Abstract Wikipedia abstractwiki https://abstract.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstract_Wikipedia:Main_page MediaWiki 1.47.0-wmf.13 first-letter Media Special Talk User User talk Abstract Wikipedia Abstract Wikipedia talk File File talk MediaWiki MediaWiki talk Template Template talk Help Help talk Category Category talk TimedText TimedText talk Module Module talk Translations Translations talk 4 450 13882 13792 2026-08-01T15:53:58Z HenkvD 1447 /* Auto created articles using f:Z26955 (DO NOT USE) SPO sentence (singulars in present) */ new section 13882 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ This page is the venue to request for the deletion of pages that cannot be speedy deleted (see also [[Template:Delete]]). [[Category:Abstract Wikipedia administration]] == Scholarly articles == * [[Q67404404]] {{Q|67404404}} * [[Q50082993]] {{Q|50082993}} * [[Q68271926]] {{Q|68271926}} * [[Q114133712]] {{Q|114133712}} There is very little abstract encyclopedic content that can come out of a page about a specific, non-notable scholarly article. [[User:JJPMaster|JJP]]_{[[User talk:JJPMaster|Mas]]_{[[Special:Contributions/JJPMaster|ter]]}} ([[Q1270787|she]]/[[Q3437264|they]]) 19:07, 18 May 2026 (UTC) :We currently don't have a community-ratified definition of notability. I've tried to kick off this discussion [[Project:Notability|here]]. For now, I ask that stewards/global sysops '''wait''' until we come to a consensus on a policy. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 19:10, 18 May 2026 (UTC) ::{{ping|JJPMaster}} very interesting request. I'm not entirely sure... I would tend to agree for these papers but not all of them ({{Q|Q30249683}} exists on 16 Wikipedias for instance), so where to put the threshold between notable and non-notable? on which criteria? Anyway, I agree to ''wait'' until the community reach a consensus on what is notable on AW. Also, I'm pinging {{ping|Immanuelle}} who created these articles. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 14:13, 30 May 2026 (UTC) :::{{ping|Feeglgeef}} the notability discussion does seems to be moving, meanwhile it's seems more and more obvious that these page are not good (see the deletion request below too). Should we still wait? I don't think so anymore. Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 08:36, 19 July 2026 (UTC) :::: Sure, sounds good. [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 23:44, 19 July 2026 (UTC) *{{vd}} low quality, no response or improvement. The case for significance of these topics is not made in the articles. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 07:26, 15 July 2026 (UTC) {{done}} [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 05:27, 20 July 2026 (UTC) == [[Q6489603]] == See [[Talk:Q6489603]]. This does not work as a category, it is more an article about a category. --[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] ([[User talk:Ameisenigel|talk]]) 08:34, 31 May 2026 (UTC) : Under my [[Abstract Wikipedia:Notability|proposed notability guideline]], this would not be notable, so I {{s}} deletion [[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] ([[User talk:Feeglgeef|talk]]) 17:30, 31 May 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Ameisenigel|Ameisenigel]] @[[User:Feeglgeef|Feeglgeef]] Although the page has been deleted, I believe that the vague wording related to categories (and templates) should be clarified. Please review and improve the deletion policy to help current and future contributors better understand how categories are handled. Refer [[Abstract Wikipedia talk:Deletion policy#Categories]] [[User:Jsamwrites|John Samuel]] ([[User:Jsamwrites|talk]]) 15:07, 18 June 2026 (UTC) :{{Done|Deleted}} <span style="font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold">[[User:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">~/Bunny</span><span style="color:#2c5282">pranav</span>]]:&lt;[[User talk:Bunnypranav|<span style="color:#63b3ed">ping</span>]]&gt;</span> 14:07, 17 June 2026 (UTC) == Creations by XeNivalys == [[user:XeNivalys]] has posted several pages as part of their cross-wiki spam crusade. Please delete them all and if possible issue a block. --[[User:Bedivere|Bedivere]] ([[User talk:Bedivere|talk]]) 04:53, 9 June 2026 (UTC) :{{Done|Deleted}}. 🪶-[[User:Tanbiruzzaman|<span style="font-family:monospace;color:#006400;letter-spacing:1px;">TΛNBIRUZZΛMΛN</span>]] ([[User talk:Tanbiruzzaman|💬]]) 08:33, 9 June 2026 (UTC) == auto-created broken articles == I suggest we do a bit of a cleanup of pages that were created by a software tool, using immature functions that have been deprecated for months, that would be very annoying to clean up by hand. So I propose deletion of the following (feel free to add to this list anything that matches this description). No prejudice to re-creation if anyone wants to make them good. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 07:20, 15 July 2026 (UTC) * [[Q11378973]] * [[Q11433427]] * [[Q11395853]] * [[Q11465292]] * [[Q11467693]] * [[Q7768]] [[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 07:20, 15 July 2026 (UTC) : I thout the same, or even more: I would like to discuss if it is best to delete outdated articles. There is a lot of discussion and critique about a lot of those articles. I think in particular to articles created by @Immanuelle, that are not edited afterwards by somebody else. Those articles were a) created in mass and b) most of them with outdated functions. PS: I value the attempt of use:Immanuelle and hope to see him/her to continue on this project, now or later. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 07:44, 15 July 2026 (UTC) ::Ping [[User:Immanuelle]]. Do you mind if we heavily clean up some of your contributions? --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 08:25, 15 July 2026 (UTC) {{done}} the original set. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 12:11, 26 July 2026 (UTC) : Articles created by [[User:Immanuelle]] and not edited after creation. I would like to propose to delete these (if not already mentioned above): :*[[Q29682]] Sumiyoshi Shrine :*[[Q135040386]] Takeihakatsuno Shrine :*[[Q63471]] Omura Shrine :*[[Q65320]] Iwa Shrine :*[[Q94057]] Olive Shrine :*[[Q94317]] Kikuchi Shrine :*[[Q94760]] Kotohira-gū :*[[Q116140]] Tado Taisha :*[[Q133753]] Shiogama Shrine :*[[Q135732]] Ōagata Shrine :*[[Q137707]] Katō Shrine :*[[Q167136]] Kengun Shrine :*[[Q172253]] Amatsu Shrine :*[[Q195684]] Yahiko Shrine :*[[Q199699]] Tsurumine Hachiman Shrine :*[[Q211522]] Sannō Shrine :*[[Q246469]] Wakasa Shrine :*[[Q246479]] Ikoma Shrine :*[[Q246667]] Hakuto Shrine :*[[Q251160]] Ōgamiyama Shrine :*[[Q251682]] Yūtoku Inari Shrine :*[[Q276779]] Kifune Shrine :*[[Q276830]] Seimei Shrine :*[[Q276831]] Mitami Shrine :*[[Q283483]] Kanō Tenmangū :*[[Q288248]] Tokorozawa Shinmei Shrine :*[[Q703904]] Oyamazumi Shrine :*[[Q704219]] Terukuni Shrine :*[[Q704430]] Udo Jingū :*[[Q704622]] Kirishima Jingū :*[[Q704636]] Naminoue Shrine :*[[Q704686]] Miyazaki Jingū :*[[Q704702]] Shirayama Hime Shrine :*[[Q704855]] Hōkoku Shrine :*[[Q704865]] Hida Ichinomiya Minashi Shrine :*[[Q704876]] Kasama Inari Shrine :*[[Q704890]] Tosa Shrine :*[[Q704898]] Hōfu Tenmangū :*[[Q705136]] Tsushima Shrine :*[[Q705297]] Nishinomiya Shrine :*[[Q705303]] Shirahige Shrine :*[[Q705310]] Hakone Shrine :*[[Q705542]] Ōmiwa Shrine :*[[Q706499]] Kashima Jingū :*[[Q11360548]] Kamitakano Shrine :*[[Q11360577]] Shimonaka Hachiman :*[[Q11360668]] Shimohara-hachiman Shrine :*[[Q11360748]] Shimomasuda Shrine :*[[Q11360904]] Shimogoryō Shrine :*[[Q11361253]] Shimoshinmei Tenso Shrine :*[[Q11361494]] Shimodate Haguro Shrine :*[[Q11361528]] Shimoshiotsu Shrine :*[[Q11361819]] Fuba-hachimangu :*<s>[[Q23548]] National Aeronautics and Space Administration</s> Updated recently :*[[Q11691]] stock exchange :*<s>[[Q42274]] Google Earth</s> Updated recently :*[[Q80228]] bottle :*[[Q173799]] entertainment :*<s>[[Q18123741]] infectious disease</s> Updated recently :*[[Q16550]] Breithorn 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:*[[Q118876059]] Claude :*[[Q116758847]] Anthropic :*[[Q112508731]] Blake Lemoine : [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 10:18, 18 July 2026 (UTC) ::Some are okay. I clicked on two, and IMO both should be kept: [[Q188]] German, [[Q3503]] Congo (River). So I think we need to go through them not just mass delete. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 11:13, 18 July 2026 (UTC) :::Those 2 are only one sentence, are using a conversion from string or monolingual text to HTML and are therefor not good to be used as example. I think it is better to delete them. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 15:15, 18 July 2026 (UTC) :::I'd be happy to hear other opinions on this kind of short stub with older functions. For now I'll concentrate on deleting those that don't even meet that level of viability. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 03:07, 27 July 2026 (UTC) ::::Unless if they are update and improve very soon, I also think it's better to delete them quickly (obviously with no prejudice to recreation): they don't bring anything and they give a very unfaithful representation of what AW is (especially now with the RFC or the Wikimania, where many people were telling me things along the line of "oh so it's a tool to make one or two - bad - sentences"...). Cheers, [[User:VIGNERON|VIGNERON]] ([[User talk:VIGNERON|talk]]) 09:06, 27 July 2026 (UTC) :::::I marked the articles that have been update recently, so they slould not be deleted as part of this request. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 09:40, 27 July 2026 (UTC) ::::::There are also some lists articles that have been edited twice: ::::::* [[Q11622280]] ::::::* [[Q11611527]] ::::::* [[Q11381490]] ::::::* [[Q11453224]] ::::::* [[Q11387367]] ::::::* [[Q11611572]] ::::::[[User:Autom|Autom]] ([[User talk:Autom|talk]]) 18:25, 27 July 2026 (UTC) :::::::Do you mean "to be deleted as well"? [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 21:00, 27 July 2026 (UTC) == Articles created by User:BigKrow == Articles created by @[[User:BigKrow|BigKrow]] do not have any substance: [[Q668755]] Bob Burnquist, [[Q37492190]] Musty and [[Q267298]] battery. [[User:HenkvD|HenkvD]] ([[User talk:HenkvD|talk]]) 15:15, 30 July 2026 (UTC) == Test article == [[Q27318]], literally named test, but using QID for tests/exams. No useful content. [[User:Feedmepaperr|Feedmepaperr]] ([[User talk:Feedmepaperr|talk]]) 02:23, 31 July 2026 (UTC) == Auto created articles using [[f:Z26955]] (DO NOT USE) SPO sentence (singulars in present) == I request that the following auto created aricles of @[[User:Immanuelle|User:Immanuelle]] using [[f:Z26955]] (DO NOT USE) SPO sentence (singulars in present) to be deleted: *[[Q9585]] Shia Islam *[[Q8474]] Suleiman the Magnificent *[[Q48744]] Samukawa Shrine *[[Q48378]] pulley *[[Q1057]] metabolism *[[Q40164]] lever *[[Q7347]] Great Lakes *[[Q656656]] tap *[[Q9134]] mythology *[[Q7925]] rain *[[Q780]] chicken *[[Q85810444]] transformer *[[Q5686]] Charles Dickens *[[Q4617]] Corbin Bleu *[[Q1048]] Julius Caesar *[[Q11032]] newspaper *[[Q8502]] mountain *[[Q5300]] central processing unit *[[Q753]] copper *[[Q7200]] Alexander Pushkin *[[Q674]] phosphorus *[[Q622664]] University of California, San Diego *[[Q11368886]] Kuge Inari Shrine *[[Q7725]] evening *[[Q666]] number of the beast *[[Q9420]] thought 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2026-08-01T16:39:16Z YoshiRulz 640 /* Correcting common misconceptions, possibly needs a separate page AW:NOT */ re: too many inflections 13883 wikitext text/x-wiki == Correcting common misconceptions, possibly needs a separate page AW:NOT == Inspired by [[meta:Requests for comment/The future of Abstract Wikipedia]] and the comments on it. Here are some misconceptions I've drawn out from the subtext (plus a couple extra I heard from Wikimania participants): * AW has been going for 6 years and has little to show for it! *: {{SITENAME}} launched for public contributions on {{#formatdate:2026-03-19|ISO 8601}}. Due to the complexity of the project compared to a traditional wikitext wiki, there will be significantly more time before substantial content is on this platform. The bulk of the work is happening at Wikifunctions, where the community is creating and translating new functions. And Wikifunctions itself wasn't able to handle Lexemes until {{#formatdate:2024-10-25|ISO 8601}}. * After a collaboration between Google.org and the AW team in 2022, the outgoing Googlers predicted AW's failure, and it's come true *: The Googlers' criticisms were mostly predicated on the idea that {{SITENAME}} should be a monolith encompassing the NLG infrastructure as well as all the articles. The WMF decided it was worth building Wikifunctions first, so that it could attract its own community and become [[f:WF:NOT#Wikifunctions_is_not_(only)_the_boiler_room_for_Abstract_Wikipedia|a valuable project in its own right]]. * The functions used in abstract articles are deprecated / known to be untranslatable in certain languages *: That will continue to happen (see [section re: deprecation]), and it's not a huge problem. Wikidata uses deprecated properties a lot, and other wikis are full of deprecated templates and article message boxes. When a limitation is discovered in an <abbr title="natural language generation">NLG</abbr> function, it should absolutely be deprecated and replaced with a better one, but the old function can remain in place in the meantime and be useful in the languages where it was working. * Turning each statement on a Wikidata Item into a sentence will not result in a useful article; why not build a reader mode for Wikidata? * I clicked Special:Random and all I got was two sentences and a picture... *: Yes, most articles in any edition aren't as complete or high-quality as the best articles. Like regular wiki articles, abstract articles can be improved by editing. * I found an article which is grammatically sound but factually inaccurate! I thought these were backed by Wikidata? *: Wikidata [[wikidata:Wikidata:General disclaimer|has no guarantee of validity]], same as every other Wikimedia project. If there is an issue with Wikidata, you're encouraged to [[wikidata:Help:Items#Editing_an_item_page|contribute and correct the error]]! Changes will take a while to propagate through the various caches. It may also be that Wikidata already had the correct information, but it's represented using a combination of [[d:Help:Q|qualifiers]] which the functions don't recognise. Contributions there are welcome too! * This output is far from fluent English, and in some places it's ungrammatical; how is this useful to enwp? *: First of all, being useful to the English Wikipedia is not one of the project's goals. enwp has a large base of contributors who write many articles in fluent English. This isn't true for all language editions, where even something that would be considered a stub on enwp can be valued because there would otherwise be nothing at all. And finally, when the output in English (or any other language) is stilted, you can go to Wikifunctions and fix it! * If abstract articles don't produce good English, the output in other languages must be far worse *: At the moment this is a sound generalisation. Many of the functions to render abstract content in natural language are first configured in English. Once a function is configured in any language, the quality of prose depends on the quality and complexity of the implementation in that language. * Some articles may be worse than others, but until they're all good, any Wikipedia would object to having AW integration enabled *: No Wikimedia project is perfect, all suffering from low quality content to some degree. {{SITENAME}} articles work on an opt-in basis, meaning that communities, not the WMF or {{SITENAME}} editors, choose which articles to include in their wikis. For an example of this system, see [[testwiki:Special:CommunityConfiguration/AbstractWikiOptedInArticles|this special page on the Wikipedia Test wiki]]. 'Integration' in this context means that the special page is enabled on your wiki.<br>Editors will also be able to create a local article using the abstract article as a starting point, once integration is enabled, or they could use individual functions in an existing article via [[f:Wikifunctions:Embedded_function_calls|embedded function calls]]. * An abstract article can't be mapped to every language because there are huge differences in the way languages divide sentences into parts of speech (syntax) * Other NLG projects have tried and failed to solve the problem of when to include "the" (the definite article) *: This idea seems to have stemmed from a misunderstanding of an anecdote in [[f:WF:Status_updates/2026-06-19|Wikifunctions' newsletter]], where one of [[d:Q5593683|<abbr title="Grammatical Framework">GF</abbr>]]'s developers is said to have called the definite article problem <q>one of the hardest puzzles they had to solve</q>. That issue of the newsletter set out the problem as it applied to WF, and [[f:Z36580|a heuristic solution]] was provided [[f:WF:Project_chat/Archive/2026/06#Wikifunctions_&_Abstract_Wikipedia_Newsletter_#253_is_out:_The_or_not_the,_this_is_(the?)_question|within a day]]. That solution is of course imperfect, but perfection was never the goal of {{SITENAME}}. * Some concepts are simply untranslatable; languages are in some way limited by culture/worldview *: This is an idea linguists call "[[d:Q10359037|linguistic relativity]]", though historically the debate has been over whether ''worldview'' is limited by ''language''. Both that conjecture and the reverse turn out to be false in most aspects. On the idea of 'untranslatability', [[w:en:Untranslatability|enwp says]] <q>difficulty of translation does not always carry deep linguistic relativity implications; denotation [i.e. identification of concepts by words] can virtually always be translated, given enough [[d:Q1095194|circumlocution]]</q>. For example, the label of [[d:Property:P10|the Wikidata property 'video']] in {{#language:kcg}} is '<span lang="kcg">ghwughwu a̱guguut</span>' which means something like "movement of shadows".^{[TODO have someone confirm that, or find a better example]} * AW is trying to create an IAL / universal language *: While IALs or areal auxlangs could be target languages, the LISP-like syntax does not itself constitute an auxiliary language. Natural language text is considered the end product of work on an abstract article. * The foundation of AW is a model of linguistics which is discredited by the current consensus of linguists *: {{SITENAME}} as a platform does not assume any particular model or theory. All the linguistic information and processing is stored in Wikidata and Wikifunctions, so even if that were the case, the foundations could be swapped out and the project salvaged. This idea may have arisen from [section re: definite article]. See also [section re: known bad functions]. * By accepting contributions, AW leeches volunteer man-hours from sister projects *: We volunteers own the time we spend. If we consider it best spent here, we are obviously aligned with the aims and viability of this project. Closing it would not encourage us to contribute more. Some of us have contributed to Wikimedia projects for decades, and the variety of projects or contributions is one of the things that can help us to motivate and maintain such commitment. {{SITENAME}} relies on the content in Wikifunctions and Wikidata to produce output, so it pushes contributors to those projects. * Volunteer time would be better spent using [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ContentTranslation Extension:ContentTranslation] *: Since article integration hasn't been rolled out yet, this is definitely true for a lone editor with the goal of making knowledge accessible to more people, and it will likely be true for a while. But if all goes well, {{SITENAME}} (or rather, Wikifunctions) will accrue the functions needed to generate text in many languages. Then that lone editor will have the choice between translating a high-quality article into one language, or converting some of it into an abstract article which is then available in many languages. * The server resources would be better spent on training LLMs for under-resourced languages *: Other organisations already do this, so WMF-funded machine translation development would be duplicative. Also, it isn't in the competency area of the Wikimedia movement, which is volunteer-led content. The suggestion to "just" train LLMs for all the under-resourced languages doesn't account for the scale of the problem either: At time of writing, ~250 languages are offered in Google Translate, while there are several ''thousand'' living languages. * It was already possible to create formulaic articles from Wikidata using templates and/or modules, an entirely new system is unnecessary *: Certainly it was possible, some Wikipedias did build systems which failed and others built systems which worked and are still in use. Like the current {{SITENAME}}, these had a high learning curve for those looking to contribute to the system, but unlike {{SITENAME}} they are all limited to their own wikis. * If it succeeds, AW will bring about a sort of "digital neo-colonialism" in which small language communities get enwp translated into their language *: {{SITENAME}} is a blank slate, not based on enwp. It uses (via Wikifunctions) a multilingual labelling system similar to Wikidata, enabling volunteers to translate the interface which other volunteers can then use to edit articles. We will continue working at lowering the barriers to entry, so that readers of small wikis can feel comfortable clicking <q>{{int:wikilambda-abstract-tab-edit}}</q> and sharing the knowledge which is most important to them.<br>On the subject of [[w:electronic colonialism|electronic colonialism]]: This is a significant problem for the Wikimedia movement as a whole, not just {{SITENAME}}. For example, for our language codes we use [[w:ISO 639]], originally developed by SIL Global (an organisation derived from the evangelical missionary group Summer Institute of Linguistics which has a goal of translating Christian Bibles into many languages^[relevance?]). By foregrounding the volunteer editors of a target language and enabling self-governance of the individual wikis, these sociopolitical influences may be mitigated. * When a new set of NLG functions emerges to fix the flaws of the previous set, every abstract article will need to be rewritten * Even the most fluent machine-generated text will remain soulless compared to a human-written article, so why bother? *: The point of writing an encyclopedia is conveying factual information, and for {{SITENAME}}, specifically in the languages where human resources are scarce; the quality of prose is a separate concern, addressed at [[abstract:WikiProject Encyclopedic Quality]]. The option of having a human write the whole article will always be there, see [section on article integration]. * Some languages have a lot of inflected forms of words; just storing them on Wikidata is hard, to say nothing of using them in Wikifunctions *: Those languages with many inflections tend to also have consistent rules for how to generate them (which makes sense when you remember that humans find rote memorisation hard, but learning patterns easy). Programmers can use those inflection rules to "compress" the list. * AW is an automated/machine translation service, something that everyone else is now using LLMs for *: {{SITENAME}} does not translate between languages. It uses community-defined algorithms to transform an ''abstract'' representation of concepts into [[d:Q2568869|rich text]] in a particular written language ([[d:Q1513879|<abbr title="natural language generation">NLG</abbr>]]).<br>The reason why AW uses functions it that it gives users complete control over how content is displayed and translated. Whereas LLMs can be unpredictable, hard to properly diagnose issues, and very difficult for volunteers to fix. * Reading AW requires running huge JavaScript blobs in your browser *: When articles are eventually selected for display in language editions of Wikipedia, the reading experience will be similar to any other page on that wiki. The AW site is primarily designed for content development. The editor is currently a 0.5 MiB download. The site itself is also under development, so the current state does not necessarily represent a long-term ideal. [[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 02:25, 28 July 2026 (UTC) :Thanks, good summary. Should we prepare answers individually here (separate sections?) then add them to the page when done? --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 02:51, 28 July 2026 (UTC) ::You're welcome to chop up by above comment for organisational purposes. [[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 03:00, 28 July 2026 (UTC) :::Okay, I'll write as though it's the answer, anyone should feel free to overwrite and improve. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 03:29, 28 July 2026 (UTC) :re: assignment of language codes, I can see how that process was Eurocentric, but I don't see what negative impact it's had on those communities who didn't get a memorable code. They're 2- and 3-letter identifiers used mainly by machines. [[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 22:42, 28 July 2026 (UTC) ::Well, it depends on what you call 'negative'. The main controversies have been about [[w:lumpers and splitters|lumping and splitting]]: <code>zh</code> encompasses a wide range of languages, whereas <code>nb</code> and <code>nn</code> are mutually-intelligible varieties of the same language. It doesn't end up being that big a deal since as you say mostly humans don't need to encounter the codes all the time, and there are ways to append the codes to make them more specific. And while WMF bases codes on ISO 639, there are custom decisions like <code>be-tarask</code>. Meanwhile, Abstract Wikipedia uses Wikifunctions identifiers, which are yet a third system. — [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 22:47, 28 July 2026 (UTC) See also [[f:WF:NOT]]. — [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:30, 28 July 2026 (UTC) gkkz9jvw07isnk9i5mqvwgirm2m5xjv 13884 13883 2026-08-01T17:07:36Z YoshiRulz 640 /* Correcting common misconceptions, possibly needs a separate page AW:NOT */ re: WD reader mode 13884 wikitext text/x-wiki == Correcting common misconceptions, possibly needs a separate page AW:NOT == Inspired by [[meta:Requests for comment/The future of Abstract Wikipedia]] and the comments on it. Here are some misconceptions I've drawn out from the subtext (plus a couple extra I heard from Wikimania participants): * AW has been going for 6 years and has little to show for it! *: {{SITENAME}} launched for public contributions on {{#formatdate:2026-03-19|ISO 8601}}. Due to the complexity of the project compared to a traditional wikitext wiki, there will be significantly more time before substantial content is on this platform. The bulk of the work is happening at Wikifunctions, where the community is creating and translating new functions. And Wikifunctions itself wasn't able to handle Lexemes until {{#formatdate:2024-10-25|ISO 8601}}. * After a collaboration between Google.org and the AW team in 2022, the outgoing Googlers predicted AW's failure, and it's come true *: The Googlers' criticisms were mostly predicated on the idea that {{SITENAME}} should be a monolith encompassing the NLG infrastructure as well as all the articles. The WMF decided it was worth building Wikifunctions first, so that it could attract its own community and become [[f:WF:NOT#Wikifunctions_is_not_(only)_the_boiler_room_for_Abstract_Wikipedia|a valuable project in its own right]]. * The functions used in abstract articles are deprecated / known to be untranslatable in certain languages *: That will continue to happen (see [section re: deprecation]), and it's not a huge problem. Wikidata uses deprecated properties a lot, and other wikis are full of deprecated templates and article message boxes. When a limitation is discovered in an <abbr title="natural language generation">NLG</abbr> function, it should absolutely be deprecated and replaced with a better one, but the old function can remain in place in the meantime and be useful in the languages where it was working. * Turning each statement on a Wikidata Item into a sentence will not result in a useful article; why not build a reader mode for Wikidata? *: There's [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/#/Q42 only so much visual flair] you can add to a list of RDF triples. If you try building it into a story, you'll have to start [https://autodesc.toolforge.org/?q=Q42&lang=en&mode=long&links=wiki&format=html introducing <abbr title="natural language generation">NLG</abbr> aspects], which brings us to {{SITENAME}}. * I clicked Special:Random and all I got was two sentences and a picture... *: Yes, most articles in any edition aren't as complete or high-quality as the best articles. Like regular wiki articles, abstract articles can be improved by editing. * I found an article which is grammatically sound but factually inaccurate! I thought these were backed by Wikidata? *: Wikidata [[wikidata:Wikidata:General disclaimer|has no guarantee of validity]], same as every other Wikimedia project. If there is an issue with Wikidata, you're encouraged to [[wikidata:Help:Items#Editing_an_item_page|contribute and correct the error]]! Changes will take a while to propagate through the various caches. It may also be that Wikidata already had the correct information, but it's represented using a combination of [[d:Help:Q|qualifiers]] which the functions don't recognise. Contributions there are welcome too! * This output is far from fluent English, and in some places it's ungrammatical; how is this useful to enwp? *: First of all, being useful to the English Wikipedia is not one of the project's goals. enwp has a large base of contributors who write many articles in fluent English. This isn't true for all language editions, where even something that would be considered a stub on enwp can be valued because there would otherwise be nothing at all. And finally, when the output in English (or any other language) is stilted, you can go to Wikifunctions and fix it! * If abstract articles don't produce good English, the output in other languages must be far worse *: At the moment this is a sound generalisation. Many of the functions to render abstract content in natural language are first configured in English. Once a function is configured in any language, the quality of prose depends on the quality and complexity of the implementation in that language. * Some articles may be worse than others, but until they're all good, any Wikipedia would object to having AW integration enabled *: No Wikimedia project is perfect, all suffering from low quality content to some degree. {{SITENAME}} articles work on an opt-in basis, meaning that communities, not the WMF or {{SITENAME}} editors, choose which articles to include in their wikis. For an example of this system, see [[testwiki:Special:CommunityConfiguration/AbstractWikiOptedInArticles|this special page on the Wikipedia Test wiki]]. 'Integration' in this context means that the special page is enabled on your wiki.<br>Editors will also be able to create a local article using the abstract article as a starting point, once integration is enabled, or they could use individual functions in an existing article via [[f:Wikifunctions:Embedded_function_calls|embedded function calls]]. * An abstract article can't be mapped to every language because there are huge differences in the way languages divide sentences into parts of speech (syntax) * Other NLG projects have tried and failed to solve the problem of when to include "the" (the definite article) *: This idea seems to have stemmed from a misunderstanding of an anecdote in [[f:WF:Status_updates/2026-06-19|Wikifunctions' newsletter]], where one of [[d:Q5593683|<abbr title="Grammatical Framework">GF</abbr>]]'s developers is said to have called the definite article problem <q>one of the hardest puzzles they had to solve</q>. That issue of the newsletter set out the problem as it applied to WF, and [[f:Z36580|a heuristic solution]] was provided [[f:WF:Project_chat/Archive/2026/06#Wikifunctions_&_Abstract_Wikipedia_Newsletter_#253_is_out:_The_or_not_the,_this_is_(the?)_question|within a day]]. That solution is of course imperfect, but perfection was never the goal of {{SITENAME}}. * Some concepts are simply untranslatable; languages are in some way limited by culture/worldview *: This is an idea linguists call "[[d:Q10359037|linguistic relativity]]", though historically the debate has been over whether ''worldview'' is limited by ''language''. Both that conjecture and the reverse turn out to be false in most aspects. On the idea of 'untranslatability', [[w:en:Untranslatability|enwp says]] <q>difficulty of translation does not always carry deep linguistic relativity implications; denotation [i.e. identification of concepts by words] can virtually always be translated, given enough [[d:Q1095194|circumlocution]]</q>. For example, the label of [[d:Property:P10|the Wikidata property 'video']] in {{#language:kcg}} is '<span lang="kcg">ghwughwu a̱guguut</span>' which means something like "movement of shadows".^{[TODO have someone confirm that, or find a better example]} * AW is trying to create an IAL / universal language *: While IALs or areal auxlangs could be target languages, the LISP-like syntax does not itself constitute an auxiliary language. Natural language text is considered the end product of work on an abstract article. * The foundation of AW is a model of linguistics which is discredited by the current consensus of linguists *: {{SITENAME}} as a platform does not assume any particular model or theory. All the linguistic information and processing is stored in Wikidata and Wikifunctions, so even if that were the case, the foundations could be swapped out and the project salvaged. This idea may have arisen from [section re: definite article]. See also [section re: known bad functions]. * By accepting contributions, AW leeches volunteer man-hours from sister projects *: We volunteers own the time we spend. If we consider it best spent here, we are obviously aligned with the aims and viability of this project. Closing it would not encourage us to contribute more. Some of us have contributed to Wikimedia projects for decades, and the variety of projects or contributions is one of the things that can help us to motivate and maintain such commitment. {{SITENAME}} relies on the content in Wikifunctions and Wikidata to produce output, so it pushes contributors to those projects. * Volunteer time would be better spent using [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ContentTranslation Extension:ContentTranslation] *: Since article integration hasn't been rolled out yet, this is definitely true for a lone editor with the goal of making knowledge accessible to more people, and it will likely be true for a while. But if all goes well, {{SITENAME}} (or rather, Wikifunctions) will accrue the functions needed to generate text in many languages. Then that lone editor will have the choice between translating a high-quality article into one language, or converting some of it into an abstract article which is then available in many languages. * The server resources would be better spent on training LLMs for under-resourced languages *: Other organisations already do this, so WMF-funded machine translation development would be duplicative. Also, it isn't in the competency area of the Wikimedia movement, which is volunteer-led content. The suggestion to "just" train LLMs for all the under-resourced languages doesn't account for the scale of the problem either: At time of writing, ~250 languages are offered in Google Translate, while there are several ''thousand'' living languages. * It was already possible to create formulaic articles from Wikidata using templates and/or modules, an entirely new system is unnecessary *: Certainly it was possible, some Wikipedias did build systems which failed and others built systems which worked and are still in use. Like the current {{SITENAME}}, these had a high learning curve for those looking to contribute to the system, but unlike {{SITENAME}} they are all limited to their own wikis. * If it succeeds, AW will bring about a sort of "digital neo-colonialism" in which small language communities get enwp translated into their language *: {{SITENAME}} is a blank slate, not based on enwp. It uses (via Wikifunctions) a multilingual labelling system similar to Wikidata, enabling volunteers to translate the interface which other volunteers can then use to edit articles. We will continue working at lowering the barriers to entry, so that readers of small wikis can feel comfortable clicking <q>{{int:wikilambda-abstract-tab-edit}}</q> and sharing the knowledge which is most important to them.<br>On the subject of [[w:electronic colonialism|electronic colonialism]]: This is a significant problem for the Wikimedia movement as a whole, not just {{SITENAME}}. For example, for our language codes we use [[w:ISO 639]], originally developed by SIL Global (an organisation derived from the evangelical missionary group Summer Institute of Linguistics which has a goal of translating Christian Bibles into many languages^[relevance?]). By foregrounding the volunteer editors of a target language and enabling self-governance of the individual wikis, these sociopolitical influences may be mitigated. * When a new set of NLG functions emerges to fix the flaws of the previous set, every abstract article will need to be rewritten * Even the most fluent machine-generated text will remain soulless compared to a human-written article, so why bother? *: The point of writing an encyclopedia is conveying factual information, and for {{SITENAME}}, specifically in the languages where human resources are scarce; the quality of prose is a separate concern, addressed at [[abstract:WikiProject Encyclopedic Quality]]. The option of having a human write the whole article will always be there, see [section on article integration]. * Some languages have a lot of inflected forms of words; just storing them on Wikidata is hard, to say nothing of using them in Wikifunctions *: Those languages with many inflections tend to also have consistent rules for how to generate them (which makes sense when you remember that humans find rote memorisation hard, but learning patterns easy). Programmers can use those inflection rules to "compress" the list. * AW is an automated/machine translation service, something that everyone else is now using LLMs for *: {{SITENAME}} does not translate between languages. It uses community-defined algorithms to transform an ''abstract'' representation of concepts into [[d:Q2568869|rich text]] in a particular written language ([[d:Q1513879|<abbr title="natural language generation">NLG</abbr>]]).<br>The reason why AW uses functions it that it gives users complete control over how content is displayed and translated. Whereas LLMs can be unpredictable, hard to properly diagnose issues, and very difficult for volunteers to fix. * Reading AW requires running huge JavaScript blobs in your browser *: When articles are eventually selected for display in language editions of Wikipedia, the reading experience will be similar to any other page on that wiki. The AW site is primarily designed for content development. The editor is currently a 0.5 MiB download. The site itself is also under development, so the current state does not necessarily represent a long-term ideal. [[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 02:25, 28 July 2026 (UTC) :Thanks, good summary. Should we prepare answers individually here (separate sections?) then add them to the page when done? --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 02:51, 28 July 2026 (UTC) ::You're welcome to chop up by above comment for organisational purposes. [[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 03:00, 28 July 2026 (UTC) :::Okay, I'll write as though it's the answer, anyone should feel free to overwrite and improve. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 03:29, 28 July 2026 (UTC) :re: assignment of language codes, I can see how that process was Eurocentric, but I don't see what negative impact it's had on those communities who didn't get a memorable code. They're 2- and 3-letter identifiers used mainly by machines. [[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 22:42, 28 July 2026 (UTC) ::Well, it depends on what you call 'negative'. The main controversies have been about [[w:lumpers and splitters|lumping and splitting]]: <code>zh</code> encompasses a wide range of languages, whereas <code>nb</code> and <code>nn</code> are mutually-intelligible varieties of the same language. It doesn't end up being that big a deal since as you say mostly humans don't need to encounter the codes all the time, and there are ways to append the codes to make them more specific. And while WMF bases codes on ISO 639, there are custom decisions like <code>be-tarask</code>. Meanwhile, Abstract Wikipedia uses Wikifunctions identifiers, which are yet a third system. — [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 22:47, 28 July 2026 (UTC) See also [[f:WF:NOT]]. — [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:30, 28 July 2026 (UTC) ojps3z9pgl0teqa1f4k0scbop0pfv5u 13886 13884 2026-08-01T17:36:00Z YoshiRulz 640 /* Correcting common misconceptions, possibly needs a separate page AW:NOT */ re: deprecation cycles 13886 wikitext text/x-wiki == Correcting common misconceptions, possibly needs a separate page AW:NOT == Inspired by [[meta:Requests for comment/The future of Abstract Wikipedia]] and the comments on it. Here are some misconceptions I've drawn out from the subtext (plus a couple extra I heard from Wikimania participants): * AW has been going for 6 years and has little to show for it! *: {{SITENAME}} launched for public contributions on {{#formatdate:2026-03-19|ISO 8601}}. Due to the complexity of the project compared to a traditional wikitext wiki, there will be significantly more time before substantial content is on this platform. The bulk of the work is happening at Wikifunctions, where the community is creating and translating new functions. And Wikifunctions itself wasn't able to handle Lexemes until {{#formatdate:2024-10-25|ISO 8601}}. * After a collaboration between Google.org and the AW team in 2022, the outgoing Googlers predicted AW's failure, and it's come true *: The Googlers' criticisms were mostly predicated on the idea that {{SITENAME}} should be a monolith encompassing the NLG infrastructure as well as all the articles. The WMF decided it was worth building Wikifunctions first, so that it could attract its own community and become [[f:WF:NOT#Wikifunctions_is_not_(only)_the_boiler_room_for_Abstract_Wikipedia|a valuable project in its own right]]. * The functions used in abstract articles are deprecated / known to be untranslatable in certain languages *: That will continue to happen (see [section re: deprecation]), and it's not a huge problem. Wikidata uses deprecated properties a lot, and other wikis are full of deprecated templates and article message boxes. When a limitation is discovered in an <abbr title="natural language generation">NLG</abbr> function, it should absolutely be deprecated and replaced with a better one, but the old function can remain in place in the meantime and be useful in the languages where it was working. * Turning each statement on a Wikidata Item into a sentence will not result in a useful article; why not build a reader mode for Wikidata? *: There's [https://reasonator.toolforge.org/#/Q42 only so much visual flair] you can add to a list of RDF triples. If you try building it into a story, you'll have to start [https://autodesc.toolforge.org/?q=Q42&lang=en&mode=long&links=wiki&format=html introducing <abbr title="natural language generation">NLG</abbr> aspects], which brings us to {{SITENAME}}. * I clicked Special:Random and all I got was two sentences and a picture... *: Yes, most articles in any edition aren't as complete or high-quality as the best articles. Like regular wiki articles, abstract articles can be improved by editing. * I found an article which is grammatically sound but factually inaccurate! I thought these were backed by Wikidata? *: Wikidata [[wikidata:Wikidata:General disclaimer|has no guarantee of validity]], same as every other Wikimedia project. If there is an issue with Wikidata, you're encouraged to [[wikidata:Help:Items#Editing_an_item_page|contribute and correct the error]]! Changes will take a while to propagate through the various caches. It may also be that Wikidata already had the correct information, but it's represented using a combination of [[d:Help:Q|qualifiers]] which the functions don't recognise. Contributions there are welcome too! * This output is far from fluent English, and in some places it's ungrammatical; how is this useful to enwp? *: First of all, being useful to the English Wikipedia is not one of the project's goals. enwp has a large base of contributors who write many articles in fluent English. This isn't true for all language editions, where even something that would be considered a stub on enwp can be valued because there would otherwise be nothing at all. And finally, when the output in English (or any other language) is stilted, you can go to Wikifunctions and fix it! * If abstract articles don't produce good English, the output in other languages must be far worse *: At the moment this is a sound generalisation. Many of the functions to render abstract content in natural language are first configured in English. Once a function is configured in any language, the quality of prose depends on the quality and complexity of the implementation in that language. * Some articles may be worse than others, but until they're all good, any Wikipedia would object to having AW integration enabled *: No Wikimedia project is perfect, all suffering from low quality content to some degree. {{SITENAME}} articles work on an opt-in basis, meaning that communities, not the WMF or {{SITENAME}} editors, choose which articles to include in their wikis. For an example of this system, see [[testwiki:Special:CommunityConfiguration/AbstractWikiOptedInArticles|this special page on the Wikipedia Test wiki]]. 'Integration' in this context means that the special page is enabled on your wiki.<br>Editors will also be able to create a local article using the abstract article as a starting point, once integration is enabled, or they could use individual functions in an existing article via [[f:Wikifunctions:Embedded_function_calls|embedded function calls]]. * An abstract article can't be mapped to every language because there are huge differences in the way languages divide sentences into parts of speech (syntax) * Other NLG projects have tried and failed to solve the problem of when to include "the" (the definite article) *: This idea seems to have stemmed from a misunderstanding of an anecdote in [[f:WF:Status_updates/2026-06-19|Wikifunctions' newsletter]], where one of [[d:Q5593683|<abbr title="Grammatical Framework">GF</abbr>]]'s developers is said to have called the definite article problem <q>one of the hardest puzzles they had to solve</q>. That issue of the newsletter set out the problem as it applied to WF, and [[f:Z36580|a heuristic solution]] was provided [[f:WF:Project_chat/Archive/2026/06#Wikifunctions_&_Abstract_Wikipedia_Newsletter_#253_is_out:_The_or_not_the,_this_is_(the?)_question|within a day]]. That solution is of course imperfect, but perfection was never the goal of {{SITENAME}}. * Some concepts are simply untranslatable; languages are in some way limited by culture/worldview *: This is an idea linguists call "[[d:Q10359037|linguistic relativity]]", though historically the debate has been over whether ''worldview'' is limited by ''language''. Both that conjecture and the reverse turn out to be false in most aspects. On the idea of 'untranslatability', [[w:en:Untranslatability|enwp says]] <q>difficulty of translation does not always carry deep linguistic relativity implications; denotation [i.e. identification of concepts by words] can virtually always be translated, given enough [[d:Q1095194|circumlocution]]</q>. For example, the label of [[d:Property:P10|the Wikidata property 'video']] in {{#language:kcg}} is '<span lang="kcg">ghwughwu a̱guguut</span>' which means something like "movement of shadows".^{[TODO have someone confirm that, or find a better example]} * AW is trying to create an IAL / universal language *: While IALs or areal auxlangs could be target languages, the LISP-like syntax does not itself constitute an auxiliary language. Natural language text is considered the end product of work on an abstract article. * The foundation of AW is a model of linguistics which is discredited by the current consensus of linguists *: {{SITENAME}} as a platform does not assume any particular model or theory. All the linguistic information and processing is stored in Wikidata and Wikifunctions, so even if that were the case, the foundations could be swapped out and the project salvaged. This idea may have arisen from [section re: definite article]. See also [section re: known bad functions]. * By accepting contributions, AW leeches volunteer man-hours from sister projects *: We volunteers own the time we spend. If we consider it best spent here, we are obviously aligned with the aims and viability of this project. Closing it would not encourage us to contribute more. Some of us have contributed to Wikimedia projects for decades, and the variety of projects or contributions is one of the things that can help us to motivate and maintain such commitment. {{SITENAME}} relies on the content in Wikifunctions and Wikidata to produce output, so it pushes contributors to those projects. * Volunteer time would be better spent using [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ContentTranslation Extension:ContentTranslation] *: Since article integration hasn't been rolled out yet, this is definitely true for a lone editor with the goal of making knowledge accessible to more people, and it will likely be true for a while. But if all goes well, {{SITENAME}} (or rather, Wikifunctions) will accrue the functions needed to generate text in many languages. Then that lone editor will have the choice between translating a high-quality article into one language, or converting some of it into an abstract article which is then available in many languages. * The server resources would be better spent on training LLMs for under-resourced languages *: Other organisations already do this, so WMF-funded machine translation development would be duplicative. Also, it isn't in the competency area of the Wikimedia movement, which is volunteer-led content. The suggestion to "just" train LLMs for all the under-resourced languages doesn't account for the scale of the problem either: At time of writing, ~250 languages are offered in Google Translate, while there are several ''thousand'' living languages. * It was already possible to create formulaic articles from Wikidata using templates and/or modules, an entirely new system is unnecessary *: Certainly it was possible, some Wikipedias did build systems which failed and others built systems which worked and are still in use. Like the current {{SITENAME}}, these had a high learning curve for those looking to contribute to the system, but unlike {{SITENAME}} they are all limited to their own wikis. * If it succeeds, AW will bring about a sort of "digital neo-colonialism" in which small language communities get enwp translated into their language *: {{SITENAME}} is a blank slate, not based on enwp. It uses (via Wikifunctions) a multilingual labelling system similar to Wikidata, enabling volunteers to translate the interface which other volunteers can then use to edit articles. We will continue working at lowering the barriers to entry, so that readers of small wikis can feel comfortable clicking <q>{{int:wikilambda-abstract-tab-edit}}</q> and sharing the knowledge which is most important to them.<br>On the subject of [[w:electronic colonialism|electronic colonialism]]: This is a significant problem for the Wikimedia movement as a whole, not just {{SITENAME}}. For example, for our language codes we use [[w:ISO 639]], originally developed by SIL Global (an organisation derived from the evangelical missionary group Summer Institute of Linguistics which has a goal of translating Christian Bibles into many languages^[relevance?]). By foregrounding the volunteer editors of a target language and enabling self-governance of the individual wikis, these sociopolitical influences may be mitigated. * When a new set of NLG functions emerges to fix the flaws of the previous set, every abstract article will need to be rewritten *: Yes, that process is what's known as a 'deprecation cycle' and it's a part of any serious software project. Other wikis will have encountered something similar, for example the [[w:en:WP:PARSOIDMIGRATION|migration to Parsoid]] and the maintenance tasks it created.<br>Regarding flawed NLG functions specifically: The old function(s) can remain in place and be useful in the languages where they were working, until a replacement exists and an editor swaps it out. And we can be more confident that the replacement(s) will last, because they will have been born from community discussion and fortified with a growing corpus of test cases for catching regressions. * Even the most fluent machine-generated text will remain soulless compared to a human-written article, so why bother? *: The point of writing an encyclopedia is conveying factual information, and for {{SITENAME}}, specifically in the languages where human resources are scarce; the quality of prose is a separate concern, addressed at [[abstract:WikiProject Encyclopedic Quality]]. The option of having a human write the whole article will always be there, see [section on article integration]. * Some languages have a lot of inflected forms of words; just storing them on Wikidata is hard, to say nothing of using them in Wikifunctions *: Those languages with many inflections tend to also have consistent rules for how to generate them (which makes sense when you remember that humans find rote memorisation hard, but learning patterns easy). Programmers can use those inflection rules to "compress" the list. * AW is an automated/machine translation service, something that everyone else is now using LLMs for *: {{SITENAME}} does not translate between languages. It uses community-defined algorithms to transform an ''abstract'' representation of concepts into [[d:Q2568869|rich text]] in a particular written language ([[d:Q1513879|<abbr title="natural language generation">NLG</abbr>]]).<br>The reason why AW uses functions it that it gives users complete control over how content is displayed and translated. Whereas LLMs can be unpredictable, hard to properly diagnose issues, and very difficult for volunteers to fix. * Reading AW requires running huge JavaScript blobs in your browser *: When articles are eventually selected for display in language editions of Wikipedia, the reading experience will be similar to any other page on that wiki. The AW site is primarily designed for content development. The editor is currently a 0.5 MiB download. The site itself is also under development, so the current state does not necessarily represent a long-term ideal. [[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 02:25, 28 July 2026 (UTC) :Thanks, good summary. Should we prepare answers individually here (separate sections?) then add them to the page when done? --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 02:51, 28 July 2026 (UTC) ::You're welcome to chop up by above comment for organisational purposes. [[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 03:00, 28 July 2026 (UTC) :::Okay, I'll write as though it's the answer, anyone should feel free to overwrite and improve. --[[User:99of9|99of9]] ([[User talk:99of9|talk]]) 03:29, 28 July 2026 (UTC) :re: assignment of language codes, I can see how that process was Eurocentric, but I don't see what negative impact it's had on those communities who didn't get a memorable code. They're 2- and 3-letter identifiers used mainly by machines. [[User:YoshiRulz|YoshiRulz]] ([[User talk:YoshiRulz|talk]]) 22:42, 28 July 2026 (UTC) ::Well, it depends on what you call 'negative'. The main controversies have been about [[w:lumpers and splitters|lumping and splitting]]: <code>zh</code> encompasses a wide range of languages, whereas <code>nb</code> and <code>nn</code> are mutually-intelligible varieties of the same language. It doesn't end up being that big a deal since as you say mostly humans don't need to encounter the codes all the time, and there are ways to append the codes to make them more specific. And while WMF bases codes on ISO 639, there are custom decisions like <code>be-tarask</code>. Meanwhile, Abstract Wikipedia uses Wikifunctions identifiers, which are yet a third system. — [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 22:47, 28 July 2026 (UTC) See also [[f:WF:NOT]]. — [[User:Arlo Barnes|Arlo Barnes]] ([[User talk:Arlo Barnes|talk]]) 20:30, 28 July 2026 (UTC) s7n5kce1aqr2rlm0wyj99b3d7w6vldz 2 5038 13892 13833 2026-08-02T07:26:30Z Stefangrotz 4944 13892 wikitext text/x-wiki Hi, I am Stefan, I started editing abstract wikipedia after visiting the workshop during [[Q131324746|Wikimania 2026]] in Paris. 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