%22Z6825%22%2C%22Z6825K1%22%3A%7B%22Z1K1%22%3A%22Z6095%22%2C%22Z6095K1%22%3A%22L5792%22%7D%7D%7D this one that succeeds].
:Even if the adjective were linked to the item, I think you would still fail to get the result you are looking for, because the function is not looking through the lexemes to find one that is an adjective. This is something we definitely need to do and I’m a little surprised that no one has done it yet. But only a little; there is still so much to do! [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 19:52, 2 April 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]]: I took some time to address this problem and concocted [[f:Z33078|Z33078]]. It passes one more test than the previous version, but two other tests (that the other implementations also failed) timed out. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]<sub>[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]<sub>[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]</sub></sub> ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 05:36, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
:::Neat! I have connected your implementation. [[User:Redmin|Redmin]] ([[User talk:Redmin|talk]]) 06:09, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
:::Thank you for your contribution. The new function will naturally claim more resources simply because it looks at more lexemes. The increase seems disproportionate, however, and I haven’t investigated why that might be. (Not that I’m claiming any expertise in that area!) [[User:GrounderUK|GrounderUK]] ([[User talk:GrounderUK|talk]]) 09:44, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
== Unable to select the function [[f:Z28016|Z28016]] while creating page [[Q628]] ==
I tried to add the function [[f:Z28016|Z28016]] on the page [[Q628]], but the selector didn't let me select the function, so i was forced to use the indonesian version of the function, and i think this is a bug, so i want to report it. [[User:Mattiz6276|Mattiz6276]] ([[User talk:Mattiz6276|talk]]) 19:11, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
:@[[User:Mattiz6276|Mattiz6276]]: The problem here is that [[f:Z28016|Z28016]] doesn't return a type that can be cast as HTML raw content, but rather monolingual text. Also, it looks like you wanted [[f:Z26570|Z26570]], so I changed it to use that. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]<sub>[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]<sub>[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]</sub></sub> ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 20:07, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
::Hi, i haven't been active on Abstract Wikipedia for a while (i mainly edit it.wiki), so sorry to not have answered you sooner.
::Thank you for helping me fix [[Q628]] and showing me what functions to use. [[User:Mattiz6276|Mattiz6276]] ([[User talk:Mattiz6276|talk]]) 07:54, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
== A language selector should be available, even for users not logged in ==
Abstract Wikipedia should have a language selector like [https://www.wikifunctions.org/ Wikifunctions] does, even for users not logged in to a Wikimedia account.
Without a language selector, it is not at all clear how people can even read the main page's introduction of Abstract Wikipedia in a language besides English.
The only way I see to change language is to add <code>uselang=[xx]</code> at the end of a URL with a language code like [https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia:Main_page?uselang=de <code>uselang=de</code>] for German. But that is not easy for many users to discover.
[[User:Lovelano|Lovelano]] ([[User talk:Lovelano|talk]]) 00:45, 2 May 2026 (UTC)
== [[Q189125]] renders completely wrong ==
[[Q189125]] renders as the sentence "Transgender persons change gender identities." three times, even though that is very much not the structure of the page. Could anyone look at what's going on here? [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]<sub>[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]<sub>[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]</sub></sub> ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 18:21, 17 May 2026 (UTC)
:Using [[f:Z33068]] seems to have fixed this. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 14:30, 18 May 2026 (UTC)
== Survey (proposed direction for Wishlist) ==
You are invited to voice your opinion on a new [[m:Talk:Community Wishlist#Proposed direction for Wishlist|community-proposed direction]] for the [[m:Community Wishlist|Community Wishlist]]. {{Int:Feedback-thanks-title}} [[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|talk]]) 03:07, 29 May 2026 (UTC)
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== Unable to add Z29591 ==
I'm trying to create Q2409 with Z29591 but it doesn't show up. I use "string to HTML fragment" before each function. [[User:VidanaliK|VidanaliK]] ([[User talk:VidanaliK|talk]]) 00:37, 9 June 2026 (UTC)
: {{reply to|VidanaliK}} [[f:Z29591|Z29591]] has an output type of [[f:Z11|monolingual text]], so string to HTML fragment won't work. I personally recommend you use [[f:Z33068|paragraph from sentences]] (available in the drop-down), which handles this distinction for you without needing to use a function each time and handles spacing between sentences. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:03, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] As in, paragraph from sentences instead of string to HTML fragment? [[User:VidanaliK|VidanaliK]] ([[User talk:VidanaliK|talk]]) 02:21, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
::: Yes. When you select it there will be a list input. Click plus to add a sentence, then either click the three dots, then "function call", or type in "function call" and click enter. Then type in whatever function you want, it should accept anything. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 02:31, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
::::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] Well now it just gives errors: see the page Los Angeles. [[User:VidanaliK|VidanaliK]] ([[User talk:VidanaliK|talk]]) 17:30, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
::::: Oh, yeah, sometimes you'll run into technical issues. You can use [[f:Z29749]] for directly converting monolingual text outputs to HTML fragments. Sorry if this is confusing. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:34, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
::::::@[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] Where? Can you edit the page "Los angeles" with what I have so far to fix the bug so I know where to put it? It is a bit confusing but might be easier if I see it firsthand. [[User:VidanaliK|VidanaliK]] ([[User talk:VidanaliK|talk]]) 21:25, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
::::::: Looks like the issue was the superlative definition function not working right now. It should look good now. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 22:37, 10 June 2026 (UTC)
== [[AW:]] and [[AT:]] pseudonamespaces ==
Requesting [[mw:pseudo-namespace|pseudo-]] or [[mw:manual:using custom namespaces|custom]] namespaces to be used for shortcut redirects for project and talk pages.
Right now you have to use the full [[Abstract Wikipedia:foo]] or [[Abstract Wikipedia talk:bar]] syntax for links to get to the right place (which is to say, somewhere not in mainspace a.k.a. abstractspace). Piped links can make it look shorter in the meantime while actually being longer. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 01:02, 19 June 2026 (UTC)
:FYI you can use <code>Project:</code> on any MediaWiki instance in any language. [[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 21:57, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
::Thanks, I think I did know that but forgot. It's a big improvement. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 22:07, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
== I seem to have found an error when trying to reveal system message identifiers in testwiki ==
→ https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris,_France?uselang=qqx c.f. https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris,_France [[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 21:59, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
== Image bug ==
See [[talk:Q90#image]] [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 22:14, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
:This is being tracked on Phabricator [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T433448 (T433448)] [[User:EatingCarBatteries|EatingCarBatteries]] ([[User talk:EatingCarBatteries|talk]]) 07:10, 29 July 2026 (UTC)
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"Z1K1": "Z6091",
"Z6091K1": "Q5119"
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"Z37011K3": {
"Z1K1": "Z6091",
"Z6091K1": "Q142"
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"Z1K1": "Z18",
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"Z1K1": "Z18",
"Z18K1": "Z825K1"
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"Z1K1": "Z7",
"Z7K1": "Z35672",
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For more discussion and tracking of fragment functions, see [[:f:Wikifunctions:Abstract Wikipedia/2025 fragment experiments|Wikifunctions:Abstract Wikipedia/2025 fragment experiments]].
For a list of functions relating to natural language, see [[f:Wikifunctions:Catalogue/Natural language operations/Global language functions|Wikifunctions:Catalogue/Natural language operations/Global language functions]].
== Common sentence templates ==
=== X is a(n) [instance of] Y ===
Function [[f:Z26039|subject is instance of <small>(Z26039)</small>]] creates a sentence in the form {{xt|"X is a(n) [instance of] Y."}} — or abstractly, <code>{{color|red|entity}} is a(n) [instance of] {{color|blue|class}}</code>.
; Example
: {{color|red|Entity}}: {{Q|Q3870}}
: {{color|blue|Class}}: {{Q|Q515}}
: {{color|dimgray|Language}}: English
: <hr/>
: Result: {{xt|"Nairobi is a city."}}
: {{color|mediumvioletred|Type}}: [[f:Z6|String <small>(Z6)</small>]]
The '''entity''' field (X in the formula above) should be the subject (typically, but not always, your abstract article's subject). The '''class''' field should be what the entity is being described as.
Note that, in some languages, this function converts the first letter of the subject's name to uppercase, which may not always be appropriate. If needed, you can use [[f:Z32953]] to undo that behavior.
=== X is a(n) Y Z ===
Function [[f:Z29591|describing entity with adjective / class <small>(Z29591)</small>]] creates a sentence in the form {{xt|"X is a(n) Y Z."}} — or abstractly, <code>{{color|red|entity}} is a(n) {{color|blue|adjective}} {{color|darkorange|class}}</code>.
; Example
: {{color|red|Entity}}: {{Q|Q925}}
: {{color|blue|Adjective}}: {{Q|Q11435}}
: {{color|darkorange|Class}}: {{Q|Q11344}}
: {{color|dimgray|Language}}: English
: <hr/>
: Result: {{xt|"Mercury is a liquid chemical element."}}
: {{color|mediumvioletred|Type}}: [[f:Z11|Monolingual text <small>(Z11)</small>]]
=== A(n) X is a(n) [kind of] Y ===
[[f:Z26095]] creates a sentence in the form {{xt|"A(n) X is a(n) [kind of] Y."}} — or abstractly, <code>{{color|red|entity}} is a(n) [kind of] {{color|blue|class}}</code>.
; Example
: {{color|red|Entity}}: {{Q|Q89}}
: {{color|blue|Class}}: {{Q|Q3314483}}
: {{color|dimgray|Language}}: English
: <hr/>
: Result: {{xt|"An apple is a fruit."}}
: {{color|mediumvioletred|Type}}: [[f:Z11|Monolingual text <small>(Z11)</small>]]
The '''entity''' field should be the subject (typically, but not always, your abstract article's subject). The '''class''' field should be what it is being described as.
=== Xs are Ys ===
[[f:Z26627]] creates a sentence in the form {{xt|"Xs are Ys."}} — or abstractly, <code>{{color|red|entities}} are {{color|blue|classes}}</code>.
; Example
: {{color|red|Entity}}: {{Q|Q25894}}
: {{color|blue|Class}}: {{Q|Q110551885}}
: {{color|dimgray|Language}}: English
: <hr/>
: Result: {{xt|"Antelopes are mammals."}}
: {{color|mediumvioletred|Type}}: [[f:Z11|Monolingual text <small>(Z11)</small>]]
=== A(n) X is a(n) Y Z ===
Function [[f:Z29743|description of class with adjective and superclass <small>(Z29743)</small>]] creates a sentence in the form {{xt|"A(n) X is a(n) Y Z."}} — or abstractly, <code>A(n) {{color|red|entity}} is a(n) {{color|blue|adjective}} {{color|darkorange|class}}</code>.
; Example
: {{color|red|Entity}}: {{Q|Q15783}}
: {{color|blue|Adjective}}: {{Q|Q16042592}}
: {{color|darkorange|Class}}: {{Q|Q106839123}}
: {{color|dimgray|Language}}: English
: <hr/>
: Result: {{xt|"A skateboard is a small means of transport."}}
: {{color|mediumvioletred|Type}}: [[f:Z11|Monolingual text <small>(Z11)</small>]]
=== X is the Y of Z ===
[[f:Z28016]] creates a sentence in the form {{xt|"X is the Y of Z."}} — or abstractly, <code>{{color|red|subject}} is the {{color|blue|role}} of {{color|darkorange|dependency}}</code>.
; Example
: {{color|red|Subject}}: {{Q|Q3870}}
: {{color|blue|Role}}: {{Q|Q5119}}
: {{color|darkorange|Dependency}}: {{Q|Q114}}
: {{color|dimgray|Language}}: English
: <hr/>
: Result: {{xt|"Nairobi is the capital city of Kenya."}}
: {{color|mediumvioletred|Type}}: [[f:Z11|Monolingual text <small>(Z11)</small>]]
The '''subject''' field should be the subject (typically, but not always, your abstract article's subject). The '''role''' field should be which role it serves to the dependency. The '''dependency''' field should be what is related to the subject.
=== X is the Y-est Z in W ===
[[f:Z27243]] creates a sentence in the form {{xt|"X is the Y-est Z in W."}} — or abstractly, <code>{{color|red|entity}} is the {{color|blue|adjectivest}} {{color|darkorange|class}} in {{color|purple|location}}</code>.
; Example
: {{color|red|Entity}}: {{Q|Q5413}}
: {{color|blue|Adjective}}: {{Q|Q36253}}
: {{color|darkorange|Class}}: {{Q|Q4022}}
: {{color|purple|Location}}: {{Q|Q48}}
: {{color|dimgray|Language}}: English
: <hr/>
: Result: {{xt|"Yangtze is the longest river in Asia."}}
: {{color|mediumvioletred|Type}}: [[f:Z11|Monolingual text <small>(Z11)</small>]]
=== X is a Y in Z ===
[[f:Z26570]] creates a sentence in the form {{xt|"X is a Y in Z."}} — or abstractly, <code>{{color|red|entity}} is a {{color|blue|class}} in {{color|darkorange|location}}</code>.
; Example
: {{color|red|Entity}}: {{Q|Q3870}}
: {{color|blue|Class}}: {{Q|Q515}}
: {{color|darkorange|Location}}: {{Q|Q114}}
: {{color|dimgray|Language}}: English
: <hr/>
: Result: {{xt|"Nairobi is a city in Kenya."}}
: {{color|mediumvioletred|Type}}: [[f:Z11|Monolingual text <small>(Z11)</small>]]
The '''entity''' field should be the subject (typically, but not always, your abstract article's subject). The '''class''' field should be what is being described as. The '''location''' field should say where it is located. It should only be used for physical locations.
=== Xs are Ys of Z ===
[[f:Z32326]] creates a sentence in the form {{xt|"Xs are Ys of Z."}} — or abstractly, <code>{{color|red|subjects}} are {{color|blue|roles}} of {{color|darkorange|dependency}}</code>.
; Example
: {{color|red|Subject}}: {{Q|Q523}}
: {{color|blue|Role}}: {{Q|Q31464082}}
: {{color|darkorange|Dependency}}: {{Q|Q9128}}
: {{color|dimgray|Language}}: English
: <hr/>
: Result: {{xt|"Stars are sources of light."}}
: {{color|mediumvioletred|Type}}: [[f:Z11|Monolingual text <small>(Z11)</small>]]
The '''subject''' field should be the subject (typically, but not always, your abstract article's subject). The '''role''' field should be which role it serves to the dependency. The '''dependency''' field should be what is related to the subject.
=== X verbs Y ===
{{see also|Abstract Wikipedia:Useful verbs}}
[[f:Z33185]] creates a sentence in the form {{xt|"X verbs Y."}} — or abstractly, <code>{{color|red|subject}} {{color|blue|verbs}} {{color|darkorange|object}}</code>.
; Example
: {{color|red|Subject}}: {{Q|Q45}}
: {{color|blue|Verb}}: {{Q|Q133346}}
: {{color|darkorange|Object}}: {{Q|Q29}}
: {{color|dimgray|Language}}: English
: <hr/>
: Result: [[f:Z33185]]: {{xt|"Portugal borders Spain."}}
: {{color|mediumvioletred|Type}}: [[f:Z11|Monolingual text <small>(Z11)</small>]]
The '''subject''' field should be the subject (typically, but not always, your abstract article's subject). The '''object''' field should be the entity or concept that the subject is acting upon or relating to (i.e. what receives the action in the sentence). The '''verb''' field should describe the type of relationship or action between the subject and object, typically expressed as a base concept that can be converted into a natural verb.
=== Xs verb Ys ===
{{see also|Abstract Wikipedia:Useful verbs}}
[[f:Z32531]] creates a sentence in the form {{xt|"Xs verb Ys."}} — or abstractly, <code>{{color|red|subjects}} {{color|blue|verb}} {{color|darkorange|objects}}</code>.
; Example
: {{color|red|Subject}}: {{Q|Q523}}
: {{color|blue|Verb}}: {{Q|Q6014822}}
: {{color|darkorange|Object}}: {{Q|Q11426}}
: {{color|dimgray|Language}}: English
: <hr/>
: Results: [[f:Z32531]]: {{xt|"Stars contain metals."}}
: {{color|mediumvioletred|Type}}: [[f:Z11|Monolingual text <small>(Z11)</small>]]
The '''subject''' field should be the subject (typically, but not always, your abstract article's subject). The '''object''' field should be the entity or concept that the subject is acting upon or relating to (i.e. what receives the action in the sentence). The '''verb''' field should describe the type of relationship or action between the subject and object, typically expressed as a base concept that can be converted into a natural verb.
== Utilities ==
=== Sentence-case section title from Wikidata label ===
[[f:Z32145]] makes a capitalised section title (level 2 heading), using the label of the chosen Wikidata item from the appropriate language or a fallback.
; Example
: {{color|red|Entity}}: {{Q|Q309}}
: {{color|dimgray|Language}}: English
: <hr/>
: Result: {{xt|"<nowiki><h2>History</h2></nowiki>"}}
: {{color|mediumvioletred|Type}}: [[f:Z89|HTML fragment <small>(Z89)</small>]]
[[f:Z32839]] is a plural version of [[f:Z32145]].
; Example
: {{color|red|Entity}}: {{Q|Q121769}}
: {{color|dimgray|Language}}: English
: <hr/>
: Result: {{xt|"<nowiki><h2>References</h2></nowiki>"}}
: {{color|mediumvioletred|Type}}: [[f:Z89|HTML fragment <small>(Z89)</small>]]
=== Join text-like objects into HTML fragments ===
[[f:Z32234]] combines certain text-like objects (currently [[f:Z6|strings]], [[f:Z11|monolingual texts]], and [[f:Z89|HTML fragments]]) into one big HTML fragment. It is useful for making multi-sentence paragraphs and avoiding the divide between the 3 types in linguistic functions.
===Main articles===
[[f:Z36083]] creates an HTML hatnote pointing the reader to a main article given the article and a language.
=== Monolingual text as HTML fragment w/ auto-langcode ===
[[f:Z29749]] converts a monolingual text into an HTML fragment. If the target language is not matched, it prepends a language code. This helps to still display a fallback when the functions available to a language are incomplete.
===Wikilinks===
[[f:Z32428]] creates an Abstract wikilink (hyperlink) to a given article given the article an a language. To make the label appear different than the link's article name, use [[f:Z36489]].
===Sentence separators===
[[f:Z35672]] adds an HTML sentence separator between fragments. This function exists because not every language uses a space character - for example, a "space" in Chinese and Japanese should be blank strings.
===Images===
[[f:Z36038]] embeds an image onto the page given a Commons image and an (optional) string alternative text. To make the alt text be the label of a Wikidata item, use [[f:Z38053]]
==Introductory paragraphs ==
===Species===
[[f:Z37922]] creates an introductory paragraph for species articles, including information about the family, conservation, and describing authority.
; Example
: {{color|red|Species}}: Canis lupus
: {{color|darkorange|Hypernym}}: big cat
: {{color|dimgray|Language}}: English
: <hr/>
: Result: {{xt|Panthera leo, also known as the Lion, is a species of big cat in the family Felidae. The species was described in 1758 by Carl Linnaeus. Panthera leo has been assessed as Vulnerable by the International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN).}} <br />(''HTML formatting has been removed due to length - for a full example, see [[Q18498]]'')
: {{color|mediumvioletred|Type}}: [[f:Z89|HTML fragment <small>(Z89)</small>]]
If you do not want to manually add hypernym (describing phrase) to the paragraph, you can use [[f:Z37921]], which will make the word the order of the species.
: Result: {{xt|Panthera leo, also known as the Lion, is a species of <mark>Carnivora</mark> in the family Felidae. ...}}
===Years===
[[f:Z20898]] creates a string paragraph providing basic information about the given year, given a Gregorian year ({{Q|Q39628023}}) and a language.
; Example
: {{color|red|Year}}: 2000
: {{color|dimgray|Language}}: English
: <hr/>
: Result: {{xt|"<nowiki>2000 (MM) was a leap year starting on Saturday of the Gregorian calendar, the 2000th year of the Common Era (CE) and Anno Domini (AD) designations, the 1000th year of the 2nd millennium, the 100th year of the 20th century, and the 1st year of the 2000s decade.</nowiki>"}}
: {{color|mediumvioletred|Type}}: [[f:Z6|String <small>(Z6)</small>]]
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== Rewriting this page ==
I repeated the steps from [[Help:How to create an article]] and rewriting this page without any warnings. "Undo" from page history not working. [[User:Bolo1910|Bolo1910]] ([[User talk:Bolo1910|talk]]) 12:28, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
:Yeah, the software is still in early beta so there are quite a few bugs. I'll report them to Phabricator. [[User:GearsDatapacks|GearsDatapacks]] ([[User talk:GearsDatapacks|talk]]) 12:47, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
::Thank you! [[User:Bolo1910|Bolo1910]] ([[User talk:Bolo1910|talk]]) 12:54, 20 March 2026 (UTC)
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This page is the venue to request for the deletion of pages that cannot be speedy deleted (see also [[Template:Delete]]).
[[Category:Abstract Wikipedia administration]]
== Scholarly articles ==
* [[Q67404404]] {{Q|67404404}}
* [[Q50082993]] {{Q|50082993}}
* [[Q68271926]] {{Q|68271926}}
* [[Q114133712]] {{Q|114133712}}
There is very little abstract encyclopedic content that can come out of a page about a specific, non-notable scholarly article. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]<sub>[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]<sub>[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]</sub></sub> ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 19:07, 18 May 2026 (UTC)
:We currently don't have a community-ratified definition of notability. I've tried to kick off this discussion [[Project:Notability|here]]. For now, I ask that stewards/global sysops '''wait''' until we come to a consensus on a policy. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:10, 18 May 2026 (UTC)
::{{ping|JJPMaster}} very interesting request. I'm not entirely sure... I would tend to agree for these papers but not all of them ({{Q|Q30249683}} exists on 16 Wikipedias for instance), so where to put the threshold between notable and non-notable? on which criteria? Anyway, I agree to ''wait'' until the community reach a consensus on what is notable on AW. Also, I'm pinging {{ping|Immanuelle}} who created these articles. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 14:13, 30 May 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Feeglgeef}} the notability discussion does seems to be moving, meanwhile it's seems more and more obvious that these page are not good (see the deletion request below too). Should we still wait? I don't think so anymore. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 08:36, 19 July 2026 (UTC)
:::: Sure, sounds good. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:44, 19 July 2026 (UTC)
*{{vd}} low quality, no response or improvement. The case for significance of these topics is not made in the articles. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 07:26, 15 July 2026 (UTC)
{{done}} [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 05:27, 20 July 2026 (UTC)
== [[Q6489603]] ==
See [[Talk:Q6489603]]. This does not work as a category, it is more an article about a category. --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 08:34, 31 May 2026 (UTC)
: Under my [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability|proposed notability guideline]], this would not be notable, so I {{s}} deletion [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:30, 31 May 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] @[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] Although the page has been deleted, I believe that the vague wording related to categories (and templates) should be clarified. Please review and improve the deletion policy to help current and future contributors better understand how categories are handled. Refer [[Abstract Wikipedia talk:Deletion policy#Categories]] [[User:Jsamwrites|John Samuel]] ([[User:Jsamwrites|talk]]) 15:07, 18 June 2026 (UTC)
:{{Done|Deleted}} <span style="font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold">[[User:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">~/Bunny</span><span style="color:#2c5282">pranav</span>]]:<[[User talk:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">ping</span>]]></span> 14:07, 17 June 2026 (UTC)
== Creations by XeNivalys ==
[[user:XeNivalys]] has posted several pages as part of their cross-wiki spam crusade. Please delete them all and if possible issue a block. --[[User:Bedivere|Bedivere]] ([[User talk:Bedivere|talk]]) 04:53, 9 June 2026 (UTC)
:{{Done|Deleted}}. 🪶-[[User:Tanbiruzzaman|<span style="font-family:monospace;color:#006400;letter-spacing:1px;">TΛNBIRUZZΛMΛN</span>]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|💬]]) 08:33, 9 June 2026 (UTC)
== auto-created broken articles ==
I suggest we do a bit of a cleanup of pages that were created by a software tool, using immature functions that have been deprecated for months, that would be very annoying to clean up by hand. So I propose deletion of the following (feel free to add to this list anything that matches this description). No prejudice to re-creation if anyone wants to make them good. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 07:20, 15 July 2026 (UTC)
* [[Q11378973]]
* [[Q11433427]]
* [[Q11395853]]
* [[Q11465292]]
* [[Q11467693]]
* [[Q7768]]
[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 07:20, 15 July 2026 (UTC)
: I thout the same, or even more: I would like to discuss if it is best to delete outdated articles. There is a lot of discussion and critique about a lot of those articles. I think in particular to articles created by @Immanuelle, that are not edited afterwards by somebody else. Those articles were a) created in mass and b) most of them with outdated functions. PS: I value the attempt of use:Immanuelle and hope to see him/her to continue on this project, now or later. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 07:44, 15 July 2026 (UTC)
::Ping [[User:Immanuelle]]. Do you mind if we heavily clean up some of your contributions? --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 08:25, 15 July 2026 (UTC)
{{done}} the original set. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 12:11, 26 July 2026 (UTC)
: Articles created by [[User:Immanuelle]] and not edited after creation. I would like to propose to delete these (if not already mentioned above):
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:*[[Q137707]] Katō Shrine
:*[[Q167136]] Kengun Shrine
:*[[Q172253]] Amatsu Shrine
:*[[Q195684]] Yahiko Shrine
:*[[Q199699]] Tsurumine Hachiman Shrine
:*[[Q211522]] Sannō Shrine
:*[[Q246469]] Wakasa Shrine
:*[[Q246479]] Ikoma Shrine
:*[[Q246667]] Hakuto Shrine
:*[[Q251160]] Ōgamiyama Shrine
:*[[Q251682]] Yūtoku Inari Shrine
:*[[Q276779]] Kifune Shrine
:*[[Q276830]] Seimei Shrine
:*[[Q276831]] Mitami Shrine
:*[[Q283483]] Kanō Tenmangū
:*[[Q288248]] Tokorozawa Shinmei Shrine
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:*[[Q704219]] Terukuni Shrine
:*[[Q704430]] Udo Jingū
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:*[[Q704636]] Naminoue Shrine
:*[[Q704686]] Miyazaki Jingū
:*[[Q704702]] Shirayama Hime Shrine
:*[[Q704855]] Hōkoku Shrine
:*[[Q704865]] Hida Ichinomiya Minashi Shrine
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:*[[Q112508731]] Blake Lemoine
: [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 10:18, 18 July 2026 (UTC)
::Some are okay. I clicked on two, and IMO both should be kept: [[Q188]] German, [[Q3503]] Congo (River). So I think we need to go through them not just mass delete. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 11:13, 18 July 2026 (UTC)
:::Those 2 are only one sentence, are using a conversion from string or monolingual text to HTML and are therefor not good to be used as example. I think it is better to delete them. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 15:15, 18 July 2026 (UTC)
:::I'd be happy to hear other opinions on this kind of short stub with older functions. For now I'll concentrate on deleting those that don't even meet that level of viability. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 03:07, 27 July 2026 (UTC)
::::Unless if they are update and improve very soon, I also think it's better to delete them quickly (obviously with no prejudice to recreation): they don't bring anything and they give a very unfaithful representation of what AW is (especially now with the RFC or the Wikimania, where many people were telling me things along the line of "oh so it's a tool to make one or two - bad - sentences"...). Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 09:06, 27 July 2026 (UTC)
:::::I marked the articles that have been update recently, so they slould not be deleted as part of this request. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 09:40, 27 July 2026 (UTC)
::::::There are also some lists articles that have been edited twice:
::::::* [[Q11622280]]
::::::* [[Q11611527]]
::::::* [[Q11381490]]
::::::* [[Q11453224]]
::::::* [[Q11387367]]
::::::* [[Q11611572]]
::::::[[User:Autom|Autom]] ([[User talk:Autom|talk]]) 18:25, 27 July 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Do you mean "to be deleted as well"? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 21:00, 27 July 2026 (UTC)
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== Scholarly articles ==
* [[Q67404404]] {{Q|67404404}}
* [[Q50082993]] {{Q|50082993}}
* [[Q68271926]] {{Q|68271926}}
* [[Q114133712]] {{Q|114133712}}
There is very little abstract encyclopedic content that can come out of a page about a specific, non-notable scholarly article. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]<sub>[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]<sub>[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]</sub></sub> ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 19:07, 18 May 2026 (UTC)
:We currently don't have a community-ratified definition of notability. I've tried to kick off this discussion [[Project:Notability|here]]. For now, I ask that stewards/global sysops '''wait''' until we come to a consensus on a policy. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:10, 18 May 2026 (UTC)
::{{ping|JJPMaster}} very interesting request. I'm not entirely sure... I would tend to agree for these papers but not all of them ({{Q|Q30249683}} exists on 16 Wikipedias for instance), so where to put the threshold between notable and non-notable? on which criteria? Anyway, I agree to ''wait'' until the community reach a consensus on what is notable on AW. Also, I'm pinging {{ping|Immanuelle}} who created these articles. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 14:13, 30 May 2026 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Feeglgeef}} the notability discussion does seems to be moving, meanwhile it's seems more and more obvious that these page are not good (see the deletion request below too). Should we still wait? I don't think so anymore. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 08:36, 19 July 2026 (UTC)
:::: Sure, sounds good. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:44, 19 July 2026 (UTC)
*{{vd}} low quality, no response or improvement. The case for significance of these topics is not made in the articles. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 07:26, 15 July 2026 (UTC)
{{done}} [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 05:27, 20 July 2026 (UTC)
== [[Q6489603]] ==
See [[Talk:Q6489603]]. This does not work as a category, it is more an article about a category. --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 08:34, 31 May 2026 (UTC)
: Under my [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability|proposed notability guideline]], this would not be notable, so I {{s}} deletion [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:30, 31 May 2026 (UTC)
::@[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] @[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] Although the page has been deleted, I believe that the vague wording related to categories (and templates) should be clarified. Please review and improve the deletion policy to help current and future contributors better understand how categories are handled. Refer [[Abstract Wikipedia talk:Deletion policy#Categories]] [[User:Jsamwrites|John Samuel]] ([[User:Jsamwrites|talk]]) 15:07, 18 June 2026 (UTC)
:{{Done|Deleted}} <span style="font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold">[[User:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">~/Bunny</span><span style="color:#2c5282">pranav</span>]]:<[[User talk:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">ping</span>]]></span> 14:07, 17 June 2026 (UTC)
== Creations by XeNivalys ==
[[user:XeNivalys]] has posted several pages as part of their cross-wiki spam crusade. Please delete them all and if possible issue a block. --[[User:Bedivere|Bedivere]] ([[User talk:Bedivere|talk]]) 04:53, 9 June 2026 (UTC)
:{{Done|Deleted}}. 🪶-[[User:Tanbiruzzaman|<span style="font-family:monospace;color:#006400;letter-spacing:1px;">TΛNBIRUZZΛMΛN</span>]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|💬]]) 08:33, 9 June 2026 (UTC)
== auto-created broken articles ==
I suggest we do a bit of a cleanup of pages that were created by a software tool, using immature functions that have been deprecated for months, that would be very annoying to clean up by hand. So I propose deletion of the following (feel free to add to this list anything that matches this description). No prejudice to re-creation if anyone wants to make them good. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 07:20, 15 July 2026 (UTC)
* [[Q11378973]]
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* [[Q7768]]
[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 07:20, 15 July 2026 (UTC)
: I thout the same, or even more: I would like to discuss if it is best to delete outdated articles. There is a lot of discussion and critique about a lot of those articles. I think in particular to articles created by @Immanuelle, that are not edited afterwards by somebody else. Those articles were a) created in mass and b) most of them with outdated functions. PS: I value the attempt of use:Immanuelle and hope to see him/her to continue on this project, now or later. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 07:44, 15 July 2026 (UTC)
::Ping [[User:Immanuelle]]. Do you mind if we heavily clean up some of your contributions? --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 08:25, 15 July 2026 (UTC)
{{done}} the original set. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 12:11, 26 July 2026 (UTC)
: Articles created by [[User:Immanuelle]] and not edited after creation. I would like to propose to delete these (if not already mentioned above):
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:*[[Q135040386]] Takeihakatsuno Shrine
:*[[Q63471]] Omura Shrine
:*[[Q65320]] Iwa Shrine
:*[[Q94057]] Olive Shrine
:*[[Q94317]] Kikuchi Shrine
:*[[Q94760]] Kotohira-gū
:*[[Q116140]] Tado Taisha
:*[[Q133753]] Shiogama Shrine
:*[[Q135732]] Ōagata Shrine
:*[[Q137707]] Katō Shrine
:*[[Q167136]] Kengun Shrine
:*[[Q172253]] Amatsu Shrine
:*[[Q195684]] Yahiko Shrine
:*[[Q199699]] Tsurumine Hachiman Shrine
:*[[Q211522]] Sannō Shrine
:*[[Q246469]] Wakasa Shrine
:*[[Q246479]] Ikoma Shrine
:*[[Q246667]] Hakuto Shrine
:*[[Q251160]] Ōgamiyama Shrine
:*[[Q251682]] Yūtoku Inari Shrine
:*[[Q276779]] Kifune Shrine
:*[[Q276830]] Seimei Shrine
:*[[Q276831]] Mitami Shrine
:*[[Q283483]] Kanō Tenmangū
:*[[Q288248]] Tokorozawa Shinmei Shrine
:*[[Q703904]] Oyamazumi Shrine
:*[[Q704219]] Terukuni Shrine
:*[[Q704430]] Udo Jingū
:*[[Q704622]] Kirishima Jingū
:*[[Q704636]] Naminoue Shrine
:*[[Q704686]] Miyazaki Jingū
:*[[Q704702]] Shirayama Hime Shrine
:*[[Q704855]] Hōkoku Shrine
:*[[Q704865]] Hida Ichinomiya Minashi Shrine
:*[[Q704876]] Kasama Inari Shrine
:*[[Q704890]] Tosa Shrine
:*[[Q704898]] Hōfu Tenmangū
:*[[Q705136]] Tsushima Shrine
:*[[Q705297]] Nishinomiya Shrine
:*[[Q705303]] Shirahige Shrine
:*[[Q705310]] Hakone Shrine
:*[[Q705542]] Ōmiwa Shrine
:*[[Q706499]] Kashima Jingū
:*[[Q11360548]] Kamitakano Shrine
:*[[Q11360577]] Shimonaka Hachiman
:*[[Q11360668]] Shimohara-hachiman Shrine
:*[[Q11360748]] Shimomasuda Shrine
:*[[Q11360904]] Shimogoryō Shrine
:*[[Q11361253]] Shimoshinmei Tenso Shrine
:*[[Q11361494]] Shimodate Haguro Shrine
:*[[Q11361528]] Shimoshiotsu Shrine
:*[[Q11361819]] Fuba-hachimangu
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:*<s>[[Q42274]] Google Earth</s> Updated recently
:*[[Q80228]] bottle
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:*<s>[[Q18123741]] infectious disease</s> Updated recently
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:*<s>[[Q15928]] Velenje</s> Updated recently
:*<s>[[Q45677]] Château de Choisy</s> Updated recently
:*[[Q503530]] Sioma Ngwezi National Park
:*<s>[[Q499550]] Smith Islands National Park</s> Updated recently
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:*<s>[[Q150]] French</s> Updated recently
:*[[Q404]] HTTP 404
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:*[[Q38897603]] Observations on urethral infection in the male.
:*[[Q379519]] Mid-Autumn Festival
:*<s>[[Q45470]] Sasuke Inari Shrine</s> Updated recently
:*<s>[[Q372380]] Katori Jingū</s> Updated recently
:*[[Q385407]] Ōmi Jingū
:*[[Q482065]] Atsuta Jingū
:*[[Q521319]] Takekoma Inari Shrine
:*[[Q631373]] Kashii-gū
:*[[Q5151]] month
:*[[Q444]] Lech Wałęsa
:*[[Q555]] Rachel Maddow
:*[[Q999]] astatine
:*[[Q461391]] Gavin Newsom
:*[[Q868]] Aristotle
:*[[Q9181]] Abraham
:*[[Q91]] Abraham Lincoln
:*[[Q3783]] Amazon
:*[[Q10987]] honey
:*[[Q11663]] weather
:*[[Q884]] South Korea
:*[[Q7235]] Sophocles
:*[[Q11002]] sugar
:*[[Q376]] clock
:*[[Q11391]] ultraviolet radiation
:*[[Q9358]] Friedrich Nietzsche
:*[[Q7317]] Giuseppe Verdi
:*<s>[[Q13217298]] Giza Necropolis</s> Updated recently
:*[[Q2487]] Thirty Years' War
:*[[Q8269]] The Tale of Genji
:*[[Q9438]] Thomas Aquinas
:*[[Q8743]] Thomas Edison
:*[[Q12514]] Three Gorges Dam
:*[[Q80]] Tim Berners-Lee
:*[[Q8736]] Treaty of Versailles
:*[[Q8467]] Umar ibn Al-Khattāb
:*[[Q8740]] Vietnam War
:*[[Q7355]] Yellow River
:*[[Q11205]] arithmetic
:*[[Q6206]] capitalism
:*[[Q573]] day
:*<s>[[Q8047]] enzyme</s> Updated recently
:*[[Q8597]] Akbar
:*[[Q8409]] Alexander the Great
:*[[Q7850]] Chinese
:*[[Q8275]] Iliad
:*[[Q37660]] South China Sea
:*<s>[[Q313]] Venus</s> Updated recently
:*[[Q362]] World War II
:*[[Q12078]] cancer
:*[[Q199804]] chronic obstructive pulmonary disease
:*[[Q8142]] currency
:*[[Q7430]] deoxyribonucleic acid
:*[[Q12493]] dome
:*[[Q2095]] food
:*[[Q937]] Albert Einstein
:*[[Q12104]] Avena sativa
:*[[Q612]] Dubai
:*[[Q905]] Franz Kafka
:*[[Q5588]] Frida Kahlo
:*[[Q125851781]] Fâtih Sultan Mehemmed Han
:*[[Q7742]] Louis XIV of France
:*[[Q5816]] Mao Zedong
:*[[Q1218]] Jerusalem
:*[[Q12554]] Middle Ages
:*[[Q517]] Napoleon
:*[[Q5599]] Peter Paul Rubens
:*[[Q5577]] Salvador Dalí
:*[[Q12099]] Secale cereale
:*[[Q9316]] Sikhism
:*[[Q933]] South Pole
:*[[Q254]] Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
:*[[Q9683]] Tang dynasty
:*[[Q9121]] atom
:*[[Q5322]] capacitor
:*[[Q7164]] World Bank
:*[[Q3559]] comet
:*[[Q6186]] communism
:*[[Q258]] South Africa
:*[[Q317]] dictatorship
:*[[Q11651]] electric current
:*[[Q8162]] linguistics
:*[[Q11468]] nanotechnology
:*[[Q8461]] racism
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:*[[Q287]] wood
:*[[Q6388]] swimming
:*<s>[[Q12214]] smallpox</s> Updated recently
:*[[Q9794]] reggae
:*[[Q7380]] primate
:*[[Q11372]] physical chemistry
:*<s>[[Q9404]] nervous system</s> Updated recently
:*[[Q382441]] marine mammal
:*[[Q3]] life
:*[[Q11028]] information
:*[[Q7075]] library
:*[[Q1072]] heart
:*[[Q11364]] hormone
:*[[Q8458]] human rights
:*[[Q8492]] juice
:*[[Q82571]] linear algebra
:*[[Q12800]] machine gun
:*[[Q12167]] malnutrition
:*[[Q10990]] meat
:*[[Q7269]] monarchy
:*[[Q11426]] metal
:*[[Q6235]] nationalism
:*[[Q12739]] nuclear power
:*<s>[[Q11472]] paper</s> Updated recently
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:*[[Q5916]] spaceflight
:*[[Q42527]] spice
:*[[Q7553]] translation
:*[[Q808]] virus
:*[[Q8072]] volcano
:*[[Q12876]] tank
:*[[Q8188]] syllable
:*[[Q10737]] suicide
:*[[Q1511]] Richard Wagner
:*[[Q7315]] Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky
:*[[Q11518]] Pythagorean theorem
:*[[Q11451199]] List of Shikinaisha in Aki Province
:*[[Q11379]] energy
:*[[Q9103]] female breast
:*[[Q11435]] liquid
:*[[Q86]] headache
:*[[Q11573]] metre
:*[[Q8495]] milk
:*[[Q11009]] nut
:*[[Q5994]] piano
:*[[Q11474]] plastic
:*[[Q11423]] mass
:*[[Q11190]] medicine
:*[[Q9492]] probability
:*[[Q9465]] ethics
:*[[Q619]] Nicolaus Copernicus
:*[[Q1399]] Niccolò Machiavelli
:*[[Q9049]] Noam Chomsky
:*<s>[[Q332]] Neptune</s> Updated recently
:*[[Q7176]] Naguib Mahfouz
:*[[Q5592]] Michelangelo
:*[[Q5513]] Lake Baikal
:*[[Q5679]] Lord Byron
:*[[Q7071]] Li Bai
:*[[Q7259]] Ada Lovelace
:*[[Q7172]] League of Arab States
:*[[Q5879]] Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
:*[[Q169470]] physicist
:*[[Q719665]] Inari
:*[[Q276944]] Ōkuninushi
:*[[Q386563]] Ōyamatsumi
:*[[Q1474187]] Watatsumi
:*[[Q352]] Adolf Hitler
:*[[Q7251]] Alan Turing
:*[[Q5484]] Caspian Sea
:*[[Q9592]] Catholic Church
:*<s>[[Q160]] Cetacea</s> Updated recently
:*[[Q3044]] Charlemagne
:*[[Q7207]] Elizabeth I of England
:*[[Q181765]] Holy Roman Emperor
:*[[Q12138]] Gregorian calendar
:*[[Q9089]] Hinduism
:*[[Q7226]] Joan of Arc
:*[[Q9317]] John Maynard Keynes
:*[[Q5603]] Andy Warhol
:*[[Q1357]] Araneae
:*[[Q1828555]] Arabic script
:*[[Q5685]] Anton Chekhov
:*[[Q748]] Buddhism
:*[[Q500]] Citrus × limon
:*[[Q3503]] Congo
:*[[Q8413]] Constantine the Great
:*<s>[[Q1043]] Carl Linnaeus</s> Updated recently
:*[[Q303]] Elvis Presley
:*[[Q9130]] Erwin Schrödinger
:*[[Q8007]] Franklin Delano Roosevelt
:*[[Q5432]] Francisco Goya
:*[[Q5089]] Ganges
:*[[Q8778]] Galen
:*[[Q9235]] Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel
:*[[Q720]] Genghis Khan
:*<s>[[Q188]] German</s> Updated recently
:*[[Q7895]] reproductive system
:*[[Q15969]] Jean Améry
:*[[Q20925]] 1986 Belgian Grand Prix
:*[[Q96221]] Heinrich Ehrhardt
:*[[Q77534]] Doris Pack
:*[[Q454]] peace
:*[[Q5251735]] defuzzification
:*[[Q11408]] magnetic field
:*[[Q9368]] liver
:*[[Q9620]] nerve
:*[[Q11756]] prehistory
:*[[Q851]] Saudi Arabia
:*[[Q9215]] Sigmund Freud
:*[[Q332062]] Sorghum bicolor
:*[[Q9202]] Statue of Liberty
:*[[Q1049]] Sudan
:*[[Q35355]] Sumer
:*[[Q8251]] The Art of War
:*[[Q1071]] geography
:*[[Q5325]] inductor
:*[[Q205]] infinity
:*[[Q12140]] medication
:*[[Q627]] nitrogen
:*[[Q12802]] nuclear weapon
:*[[Q569]] beryllium
:*[[Q618]] boron
:*[[Q650]] fluorine
:*[[Q654]] neon
:*<s>[[Q658]] sodium</s> Deleted and recreated by an other user
:*[[Q663]] aluminium
:*[[Q670]] silicon
:*[[Q682]] sulfur
:*<s>[[Q706]] calcium</s> Deleted and recreated by an other user
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:*[[Q725]] chromium
:*[[Q731]] manganese
:*[[Q677]] iron
:*[[Q740]] cobalt
:*[[Q744]] nickel
:*[[Q758]] zinc
:*[[Q1304]] livermorium
:*[[Q1103]] iodine
:*[[Q1108]] caesium
:*[[Q888]] krypton
:*[[Q938]] strontium
:*[[Q941]] yttrium
:*[[Q1046]] niobium
:*[[Q1053]] molybdenum
:*[[Q1054]] technetium
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:*[[Q1090]] silver
:*[[Q1094]] indium
:*[[Q1099]] antimony
:*[[Q7159]] African Union
:*[[Q9546]] Al-Ghazali
:*[[Q5580]] Albrecht Dürer
:*[[Q7374]] Alfred Hitchcock
:*[[Q727]] Amsterdam
:*[[Q1340]] Antonio Vivaldi
:*[[Q7298]] Antonín Dvořák
:*[[Q10872]] Archaea
:*[[Q8589]] Ashoka
:*[[Q8018]] Augustine of Hippo
:*[[Q7768]] Association of Southeast Asian Nations
:*[[Q1486]] Buenos Aires
:*[[Q9045]] Chanakya Kautilya
:*[[Q2042]] Charles de Gaulle
:*[[Q882]] Charlie Chaplin
:*[[Q7322]] Christopher Columbus
:*[[Q81513]] Citrus
:*[[Q8209]] Cyrillic script
:*[[Q1067]] Dante Alighieri
:*[[Q7939]] El Niño
:*[[Q613]] Emirate of Dubai
:*[[Q8272]] Epic of Gilgamesh
:*[[Q115]] Ethiopia
:*[[Q8747]] Euclid
:*[[Q5683]] Geoffrey Chaucer
:*[[Q8229]] Latin script
:*<s>[[Q4918]] Mediterranean Sea</s> Updated recently
:*[[Q25326]] Mollusca
:*[[Q9458]] Muhammad
:*[[Q5185]] Nematoda
:*[[Q11379325]] Izawa Shrine
:*[[Q11379739]] Imari Shrine
:*[[Q575650]] Rust
:*<s>[[Q34010]] Haskell</s> Updated recently
:*<s>[[Q978185]] TypeScript</s> Updated recently
:*[[Q479833]] batch file
:*[[Q42979]] BASIC
:*[[Q131140]] COBOL
:*[[Q648619]] F#
:*[[Q334879]] Erlang
:*[[Q83303]] Fortran
:*[[Q2613697]] Julia
:*[[Q207316]] Lua
:*[[Q212587]] OCaml
:*[[Q840410]] PowerShell
:*[[Q235086]] Smalltalk
:*[[Q17147733]] Swift
:*[[Q582706]] Israeli settlement
:*[[Q1107129]] sōja
:*[[Q127866012]] A Simple Example for Linear Partial Differential Equations and Its Solution Using the Method of Separation of Variables
:*[[Q30249683]] Attention Is All You Need
:*[[Q210907]] Haida Gwaii
:*[[Q9876]] Vught
:*[[Q13489381]] effective altruism
:*[[Q82945199]] Alfréd von Adda
:*[[Q114133712]] Evaluating the biological validity of European river typology systems with least disturbed benthic macroinvertebrate communities
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:*[[Q63308014]] (222315) 2000 ST367
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:*[[Q118876059]] Claude
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:*[[Q112508731]] Blake Lemoine
: [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 10:18, 18 July 2026 (UTC)
::Some are okay. I clicked on two, and IMO both should be kept: [[Q188]] German, [[Q3503]] Congo (River). So I think we need to go through them not just mass delete. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 11:13, 18 July 2026 (UTC)
:::Those 2 are only one sentence, are using a conversion from string or monolingual text to HTML and are therefor not good to be used as example. I think it is better to delete them. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 15:15, 18 July 2026 (UTC)
:::I'd be happy to hear other opinions on this kind of short stub with older functions. For now I'll concentrate on deleting those that don't even meet that level of viability. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 03:07, 27 July 2026 (UTC)
::::Unless if they are update and improve very soon, I also think it's better to delete them quickly (obviously with no prejudice to recreation): they don't bring anything and they give a very unfaithful representation of what AW is (especially now with the RFC or the Wikimania, where many people were telling me things along the line of "oh so it's a tool to make one or two - bad - sentences"...). Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 09:06, 27 July 2026 (UTC)
:::::I marked the articles that have been update recently, so they slould not be deleted as part of this request. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 09:40, 27 July 2026 (UTC)
::::::There are also some lists articles that have been edited twice:
::::::* [[Q11622280]]
::::::* [[Q11611527]]
::::::* [[Q11381490]]
::::::* [[Q11453224]]
::::::* [[Q11387367]]
::::::* [[Q11611572]]
::::::[[User:Autom|Autom]] ([[User talk:Autom|talk]]) 18:25, 27 July 2026 (UTC)
:::::::Do you mean "to be deleted as well"? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 21:00, 27 July 2026 (UTC)
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I think I got around it by doing this
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في ويكيبيديا المجردة، لا يمكنك إنشاء مقالات إلا حول المواضيع التي لها بالفعل عنصر في ويكي بيانات. إذا لم يكن الموضوع موجودًا بالفعل في ويكي بيانات، يمكنك التأكد من ذلك عن طريق [[d:special:search|البحث]]، ثم طالع [[d:Special:MyLanguage/help:items#Creating a new item|هذه الصفحة المساعدة]] لإنشاء عنصر جديد له.
تصف صفحة المساعدة هذه طريقتين لإنشاء مقالة جديدة.
# إنشاء مقالة عن طريق النسخ واللصق
# إنشاء مقالة من الصفر
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== خطوات إنشاء مقالة عن طريق النسخ واللصق ==
أولاً، ابحث عن مقالة موجودة في ويكيبيديا المجردة تشبه تلك التي تود إنشاءها؛ ويمكنك القيام بذلك باستخدام أداة البحث والنقر على عنصر يحمل اللاحقة "- AW" بجانبه. وبمجرد العثور عليها، انقر على خيار "تعديل المصدر".
[[File:AW Help Copy Paste step 01.png|center|frameless|800px|ابدأ]]
انقر على أيقونة القائمة المكونة من ثلاث نقاط، ثم اختر "نسخ إلى الحافظة".
[[File:AW Help Copy Paste step 02.png|center|frameless|800px|نسخ إلى الحافظة]]
ابحث عن الموضوع الذي ترغب في كتابة مقالة عنها.
[[File:AW Help Copy Paste step 03.png|center|frameless|800px|إنشاء مقالة جديدة]]
سينقلك هذا إلى صفحة "إنشاء مقالة مجردة جديدة". اضغط على زر علامة الجمع ("+") واختر "إضافة جزء فارغ" (Add empty fragment).
[[File:AW Help Copy Paste step 04.png|center|frameless|800px|أضف جزءاً فارغاً]]
انقر على أيقونة القائمة المكونة من ثلاث نقاط داخل الجزء (Fragment) الجديد، ثم اختر "لصق من الحافظة".
[[File:AW Help Copy Paste step 05.png|center|frameless|800px|لصق من الحافظة]]
حدد الجزء المنسوخ من الصف العلوي.
[[File:AW Help Copy Paste step 06.png|center|frameless|400px|لصق من الحافظة]]
قم بتوسيع تفاصيل الدالة بالنقر على أيقونات السهم (">").[[File:AW Help Copy Paste step 07.png|center|frameless|800px|وسع الدالة/الدوال]]
قم بتحديث المعاملات (arguments) بما يتناسب مع موضوعك. وكما هو موضح في الصورة، غيّر الكيان والموقع إلى "Utrecht" و"Netherlands". ستعرض المعاينة الآن النص المحدَّث باللغة التي تختارها (على سبيل المثال: "Utrecht is a city in the Netherlands"). لا تضغط على زر "نشر" في الوقت الحالي.
[[File:AW Help Copy Paste step 08.png|center|frameless|800px|تحديث الوسائط]]
يُوصى بشدة بالاطلاع على المعاينة بلغات أخرى لضمان صحة ترجمة الملخص. وبعد المراجعة، انقر على "نشر".
[[File:AW Help Copy Paste step 09.png|center|frameless|800px|تحقق من لغة أخرى]]
أكمل العملية بإدخال ملخص موجز للتعديل يصف التغييرات التي أجريتها، ثم انقر على "نشر" مرة أخرى. [[File:AW Help Copy Paste step 10.png|center|frameless|400px|نشر]]
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== خطوات إنشاء مقالة من الصفر ==
لكي تنشئ مقالة من صفر، يمكنك الذهاب إلى [[Special:CreateAbstract|إنشاء مقالة مجردة جديدة]].
[[File:aw-tutorial-step-1.png|center|frameless|800px|اختيار موضوعًا]]
اكتب لاختيار موضوع، ثم انقر على «أنشئ».
[[File:aw-tutorial-step-2.png|center|frameless|800px|مقالة مجردة فارغة]]
ستنتقل إلى شاشة جديدة. على الجانب الأيمن سترى المعاينة باللغة المختارة، وعلى الجانب الأيسر سترى المحتوى الموجز.
[[File:aw-tutorial-step-3.png|center|frameless|800px|انقر على الرمز (+) لإضافة جزءًا.]]
انقر على زر علامة الجمع (+) في اللوحة اليسرى لإضافة جزء جديد. حاليًا، سنضيف جزءًا فارغًا.
[[File:aw-tutorial-step-4.png|center|frameless|800px|جزءاً فارغاً]]
سيظهر هذا على النحو التالي، حيث يعرض استدعاء دالة دون تحديد دالة بعد. انقر على المربع المجاور لنص "تحديد دالة" الأحمر.
[[File:aw-tutorial-step-5.png|center|frameless|800px|محدد الدوال مفتوح]]
سيؤدي ذلك إلى فتح مُحدد الدوال.
[[File:aw-tutorial-step-6.png|center|frameless|800px|اختيار دالة]]
نختار دالة. يجب أن تكون هذه الدالة موجودة على ويكي الدالة، ويجب أن تُعيد جزءًا من كود HTML. في هذا المثال، نختار دالة "string to HTML fragment"، لأنها تسمح لنا بإدخال سلسلة نصية، أو اختيار دالة تُنشئ سلسلة نصية.
[[File:aw-tutorial-step-7.png|center|frameless|800px|تم الاختيار الدالة «string to HTML fragment»]]
لقد اخترنا الآن دالة. نحصل على حقول للوسائط. بدلاً من كتابة سلسلة نصية، نريد إضافة دالة أخرى،
[[File:aw-tutorial-step-8.png|center|frameless|800px|غيّر وضع الوسيطة]]
للقيام بذلك، نغير نمط الوسيط المسمى "string" بالنقر على النقاط الثلاث بجوار "string". يتيح لنا هذا التغيير من النمط الحالي، وهو "literal"، إلى استدعاء دالة.
[[File:aw-tutorial-step-9.png|center|frameless|800px|اختيار الدالة الداخلية]]
هنا يمكننا الآن اختيار دالة التي ترجع سلسلة نصية.
[[File:aw-tutorial-step-10.png|center|frameless|800px|اختر دالة تُرجع سلسلة نصية]]
نختار الدالة "Article-less instantiating fragment" - وهي دالة تُنشئ جملًا مثل "باريس مدينة". لاحظ أن اختيار الدالة "Article-less instantiating HTML fragment" كان سيسمح لنا بتجاوز استخدام الدالة "string to HTML fragment".
[[File:aw-tutorial-step-10.png|center|frameless|800px|حجج لصالح دالة إنشاء الأجزاء بدون استخدام أدوات التعريف]]
والآن نرى وسائط هذه الدالة. كما نحصل على وسائط مُلائمة مُعبأة تلقائيًا. وهذا يؤدي إلى الجملة "باريس هي باريس."، لأن الوسيطين "entity" و"class" يتم ملؤهما مسبقًا بالعنصر الذي نكتب عنه.
[[File:aw-tutorial-step-11.png|center|frameless|800px|تغيير الوضع في وسيطة "الفئة"]]
نحتاج إلى تغيير الوضع في وسيط "class" من القيمة المعبأة تلقائيًا (مرجع وسيط) إلى قيمة حرفية.
[[File:aw-tutorial-step-12.png|center|frameless|800px|تم تغيير نمط "الفئة" إلى حرفي.]]
وهذا يمنحنا الآن حقلاً لاختيار عنصر من عناصر ويكي بيانات لقيمة وسيطة "الفئة".
[[File:aw-tutorial-step-13.png|center|frameless|800px|اختيار المدينة للوسيط الفئة]]
نختار عنصر "المدينة" لوسيط الفئة.
[[File:aw-tutorial-step-14.png|center|frameless|800px|يتم إنشاء الجملة الجديدة.]]
بمجرد تحديد هذا الخيار، ستكون الجملة الأولى من المقال جاهزة. الآن، يمكنك النقر على "نشر" وستحصل على النسخة الأولى من المقال. يمكنك الآن النقر على "تعديل" لإضافة المزيد.
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== هذا معقد للغاية! ==
نعم، أتفق.
هناك طريقتان ليجعل هذا أسهل:
* تحسين تجربة المستخدم
* تحسين قائمة الدوال
بينما سيركز فريق التطوير في مؤسسة ويكيميديا على النهج الأول (وسيُقدّر دائمًا أفكار تجربة المستخدم)، يمكن للمجتمع العمل على فهرس أكثر شمولًا وسهولة في الاستخدام للدوال في ويكي الدالة. نلاحظ هنا أهمية تسمية الوظائف والوسائط، وأننا على الأرجح نرغب في تجنب وجود عدد كبير جدًا من الدوال التي تُحوّل نوعًا إلى آخر في التسلسل المذكور أعلاه.
لكن الأهم من ذلك، أن ويكيبيديا المجردة لا تزال في مرحلة تجريبية عامة مبكرة، ويصعب حاليًا إنشاء المقالات وتعديلها. لذا، علينا جميعًا العمل معًا لتحسين ذلك. إذا كانت لديكم أفكار لدوال جديدة، يُرجى اقتراحها على [[Abstract Wikipedia:Suggested functions|الدوال المقترحة]].
<span id="See_also"></span>
== انظر أيضا ==
* [[Abstract Wikipedia:Useful functions for article composition]]
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في ويكيبيديا المجردة، لا يمكنك إنشاء مقالات إلا حول المواضيع التي لها بالفعل عنصر في ويكي بيانات. إذا لم يكن الموضوع موجودًا بالفعل في ويكي بيانات، يمكنك التأكد من ذلك عن طريق [[d:special:search|البحث]]، ثم طالع [[d:Special:MyLanguage/help:items#Creating a new item|هذه الصفحة المساعدة]] لإنشاء عنصر جديد له.
تصف صفحة المساعدة هذه طريقتين لإنشاء مقالة جديدة.
# إنشاء مقالة عن طريق النسخ واللصق
# إنشاء مقالة من الصفر
<span id="Steps_to_create_an_article_by_copy_and_paste"></span>
== خطوات إنشاء مقالة عن طريق النسخ واللصق ==
أولاً، ابحث عن مقالة موجودة في ويكيبيديا المجردة تشبه تلك التي تود إنشاءها؛ ويمكنك القيام بذلك باستخدام أداة البحث والنقر على عنصر يحمل اللاحقة "- AW" بجانبه. وبمجرد العثور عليها، انقر على خيار "تعديل المصدر".
[[File:AW Help Copy Paste step 01.png|center|frameless|800px|ابدأ]]
انقر على أيقونة القائمة المكونة من ثلاث نقاط، ثم اختر "نسخ إلى الحافظة".
[[File:AW Help Copy Paste step 02.png|center|frameless|800px|نسخ إلى الحافظة]]
ابحث عن الموضوع الذي ترغب في كتابة مقالة عنها.
[[File:AW Help Copy Paste step 03.png|center|frameless|800px|إنشاء مقالة جديدة]]
سينقلك هذا إلى صفحة "إنشاء مقالة مجردة جديدة". اضغط على زر علامة الجمع ("+") واختر "إضافة جزء فارغ" (Add empty fragment).
[[File:AW Help Copy Paste step 04.png|center|frameless|800px|أضف جزءاً فارغاً]]
انقر على أيقونة القائمة المكونة من ثلاث نقاط داخل الجزء (Fragment) الجديد، ثم اختر "لصق من الحافظة".
[[File:AW Help Copy Paste step 05.png|center|frameless|800px|لصق من الحافظة]]
حدد الجزء المنسوخ من الصف العلوي.
[[File:AW Help Copy Paste step 06.png|center|frameless|400px|لصق من الحافظة]]
قم بتوسيع تفاصيل الدالة بالنقر على أيقونات السهم (">").[[File:AW Help Copy Paste step 07.png|center|frameless|800px|وسع الدالة/الدوال]]
قم بتحديث المعاملات (arguments) بما يتناسب مع موضوعك. وكما هو موضح في الصورة، غيّر الكيان والموقع إلى "Utrecht" و"Netherlands". ستعرض المعاينة الآن النص المحدَّث باللغة التي تختارها (على سبيل المثال: "Utrecht is a city in the Netherlands"). لا تضغط على زر "نشر" في الوقت الحالي.
[[File:AW Help Copy Paste step 08.png|center|frameless|800px|تحديث الوسائط]]
يُوصى بشدة بالاطلاع على المعاينة بلغات أخرى لضمان صحة ترجمة الملخص. وبعد المراجعة، انقر على "نشر".
[[File:AW Help Copy Paste step 09.png|center|frameless|800px|تحقق من لغة أخرى]]
أكمل العملية بإدخال ملخص موجز للتعديل يصف التغييرات التي أجريتها، ثم انقر على "نشر" مرة أخرى. [[File:AW Help Copy Paste step 10.png|center|frameless|400px|نشر]]
<div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">
The first version of your article is now live. You can click "Edit" at any time to add more information.
</div>
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== خطوات إنشاء مقالة من الصفر ==
لكي تنشئ مقالة من صفر، يمكنك الذهاب إلى [[Special:CreateAbstract|إنشاء مقالة مجردة جديدة]].
[[File:aw-tutorial-step-1.png|center|frameless|800px|اختيار موضوعًا]]
اكتب لاختيار موضوع، ثم انقر على «أنشئ».
[[File:aw-tutorial-step-2.png|center|frameless|800px|مقالة مجردة فارغة]]
ستنتقل إلى شاشة جديدة. على الجانب الأيمن سترى المعاينة باللغة المختارة، وعلى الجانب الأيسر سترى المحتوى الموجز.
[[File:aw-tutorial-step-3.png|center|frameless|800px|انقر على الرمز (+) لإضافة جزءًا.]]
انقر على زر علامة الجمع (+) في اللوحة اليسرى لإضافة جزء جديد. حاليًا، سنضيف جزءًا فارغًا.
[[File:aw-tutorial-step-4.png|center|frameless|800px|جزءاً فارغاً]]
سيظهر هذا على النحو التالي، حيث يعرض استدعاء دالة دون تحديد دالة بعد. انقر على المربع المجاور لنص "تحديد دالة" الأحمر.
[[File:aw-tutorial-step-5.png|center|frameless|800px|محدد الدوال مفتوح]]
سيؤدي ذلك إلى فتح مُحدد الدوال.
[[File:aw-tutorial-step-6.png|center|frameless|800px|اختيار دالة]]
نختار دالة. يجب أن تكون هذه الدالة موجودة على ويكي الدالة، ويجب أن تُعيد جزءًا من كود HTML. في هذا المثال، نختار دالة "string to HTML fragment"، لأنها تسمح لنا بإدخال سلسلة نصية، أو اختيار دالة تُنشئ سلسلة نصية.
[[File:aw-tutorial-step-7.png|center|frameless|800px|تم الاختيار الدالة «string to HTML fragment»]]
لقد اخترنا الآن دالة. نحصل على حقول للوسائط. بدلاً من كتابة سلسلة نصية، نريد إضافة دالة أخرى،
[[File:aw-tutorial-step-8.png|center|frameless|800px|غيّر وضع الوسيطة]]
للقيام بذلك، نغير نمط الوسيط المسمى "string" بالنقر على النقاط الثلاث بجوار "string". يتيح لنا هذا التغيير من النمط الحالي، وهو "literal"، إلى استدعاء دالة.
[[File:aw-tutorial-step-9.png|center|frameless|800px|اختيار الدالة الداخلية]]
هنا يمكننا الآن اختيار دالة التي ترجع سلسلة نصية.
[[File:aw-tutorial-step-10.png|center|frameless|800px|اختر دالة تُرجع سلسلة نصية]]
نختار الدالة "Article-less instantiating fragment" - وهي دالة تُنشئ جملًا مثل "باريس مدينة". لاحظ أن اختيار الدالة "Article-less instantiating HTML fragment" كان سيسمح لنا بتجاوز استخدام الدالة "string to HTML fragment".
[[File:aw-tutorial-step-10.png|center|frameless|800px|حجج لصالح دالة إنشاء الأجزاء بدون استخدام أدوات التعريف]]
والآن نرى وسائط هذه الدالة. كما نحصل على وسائط مُلائمة مُعبأة تلقائيًا. وهذا يؤدي إلى الجملة "باريس هي باريس."، لأن الوسيطين "entity" و"class" يتم ملؤهما مسبقًا بالعنصر الذي نكتب عنه.
[[File:aw-tutorial-step-11.png|center|frameless|800px|تغيير الوضع في وسيطة "الفئة"]]
نحتاج إلى تغيير الوضع في وسيط "class" من القيمة المعبأة تلقائيًا (مرجع وسيط) إلى قيمة حرفية.
[[File:aw-tutorial-step-12.png|center|frameless|800px|تم تغيير نمط "الفئة" إلى حرفي.]]
وهذا يمنحنا الآن حقلاً لاختيار عنصر من عناصر ويكي بيانات لقيمة وسيطة "الفئة".
[[File:aw-tutorial-step-13.png|center|frameless|800px|اختيار المدينة للوسيط الفئة]]
نختار عنصر "المدينة" لوسيط الفئة.
[[File:aw-tutorial-step-14.png|center|frameless|800px|يتم إنشاء الجملة الجديدة.]]
بمجرد تحديد هذا الخيار، ستكون الجملة الأولى من المقال جاهزة. الآن، يمكنك النقر على "نشر" وستحصل على النسخة الأولى من المقال. يمكنك الآن النقر على "تعديل" لإضافة المزيد.
<span id="This_is_far_too_complicated!"></span>
== هذا معقد للغاية! ==
نعم، أتفق.
هناك طريقتان ليجعل هذا أسهل:
* تحسين تجربة المستخدم
* تحسين قائمة الدوال
بينما سيركز فريق التطوير في مؤسسة ويكيميديا على النهج الأول (وسيُقدّر دائمًا أفكار تجربة المستخدم)، يمكن للمجتمع العمل على فهرس أكثر شمولًا وسهولة في الاستخدام للدوال في ويكي الدالة. نلاحظ هنا أهمية تسمية الوظائف والوسائط، وأننا على الأرجح نرغب في تجنب وجود عدد كبير جدًا من الدوال التي تُحوّل نوعًا إلى آخر في التسلسل المذكور أعلاه.
لكن الأهم من ذلك، أن ويكيبيديا المجردة لا تزال في مرحلة تجريبية عامة مبكرة، ويصعب حاليًا إنشاء المقالات وتعديلها. لذا، علينا جميعًا العمل معًا لتحسين ذلك. إذا كانت لديكم أفكار لدوال جديدة، يُرجى اقتراحها على [[Abstract Wikipedia:Suggested functions|الدوال المقترحة]].
<span id="See_also"></span>
== انظر أيضا ==
* [[Abstract Wikipedia:Useful functions for article composition]]
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{{Welcome}}
Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 10:42, 30 May 2026 (UTC)
==Z36983==
Try using [[:f:Z36983]] (when it is one of a set) instead of [[:f:Z28016]] (when it is the only one). I've added it to [[Q1102140]] so you can see them both next to each other. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 06:22, 29 July 2026 (UTC)
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{{Welcome}}
Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 10:42, 30 May 2026 (UTC)
==Z36983==
Try using [[:f:Z36983]] (when it is one of a set) instead of [[:f:Z28016]] (when it is the only one). I've added it to [[Q1102140]] so you can see them both next to each other. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 06:22, 29 July 2026 (UTC)
:Grand-Lahou est une ville en Côte d'Ivoire. ([[:f:Z36983]])
:Grand-Lahou est la ville de la Côte d'Ivoire. ([[:f:Z28016]]) [It looks like this should be "Grand-Lahou est une ville de Côte d'Ivoire."? [[User:VIGNERON]] is helping with when articles are needed.] [[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 06:25, 29 July 2026 (UTC)
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{{Welcome}}
Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 10:42, 30 May 2026 (UTC)
==Z36983==
Try using [[:f:Z36983]] (when it is one of a set) instead of [[:f:Z28016]] (when it is the only one). I've added it to [[Q1102140]] so you can see them both next to each other. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 06:22, 29 July 2026 (UTC)
:Grand-Lahou est une ville en Côte d'Ivoire. ([[:f:Z36983]])
:Grand-Lahou est la ville de la Côte d'Ivoire. ([[:f:Z28016]])
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{{Welcome}}
Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 10:42, 30 May 2026 (UTC)
==Z36983==
Try using [[:f:Z36983]] (when it is one of a set) instead of [[:f:Z28016]] (when it is the only one). I've added it to [[Q1102140]] so you can see them both next to each other. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 06:22, 29 July 2026 (UTC)
:Grand-Lahou est une ville en Côte d'Ivoire. ([[:f:Z36983]]) [Should this be "Grand-Lahou est une ville de Côte d'Ivoire."? Please feel free to add tests at [[:f:Z32371]] ]
:Grand-Lahou est la ville de la Côte d'Ivoire. ([[:f:Z28016]])
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{{Welcome}}
Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 10:42, 30 May 2026 (UTC)
==Z36983==
Try using [[:f:Z36983]] (when it is one of a set) instead of [[:f:Z28016]] (when it is the only one). I've added it to [[Q1102140]] so you can see them both next to each other. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 06:22, 29 July 2026 (UTC)
:Grand-Lahou est une ville en Côte d'Ivoire. ([[:f:Z36983]]) [Should this be "Grand-Lahou est une ville de Côte d'Ivoire."? Please feel free to add tests at [[:f:Z32371]] ]
:Grand-Lahou est la ville de la Côte d'Ivoire. ([[:f:Z28016]])
::Bonjour !
::Je suis d'accord avec 99of9, tu devrais plutôt utiliser la fonction "localiser en utilisant l'entité et la classe" Z36983 pour des pages sur des villes comme [[Q1102140]].
::Tu devrais regarder et essayer d'utiliser d'autres wikifonctions, en prenant exemple sur d'autres pages ([[Q3130]] est ce que l'on peut faire de plus compliqué, [[Q18498]] est un exemple intéressant d'une fonction unique et générale produisant directement un paragaphe entier).
::Et tu verras aussi qu'il y a plusieurs fonctions manquantes en français.
::[[User:99of9|99of9]] : "une ville de Côte d'Ivoire" is not wrong (and in fact, is quite common) but "une ville en Côte d'Ivoire" is better here (same slight difference as "a city in England" - pure location - vs. "a citiy of England" - technically more possession but often use for location).
::Cdlt/Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 09:01, 29 July 2026 (UTC)
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== [[Q16211514]] ==
{{Welcome}}<br>
Welcom to Abstract Wikipedia. read how to create articles [[Help:How to create an article|here]]. The article you created is not the proper way, as this will display your English text in all languages. Instead you should use speciic functions. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 13:02, 23 July 2026 (UTC)
@[[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]]
Thank you so much, this is very useful
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Hey guys, I've been here.
I'm a competitive programmer at Python and C++.
Don't mind me if I abuse some functions in some articles. (trust me bro, it's for good)
Also don't question the highly nested functions that I publish (again it's for good)
Remember, nothing is impossible if there's enough manpower (maybe including botpower, but I guess it's not significant)
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== Correcting common misconceptions, possibly needs a separate page AW:NOT ==
Inspired by [[meta:Requests for comment/The future of Abstract Wikipedia]] and the comments on it. Here are some misconceptions I've drawn out from the subtext (plus a couple extra I heard from Wikimania participants):
* AW has been going for 6 years and has little to show for it!
*: Abstract Wikipedia launched for public contributions on 2026-03-19. Due to the complexity of the project compared to a traditional wikitext wiki, there will be significantly more time before substantial content is on this platform. The bulk of the work is happening at WikiFunctions, where the community is creating and translating new functions.
* After a collaboration between Google.org and the AW team in 2022, the outgoing Googlers predicted AW's failure, and it's come true
* The functions used in abstract articles are deprecated / known to be untranslatable in certain languages
* Turning each statement on a Wikidata Item into a sentence will not result in a useful article; why not build a reader mode for Wikidata?
* I clicked Special:Random and all I got was two sentences and a picture...
* I found an article which is grammatically sound but factually inaccurate! I thought these were backed by Wikidata?
*: Wikidata [[wikidata:Wikidata:General disclaimer|has no guarantee of validity]], as does every other Wikimedia project. If there is an issue with Wikidata, you're encouraged to [[wikidata:Help:Items#Editing_an_item_page|contribute and correct the error]]! '''add info here about faulty functions'''
* This output is far from fluent English, and in some places it's ungrammatical; how is this useful to enwp?
* If abstract articles don't produce good English, the output in other languages must be far worse
*:At the moment this is a sound generalisation. Many of the functions to render abstract content in natural language are first configured in English. Once a function is configured in any language, the quality of prose depends on the quality and complexity of the implementation in that language.
* Some articles may be worse than others, but until they're all good, any Wikipedia would object to having AW integration enabled
*: No Wikimedia project is perfect, all suffering from low quality content to some degree. Abstract Wikipedia articles work on an opt-in basis, meaning that communities, not the WMF or Abstract Wikipedia editors, choose which Abstract articles to include in their wikis. For an example of this system, see this special page on the Wikipedia Test wiki: [https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:CommunityConfiguration/AbstractWikiOptedInArticles Special:CommunityConfiguration/AbstractWikiOptedInArticles]
* An abstract article can't be mapped to every language because there are huge differences in the way languages divide sentences into parts of speech (syntax)
* Other NLG projects have tried and failed to solve the problem of when to include "the" (the definite article)
* Some concepts are simply untranslatable; languages are in some way limited by culture/worldview
* AW is trying to create an IAL / universal language
* The foundation of AW is a model of linguistics which is discredited by the current consensus of linguists
* By accepting contributions, AW leeches volunteer man-hours from sister projects
*:Volunteers own our time. If we consider it best spent here, we are obviously aligned with the aims and viability of this project. Closing it would not encourage us to contribute more. Some of us have contributed to Wikimedia projects for decades, and the variety of projects or contributions is one of the things that can help us to motivate and maintain such commitment.
* Volunteer time would be better spent using [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ContentTranslation Extension:ContentTranslation]
* The server resources would be better spent on training LLMs for under-resourced languages
* If it succeeds, AW will bring about a sort of "digital neo-colonialism" in which small language communities get enwp translated into their language
* When a new set of NLG functions emerges to fix the flaws of the previous set, every abstract article will need to be rewritten
* Even the most fluent machine-generated text will remain soulless compared to a human-written article, so why bother?
* Some languages have a lot of inflected forms of words; just storing them on Wikidata is hard, to say nothing of using them in Wikifunctions
* AW is an automated/machine translation service, something that everyone else is now using LLMs for
*:The reason why AW uses functions it that it gives users complete control over how content is displayed and translated. Whereas LLMs can be unpredictable, hard to properly diagnose issues, and very difficult for volunteers to fix.
* Reading AW requires running huge JavaScript blobs in your browser
*:When articles are eventually selected for display in language editions of Wikipedia, the reading experience will be similar to any other page on that wiki. The AW site is primarily designed for content development. The site itself is also under development, so the current state does not necessarily represent a long-term ideal.
[[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 02:25, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
:Thanks, good summary. Should we prepare answers individually here (separate sections?) then add them to the page when done? --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 02:51, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
::You're welcome to chop up by above comment for organisational purposes. [[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 03:00, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
:::Okay, I'll write as though it's the answer, anyone should feel free to overwrite and improve. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 03:29, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
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== Correcting common misconceptions, possibly needs a separate page AW:NOT ==
Inspired by [[meta:Requests for comment/The future of Abstract Wikipedia]] and the comments on it. Here are some misconceptions I've drawn out from the subtext (plus a couple extra I heard from Wikimania participants):
* AW has been going for 6 years and has little to show for it!
*: {{SITENAME}} launched for public contributions on {{#formatdate:2026-03-19|ISO 8601}}. Due to the complexity of the project compared to a traditional wikitext wiki, there will be significantly more time before substantial content is on this platform. The bulk of the work is happening at Wikifunctions, where the community is creating and translating new functions. And Wikifunctions itself wasn't able to handle Lexemes until {{#formatdate:2024-10-25|ISO 8601}}.
* After a collaboration between Google.org and the AW team in 2022, the outgoing Googlers predicted AW's failure, and it's come true
* The functions used in abstract articles are deprecated / known to be untranslatable in certain languages
* Turning each statement on a Wikidata Item into a sentence will not result in a useful article; why not build a reader mode for Wikidata?
* I clicked Special:Random and all I got was two sentences and a picture...
* I found an article which is grammatically sound but factually inaccurate! I thought these were backed by Wikidata?
*: Wikidata [[wikidata:Wikidata:General disclaimer|has no guarantee of validity]], as does every other Wikimedia project. If there is an issue with Wikidata, you're encouraged to [[wikidata:Help:Items#Editing_an_item_page|contribute and correct the error]]! '''add info here about faulty functions'''
* This output is far from fluent English, and in some places it's ungrammatical; how is this useful to enwp?
* If abstract articles don't produce good English, the output in other languages must be far worse
*:At the moment this is a sound generalisation. Many of the functions to render abstract content in natural language are first configured in English. Once a function is configured in any language, the quality of prose depends on the quality and complexity of the implementation in that language.
* Some articles may be worse than others, but until they're all good, any Wikipedia would object to having AW integration enabled
*: No Wikimedia project is perfect, all suffering from low quality content to some degree. Abstract Wikipedia articles work on an opt-in basis, meaning that communities, not the WMF or Abstract Wikipedia editors, choose which Abstract articles to include in their wikis. For an example of this system, see this special page on the Wikipedia Test wiki: [https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:CommunityConfiguration/AbstractWikiOptedInArticles Special:CommunityConfiguration/AbstractWikiOptedInArticles]
* An abstract article can't be mapped to every language because there are huge differences in the way languages divide sentences into parts of speech (syntax)
* Other NLG projects have tried and failed to solve the problem of when to include "the" (the definite article)
* Some concepts are simply untranslatable; languages are in some way limited by culture/worldview
* AW is trying to create an IAL / universal language
* The foundation of AW is a model of linguistics which is discredited by the current consensus of linguists
* By accepting contributions, AW leeches volunteer man-hours from sister projects
*:Volunteers own our time. If we consider it best spent here, we are obviously aligned with the aims and viability of this project. Closing it would not encourage us to contribute more. Some of us have contributed to Wikimedia projects for decades, and the variety of projects or contributions is one of the things that can help us to motivate and maintain such commitment.
* Volunteer time would be better spent using [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ContentTranslation Extension:ContentTranslation]
* The server resources would be better spent on training LLMs for under-resourced languages
* If it succeeds, AW will bring about a sort of "digital neo-colonialism" in which small language communities get enwp translated into their language
* When a new set of NLG functions emerges to fix the flaws of the previous set, every abstract article will need to be rewritten
* Even the most fluent machine-generated text will remain soulless compared to a human-written article, so why bother?
* Some languages have a lot of inflected forms of words; just storing them on Wikidata is hard, to say nothing of using them in Wikifunctions
* AW is an automated/machine translation service, something that everyone else is now using LLMs for
*:The reason why AW uses functions it that it gives users complete control over how content is displayed and translated. Whereas LLMs can be unpredictable, hard to properly diagnose issues, and very difficult for volunteers to fix.
* Reading AW requires running huge JavaScript blobs in your browser
*:When articles are eventually selected for display in language editions of Wikipedia, the reading experience will be similar to any other page on that wiki. The AW site is primarily designed for content development. The site itself is also under development, so the current state does not necessarily represent a long-term ideal.
[[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 02:25, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
:Thanks, good summary. Should we prepare answers individually here (separate sections?) then add them to the page when done? --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 02:51, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
::You're welcome to chop up by above comment for organisational purposes. [[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 03:00, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
:::Okay, I'll write as though it's the answer, anyone should feel free to overwrite and improve. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 03:29, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
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== Correcting common misconceptions, possibly needs a separate page AW:NOT ==
Inspired by [[meta:Requests for comment/The future of Abstract Wikipedia]] and the comments on it. Here are some misconceptions I've drawn out from the subtext (plus a couple extra I heard from Wikimania participants):
* AW has been going for 6 years and has little to show for it!
*: {{SITENAME}} launched for public contributions on {{#formatdate:2026-03-19|ISO 8601}}. Due to the complexity of the project compared to a traditional wikitext wiki, there will be significantly more time before substantial content is on this platform. The bulk of the work is happening at Wikifunctions, where the community is creating and translating new functions. And Wikifunctions itself wasn't able to handle Lexemes until {{#formatdate:2024-10-25|ISO 8601}}.
* After a collaboration between Google.org and the AW team in 2022, the outgoing Googlers predicted AW's failure, and it's come true
* The functions used in abstract articles are deprecated / known to be untranslatable in certain languages
* Turning each statement on a Wikidata Item into a sentence will not result in a useful article; why not build a reader mode for Wikidata?
* I clicked Special:Random and all I got was two sentences and a picture...
* I found an article which is grammatically sound but factually inaccurate! I thought these were backed by Wikidata?
*: Wikidata [[wikidata:Wikidata:General disclaimer|has no guarantee of validity]], as does every other Wikimedia project. If there is an issue with Wikidata, you're encouraged to [[wikidata:Help:Items#Editing_an_item_page|contribute and correct the error]]! Changes will take a while to propagate through the various caches. It may also be that Wikidata was already correct, but it's represented using a combination of [[d:Help:Q|qualifiers]] which the functions don't recognise. Contributions there are also welcome!
* This output is far from fluent English, and in some places it's ungrammatical; how is this useful to enwp?
* If abstract articles don't produce good English, the output in other languages must be far worse
*:At the moment this is a sound generalisation. Many of the functions to render abstract content in natural language are first configured in English. Once a function is configured in any language, the quality of prose depends on the quality and complexity of the implementation in that language.
* Some articles may be worse than others, but until they're all good, any Wikipedia would object to having AW integration enabled
*: No Wikimedia project is perfect, all suffering from low quality content to some degree. Abstract Wikipedia articles work on an opt-in basis, meaning that communities, not the WMF or Abstract Wikipedia editors, choose which Abstract articles to include in their wikis. For an example of this system, see this special page on the Wikipedia Test wiki: [https://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:CommunityConfiguration/AbstractWikiOptedInArticles Special:CommunityConfiguration/AbstractWikiOptedInArticles]
* An abstract article can't be mapped to every language because there are huge differences in the way languages divide sentences into parts of speech (syntax)
* Other NLG projects have tried and failed to solve the problem of when to include "the" (the definite article)
* Some concepts are simply untranslatable; languages are in some way limited by culture/worldview
* AW is trying to create an IAL / universal language
* The foundation of AW is a model of linguistics which is discredited by the current consensus of linguists
* By accepting contributions, AW leeches volunteer man-hours from sister projects
*:Volunteers own our time. If we consider it best spent here, we are obviously aligned with the aims and viability of this project. Closing it would not encourage us to contribute more. Some of us have contributed to Wikimedia projects for decades, and the variety of projects or contributions is one of the things that can help us to motivate and maintain such commitment.
* Volunteer time would be better spent using [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ContentTranslation Extension:ContentTranslation]
* The server resources would be better spent on training LLMs for under-resourced languages
* If it succeeds, AW will bring about a sort of "digital neo-colonialism" in which small language communities get enwp translated into their language
* When a new set of NLG functions emerges to fix the flaws of the previous set, every abstract article will need to be rewritten
* Even the most fluent machine-generated text will remain soulless compared to a human-written article, so why bother?
* Some languages have a lot of inflected forms of words; just storing them on Wikidata is hard, to say nothing of using them in Wikifunctions
* AW is an automated/machine translation service, something that everyone else is now using LLMs for
*:The reason why AW uses functions it that it gives users complete control over how content is displayed and translated. Whereas LLMs can be unpredictable, hard to properly diagnose issues, and very difficult for volunteers to fix.
* Reading AW requires running huge JavaScript blobs in your browser
*:When articles are eventually selected for display in language editions of Wikipedia, the reading experience will be similar to any other page on that wiki. The AW site is primarily designed for content development. The site itself is also under development, so the current state does not necessarily represent a long-term ideal.
[[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 02:25, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
:Thanks, good summary. Should we prepare answers individually here (separate sections?) then add them to the page when done? --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 02:51, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
::You're welcome to chop up by above comment for organisational purposes. [[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 03:00, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
:::Okay, I'll write as though it's the answer, anyone should feel free to overwrite and improve. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 03:29, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
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== Correcting common misconceptions, possibly needs a separate page AW:NOT ==
Inspired by [[meta:Requests for comment/The future of Abstract Wikipedia]] and the comments on it. Here are some misconceptions I've drawn out from the subtext (plus a couple extra I heard from Wikimania participants):
* AW has been going for 6 years and has little to show for it!
*: {{SITENAME}} launched for public contributions on {{#formatdate:2026-03-19|ISO 8601}}. Due to the complexity of the project compared to a traditional wikitext wiki, there will be significantly more time before substantial content is on this platform. The bulk of the work is happening at Wikifunctions, where the community is creating and translating new functions. And Wikifunctions itself wasn't able to handle Lexemes until {{#formatdate:2024-10-25|ISO 8601}}.
* After a collaboration between Google.org and the AW team in 2022, the outgoing Googlers predicted AW's failure, and it's come true
* The functions used in abstract articles are deprecated / known to be untranslatable in certain languages
* Turning each statement on a Wikidata Item into a sentence will not result in a useful article; why not build a reader mode for Wikidata?
* I clicked Special:Random and all I got was two sentences and a picture...
* I found an article which is grammatically sound but factually inaccurate! I thought these were backed by Wikidata?
*: Wikidata [[wikidata:Wikidata:General disclaimer|has no guarantee of validity]], as does every other Wikimedia project. If there is an issue with Wikidata, you're encouraged to [[wikidata:Help:Items#Editing_an_item_page|contribute and correct the error]]! Changes will take a while to propagate through the various caches. It may also be that Wikidata was already correct, but it's represented using a combination of [[d:Help:Q|qualifiers]] which the functions don't recognise. Contributions there are also welcome!
* This output is far from fluent English, and in some places it's ungrammatical; how is this useful to enwp?
* If abstract articles don't produce good English, the output in other languages must be far worse
*:At the moment this is a sound generalisation. Many of the functions to render abstract content in natural language are first configured in English. Once a function is configured in any language, the quality of prose depends on the quality and complexity of the implementation in that language.
* Some articles may be worse than others, but until they're all good, any Wikipedia would object to having AW integration enabled
*: No Wikimedia project is perfect, all suffering from low quality content to some degree. {{SITENAME}} articles work on an opt-in basis, meaning that communities, not the WMF or {{SITENAME}} editors, choose which articles to include in their wikis. For an example of this system, see [[testwiki:Special:CommunityConfiguration/AbstractWikiOptedInArticles|this special page on the Wikipedia Test wiki]]. 'Integration' in this context means that the special page is enabled on your wiki.
* An abstract article can't be mapped to every language because there are huge differences in the way languages divide sentences into parts of speech (syntax)
* Other NLG projects have tried and failed to solve the problem of when to include "the" (the definite article)
* Some concepts are simply untranslatable; languages are in some way limited by culture/worldview
* AW is trying to create an IAL / universal language
* The foundation of AW is a model of linguistics which is discredited by the current consensus of linguists
* By accepting contributions, AW leeches volunteer man-hours from sister projects
*:Volunteers own our time. If we consider it best spent here, we are obviously aligned with the aims and viability of this project. Closing it would not encourage us to contribute more. Some of us have contributed to Wikimedia projects for decades, and the variety of projects or contributions is one of the things that can help us to motivate and maintain such commitment.
* Volunteer time would be better spent using [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ContentTranslation Extension:ContentTranslation]
* The server resources would be better spent on training LLMs for under-resourced languages
* If it succeeds, AW will bring about a sort of "digital neo-colonialism" in which small language communities get enwp translated into their language
* When a new set of NLG functions emerges to fix the flaws of the previous set, every abstract article will need to be rewritten
* Even the most fluent machine-generated text will remain soulless compared to a human-written article, so why bother?
* Some languages have a lot of inflected forms of words; just storing them on Wikidata is hard, to say nothing of using them in Wikifunctions
* AW is an automated/machine translation service, something that everyone else is now using LLMs for
*:The reason why AW uses functions it that it gives users complete control over how content is displayed and translated. Whereas LLMs can be unpredictable, hard to properly diagnose issues, and very difficult for volunteers to fix.
* Reading AW requires running huge JavaScript blobs in your browser
*:When articles are eventually selected for display in language editions of Wikipedia, the reading experience will be similar to any other page on that wiki. The AW site is primarily designed for content development. The site itself is also under development, so the current state does not necessarily represent a long-term ideal.
[[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 02:25, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
:Thanks, good summary. Should we prepare answers individually here (separate sections?) then add them to the page when done? --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 02:51, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
::You're welcome to chop up by above comment for organisational purposes. [[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 03:00, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
:::Okay, I'll write as though it's the answer, anyone should feel free to overwrite and improve. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 03:29, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
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== Correcting common misconceptions, possibly needs a separate page AW:NOT ==
Inspired by [[meta:Requests for comment/The future of Abstract Wikipedia]] and the comments on it. Here are some misconceptions I've drawn out from the subtext (plus a couple extra I heard from Wikimania participants):
* AW has been going for 6 years and has little to show for it!
*: {{SITENAME}} launched for public contributions on {{#formatdate:2026-03-19|ISO 8601}}. Due to the complexity of the project compared to a traditional wikitext wiki, there will be significantly more time before substantial content is on this platform. The bulk of the work is happening at Wikifunctions, where the community is creating and translating new functions. And Wikifunctions itself wasn't able to handle Lexemes until {{#formatdate:2024-10-25|ISO 8601}}.
* After a collaboration between Google.org and the AW team in 2022, the outgoing Googlers predicted AW's failure, and it's come true
* The functions used in abstract articles are deprecated / known to be untranslatable in certain languages
* Turning each statement on a Wikidata Item into a sentence will not result in a useful article; why not build a reader mode for Wikidata?
* I clicked Special:Random and all I got was two sentences and a picture...
* I found an article which is grammatically sound but factually inaccurate! I thought these were backed by Wikidata?
*: Wikidata [[wikidata:Wikidata:General disclaimer|has no guarantee of validity]], as does every other Wikimedia project. If there is an issue with Wikidata, you're encouraged to [[wikidata:Help:Items#Editing_an_item_page|contribute and correct the error]]! Changes will take a while to propagate through the various caches. It may also be that Wikidata was already correct, but it's represented using a combination of [[d:Help:Q|qualifiers]] which the functions don't recognise. Contributions there are also welcome!
* This output is far from fluent English, and in some places it's ungrammatical; how is this useful to enwp?
* If abstract articles don't produce good English, the output in other languages must be far worse
*:At the moment this is a sound generalisation. Many of the functions to render abstract content in natural language are first configured in English. Once a function is configured in any language, the quality of prose depends on the quality and complexity of the implementation in that language.
* Some articles may be worse than others, but until they're all good, any Wikipedia would object to having AW integration enabled
*: No Wikimedia project is perfect, all suffering from low quality content to some degree. {{SITENAME}} articles work on an opt-in basis, meaning that communities, not the WMF or {{SITENAME}} editors, choose which articles to include in their wikis. For an example of this system, see [[testwiki:Special:CommunityConfiguration/AbstractWikiOptedInArticles|this special page on the Wikipedia Test wiki]]. 'Integration' in this context means that the special page is enabled on your wiki.
* An abstract article can't be mapped to every language because there are huge differences in the way languages divide sentences into parts of speech (syntax)
* Other NLG projects have tried and failed to solve the problem of when to include "the" (the definite article)
* Some concepts are simply untranslatable; languages are in some way limited by culture/worldview
* AW is trying to create an IAL / universal language
* The foundation of AW is a model of linguistics which is discredited by the current consensus of linguists
* By accepting contributions, AW leeches volunteer man-hours from sister projects
*:We volunteers own the time we spend. If we consider it best spent here, we are obviously aligned with the aims and viability of this project. Closing it would not encourage us to contribute more. Some of us have contributed to Wikimedia projects for decades, and the variety of projects or contributions is one of the things that can help us to motivate and maintain such commitment. {{SITENAME}} relies on the content in Wikifunctions and Wikidata to produce output, so it pushes contributors to those projects.
* Volunteer time would be better spent using [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ContentTranslation Extension:ContentTranslation]
* The server resources would be better spent on training LLMs for under-resourced languages
* If it succeeds, AW will bring about a sort of "digital neo-colonialism" in which small language communities get enwp translated into their language
* When a new set of NLG functions emerges to fix the flaws of the previous set, every abstract article will need to be rewritten
* Even the most fluent machine-generated text will remain soulless compared to a human-written article, so why bother?
* Some languages have a lot of inflected forms of words; just storing them on Wikidata is hard, to say nothing of using them in Wikifunctions
* AW is an automated/machine translation service, something that everyone else is now using LLMs for
*:The reason why AW uses functions it that it gives users complete control over how content is displayed and translated. Whereas LLMs can be unpredictable, hard to properly diagnose issues, and very difficult for volunteers to fix.
* Reading AW requires running huge JavaScript blobs in your browser
*:When articles are eventually selected for display in language editions of Wikipedia, the reading experience will be similar to any other page on that wiki. The AW site is primarily designed for content development. The site itself is also under development, so the current state does not necessarily represent a long-term ideal.
[[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 02:25, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
:Thanks, good summary. Should we prepare answers individually here (separate sections?) then add them to the page when done? --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 02:51, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
::You're welcome to chop up by above comment for organisational purposes. [[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 03:00, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
:::Okay, I'll write as though it's the answer, anyone should feel free to overwrite and improve. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 03:29, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
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== Correcting common misconceptions, possibly needs a separate page AW:NOT ==
Inspired by [[meta:Requests for comment/The future of Abstract Wikipedia]] and the comments on it. Here are some misconceptions I've drawn out from the subtext (plus a couple extra I heard from Wikimania participants):
* AW has been going for 6 years and has little to show for it!
*: {{SITENAME}} launched for public contributions on {{#formatdate:2026-03-19|ISO 8601}}. Due to the complexity of the project compared to a traditional wikitext wiki, there will be significantly more time before substantial content is on this platform. The bulk of the work is happening at Wikifunctions, where the community is creating and translating new functions. And Wikifunctions itself wasn't able to handle Lexemes until {{#formatdate:2024-10-25|ISO 8601}}.
* After a collaboration between Google.org and the AW team in 2022, the outgoing Googlers predicted AW's failure, and it's come true
* The functions used in abstract articles are deprecated / known to be untranslatable in certain languages
* Turning each statement on a Wikidata Item into a sentence will not result in a useful article; why not build a reader mode for Wikidata?
* I clicked Special:Random and all I got was two sentences and a picture...
* I found an article which is grammatically sound but factually inaccurate! I thought these were backed by Wikidata?
*: Wikidata [[wikidata:Wikidata:General disclaimer|has no guarantee of validity]], as does every other Wikimedia project. If there is an issue with Wikidata, you're encouraged to [[wikidata:Help:Items#Editing_an_item_page|contribute and correct the error]]! Changes will take a while to propagate through the various caches. It may also be that Wikidata was already correct, but it's represented using a combination of [[d:Help:Q|qualifiers]] which the functions don't recognise. Contributions there are also welcome!
* This output is far from fluent English, and in some places it's ungrammatical; how is this useful to enwp?
* If abstract articles don't produce good English, the output in other languages must be far worse
*:At the moment this is a sound generalisation. Many of the functions to render abstract content in natural language are first configured in English. Once a function is configured in any language, the quality of prose depends on the quality and complexity of the implementation in that language.
* Some articles may be worse than others, but until they're all good, any Wikipedia would object to having AW integration enabled
*: No Wikimedia project is perfect, all suffering from low quality content to some degree. {{SITENAME}} articles work on an opt-in basis, meaning that communities, not the WMF or {{SITENAME}} editors, choose which articles to include in their wikis. For an example of this system, see [[testwiki:Special:CommunityConfiguration/AbstractWikiOptedInArticles|this special page on the Wikipedia Test wiki]]. 'Integration' in this context means that the special page is enabled on your wiki.
* An abstract article can't be mapped to every language because there are huge differences in the way languages divide sentences into parts of speech (syntax)
* Other NLG projects have tried and failed to solve the problem of when to include "the" (the definite article)
* Some concepts are simply untranslatable; languages are in some way limited by culture/worldview
* AW is trying to create an IAL / universal language
* The foundation of AW is a model of linguistics which is discredited by the current consensus of linguists
* By accepting contributions, AW leeches volunteer man-hours from sister projects
*:We volunteers own the time we spend. If we consider it best spent here, we are obviously aligned with the aims and viability of this project. Closing it would not encourage us to contribute more. Some of us have contributed to Wikimedia projects for decades, and the variety of projects or contributions is one of the things that can help us to motivate and maintain such commitment. {{SITENAME}} relies on the content in Wikifunctions and Wikidata to produce output, so it pushes contributors to those projects.
* Volunteer time would be better spent using [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ContentTranslation Extension:ContentTranslation]
* The server resources would be better spent on training LLMs for under-resourced languages
* If it succeeds, AW will bring about a sort of "digital neo-colonialism" in which small language communities get enwp translated into their language
* When a new set of NLG functions emerges to fix the flaws of the previous set, every abstract article will need to be rewritten
* Even the most fluent machine-generated text will remain soulless compared to a human-written article, so why bother?
* Some languages have a lot of inflected forms of words; just storing them on Wikidata is hard, to say nothing of using them in Wikifunctions
* AW is an automated/machine translation service, something that everyone else is now using LLMs for
*:{{SITENAME}} is not a translation service. It uses community-defined algorithms to transform an ''abstract'' representation of concepts into text in a particular written language ([[d:Q1513879|<abbr title="natural language generation">NLG</abbr>]]).<br>The reason why AW uses functions it that it gives users complete control over how content is displayed and translated. Whereas LLMs can be unpredictable, hard to properly diagnose issues, and very difficult for volunteers to fix.
* Reading AW requires running huge JavaScript blobs in your browser
*:When articles are eventually selected for display in language editions of Wikipedia, the reading experience will be similar to any other page on that wiki. The AW site is primarily designed for content development. The site itself is also under development, so the current state does not necessarily represent a long-term ideal.
[[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 02:25, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
:Thanks, good summary. Should we prepare answers individually here (separate sections?) then add them to the page when done? --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 02:51, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
::You're welcome to chop up by above comment for organisational purposes. [[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 03:00, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
:::Okay, I'll write as though it's the answer, anyone should feel free to overwrite and improve. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 03:29, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
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== Correcting common misconceptions, possibly needs a separate page AW:NOT ==
Inspired by [[meta:Requests for comment/The future of Abstract Wikipedia]] and the comments on it. Here are some misconceptions I've drawn out from the subtext (plus a couple extra I heard from Wikimania participants):
* AW has been going for 6 years and has little to show for it!
*: {{SITENAME}} launched for public contributions on {{#formatdate:2026-03-19|ISO 8601}}. Due to the complexity of the project compared to a traditional wikitext wiki, there will be significantly more time before substantial content is on this platform. The bulk of the work is happening at Wikifunctions, where the community is creating and translating new functions. And Wikifunctions itself wasn't able to handle Lexemes until {{#formatdate:2024-10-25|ISO 8601}}.
* After a collaboration between Google.org and the AW team in 2022, the outgoing Googlers predicted AW's failure, and it's come true
* The functions used in abstract articles are deprecated / known to be untranslatable in certain languages
* Turning each statement on a Wikidata Item into a sentence will not result in a useful article; why not build a reader mode for Wikidata?
* I clicked Special:Random and all I got was two sentences and a picture...
* I found an article which is grammatically sound but factually inaccurate! I thought these were backed by Wikidata?
*: Wikidata [[wikidata:Wikidata:General disclaimer|has no guarantee of validity]], as does every other Wikimedia project. If there is an issue with Wikidata, you're encouraged to [[wikidata:Help:Items#Editing_an_item_page|contribute and correct the error]]! Changes will take a while to propagate through the various caches. It may also be that Wikidata was already correct, but it's represented using a combination of [[d:Help:Q|qualifiers]] which the functions don't recognise. Contributions there are also welcome!
* This output is far from fluent English, and in some places it's ungrammatical; how is this useful to enwp?
* If abstract articles don't produce good English, the output in other languages must be far worse
*:At the moment this is a sound generalisation. Many of the functions to render abstract content in natural language are first configured in English. Once a function is configured in any language, the quality of prose depends on the quality and complexity of the implementation in that language.
* Some articles may be worse than others, but until they're all good, any Wikipedia would object to having AW integration enabled
*: No Wikimedia project is perfect, all suffering from low quality content to some degree. {{SITENAME}} articles work on an opt-in basis, meaning that communities, not the WMF or {{SITENAME}} editors, choose which articles to include in their wikis. For an example of this system, see [[testwiki:Special:CommunityConfiguration/AbstractWikiOptedInArticles|this special page on the Wikipedia Test wiki]]. 'Integration' in this context means that the special page is enabled on your wiki.
* An abstract article can't be mapped to every language because there are huge differences in the way languages divide sentences into parts of speech (syntax)
* Other NLG projects have tried and failed to solve the problem of when to include "the" (the definite article)
* Some concepts are simply untranslatable; languages are in some way limited by culture/worldview
* AW is trying to create an IAL / universal language
* The foundation of AW is a model of linguistics which is discredited by the current consensus of linguists
* By accepting contributions, AW leeches volunteer man-hours from sister projects
*:We volunteers own the time we spend. If we consider it best spent here, we are obviously aligned with the aims and viability of this project. Closing it would not encourage us to contribute more. Some of us have contributed to Wikimedia projects for decades, and the variety of projects or contributions is one of the things that can help us to motivate and maintain such commitment. {{SITENAME}} relies on the content in Wikifunctions and Wikidata to produce output, so it pushes contributors to those projects.
* Volunteer time would be better spent using [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ContentTranslation Extension:ContentTranslation]
* The server resources would be better spent on training LLMs for under-resourced languages
* If it succeeds, AW will bring about a sort of "digital neo-colonialism" in which small language communities get enwp translated into their language
* When a new set of NLG functions emerges to fix the flaws of the previous set, every abstract article will need to be rewritten
* Even the most fluent machine-generated text will remain soulless compared to a human-written article, so why bother?
* Some languages have a lot of inflected forms of words; just storing them on Wikidata is hard, to say nothing of using them in Wikifunctions
* AW is an automated/machine translation service, something that everyone else is now using LLMs for
*:{{SITENAME}} does not translate between languages. It uses community-defined algorithms to transform an ''abstract'' representation of concepts into text in a particular written language ([[d:Q1513879|<abbr title="natural language generation">NLG</abbr>]]).<br>The reason why AW uses functions it that it gives users complete control over how content is displayed and translated. Whereas LLMs can be unpredictable, hard to properly diagnose issues, and very difficult for volunteers to fix.
* Reading AW requires running huge JavaScript blobs in your browser
*:When articles are eventually selected for display in language editions of Wikipedia, the reading experience will be similar to any other page on that wiki. The AW site is primarily designed for content development. The site itself is also under development, so the current state does not necessarily represent a long-term ideal.
[[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 02:25, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
:Thanks, good summary. Should we prepare answers individually here (separate sections?) then add them to the page when done? --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 02:51, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
::You're welcome to chop up by above comment for organisational purposes. [[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 03:00, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
:::Okay, I'll write as though it's the answer, anyone should feel free to overwrite and improve. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 03:29, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
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== Correcting common misconceptions, possibly needs a separate page AW:NOT ==
Inspired by [[meta:Requests for comment/The future of Abstract Wikipedia]] and the comments on it. Here are some misconceptions I've drawn out from the subtext (plus a couple extra I heard from Wikimania participants):
* AW has been going for 6 years and has little to show for it!
*: {{SITENAME}} launched for public contributions on {{#formatdate:2026-03-19|ISO 8601}}. Due to the complexity of the project compared to a traditional wikitext wiki, there will be significantly more time before substantial content is on this platform. The bulk of the work is happening at Wikifunctions, where the community is creating and translating new functions. And Wikifunctions itself wasn't able to handle Lexemes until {{#formatdate:2024-10-25|ISO 8601}}.
* After a collaboration between Google.org and the AW team in 2022, the outgoing Googlers predicted AW's failure, and it's come true
* The functions used in abstract articles are deprecated / known to be untranslatable in certain languages
* Turning each statement on a Wikidata Item into a sentence will not result in a useful article; why not build a reader mode for Wikidata?
* I clicked Special:Random and all I got was two sentences and a picture...
* I found an article which is grammatically sound but factually inaccurate! I thought these were backed by Wikidata?
*: Wikidata [[wikidata:Wikidata:General disclaimer|has no guarantee of validity]], as does every other Wikimedia project. If there is an issue with Wikidata, you're encouraged to [[wikidata:Help:Items#Editing_an_item_page|contribute and correct the error]]! Changes will take a while to propagate through the various caches. It may also be that Wikidata was already correct, but it's represented using a combination of [[d:Help:Q|qualifiers]] which the functions don't recognise. Contributions there are also welcome!
* This output is far from fluent English, and in some places it's ungrammatical; how is this useful to enwp?
* If abstract articles don't produce good English, the output in other languages must be far worse
*:At the moment this is a sound generalisation. Many of the functions to render abstract content in natural language are first configured in English. Once a function is configured in any language, the quality of prose depends on the quality and complexity of the implementation in that language.
* Some articles may be worse than others, but until they're all good, any Wikipedia would object to having AW integration enabled
*: No Wikimedia project is perfect, all suffering from low quality content to some degree. {{SITENAME}} articles work on an opt-in basis, meaning that communities, not the WMF or {{SITENAME}} editors, choose which articles to include in their wikis. For an example of this system, see [[testwiki:Special:CommunityConfiguration/AbstractWikiOptedInArticles|this special page on the Wikipedia Test wiki]]. 'Integration' in this context means that the special page is enabled on your wiki.
* An abstract article can't be mapped to every language because there are huge differences in the way languages divide sentences into parts of speech (syntax)
* Other NLG projects have tried and failed to solve the problem of when to include "the" (the definite article)
* Some concepts are simply untranslatable; languages are in some way limited by culture/worldview
* AW is trying to create an IAL / universal language
* The foundation of AW is a model of linguistics which is discredited by the current consensus of linguists
* By accepting contributions, AW leeches volunteer man-hours from sister projects
*:We volunteers own the time we spend. If we consider it best spent here, we are obviously aligned with the aims and viability of this project. Closing it would not encourage us to contribute more. Some of us have contributed to Wikimedia projects for decades, and the variety of projects or contributions is one of the things that can help us to motivate and maintain such commitment. {{SITENAME}} relies on the content in Wikifunctions and Wikidata to produce output, so it pushes contributors to those projects.
* Volunteer time would be better spent using [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ContentTranslation Extension:ContentTranslation]
* The server resources would be better spent on training LLMs for under-resourced languages
* If it succeeds, AW will bring about a sort of "digital neo-colonialism" in which small language communities get enwp translated into their language
* When a new set of NLG functions emerges to fix the flaws of the previous set, every abstract article will need to be rewritten
* Even the most fluent machine-generated text will remain soulless compared to a human-written article, so why bother?
* Some languages have a lot of inflected forms of words; just storing them on Wikidata is hard, to say nothing of using them in Wikifunctions
* AW is an automated/machine translation service, something that everyone else is now using LLMs for
*:{{SITENAME}} does not translate between languages. It uses community-defined algorithms to transform an ''abstract'' representation of concepts into text in a particular written language ([[d:Q1513879|<abbr title="natural language generation">NLG</abbr>]]).<br>The reason why AW uses functions it that it gives users complete control over how content is displayed and translated. Whereas LLMs can be unpredictable, hard to properly diagnose issues, and very difficult for volunteers to fix.
* Reading AW requires running huge JavaScript blobs in your browser
*:When articles are eventually selected for display in language editions of Wikipedia, the reading experience will be similar to any other page on that wiki. The AW site is primarily designed for content development. The editor is currently a 0.5 MiB download. The site itself is also under development, so the current state does not necessarily represent a long-term ideal.
[[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 02:25, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
:Thanks, good summary. Should we prepare answers individually here (separate sections?) then add them to the page when done? --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 02:51, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
::You're welcome to chop up by above comment for organisational purposes. [[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 03:00, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
:::Okay, I'll write as though it's the answer, anyone should feel free to overwrite and improve. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 03:29, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
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== Correcting common misconceptions, possibly needs a separate page AW:NOT ==
Inspired by [[meta:Requests for comment/The future of Abstract Wikipedia]] and the comments on it. Here are some misconceptions I've drawn out from the subtext (plus a couple extra I heard from Wikimania participants):
* AW has been going for 6 years and has little to show for it!
*: {{SITENAME}} launched for public contributions on {{#formatdate:2026-03-19|ISO 8601}}. Due to the complexity of the project compared to a traditional wikitext wiki, there will be significantly more time before substantial content is on this platform. The bulk of the work is happening at Wikifunctions, where the community is creating and translating new functions. And Wikifunctions itself wasn't able to handle Lexemes until {{#formatdate:2024-10-25|ISO 8601}}.
* After a collaboration between Google.org and the AW team in 2022, the outgoing Googlers predicted AW's failure, and it's come true
* The functions used in abstract articles are deprecated / known to be untranslatable in certain languages
* Turning each statement on a Wikidata Item into a sentence will not result in a useful article; why not build a reader mode for Wikidata?
* I clicked Special:Random and all I got was two sentences and a picture...
* I found an article which is grammatically sound but factually inaccurate! I thought these were backed by Wikidata?
*: Wikidata [[wikidata:Wikidata:General disclaimer|has no guarantee of validity]], as does every other Wikimedia project. If there is an issue with Wikidata, you're encouraged to [[wikidata:Help:Items#Editing_an_item_page|contribute and correct the error]]! Changes will take a while to propagate through the various caches. It may also be that Wikidata was already correct, but it's represented using a combination of [[d:Help:Q|qualifiers]] which the functions don't recognise. Contributions there are also welcome!
* This output is far from fluent English, and in some places it's ungrammatical; how is this useful to enwp?
* If abstract articles don't produce good English, the output in other languages must be far worse
*:At the moment this is a sound generalisation. Many of the functions to render abstract content in natural language are first configured in English. Once a function is configured in any language, the quality of prose depends on the quality and complexity of the implementation in that language.
* Some articles may be worse than others, but until they're all good, any Wikipedia would object to having AW integration enabled
*: No Wikimedia project is perfect, all suffering from low quality content to some degree. {{SITENAME}} articles work on an opt-in basis, meaning that communities, not the WMF or {{SITENAME}} editors, choose which articles to include in their wikis. For an example of this system, see [[testwiki:Special:CommunityConfiguration/AbstractWikiOptedInArticles|this special page on the Wikipedia Test wiki]]. 'Integration' in this context means that the special page is enabled on your wiki.
* An abstract article can't be mapped to every language because there are huge differences in the way languages divide sentences into parts of speech (syntax)
* Other NLG projects have tried and failed to solve the problem of when to include "the" (the definite article)
* Some concepts are simply untranslatable; languages are in some way limited by culture/worldview
*: This is an idea linguists call "[[d:Q10359037|linguistic relativity]]", though historically the debate has been over whether ''worldview'' is limited by ''language''. Both that conjecture and the reverse turn out to be false in most aspects. On the idea of 'untranslatability', [[w:en:Untranslatability|enwp says]] <q>difficulty of translation does not always carry deep linguistic relativity implications; denotation [i.e. identification of concepts by words] can virtually always be translated, given enough [[d:Q1095194|circumlocution]]</q>. For example, the label of [[d:Property:P10|the Wikidata property 'video']] in {{#language:kcg}} is '<span lang="kcg">ghwughwu a̱guguut</span>' which means something like "movement of shadows".<sup>[TODO have someone confirm that, or find a better example]</sup>
* AW is trying to create an IAL / universal language
* The foundation of AW is a model of linguistics which is discredited by the current consensus of linguists
* By accepting contributions, AW leeches volunteer man-hours from sister projects
*:We volunteers own the time we spend. If we consider it best spent here, we are obviously aligned with the aims and viability of this project. Closing it would not encourage us to contribute more. Some of us have contributed to Wikimedia projects for decades, and the variety of projects or contributions is one of the things that can help us to motivate and maintain such commitment. {{SITENAME}} relies on the content in Wikifunctions and Wikidata to produce output, so it pushes contributors to those projects.
* Volunteer time would be better spent using [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ContentTranslation Extension:ContentTranslation]
* The server resources would be better spent on training LLMs for under-resourced languages
* If it succeeds, AW will bring about a sort of "digital neo-colonialism" in which small language communities get enwp translated into their language
* When a new set of NLG functions emerges to fix the flaws of the previous set, every abstract article will need to be rewritten
* Even the most fluent machine-generated text will remain soulless compared to a human-written article, so why bother?
* Some languages have a lot of inflected forms of words; just storing them on Wikidata is hard, to say nothing of using them in Wikifunctions
* AW is an automated/machine translation service, something that everyone else is now using LLMs for
*:{{SITENAME}} does not translate between languages. It uses community-defined algorithms to transform an ''abstract'' representation of concepts into text in a particular written language ([[d:Q1513879|<abbr title="natural language generation">NLG</abbr>]]).<br>The reason why AW uses functions it that it gives users complete control over how content is displayed and translated. Whereas LLMs can be unpredictable, hard to properly diagnose issues, and very difficult for volunteers to fix.
* Reading AW requires running huge JavaScript blobs in your browser
*:When articles are eventually selected for display in language editions of Wikipedia, the reading experience will be similar to any other page on that wiki. The AW site is primarily designed for content development. The editor is currently a 0.5 MiB download. The site itself is also under development, so the current state does not necessarily represent a long-term ideal.
[[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 02:25, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
:Thanks, good summary. Should we prepare answers individually here (separate sections?) then add them to the page when done? --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 02:51, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
::You're welcome to chop up by above comment for organisational purposes. [[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 03:00, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
:::Okay, I'll write as though it's the answer, anyone should feel free to overwrite and improve. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 03:29, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
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== Correcting common misconceptions, possibly needs a separate page AW:NOT ==
Inspired by [[meta:Requests for comment/The future of Abstract Wikipedia]] and the comments on it. Here are some misconceptions I've drawn out from the subtext (plus a couple extra I heard from Wikimania participants):
* AW has been going for 6 years and has little to show for it!
*: {{SITENAME}} launched for public contributions on {{#formatdate:2026-03-19|ISO 8601}}. Due to the complexity of the project compared to a traditional wikitext wiki, there will be significantly more time before substantial content is on this platform. The bulk of the work is happening at Wikifunctions, where the community is creating and translating new functions. And Wikifunctions itself wasn't able to handle Lexemes until {{#formatdate:2024-10-25|ISO 8601}}.
* After a collaboration between Google.org and the AW team in 2022, the outgoing Googlers predicted AW's failure, and it's come true
* The functions used in abstract articles are deprecated / known to be untranslatable in certain languages
*: That will continue to happen (see [section re: deprecation]), and it's not a huge problem. Wikidata uses deprecated properties a lot, and other wikis are full of deprecated templates and article message boxes. When a limitation is discovered in an <abbr title="natural language generation">NLG</abbr> function, it should absolutely be deprecated and replaced with a better one, but the old function can remain in place in the meantime and be useful in the languages where it was working.
* Turning each statement on a Wikidata Item into a sentence will not result in a useful article; why not build a reader mode for Wikidata?
* I clicked Special:Random and all I got was two sentences and a picture...
* I found an article which is grammatically sound but factually inaccurate! I thought these were backed by Wikidata?
*: Wikidata [[wikidata:Wikidata:General disclaimer|has no guarantee of validity]], as does every other Wikimedia project. If there is an issue with Wikidata, you're encouraged to [[wikidata:Help:Items#Editing_an_item_page|contribute and correct the error]]! Changes will take a while to propagate through the various caches. It may also be that Wikidata was already correct, but it's represented using a combination of [[d:Help:Q|qualifiers]] which the functions don't recognise. Contributions there are also welcome!
* This output is far from fluent English, and in some places it's ungrammatical; how is this useful to enwp?
* If abstract articles don't produce good English, the output in other languages must be far worse
*:At the moment this is a sound generalisation. Many of the functions to render abstract content in natural language are first configured in English. Once a function is configured in any language, the quality of prose depends on the quality and complexity of the implementation in that language.
* Some articles may be worse than others, but until they're all good, any Wikipedia would object to having AW integration enabled
*: No Wikimedia project is perfect, all suffering from low quality content to some degree. {{SITENAME}} articles work on an opt-in basis, meaning that communities, not the WMF or {{SITENAME}} editors, choose which articles to include in their wikis. For an example of this system, see [[testwiki:Special:CommunityConfiguration/AbstractWikiOptedInArticles|this special page on the Wikipedia Test wiki]]. 'Integration' in this context means that the special page is enabled on your wiki.
* An abstract article can't be mapped to every language because there are huge differences in the way languages divide sentences into parts of speech (syntax)
* Other NLG projects have tried and failed to solve the problem of when to include "the" (the definite article)
* Some concepts are simply untranslatable; languages are in some way limited by culture/worldview
*: This is an idea linguists call "[[d:Q10359037|linguistic relativity]]", though historically the debate has been over whether ''worldview'' is limited by ''language''. Both that conjecture and the reverse turn out to be false in most aspects. On the idea of 'untranslatability', [[w:en:Untranslatability|enwp says]] <q>difficulty of translation does not always carry deep linguistic relativity implications; denotation [i.e. identification of concepts by words] can virtually always be translated, given enough [[d:Q1095194|circumlocution]]</q>. For example, the label of [[d:Property:P10|the Wikidata property 'video']] in {{#language:kcg}} is '<span lang="kcg">ghwughwu a̱guguut</span>' which means something like "movement of shadows".<sup>[TODO have someone confirm that, or find a better example]</sup>
* AW is trying to create an IAL / universal language
* The foundation of AW is a model of linguistics which is discredited by the current consensus of linguists
* By accepting contributions, AW leeches volunteer man-hours from sister projects
*:We volunteers own the time we spend. If we consider it best spent here, we are obviously aligned with the aims and viability of this project. Closing it would not encourage us to contribute more. Some of us have contributed to Wikimedia projects for decades, and the variety of projects or contributions is one of the things that can help us to motivate and maintain such commitment. {{SITENAME}} relies on the content in Wikifunctions and Wikidata to produce output, so it pushes contributors to those projects.
* Volunteer time would be better spent using [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ContentTranslation Extension:ContentTranslation]
* The server resources would be better spent on training LLMs for under-resourced languages
* If it succeeds, AW will bring about a sort of "digital neo-colonialism" in which small language communities get enwp translated into their language
* When a new set of NLG functions emerges to fix the flaws of the previous set, every abstract article will need to be rewritten
* Even the most fluent machine-generated text will remain soulless compared to a human-written article, so why bother?
* Some languages have a lot of inflected forms of words; just storing them on Wikidata is hard, to say nothing of using them in Wikifunctions
* AW is an automated/machine translation service, something that everyone else is now using LLMs for
*:{{SITENAME}} does not translate between languages. It uses community-defined algorithms to transform an ''abstract'' representation of concepts into text in a particular written language ([[d:Q1513879|<abbr title="natural language generation">NLG</abbr>]]).<br>The reason why AW uses functions it that it gives users complete control over how content is displayed and translated. Whereas LLMs can be unpredictable, hard to properly diagnose issues, and very difficult for volunteers to fix.
* Reading AW requires running huge JavaScript blobs in your browser
*:When articles are eventually selected for display in language editions of Wikipedia, the reading experience will be similar to any other page on that wiki. The AW site is primarily designed for content development. The editor is currently a 0.5 MiB download. The site itself is also under development, so the current state does not necessarily represent a long-term ideal.
[[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 02:25, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
:Thanks, good summary. Should we prepare answers individually here (separate sections?) then add them to the page when done? --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 02:51, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
::You're welcome to chop up by above comment for organisational purposes. [[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 03:00, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
:::Okay, I'll write as though it's the answer, anyone should feel free to overwrite and improve. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 03:29, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
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== Correcting common misconceptions, possibly needs a separate page AW:NOT ==
Inspired by [[meta:Requests for comment/The future of Abstract Wikipedia]] and the comments on it. Here are some misconceptions I've drawn out from the subtext (plus a couple extra I heard from Wikimania participants):
* AW has been going for 6 years and has little to show for it!
*: {{SITENAME}} launched for public contributions on {{#formatdate:2026-03-19|ISO 8601}}. Due to the complexity of the project compared to a traditional wikitext wiki, there will be significantly more time before substantial content is on this platform. The bulk of the work is happening at Wikifunctions, where the community is creating and translating new functions. And Wikifunctions itself wasn't able to handle Lexemes until {{#formatdate:2024-10-25|ISO 8601}}.
* After a collaboration between Google.org and the AW team in 2022, the outgoing Googlers predicted AW's failure, and it's come true
* The functions used in abstract articles are deprecated / known to be untranslatable in certain languages
*: That will continue to happen (see [section re: deprecation]), and it's not a huge problem. Wikidata uses deprecated properties a lot, and other wikis are full of deprecated templates and article message boxes. When a limitation is discovered in an <abbr title="natural language generation">NLG</abbr> function, it should absolutely be deprecated and replaced with a better one, but the old function can remain in place in the meantime and be useful in the languages where it was working.
* Turning each statement on a Wikidata Item into a sentence will not result in a useful article; why not build a reader mode for Wikidata?
* I clicked Special:Random and all I got was two sentences and a picture...
* I found an article which is grammatically sound but factually inaccurate! I thought these were backed by Wikidata?
*: Wikidata [[wikidata:Wikidata:General disclaimer|has no guarantee of validity]], as does every other Wikimedia project. If there is an issue with Wikidata, you're encouraged to [[wikidata:Help:Items#Editing_an_item_page|contribute and correct the error]]! Changes will take a while to propagate through the various caches. It may also be that Wikidata was already correct, but it's represented using a combination of [[d:Help:Q|qualifiers]] which the functions don't recognise. Contributions there are also welcome!
* This output is far from fluent English, and in some places it's ungrammatical; how is this useful to enwp?
* If abstract articles don't produce good English, the output in other languages must be far worse
*:At the moment this is a sound generalisation. Many of the functions to render abstract content in natural language are first configured in English. Once a function is configured in any language, the quality of prose depends on the quality and complexity of the implementation in that language.
* Some articles may be worse than others, but until they're all good, any Wikipedia would object to having AW integration enabled
*: No Wikimedia project is perfect, all suffering from low quality content to some degree. {{SITENAME}} articles work on an opt-in basis, meaning that communities, not the WMF or {{SITENAME}} editors, choose which articles to include in their wikis. For an example of this system, see [[testwiki:Special:CommunityConfiguration/AbstractWikiOptedInArticles|this special page on the Wikipedia Test wiki]]. 'Integration' in this context means that the special page is enabled on your wiki.
* An abstract article can't be mapped to every language because there are huge differences in the way languages divide sentences into parts of speech (syntax)
* Other NLG projects have tried and failed to solve the problem of when to include "the" (the definite article)
* Some concepts are simply untranslatable; languages are in some way limited by culture/worldview
*: This is an idea linguists call "[[d:Q10359037|linguistic relativity]]", though historically the debate has been over whether ''worldview'' is limited by ''language''. Both that conjecture and the reverse turn out to be false in most aspects. On the idea of 'untranslatability', [[w:en:Untranslatability|enwp says]] <q>difficulty of translation does not always carry deep linguistic relativity implications; denotation [i.e. identification of concepts by words] can virtually always be translated, given enough [[d:Q1095194|circumlocution]]</q>. For example, the label of [[d:Property:P10|the Wikidata property 'video']] in {{#language:kcg}} is '<span lang="kcg">ghwughwu a̱guguut</span>' which means something like "movement of shadows".<sup>[TODO have someone confirm that, or find a better example]</sup>
* AW is trying to create an IAL / universal language
* The foundation of AW is a model of linguistics which is discredited by the current consensus of linguists
* By accepting contributions, AW leeches volunteer man-hours from sister projects
*:We volunteers own the time we spend. If we consider it best spent here, we are obviously aligned with the aims and viability of this project. Closing it would not encourage us to contribute more. Some of us have contributed to Wikimedia projects for decades, and the variety of projects or contributions is one of the things that can help us to motivate and maintain such commitment. {{SITENAME}} relies on the content in Wikifunctions and Wikidata to produce output, so it pushes contributors to those projects.
* Volunteer time would be better spent using [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ContentTranslation Extension:ContentTranslation]
* The server resources would be better spent on training LLMs for under-resourced languages
* If it succeeds, AW will bring about a sort of "digital neo-colonialism" in which small language communities get enwp translated into their language
* When a new set of NLG functions emerges to fix the flaws of the previous set, every abstract article will need to be rewritten
* Even the most fluent machine-generated text will remain soulless compared to a human-written article, so why bother?
* Some languages have a lot of inflected forms of words; just storing them on Wikidata is hard, to say nothing of using them in Wikifunctions
* AW is an automated/machine translation service, something that everyone else is now using LLMs for
*:{{SITENAME}} does not translate between languages. It uses community-defined algorithms to transform an ''abstract'' representation of concepts into [[d:Q2568869|rich text]] in a particular written language ([[d:Q1513879|<abbr title="natural language generation">NLG</abbr>]]).<br>The reason why AW uses functions it that it gives users complete control over how content is displayed and translated. Whereas LLMs can be unpredictable, hard to properly diagnose issues, and very difficult for volunteers to fix.
* Reading AW requires running huge JavaScript blobs in your browser
*:When articles are eventually selected for display in language editions of Wikipedia, the reading experience will be similar to any other page on that wiki. The AW site is primarily designed for content development. The editor is currently a 0.5 MiB download. The site itself is also under development, so the current state does not necessarily represent a long-term ideal.
[[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 02:25, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
:Thanks, good summary. Should we prepare answers individually here (separate sections?) then add them to the page when done? --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 02:51, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
::You're welcome to chop up by above comment for organisational purposes. [[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 03:00, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
:::Okay, I'll write as though it's the answer, anyone should feel free to overwrite and improve. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 03:29, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
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== Correcting common misconceptions, possibly needs a separate page AW:NOT ==
Inspired by [[meta:Requests for comment/The future of Abstract Wikipedia]] and the comments on it. Here are some misconceptions I've drawn out from the subtext (plus a couple extra I heard from Wikimania participants):
* AW has been going for 6 years and has little to show for it!
*: {{SITENAME}} launched for public contributions on {{#formatdate:2026-03-19|ISO 8601}}. Due to the complexity of the project compared to a traditional wikitext wiki, there will be significantly more time before substantial content is on this platform. The bulk of the work is happening at Wikifunctions, where the community is creating and translating new functions. And Wikifunctions itself wasn't able to handle Lexemes until {{#formatdate:2024-10-25|ISO 8601}}.
* After a collaboration between Google.org and the AW team in 2022, the outgoing Googlers predicted AW's failure, and it's come true
* The functions used in abstract articles are deprecated / known to be untranslatable in certain languages
*: That will continue to happen (see [section re: deprecation]), and it's not a huge problem. Wikidata uses deprecated properties a lot, and other wikis are full of deprecated templates and article message boxes. When a limitation is discovered in an <abbr title="natural language generation">NLG</abbr> function, it should absolutely be deprecated and replaced with a better one, but the old function can remain in place in the meantime and be useful in the languages where it was working.
* Turning each statement on a Wikidata Item into a sentence will not result in a useful article; why not build a reader mode for Wikidata?
* I clicked Special:Random and all I got was two sentences and a picture...
* I found an article which is grammatically sound but factually inaccurate! I thought these were backed by Wikidata?
*: Wikidata [[wikidata:Wikidata:General disclaimer|has no guarantee of validity]], as does every other Wikimedia project. If there is an issue with Wikidata, you're encouraged to [[wikidata:Help:Items#Editing_an_item_page|contribute and correct the error]]! Changes will take a while to propagate through the various caches. It may also be that Wikidata was already correct, but it's represented using a combination of [[d:Help:Q|qualifiers]] which the functions don't recognise. Contributions there are also welcome!
* This output is far from fluent English, and in some places it's ungrammatical; how is this useful to enwp?
* If abstract articles don't produce good English, the output in other languages must be far worse
*:At the moment this is a sound generalisation. Many of the functions to render abstract content in natural language are first configured in English. Once a function is configured in any language, the quality of prose depends on the quality and complexity of the implementation in that language.
* Some articles may be worse than others, but until they're all good, any Wikipedia would object to having AW integration enabled
*: No Wikimedia project is perfect, all suffering from low quality content to some degree. {{SITENAME}} articles work on an opt-in basis, meaning that communities, not the WMF or {{SITENAME}} editors, choose which articles to include in their wikis. For an example of this system, see [[testwiki:Special:CommunityConfiguration/AbstractWikiOptedInArticles|this special page on the Wikipedia Test wiki]]. 'Integration' in this context means that the special page is enabled on your wiki.<br>Editors will also be able to create a local article using the abstract article as a starting point, once integration is enabled, or they could use individual functions in an existing article via [[f:Wikifunctions:Embedded_function_calls|embedded function calls]].
* An abstract article can't be mapped to every language because there are huge differences in the way languages divide sentences into parts of speech (syntax)
* Other NLG projects have tried and failed to solve the problem of when to include "the" (the definite article)
* Some concepts are simply untranslatable; languages are in some way limited by culture/worldview
*: This is an idea linguists call "[[d:Q10359037|linguistic relativity]]", though historically the debate has been over whether ''worldview'' is limited by ''language''. Both that conjecture and the reverse turn out to be false in most aspects. On the idea of 'untranslatability', [[w:en:Untranslatability|enwp says]] <q>difficulty of translation does not always carry deep linguistic relativity implications; denotation [i.e. identification of concepts by words] can virtually always be translated, given enough [[d:Q1095194|circumlocution]]</q>. For example, the label of [[d:Property:P10|the Wikidata property 'video']] in {{#language:kcg}} is '<span lang="kcg">ghwughwu a̱guguut</span>' which means something like "movement of shadows".<sup>[TODO have someone confirm that, or find a better example]</sup>
* AW is trying to create an IAL / universal language
* The foundation of AW is a model of linguistics which is discredited by the current consensus of linguists
* By accepting contributions, AW leeches volunteer man-hours from sister projects
*:We volunteers own the time we spend. If we consider it best spent here, we are obviously aligned with the aims and viability of this project. Closing it would not encourage us to contribute more. Some of us have contributed to Wikimedia projects for decades, and the variety of projects or contributions is one of the things that can help us to motivate and maintain such commitment. {{SITENAME}} relies on the content in Wikifunctions and Wikidata to produce output, so it pushes contributors to those projects.
* Volunteer time would be better spent using [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ContentTranslation Extension:ContentTranslation]
* The server resources would be better spent on training LLMs for under-resourced languages
* If it succeeds, AW will bring about a sort of "digital neo-colonialism" in which small language communities get enwp translated into their language
* When a new set of NLG functions emerges to fix the flaws of the previous set, every abstract article will need to be rewritten
* Even the most fluent machine-generated text will remain soulless compared to a human-written article, so why bother?
* Some languages have a lot of inflected forms of words; just storing them on Wikidata is hard, to say nothing of using them in Wikifunctions
* AW is an automated/machine translation service, something that everyone else is now using LLMs for
*:{{SITENAME}} does not translate between languages. It uses community-defined algorithms to transform an ''abstract'' representation of concepts into [[d:Q2568869|rich text]] in a particular written language ([[d:Q1513879|<abbr title="natural language generation">NLG</abbr>]]).<br>The reason why AW uses functions it that it gives users complete control over how content is displayed and translated. Whereas LLMs can be unpredictable, hard to properly diagnose issues, and very difficult for volunteers to fix.
* Reading AW requires running huge JavaScript blobs in your browser
*:When articles are eventually selected for display in language editions of Wikipedia, the reading experience will be similar to any other page on that wiki. The AW site is primarily designed for content development. The editor is currently a 0.5 MiB download. The site itself is also under development, so the current state does not necessarily represent a long-term ideal.
[[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 02:25, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
:Thanks, good summary. Should we prepare answers individually here (separate sections?) then add them to the page when done? --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 02:51, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
::You're welcome to chop up by above comment for organisational purposes. [[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 03:00, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
:::Okay, I'll write as though it's the answer, anyone should feel free to overwrite and improve. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 03:29, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
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== Correcting common misconceptions, possibly needs a separate page AW:NOT ==
Inspired by [[meta:Requests for comment/The future of Abstract Wikipedia]] and the comments on it. Here are some misconceptions I've drawn out from the subtext (plus a couple extra I heard from Wikimania participants):
* AW has been going for 6 years and has little to show for it!
*: {{SITENAME}} launched for public contributions on {{#formatdate:2026-03-19|ISO 8601}}. Due to the complexity of the project compared to a traditional wikitext wiki, there will be significantly more time before substantial content is on this platform. The bulk of the work is happening at Wikifunctions, where the community is creating and translating new functions. And Wikifunctions itself wasn't able to handle Lexemes until {{#formatdate:2024-10-25|ISO 8601}}.
* After a collaboration between Google.org and the AW team in 2022, the outgoing Googlers predicted AW's failure, and it's come true
* The functions used in abstract articles are deprecated / known to be untranslatable in certain languages
*: That will continue to happen (see [section re: deprecation]), and it's not a huge problem. Wikidata uses deprecated properties a lot, and other wikis are full of deprecated templates and article message boxes. When a limitation is discovered in an <abbr title="natural language generation">NLG</abbr> function, it should absolutely be deprecated and replaced with a better one, but the old function can remain in place in the meantime and be useful in the languages where it was working.
* Turning each statement on a Wikidata Item into a sentence will not result in a useful article; why not build a reader mode for Wikidata?
* I clicked Special:Random and all I got was two sentences and a picture...
* I found an article which is grammatically sound but factually inaccurate! I thought these were backed by Wikidata?
*: Wikidata [[wikidata:Wikidata:General disclaimer|has no guarantee of validity]], as does every other Wikimedia project. If there is an issue with Wikidata, you're encouraged to [[wikidata:Help:Items#Editing_an_item_page|contribute and correct the error]]! Changes will take a while to propagate through the various caches. It may also be that Wikidata was already correct, but it's represented using a combination of [[d:Help:Q|qualifiers]] which the functions don't recognise. Contributions there are also welcome!
* This output is far from fluent English, and in some places it's ungrammatical; how is this useful to enwp?
* If abstract articles don't produce good English, the output in other languages must be far worse
*:At the moment this is a sound generalisation. Many of the functions to render abstract content in natural language are first configured in English. Once a function is configured in any language, the quality of prose depends on the quality and complexity of the implementation in that language.
* Some articles may be worse than others, but until they're all good, any Wikipedia would object to having AW integration enabled
*: No Wikimedia project is perfect, all suffering from low quality content to some degree. {{SITENAME}} articles work on an opt-in basis, meaning that communities, not the WMF or {{SITENAME}} editors, choose which articles to include in their wikis. For an example of this system, see [[testwiki:Special:CommunityConfiguration/AbstractWikiOptedInArticles|this special page on the Wikipedia Test wiki]]. 'Integration' in this context means that the special page is enabled on your wiki.<br>Editors will also be able to create a local article using the abstract article as a starting point, once integration is enabled, or they could use individual functions in an existing article via [[f:Wikifunctions:Embedded_function_calls|embedded function calls]].
* An abstract article can't be mapped to every language because there are huge differences in the way languages divide sentences into parts of speech (syntax)
* Other NLG projects have tried and failed to solve the problem of when to include "the" (the definite article)
* Some concepts are simply untranslatable; languages are in some way limited by culture/worldview
*: This is an idea linguists call "[[d:Q10359037|linguistic relativity]]", though historically the debate has been over whether ''worldview'' is limited by ''language''. Both that conjecture and the reverse turn out to be false in most aspects. On the idea of 'untranslatability', [[w:en:Untranslatability|enwp says]] <q>difficulty of translation does not always carry deep linguistic relativity implications; denotation [i.e. identification of concepts by words] can virtually always be translated, given enough [[d:Q1095194|circumlocution]]</q>. For example, the label of [[d:Property:P10|the Wikidata property 'video']] in {{#language:kcg}} is '<span lang="kcg">ghwughwu a̱guguut</span>' which means something like "movement of shadows".<sup>[TODO have someone confirm that, or find a better example]</sup>
* AW is trying to create an IAL / universal language
* The foundation of AW is a model of linguistics which is discredited by the current consensus of linguists
* By accepting contributions, AW leeches volunteer man-hours from sister projects
*:We volunteers own the time we spend. If we consider it best spent here, we are obviously aligned with the aims and viability of this project. Closing it would not encourage us to contribute more. Some of us have contributed to Wikimedia projects for decades, and the variety of projects or contributions is one of the things that can help us to motivate and maintain such commitment. {{SITENAME}} relies on the content in Wikifunctions and Wikidata to produce output, so it pushes contributors to those projects.
* Volunteer time would be better spent using [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ContentTranslation Extension:ContentTranslation]
* The server resources would be better spent on training LLMs for under-resourced languages
* It was already possible to create formulaic articles from Wikidata using templates and/or modules, an entirely new system is unnecessary
*: Certainly it was possible, some Wikipedias did build systems which failed and others built systems which worked and are still in use. Like the current {{SITENAME}}, these had a high learning curve for those looking to contribute to the system, but unlike {{SITENAME}} they are all limited to their own wikis.
* If it succeeds, AW will bring about a sort of "digital neo-colonialism" in which small language communities get enwp translated into their language
* When a new set of NLG functions emerges to fix the flaws of the previous set, every abstract article will need to be rewritten
* Even the most fluent machine-generated text will remain soulless compared to a human-written article, so why bother?
* Some languages have a lot of inflected forms of words; just storing them on Wikidata is hard, to say nothing of using them in Wikifunctions
* AW is an automated/machine translation service, something that everyone else is now using LLMs for
*:{{SITENAME}} does not translate between languages. It uses community-defined algorithms to transform an ''abstract'' representation of concepts into [[d:Q2568869|rich text]] in a particular written language ([[d:Q1513879|<abbr title="natural language generation">NLG</abbr>]]).<br>The reason why AW uses functions it that it gives users complete control over how content is displayed and translated. Whereas LLMs can be unpredictable, hard to properly diagnose issues, and very difficult for volunteers to fix.
* Reading AW requires running huge JavaScript blobs in your browser
*:When articles are eventually selected for display in language editions of Wikipedia, the reading experience will be similar to any other page on that wiki. The AW site is primarily designed for content development. The editor is currently a 0.5 MiB download. The site itself is also under development, so the current state does not necessarily represent a long-term ideal.
[[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 02:25, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
:Thanks, good summary. Should we prepare answers individually here (separate sections?) then add them to the page when done? --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 02:51, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
::You're welcome to chop up by above comment for organisational purposes. [[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 03:00, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
:::Okay, I'll write as though it's the answer, anyone should feel free to overwrite and improve. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 03:29, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
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== Correcting common misconceptions, possibly needs a separate page AW:NOT ==
Inspired by [[meta:Requests for comment/The future of Abstract Wikipedia]] and the comments on it. Here are some misconceptions I've drawn out from the subtext (plus a couple extra I heard from Wikimania participants):
* AW has been going for 6 years and has little to show for it!
*: {{SITENAME}} launched for public contributions on {{#formatdate:2026-03-19|ISO 8601}}. Due to the complexity of the project compared to a traditional wikitext wiki, there will be significantly more time before substantial content is on this platform. The bulk of the work is happening at Wikifunctions, where the community is creating and translating new functions. And Wikifunctions itself wasn't able to handle Lexemes until {{#formatdate:2024-10-25|ISO 8601}}.
* After a collaboration between Google.org and the AW team in 2022, the outgoing Googlers predicted AW's failure, and it's come true
* The functions used in abstract articles are deprecated / known to be untranslatable in certain languages
*: That will continue to happen (see [section re: deprecation]), and it's not a huge problem. Wikidata uses deprecated properties a lot, and other wikis are full of deprecated templates and article message boxes. When a limitation is discovered in an <abbr title="natural language generation">NLG</abbr> function, it should absolutely be deprecated and replaced with a better one, but the old function can remain in place in the meantime and be useful in the languages where it was working.
* Turning each statement on a Wikidata Item into a sentence will not result in a useful article; why not build a reader mode for Wikidata?
* I clicked Special:Random and all I got was two sentences and a picture...
*: Yes, most articles in any edition aren't as complete or high-quality as the best articles. Like regular wiki articles, abstract articles can be improved by editing.
* I found an article which is grammatically sound but factually inaccurate! I thought these were backed by Wikidata?
*: Wikidata [[wikidata:Wikidata:General disclaimer|has no guarantee of validity]], as does every other Wikimedia project. If there is an issue with Wikidata, you're encouraged to [[wikidata:Help:Items#Editing_an_item_page|contribute and correct the error]]! Changes will take a while to propagate through the various caches. It may also be that Wikidata was already correct, but it's represented using a combination of [[d:Help:Q|qualifiers]] which the functions don't recognise. Contributions there are also welcome!
* This output is far from fluent English, and in some places it's ungrammatical; how is this useful to enwp?
*: The English Wikipedia has a broad base of contributors, who could correct disfluencies. This isn't true for all language editions, but even a stub can help start out an eventual quality article.
* If abstract articles don't produce good English, the output in other languages must be far worse
*: At the moment this is a sound generalisation. Many of the functions to render abstract content in natural language are first configured in English. Once a function is configured in any language, the quality of prose depends on the quality and complexity of the implementation in that language.
* Some articles may be worse than others, but until they're all good, any Wikipedia would object to having AW integration enabled
*: No Wikimedia project is perfect, all suffering from low quality content to some degree. {{SITENAME}} articles work on an opt-in basis, meaning that communities, not the WMF or {{SITENAME}} editors, choose which articles to include in their wikis. For an example of this system, see [[testwiki:Special:CommunityConfiguration/AbstractWikiOptedInArticles|this special page on the Wikipedia Test wiki]]. 'Integration' in this context means that the special page is enabled on your wiki.<br>Editors will also be able to create a local article using the abstract article as a starting point, once integration is enabled, or they could use individual functions in an existing article via [[f:Wikifunctions:Embedded_function_calls|embedded function calls]].
* An abstract article can't be mapped to every language because there are huge differences in the way languages divide sentences into parts of speech (syntax)
* Other NLG projects have tried and failed to solve the problem of when to include "the" (the definite article)
* Some concepts are simply untranslatable; languages are in some way limited by culture/worldview
*: This is an idea linguists call "[[d:Q10359037|linguistic relativity]]", though historically the debate has been over whether ''worldview'' is limited by ''language''. Both that conjecture and the reverse turn out to be false in most aspects. On the idea of 'untranslatability', [[w:en:Untranslatability|enwp says]] <q>difficulty of translation does not always carry deep linguistic relativity implications; denotation [i.e. identification of concepts by words] can virtually always be translated, given enough [[d:Q1095194|circumlocution]]</q>. For example, the label of [[d:Property:P10|the Wikidata property 'video']] in {{#language:kcg}} is '<span lang="kcg">ghwughwu a̱guguut</span>' which means something like "movement of shadows".<sup>[TODO have someone confirm that, or find a better example]</sup>
* AW is trying to create an IAL / universal language
*: While IALs or areal auxlangs could be target languages, the LISP-like syntax does not itself constitute an auxiliary language. Natural language text is considered the end product of work on an abstract article.
* The foundation of AW is a model of linguistics which is discredited by the current consensus of linguists
* By accepting contributions, AW leeches volunteer man-hours from sister projects
*: We volunteers own the time we spend. If we consider it best spent here, we are obviously aligned with the aims and viability of this project. Closing it would not encourage us to contribute more. Some of us have contributed to Wikimedia projects for decades, and the variety of projects or contributions is one of the things that can help us to motivate and maintain such commitment. {{SITENAME}} relies on the content in Wikifunctions and Wikidata to produce output, so it pushes contributors to those projects.
* Volunteer time would be better spent using [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ContentTranslation Extension:ContentTranslation]
* The server resources would be better spent on training LLMs for under-resourced languages
*: Other organisations already do this, so WMF-funded machine translation development would be duplicative. Also, it isn't in the competency area of the Wikimedia movement, which is volunteer-led content.
* It was already possible to create formulaic articles from Wikidata using templates and/or modules, an entirely new system is unnecessary
*: Certainly it was possible, some Wikipedias did build systems which failed and others built systems which worked and are still in use. Like the current {{SITENAME}}, these had a high learning curve for those looking to contribute to the system, but unlike {{SITENAME}} they are all limited to their own wikis.
* If it succeeds, AW will bring about a sort of "digital neo-colonialism" in which small language communities get enwp translated into their language
*: This is a significant problem for the Wikimedia movement as a whole, not just {{SITENAME}}. For example, for our language codes we use [[w:ISO 639]], originally developed by SIL International, an organisation derived from the evangelical missionary group Summer Institute of Linguistics. By foregrounding the volunteer editors of a target language and enabling self-governance of the individual wikis, this sociopolitical influence can be mitigated.
* When a new set of NLG functions emerges to fix the flaws of the previous set, every abstract article will need to be rewritten
* Even the most fluent machine-generated text will remain soulless compared to a human-written article, so why bother?
*: The point of writing an encyclopedia is conveying factual information; the quality of prose is a separate concern, addressed at [[abstract:WikiProject Encyclopedic Quality]].
* Some languages have a lot of inflected forms of words; just storing them on Wikidata is hard, to say nothing of using them in Wikifunctions
* AW is an automated/machine translation service, something that everyone else is now using LLMs for
*: {{SITENAME}} does not translate between languages. It uses community-defined algorithms to transform an ''abstract'' representation of concepts into [[d:Q2568869|rich text]] in a particular written language ([[d:Q1513879|<abbr title="natural language generation">NLG</abbr>]]).<br>The reason why AW uses functions it that it gives users complete control over how content is displayed and translated. Whereas LLMs can be unpredictable, hard to properly diagnose issues, and very difficult for volunteers to fix.
* Reading AW requires running huge JavaScript blobs in your browser
*: When articles are eventually selected for display in language editions of Wikipedia, the reading experience will be similar to any other page on that wiki. The AW site is primarily designed for content development. The editor is currently a 0.5 MiB download. The site itself is also under development, so the current state does not necessarily represent a long-term ideal.
[[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 02:25, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
:Thanks, good summary. Should we prepare answers individually here (separate sections?) then add them to the page when done? --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 02:51, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
::You're welcome to chop up by above comment for organisational purposes. [[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 03:00, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
:::Okay, I'll write as though it's the answer, anyone should feel free to overwrite and improve. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 03:29, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
See also [[f:WF:NOT]]. — [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:30, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
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== Correcting common misconceptions, possibly needs a separate page AW:NOT ==
Inspired by [[meta:Requests for comment/The future of Abstract Wikipedia]] and the comments on it. Here are some misconceptions I've drawn out from the subtext (plus a couple extra I heard from Wikimania participants):
* AW has been going for 6 years and has little to show for it!
*: {{SITENAME}} launched for public contributions on {{#formatdate:2026-03-19|ISO 8601}}. Due to the complexity of the project compared to a traditional wikitext wiki, there will be significantly more time before substantial content is on this platform. The bulk of the work is happening at Wikifunctions, where the community is creating and translating new functions. And Wikifunctions itself wasn't able to handle Lexemes until {{#formatdate:2024-10-25|ISO 8601}}.
* After a collaboration between Google.org and the AW team in 2022, the outgoing Googlers predicted AW's failure, and it's come true
* The functions used in abstract articles are deprecated / known to be untranslatable in certain languages
*: That will continue to happen (see [section re: deprecation]), and it's not a huge problem. Wikidata uses deprecated properties a lot, and other wikis are full of deprecated templates and article message boxes. When a limitation is discovered in an <abbr title="natural language generation">NLG</abbr> function, it should absolutely be deprecated and replaced with a better one, but the old function can remain in place in the meantime and be useful in the languages where it was working.
* Turning each statement on a Wikidata Item into a sentence will not result in a useful article; why not build a reader mode for Wikidata?
* I clicked Special:Random and all I got was two sentences and a picture...
*: Yes, most articles in any edition aren't as complete or high-quality as the best articles. Like regular wiki articles, abstract articles can be improved by editing.
* I found an article which is grammatically sound but factually inaccurate! I thought these were backed by Wikidata?
*: Wikidata [[wikidata:Wikidata:General disclaimer|has no guarantee of validity]], as does every other Wikimedia project. If there is an issue with Wikidata, you're encouraged to [[wikidata:Help:Items#Editing_an_item_page|contribute and correct the error]]! Changes will take a while to propagate through the various caches. It may also be that Wikidata was already correct, but it's represented using a combination of [[d:Help:Q|qualifiers]] which the functions don't recognise. Contributions there are also welcome!
* This output is far from fluent English, and in some places it's ungrammatical; how is this useful to enwp?
*: The English Wikipedia has a broad base of contributors, who could correct disfluencies. This isn't true for all language editions, but even a stub can help start out an eventual quality article.
* If abstract articles don't produce good English, the output in other languages must be far worse
*: At the moment this is a sound generalisation. Many of the functions to render abstract content in natural language are first configured in English. Once a function is configured in any language, the quality of prose depends on the quality and complexity of the implementation in that language.
* Some articles may be worse than others, but until they're all good, any Wikipedia would object to having AW integration enabled
*: No Wikimedia project is perfect, all suffering from low quality content to some degree. {{SITENAME}} articles work on an opt-in basis, meaning that communities, not the WMF or {{SITENAME}} editors, choose which articles to include in their wikis. For an example of this system, see [[testwiki:Special:CommunityConfiguration/AbstractWikiOptedInArticles|this special page on the Wikipedia Test wiki]]. 'Integration' in this context means that the special page is enabled on your wiki.<br>Editors will also be able to create a local article using the abstract article as a starting point, once integration is enabled, or they could use individual functions in an existing article via [[f:Wikifunctions:Embedded_function_calls|embedded function calls]].
* An abstract article can't be mapped to every language because there are huge differences in the way languages divide sentences into parts of speech (syntax)
* Other NLG projects have tried and failed to solve the problem of when to include "the" (the definite article)
* Some concepts are simply untranslatable; languages are in some way limited by culture/worldview
*: This is an idea linguists call "[[d:Q10359037|linguistic relativity]]", though historically the debate has been over whether ''worldview'' is limited by ''language''. Both that conjecture and the reverse turn out to be false in most aspects. On the idea of 'untranslatability', [[w:en:Untranslatability|enwp says]] <q>difficulty of translation does not always carry deep linguistic relativity implications; denotation [i.e. identification of concepts by words] can virtually always be translated, given enough [[d:Q1095194|circumlocution]]</q>. For example, the label of [[d:Property:P10|the Wikidata property 'video']] in {{#language:kcg}} is '<span lang="kcg">ghwughwu a̱guguut</span>' which means something like "movement of shadows".<sup>[TODO have someone confirm that, or find a better example]</sup>
* AW is trying to create an IAL / universal language
*: While IALs or areal auxlangs could be target languages, the LISP-like syntax does not itself constitute an auxiliary language. Natural language text is considered the end product of work on an abstract article.
* The foundation of AW is a model of linguistics which is discredited by the current consensus of linguists
* By accepting contributions, AW leeches volunteer man-hours from sister projects
*: We volunteers own the time we spend. If we consider it best spent here, we are obviously aligned with the aims and viability of this project. Closing it would not encourage us to contribute more. Some of us have contributed to Wikimedia projects for decades, and the variety of projects or contributions is one of the things that can help us to motivate and maintain such commitment. {{SITENAME}} relies on the content in Wikifunctions and Wikidata to produce output, so it pushes contributors to those projects.
* Volunteer time would be better spent using [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ContentTranslation Extension:ContentTranslation]
* The server resources would be better spent on training LLMs for under-resourced languages
*: Other organisations already do this, so WMF-funded machine translation development would be duplicative. Also, it isn't in the competency area of the Wikimedia movement, which is volunteer-led content.
* It was already possible to create formulaic articles from Wikidata using templates and/or modules, an entirely new system is unnecessary
*: Certainly it was possible, some Wikipedias did build systems which failed and others built systems which worked and are still in use. Like the current {{SITENAME}}, these had a high learning curve for those looking to contribute to the system, but unlike {{SITENAME}} they are all limited to their own wikis.
* If it succeeds, AW will bring about a sort of "digital neo-colonialism" in which small language communities get enwp translated into their language
*: This is a significant problem for the Wikimedia movement as a whole, not just {{SITENAME}}. For example, for our language codes we use [[w:ISO 639]], originally developed by SIL International, an organisation derived from the evangelical missionary group Summer Institute of Linguistics. By foregrounding the volunteer editors of a target language and enabling self-governance of the individual wikis, this sociopolitical influence can be mitigated.
* When a new set of NLG functions emerges to fix the flaws of the previous set, every abstract article will need to be rewritten
* Even the most fluent machine-generated text will remain soulless compared to a human-written article, so why bother?
*: The point of writing an encyclopedia is conveying factual information, and for {{SITENAME}}, specifically in the languages where human resources are scarce; the quality of prose is a separate concern, addressed at [[abstract:WikiProject Encyclopedic Quality]]. The option of having a human write the whole article will always be there, see [section on article integration].
* Some languages have a lot of inflected forms of words; just storing them on Wikidata is hard, to say nothing of using them in Wikifunctions
* AW is an automated/machine translation service, something that everyone else is now using LLMs for
*: {{SITENAME}} does not translate between languages. It uses community-defined algorithms to transform an ''abstract'' representation of concepts into [[d:Q2568869|rich text]] in a particular written language ([[d:Q1513879|<abbr title="natural language generation">NLG</abbr>]]).<br>The reason why AW uses functions it that it gives users complete control over how content is displayed and translated. Whereas LLMs can be unpredictable, hard to properly diagnose issues, and very difficult for volunteers to fix.
* Reading AW requires running huge JavaScript blobs in your browser
*: When articles are eventually selected for display in language editions of Wikipedia, the reading experience will be similar to any other page on that wiki. The AW site is primarily designed for content development. The editor is currently a 0.5 MiB download. The site itself is also under development, so the current state does not necessarily represent a long-term ideal.
[[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 02:25, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
:Thanks, good summary. Should we prepare answers individually here (separate sections?) then add them to the page when done? --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 02:51, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
::You're welcome to chop up by above comment for organisational purposes. [[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 03:00, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
:::Okay, I'll write as though it's the answer, anyone should feel free to overwrite and improve. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 03:29, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
See also [[f:WF:NOT]]. — [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:30, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
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== Correcting common misconceptions, possibly needs a separate page AW:NOT ==
Inspired by [[meta:Requests for comment/The future of Abstract Wikipedia]] and the comments on it. Here are some misconceptions I've drawn out from the subtext (plus a couple extra I heard from Wikimania participants):
* AW has been going for 6 years and has little to show for it!
*: {{SITENAME}} launched for public contributions on {{#formatdate:2026-03-19|ISO 8601}}. Due to the complexity of the project compared to a traditional wikitext wiki, there will be significantly more time before substantial content is on this platform. The bulk of the work is happening at Wikifunctions, where the community is creating and translating new functions. And Wikifunctions itself wasn't able to handle Lexemes until {{#formatdate:2024-10-25|ISO 8601}}.
* After a collaboration between Google.org and the AW team in 2022, the outgoing Googlers predicted AW's failure, and it's come true
* The functions used in abstract articles are deprecated / known to be untranslatable in certain languages
*: That will continue to happen (see [section re: deprecation]), and it's not a huge problem. Wikidata uses deprecated properties a lot, and other wikis are full of deprecated templates and article message boxes. When a limitation is discovered in an <abbr title="natural language generation">NLG</abbr> function, it should absolutely be deprecated and replaced with a better one, but the old function can remain in place in the meantime and be useful in the languages where it was working.
* Turning each statement on a Wikidata Item into a sentence will not result in a useful article; why not build a reader mode for Wikidata?
* I clicked Special:Random and all I got was two sentences and a picture...
*: Yes, most articles in any edition aren't as complete or high-quality as the best articles. Like regular wiki articles, abstract articles can be improved by editing.
* I found an article which is grammatically sound but factually inaccurate! I thought these were backed by Wikidata?
*: Wikidata [[wikidata:Wikidata:General disclaimer|has no guarantee of validity]], as does every other Wikimedia project. If there is an issue with Wikidata, you're encouraged to [[wikidata:Help:Items#Editing_an_item_page|contribute and correct the error]]! Changes will take a while to propagate through the various caches. It may also be that Wikidata was already correct, but it's represented using a combination of [[d:Help:Q|qualifiers]] which the functions don't recognise. Contributions there are also welcome!
* This output is far from fluent English, and in some places it's ungrammatical; how is this useful to enwp?
*: The English Wikipedia has a broad base of contributors, who could correct disfluencies. This isn't true for all language editions, but even a stub can help start out an eventual quality article.
* If abstract articles don't produce good English, the output in other languages must be far worse
*: At the moment this is a sound generalisation. Many of the functions to render abstract content in natural language are first configured in English. Once a function is configured in any language, the quality of prose depends on the quality and complexity of the implementation in that language.
* Some articles may be worse than others, but until they're all good, any Wikipedia would object to having AW integration enabled
*: No Wikimedia project is perfect, all suffering from low quality content to some degree. {{SITENAME}} articles work on an opt-in basis, meaning that communities, not the WMF or {{SITENAME}} editors, choose which articles to include in their wikis. For an example of this system, see [[testwiki:Special:CommunityConfiguration/AbstractWikiOptedInArticles|this special page on the Wikipedia Test wiki]]. 'Integration' in this context means that the special page is enabled on your wiki.<br>Editors will also be able to create a local article using the abstract article as a starting point, once integration is enabled, or they could use individual functions in an existing article via [[f:Wikifunctions:Embedded_function_calls|embedded function calls]].
* An abstract article can't be mapped to every language because there are huge differences in the way languages divide sentences into parts of speech (syntax)
* Other NLG projects have tried and failed to solve the problem of when to include "the" (the definite article)
* Some concepts are simply untranslatable; languages are in some way limited by culture/worldview
*: This is an idea linguists call "[[d:Q10359037|linguistic relativity]]", though historically the debate has been over whether ''worldview'' is limited by ''language''. Both that conjecture and the reverse turn out to be false in most aspects. On the idea of 'untranslatability', [[w:en:Untranslatability|enwp says]] <q>difficulty of translation does not always carry deep linguistic relativity implications; denotation [i.e. identification of concepts by words] can virtually always be translated, given enough [[d:Q1095194|circumlocution]]</q>. For example, the label of [[d:Property:P10|the Wikidata property 'video']] in {{#language:kcg}} is '<span lang="kcg">ghwughwu a̱guguut</span>' which means something like "movement of shadows".<sup>[TODO have someone confirm that, or find a better example]</sup>
* AW is trying to create an IAL / universal language
*: While IALs or areal auxlangs could be target languages, the LISP-like syntax does not itself constitute an auxiliary language. Natural language text is considered the end product of work on an abstract article.
* The foundation of AW is a model of linguistics which is discredited by the current consensus of linguists
* By accepting contributions, AW leeches volunteer man-hours from sister projects
*: We volunteers own the time we spend. If we consider it best spent here, we are obviously aligned with the aims and viability of this project. Closing it would not encourage us to contribute more. Some of us have contributed to Wikimedia projects for decades, and the variety of projects or contributions is one of the things that can help us to motivate and maintain such commitment. {{SITENAME}} relies on the content in Wikifunctions and Wikidata to produce output, so it pushes contributors to those projects.
* Volunteer time would be better spent using [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ContentTranslation Extension:ContentTranslation]
* The server resources would be better spent on training LLMs for under-resourced languages
*: Other organisations already do this, so WMF-funded machine translation development would be duplicative. Also, it isn't in the competency area of the Wikimedia movement, which is volunteer-led content.
* It was already possible to create formulaic articles from Wikidata using templates and/or modules, an entirely new system is unnecessary
*: Certainly it was possible, some Wikipedias did build systems which failed and others built systems which worked and are still in use. Like the current {{SITENAME}}, these had a high learning curve for those looking to contribute to the system, but unlike {{SITENAME}} they are all limited to their own wikis.
* If it succeeds, AW will bring about a sort of "digital neo-colonialism" in which small language communities get enwp translated into their language
*: {{SITENAME}} is a blank slate, not based on enwp. It uses (via Wikifunctions) a multilingual labelling system similar to Wikidata, enabling volunteers to translate the interface which other volunteers can then use to edit articles. We will continue working at lowering the barriers to entry, so that readers of small wikis can feel comfortable clicking <q>{{int:wikilambda-abstract-tab-edit}}</q> and sharing the knowledge which is most important to them.<br>On the subject of Eurocentrism in general: This is a significant problem for the Wikimedia movement as a whole, not just {{SITENAME}}. For example, for our language codes we use [[w:ISO 639]], originally developed by SIL International, an organisation derived from the evangelical missionary group Summer Institute of Linguistics.<sup>[relevance?]</sup> By foregrounding the volunteer editors of a target language and enabling self-governance of the individual wikis, this sociopolitical influence can be mitigated.
* When a new set of NLG functions emerges to fix the flaws of the previous set, every abstract article will need to be rewritten
* Even the most fluent machine-generated text will remain soulless compared to a human-written article, so why bother?
*: The point of writing an encyclopedia is conveying factual information, and for {{SITENAME}}, specifically in the languages where human resources are scarce; the quality of prose is a separate concern, addressed at [[abstract:WikiProject Encyclopedic Quality]]. The option of having a human write the whole article will always be there, see [section on article integration].
* Some languages have a lot of inflected forms of words; just storing them on Wikidata is hard, to say nothing of using them in Wikifunctions
* AW is an automated/machine translation service, something that everyone else is now using LLMs for
*: {{SITENAME}} does not translate between languages. It uses community-defined algorithms to transform an ''abstract'' representation of concepts into [[d:Q2568869|rich text]] in a particular written language ([[d:Q1513879|<abbr title="natural language generation">NLG</abbr>]]).<br>The reason why AW uses functions it that it gives users complete control over how content is displayed and translated. Whereas LLMs can be unpredictable, hard to properly diagnose issues, and very difficult for volunteers to fix.
* Reading AW requires running huge JavaScript blobs in your browser
*: When articles are eventually selected for display in language editions of Wikipedia, the reading experience will be similar to any other page on that wiki. The AW site is primarily designed for content development. The editor is currently a 0.5 MiB download. The site itself is also under development, so the current state does not necessarily represent a long-term ideal.
[[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 02:25, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
:Thanks, good summary. Should we prepare answers individually here (separate sections?) then add them to the page when done? --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 02:51, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
::You're welcome to chop up by above comment for organisational purposes. [[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 03:00, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
:::Okay, I'll write as though it's the answer, anyone should feel free to overwrite and improve. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 03:29, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
See also [[f:WF:NOT]]. — [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:30, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
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== Correcting common misconceptions, possibly needs a separate page AW:NOT ==
Inspired by [[meta:Requests for comment/The future of Abstract Wikipedia]] and the comments on it. Here are some misconceptions I've drawn out from the subtext (plus a couple extra I heard from Wikimania participants):
* AW has been going for 6 years and has little to show for it!
*: {{SITENAME}} launched for public contributions on {{#formatdate:2026-03-19|ISO 8601}}. Due to the complexity of the project compared to a traditional wikitext wiki, there will be significantly more time before substantial content is on this platform. The bulk of the work is happening at Wikifunctions, where the community is creating and translating new functions. And Wikifunctions itself wasn't able to handle Lexemes until {{#formatdate:2024-10-25|ISO 8601}}.
* After a collaboration between Google.org and the AW team in 2022, the outgoing Googlers predicted AW's failure, and it's come true
* The functions used in abstract articles are deprecated / known to be untranslatable in certain languages
*: That will continue to happen (see [section re: deprecation]), and it's not a huge problem. Wikidata uses deprecated properties a lot, and other wikis are full of deprecated templates and article message boxes. When a limitation is discovered in an <abbr title="natural language generation">NLG</abbr> function, it should absolutely be deprecated and replaced with a better one, but the old function can remain in place in the meantime and be useful in the languages where it was working.
* Turning each statement on a Wikidata Item into a sentence will not result in a useful article; why not build a reader mode for Wikidata?
* I clicked Special:Random and all I got was two sentences and a picture...
*: Yes, most articles in any edition aren't as complete or high-quality as the best articles. Like regular wiki articles, abstract articles can be improved by editing.
* I found an article which is grammatically sound but factually inaccurate! I thought these were backed by Wikidata?
*: Wikidata [[wikidata:Wikidata:General disclaimer|has no guarantee of validity]], as does every other Wikimedia project. If there is an issue with Wikidata, you're encouraged to [[wikidata:Help:Items#Editing_an_item_page|contribute and correct the error]]! Changes will take a while to propagate through the various caches. It may also be that Wikidata was already correct, but it's represented using a combination of [[d:Help:Q|qualifiers]] which the functions don't recognise. Contributions there are also welcome!
* This output is far from fluent English, and in some places it's ungrammatical; how is this useful to enwp?
*: The English Wikipedia has a broad base of contributors, who could correct disfluencies. This isn't true for all language editions, but even a stub can help start out an eventual quality article.
* If abstract articles don't produce good English, the output in other languages must be far worse
*: At the moment this is a sound generalisation. Many of the functions to render abstract content in natural language are first configured in English. Once a function is configured in any language, the quality of prose depends on the quality and complexity of the implementation in that language.
* Some articles may be worse than others, but until they're all good, any Wikipedia would object to having AW integration enabled
*: No Wikimedia project is perfect, all suffering from low quality content to some degree. {{SITENAME}} articles work on an opt-in basis, meaning that communities, not the WMF or {{SITENAME}} editors, choose which articles to include in their wikis. For an example of this system, see [[testwiki:Special:CommunityConfiguration/AbstractWikiOptedInArticles|this special page on the Wikipedia Test wiki]]. 'Integration' in this context means that the special page is enabled on your wiki.<br>Editors will also be able to create a local article using the abstract article as a starting point, once integration is enabled, or they could use individual functions in an existing article via [[f:Wikifunctions:Embedded_function_calls|embedded function calls]].
* An abstract article can't be mapped to every language because there are huge differences in the way languages divide sentences into parts of speech (syntax)
* Other NLG projects have tried and failed to solve the problem of when to include "the" (the definite article)
* Some concepts are simply untranslatable; languages are in some way limited by culture/worldview
*: This is an idea linguists call "[[d:Q10359037|linguistic relativity]]", though historically the debate has been over whether ''worldview'' is limited by ''language''. Both that conjecture and the reverse turn out to be false in most aspects. On the idea of 'untranslatability', [[w:en:Untranslatability|enwp says]] <q>difficulty of translation does not always carry deep linguistic relativity implications; denotation [i.e. identification of concepts by words] can virtually always be translated, given enough [[d:Q1095194|circumlocution]]</q>. For example, the label of [[d:Property:P10|the Wikidata property 'video']] in {{#language:kcg}} is '<span lang="kcg">ghwughwu a̱guguut</span>' which means something like "movement of shadows".<sup>[TODO have someone confirm that, or find a better example]</sup>
* AW is trying to create an IAL / universal language
*: While IALs or areal auxlangs could be target languages, the LISP-like syntax does not itself constitute an auxiliary language. Natural language text is considered the end product of work on an abstract article.
* The foundation of AW is a model of linguistics which is discredited by the current consensus of linguists
* By accepting contributions, AW leeches volunteer man-hours from sister projects
*: We volunteers own the time we spend. If we consider it best spent here, we are obviously aligned with the aims and viability of this project. Closing it would not encourage us to contribute more. Some of us have contributed to Wikimedia projects for decades, and the variety of projects or contributions is one of the things that can help us to motivate and maintain such commitment. {{SITENAME}} relies on the content in Wikifunctions and Wikidata to produce output, so it pushes contributors to those projects.
* Volunteer time would be better spent using [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ContentTranslation Extension:ContentTranslation]
* The server resources would be better spent on training LLMs for under-resourced languages
*: Other organisations already do this, so WMF-funded machine translation development would be duplicative. Also, it isn't in the competency area of the Wikimedia movement, which is volunteer-led content.
* It was already possible to create formulaic articles from Wikidata using templates and/or modules, an entirely new system is unnecessary
*: Certainly it was possible, some Wikipedias did build systems which failed and others built systems which worked and are still in use. Like the current {{SITENAME}}, these had a high learning curve for those looking to contribute to the system, but unlike {{SITENAME}} they are all limited to their own wikis.
* If it succeeds, AW will bring about a sort of "digital neo-colonialism" in which small language communities get enwp translated into their language
*: {{SITENAME}} is a blank slate, not based on enwp. It uses (via Wikifunctions) a multilingual labelling system similar to Wikidata, enabling volunteers to translate the interface which other volunteers can then use to edit articles. We will continue working at lowering the barriers to entry, so that readers of small wikis can feel comfortable clicking <q>{{int:wikilambda-abstract-tab-edit}}</q> and sharing the knowledge which is most important to them.<br>On the subject of [[w:electronic colonialism|electronic colonialism]]: This is a significant problem for the Wikimedia movement as a whole, not just {{SITENAME}}. For example, for our language codes we use [[w:ISO 639]], originally developed by SIL Global (an organisation derived from the evangelical missionary group Summer Institute of Linguistics which has a goal of translating Christian Bibles into many languages<sup>[relevance?]</sup>). By foregrounding the volunteer editors of a target language and enabling self-governance of the individual wikis, these sociopolitical influences may be mitigated.
* When a new set of NLG functions emerges to fix the flaws of the previous set, every abstract article will need to be rewritten
* Even the most fluent machine-generated text will remain soulless compared to a human-written article, so why bother?
*: The point of writing an encyclopedia is conveying factual information, and for {{SITENAME}}, specifically in the languages where human resources are scarce; the quality of prose is a separate concern, addressed at [[abstract:WikiProject Encyclopedic Quality]]. The option of having a human write the whole article will always be there, see [section on article integration].
* Some languages have a lot of inflected forms of words; just storing them on Wikidata is hard, to say nothing of using them in Wikifunctions
* AW is an automated/machine translation service, something that everyone else is now using LLMs for
*: {{SITENAME}} does not translate between languages. It uses community-defined algorithms to transform an ''abstract'' representation of concepts into [[d:Q2568869|rich text]] in a particular written language ([[d:Q1513879|<abbr title="natural language generation">NLG</abbr>]]).<br>The reason why AW uses functions it that it gives users complete control over how content is displayed and translated. Whereas LLMs can be unpredictable, hard to properly diagnose issues, and very difficult for volunteers to fix.
* Reading AW requires running huge JavaScript blobs in your browser
*: When articles are eventually selected for display in language editions of Wikipedia, the reading experience will be similar to any other page on that wiki. The AW site is primarily designed for content development. The editor is currently a 0.5 MiB download. The site itself is also under development, so the current state does not necessarily represent a long-term ideal.
[[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 02:25, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
:Thanks, good summary. Should we prepare answers individually here (separate sections?) then add them to the page when done? --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 02:51, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
::You're welcome to chop up by above comment for organisational purposes. [[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 03:00, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
:::Okay, I'll write as though it's the answer, anyone should feel free to overwrite and improve. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 03:29, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
See also [[f:WF:NOT]]. — [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:30, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
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== Correcting common misconceptions, possibly needs a separate page AW:NOT ==
Inspired by [[meta:Requests for comment/The future of Abstract Wikipedia]] and the comments on it. Here are some misconceptions I've drawn out from the subtext (plus a couple extra I heard from Wikimania participants):
* AW has been going for 6 years and has little to show for it!
*: {{SITENAME}} launched for public contributions on {{#formatdate:2026-03-19|ISO 8601}}. Due to the complexity of the project compared to a traditional wikitext wiki, there will be significantly more time before substantial content is on this platform. The bulk of the work is happening at Wikifunctions, where the community is creating and translating new functions. And Wikifunctions itself wasn't able to handle Lexemes until {{#formatdate:2024-10-25|ISO 8601}}.
* After a collaboration between Google.org and the AW team in 2022, the outgoing Googlers predicted AW's failure, and it's come true
* The functions used in abstract articles are deprecated / known to be untranslatable in certain languages
*: That will continue to happen (see [section re: deprecation]), and it's not a huge problem. Wikidata uses deprecated properties a lot, and other wikis are full of deprecated templates and article message boxes. When a limitation is discovered in an <abbr title="natural language generation">NLG</abbr> function, it should absolutely be deprecated and replaced with a better one, but the old function can remain in place in the meantime and be useful in the languages where it was working.
* Turning each statement on a Wikidata Item into a sentence will not result in a useful article; why not build a reader mode for Wikidata?
* I clicked Special:Random and all I got was two sentences and a picture...
*: Yes, most articles in any edition aren't as complete or high-quality as the best articles. Like regular wiki articles, abstract articles can be improved by editing.
* I found an article which is grammatically sound but factually inaccurate! I thought these were backed by Wikidata?
*: Wikidata [[wikidata:Wikidata:General disclaimer|has no guarantee of validity]], as does every other Wikimedia project. If there is an issue with Wikidata, you're encouraged to [[wikidata:Help:Items#Editing_an_item_page|contribute and correct the error]]! Changes will take a while to propagate through the various caches. It may also be that Wikidata was already correct, but it's represented using a combination of [[d:Help:Q|qualifiers]] which the functions don't recognise. Contributions there are also welcome!
* This output is far from fluent English, and in some places it's ungrammatical; how is this useful to enwp?
*: The English Wikipedia has a broad base of contributors, who could correct disfluencies. This isn't true for all language editions, but even a stub can help start out an eventual quality article.
* If abstract articles don't produce good English, the output in other languages must be far worse
*: At the moment this is a sound generalisation. Many of the functions to render abstract content in natural language are first configured in English. Once a function is configured in any language, the quality of prose depends on the quality and complexity of the implementation in that language.
* Some articles may be worse than others, but until they're all good, any Wikipedia would object to having AW integration enabled
*: No Wikimedia project is perfect, all suffering from low quality content to some degree. {{SITENAME}} articles work on an opt-in basis, meaning that communities, not the WMF or {{SITENAME}} editors, choose which articles to include in their wikis. For an example of this system, see [[testwiki:Special:CommunityConfiguration/AbstractWikiOptedInArticles|this special page on the Wikipedia Test wiki]]. 'Integration' in this context means that the special page is enabled on your wiki.<br>Editors will also be able to create a local article using the abstract article as a starting point, once integration is enabled, or they could use individual functions in an existing article via [[f:Wikifunctions:Embedded_function_calls|embedded function calls]].
* An abstract article can't be mapped to every language because there are huge differences in the way languages divide sentences into parts of speech (syntax)
* Other NLG projects have tried and failed to solve the problem of when to include "the" (the definite article)
* Some concepts are simply untranslatable; languages are in some way limited by culture/worldview
*: This is an idea linguists call "[[d:Q10359037|linguistic relativity]]", though historically the debate has been over whether ''worldview'' is limited by ''language''. Both that conjecture and the reverse turn out to be false in most aspects. On the idea of 'untranslatability', [[w:en:Untranslatability|enwp says]] <q>difficulty of translation does not always carry deep linguistic relativity implications; denotation [i.e. identification of concepts by words] can virtually always be translated, given enough [[d:Q1095194|circumlocution]]</q>. For example, the label of [[d:Property:P10|the Wikidata property 'video']] in {{#language:kcg}} is '<span lang="kcg">ghwughwu a̱guguut</span>' which means something like "movement of shadows".<sup>[TODO have someone confirm that, or find a better example]</sup>
* AW is trying to create an IAL / universal language
*: While IALs or areal auxlangs could be target languages, the LISP-like syntax does not itself constitute an auxiliary language. Natural language text is considered the end product of work on an abstract article.
* The foundation of AW is a model of linguistics which is discredited by the current consensus of linguists
* By accepting contributions, AW leeches volunteer man-hours from sister projects
*: We volunteers own the time we spend. If we consider it best spent here, we are obviously aligned with the aims and viability of this project. Closing it would not encourage us to contribute more. Some of us have contributed to Wikimedia projects for decades, and the variety of projects or contributions is one of the things that can help us to motivate and maintain such commitment. {{SITENAME}} relies on the content in Wikifunctions and Wikidata to produce output, so it pushes contributors to those projects.
* Volunteer time would be better spent using [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ContentTranslation Extension:ContentTranslation]
* The server resources would be better spent on training LLMs for under-resourced languages
*: Other organisations already do this, so WMF-funded machine translation development would be duplicative. Also, it isn't in the competency area of the Wikimedia movement, which is volunteer-led content. The suggestion to "just" train LLMs for all the under-resourced languages doesn't account for the scale of the problem either: At time of writing, ~250 languages are offered in Google Translate, while there are several ''thousand'' living languages.
* It was already possible to create formulaic articles from Wikidata using templates and/or modules, an entirely new system is unnecessary
*: Certainly it was possible, some Wikipedias did build systems which failed and others built systems which worked and are still in use. Like the current {{SITENAME}}, these had a high learning curve for those looking to contribute to the system, but unlike {{SITENAME}} they are all limited to their own wikis.
* If it succeeds, AW will bring about a sort of "digital neo-colonialism" in which small language communities get enwp translated into their language
*: {{SITENAME}} is a blank slate, not based on enwp. It uses (via Wikifunctions) a multilingual labelling system similar to Wikidata, enabling volunteers to translate the interface which other volunteers can then use to edit articles. We will continue working at lowering the barriers to entry, so that readers of small wikis can feel comfortable clicking <q>{{int:wikilambda-abstract-tab-edit}}</q> and sharing the knowledge which is most important to them.<br>On the subject of [[w:electronic colonialism|electronic colonialism]]: This is a significant problem for the Wikimedia movement as a whole, not just {{SITENAME}}. For example, for our language codes we use [[w:ISO 639]], originally developed by SIL Global (an organisation derived from the evangelical missionary group Summer Institute of Linguistics which has a goal of translating Christian Bibles into many languages<sup>[relevance?]</sup>). By foregrounding the volunteer editors of a target language and enabling self-governance of the individual wikis, these sociopolitical influences may be mitigated.
* When a new set of NLG functions emerges to fix the flaws of the previous set, every abstract article will need to be rewritten
* Even the most fluent machine-generated text will remain soulless compared to a human-written article, so why bother?
*: The point of writing an encyclopedia is conveying factual information, and for {{SITENAME}}, specifically in the languages where human resources are scarce; the quality of prose is a separate concern, addressed at [[abstract:WikiProject Encyclopedic Quality]]. The option of having a human write the whole article will always be there, see [section on article integration].
* Some languages have a lot of inflected forms of words; just storing them on Wikidata is hard, to say nothing of using them in Wikifunctions
* AW is an automated/machine translation service, something that everyone else is now using LLMs for
*: {{SITENAME}} does not translate between languages. It uses community-defined algorithms to transform an ''abstract'' representation of concepts into [[d:Q2568869|rich text]] in a particular written language ([[d:Q1513879|<abbr title="natural language generation">NLG</abbr>]]).<br>The reason why AW uses functions it that it gives users complete control over how content is displayed and translated. Whereas LLMs can be unpredictable, hard to properly diagnose issues, and very difficult for volunteers to fix.
* Reading AW requires running huge JavaScript blobs in your browser
*: When articles are eventually selected for display in language editions of Wikipedia, the reading experience will be similar to any other page on that wiki. The AW site is primarily designed for content development. The editor is currently a 0.5 MiB download. The site itself is also under development, so the current state does not necessarily represent a long-term ideal.
[[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 02:25, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
:Thanks, good summary. Should we prepare answers individually here (separate sections?) then add them to the page when done? --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 02:51, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
::You're welcome to chop up by above comment for organisational purposes. [[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 03:00, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
:::Okay, I'll write as though it's the answer, anyone should feel free to overwrite and improve. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 03:29, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
See also [[f:WF:NOT]]. — [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:30, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
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== Correcting common misconceptions, possibly needs a separate page AW:NOT ==
Inspired by [[meta:Requests for comment/The future of Abstract Wikipedia]] and the comments on it. Here are some misconceptions I've drawn out from the subtext (plus a couple extra I heard from Wikimania participants):
* AW has been going for 6 years and has little to show for it!
*: {{SITENAME}} launched for public contributions on {{#formatdate:2026-03-19|ISO 8601}}. Due to the complexity of the project compared to a traditional wikitext wiki, there will be significantly more time before substantial content is on this platform. The bulk of the work is happening at Wikifunctions, where the community is creating and translating new functions. And Wikifunctions itself wasn't able to handle Lexemes until {{#formatdate:2024-10-25|ISO 8601}}.
* After a collaboration between Google.org and the AW team in 2022, the outgoing Googlers predicted AW's failure, and it's come true
* The functions used in abstract articles are deprecated / known to be untranslatable in certain languages
*: That will continue to happen (see [section re: deprecation]), and it's not a huge problem. Wikidata uses deprecated properties a lot, and other wikis are full of deprecated templates and article message boxes. When a limitation is discovered in an <abbr title="natural language generation">NLG</abbr> function, it should absolutely be deprecated and replaced with a better one, but the old function can remain in place in the meantime and be useful in the languages where it was working.
* Turning each statement on a Wikidata Item into a sentence will not result in a useful article; why not build a reader mode for Wikidata?
* I clicked Special:Random and all I got was two sentences and a picture...
*: Yes, most articles in any edition aren't as complete or high-quality as the best articles. Like regular wiki articles, abstract articles can be improved by editing.
* I found an article which is grammatically sound but factually inaccurate! I thought these were backed by Wikidata?
*: Wikidata [[wikidata:Wikidata:General disclaimer|has no guarantee of validity]], as does every other Wikimedia project. If there is an issue with Wikidata, you're encouraged to [[wikidata:Help:Items#Editing_an_item_page|contribute and correct the error]]! Changes will take a while to propagate through the various caches. It may also be that Wikidata was already correct, but it's represented using a combination of [[d:Help:Q|qualifiers]] which the functions don't recognise. Contributions there are also welcome!
* This output is far from fluent English, and in some places it's ungrammatical; how is this useful to enwp?
*: The English Wikipedia has a broad base of contributors, who could correct disfluencies. This isn't true for all language editions, but even a stub can help start out an eventual quality article.
* If abstract articles don't produce good English, the output in other languages must be far worse
*: At the moment this is a sound generalisation. Many of the functions to render abstract content in natural language are first configured in English. Once a function is configured in any language, the quality of prose depends on the quality and complexity of the implementation in that language.
* Some articles may be worse than others, but until they're all good, any Wikipedia would object to having AW integration enabled
*: No Wikimedia project is perfect, all suffering from low quality content to some degree. {{SITENAME}} articles work on an opt-in basis, meaning that communities, not the WMF or {{SITENAME}} editors, choose which articles to include in their wikis. For an example of this system, see [[testwiki:Special:CommunityConfiguration/AbstractWikiOptedInArticles|this special page on the Wikipedia Test wiki]]. 'Integration' in this context means that the special page is enabled on your wiki.<br>Editors will also be able to create a local article using the abstract article as a starting point, once integration is enabled, or they could use individual functions in an existing article via [[f:Wikifunctions:Embedded_function_calls|embedded function calls]].
* An abstract article can't be mapped to every language because there are huge differences in the way languages divide sentences into parts of speech (syntax)
* Other NLG projects have tried and failed to solve the problem of when to include "the" (the definite article)
* Some concepts are simply untranslatable; languages are in some way limited by culture/worldview
*: This is an idea linguists call "[[d:Q10359037|linguistic relativity]]", though historically the debate has been over whether ''worldview'' is limited by ''language''. Both that conjecture and the reverse turn out to be false in most aspects. On the idea of 'untranslatability', [[w:en:Untranslatability|enwp says]] <q>difficulty of translation does not always carry deep linguistic relativity implications; denotation [i.e. identification of concepts by words] can virtually always be translated, given enough [[d:Q1095194|circumlocution]]</q>. For example, the label of [[d:Property:P10|the Wikidata property 'video']] in {{#language:kcg}} is '<span lang="kcg">ghwughwu a̱guguut</span>' which means something like "movement of shadows".<sup>[TODO have someone confirm that, or find a better example]</sup>
* AW is trying to create an IAL / universal language
*: While IALs or areal auxlangs could be target languages, the LISP-like syntax does not itself constitute an auxiliary language. Natural language text is considered the end product of work on an abstract article.
* The foundation of AW is a model of linguistics which is discredited by the current consensus of linguists
* By accepting contributions, AW leeches volunteer man-hours from sister projects
*: We volunteers own the time we spend. If we consider it best spent here, we are obviously aligned with the aims and viability of this project. Closing it would not encourage us to contribute more. Some of us have contributed to Wikimedia projects for decades, and the variety of projects or contributions is one of the things that can help us to motivate and maintain such commitment. {{SITENAME}} relies on the content in Wikifunctions and Wikidata to produce output, so it pushes contributors to those projects.
* Volunteer time would be better spent using [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ContentTranslation Extension:ContentTranslation]
* The server resources would be better spent on training LLMs for under-resourced languages
*: Other organisations already do this, so WMF-funded machine translation development would be duplicative. Also, it isn't in the competency area of the Wikimedia movement, which is volunteer-led content. The suggestion to "just" train LLMs for all the under-resourced languages doesn't account for the scale of the problem either: At time of writing, ~250 languages are offered in Google Translate, while there are several ''thousand'' living languages.
* It was already possible to create formulaic articles from Wikidata using templates and/or modules, an entirely new system is unnecessary
*: Certainly it was possible, some Wikipedias did build systems which failed and others built systems which worked and are still in use. Like the current {{SITENAME}}, these had a high learning curve for those looking to contribute to the system, but unlike {{SITENAME}} they are all limited to their own wikis.
* If it succeeds, AW will bring about a sort of "digital neo-colonialism" in which small language communities get enwp translated into their language
*: {{SITENAME}} is a blank slate, not based on enwp. It uses (via Wikifunctions) a multilingual labelling system similar to Wikidata, enabling volunteers to translate the interface which other volunteers can then use to edit articles. We will continue working at lowering the barriers to entry, so that readers of small wikis can feel comfortable clicking <q>{{int:wikilambda-abstract-tab-edit}}</q> and sharing the knowledge which is most important to them.<br>On the subject of [[w:electronic colonialism|electronic colonialism]]: This is a significant problem for the Wikimedia movement as a whole, not just {{SITENAME}}. For example, for our language codes we use [[w:ISO 639]], originally developed by SIL Global (an organisation derived from the evangelical missionary group Summer Institute of Linguistics which has a goal of translating Christian Bibles into many languages<sup>[relevance?]</sup>). By foregrounding the volunteer editors of a target language and enabling self-governance of the individual wikis, these sociopolitical influences may be mitigated.
* When a new set of NLG functions emerges to fix the flaws of the previous set, every abstract article will need to be rewritten
* Even the most fluent machine-generated text will remain soulless compared to a human-written article, so why bother?
*: The point of writing an encyclopedia is conveying factual information, and for {{SITENAME}}, specifically in the languages where human resources are scarce; the quality of prose is a separate concern, addressed at [[abstract:WikiProject Encyclopedic Quality]]. The option of having a human write the whole article will always be there, see [section on article integration].
* Some languages have a lot of inflected forms of words; just storing them on Wikidata is hard, to say nothing of using them in Wikifunctions
* AW is an automated/machine translation service, something that everyone else is now using LLMs for
*: {{SITENAME}} does not translate between languages. It uses community-defined algorithms to transform an ''abstract'' representation of concepts into [[d:Q2568869|rich text]] in a particular written language ([[d:Q1513879|<abbr title="natural language generation">NLG</abbr>]]).<br>The reason why AW uses functions it that it gives users complete control over how content is displayed and translated. Whereas LLMs can be unpredictable, hard to properly diagnose issues, and very difficult for volunteers to fix.
* Reading AW requires running huge JavaScript blobs in your browser
*: When articles are eventually selected for display in language editions of Wikipedia, the reading experience will be similar to any other page on that wiki. The AW site is primarily designed for content development. The editor is currently a 0.5 MiB download. The site itself is also under development, so the current state does not necessarily represent a long-term ideal.
[[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 02:25, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
:Thanks, good summary. Should we prepare answers individually here (separate sections?) then add them to the page when done? --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 02:51, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
::You're welcome to chop up by above comment for organisational purposes. [[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 03:00, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
:::Okay, I'll write as though it's the answer, anyone should feel free to overwrite and improve. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 03:29, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
:re: assignment of language codes, I can see how that process was Eurocentric, but I don't see what negative impact it's had on those communities who didn't get a memorable code. They're 2- and 3-letter identifiers used mainly by machines. [[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 22:42, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
See also [[f:WF:NOT]]. — [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:30, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
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== Correcting common misconceptions, possibly needs a separate page AW:NOT ==
Inspired by [[meta:Requests for comment/The future of Abstract Wikipedia]] and the comments on it. Here are some misconceptions I've drawn out from the subtext (plus a couple extra I heard from Wikimania participants):
* AW has been going for 6 years and has little to show for it!
*: {{SITENAME}} launched for public contributions on {{#formatdate:2026-03-19|ISO 8601}}. Due to the complexity of the project compared to a traditional wikitext wiki, there will be significantly more time before substantial content is on this platform. The bulk of the work is happening at Wikifunctions, where the community is creating and translating new functions. And Wikifunctions itself wasn't able to handle Lexemes until {{#formatdate:2024-10-25|ISO 8601}}.
* After a collaboration between Google.org and the AW team in 2022, the outgoing Googlers predicted AW's failure, and it's come true
* The functions used in abstract articles are deprecated / known to be untranslatable in certain languages
*: That will continue to happen (see [section re: deprecation]), and it's not a huge problem. Wikidata uses deprecated properties a lot, and other wikis are full of deprecated templates and article message boxes. When a limitation is discovered in an <abbr title="natural language generation">NLG</abbr> function, it should absolutely be deprecated and replaced with a better one, but the old function can remain in place in the meantime and be useful in the languages where it was working.
* Turning each statement on a Wikidata Item into a sentence will not result in a useful article; why not build a reader mode for Wikidata?
* I clicked Special:Random and all I got was two sentences and a picture...
*: Yes, most articles in any edition aren't as complete or high-quality as the best articles. Like regular wiki articles, abstract articles can be improved by editing.
* I found an article which is grammatically sound but factually inaccurate! I thought these were backed by Wikidata?
*: Wikidata [[wikidata:Wikidata:General disclaimer|has no guarantee of validity]], as does every other Wikimedia project. If there is an issue with Wikidata, you're encouraged to [[wikidata:Help:Items#Editing_an_item_page|contribute and correct the error]]! Changes will take a while to propagate through the various caches. It may also be that Wikidata was already correct, but it's represented using a combination of [[d:Help:Q|qualifiers]] which the functions don't recognise. Contributions there are also welcome!
* This output is far from fluent English, and in some places it's ungrammatical; how is this useful to enwp?
*: The English Wikipedia has a broad base of contributors, who could correct disfluencies. This isn't true for all language editions, but even a stub can help start out an eventual quality article.
* If abstract articles don't produce good English, the output in other languages must be far worse
*: At the moment this is a sound generalisation. Many of the functions to render abstract content in natural language are first configured in English. Once a function is configured in any language, the quality of prose depends on the quality and complexity of the implementation in that language.
* Some articles may be worse than others, but until they're all good, any Wikipedia would object to having AW integration enabled
*: No Wikimedia project is perfect, all suffering from low quality content to some degree. {{SITENAME}} articles work on an opt-in basis, meaning that communities, not the WMF or {{SITENAME}} editors, choose which articles to include in their wikis. For an example of this system, see [[testwiki:Special:CommunityConfiguration/AbstractWikiOptedInArticles|this special page on the Wikipedia Test wiki]]. 'Integration' in this context means that the special page is enabled on your wiki.<br>Editors will also be able to create a local article using the abstract article as a starting point, once integration is enabled, or they could use individual functions in an existing article via [[f:Wikifunctions:Embedded_function_calls|embedded function calls]].
* An abstract article can't be mapped to every language because there are huge differences in the way languages divide sentences into parts of speech (syntax)
* Other NLG projects have tried and failed to solve the problem of when to include "the" (the definite article)
* Some concepts are simply untranslatable; languages are in some way limited by culture/worldview
*: This is an idea linguists call "[[d:Q10359037|linguistic relativity]]", though historically the debate has been over whether ''worldview'' is limited by ''language''. Both that conjecture and the reverse turn out to be false in most aspects. On the idea of 'untranslatability', [[w:en:Untranslatability|enwp says]] <q>difficulty of translation does not always carry deep linguistic relativity implications; denotation [i.e. identification of concepts by words] can virtually always be translated, given enough [[d:Q1095194|circumlocution]]</q>. For example, the label of [[d:Property:P10|the Wikidata property 'video']] in {{#language:kcg}} is '<span lang="kcg">ghwughwu a̱guguut</span>' which means something like "movement of shadows".<sup>[TODO have someone confirm that, or find a better example]</sup>
* AW is trying to create an IAL / universal language
*: While IALs or areal auxlangs could be target languages, the LISP-like syntax does not itself constitute an auxiliary language. Natural language text is considered the end product of work on an abstract article.
* The foundation of AW is a model of linguistics which is discredited by the current consensus of linguists
* By accepting contributions, AW leeches volunteer man-hours from sister projects
*: We volunteers own the time we spend. If we consider it best spent here, we are obviously aligned with the aims and viability of this project. Closing it would not encourage us to contribute more. Some of us have contributed to Wikimedia projects for decades, and the variety of projects or contributions is one of the things that can help us to motivate and maintain such commitment. {{SITENAME}} relies on the content in Wikifunctions and Wikidata to produce output, so it pushes contributors to those projects.
* Volunteer time would be better spent using [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ContentTranslation Extension:ContentTranslation]
* The server resources would be better spent on training LLMs for under-resourced languages
*: Other organisations already do this, so WMF-funded machine translation development would be duplicative. Also, it isn't in the competency area of the Wikimedia movement, which is volunteer-led content. The suggestion to "just" train LLMs for all the under-resourced languages doesn't account for the scale of the problem either: At time of writing, ~250 languages are offered in Google Translate, while there are several ''thousand'' living languages.
* It was already possible to create formulaic articles from Wikidata using templates and/or modules, an entirely new system is unnecessary
*: Certainly it was possible, some Wikipedias did build systems which failed and others built systems which worked and are still in use. Like the current {{SITENAME}}, these had a high learning curve for those looking to contribute to the system, but unlike {{SITENAME}} they are all limited to their own wikis.
* If it succeeds, AW will bring about a sort of "digital neo-colonialism" in which small language communities get enwp translated into their language
*: {{SITENAME}} is a blank slate, not based on enwp. It uses (via Wikifunctions) a multilingual labelling system similar to Wikidata, enabling volunteers to translate the interface which other volunteers can then use to edit articles. We will continue working at lowering the barriers to entry, so that readers of small wikis can feel comfortable clicking <q>{{int:wikilambda-abstract-tab-edit}}</q> and sharing the knowledge which is most important to them.<br>On the subject of [[w:electronic colonialism|electronic colonialism]]: This is a significant problem for the Wikimedia movement as a whole, not just {{SITENAME}}. For example, for our language codes we use [[w:ISO 639]], originally developed by SIL Global (an organisation derived from the evangelical missionary group Summer Institute of Linguistics which has a goal of translating Christian Bibles into many languages<sup>[relevance?]</sup>). By foregrounding the volunteer editors of a target language and enabling self-governance of the individual wikis, these sociopolitical influences may be mitigated.
* When a new set of NLG functions emerges to fix the flaws of the previous set, every abstract article will need to be rewritten
* Even the most fluent machine-generated text will remain soulless compared to a human-written article, so why bother?
*: The point of writing an encyclopedia is conveying factual information, and for {{SITENAME}}, specifically in the languages where human resources are scarce; the quality of prose is a separate concern, addressed at [[abstract:WikiProject Encyclopedic Quality]]. The option of having a human write the whole article will always be there, see [section on article integration].
* Some languages have a lot of inflected forms of words; just storing them on Wikidata is hard, to say nothing of using them in Wikifunctions
* AW is an automated/machine translation service, something that everyone else is now using LLMs for
*: {{SITENAME}} does not translate between languages. It uses community-defined algorithms to transform an ''abstract'' representation of concepts into [[d:Q2568869|rich text]] in a particular written language ([[d:Q1513879|<abbr title="natural language generation">NLG</abbr>]]).<br>The reason why AW uses functions it that it gives users complete control over how content is displayed and translated. Whereas LLMs can be unpredictable, hard to properly diagnose issues, and very difficult for volunteers to fix.
* Reading AW requires running huge JavaScript blobs in your browser
*: When articles are eventually selected for display in language editions of Wikipedia, the reading experience will be similar to any other page on that wiki. The AW site is primarily designed for content development. The editor is currently a 0.5 MiB download. The site itself is also under development, so the current state does not necessarily represent a long-term ideal.
[[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 02:25, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
:Thanks, good summary. Should we prepare answers individually here (separate sections?) then add them to the page when done? --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 02:51, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
::You're welcome to chop up by above comment for organisational purposes. [[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 03:00, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
:::Okay, I'll write as though it's the answer, anyone should feel free to overwrite and improve. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 03:29, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
:re: assignment of language codes, I can see how that process was Eurocentric, but I don't see what negative impact it's had on those communities who didn't get a memorable code. They're 2- and 3-letter identifiers used mainly by machines. [[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 22:42, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
::Well, it depends on what you call 'negative'. The main controversies have been about [[w:lumpers and splitters|lumping and splitting]]: <code>zh</code> encompasses a wide range of languages, whereas <code>nb</code> and <code>nn</code> are mutually-intelligible varieties of the same language. It doesn't end up being that big a deal since as you say mostly humans don't need to encounter the codes all the time, and there are ways to append the codes to make them more specific. And while WMF bases codes on ISO 639, there are custom decisions like <code>be-tarask</code>. [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 22:47, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
See also [[f:WF:NOT]]. — [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:30, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
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== Correcting common misconceptions, possibly needs a separate page AW:NOT ==
Inspired by [[meta:Requests for comment/The future of Abstract Wikipedia]] and the comments on it. Here are some misconceptions I've drawn out from the subtext (plus a couple extra I heard from Wikimania participants):
* AW has been going for 6 years and has little to show for it!
*: {{SITENAME}} launched for public contributions on {{#formatdate:2026-03-19|ISO 8601}}. Due to the complexity of the project compared to a traditional wikitext wiki, there will be significantly more time before substantial content is on this platform. The bulk of the work is happening at Wikifunctions, where the community is creating and translating new functions. And Wikifunctions itself wasn't able to handle Lexemes until {{#formatdate:2024-10-25|ISO 8601}}.
* After a collaboration between Google.org and the AW team in 2022, the outgoing Googlers predicted AW's failure, and it's come true
* The functions used in abstract articles are deprecated / known to be untranslatable in certain languages
*: That will continue to happen (see [section re: deprecation]), and it's not a huge problem. Wikidata uses deprecated properties a lot, and other wikis are full of deprecated templates and article message boxes. When a limitation is discovered in an <abbr title="natural language generation">NLG</abbr> function, it should absolutely be deprecated and replaced with a better one, but the old function can remain in place in the meantime and be useful in the languages where it was working.
* Turning each statement on a Wikidata Item into a sentence will not result in a useful article; why not build a reader mode for Wikidata?
* I clicked Special:Random and all I got was two sentences and a picture...
*: Yes, most articles in any edition aren't as complete or high-quality as the best articles. Like regular wiki articles, abstract articles can be improved by editing.
* I found an article which is grammatically sound but factually inaccurate! I thought these were backed by Wikidata?
*: Wikidata [[wikidata:Wikidata:General disclaimer|has no guarantee of validity]], as does every other Wikimedia project. If there is an issue with Wikidata, you're encouraged to [[wikidata:Help:Items#Editing_an_item_page|contribute and correct the error]]! Changes will take a while to propagate through the various caches. It may also be that Wikidata was already correct, but it's represented using a combination of [[d:Help:Q|qualifiers]] which the functions don't recognise. Contributions there are also welcome!
* This output is far from fluent English, and in some places it's ungrammatical; how is this useful to enwp?
*: The English Wikipedia has a broad base of contributors, who could correct disfluencies. This isn't true for all language editions, but even a stub can help start out an eventual quality article.
* If abstract articles don't produce good English, the output in other languages must be far worse
*: At the moment this is a sound generalisation. Many of the functions to render abstract content in natural language are first configured in English. Once a function is configured in any language, the quality of prose depends on the quality and complexity of the implementation in that language.
* Some articles may be worse than others, but until they're all good, any Wikipedia would object to having AW integration enabled
*: No Wikimedia project is perfect, all suffering from low quality content to some degree. {{SITENAME}} articles work on an opt-in basis, meaning that communities, not the WMF or {{SITENAME}} editors, choose which articles to include in their wikis. For an example of this system, see [[testwiki:Special:CommunityConfiguration/AbstractWikiOptedInArticles|this special page on the Wikipedia Test wiki]]. 'Integration' in this context means that the special page is enabled on your wiki.<br>Editors will also be able to create a local article using the abstract article as a starting point, once integration is enabled, or they could use individual functions in an existing article via [[f:Wikifunctions:Embedded_function_calls|embedded function calls]].
* An abstract article can't be mapped to every language because there are huge differences in the way languages divide sentences into parts of speech (syntax)
* Other NLG projects have tried and failed to solve the problem of when to include "the" (the definite article)
* Some concepts are simply untranslatable; languages are in some way limited by culture/worldview
*: This is an idea linguists call "[[d:Q10359037|linguistic relativity]]", though historically the debate has been over whether ''worldview'' is limited by ''language''. Both that conjecture and the reverse turn out to be false in most aspects. On the idea of 'untranslatability', [[w:en:Untranslatability|enwp says]] <q>difficulty of translation does not always carry deep linguistic relativity implications; denotation [i.e. identification of concepts by words] can virtually always be translated, given enough [[d:Q1095194|circumlocution]]</q>. For example, the label of [[d:Property:P10|the Wikidata property 'video']] in {{#language:kcg}} is '<span lang="kcg">ghwughwu a̱guguut</span>' which means something like "movement of shadows".<sup>[TODO have someone confirm that, or find a better example]</sup>
* AW is trying to create an IAL / universal language
*: While IALs or areal auxlangs could be target languages, the LISP-like syntax does not itself constitute an auxiliary language. Natural language text is considered the end product of work on an abstract article.
* The foundation of AW is a model of linguistics which is discredited by the current consensus of linguists
* By accepting contributions, AW leeches volunteer man-hours from sister projects
*: We volunteers own the time we spend. If we consider it best spent here, we are obviously aligned with the aims and viability of this project. Closing it would not encourage us to contribute more. Some of us have contributed to Wikimedia projects for decades, and the variety of projects or contributions is one of the things that can help us to motivate and maintain such commitment. {{SITENAME}} relies on the content in Wikifunctions and Wikidata to produce output, so it pushes contributors to those projects.
* Volunteer time would be better spent using [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ContentTranslation Extension:ContentTranslation]
* The server resources would be better spent on training LLMs for under-resourced languages
*: Other organisations already do this, so WMF-funded machine translation development would be duplicative. Also, it isn't in the competency area of the Wikimedia movement, which is volunteer-led content. The suggestion to "just" train LLMs for all the under-resourced languages doesn't account for the scale of the problem either: At time of writing, ~250 languages are offered in Google Translate, while there are several ''thousand'' living languages.
* It was already possible to create formulaic articles from Wikidata using templates and/or modules, an entirely new system is unnecessary
*: Certainly it was possible, some Wikipedias did build systems which failed and others built systems which worked and are still in use. Like the current {{SITENAME}}, these had a high learning curve for those looking to contribute to the system, but unlike {{SITENAME}} they are all limited to their own wikis.
* If it succeeds, AW will bring about a sort of "digital neo-colonialism" in which small language communities get enwp translated into their language
*: {{SITENAME}} is a blank slate, not based on enwp. It uses (via Wikifunctions) a multilingual labelling system similar to Wikidata, enabling volunteers to translate the interface which other volunteers can then use to edit articles. We will continue working at lowering the barriers to entry, so that readers of small wikis can feel comfortable clicking <q>{{int:wikilambda-abstract-tab-edit}}</q> and sharing the knowledge which is most important to them.<br>On the subject of [[w:electronic colonialism|electronic colonialism]]: This is a significant problem for the Wikimedia movement as a whole, not just {{SITENAME}}. For example, for our language codes we use [[w:ISO 639]], originally developed by SIL Global (an organisation derived from the evangelical missionary group Summer Institute of Linguistics which has a goal of translating Christian Bibles into many languages<sup>[relevance?]</sup>). By foregrounding the volunteer editors of a target language and enabling self-governance of the individual wikis, these sociopolitical influences may be mitigated.
* When a new set of NLG functions emerges to fix the flaws of the previous set, every abstract article will need to be rewritten
* Even the most fluent machine-generated text will remain soulless compared to a human-written article, so why bother?
*: The point of writing an encyclopedia is conveying factual information, and for {{SITENAME}}, specifically in the languages where human resources are scarce; the quality of prose is a separate concern, addressed at [[abstract:WikiProject Encyclopedic Quality]]. The option of having a human write the whole article will always be there, see [section on article integration].
* Some languages have a lot of inflected forms of words; just storing them on Wikidata is hard, to say nothing of using them in Wikifunctions
* AW is an automated/machine translation service, something that everyone else is now using LLMs for
*: {{SITENAME}} does not translate between languages. It uses community-defined algorithms to transform an ''abstract'' representation of concepts into [[d:Q2568869|rich text]] in a particular written language ([[d:Q1513879|<abbr title="natural language generation">NLG</abbr>]]).<br>The reason why AW uses functions it that it gives users complete control over how content is displayed and translated. Whereas LLMs can be unpredictable, hard to properly diagnose issues, and very difficult for volunteers to fix.
* Reading AW requires running huge JavaScript blobs in your browser
*: When articles are eventually selected for display in language editions of Wikipedia, the reading experience will be similar to any other page on that wiki. The AW site is primarily designed for content development. The editor is currently a 0.5 MiB download. The site itself is also under development, so the current state does not necessarily represent a long-term ideal.
[[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 02:25, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
:Thanks, good summary. Should we prepare answers individually here (separate sections?) then add them to the page when done? --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 02:51, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
::You're welcome to chop up by above comment for organisational purposes. [[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 03:00, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
:::Okay, I'll write as though it's the answer, anyone should feel free to overwrite and improve. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 03:29, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
:re: assignment of language codes, I can see how that process was Eurocentric, but I don't see what negative impact it's had on those communities who didn't get a memorable code. They're 2- and 3-letter identifiers used mainly by machines. [[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 22:42, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
::Well, it depends on what you call 'negative'. The main controversies have been about [[w:lumpers and splitters|lumping and splitting]]: <code>zh</code> encompasses a wide range of languages, whereas <code>nb</code> and <code>nn</code> are mutually-intelligible varieties of the same language. It doesn't end up being that big a deal since as you say mostly humans don't need to encounter the codes all the time, and there are ways to append the codes to make them more specific. And while WMF bases codes on ISO 639, there are custom decisions like <code>be-tarask</code>. Meanwhile, Abstract Wikipedia uses Wikifunctions identifiers, which are yet a third system. — [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 22:47, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
See also [[f:WF:NOT]]. — [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:30, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
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== Correcting common misconceptions, possibly needs a separate page AW:NOT ==
Inspired by [[meta:Requests for comment/The future of Abstract Wikipedia]] and the comments on it. Here are some misconceptions I've drawn out from the subtext (plus a couple extra I heard from Wikimania participants):
* AW has been going for 6 years and has little to show for it!
*: {{SITENAME}} launched for public contributions on {{#formatdate:2026-03-19|ISO 8601}}. Due to the complexity of the project compared to a traditional wikitext wiki, there will be significantly more time before substantial content is on this platform. The bulk of the work is happening at Wikifunctions, where the community is creating and translating new functions. And Wikifunctions itself wasn't able to handle Lexemes until {{#formatdate:2024-10-25|ISO 8601}}.
* After a collaboration between Google.org and the AW team in 2022, the outgoing Googlers predicted AW's failure, and it's come true
* The functions used in abstract articles are deprecated / known to be untranslatable in certain languages
*: That will continue to happen (see [section re: deprecation]), and it's not a huge problem. Wikidata uses deprecated properties a lot, and other wikis are full of deprecated templates and article message boxes. When a limitation is discovered in an <abbr title="natural language generation">NLG</abbr> function, it should absolutely be deprecated and replaced with a better one, but the old function can remain in place in the meantime and be useful in the languages where it was working.
* Turning each statement on a Wikidata Item into a sentence will not result in a useful article; why not build a reader mode for Wikidata?
* I clicked Special:Random and all I got was two sentences and a picture...
*: Yes, most articles in any edition aren't as complete or high-quality as the best articles. Like regular wiki articles, abstract articles can be improved by editing.
* I found an article which is grammatically sound but factually inaccurate! I thought these were backed by Wikidata?
*: Wikidata [[wikidata:Wikidata:General disclaimer|has no guarantee of validity]], as does every other Wikimedia project. If there is an issue with Wikidata, you're encouraged to [[wikidata:Help:Items#Editing_an_item_page|contribute and correct the error]]! Changes will take a while to propagate through the various caches. It may also be that Wikidata was already correct, but it's represented using a combination of [[d:Help:Q|qualifiers]] which the functions don't recognise. Contributions there are also welcome!
* This output is far from fluent English, and in some places it's ungrammatical; how is this useful to enwp?
*: First of all, being useful to the English Wikipedia is not one of the project's goals. enwp has a large base of contributors who write many articles in fluent English. This isn't true for all language editions, where even something that would be considered a stub on enwp can be valued because there would otherwise be nothing at all. And finally, when the output in English (or any other language) is stilted, you can go to Wikifunctions and fix it!
* If abstract articles don't produce good English, the output in other languages must be far worse
*: At the moment this is a sound generalisation. Many of the functions to render abstract content in natural language are first configured in English. Once a function is configured in any language, the quality of prose depends on the quality and complexity of the implementation in that language.
* Some articles may be worse than others, but until they're all good, any Wikipedia would object to having AW integration enabled
*: No Wikimedia project is perfect, all suffering from low quality content to some degree. {{SITENAME}} articles work on an opt-in basis, meaning that communities, not the WMF or {{SITENAME}} editors, choose which articles to include in their wikis. For an example of this system, see [[testwiki:Special:CommunityConfiguration/AbstractWikiOptedInArticles|this special page on the Wikipedia Test wiki]]. 'Integration' in this context means that the special page is enabled on your wiki.<br>Editors will also be able to create a local article using the abstract article as a starting point, once integration is enabled, or they could use individual functions in an existing article via [[f:Wikifunctions:Embedded_function_calls|embedded function calls]].
* An abstract article can't be mapped to every language because there are huge differences in the way languages divide sentences into parts of speech (syntax)
* Other NLG projects have tried and failed to solve the problem of when to include "the" (the definite article)
* Some concepts are simply untranslatable; languages are in some way limited by culture/worldview
*: This is an idea linguists call "[[d:Q10359037|linguistic relativity]]", though historically the debate has been over whether ''worldview'' is limited by ''language''. Both that conjecture and the reverse turn out to be false in most aspects. On the idea of 'untranslatability', [[w:en:Untranslatability|enwp says]] <q>difficulty of translation does not always carry deep linguistic relativity implications; denotation [i.e. identification of concepts by words] can virtually always be translated, given enough [[d:Q1095194|circumlocution]]</q>. For example, the label of [[d:Property:P10|the Wikidata property 'video']] in {{#language:kcg}} is '<span lang="kcg">ghwughwu a̱guguut</span>' which means something like "movement of shadows".<sup>[TODO have someone confirm that, or find a better example]</sup>
* AW is trying to create an IAL / universal language
*: While IALs or areal auxlangs could be target languages, the LISP-like syntax does not itself constitute an auxiliary language. Natural language text is considered the end product of work on an abstract article.
* The foundation of AW is a model of linguistics which is discredited by the current consensus of linguists
* By accepting contributions, AW leeches volunteer man-hours from sister projects
*: We volunteers own the time we spend. If we consider it best spent here, we are obviously aligned with the aims and viability of this project. Closing it would not encourage us to contribute more. Some of us have contributed to Wikimedia projects for decades, and the variety of projects or contributions is one of the things that can help us to motivate and maintain such commitment. {{SITENAME}} relies on the content in Wikifunctions and Wikidata to produce output, so it pushes contributors to those projects.
* Volunteer time would be better spent using [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ContentTranslation Extension:ContentTranslation]
* The server resources would be better spent on training LLMs for under-resourced languages
*: Other organisations already do this, so WMF-funded machine translation development would be duplicative. Also, it isn't in the competency area of the Wikimedia movement, which is volunteer-led content. The suggestion to "just" train LLMs for all the under-resourced languages doesn't account for the scale of the problem either: At time of writing, ~250 languages are offered in Google Translate, while there are several ''thousand'' living languages.
* It was already possible to create formulaic articles from Wikidata using templates and/or modules, an entirely new system is unnecessary
*: Certainly it was possible, some Wikipedias did build systems which failed and others built systems which worked and are still in use. Like the current {{SITENAME}}, these had a high learning curve for those looking to contribute to the system, but unlike {{SITENAME}} they are all limited to their own wikis.
* If it succeeds, AW will bring about a sort of "digital neo-colonialism" in which small language communities get enwp translated into their language
*: {{SITENAME}} is a blank slate, not based on enwp. It uses (via Wikifunctions) a multilingual labelling system similar to Wikidata, enabling volunteers to translate the interface which other volunteers can then use to edit articles. We will continue working at lowering the barriers to entry, so that readers of small wikis can feel comfortable clicking <q>{{int:wikilambda-abstract-tab-edit}}</q> and sharing the knowledge which is most important to them.<br>On the subject of [[w:electronic colonialism|electronic colonialism]]: This is a significant problem for the Wikimedia movement as a whole, not just {{SITENAME}}. For example, for our language codes we use [[w:ISO 639]], originally developed by SIL Global (an organisation derived from the evangelical missionary group Summer Institute of Linguistics which has a goal of translating Christian Bibles into many languages<sup>[relevance?]</sup>). By foregrounding the volunteer editors of a target language and enabling self-governance of the individual wikis, these sociopolitical influences may be mitigated.
* When a new set of NLG functions emerges to fix the flaws of the previous set, every abstract article will need to be rewritten
* Even the most fluent machine-generated text will remain soulless compared to a human-written article, so why bother?
*: The point of writing an encyclopedia is conveying factual information, and for {{SITENAME}}, specifically in the languages where human resources are scarce; the quality of prose is a separate concern, addressed at [[abstract:WikiProject Encyclopedic Quality]]. The option of having a human write the whole article will always be there, see [section on article integration].
* Some languages have a lot of inflected forms of words; just storing them on Wikidata is hard, to say nothing of using them in Wikifunctions
* AW is an automated/machine translation service, something that everyone else is now using LLMs for
*: {{SITENAME}} does not translate between languages. It uses community-defined algorithms to transform an ''abstract'' representation of concepts into [[d:Q2568869|rich text]] in a particular written language ([[d:Q1513879|<abbr title="natural language generation">NLG</abbr>]]).<br>The reason why AW uses functions it that it gives users complete control over how content is displayed and translated. Whereas LLMs can be unpredictable, hard to properly diagnose issues, and very difficult for volunteers to fix.
* Reading AW requires running huge JavaScript blobs in your browser
*: When articles are eventually selected for display in language editions of Wikipedia, the reading experience will be similar to any other page on that wiki. The AW site is primarily designed for content development. The editor is currently a 0.5 MiB download. The site itself is also under development, so the current state does not necessarily represent a long-term ideal.
[[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 02:25, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
:Thanks, good summary. Should we prepare answers individually here (separate sections?) then add them to the page when done? --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 02:51, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
::You're welcome to chop up by above comment for organisational purposes. [[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 03:00, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
:::Okay, I'll write as though it's the answer, anyone should feel free to overwrite and improve. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 03:29, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
:re: assignment of language codes, I can see how that process was Eurocentric, but I don't see what negative impact it's had on those communities who didn't get a memorable code. They're 2- and 3-letter identifiers used mainly by machines. [[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 22:42, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
::Well, it depends on what you call 'negative'. The main controversies have been about [[w:lumpers and splitters|lumping and splitting]]: <code>zh</code> encompasses a wide range of languages, whereas <code>nb</code> and <code>nn</code> are mutually-intelligible varieties of the same language. It doesn't end up being that big a deal since as you say mostly humans don't need to encounter the codes all the time, and there are ways to append the codes to make them more specific. And while WMF bases codes on ISO 639, there are custom decisions like <code>be-tarask</code>. Meanwhile, Abstract Wikipedia uses Wikifunctions identifiers, which are yet a third system. — [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 22:47, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
See also [[f:WF:NOT]]. — [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:30, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
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== Correcting common misconceptions, possibly needs a separate page AW:NOT ==
Inspired by [[meta:Requests for comment/The future of Abstract Wikipedia]] and the comments on it. Here are some misconceptions I've drawn out from the subtext (plus a couple extra I heard from Wikimania participants):
* AW has been going for 6 years and has little to show for it!
*: {{SITENAME}} launched for public contributions on {{#formatdate:2026-03-19|ISO 8601}}. Due to the complexity of the project compared to a traditional wikitext wiki, there will be significantly more time before substantial content is on this platform. The bulk of the work is happening at Wikifunctions, where the community is creating and translating new functions. And Wikifunctions itself wasn't able to handle Lexemes until {{#formatdate:2024-10-25|ISO 8601}}.
* After a collaboration between Google.org and the AW team in 2022, the outgoing Googlers predicted AW's failure, and it's come true
*: The Googlers' criticisms were mostly predicated on the idea that {{SITENAME}} should be a monolith encompassing the NLG infrastructure as well as all the articles. The WMF decided it was worth building Wikifunctions first, so that it could attract its own community and become [[f:WF:NOT#Wikifunctions_is_not_(only)_the_boiler_room_for_Abstract_Wikipedia|a valuable project in its own right]].
* The functions used in abstract articles are deprecated / known to be untranslatable in certain languages
*: That will continue to happen (see [section re: deprecation]), and it's not a huge problem. Wikidata uses deprecated properties a lot, and other wikis are full of deprecated templates and article message boxes. When a limitation is discovered in an <abbr title="natural language generation">NLG</abbr> function, it should absolutely be deprecated and replaced with a better one, but the old function can remain in place in the meantime and be useful in the languages where it was working.
* Turning each statement on a Wikidata Item into a sentence will not result in a useful article; why not build a reader mode for Wikidata?
* I clicked Special:Random and all I got was two sentences and a picture...
*: Yes, most articles in any edition aren't as complete or high-quality as the best articles. Like regular wiki articles, abstract articles can be improved by editing.
* I found an article which is grammatically sound but factually inaccurate! I thought these were backed by Wikidata?
*: Wikidata [[wikidata:Wikidata:General disclaimer|has no guarantee of validity]], as does every other Wikimedia project. If there is an issue with Wikidata, you're encouraged to [[wikidata:Help:Items#Editing_an_item_page|contribute and correct the error]]! Changes will take a while to propagate through the various caches. It may also be that Wikidata was already correct, but it's represented using a combination of [[d:Help:Q|qualifiers]] which the functions don't recognise. Contributions there are also welcome!
* This output is far from fluent English, and in some places it's ungrammatical; how is this useful to enwp?
*: First of all, being useful to the English Wikipedia is not one of the project's goals. enwp has a large base of contributors who write many articles in fluent English. This isn't true for all language editions, where even something that would be considered a stub on enwp can be valued because there would otherwise be nothing at all. And finally, when the output in English (or any other language) is stilted, you can go to Wikifunctions and fix it!
* If abstract articles don't produce good English, the output in other languages must be far worse
*: At the moment this is a sound generalisation. Many of the functions to render abstract content in natural language are first configured in English. Once a function is configured in any language, the quality of prose depends on the quality and complexity of the implementation in that language.
* Some articles may be worse than others, but until they're all good, any Wikipedia would object to having AW integration enabled
*: No Wikimedia project is perfect, all suffering from low quality content to some degree. {{SITENAME}} articles work on an opt-in basis, meaning that communities, not the WMF or {{SITENAME}} editors, choose which articles to include in their wikis. For an example of this system, see [[testwiki:Special:CommunityConfiguration/AbstractWikiOptedInArticles|this special page on the Wikipedia Test wiki]]. 'Integration' in this context means that the special page is enabled on your wiki.<br>Editors will also be able to create a local article using the abstract article as a starting point, once integration is enabled, or they could use individual functions in an existing article via [[f:Wikifunctions:Embedded_function_calls|embedded function calls]].
* An abstract article can't be mapped to every language because there are huge differences in the way languages divide sentences into parts of speech (syntax)
* Other NLG projects have tried and failed to solve the problem of when to include "the" (the definite article)
* Some concepts are simply untranslatable; languages are in some way limited by culture/worldview
*: This is an idea linguists call "[[d:Q10359037|linguistic relativity]]", though historically the debate has been over whether ''worldview'' is limited by ''language''. Both that conjecture and the reverse turn out to be false in most aspects. On the idea of 'untranslatability', [[w:en:Untranslatability|enwp says]] <q>difficulty of translation does not always carry deep linguistic relativity implications; denotation [i.e. identification of concepts by words] can virtually always be translated, given enough [[d:Q1095194|circumlocution]]</q>. For example, the label of [[d:Property:P10|the Wikidata property 'video']] in {{#language:kcg}} is '<span lang="kcg">ghwughwu a̱guguut</span>' which means something like "movement of shadows".<sup>[TODO have someone confirm that, or find a better example]</sup>
* AW is trying to create an IAL / universal language
*: While IALs or areal auxlangs could be target languages, the LISP-like syntax does not itself constitute an auxiliary language. Natural language text is considered the end product of work on an abstract article.
* The foundation of AW is a model of linguistics which is discredited by the current consensus of linguists
* By accepting contributions, AW leeches volunteer man-hours from sister projects
*: We volunteers own the time we spend. If we consider it best spent here, we are obviously aligned with the aims and viability of this project. Closing it would not encourage us to contribute more. Some of us have contributed to Wikimedia projects for decades, and the variety of projects or contributions is one of the things that can help us to motivate and maintain such commitment. {{SITENAME}} relies on the content in Wikifunctions and Wikidata to produce output, so it pushes contributors to those projects.
* Volunteer time would be better spent using [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ContentTranslation Extension:ContentTranslation]
* The server resources would be better spent on training LLMs for under-resourced languages
*: Other organisations already do this, so WMF-funded machine translation development would be duplicative. Also, it isn't in the competency area of the Wikimedia movement, which is volunteer-led content. The suggestion to "just" train LLMs for all the under-resourced languages doesn't account for the scale of the problem either: At time of writing, ~250 languages are offered in Google Translate, while there are several ''thousand'' living languages.
* It was already possible to create formulaic articles from Wikidata using templates and/or modules, an entirely new system is unnecessary
*: Certainly it was possible, some Wikipedias did build systems which failed and others built systems which worked and are still in use. Like the current {{SITENAME}}, these had a high learning curve for those looking to contribute to the system, but unlike {{SITENAME}} they are all limited to their own wikis.
* If it succeeds, AW will bring about a sort of "digital neo-colonialism" in which small language communities get enwp translated into their language
*: {{SITENAME}} is a blank slate, not based on enwp. It uses (via Wikifunctions) a multilingual labelling system similar to Wikidata, enabling volunteers to translate the interface which other volunteers can then use to edit articles. We will continue working at lowering the barriers to entry, so that readers of small wikis can feel comfortable clicking <q>{{int:wikilambda-abstract-tab-edit}}</q> and sharing the knowledge which is most important to them.<br>On the subject of [[w:electronic colonialism|electronic colonialism]]: This is a significant problem for the Wikimedia movement as a whole, not just {{SITENAME}}. For example, for our language codes we use [[w:ISO 639]], originally developed by SIL Global (an organisation derived from the evangelical missionary group Summer Institute of Linguistics which has a goal of translating Christian Bibles into many languages<sup>[relevance?]</sup>). By foregrounding the volunteer editors of a target language and enabling self-governance of the individual wikis, these sociopolitical influences may be mitigated.
* When a new set of NLG functions emerges to fix the flaws of the previous set, every abstract article will need to be rewritten
* Even the most fluent machine-generated text will remain soulless compared to a human-written article, so why bother?
*: The point of writing an encyclopedia is conveying factual information, and for {{SITENAME}}, specifically in the languages where human resources are scarce; the quality of prose is a separate concern, addressed at [[abstract:WikiProject Encyclopedic Quality]]. The option of having a human write the whole article will always be there, see [section on article integration].
* Some languages have a lot of inflected forms of words; just storing them on Wikidata is hard, to say nothing of using them in Wikifunctions
* AW is an automated/machine translation service, something that everyone else is now using LLMs for
*: {{SITENAME}} does not translate between languages. It uses community-defined algorithms to transform an ''abstract'' representation of concepts into [[d:Q2568869|rich text]] in a particular written language ([[d:Q1513879|<abbr title="natural language generation">NLG</abbr>]]).<br>The reason why AW uses functions it that it gives users complete control over how content is displayed and translated. Whereas LLMs can be unpredictable, hard to properly diagnose issues, and very difficult for volunteers to fix.
* Reading AW requires running huge JavaScript blobs in your browser
*: When articles are eventually selected for display in language editions of Wikipedia, the reading experience will be similar to any other page on that wiki. The AW site is primarily designed for content development. The editor is currently a 0.5 MiB download. The site itself is also under development, so the current state does not necessarily represent a long-term ideal.
[[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 02:25, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
:Thanks, good summary. Should we prepare answers individually here (separate sections?) then add them to the page when done? --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 02:51, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
::You're welcome to chop up by above comment for organisational purposes. [[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 03:00, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
:::Okay, I'll write as though it's the answer, anyone should feel free to overwrite and improve. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 03:29, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
:re: assignment of language codes, I can see how that process was Eurocentric, but I don't see what negative impact it's had on those communities who didn't get a memorable code. They're 2- and 3-letter identifiers used mainly by machines. [[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 22:42, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
::Well, it depends on what you call 'negative'. The main controversies have been about [[w:lumpers and splitters|lumping and splitting]]: <code>zh</code> encompasses a wide range of languages, whereas <code>nb</code> and <code>nn</code> are mutually-intelligible varieties of the same language. It doesn't end up being that big a deal since as you say mostly humans don't need to encounter the codes all the time, and there are ways to append the codes to make them more specific. And while WMF bases codes on ISO 639, there are custom decisions like <code>be-tarask</code>. Meanwhile, Abstract Wikipedia uses Wikifunctions identifiers, which are yet a third system. — [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 22:47, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
See also [[f:WF:NOT]]. — [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:30, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
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==What is Abstract Wikipedia?==
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Abstract Wikipedia is a new sister project of Wikipedia.
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Wikipedia's vision is a world in which everyone has access to the sum of all knowledge. Abstract Wikipedia will help the communities of volunteers contributing to Wikipedia and its related projects to more effectively close knowledge gaps.
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Wikipedia has articles about more than 20 million topics in more than 300 languages. But none of these languages alone allow access to the knowledge about these 20 million topics: English has more than seven million articles, Croatian 230,000, and Swahili 100,000. Unless you speak those languages, that knowledge is not easily available to you. And as much as machine translation has improved thanks to recent improvements in AI, it is still not at the point where it can produce translations you can trust for many language pairs.
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<div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">
Abstract Wikipedia does that without relying on AI. Each step of the way remains under human control, and is accessible and editable by the volunteers. There are no hallucinations, no inexplicable and unfixable mistakes: If anything is wrong, fixing it is just one step away, and there is full transparency about how the text has been created. It is not just a probabilistic model choosing the capital of Kenya per chance every time. It is human-curated and owned knowledge.
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==How does Abstract Wikipedia work?==
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Articles in Abstract Wikipedia are stored in a notation independent of human languages. The interface of Abstract Wikipedia allows volunteer contributors to create and maintain that language-independent notation. In a second step, this notation is being turned into text in human language. The steps required to make this happen are also created and maintained by a community of volunteers, on Wikifunctions. These steps can use the data on [[D:|Wikidata]], looking up population numbers, dates of birth, or irregular grammatical forms, which have been added to and are maintained on Wikidata by communities of volunteers.
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See [[Special:MyLanguage/Help:How to create an article|Help:How to create an article]] for a step-by-step guide.
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Let's follow one example: [[Q1033|Nigeria is the most populous country in Africa.]] In Abstract Wikipedia, this might be stored as:
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<span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">And that results in the English text</span>
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<span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">If we had chosen German, another function would be called:</span>
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<span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">And that in turn would result in the following German text:</span>
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An example with more languages can be found here.<!-- where?? -->
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Abstract Wikipedia brings together numerous communities from the Wikimedia Movement and allows them to work together. Basic lexical data and structured data about many topics from Wikidata, functions that capture the necessary computations from Wikifunctions, and images and maps from Wikimedia Commons are all tied together in Abstract Wikipedia and made available for the more than 300 language editions of Wikipedia.
</div>
<div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">
The goal of Abstract Wikipedia is to make more knowledge available to more people in more languages, and to allow volunteer editors to be more effective and work across languages, no matter what language they speak. Improvements to the knowledge will automatically propagate to the Wikipedias, errors will be spotted faster and fixed more effectively, and collaborations across languages become possible. We are tearing down the language barriers which are keeping knowledge apart.
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==Abstrakt Vikipediya nədir?==
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Abstract Wikipedia is a new sister project of Wikipedia.
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<div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">
Wikipedia's vision is a world in which everyone has access to the sum of all knowledge. Abstract Wikipedia will help the communities of volunteers contributing to Wikipedia and its related projects to more effectively close knowledge gaps.
</div>
<div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">
Wikipedia has articles about more than 20 million topics in more than 300 languages. But none of these languages alone allow access to the knowledge about these 20 million topics: English has more than seven million articles, Croatian 230,000, and Swahili 100,000. Unless you speak those languages, that knowledge is not easily available to you. And as much as machine translation has improved thanks to recent improvements in AI, it is still not at the point where it can produce translations you can trust for many language pairs.
</div>
<div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">
Abstract Wikipedia does that without relying on AI. Each step of the way remains under human control, and is accessible and editable by the volunteers. There are no hallucinations, no inexplicable and unfixable mistakes: If anything is wrong, fixing it is just one step away, and there is full transparency about how the text has been created. It is not just a probabilistic model choosing the capital of Kenya per chance every time. It is human-curated and owned knowledge.
</div>
<div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">
==How does Abstract Wikipedia work?==
</div>
<div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">
Articles in Abstract Wikipedia are stored in a notation independent of human languages. The interface of Abstract Wikipedia allows volunteer contributors to create and maintain that language-independent notation. In a second step, this notation is being turned into text in human language. The steps required to make this happen are also created and maintained by a community of volunteers, on Wikifunctions. These steps can use the data on [[D:|Wikidata]], looking up population numbers, dates of birth, or irregular grammatical forms, which have been added to and are maintained on Wikidata by communities of volunteers.
</div>
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See [[Special:MyLanguage/Help:How to create an article|Help:How to create an article]] for a step-by-step guide.
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Let's follow one example: [[Q1033|Nigeria is the most populous country in Africa.]] In Abstract Wikipedia, this might be stored as:
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<span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">Or, if we use English labels for these identifiers:</span>
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<span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">This is a call to a function on Wikifunctions. Based on the language, another function is being called. For English, we get the following function call:</span>
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<span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">And that results in the English text</span>
{{block indent|1=''"Nigeria is the most populous country in Africa."''}}
<span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">If we had chosen German, another function would be called:</span>
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<span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">And that in turn would result in the following German text:</span>
{{block indent|1=''"Nigeria ist das bevölkerungsreichste Land Afrikas."''}}
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An example with more languages can be found here.<!-- where?? -->
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Abstract Wikipedia brings together numerous communities from the Wikimedia Movement and allows them to work together. Basic lexical data and structured data about many topics from Wikidata, functions that capture the necessary computations from Wikifunctions, and images and maps from Wikimedia Commons are all tied together in Abstract Wikipedia and made available for the more than 300 language editions of Wikipedia.
</div>
<div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">
The goal of Abstract Wikipedia is to make more knowledge available to more people in more languages, and to allow volunteer editors to be more effective and work across languages, no matter what language they speak. Improvements to the knowledge will automatically propagate to the Wikipedias, errors will be spotted faster and fixed more effectively, and collaborations across languages become possible. We are tearing down the language barriers which are keeping knowledge apart.
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==Abstrakt Vikipediya nədir?==
Vikipediyanın yeni qardaş proyektidir.
<div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">
Wikipedia's vision is a world in which everyone has access to the sum of all knowledge. Abstract Wikipedia will help the communities of volunteers contributing to Wikipedia and its related projects to more effectively close knowledge gaps.
</div>
<div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">
Wikipedia has articles about more than 20 million topics in more than 300 languages. But none of these languages alone allow access to the knowledge about these 20 million topics: English has more than seven million articles, Croatian 230,000, and Swahili 100,000. Unless you speak those languages, that knowledge is not easily available to you. And as much as machine translation has improved thanks to recent improvements in AI, it is still not at the point where it can produce translations you can trust for many language pairs.
</div>
<div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">
Abstract Wikipedia does that without relying on AI. Each step of the way remains under human control, and is accessible and editable by the volunteers. There are no hallucinations, no inexplicable and unfixable mistakes: If anything is wrong, fixing it is just one step away, and there is full transparency about how the text has been created. It is not just a probabilistic model choosing the capital of Kenya per chance every time. It is human-curated and owned knowledge.
</div>
<div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">
==How does Abstract Wikipedia work?==
</div>
<div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">
Articles in Abstract Wikipedia are stored in a notation independent of human languages. The interface of Abstract Wikipedia allows volunteer contributors to create and maintain that language-independent notation. In a second step, this notation is being turned into text in human language. The steps required to make this happen are also created and maintained by a community of volunteers, on Wikifunctions. These steps can use the data on [[D:|Wikidata]], looking up population numbers, dates of birth, or irregular grammatical forms, which have been added to and are maintained on Wikidata by communities of volunteers.
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See [[Special:MyLanguage/Help:How to create an article|Help:How to create an article]] for a step-by-step guide.
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Let's follow one example: [[Q1033|Nigeria is the most populous country in Africa.]] In Abstract Wikipedia, this might be stored as:
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<span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">Or, if we use English labels for these identifiers:</span>
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<span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">This is a call to a function on Wikifunctions. Based on the language, another function is being called. For English, we get the following function call:</span>
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<span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">And that results in the English text</span>
{{block indent|1=''"Nigeria is the most populous country in Africa."''}}
<span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">If we had chosen German, another function would be called:</span>
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<span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">And that in turn would result in the following German text:</span>
{{block indent|1=''"Nigeria ist das bevölkerungsreichste Land Afrikas."''}}
<div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">
An example with more languages can be found here.<!-- where?? -->
</div>
<div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">
Abstract Wikipedia brings together numerous communities from the Wikimedia Movement and allows them to work together. Basic lexical data and structured data about many topics from Wikidata, functions that capture the necessary computations from Wikifunctions, and images and maps from Wikimedia Commons are all tied together in Abstract Wikipedia and made available for the more than 300 language editions of Wikipedia.
</div>
<div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">
The goal of Abstract Wikipedia is to make more knowledge available to more people in more languages, and to allow volunteer editors to be more effective and work across languages, no matter what language they speak. Improvements to the knowledge will automatically propagate to the Wikipedias, errors will be spotted faster and fixed more effectively, and collaborations across languages become possible. We are tearing down the language barriers which are keeping knowledge apart.
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==Abstrakt Vikipediya nədir?==
Vikipediyanın yeni qardaş proyektidir.
<div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">
Wikipedia's vision is a world in which everyone has access to the sum of all knowledge. Abstract Wikipedia will help the communities of volunteers contributing to Wikipedia and its related projects to more effectively close knowledge gaps.
</div>
<div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">
Wikipedia has articles about more than 20 million topics in more than 300 languages. But none of these languages alone allow access to the knowledge about these 20 million topics: English has more than seven million articles, Croatian 230,000, and Swahili 100,000. Unless you speak those languages, that knowledge is not easily available to you. And as much as machine translation has improved thanks to recent improvements in AI, it is still not at the point where it can produce translations you can trust for many language pairs.
</div>
<div lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">
Abstract Wikipedia does that without relying on AI. Each step of the way remains under human control, and is accessible and editable by the volunteers. There are no hallucinations, no inexplicable and unfixable mistakes: If anything is wrong, fixing it is just one step away, and there is full transparency about how the text has been created. It is not just a probabilistic model choosing the capital of Kenya per chance every time. It is human-curated and owned knowledge.
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==Abstrakt Vikipediya necə işləyir?==
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Articles in Abstract Wikipedia are stored in a notation independent of human languages. The interface of Abstract Wikipedia allows volunteer contributors to create and maintain that language-independent notation. In a second step, this notation is being turned into text in human language. The steps required to make this happen are also created and maintained by a community of volunteers, on Wikifunctions. These steps can use the data on [[D:|Wikidata]], looking up population numbers, dates of birth, or irregular grammatical forms, which have been added to and are maintained on Wikidata by communities of volunteers.
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See [[Special:MyLanguage/Help:How to create an article|Help:How to create an article]] for a step-by-step guide.
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Let's follow one example: [[Q1033|Nigeria is the most populous country in Africa.]] In Abstract Wikipedia, this might be stored as:
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<span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">Or, if we use English labels for these identifiers:</span>
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<span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">This is a call to a function on Wikifunctions. Based on the language, another function is being called. For English, we get the following function call:</span>
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<span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">If we had chosen German, another function would be called:</span>
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<span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">And that in turn would result in the following German text:</span>
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An example with more languages can be found here.<!-- where?? -->
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Abstract Wikipedia brings together numerous communities from the Wikimedia Movement and allows them to work together. Basic lexical data and structured data about many topics from Wikidata, functions that capture the necessary computations from Wikifunctions, and images and maps from Wikimedia Commons are all tied together in Abstract Wikipedia and made available for the more than 300 language editions of Wikipedia.
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The goal of Abstract Wikipedia is to make more knowledge available to more people in more languages, and to allow volunteer editors to be more effective and work across languages, no matter what language they speak. Improvements to the knowledge will automatically propagate to the Wikipedias, errors will be spotted faster and fixed more effectively, and collaborations across languages become possible. We are tearing down the language barriers which are keeping knowledge apart.
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