Wikibooks enwikibooks https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Main_Page MediaWiki 1.47.0-wmf.3 first-letter Media Special Talk User User talk Wikibooks Wikibooks talk File File talk MediaWiki MediaWiki talk Template Template talk Help Help talk Category Category talk Cookbook Cookbook talk Transwiki Transwiki talk Wikijunior Wikijunior talk Subject Subject talk TimedText TimedText talk Module Module talk Event Event talk 4 387 4637131 4636801 2026-05-23T07:02:20Z Dan Polansky 78491 /* Markdown */ 4637131 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ [[Category:Wikibooks deletion|{{PAGENAME}}]] {{Discussion Rooms}} {{TOCleft}} {{shortcut|WB:RFU}} {{Requests for deletion/New undeletion}} {{Requests for deletion/Undeletion intro}} <!-- New undeletion requests go at the bottom of this page. --> == [[Investiture of the Gods]] == See [[Wikibooks:Requests for deletion/Investiture of the Gods]] for the original deletion discussion; some extra discussion here at Wikibooks is at [[User talk:Darin Fidika~enwikibooks#Investiture of the Gods]]. This is a kind of reading guide or explanatory commentary for English-language speakers on the ''[[wikipedia:Fengshen Yanyi|Fengshen Yanyi]]'', a notable historical work of Chinese literature which features extensive references to Chinese folk religion and mythology; it is now being discussed at the Wikisource sister project: see [[wikisource:Wikisource:Proposed deletions#Portal:Investiture of the Gods]] and the subsequent discussion here at [[Wikibooks:Reading room/General#A discussion about Investiture of the Gods]]. Overall, it seems clear enough that the merit of keeping this work at Wikibooks was never even discussed or assessed in the first place; an overbroad claim was simply initially presented that it ''wholly consists of a translation of Fengshen Yanyi ... with no annotations to make it an annotated text for suitable inclusion'', which went unchallenged as the work was straightforwardly transwikied to Wikisource, but this is shown to be incorrect: rather, it contains extensive chapter summaries and an explanatory "Categorization of Events" for each chapter, and is ''not'', by all evidence, a verbatim translation of the original Chinese work (if it was such, it could simply be hosted on English Wikisource, which allows for such translations). ISTM that Wikibooks is the most suitable Wikimedia project for hosting this particular content of clear educational value, given its existing policies on hosting both instructional texts in general and "annotated" works specifically. (For example, [[Wikibooks:What is Wikibooks?#What is Wikibooks]] explicitly allows for "extensive book summaries" when they're about a historically notable work of literature. The in-context example is Shakespeare, but considering a work of Chinese literature such as the ''Fengshen Yanyi'' instead only strengthens the case for inclusion.) --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27371-40|&#126;2025-27371-40]] ([[User talk:&#126;2025-27371-40|talk]]) 12:12, 1 December 2025 (UTC) :Noting here for transparency that this was requested on [[Wikibooks:Requests for import#Import request: Investiture of the Gods]], but instead of being imported here, it was imported to Wikiversity by Koavf. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 04:18, 22 March 2026 (UTC) == [[Character Encodings]] == *I didn't see the deletion discussion, as the latest author of this wikibook. <s>I want to know what work could be done to fix this, if it was restored.</s> I see that it needs content outside of code tables for it to be valid- if restored, I will add pages for MS-DOS, HP, and EBCDIC. What else needs to be done? If restoring is impossible, I at least want to view it.[[User:Alexlatham96|Alexlatham96]] ([[User talk:Alexlatham96|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alexlatham96|contribs]]) 21:37, 9 March 2026 (UTC) **Maybe this can be merged into [[Introduction to Computer Information Systems]] or something similar. [[User:Alexlatham96|Alexlatham96]] ([[User talk:Alexlatham96|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alexlatham96|contribs]]) 21:44, 9 March 2026 (UTC) **:Hi, [[User:Alexlatham96|Alexlatham96]]. I closed a [[Special:Diff/4622001|recent deletion discussion]] about the book, because: {{tq|Was never fleshed out into a proper book and consists only of code tables}}. I'll ping @[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] here if they have a second opinion, and because they created the discussion (that never had any participation). There were hundreds of pages in this book that will take some time to restore. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 00:32, 10 March 2026 (UTC) **::Chiming in here to elaborate on my reasoning! Per [[WB:WIW]], {{tq|as a general rule, only instructional books are suitable for inclusion. Non-fictional books (as well as fictional ones) that aren't instructional aren't allowed on Wikibooks}}. Examples of nonfictional books that aren't instructional/allowed include reference works like dictionaries, which are only really allowed as part of larger instructional books and not on their own. Based on the contents I saw here, the content was solely reference materials and not instructional materials. I see no problem with consolidating and migrating the content to something like a useful appendix as part of another book. Cheers —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 18:15, 11 March 2026 (UTC) **:::Note that these pages were created as transwiki back in late 2024 from Wikipedia (and they were deleted afterwards), and since these were deleted now from WikiBooks, they're no longer visible (also, they're still deleted from Wikipedia). However, "Wayback Machine" seems to have a copy of it, but it may not be complete. **:::If a restoration here isn't possible, what should be done instead? **:::[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-15548-70|&#126;2026-15548-70]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-15548-70|talk]]) 19:03, 11 March 2026 (UTC) **::::This was actually created in an earlier transwiki from Wikipedia (there were two)<s>-</s> the first being in July 2020. I support the proposal to make it an appendix to Introduction to Computer Information Systems or something similar.[[User:Alexlatham96|Alexlatham96]] ([[User talk:Alexlatham96|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alexlatham96|contribs]]) 20:15, 11 March 2026 (UTC) **:::::{{ping|Alexlatham96}} which pages would you want to be undeleted? I can help. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 22:19, 11 March 2026 (UTC) **::::::Let's start with the MS-DOS (code page numbers 3846 and lower) and HP code tables section, because these were the most recently transwikied (people will be especially looking for code pages 775, 852, 855, 857, and 860). Once this is done, we can do the EBCDIC code tables, which were also transwikied (and I finished adding what was planned for Wikipedia).[[User:Alexlatham96|Alexlatham96]] ([[User talk:Alexlatham96|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alexlatham96|contribs]]) 00:17, 12 March 2026 (UTC) **:::::::I've undeleted all HP code table sections, and to clarify, do you want ALL MS-DOS sections lower than 3846 (including undeleting those in the 100-700 range) to be undeleted? [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 00:31, 12 March 2026 (UTC) **::::::::Yes, including 3846. [[User:Alexlatham96|Alexlatham96]] ([[User talk:Alexlatham96|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alexlatham96|contribs]]) 00:55, 12 March 2026 (UTC) **:::::::::{{done|All done}}. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 02:29, 12 March 2026 (UTC) **::::::::::Great. Let me know when you have time to undelete the EBCDIC section- people will be looking for code pages 37, 500, 875, and 1026 especially.[[User:Alexlatham96|Alexlatham96]] ([[User talk:Alexlatham96|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alexlatham96|contribs]]) 22:10, 12 March 2026 (UTC) **::::::::::Update: also the two in the ISO section- these are standards.[[User:Alexlatham96|Alexlatham96]] ([[User talk:Alexlatham96|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alexlatham96|contribs]]) 06:29, 14 March 2026 (UTC) ***Thank you. I also see that the old administrator is inactive, and never found out about this. There <s>will</s> may have to be a new administrator other than me, since I am not one on Wikipedia or Wikibooks. <s>Does another user with knowledge of the topic like Drmccreedy or HarJIT have admin powers?</s>[[User:Alexlatham96|Alexlatham96]] ([[User talk:Alexlatham96|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alexlatham96|contribs]]) 03:34, 10 March 2026 (UTC) ***Update: I found out they do not have admin rights, but can still do non-admin tasks. The authors of Unicode's legacy encoding proposals (latest being L2-26/077) could also help out if they're active here.[[User:Alexlatham96|Alexlatham96]] ([[User talk:Alexlatham96|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alexlatham96|contribs]]) 03:55, 10 March 2026 (UTC) == Markdown == The page [[Markdown]] was short but pretty sweet. It showed Markdown features by example and contained decent external links. He who would want to expand the page had the option. I find the page to be a minimum useful product/artifact, to be ideally restored. For reference, [https://web.archive.org/web/20250427011600/https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Markdown the page in Wayback Machine]. --[[User:Dan Polansky|Dan Polansky]] ([[User talk:Dan Polansky|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dan Polansky|contribs]]) 15:36, 5 May 2026 (UTC) : {{courtesy ping}} to [[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] who marked the page for speedy deletion. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 19:00, 5 May 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Codename Noreste|Codename Noreste]] thank you! I think for me this relates to recent on-wiki discussions we've been having in the sense that I don't think it makes sense to host any content that could theoretically be improved by someone at some time in the future. Even if the content is valid (which it seems to be!), the work is not set up to be book-like, I don't think it's in scope here, and I can't see someone coming around and turning it into a book within a reasonable time frame. Does this help? —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 12:42, 8 May 2026 (UTC) ::: {{courtesy ping}} to [[User:Dan Polansky|Dan Polansky]]. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 16:28, 8 May 2026 (UTC) ::: {{Ping|Kittycataclysm}} The content is not book-like, but I do not recall this having been a requirement in Wikibooks (despite the name). If there is a requirement that the content should be book-like, it should be made into a policy. I created other pages that were instructional with no chance of being book-like in the past. Some examples of non-book-like pages include [[less]], [[grep]] and [[sed]]. ::: The content is minimum useful artifact for the head and is instructional. ::: Either way, can you please at least restore the content in my user space? --[[User:Dan Polansky|Dan Polansky]] ([[User talk:Dan Polansky|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dan Polansky|contribs]]) 06:15, 18 May 2026 (UTC) ::::@[[User:Dan Polansky|Dan Polansky]] language in policy does refer to Wikibooks content as book-like. For example, per [[WB:WIW]]: ::::* {{tq|"The site should primarily be used for developing textbooks, textbook-like books, and supporting book-based instructional materials"}} ::::* {{tq|"As a general rule, only instructional books are suitable for inclusion"}} ::::* {{tq|"Wikibooks includes both minor and major book-like projects"}} ::::For other admins: if I am missing something obvious, please let me know. —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 00:43, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::::: {{Ping|Kittycataclysm}} Thank you. I note: 1) it says "primarily", which means "not exclusively"; 2) "instructional materials" is much broader than books. ::::: Moreover, I checked [https://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks:What_is_Wikibooks%3F&oldid=3797401 2021 version] of the policy and did not find the text you are quoting. When was the text introduced, by what process and who approved the text? --[[User:Dan Polansky|Dan Polansky]] ([[User talk:Dan Polansky|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dan Polansky|contribs]]) 04:25, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::::: Part of the answer lies in [https://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks:What_is_Wikibooks%3F&diff=prev&oldid=4377929 this edit] of yours from 9 March 2024, which does not trace to a discussion or a vote, but traces to [[Wikibooks:Policies and guidelines]]. However, [[Wikibooks:Policies and guidelines]] is not marked as a policy. ::::: Be it as it may, it does not answer my question: where is the evidence of consensus for the changes, minimally in the form of a discussion, and ideally in the form of a request for comments or a vote? ::::: Let me also ask from the point of view of examining other examples that I already brought up: is it your view that [[less]], [[sed]] and [[grep]] should be deleted as non-books, too short to be considered books? ::::: Let me also ask about the ''process'': why was RFD not used and instead speedy was used? From what I recall, Wikibooks used to delete subpar content via RFD, including all those outlines with no content proper. --[[User:Dan Polansky|Dan Polansky]] ([[User talk:Dan Polansky|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dan Polansky|contribs]]) 04:41, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::@[[User:Dan Polansky|Dan Polansky]] ::::::# That's a good catch about the March 9 edit—I can't recall why I made that decision, but I think you're right that moving text from a non-policy page to a policy page without discussion is not appropriate. My understanding is that the general sentiment is still correct, but we'll need more community discussion to officially integrate it into policy. ::::::# Regarding the other examples you listed: assuming the book-like requirement is the community consensus, I don't think they can stand on their own, but it might be possible to turn them into a more cohesive book. ::::::# Regarding the process, I flagged for speedy deletion because I was on the fence about whether it was a speedy or an RFD—in these cases, I usually flag for another admin to review instead of making the deletion myself. ::::::Since this is getting more into community consensus territory, I am looping in other active users and admins to weigh in @[[User:Atcovi|Atcovi]] @[[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] @[[User:Xania|Xania]] @[[User:MarcGarver|MarcGarver]] @[[User:SHB2000|SHB2000]] @[[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] @[[User:JJPMaster|JJPMaster]]. Cheers —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 13:04, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::: @Kittycataclysm: Thank you for this response. And let me also thank you for your clean-up effort at Wikibooks; hardly anyone wants to do that and you seem to be doing quite a lot of it. --[[User:Dan Polansky|Dan Polansky]] ([[User talk:Dan Polansky|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dan Polansky|contribs]]) 13:56, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::Wikibooks has never been heavy on written policies and tends to operate in line with what the current active community thinks is right. This isn't unusual, many small projects work like that. So getting hung up on who edited a policy and whether it was approved isn't really important - there have been many proposals put forward to amend WIW, and you need to search to find them as they are buried in different talk pages and project pages - what's important is what the community wants to do now. For what it is worth it is pretty clear from its very inception that the intention of Wikibooks was to host textbooks (see [[m:Talk:Science_Hypertextbook_project]]). That doesn't preclude the community from changing its mind, now or in the future. [[User:MarcGarver|MarcGarver]] ([[User talk:MarcGarver|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MarcGarver|contribs]]) 15:23, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: 1) This use of the word "community" is a huge red flag. 2) The above attitude allows for a massive manipulation of the project, especially by people who are more interested in exercising their power than contributing any useful content. If there really is a consensus of the "current active community" (whatever that is supposed to mean), that current community should not have any difficulty passing it through a request for comment or a vote. From my experience, projects that disregard policies start to get controlled by crooks. --[[User:Dan Polansky|Dan Polansky]] ([[User talk:Dan Polansky|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dan Polansky|contribs]]) 07:02, 23 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::My thoughts are mostly with Marc's and Leaderboard's here. --[[User:SHB2000|SHB2000]] ([[User talk:SHB2000|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/SHB2000|contribs]]) 22:57, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :I think the book does not qualify in its current state (but as a draft, wouldn't have qualified for deletion either). Markdown is indeed a language without a lot to write; however, I think the book is too small as written. The fact that it's only a single page is fine. [[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] ([[User talk:Leaderboard|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Leaderboard|contribs]]) 13:08, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :: But ''why'' does it not qualify, given it shows the most important features of Markup by example? (It is not a book and probably never will be. It is too short for that and will be too short, even if expanded.) --[[User:Dan Polansky|Dan Polansky]] ([[User talk:Dan Polansky|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dan Polansky|contribs]]) 13:14, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::It's too brief in my opinion. A Wikibook tends to have significantly more detail, even if it's just one page. I think the book can absolutely be expanded in a form that will allow it to stay here. [[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] ([[User talk:Leaderboard|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Leaderboard|contribs]]) 14:15, 20 May 2026 (UTC) gdk8mndirenqg47mzkpkpku2gjpsnhr 4637132 4637131 2026-05-23T07:06:21Z Dan Polansky 78491 /* Markdown */ 4637132 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ [[Category:Wikibooks deletion|{{PAGENAME}}]] {{Discussion Rooms}} {{TOCleft}} {{shortcut|WB:RFU}} {{Requests for deletion/New undeletion}} {{Requests for deletion/Undeletion intro}} <!-- New undeletion requests go at the bottom of this page. --> == [[Investiture of the Gods]] == See [[Wikibooks:Requests for deletion/Investiture of the Gods]] for the original deletion discussion; some extra discussion here at Wikibooks is at [[User talk:Darin Fidika~enwikibooks#Investiture of the Gods]]. This is a kind of reading guide or explanatory commentary for English-language speakers on the ''[[wikipedia:Fengshen Yanyi|Fengshen Yanyi]]'', a notable historical work of Chinese literature which features extensive references to Chinese folk religion and mythology; it is now being discussed at the Wikisource sister project: see [[wikisource:Wikisource:Proposed deletions#Portal:Investiture of the Gods]] and the subsequent discussion here at [[Wikibooks:Reading room/General#A discussion about Investiture of the Gods]]. Overall, it seems clear enough that the merit of keeping this work at Wikibooks was never even discussed or assessed in the first place; an overbroad claim was simply initially presented that it ''wholly consists of a translation of Fengshen Yanyi ... with no annotations to make it an annotated text for suitable inclusion'', which went unchallenged as the work was straightforwardly transwikied to Wikisource, but this is shown to be incorrect: rather, it contains extensive chapter summaries and an explanatory "Categorization of Events" for each chapter, and is ''not'', by all evidence, a verbatim translation of the original Chinese work (if it was such, it could simply be hosted on English Wikisource, which allows for such translations). ISTM that Wikibooks is the most suitable Wikimedia project for hosting this particular content of clear educational value, given its existing policies on hosting both instructional texts in general and "annotated" works specifically. (For example, [[Wikibooks:What is Wikibooks?#What is Wikibooks]] explicitly allows for "extensive book summaries" when they're about a historically notable work of literature. The in-context example is Shakespeare, but considering a work of Chinese literature such as the ''Fengshen Yanyi'' instead only strengthens the case for inclusion.) --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27371-40|&#126;2025-27371-40]] ([[User talk:&#126;2025-27371-40|talk]]) 12:12, 1 December 2025 (UTC) :Noting here for transparency that this was requested on [[Wikibooks:Requests for import#Import request: Investiture of the Gods]], but instead of being imported here, it was imported to Wikiversity by Koavf. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 04:18, 22 March 2026 (UTC) == [[Character Encodings]] == *I didn't see the deletion discussion, as the latest author of this wikibook. <s>I want to know what work could be done to fix this, if it was restored.</s> I see that it needs content outside of code tables for it to be valid- if restored, I will add pages for MS-DOS, HP, and EBCDIC. What else needs to be done? If restoring is impossible, I at least want to view it.[[User:Alexlatham96|Alexlatham96]] ([[User talk:Alexlatham96|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alexlatham96|contribs]]) 21:37, 9 March 2026 (UTC) **Maybe this can be merged into [[Introduction to Computer Information Systems]] or something similar. [[User:Alexlatham96|Alexlatham96]] ([[User talk:Alexlatham96|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alexlatham96|contribs]]) 21:44, 9 March 2026 (UTC) **:Hi, [[User:Alexlatham96|Alexlatham96]]. I closed a [[Special:Diff/4622001|recent deletion discussion]] about the book, because: {{tq|Was never fleshed out into a proper book and consists only of code tables}}. I'll ping @[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] here if they have a second opinion, and because they created the discussion (that never had any participation). There were hundreds of pages in this book that will take some time to restore. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 00:32, 10 March 2026 (UTC) **::Chiming in here to elaborate on my reasoning! Per [[WB:WIW]], {{tq|as a general rule, only instructional books are suitable for inclusion. Non-fictional books (as well as fictional ones) that aren't instructional aren't allowed on Wikibooks}}. Examples of nonfictional books that aren't instructional/allowed include reference works like dictionaries, which are only really allowed as part of larger instructional books and not on their own. Based on the contents I saw here, the content was solely reference materials and not instructional materials. I see no problem with consolidating and migrating the content to something like a useful appendix as part of another book. Cheers —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 18:15, 11 March 2026 (UTC) **:::Note that these pages were created as transwiki back in late 2024 from Wikipedia (and they were deleted afterwards), and since these were deleted now from WikiBooks, they're no longer visible (also, they're still deleted from Wikipedia). However, "Wayback Machine" seems to have a copy of it, but it may not be complete. **:::If a restoration here isn't possible, what should be done instead? **:::[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-15548-70|&#126;2026-15548-70]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-15548-70|talk]]) 19:03, 11 March 2026 (UTC) **::::This was actually created in an earlier transwiki from Wikipedia (there were two)<s>-</s> the first being in July 2020. I support the proposal to make it an appendix to Introduction to Computer Information Systems or something similar.[[User:Alexlatham96|Alexlatham96]] ([[User talk:Alexlatham96|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alexlatham96|contribs]]) 20:15, 11 March 2026 (UTC) **:::::{{ping|Alexlatham96}} which pages would you want to be undeleted? I can help. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 22:19, 11 March 2026 (UTC) **::::::Let's start with the MS-DOS (code page numbers 3846 and lower) and HP code tables section, because these were the most recently transwikied (people will be especially looking for code pages 775, 852, 855, 857, and 860). Once this is done, we can do the EBCDIC code tables, which were also transwikied (and I finished adding what was planned for Wikipedia).[[User:Alexlatham96|Alexlatham96]] ([[User talk:Alexlatham96|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alexlatham96|contribs]]) 00:17, 12 March 2026 (UTC) **:::::::I've undeleted all HP code table sections, and to clarify, do you want ALL MS-DOS sections lower than 3846 (including undeleting those in the 100-700 range) to be undeleted? [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 00:31, 12 March 2026 (UTC) **::::::::Yes, including 3846. [[User:Alexlatham96|Alexlatham96]] ([[User talk:Alexlatham96|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alexlatham96|contribs]]) 00:55, 12 March 2026 (UTC) **:::::::::{{done|All done}}. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 02:29, 12 March 2026 (UTC) **::::::::::Great. Let me know when you have time to undelete the EBCDIC section- people will be looking for code pages 37, 500, 875, and 1026 especially.[[User:Alexlatham96|Alexlatham96]] ([[User talk:Alexlatham96|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alexlatham96|contribs]]) 22:10, 12 March 2026 (UTC) **::::::::::Update: also the two in the ISO section- these are standards.[[User:Alexlatham96|Alexlatham96]] ([[User talk:Alexlatham96|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alexlatham96|contribs]]) 06:29, 14 March 2026 (UTC) ***Thank you. I also see that the old administrator is inactive, and never found out about this. There <s>will</s> may have to be a new administrator other than me, since I am not one on Wikipedia or Wikibooks. <s>Does another user with knowledge of the topic like Drmccreedy or HarJIT have admin powers?</s>[[User:Alexlatham96|Alexlatham96]] ([[User talk:Alexlatham96|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alexlatham96|contribs]]) 03:34, 10 March 2026 (UTC) ***Update: I found out they do not have admin rights, but can still do non-admin tasks. The authors of Unicode's legacy encoding proposals (latest being L2-26/077) could also help out if they're active here.[[User:Alexlatham96|Alexlatham96]] ([[User talk:Alexlatham96|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alexlatham96|contribs]]) 03:55, 10 March 2026 (UTC) == Markdown == The page [[Markdown]] was short but pretty sweet. It showed Markdown features by example and contained decent external links. He who would want to expand the page had the option. I find the page to be a minimum useful product/artifact, to be ideally restored. For reference, [https://web.archive.org/web/20250427011600/https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Markdown the page in Wayback Machine]. --[[User:Dan Polansky|Dan Polansky]] ([[User talk:Dan Polansky|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dan Polansky|contribs]]) 15:36, 5 May 2026 (UTC) : {{courtesy ping}} to [[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] who marked the page for speedy deletion. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 19:00, 5 May 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Codename Noreste|Codename Noreste]] thank you! I think for me this relates to recent on-wiki discussions we've been having in the sense that I don't think it makes sense to host any content that could theoretically be improved by someone at some time in the future. Even if the content is valid (which it seems to be!), the work is not set up to be book-like, I don't think it's in scope here, and I can't see someone coming around and turning it into a book within a reasonable time frame. Does this help? —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 12:42, 8 May 2026 (UTC) ::: {{courtesy ping}} to [[User:Dan Polansky|Dan Polansky]]. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 16:28, 8 May 2026 (UTC) ::: {{Ping|Kittycataclysm}} The content is not book-like, but I do not recall this having been a requirement in Wikibooks (despite the name). If there is a requirement that the content should be book-like, it should be made into a policy. I created other pages that were instructional with no chance of being book-like in the past. Some examples of non-book-like pages include [[less]], [[grep]] and [[sed]]. ::: The content is minimum useful artifact for the head and is instructional. ::: Either way, can you please at least restore the content in my user space? --[[User:Dan Polansky|Dan Polansky]] ([[User talk:Dan Polansky|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dan Polansky|contribs]]) 06:15, 18 May 2026 (UTC) ::::@[[User:Dan Polansky|Dan Polansky]] language in policy does refer to Wikibooks content as book-like. For example, per [[WB:WIW]]: ::::* {{tq|"The site should primarily be used for developing textbooks, textbook-like books, and supporting book-based instructional materials"}} ::::* {{tq|"As a general rule, only instructional books are suitable for inclusion"}} ::::* {{tq|"Wikibooks includes both minor and major book-like projects"}} ::::For other admins: if I am missing something obvious, please let me know. —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 00:43, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::::: {{Ping|Kittycataclysm}} Thank you. I note: 1) it says "primarily", which means "not exclusively"; 2) "instructional materials" is much broader than books. ::::: Moreover, I checked [https://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks:What_is_Wikibooks%3F&oldid=3797401 2021 version] of the policy and did not find the text you are quoting. When was the text introduced, by what process and who approved the text? --[[User:Dan Polansky|Dan Polansky]] ([[User talk:Dan Polansky|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dan Polansky|contribs]]) 04:25, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::::: Part of the answer lies in [https://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks:What_is_Wikibooks%3F&diff=prev&oldid=4377929 this edit] of yours from 9 March 2024, which does not trace to a discussion or a vote, but traces to [[Wikibooks:Policies and guidelines]]. However, [[Wikibooks:Policies and guidelines]] is not marked as a policy. ::::: Be it as it may, it does not answer my question: where is the evidence of consensus for the changes, minimally in the form of a discussion, and ideally in the form of a request for comments or a vote? ::::: Let me also ask from the point of view of examining other examples that I already brought up: is it your view that [[less]], [[sed]] and [[grep]] should be deleted as non-books, too short to be considered books? ::::: Let me also ask about the ''process'': why was RFD not used and instead speedy was used? From what I recall, Wikibooks used to delete subpar content via RFD, including all those outlines with no content proper. --[[User:Dan Polansky|Dan Polansky]] ([[User talk:Dan Polansky|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dan Polansky|contribs]]) 04:41, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::@[[User:Dan Polansky|Dan Polansky]] ::::::# That's a good catch about the March 9 edit—I can't recall why I made that decision, but I think you're right that moving text from a non-policy page to a policy page without discussion is not appropriate. My understanding is that the general sentiment is still correct, but we'll need more community discussion to officially integrate it into policy. ::::::# Regarding the other examples you listed: assuming the book-like requirement is the community consensus, I don't think they can stand on their own, but it might be possible to turn them into a more cohesive book. ::::::# Regarding the process, I flagged for speedy deletion because I was on the fence about whether it was a speedy or an RFD—in these cases, I usually flag for another admin to review instead of making the deletion myself. ::::::Since this is getting more into community consensus territory, I am looping in other active users and admins to weigh in @[[User:Atcovi|Atcovi]] @[[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] @[[User:Xania|Xania]] @[[User:MarcGarver|MarcGarver]] @[[User:SHB2000|SHB2000]] @[[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] @[[User:JJPMaster|JJPMaster]]. Cheers —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 13:04, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::: @Kittycataclysm: Thank you for this response. And let me also thank you for your clean-up effort at Wikibooks; hardly anyone wants to do that and you seem to be doing quite a lot of it. --[[User:Dan Polansky|Dan Polansky]] ([[User talk:Dan Polansky|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dan Polansky|contribs]]) 13:56, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::Wikibooks has never been heavy on written policies and tends to operate in line with what the current active community thinks is right. This isn't unusual, many small projects work like that. So getting hung up on who edited a policy and whether it was approved isn't really important - there have been many proposals put forward to amend WIW, and you need to search to find them as they are buried in different talk pages and project pages - what's important is what the community wants to do now. For what it is worth it is pretty clear from its very inception that the intention of Wikibooks was to host textbooks (see [[m:Talk:Science_Hypertextbook_project]]). That doesn't preclude the community from changing its mind, now or in the future. [[User:MarcGarver|MarcGarver]] ([[User talk:MarcGarver|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MarcGarver|contribs]]) 15:23, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: 1) This use of the word "community" (instead of e.g. "editors") is a huge red flag. 2) The above attitude allows for a manipulation of the project, especially by people who are more interested in exercising their power than contributing any useful content. If there really is a consensus of the "current active community" (whatever that is supposed to mean), that current community should not have any difficulty passing it through a request for comment or a vote. From my experience, projects that disregard policies start to get controlled by bad actors, often actors who do not have the skill to do any content work so they natually tend toward mere administrators (also known by Steve Jobs as bozos). --[[User:Dan Polansky|Dan Polansky]] ([[User talk:Dan Polansky|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dan Polansky|contribs]]) 07:06, 23 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::My thoughts are mostly with Marc's and Leaderboard's here. --[[User:SHB2000|SHB2000]] ([[User talk:SHB2000|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/SHB2000|contribs]]) 22:57, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :I think the book does not qualify in its current state (but as a draft, wouldn't have qualified for deletion either). Markdown is indeed a language without a lot to write; however, I think the book is too small as written. The fact that it's only a single page is fine. [[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] ([[User talk:Leaderboard|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Leaderboard|contribs]]) 13:08, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :: But ''why'' does it not qualify, given it shows the most important features of Markup by example? (It is not a book and probably never will be. It is too short for that and will be too short, even if expanded.) --[[User:Dan Polansky|Dan Polansky]] ([[User talk:Dan Polansky|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dan Polansky|contribs]]) 13:14, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::It's too brief in my opinion. A Wikibook tends to have significantly more detail, even if it's just one page. I think the book can absolutely be expanded in a form that will allow it to stay here. [[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] ([[User talk:Leaderboard|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Leaderboard|contribs]]) 14:15, 20 May 2026 (UTC) jj8k9xaizlc2qk3k2vg4e3eiiy95b4h 4637133 4637132 2026-05-23T07:21:25Z Dan Polansky 78491 /* Markdown */ 4637133 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ [[Category:Wikibooks deletion|{{PAGENAME}}]] {{Discussion Rooms}} {{TOCleft}} {{shortcut|WB:RFU}} {{Requests for deletion/New undeletion}} {{Requests for deletion/Undeletion intro}} <!-- New undeletion requests go at the bottom of this page. --> == [[Investiture of the Gods]] == See [[Wikibooks:Requests for deletion/Investiture of the Gods]] for the original deletion discussion; some extra discussion here at Wikibooks is at [[User talk:Darin Fidika~enwikibooks#Investiture of the Gods]]. This is a kind of reading guide or explanatory commentary for English-language speakers on the ''[[wikipedia:Fengshen Yanyi|Fengshen Yanyi]]'', a notable historical work of Chinese literature which features extensive references to Chinese folk religion and mythology; it is now being discussed at the Wikisource sister project: see [[wikisource:Wikisource:Proposed deletions#Portal:Investiture of the Gods]] and the subsequent discussion here at [[Wikibooks:Reading room/General#A discussion about Investiture of the Gods]]. Overall, it seems clear enough that the merit of keeping this work at Wikibooks was never even discussed or assessed in the first place; an overbroad claim was simply initially presented that it ''wholly consists of a translation of Fengshen Yanyi ... with no annotations to make it an annotated text for suitable inclusion'', which went unchallenged as the work was straightforwardly transwikied to Wikisource, but this is shown to be incorrect: rather, it contains extensive chapter summaries and an explanatory "Categorization of Events" for each chapter, and is ''not'', by all evidence, a verbatim translation of the original Chinese work (if it was such, it could simply be hosted on English Wikisource, which allows for such translations). ISTM that Wikibooks is the most suitable Wikimedia project for hosting this particular content of clear educational value, given its existing policies on hosting both instructional texts in general and "annotated" works specifically. (For example, [[Wikibooks:What is Wikibooks?#What is Wikibooks]] explicitly allows for "extensive book summaries" when they're about a historically notable work of literature. The in-context example is Shakespeare, but considering a work of Chinese literature such as the ''Fengshen Yanyi'' instead only strengthens the case for inclusion.) --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27371-40|&#126;2025-27371-40]] ([[User talk:&#126;2025-27371-40|talk]]) 12:12, 1 December 2025 (UTC) :Noting here for transparency that this was requested on [[Wikibooks:Requests for import#Import request: Investiture of the Gods]], but instead of being imported here, it was imported to Wikiversity by Koavf. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 04:18, 22 March 2026 (UTC) == [[Character Encodings]] == *I didn't see the deletion discussion, as the latest author of this wikibook. <s>I want to know what work could be done to fix this, if it was restored.</s> I see that it needs content outside of code tables for it to be valid- if restored, I will add pages for MS-DOS, HP, and EBCDIC. What else needs to be done? If restoring is impossible, I at least want to view it.[[User:Alexlatham96|Alexlatham96]] ([[User talk:Alexlatham96|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alexlatham96|contribs]]) 21:37, 9 March 2026 (UTC) **Maybe this can be merged into [[Introduction to Computer Information Systems]] or something similar. [[User:Alexlatham96|Alexlatham96]] ([[User talk:Alexlatham96|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alexlatham96|contribs]]) 21:44, 9 March 2026 (UTC) **:Hi, [[User:Alexlatham96|Alexlatham96]]. I closed a [[Special:Diff/4622001|recent deletion discussion]] about the book, because: {{tq|Was never fleshed out into a proper book and consists only of code tables}}. I'll ping @[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] here if they have a second opinion, and because they created the discussion (that never had any participation). There were hundreds of pages in this book that will take some time to restore. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 00:32, 10 March 2026 (UTC) **::Chiming in here to elaborate on my reasoning! Per [[WB:WIW]], {{tq|as a general rule, only instructional books are suitable for inclusion. Non-fictional books (as well as fictional ones) that aren't instructional aren't allowed on Wikibooks}}. Examples of nonfictional books that aren't instructional/allowed include reference works like dictionaries, which are only really allowed as part of larger instructional books and not on their own. Based on the contents I saw here, the content was solely reference materials and not instructional materials. I see no problem with consolidating and migrating the content to something like a useful appendix as part of another book. Cheers —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 18:15, 11 March 2026 (UTC) **:::Note that these pages were created as transwiki back in late 2024 from Wikipedia (and they were deleted afterwards), and since these were deleted now from WikiBooks, they're no longer visible (also, they're still deleted from Wikipedia). However, "Wayback Machine" seems to have a copy of it, but it may not be complete. **:::If a restoration here isn't possible, what should be done instead? **:::[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-15548-70|&#126;2026-15548-70]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-15548-70|talk]]) 19:03, 11 March 2026 (UTC) **::::This was actually created in an earlier transwiki from Wikipedia (there were two)<s>-</s> the first being in July 2020. I support the proposal to make it an appendix to Introduction to Computer Information Systems or something similar.[[User:Alexlatham96|Alexlatham96]] ([[User talk:Alexlatham96|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alexlatham96|contribs]]) 20:15, 11 March 2026 (UTC) **:::::{{ping|Alexlatham96}} which pages would you want to be undeleted? I can help. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 22:19, 11 March 2026 (UTC) **::::::Let's start with the MS-DOS (code page numbers 3846 and lower) and HP code tables section, because these were the most recently transwikied (people will be especially looking for code pages 775, 852, 855, 857, and 860). Once this is done, we can do the EBCDIC code tables, which were also transwikied (and I finished adding what was planned for Wikipedia).[[User:Alexlatham96|Alexlatham96]] ([[User talk:Alexlatham96|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alexlatham96|contribs]]) 00:17, 12 March 2026 (UTC) **:::::::I've undeleted all HP code table sections, and to clarify, do you want ALL MS-DOS sections lower than 3846 (including undeleting those in the 100-700 range) to be undeleted? [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 00:31, 12 March 2026 (UTC) **::::::::Yes, including 3846. [[User:Alexlatham96|Alexlatham96]] ([[User talk:Alexlatham96|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alexlatham96|contribs]]) 00:55, 12 March 2026 (UTC) **:::::::::{{done|All done}}. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 02:29, 12 March 2026 (UTC) **::::::::::Great. Let me know when you have time to undelete the EBCDIC section- people will be looking for code pages 37, 500, 875, and 1026 especially.[[User:Alexlatham96|Alexlatham96]] ([[User talk:Alexlatham96|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alexlatham96|contribs]]) 22:10, 12 March 2026 (UTC) **::::::::::Update: also the two in the ISO section- these are standards.[[User:Alexlatham96|Alexlatham96]] ([[User talk:Alexlatham96|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alexlatham96|contribs]]) 06:29, 14 March 2026 (UTC) ***Thank you. I also see that the old administrator is inactive, and never found out about this. There <s>will</s> may have to be a new administrator other than me, since I am not one on Wikipedia or Wikibooks. <s>Does another user with knowledge of the topic like Drmccreedy or HarJIT have admin powers?</s>[[User:Alexlatham96|Alexlatham96]] ([[User talk:Alexlatham96|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alexlatham96|contribs]]) 03:34, 10 March 2026 (UTC) ***Update: I found out they do not have admin rights, but can still do non-admin tasks. The authors of Unicode's legacy encoding proposals (latest being L2-26/077) could also help out if they're active here.[[User:Alexlatham96|Alexlatham96]] ([[User talk:Alexlatham96|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alexlatham96|contribs]]) 03:55, 10 March 2026 (UTC) == Markdown == The page [[Markdown]] was short but pretty sweet. It showed Markdown features by example and contained decent external links. He who would want to expand the page had the option. I find the page to be a minimum useful product/artifact, to be ideally restored. For reference, [https://web.archive.org/web/20250427011600/https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Markdown the page in Wayback Machine]. --[[User:Dan Polansky|Dan Polansky]] ([[User talk:Dan Polansky|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dan Polansky|contribs]]) 15:36, 5 May 2026 (UTC) : {{courtesy ping}} to [[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] who marked the page for speedy deletion. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 19:00, 5 May 2026 (UTC) ::@[[User:Codename Noreste|Codename Noreste]] thank you! I think for me this relates to recent on-wiki discussions we've been having in the sense that I don't think it makes sense to host any content that could theoretically be improved by someone at some time in the future. Even if the content is valid (which it seems to be!), the work is not set up to be book-like, I don't think it's in scope here, and I can't see someone coming around and turning it into a book within a reasonable time frame. Does this help? —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 12:42, 8 May 2026 (UTC) ::: {{courtesy ping}} to [[User:Dan Polansky|Dan Polansky]]. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 16:28, 8 May 2026 (UTC) ::: {{Ping|Kittycataclysm}} The content is not book-like, but I do not recall this having been a requirement in Wikibooks (despite the name). If there is a requirement that the content should be book-like, it should be made into a policy. I created other pages that were instructional with no chance of being book-like in the past. Some examples of non-book-like pages include [[less]], [[grep]] and [[sed]]. ::: The content is minimum useful artifact for the head and is instructional. ::: Either way, can you please at least restore the content in my user space? --[[User:Dan Polansky|Dan Polansky]] ([[User talk:Dan Polansky|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dan Polansky|contribs]]) 06:15, 18 May 2026 (UTC) ::::@[[User:Dan Polansky|Dan Polansky]] language in policy does refer to Wikibooks content as book-like. For example, per [[WB:WIW]]: ::::* {{tq|"The site should primarily be used for developing textbooks, textbook-like books, and supporting book-based instructional materials"}} ::::* {{tq|"As a general rule, only instructional books are suitable for inclusion"}} ::::* {{tq|"Wikibooks includes both minor and major book-like projects"}} ::::For other admins: if I am missing something obvious, please let me know. —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 00:43, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::::: {{Ping|Kittycataclysm}} Thank you. I note: 1) it says "primarily", which means "not exclusively"; 2) "instructional materials" is much broader than books. ::::: Moreover, I checked [https://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks:What_is_Wikibooks%3F&oldid=3797401 2021 version] of the policy and did not find the text you are quoting. When was the text introduced, by what process and who approved the text? --[[User:Dan Polansky|Dan Polansky]] ([[User talk:Dan Polansky|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dan Polansky|contribs]]) 04:25, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::::: Part of the answer lies in [https://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks:What_is_Wikibooks%3F&diff=prev&oldid=4377929 this edit] of yours from 9 March 2024, which does not trace to a discussion or a vote, but traces to [[Wikibooks:Policies and guidelines]]. However, [[Wikibooks:Policies and guidelines]] is not marked as a policy. ::::: Be it as it may, it does not answer my question: where is the evidence of consensus for the changes, minimally in the form of a discussion, and ideally in the form of a request for comments or a vote? ::::: Let me also ask from the point of view of examining other examples that I already brought up: is it your view that [[less]], [[sed]] and [[grep]] should be deleted as non-books, too short to be considered books? ::::: Let me also ask about the ''process'': why was RFD not used and instead speedy was used? From what I recall, Wikibooks used to delete subpar content via RFD, including all those outlines with no content proper. --[[User:Dan Polansky|Dan Polansky]] ([[User talk:Dan Polansky|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dan Polansky|contribs]]) 04:41, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::@[[User:Dan Polansky|Dan Polansky]] ::::::# That's a good catch about the March 9 edit—I can't recall why I made that decision, but I think you're right that moving text from a non-policy page to a policy page without discussion is not appropriate. My understanding is that the general sentiment is still correct, but we'll need more community discussion to officially integrate it into policy. ::::::# Regarding the other examples you listed: assuming the book-like requirement is the community consensus, I don't think they can stand on their own, but it might be possible to turn them into a more cohesive book. ::::::# Regarding the process, I flagged for speedy deletion because I was on the fence about whether it was a speedy or an RFD—in these cases, I usually flag for another admin to review instead of making the deletion myself. ::::::Since this is getting more into community consensus territory, I am looping in other active users and admins to weigh in @[[User:Atcovi|Atcovi]] @[[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] @[[User:Xania|Xania]] @[[User:MarcGarver|MarcGarver]] @[[User:SHB2000|SHB2000]] @[[User:Omphalographer|Omphalographer]] @[[User:JJPMaster|JJPMaster]]. Cheers —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 13:04, 20 May 2026 (UTC) ::::::: @Kittycataclysm: Thank you for this response. And let me also thank you for your clean-up effort at Wikibooks; hardly anyone wants to do that and you seem to be doing quite a lot of it. --[[User:Dan Polansky|Dan Polansky]] ([[User talk:Dan Polansky|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dan Polansky|contribs]]) 13:56, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::Wikibooks has never been heavy on written policies and tends to operate in line with what the current active community thinks is right. This isn't unusual, many small projects work like that. So getting hung up on who edited a policy and whether it was approved isn't really important - there have been many proposals put forward to amend WIW, and you need to search to find them as they are buried in different talk pages and project pages - what's important is what the community wants to do now. For what it is worth it is pretty clear from its very inception that the intention of Wikibooks was to host textbooks (see [[m:Talk:Science_Hypertextbook_project]]). That doesn't preclude the community from changing its mind, now or in the future. [[User:MarcGarver|MarcGarver]] ([[User talk:MarcGarver|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MarcGarver|contribs]]) 15:23, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: 1) This use of the word "community" (instead of e.g. "editors") is a huge red flag. 2) The above attitude allows for a manipulation of the project, especially by people who are more interested in exercising their power than contributing any useful content. If there really is a consensus of the "current active community" (whatever that is supposed to mean), that current community should not have any difficulty passing it through a request for comment or a vote. From my experience, projects that disregard policies start to get controlled by bad actors, often actors who do not have the skill to do any content work so they natually tend toward mere administrators (also known by Steve Jobs as bozos). --[[User:Dan Polansky|Dan Polansky]] ([[User talk:Dan Polansky|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dan Polansky|contribs]]) 07:06, 23 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::My thoughts are mostly with Marc's and Leaderboard's here. --[[User:SHB2000|SHB2000]] ([[User talk:SHB2000|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/SHB2000|contribs]]) 22:57, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :I think the book does not qualify in its current state (but as a draft, wouldn't have qualified for deletion either). Markdown is indeed a language without a lot to write; however, I think the book is too small as written. The fact that it's only a single page is fine. [[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] ([[User talk:Leaderboard|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Leaderboard|contribs]]) 13:08, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :: But ''why'' does it not qualify, given it shows the most important features of Markup by example? (It is not a book and probably never will be. It is too short for that and will be too short, even if expanded.) --[[User:Dan Polansky|Dan Polansky]] ([[User talk:Dan Polansky|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dan Polansky|contribs]]) 13:14, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::It's too brief in my opinion. A Wikibook tends to have significantly more detail, even if it's just one page. I think the book can absolutely be expanded in a form that will allow it to stay here. [[User:Leaderboard|Leaderboard]] ([[User talk:Leaderboard|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Leaderboard|contribs]]) 14:15, 20 May 2026 (UTC) :::: Brief for what purpose or objective? As a user of Markdown, I want to know the answer to the following questions: 1) What is the core syntax of Markdown (so that I can use it productively)? 2) What are some of the best external sources about Markdown? 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Nxe5 == White picks up the undefended pawn. This is the classical continuation of Petrov's defence aka the Russian game. Before Black can recover the pawn, they must drive White's knight away, or else choose to gambit it. === Recover the pawn === The natural move [[/3...Nxe4|'''3...Nxe4!?''']], the '''Damiano variation''', doesn't actually recover the pawn, as after 4. Qe2 Black runs into difficulties with pins on the open e-file. The classic beginner's trap is 4...Nf6?? 5. Nc6+, winning Black's queen. (Instead, Black can sacrifice the pawn in this line. See below.) Therefore, in order to recover the pawn, Black has to drive White's knight away first. [[/3...d6|'''3...d6''']] 4. Nf3 Nxe4 is the '''main line'''. Without White's knight on the e-file, should White play 5. Qe2 Black may defuse it with 5...Qe7, defending and unpinning the knight. === Gambit the pawn === [[/3...Nc6|'''3...Nc6?!''']] is the most "in vogue" at amateur levels: the explosive '''Stafford gambit'''. After 4. Nxc6 dxc6, Black has sacrificed their pawn but opened the position, ready to play ...Bc5 and ...Ng4 for a swift attack on White's f2 square. Black may also give up the pawn with [[/3...Nxe4|'''3...Nxe4!?''']] 4. Qe2 Qe7, the Kholmov gambit. After 5. Qxe4 d6 6. d4 dxe5 7. dxe5 (trading knights) Nc6, it's often too perilous for White to hold onto the extra pawn. [[/3...d5|'''3...d5?''']] is a gambit favoured by [[w:Baadur Jobava|Baadur Jobava]]. == Theory table == {{ChessTable}} '''1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Nxe5''' <table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4"> <tr> <th></th> <th align="left">3</th> <th align="left">4</th> </tr> <tr> <th align="right">Classical Variation<br>(Main Line)</th> <td>...<br>[[/3...d6|d6]]</td> <td>[[/3...d6/4. Nf3|Nf3]]<br>[[/3...d6/4. Nf3/4...Nxe4|Nxe4]]</td> <td>=</td> </tr> <tr> <th align="right">Damiano Variation</th> <td>...<br>[[/3...Nxe4|Nxe4]]</td> <td>[[/3...Nxe4/4. Qe2|Qe2]]<br>[[/3...Nxe4/4. Qe2/4...Qe7|Qe7]]</td> <td>+/-</td> </tr> <tr> <th align="right">Stafford Gambit</th> <td>...<br>[[/3...Nc6|Nc6]]</td> <td>[[/3...Nc6/4. Nxc6|Nxc6]]<br>[[/3...Nc6/4. Nxc6/4...dxc6|dxc6]]</td> <td>+</td> </tr> </table> {{ChessMid}} == References == {{reflist}} === See also === {{wikipedia|Petrov Defence}} {{BCO2}} {{Chess Opening Theory/Footer}} qy67ph6r08rpj9ijqjbdfeb7n5rrrfw 0 104069 4637098 4627674 2026-05-23T00:56:48Z Pizzapizzapotato 3562850 /* 2...d6 · Philidor defence */ spelling mistake 4637098 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Chess Opening Theory/Position |Philidor defence |parent=[[../|King's knight opening]] }} == 2...d6 · Philidor defence == Black defends their e5 pawn with '''2...d6''', sparing a piece from being saddled with the job. Though solid, this is considered a more passive reply than 2...Nc6, as Black does not develop a piece and Black's pawn chain will get in the way of developing their dark square bishop. [[/3. d4|'''3. d4''']] is the main line, threatening to immediately crack open the centre with dxe5. White imagines a continuation like 3...Bg4?! 4. dxe5 dxe5? 5. Qxd8+ Kxd8 6. Nxe5 Be6 +- (White is up material and controls the centre, while Black has lost castling rights). After 3. d4, Black's best approaches are to give up their centre and open the game with 3...exd4, the Exchange variation, or to hold on to e5 and keep the tension with 3...Nd7, the Hanham variation. Black's most [[wikipedia:Romantic chess|Romantic]] reply is 3...f5?!, the Philidor countergambit. [[/3. Bc4|'''3. Bc4''']] is an alternative for White. White may just follow with d4 anyway and transpose, or they may wish to play less confrontationally with d3, ensuring their bishop isn't hemmed in by their pawn chain first. '''3. Nc3''' is another alternative, followed by either Be2, intending to castle short, or Bf4 and Qd2 to castle long. === History === 2...d6 was recommended as an alternative to defending the pawn with 2...Nc6 by 16th century chess theoretician [[wikipedia:Ruy López de Segura|Ruy López de Segura]], in order to avoid the reply 3. Bb5 (i.e. the [[Chess Opening Theory/1. e4/1...e5/2. Nf3/2...Nc6/3. Bb5|Spanish opening]]) which he believed favoured White. It is named for [[wikipedia:François-André Danican Philidor|François-André Danican Philidor]], the 18th century chess master, who advocated 2...d6 with the continuation 3. d4 f5?!, the Philidor countergambit, to assault White's centre. Philidor disliked moves like 2...Nc6 for impeding the advance the c- or f-pawns that he thought was more critical, advising: <blockquote>''Il faut se garder de le jouer a la troisième case de fon fou, avant que le pion de ce fon, tait ete poussè deux pas, parce qu'autrement le cavalier empecherait sa marche.''<br>[Great care must be taken not to play the Knight to his Bishop's third square, before the Bishop's Pawn has been pushed two steps because, otherwise, the Knight would prove an hindrance to the motion of the Pawn.]<br>-Philidor<ref>{{Cite book |title=Analyse du jeu des échecs; nouvelle édition, considérablement augmentée |last=Philidor |first=F. D. |year=1777 |edition=2nd |location=London |language=French |url=https://archive.org/details/bim_eighteenth-century_analyse-du-jeu-des-chec_philidor-f-d-franco_1777}}</ref>{{rp|3}} [contemporary translation]<ref>{{Cite book |title=Analysis of the game of chess |last=Philidor |first=F. D. |publisher=P Elmsley |year=1790 |location=London |language=English |url=https://archive.org/details/bim_eighteenth-century_analysis-of-the-game-of-_philidor-f-d-franco_1790_1 |volume=1}}</ref>{{rp|3}}</blockquote> In 1858 it was employed unsuccessfully by the Duke of Brunswick and Comte Isougard in their game against [[Wikipedia:Paul Morphy|Paul Morphy]]. The [[Wikipedia:Opera Game|Opera Game]], as it is called, is widely used as an illustrative game in chess pedagogy today.<ref>{{cite book |author=Chessgames.com|date=2023|title=Paul Morphy vs Duke Karl / Count Isouard|url=https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1233404 }}</ref> Its popularity declined in the 20th century and it is no longer seen at the top levels of chess. == Theory table == {{ChessTable}} {{Chess/theory table |line1=3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 Be7 6. Bf4 O-O 7. Qd2 Nc6 8. O-O-O Nxd4 9. Qxd4 Be6 |name1=Exchange Philidor |eval1={{Chess/not|+}} |line2=3. ... Nd7 4. Bc4 c6 5. O-O Be7 6. dxe5 dxe5 7. Ng5 Bxg5 8. Qh5 Qe7 9. Qxg5 Qxg5 10. Bxg5 Ngf6 |name2=Hanham variation |eval2={{Chess/not|++}} |line3=3. ... Nf6 4. dxe5 Nxe4 5. Qd5 Nc5 6. Bg5 Qd7 7. exd6 Bxd6 8. Nc3 O-O 9. O-O-O |name3=Nimzowitsch variation |eval3={{chess/not|+}} |line4=3. Bc4 Be7 4. d4 exd4 5. Nxd4 Nf6 6. Nc3 O-O 7. O-O c6 |eval4={{chess/not|+}} }} {{ChessMid}} ==References== {{reflist}} === See also === {{wikipedia|Philidor Defence}} * Youtube: ** [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4bp4qlRqGg ''Introduction to the Philidor Defense.''] - HangingPawns. ** [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WztzXJuLo0 ''Learn to play the Philidor Defense!''] - TheChessGiant. {{Chess Opening Theory/Footer}} b5kymoe5bcobkqsoj0s512u1qaeub9l 0 104536 4637106 4614490 2026-05-23T01:31:30Z Y7at7Y 3582263 Added moves. 4637106 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Chess Opening Theory/Position |King's gambit accepted |eco=[[Chess/ECOC|C33]] |parent=[[../|King's gambit]] }} == 2...exf4 · King's gambit accepted == If Black could make a free move in this position, it would undoubtedly be ...Qh4+. White couldn't successfully block the check with the g-pawn thanks to the Black pawn on f4, and the awkward move Ke2 would be forced. How should White deal with the threat? There are two main approaches, 3. Nf3 and 3. Bc4. === Prevent ...Qh4+ === [[/3. Nf3|'''3. Nf3''']] is the most obvious approach: control the h4 square and develop a piece to its most active square. This is called the '''king's knight gambit'''. Now, White at last threatens to play d4, taking over the centre and discovering an attack on f4 to recover the pawn, and Black has a wide range of ways to play. Unusual approaches (that you probably should not play) include: * [[/3. Qg4|'''3. Qg4?''']], the '''Dodo variation''', is an eccentric also-ran where White's queen guards h4 directly while threatening to take on f4. If Black gives the pawn back they should have an easy time, exploiting White's queen for tempi. * [[/3. h4|'''3. h4''']], the '''Stamma variation''', controls h4 with the rook so disallowing ...Qh4+. It is, however, another pawn move, giving Black the time to get ahead in development and perhaps deny White the chance to play d4 at all, which was the whole point of the exercise. 3...Nf6 4. Nc3 Nc6 5. Nf3 Bb4{{chess/not|--}}. === Allow ...Qh4+ === [[/3. Bc4|'''3. Bc4''']] is the '''bishop's gambit'''. This develops the bishop to an active square and gives White's king another square to move to, preparing to answer 3...Qh4+ with 4. Kf1, and then to gain tempo on the queen with Nf3. More common replies for Black are 3...Nf6 and 3...d5. Lots of other third moves that allow 3...Qh4+ for White have been tried but are not good. Those include [[/3. d4|'''3. d4?!''']], the '''Villemson gambit''', and [[/3. Nc3|'''3. Nc3?''']], the '''Mason-Keres gambit''', but 3...Qh4+ 4. Ke2 leaves White's king too weak. There are a couple of other ideas to allow ...Qh4+ but remove its sting: * [[/3. Qf3|'''3. Qf3?!''']], the '''Breyer gambit''', has the interesting plan to allow 3...Qh4+ but answer it 4. g3, as now after 4...fxg3 5. hxg3! and queen defends both the pawn and the rook. * [[/3. Nh3|'''3. Nh3?!''']], the '''Eisenberg variation''', is cute, intending 3...Qh4+ 4. Nf2. * [[Chess Opening Theory/1. e4/1...e5/2. f4/2...exf4/3. Be2|'''3. Be2''']], the '''Tartakower gambit''', provides an escape square for the white king on f1. * '''[[Chess Opening Theory/1. e4/1...e5/2. f4/2...exf4/3. Qe2|3. Qe2?!]]''', the '''Basman gambit''', provides an escape square for the white king on d1 but blocks the bishop on f1. === Bad moves === The moves below have names but are awful should probably not be played. * 3. g3?, the Gaga gambit. White stops Qh4+ and attacks the pawn on f4 but at the cost of an isolated g-pawn after 3...fxg3 4. hxg3. * 3. Bd3? and 3. Bb5? are both called the Schurig gambit, with Bd3 and with Bb5, respectively. White develops their bishops to bad squares but provides a square for the white king to go to, f1. * 3. Qh5?, the Carrera gambit, stops Qh4+ and hopes for 3...g6?? 4. Qe5++-, but the queen is misplaced and 3...Nf6 attacks it. * 3. Ne2?, the Paris gambit. After 3...Qh4+, 4. g3 is defended by the knight on e2, but after 4...fxg3 5. Nxg3 the misplaced knight is in an awkward pin. * 3. Kf2?, the Tumbleweed gambit, aims to sacrifice multiple pawns for a lead in development: 3...Qh4+ 4. g3 fxg3 5. Kg2 Qxe4+, but White's king is unsafe. * 3. b3?, the Orsini gambit, is very bad and pointless. White aims to put their bishop on b2, but 3...Qh4+ 4. Ke2 d5 stops that as 5. Bb2?? Bg4+ 6. Nf3 dxe4-+ sends White to ruins. ==Theory table== {{Chess Opening Theory/Table}} '''1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4''' <table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4"> <tr> <th></th> <th align="left"><span style="font-size:small;">3</span></th> <th align="left"><span style="font-size:small;">4</span></th> <th align="left"><span style="font-size:small;">5</span></th> <th align="left"><span style="font-size:small;">6</span></th> <th align="left"><span style="font-size:small;">7</span></th> </tr> <tr> <th align="right">King's Knight Gambit</th> <td>[[/3. Nf3|Nf3]]<br>g5</td> <td>h4<br>g4</td> <td>Ne5<br>Nf6</td> <td>d4<br>d6</td> <td>Nd3<br>Nxe4</td> <td>∞</td> </tr> <tr> <th align="right">King's Bishop Gambit</th> <td>[[/3. Bc4|Bc4]]<br>...</td> <td>=</td> </tr> <tr> <th align="right">Lesser Bishop's Gambit</th> <td>[[/3. Be2|Be2]]<br>...</td> <td></td> </tr><tr><th>Villemson Gambit</th><td>[[/3. d4|d4?!]] Qh4+ </td><td></td></tr><tr> <th align="right">Mason Gambit</th> <td>[[/3. Nc3|Nc3?!]]<br>-</td> <td></td> </tr> <tr> <th align="right">Breyer Gambit</th> <td>[[/3. Qf3|Qf3?!]]<br>-</td> <td>=/+</td> </tr> <tr> <th align="right">King's Own Gambit</th> <td>[[/3. Kf2|Kf2?!]]<br>Qh4+</td> <td>g3<br>fxg3</td> <td>Kg2<br>Qxe4+</td> <td>-/+</td> </tr> </table> {{ChessMid}} ==References== {{reflist}} === See also === {{wikipedia|King's Gambit}} {{BCO2}} ==External links== * 365Chess. [http://www.365chess.com/opening.php?m=4&n=91&ms=e4.e5.f4&ns=3.5.91 1. e4 e5 2. f4] * chessgames. [http://www.chessgames.com/perl/explorer?node=101115&move=2.5&moves=e4.e5.f4&nodes=21720.21721.1011151.21722.21723.24145.24146 1. e4 e5 2. f4] {{Chess Opening Theory/Footer}} cytbd5rlj5e3jz9spjfsjms5fsyg4l7 4637107 4637106 2026-05-23T01:32:43Z Y7at7Y 3582263 Grammatical error. 4637107 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Chess Opening Theory/Position |King's gambit accepted |eco=[[Chess/ECOC|C33]] |parent=[[../|King's gambit]] }} == 2...exf4 · King's gambit accepted == If Black could make a free move in this position, it would undoubtedly be ...Qh4+. White couldn't successfully block the check with the g-pawn thanks to the Black pawn on f4, and the awkward move Ke2 would be forced. How should White deal with the threat? There are two main approaches, 3. Nf3 and 3. Bc4. === Prevent ...Qh4+ === [[/3. Nf3|'''3. Nf3''']] is the most obvious approach: control the h4 square and develop a piece to its most active square. This is called the '''king's knight gambit'''. Now, White at last threatens to play d4, taking over the centre and discovering an attack on f4 to recover the pawn, and Black has a wide range of ways to play. Unusual approaches (that you probably should not play) include: * [[/3. Qg4|'''3. Qg4?''']], the '''Dodo variation''', is an eccentric also-ran where White's queen guards h4 directly while threatening to take on f4. If Black gives the pawn back they should have an easy time, exploiting White's queen for tempi. * [[/3. h4|'''3. h4''']], the '''Stamma variation''', controls h4 with the rook so disallowing ...Qh4+. It is, however, another pawn move, giving Black the time to get ahead in development and perhaps deny White the chance to play d4 at all, which was the whole point of the exercise. 3...Nf6 4. Nc3 Nc6 5. Nf3 Bb4{{chess/not|--}}. === Allow ...Qh4+ === [[/3. Bc4|'''3. Bc4''']] is the '''bishop's gambit'''. This develops the bishop to an active square and gives White's king another square to move to, preparing to answer 3...Qh4+ with 4. Kf1, and then to gain tempo on the queen with Nf3. More common replies for Black are 3...Nf6 and 3...d5. Lots of other third moves that allow 3...Qh4+ for White have been tried but are not good. Those include [[/3. d4|'''3. d4?!''']], the '''Villemson gambit''', and [[/3. Nc3|'''3. Nc3?''']], the '''Mason-Keres gambit''', but 3...Qh4+ 4. Ke2 leaves White's king too weak. There are a couple of other ideas to allow ...Qh4+ but remove its sting: * [[/3. Qf3|'''3. Qf3?!''']], the '''Breyer gambit''', has the interesting plan to allow 3...Qh4+ but answer it 4. g3, as now after 4...fxg3 5. hxg3! and queen defends both the pawn and the rook. * [[/3. Nh3|'''3. Nh3?!''']], the '''Eisenberg variation''', is cute, intending 3...Qh4+ 4. Nf2. * [[Chess Opening Theory/1. e4/1...e5/2. f4/2...exf4/3. Be2|'''3. Be2''']], the '''Tartakower gambit''', provides an escape square for the white king on f1. * '''[[Chess Opening Theory/1. e4/1...e5/2. f4/2...exf4/3. Qe2|3. Qe2?!]]''', the '''Basman gambit''', provides an escape square for the white king on d1 but blocks the bishop on f1. === Bad moves === The moves below have names but are awful and should probably not be played. * 3. g3?, the Gaga gambit. White stops Qh4+ and attacks the pawn on f4 but at the cost of an isolated g-pawn after 3...fxg3 4. hxg3. * 3. Bd3? and 3. Bb5? are both called the Schurig gambit, with Bd3 and with Bb5, respectively. White develops their bishops to bad squares but provides a square for the white king to go to, f1. * 3. Qh5?, the Carrera gambit, stops Qh4+ and hopes for 3...g6?? 4. Qe5++-, but the queen is misplaced and 3...Nf6 attacks it. * 3. Ne2?, the Paris gambit. After 3...Qh4+, 4. g3 is defended by the knight on e2, but after 4...fxg3 5. Nxg3 the misplaced knight is in an awkward pin. * 3. Kf2?, the Tumbleweed gambit, aims to sacrifice multiple pawns for a lead in development: 3...Qh4+ 4. g3 fxg3 5. Kg2 Qxe4+, but White's king is unsafe. * 3. b3?, the Orsini gambit, is very bad and pointless. White aims to put their bishop on b2, but 3...Qh4+ 4. Ke2 d5 stops that as 5. Bb2?? Bg4+ 6. Nf3 dxe4-+ sends White to ruins. ==Theory table== {{Chess Opening Theory/Table}} '''1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4''' <table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4"> <tr> <th></th> <th align="left"><span style="font-size:small;">3</span></th> <th align="left"><span style="font-size:small;">4</span></th> <th align="left"><span style="font-size:small;">5</span></th> <th align="left"><span style="font-size:small;">6</span></th> <th align="left"><span style="font-size:small;">7</span></th> </tr> <tr> <th align="right">King's Knight Gambit</th> <td>[[/3. Nf3|Nf3]]<br>g5</td> <td>h4<br>g4</td> <td>Ne5<br>Nf6</td> <td>d4<br>d6</td> <td>Nd3<br>Nxe4</td> <td>∞</td> </tr> <tr> <th align="right">King's Bishop Gambit</th> <td>[[/3. Bc4|Bc4]]<br>...</td> <td>=</td> </tr> <tr> <th align="right">Lesser Bishop's Gambit</th> <td>[[/3. Be2|Be2]]<br>...</td> <td></td> </tr><tr><th>Villemson Gambit</th><td>[[/3. d4|d4?!]] Qh4+ </td><td></td></tr><tr> <th align="right">Mason Gambit</th> <td>[[/3. Nc3|Nc3?!]]<br>-</td> <td></td> </tr> <tr> <th align="right">Breyer Gambit</th> <td>[[/3. Qf3|Qf3?!]]<br>-</td> <td>=/+</td> </tr> <tr> <th align="right">King's Own Gambit</th> <td>[[/3. Kf2|Kf2?!]]<br>Qh4+</td> <td>g3<br>fxg3</td> <td>Kg2<br>Qxe4+</td> <td>-/+</td> </tr> </table> {{ChessMid}} ==References== {{reflist}} === See also === {{wikipedia|King's Gambit}} {{BCO2}} ==External links== * 365Chess. [http://www.365chess.com/opening.php?m=4&n=91&ms=e4.e5.f4&ns=3.5.91 1. e4 e5 2. f4] * chessgames. [http://www.chessgames.com/perl/explorer?node=101115&move=2.5&moves=e4.e5.f4&nodes=21720.21721.1011151.21722.21723.24145.24146 1. e4 e5 2. f4] {{Chess Opening Theory/Footer}} ox838hi4nd2u146a8acs5y9pa8n33mf 4 140081 4637025 4637012 2026-05-22T12:28:21Z Kittycataclysm 3371989 /* Sharmasejal reported by MathXplore */ Reply 4637025 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Discussion Rooms}} {{shortcut|WB:AN|WB:AA}} {{TOC left}} {{User:MiszaBot/config |archive = Wikibooks:Reading room/Administrative Assistance/Archives/%(year)d/%(monthname)s |algo = old(14d) |counter = 1 |minthreadstoarchive = 1 |minthreadsleft = 1 }} {{ombox|type=content|text='''To request a rename or usurpation''', go to the global request page at Meta [[meta:SRUC|here]].<br />''Please do not post those requests here!''}} {{Clear}} Welcome to the '''Administrative Assistance reading room'''. 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All three links should be deleted / removed as the destination pages in the en.wikibook do not have any data but instead normal prose. - [[User:Larsnooden|Larsnooden]] ([[User talk:Larsnooden|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Larsnooden|contribs]]) 05:15, 4 May 2026 (UTC) :Same for Q139806271, Q139806269, Q139806266, Q139806265, Q139806264, Q139806263, Q139806262, Q139806261, Q139806260, Q139806258, Q139806256, Q139806255, Q139625509, Q139611668, and Q139611580. There seems to be some new kind of vandalism going on. Perhaps there is a better page to report it on instead of this one? • [[User:Larsnooden|Larsnooden]] ([[User talk:Larsnooden|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Larsnooden|contribs]]) 17:37, 17 May 2026 (UTC) :: @[[User:Larsnooden|Larsnooden]] Given that this situation is happening on Wikidata, there is nothing that English Wikibooks admins can do. Please report this matter to the Wikidata administrators. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 18:13, 17 May 2026 (UTC) == Pizzazilla1 reported by MathXplore == * {{userlinks|Pizzazilla1}} Spam <!-- USERREPORTED:/Pizzazilla1/ --> [[User:MathXplore|MathXplore]] ([[User talk:MathXplore|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MathXplore|contribs]]) 12:20, 8 May 2026 (UTC) :Done. //[[User:SHB2000|SHB2000]] ([[User talk:SHB2000|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/SHB2000|contribs]]) 00:31, 9 May 2026 (UTC) == ~2026-28014-44 reported by MathXplore == * {{userlinks|~2026-28014-44}} Vandalism <!-- USERREPORTED:/~2026-28014-44/ --> [[User:MathXplore|MathXplore]] ([[User talk:MathXplore|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MathXplore|contribs]]) 01:02, 9 May 2026 (UTC) : I blocked the underlying range. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 16:40, 10 May 2026 (UTC) == Omran Tokhi Nickname OT7 reported by MathXplore == * {{userlinks|Omran Tokhi Nickname OT7}} Long-term abuse. Spam / spambot. [[Special:CentralAuth/OmranTokhi7]] <!-- USERREPORTED:/Omran Tokhi Nickname OT7/ --> [[User:MathXplore|MathXplore]] ([[User talk:MathXplore|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MathXplore|contribs]]) 03:25, 10 May 2026 (UTC) :{{done}}. --[[User:SHB2000|SHB2000]] ([[User talk:SHB2000|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/SHB2000|contribs]]) 04:29, 10 May 2026 (UTC) == Can't log in :( == Xania here. I am logged in on Wikipedia but can't log in here even though it has always been automatic when switching between the two. Wikibooks seems to want me to authenticate myself via my authenticator app which I have not done before. Allows me to also use a recovery code which I do not have. How do I log in guys? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-28255-89|&#126;2026-28255-89]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-28255-89|talk]]) 18:15, 10 May 2026 (UTC) : I believe it might be the CheckUser permission requiring 2FA (on parity with interface administrators and oversighters) as that group has restrictions. You might need to temporarily request to the [[m:Stewards' noticeboard|stewards]] to remove CU access from your account to enable 2FA; however, since this project only has 2 CUs, [[User:MarcGarver|MarcGarver]]'s CU rights would be temporarily suspended. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 18:36, 10 May 2026 (UTC) : Thanks, I've left a notice on the Steward's board.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-28255-89|&#126;2026-28255-89]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-28255-89|talk]]) 18:59, 10 May 2026 (UTC) ::This happened before when your CU rights were removed because you hadn't enrolled in 2FA. I presume you must have enrolled to get the CU rights back. Are you really sure you've never used any authenticator here? [[User:MarcGarver|MarcGarver]] ([[User talk:MarcGarver|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MarcGarver|contribs]]) 11:49, 11 May 2026 (UTC) :::See [https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/User_talk:MarcGarver#Check_User previous discussion] from last year [[User:MarcGarver|MarcGarver]] ([[User talk:MarcGarver|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MarcGarver|contribs]]) 11:51, 11 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Thanks. Good to know. I had completely forgotten that discussion. I will have to install some old authenticators and see which works.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-28255-89|&#126;2026-28255-89]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-28255-89|talk]]) 17:09, 16 May 2026 (UTC) : Logged in finally. Seems I had recovery codes (totally forgotten about them) saved but no authenticator so each time I log in I'll need to use the codes.--[[User:Xania|Xania]] [[Image:Flag_of_Estonia.svg|15px]] [[Image:Flag_of_Ukraine.svg|15px]] [[User talk:Xania|^talk]] 17:54, 16 May 2026 (UTC) == Cs24jam2 reported by MathXplore == * {{userlinks|Cs24jam2}} Vandalism <!-- USERREPORTED:/Cs24jam2/ --> [[User:MathXplore|MathXplore]] ([[User talk:MathXplore|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MathXplore|contribs]]) 11:54, 11 May 2026 (UTC) :{{done}} by @[[User:Codename Noreste|Codename Noreste]] —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 16:58, 11 May 2026 (UTC) == Mnckhagaul reported by MathXplore == * {{userlinks|Mnckhagaul}} Spam <!-- USERREPORTED:/Mnckhagaul/ --> [[User:MathXplore|MathXplore]] ([[User talk:MathXplore|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MathXplore|contribs]]) 08:35, 16 May 2026 (UTC) : {{done}}. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 03:28, 17 May 2026 (UTC) == Vrindavanmathuratourpackages reported by MathXplore == * {{userlinks|Vrindavanmathuratourpackages}} Spam <!-- USERREPORTED:/Vrindavanmathuratourpackages/ --> [[User:MathXplore|MathXplore]] ([[User talk:MathXplore|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MathXplore|contribs]]) 12:13, 18 May 2026 (UTC) : {{done}}. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 15:28, 18 May 2026 (UTC) == Shawndavidsonosp2 reported by MathXplore == * {{userlinks|Shawndavidsonosp2}} Spam, [[Special:AbuseLog/312343]], [[Special:AbuseLog/312344]] <!-- USERREPORTED:/Shawndavidsonosp2/ --> [[User:MathXplore|MathXplore]] ([[User talk:MathXplore|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MathXplore|contribs]]) 12:10, 19 May 2026 (UTC) :This is not a spam. Its a discussion topic on Healthcare Software Development [[User:Shawndavidsonosp2|Shawndavidsonosp2]] ([[User talk:Shawndavidsonosp2|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Shawndavidsonosp2|contribs]]) 13:00, 19 May 2026 (UTC) : {{ping|MarcGarver|Xania}} (CU request) User:Shawndavidsonosp2 & User:Lunasora33 made link additions for osplabs.com ([https://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Information_Technology_and_Ethics/IT_and_Healthcare&diff=prev&oldid=4636437], [https://spamcheck.toolforge.org/by-domain?q=osplabs.com]) : {{ping|MarcGarver|SHB2000}} [[Special:CentralAuth/Rachvictor05]] & [[Special:CentralAuth/Emma_Joseph_Swift]] (Locked) also made link additions for osplabs.com ([https://spamcheck.toolforge.org/by-domain?q=osplabs.com]) [[User:MathXplore|MathXplore]] ([[User talk:MathXplore|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MathXplore|contribs]]) 13:46, 19 May 2026 (UTC) ::Clearly promotional accounts, both blocked. [[User:MarcGarver|MarcGarver]] ([[User talk:MarcGarver|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MarcGarver|contribs]]) 16:00, 19 May 2026 (UTC) :::and their spam domain added to the blacklist [[User:MarcGarver|MarcGarver]] ([[User talk:MarcGarver|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MarcGarver|contribs]]) 16:02, 19 May 2026 (UTC) == Banibrotechnologies reported by MathXplore == * {{userlinks|Banibrotechnologies}} Spam <!-- USERREPORTED:/Banibrotechnologies/ --> [[User:MathXplore|MathXplore]] ([[User talk:MathXplore|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MathXplore|contribs]]) 12:10, 19 May 2026 (UTC) : {{done}}. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 16:51, 19 May 2026 (UTC) == Texasanne12 reported by MathXplore == * {{userlinks|Texasanne12}} Link spam, [[Special:AbuseLog/312336]] <!-- USERREPORTED:/Texasanne12/ --> [[User:MathXplore|MathXplore]] ([[User talk:MathXplore|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MathXplore|contribs]]) 12:18, 19 May 2026 (UTC) :{{done}} —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 02:14, 20 May 2026 (UTC) == [[User:Me Lendroz]] (CU request) == {{ping|MarcGarver|Xania}} (this is related to previous CU, [[Wikibooks:Reading_room/Administrative_Assistance/Archives/2024/February#Alert_about_possible_evasion_of_previous_1-week_block_at_English_Wikibooks_(CU_needed?)]], [[Wikibooks:Reading_room/Administrative_Assistance/Archives/2024/August#Another_user_editing_User:Jay_Bolero's_user_page]]) <br> I found [[Special:Contributions/CarlessParking]] editing the user page of [[User:Me Lendroz]]. What do our CUs think about this? [[User:MathXplore|MathXplore]] ([[User talk:MathXplore|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MathXplore|contribs]]) 14:00, 19 May 2026 (UTC) :It's an obvious sock of Jay Bolero not least because the account has posted "my name is Karl Basallote" everywhere and "Basallote" matches the previous sock. I've blocked CarlessParking as this is an abusive use of multiple accounts. 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All three links should be deleted / removed as the destination pages in the en.wikibook do not have any data but instead normal prose. - [[User:Larsnooden|Larsnooden]] ([[User talk:Larsnooden|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Larsnooden|contribs]]) 05:15, 4 May 2026 (UTC) :Same for Q139806271, Q139806269, Q139806266, Q139806265, Q139806264, Q139806263, Q139806262, Q139806261, Q139806260, Q139806258, Q139806256, Q139806255, Q139625509, Q139611668, and Q139611580. There seems to be some new kind of vandalism going on. Perhaps there is a better page to report it on instead of this one? • [[User:Larsnooden|Larsnooden]] ([[User talk:Larsnooden|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Larsnooden|contribs]]) 17:37, 17 May 2026 (UTC) :: @[[User:Larsnooden|Larsnooden]] Given that this situation is happening on Wikidata, there is nothing that English Wikibooks admins can do. Please report this matter to the Wikidata administrators. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 18:13, 17 May 2026 (UTC) == ~2026-28014-44 reported by MathXplore == * {{userlinks|~2026-28014-44}} Vandalism <!-- USERREPORTED:/~2026-28014-44/ --> [[User:MathXplore|MathXplore]] ([[User talk:MathXplore|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MathXplore|contribs]]) 01:02, 9 May 2026 (UTC) : I blocked the underlying range. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 16:40, 10 May 2026 (UTC) == Omran Tokhi Nickname OT7 reported by MathXplore == * {{userlinks|Omran Tokhi Nickname OT7}} Long-term abuse. Spam / spambot. [[Special:CentralAuth/OmranTokhi7]] <!-- USERREPORTED:/Omran Tokhi Nickname OT7/ --> [[User:MathXplore|MathXplore]] ([[User talk:MathXplore|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MathXplore|contribs]]) 03:25, 10 May 2026 (UTC) :{{done}}. --[[User:SHB2000|SHB2000]] ([[User talk:SHB2000|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/SHB2000|contribs]]) 04:29, 10 May 2026 (UTC) == Can't log in :( == Xania here. I am logged in on Wikipedia but can't log in here even though it has always been automatic when switching between the two. Wikibooks seems to want me to authenticate myself via my authenticator app which I have not done before. Allows me to also use a recovery code which I do not have. How do I log in guys? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-28255-89|&#126;2026-28255-89]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-28255-89|talk]]) 18:15, 10 May 2026 (UTC) : I believe it might be the CheckUser permission requiring 2FA (on parity with interface administrators and oversighters) as that group has restrictions. You might need to temporarily request to the [[m:Stewards' noticeboard|stewards]] to remove CU access from your account to enable 2FA; however, since this project only has 2 CUs, [[User:MarcGarver|MarcGarver]]'s CU rights would be temporarily suspended. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 18:36, 10 May 2026 (UTC) : Thanks, I've left a notice on the Steward's board.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-28255-89|&#126;2026-28255-89]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-28255-89|talk]]) 18:59, 10 May 2026 (UTC) ::This happened before when your CU rights were removed because you hadn't enrolled in 2FA. I presume you must have enrolled to get the CU rights back. Are you really sure you've never used any authenticator here? [[User:MarcGarver|MarcGarver]] ([[User talk:MarcGarver|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MarcGarver|contribs]]) 11:49, 11 May 2026 (UTC) :::See [https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/User_talk:MarcGarver#Check_User previous discussion] from last year [[User:MarcGarver|MarcGarver]] ([[User talk:MarcGarver|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MarcGarver|contribs]]) 11:51, 11 May 2026 (UTC) ::::Thanks. Good to know. I had completely forgotten that discussion. I will have to install some old authenticators and see which works.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-28255-89|&#126;2026-28255-89]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-28255-89|talk]]) 17:09, 16 May 2026 (UTC) : Logged in finally. Seems I had recovery codes (totally forgotten about them) saved but no authenticator so each time I log in I'll need to use the codes.--[[User:Xania|Xania]] [[Image:Flag_of_Estonia.svg|15px]] [[Image:Flag_of_Ukraine.svg|15px]] [[User talk:Xania|^talk]] 17:54, 16 May 2026 (UTC) == Cs24jam2 reported by MathXplore == * {{userlinks|Cs24jam2}} Vandalism <!-- USERREPORTED:/Cs24jam2/ --> [[User:MathXplore|MathXplore]] ([[User talk:MathXplore|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MathXplore|contribs]]) 11:54, 11 May 2026 (UTC) :{{done}} by @[[User:Codename Noreste|Codename Noreste]] —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 16:58, 11 May 2026 (UTC) == Mnckhagaul reported by MathXplore == * {{userlinks|Mnckhagaul}} Spam <!-- USERREPORTED:/Mnckhagaul/ --> [[User:MathXplore|MathXplore]] ([[User talk:MathXplore|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MathXplore|contribs]]) 08:35, 16 May 2026 (UTC) : {{done}}. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 03:28, 17 May 2026 (UTC) == Vrindavanmathuratourpackages reported by MathXplore == * {{userlinks|Vrindavanmathuratourpackages}} Spam <!-- USERREPORTED:/Vrindavanmathuratourpackages/ --> [[User:MathXplore|MathXplore]] ([[User talk:MathXplore|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MathXplore|contribs]]) 12:13, 18 May 2026 (UTC) : {{done}}. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 15:28, 18 May 2026 (UTC) == Shawndavidsonosp2 reported by MathXplore == * {{userlinks|Shawndavidsonosp2}} Spam, [[Special:AbuseLog/312343]], [[Special:AbuseLog/312344]] <!-- USERREPORTED:/Shawndavidsonosp2/ --> [[User:MathXplore|MathXplore]] ([[User talk:MathXplore|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MathXplore|contribs]]) 12:10, 19 May 2026 (UTC) :This is not a spam. Its a discussion topic on Healthcare Software Development [[User:Shawndavidsonosp2|Shawndavidsonosp2]] ([[User talk:Shawndavidsonosp2|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Shawndavidsonosp2|contribs]]) 13:00, 19 May 2026 (UTC) : {{ping|MarcGarver|Xania}} (CU request) User:Shawndavidsonosp2 & User:Lunasora33 made link additions for osplabs.com ([https://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Information_Technology_and_Ethics/IT_and_Healthcare&diff=prev&oldid=4636437], [https://spamcheck.toolforge.org/by-domain?q=osplabs.com]) : {{ping|MarcGarver|SHB2000}} [[Special:CentralAuth/Rachvictor05]] & [[Special:CentralAuth/Emma_Joseph_Swift]] (Locked) also made link additions for osplabs.com ([https://spamcheck.toolforge.org/by-domain?q=osplabs.com]) [[User:MathXplore|MathXplore]] ([[User talk:MathXplore|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MathXplore|contribs]]) 13:46, 19 May 2026 (UTC) ::Clearly promotional accounts, both blocked. [[User:MarcGarver|MarcGarver]] ([[User talk:MarcGarver|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MarcGarver|contribs]]) 16:00, 19 May 2026 (UTC) :::and their spam domain added to the blacklist [[User:MarcGarver|MarcGarver]] ([[User talk:MarcGarver|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MarcGarver|contribs]]) 16:02, 19 May 2026 (UTC) == Banibrotechnologies reported by MathXplore == * {{userlinks|Banibrotechnologies}} Spam <!-- USERREPORTED:/Banibrotechnologies/ --> [[User:MathXplore|MathXplore]] ([[User talk:MathXplore|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MathXplore|contribs]]) 12:10, 19 May 2026 (UTC) : {{done}}. [[User:Codename Noreste|<span style="color:#0024FF">Codename Noreste</span>]] ([[User talk:Codename Noreste|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Codename Noreste|contribs]]) 16:51, 19 May 2026 (UTC) == Texasanne12 reported by MathXplore == * {{userlinks|Texasanne12}} Link spam, [[Special:AbuseLog/312336]] <!-- USERREPORTED:/Texasanne12/ --> [[User:MathXplore|MathXplore]] ([[User talk:MathXplore|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MathXplore|contribs]]) 12:18, 19 May 2026 (UTC) :{{done}} —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 02:14, 20 May 2026 (UTC) == [[User:Me Lendroz]] (CU request) == {{ping|MarcGarver|Xania}} (this is related to previous CU, [[Wikibooks:Reading_room/Administrative_Assistance/Archives/2024/February#Alert_about_possible_evasion_of_previous_1-week_block_at_English_Wikibooks_(CU_needed?)]], [[Wikibooks:Reading_room/Administrative_Assistance/Archives/2024/August#Another_user_editing_User:Jay_Bolero's_user_page]]) <br> I found [[Special:Contributions/CarlessParking]] editing the user page of [[User:Me Lendroz]]. What do our CUs think about this? [[User:MathXplore|MathXplore]] ([[User talk:MathXplore|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MathXplore|contribs]]) 14:00, 19 May 2026 (UTC) :It's an obvious sock of Jay Bolero not least because the account has posted "my name is Karl Basallote" everywhere and "Basallote" matches the previous sock. I've blocked CarlessParking as this is an abusive use of multiple accounts. [[User:MarcGarver|MarcGarver]] ([[User talk:MarcGarver|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MarcGarver|contribs]]) 15:57, 19 May 2026 (UTC) == Sharmasejal reported by MathXplore == * {{userlinks|Sharmasejal}} Spam, [[Special:AbuseLog/312466]] <!-- USERREPORTED:/Sharmasejal/ --> [[User:MathXplore|MathXplore]] ([[User talk:MathXplore|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/MathXplore|contribs]]) 11:12, 22 May 2026 (UTC) :{{done}} —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 12:28, 22 May 2026 (UTC) efyje4p5mge2svnohx2wcf4ktqqkwgb 0 150113 4637030 4634101 2026-05-22T14:20:03Z ~2026-27032-87 3581206 I have added a word to visually broaden 4637030 wikitext text/x-wiki Explorer {{honor_header|2|1975|Outreach|General Conference}} ==1. What well-balanced combination of strengths did Jesus develop as a youth? (Luke 2:52) == {{Bible verse | book = Luke | chapter = 2 | verse = 52 | version =NIV | text = And Jesus grew in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men. }} This verse indicates that Jesus grew mentally (''wisdom'') as well as physically (''stature''). He also grew spiritually (''in favor of God'') and emotionally (''in favor of men''). These four aspects of personal growth are the focus of the Adventist education system as well as the Pathfinder program. ==2. According to Psalm 8, what estimate does God place on your personal worth? == The New International Version translates Psalm 8 as follows: {{Bible verse | book = Psalm | chapter = 8 | verse = 1-9 | version = NIV | text =<br> :'''1''' ''O LORD, our Lord,'' ::''how majestic is your name in all the earth!'' ::''You have set your glory'' ::''above the heavens.'' :'''2''' ''From the lips of children and infants'' ::''you have ordained praise'' ::''because of your enemies,'' ::''to silence the foe and the avenger.'' :'''3''' ''When I consider your heavens,'' ::''the work of your fingers,'' ::''the moon and the stars,'' ::''which you have set in place,'' :'''4''' ''what is man that you are mindful of him,'' ::''the son of man that you care for him?'' :'''5''' ''You made him a little lower than the heavenly beings'' ::''and crowned him with glory and honor.'' :'''6''' ''You made him ruler over the works of your hands;'' ::''you put everything under his feet:'' :'''7''' ''all flocks and herds,'' ::''and the beasts of the field,'' :'''8''' ''the birds of the air,'' ::''and the fish of the sea,'' ::''all that swim the paths of the seas.'' :'''9''' ''O LORD, our Lord,'' ::''how majestic is your name in all the earth!'' }} This is saying that God sees man as the crowning (most significant) act of His creation. He made us a little lower than the angels in importance and gave us the charge to rule and manage the rest of his creation. ==3. Are names important to God? Does He know your name? (Isaiah 43:1, Exodus 33:17, Isaiah 45:4)== These three verses are quoted from the New International Version: {{Bible verse | book = Isaiah | chapter = 43 | verse = 1 | version =NIV | text =<br> :''But now, this is what the LORD says—'' :''he who created you, O Jacob,'' :''he who formed you, O Israel:'' :''"Fear not, for I have redeemed you;'' :''I have summoned you by name; you are mine.'' }} {{Bible verse | book = Exodus | chapter = 33 | verse = 17 | version =NIV | text =<br> :''And the LORD said to Moses, "I will do the very thing you have asked, because I am pleased with you and I know you by name."'' }} {{Bible verse | book = Isaiah | chapter = 45 | verse = 4 | version =NIV | text =<br> :''For the sake of Jacob my servant,'' :''of Israel my chosen,'' :''I summon you by name'' :''and bestow on you a title of honor,'' :''though you do not acknowledge me.'' }} Names are important enough to God that He has protected His own name in the Ten Commandments. He knows each of us by name which also signifies His personal interest in us individually. ==4. Demonstrate or discuss proper conversational skills, including == ===a. The proper way to talk to adults/elders === Children should address adults using the words Mr, Mrs, and Miss outside of church, or Brother, Sister in a church setting followed by that person's last name. They should avoid using an adult's first name unless it is also used with a last name. For example, "I talked to John about borrowing his tools," would be considered disrespectful, but saying "I talked to John Smith about borrowing his tools" or "I talked to Mr. Smith about borrowing his tools" shows proper respect. When speaking to an adult (or anyone else), do not mumble. Avoid slang. Be sure to use such words as "sir," "ma'am," "please," and "thank you." Make eye contact. ===b. How to address people and make proper introductions === When addressing adults, again it is respectful to use their last names, as in "Mr Smith" or "Miss Jones." When making introductions, say a woman's name before a man's. If they are both the same gender, use the older person's name before using younger person's. For example, you would introduce Mr. Smith and Miss Jones by saying "Miss Jones, I would like for you to meet Mr. Smith." Be sure to allow room so that they may shake hands. You would introduce Mr. Smith to your friend William by saying "Mr. Smith, this is my friend William." You may then tell something about William: "William and I have known each other since the third grade." ===c. Questions to avoid === Do not comment on any physical defects in a person, or ask personal questions: *"When did you last have a shower?" *"Don't you think you should try to lose a little weight?" *"How much money do you make?" *"How old are you?" (When speaking to someone older than you) *"How is your mother?" (If mother died.) ===d. How to think of pleasant things to say === *Think of something that has happened to you in the recent past that you found pleasant and talk about that. *When talking to adults with children or grandchildren, ask about them. *Ask where the person grew up and what it was like there. *Ask if the person has a pet, and if so, what that pet's favorite thing to do is. *Tell about a recent Pathfinder event, such as a campout or a club meeting. *Tell about an honor that you have enjoyed earning, and what you had to do to earn it. ===e. How to show concern for the feelings of others === One way to show concern for others during a conversation is to practice ''active listening''. In active listening, you restate what the other person has said to you, but in different words. If you misunderstand what was said and restate it incorrectly, your partner in conversation will know and can clarify. Active listening is one way to let the other person know that you are indeed listening. One mistake that people often make in conversing is changing the subject before the partner was ready to. For example: '''Bad Form''' :Alice: "My sister was in a car accident yesterday." :Bob: "That's too bad. Did I tell you I beat level 14 in 'Mega Chipmunk Death Rally' this morning?" :Alice: "She broke her finger." :Bob: " I don't care at all." '''Better Form''' :Alice: "My sister was in a car accident yesterday." :Bob: "Your sister was in an accident? Is she OK?" :Alice: "She broke her finger." :Bob: "I hope her finger heals soon." It is also important to show concern for the person before considering other ramifications: '''Bad Form''' :Alice: "My sister was in a car accident yesterday." :Bob: "Really? She still owes me five bucks!" :Alice: "She broke her finger." :Bob: Hahaha that's funny!" '''Better Form''' :Alice: "My sister was in a car accident yesterday." :Bob: "I'm sorry to hear that. Did she go to the hospital?" ===f. What to say when you answer the door === When answering the door, if the visitor has come to speak to an adult in the family and he is known to you, invite him in while you get the person requested. If the visitor is unknown, kindly ask him to wait until you can get the person requested. If no one else is home, tell the visitor so only if you know the visitor, and ask if you can relay a message for him. ===g. How to answer the telephone correctly === When answering the phone at home, nothing beats this old classic: ''"Hello?"'' It is also good to say after this greeting the period of day, that is: {| align="center" |- |align=right|12:00 AM ||- |align=right| 11:59 AM || Morning |- |align=right|12:00 PM ||- |align=right|5:59 PM || Afternoon |- |align=right|6:00 PM ||- |align=right|8:59 PM || Evening |- |align=right|9:00 PM ||- |align=right|11:59 PM || Night |} There is no need to give out personal information by saying "Anthony residence, this is Susan," nor do you need to tell them the number they have just dialed. A simple "Hello" and a smile in your voice is all you really need. Bad Form: "What?!" Good Form: "Hello" When answering for a business, the rules change. In this case, you are expected to answer with the name of the company, as in "Campy Rockets, how may I help you?" If you ever need to answer the phone at your church, you should answer the same as if it were a business: "Northside SDA Church, how may I help you?". You don't need to say your name, unless the person on the other end of the line asks to whom he/she is speaking. ==5. If you want to use your gift of speech to God's glory, what should your prayer be? (Psalm 19:14) == {{Bible verse | book = Psalm | chapter =19 | verse = 14 | version =NIV | text =<br> :''May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart'' ::''be pleasing in your sight,'' ::''O LORD, my Rock and my Redeemer.'' }} ==6. List seven points showing the power of correct posture. Check your posture and body profile. Demonstrate how to stand and sit correctly. Read Education, by Ellen G. White, page 198, paragraph 3, and note the benefits mentioned that come to you as a result of correct posture. == Good posture does the following: # Provides optimal balance. # Optimizes breathing. # Affects the circulation of bodily fluids. # Reduces back pain. # Protects the joints from strain. # Expresses confidence. # Is considered an integral part of physical attractiveness. # Improves the body's ability to carry heavy loads. # Protects against spinal deformity as a person ages. ''Education'', page 198, paragraph 3 reads as follows: :''"Among the first things to be aimed at should be a correct position, both in sitting and in standing. God made man upright, and He desires him to possess not only the physical but the mental and moral benefit, the grace and dignity and self-possession, the courage and self-reliance, which an erect bearing so greatly tends to promote. Let the teacher give instruction on this point by example and by precept. Show what a correct position is, and insist that it shall be maintained."'' ===Sitting=== [[Image:Illu vertebral column.svg|thumb|250px|Vertebral column showing healthy curvature]] The spine has four normal curvatures. From top to bottom they are the cervical, thoracic, lumbar, and sacral curves. The upper three of these should be aligned as shown in the image to the right when sitting. To get them into this position, do the following: * Sit in a chair with your buttocks touching the back of the chair. * Do NOT Slouch forward. * Straighten up and accentuate the lumbar curve arching our shoulders back. Hold this position for a few seconds. * Release and relax, drawing your abdomen back into a comfortable position, but with your shoulders still straight and back. * Make sure your weight is distributed evenly on both hips. * Keep your feet flat on the floor. Your knees should be level with your hips or a bit higher. If you cannot do this and keep your feet flat on the floor, adjust your chair (if it is adjustable) or use a smaller chair. * Do not cross your legs. If working at a computer, your forearm should extend directly in front of you and remain horizontal. The wrists should arch downwards towards the keyboard. You may need to use a wrist support to help you with this. Source: http://www.globalspine.net/correct_sitting_technique.html ===Standing=== When standing, the spine should follow all four curvatures as in the image above. Observe the following points: * Hold your head up with your chin in. * Thrust the chest forward and the tummy tucked in. * Keep your knees straight. * Make sure your pelvis is not tilted (neither forward nor back). * If standing for a long period of time, rest one foot on a slightly elevated surface, such as a step. If working in the kitchen, you can open the cabinet door and rest your foot on the lower shelf. * Do not stand in the same position for a long period of time. You should change positions every 5 to 15 minutes. Source: http://www.globalspine.net/correct_standing_position.html ==7. Give two reasons why physical fitness is important and explain the relationship between proper diet, exercise, and weight control. == Exercise keeps your organs functioning properly, avoiding blockages and poor circulation. A healthy diet is also important for weight control. Excessive weight will cause diseases. On average, the number of calories you consume should equal the number of calories you burn. Calories enter the body through the things we eat and drink - in other words, from the diet. Calories are burned by physical activity. The more physically active you are, the more calories you will burn. If you consume more calories than you burn, you will gain weight. If you burn more calories than you consume, you will lose weight. If your caloric intake equals your caloric expenditure, you will maintain your current weight. This applies no matter what your weight is. There is no weight beyond which a person cannot get any heavier (unless the excess weight results in death, as it often does). ==8. Tell the importance of proper grooming, including bathing, body hygiene, breath, proper care of clothes, shoes, etc. == ===Importance=== A person with poor hygiene is unpleasant to be around. Foul odors, dirty clothing, and gross things stuck between their teeth have a tendency to drive people away. Most people will not take a habitually unclean person seriously, and will instead do everything they can to avoid that person. It is very difficult to be an effective witness for your faith under these conditions. ===Social cues=== Be on the lookout for social cues that indicate you may have a problem. If someone is continually averting their eyes from you, or you find them staring at some part of your face other than your eyes, discretely excuse yourself and have a look in a mirror. Check your teeth, and make sure your face is clean. If a person offers you a piece of gum or a breath mint, it may be a polite way of curing your bad breath. The proper response is "Thank you." Accept the breath freshener without asking why it was being offered. Perhaps you'd rather not know! ==9. Describe the proper way to wash your hair and care for your "hair tools." == Wet your hair thoroughly, being sure it is wet all the way to the scalp. Pour {{units|15-30 ml|1-2 tablespoons}} of shampoo into the palm of your hand, and then work it into the hair to form a lather. Lather the hair until all surfaces have been washed. Rinse ''thoroughly'' - if any shampoo is left in the hair, it will dry in place forming clumps of yellowish flakes. Comb or brush your hair immediately after washing it, and again several times through the day. Longer hair needs more frequent care. Very short hair may not need combing at all. When you are finished combing or brushing, run water over the comb or brush to clean it. Over time, a comb will collect a build-up of dirt which is difficult to rinse off. When this happens, run the teeth of the comb through the bristles of the brush. Rinse both. Do not share a comb, brush, hat, or other headgear with another person, as this can help the spread of lice. ==10. Describe the proper care for your hands and fingernails.== Hands should be washed frequently throughout the day, especially after using the restroom. Germs and viruses are spread by hand-contact, and washing them is an effective way to prevent their spread. Be sure to use soap on the palms, fingers, the back of the hands, and under the fingernails, and rinse well. Many people avoid handwashing because it dries their hands, but this is really an effect of improper rinsing. If you find that handwashing still dries your skin even after thorough rinsing, apply a lotion. It is even more important to wash dried, cracked skin, as the cracks offer an entry for germs into your system. Drink plenty of water to keep your skin hydrated. Fingernails should be trimmed neatly using nail clippers. Do not chew the fingernails or tear them off. Clean beneath the nails whenever you see dirt under them. ==11. Know the importance of daily "soul-grooming" and of building a Christian character and why "belonging to Christ" makes a difference in the way you dress and act. == "Soul-grooming" is done through daily communion with God. Any relationship is built by communication, and we communicate with God through prayer and by reading His Word. It is best to start the day by talking to the Lord, asking Him to be with you through the day. Time spent praying over specific temptations you face will better prepare you to resist that temptation. "Christian character" is demonstrated when you do the right thing even when it is difficult. Be in the practice of always telling the truth, and put the feelings of others ahead of your own desires. This will add compassion to your character. Knowing that you belong to Christ will give you a sense of self-worth and confidence. After all, Christ died for ''you'', so He must feel you were worth that sacrifice. Because He has forgiven you of your sins, you will want to treat His other children with love and respect. You will find yourself wanting to lead others to Him, and help them resist temptation. People go through several important physiological changes during the pre-teen and teen years. They find that their sexual desires begin to waken, and sometimes they may find them difficult to control. Dressing modestly will help others to control these desires, while dressing suggestively and engaging in flirtation can unnecessarily excite a person of the opposite sex. When you belong to Christ, you will not willingly become a stumbling block to another person's salvation. You will find your self-worth anchored in being a child of the King rather than through gaining the attention and acceptance of other people. ==12. Discuss scriptural guidelines that will help you cope with your sexuality and keep your thoughts-life clean. Discuss intelligently the do's and don'ts" of dating.== ===Scriptural Guidelines=== {{Bible verse | book = Philippians | chapter = 4 | verse = 8 | version = [http://ebible.org/web/web.htm World English Bible] | text = Finally, brothers, whatever things are true, whatever things are honorable, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report; if there is any virtue, and if there is any praise, think about these things. }} {{Bible verse | book = 1 Corinthians | chapter = 6 | verse = 9, 10 | version = [http://ebible.org/web/web.htm World English Bible] | text = Or don’t you know that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don’t be deceived. Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor male prostitutes, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor slanderers, nor extortioners, will inherit the Kingdom of God. }} The longer one thinks about sinful things, the more likely that person is to engage in that activity. Philippians 4:8 recommends against impure thoughts. {{Bible verse | book = Exodus | chapter = 20 | verse = 14 | version = [http://ebible.org/web/web.htm World English Bible] | text = You shall not commit adultery. }} Adultery and sexual immorality are any sexual activities that take place outside the marriage. {{Bible verse |book = Matthew |chapter =5 | version = [http://ebible.org/web/web.htm World English Bible] |verse = 27,28 | text = "You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.' But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. }} This text tells us that adultery is a sin that a person can commit in private. Do not entertain ideas of sexual immorality, even in your own private thoughts. ===Dating=== When inviting a person on a date, it is better to immediately reveal what you have in mind rather than asking if the person is busy. Asking if the person is busy may cause them to feel cornered. After admitting that they are not busy, they will feel trapped if they do not like the plans you are proposing. Make sure you go to the door when you arrive. It is rude to stay in the car and honk the horn, Honking the horn will also disturb the neighbors. If invited inside to meet the parents, do so as pleasantly as you can. Do not attempt to get your date to do anything you know violates either his/her or your own sense of morality. Pay attention to your date during your time together. It is rude to invite someone on a date and then spend most of your time together focusing on someone else (of either sex). It goes without saying that you should never flirt with someone else during the date. When the date has concluded, escort your date back to the front door. Don't just dump her out of the car at the curb. Make sure you return home at the appointed time. Doing otherwise will make you look bad to your date's parents, and may get your date into trouble. This will not reflect well on you. ==13. List four reasons why your face is important to you, and show how the way you exercise and sleep can improve your facial appearance. What relationship do thoughts have to facial "print-out"? Describe proper facial care. == ===Importance=== Reasons why your face is important: a It is the first thing that others see when they look at you. b It is the first thing that you see (when you look in the mirror). c It is one of the main communicators of your emotions. d Most people define "cute" or "handsome" based on the way a person's face appears. e People recognize you more by your face than by any other part of your body. Your face ''defines'' you. ===Sleep and Exercise=== Because your face is so central to who you are, you should take care to make it look its best. Lack of sleep will not only make you tired, it will make you ''look'' tired too. Regular (and sufficient) sleep will keep you from looking tired all the time. Regular exercise will do this too, because if you exercise regularly, you will not only be more fit, you will have more energy. ===Facial Print-out=== People can adopt a facial expression as a voluntary action. However, because expressions are closely tied to emotion, they are more often involuntary. It can be nearly impossible to avoid expressions for certain emotions, even when it would be strongly desirable to do so; a person who is trying to avoid insult to an individual he or she finds highly unattractive might nevertheless show a brief expression of disgust before being able to resume a neutral expression. The close link between emotion and expression can also work in the other direction; it has been observed that voluntarily assuming an expression can actually cause the associated emotion. ===Facial Care=== The most important aspect of facial care is regular and frequent cleansing with soap and water. Begin by wetting the hands and face with water, then lather the hands with soap and apply to the face. Work the soap by rubbing over the face. Then rinse thoroughly. If desired, apply lotion to moisture the skin, but little proof exists that this provides any health benefits at all. ==14. Know the rules of table etiquette which make it easier for you and those around you, such as what to do with your knife and fork after using them. Know how to be a welcome dinner guest and a joy to your hostess. == Table manners are the etiquette used when eating. This includes the appropriate use of utensils. Different cultures have different standards for table manners. Many table manners evolved out of practicality. For example, it is generally impolite to put elbows on tables since doing so creates a risk of tipping over bowls and cups. Within different families or groups, there may be less rigorous enforcement of some traditional table manners of their culture while still maintaining others. For example, some families ignore elbows on the table or mixing of foods. ===Table Layout=== [[File:PlaceSettingCharger.jpg|thumb|300px|A properly set table]] * Bread plates are to the left of the main plate, beverage glasses are to the right. * Salad fork, knife, and soup spoon are further from the main plate than the main course knife, fork, and spoon. Dessert utensils are either placed above the main plate or served with dessert. * The sharp edge of the knife blade faces the plate. ===General Behavior=== * Always chew with your mouth closed. * Do not talk at an excessively loud volume. * Refrain from coughing, sneezing or blowing nose at the table. * Never tilt back your chair while at the table, or at any other time. * Do not make unbecoming noises while eating. * Do not play with food or table utensils. * Do not single out or chastise someone who has shown poor table manners. * Do not put your elbows on the table or slouch. It is acceptable, however, to rest forearms, up to the elbow, on the table. * Always ask the host or hostess to be excused before leaving the table. * Do not stare at anyone while he or she is eating. * Never talk on your phone at the table. If urgent, ask host or hostess to be excused, and go outside. Apologize after returning. ===Utensils=== * Do not eat food with your fingers unless you are eating foods customarily eaten with fingers, such as bread, French fries, chicken wings, pizza, etc. At more formal occasions, it is acceptable to eat asparagus or some romaine lettuce dishes with ones hands. However, as this is an obscure etiquette rule, in more casual settings, it is customary to use utensils. * The fork may be used either in the American (use the fork in your left hand while cutting; switch to right hand to pick up and eat a piece) or the Continental (fork remains in the left hand) fashion—either is now acceptable. * The fork is used to convey any solid food to the mouth. * The knife blade should be placed on the edge of your plate when not in use. The blade should always face inward. * When you have finished eating soup, the spoon should be placed to the side of the saucer, not left in the bowl. * Keep your napkin on your lap. At more formal occasions all diners will wait to place their napkins on their laps until the host or hostess places his or her napkin on his or her lap. * When eating barbecue or some other messy foods, a 'bib' napkin may be provided for and used by adults. Usually these foods are also eaten by hand, and wet wipes or paper napkins should be used to clean the hands. * When using paper napkins, never ball them up or allow stains to show. * Use your silverware from the outside moving inward toward the main plate. (Salad fork, knife and soup spoon are further from the main plate than the main course knife, fork and spoon. Dessert utensils are either placed above the main plate or served with dessert.) ===Dining=== * A prayer or 'blessing' may be customary in some families, and the guests should join in even if they are not religious or do not follow the same religion. Most prayers are made by the host before the meal is eaten. Instead or in addition, a 'toast' may be offered. * Do not start eating until (a) every person is served or (b) those who have not been served request that you begin without waiting. At more formal occasions all diners will wait to begin until the hostess or host lifts a fork or spoon. * When a dish is presented 'family style', the food is served to one's plate and then passed on to the next person. put the food on your left, take some and pass to the person next to you. * When serving, serve from the left and pick up the dish from the right. Beverages are both served and removed from the right. * Eat soup noiselessly and with the side of the spoon. * Hot drinks should never be poured into the saucer to cool but should be sipped from the cup. Alternatively, ice may be used to cool them. * Seasoning ones meal prior to tasting can be considered rude and may insult the chef. === At the end of the meal === * It is acceptable in most places to not finish all of the food on your plate. * When finished with your meal, place your knife and fork with handles at the 4 o'clock position and the tines of the fork down to signal to the server you are done. * Except in a public restaurant, do not ask to take some of your uneaten food away from the meal after it ends, and never when attending a formal dinner. ==15. List ten principles to help you overcome self-consciousness and social embarrassment. == The most important thing for a Christian to remember is that no matter how awkward they are, the Ruler of the Universe loves them and gave His life for them. Spend some time preparing for a social event. Make sure you are clean, your hair is clean, and combed, and your breath is fresh. Put on a clean set of clothes before setting out, and wear deodorant or antiperspirant. Antiperspirant will keep you from sweating. Deodorant will keep your sweat from smelling bad. It also helps to recognize that you are not the only person who may feel self-conscious in a social situation. Every other boy and girl your age will also be worrying about doing something goofy, so the chances are pretty good that if you make an embarrassing error, everyone else will be so preoccupied with themselves that they do not notice. Still, sometimes you ''will'' do something embarrassing, and others ''will'' notice. In this case, it is best to acknowledge your fault, ''admit'' embarrassment, and try to see the humor in the situation. That can be ''very'' hard in the heat of the moment, but if you can pull it off with grace, people will be quick to forgive, and they will not think poorly of you. So here are ten principles to remember: #Christ died for you #Make sure your hair is clean and combed. #Make sure your face and body are clean #Wear deodorant/antiperspirant. #Brush your teeth and have a breath mint or sugar-free gum #You are not the only self-conscious person #People are unlikely to be focusing on ''you'' #Admit your mistakes #Admit your embarrassment #A little humor goes a long way ==For Young Ladies== ===16. Demonstrate two exercises that will improve your posture. === Many different exercises might be chosen to improve different aspects of one's posture, but in light of proper posture as detailed in requirement 6, the following two exercises are chosen as especially important for young women: ====1. Lying on your back==== Lie on your back on the floor with your knees bent and feet flat on the floor. * Use your abdominal and gluteal (buttock) muscles to roll your bottom a little and press your lower back against the floor. * Maintain the pressure for 5 – 10 seconds and slowly let go. * Repeat 10 times. Try to do the same exercise while standing with your legs straight and against a wall. This exercise strengthens the abdominal and gluteal muscles and helps to focus on the pelvis position in order not to exaggerate the lumbar lordosis (an inward curvature of the lumbar and cervical segments of the spine) as is often seen with young women and girls, giving them lot of problems during pregnancy with peri-partus-pelvic pain. ====2. Sitting on a chair==== * Lift your arms to a horizontal position * Swing them slowly outwards and backwards as far as possible. * Repeat 10 times. This exercise strengthens the muscles of the back of your shoulders, stretches the muscles in the front of your chest, and thus works towards lesser thoracic kyphosis (curvature of the upper spine) and makes more room for your lungs and heart. ===17. Know how to choose a hairstyle that makes you look your best. === The choice of a hairstyle is a personal one, but if the goal is to look your best, the generally accepted advice is to style it to even out the shape of your head and face. A girl with a long, narrow face should not choose a hairstyle that makes her face look a little wider. A girl with a round, wide face should not use her hair to lengthen her face by not exposing more of her forehead and not adding height. ===18. Tell the proper style of clothes to wear if you are tall, plump, short, or thin or have a heavy hipline or full bosom. === The most important aspect for a Christian woman to consider when choosing her clothing is modesty. Immodest clothing will make it difficult for young men to control their thoughts. Stripes can be used to emphasize or play down height or width. Vertical stripes emphasize height while playing down width, while horizontal stripes emphasize width while playing down height. Therefore, a tall, thin girl should wear horizontal stripes, and a short, plump girl should wear vertical stripes. Tall girls may not wish to wear shoes with high heels, while shorter girls may benefit from them. A girl with a weight problem should not wear tight clothing as that accentuates her problem. Loose-fitting clothing is always a better choice. ===19. Demonstrate the correct way to put on a coat or outer wrap.=== This requirement assumes that the young lady will be assisted with her coat or wrap by a young man. In this case, the young man should remove the coat from the hanger and hold the coat along the shoulder seams (he should grasp the right shoulder seam with his right hand and the left seam with his left hand so that the back of the garment is facing him). He should then open the coat to reveal the sleeve holes and offer it to the young lady. She should not need to reach up or down to slip her arm into the sleeve of the coat. Once she has both her arms in the sleeves, the young man should release the coat or wrap and the young lady may button it herself (if she so chooses). ==For Young Men== ===16. Tell how to have well-groomed hair and how to choose a hairstyle that makes you look your best. === Wash your hair regularly, and comb it several times between shampooing. Hair at any length should still be washed daily or every other day. The choice of a hairstyle is a personal one, but if the goal is to look your best, the generally accepted advice is to style it to even out the shape of your head. This helps in finding suitable touches for everyone. ===17. List clothing rules and the proper style of clothes to wear if you are tall and thin, or short and chubby. === A tall, thin boy should wear a shirt with horizontal stripes, and a short stocky boy should wear a shirt with vertical stripes. Horizontal stripes emphasize width and play down height. Vertical stripes emphasize height and play down width. ===18. Tell why Christians should practice good manners. Demonstrate how to seat a girl or woman at a table and how to properly escort her from home to a social function.=== Christians should practice good manners because they are ambassadors of Christ. Rudeness on the part of a Christian reflects poorly on all Christians. When escorting a girl or a woman, the boy should offer her the crook of his elbow. The woman may slip her arm around his, and they may walk arm-in-arm to her seat. The boy then pulls her seat out for her so that she may step in front of it. As she sits, he should push the seat forward. This can and should be practiced in a club environment, but the instructor must be vigilant that no one tries to pull the chair under the person sitting, this may cause serious damages. ==References== [[{{BOOKCATEGORY|Adventist Youth Honors Answer Book}}/Completed Honors|{{SUBPAGENAME}}]] 9u7du478ufhal4mo4q3oj7l2qzfnxil 0 153353 4637136 4428518 2026-05-23T08:09:16Z ~2026-30859-52 3592773 4637136 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Chess Opening Theory/Position|Bishop's Opening: Sideline 2... d6!?| |rd|nd|bd|qd|kd|bd|nd|rd|pd|pd|pd|| |pd|pd|pd| | | |pd| | | | | | | | |pd| | | | | |bl| |pl| | | | | | | | | | | |pl|pl|pl|pl||pl|pl|pl|rl|nl|bl|ql|kl| |nl|rl|| }} = Bishop's Opening - Sideline 2... d6 = == 2...d6 == In the Bishop's Opening, after the moves '''1. e4 e5 2. Bc4''', Black's move '''2...d6''' leads usually to the [[Chess Opening Theory/1. e4/1...e5/2. Nf3/2...d6|Philidor Defence]]. This line is a solid choice for Black and has historical significance, as it was often preferred during the time of François-André Danican Philidor, a renowned 18th-century chess player. '''Main Moves''' * For White: After '''1. e4 e5 2. Bc4 d6''', the traditional move '''3. Nf3''' leads to a game that can transpose into lines of the Philidor Defense. However, an aggressive approach is 3.f4, directly challenging Black's center and aiming for a spatial advantage. This move is in line with the spirit of the Bishop's Opening, which seeks to control the center and develop pieces rapidly. Philidor's insighted into the importance of the f-pawn break is quite relevant here. He claimed that the player who first advances the f-pawn (f4 for White or f5 for Black) would gain a spatial advantage. However, the move 3. f4 has been refuted by the current status of the chess opening theory. * For Black: In response to White's moves, Black should focus on solid development and maintaining a strong pawn structure. If White plays '''3.Nf3''', Black can continue with moves like Nf6, Be7, and O-O, aiming for a solid yet flexible position. If White opts for '''3.f4''', Black needs to be more cautious, possibly countering with exf4 and following up with Nf6 and Be7, preparing to castle and counterattack in the center. == Theory table == {{ChessTable}}. '''1. e4 e5 2. Bc4 d6!?'''<table class="wikitable" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4"> <tr> <th></th><th style="text-align: left">3</th><th style="text-align: left">4</th><th style="text-align: left">5</th><th style="text-align: lef"t">6</th><th style="text-align: left">7</th><th style="text-align: left">8</th><th style="text-align: left">9</th><th style="text-align: left">10</th><th style="text-align: left"></th></tr> <tr> <th rowspan="4" align="right"> </th> <td>f4?!<br>exf4</td> <td>d4<br>Qh4+</td> <td>Kf1<br>Nc6</td> <td>Nf3<br>Qh6</td> <td>Nc3<br>Nf6</td> <td>e5<br>dxe5</td> <td>Nb5<br>e4</td> <td>Ne5<br>Bd6</td> <td>=</td> </tr> <tr> <td>...<br>...</td> <td>...<br>...</td> <td>...<br>...</td> <td>...<br>...</td> <td>...<br>...</td> <td>...<br>Nh5(!)</td> <td>Nb5<br>Kd8</td> <td>Bxf7<br>Ng3+!</td> <td>⩱</td> <tr> <td>...<br>...</td> <td>...<br>...</td> <td>...<br>...</td> <td>...<br>Bg4!</td> <td>Nxh4<br>Bxd1</td> <td>Nc3<br>Bxc2</td> <td>Bxf4<br>Nf6</td> <td></td> <td>⩱</td> </tr> <tr> <td>c3<br>Nf6</td> <td>Qe2<br>Be7</td> <td>Nf3</td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td>=</td> </tr> <tr> <tr> <th rowspan="3" align="right">Transposition to the "Modern" Berlin Defence </th> <td>...<br>...</td> <td>d3<br>Be7</td> <td>Nf3<br>O-O</td> <td>[[Chess_Opening_Theory/1._e4/1...e5/2._Bc4/2...Nf6/3._d3|O-O]]</td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td>=</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Nf3<br>Nf6</td> <td>d3<br>Be7</td> <td>O-O<br>O-O</td> <td>c3<br>c6</td> <td>[[Chess_Opening_Theory/1._e4/1...e5/2._Bc4/2...Nf6/3._d3|Bb3]] </td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td>=</td> </tr> <tr> <td>...<br>...</td> <td>...<br>...</td> <td>...<br>...</td> <td>Re1<br>c6</td> <td>[[Chess_Opening_Theory/1._e4/1...e5/2._Bc4/2...Nf6/3._d3|a4]] </td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td>=</td> </tr> <tr> <th rowspan="1" align="right">Transposition to the Philidor Defence with 3. Bc4, Lopez Countergambit </th> <td>...<br>[[Chess_Opening_Theory/1._e4/1...e5/2._Nf3/2...d6/3._Bc4|f5?!]]</td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td>± +− </td> </tr> <tr> <th rowspan="2" align="right">Transposition to the Philidor Defence with 3. Bc4 </th> <td>...<br>[[Chess_Opening_Theory/1._e4/1...e5/2._Nf3/2...d6/3._Bc4|Be6?!]]</td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td>±</td> </tr> <td>...<br>Be7</td> <td>d4<br>exd4</td> <td>Nxd4<br>[[Chess_Opening_Theory/1._e4/1...e5/2._Nf3/2...d6/3._Bc4|Nd7??]]</td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td>+−</td> </tr> <tr> <tr> <th rowspan="1" align="right">Transposition to the Philidor Defence Exchange Variation with 4. Nxd4 </th> <td>...<br>...</td> <td>...<br>...</td> <td>...<br>Nf6!</td> <td>Nc3<br>O-O</td> <td>[[Chess_Opening_Theory/1._e4/1...e5/2._Nf3/2...d6/3._d4/3...exd4/4._Nxd4|O-O]]</td> <td></td> <td></td> <td></td> <td>=</td> </tr> </table> {{ChessMid}} == References == {{Wikipedia|Bishop's Opening}} {{reflist}} '''Bibliography''' * [[wikipedia:Garry_Kasparov|Kasparov, Gary]] & [[wikipedia:Raymond_Keene|Keene, Raymond]] (1989, 1994). ''Batsford Chess Openings 2''. {{ISBN|0-8050-3409-9}}. * [[wikipedia:Gary_Lane_(chess_player)|Lane, Gary]] (1993). ''Winning With the Bishop's Opening''. {{ISBN|0-7134-7113-1}}. * [[wikipedia:Vasily_Panov|Panov, Vasily.]] (1973). ''Teoría de Aperturas, Tomo I: Aperturas Abiertas - Aperturas Semiabiertas''. {{ISBN|84-270-0132-0}}. * [[wikipedia:Eric_Schiller|Schiller, Eric.]] (2002). ''Standard Chess Openings''. {{ISBN|1-58042-048-6}}. '''External links''' {{wikibooks|Chess Opening Theory|Chess Opening Theory/1. e4/1...e5/2. Bc4}} * Goeller, Michael. [https://web.archive.org/web/20120716200219/http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~goeller/urusov/bishops/index.html The Bishop's Opening]. * Harding, Tim (August 1998). [https://archive.today/2013.01.02-042149/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kibitz27.txt The Kibitzer: What Exactly is the Bishop's Opening?]. ''ChessCafe.com''. * Harding, Tim (September 1998). [https://archive.today/2013.01.02-042434/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kibitz28.txt The Kibitzer: The Eternal Appeal Of The Urusov Gambit]. ''ChessCafe.com''. * Harding, Tim (October 1998). [https://archive.today/2006.10.27-175809/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kibitz29.txt The Kibitzer: Is the Urusov Gambit Sound?]. ''ChessCafe.com'' {{Chess_Opening_Theory/Footer}} f5pcn9897c3o0z6hlvbu5byjqd0qe4n 4637158 4637136 2026-05-23T10:04:03Z JCrue 2226064 4637158 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Chess Opening Theory/Position |name=Bishop's opening |eco=[[Chess/ECOC|C23]] |parent=[[../|Bishop's opening]] }} == 2...d6 == A modest move that over-defends the e-pawn at the expense of developing a piece and making it harder to develop the king's bishop. Black invites White to play [[/3. Nf3|'''3. Nf3''']] and transpose into the Philidor defence. This is the most common move. In the Philidor, White typically looks for a pawn break with d4. '''3. Nc3''' may lead to a more original game. After 3...Nf6 this resembles a Vienna game where Black has played the passive move ...d6. White can play d3, having already developed their bishop outside of the pawn chain, and delaying the move Nf3 allows White to play for a pawn break with f4 instead. == Theory table == {{ChessTable}} {{Chess/theory table |links=0 |line1=3. Nc3 Nf6 4. d3 Be7 5. f4 exf4 6. Bxf4 O-O 7. Nf3 c6 |eval1={{Chess/not|+}} |line2=3. Nf3 |name2=Philidor defence<br><small>(by transposition)</small> }} {{ChessMid}} == References == {{reflist}} === See also === {{Wikipedia|Bishop's Opening}} * [[wikipedia:Gary_Lane_(chess_player)|Lane, Gary]] (1993). ''Winning With the Bishop's Opening''. {{ISBN|0-7134-7113-1}}. {{Chess_Opening_Theory/Footer}} 67ir6hyaqostbkl4xh3efv3s898bqht 0 202147 4637168 4637019 2026-05-23T10:42:59Z Jeff1138 301139 4637168 wikitext text/x-wiki {{ArosNav}} ==Host Adapter Protocol USB1 OHCI UHCI USB2 EHCI USB3.0 USB3.1 xHCI == Please let us know any mistakes or any information to be added, use Prefs/Trident to confirm Vendor and Product IDs Please chat at [https://www.arosworld.org/index.php AROS World] *1996 USB1.0 *1998 USB1.1 *2000 USB2.0 *2008 USB3.0 *2013 USB3.1 *2017 USB3.2 [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/tree/master/rom/usb AROS has these USB transfers] *Control - *Bulk - Midi 1.0 ( 'send my data when you can' ) *Interrupt - Midi 2.0 *Isochronous - USBAudio, Webcams, etc (wip) Isochronous is the starting point of modern types of multimedia creativity. IsoChronous isoc code is already in place in poseidon.library and '''scheduled''' transfers are queued to be later rerouted in the host driver code (needs to be written for each host protocol e.g. OCHI, UCHI, EHCI and [https://cdrdv2-public.intel.com/625472/625472_xHCI_Rev1_2b.pdf#:~:text=Page%203.%20Document%20Number:%20625472%2C%20Revision:%201.2b.%203. XHCI rev1.2], [https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/content-details/868296/extensible-host-controller-interface-for-universal-serial-bus-xhci-requirements-specification-r2-0.html rev2], etc). There seems to be 2 types of isoc transfers, one is just the normal isoc transfer and the other is realtime implementation of isoc transfer. For isoc transfer there needs to be a scheduler that makes sure no isoc transfers are dropped (in or out) and that they happen at the right time. It all gets difficult as the device making use of the isoc transfer may be at any point on the device tree. One needs to calculate the USB bandwidth for the packet based periodic transfers that are initiated by the host which have fixed but guaranteed bandwidth. Host controllers guarantee this bandwidth by planning a schedule of transfers ahead of time to ensure there is enough time reserved on the bus. [https://www.intel.co.uk/content/www/uk/en/products/docs/io/universal-serial-bus/ehci-specification.html EHCI] [https://www.thegoodpenguin.co.uk/blog/understanding-why-usb-isochronous-bandwidth-errors-occur/ bus-bandwidth] vs payload-bandwidth and the algorithm of the EHCI scheduler. The bandwidth of the endpoint in terms of payload data (stuff we put in a packet) and the protocol overhead, signalling imposed bit stuffing, host delays etc. Poseidon controls the driver and device tree and it provides an API to communicate with the USB devices. Poseidon really doesn't care much about what sort of transfer pipe is opened or used, it only provides the means to do so and forwards the iorequests to the correct driver. Poseidon code is the higher level code for USB communication and drivers are of course the lower level one. [[File:Psd.svg|220px|right]] ; Best Hardware - NEC Chipset (OHCI + EHCI), Intel Chipset (UHCI + EHCI), ; Early support - [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/03c5252d962941a56c816a9f2315134362089349 XHCI USB3.0, USB3.1 & gen 2 Type-A Type-B Type-C] ; Next Best Set - General OHCI, SIS (OHCI + EHCI), ; Buggy Chipset - [ Early AMD OHCI], ALi OHCI, VIA UHCI, Nvidia OHCI & EHCI, === USB1.1 === OHCI USB 1.1 - USB-IF sanctioned standard but hardware physical form removed with USB2.0 and replaced with virtual emulation of USB1 {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="5%" |Product ID ! width="5%" |Revision ! width="10%" |Boot from USB ! width="10%" |Detect USB device ! width="10%" |USB device works ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | ALi Agere M5273 A1 M5237 Lucent USS-312 | | | | <!--Boots-->{{Maybe}} | <!--Detects-->{{Yes}} | <!--Works-->{{Maybe|}} | StarTech PCI425USB, CompUSA Iogear GIC220U-b, Nvidia 220 mobo, USBA2041P, ALi SU2A-PS, |- | AMD 756 Chipset (onboard motherboard) | 0x1022 | 0x740c | 0x06 | <!--Boots-->{{No}} | <!--Detects-->{{No}} | <!--Works-->{{Maybe|}} | no [http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=31308#forumpost31308 usb devices detected] Geode GX1, |- | CMD DU-A2 Silicon Image 0670 (pci AMD chipset) | 0x1095 | 0x0670 | 0x06 | <!--Boots-->{{No}} | <!--Detects-->{{No}} | <!--Works-->{{Maybe|}} | |- | Silicon Image 0673 (pci AMD chipset) | 0x1095 | 0x0673 | 0x06 | <!--Boots-->{{No}} | <!--Detects-->{{No}} | <!--Works-->{{Maybe|}} | |- | Nvidia Nforce2 USB | 0x10de | | | <!--Boots-->{{Maybe|Bios options vary but does with Plop Boot}} | <!--Detects-->{{Yes}} | <!--Works-->{{Maybe|}} | Tested with 20th Aug 2012 improvement |- | NEC µPD720100AGM | 0x1033 | 0x0035 | 0x | <!--Boots-->{{Unk}} | <!--Detects-->{{Unk}} | <!--Works-->{{Maybe|}} | untested - Amiga Spider card with possible bottleneck issues at higher speeds |- | NEC µPD720101AGM 720101GJ | 0x1033 | 0x0035 | 0x43 | <!--Boots-->{{Yes}} | <!--Detects-->{{Yes}} | <!--Works-->{{Maybe|}} | Mac mini, Belkin F5U219vea (2+1 ports), Belkin F5U220vea1 (4+1 ports), Adaptec 3100LP, BAFO BF-460, GWC UC-160, IOGear GIC250U, Keyspan U2PCI-5, O'toLink U2-C2B U2-C2A U2-P20N U2-P50, Ratoc PCIU5, USBWholesale UII-PCIP |- | NEC µPD720102 | 0x1033 | 0x00 | 0x | <!--Boots-->{{Unk|untested }} | <!--Detects-->{{Unk|untested }} | <!--Works-->{{Maybe|}} | |- | Opti 82C861 2-port | 0x1045 | 0xc861 | | <!--Boots-->{{No}} | <!--Detects-->{{No}} | <!--Works-->{{Maybe|}} | no USB devices detected - Belkin F5U005, |- | SIS 7001 OCHI | 0x1039 | 0x7001 | 0x0f | <!--Boots-->{{No}} | <!--Detects-->{{Yes}} | <!--Works-->{{Maybe|}} | 20th Aug 2012 - not booting stalls on GRUB word with Plop Boot |- |} UHCI USB 1.1 - Intel standard but since 2009 no hardware support as USB2 introduced virtual emulation of USB1 {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="5%" |Product ID ! width="5%" |Revision ! width="10%" |Boot from USB ! width="10%" |Detect USB device ! width="10%" |USB device works ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | Intel | 0x8086 | 0x | 0x01 | <!--Boots-->{{No|not in bios use AROS floppy disc boot}} | <!--Detects-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--Works-->{{Maybe|}} | |- | Intel 82371AB EB MB PIIX4 | 0x8086 | 0x7112 | 0x01 | <!--Boots-->{{No|none in bios use other booting options}} | <!--Detects-->{{Maybe|Detects most devices}} | <!--Works-->{{Maybe|most devices but not RTL8187b WG111v3 blue led not on and does not work}} | |- | Intel 82801DB/DBL/DBM (onboard i830 mbd) | 0x8086 | 0x24c4 | 0x01 | <!--Boots-->{{Yes|but not from bios but floppy options}} | <!--Detects-->{{Yes|}} | <!--Works-->{{Yes|}} | RTL8187b WG111v3 blue led on and although device has software failure and recoverable error IT STILL WORKS. Fresh start sometimes needs Network Prefs Saved to work. |- | VIA MVP4 (onboard mbd) | 0x1106 | 0x30 | 0x40 | <!--Boots-->{{No}} | <!--Detects-->{{Maybe|most devices}} | <!--Works-->{{Maybe|most devices but not wireless options}} | RTL8187b WG111v3 detected but blue led not on and does not work |- | VIA VT82xx (onboard mbd) | 0x1106 | 0x3038 | 0x40 | <!--Boots-->{{No}} | <!--Detects-->{{Maybe|most devices}} | <!--Works-->{{Maybe|most devices but not wireless usb}} | RTL8187b WG111v3 blue led on but does not work |- | VIA VT6202 (VIA VT83C572) | 0x1106 | 0x3038 | | <!--Boots-->{{No}} | <!--Detects-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--Works-->{{Maybe|}} | A-Best USB-200, Cables N Mor USBPCI, CompUSA, D-Link DSB500, Digital/Research DRUSBCARD, Kouwell IOFlex 580, StarMount USB VIA, |- | VIA VT6112 | | | | <!--Boots-->{{No}} | <!--Detects-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--Works-->{{Maybe|}} | |- | VIA VT6212 (pci card) | 0x1106 | 0x3038 | 0x61 | <!--Boots-->{{No}} | <!--Detects-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--Works-->{{Maybe|}} | 2011 seems to have issues with other identical via based USB controller(s) present |- | VIA VT6214L | | | | <!--Boots-->{{No}} | <!--Detects-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--Works-->{{Maybe|}} | |- |} === USB 2.0 EHCI === The USB-IF insisted on only one implementation of EHCI but it creates 4 virtual hcd to cover USB1.1 support. The virtual HCD on Intel and VIA EHCI controllers are UHCI. All other vendors use virtual OHCI controllers. Hardware EHCI USB2.0 ended in most chipsets in 2014/5 and is now virtual through most newer USB3.0 chipsets {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="5%" |Product ID ! width="5%" |Revision ! width="10%" |Boot from USB ! width="10%" |Detect USB device ! width="10%" |USB device works ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | ALi Agere M5273 A1 Lucent USS-344 | | | | <!--Boots--> | <!--Detects--> | <!--Works-->{{Maybe|}} | {{N/A|untested}} belkin F5U006, |- | Nvidia Nforce2 USB | | | | <!--Boots-->{{No}} | <!--Detects-->{{Yes}} | <!--Works-->{{Maybe|}} | |- | Intel 82801DB/DBM (onboard mbd) | 0x8086 | 0x24cd | 0x01 | <!--Boots-->{{Yes}} | <!--Detects-->{{Yes}} | <!--Works-->{{Maybe|}} | |- | NEC µPD720100AGM | 0x1033 | 0x00E0 | 0x | <!--Boots--> | <!--Detects--> | <!--Works-->{{Maybe|}} | {{N/A|untested - Amiga Spider card}} |- | NEC 72101 GJ | 0x1033 | 0x00e0 | 0x04 | <!--Boots-->{{Yes}} | <!--Detects-->{{Yes}} | <!--Works-->{{Maybe|}} | Belkin F5U219 VEA1 (pci), |- | SIS ECHI | 0x1039 | 0x7002 | 0x00 | <!--Boots-->{{No}} | <!--Detects-->{{Maybe|issues about which port is used if it works at all}} | <!--Works-->{{Maybe|}} | |- | VIA VT6202 | 0x1106 | 0x3104 | | <!--Boots-->{{No}} | <!--Detects-->{{Yes}} | <!--Works-->{{Maybe|}} | |- | VIA VT6212 (pci card) | 0x1106 | 0x3104 | 0x62 | <!--Boots-->{{No}} | <!--Detects-->{{Yes|detects}} | <!--Works-->{{Maybe|}} | |- |} === USB 3.x SuperSpeed SS (Speed 5Gbit/s 3.1 gen 1) aka xHCI eXtensible === USB Attached SCSI (UAS or UASP) is a protocol used for high-speed data transfer between computers and external storage devices like SSDs, HDDs, and some flash drives. It provides up to 70% faster read/write speeds than traditional Bulk-Only Transport (BOT) by allowing multiple commands to run in parallel, rather than waiting in a queue {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="5%" |Product ID ! width="5%" |Revision ! width="10%" |Boot from USB ! width="10%" |Detect USB device ! width="10%" |USB device works ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Description-->AMD | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Boots-->{{unk| }} | <!--Detects-->{{unk|}} | <!--Works-->{{unk|}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->AMD | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Boots-->{{unk| }} | <!--Detects-->{{unk|}} | <!--Works-->{{unk|}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->AMD | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Boots-->{{unk| }} | <!--Detects-->{{unk|}} | <!--Works-->{{unk|}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Fresco Logic FL1000 FL 1000 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1B73 | <!--Product ID-->0x1000 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Boots-->{{unk| }} | <!--Detects-->{{unk|}} | <!--Works-->{{unk|}} | <!--Opinion-->link power management (LPM, USB 3.0 power saving) cannot be disabled so random connection issues |- | <!--Description-->Fresco Logic FL1009-200 FL 1009 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID-->0x1009 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Boots-->{{unk| }} | <!--Detects-->{{unk|}} | <!--Works-->{{unk|}} | <!--Opinion-->Orico PFU3-2P |- | <!--Description-->Fresco Logic FL1100-100 FL 1100SX | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID-->0x1100 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Boots-->{{unk| }} | <!--Detects-->{{unk|}} | <!--Works-->{{unk|}} | <!--Opinion-->LPM cannot be disabled so issues with disconnecting WD drives etc - CalDigit, ORICO PFU3-2P, FASTA-6GU3 Pro, inatech KTU3FR-2P 2 port USB 3.0, and Inateck KT4004 (KTU3FR-4PA rev B2) for storage and hubs, etc |- | <!--Description-->Fresco Logic FL1400 FL 1400 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID-->0x1400 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Boots-->{{unk| }} | <!--Detects-->{{unk|}} | <!--Works-->{{unk|}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Fresco Logic | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID-->0x | <!--Revision--> | <!--Boots-->{{unk| }} | <!--Detects-->{{unk|}} | <!--Works-->{{unk|}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->NEC Renesas xHCI µPD720200 uPD720200a chip | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1d6b | <!--Product ID-->0x0194 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Boots-->{{unk| }} | <!--Detects-->{{unk|}} | <!--Works-->{{Maybe|no USB3 but seems to works like USB2}} | <!--Opinion-->recognized but not supported for USB3 but works like USB2 - ORICO PRU3-4P 4 Port USB, early Dell Wyse zx0 thin client, |- | <!--Description-->NEC Renesas xHCI µPD720201 uPD720201 chip | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID-->0x114 0x0115 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Boots-->{{unk| }} | <!--Detects-->{{unk|}} | <!--Works-->{{unk|}} | <!--Opinion-->recognized but not supported |- | <!--Description-->NEC Renesas xHCI µPD720202 uPD720202 chip | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1912 | <!--Product ID-->0x0015 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Boots-->{{unk| }} | <!--Detects-->{{unk|}} | <!--Works-->{{unk|}} | <!--Opinion-->recognized but not supported |- | <!--Description-->[http://www.ti.com/product/tusb7340 TI] tusb7340 TUSB732 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID-->0x8241 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Boots-->{{unk| }} | <!--Detects-->{{unk|}} | <!--Works-->{{unk|}} | <!--Opinion-->recognized but not supported Koutech IO-PEU436 but only one with open docs |- | <!--Description-->Intel xHCI | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Boots-->{{unk| }} | <!--Detects-->{{unk|}} | <!--Works-->{{unk|}} | <!--Opinion-->recognized but not supported - integrated since Ivybridge |- | <!--Description-->Intel xHCI | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Boots-->{{unk| }} | <!--Detects-->{{unk|}} | <!--Works-->{{unk|}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Marvell | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Boots-->{{unk| }} | <!--Detects-->{{unk|}} | <!--Works-->{{unk|}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Via Labs VL800 xHCI 0.96 support in VL800, VIA VL811 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID-->0x3432 0x3438 0x3515 and 0x9201 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Boots-->{{unk| }} | <!--Detects-->{{unk|}} | <!--Works-->{{Maybe|}} 2.0 backwards support | <!--Opinion-->Anker 68UPPCIE-2S20PU 2 port, Plugable 4-Port, GA-z77x-ud5h rev. 1.1 mobo, |- | <!--Description-->Via Labs VL811+ | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Boots-->{{unk| }} | <!--Detects-->{{unk|}} | <!--Works-->{{unk|}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Via Labs VL812 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Boots-->{{unk| }} | <!--Detects-->{{unk|}} | <!--Works-->{{unk|}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->xHCI 1.0 support in VL805 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Boots-->{{unk| }} | <!--Detects-->{{unk|}} | <!--Works-->{{unk|}} | <!--Opinion--> |- |} USB 3.1 (power up to 100W and data 10Gbit/s USB 3.2 gen 2 - USB-A Full size plug - USB-B micro USB size - USB-C reversible) {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="5%" |Product ID ! width="5%" |Revision ! width="10%" |Boot from USB ! width="10%" |Detect USB device ! width="10%" |USB device works ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Description-->Asmedia ASM1142 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1B21 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Boots-->{{N/A}} | <!--Detects-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Works-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->Connector: USB Type C and USB Type A x 1 - Ugreen USB C PCI Card 2 Port USB 3.1 Type C |- | <!--Description-->Marvell | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Boots-->{{N/A}} | <!--Detects-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Works-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->AMD | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Boots-->{{N/A}} | <!--Detects-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Works-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Intel | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Boots-->{{N/A}} | <!--Detects-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Works-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Intel xHCI | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Boots-->{{unk| }} | <!--Detects-->{{unk|}} | <!--Works-->{{unk|}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->[ Intel] Revision 1.8 1.9 Updated | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Boots-->{{unk| }} | <!--Detects-->{{unk|}} | <!--Works-->{{unk|}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->VLI | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Boots-->{{N/A}} | <!--Detects-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Works-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Opinion-->AUKEY 4 Ports USB C , |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Boots-->{{N/A}} | <!--Detects-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Works-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Opinion-->Startech - PEXUSB312C - 2-port Usb 3.1 10Gbit/s |- |} USB 3.2 (power up to 100W and data 20Gbit/s gen 2x2 - USB-A Full size plug - USB-B micro USB size - USB-C reversible) {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="5%" |Product ID ! width="5%" |Revision ! width="10%" |Boot from USB ! width="10%" |Detect USB device ! width="10%" |USB device works ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Description-->Marvell | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Boots-->{{N/A}} | <!--Detects-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Works-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->AMD | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Boots-->{{N/A}} | <!--Detects-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Works-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Intel | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Boots-->{{N/A}} | <!--Detects-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Works-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Intel xHCI | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Boots-->{{unk| }} | <!--Detects-->{{unk|}} | <!--Works-->{{unk|}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->[ Intel] Revision 2.6 Update | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Boots-->{{unk| }} | <!--Detects-->{{unk|}} | <!--Works-->{{unk|}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->VLI | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Boots-->{{N/A}} | <!--Detects-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Works-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Opinion--> |- |} === USB 4 (40Gbps thunderbolt, pcie 3.0 tunnelling, ) === {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="5%" |Product ID ! width="5%" |Revision ! width="10%" |Boot from USB ! width="10%" |Detect USB device ! width="10%" |USB device works ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Description-->Marvell | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Boots-->{{N/A}} | <!--Detects-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Works-->{{No| }} | |- | <!--Description-->AMD Ryzen7 6800U | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Boots-->{{N/A}} | <!--Detects-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Works-->{{No| }} | |- | <!--Description-->Intel Goshen Ridge JHL8440 Controller | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Boots-->{{N/A}} | <!--Detects-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Works-->{{No| }} | |- | <!--Description-->VLI | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Boots-->{{N/A}} | <!--Detects-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Works-->{{N/A|}} | |- |} == hid.class (Human Interface Device) == === Keyboard === Some multi-finger touchpad support works but not on all touchpads {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="50%" |Opinion |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->8BitDo Retro N C64 edition Keyboard, the super button accessory and optional N30 mouse | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 87 keys Kailh white}} |- | <!--Description-->8bitdo 108 Retro Mechanical Keyboard (white kailh) and two superbuttons (green) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | Apple Pro Keyboard | 0x05ac | 0x0205 | 0x0122 | {{yes|works (its two hub ports) but mouse scroll wheel issues}} |- | Apple Pro Keyboard | 0x05AC | 0x020B | | {{yes|works (two onboard ports also)}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Aigo K68 60% red switches, A68 A87 wireless 2G | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->[http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=49&products_id=973 AmigaOne Keyboard] | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{yes|works}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Akko TAC87 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| 80% TKL }} |- | <!--Description-->Akko MonsGeek FUN60 PRO&MAX HE | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| 60% hall effect }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Akko | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|2025 hall effect, good but expensive and software poor}} |- | <!--Description-->Akko | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2026 magnetic hall effect software should be better and surpasses mechanical}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->ATTACK SHARK X98 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 98% maybe silent linear feel with Two-color PBT keycap}} |- | <!--Description-->ATTACK SHARK X68HE | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 hall effect }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Azio Cascade | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2022 }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Chilkey ND75 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2024 good 75% expensive}} |- | <!--Description-->Chilkey ND104 (Wuque Studios) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 premium clicky (WS Blue) or silent (WS White) key options with Ansi and ISO formats also numpad and calculator, aluminum machined, tri mode, }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|2026 untested magnetic hall effect software should be better and surpasses mechanical}} |- | <!--Description-->Corsair K65 Mech MX no numeric keypad | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Corsair CH-9000045 K70 Blue MX | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Corsair K90 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Corsair K95 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Corsair K | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Cherry G80 G80-3000L[x]C[yy]-[z] | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Cooler Master CM Storm Quickfire Rapid | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Corsair K100 Air | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->2025 okay low profile but expensive |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|2027 magnetic hall effect software should be better and surpasses mechanical}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Opinion |- | <!--Description-->Dell SK-8135 Dell USB Keyboard for Internet and Multimedia rev H for Dimension 4500, Dimension 8250, OptiPlex GX260n, OptiPlex GX60n, Precision 350 (R42232) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x413C | <!--Product ID-->0x2010 | <!--Revision-->0200 | <!--Opinion-->{{Yes| usb1.1 keyboard hub 0x413C 0x1003 works as well - multimedia keys not mapped }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Deepcool KG722 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 65% }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Ducky Channel Zero DK2108 Mech Mechanical Cherry MX Red | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Ducky Shine 3 Brown or Blue (DK9087) MX keys | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Das Keyboard Model S Ultimate | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Epomaker Cidoo V75 Pro | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|2023 untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->epomaker rt100 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2024 plastic build and no screws, numpad with small 0, mostly quiet seasalt switches, gimmick usb-c 1in screen}} |- | <!--Description-->EPOMAKER TH99 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} USB-C full numpad keyboard |- | <!--Description-->eopmaker P75 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| expensive but good}} |- | <!--Description-->eopmaker p87 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| expensive but good}} |- | <!--Description-->epomaker x Leobog Hi75 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2024 }} |- | <!--Description-->epomaker x Feker Galaxy80 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2024 }} |- | <!--Description-->epomaker x Galaxy100 gmk/via | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2024 good 96% }} |- | <!--Description-->epomaker Aula F75 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2024 budget version good 75% choice of 4 leobog switches}} |- | <!--Description-->eopmaker Tide75 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2024 good 75% and not too expensive}} |- | <!--Description-->Epomaker Ajazz AK820 Pro | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2024 }} |- | <!--Description-->Epomaker Ajazz AK35I V3 MAX | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 104 keys - two models: wired and tri-mode connection - }} |- | <!--Description-->epomaker Aula F108 PRO | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 pricy but okay 100% but only leobog graywood switches but hotswap available afterwards}} |- | <!--Description-->eopmaker Ajazz AK980 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 97 keys }} |- | <!--Description-->Epomaker G87 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 }} |- | <!--Description-->Epomaker RT82 RT85 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 }} |- | <!--Description-->Epomaker RT100 Pro | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 96% }} |- | <!--Description-->epomaker x Galaxy100 lite | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 good 96% }} |- | <!--Description-->Epomaker | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2027 magnetic hall effect software should be better and surpasses mechanical}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Filco Ninja Majestouch-2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Focus FK-760 Wireless Keyboard & Trackball | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | {{yes|works}} but quality build issues raised |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|2027 magnetic hall effect software should be better and surpasses mechanical}} |- | <!--Description-->GMMK Tenkeyless | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested default Gateron Brown switches for Kailh Box Jades default Gateron Brown switches for Kailh Box Jades}} |- | <!--Description-->GK61 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|2023 untested }} |- | <!--Description-->GMK67 GMK87 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested budget good option}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|2027 magnetic hall effect software should be better and surpasses mechanical}} |- | <!--Description-->Hengchangtong HCT Limeme gk103s Entry Keyboard | <!--Vendor ID-->0xC0F4 | <!--Product ID-->0x0009 | <!--Revision-->0100 | <!--Opinion-->{{yes|half Keyboard left side only}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|2027 magnetic hall effect software should be better and surpasses mechanical}} |- | <!--Description-->Hexgears M2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|2024 untested hotswap kaihl green switches}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Hexgears | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product 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should be better and surpasses mechanical}} |- | <!--Description-->Jomaa YiChip Wireless 50% key with touchpad | <!--Vendor ID-->0x3151 | <!--Product ID-->0x3000 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|dongle detected, keys and pad not working - 2 AAA NM}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2027 magnetic hall effect software should be better and surpasses mechanical}} |- | <!--Description-->Keychron q0 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|2022 untested numpad only}} |- | <!--Description-->Keychron q1 v1 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|2022 untested okay}} |- | <!--Description-->Keychron Q6 Max | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|2023 untested 75% with numeric numpad, barebones so choose switches and keycaps to suit }} |- | <!--Description-->Keychron q1 MAX V1 MAX | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|2023 untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Keychron Lemokey P1 QMK | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested best option to customise switches and keycaps}} |- | <!--Description-->Keychron LemoKey X1 X3 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|2024 untested keycap swap only not switches}} |- | <!--Description-->Keychron K2HE | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested okay}} wireless hall effect analogue on all keys |- | <!--Description-->Keychron K4HE | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|2025 untested hall effect but software }} |- | <!--Description-->Keychron K5 K17 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 untested okay low profile but }} |- | <!--Description-->Keychron Q5 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 }} |- | <!--Description-->Keychron K10 HE | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|2027 magnetic hall effect software should be better and surpasses mechanical}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2024 }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2024 }} |- | <!--Description-->Kiiboom Breeze 75 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|2025 good 75% }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|2025 }} |- | <!--Description-->Meletrix Boog 75 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|2024 magnetic hall effect, good but expensive and software poor}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|2025 }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|2025 }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|2027 magnetic hall effect software should be better and surpasses mechanical}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|2025 }} |- | <!--Description-->Melgeek O2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|2025 low profile 75% but not repairable}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|2027 magnetic hall effect software should be better and surpasses mechanical}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|2025 }} |- | <!--Description-->MOSART 2.4G Wireless 60% Keyboard Trackball | <!--Vendor ID-->0x062a | <!--Product ID-->0x4105 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{Yes|dongle recognised HID, keys worked, roller worked, scroll wheel works and shoulders works but buttons around left, top and right hand side (RHS) do not work and plastic and 2 AA MN1500}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Mucai SiGma Micro MKA610 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1c4f | <!--Product ID-->0x0084 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No| unknown red keys - rgb backlighting - }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Opinion |- | <!--Description-->[http://hjldemo.clsc.cn/ Guangzhou Zhentian Electronics Ltd] Perixx Periboard 505 Plus with Trackball | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{Yes|okay dome keyboard - poor trackball}} |- | <!--Description-->Guangzhou Zhentian Electronics Co., Ltd Perixx Periboard 706 Plus with Trackball Wireless | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{Yes|generally okay dome with good sized keys but piano black surround fingerprint magnet, occasional brief trackball freezes after no use, takes some time to get used to the trackball size}} |- | <!--Description-->Perixx Periboard-716 Wireless (Chicony) | <!--Vendor ID-->04f2:1013 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{Yes|okay dome keyboard and trackpad}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> {{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->Perixx Periboard- | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{Unk|okay keyboard}} |- | <!--Description-->Perixx Periboard- | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{Unk|okay keyboard}} |- | <!--Description-->Lenovo SK-8825 41A5327 SIL12-W07 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->works manufactured for |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Lite-On USB NetVista Full Width Keyboard | <!--Vendor ID-->0x04b3 | <!--Product ID-->0x3025 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->works |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Logitech K320 Wireless Keyboard | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|The Logitech USB Unifying, Bolt, Lightspeed, or Nano receiver pairing}} |- | <!--Description-->Logitech K340 Wireless Keyboard | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|The Logitech Unifying Receiver pairing}} |- | <!--Description-->Logitech K400 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{Unk|okay keyboard}} |- | <!--Description--> [http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/wireless-touch-keyboard-k400r Logitech Wireless Touch Keyboard k400] | <!--Vendor ID--> 0x046D | <!--Product ID--> 0xC52B | <!--Revision--> 1201 | <!--Opinion--> {{yes|All (including multimedia) keys work. Some keys requires remapping with Trident. Touchpad works and acts as normal mouse. Presents itself in Trident as USB Receiver from Logitech with 3 HID bindings}} |- | <!--Description-->Logitech K400 Plus K400+ | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{Unk|okay keyboard}} |- | <!--Description-->Logitech K600 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{Unk|okay keyboard}} |- | <!--Description-->Logitech TK820 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{Unk|okay keyboard}} |- | <!--Description-->Logitech TK830 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{Unk|okay keyboard}} |- | <!--Description-->Logitech G915 TKL | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{Unk|okay keyboard TKL means no number pad}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2027 magnetic hall effect software should be better and surpasses mechanical}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Lofree Lite84 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 }} |- | <!--Description-->Lofree Flow Lite100 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 silent switches and low profile keys}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Opinion |- | <!--Description-->MACHENIKE K500 Wired | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|2024 94 keys untested Hot Swappable 94 Keys 90% Layout }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->MechLands Vibe99 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|2024 100 keys untested Gasket-mounted Wired/Bluetooth/2.4GHz Wireless Mechanical Keyboard}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Microsoft Comfortable Curve 2000 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no| recognized but not supported}} |- | <!--Description-->Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|recognized but not supported}} |- | <!--Description-->Microsoft Wireless Media Desktop 1000 (1356) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x045e | <!--Product ID-->0x00f9 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{maybe|working but not mouse part}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2027 magnetic hall effect software should be better and surpasses mechanical}} |- | <!--Description-->Niz Micro84 Duo82 X87 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2022 electro capacitive }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2027 magnetic hall effect software should be better and surpasses mechanical}} |- | <!--Description-->nuphy gem80 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| expensive but good}} |- | <!--Description-->nuphy kick 75 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 low profile 75% }} |- | <!--Description-->nuphy Air75 V3 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 75% }} |- | <!--Description-->nuphy node 100 | <!--Vendor 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Razer] Lycosa | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Razer Blackwidow 2013 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Razr Blackwidow Ultimate | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Razer Cynosa Lite V2 | <!--Vendor ID-->1532 | <!--Product ID-->0x023f | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Razer DeathStalker | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Razer HuntsMan | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Razer Ornata | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Razer Orbweaver Chroma Keypad | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1532 | <!--Product ID-->0207 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Razer Tartarus Keypad | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested not hall effect and very expensive}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|2027 magnetic hall effect software should be better and surpasses mechanical}} |- | <!--Description-->Redragon K668 RGB Gaming Keyboard Wired | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|2023 untested 108 Keys Mechanical Keyboard w/Extra 4 Hotkeys Upgraded Hot-swappable Socket，Red Switch}} |- | <!--Description-->Redragon K689 PRO Wireless | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|2024 untested Gasket RGB Gaming Keyboard, 108 Keys Mechanical Keyboard w/Extra 4 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be better and surpasses mechanical}} |- | <!--Description-->Royal Kludge RK65 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested cream switches }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|2028 magnetic hall effect software should be better and surpasses mechanical}} |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Opinion |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->SINO WEALTH Gaming KB SkyLion K68 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x258a | <!--Product ID-->0x003a | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No| blue stalks with rgb lighting}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->SKYLOONG GK104 Pro | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested gateron }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|2028 magnetic hall effect software should be better and surpasses mechanical}} |- | <!--Description-->SteelSeries | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->TeckNet x300 2.4G Keyboard Mouse MosART | <!--Vendor ID-->0x062A | <!--Product ID-->0x4101 | <!--Revision-->0312 | <!--Opinion-->{{Yes|1 AAA for each and works well - mouse slightly better built than keyboard rubberised membrane}} |- | <!--Description-->TeckNet X331 HDE 2.4G Keyboard wireless RCMCU | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0C45 | <!--Product ID-->0x7000 | <!--Revision-->0001 | <!--Opinion-->{{Yes|wireless can be glitchy but few extra keys are mapped }} |- | <!--Description-->TeckNet X500 2.4G Keyboard Mouse MOSArt | <!--Vendor ID-->0x062A | <!--Product ID-->0x2901 | <!--Revision-->0112 | <!--Opinion-->{{Yes|works well especially large touchpad - usual rubber domed membraned keyboard mechanism }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Tecware Specter | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested good 75%}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2028 magnetic hall effect software should be better and surpasses mechanical}} |- | <!--Description-->Unicomp Model M USB 104 key | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} IBM's and later Lexmark buckling spring switches |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Varmilo Minilo Bluebell (prestige silent) and Eculapytus (violet tactile) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2023 75% plastic build no screws not great to mod}} |- | <!--Description-->Varmilo Sword 68 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| expensive but good}} |- | <!--Description-->Varmilo 98 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2024 expensive but good and Kailh silent}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2028 magnetic hall effect software should be better and surpasses mechanical}} |- | <!--Description-->Weikav Velocifire Choice65 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Weikav Velocifire Lucky65 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2024 }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2028 magnetic hall effect software should be better and surpasses mechanical}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Wobkey Crush80 Reboot Pro | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2024 very good but expensive Aluminum Hotswap Wireless RGB}} |- | <!--Description-->Wobkey Rainy 75 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2024 good 75% but not as expensive CNC Aluminum HMX/JWK/Cocoa Switches}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2028 magnetic hall effect software should be better and surpasses mechanical}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Wooting HE60 HE80 HE90 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2024 hall effect but expensive with good software}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|2028 magnetic hall effect software should be better and surpasses mechanical}} |- | <!--Description-->Womier WK61 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|2021 untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Womier Sk71 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2024 }} |- | <!--Description-->Womier Sk75 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2024 }} |- | <!--Description-->Womier Sk75 TMR | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 hall effect }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2028 magnetic hall effect software should be better and surpasses mechanical}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Xenta White Wireless HK6718B+HM3302--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{Maybe|works with Raspberry Pi untested on AROS native}} |- | <!--Description-->Xinmeng X87 MAGIC_REFINER | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2024 untested keycap swap but not hotswapable switches}} |- | <!--Description-->Yunzii AL66 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| milk switches, cherry PBT, }} |- | <!--Description-->Yunzi B75 Pro | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2024 budget good with cocoa cream switches }} |- | <!--Description-->Yunzii AL75 Pro | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|good budget option with swappable switches, }} |- | <!--Description-->Yunzii AL80 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 switches }} |- | <!--Description-->Yunzi C75 Pro | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 budget good with switches }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|2028 magnetic hall effect software should be better and surpasses mechanical}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- |} <pre> linear - creamy tactile - thocky clicky - clacky </pre> <pre > Cherry MX Black are linear switches (no feedback); good for gaming. Cherry MX Red are linear (less noise no click) but more squishy; Cherry MX Brown are in between Blue and Red in style and tactile; Cherry MX Clear switches have soft tactile feedback (with no click). Cherry MX Blue have tactile feedback with a click (noisy); good for typing. Gateron Yellows KS-3, KS-3x47 or better Pros have a milky top and black bottom and linear TTC Silent Frozen v2. Linear and dead silent Mouse the huano brown with yellow dot for silent mouse clicks Kailh red dust proof encoder for smooth and close to silent scrolling Boba U4 Silent Tactile switches Husky linears HMX </pre > === Mouse === if the USB mouse is non-functional put a USB pendrive in before or add the following to user-startup in '''s''' drawer/folder/directory sys:prefs/trident NOGUI > NIL: {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" | Brand ! width="20%" | Description ! width="10%" | Model ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="50%" |Opinion |- | 3Dconnexion | 3D Mouse | <!--Model-->[http://www.3dconnexion.com/products/spacenavigator.html SpaceNavigator] | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | {{N/A|untested}} |- | 3Dconnexion | 3D Mouse | <!--Model-->SpacePilot Pro | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | {{N/A|untested}} |- | 3Dconnexion | Mouse | <!--Model-->SpaceExplorer | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | {{N/A|untested}} |- | 3Dconnexion | Wireless Mouse | <!--Model-->SpaceMouse | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | {{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Brand-->3D Optical | <!--Description-->Wired | <!--Model--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0000:3825 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> {{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Brand--> | <!--Description--> | <!--Model--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> {{N/A|untested}} |- | Belkin | Combo mouse | | 0x05FE | 0x0011 | Low 0100 | {{yes|works}} |- | <!--Brand--> | <!--Description--> | <!--Model--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> {{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Brand-->Cytec | <!--Description-->Wired Mouse Gaming | <!--Model-->R.A.T 5 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> {{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Brand--> | <!--Description--> | <!--Model--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> {{N/A|untested}} |- | Dell | Mouse | MO56UC | 0x413C | 0x3200 | | {{yes|works}} |- | <!--Brand--> | <!--Description--> | <!--Model--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> {{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Brand--> | <!--Description--> | <!--Model--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> {{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Brand-->equatech / clone logitech | <!--Description-->wireless mouse | <!--Model-->49779 / M185 | <!--Vendor ID--> 3151:2020 later 3151:3020 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> {{Yes|detected and works}} |- | <!--Brand--> | <!--Description--> | <!--Model--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> {{N/A|untested}} |- | Hama | RF Optical Mouse | AM-6000 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | {{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Brand-->Keychron | <!--Description-->Optical | <!--Model-->M3 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> {{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Brand-->Keychron | <!--Description-->Optical | <!--Model-->M5 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> {{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Brand-->Keycron | <!--Description-->Optical Wireless | <!--Model-->M6 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> {{N/A|untested 1k polling and 16k dpi }} |- | <!--Brand-->Keychron | <!--Description-->Optical Wireless | <!--Model-->M7 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> {{N/A|untested barebones 1k polling and 16k dpi, great for small hands, loud clicks}} |- | <!--Brand--> | <!--Description--> | <!--Model--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> {{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Brand-->LogiCAD 3D | <!--Description-->3D Mouse | <!--Model-->Magellan | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | {{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Brand--> | <!--Description--> | <!--Model--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> {{N/A|untested}} |- | Logitech | Cordless Desktop Navigator | <!--Model--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | {{No|The Logitech Unifying Receiver pairing}} |- | Logitech Inc. | First/Pilot Wheel Mouse | N48/M-BB48 M-BE58 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | {{N/A|untested }} |- | Logitech | Wireless mouse | [http://www.logitech.com/en-roeu/mice_pointers/mice/devices/5484 M305] | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | {{yes|works}} |- | Logitech | Wireless RF Mouse | MK710 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | {{No|The Logitech Unifying Receiver pairing}} |- | <!--Brand-->Logitech | <!--Description-->Wireless Mouse | <!--Model-->MX Master Anywhere 2S | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> {{No|untested}} micro USB charge port on front |- | <!--Brand-->Logitech | <!--Description-->Wireless | <!--Model-->M220 silent | <!--Vendor ID-->0x | <!--Product ID-->0x | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|}} |- | <!--Brand-->Logitech Logi | <!--Description-->Optical | <!--Model-->MX Master 3S | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> {{No|2021 untested usb-c bluetooth, inbuilt battery but muted clicks}} |- | <!--Brand-->Logitach | <!--Description-->Optical | <!--Model-->G502 X Plus | <!--Vendor ID-->0x | <!--Product ID-->0x | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|2022 very clicky}} |- | <!--Brand-->Logitech | <!--Description-->Optical | <!--Model-->MX Master 4 MXM | <!--Vendor ID-->0x | <!--Product ID-->0x | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|Bluetooth usb-c dongle, inbuilt lithium battery}} |- | <!--Brand--> | <!--Description--> | <!--Model--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> {{N/A|untested}} |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Brand | Description | Model | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Opinion--> |- | <!--Brand-->Maxxter | <!--Description-->Wireless | <!--Model--> | <!--Vendor ID-->248a:8566 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> {{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Brand-->Maxxter | <!--Description-->Wireless | <!--Model--> | <!--Vendor ID-->248a:8518 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> {{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Brand-->OrzerHome Maxxter | <!--Description-->Wireless | <!--Model--> | <!--Vendor ID-->248a:8514 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> {{N/A|untested 1 aa with no on/off switch }} |- | <!--Brand--> | <!--Description--> | <!--Model--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> {{N/A|untested}} |- | Microsoft | Wheel Mouse optical | <!--Model--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | {{N/A|untested}} |- | Microsoft | Sidewinder Mouse | <!--Model--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | {{N/A|untested}} |- | Microsoft | IntelliMouse Explorer USB optical | <!--Model--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | {{N/A|untested}} |- | Microsoft | Wireless Optical Mouse 2000 | | 0x045E | 0x00F9 | | {{no|not working see keyboard Media Desktop 2000 above}} |- | <!--Brand-->Microsoft | <!--Description--> | <!--Model-->1461 1447 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> {{No|usb dongle matched to one mouse only no others}} |- | <!--Brand--> | <!--Description--> | <!--Model--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> {{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Brand--> | <!--Description--> | <!--Model--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> {{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Brand-->Razer | <!--Description-->USB optical | <!--Model-->Orochi | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> {{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Brand-->Razer | <!--Description-->USB optical | <!--Model-->Mamba | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> {{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Brand-->Razer | <!--Description-->USB optical | <!--Model-->Naga | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> {{N/A|untested}} 17 buttons |- | <!--Brand-->Razer | <!--Description-->USB Optical | <!--Model-->Naga Hex V2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> {{N/A|untested}} MOBA Gaming Mouse, Professional Grade 16,000 DPI Sensor - RGB lighting |- | <!--Brand-->Razer | <!--Description-->USB optical | <!--Model-->DeathAdder | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> {{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Brand-->Razer | <!--Description-->USB optical | <!--Model-->Viper | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> {{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Brand-->Razer | <!--Description-->USB optical | <!--Model-->Basilisk V3 Pro | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> {{N/A|untested 1k polling, 35k dpi, }} |- | <!--Brand--> | <!--Description--> | <!--Model--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> {{N/A|untested}} |- | Trust | Slimline Lasermouse | <!--Model--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | {{N/A|untested}} |- | SteelSeries | Tobii EyeX EyeMobile PCEye | Eye Tracking Control | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | {{N/A|untested}} gaze interaction track technology for augment augmentative and alternative communication (AAC). |- | <!--Brand--> | <!--Description--> | <!--Model--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> {{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Brand-->The Eye Tribe Tracker | <!--Description-->Eye | <!--Model--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> {{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Brand--> | <!--Description-->USB Optical Mouse | <!--Model-->MV3000 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x192f | <!--Product ID-->0x0916 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{yes|works}} |- | <!--Brand--> | <!--Description--> | <!--Model--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> {{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Brand--> | <!--Description--> | <!--Model--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> {{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Brand--> | <!--Description--> | <!--Model--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> {{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Brand--> | <!--Description--> | <!--Model--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> {{N/A|untested}} |} === Trackball === {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="50%" |Opinion |- | <!--Description-->3Dconnexion SpaceBall 5000 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | {{N/A|untested}} Labtec designed and rolled into new company 3dconnexion 2001 by owners Logitech |- | <!--Description-->ACCO Kensington Orbit optical F1233A | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Kensington Turbo Mouse 64210 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Clearly Superior Technologies. Model:CST 1000-RC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Logitech Trackman Marble Mouse Wired USB | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Logitech Cordless Trackman Wheel | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Logitech Optical Trackman T-RB22 - Cordless | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Logitech M570 wireless | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Microsoft Trackball Mouse Optical 1.0 USB | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Microsoft X05-87473 Trackball USB Optical | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- |} === KVM === {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="50%" |Opinion |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->NanoKVM | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- |} === Gamepad === Controllers have mostly decided that the left analog joystick is keyboard equivalent of WASD and right joystick is your mouse. You also have 2 bumpers above the triggers. Shoot could be right trigger (so it doesn't involve taking your thumb off the right joystick). Face buttons for reloading or jump or other non-critical functions. Crank up the sensitivity and practice. Testing can be done with the TRIDENT Prefs, [https://devicetests.com/controller-tester html5], [https://greggman.github.io/html5-gamepad-test/ html5], or [https://gamepad-tester.com/ Tester] ==== Dinput Poseidon Default Plugin - Playstation(TM) style ==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="35%" |Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="5%" |Product ID ! width="5%" |Revision ! width="10%" |Merge with USB on Digital Pad ! width="10%" |Analogue Hack with Analog Stick ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Betop Betong Bat D2E BTP-BD2E XD4D2E | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Gravis Eliminator Gamepad Pro USB | <!--Vendor ID-->047d | <!--Product ID-->4005 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{N/A}} | <!--Opinion-->2002 2d only |- | Hama Black Force USB Gamepad | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Opinion-->2003 psx clone look |- | <!--Description-->Jess Tech Game Elements Philips GGE909 PC Recoil Pad | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Merge with USB on Digital Pad | Analogue Hack with Analog Stick | Opinion |- | [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCbAmIhj6P4 Logitech Wingman Precision USB] G-UC3B | <!--Vendor ID-->0x046d | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{N/A| }} | 2002 no 3D but good for 2D retro games like Turrican II |- | <!--Description-->Logitech Wingman Action Pad G-UB3A | <!--Vendor ID-->0x046d | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{Maybe|untested }} | <!--Opinion-->2002 1 blue lucid translucent - thin analog stick N64 type - |- | Logitech Wingman RumblePad UB05B | <!--Vendor ID-->0x046d | 0xc20a | 1.12 | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{Maybe|untesed }} | 2000 twin blue analogue sticks N64 type - poor 2d controls with single molded blue piece - vibration feedback - single shoulder buttons with throttle control below right one |- | Logitech Wingman Cordless RumblePad G-RA4A | <!--Vendor ID-->0x046d | 0xc211 | 1.12 | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{Maybe|untested }} | 2001 twin blue analogue sticks N64 type - poor 2d controls with single molded black piece - vibration feedback - dual shoulder buttons L1 L2 R1 R2 with blue throttle control below right one - 4 aa mn1500 batteries; life not great - C-UD10A usb dongle - overall big and bulky |- | <!--Description-->Logitech Precision Wired G-UG15 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x046d | <!--Product ID-->0x | <!--Revision-->0x | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{N/A|N/A}} | <!--Opinion-->2002 psx styling blue outer shell - no 3D analog and no shoulder buttons - no rumble |- | <!--Description-->Logitech Cordless Precision G-X2E14A | <!--Vendor ID-->0x046d | <!--Product ID-->0x | <!--Revision-->0x | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{N/A|N/A}} | <!--Opinion-->2002 ps2 styling blue outer shell - no 3D analog and no shoulder buttons - no rumble |- | <!--Description-->Logitech G-X5C11A Cordless Precision Wireless Controllers | <!--Vendor ID-->0x046d | <!--Product ID-->0x | <!--Revision-->0x | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{N/A|N/A}} | <!--Opinion-->2002 psx styling black outer shell - no 3D analog and no shoulder buttons - no rumble |- | [http://www.testfreaks.co.uk/game-console-accessories-controls/logitech-dual-actiontm-gamepad/ Logitech Dual Action] * G-UD8 has no mode (2D only?) button and no rumble * G-UF13A later | <!--Vendor ID-->0x046d | 0xc2 | | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{Yes|[http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=7018&forum=12 G-UF13A tested only]}} | 2003 New body shape psx style - dual analog 3D sticks - 4 small travel shoulder triggers no 5,6,7,8 |- | Logitech RumblePad 2 G-UF13 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x046d | 0xc218 | 1.00 | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{Yes| }} | 2006 light blue top/black base - twin analogues 3D along with dual short travel shoulder buttons - rumble present - |- | <!--Description-->[Logitech RumblePad 2 Cordless] * G-RC?? OLD version that take FOUR batteries and RED Logitech logo * G-RC14 uses TWO batteries has an ORANGE logo - dongle C-UE10 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x046d | <!--Product ID-->0xc219 | <!--Revision-->0x0200 | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{Yes|mostly}} | <!--Opinion-->2008 may have to remove 1 battery - G-RC?? 5 + 7 buttons - G-RC14 use buttons 6 + 8 to reset sticks - replace battery and push large button on receiver - |- | <!--Description-->Logitech F310 Wired Dual Action G-U0001 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x046d | <!--Product ID-->0xc21 | <!--Revision-->0x | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{Yes|D mode switch}} | <!--Opinion-->2010 dual analog 3D with pc-xbox/psx switch on back (only D works) - both rear shoulder RT LT buttons have excess travel - no rumble vibration - |- | <!--Description-->Logitech F510 Wired G-UG0002 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x046d | <!--Product ID-->0xc21 | <!--Revision-->0x | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Opinion-->2010 dual analog with dual xbox pc/psx X/D switched compatibility modes - |- | Logitech F710 Wireless / Cordless RumblePad 2 G-R0001 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x046d | 0xc219 | 3.05 | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{Maybe| }} | When switch on top set to D and nano receiver for each controller to pair - 2 aa mn1500 batteries required - rumble support sometimes - rear back shoulder buttons excessive travel needed |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Merge with USB on Digital Pad | Analogue Hack with Analog Stick | Opinion |- | <!--Description-->Megaworld 'TIME' USB pad | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0735 | <!--Product ID-->0x9902 | <!--Revision-->Low 0100 | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{No |}} | <!--Opinion-->2000 Poor quality |- | <!--Description-->Microsoft * SideWinder Precision Pro USB (1997) * SideWinder Precision 2 (1998) * Game Pad Pro (1999) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Microsoft Sidewinder Game Pad USB | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad-->{{yes| }}} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{yes| }} | <!--Opinion-->[https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1149&rowstart=140&pid=5934#post_5931 must setup first] |- | <!--Description-->Microsoft Sidewinder Gamepad X04 Freestyle | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{N/A|N/A }} | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} 1998 might need USB adapter |- | <!--Description-->Microsoft Sidewinder X05 63895 92626 Flight stick | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->{{Yes|2000 [https://ae.amigalife.org/index.php?topic=929.msg11309#new tested]}} |- | <!--Description-->Microsoft Sidewinder Flight Stick X08-58736 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Microsoft Plug & Play Game Pad (2000) SideWinder Joystick (2000) Game Pad 2.0 (2001) SideWinder Force Feedback 2 (2002) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->2002 long-standing static buildup problem and Force Feedback 2 was the removal of the power brick |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | Saitek [http://www.testfreaks.co.uk/game-console-accessories-controls/saitek-ps1000/ PS1000 Cyborg V.1], [http://www.testfreaks.co.uk/game-console-accessories-controls/saitek-ps2700-rumble-pad/ PS2700] | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->2000 no rumble function |- | Saitek [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xG0v-hf6ZPA P2600] [http://compactiongames.about.com/od/hardware/tp/gamepads.htm P3600], | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->2000 no rumble function |- | Saitek P2900 wireless | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | {{N/A|untested but runs on 1 AA battery}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Merge with USB on Digital Pad | Analogue Hack with Analog Stick | Opinion |- | <!--Description-->Sony Batoh PS3 mini USB Wired hookup [http://ps3.jim.sh/sixaxis/usb/ SIXAXIS] *PCB Ribbon Notes *Protos ALPS MSU Rev3 M3 and the later CBEH-1019 *? SA1Q135A for sixaxis *PP4 *V2 *V25 *VX SA1Q146A first dualshock 3 model *VX SA1Q147A CECHZC2U (USA) *VX35 SA1Q159A *VX3 SA1Q160A *VX? SA1Q188A *VX4 SA1Q189A shipped with a CECH-2504 datecode 0C *VX5 SA1Q194A changed design ALPS, PS button changes *VX6 SA1Q195A red case, *VX7 SA1Q222A superslims 2 ribbons *VX8 SA1Q224A superslims 2 ribbons | <!--Vendor ID-->0x054c | <!--Product ID-->0x0268 | <!--Revision-->1.00 | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad-->{{No|}} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{No|}} | <!--Opinion-->Sometimes detected but no support - no sixaxis features detected - mini usb lead will have varying results - |- | <!--Description-->Sony PS4 *JDM JDS 001 010 011 *JDM 030 040 055 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Sony PS5 Dual Sense | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Speed Link Strike 2 FX | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Thrustmaster Firestorm Dual Power 2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{Yes|[http://www.morphzone.org/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=7018&forum=12 only 1 axis joystick only]}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Trust Predator GM-1500 GM-1520 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Merge with USB on Digital Pad | Analogue Hack with Analog Stick | Opinion |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Haute42 M series Aluminum Metal Joystick Hitbox Controller Arcade Fighting Stick | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Haute42 T series | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Haute42 G series Gamefinger G12 G13 G16 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> plastic - |- | <!--Description-->Haute42 S series | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> thinner and lighter than G series |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Mad Catz sf2 fightstick | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Mayflash Datel Paewang Arcade Pro Stick | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Mayflash F300 Fighting Stick | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Mayflash F500 Fighting Stick | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Pico Flatbox GP2040-CE Hot Swappable Mini Hitbox Keyboard | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> default it is configured for PS4 but before plugging usbc cable in, X for Dinput, B Xinput, RT HID - plastic build case - Rev4 based on RP2040 chip and firmware is based on GP2040-CE (Community Edition) - |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Shenzhen Onebitdo Tech 8bitdo Fighting stick | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Venom 8 button | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} ==== Xinput Xbox Style Plugin ==== 2018 extension added originally called AROSx but later redacted. Latest [https://github.com/medusalix/xone linux driver] might be useful. {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="35%" |Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="5%" |Product ID ! width="5%" |Revision ! width="10%" |Merge with USB on Digital Pad ! width="10%" |Analogue Hack with Analog Stick ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Description-->8bitdo Ultimate C Wired 82CB (Shenzhen ONEBITDO TECH - GWOWO) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x2dc8 | <!--Product ID-->0x3106 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->2022 - 4 t6 torx screws - non hall effect so drifting issues - triggers go faulty often - |- | <!--Description-->8bitdo Ultimate 2C Wired Controller 82CD | <!--Vendor ID-->0x2dc8 | <!--Product ID-->0x310A | <!--Revision-->0114 | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->2024 - HID keyboard assigned - 4 t6 torx screws - hall effect analogs and triggers - 1000Hz polling - |- | <!--Description-->8bitdo Ultimate 2C wireless | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->2024 - 400mw battery - hall effect 3d nubs and triggers - micro switch shoulder buttons - d-pad poor for retro games - |- | <!--Description-->8bitdo ULtimate Mini Wired Controller for Xbox | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->2024 hall effect |- | <!--Description-->8BitDo Pro 2 *Wired Controller *Wireless *Bluetooth | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->2024 hall effect - playstation style layout for pc - slide button for S-A-D-X switch, android, dinput or xinput - |- | <!--Description-->8BitDo Pro 2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->2025 tmr hall effect analogs, hall effect triggers and some microswitches - button swap - ps2 style layout - |- | <!--Description-->8bitdo Ultimate 3 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->2026 - mw battery - hall effect 3d nubs and triggers - micro switch shoulder buttons - d-pad for retro games - |- | <!--Description-->8BitDo Pro 3 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->2026 hall effect analogs, hall effect triggers and some microswitches - button swap - ps2 style layout - |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Ace Aurora | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->2025 hall effect joysticks with no deadzone mode, gyro, linear rumble, trigger stops, back paddles, button swap, macro, turbo, RGB LED effects - tri-mode connection - |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Betop Beitong Spartan BTP-2270U | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion--> no hall effect |- | <!--Description-->Betop Betong Asura 2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion--> no hall effect - noble linear trigger potentiometer and alps shoulder LB/RB micro switch |- | <!--Description-->BEITONG ASURA 2 Pro+ Game Controller Wireless Gamepad | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Beitong Zeus 2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->BebonCool Dinofire Model Number: Q218 / TP28 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->2021 - triggers aren't progressive but ON/OFF - |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->EasySMX X05 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->2024 hall effect analog and triggers - tri mode connection - |- | <!--Description-->EasySMX Wireless Controller PC PS3, 9013pro ESM-9013PRO | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->2024 linear hall effect but device sometimes will not connect tried multiple attempts with the dongle |- | <!--Description-->EasySMX X10 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->EasySMX X20 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->2024 ABXY MICRO SWITCH - Bumpers Tactile switch Hall Effect analog |- | <!--Description-->EasySMX X15 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->2025 hall effect analog and triggers - membrane buttons - |- | <!--Description-->EasySMX S10 Wireless Gamepad | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->2025 TMR Hall effect and compatible with Switch 2/PC/Phone/TV/Steam, NFC, Gyro, HD Rumble - |- | <!--Description-->EasySMX | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->202 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Fantech World EOS Pro WGP15 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->2024 hall effect trigger and sticks,2 back paddles, motion controlling |- | <!--Description-->Fantech EOS PRO II S | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->2025 controller with TMR hall effect analogues, mechanical face buttons and D-pad, 63 input macro, back paddles, turbo - analog triggers with trigger stops - tri mode bt wifi and wired - slide switch on back for switch, macos/android and xinput - |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Flydigi Apex | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->2023 luxury model |- | <!--Description-->Flydigi Vader Pro 3 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->2023 the Pro(Hall Effects) and Non-Pro (No Hall) |- | <!--Description-->Flydigi Direwolf 2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->2023 hall effect sticks and triggers - poor wifi connection - |- | <!--Description-->Flydigi Apex 4 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->2024 luxury model |- | <!--Description-->Flydigi Vader 4 Pro | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->2024 - hall effect, DInput mode (o+A hold) - |- | <!--Description-->Flydigi Direwolf 3 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->2024 hall effect analog and triggers but membrane buttons with gold contacts - 800mhA battery - |- | <!--Description-->Flydigi Dunefox | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->2024 basic model hall effect analog and triggers but membrane buttons - 500mha battery - no gyros - |- | <!--Description-->Flydigi Vader 5 Pro | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->2025 - hall effect stick with tension control, linear triggers, DInput mode (o+A hold) - |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Gamesir T4K Keleid, T4C Cyclone wired | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 poor to ok switch |- | <!--Description-->Gamesir Nova | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad-->{{no|| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{no| }} | <!--Opinion-->2024 - switch type layout |- | <!--Description-->Guangzhou Chicken Run Network Tech Nova Lite GameSir-T4n LITE - Zikway HID gamepad *[https://www.reddit.com/r/Gamesir/comments/1c185ve/psa_keep_gamesir_nova_lite_t4n_lite_firmware_at/ fw 4200 seems to be xbox so B then Home for Xinput (green LED), A then Home for HID BT Android (green/yellow LED), Y then Home for Switch Pro (Red LED)] or X then Home for Wifi and start and select to alternatively swap modes * and if on [https://www.reddit.com/r/Gamesir/comments/1c185ve/psa_keep_gamesir_nova_lite_t4n_lite_firmware_at/ fw 5700 ds4 so Home + B (blue LED), ] * firmware 6900 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x3537 | <!--Product ID-->0x1040 0x1041 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad-->{{no| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{no| }} | <!--Opinion-->2024 - hall effect 3d nubs - no usb-c cable - rubber membrane analog trigger travel and bumpers shoulder buttons - wifi 2.4G and bluetooth - xbox layout so ab and xy might need to be swapped via m and a buttons for switch type [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po-nNuC5fps fixes video] - 250Hz polling - 600mah battery - rigid carry case - poor d-pad esp diagonals - gamesir settings software only on android 6+ or ios based only - |- | <!--Description-->Gamesir Nova 2 Lite | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->GameSir G7 SE Wired Controller | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->2024 hall effect |- | <!--Description-->GameSir G8 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Gamesir TEGENARIA T3 Lite Wired | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->2024 playstation aesthetic hall effect analog and membrane buttons - X+Home button connects as an Xbox controller |- | <!--Description-->GameSir Cyclone 2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->2024 TMR Joysticks with anti-friction rings and metal anti-friction rings around the stems, gyro, rumble, macro, turbo, 2 back paddles, hall analog triggers with micro-switch trigger - tri mode bluetooth, 2.4GHz wifi and wired, 1000hz polling rate - gamesir connect software - |- | <!--Description-->GameSir G7 Pro for Xbox | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->2024 TMR hall effect - hall effect triggers, tri mode connection - gamesir nexus software - |- | <!--Description-->GameSir Super Nova Pro | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->2026 hall effect sticks and triggers, 1000Hz polling, tri mode connectivity, |- | <!--Description-->GameSir | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->GameSir | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->GameSir | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->GuliKit | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->GuliKit KingKong 2 NS08 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->Electromagnetic Stick hall effect - hall linear triggers - Mechanical face buttons - wired and wireless - Built-in rechargeable lithium battery |- | <!--Description-->GuliKit KingKong 2 PRO NS09 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->hall efect - wired and wireless - Mechanical face buttons - Built-in rechargeable lithium battery |- | <!--Description-->GuliKit KingKong MAX 3 KK3 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->hall effect - wired and wireless - lithium battery - |- | <!--Description-->Gulikit KK3 Max USB-c Bluetooth Controller | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->2024 Hall Joysticks and Triggers, Maglev/Rotor/HD Vibration, 1000Hz Polling Rate, 4 Back Buttons, |- | <!--Description-->GuliKit KK3 PRO | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->2024 smaller version of KK3 MAX - hall effect analog and triggers, face buttons , maglev rumble, gyro, 4 back paddles - rigid case - 950mAh up to 8 hrs - |- | <!--Description-->GuliKit | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Hyperkin | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Hori EX2 Turbo UHX3-45 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Machenike G1 Pro | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->2024 Wireless Gaming Controller with 1K Polling Rate Hall Effect Trigger Joystick For Nintendo Switch PC iOS Android |- | <!--Description-->Machenike G5 Pro Wireless Gaming Controller | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->2024 ABXY Switch Membrane, Bumpers Tactile switch and hall effect analog |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->microsoft sidewinder precision pro | <!--Vendor ID-->0x045E | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | [https://pineight.com/mw/index.php?title=USB_game_controllers Xbox 360 Wired Controller] | 0x045e | 0x028e | 0x | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad-->{{No|needs specific driver and has poor 2D control pad}} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | Microsoft (R) [https://blog.tkjelectronics.dk/2012/12/xbox-360-receiver-added-to-the-usb-host-library/ Xbox 360] (TM) Wireless Receiver for Windows(R) Model 1086 and Controller | 0x045e | 0x0719, 0x or 0x0291 | 0x0100 | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->{{No|separate standalone usb dongle detected and shows as 8 vendor interfaces but no class associated and so not working - may need new class from code from xpad or xboxdrv to work the controllor}} |- | <!--Description-->Xbox 360 Kinect [http://hackaday.com/2010/11/10/kinect-open-source-driver-demo-and-hacking/ Video] [http://git.marcansoft.com/?p=libfreenect.git;a=commit;h=7655fcf7239ba4907654089dba535a196685dbe5 GIT] | <!--Vendor ID-->0x045E | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->2007 proprietary 2.4GHz RF protocol, |- | <!--Description-->Xbox One Wired Controller | <!--Vendor ID-->0x045E | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad-->{{no| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{no| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Xbox One wireless controller newer model with the 3.5mm headphone jack 1537 1697 and microsoft adapter | <!--Vendor ID-->0x045E | <!--Product ID-->0x02d1 or 0x02dd | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{no| }} | <!--Opinion-->2014 |- | <!--Description-->Microsoft Elite Series 1 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x045E | <!--Product ID-->0x02e3 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad-->{{no| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{no| }} | <!--Opinion-->2016 ok - |- | <!--Description-->Xbox later models 1708+ Xbox One and Series use 5GHz and use Bluetooth, | <!--Vendor ID-->0x045E | <!--Product ID-->0x02e0 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad-->{{no| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{no| }} | <!--Opinion-->2017 |- | <!--Description-->Xbox One S | <!--Vendor ID-->0x045E | <!--Product ID-->0x02ea 0x02fd | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad-->{{no| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{no| }} | <!--Opinion-->2019 |- | <!--Description-->Microsoft Elite Series 2 Core | <!--Vendor ID-->0x045E | <!--Product ID-->0x02ff | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad-->{{no| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{no| }} | <!--Opinion-->2022 ok - no hall - 125Hz polling - |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Minisform MGP01 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->2024 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->MOBAPAD N1HD | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->2024 has liquid silicone face buttons, hall effect analog, D-Pad swap, two back paddles, USB-A dongle, HD Rumble - |- | <!--Description-->Mobapad Huben 2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->2025 |- | <!--Description-->Mobapad | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->BIGBIG WON Gale 墨将 mòjiāng | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->BIGBIG WON Blitz PRO 2 TMR | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->BIGBIG WON now MOJHON AETHER | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->2025 hall effect joysticks, hall effect triggers, mechanical bumpers, 1000hz polling rate, mechanical D-pad, membrane face buttons, mechanical back paddles, rumble, deadzone issues - tri mode |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->MSI FORCE GC20 GC30 V2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->2021 not hall effect |- | <!--Description-->MSI | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Mytrix Pro | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->2024 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->NACON GC-100XF Controller | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->2024 average |- | <!--Description-->PXN P5 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->2024 hall effect joysticks & triggers, limited trigger stops, 1000hz polling rate on wired, 4 back paddles, 32 macro record, anti-deadzone mode, RAW mode, gyro, turbo, tri-mode connection - |- | <!--Description-->PXN P50L | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->PowerA | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->QRD Stellar T5 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->QRD Junior E5 Mini | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->QRD | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Razer Wolverine V3 Pro | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->2024 hall |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->RetroFlag | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Speedlink XEOX Pro Analog Wireless | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->enclosed lithium battery? - xbox layout - switchable on back of controller to directinput (dinput) or xinput - USB dongle switchable to pc and ps3 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->SCUF Instinct Pro | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 good |- | <!--Description-->SCUF Envision Pro | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 good |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Steel Series Stratus Duo XL | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->usb adapter needed |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->[https://inputlabs.io/Inputlabs InputLabs Alpakka Open Source and build yourself] | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->DIY it with 3d printer, pcb and components - pi pico needed - 2 gyros for better accuracy - |- | <!--Description-->[https://inputlabs.io/kapybara Inputlabs kapybara] | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->DIY one handed version wip |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Vilcorn Z03 BT Wireless | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->2024 - other Bluetooth modes (green, red, blue, purple, etc.) Select + M1 (or M2) - 400mAh - not great latency wired - 800mhz polling - |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->zd ultimate legend | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->zd 0+ elite | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->2024 |- | <!--Description-->zd 0+excellent | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->2024 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} <pre> #ifndef AROSX_LIBRARY_H #define AROSX_LIBRARY_H #include <exec/types.h> #define AROSX_CONTROLLER_TYPE_UNKNOWN 0x00 #define AROSX_CONTROLLER_TYPE_GAMEPAD 0x01 #define AROSX_GAMEPAD_DPAD_UP 0x0001 #define AROSX_GAMEPAD_DPAD_DOWN 0x0002 #define AROSX_GAMEPAD_DPAD_LEFT 0x0004 #define AROSX_GAMEPAD_DPAD_RIGHT 0x0008 #define AROSX_GAMEPAD_START 0x0010 #define AROSX_GAMEPAD_BACK 0x0020 #define AROSX_GAMEPAD_LEFT_THUMB 0x0040 #define AROSX_GAMEPAD_RIGHT_THUMB 0x0080 #define AROSX_GAMEPAD_LEFT_SHOULDER 0x0100 #define AROSX_GAMEPAD_RIGHT_SHOULDER 0x0200 #define AROSX_GAMEPAD_A 0x1000 #define AROSX_GAMEPAD_B 0x2000 #define AROSX_GAMEPAD_X 0x4000 #define AROSX_GAMEPAD_Y 0x8000 struct AROSX_GAMEPAD { ULONG Timestamp; UWORD Buttons; UBYTE LeftTrigger; UBYTE RightTrigger; WORD ThumbLX; WORD ThumbLY; WORD ThumbRX; WORD ThumbRY; }; #define AROSX_EHMB_CONNECT 0x00 #define AROSX_EHMB_DISCONNECT 0x01 #define AROSX_EHMF_CONNECT (1L<<AROSX_EHMB_CONNECT) #define AROSX_EHMF_DISCONNECT (1L<<AROSX_EHMB_DISCONNECT) struct AROSX_EventHook { struct Node eh_Node; struct MsgPort *eh_MsgPort; ULONG eh_MsgMask; }; struct AROSX_EventNote { struct Message en_Msg; ULONG en_Event; APTR en_Param1; APTR en_Param2; }; #endif /* AROSX_LIBRARY_H */ </pre> === Joystick === {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="10%" |Merge with USB on Digital Pad ! width="10%" |Analogue Hack with Analog Stick ! width="50%" |Opinion |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->CH Products CombatStick 568 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Cyborg X | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Logitech Extreme 3D | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | [Logitech Attack 3 Joystick] | 0x0464 | 0xC214 | 0205 | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | {{yes|works}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->saitek X-52 x52 pro | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->saitek aviator | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | Speedlink Competition Pro USB | | | | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | {{maybe|works but games not working "out of the box"}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Trust Predator QZ 501 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{yes|works}} |- | <!--Description-->Trust Predator TH 400 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{yes|works}} |- | <!--Description-->Trust Predator GM-2500 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{yes|works}} |- | <!--Description-->Trust XK 100 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- |} ===[https://github.com/JacKeTUs/linux-steering-wheels Gaming Racing Steering Wheels]=== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="25%" |Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="5%" |Product ID ! width="5%" |Revision ! width="10%" |Merge with USB on Digital Pad ! width="10%" |Analogue Hack with Analog Stick ! width="40%" |Opinion |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> [https://www.usb.org/sites/default/files/documents/pid1_01.pdf USB PID standard not supported], |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Cammus C5 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Fanatec CSL Elite | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->PS4 and Xbox - belt driven wheel - 30cm wheel swapping |- | <!--Description-->Fanatec Club Sport | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> top belt $600 £500 system |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->FFBeast | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Merge with USB on Digital Pad | Analogue Hack with Analog Stick | Opinion |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Genius TRIO RACER F1 Racing Wheel | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->Cheap and cheerful but not great - may need calibrating |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Hama PC Racing Wheel Thunder V18 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->Average |- | <!--Description-->Hori Racing Wheel 3 with pedals | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->PS3 PC |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Logic3 PXU450 TopDrive GT450 Steering Wheel for PS3, PS4, XBox One and PC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Merge with USB on Digital Pad | Analogue Hack with Analog Stick | Opinion |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Logitech MOMO | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->Very good |- | <!--Description-->Logitech Driving Force GT | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Logitech Drive Force Pro DFP | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> wheel 900 degree - weighs in at 15&nbsp;lbs |- | <!--Description-->Logitech Formula Force EX | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->200 degrees turn for the EX model is arcade-like driving - adds PS3 compatibility via the PSx/2 adaptor - weighs in at 9&nbsp;lbs |- | <!--Description-->Logitech G25 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> - needs external psu - |- | <!--Description-->Logitech G27 PC/PS3 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> comes with gear shifter - needs external psu - |- | <!--Description-->Logitech G29 PC PS3/PS4 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> may need additional shifter - gear 900deg wheel / rumble - 3 peddle - needs external psu - |- | <!--Description-->Logitech G920 PC XboxOne | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> may need additional shifter - gear 900deg wheel / rumble - 3 peddle - needs external psu - |- | <!--Description-->Logitech G923 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Microsoft(R) SideWinder Precision Racing Wheel (1999) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Moza R3 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x346E | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Moza R5 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x346E | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Moza R9 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x346E | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Moza R12 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x346E | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->[https://github.com/Ultrawipf/OpenFFBoard OpenFFBoard], | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->PXN V10 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->PXN V12 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->PXN V12 Lite | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Merge with USB on Digital Pad | Analogue Hack with Analog Stick | Opinion |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Simagic M10 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> base direct drive $900 £800 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Simplicity Simwheel | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> direct |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Simucube | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Simucube | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Simucube | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Simxperience Accuforce V2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->SPEEDLINK Drift O.Z. Racing Wheel with Pedals and Gear Stick | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->SteelSeries Simraceway SRW-S1 Steering Wheel (PC) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Merge with USB on Digital Pad | Analogue Hack with Analog Stick | Opinion |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Thrustmaster Nascar Pro | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Thrustmaster Ferrari Challenge Wheel | <!--Vendor ID-->0x044f | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> Poor |- | <!--Description-->Thrustmaster Ferrari FGT Rumble GT Experience 3-in-1 (PC/PS3) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x044f | <!--Product ID-->b658 | <!--Revision-->0102 | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad-->{{Yes|Wheel and all buttons detected}} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--Opinion-->Not great - gear driven 240deg wheel rotation - no psu needed - 2 peddle - flappy gear change - rumble untested - red switch for PC PS3 selection |- | <!--Description-->Thrustmaster F430 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x044f | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Thrustmaster T500 RS Wheel | <!--Vendor ID-->0x044f | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> belt driven wheel/rumble for GT5 |- | <!--Description-->Thrustmaster T60 Challenge | <!--Vendor ID-->0x044f | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Thrustmaster T150 Wheel | <!--Vendor ID-->0x044f | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> gear / belt combo wheel / rumble - 2 peddle |- | <!--Description-->Thrustmaster TMX Pro PC/XboxOne | <!--Vendor ID-->0x044f | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad-->{{No| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion--> direct drive rumble - no manual gear shift included |- | <!--Description-->Thrustmaster T80 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x044f | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->Base level and OK - PS4 - 270deg rumble - 2 peddle |- | <!--Description-->Thrustmaster T300 RS GT | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->PS3 PS4 - belt driven - 900deg rotation and modular 28cm wheel out - 2 peddles but 3 available |- | <!--Description-->Thrustmaster TX Leather | <!--Vendor ID-->0x044f | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->TX Xbox version - 900deg rotation |- | <!--Description-->Thrustermaster TS PC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->PC only belt wheel |- | <!--Description--> TS XW Racer PC Xbox1 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> top belt system |- | <!--Description-->Thrustmaster T-GT | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->PS4 $700 £600 with T-DFB |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Merge with USB on Digital Pad | Analogue Hack with Analog Stick | Opinion |- | <!--Description-->Tracer Zonda Racing Steering Wheel PC PS3 Vibration Feedback Pedals Gearbox | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- |} ===Gamepad Joypad Adapters=== * Most adapters will work in most OS's without installing a driver. Special functions needing drivers will be noted. * Some adapters do not work with some [http://www.stepmania.com/wiki/Dance_Pads dance pads] because of voltage issues. Other adapters map the dancemat arrows as axes and not as buttons, causing problems. * If using an adapters should be compatible with '''original''' PlayStation PS/Xbox Xbox/GameCube GC /Dreamcast DC/Sega Saturn SS gamepads. {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="35%" |Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="5%" |Product ID ! width="5%" |Revision ! width="10%" |Merge with USB on Digital Pad ! width="10%" |Analogue Hack with Analog Stick ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Description-->[http://www.maplin.co.uk/psx-usb-bridge-34887?tabid=3&worldid=&doy=21m9&faqitem=playstation%20controller%20to%20pc%20adaptor Maplin] [http://www.rockfire.com.tw/ Padix Co. Ltd. Rockfire] PX-205 PSX/USB Bridge | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0583 | <!--Product ID-->0x2050 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad-->{{Yes}} but buttons mapped different from others | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{Maybe|poor}} | <!--Opinion-->Ok with dpads, but very poor support with analogue hack |- | Boom PS Joy Converter adaptor | | | | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | discontinued (2004/5). Hold Up, Start, and Select for three seconds. Very good [http://www.stepmania.com stepmania] recommendation. |- | [http://www.hkems.com/m_main.htm EMS] [http://www.hkems.com/product/ps2/ps2-usb2.htm USB2] grey plastic box with 2 PSX ports, one on either side - UP and Select pressed for 3 seconds at the same time or the dance code (start+select+up) | | | | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad-->{{Yes|Tests/joystick shows the PS port works in digital mode on d-pad}} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | Set in PC switch mode. Does not work when using 2 pads at the same time, likely higher power requirements. FPSE emu DualShock untested, Mat and Guitar untested but known lag involved |- | Joytech (play.com) (EMS USB2 bad clone) Black box twin PSX | 0x0b43 | 0x0003 | 0x0 | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{No|buggy hardware}} | but poor on dance ddr mat and guitar hero as the left and right keys do not like being pressed together, Dual shock untested |- | [ EMS Trio Linker ] 1 PSone connection at bottom | | | | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | 1PSX discontinued 2005 |- | [http://psxemulator.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=support&action=display&thread=421 EMS Trio Linker Plus] (blue box) 1 PSx at bottom | | | | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | 1PSX discontinued |- | Gamtec [http://www.gamestone.co.uk/gradius/guides_usb_smartjoy_guide.php SmartJoy Plus] Lik Sang PS->USB converter Red 2005 | 0x0925 | 0x0005 | Low 0110 | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad-->{{Maybe|detected and digital dpad works with [http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=4138&forum=2&post_id=35952#forumpost35952 joystick and testjoystick tests] but the second analog control is not mapping correctly in digital mode}} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{No|Analogue Hack - hardware buggy not useable}} | Dual shock untested, Mat and Guitar untested. Nothing picked up upon plugging it in. Quite common, these items have grounding issues or feed voltage back into the USB host and freeze the host controller, preventing any plugins or removals being detected. |- | Gamtec SmartJoy Plus Dual PS->USB converter Red | 0x0925 | 0x00 | Low | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{No|buggy hardware}} | |- | [http://uk.gear.ign.com/articles/700/700334p1.html Lik-Sang Super SmartJoy PSX] | | | | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | 1PSX |- | Soyo Kiki Kiky | | | | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | |- | eXcel PSX adaptor shaped a little like a stealth bomber with USB pass through | | | | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | |- | Venom | | | | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | |- | Dragon Plus (Radio Shack) Pantherlord GreenAsia USB to PS2/PS3 converter single black cable | 0x0e8f | 0x03 | 1.07 | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{Yes| }} | |- | Deal Extreme 2 PSX black cables from 1 USB port | | | | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | {{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->HDE 2014 Personal Communication Systems Inc | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0810 | <!--Product ID-->0x0001 | <!--Revision-->0106 | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Same as single cable above but with black block midway along cable | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> |- | <!--Description-->TigerGame Ltd Mayflash PC001 Super Joy Box 3 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | TigerGame Ltd Mayflash PC016 Super Joy Box arrowhead triangle twin PSX] Original was lack with RED Leds. Clones Dilong pu203, Blue HDE Neewer ShineData SD-APS2USB, Red Octane and Black PC Power Box (NS3454) '''embossed circle''' on top | 0x0810 | 0x0001 | 1.06 | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad-->{{Yes|Tests/joystick shows one PS port does not work with analog control at all but the other port does and maps correctly in digital mode}} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{Yes|Analogue hack works }} | Still available 2013, poor construction though, falls to pieces easily. Dual Shock untested, Mat and Guitar untested |- | <!--Description-->TigerGame Ltd [http://www.mayflash.com/pc/pc038/pc038-1.htm Mayflash PC038 Super Joy Box Pro triangle twin PSX] | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | TigerGame Limited Mayflash SuperJoy Box 5 PC006 long V-shaped 4 port PS/PS2 Game Controller Adapter | | | | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | |- | <!--Description-->TigerGame Limited Mayflash SuperJoy Box 5 PRO PC039 PS/PS2 Game Controller Adapter | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Merge with USB on Digital Pad | Analogue Hack with Analog Stick | Opinion |- | Boom PSX+N64 USB converter (purple or blue see through box) (2003/4) - red led for psx and green led for n64 | 0x6666 | 0x0667 | 0x0 | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad-->{{No|not detected by Tests/joystick}} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{No|Analogue hack }} | Rumble Pak untested |- | [http://www.hkems.com/product/ps2/TrioLinkerPlus2.htm EMS Trio Linker Plus II] | | | | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad-->{{Yes| }} [http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=4753&forum=24&post_id=43102#forumpost43102 ] | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | 1DC 1GC 1PSX but not for ddr mat games |- | TigerGame Mayflash PC043 clone HuiJia Black twin N64 converter for PC USB | 0x0e8f | 0x3013 | 0x0 | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad-->{{No|detected by Tests/joystick though two digital pads have their settings wrong}} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{Yes|Analogue hack works well with middle handle/grip little joystick}} | Rumble Pack untested |- | TigerGame Mayflash PC MagicBox SuperBox 3 | | | | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | untested 1SS 1DC 1PSX } |- | <!--Description-->Lik Sang SmartJoy X | <!--Vendor ID-->0x045e | <!--Product ID-->0x0285 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->SmartJoy X2 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x045e | <!--Product ID-->0x0289 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | TigerGame Mayflash PC018 Super Joy Box 9 Xbox (NOT 360) | 0x05e3 | 0x060 | | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad-->{{No|shows up as a Genesys Logic Hub}} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{No| }} | does not work. Hub(s) 0x0288 detected but 0x0289 xbox1 joypads are not detected as hid let alone as [http://www.amiga.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-62940.html xpad] or [http://pingus.seul.org/~grumbel/xboxdrv/ linux xboxdrv driver] |- | TigerGame Mayflash PC019 Super Joy Box 10 Xbox Twin ports (NOT 360) | 0x05e3 | 0x060 | | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad-->{{No|shows up as a Genesys Logic Hub}} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{No| }} | does not work with the big Fatty Duke or smaller S Akebono controller(s) |- | TigerGame Ltd Mayflash PC020 Super Joy Box 11 Xbox Quad ports (NOT 360) | 0x05e3 | 0x0604 | | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad-->{{No|shows up as a Genesys Logic Hub}} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick-->{{No| }} | |- | <!--Description-->TigerGame Ltd Mayflash PC035 3 in 1 Magic Joy box PS GC Xbox | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->USB to NES [http://wiki.nesdev.com/w/index.php/Standard_controller SPI like protocol] | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Buffalo Classic USB Pad SNES like | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Mayflash PC044 USB to SNES | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->USB to MEGADRIVE GENESIS Joypad | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->[http://www.retrousb.com/product_info.php?cPath=21&products_id=70 USB to 9 pin ATARI RETROPORT style JOYSTICK PORT] | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Atari RetroLink 9pin to SB | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->SLS Sega Saturn USB pad | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB on Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Mayflash PC050 Dual Saturn ports | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Guitar Hero for PC/Mac | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1430 | <!--Product ID-->0x474C | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Cronus Max | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->BrookX One | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Mayflash Gamecube to USB | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Mayflash Magic NS | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> WiiU |- | <!--Description-->Brook Converter WiiU P3 P4 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->CooV Xbox One Converter | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Merge with USB Digital Pad--> | <!--Analogue Hack with Analog Stick--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} * [http://www.bemanistyle.com/forum/f6/best-metal-pad-19066/ Metal dance pads with LEDs] - My My Box Blue Shark (Nexen), Cobalt Flux (CF) (Let's Groove), Red Octane Afterburner, TX-2000, Logic3 (Dance Dance Dance), Gamerose (Stay Cool), * Hard foam mat - [http://www.mayflash.eu/3in1-deluxe-dansmat-ignition-foam-ps2xboxpc-p-5.html Mayflash] FutureMax Deluxe 3 in 1 Ignition, [http://www.gamerose.com/ Gamerose] (Stay Cool), TrinPad orange, * Soft foam mat - Logic3 (PS420N), [http://www.positivegaming.com/index.php?id=36 Positive Gaming Impact], Gamerose Miss Daisys Naki (Stay Cool), Pelican, MadCatz *PS1 PS2 PS3 PS4 flex ribbon big source of button/trigger issues with all controllers *PS2 Phat KSA1Q40A (Board), SA1Q33A (Membrane) SCHP-10010 H *PS2 SA1Q42A SCHP-10010 A *PS2 SA1Q43-A SCHP-10010 H The primary axes are either the Control Pad or the left stick. Buttons come in a rough order: face buttons, then shoulder buttons, then Select and Start, then buttons under sticks, and finally Control Pad directions if not assigned to a hat. But the order and number of buttons within a category are unpredictable, as is which button the user expects to use for each action. {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" | Joypad ! width="5%" | HATS ! width="5%" | Button 01 ! width="5%" | Button 02 ! width="5%" | Button 03 ! width="5%" | Button 04 ! width="5%" | Button 05 ! width="5%" | Button 06 ! width="5%" | Button 07 ! width="5%" | Button 08 ! width="5%" | Button 09 ! width="5%" | Button 10 ! width="5%" | Button 11 ! width="5%" | Button 12 ! width="5%" | Button 13 ! width="5%" | Button 14 ! width="5%" | Axes 1 ! width="5%" | Axes 2 ! width="5%" | Axes 3 ! width="5%" | Axes 4 ! width="5%" | Axes 5 ! width="5%" | Axes 6 ! width="10%" | Comment |- | [https://pineight.com/mw/index.php?title=USB_game_controllers Xbox 360 Wired Controller] | | A (down-green) | B (right-red) | X (left-blue) | Y (up-yellow) | LB (white) | RB (black) | Back | Start | Guide | L3 | R3 | | | | Left X | Left Y | LT | Right X | Right Y | RT | Poor 2D, Good 3D |- | <!--Description-->Gravis GamePad / Original PlayStation Controller | <!--HATS DPAD--> | <!--Button 01-->Red (Sqleft) | Yellow X (X down) | Green O (O right) | Blue (Tri up) | L1 | R1 | L2 | R2 | Select | <!--Button 10-->Start | | | | | <!--Axes 1-->Stick X | Stick Y | | | | | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> PlayStation 2 Older Adapters | <!--HATS DPAD--> | <!--Button 01-->Blue X (down) | Red O (right) | Pink Sq (left) | Green Tri (up) | L1 | R1 | L2 | R2 | Select | <!--Button 10-->Start | Stick 1 | Stick 2 | | | <!--Axes 1--> | | | | | | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> PlayStation 2 Newer Adapters | <!--HATS DPAD--> | <!--Button 01-->Up | Right | Down | Left | L2 | R2 | L1 | R1 | Select | <!--Button 10-->Start | Stick 1 (analogue Hack) | Stick 2 | | | <!--Axes 1--> | | | | | | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> Wish Technologies N64 Adaptoid | <!--HATS DPAD--> | <!--Button 01--> A | C Down | C Right | B | C Left | C Up | L | R | Start | <!--Button 10-->Z | Pad Up | Pad Down | Pad Left | Pad Right | <!--Axes 1-->Stick X | Stick Y | | | | | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--HATS DPAD--> | <!--Button 01--> | | | | | | | | | <!--Button 10--> | | | | | <!--Axes 1--> | | | | | | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--HATS DPAD--> | <!--Button 01--> | | | | | | | | | <!--Button 10--> | | | | | <!--Axes 1--> | | | | | | <!--Opinion--> |- |} Just plug in your digital/analogue joystick or gamepad into USB port. The device will be handled by Poseidon USB stack. Poseidon is the USB stack with Trident adding a GUI (graphical user interface) prefs. the context sensitive page would come up right on pressing the help key inside the relevant window. The manual is in this archive, just in case it isn't in SYS:Locale/Help *How to change joystick mode to analogue? By default a connected USB joystick emulates Amiga digital joystick. To change this behaviour so that the joystick is presented as analogue you need to use Trident preferences application (System:Prefs/Trident). Open Trident and go to Devices on the left hand side (mouse click once on it). Select your controller from the list to the right and then click on Settings button below. This will open a new window. On the "General" tab find the "Lowlevel Library Joypad Emulation" section near the bottom. Find ports which are set to "Merge with USB" or "Override with USB" and change them to "Analogue Hack". Please note that analogue joystick support is an extension of original Amiga functionality, thus an Amiga application must be explicitly written to use it. AROS SDL library uses this functionality, thus all SDL applications that use joystick, can use the analogue joystick feature. The HID class has several options how to handle the input data: * Don't touch: The movement and button data for is not modified by the hid class. This is the default for the ports 0, 2, and 3. * Overwrite with USB: This will kill the original data that might had come from the internal ports and overwrites it with the joypad data for this USB interface. Note well: If you have multiple joypads connected, take care which setting you have selected for each port, because only the last interface with this option will actually send the joypad data to the game. * Merge with USB: This option merges the input data of the lowlevel.library with the USB stream. This only works, if the connected device on the original Amiga ports is NOT a mouse (because then the streams are incompatible). Merging should be the preferred method, because it leaves the original joysticks working. * Disable: Turns off the port for the application. * Analogue Hack: Tells Poseidon to force reporting of analogue data at the port. Please note that this only works with programs that understand the analogue data, because it's an extension to the original lowlevel.library standard made by Commodore. If you want to incorporate this feature in your software, just contact me and I will send you the necessary information. * Rumble Port: As addition to the analogue data, the HID class supports applications and games that want to utilize a rumble pack or force feedback motors in the gamepads. This field selects to which lowlevel port the hid device responds, when attempting to use the rumble pack. Normally, this corresponds to the port that has been set in the actions for the joypad. *How to change joystick port assignment? The low level library supports up to four ports. Port 0 is usually used by the mouse, port 1 is the standard port for joysticks/joypads. By default a connected USB joystick is present in Port 1. To change its location to Port 0 you need to use Trident preferences. Open Trident and go to Devices window. Select your controller from the list and then click on Settings button. This will open a new window. On the "General" tab find the "Lowlevel Library Joypad Emulation" section. Port 1 should be set as either "Merge with USB" or "Override with USB". Change this setting to "Don't touch". Change Port 0 setting to "Merge with USB". Go to "Actions" tab. In the "Reports and collection" select first entry named "Joystick". in the "Usage items" select "X axis". Go to "Performed actions" area. On the left there will be a list of triggers. Each of them should have (port1) in their params. Click on the first trigger and using buttons to the right of the list change port1 into port 0. Repeat this for all triggers and for all items on "Usage items" list. *How to make joystick simulate keyboard keys? With Poseidon it is possible to make the joystick simulate the keyboard pressings. This might enable using joystick for playing games which only have keyboard support. This feature is configured in Trident preferences. Open Trident and go to Devices window. Select your controller from the list and then click on Settings button. This will open a new window. Go to "Actions" tab. On the right top window select X axis. On the left bottom list select an entry "Digital Joystick, Push left(port 1)". On the panel to the right change "Digital joystick" into "Raw Key". A list of keys will be displayed. Select key you wish to send. Repeat the same procedure for "Digital Joystick, Release left (port 1)" option but this time check "Send key up even instead of key down". Open shell and move your joystick to the left - your selected letter should appear in the shell. *Analogue in Trident Prefs * Open the Trident USB Prefs -> Devices -> Select your joypad -> Settings button -> Action TAB * See some "axis" listed under "Usage items" in the top right of the window. They are your analog stick(s) * Check [x] Track Incoming Events which is half way down the window on the left And you should see some axis activity in "Usage items" when you move the analog stick *Actions HID class item -> Settings -> HID Class Window -> Action Tab -> Action handling area Reports and collections -> Usage Items -> Performed actions Qualifier keys are *special*. You don't only need to create the actual keypress but also modify the qualifiers. Go to the keyboard panel and find the windows menu key by enabling key tracking and pressing the windows menu key. Then assign the right amiga key to it. Go to the actions panel and find the right amiga key (it's called "Keyboard right GUI"). Remember the actions stored there, best write them down in exact order. Then delete them. Find the windows menu item and add the missing qualifier action. Be sure the parameters are exactly the same and the order is right. Set them to Raw, then assign an up and down button for each character, etc. when you change the settings to RAW so you can assign keyboard strokes. it will always say, KEYDOWN or what ever on the left, it never provides and option for key release. The problem still remains though that if I try to assign the Directional Pad (Hat) to Arrow Keys, that things will get screwed up and you either can not move with the directional PAD (HAT), or movements are assigned to the Left Analog, and do not work as they should, it's as if the right and down arrow keys are ALWAYS On, regardless of the fact that I did indeed assign a Key release command to each input. check that by pressing analog directions and see the current values, and the thresholds configured in poseidon to bind them to left/right/up/down. misconfigured too much stuff in the HID settings, you can always go in poseidon->config list entry and delete the config item related to your device (or the HID class setting itself), back to basics. *Rumble in Trident Prefs Open Trident Prefs and click on the Devices option in the left hand window. Click with the mouse once on your gamepad choice on the right hand side and again on the Settings button below. In the new window, select the '''General''' TAB and half way down on the right there is an "Open Now" button in the section "HID output control window". Clicking on that button opens another window (HID Control) with sliders for the two rumble engines inside the controllers and you can test if they work. '''Sometimes clicking that button does nothing, other times it will open the window and say nothing is detected.''' The leftmost two sliders do nothing, the third one has a large rumble effect, and the fourth one has a small rumble effect. ===Graphic Drawing Tablet=== There is a standard in HID for tablets possibly mouse type. If the tablet is HID conforming in that sense, it should work. Aiptek does a fairly good job at this. The other competitor, Wacom, didn't pay too much attention to this and simply adapted their legacy serial protocol into HID in a very awkward way. Older Wacom tablets have worked with the special support in the HID class, but not the more recent ones. to use graphic tablets fully, applications need to be written that make use of the AmigaOS NewTablet events (which AROS has) * Entry level - A6 (6x4) work area * Medium A5 (6x8) A4 (10x7) size (recommended but only a few ie years 2000 to 2003 models supported) * Semi Pro A3 (12x9) * Pro Cintiq * 2005/6 Some support added for Wacom tablets * 2008 Wacom's patent on battery free pens expires {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="50%" |Opinion |- | <!--Description-->Micrograf Tabby (late 1980s and early 1990s) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|Serial RS232 based }} |- | <!--Description-->podscat pt 3030 graphics tablet | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|Serial RS232 based }} |- | <!--Description-->Summagraphics | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|Serial RS232 based }} |- | <!--Description-->Wacom IV compatible (Graphire, ArtPad, A3, A4, A5 and PenPartner CT-0405-P - Wacom intuos GD-0405-R) Waycom Digitiser II UD-0608-R | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|Serial RS232 based }} |- | <!--Description-->Wacom Artpad II (KT-0405-R) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|Serial RS232 based }} |- | <!--Description-->AceCad boards | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|Serial RS232 based }} |- | <!--Description-->AipTek HyperPen 6000 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|Serial RS232 based }} |- | <!--Description-->Calcomp | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|Serial RS232 based }} |- | <!--Description-->AipTek HyperPen 8000 - Aldi/Medion MD 9310 and Aldi/Tevion LT 9310 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|Serial RS232 based }} |- | <!--Description-->Tablet PC penabled | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|Serial RS232 based like x61t X60t NC4200 NC4400 }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|Serial RS232 based }} |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Opinion |- | <!--Description--> * Wacom PenPartner * PenPartner 2 * PenStation 2 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x056a | <!--Product ID-->0x0000 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Wacom Graphire - Wacom Tablet ET-0405-U UV1.1-1 (Slate Blue) ET-0405UL (lime) (orange) (red) (purple) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x056A | <!--Product ID-->0X0010 | <!--Revision-->0100 | <!--Opinion-->{{Yes|late 90s with A6 size - [Wacom Support] of X-axis 00000-10205 Y-AXIS 0000-7421 Tip Pressure 000-511 under Trident prefs. Air pen mouse type movements }} |- | <!--Description--> * Grapphire 2 4x5 ET-0405A-U UV2.0-3 (Steel Blue) * Graphire 2 5x7 ET-0507A | <!--Vendor ID-->0x056A | <!--Product ID-->0x0011 and 0x0012 | <!--Revision-->0110 | <!--Opinion-->{{Yes|A6 and A5 versions - [Wacom Support] of X-axis 00000-10205 Y-AXIS 0000-7421 Tip Pressure 000-511. Air pen mouse type movements - mouse EC-120-0K tested}} |- | <!--Description-->Wacom Graphire 3 * cte-430/w 4x5 pearl sapphire * cte 630 6x8 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x056A | <!--Product ID-->0x0013 and 0x0014 | <!--Revision-->0314 | <!--Opinion-->{{Yes|A6 and A5 size - [Wacom Support] Xaxis 0-10207 yaxis 0-7423 tip pressure 0-511 and the erase end appears to respond but avoid bluetooth BT versions }} |- | Wacom Graphire 4 * cte-440/B Blue cte 440/s Silver 4x5 * cte-640 6x8 cte 640 u 0403 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x056A | <!--Product ID-->0x0015 and 0x0016 | <!--Revision-->403 | {{Yes|A6 and A5 work area detected [Wacom Support] x-axis 0000-10207 Y axis 0000-7423 Tip Pressure 000-511 and delete rub out end of the pencil seems detected but avoid bluetooth BT versions }} |- | <!--Description--> * Wacom Intuos 4x5 GD-0405 * Intuos 6x8 GD-0608 * Intuos 9x12 GD-0912 * Intuos 12x12 GD-1212-U * Intuos 12x18 GD-1218 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID-->0x0020 0x0021 0x0022 0x0023 0x0024 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{Yes|detected and responses delivered back - x axis up to 30479 and y axis 31679, tip pressure up to 1023 and x and y tilt up to 127 - Wacom intuos GD-0912-A for Apple Macs NOT SUPPORTED}} |- | <!--Description--> * Intuos 2 4x5 A6 - XD-0405-U * Intuos 2 6x8 A5 - xd 0608u uoc * Intuos 2 9x12 XD-0912-U * Intuos 2 12x12 XD-1212-U * Intuos 2 12x18 XD-1218-U | <!--Vendor ID-->0x056a | <!--Product ID-->0x0041 0x0042 0x0043 0x0044 0x0045 | <!--Revision-->0126 | <!--Opinion-->{{No|various sizes and recognised as [Wacom Support] but not working. x-axis 00000-20319 y-axis 00000-16239 tip presure 0000-1023 x-tilt y-tilt 000-127. HID mouse xc-100-03 works but never could use it as a real tablet with pressure with TVPaint 3.6 }} |- | <!--Description--> * Intuos 3 4x5 (PTZ-430) * Intuos 3 4x6 (PTZ-431W ) * Intuos 3 6x8 (PTZ-630 PTZ630) * Intuos 3 6x11 (PTZ-631W A3 wide) * Intuos 3 9x12 (A4 PTZ-930 PTZ930) * Intuos 3 | <!--Vendor ID-->056a | <!--Product ID-->0x00b0 0x00b1 0x00b2 0x00b3 0x00b4 0x00b5 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No}} Actions in HID setup window definitively locks the Pointer (mouse) reports settings and even after a clear and save, nothing changes, the configuration returns to default values. "[Wacom]" reports don't see any events from the tablet, even with "Pointer" reports cleared and save, so is locked a in "mouse" state - but can send a special command to the tablet in order to put it into a special vendor mode. This mode enables Wacom specificities like pressure, tilt, absolute position, buttons, etc... you should send an HID report feature with ReportID=2 and data=2, the current HID class driver doesn't give a way to change that, even using the "initial startup actions" item in the extra collection. No listed features work |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | Wacom Volito - Promethean FT-0405-U06 UV1.4-1 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x056A | <!--Product ID-->0x0060 | <!--Revision-->0141 | <!--Opinion-->{{Yes|A6 work area with [Wacom Support] of x-axis 0000-5103 Y axis 0000-3711 Tip Pressure 000-511. Air and touch mouse movement - appears to be the budget option with some but limited features}} |- | <!--Description-->Wacom Volito 2 * CTF-??? 2x3 * CTF-420G CTF-420 V2.0-0 4x5 * Serif Penabled 6742 rebadge of CTF 420/020-B CTF-420/02 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x056A | <!--Product ID-->0x0062 | <!--Revision-->0200 | <!--Opinion-->{{Yes|A6 work area with [Wacom Support] of x-axis 0000-5103 Y axis 0000-3711 Tip Pressure 000-511. Air and touch mouse movement - no erase function on the end of the pen - nylon nibs value option}} |- | <!--Description--> * Wacom PL-400 LCD * PL-500 * PL-510 * PL-550 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID-->0x0030 0x0031 0x0032 0x0034 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> * PL-600 * PL-600 SX * PL-700 * PL-710 * PL-800 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID-->0x0033 0x0035 0x0036 0x0037 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Wacom Cintiq 21 UX and Cintiq Partner DTF-720 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Opinion |- | <!--Description-->Wacom PenTablet Bamboo (MTE), Bamboo Craft (CTH), Bamboo Fun (CTE), Bamboo Pen (CTL) and Bamboo Pen & Touch (CTH) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | Wacom Bamboo Fun Medium CTE-650 | | 0x0018 | | {{Maybe|[http://www.a1k.org/forum/showthread.php?t=11432 works on a1k forum]}} |- | <!--Description-->Bamboo Fun Small CTE-450 white | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID-->0x0017 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Wacom Bamboo One CTF-430 V2.0-0 CTF 430/S | <!--Vendor ID-->0x056A | <!--Product ID-->0x0069 | <!--Revision-->0200 | <!--Opinion-->{{Maybe|A5 wired air pen and acts like a mouse only}} |- | <!--Description-->Wacom Intuos 4 * Small PTK-440 PTK-540 * Medium - PTK-640 - PTK 540WL Wireless - | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested Intuos4 surface sheet was revised in October 2010 to reduce nib wear}} |- | <!--Description-->Wacom Intuos 5 Touch * * Medium - PTH-650 - USB Wired and Wireless Kit | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID-->0x0027 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested work, however wireless may glitch or drag }} |- | <!--Description-->Wacom Intuos Pro Medium - PTH-651 - | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Bamboo Small Pen Tablet - MTE 450 MTE-450A (MTE-450/k) - | <!--Vendor ID-->0x056A | <!--Product ID-->0x0065 | <!--Revision-->0116 | <!--Opinion-->{{Maybe|A6 work area - mouse movement but no pen detection except x-axis 2 to -2 and y-axis 2 to -2 - mini usb lead - 4 blue led lit buttons not detected as well as circular touch button?? }} |- | <!--Description-->Bamboo Pen CTL 460 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested all Bamboo versions were criticized for the drawing surface's roughness (which got smoother over time), which caused the small pressure-sensitive 'nib' to wear down, and become slanted or scratchy in the same way as pencil lead, albeit more slowly}} |- | <!--Description-->Wacom Bamboo Fun CTH-461/S wired | <!--Vendor ID-->0x056A | <!--Product ID-->0x00D2 | <!--Revision-->0106 | <!--Opinion-->{{Maybe|A6 size - Pen tracking not working but finger touch works }} |- | <!--Description-->Wacom Bamboo Connect Pen Tablet CTL-470 CTL-470K 470-DE | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->CTH 470K | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Wacom CTH 480/S wireless | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} lithium battery for pad - |- | <!--Description-->Wacom Intuos Pen Small CTL-480/S CTL 480 K wired | <!--Vendor ID-->0x056A | <!--Product ID-->0x030E | <!--Revision-->0200 | <!--Opinion-->{{No|A5 detected as Intuos PS but not working although the RHS blue led responds to pen on tablet }} |- | <!--Description-->CTH 490 PK S Photo - CTH-490CK-S Comic - CTH-490AK-S Art | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested lower hovering height pen nibs wear fast and input lag/responsiveness}} |- | <!--Description-->Intuos Pen & Touch Medium - CTH-680 - USB Wired and Wireless Kit work | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Wacom Intuos Pro (PTH-660 and PTH-860) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Opinion |- | <!--Description-->Waltop Media Tablet 10.6" Genius G-Pen M609 Genius G-Pen M609X iVista Media Tablet 10.6 Aiptek MediaTablet 10000u | <!--Vendor ID-->172f:0501 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Slim Tablet 12.1" | <!--Vendor ID-->0x172F | <!--Product ID-->0x0034 | <!--Revision-->0x1105 | <!--Opinion-->{{yes|works}} |- | <!--Description-->Waltop Media Tablet 12 by 9" Aiptek HyperPen 12000u T-12000U Tablet Series Nisis T-12000u USB Tablet Series Version 1.05 (aiptek rebadged) Trust item #1535 ADESSO Cyber Tablet 12000 Graphic design tablet iVista Media Tablet 12 PENTAGRAM O'pen Wide P 2003 Genius G-Pen M712 | <!--Vendor ID-->172f:0500, 0x08ca | <!--Product ID-->0x0010 | <!--Revision-->0105 | <!--Opinion-->{{Yes|detected with Nisis/Aiptek functioning as a tablet, untested with others - Puck (mouse) x axis 0000 to 6000 y axis 0000 to 6000 - stylus (pen) x axis 00000 to 12000 y axis 00000 to 12000 tip pressure 0000 to 1023 - 16 function keys - AAA battery needed for pen and another for the mouse}} |- | <!--Description-->Waltop Media Tablet 14.1" v5.1e Genius G-Pen M714X Aiptek MediaTablet 14000u WMK-H141 Trust item #15358 Adesso CyberTablet 14000 M14 iVista Media Tablet 14.1 PENTAGRAM O'pen Wide P 2004 | <!--Vendor ID-->0X172f | <!--Product ID-->0X0500 | <!--Revision-->0114 | <!--Opinion-->{{Yes|detected with Nisis/Aiptek functioning as a tablet - Stylus (Pen) X 16838 Y 16838 Tip Pressure 1023 }} |- | <!--Description-->Waltop PID 0038 Genius G-Pen F509 Manhattan 177405 | <!--Vendor ID-->172f:0038 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Waltop PID 0052 Yiynova MSP19 | <!--Vendor ID-->172f:0052 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Waltop Q Pad Aiptek HyperPen Mini NGS Flexi Style VisTablet PenPad iVistaTablet Q Flex Pad Bravod Q-PD65-S Trust Flex Design Tablet (#16937) | <!--Vendor ID-->172f:0037 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Waltop Sirius Battery Free Tablet VisTablet Muse PENTAGRAM Designer P 2700 Princeton PTB-S1BK | <!--Vendor ID-->172f:0502 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Waltop Slim Tablet 12.1" Genius G-Pen F610 Trust Slimline Widescreen Tablet (#16529) VisTablet Original 12" Adesso CyberTablet Z12 Adesso CT-Z12A PenPower Tooya Pro Aiptek Slim 12.1 Inch Aiptek SlimTablet 600u Premium II NGS Slim Proguess iVistaTablet Slim 12.1 PENTAGRAM ThinType P 2006 | <!--Vendor ID-->172f:0034 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Waltop Slim Tablet 5.8" Genius G-Pen F350 Trust item #16485 VisTablet Mini iVistaTablet Slim 5.8 | <!--Vendor ID-->172f:0032 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Waltop Venus S Tablet Trust eBrush Widescreen Tablet (#17939) | <!--Vendor ID-->172f:0503 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Aiptek GmBH MediaTablet Ultimate II - 16:10 Professional Graphic Tablet Model 1400U | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Opinion |- | <!--Description-->Hanvon Beijing HanWang HW Micro Drawing Tablet ET0504U | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0b57 | <!--Product ID-->0x8030 | <!--Revision-->01111 | <!--Opinion-->{{No|does not work - recognised as an HID mouse - no tablet extensions detected}} |- | <!--Description-->KYE EasyPen 340, Genius EasyPen 340 | <!--Vendor ID-->0458:5014 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|untested }} |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Opinion |- | Aiptek Hyper Pen 6000u PC Tablet APT | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | {{No|detected but does not work - win98 era cordless 6in by 4.5in - }} |- | <!--Description-->nisis T-8000U APT-2 Aiptek rebadge | <!--Vendor ID-->0x08CA | <!--Product ID-->0x0021 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|A5 detected but no responses }} |- | <!--Description-->Acecad Flair II GT-504 Init Fkt Fkt 0x5ab450c0 AIPTEK HyperPen 10000 U Aiptek HyperPen 10000U, AIPTEK Slim Tablet U600 Premium II | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0460 | <!--Product ID-->0x0004 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Ace Cad Enterprise Co., Ltd Tablet - 5x3.75 drawing area | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0460 | <!--Product ID-->0x0004 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Bosto's | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} UCLogic Digitizer |- | <!--Description-->Adesso CyberTablet Z7, Adesso CyberTablet 12000, Adesso CT-12000A | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->UC-Logic / Lapazz WP8060, UC-Logic / Lapazz PF1209, UC-Logic / Lapazz Artistic Tablet 5540, Manhattan 8"x6", Manhattan 3"x4", Manhattan | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested but suspect not working}} |- | <!--Description-->DigiPro 5.5×4” Graphics Tablet Digital Ink Pad (A4 format) DigiPro WP8060, DigiPro WP5540, | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Genius G-pen G-Pen 4500 Genius Wizardpen Genius Mousepen Genius Easypen i405 M610 Genius PenSketch 9x12, Genius MousePen i608, Genius MousePen 8x6, Genius MousePen / WizardPen 5x4, | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Genius G-Pen F610 Genius G-Pen M610 Genius G-Pen 340 (UC-LOGIC Tablet WP4030U) Genius G-Pen 450 (UC-LOGIC Tablet WP5540U) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Genius UC-LOGIC iBall Tablet PF8060 iBall Iball Pen Tablet 8060U, Iball Pen Tablet 5540U, Iball Pen Tablet 4030U, Iball Design Tablet PF1209, NGS CADBOY (UC-LOGIC Tablet WP5540U) Pentagram QWare | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Trust TB-3100 Trust TB-5300 Trust 15356 Trust TB-6300 Trust 15357 WP8060U Slimline but bulky with metal backing A5 size Trust 16486, Trust 16447, Sketch Design Tablet, | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|clashes with usb and crashes AROS }} |- | <!--Description-->UC-Logic Tablet WP1062 Aiptek HyperPen 10000U Monoprice 10X6.25 Inches Graphic Drawing Tablet Pickle 10x6.25 Inch Graphic Drawing tabletguess | <!--Vendor ID-->5543:0064 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Opinion |- | [ VTech KidiPhoto Art Studio] | | | | {{yes|works}} |- |} Tablet has a squared lines of wires which induce a current into the pen which is then detected by the metal grid in the tablet pad. Tablets report pressure (and tilt on expensive models) and are absolute pointing devices (put the pen at the top left and the mouse pointer will go to the top left of the screen). Graphic drawing area, what keys, report rate, resolution lpi lpmm, accuracy, pressure levels (may come from the app), origin position, Wacom tablets use electromagnetic resonance technology. Since the tablet provides power to the pen through resonant inductive coupling, no power is required for the pointing device. As a result, no batteries are inside the pen (or the accompanying puck), making them lighter and slimmer. Under the tablet's surface (or LCD in the case of the Cintiq) is a printed circuit board with a grid of multiple send/receive coils and a magnetic reflector attached behind the grid. In send mode, the tablet generates a close-coupled electromagnetic field (also known as a B-field) at a frequency of 531&nbsp;kHz. This close-coupled field stimulates oscillation in the pen's coil/capacitor (LC) circuit when brought into range of the B-field. Any excess resonant electromagnetic energy is reflected back to the tablet. In receive mode, the energy of the resonant circuit’s oscillations in the pen is detected by the tablet's grid. This information is analyzed by the computer to determine the pen's position, by interpolation and Fourier analysis of the signal intensity. In addition, the pen communicates information such as pen tip pressure, side-switch status, tip vs. eraser orientation and ID number (to differentiate between different pens, mice, etc.). For example, applying more or less pressure to the tip of the pen changes the value of the pen's timing circuit capacitor. This signal change can be communicated in an analog or digital method. An analog implementation modulates the phase angle of the resonant frequency, while a digital method is communicated to a modulator that distributes the information digitally. The tablet forwards this and other relevant tool information in packets, up to 200 times per second, to the computer. If you disable (delete all of them except for one that needs to be set to "no action", so that it will not be regenerated as default) the Extra Startup actions, the tablet should remain in relative mouse mode—you will not get pressure information in that mode though. [http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/highway_usb/message/2394]}} === Handheld Barcode Scanner Readers === {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="50%" |Opinion |- | <!--Description-->Farsun 9100 barcode scanner 0-12" | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Motorola Symbol LS2203 CMOS | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Tysso | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested Simple}} Code 11, Code 39, Code 93, Code 128, Coda Bar, UPC-A, UPC-E, EAN-8, EAN-13, MSI/Plessey, Telepen, Interleaved 2 of 5, Industrial 2 of 5, Matrix 2 of 5 |- | <!--Description-->Unitech MS320 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Wasp WCS3905 CCD 1" | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} Code 93, Matrix 2 of 5, Industrial 2 of 5, Code 39, UCC/EAN-128, ISBN, Code 32, EAN/JAN-8 , EAN/JAN-13 , UPC-A, UPC-E, Codabar, Code 128, Code 11, Interleaved 2 of 5, MSI-Plessey, China Post, IATA 2 of 5, ISSN, UK-Plessey |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Opinion |- | <!--Description-->Datalogic Touch 90 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Intermec | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Honeywell Metrologic MK9540-32A38 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Motorola LS2208 Laser | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Wasp WWS800 Laser 1D | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Opinion |- | <!--Description-->Datalogic GD4130-BK-C066 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Honeywell 1202G-1USB-5 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Motorola / Symbol DS6707-DC20007ZZR | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Opinion |- | <!--Description-->DataMan 8000 2D | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Honeywell Voyager 9520/40 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Metrologic MS1690 USB 2D Barcode Scanner | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} QR Code GS1 Databar PDF417 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Syscan GM800 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- |} [http://www.scandit.com/2011/11/04/types-of-barcodes-choosing-the-right-barcode-type-ean-upc-code128-itf-14-or-code39/ Types of Barcode] <pre> UPC-A Grocery most common Code 128 EAN-13 Library Books ISBN & ISSN, Code 39 Codabar blood bank, 2D barcodes such as Data Matrix PDF417e Maxicode Aztec QR Code old Nokia handsets, MicroPDF417 </pre> ===TouchScreens=== Projected capacitive (PCAP) touch screen product, amongst many options the widely used are I2C and USB *USB host–device structure which dominates consumer and industrial electronics devices where higher bandwidth needed and user-friendly (multiswipes) *I2C Inter-Integrated Circuit simple serial standard for LCD display in embedded systems because of cost and low power *SPI arduino and rpi single boards We cover the USB here {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="50%" |Opinion |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | eGalax Touch 4a | 0eef | 0001 | 0001 | {{yes|2009 works}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Lilliput HDMI Monitors 669GL-70NP/C/T (7 inch) 869GL-80NP/C/T (8 inch) FA1011-NP/C/T (10 inch) FA1046-NP/C/T (10 inch) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Iilyama Prolite Monitors PROLITE T1513SR-1 (15 inch) PROLITE T1730 (17 inch) PROLITE T1713SR-1 (17 inch) PROLITE T1913SR-1 (19 inch) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Smart Display Company (SDC) Touchscreens TFT Monitors TOUCH-TFT-TS07 (7 inch) TOUCH-TFT-TS08 (8 inch) TOUCH-TFT-TS10 (10 inch) TOUCH-TFT-TS12 (12 inch) TOUCH-TFT-TS15 (15 inch) TOUCH-TFT-TS17 (17 inch) TOUCH-TFT-TS19W (19 inch wide) TOUCH-TFT-TS22W (22 inch wide) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->XENARC Monitors 7 inch models 700TSH 700TSU 700TSV 702TSV 705TSV 706TSA 700IDT MDT-X7000 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->XENARC 8 inch models: 800TSV 805TSV 10 inch models: 1020TSV 1026TSA 1040TS 12 inch models: 1200TS 1200TR | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Opinion |- | <!--Description-->Asus VT229H 21.5" | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->CUQI 7" Monitor Touchscreen 1024x600 IPS | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Espresso 15" Portable Touchscreen Display Monitor | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Hannspree HT225HPB 21.5 inch | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->WaveShare 13.3inch HDMI LCD (H) (with case) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- |} ===GPS tracking, running, cycling, biking, walking, hiking, ORIENTEERING, boaters and mapping=== Support for OpenStreetMap but not for Ordnance Survey, Map Pilot or National Geographic's Topo maps data gdb, Data output supported nmea 0183 V1.5 APA, V1.5 XTE and V2.1 GSA formats, gpx, kml/kmz, tracks from tcx files, geo: URIs, NMEA0183(which is RS232, voltages range from -15 volts to 15 volts, 4800 baud), or need NMEA sentences connected to your computer other method that some units support is a special serial cable that actually emits raw RS232 NMEA. These usually take 10->30 volts input, can run the unit, and have full voltage I/O for RS232 (not like spanner mode, which effectively turns the unit into a USB->Serial adapter inside the case). Equivalent apps - merkator, mapsource, {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="50%" |Opinion |- | <!--Description-->Garmin gpsmap 180 GPS/chart plotter | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->1992 GARMIN GPS 55 AVD Portable System | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->Garmin GPS V | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested - waas pinpoint within 3 metres - nmea - 4AA battery}} |- | <!--Description-->Garmin GPS 12 12XL | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->Garmin Legend C | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->Garmin eMap | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|possibly through usbmodem rs232 connection nmea 0183 protocol}} |- | <!--Description-->Garmin eTrex | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} rs232 these older units supported it and would provide the stream in either the standard NMEA 0183 format or a proprietary Garmin format. |- | <!--Description-->Garmin GPS 75 AVD | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Magellan GPS Map 7000 model 45006 (1994) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Magellan GPS Tracker | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Magellan Pioneer Satellite Navigator | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Magellan GPS 300 315 320 Mentor Receiver (2003) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Not for dedicated sat nav units like the Nuvi, TomTom, etc | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Opinion |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->NaviLock NL-402U | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested u-blox 5 SuperSense® chipset with receivers for GPS, GLONASS, Galileo, BeiDou and QZSS}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->GM1-86UB | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| U-BLOX UB-6010 GGA,GSA,GSV, RMC and support VTG, GLL, TXT ublox binary and NMEA Command Dynamic Condition }} |- | <!--Description-->NAVILOCK GPS NL-602U USB | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{Yes|works via usbmodem.device - ublox ag 6 chipset - 50 channel}} |- | <!--Description-->TOPGNSS ton Receiver & Antenna GM702 u-blox 7 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{Yes|UBLOX7020 chip design bloc u-blox}} |- | <!--Description-->VK-162 G-MOUSE u blox 7 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1546 | <!--Product ID-->0x01a7 | <!--Revision-->0100 | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|UBX G70xx with RMC VTG GSV TXT GLL GGA GSA}} |- | <!--Description-->VK-172 u-blox 7 G7020-KT gps gnss white pen stick receiver - over 1 inch long | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1546 | <!--Product ID-->0x01a7 | <!--Revision-->0100 | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A| detected as cdc controlled plug in device - 18x18x2mm patch antenna but can be slow to update - nmea 0183 and ublox binary protocol}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->GlobalSat BU-353 WaterProof USB GPS Receiver | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested SiRF Star III}} |- | <!--Description-->Haicom HI-206 USB GPS receiver with RS-232 interfaces, RJ11 and PS/II connector EB | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|usb-serial prolific pl2303 detected but GSP3F SiRF Star IV technology not detected or bound}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->BT760Y, | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested Skytraq Venus 5 GPS chipset}} |- | <!--Description-->GM-65 USB GPS Receiver | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested Skytraq Venus 6 GPS chipset - 65 channel}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested Skytraq Venus 7 GPS chipset}} |- | <!--Description-->GM-65 USB GPS Receiver | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested Skytraq Venus 8 GPS chipset - 167 channels}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Opinion |- | <!--Description-->Garmin Colorado 300 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} USB |- | <!--Description-->Garmin Geko 101 201 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} limited waas enabled only - waypoints - aaa battery |- | <!--Description-->Garmin Edge 200 bike mount | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->Garmin ForeRunner 10 15 watch | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->Garmin Montana 600 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->Garmin Dakota 10 20 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->Garmin Map76s | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->Garmin Oregon 450T | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} USB nmea 0183 |- | <!--Description-->Garmin eTrex 10 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested - no nmea0183 sentences data stream output - configuration an option to set it to "Garmin" mode, or "Mass Storage" mode. Since the mass storage mode seems to be required for waypoint/track/etc data exchange, the 'Garmin' mode would be for this data stream. Yet putting it in that mode doesnt seem to produce anything.}} |- | <!--Description-->Garmin Oregon 650T | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->Garmin GPSMAP 64S | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{Maybe|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->GPSMap 78S or GPSMap 76CSX which has a NMEA port for talking to Nav equipment | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{Maybe|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->Garmin eTrex Vista Cx GPS Receiver | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested - 2AA battery}} |- | <!--Description-->Garmin GPSmap 276c | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->Magellan 2000 XL | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->Magellan | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->Magellan 3000 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->Magellan Triton 300 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} SiRFstarIII™, Antenna Type Multidirectional Patch with WAAS, EGNOS, MSAS support |- | <!--Description-->Magellan Triton 400 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- |} ==massstorage.class (MSC/UMS - most cameras and mp3 players)== === USB Card Readers === {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="15%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="5%" |Product ID ! width="5%" |Revision ! width="15%" |Installing ! width="15%" |Booting ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | A-Tec Model CR-362 | | | | <!--Installing--> | <!--Booting--> | {{N/A|untested}} |- | [http://www.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=&Section_Id=200406&pcount=&Product_Id=179164 Belkin 15 in 1 Card Reader] | | | | <!--Installing--> | <!--Booting--> | {{yes|works}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Installing--> | <!--Booting--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | Conrad CP440 60 in 1 | | | | <!--Installing--> | <!--Booting--> | {{yes|works on a1k forum}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Installing--> | <!--Booting--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | Genesys Gtech Logic 19 in 1 | 0x05E3 | 0x0710 | High 0200 | <!--Installing--> | <!--Booting--> | {{yes|works}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Installing--> | <!--Booting--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | Hama 19 in 1 Card Reader | | | | <!--Installing--> | <!--Booting--> | {{yes|works}} |- | Hama 35 in 1 Card Reader | | | | <!--Installing--> | <!--Booting--> | {{yes|works}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Installing--> | <!--Booting--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Integral Single Slot SD | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Installing--> | <!--Booting--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Installing--> | <!--Booting--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Kingston USB 3.0 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Installing--> | <!--Booting--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Lexar microsd adapter | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Installing--> | <!--Booting--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} but wider than Sandisk version - could block other slot if below |- | Pretec CardDriver | | | | <!--Installing--> | <!--Booting--> | {{no|no driver}} |- | Sandisk MicroMate | | | | <!--Installing--> | <!--Booting--> | {{yes|works}} |- | <!--Description-->Sandisk MobileMate SD | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Installing--> | <!--Booting--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Sandisk MobileMate Micro | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Installing--> | <!--Booting--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} has satisfying 'click' when microsd inserted |- | <!--Description-->Sandisk MobileMate Duo MicroSD | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Installing--> | <!--Booting--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} no 'click' insertion uses pressure so future wear and tear issues |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Installing--> | <!--Booting--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Serena metal cased microsd only | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Installing--> | <!--Booting--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|Maybe}} hit or miss on quality |- | <!--Description-->Serena "Sandisk MobileMate" look-alike | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Installing--> | <!--Booting--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|Maybe}} hit or miss on quality |- | SilverCrest 16in1 | | | | <!--Installing--> | <!--Booting--> | {{yes|works}} |- | <!--Description-->Transcend | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Installing--> | <!--Booting--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Transcend P5 8 in 1 TSRDP5K | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Installing--> | <!--Booting--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Transcend P8 15 in 1 TSRDP8K | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Installing--> | <!--Booting--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Installing--> | <!--Booting--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | Zyxel integralmemory 8 in 1 | 0x0aec | 0x3260 | | <!--Installing--> | <!--Booting--> | {{no|not detected}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Installing--> | <!--Booting--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- |} === USB Hard Drives === {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="50%" |Opinion |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | Datel MaxDrive | | | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Inateck 2.5 Inch USB 3.0 Hard Drive Disk Enclosure/ Case (FE2001) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} Full USB 3.0 port but plastic teeth keeping drive in place can snap |- | <!--Description-->Inateck case (FE2002) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} full USB 3.0 port - updated design |- | <!--Description-->Inateck case (FE3001) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} wider USB 3.0 port and no on/off switch Jmicron JMS578 chipset |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | Iomega Desktop Hard Drive 500GB, 3,5“, USB2.0 | | | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | Samsung | | | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | Samsung | | | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | Samsung T3 SSD | | | | {{N/A|untested}} USB 3.1 Gen 1 space grey / black metal/ plastic |- | Samsung T5 SSD | | | | {{N/A|untested}} USB 3.1 Gen 2 256GB 512GB alluring blue 1Tb 2Tb black unibody metal |- | Samsung | | | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | Seagate | | | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | Seagate | | | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Toshiba Canvio 1TB | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{Yes|partition fat32 or sfs to 100GB max - ntfs partitions not detected out of the box - select usb drive in trident prefs and press disable to shutdown}} |- | Verbatim 160GB Smartdisk | | | | {{yes|works }} |- | Western Digital USB | | | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->WD Essential | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->WD Passport | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- |} === USB DVD CD ROM Drives === {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="50%" |Opinion |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->12.5mm | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Opinion |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Opinion |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->12.5mm enclosure mini-sata dvd-rw | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested needs sole usb3 port to power it}} |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Opinion |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->9.5mm enclosure ECD829 mini-sata dvd-rw with Initio Corporation INIC-1618L SATA | <!--Vendor ID-->0x13fd | <!--Product ID-->0x0840 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested but probably needs sole usb3 port to power it}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |} === USB to NGFF NVMe SDD HDD DVD CD ROM Drives === The older Jmicron JMS539B seems to result in massive filesystem corruption given the amount of corrupted content. Prehaps always avoided Jmicron and opted for Asmedia even if it costed a bit more. Realtek seems to be working okay for me generally speaking and newer Jmicron chipsets are less buggy – but evidently not perfect. From [https://goughlui.com/2025/08/17/psa-validate-your-storage-jmicron-jms583-kioxia-bg4-series-ssd-issue/ thread] Here is a [https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/stable-nvme-usb-adapter.2572973/ very long thread] that discusses data corruption and stability issues with these bridges. The majority of the posts are complaining of dropouts, hangs and the like, which usually down to either a poor USB 3.x implementation (SuperSpeed connections are very picky as to cables, ports and trace routing) or problematic compatibility. Regardless, the [https://www.legitreviews.com/jmicron-jms583-controller-version-matters-for-portable-usb-drives_219422 JMS583 is known to have several versions] noting that the last revision (C) in that article is a 2021 release which should fix earlier stability and cable quality compatibility issues. JMS583-STD-Release-v00.02.01.04-Bus Power.bin is the latest JMS583 firmware as of August 2025. Early firmware RTL9210 seems to have issues as well * RTL9210B * JMS583 rev1 with firmware A2 or A3 * RTL9210A * JMS583 firmware 2.0.9 * Asmedia ASM2362 * RTL9201A The reference Hardware ID for the JMS583 chipset from JMicron is: VID_152D&PID_0583&REV_0209 where "VID_152D" identifies a JMicron product; "PID_0583" is the generation chipset; "REV_0209" is the firmware version installed. In the same way, the reference Hardware ID for the RTL9210 from Realtek is: VID_0BDA&PID_9210&REV_3100 "VID_0BDA" is for a Realtek product, "PID_9210" is referred to the chipset and "REV_3100" to the firmware. {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="50%" |Opinion |- | <!--Description-->ASM1153E / ASM1153 with firmware 140509_A1_82_40 or 141126_A1_EE_82. Both supports UASP and TRIM on USB 3.1 Gen.1 adapter | <!--Vendor ID-->0x174c | <!--Product ID-->0x55aa | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{maybe|works with sabrent ec-uasp}} |- | <!--Description-->ASM235CM Ugreen aluminum bridging the USB3.2 Gen2x1 to Serial ATA host interface | <!--Vendor ID-->0x174c | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Opinion |- | <!--Description-->TI 9261 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->ASM225 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x174c | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Opinion |- | <!--Description-->JMicron JMS578 issues USB 3.1 Gen.1 adapter | <!--Vendor ID-->152d | <!--Product ID-->0578 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->JMicron JMS576 issues USB 3 to usb-c adapter | <!--Vendor ID-->152d | <!--Product ID-->0576 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{maybe|orico}} |- | <!--Description-->JMS562 JMicron Technology Corp | <!--Vendor ID-->152d | <!--Product ID-->0562 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->JMS561U | <!--Vendor ID-->0x152d | <!--Product ID-->0x1561 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{maybe|works with sabrent ec-uasp}} |- | <!--Description-->VL716Q4 Orico black meshed aluminum usb c | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Asmedia ASM1053E | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1B21 | <!--Product ID-->0x55aa | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->ASmedia ASM1051E | <!--Vendor ID-->0x174c | <!--Product ID-->0x55aa | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Asmedia ASM1053 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x174C | <!--Product ID-->0x1536 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Asmedia ASM104x | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1B21 | <!--Product ID-->0x1042 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Unknown Chinese version | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0bc2 | <!--Product ID-->0x2312 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{maybe|sometimes works}} |- | <!--Description-->JMicron N5321 gr | <!--Vendor ID-->0x152d | <!--Product ID-->0xa583 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Opinion |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Initio Corp INIC-1618L mini slimline sata 6 + 7 pins to usb2 adapter | <!--Vendor ID-->0x13FD | <!--Product ID-->0x0840 | <!--Revision-->0114 | <!--Opinion-->{{maybe|sometimes works mini sata to usb2 detects 201x laptop DVD as MassStorage(CD/DVD) but may need powered USB hub}} |- | <!--Description-->Unknown mini sata to usb3 adaptor | <!--Vendor ID-->0x01F75 | <!--Product ID-->0x0621 | <!--Revision-->0036 | <!--Opinion-->{{maybe|sometimes works mini sata to usb3 detects 201x notebook DVD drive as MassStorage(SCSI) but 5V 1.5Amp needs powered hub to burn }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |} === External Floppy === {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="50%" |Opinion |- | <!--Description-->[http://techtravels.org/amiga/amigablog/ Amiga Floppy Project] | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | {{no|no driver}} |- | <!--Description-->[http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=842 Catweasel Mk4] | 0xE159 | 0x0001 | 0x00 | {{yes|[http://archives.aros-exec.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=driver/storage works]}} |- | <!--Description-->[http://hxc2001.free.fr/floppy_drive_emulator/ HxC Floppy Emulator] | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | {{no|no driver}} |- | <!--Description-->[http://www.softpres.org/glossary:kryoflux KyroFlux] | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | {{no|no driver}} |- | <!--Description-->Samsung SFD-321U/EP USB Floppy | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | {{no|no driver}} |- | <!--Description-->[http://www.cbmstuff.com/proddetail.php?prod=SCP SuperCard Pro] | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->[https://www.facebook.com/groups/greaseweazle Greaseweazle STM hardware], [https://cowlark.com/fluxengine/index.html Greaseweasel support], [https://github.com/keirf/Greaseweazle/wiki software], [https://amigakit.amiga.store/greaseweazle-p-91279.html buy], | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->FL-2501 USB Portable Diskette Drive | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->2009 usb - [https://amiga.robsmithdev.co.uk/ Drawbridge] [https://github.com/RobSmithDev/ArduinoFloppyDiskReader software] ribbon cable compat with p/n 19308801-19 and s/n U356244 - model ASM P/N 27l4226 and FRU P/N 05k9283 - |- | <!--Description-->Dell Floppy Drive Module USB External 3.5" - Teac FD-05PUB 1.44mb | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->2004 usb 1.1 |- | <!--Description-->USB FLOPPY DISK DRIVE (USB External Floppy Disk) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->[https://github.com/SukkoPera/OpenFlops OpenFlops] with [https://github.com/keirf/flashfloppy FlashFloppy] Gotech clone | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->[https://github.com/hmerrett/HenryFlops HenryFlops reworked OpenFlops] | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- |} ==ptp.class (PTP and MTP - other cameras and mp3 players)== === Cameras === {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="50%" |Opinion |- | <!--Description-->Canon EOS 20D | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2004 }} |- | <!--Description-->Canon 350D (also known as the Digital Rebel XT/Kiss Digital N) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2005 DIGIC II processor 8-megapixel }} |- | <!--Description-->Canon PowerShot A430 A560 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2006 }} |- | <!--Description-->Canon EOS 400D (XTi) digital SLR | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2007 }} |- | <!--Description-->Canon EOS 1000D also known as Rebel XS | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2008 10.2mp 720p }} |- | <!--Description-->Canon 450D aka Rebel Xsi | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2008 12.2mp }} |- | <!--Description-->Canon PowerShot S90 S95 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2009 2010 720p video - 10Mpixel }} |- | <!--Description-->Canon Powershot SD960 IS Digtal ELPH | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2009 Still Image: Exif 2.2 (JPEG), Movie: MOV (Image: H.264; Audio: Linear PCM) Lithium-ion Battery Pack NB-4L }} |- | <!--Description-->Canon EOS 500D aka Rebel | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2009 1080p 15.1MP Lithium }} |- | <!--Description-->Canon EOS 550D 600D aka Rebel T2i T3i DSLR | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2010-2011 1080p 18MP Lithium LP-E8 }} |- | <!--Description-->Canon Powershot S100 S110 S120 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2011-2013 720p-1080p video 12.1MP and above versions - }} |- | <!--Description-->Canon EOS 1100D DSLR Camera aka Rebel T3 SLR, EOS Kiss X50 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2011 720p 10Mpixels Lithium }} |- | <!--Description-->Canon EOS 650D 700D aka Rebel T4i T5i T6i SLR | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2012-2013 1080p 18Mpixels Lithium LP-E8 articulating flip out twistable screen }} |- | <!--Description-->Canon ELPH 300 HS (IXUS 220 HS) 230 100 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2012 blogging camera }} |- | <!--Description-->Canon PowerShot N | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2013 12.1 MP CMOS, DIGIC 5 Wifi Lithium Battery Pack NB-9L }} |- | <!--Description-->Canon Powershot G7 X, G7X-II | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2014-2016 1080p video 12.1MP and above versions - }} |- | <!--Description-->Canon EOS 1300D DSLR Camera aka Rebel T6 SLR | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2016 1080p 16Mpixels Lithium }} |- | <!--Description-->Canon Powershot G7x G5X | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| G7X flip up and G5X flip out - same batteries - no external microphone input - }} |- | <!--Description-->Canon EOS M3 M5 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| flip out - same batteries - }} |- | <!--Description-->Canon EOS 60D 70D 80D | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Canon 6D 7D 8D | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->Canon 5D Mark II III IV DSLR | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Canon | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Canon | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Fuji FinePix A850 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->FujiFilm Finepix F100fd | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Fuji FinePix F810 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Fuji xf1 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| pocketable exr cmos 12mp }} |- | <!--Description-->Fuji xt1 x-t1 x10 x-t10 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| 1080p }} |- | <!--Description-->Fujifilm x100 x100s x100t | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Fuji xPro1 xPro2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Fuji xt2 / x-t2 x-t20 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| 4K video }} |- | <!--Description-->Fuji | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Fuji | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->Fuji | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->GoPro HERO 3 HERO4 HERO 5 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Nikon | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Nikon D100, D60 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2004 Compact flash storage - non interchangeable lenses up to 12.3MP sensor }} |- | <!--Description-->Nikon D50, D50x | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2005 storage - 6.1MP sensor }} |- | <!--Description-->Nikon D70, D80, D90 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2006 Compact flash storage - 10MP sensor }} |- | <!--Description-->Nikon D40, D40x | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2007 storage - 10MP sensor }} |- | <!--Description-->Nikon D300, D700 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2008 storage - 12.3MP sensor }} |- | <!--Description-->Nikon D2Xs, D2Hs, D3 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2006-2008 storage - sensor }} |- | <!--Description-->Nikon D3000 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2008 720p video }} |- | <!--Description-->Nikon D5000 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2010 720p video unlike D3000 }} |- | <!--Description-->Nikon D6000 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2010 16mpixel}} |- | <!--Description-->Nikon D7000 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2010 16.2mp 720p video }} |- | <!--Description-->Nikon L26 L27 L28 L29 L31 Coolpix compact cameras | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2011 720p video - 2 AA - pocket sized }} |- | <!--Description-->Nikon D3100 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2011 720p video 14.2mp}} |- | <!--Description-->Nikon D5100 DSLR | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2011 16.2mp 720p}} |- | <!--Description-->Nikon L810 L820 L830 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2012-2014 720p video }} |- | <!--Description-->Nikon D4 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2012 storage - sensor }} |- | <!--Description-->Nikon D7100 D7200 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2012-2014 up to 24.2mp 1080p video }} |- | <!--Description-->Nikon D3200 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2012 1080p 24MPixel}} |- | <!--Description-->Nikon D5200 D5300 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2013 24.1MP 1080p }} |- | <!--Description-->Nikon D800 D600 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2014 1080p video sd card storage - dust/oil issue at start}} |- | <!--Description-->Nikon D3300 DSLR | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2014 24.2MP 1080p }} |- | <!--Description-->Nikon D500, a high-performance DX-format (APS-C) DSLR | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2016 }} |- | <!--Description-->Nikon D5500 D5600 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2016-2018 24.1MP 1080p }} |- | <!--Description-->Nikon D810 D610 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2018 1080p video sd card storage }} |- | <!--Description-->Nikon D7300 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| 4K UHD video }} |- | <!--Description-->Nikon D900 D850 D820 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| 4k 46MP }} |- | <!--Description-->Nikon | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Nikon | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Olympus C-370 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2004 3.2mp }} |- | <!--Description-->Olympus Camedia C-725 Ultrazoom | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2004 3mp aa batteries, }} |- | <!--Description-->Olympus Evolt E-500 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2005 8mp }} |- | <!--Description-->Olympus | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Olympus Evolt E-410 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2007 }} |- | <!--Description-->Olympus Evolt E-510 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2007 10MP Live MOS sensor with TruePic III processor, }} |- | <!--Description-->Olympus E-420 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2008 10mp, compactflash and xD cards, }} |- | <!--Description-->Olympus E-520 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2008 10mp, compactflash and xD cards, }} |- | <!--Description-->Olympus E-620 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2009 12.3mp, compactflash, xD and microdrive cards, }} |- | <!--Description-->Olympus E-30 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2009 }} |- | <!--Description-->Olympus E-450 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2009 10mp, }} |- | <!--Description-->Olympus | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Olympus | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Pentax * ist DS DSLR camera | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2005 6.1mp }} |- | <!--Description-->Pentax K10D | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2006 10.2mp APS-C CCD no video and older manual Pentax K-mount lenses}} |- | <!--Description-->Pentax K20D | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|2008 14.6MP APS-C but no video recording mode }} |- | <!--Description-->Pentax K30 K-5 II | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|2012 16MP full HD (1080p) recording at 24/25/30 fps}} |- | <!--Description-->Pentax K-3 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2014 24MP 1080p }} |- | <!--Description-->Pentax K-3 II | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2015 24MP }} |- | <!--Description-->Pentax K-3 III | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2021 25.7MP BSI CMOS sensor }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Panasonic Lumix LZ10 LZ20 DMC-LZ30 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| 720p video }} |- | <!--Description-->Panasonic TZ1 TZ5 TZ9 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Panasonic Lumix GH1 GH2 like the DMC-GH2HEB-K - GH3 DMC-GH3HEB-K | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| Four Thirds (GH2) MFT Micro Four Thirds (GH3) limited to 29mins recording }} |- | <!--Description-->Panasonic AF series AF100 AF101 AF102 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Panasonic Lumix DMC-G2 DMC-G3 G5 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Panasonic TZ60 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Panasonic DMC LX7 10 LX15 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Panasonic GF7 GX8 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Panasonic G80 G85 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| micro 4/3 }} |- | <!--Description-->Panasonic GH4 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| micro 4/3 - shooting in MOV or MP4 formats recording limited to sd card size but split files because the FAT32 file system only supports files up 4GB in size, which amounts to around 5 minutes of 4K (100mbps) footage - GH4 appears to create 4GB files as a rule, regardless of whether the memory card’s file system supports larger files or not - }} |- | <!--Description-->Panasonic GH5 gx80 gx85 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| Effective: 20.3 Megapixel 5184 x 3888 - 2 sd card slots compatible with high-speed, high capacity UHS-II - sd card v rating like the v90 should record at 60MB/s to be compatible with the GH5 in the All-I format - possible file corruption with .mdt files - new firmware 2.0 update, the Panasonic GH5 becomes the first 5K - }} |- | <!--Description-->Panasonic FZ2000 FZ2500 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Panasonic | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Samsung | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Samsung WB100 WB1100 WB150 WB2200 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| 16MP }} |- | <!--Description-->Samsung NX11 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Samsung NX200, NX20, NX1000 and NX210 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| 20.3Mp APS-C sized CMOS image sensor }} |- | <!--Description-->Samsung | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Samsung | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Sanyo Xacti CG65 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Sanyo | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Sony Alpha DSLR-A100 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2005 6.1MP }} |- | <!--Description-->Sony Cyber-shot DSC camera models W110 W220 H300 H400 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2007 }} |- | <!--Description-->Sony Alpha DSLR-A200 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2008 10.2MP }} |- | <!--Description-->Sony Alpha DSLR-A230 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2009 10.2MP }} |- | <!--Description-->Sony Cybershot HX20V HX30V | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2011 18mp 720p - steady shot unit / optical block can cause buzzing noise and/or jumping image in lcd / viewfinder - dots are dirt and this voids the warranty }} |- | <!--Description-->Sony Cybershot HX50V HX60V | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2012 20.2MP 1080p - steady shot unit / optical block can cause buzzing noise and/or jumping image in lcd / viewfinder - dots are dirt and this voids the warranty }} |- | <!--Description-->Sony A77 A99 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2012 }} |- | <!--Description-->Sony WX100 WX150 wx220 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2012 2014 }} |- | <!--Description-->Sony NEX-6 Sony NEX-7 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2011 16 to 24MP }} |- | <!--Description-->Sony NEX-3N Sony NEX-5N | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2013 16MP }} |- | <!--Description-->Sony α58 Sony α68 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2013 20.1 MP 2014 24mp }} |- | <!--Description-->Sony rx100 mk III | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2014 20.1MP 1.0-type back-illuminated Exmor R CMOS sensor, often after boot-up, the motor starts running for no reason for first versions' - }} |- | <!--Description-->Sony α5000 a5000 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2014 20.1 Megapixel APS-C Exmor APS HD CMOS 1080p Sony E-mount [https://github.com/ma1co/Sony-PMCA-RE hack] using [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M4hR9HiOzM this] }} |- | <!--Description-->Sony α6000 a6000 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2014 24MP APS-C sensor }} |- | <!--Description-->Sony α7 A7S a7r a7c | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2014 mirror less - more compact }} |- | <!--Description-->Sony α77 II, α99 II, | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2015 24.3 MP, 2016 42.4mp }} |- | <!--Description-->Sony rx100 mk IV V | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2015 2016 }} |- | <!--Description-->Sony RX0 RX zero, RX0 II | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2015 2017 }} |- | <!--Description-->Sony α6500 a6500 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2016 24.2MP APS-C sensor 4K }} |- | <!--Description-->Sony α7 Alpha 7 II E-mount interchangeable lens mirrorless camera | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2017 24.2mp, }} |- | <!--Description-->Sony α7 A7Sii a7r a7c | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2018 mirror less - more compact }} |- | <!--Description-->Sony a7 III α77 ILCE7M3/B Full-Frame Mirrorless Interchangeable-Lens Camera | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2019 24.2mp, }} |- | <!--Description-->Sony ZV-1 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2021 24mm optical zoom, }} |- | <!--Description-->Sony ZV-1F | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2022 entry-level vlogging, 1-inch 20.1MP, ultra-wide 20mm f/2 prime lens}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |} <pre > Lens Mounts Canon EF EF-S Nikon F Panasonic Olympus OM Pentax DA, FA, F, A, M, and K series Fujifilm X mount </pre > <pre > Sensors APS-C S35 Full Frame 43 Four Thirds M43 MFT Micro four thirds </pre > === Digital Voice Recorder Dictaphone Dictation Machine Handheld === {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="50%" |Opinion |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->Olympus VN-7000 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested 2011 }} |- | <!--Description-->Olympus VN-7200 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|untested 2012 no usb }} |- | <!--Description-->Olympus VN-7500 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested 2012 }} |- | <!--Description-->Olympus VN-7600 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested 2013 }} |- | <!--Description-->Olympus WS-100 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested usb}} |- | <!--Description-->Olympus VN-7700 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->Olympus VN-8600 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->Olympus VN-711PC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->Olympus VN-712PC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->Olympus VN-731PC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->Olympus | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->Olympus WS-811 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested slide out usb-a - aaa battery - ok recordings }} |- | <!--Description-->Olympus VN-540PC Olympus VN-541PC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->Philips DVT1250 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->Sony | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->Sony | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->Sony | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->Sony ICD-UX470 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->Sony ICD-UX560 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->Sony ICD-UX570 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- |} === USB eBooks Readers drm free EPUB version 2.0.1 (2007), 3.0 (2011), 3.1 (2015) or [https://www.w3.org/TR/epub-33/ 3.3 (2024)] [https://github.com/thansen0/sample-epub-minimal epub examples] formats access === EPUB file format is an open standard based on XHTML for content and XML for metadata, contained in a zip file archive PDF v2.0 in 2017, 2009 takeover by ISO Org, 1.7 in 2006 , 1.6 in 2005, 1.4 in 2001, 1.3 in 1999, 1.0 in 1993 {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="5%" |Product ID ! width="5%" |Revision ! width="15%" |Access ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Barnes and Noble Nook Simple Touch NST BNRV300 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x2080 | <!--Product ID-->0x0003 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access-->when finding the right micro usb cable that works, internal nook memory not accessible but sd card fat32 readable and writable outside | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|2011 6in 600x800 e-ink 16 grayscale .jpg}} battery remove sd card and Torx T5 back top for Cameron Sino CS-BNR003SL - USA 1.2.2 md5sum 351e26527e80156183e74be2da2ce89f *nook_1_2_update.zip - 1.2.1 UK fdba3981f7f221cc5143db6329645bc2 *nook_1_2_update.zip - skip registration, Turn on the device, but do NOT start setting it up. Hold down the top right button on the front of the device and slide your finger from left to right across the top of the E Ink screen. A ‘Factory’ button should appear in the top left corner of the screen. Press it. Once in the Factory menu, hold down the top right button on the front of the device and tap the bottom right corner of the screen should now see a ‘Skip Oobe’ button. Tap that and the Nook should finally load the home screen. Poor battery management - |- | <!--Description-->Barnes and Noble Nook Simple Touch with Glowlight *2012 Nook Simple Touch with GlowLight BNRV350 *2013 Nook GlowLight BNRV500 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x2080 | <!--Product ID-->0x0004 0x0007 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|2012 untested }} perform a hard reset: Turn off the nook completely, turn it on, as soon as you see the screen flash begin holding the bottom page turn buttons until the screen flashes with a message asking reset, press the 'n' key twice to start the reset - Poor battery management - |- | <!--Description-->Nook Glowlight 4 Plus 7.8-inch screen | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} Poor battery management - |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> *NOOK 1st Edition (2009-2018) BNRZ100 *NOOK Color (2010-2024) BNRV200 *NOOK Tablet (8GB/16GB) (2011-2024) BNTV250A / BNTV250 *NOOK HD (2012-2024) BNTV400 *NOOK HD+ (2012-2024) BNTV600 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Elonex 511EB | <!--Vendor ID-->045e:ffff | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|2009 untested Preferences->advanced->debug device detection}} |- | <!--Description-->[https://jaforeck.wordpress.com/2012/08/05/ready-to-meet-viktor-navorski-gained-access-to-elonex-621ebs-terminal-52/ Elonex 621EB] eBook | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1f85 | <!--Product ID-->0x1688 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access-->unlocked ootb | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|2010 untested usb mini charging 6" diagonal eInk Screen - 800 x 600 pixels, 8 Level 166dpi Paperlike screen, Embedded 1GB Flash NAND, full SD Card Slot up to 16GB - WAV, MP3, JPG, PNG, BMP, GIF support and ePub and PDF(with reflow) (TXT, HTML) support}} |- | <!--Description-->Elonex 700eb | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|2011 untested adjust screen blanking by menu then settings then device standby, you can then turn it off}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->iRiver Story HD eBook | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} freescale imx.508 arm mcimx508cvkbb cpu with 2gb samsung nand, m13892aj charging chip, eb07_main_mp1_110321 mobo, mini usb, atheros ar61026 wifi - |- | <!--Description-->iRiver Story | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Kobo Rakuten Touch A/B kobo3 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Kobo Touch C, Kobo Mini, Kobo Glo N613, Kobo Aura HD N514 N204 kobo4 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Kobo Aura, Kobo Aura H2O, kobo5 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|2013 6in untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Kobo Aura H2O Edition 2 v1, Kobo Glo HD, Kobo Touch 2.0, Kobo Aura ONE N709, Kobo Aura ONE Limited Edition, Kobo Aura Edition 2 v1 N236, kobo6 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Kobo Aura H2O Edition 2 v2, Kobo Aura Edition 2 v2, Kobo Nia, Kobo Clara HD, Kobo Forma, Kobo Libra H2O kobo7 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Kobo Elipsa, Kobo Sage kobo8 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> *Kobo Libra 2 kobo9, Kobo Clara 2E kobo10, Kobo Elipsa 2E kobo11 *Kobo Libra Colour kobo13, Kobo Clara BW, Kobo Clara Colour kobo12 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Pandigital Personal eReader aka? Papyre 6.2 very similar to BQ Avant Firmware | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2011 }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Sony PRS 300 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Sony PRS 350 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|2009 epub bbeb cbz untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Sony PRS-650 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Kindle K1 D00111 - Main Menu=: Settings: Menu=: Device Info shows S/N | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1949 | <!--Product ID-->0x0002 | <!--Revision-->100 | <!--Access-->256mb | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|2007 untested Marvell Xscale PXA255}} |- | <!--Description-->Kindle K2, D00511 170-1012-00, D00701 D00801 S11S01B * k2 means K2 US * k2i means K2 GW * dx means KDX US * dxi means KDX GW * dxg means KDX Graphite | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1949 | <!--Product ID-->0x0003 | <!--Revision-->100 | <!--Access-->2gb unless jb | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|2010 untested Freescale i.MX31 }} the Kindle is a small computer running Linux 2.6 on an ARM processor |- | <!--Description-->AMAZON Kindle D00901 3rd Gen with keyboard - Menu, Settings for S/N and then Menu again to choose Update * S/N starts B006 means k3g aka K3 3G US * S/N starts B008 means k3w aka K3 WiFi * S/N starts B00A means k3gb aka K3 3G UK EU - debug mode with ;debugON and ~help | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1949 | <!--Product ID-->0x0004 | <!--Revision-->100 | <!--Access-->{{yes|4Gb internal no access until jailbroken JB}} | <!--Opinion-->2010 with mobi and azw3 formats only - micro usb 5v 0.85a - freescale i.mx35 ARM soc with 12bit parallel interface with epson e-ink cpu, 256MB synchronous dynamic RAM, 4GB eMMC internal memory only but no sd slot, MC13892 PMIC - atheros wifi 54mbit pci-e a e keyed wifi - ?? later models wm96103 audio codec - display has 2Mbit serial memory ic on ribbon cable with 4bpp inverse grayscale display not touchscreen - 3g module - screen replacement really annoying - 4 test points near T07 = TX RX GND ? - as of 2025, JB v0.13.N, MKK2014, MKK2025, KUAL, KoReader Legacy2025, and maybe later SS v0.47.N, Python 0.14.N, Fonts v5.16.N, USBNet v0.57.N - USB-downloader mode when Vol+ is pressed during startup - Shift + Alt + M for Minesweeper - |- | <!--Description-->Amazon Kindle 4th Generation k4 D01100 two buttons, square movement and two buttons at bottom *B00E | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1949 | <!--Product ID-->0x0005 | <!--Revision-->100 | <!--Access-->2gb unless jb with USB MS, USBMS aka also known as USB MSC or UMS | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|2012 untested }} plastic back clipped in but taped down to battery cover, use Torx T5 to remove battery cover screws - battery glued down S2011-001-A 515-1058-01 DR-A015 MC-265360 - Freescale i.MX508 SOC, 2Gb eMMC storage, 256MiB of LPDDR1, MC13892 PMIC - vendor modified u-boot imximage based on u-boot v2009.08 - USB-downloader mode press the fiveway down button during startup resetmykindle - as of 2025 upgrade firmware from 4.1.x and to 4.1.4, sign into account and copy jb.1.8 bits, mkk-2014, mkk-2025, kual and then uninstall kual, koreader2025 - |- | <!--Description-->Kindle Touch WiFi (Kindle 5th Gen) D01200 K5, KT *Once signed into an Amazon Account get S/N under Settings -> Device Options *B00F Kindle Touch 3G + WiFi (Kindle 5) (U.S. and Canada) [Mostly] *B011 Kindle Touch WiFi (Kindle 5) *B010 Kindle Touch 3G + WiFi (Kindle 5) (Europe) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1949 | <!--Product ID-->0x0006 | <!--Revision-->100 | <!--Access-->4gb unless jb | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} touchscreen i.MX508 SOC, 256MiB of LPDDR1 and USB-downloader mode by the SOC microcode when a specific key is pressed during startup: the home button on model D01200 - update firmware 5.3.2 to 5.3.7.3, access account, |- | <!--Description-->Kindle PaperWhite 3G + WiFi (U.S.) [Mostly] PW <pre> B024 Kindle PaperWhite WiFi B01B Kindle PaperWhite 3G + WiFi (U.S.) [Mostly] B020 Kindle PaperWhite 3G + WiFi (Brazil) B01C Kindle PaperWhite 3G + WiFi (Canada) B01D Kindle PaperWhite 3G + WiFi (Europe) B01F Kindle PaperWhite 3G + WiFi (Japan) </pre> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1949 | <!--Product ID-->0x0007 | <!--Revision-->100 | <!--Access-->2gb | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested Freescale i.MX508 }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1949 | <!--Product ID-->0x0008 | <!--Revision-->100 | <!--Access-->2gb | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Kindle PaperWhite 2 (2013) PW2 *B0D4, 90D4 WiFi (U.S., Intl.) *B05A, 905A WiFi (Japan) *B0D5, 90D5 3G + WiFi (U.S.) [Mostly] *B0D6, 90D6 3G + WiFi (Canada] *B0D7, 90D7 3G + WiFi (Europe) *B0D8, 90D8 3G + WiFi (Russia) *B0F2, 90F2 3G + WiFi (Japan) *B017, 9017 WiFi (4GB) (U.S., Intl.) *B060, 9060 3G + WiFi (4GB) (Europe) *B062, 9062 3G + WiFi (4GB) (U.S.) [Mostly] *B05F, 905F 3G + WiFi (4GB) (Canada) *B061, 9061 3G + WiFi (4GB) (Brazil) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1949 | <!--Product ID-->0x0009 | <!--Revision-->100 | <!--Access-->2gb or 4gb | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} PW2 uses Freescale/NXP i.MX6 SoloLite |- | <!--Description-->Kindle Paperwhite 3 PW3 i.e. Kindle 7th gen *G090G1 (2015) WiFi *G090G2 (2015) 3G + WiFi (U.S.) [Mostly] *G090G4 (2015) 3G + WiFi (Mexico) *G090G5 (2015) 3G + WiFi (Europe, Australia) *G090G6 (2015) 3G + WiFi (Canada) *G090G7 (2015) 3G + WiFi (Japan) *G090KB (2015) WiFi *G090KC (2015) 3G + WiFi (Japan) *G090KE (2016) 3G + WiFi (International) White *G090KF (2016) 3G + WiFi (International) White *G090LK (2016) WiFi, 32GB (Japan) *G090LL (2016) WiFi, 32GB (Japan) White | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1949 | <!--Product ID-->0x000A | <!--Revision-->100 | <!--Access-->4gb | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} ease up glued down front bezel rim panel gently, remove 11 screws underneath and lift screen up from bottom end - battery underneath - |- | <!--Description-->Kindle PaperWhite 4 (2018) PW4 *G000PP, G8S0PP WiFi, 8GB *G000T6, G8S0T6 WiFi, 32GB *G000T1 WiFi+4G, 32GB *G000T2 WiFi+4G, 32GB (Europe) *G00102 WiFi, 8GB (India) *G000T3 WiFi+4G, 32GB (Japan) *G0016T, G8S16T WiFi, 8GB Twilight Blue *G0016Q, G8S16Q WiFi, 32GB Twilight Blue *G0016U WiFi, 8GB Plum *G0016V, G8S16V WiFi, 8GB Sage *G00103 WiFi, 32GB (India) *G0016R WiFi, 32GB Plum *G0016S WiFi, 32GB Sage | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1949 | <!--Product ID-->0x000B | <!--Revision-->100 | <!--Access-->8gb or 32gb | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested Freescale/NXP i.MX6 SoloLite }} |- | <!--Description-->Kindle Oasis 2 and 3 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access-->8gb or 32gb | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested NXP i.MX7D }} |- | <!--Description-->Kindle Paperwhite 5 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access-->8gb or 16gb | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested MediaTek MT8110 }} |- | <!--Description-->Kindle 11 Scribe | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access-->8gb or 16gb | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested MediaTek MT8113 }} |- | <!--Description-->Kindle Paperwhite 6 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access-->16gb or 32gb | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Kindle Paperwhite Gen 11 and 12 - Signature | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1949 | <!--Product ID-->0x0 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access-->16Gb or 32Gb | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2024 account not blocked, }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->[https://github.com/Modos-Labs Modos Labs] open source e-ink 60Hz 75Hz caster controller and glider monitor | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Xteink X3 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->[https://www.xteink.com Xteink X4] | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->2025 4.3in 220ppi no touchscreen so [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7RuokaVauo buttons navigation] - 650mAh battery - micro-sd slot up to 512Gb covering epub, txt, and jpg in directories with [https://github.com/crosspoint-reader crosspoint reader] esp32 cpu custom rom firmware using [https://xteink.dve.al/ Flash website] on usb-c but no ecosystem store |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |} {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="15%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="5%" |Product ID ! width="5%" |Revision ! width="15%" |Access ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Description-->Amazon D01400 Kindle Fire (1st Generation) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|2010 too old }} android 2.3 and touchscreen digitizer fails often, battery SWE P/N 1002000004742 Model KC1 (EU) QP01 (US) 16.28whr, ti 257epl9l omap 4430 with elpida 88164b3pf-10-f88164b3pf or hynix, mobo ??,, DAOKC1MB8F0 Rev F, ti aic3110 audio codec, |- | <!--Description-->Amazon Fire 7in X43260 X43Z60 2nd Gen | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2012 untested FireOS Android 4 omap 4460 and PowerVR SGX540}} |- | <!--Description-->Amazon Kindle Fire HD (3rd Gen) P48WVB4 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2013 untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Amazon *Amazon Fire HD10 (2015) *Amazon Fire HD8 (2015) *Amazon Fire HD7 (2015) (5th Generation) 7 inch 8GB SV98LN *Amazon Fire HD7 (2014) *Amazon Fire HD6 (2014) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|untested android 5.1 max}} |- | <!--Description--> *Amazon Fire 10 (2017) *Amazon Fire 8 (2017) 7th Gen 8 inch SX034OT *Amazon Fire 7 (2017) (7th Generation) 7 inch 16GB (SR043KL) *Amazon Kindle Fire 7 (7th Generation) 7 inch 8GB WIFI Tablet (SR043KL) *Amazon Fire HD8 (2016) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| Android 5.1 max 7in screen resolution of 1024 x 600, }} |- | <!--Description--> *Amazon Fire 10/10+ (2021) *Amazon Fire 8/8+ (2020) *Amazon Fire 10 (2019) *Amazon Fire 7 (2019) *Amazon Kindle Fire 7 9th Gen 16GB M8S26G *Amazon Fire 8 (2018) 8th Gen 8 inch 32GB L5S83A | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| android 9 max}} |- | <!--Description-->Amazon *Amazon Fire HD 10 (2023) *Amazon Fire Max 11 (2023) *Amazon Fire 8 (2022) *Amazon Fire 7 (2022) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| android 11 max}} |- | <!--Description-->Amazon Kindle Scribe | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 }} |- | <!--Description-->Amazon | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Minimal Phone, Mudita Kompakt | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| eink }} |- | <!--Description-->Bigme B751C | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|2022 android untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Bigme B7 Pro | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 }} |- | <!--Description-->Bigme B6 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 android based color eink small - 300dpi b/w 150ppi color -}} |- | 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<!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2026 b/w eink with front light, no EMR annd capacitance pen, }} |- | <!--Description-->Onyx Moaan Pantone 6 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->reMarkable 1 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|2021 untested but subscriptions needed for some features }} |- | <!--Description-->reMarkable 2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|2023 untested but subscriptions needed for some features }} |- | <!--Description-->reMarkable Paper Pro Move | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|2024 untested but subscriptions needed for some features }} |- | <!--Description-->reMarkable 3 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2026 untested but subscriptions needed for some features}} |- | <!--Description-->reMarkable | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Supernote A5 X2 Manta | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2022 }} |- | <!--Description-->Supernote A6 X2 Nomad | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2023 }} |- | <!--Description-->Supernote | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Tolino Vision 2 3 4 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Tolino Epos2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Viwoods AI Paper and AI Paper Mini | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Access--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |} ==printer.class - PostScript 3 and internal ghostscript drivers== As the only printer driver that AROS supports natively is Postscript, our focus is on applications that generally output postscript formatted data for printing purposes and since the general Joe Public finds postscript capable printer very expensive, postscript interpreters (eg ghostscript) have been developed aas a cheaper option which sit in between postscript data streams and non postscript (HP PCL?) printers. Set up Printer Prefs for Postscript and set the print to file option. Ghostscript has internal printer drivers gs -h and with something like gs -sDEVICE=stcolor -r300 -sOutputFile=RAM:tempfile gs813:examples/tiger.ps copytopar ram:tempfile It checks if in RAM: exists a outputfile (Cinnamon can export to PS postscript) then it sends this via copytopar to the printer. There was only support for parport (parallel) but Terminillis added support for USB and ethernet. A big issue with using ghostscript for drivers is that data has to originate as postscript (.PS) file. gs -dSAFER -dBATCH -dNOPAUSE -sDEVICE=ljet4 -sOutputFile=RAM:tempfile RAM:file.pdf the ljet4 output device generates PCL also the pxlmono driver, which generates more generic PXL (PCL 6) gs -q -sstdout=%stderr -sDEVICE=pswrite -sOutputFile=- -dBATCH -dNOPAUSE -dPARANOIDSAFER testpage-a4.ps > test.pdf gs -q -sstdout=%stderr -sDEVICE=pxlmono -sOutputFile=- -dBATCH -dNOPAUSE -dPARANOIDSAFER test.pdf > test.pxl Printers supported by ghostscript...Explanation [http://freebooks.by.ru/view/RedHatLinux6Unleashed/rhl6u151.htm here] or [http://www.gnu.org/software/ghostscript/devices.html here] and [http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/doc/printer.htm here] <pre> bit cljet5 ljet4d pjxl300 pxlcolor bitcmyk cljet5c ljetplus pkm pxlmono bitrgb deskjet nullpage pkmraw stp bj10e djet500 pbm pksm tiff12nc bj200 epswrite pbmraw pksmraw tiff24nc bjc600 faxg3 pcx16 png16 tiffcrle bjc800 faxg32d pcx24b png16m tiffg3 bmp16 faxg4 pcx256 png256 tiffg32d bmp16m ijs pcxcmyk pnggray tiffg4 bmp256 jpeg pcxgray pngmono tifflzw bmp32b jpeggray pcxmono pnm tiffpack bmpgray laserjet pdfwrite pnmraw uniprint bmpmono lj5gray pgm ppm x11 bmpsep1 lj5mono pgmraw ppmraw x11alpha bmpsep8 ljet2p pgnm psgray x11cmyk cdeskjet ljet3 pgnmraw psmono x11gray2 cdj550 ljet3d pj psrgb x11gray4 cdjcolor ljet4 pjxl pswrite x11mono cdjmono </pre> === Internal Ghostscript support === {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="5%" |Product ID ! width="5%" |Revision ! width="10%" |Postscript Support ! width="10%" |GutenPrint Support ! width="20%" |Hardware Issues ! width="10%" |Running Costs ! width="20%" |Opinion |- | Canon BJ10e | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support--> | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | {{N/A|untested with Ghostscript drivers }} |- | Canon BJ200 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support--> | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | {{N/A|untested with Ghostscript drivers }} |- | Epson Stylus Color 600 parport inkjet | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support--> | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | {{yes|works - internal ghostscript support}} |- | <!--Description-->HP Deskjet 500 Parallel Port | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support--> | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support--> | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Postscript Support | GutenPrint Support | Hardware Issues | Running Costs | Opinion |- | HP1220C/PS USB Inkjet | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support--> | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | {{yes|works - PS3 emulation only}} |- | HP 1700PS USB Inkjet | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support--> | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | {{yes|works - PS3 emulation only}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support--> | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Postscript Support | GutenPrint Support | Hardware Issues | Running Costs | Opinion |- | <!--Description-->LJ-III | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support--> | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested HP PostScript Cartridge Plus (C2089A) a.. Press <ON LINE> (and take machine off line) b.. Press <Plus & Minus>, and while holding, press <ALT> and <RESET> together and watch the LCD and let go when the desired mode is displayed.}} |- | <!--Description-->HP Laserjet 4 4M 4MP (1992) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support--> | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | {{N/A|untested PS2 emulation HP 4 with optional ps cartridge - HP 4M and 4M+ built in}} |- | <!--Description-->HP Laserjet 4L Parport | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support--> | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | {{no|PCL5 HP 4L only - no postscript}} |- | <!--Description-->HP Laserjet 5M (1995) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support-->PS2 emulation | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | {{N/A|untested you can try the ljet4 for the various lj5 drivers which produce various flavours of PCL. The 4, 4+ and 5 only really had one issue that plagued them, and it's hardly an issue at all. You would get accordian jams at the exit. A lot of people worked through this by pulling the sheet out before it got caught. Easily fixed by opening back door and scrubbing grime off of rubber rollers. }} |- | HP Laserjet 5L Parport (1997) (C3906A bk) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support-->{{N/A}} | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | {{no|PCL5 support only.}} |- | HP Laserjet 5P 6P (1995) (C3906A bk) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support--> | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | {{N/A|untested HP 5p, 6p - Less tiny, slightly less slow. They are pretty bullet proof for low volume best to get postscript module though }} |- | HP Laserjet 2100 2100N 2100TN (1999) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support--> | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | {{N/A|untested PS2 emulation }} |- | HP Laserjet 4000 Series Parport (1998) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support--> | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | {{N/A|PS3 emulation only (4200 and 4600 have issues)}} |- | HP Laserjet 4050 Parport (1999) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support-->PS3 emulation only | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | {{maybe|works }} |- | HP Laserjet 5000 Parallel Port | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support-->PS3 emulation only | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | {{N/A|}} |- | HP LaserJet 6M, 1200, 1300, 2100, 2200, P2050 (and P2055) P3005, M3025, M3027, 3050, 3300, 4000, 4050, 4100, 4200, 4300, M4345, P3005, P3015, P4010, P4410, M5025, M5035, 5100, 5200, 8000, 8100, or 9000 series | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support-->PS3 emulation optional only | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | {{untested }} |- | <!--Description-->HP Color LaserJet 2550, 3700, 4650, 8500 and 8550 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support--> | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Lexmark Optra C, T, and W series | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support--> | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Xerox Phaser 850, 860 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support--> | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- |} === USB Monochrome === {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="5%" |Product ID ! width="5%" |Revision ! width="10%" |Postscript Support ! width="10%" |GutenPrint Support ! width="20%" |Hardware Issues ! width="10%" |Running Costs ! width="20%" |Opinion |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support--> | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support--> | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support--> | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Postscript Support | GutenPrint Support | Hardware Issues | Running Costs | Opinion |- | <!--Description-->Brother HL-1270N | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support-->BRScript | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Brother HL-3070CW Printer USB | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support--> | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | {{N/A|BR-Script3 (PS3) untested}} |- | <!--Description-->Brother HL5240 HL5240L | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support-->BRScript (PostScript Level 2) | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Brother HL-7050N | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support-->BR3 | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Brother MFC-7860DW Monochrome B/W BW | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support-->BR-Script BRScript (PostScript Level 3) | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Brother HL4570CDWT | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support--> | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support--> | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Epson EPL-6200 Laser Printer USB | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support--> | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | {{N/A|cheap to buy but untested - running cost unknown}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support--> | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Kyocera FS-1370DN | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support--> | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | HP LaserJet CP1515n USB | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support--> | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | {{N/A|cheap to buy but untested - running cost unknown}} |- | <!--Description-->Lexmark Optra E312 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support-->built in? | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support--> | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- |} === USB Color === {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="5%" |Product ID ! width="5%" |Revision ! width="10%" |Postscript Support ! width="10%" |GutenPrint Support ! width="20%" |Hardware Issues ! width="10%" |Running Costs ! width="20%" |Opinion |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support--> | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Brother hl-3075cw | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support-->BR-Script 3 | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Brother MFC-9120CN | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support-->BRS3 | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support--> | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->HP Color LaserJet 2500L (2003) USB | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support--> | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | {{maybe|slow printing}} |- | HP Color LaserJet 2550L 2550Ln (2004) USB | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support--> | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | {{maybe|slow printing}} |- | HP Color LaserJet CP1218, 2605, 3700, 4500, 4600, or 4650 series | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support--> | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | {{maybe|slow printing}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support--> | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | Konica Minolta Magicolour 4650EN | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support--> | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | {{N/A|untested}} |- | Kyocera FS-1010 FS-1010N | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support--> | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | {{N/A|untested}} |- | Kyocera FS-C5200DN | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support--> | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | {{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->Kyocera Mita FS-1030D | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support--> | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description-->Kyocera FS-C5150DN | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support--> | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support--> | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support--> | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | Lexmark C540n | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support--> | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | {{N/A|untested}} |- | Lexmark [http://www1.lexmark.com/products/view/Printers/Lexmark%20C780n/catId=cat10006-category&prodId=3907-product C780n] | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support-->{{yes|works PS3 emulation only}} | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support--> | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support--> | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | OKI C3600 Color Laser | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support--> | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | {{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->Samsung CLP-315 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support-->untested | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support--> | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | Xerox 618x Color Laser | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support--> | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | {{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support--> | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support--> | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support--> | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Postscript Support--> | <!--GutenPrint Support--> | <!--Hardware Issues --> | <!--Running Costs --> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested }} |- |} See [http://www.irseesoft.de/tp_drive7.htm here] for compatibility with TP7 (TurboPrint 7) Last update 2004. Not tested under emulation. Janus-UAE, Emumiga, OS3.x support via [http://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/NetPrinter NetPrinter] and [http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=driver/printer OS4 drivers] and [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=33955&forum=27#622365 experiences]. usbparallel.device untested with USB->Centronics - The printer.class is rather 'clever'. It remembers to which unit the printers were connected (until you reboot). So if you first plug in Printer1, it gets unit 0, and Printer2 gets unit 1. If you now remove both printers and replug Printer2, it still will get unit 1 and not 0. This is used not to confuse the programs using the different units (moreover, if some program uses the usbparallel.device unit of an USB printer, and the printer is unplugged, the device unit cannot be freed immediately as the application still keeps it open). Sticking to the same units is generally a good idea I think (and therefore this mechanism is also used with all other classes creating exec.devices). You may not send a short packet (packet less than maxpktsize == 64) nor zero byte packets until the very last byte of your printout. Otherwise the printer will silently ignore the data you sent. Some printer drivers print very short sequences that never fill the endpoint buffer, so printer ignore them. Bufferize all printer driver writes in the ieee1284.device and send them by epsize packets. So my hppsc2210 works fine with a classic HP560C driver, on a classic A2000 subwayized :) {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="50%" |Opinion |- | Beige cream D shape centronics end (Prolific chipset?) | | | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | Belkin F5U002v1 centronics end (chipset?) | | | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | Belkin F5U002VEA v2 centronics end (Prolific PL2305L chipset) | | | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | DYNAMODE USB-C-PP-1284 USB to 36pin (Prolific 2305 chipset) | 0x067b | 0x2305 | 0x02 | {{N/A|untested but similar to BAFO below}} |- | IOGear GUC1284B | | | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | My-Link (raised ellipse on centronics plastic end) (unknown chipset) | | | | {{N/A|untested but more expensive }} |- | NEWLink (Prolific chipset?) | | | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | Targus PA096E centronics end (chipset?) | | | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | TRENDnet ware TU-P1284 | | | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | True PnP (Prolific chipset 2305) cheap 36pin Centronics (series of ridges along both short sides) | 0x067b | 0x2305 | 2.00 | {{N/A|untested on BAFO BF-1284 but reports of poor quality and lack of support on other OSs }} |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Opinion |- | Transparent See Through Blue | | | | {{N/A|untested but possible poor quality build }} |- | Dynamode USB-PARALLEL 25pin female (prolific) | 0x067b | 0x2305 | 0x02 | {{N/A|untested}} |- | FDL USB to 25pin | | | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | PlusKom USB to 25pin female connector for printer (IEEE 1284) | | | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | QinHeng Electronics (CH340S chipset) | 0x1a86 | 0x7584 | | {{N/A|untested curvy sides - flat top }} |- | StarTech | | | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | Syba SD-USB-DB25 | | | | {{N/A|untested}} |- |} ==rawwrap.class - some old flatbed scanners supported== Scandal is the MUI frontend to [http://www.ppa.pl/bugtracker/ Betascan Bugtracker] and [http://aminet.net/search?query=betascan Search for Betascan scanner drivers] derived from [http://www.sane-project.org/sane-backends.html sane backends] [http://www.sane-project.org/sane-backends.html#S-EPSON2 Epson2] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="50%" |Opinion |- | Expression 1600 1640XL 1680 10000XL | 0x04b8 | 0x0107 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | Prefection 1200U, 1200 Photo, | 0x04b8 | 0x0104 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | Perfection 1240U | 0x04b8 | 0x010b | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{[https://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=45760&forum=25 works]|Needs 24V 0.8A psu but in Trident, click on "Classes", then on "rawwrap.class", then on "Configure". There, under "Global", activate the Option "Bind to Vendor/Unknown Interfaces". Now go to the second tab "Default Interface" and select/enter these values: Default usbraw.device Unit: 0 Exclusive access: Yes Out NAK Timeout: 20000ms In NAK Timeout: 20000ms In Buffer Mode: No buffering Buffer Size: 36 KB Short Reads Terminate: Yes Now click on "Use as Default" and select "Devices" on the left. There, click on your scanner and click on "Class Scan". Now close Trident by clicking on "Save". }} |- | Perfection 1640SU Photo | 0x04b8 | 0x010a | 0x0104 | {{yes|works, even the transparency unit}} |- | Perfection 1650 Photo, 1660 Photo, 3200 Photo | 0x04b8 | 0x011c | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | Perfection 2400 Photo, 2450 Photo | 0x04b8 | 0x011b | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | Perfection 4870 Photo, 4990 Photo, | 0x04b8 | 0x0128 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | Perfection V700 V750 Photo | 0x04b8 | 0x012c | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | Stylus CX2800 2900 3200 3500 3600 3650 3700 3800 3900 Stylus CX4100 4200 3500 4600 4700 4800 4900 500 5100 5200 5300 5400 5900 | 0x04b8 | 0x0802 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | Stylus Office BX300F USB | 0x04b8 | 0x0848 | | {{yes| works with good scan quality}} |- |} [http://www.meier-geinitz.de/sane/gt68xx-backend/ gt68xx] scanners based on the Grandtech GT-6801 and GT-6816 "System-On-Chip" scanner chipsets {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="50%" |Opinion |- | Artec Ultima 2000 and e+, Trust Flat Scan USB 19200 (ePlus2k.usb / Gt680xfw.usb) | 0x05d8 | 0x4002 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | Genius Colorpage Vivid3x 4x 1200x | 0x0458 | 0x2011 to 0x201f | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| (ccd548.fw)}} |- | <!--Description-->Lexmark X70 also X73 [http://subfusion.net/drivers/oslo3071b2.usb OSLO3071b2.usb] | <!--Vendor ID-->0x043d | <!--Product ID-->0x002d | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Medion/Lifetec/Tevion/Cytron MD/LT 9375 and Artec Ultima 2000, MD LT 9385 Gt680xfw.usb | <!--Vendor ID-->0x05d8 | <!--Product ID-->0x4002 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | BearPaw 2448 CS and TA Plus [http://www.meier-geinitz.de/sane/gt68xx-backend/firmware/A2Nfw.usb A2Nfw.usb] | 0x055f | 0x021a | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2009 }} |- | Mustek BearPaw 1200 CS | 0x055f | 0x021e | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| ([http://www.meier-geinitz.de/sane/gt68xx-backend/firmware/A1fw.usb A1fw.usb])}} |- | <!--Description-->Mustek 1200 CU Plus Scanner [http://www.meier-geinitz.de/sane/gt68xx-backend PS1Dfw.usb / SBSfw.usb] | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2000 }} |- | Mustek ScanExpress 1200 UB plus, Trust Compact Scan USB 19200, ScanMagic 1200 UB Plus | 0x05d8 | 0x4002 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| ([http://www.meier-geinitz.de/sane/gt68xx-backend/firmware/sbfw.usb sbfw.usb])}} |- | Mustek ScanExpress 1248 UB aka PC-World PC Line PCL-3000 | 0x055f | 0x021f | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| ([http://www.meier-geinitz.de/sane/gt68xx-backend/firmware/SBSfw.usb SBSfw.usb])}} |- | Mustek BearPaw 2400CS TA aka Goodmans GSC 12/24 | 0x055f | 0x0218 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| (Transparency adapter untested) }} |- | BearPaw 2400 CS aka TA Plus | 0x055f | 0x0219 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| (Transparency adapter) }} |- | Packard Bell Diamond 1200 Plus | 0x055f | 0x021c or 0x021b | 0x0 | {{yes|works - [http://www.meier-geinitz.de/sane/gt68xx-backend/ firmware required] but slow usb 1.1 speed with poor quality output (scanner fault not scandal)}} |- | Packard Bell Diamond 2400 Plus aka BearPaw 2400 CU Plus [http://www.meier-geinitz.de/sane/gt68xx-backend/ PS2Dfw2.usb firmware rename to PS2Dfw.usb] | 0x055f | 0x021d | 1.00 | {{yes|works slow usb 1.1 speed with ok quality output (scanner fault not scandal)}} |- | Plustek OpticPro 1248U | 0x07B3 | 0x0400 0x0401 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| (ccd548.fw)}} |- | Plustek OpticSlim 2400 | 0x07b3 | 0x0422 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| (cis3R5B1.fw)}} |- | Visioneer OneTouch 7300 | 0x04a7 | 0x0444 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| (Cis3r5b1.fw)}} |- | <!--Description-->Mustek ScanEpress 1200 UB (Plus) clone [http://www.meier-geinitz.de/sane/ use mustek_usb backend] | <!--Vendor ID-->0x055f | <!--Product ID-->0x0006 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- |} Lexmark - needs testing {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="50%" |Opinion |- | Lexmark X1110 | | | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | Lexmark X1140 | | | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | Lexmark X1150 | | | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | Lexmark X1170 | | | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | Lexmark X1180 | | | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | Lexmark X1185 | 0x043d | 0x007c | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | Lexmark X12xx | | | | {{N/A|untested in USB1.1, not fully tested in USB2.0}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Opinion |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | Dell A920 | | | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- |} HP - no driver {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="50%" |Opinion |- | HP ScanJet 4100C | 0x03f0 | 0x0101 | | {{no|no driver}} |- | HP ScanJet 5200C | 0x03f0 | 0x0401 | | {{no|no driver}} |- | HP ScanJet 62X0C | 0x03f0 | 0x0201 | | {{no|no driver}} |- | HP ScanJet 63X0C | 0x03f0 | 0x0601 | | {{no|no driver}} |- | HP | 0x03f0 | 0x0102, 0x0105, 0x0205, 0x0305, 0x0405 | | {{no|no driver}} |- | HP | 0x03f0 | 0x0705, 0x0805, 0x0901, 0x0a01 | | {{no|no driver}} |- | HP | 0x03f0 | 0x1205, 0x1305, 0x2005, 0x2205 | | {{no|no driver}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- |} Plustek [http://www.sane-project.org/sane-backends.html#S-PLUSTEK LM983x] - no driver {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="50%" |Opinion |- | Plustek OticPro U12 UT12 UT16 U24 UT24 | 0x07B3 | 0x0010 to 0x0017 | | {{no|no driver}} |- | KYE/Genius Colorpage HR6-V2 HR6A HR7 HR7LE HR6X | 0x0458 | 0x2008 to 0x2016 | | {{no|no driver}} |- | Hewlett-Packard ScanJet 2100C and 2200C | 0x03F0 | 0x0505 and 0x0605 | | {{no|no driver}} |- | Mustek BearPaw 1200 and 2400 | 0x0400 | 0x1000 and 0x1001 | | {{no|no driver}} |- | UMAX 3400/3450 and 5400 | 0x1606 | 0x0050, 0x0060 and 0x0160 | | {{no|no driver}} |- | Epson Perfection 1250 and 1260 | 0x04B8 | 0x010f and 0x011d | | {{no|no driver}} |- | CANON CanoScan N650/656U N1220U D660U N670/676U N1240U LIDE20 LIDE25 LIDE30 | 0x04A9 | 0x2206 to 0x2220 | | {{no|no driver}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |} [http://snapscan.sourceforge.net/ SnapScan] - no driver {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="50%" |Opinion |- | Acer Benq 310U, 320U, 340U | 0x4a5 | 0x0 | | {{no|no driver}} |- | Acer Benq 620U, 620UT, 640U, 640UT | 0x4a5 | 0x20 | | {{no|no driver}} |- | Acer Benq 1240 3300 4300 | 0x4a5 | 0x020 | | {{no|no driver}} |- | Agfa SnapScan e10 e20 e25 e26 e40 e42 e50 e52 | 0x06bd | 0x20 | | {{no|no driver}} |- | Epson Perfection 660 | 0x04b8 | 0x0114 | | {{no|no driver}} |- | Epson Perfection 1270 1670 | 0x04b8 | 0x0 | | {{no|no driver}} |- | Epson Perfection 2480 2580 | 0x04b8 | 0x0 | | {{no|no driver}} |- | Epson Perfection 3490 3590 | 0x04b8 | 0x0 | | {{no|no driver}} |- | Mitsubishi | 0x0 | 0x0 | | {{no|no driver}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- |} ==hub.class (self-powered and external ac powered hubs)== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="50%" |Opinion |- | <!--Description-->Dynamode USB-H41 4 ports | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Opinion |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | Belkin 4 Port | | | | {{yes|works}} |- | Conrad | | | | {{yes|[http://www.a1k.org/forum/showthread.php?t=11432 works on a1k forum] }} |- | DLink DUB-H4 AC Adapter | 0x05e3 | 0x0608 | High 0200 | {{maybe|WARNING Genesys Logic Hub Broken - Will cause failures with USB}} |- | [http://service.targa.co.uk/faq.php?lang_id=2&baseid=178&artdesc=SilverCrest+USB+Hub+2040&artid=760&artpic=silvercrestHUB2040.jpg SilverCrest 4-port slim USB 2.0 HUB - HUB2040 (40775) - Targa GmbH] | 0x05e3 | 0x0608 | 0901 | {{yes|works Genesys Logic, Inc., [http://service.targa.co.uk/dokumente/USB_HUB_2040_0109_manual_EN.pdf Manual]}} |- | Skymaster | 0x05e3 | 0x0605 | 060B | {{yes|works}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | No Name active 4-port | 0x1a40 | 0x0101 | 0111 | {{yes|works}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Opinion |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Thinkpad USB 3.0 Dock DU9019D1 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x17e9 | <!--Product ID-->0x4302 | <!--Revision-->0014 | <!--Opinion-->{{Maybe|works a bit}} classed as dfu.class with two further USB 2.0 hubs - USB 3.0 ports detected and work (2.0 backwards compatibility) - DisplayLink DL-3900 with VIA VL811 chipset - usb ethernet not working - two dvi not working - 20V psu 2a (40w) with a 5.5 - 2.5mm tip (no bus power) - data through a-b printer/scanner usb lead - |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Opinion |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} ==Internet== ===rndis.class USB Tethering === The rndis class provides support for Ethernet access over Remote NDIS. Most USB based devices should be supported including smartfones. Before opening Network Prefs, activate USB Tethering on the Smartfon, on Network prefs, type in usbrndis.device and tick "Start Network during system boot" and saved the configuration, the Connection is immediate no reboot is needed. When restart AROS my Smartphone deactivates the connection and to access the network again, have to reactivate it before starting the browser. {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="50%" |Opinion |- | <!--Description-->Alcatel | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{yes|untested}} |- | Huawei U8800 | 0x12d1 | 0x1039 | | {{yes|works}} |- | <!--Description-->Huawei | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{yes|untested}} |- | HTC (Android phone) | 0x0bb4 | 0x0ffe | | {{Yes|any android phone with usb tethering option}} |- | <!--Description-->Nokia | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{yes|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->Oppo | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{yes|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->Samsung Galaxy | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{yes|untested}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Opinion |- |- | <!--Description-->iPhone | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Microsoft winPhone | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |} ===USB &rarr; ethernet lan adaptor=== *2002 playstation 2 usb1.1 era - a little support but very old and slow *2006 wii asix era - a little support but very much miss than hit *2026 usb0: or eth0: of CDC Ethernet protocol (cdcether) with Ethernet Control Model (ECM) and [https://www.usb.org/document-library/class-definitions-communication-devices-12 others like Wireless Mobile Communication Devices WMC] and later CDC EEM (Ethernet Emulation Model) and NCM (Network Control Model) are USB Communication Device Class (CDC) protocols packing more Ethernet traffic over every USB bundle. For CDC Ethernet - NCM is better than EEM is better than ECM * USB1.1 Up to 010 meg broadband (1.25MBytes/s) - ADM8511, DM9601 poor speeds * USB2.0 Up to 400 meg broadband (60MBytes/s) - MCS7830, AX88772 a little especially the 2010 apple version but buy many as very very poor odds of working one * USB3.0 Over 400 meg broadband (60+MBytes/s) - not supported at the moment SANA (Standard Amiga Network Architecture) to usb ADMtek Infineon ADM8511 Pegasus II (USB 1.1 and 10Mbit/s - Sony PlayStation 2 network adapter) {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="5%" |Product ID ! width="5%" |Revision ! width="50%" |Opinion |- | 3Com 3c460b | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2001 }} |- | Abocom UFE1000 / Abocom DSB650TX | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | Accton USB320-EC / Accton SpeedStream Ethernet | 0x083a | 0x0320 | <!--Revision--> | {{unk|2002 }} |- | AEI USB Fast Ethernet / Allied Telesyn AT-USB100 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2002 }} |- | ATEN UC-110T | 0x0557 | 0x4000 | | {{unk|2001 }} |- | BAFO USB To Ethernet Adapter BF-310 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2001 }} |- | Belkin F5D5050 v1 1101 | 0x050D | | <!--Revision--> | {{maybe|2002 sometimes works from old amiga.org post which is now removed}} |- | Belkin F5D5050 v2 2101 | 0x050D | 0x0121 | <!--Revision--> | {{no|2006 does not works}} |- | Belkin F5U122-PC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | Billionton USB-100 / Billionton USBLP-100 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | Billionton USBEL-100 / Billionton USBE-100 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | Compex LinkPort/UE202A | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | D-Link DSB-H3ETX | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | D-Link DSB-650 / D-Link DSB-650TX / D-Link DSB-650TX-PNA | 0x2001 | 0x4000 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | D-Link DU-E10 / D-Link DU-E100 | 0x2001 | | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | Edimax USB Ethernet Adapter EU-4201 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | Elsa AG MicroLink USB2 Lan Ethernet adapter | 0x05cc | 0x3000 | <!--Revision-->1.01 | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | GetNet | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | GIGABYTE GN-BR402W Wireless Router | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Goodway Fellowes USB UE-120 REV:V1 UE120 ADMTek 1011594 HO2419741 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x07a6 | <!--Product ID-->0x0986 | <!--Revision-->0001 | <!--Opinion-->{{maybe|2001 USB Specification 1.1 compliant}} |- | GWC Tech USB Ethernet Adapter | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | Hawking UF100 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | HP HN210E / I/O DATA USB ETTX / Kingston KNU101TX | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | Jinco USB Ethernet Adapter 10/100 Base-T UE-110 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | Kouwell USB to Ethernet 588A | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | Linksys USB10T / TA / TX | 0x066b | 0x2202 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|untested - possible peg1/peg2}} |- | Linksys (Cisco) USB100TX / H1 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | Logitec LAN-TX/U1 H2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | [http://www.mayflash.com/psps2/ps2024/ps2024.htm Mayflash PS2024] Playstation2 compatible clone of Proxim/Farallon NetLine? | 0x07a6 | 0x8511 | <!--Revision-->1.01 | <!--Opinion-->{{maybe|works with DHCP router option on old 32bit distros but not on newer 64bit, best to go asixeth apple 2010 but buy many of them as poor success rate i.e. a lottery}} |- | Netgear FA101 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | Philips CPWUE01/00 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | Planet UE-9500 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | PlayStation 2 SCPH-10000 50000 models | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | Proxim (formerly Farallon) NetLine USB PN796-650 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | Siemens SpeedStream USB | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | SOHOware NUB100 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | SMC EZNET-USB 2202USB/ETH / SMC 2206USB/ETH | 0x0707 | 0x0100 0x0200 0x0201 | <!--Revision--> | {{unk|untested but should work very well }} |- | Surecom EP-1427X 100/10M | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | Target USB to 10/100M Fast Ethernet Converter | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Trendnet TU-ET100C | 0x07a6 | 0x8511 | <!--Revision-->0x0 | {{yes| sometimes works well, very stable}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Opinion |- | <!--Description-->Digitus USB NIC DN-3016-A | 0x07a6 | 0x8513 | 1.01 | {{unk|untested new chipset }} |- | Digitus lanusb ADM8515 | 0x07a6 | 0x8515 | 1.01 | {{unk|untested because new chipset }} |- | VE285 usblan ADMtek 8515 | 0x07a6 | 0x8515 | 1.01 | {{no|not working as new chipset }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- |} Davicom DM9601 eth (USB 1.1 and up to 10Mbit/s) {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="50%" |Opinion |- | Davicom USB-100 see clone below | 0x0a46 | 0x9601 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2001 }} |- | [http://wiki.maemo.org/USB_to_ethernet_networking chinese translucent transparent crystal blue] but variants are also found in clear, white and black. Just over 6&nbsp;cm long. | 0x0a46 | 0x9601 | 0x0 | {{yes|2002 success can be sporadic so technically okay, but lacking in reliability. Out of 4 tested by me, only 2 worked. One case cracked open. }} |- | Corega FEther USB-TXC | 0x07aa | 0x9601 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | Dynamode USB-NIC-1427-100 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | Hirose USB-100 | 0x0a47 | 0x9601 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | KY-RS9600 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{yes|[http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=585358&postcount=12 works] }} |- | ShanTou ST268 USB NIC | 0x0a46 | 0x0268 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | ZT6688 USB NIC | 0x0a46 | 0x6688 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->ICS Advent DM9601 USB 2.0 10/100M Ethenet Adaptor JP1081B | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0FE6 | <!--Product ID-->0x9700 | <!--Revision-->0101 | <!--Opinion-->{{No|only USB 1.1 10M ethernet support but will plug into an usb 2.0 port}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} MosChip MCS7830 (USB 2) {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="50%" |Opinion |- | Digitus DN-10050 | 0x9710 | 0x7830 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2004 }} |- | Edimax [http://www.edimax.co.uk/images/Image/datasheet/USB/EU-4206/EU-4206.pdf EU-4206] | | | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2005 }} |- | Speed Dragon | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | STLabs | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | StarTech Compact USB2105S [http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_6790.html USB2106S] | 0x9710 | 0x7830 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2007 }} |- | Sunrich Technologies [http://www.st-lab.com/admin/upfile/UploadFile/manual/manual(u-250).zip U-250] | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2006 }} |- | Syba | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Opinion |- | <!--Description-->MCS 7832 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|2008 }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} * USB2 [https://www.asix.com.tw/en/product/USBEthernet Asix Ethernet] AX88178A, AX88772C, AX88772B, AX88772A (wii), AX88172A * USB3 AX88179A, AX88179 {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="50%" |Opinion |- | AirLink101 AGIGAUSB | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2009 AX88172}} |- | ATEN UC210T | 0x0557 | 0x2009 | 0x | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| AX88172}} |- | <!--Description-->Billionton Systems USB2AR | <!--Vendor ID-->0x08dd | <!--Product ID-->0x90ff | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No| }} |- | <!--Description-->Buffalo LUA-U2-KTX | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0411 | <!--Product ID-->0x003d | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No| }} |- | <!--Description-->corega FEther USB2-TX | <!--Vendor ID-->0x07aa | <!--Product ID-->0x0017 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no| }} |- | D-Link DUB-E100 up to rev A4 | 0x2001 | 0x1a00 | | <!--Opinion-->{{No| }} |- | <!--Description-->D-Link DUB-E100 rev B1 onwards | 0x07d1 or 0x2001 | 0x3c05 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{Maybe|AX88172 works on Deneb with [http://amigax.com/2010/02/21/usb-ethernet-speed-test-amigaos-4-0-classic/ Amiga OS4 Classic] and [http://www.a1k.org/forum/showthread.php?t=11432 on a1k] }} |- | <!--Description-->goodway corp USB gwusb2e | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1631 | <!--Product ID-->0x6200 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Hawking UF200 | 0x07b8 | 0x420a | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->[Linksys USB200M] | 0x077b | 0x2226 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{yes|[http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=585601&postcount=20 works] }} |- | <!--Description-->Netgear FA120 | 0x0846 | 0x1040 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested 2002 10/100 Rev.B1" is silkscreened on the board of the device populating this entry (S/N: FA12254CB100409, date code 0508). This device may be manuf. by [http://www.cameo.com.tw/ Cameo] "AX88172 L", "F05040157", and "ED3" Chip1 ASIX AX88172 Chip2 Realtek RTL8201BL}} |- | <!--Description-->Intellinet | 0x0b95 | 0x1720 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->JVC MP-PRX1 Port Replicator | <!--Vendor ID-->0x04f1 | <!--Product ID-->0x3008 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->ST Lab USB Ethernet | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0b95 | <!--Product ID-->0x1720 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Sitecom LN-029 "USB 2.0 10/100 Ethernet adapter" | <!--Vendor ID-->0x6189 | <!--Product ID-->0x182d | <!--Revision-->0 | <!--Opinion-->{{No| }} |- | <!--Description-->Surecom EP-1427X-2 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1189 | <!--Product ID-->0x0893 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No| }} |- | <!--Description-->TrendNet TU2-ET100 v2 | 0x07b8 | 0x420a | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{Maybe|version 2}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Opinion |- | <!--Description-->A-LINK NA1GU | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| 88772}} |- | <!--Description-->AirLink101 ASOHOUSB Wii | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->AirLive EtherWe-1000U | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->APPLE AX88772 Model No. A1277 MC704LL/A P/N 825-7098-A | <!--Vendor ID-->0x05ac | <!--Product ID-->0x1402 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|2008 usb2, }} |- | <!--Description-->APPLE Model No. A1277 (MB442Z/A 0885909217434) MC704ZM/A PN 825-7579-A | <!--Vendor ID-->0x05ac | <!--Product ID-->0x1402 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{Maybe|2010 model, usb2 and controller AX88772 where prehaps 1in3 units working with owb - really poor odds i.e. a lottery, could be situation where various ethernet phy chipsets are used - press Use in network prefs after Save initial setup typing in usbasixeth.device, }} |- | <!--Description-->ASIX AX88772 bulbous casing | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0b95 | <!--Product ID-->0x7720 | <!--Revision-->0x0 | <!--Opinion-->{{maybe|2008 works on 32bit and 64bit though setup can take a few attempts but may have issues with phy ethernet chip changing, }} |- | <!--Description-->Datel Wii Lan Adapter DUS0204 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2007 }} |- | <!--Description-->EdiMax EU-4207 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2008 }} |- | <!--Description-->Goodway HE2230 Maplin ASIX 88772 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2008 }} |- | <!--Description-->Intec LAN G5626 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2008 }} |- | <!--Description-->LevelOne USB-0202 | 0x0b95 | <!--Product ID-->0x07720 | <!--Revision-->0x | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2008 }} |- | <!--Description-->LevelOne USB-0301 | 0x0b95 | <!--Product ID-->0x07720 | <!--Revision-->0x | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2009 }} |- | <!--Description-->Linksys USB200M Rev 2 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x13b1 | <!--Product ID-->0x0018 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{maybe|2008 sparsely randomly working AX88772 or with "Sana-II Meter Tool 37.11" network monitoring program, showing continuous "Bad Packet" errors which could means "CRC" errors}} |- | <!--Description-->Linksys USB300M | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{maybe|2009 AX88772 }} |- | <!--Description-->Mayflash W001 or clones Lupo/PEGA S-Wii-0680 light gray rectangular with third of one top 45 degree angled slope | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0b95 | <!--Product ID-->0x7720 | <!--Revision-->0x0 | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| may have randomly changed phy ethernet chips, }} |- | <!--Description-->Max Value MVF00446 ASIN B006EG568A | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0b95 | <!--Product ID-->0x7720 | <!--Revision-->0x0 | <!--Opinion-->{{Maybe|Trident prefs recognises as AX88772 sometimes works on 32bit and 64bit}} |- | <!--Description-->NEWLink N14050 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->NEWLink Wii-ETH USB2.0 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Nintendo Wii LAN Adaptor 2110566 and clones | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0b95 | <!--Product ID-->0x07720 | <!--Revision-->0x | <!--Opinion-->{{Maybe|Poseidon recognises as AX88772 with usbasixeth.device sometimes works seems different ethernet phy chips can be matched affecting compatibility}} |- | <!--Description-->Nyko Wii Net Connect 87024 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{yes|[http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=585624&postcount=22 works] }} |- | <!--Description-->0Q0 cable ethernet | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1557 | <!--Product ID-->0x7720 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Plugable USB2-E100 (2009/2010) Bulbous housing | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0b95 | <!--Product ID-->0x7720 | <!--Revision-->0x0 | <!--Opinion-->{{Maybe|Trident prefs recognises it as ax88772A and typing in usbasixeth.device sometimes works}} |- | <!--Description-->Sabrent KINAMAX | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->SpeedLink SL-3401-SGY | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->TrendNet TU2-ET100 v3 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->UGreen 20254 USB2 to 10/100 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| AX88772}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Opinion |- | <!--Description-->Afunta Apple-style White USB2.0 I/O Crest SY-ADA24005 ASIX Electronics Corp. AX88772A Fast Ethernet Adapter | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0b95 | <!--Product ID-->0x772a | <!--Revision-->0x | <!--Opinion-->{{no|usbasixeth.device accepted by network prefs but does not work}} |- | <!--Description-->Amazon Basics USB 2.0 AX88772A | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Digitus DN-10050-1 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0b95 | <!--Product ID-->0x772a | <!--Revision-->0x0 | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Edimax EU-4230 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0b95 | <!--Product ID-->0x772a | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Sabrent KINAMAX NT-USB20 AX88772A | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Opinion |- | <!--Description--> AX88772B USB 2.0 to 10/100M | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0B95 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2010 }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0B95 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->EdiMax EU-4208 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0B95 | <!--Product ID-->0x772b | <!--Revision-->0x | <!--Opinion-->{{No|Detected but not working}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0B95 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->StarTech USB2100 ASIX AX88772C | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0B95 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0B95 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->[https://www.asix.com.tw/en/product/USBEthernet/High-Speed_USB_Ethernet/AX88772D AX88772D] | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0B95 | <!--Product ID-->0x1790 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2011 }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0B95 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->[https://www.asix.com.tw/en/product/USBEthernet/High-Speed_USB_Ethernet/AX88772E AX88772E] | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0B95 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2012 }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0B95 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Opinion |- | <!--Description-->AX88178 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|2004 }} |- | <!--Description-->Plugable USB2-E1000 i.e. USB 2.0 to Gigabit Ethernet 10/100/1000 LAN | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2011 ASIX AX88178 Controller and Realtek RTL8211CL PHY}} |- | <!--Description-->AX88178A USB 2.0 to 10/100/1000M Gigabit Ethernet controller | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|2005 }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Opinion |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->AmazonBasics USB3.0 adapter [https://github.com/nothingstopsme/AX88179_178A_Linux_Driver AX88179] | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Cable Matters SuperSpeed USB 3.0 RJ45 adapter | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Hori Nintendo Switch 1 USB3 ethernet AX88179 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0b95 | <!--Product ID-->0x1790 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|2017 AX88179 not binding to asixeth.class }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Plugable USB3-E1000 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0b95 | <!--Product ID-->0x1790 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|2020 ASIX AX88179 not binding to class, USB 3.2 Gen1 to Gigabit Ethernet controller with integrated 10/100/1000Mbps Gigabit Ethernet PHY}} |- | <!--Description-->Plugable AX88179 = [https://plugable.com/products/usb3-e1000-deal USB3-E1000] before mid-2023 or USB3-E1000; AX88179A = USBC-E1000 after mid-2023 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2022 controller is AX88179 phy is ??, }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->StarTech USB31000SPTW ax88179 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0b95 | <!--Product ID-->0x1790 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no| AX88179 not binding to asixeth.class, }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->StarTech USB31000NDS AX88179 USB-A | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->StarTech US1GC301AU AX88179 USB-c | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->StarTech US1GC30B2 AX88179A USB-c | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->StarTech USB32000SPT AX88179A USB-c Rev 1 (AX88179) Rev 2 (AX88179A) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->USB32000SPT the Lot code sticker will have a bar code accompanied by a 10 digit number. The 5th and 6th digits of this lot code number would signify the revision. (Ex. xxxx02xxxx which would indicate rev. 2) |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->SYBA SY-ADA24029 Gigabit AX88179 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No| }} may depend on the PHY chip connected to the controller chipset |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->TP-Link UE306 AX88179 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->TeckNet® Orico UL677G 10/100 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->TeckNet® UL688G USB 3.0 10/100/1000 Base-T Ethernet port | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->AX88179 178A |- | <!--Description-->Tecknet UL699G | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->TrendNet TU2-ET100 v6 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x07b8 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|no support }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->uGreen 50922 USB3-A to 100/1000 dark grey rounded barrels | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0b95 | <!--Product ID-->0x | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no| ax88179 not binding to asixeth.class, }} |- | <!--Description-->UGreen USB3-C to 100/1000 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0b95 | <!--Product ID-->0x1790 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->uGreen CR111 20256 usb3 a black plastic | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| AX88179}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Opinion |- | <!--Description--> AX88179A | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Plugable USB3-E1000 USBC-E1000 after mid-2023 i.e. AX88179A | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->StarTech USB31000SPTB | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0b95 | <!--Product ID-->0x1790 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| AX88179A USB-A, }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Opinion |- | <!--Description--> AX88179B | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |} ==USB &rarr; SerialPort Converter== *2002 some support for early revisions of PL2303 *2005 Prolific PL2303H PL-2303X and Pl-2303HX (same usb ids as pl2303) no support *2025 FTDI 232R [https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1135&highlight=232r&rowstart=20 work in progress] *2026 CDC-ACM i.e. Serial port over USB standard serialpl2303.class make sure you specify serialpl2303.device or Echo "Test" >SER1: {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="50%" |Opinion |- | ATEN UC-232A | 0x0557 | 0x2008 | Full 0x0300 | {{N/A|untested}} |- | IOGear GUC232A | 0x0557 | 0x2008 | Full 0x0110 | {{N/A|untested}} |- | Alcatel | 0x11f7 | 0x02df | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | BAFO BF-810 | 0x067B | 0x2303 | 0x0 | {{N/A|untested}} |- | Belkin F5U103 | 0x | 0x | 0x0 | {{N/A|untested}} |- | Davibe SP611 | 0x067B | 0x2303 | 0x0 | {{N/A|untested}} |- | Dcu10 | 0x0731 | 0x0528 | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | Elcom | 0x056e | 0x5003 | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | IOData | 0x04bb | 0x0a03 | 0x0 | {{N/A|untested}} |- | Itegno | 0x0eba | 0x1080 | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | Nokia CA42 | | | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | Radioshack | 0x1453 | 0x4026 | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | Ratoc | 0x0584 | 0xb000 | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | Samsung | 0x04e8 | 0x8001 | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | Siemens DCA-510 | 0x067B | 0x2303 | 0x0 | {{N/A|untested}} |- | Sitecom CN104 | 0x6189 | 0x2068 | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | Sitecom CN116 | 0x6189 | 0x2068 | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | Some Cut Ma620 | 0x0df7 | 0x0620 | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | Speed Dragon Multimedia MS3303H | | | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | Syntech | | | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->Tripp | 0x2478 | 0x2008 | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Opinion |- | <!--Description-->Airlink101 AC-USBS | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no driver }} |- | <!--Description-->Belkin F5U103v | 0x067B | 0x2303 | 0x0 | {{no|no driver }} |- | Dynamode U232-P9 | 0x067B | 0x2303 | 300 | {{no| no driver [http://koti.mbnet.fi/lonnberg/pl2303x.html linux patch] and using lsusb -v -d 067b:2303 gave bMaxPacketSize as 64 - pl2303x }} |- | Konig CABLE-146/2 USB to RS232 | 0x067b | 0x2303 | 400 | {{no|no driver }} |- | MANHATTAN 205146 USB to Serial Converter | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no driver }} |- | Sabrent SBT-USC1M | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no driver }} |- | <!--Description-->Trendnet TU-59 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no driver }} |- | <!--Description-->Unbranded black case and lead USB 232 Converter | <!--Vendor ID-->0x067B | <!--Product ID-->0x2303 | <!--Revision-->0300 | <!--Opinion-->{{No| }} |- |} [http://www.ftdichip.com/index.html Future Technology Devices International Ltd FTDI]-FT232R.class [https://ftdichip.com/software-examples/code-examples/c-builder/ FTProg src], [http://rtr.ca/ft232r/ ft232r src], [https://ftdichip.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/DS_FT232R.pdf FT232R datasheet], [], {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="50%" |Opinion |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no driver}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0403 | <!--Product ID-->0x6001 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no driver}} [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GE-gKgHxZI beware of cheap clones fake with s/n A50285BI SN] |- | <!--Description-->Lynx Astro FTDI | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0403 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no driver}} FT232R |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no driver}} |- | <!--Description-->Sabrent CB-FTDI | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0403 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | {{no|no driver TTL-232R cables use FTDI's [http://n1mm.hamdocs.com/tiki-index.php?page=USB+Interface+Devices FT232RQ ic device] }} |- | <!--Description-->Startech.com 1 Port FTDI USB to Serial RS232 DB9M Adapter Cable with COM Retention ICUSB2321F | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0403 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no driver}} FT232RL Chipset |- | <!--Description-->StarTech.com 2 Port FTDI USB to Serial RS232 Adapter Cable ICUSB2322F | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0403 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no driver}} FTDI FT2232D Chipset |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Opinion |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no driver}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no driver}} FT232RL is the SSOP-28 and the FT232RQ is the QFN-32 package option |} [https://www.onetransistor.eu/2017/08/ch341a-mini-programmer-schematic.html ch341a.class] *I2C EEPROMS (3.3V and 5V) compatible and also SPI FLASH memories (3.3V devices) making sure 1.8V is covered *each having their own [https://winraid.level1techs.com/t/guide-how-to-use-a-ch341a-spi-programmer-flasher-with-pictures/33041 4x2 connection blocks] using [https://github.com/flashrom/flashrom flashrom] sudo flashrom --programmer ch341a_spi -r backup.bin sudo flashrom --programmer ch341a_spi -w <new bios name> {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="50%" |Opinion |- | <!--Description-->Jiangsu QinHeng Ltd CH341A emulate UART communication, standard parallel port, memory parallel port and synchronous serial (I2C, SPI) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1A86 | <!--Product ID-->0x5512 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no driver}} |- | <!--Description-->QinHeng USB2.0-Serial HL-340 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1A86 | <!--Product ID-->0x7523 | <!--Revision-->0252 | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no driver}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no driver}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no driver}} |} ==simplemidi.class and CAMD== Currently support includes * simplemidi.class SimpleMidi maps some keyboard keys to corresponding computer keys as used by music trackers to emulate a musical keyboard * camdusbmidi.class follows the rules of the m68k implementation of Commodore's CAMD midi specification and usb class compliant for * usb host like a computer * usb device controllers - keyboards, drum machines, djay turntables, grooveboxes, etc * interfaces - cables or boxes which convert usb to 5pin DIN plug midi What is needed is a fully class-compliant '''brand name''' USB MIDI keyboard, especially manufactured in the last 10 years are best *Arturia *Novation *M-Audio *Akai Plugging this in one of your USB ports, the camd.library will make the keyboard's MIDI IN/OUT ports available in the system. Then select the keyboard's MIDI IN port (known as a "cluster" in CAMD) for input, and the software instrument's cluster as output ShowCluster (shows midi ports available in and out) MidiWatch (usually port usbmidi.in.0 less often usbmidi.out.0) (Ctrl-C to end output stream) usbmidi.in.0 Message on channel 01, NoteOn 90 39 08 00 usbmidi.in.0 Message on channel 01, NoteOff 80 39 00 00 MidiThru (forwards messages from one port to another) run >nil: c:midithru usbmidi.out.0 usbmidi.out.2 MidiSendC (sends a middle C to a specific port) Midi Controller + Sound Module (together aka as a synth) -> Audio Output The difference between midi and midi over USB is that in old school Midi the transmitter transmits whenever it wants and the receiver always has to be prepared to receive data. Easy to do at the rate of a 1990's modem speed these days. USB over midi.. turns midi into a polled protocol.. So the USB host (typically the computer) has to ask "do you have anything for me" before the remote will send. If the USB host gets busy doing other things or there is a lot of things on the USB bus to get polled, you can get delays. For its age midi is still a great protocol for music * [https://www.usb.org/sites/default/files/midi10.pdf USBIF's "USB Device Class Definition for MIDI Devices" document, version 1.0 from Nov 1, 1999] * [https://www.usb.org/sites/default/files/USB%20MIDI%20v2_0.pdf MIDI v2.0 from 2020 which AROS still needs, adds support for MIDI 2.0, MIDI-CI, and Universal MIDI Packet] Nearly all synthesizers now use the 16 MIDI channels available on a MIDI bus in one instrument alone, requiring multiple MIDI busses in a typical setup with more than one MIDI instrument. In addition, by handling multiple "virtual" cables, USB offers a solution to go beyond MIDI's 16-channel limit. MIDI data is transferred over USB using 32-bit USB-MIDI Event Packets. These packets provide an efficient method to transfer multiple MIDI streams with fixed length messages. The 32-bit USB-MIDI Event Packet allows multiple "virtual MIDI cables" routed over the same USB endpoint. This approach minimizes the number of required endpoints. It also makes parsing MIDI events easier by packetizing the separate bytes of a MIDI event into one parsed USB-MIDI event. {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="25%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="5%" |Product ID ! width="5%" |Revision ! width="15%" |CAMD ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Description-->Computer | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD--> | <!--Opinion-->{{Yes|which acts as USB midi host to get all usb devices talking together}} |- | <!--Description-->Hobbytronics usb host standalone | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->bomebox | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->raspberry pi with several midi interface(s) and linux scripting | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->Kenton MIDI USB Host mk3 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |} {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="25%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="5%" |Product ID ! width="5%" |Revision ! width="15%" |CAMD ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Description-->Acorn Instruments Masterkey 49 device | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2018 untested usb powered 5V regulated - similar keybed to keystation 49es but unplug then re-plug the USB cable while it is powered the device might reconnect |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Opinion--> midi keyboard controller |- | <!--Description-->Akai SynthStation 25 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion-->2010 - sticky rubber keys - usb |- | <!--Description-->Akai MPK Mini Laptop Production Keyboard | <!--Vendor ID-->0x09e8 | <!--Product ID-->0x007c | <!--Revision-->0100 | <!--CAMD-->{{Yes|detected and camd usb to use, not tested with apps}} | <!--Opinion-->2010 25 mini key self powered by mini USB lead - sustain port - no top left corner joystick - tested icaros 2.3 - |- | <!--Description-->Akai LPK25 LPK37 LPK49 Laptop Production Keyboard | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested }} | <!--Opinion-->2012 untested velocity sensitive mini keys with synth action - weak mini USB port - latency issues - |- | <!--Description-->Akai Professional APC Key 25 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion-->2012 |- | <!--Description-->Akai MPK49 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| untested}} | <!--Opinion-->2012 untested 49 key 49-key full-sized, semi-weighted keyboard with aftertouch - |- | <!--Description-->AKAI Max25 MAX49 control keyboard | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested }} | <!--Opinion-->2014 usb compliant |- | <!--Description-->Akai Professional MPK249 MPK261 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion-->2015 USB2 USB-b - full keys semi-weighted aftertouch - midi in out - sustain and peddle port |- | <!--Description-->Akai Professional Advance 49 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion-->2016 |- | <!--Description-->Akai MPK Mini MKII MK2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| untested}} | <!--Opinion-->2017 untested USB2 USB-b midi connection only - 4 way thumb joystick top left - 25 tiny keys - velocity drum pads - plastic build quality - |- | <!--Description-->AKAI Professional APC Key 25 MK2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| driver}} | <!--Opinion-->2017 |- | <!--Description-->Akai MPK Mini Play | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2021 untested USB2 USB-b midi connection only - synth basic samples - class compliant? - small led display top centre - 25 mini keys - press and hold the "Prog Select" button then use the "Program" knob to assign a MIDI channel - |- | <!--Description-->Akai MPK Mini 3 MKIII MK3 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x09E8 | <!--Product ID-->0x1049 | <!--Revision-->0200 | <!--CAMD-->{{Yes|detected audio class and bindings with camdusbmidi.class - - midi in out untested - }} | <!--Opinion-->2021 USB2 USB-b midi controller connection no 5pin legacy - small led display top centre - 25 mini keys goofy uneven feel of the akai keyboards - press and hold the "Prog Select" button and press pad 1 to 8 to assign a MIDI channel - tested on AROS One 2.4 usb |- | <!--Description-->Akai Force / MPC One | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Akai Pro MPK Mini Plus | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Opinion-->2023 untested 37 mini keys - class compliant device - usb-b bus powered only with 5pin midi in and out - Shift and Global for Midi Ch - |- | <!--Description-->Akai Pro Ableton Push Mk 1 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Akai Professional MPC Key 37 49 61 midi controller | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| untested}} | <!--Opinion-->2023 untested USB2 usb-b |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | CAMD | Opinion |- | <!--Description-->Alesis Photon PH-25 X25 Midi & USB keyboard/synth | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion-->2005 midi keyboard controller |- | <!--Description-->Alesis Q25 Q49 Q61 Q88 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Opinion-->2014 untested |- | <!--Description-->Alesis Coda Pro Portable 88-Key Digital Piano USB MIDI Keyboard | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion-->2015 |- | <!--Description-->Alesis V25 V49 V61 midi controller | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| untested}} | <!--Opinion-->2017 |- | <!--Description-->Alesis V Mini | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Alesis VI49 VI61 midi controller | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Alesis VX49 VX61 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion-->2016 1 5-pin MIDI input, 1 5-pin MIDI output, 1 USB port, |- | <!--Description-->Alesis Q25 Q49 Q61 Mk2 MKII | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion-->2018 |- | <!--Description-->Alesis Recital 88 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion-->2020 |- | <!--Description-->Alesis V25 V49 V61 MK2 MKII | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2022 |- | <!--Description-->Alesis Qmini portable 32-key | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion-->2023 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->audiothingies MicroMonsta | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2016 untested synth - |- | <!--Description-->audiothingies MicroMonsta 2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2019 synth - |- | <!--Description-->Arturia Analog Experience “The Player” USB MIDI Master Keyboard Model APE25 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1C75 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion-->2010 usb-b bus powered - |- | <!--Description-->Arturia MiniLab Mk1 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1C75 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion-->2013 maybe class complaint |- | <!--Description-->Arturia MiniLab MkII Mk2 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1C75 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion-->2016 maybe class complaint |- | <!--Description-->Arturia Keystep 32 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1C75 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Opinion-->2016 untested 32 mini keys usb compliant |- | <!--Description-->Arturia KeyLab 61 88 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1C75 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Opinion-->2017 untested hammer-action Fatar keybed - reset Press and hold Oct + and Oct – buttons then insert the USB cable - |- | <!--Description-->Arturia MiniLab mkII | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1C75 | <!--Product ID-->0x2209 | <!--Revision-->0100 | <!--CAMD-->{{Yes|detected audio class and bindings with camdusbmidi.class - - midi in out untested - }} | <!--Opinion-->2017 USB2 usb-b bus power - metal base heavier than most - Shift and press a key to select the MIDI Channel - To reset to original factory, unplug the USB cable, hold down the Oct- and Oct + buttons, plug the USB cable back in and continue to hold the buttons until the pads turn white - need software to change parameters like velocity sensitive assistance - |- | <!--Description-->Arturia KeyLab MK2 MKII 61 88 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1C75 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested }} | <!--Opinion-->2017 untested hammer-action Fatar keybed |- | <!--Description-->Arturia MicroFreak | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1C75 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion-->2019 hybrid digital/analog synthesis, |- | <!--Description-->[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeYIAfn3UMs Arturia Minilab 3] [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/chj1WgMupGw ] [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FMVdfhzg1Dw ] | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1C75 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| untested}} | <!--Opinion-->2020 untested usb-c bus powered - 25 mini keys semi - |- | <!--Description-->Arturia Keystep Pro | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1C75 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion-->2020 |- | <!--Description-->Arturia MiniLab 3 Mk3 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1C75 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion-->2022 maybe class complaint |- | <!--Description-->Arturia MiniFreak | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1C75 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion-->2022 |- | <!--Description-->Arturia KeyLab Essential 49 61 88 mk3 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1C75 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2023 untested usb-c and 1 midi out - lack of aftertouch - |- | <!--Description-->Arturia AstroLab | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1C75 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2024 |- | <!--Description-->Arturia KeyLab MK3 MKIII 61 88 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1C75 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2025 untested hammer-action Fatar keybed |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Behringer UMX61 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{maybe|untested}} | <!--Opinion-->2007 |- | <!--Description-->Behringer U-Control UMX490 UMX610 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion-->2010 |- | <!--Description-->Behringer U-Control | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Behringer Swing 32-Key | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Behringer MOTOR 49 - 49-Key USB/MIDI Master Controller Keyboard | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | CAMD | Opinion |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion--> midi keyboard controller |- | <!--Description-->Creative EMU Xboard 25 E-MU X-Board 49 61 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No|untested}} | <!--Opinion-->2008 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->CME M-Key Mkey 49 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion-->2008 stops sending MIDI on a regular basis. The simplest "fix" is to flip it off and on via the power switch at the back |- | <!--Description-->CME Ukey U-Key | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion-->2009 |- | <!--Description-->CME Xkey | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion-->2014 low-profile aluminium full size pressure sensitive with polyphonic aftertouch but keys make too much noise and that they can be too sensitive to velocity - low power draw 25ma |- | <!--Description-->CME M-Key 49 V2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion-->2014 simplified version of the U-key Mobiltone |- | <!--Description-->CME XKEY AIR 37 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion-->2019 |- | <!--Description-->cme xkey 37 le | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion-->2020 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{ | }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Donner Spaceline DMK-25 Donnerdeal Rantion | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Donner DMK25 PRO | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion--> 25 mini velocity keys with limited aftertouch - usb-c powered - 8 drum pads - 3.5mm "midi out" socket - |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{ | }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Elektron Digitakt | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2015 expensive later midi usb class compliant with since 1.5 Update |- | <!--Description-->Elecktron Digitone | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Elektron Digitone Keys 37-key Digital FM Synthesizer | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion-->2018 expensive |- | <!--Description-->Elektron Analog Four MKII | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Elektron Octatrak MKII | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{ | }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->ESI keycontrol | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->ESI keycontrol 49+ | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->ESI keycontrol 25xt | <!--Vendor ID-->0x2702 | <!--Product ID-->0x2702 | <!--Revision-->0100 | <!--CAMD-->{{Yes|detected and usb driver working}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 bus powered or 12v 0.5a dc in - metal base so heavy - midi out 5pin - sustain pedal port - modulation slider - rubber coated knobs becomes sticky - |- | <!--Description-->ESI keycontrol 49xt 61xt 88xt | <!--Vendor ID-->0x2702 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision-->0100 | <!--CAMD-->{{Yes|detected}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 12v 0.5a center pin +ve external psu required - USB i/o and 1 legacy 5pin out - full sized keys - heavy aluminium case keyboard metal base - |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Evolution MK-125 MK-149 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->2000 9v |- | <!--Description-->Evolution MK-225C MK-249C | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->2003 9v |- | <!--Description-->Evolution USB/Midi Controller MK-425C MK-449C MK-461C | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No|25, 49, 61 keys - }} | <!--Opinion-->2006 9V or 12V - |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> midi keyboard controller |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | CAMD | Opinion |- | <!--Description-->IK Multimedia iRig Keys Pro | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion-->2014 37 full keys |- | <!--Description-->IK Multimedia iRig Keys Pro Mobile | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion-->2014 25 or 37 mini keys |- | <!--Description-->IK Multimedia iRig Keys 2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion-->2020 mini velocity keys no aftertouch - |- | <!--Description-->IK Multimedia iRig Keys 2 PRO | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion-->2020 full velocity keys no aftertouch - |- | <!--Description-->IK Multimedia iRig Keys | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Kawai VPC 1 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion--> weighted keys - heavy build - |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Keith McMillen Instruments K-Board | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion--> omni class compliant to all channels? each keypad makes them velocity, pressure, and location sensitive but not really suited for piano playing |- | <!--Description-->Keith McMillen BopPad | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion--> omni class compliant to all channels? |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Korg NanoKontrol 1 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->mini usb |- | <!--Description-->Korg Prophecy | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->KORG microKONTROL | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{no| }} | <!--Opinion-->2010 |- | <!--Description-->Korg microKEY | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| untested}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 velocity-sensitive Natural Touch keys but joystick is an alternative to the common pitch/modulation wheel design - power draw - |- | <!--Description-->Korg nanoKey nanoPad | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 |- | <!--Description-->Korg Taktile | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Korg microKEY2 25 37 49 61 USB | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|2015 untested}} | <!--Opinion-->2015 USB powered - semi weighted - |- | <!--Description-->Korg MiniList | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Korg MinKey nanoPad nanoPad 2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Korg Nautilus | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2024 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> midi keyboard controller |- | <!--Description-->Kurzweil PC3 7 series - Artis 7 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion-->fatar TP-8 semi-weighted action |- | <!--Description-->Kurzweil PC1 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Kurzweil PC3 A8 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Line 6 Mobile keys 25 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->2006 |- | <!--Description-->Line 6 POD Studio KB37 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->2006 |- | <!--Description-->Line 6 Tone Port KB37 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->2007 |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | CAMD | Opinion |- | <!--Description-->Midiman (later M-Audio) Oxygen8 Ozone Ozonic 25 32 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{no|not class compliant - untested 5pin legacy }} | <!--Opinion-->2002 2004 untested - 25 full keys - slider/fader to left of lcd display - |- | <!--Description-->m-audio oxygen keystation (61 key) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{no| }} | <!--Opinion-->2004 |- | <!--Description-->M-Audio eKeys 37 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{no| }} | <!--Opinion-->2005 |- | <!--Description-->M-Audio Axiom 25, 49, 61 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->2006 bus powered and 12v psu - if sliders/faders are on right - legacy midi 5pin - chunky unit - |- | <!--Description-->M-Audio Oxygen 8v2, 49, 61 (silver) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{no| }} | <!--Opinion-->2006 full size velocity sensitive 12v psu - sending random pitchbend info - |- | <!--Description-->M-Audio Keystation 37e 49e, 61e MK1 MKI | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2006 - ok key action - |- | <!--Description-->M-Audio Keystation 37es 49se 61es, 88es MK1 MKI | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2008 - |- | <!--Description-->M-Audio Oxygen 25/49/61/88 (blue) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2008 [https://m-audio.com/products/view/oxygen-25-legacy advised Class-compliant and GM/GM2/XG SysEx messages] with full size velocity sensitive 12v psu - sending random pitchbend info - |- | <!--Description-->M-Audio Axiom 25, 49, 61 (2nd Gen) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2010 semi-weighted mini keys - bus powered and 9v psu for 25/49 and 12v for 61 - if sliders/faders are on left - legacy midi 5pin - chunky unit - |- | <!--Description-->M-Audio Axiom Pro 25, 49, 61 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2011 poor construction |- | <!--Description-->MAudio Axiom AIR 25 M-Audio Axiom Air Mini 32 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2012 |- | <!--Description-->M-Audio Oxygen 25 III (3rd Gen) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2012 untested - usb only - rubber keys sticky - |- | <!--Description-->MAudio Keyrig 49 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->M-Audio Keystation Mini 32 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion-->2012 - mini usb - plays a few notes and then stops responding randomly - try plugging it into port 1 or 2 on your pc - |- | <!--Description-->M-Audio Keystation 49 MK2 II | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion-->2012 USB port and class compliant |- | <!--Description-->M-Audio Keystation 61 MK3 MKIII MIDI keyboard | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion-->2015 usb compliant untested |- | <!--Description-->M-Audio Oxygen 25 IV | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| untested}} | <!--Opinion-->2016 choice |- | <!--Description-->M-Audio CTRL-49 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion-->2017 |- | <!--Description-->M-Audio ProKeys 88, 88sx | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->M-Audio Keystation Mini 32 MK3 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion-->2019 mini usb - some power or incompatibility issue with the native USB ports of the laptop, plugged in a passive USB 2.0 HUB (not USB 3.0, not powered) |- | <!--Description-->[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3328SvuJsLw M-Audio Oxygen25 MKV] | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0763 | <!--Product ID-->0x0001 | <!--Revision-->0023 | <!--CAMD-->{{Yes|detected audio class and bindings with camdusbmidi.class - midi in out untested}} | <!--Opinion-->2020 25 full size semi keys - USB2 usb-b but no 5pin classic plugs - channel select SHIFT button and CHANNEL on keybed - plastic build - holding down both the Octave + and - for factory reset - more limited in what you can do with it than IV 4th one - tested on AROS One 2.4 usb |- | <!--Description-->M-Audio Oxygen Pro 25 49 61 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2022 untested semi full keys |- | <!--Description-->M-Audio Oxygen Pro Mini | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2023 untested - 32 smaller keys - not endless encoders - usb only - |- | <!--Description-->M-Audio Hammer 88 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Moog | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Moog Minitaur | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->M-VAVE SMK-25mini 25key MIDI Control Keyboard Y6I0 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Native Instruments NI Primus A25 JamMate | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{no| }} | <!--Opinion-->2008 not compliant, |- | <!--Description-->Native Instruments Maschine MK1 MKI | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->2009 not compliant uses snd-usb-caiaq module, |- | <!--Description-->Native Instruments Komplete Kontrol S88 S61 S49 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2012 - weighted keys - |- | <!--Description-->Native Instruments Maschine MK2 MKII | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2013 maybe compliant, |- | <!--Description-->Native Instruments Maschine Micro Mikro MK2 MKII | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2014 maybe? |- | <!--Description-->NI Komplete Kontrol S49 S61 S88 MkII MK2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2017 all MK2 MK3 power up the keyboard using USB, it will set the keyboards MIDI port to computer MIDI only without any option to set it to use the MIDI DIN, meaning you cannot connect the keyboard to hardware and power from USB, you MUST power with the power adapter and physically unplug from any USB connection - |- | <!--Description-->Native Instruments Komplete Kontrol A25 A49 A61 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2018 maybe compliant, |- | <!--Description-->[https://github.com/sikorak666/maschine-mikro-mk3-driver Native Instruments Maschine Micro Mikro Plus MK3 MKIII] | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2019 |- | <!--Description-->Native Instruments Komplete Kontrol M32 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2019 untested 32 smaller keys - no drum pads - USB only - |- | <!--Description-->NI Komplete Kontrol S49 S61 S88 MkIII MK3 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2023 |- | <!--Description-->NI | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2025 |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | CAMD | Opinion |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> midi keyboard controller |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Neusonik iBoard 4 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Nektar Impact LX25+ LX49+ LX61+ LX88+ SE | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2017 budget full-size velocity-sensitive synth-action keyboard - |- | <!--Description-->Nektar Impact GX49 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> USB port - |- | <!--Description-->Nektar Panorama P4 P6 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> USB & USB Micro B, 5-pin MIDI out, 2 x TRS inputs with 49 semi-weighted, velocity sensitive with aftertouch |- | <!--Description-->Nektar SE25 SE49 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> mini keys - micro usb bus powered - velocity and sustain button |- | <!--Description-->Nektar Panorama P6 61 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Nektar Panorama T6 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Nord Stage 3 midi controller | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> sysex |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Novation ReMote 25 49 61 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->2003 lhs XY touchpad and the joystick - |- | <!--Description-->Novation LaunchKey 25 49 61 88 Mk1 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{no| }} | <!--Opinion-->2005 not USB class compliant |- | <!--Description-->Novation 49 61 SL | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->2006 semi-weighted Fatar TP-8 or TP-9 keybed |- | <!--Description-->Novation ReMote 25SL 49SL 61SL soft label | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->2006 - two long top liquid-crystal display LCD strips - XY touchpad and the joystick - |- | <!--Description-->Novation ReMOTE 25LE | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1235 | <!--Product ID-->0x0004 | <!--Revision-->0001 | <!--CAMD-->{{Yes|detected, usb driver in devs/midi for camd to use}} | <!--Opinion-->2007 USB-b powered, 9v center pin positive or 6 MN1500 AA batteries - X/Y touchpad and the combined pitch and modulation joystick - no aftertouch but can use both the legacy MIDI OUT and USB port simultaneously |- | <!--Description-->Novation Nocturn 49 61 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{Unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2008 untested sending random pitchbend info |- | <!--Description-->Novation 49 61 SL MkII | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2009 semi-weighted Fatar TP-8 or TP-9 keybed |- | <!--Description-->Novation MiniNova | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion-->2013 |- | <!--Description-->Novation Impulse 25 49 61 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2012 velocity aftertouch‑sensitive semi-weighted keyboards and eight backlit pads - USB, 5-pin MIDI out - |- | <!--Description-->Novation Circuit Tracks / Rhythm | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2015 untested |- | <!--Description-->Novation LaunchKey 25 49 61 88 MK2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2015 USB class compliant - full keys - |- | <!--Description-->Novation Launchpad Mini MK2 MKII | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2016 untested 8x8 buttons with 16 backlit |- | <!--Description-->Novation LaunchKey Mini MK2 MKII | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2018 untested - 25 soft mini keys - 2 rotary wheels lhs - |- | <!--Description-->Novation LaunchKey 25 37 49 61 88 MK3 MKIII | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2020 USB class compliant choice - full keys - |- | <!--Description-->Novation LaunchKey Mini MK3 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2023 untested - 25 soft mini keys - 2 sliders lhs - |- | <!--Description-->Novation 61SL Mk3 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> midi keyboard controller |- | <!--Description-->Nymphes Dreadbox | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion--> 6 voice analog synth |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | CAMD | Opinion |- | <!--Description-->Oberheim MC 2000 EX | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2015 88 keys fully weighted - very heavy - |- | <!--Description-->PreSonus ATOM SQ Hybrid MIDI Keyboard/Pad | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->[https://polyend.com/tracker/ Polyend Tracker] | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Roland ED PC-300 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->2002 USB MIDI keyboard controller 49-key |- | <!--Description-->Roland EDIROL PCR-M30 PCR-M50 PCR-M80 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->2005 |- | <!--Description-->Roland Edirol PCR-30 PCR-50 PCR-80 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->2007 untested 32 key - |- | <!--Description-->Roland PC-50 PC-80 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->2007 |- | <!--Description-->Roland PCR-500 PCR-800 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2008 61 velocity-sensitive keys with aftertouch |- | <!--Description-->Roland A-88 a-49 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2013 USB port - weighted keys velocity no aftertouch - class compliant with press FUNCTION so it is lit. Press the key labelled "ADV.", Press the "+" button so it is lit - |- | <!--Description-->Roland PC-200 mkII | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2014 some had fatar keys |- | <!--Description-->Roland MC-707 Groovebox | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2015 |- | <!--Description-->Roland MC-101 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2015 untested |- | <!--Description-->Roland A-500 A500Pro | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2018 |- | <!--Description-->Roland A-300 A300Pro | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2018 |- | <!--Description-->Roland JUNO DS, FA, Fantom, JUPITER X / Xm | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2019 (be sure that USB driver is set to "Generic" - requires device rebooting) |- | <!--Description-->Roland A-88 a-49 MKii MK2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2020 expensive with USB-c port - hammer-action keyboard weighted keys - Class-compliant if USB-C enables bus power - MIDI 2.0 later - |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->ROLI Seaboard RISE 25 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> midi keyboard controller |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | CAMD | Opinion |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> midi keyboard controller |- | <!--Description-->Samson Graphite 49 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Samson Carbon 49 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Sequential TAKE 5 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Studiologic VMK-161 and VMK-161 Plus Organ version | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->TP-8O action is the unweighted, organ-style waterfall keybed - usb midi in out - 9v psu - |- | <!--Description-->Studiologic SL990XP midi controller | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Studiologic VMK176 Plus | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->USB and midi connectivity |- | <!--Description-->Studiologic SL880 midi controller | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Studiologic SL73 SL88 Studio midi controller | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> hammer-action Fatar TP semi-weighted keys |- | <!--Description-->Studiologic Numa Organ 2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> 73 key TP-8O action is the unweighted, organ-style waterfall keybed used in nearly all clonewheels |- | <!--Description-->Studiologic Numacompact 2/2x, Numa X Piano | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->SubZero CommandKey49 CommandKey25 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->SubZero SZ-MiniCommand Mini-Command USB | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->SubZero SPC61 MIDI Controller | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> bus powered - 5 octave |- | <!--Description-->SubZero ControlKey49S 49 Key Slim MIDI Controller Keyboard | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Synido TempoKey K25 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2023 25 mini keys - usb-c powered |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Worlde Panda | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> midi keyboard controller |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | CAMD | Opinion |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Yamaha KX8 KX49 KX61 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->2008 not compliant |- | <!--Description-->Yamaha CMC-PD | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->2010 |- | <!--Description-->Yamaha | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2011 not class compliant |- | <!--Description-->Yamaha P45B P-45 Digital Piano | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->2011 not compliant |- | <!--Description-->Yamaha P-115 midi controller | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2016 untested weighted keys - USB midi port |- | <!--Description-->Yamaha MX49 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2020 should compliant untested |- | <!--Description-->Yamaha Montage, CP73/88, YC, MODX | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> midi keyboard controller |- | <!--Description-->Yamaha PSR-E353, PSR-E443 PSR-S670, PSR-S770, PSR-S970, PSR-A3000, TYROS-5 NP-12, NP-32 DGX-650, DGX-660 P-105, P-115, P-255 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Yamaha MX49 II V2 Black Blue | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2023 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> midi keyboard controller |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | CAMD | Opinion |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->DJM V10 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion--> dj |- | <!--Description-->Native Instruments Kontrol DJ Pro midi controller | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> detected but untested |- | <!--Description-->Numark Mixtrack Pro II USB DJ Controller Djay | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->older generation pioneer DDJ-SX2 dj | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |} {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="20%" | Description ! width="10%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="10%" |CAMD ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Description-->Alyseum AL-22 AL22c | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> usb to 5pin midi interface |- | <!--Description-->Alyseum AL-88 Schneidersladen AL88c | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> usb to 5pin midi interface |- | <!--Description-->Alyseum U3-88c Midi Interface | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> no CopperLan support Midi network using a UTP Ethernet patch cable) |- | <!--Description-->Behringer BCF2000 midi interface | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->[http://www.behringer.com/EN/home.aspx Behringer] BCR2000 1in 2out | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Behringer B-CONTROL DEEJAY BCD3000 DJ Mixer | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Behringer UMD404 UMD202 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> usb to 5pin midi interface |- | <!--Description-->Creative EMU 0404/USB midi interface | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{no| }} | <!--Opinion-->2006 |- | <!--Description-->DigiDesign / Focusrite Command 8 Control Surface | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->2005 supports MIDI continuous controller (CC) and note data. SysEx dumping and loading is also supported |- | <!--Description-->Digidesign Digi 002 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->2006 firewire only |- | <!--Description-->Digidesign Digi 003 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->2009 firewire only |- | <!--Description-->emagic m4 2x4 AMT8 Unitor 8 Mk2 8x8 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x00d0 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision-->0x010 0x0103 | <!--CAMD-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->2000 offers MTS (Midi Time Stamping) - 12v 2a psu centre pos - usb mini with rs232 and rs422 serial ports - 16 channels (8-in / 8-out), this rack-mountable unit - |- | <!--Description-->Evolution U-Control UC-16 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No| detected}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Focusrite Saffire 6 USB 1.1 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Guillemot Maxi Studio ISIS Vintage Sound Card MIDI Audio Interface | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No|dedicated driver}} | <!--Opinion-->1998 |- | <!--Description-->[http://www.ucapps.de/mbhp_usb.html MidiBox] Hardware Platform USB Module | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{no| }} | <!--Opinion-->2001 |- | <!--Description-->Mackie Control Universal Pro XT with One Two Extenders | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{no| }} | <!--Opinion-->2008 not compliant, |- | <!--Description-->M-Audio Audiophile USB | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->2003 not compliant, |- | <!--Description-->M-Audio Midisport UNO old version | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->2004 not compliant, |- | <!--Description-->M-Audio MidiMan 1x1 midi interface | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->2004 [http://sourceforge.net/projects/linux-hotplug/ firmware update] |- | <!--Description-->M-Audio Midisport 2x2 yellowy green blue, green or silver chassis plastic box | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No|MIDISPORT 2x2 or 4x4 interfaces from previous production series (blue, green or silver chassis) are not class-compliant}} | <!--Opinion-->2004 |- | <!--Description-->MAudio Audiosport Quattro USB | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No|dedicated driver}} | <!--Opinion-->2004 not usb compliant as [http://usb-midi-fw.sourceforge.net/ firmware required and that is buggy], |- | <!--Description-->M-Audio UC-33 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{no| }} | <!--Opinion-->2004 not compliant, |- | <!--Description-->M-Audio Midisport 1x1 2x2 4x4 Anniversary Edition, black box | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2010 maybe class compliant, |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> usb to 5pin midi interface |- | <!--Description-->[http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=52920 Mark of the Unicorn Motu Fastlane] 2x2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No|[http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=560852&postcount=8 not working on OS4]}} | <!--Opinion--> not class compliant, |- | <!--Description-->Motu Micro Lite 1x1 and MOTU microlite 5x5 USB | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No|dedicated driver}} | <!--Opinion--> good unit but poor just plug in support and not class compliant - USB2 usb-b - |- | <!--Description-->Motu MIDI Express 128 8x8 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No|dedicated driver}} | <!--Opinion-->poor support serial port only - offers MTS (Midi Time Stamping) A serial port based MIDI interface or a USB interface without MTS will have a MIDI slop of up to 2ms on record and playback. MTS provides accuracy for record and playback to around .3ms - five times more accurate than serial or non-MTS." |- | <!--Description-->MOTU.com MIDI Express XT | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No|dedicated driver}} | <!--Opinion-->2008 for many USB should have octocoupled connection to reduce groundloop humm, usually the timing is off |- | <!--Description-->MOTU MIDI Timepiece AV | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No|dedicated driver}} | <!--Opinion--> not class compliant is one of the best multi-port MIDI interfaces ever made as USB model connects to the computer as an 8x16 interface |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Native Instruments GmbH Audio 8 DJ, 4 DJ, 2 DJ | <!--Vendor ID-->0x17CC | <!--Product ID-->0x | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{no|needs dedicated driver}} | <!--Opinion-->2006 not class compliant, |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> usb to 5pin midi interface |- | <!--Description-->Qcon | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> usb to 5pin midi interface |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> usb to 5pin midi interface |- | <!--Description-->Roland Edirol UA-100 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No|did not match to camdusbmidi.class USB audio midi with onboard DSP}} | <!--Opinion-->1998 |- | <!--Description-->Roland Corp Edirol UM-2 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0582 | <!--Product ID-->0x0005 | <!--Revision-->0200 | <!--CAMD-->{{no|is not bound via camdusbmidi.class }} | <!--Opinion-->1999 not bound to any midi class - 2x2 - tested Aros One USb 2.4 |- | <!--Description-->Roland Edirol UA-100G | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No|detected but not working}} | <!--Opinion-->1999 USB audio midi with onboard DSP |- | <!--Description-->Roland Edirol UM-880 8x8 midi interface | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0582 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No|detected but not working}} | <!--Opinion-->2000 under poseidon but could work with run >nil: c:midithru out.0 "EDIROL UM-880.out.2" |- | <!--Description-->Roland Edirol UM-1 blue plastic | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{Unk| bound??? via camdusbmidi.class - untested midi in out}} | <!--Opinion-->2000 UM-1 - 1-in/1-out (16 channels) |- | <!--Description-->Roland Edirol UM-1S | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No|not working}} | <!--Opinion-->2000 1-in/1-out (16 channels) |- | <!--Description-->Roland Edirol UM-2E | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No|not working}} | <!--Opinion-->2000 |- | <!--Description-->Roland Edirol UM550 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->2001 |- | <!--Description-->Roland Edirol UM-1X midi interface | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No|do not have the Advanced Driver Switch on them}} | <!--Opinion-->2001 |- | <!--Description-->Roland Edirol UM-1SX | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0582 | <!--Product ID-->0x0052 | <!--Revision-->0200 | <!--CAMD-->{{No|do not have the Advanced Driver Switch on them}} | <!--Opinion-->2003 |- | <!--Description-->Roland Edirol Cakewalk UM-2C - 2x2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->2003 |- | <!--Description-->Roland Edirol Cakewalk UM-1G 1x1 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->2004 |- | <!--Description-->Roland Edirol Cakewalk UM-2G 2x2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->2004 |- | <!--Description-->[https://github.com/spotify/linux/blob/master/sound/usb/usbquirks.h Roland Edirol UA20 UA-20] | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No|not working}} | <!--Opinion-->2004 |- | <!--Description-->Roland UM-1EX | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->2005 |- | <!--Description-->Roland Edirol UM-2EX 2x2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{no| }} | <!--Opinion-->2005 adds a second MIDI OUT |- | <!--Description-->Roland Cakewalk UM-3G - 3x3 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->2006 |- | <!--Description-->Roland Cakewalk ua-25excw 1x1 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No|detected but not working}} | <!--Opinion-->2009 not class compliant mode |- | <!--Description-->[https://alsa.opensrc.org/Edirol_UA-25EX Roland Edirol UA55 UA-55 Cakewalk UA25 EX] | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No|detected but not working}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 not usb compliant, |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> usb to 5pin midi interface |- | <!--Description-->Sonuus B2M Bass MIDI Interface | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> usb to 5pin midi interface |- | <!--Description-->Sonuus G2M | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> usb to 5pin midi interface |- | <!--Description-->Steinberg CMC Series | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> usb to 5pin midi interface |- | <!--Description-->Subzero SZ-MB44 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> usb to 5pin midi interface |- | <!--Description-->Swisssonic MIDI1x1 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->2012 AmigaOS there is no output at midichannel one and two but if play a midi file there is only output on some channels and if pressed stop the prog freezes or the whole system crashes |- | <!--Description-->Teac Tascam US-428 US-422 midi interface | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0644 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion--> 2000 not compatible |- | <!--Description-->Teac Tascam [http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.tascam.com/Products/US-224.html US-224] | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1604 | <!--Product ID-->0x8004 | <!--Revision-->0100 | <!--CAMD-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion--> 2002 does not bind to any class |- | <!--Description-->Teac Corp Tascam US-1x2 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0644 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->2002 |- | <!--Description-->Teac Tascam US-122 MKII midi interface | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0644 | <!--Product ID-->0x8021 | <!--Revision-->0100 | <!--CAMD-->{{No|not detected / binding to camdusbmidi.class on AROS 2.4 usb }} | <!--Opinion-->2004 detected but not working 2-in/2-out USB two XLR microphone preamps with phantom power for condenser microphones |- | <!--Description-->Teac Tascam US-200 US-400 US-600 US-800 US-1200 US-1800 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No|no driver}} | <!--Opinion-->2010 may not be totally usb compliant |- | <!--Description-->Yamaha UX-16 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No|no driver}} | <!--Opinion-->2010 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> usb to 5pin midi interface |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> usb to 5pin midi interface |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | CAMD | Opinion |- | <!--Description-->Akai EIE and Pro version midi interface | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 dc 6v power - 3 USB hubs, midi in out , |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> usb to 5pin midi interface |- | <!--Description-->Alesis I/O2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{no| }} | <!--Opinion-->2007 powered USB hub required, not compliant |- | <!--Description-->Alesis IO2 Express | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2010 usb compliant? |- | <!--Description-->Alesis IO4 Express | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2010 |- | <!--Description-->Behringer XTouch | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> psu needed |- | <!--Description-->Behringer X-Touch Compact | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2014 maybe usb compliant? |- | <!--Description-->Behringer X-Touch Mini | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2014 maybe usb compliant?, usb to 5pin midi interface |- | <!--Description-->Behringer U-Phoria UMD404HD UMD202HD | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2019 maybe class compliant - volume low, |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->CME U2 MIDI Pro 1x1 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> current model |- | Creative EMU XMIDI 1X1 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2008 early versions with sysex checksum errors |- | <!--Description-->Creative E-MU Xmidi 1x1 Tab (V3) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2010 tab version class compliant but report that when transferring 'System Exclusive' messages (SysEx) the unit could not handle the highest data rate leading to data corruption |- | Creative EMU XMIDI 2x2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2008 sysex errors |- | <!--Description-->Digidesign Mbox 2 Mini now Avid | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{no| }} | <!--Opinion-->2005 USB powered but not compliant |- | <!--Description-->Digidesign Mbox II Pro | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{no| }} | <!--Opinion-->2006 USB powered but not compliant |- | <!--Description-->Engl Z7 MIDI Interface (E660/E610/E360/E930) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> guitar? |- | <!--Description-->Elektron TurboMidi TM-1 1in 1out | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->ESI MidiTerminal M4U 4x4 midi interface | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->supposedly class compliant - USB bus powered - |- | <!--Description-->ESI MidiTerminal M8U 8x8 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->ESI MidiTerminal M4U XL 4x4 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> ploytec chipset |- | <!--Description-->ESI MidiTerminal M8U XL 8x8 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> no hardware routing e.g. x on input 5 to synth y on output 7 - ploytec chipset |- | <!--Description-->ESI MidiMate 1x1 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> supposedly class compliant - USB bus powered |- | <!--Description-->ESI MidiMate II 2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->ESI ROM I/O | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2005 romio version |- | <!--Description-->ESI M4U XT | <!--Vendor ID-->0x2573 | <!--Product ID-->0x0002 | <!--Revision-->0100 | <!--CAMD-->{{Maybe|is bound via camdusbmidi.class AROS One 2.4 - untested midi in out}} | <!--Opinion-->2010 - |- | <!--Description-->ESI M8U XT 8in 8out | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2010 discontinued 2018 |- | <!--Description-->ESI M8UEX USB3.0 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2018 current model |- | <!--Description-->ESI M4U eX | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2018 current model |- | <!--Description-->ESI MidiMate eX midi interface 1x1 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2016 curent model, well liked and might class compliant?? |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> usb to 5pin midi interface |- | <!--Description-->icon midiport 2x2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> usb to 5pin midi interface |- | <!--Description-->iCON CubeMi 3 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> class compliant? |- | <!--Description-->iConnectivity | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> usb to 5pin midi interface |- | <!--Description-->iConnectivity mio | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2010 class compliant but reported issues with sending System Exclusive (SysEx) MIDI messages and MIDI signals getting cut off |- | <!--Description--> iConnectMidi interface | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2010 |- | <!--Description-->iCM2 iCM4 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2012 |- | <!--Description-->iConnectivity iConnectMIDI4+ L | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2014 class compliant?? |- | <!--Description-->iConnectivity MioXL | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->IK Multimedia iRig MIDI 2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> class compliant |- | <!--Description-->iRig Pro | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> usb to 5pin midi interface |- | <!--Description-->Kenton | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> usb to 5pin midi interface |- | <!--Description-->Kenton Electronics pro solo mk2 midi to cv converter | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> usb to 5pin midi interface |- | <!--Description-->Kenton Midi Thru-25 5 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> usb to 5pin midi interface |- | <!--Description-->Keytech MT18E 8 Way Midi Thru box | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> 9 to 12v psu required |- | <!--Description-->MidiPlus Midi 2x2 midi interface | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> usb to 5pin midi interface |- | <!--Description-->MidiPlus Midi 4x4 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> supposedly class compliant - USB bus powered |- | <!--Description-->MidiTech MIT-00151 Midiface 4x4 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> usb to 5pin midi interface |- | <!--Description-->MidiTech Midiface 4x4 8x8 16x16 thru merge | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> usb to 5pin midi interface |- | <!--Description-->Miditech Midilink mini 1x1 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> usb to 5pin midi interface |- | <!--Description-->M-Audio Midisport UNO only if box is labeled Class Compliant and latest MIDISPORT 1x1 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->M-Audio Fast Track Ultra (6 in 6 out) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2008 not usb compliant, - |- | <!--Description-->M-Audio Midiman Midisport 2x2 Anniversary Edition [https://gearspace.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-and-electronic-music-production/1133862-why-there-hardly-any-midi-interfaces.html not stable enough] | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2009 USB2 usb-b - does not need firmware and supposedly plug and play - |- | <!--Description-->M-Audio Midisport 4x4 Anniversary Edition | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> rumored does not need firmware - supposedly plug and play - issues with its firmware for some and lacks configurable routing |- | <!--Description-->Maudio Fast Track Ultra 8R | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> usb to 5pin midi interface |- | <!--Description-->Native Instruments Komplete Audio 6 Mk1 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 maybe usb compliant but bus powered, |- | <!--Description-->Nektar Midiflex 4 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|untested}} | <!--Opinion-->2015 class compliant and usb-b powered - used as a 1 in / 3 out, 2 in / 2 out or 4 out 5pin sockets - |- | <!--Description-->Neusonik IM-One | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> usb to 5pin midi interface |- | <!--Description-->Peavey Xport | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> guitars only |- | <!--Description-->Roland UM-ONE UM-1 mk2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2010 USB class compliant if switch to TAB for class compliant mode rather than the COMPUTER mode |- | <!--Description-->Squarp Hermid | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> usb to 5pin midi interface |- | <!--Description-->Steinberg Midex 8x8 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> class compliant? supporting MIDI Time Stamping protocol |- | <!--Description-->Swissonic MidiConnect 2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> usb to 5pin midi interface |- | <!--Description-->Tapco LiNK.midi USB 4x4 (Loud technologies) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{no|dedicated driver}} | <!--Opinion-->2005 |- | <!--Description-->Teac Corp Tascam US-2x2 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0644 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{no| }} | <!--Opinion--> 2014 5v dc power, midi out in, |- | <!--Description-->Teac Corp Tascam US-4x4 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0644 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Teac Tascam US-16x08 US-20x20 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0644 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Zoom U-24 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> midi to 5pin interface |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> midi to 5pin interface |- | <!--Description-->Unbranded cable | 0x552d | 0x4348 | F110 | <!--CAMD-->{{Maybe|detected but no usb driver in devs/midi for camd to use}} | <!--Opinion-->detected but not working the USB-MIDI conversion functionality of the cheapo USB MIDI "cable" interface is simply lacking, possibly being incapable of handling MIDI strings longer than 3 bytes long SysEx strings (e.g. SysEx dumps) - tested in Icaros 2.3 - |- | <!--Description-->USB2.0-MIDI Unbranded cable with clear braided underneath leads | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1A86 | <!--Product ID-->0x752D | <!--Revision-->0254 | <!--CAMD-->{{Maybe|detected binding to camdusbmidi.class but untested midi in / out}} | <!--Opinion-->untested but better to get a branded version - tested AROS One 2.4 usb |- | <!--Description-->LogiLink USB to Midi In-Out | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk|}} | <!--Opinion-->untested cheap cable version but issues with latency on other systems |- | <!--Description--> gm5 USB midi chip DIY option only | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> usb to 5pin midi interface |- | <!--Description-->Doremidi LEKATO MIDI USB C Interface 1x1 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> usb to 5pin midi interface |- | <!--Description-->Thomann Midi USB 1x1 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> Prodipe made |- | <!--Description-->Prodipe MIDI 1i/1o | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> usb to 5pin midi interface |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |} Classic 5pin DIN controllers for above interfaces {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="20%" | Description ! width="10%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="10%" |CAMD ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Description-->Akai s5000 s6000 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> midi digital samplers |- | <!--Description-->Akai AX80 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Casio CZ-5000 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Casio CZ-3000 CZ-1000 CZ-101 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Cheetah MS6 midi controller | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{No|untested}} | <!--Opinion-->2000 multi-timbral, six-voice (twelve-oscillator), analogue synthesiser module is loaded with CEM 3396s |- | <!--Description-->Ensoniq ESQ1 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Integra | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Korg Wavestation Ex A/D SR | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->1986 ex has piano and drum sounds |- | <!--Description-->Korg DW-8000 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Korg DW-6000 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Korg Poly 800 MK1 Poly-800ii | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> all plastic and can run on batteries - 49 keys non-velocity dco synt analogue filter |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Roland D-50 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|1987 untested greater concern would be moisture and wear}} |- | <!--Description-->Roland A50 (76) A80 (88) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|1989 untested}} |- | <!--Description-->ROLAND JUNO-D | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->Roland Juno 106 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->80s kx73 or kx88 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->Roland ED PC-160A PC-180A | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} legacy DIN5 MIDI port only - 6 AA batteries or 9v psu - One regular source of failure for me were emty batteries (even with red control light still active). Another source was a bad MIDI cable - unplug then re-plug the USB cable while it is powered the device might reconnect |- | <!--Description-->Roland M1 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Roland S-550 S-760 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> digital samplers kontakt replaced these? |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Yamaha DX7 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->1983 12bit |- | <!--Description-->Yamaha DX7S DX72IID DX7IIFD | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->1987 16bit versions |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--CAMD-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- |} The MIDI standard was published in August 1983. The inventors, Kakehashi and Smith finally received a Technical Grammy Award in 2013 for their work. The MIDI files that contained just the note data, velocity and timing meant you could transfer an entire studio session from one place to another on one floppy disk and it could control all the synths and drum samplers. Pass-thru meant that one computer could run an entire bands worth of instruments. It's bulletproof too. MIDI never goes wrong, it's always a bug in software that causes any issue - you can absolutely rely on it to go gigging with, take your synths, controllers and computers and not crash an entire gig at your 100,000 person venue. The MIDI hardware specification is very simple (voltage, polarity, screening, protection and a fast enough opto-isolator), it assumes that the data it sends and receives between MIDI devices is to the MIDI data standard and just passes it on. The microprocessor in the hardware does all the work. The minimum for a computer/MIDI interface is that it meets the MIDI hardware specification. It is attached to the computer bus and handles the electrical conversions required. To meet the MIDI hardware specification, to be class compliant as a USB device all it has to do is report itself properly when plugged in. The other half of the equation is the MIDI data standard, and for a computer MIDI interface the main issue is the speed of data transmission. The bus speed of the computer is faster than the speed of the MIDI standard so it can generate and send MIDI data faster than a MIDI device can receive it. The MIDI standards have nothing to say on that bottleneck at all. MIDI was designed to be very simple and very open, it just defines a standard for the messages and leaves it up to manufacturers to implement them in the way they want. That's what makes it so powerful a tool, and also what makes it so confusing and frustrating at times. For midi, the hardware/software combination at various connection points handles the translation to/from midi (or other protocols). Drivers would be needed for midi, including clock and SysEx signal (actually claiming to handle ALL midi quirks transparently All the important MIDI data types can be sent (CC, NRPN, RPN, MMC, Note On/Off, program change) There is no official way to solve the data bottleneck. Early software sequencers and librarians tried to solve it by having an option to buffer SYSEX data in software and transmit it at the MIDI data rate. The downside is that hogs the bus and can hit computer performance. Interface manufacturers would add a hardware buffer which would take all the MIDI data from the PC bus and feed it into the MIDI at the slower data rate, but that added cost and created timing issues. Things have moved on since then, but the principles remain the same. You can buffer in the hardware or in software, whether that is in the application or the interface driver. SYSEX will work perfectly well with that budget cable if your software handles the buffering. And while the cables with hardware buffers make SYSEX easier, they still have potential problems because of the limitations of the MIDI data rate. Your MIDI clock doesn't like being interrupted with a big program dump The serial / parallel ports were a direct connection, so faster. Now, everything in the computer is virtual and the only thing connected to the hardware is the kernel, hence everything is by default bottlenecked and jittery, regardless of which connection. So by the time the interface gets the information it's already too late. Ethernet network cable to transport MIDI over large distances, connect 2 MIDI In and 2 MIDI Out ports to patch, remap, filter and merge MIDI flows on a fine channel basis for tight MIDI throughput, latency and jitter Possibilities for DAWs of the future including a kind of sync reference for timing reference which an interface could sync to, hence all the timings then would be locked between the grid on the DAW screen and the MIDI info. Preemptible, low latency and accuracy are essential for good communication. One of the first things you need to do, is make sure your MIDI software sets the interface to the same MIDI channel as your keyboard (usually 1) Do you want to send just your master keyboard to other synths or to be able to use any keyboard with any synth? 1st option is relatively simple. Just need to send midi from your master keyboard into a midi splitter that redistributes the signal onto your synths. Each synth will be set up to receive midi on a specific channel so the only challenge is to find a way to select to which channel you are sending midi. Some master keyboards can do that although not many that have a dedicated knob or switch on the panel and most require a bit of menu diving. Could use a midi box that offers channel selection but usually this is not very workflow friendly. The software route would require using the mouse. 2nd option is a bit more complex but superior workflow by sending midi messages into a merge box, from there into a hardware sequencer that allows to select midi channel, then on to a midi interface that distributes the signal to the synths. Master keyboard MIDI-in to computer. External hardware sampler MIDI-out from computer. Audio-out from sampler to audio-in on computer/device. Blue Ribbon Soundworks Bars & Pipes Professional (1993/4) GM (1984), GS (1987), XG level 1-3 (1994-1997), GM level 2 (1999) GM GM1 imposes several requirements beyond the MIDI 1.0 specification. While MIDI 1.0 by itself provides a communication protocol which ensures that different instruments can interoperate at a fundamental level e.g sound modules. GM goes further in two ways. First, GM requires that all compliant MIDI instruments meet a certain minimal set of features, such as being able to play at least 24 notes simultaneously (polyphony). Second, GM attaches specific interpretations to many parameters and control messages which were left unspecified in the MIDI 1.0 specification. A minimum of 128 MIDI Program Numbers (conforming to the GM 1 Instrument Patch Map) and 47 percussion sounds (conforming to the GM 1 Percussion Key Map). Support for controller number 1, 7, 10, 11, 64, 100, 101, 121 and 123; support for channel pressure and pitch bend controllers. General MIDI Level 2 or GM2 is a specification for synthesizers which defines several requirements beyond the MIDI standard and is based on General MIDI (GM) and Roland GS extensions. It was adopted in 1999 by the MIDI Manufacturers Association (MMA). * Number of Notes: 32 simultaneous notes * MIDI Channels: 16 * Simultaneous Melodic Instruments – up to 16 (all Channels) * Simultaneous Percussion Kits – up to 2 (Channel 10/11) Program and bank change events General MIDI 2 compatible synthesizers access all of the 256 instruments by setting cc#0 (Bank Select MSB) to 121 and using cc#32 (Bank Select LSB) to select the variation bank before a Program Change. Variation bank 0 contains the full GM (General MIDI 1) sound set. Variations using other bank numbers are new to General MIDI 2, and correspond to variation sounds introduced in Roland GS. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CluuHrr7HG4 Major WWHWWWH, Minor WHWWHWW scale], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jjm7Ti-iwz0 Chords], ==usb audio== AROS currently does not support natively any USB audio interface for recording audio USB audio is only available for limited Amiga like OSs, independent of the USB protocol version USB1.x USB2, USB3.x, which are not backwards compatible. *Introduced 2000 and from 2014 USB Audio 1 UAC1 16bit 44.1kHz *Introduced 2006 and from 2014 USB Audio 2 [https://www.usb.org/document-library/usb-device-class-definition-audio-devices-release-20-errata-and-ecn-through-april UAC2] 24bit 192kHz *Introduced 2016 and from 2024 USB Audio 3 [https://www.usb.org/documents UAC3] 32bit 384kHz USB group decided to rewrite the audio standard, so [https://os4depot.net/?function=showfile&file=audio/record/usbaudio2.lha UAC2] and [https://archive.fosdem.org/2019/schedule/event/linux_and_usb_audio_class_3/attachments/slides/3345/export/events/attachments/linux_and_usb_audio_class_3/slides/3345/Linux_and_USB_Audio_Class_3___FOSDEM_2019.pdf UAC3]. They added clock selection and control, timing domains and others. Part of the changes included changing many of the descriptors that an audio device uses to describe itself to the machine. PsdErrorlog/PsdDevlister? The AHI driver generated only supports mono/stereo at any bit rates between 8 and 32 bit per sample, but not multichannel modes and only rates up to 65KHz (because AHI uses a 16-bit word for frequencies). If the soundcard does not offer such a PCM 8-32 bit mode at frequencies lower than 65 KHz, there's nothing much that can be done about it on the computer side other than revising and expanding the AHI standard. Most cheap USB soundcards do though. AHI does not support six channel playback. It only supports mono, stereo and multichannel (8 channels). Due to the multichannel mode not being used by any application so far, the usbaudio.class does not support multichannel playback, especially not "upchannelling" stereo to six or more channels. If this USB device does not support a two channel mode, you can't use it under AHI. Untested but most likely to work, at least 2 mic inputs (low impedance) & instruments (high impedance) and made in the last 10 years *[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMuA-2FbJxE Entry level <100Euro] BOMGE U202, Behringer UMC, Presonus Studio, *[ Next tier <200Euro] Audient iD, Solid SSL2 and SSL2+, Lewitt, Focusrite Scarlett, Arturia MiniFuse, *[ Prosumer <300Euro] Focusrite Clarett+, *[ Professional <500Euro] RME Babyface, *[ Studio >500Euros] Bands may need 4 or more mic inputs [http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=38364030 XDA Forum thread], <pre> <- Computer <- Mobile Phone / Tablet (OTG) <- Digital Cameras <- Video <- Webcams Base Computer <-> OBS like <- Audio Mixer <- Microphone(s) -> Internet -> Youtube & Chat </pre> USB AUDIO CARDS - UAC Compliant {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="20%" |Description ! width="10%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="10%" |Playback ! width="10%" |Records ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Arturia Mini Fuse 1 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1C75 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion-->2021 maybe usb compliant, okay pre amp 1 combi input, cirrus logic cs4272 ad converter, |- | <!--Description-->Arturia MiniFuse 2 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1C75 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion-->2021 maybe usb compliant usb-c with usb2.0, okay pre amps with good dynamic range 110dB, cirrus logic cs4272 ad converter, two combi inputs for mic, line or guitar, |- | <!--Description-->Arturia MiniFuse 4 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1C75 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 maybe usb compliant, okay 110dB dynamic range, -129dB EIN, |- | <!--Description-->Arturia AudioFuse 16Rig | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1C75 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 maybe usb compliant, good |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Audient iD44 mk1 mki | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion-->2018 maybe usb compliant, good, |- | <!--Description-->Audient evo4 EVO8 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2020 maybe usb compliant, |- | <!--Description-->Audient iD4 mk2 mkII | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2022 maybe usb compliant, |- | <!--Description-->Audient id14 mk2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 maybe usb compliant, good, |- | <!--Description-->Audient iD24 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 maybe usb compliant and usb-c bus powered, good, , 0-in/14-out audio interface with ADAT expandability, balanced inserts |- | <!--Description-->Audient iD44 Mk2 Mkii | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 maybe usb compliant, good, |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Behringer U-PHORIA UMC22 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1397 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2014 maybe usb compliant, okay, midas pre-amps |- | <!--Description-->Behringer U-PHORIA UMC202HD | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1397 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2014 maybe usb compliant, okay, midas pre-amps ein -129 dBu, 24bit ADC, |- | <!--Description-->Behringer U-PHORIA UMC404HD | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1397 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2014 maybe usb compliant, okay, midas pre-amps, 24bit adc, |- | <!--Description-->Behringer U-PHORIA UMC204HD 192 Empower Tribe | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1397 | <!--Product ID-->0x0508 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2015 maybe usb compliant, okay, midas pre-amps |- | <!--Description-->Behringer UMC1820 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1397 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion-->2016, bus complaint?, okay midas pre amps, adc, |- | <!--Description-->Behringer U-PHORIA UM2 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1397 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2018 maybe usb compliant, poor zenyx pre-amps with high noise floor, plastic build no rf shielding, latency issues, |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Focusrite Saffire 6 USB 1.1 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1235 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2008 maybe usb compliant, , , midi, strictly NEC USB 2.0, |- | <!--Description-->Focusrite Scarlett 8i6 Gen 1 MOSC0001 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1235 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2011 maybe usb compliant, but |- | <!--Description-->Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 Gen 1 MOSC0003 *TP1 - 3.3V, tested ok *TP2 - U4 control signal, 3.3V present at all time. *TP4 - Ground *TP6 - 48V, tested ok *TP7 - Ground *TP8 - Ground | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1235 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2011 usually avoid early Gen 1, |- | <!--Description-->[https://khronscave.blogspot.com/2021/08/75-focusrite-scarlett-2i4-1st-gen.html Focusrite Scarlet 2i4 Gen 1 (slide toggles) MOSC0004] *TP1 - 3.3V, tested 3.22v *TP2 - U4 control signal, 3.3V present *TP4 - Ground *TP6 - measure 47.72v * AKM 4384ET (VDD 5v) * Cirrus Logic CS4272-CZZ (VA 4.94v/ VD 3.2v/ VL 3.2v) * all four HC4066 (VCC 4.96v) * XMOS XS1-L01A-TQ128-C5 (all VDD 1.08v/ all VVDIO 3.23v/ PPLAVDD 0.99v/ PCU-VDDIO 3.23v) 2i4S *TP1 seems to be 0V *TP2 should be 5V *TP3 should be *TP6 should be 48V *TP8 should be 3.3V | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1235 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2011 maybe usb compliant, pre amps JRC NJM2122 and NJM4565, [https://statics.cirrus.com/pubs/proDatasheet/CS4272_F1.pdf CS4272 adc], [https://pdf.datasheet.live/e5e5fd1c/akm.com/AK4384.pdf AK4384 output pair], Xmos XS1-L8A-64-TQ128 processor and firmware in Winbond 25X40CL 4Mbit, an SMSC Microchip USB3343 interface and a Microchip PL611 clock generator - two Intersil / Renesas ISL97519A for the phantom power rail, two OnSemi NCP1521B for the 3.3V (digital) and 1V (Xmos core) rails - |- | <!--Description-->Focusrite iTrack Solo USB Audio Interface | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion-->2012 maybe usb compliant, |- | <!--Description-->Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 1st Gen MOSC00 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1235 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2013 maybe usb compliant, , Cirrus CS4272, |- | <!--Description-->[http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/current_audio_gear Focusrite ] Scarlett 4i4 Gen MOSC00 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1235 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> maybe usb compliant, , Cirrus CS4272, |- | <!--Description-->Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen1 MOSC00 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1235 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2013 maybe usb compliant, , , 12v psu, the headphone outs mirror the outs on the back panel, so that's six independent outs. 4 independent analog output paths, plus two over spdif, |- | <!--Description-->[https://khronscave.blogspot.com/2019/03/38-focusrite-scarlett-18i8-gen1-teardown.html Focusrite Scarlett 18i8 1st Gen MOSC0008] | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1235 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2013 maybe usb compliant, JRC NJM4565 provide most of the opamps, pair of JRC NJM2122's for inputs 1 and 2, [http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/76/cs4272_f1-43250.pdf Cirrus CS4272], 12v 1a +central psu to a pair of National Semiconductor LM2672 for 3.3V rail and the +6.9V rail, Xmos XS1–L16A–128 dual-row QFN package, firmware a Winbond 25X40C 4Mbit SPI Flash and an SMSC USB3343 interface chip, the two headphone outs are completely independent so 6 independent analog output paths, plus two over spdif, |- | <!--Description-->Focusrite Clarett+ 8Pre | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1235 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2015 great, expensive, maybe usb compliant? |- | <!--Description-->Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 Gen 2 (slide toggles) MOSC0006 *TP6 should be 48V | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1235 | <!--Product ID-->0x8202 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2016 maybe usb compliant, USB-b bus powered, good preamps ein equivalent input noise -128 dBu, 24-bit 192kHz CS4272 as well as an additional AKM AK4384ET for the second stereo output pair, 4 screws under bottom rubber, |- | <!--Description-->[https://khronscave.blogspot.com/2021/07/focusrite-scarlett-2i4-2nd-gen-teardown.html Focusrite Scarlett 2i4 Gen 2 (slide toggles) MOSC0014] *TP6 should be 48V | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1235 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2016 maybe usb compliant, USB-b bus powered, good preamps NJM2122's, NJM4565's and CMOS switches (HEF4053 and HEF4066), CS4272 and a AKM AK4384ET, Xmos XU208-256-TQ64-C10 with firmware stored in a Macronix MX25L8006E 8Mbit flash memory, clocking by a Cirrus Logic CS2100, an MP1542 boost converter creates +6V and -6V rails, powering the opamps and the rest of the analog circuitry, |- | <!--Description-->Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 MOSC0016 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1235 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2016 maybe usb compliant, 12v psu, |- | <!--Description-->Focusrite Scarlett Solo 2nd Gen MOSC0019 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1235 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2016 maybe usb compliant, |- | <!--Description-->[https://khronscave.blogspot.com/2024/03/focusrite-scarlett-18i8-gen2-teardown.html Focusrite Scarlett 18i8 2nd Gen MOSC00] | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1235 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2016 maybe usb compliant, 12v psu, |- | <!--Description-->Focusrite Scarlett Solo 3rd Gen MOSC0024 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1235 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2019 maybe usb compliant usb-c but usb2, preamps, ad/dc 24bit 192kHz, most Focusrite gen3 interfaces have encrypted processors, |- | <!--Description-->Focusrite Scarlett 18i6 Gen3 MOSC00 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1235 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2019 maybe usb compliant, USB2 class compliant device, but with custom mixer interface |- | <!--Description-->Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 Gen 3 (push in switches) MOSC00 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1235 | <!--Product ID-->0x8210 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2019 maybe usb compliant, USB-c bus powered, good preamps ein equivalent input noise -128 dBu, 24-bit 192kHz Cirrus Logic xfr002c and cs4272 chips, |- | <!--Description-->Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 3rd gen MOSC00 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1235 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2019 maybe usb compliant, |- | <!--Description-->Focusrite Scarlett 18i8 3rd Gen MOSC00 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1235 | <!--Product ID-->0x8214 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2019 maybe usb compliant, , , no screws under the rubber pads on the bottom, 12v psu, |- | <!--Description-->Focusrite Scarlett Solo Studio Mk3 USB Audio Interface MOSC0030 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1235 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion-->2020 |- | <!--Description-->Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 4th Gen USB | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1235 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2024 maybe usb compliant, |- | <!--Description-->Focusrite Scarlett 4i4 4th Gen USB | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1235 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2024 maybe usb compliant, |- | <!--Description-->Focusrite Scarlett Studio 4th Gen USB | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1235 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2024 maybe usb compliant, |- | <!--Description-->Focusrite Scarlett Solo 4th Gen MOSC00 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1235 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> maybe usb compliant, |- | <!--Description-->Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 4th Gen MOSC00 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1235 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2024 maybe usb compliant, |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Lewitt Connect 6 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> maybe usb compliant, |- | <!--Description-->Lewitt | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Motu UltraLite AVB | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> usb not compliant? |- | <!--Description-->MOTU M2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> maybe not usb compliant?, usb-c, good pre amps, ad/dc, |- | <!--Description-->MOTU M4 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> maybe not usb compliant, okay, |- | <!--Description-->MOTU U2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> maybe not usb compliant, good but latest had hardware revision |- | <!--Description-->MOTU UltraLite-mk3 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2010 not usb compliant, great |- | <!--Description-->MOTU UltraLite-mk5 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2020 not usb compliant, great |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Nuemann MT48 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> maybe usb compliant, okay |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Presonus AudioBox USB | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2008 maybe not usb compliant, usb1.1 usb-b bus powered, okay pre-amps, 24bit ADC 48Khz max, |- | <!--Description-->Presonus Audiobox 1818VSL | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2011 maybe not usb compliant, |- | <!--Description-->Presonus AudioBox 44VSL | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2011 may not be usb compliant, 12v psu, |- | <!--Description-->PreSonus AudioBox 22VSL | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2011 maybe not usb compliant, |- | <!--Description-->|PreSonus Studio 2|4 2x2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> maybe usb compliant, usb-b, |- | <!--Description-->|PreSonus Studio 2|6 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2017 maybe usb compliant, |- | <!--Description-->|PreSonus Studio 6|8 USB Audio Interface | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2017 maybe compliant, needs ext psu, |- | <!--Description-->PreSonus Studio 24c 2x2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2019 maybe usb compliant, usb-c, good, adc, |- | <!--Description-->PreSonus Studio 26c | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2019 maybe usb compliant, usb-c, |- | <!--Description-->PreSonus® Studio 68c | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2019 maybe usb compliant, usb-c, |- | <!--Description-->PreSonus AudioBox USB 96 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2020 maybe usb compliant, high preamp noise, |- | <!--Description-->Presonus Quantum ES2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2022 maybe usb compliant, okay, |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Prism | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Prism Lyra | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2013 maybe not usb compliant, great |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Platane UP1 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2024 maybe usb compliant usb- UAC2 asynchronous protocol, 64dB Low-noise Mic amplifier, 32Bit High End ADC and DAC, 16dBu High-power ti headphone amplifier |- | <!--Description-->Platane UP2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2024 maybe usb compliant, |- | <!--Description-->Platane | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->RME Babyface/UC/UFX | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2010 maybe not usb compliant, good |- | <!--Description-->RME Fireface UCX | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2012 might be able to put into class compliant cc although a firewire device, pre amps, adc, |- | <!--Description-->RME Babyface Pro FS | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2019 maybe not usb compliant, good |- | <!--Description-->RME Fireface UCX II | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2021 might be class compliant usb-b, pre amps, adc, |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Solid State Logic SSL2 SSL2+ Mk1 1st Gen | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2020 maybe usb compliant, good, adc, |- | <!--Description-->Solid State Logic SSL12 SSL18 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2022 maybe usb compliant, bus powered, good pre-amps, up to 32-bit 192kHz AD/DA converters, 12-in 8-out, |- | <!--Description-->Solid State Logic SSL2 SSL2+ MkII | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2024 maybe usb compliant, good pre amps ein -130 dBu, ad/dc, okay latency, |- | <!--Description-->Solid State Logic | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> maybe usb compliant, |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Topping E1x2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2023 maybe usb compliant, good |- | <!--Description-->Topping Pro E2x2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2023 maybe usb compliant, good |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->UAD UA Apollo | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2012 maybe not usb compliant, |- | <!--Description-->UA apollo 2nd Gen twin X (Duo/Quad), X4, X6, X8, X8P, and X16 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2015 bus compliant?, usb- |- | <!--Description-->UA apollo twin x quad 3rd Gen | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2018 bus compliant?, usb- |- | <!--Description-->Universal Audio Volt 1 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2021 maybe usb compliant, good, |- | <!--Description-->|Universal Audio Volt 276 2|76 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2021 maybe usb compliant, good, |- | <!--Description-->Universal Audio Volt 2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2022 maybe usb compliant, good, |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Records | Opinion |- | <!--Description-->Akai EIE Pro AI01 Electromusic Interface Expander - | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2011 maybe not usb compliant, 4-in/4-out USB 2.0 audio interface with a built-in USB hub and MIDI I/O, up to 24-bit/96kHz |- | <!--Description-->Akai EIE Pro AI02 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> maybe not usb compliant, |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->|Alesis io2 io|2, io14 io|14, io26 io|26 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{no| }} | <!--Records-->{{no| }} | <!--Opinion-->2006 bus powered but not usb compliant, okay pre-amps, 2, 4 or 8 mics respectively, |- | <!--Description-->Alesis iO2 Express | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{no| }} | <!--Records-->{{no| }} | <!--Opinion-->2010 not usb compliant, poor pre-amps, |- | <!--Description-->Alesis Core 1 USB Audio Interface | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2014 maybe cc, mini usb, poor latency, |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Apogee Duet 1 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{no| }} | <!--Records-->{{no| }} | <!--Opinion-->2009 firewire only, not usb compliant micro-usb with most features, , , two‑channel two‑in, two‑out, |- | <!--Description-->Apogee Ensemble | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{no| }} | <!--Records-->{{no| }} | <!--Opinion-->2009 firewire, not usb compliant micro-usb with most features, , , two‑channel |- | <!--Description-->Apogee One USB 1st Gen | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2010 maybe not usb compliant micro-usb for basic features, , , single‑channel up to 48kHz |- | <!--Description-->Apogee One USB 2nd Gen | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2013 maybe usb compliant usb- and maybe aa batteries, |- | <!--Description-->Apogee Duet 2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2022 maybe usb compliant usb-c with most features, , , |- | <!--Description-->Apogee One USB 3rd Gen | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2016 maybe usb compliant, |- | <!--Description-->Apogee Ensemble Thunderbolt | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2020 maybe not usb compliant micro-usb with most features, , , two‑channel |- | <!--Description-->Apogee Boom | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2022 maybe usb compliant usb-c, , , |- | <!--Description-->Apogee Duet 3 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2022 maybe usb compliant usb-c with most features, , , |- | <!--Description-->Apogee | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->ART PRO Audio Usb Mix | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2016 maybe usb compliant bus powered, |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Avid Digidesign Mbox 1 USB Audio | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0dba | <!--Product ID-->01000 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{no| }} | <!--Records-->{{no| }} | <!--Opinion-->2002 mbox original was usb1 and not a usb class compliant device, and had the much hated "focusrite designed" mic preamps, light blue front plate and the sticky out feet |- | <!--Description-->Avid Digidesign Mbox 2 USB Audio | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0dba | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{no| }} | <!--Records-->{{no| }} | <!--Opinion-->2005 midi not usb compliant |- | <!--Description-->Avid Digidesign Mbox 2 Pro USB Audio | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0dba | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{no| }} | <!--Records-->{{no| }} | <!--Opinion-->2006 not usb compliant |- | <!--Description-->Avid Digidesign Mbox 2 Mini USB Audio | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0dba | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{no| }} | <!--Records-->{{no| }} | <!--Opinion-->2007 not usb compliant |- | <!--Description-->Avid Digidesign Mbox 2 Micro USB Audio | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0dba | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{no| }} | <!--Records-->{{no| }} | <!--Opinion-->2009 not usb compliant |- | <!--Description-->AVID MBox 3rd gen Mini or Standard but Pro is Firewire | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion-->2010 maybe usb compliant, |- | <!--Description-->behringer u-control uca202 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x8bb | <!--Product ID-->0x2902 | <!--Revision-->1.00 | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2008 maybe usb compliant, draws a lot of power - dac ti burr-brown - no microphone pre-amp - |- | <!--Description-->Behringer U-CONTROL UCA 222 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2009 maybe usb compliant, - no microphone pre-amp - |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Black Lion Audio 2x2 evolution | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion-->2021 maybe usb compliant but , okay with 109dB range - poor noise floor, 24-bit 192kHz Cirrus Logic CS4272, average latency, |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Bomge 11s | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion-->2021 |- | <!--Description-->Bomge 22s | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion-->2021 |- | <!--Description-->Bomge BMG22 USB Audio Interface | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion-->2021 usb-c, 24bit 192kHz but only use much lower, may have to spend time cleaning up some of the noise, high latency, |- | <!--Description-->Bomge U202 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 usb-c, 32bit 192kHz but only use much lower, may have to spend time cleaning up some of the noise, high latency, |- | <!--Description-->Bomge U204 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 usb-c, 32bit 192kHz but only use much lower , may have to spend time cleaning up some of the noise, high latency, |- | <!--Description-->Bomge Mini | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion-->2024 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->TI Burr-Brown PCM2702E PCM2704 PCM2704C Muse Audio Mini USB DAC board | <!--Vendor ID-->0x08bb | <!--Product ID-->0x2704 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> maybe usb compliant, no mic input - goodish quality |- | <!--Description-->TI Burr-Brown PCM2900 PCM2902 PCM2906 USB DAC board | <!--Vendor ID-->0x08bb | <!--Product ID-->0x2900 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> maybe usb compliant, no mic input - goodish quality |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Depusheng MD22 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 usb-b powered, 24bit 192kHz though is 96kHz, |- | <!--Description-->Depusheng USB Audio | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 usb-b powered, 24bit 192kHz though is 96kHz, |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->|Emagic emi 2|6 em2|6 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion-->2002 not uac |- | <!--Description-->|Emagic emi 6|2m | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion-->2005 not uac |- | <!--Description-->|Emagic emi 6|2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion-->2005 not uac |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Ego Systems, Inc. in Korea (ESI) joining with RIDI GmbH | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion-->2006 maybe not usb compliant, |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->esi Mixvibes U46 Mk II USB audio | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{no| }} | <!--Records-->{{no| }} | <!--Opinion-->2007 not usb compliant, usb-b powered, |- | <!--Description-->ESI ESU22 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion-->2008 maybe not usb compliant, |- | <!--Description-->esi U24XL | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2008 maybe usb compliant, usb-b powered, 24 bits, 2 analogue inputs and outputs with 6.3 mm jack connection, Output L can be used as a headphone output, S / PDIF digital input - |- | <!--Description-->esi U46XL | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2008 maybe usb compliant, usb-b powered, |- | <!--Description-->ESI Originals, Inc ESIO MAYA22USB | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2013 maybe usb compliant, usb-b powered, 1 xlr, |- | <!--Description-->ESI MAYA44USB+ | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2013 maybe usb compliant, usb-b powered, xlr, |- | <!--Description-->ESI Originals, Inc ESIO MARA22XTU | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2014 maybe usb compliant, usb-b powered, 1 xlr, |- | <!--Description-->ESI U22XT | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2016 usb class compliant |- | <!--Description-->ESI Gigaport Ex | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2020 usb compliant?, usb-c usb3.1, , , |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->iConnectivity iConnectAUDIO2+ icaudio-02 USB audio interface | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2016 }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->LexiconPro - Omega 8x4x2 (USB-1.1) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{no| }} | <!--Records-->{{no| }} | <!--Opinion-->2003 not usb complaint |- | <!--Description-->Lexicon Alpha | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{no| }} | <!--Records-->{{no| }} | <!--Opinion-->2006 not usb compliant, |- | <!--Description-->Lexicon Lambda | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2006 may not be compliant, |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Line 6 Toneport UX1 and Tone Port UX2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion-->2004 not usb compliant, |- | <!--Description-->Line 6 TonePort UX8 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion-->2005 maybe not class compliant, |- | <!--Description-->Line 6 POD Studio UX1 UX2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion-->2006 not usb compliant, |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Lokchonk UX22 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljSiNmudMm0 Lokchonk UX44HD] | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 usb-b , , , 2in 2out only, average latency, |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Mackie Onyx Artist 1·2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2006 maybe not usb compliant, usb-b powered, |- | <!--Description-->Mackie Onyx Producer 2X2 USB Audio Interface | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2008 maybe usb compliant, usb-b midi |- | <!--Description-->Mackie Onyx Blackjack | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2011 USB powered but maybe not usb compliant, Two Onyx Preamps, 2-in, 2-out which are combo Neutrik-type connectors to handle XLR, instrument or line level |- | <!--Description-->Mackie | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2011 maybe usb compliant, , , |- | <!--Description-->Media Assistance USB-One | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{no| }} | <!--Records-->{{no| }} | <!--Opinion-->2009 not uac cc comliant, |- | <!--Description-->M-Audio Fast Track USB | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2004 maybe not usb compliant, - guitar |- | <!--Description-->M-Audio Fast Track Ultra (6 in 6 out) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion-->2008 maybe usb cc providing 24-bit/96kHz audio capabilities but requires manual configuration of the mixer settings |- | <!--Description-->M-Audio M-Track | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2008 usb compliant?, okay - guitar and vocal mainly |- | <!--Description-->[https://htyp.org/M-Audio/Fast_Track_Ultra/Linux M-Audio FastTrack Ultra] and Ultra 8R | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2010 maybe usb compliant, low round-trip latency, okay octane pre amps, adc, |- | <!--Description-->M-Audio M-Track 2x2M | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2016 usb compliant? usb-c - okay pre-amps, , |- | <!--Description-->M-Audio M-Track (MkII) 2x2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2016 usb compliant? usb-c - okay pre amps, , |- | <!--Description-->M-Audio M-Track Solo | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2021 usb compliant? - okay but issues, MJN4580C opamps (lower gain 55 dB at volume 9-10), ti PCM2900C ADC 16bit means there is a hard noise floor at -96 dB, plastic build no rf shielding, |- | <!--Description-->M-Audio M-Track DUO | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2021 usb compliant? - okay but issues, MJN4580C opamps (lower gain 55 dB at volume 9-10), ti PCM2900C ADC 16bit means there is a hard noise floor at -96 dB, plastic build no rf sheild, |- | <!--Description-->M-Audio Air | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> maybe usb compliant, okay |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->NI AK1 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x17CC | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2008 maybe usb compliant, |- | <!--Description-->[https://www.pogo.org.uk/~mark/linuxdj/ Native Instruments Traktor Audio 8 DJ], [ Traktor Audio 4 DJ], [ Traktor Audio 2 DJ], | <!--Vendor ID-->0x17cc | <!--Product ID-->0x1978, 0x0839, 0x041C | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{no| }} | <!--Records-->{{no| }} | <!--Opinion-->2009 not usb compliant uses snd-usb-caiaq module, [https://mixxx.discourse.group/t/problems-with-native-instruments-audio-8-dj-on-linux/14719/2 Audio 8 device has 4 subunits which are not recognized correctly], Cirrus Logic DACs spec'd at 24-bit/96KHz over a USB2, |- | <!--Description-->NI Komplete Audio 6 Mk1 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x17CC | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2011 maybe usb compliant, pre amps, 24bit 96kHz adc, ocassional dropouts, plastic build top with metal around 3/4, |- | <!--Description-->Native Instruments NI Komplete Audio 1 and 2 USB | <!--Vendor ID-->0x17CC | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2019 maybe usb compliant, good pre amp ein -129.5 dBu, ad/dc, |- | <!--Description-->[https://support.native-instruments.com/hc/en-us/articles/360014683497-Apple-Silicon-Compatibility-News Native Instruments Komplete Audio 6 Mk2] | <!--Vendor ID-->0x17CC | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2019 maybe usb compliant, pre amps, 24bit 192kHz adc, black aluminum glass build, |- | <!--Description-->[ Native Instruments Traktor Pro] | <!--Vendor ID-->0x17cc | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2023 maybe usb compliant |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Novation AudioHub 2x4 NOVHUB01 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2008 maybe usb compliant, usb-b powered, no xlr, focusrite sounds inside, |- | <!--Description-->Novation AudioHub | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> maybe usb compliant, |- | <!--Description-->Prodipe Studio 22 Pro | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> maybe not usb compliant, |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Roland Edirol UA-3 Audio Capture | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0582 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->1998 maybe not usb compliant, |- | <!--Description-->Roland Edirol UA-30 Audio Capture | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0582 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{no|no driver}} | <!--Records-->{{no|no driver}} | <!--Opinion-->1999 not usb compliant, |- | <!--Description-->Roland Edirol UA1A UA-1D Audio Capture | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0582 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{no|no driver}} | <!--Records-->{{no|no driver}} | <!--Opinion-->2000 not usb compliant, |- | <!--Description-->Roland Edirol UA-5 Audio Capture (Roland) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0582 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{no|no driver}} | <!--Records-->{{no|no driver}} | <!--Opinion-->2000 not usb compliant, |- | <!--Description-->Roland Edirol UA-1000 Audio Capture | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0582 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{no|no driver}} | <!--Records-->{{no|no driver}} | <!--Opinion-->2004 not usb compliant, |- | <!--Description-->Roland Edirol UA-1EX, Cakewalk UA-1G | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0582 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{no|no driver}} | <!--Records-->{{no|no driver}} | <!--Opinion-->2005 not usb compliant driver also supports ASIO (Steinberg Audio Stream I/O Interface), noisy |- | <!--Description-->Roland Duo Capture UA-11 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0582 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{no|no driver}} | <!--Records-->{{no|no driver}} | <!--Opinion-->2006 not usb compliant, |- | <!--Description-->Roland QUAD-CAPTURE Analog 2x2 Digital 2x2 USB 2.0 4in/4out | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0582 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{no|no driver}} | <!--Records-->{{no|no driver}} | <!--Opinion-->2005 not usb compliant, usb-b powered |- | <!--Description-->[https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/Documentation/Manuals/Rosegarden/Setup Roland Edirol UA-101 and UA-1000 (Clemens Ladisch driver)] | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0582 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{no| }} | <!--Records-->{{no| }} | <!--Opinion-->2006 not usb compliant, |- | <!--Description-->[https://github.com/mmueller-kaffeeschluerfercom/UA-25-Firmware-Modification Roland Edirol ua-25] | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0582 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2007 maybe usb compliant 16bit 44.1kHz sampling without MIDI but not USB class complient when in Advanced mode for 24bit or midi |- | <!--Description-->Edirol by Roland USB AudioCapture UA-25EX | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0582 | <!--Product ID-->0x00e6, 0x00e7 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2008 maybe usb compliant if ADVANCED DRIVER switched to OFF might play and record at 44.1kHz and 16-bit samples |- | <!--Description-->Roland Audio Interface V-Studio 20 VS-20 Cakewalk | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0582 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{no| }} | <!--Records-->{{no| }} | <!--Opinion-->2010 maybe not usb compliant, usb-b powered, 1 xlr, |- | <!--Description-->Roland Edirol UA55 UA-55 Quad Cakewalk | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0582 | <!--Product ID-->0x012f | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{no| }} | <!--Records-->{{no| }} | <!--Opinion-->2011 not USB class compliant, |- | <!--Description-->Roland DUO-CAPTURE EX UA-22 USB Audio | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0582 | <!--Product ID-->0x0159 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2013 maybe usb compliant but not be used with a USB 3.0 port that is not compatible with USB 2.0 specification, vs pre amps, adc, three AA batteries in base, or an AC adapter psb-1u 9V 2A - |- | <!--Description-->Roland Rubix series Roland Rubix22 USB 2.0 Audio Interface | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2017 maybe usb compliant, |- | <!--Description-->Roland Rubix series Roland Rubix24 USB 2.0 Audio Interface | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2017 maybe usb compliant, |- | <!--Description-->Roland | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> maybe usb compliant |- | <!--Description-->Steinberg MI2, Steinberg MI4 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{no| }} | <!--Records-->{{no| }} | <!--Opinion-->2004 not usb compliant, |- | <!--Description-->Steinberg (2004 Yamaha buys) MIDI interface hardware including the CC like CC121 CC-121 and CI1 CI2 series. | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{no|no driver}} | <!--Records-->{{no|no driver}} | <!--Opinion-->2008 not usb compliant, |- | <!--Description-->Steinberg UR12 UR22 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2013 maybe not usb compliant, poor pre-amps, |- | <!--Description-->Steinberg UR44 usb audio interface | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2014 maybe not usb compliant, poor pre-amps, |- | <!--Description-->Steinberg UR242 audio interface | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2015 maybe usb compliant, usb powered or 5v psu, okay pre-amps, |- | <!--Description-->Steinberg UR22mkII | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2018 maybe usb compliant, okay pre-amps ein -123 dBu, ad/dc, |- | <!--Description-->Steinberg UR-RT 2 USB Audio Interface | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2018 maybe usb compliant, usb2.0 usb-b, pre-amps, ad/dc, |- | <!--Description-->Steinberg UR44C (USB3) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2019 maybe usb compliant, |- | <!--Description-->Steinberg URX22C UR22C | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2021 maybe usb compliant, preamps okay but little noisy, ad/dc. |- | <!--Description-->Steinberg UR22 MkIII UR series | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2024 maybe usb compliant usb-c, okay pre-amps, adc, |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Tapco LiNK.USB 2x2 (Loud technologies WA, USA) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{no| }} | <!--Records-->{{no| }} | <!--Opinion-->2005 maybe not compliant, usb-b, poor pre-amps hum, latency issues, |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->[https://git.alsa-project.org/?p=alsa-tools.git;a=blob;f=usx2yloader/README;hb=3843634ef0310a952b256bcb6a4ddd0ad4ebe396 Teac Tascam US-422 US-428 US2XYloader] | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0644 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{no|no driver}} | <!--Records-->{{no|no driver}} | <!--Opinion-->2000 not usb compliant, |- | <!--Description-->Tascam US-122 US-224 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0644 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{no|no driver}} | <!--Records-->{{no|no driver}} | <!--Opinion-->2003 not usb compliant, needing firmware usx2yloader/us122fw.ihx for audio sound card - Tascam US-122 and US-122L are not the same - |- | <!--Description-->Tascam US-122L | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0644 | <!--Product ID-->0x800e | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{no|no driver}} | <!--Records-->{{no|no driver}} | <!--Opinion-->2006 not usb compliant, obsolete needs tascam_loader.ihx and us122fw.ihx firmware loaded each time unless automated |- | <!--Description-->Tascam US122 US-122 Mk2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{no|no driver}} | <!--Records-->{{no|no driver}} | <!--Opinion-->2004 not usb compliant although USB2 downgrade so using USB1.1 UHCI, tascam units suffer from high round-trip latency as do most typical USB units |- | <!--Description-->Tascam US144 US-144 Mk2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{no|no driver}} | <!--Records-->{{no|no driver}} | <!--Opinion-->2004 maybe usb compliant although USB2 downgrade so using USB1.1 UHCI, tascam units suffer from high round-trip latency as do most typical USB units |- | <!--Description-->Teac TASCAM US-200 USB 2.0 Audio / MIDI Interface | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{no|no driver}} | <!--Records-->{{no|no driver}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 maybe not usb compliant, |- | <!--Description-->Teac US-366 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{no|no driver}} | <!--Records-->{{no|no driver}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 maybe not usb compliant, |- | <!--Description-->Teac TASCAM US-600 USB 2.0 Audio / MIDI Interface | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{no|no driver}} | <!--Records-->{{no|no driver}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 maybe not usb compliant, |- | <!--Description-->Teac TASCAM US-800 USB 2.0 Audio / MIDI Interface | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{no|no driver}} | <!--Records-->{{no|no driver}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 may not be totally usb compliant |- | <!--Description-->Teac Tascam iU2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{no| }} | <!--Records-->{{no| }} | <!--Opinion-->2012 maybe not usb compliant, |- | <!--Description-->Teac Corp Tascam US-2x2 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0644 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2014 usb compliant?, 5v dc power, midi out in, |- | <!--Description-->Teac Corp Tascam US-4x4 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0644 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> usb compliant?, |- | <!--Description-->Teac Tascam US-16x08 US-20x20 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0644 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->teyun q12 Q-12, q22 Q-22 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> maybe usb compliant - unknown pre amp, unknown ad/dc, |- | <!--Description-->Teyun q26 Q-26, q24 Q-24 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> maybe usb compliant - unknown pre amp, unknown ad/dc, |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Yamaha UW500 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion-->2000 not class compliant, |- | <!--Description-->Yamaha Audiogram 3 USB Digital Audio Interface | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2012 maybe usb compliant, okay pre amp, 16bit 44kHz adc no advanced features without dedicated asio driver, 1 xlr, 1 instrument, |- | <!--Description-->Yamaha Audiogram 6 USB Digital Audio Interface | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2013 maybe usb compliant, okay, 2 xlr, 2 instrument, |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Zoom UAC-232 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> maybe not usb compliant, okay, |- | <!--Description-->Zoom UAC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> maybe not usb compliant, okay, |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Records | Opinion |- | <!--Description-->[http://www.arcam.co.uk/products,rseries,usb-dacs,rPAC.htm Arcam rPac] | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Audioquest Dragonfly | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Audioengine D1 Premium 24-bit DAC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Beresford TC-7520 (Burr Brown PCM 1716) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Beresford TC-7520 + Burson Buffer + MK3 JKSPDIF | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->[http://epiphany-acoustics.co.uk/products-page/dacs/e-dac-24bit-miniature-usb-dac/ Epiphany E-DAC 24bit] ES9023 DAC chip | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Firestone Audio FUBAR II Mk2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Firestone Audio iLoveTW 24Bit USB DAC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->FiiO D5 ta2020 chip amp | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->FiiO E07K Andes | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->FiiO E17 Alpen | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->GoVibe Magnum | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->GoVibe Martini-U | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->GoVibe Vulcan | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Halide Design DAC HD (Wolfson WM8716) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->HRT Steamer II USB DAC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->John Kenny JKDAC uses a 24-bit/192&nbsp;kHz Sabre ES9022 DAC or better JKDAC32 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> iBasso D12 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Leckerton UHA-6S MKII | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->MyST 1866 PortaDAC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Objective DAC ODAC+O2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Rega DAC (Wolfson WM8742) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Records | Opinion |- | <!--Description-->[http://www.henryaudio.com/open-source.php Henry Audio USB DAC 128 also known as QNKTC AB-1.2 open source DAC] | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Henry Audio mkII | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->AKM4430 DAC chip comes from Asahi Kasai |- | <!--Description-->DevilSound USB DAC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Zoom U series | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->KingRex UD-01 SE (Burr-Brown PCM 2702E) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->SuperPro 24/192 USB DAC (24bit 192&nbsp;kHz, CS-4398 D/A chip) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Records | Opinion |- | CMedia CM108 7.1ch emulation I2S in and out | 0x1926 | 0x0003 | 0x0100 | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | [http://www.lindy.co.uk/usb-2-audio-adapter/42961.html Lindy USB 2.0] (Chipset CM108) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | Speed-Link SL-8850-SBK Vigo ([http://mightyohm.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1036#p1030 CMedia CM108]) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | Dynamode USB SOUNDCARD 2.0 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0003 | <!--Product ID-->0x1130 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | Dynamode Virtual 7.1 USB-SOUND7 (C-Media ) | 0x0d8c | 0x000c 0x000e | 1.00 | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Generic White box with very little red led and white USB lead (CMedia ) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0d8c | <!--Product ID--> 0c000e | <!--Revision-->1.00 | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Records | Opinion |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | CM109 CiT SC-U119 5.1 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Records | Opinion |- | CMedia CM1197.1ch I2C MCU port Penguin | 0x0D8C | 0x0000 | 0x010 | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Records | Opinion |- | <!--Description-->Sweex 7.1 Startech External USB, WMA Blue metal box SYBA SD-AUD20040, Sabrent USB-SND8, Sewell Vantec NBA-200U (C-Media CM6206 CM106 like) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0d8c | <!--Product ID-->0x0102 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->50/50 if the item is detected but does not work |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Creative Labs SoundBlaster X-fi | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Creative X-Fi Go | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Creative X-Fi 5.1 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Creative Sound Blaster Play! USB sound adapter (SB1140) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> working with [http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=646431&postcount=15 Deneb on OS3] |- | <!--Description-->Asus Xonar U1 (ASUS UA100 USB Audio Chip) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Asus Xonar U3 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Playback | Records | Opinion |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Griffin iMic | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->M-Audio Transit | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Icemat Siberia (steel series) (Cmedia chipset) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->JMTek HY554, ZyXEL NSA-220, Logilink (Tenx Technology TP6911 and SSS-1623 headphone set) | 0x0C76 0x1130 | 0x1605 0x1607 0xf211 | 0x | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> reports on other OS not good |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Plantronics "DSP Adapter-01" (or "USB Adapter-02") | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Rocksmith Real Tone Cable | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->RSA Intruder Predator | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->StarTech ICUSBAUDIO7 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0d8c | <!--Product ID-->0x000c | <!--Revision-->1.00 | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Stoner Acoustics UD100 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Teac UDH01-B | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Terratec Aureon 5.1 USB | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Terratec Aureon 5.1 USB MKII | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->TerraTec Electronic GmbH Aureon Dual USB | 0x0ccd | 0x0077 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Terratec Phase26 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Trust 510 EX 5.1 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Logitech A-5572A USB 2.0 to 3.5mm jacks Virtual 7.1 Surround Sound Adapter or accessory of Logitech Clearchat pro USB or Logitech USB Headset H530 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0003 | <!--Product ID-->0x046D | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Trumix TM-10 USB Audio Interface | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion-->2024 maybe cc |- | <!--Description-->Trumix TM-12 USB-C | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion-->2024 maybe cc usb compliant, |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Turtle Beach Audio Advantage Amigo Micro II USB Sound Card & Headset Adapter | <!--Vendor ID-->0x10F5 | <!--Product ID-->0x0211 | <!--Revision-->0100 | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->Vantec NBA-100U 7.1 Channel | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback-->{{unk| }} | <!--Records-->{{unk| }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Playback--> | <!--Records--> | <!--Opinion--> |} Companies including Access, Alesis, Allen&Heath, American Audio, CME, ESI, Infrasonic, Lexicon, Numark, Presonus, Reloop, SIMS, Sound Devices, Steinberg, Swissonic, Tascam, Terrasoniq, Terratec, Yamaha and Yellowtec decided to license and bundle this driver. So fully functional custom drivers are available for Access Virus TI, Access Virus TI snow, Alesis Multimix 8 USB2.0, Alesis Multimix 16 USB2.0, Allen&Heath XONE:2D, Allen&Heath XONE:3D, Allen&Heath XONE:4D, Allen&Heath XONE:DX, Allen&Heath XONE:DB4, American Audio Versa Port, CME XCORPIO, ESI ESU1808, ESI Gigaport AG / DG, ESI Maya 44 USB, Infrasonic Amon, Lexicon I-ONIX U22, Lexicon I-ONIX U42S, Lexicon I-ONIX U82S, Mindprint DI-MOD USB, Numark DJ IO, Numark NS6, Numark NS7, Numark Omni Control, Numark V7, Presonus Audiobox USB, Reloop Digital Jockey, SIMS Primus, Sound Devices USB pre, Steinberg MI2, Steinberg MI4, Swissonic Easy USB, Tascam M-164UF, Tascam US-122L, Tascam US-144, Tascam US-Tascam US-144mkII 122mkII, Tascam US-200, Tascam US-600, Tascam US-1641, Tascam US-1800, Tascam US-2000, Terratec Area 61, Terrasoniq Phase X64, Terratec Phase 26 USB, Yamaha UW10, Yamaha UW500, Yellowtec PUC2 and many others. Well, those companies are using the same driver framework because all of those interfaces use the same microprocessor/firmware architecture to communicate with the USB bus. Just like almost all FireWire audio interfaces use the same TC Dice or BridgeCo chipsets. Usually it does not make sense for companies to develop their own USB1.1/USB2/FW framework for a product they are going to sell for <$500. However, that isn't the end of the story. The companies who develop audio interfaces implement different features into their devices and must update the driver and firmware to accommodate those features. That is where things can go wrong. Sometimes there is miss-communication about how things are coded, sometimes the developer who started a project leaves without transferring his knowledge to his successor, etc. You have to keep in mind that there are no "big" computer audio companies. Even the companies that seem big in the scale of the market, probably have fewer employees than you'd think. A very well made interface that is designed from scratch from the ground up would be a very expensive device, regardless of whether it's USB, FW, PCIe or whatever. Round-trip latency is the sum of the following: <pre> ASIO input buffer ASIO output buffer A/D D/A converter latency The driver's hidden safety buffer </pre> At a 64-sample ASIO buffer size/44.1k, Tascam units yield ~18ms total round-trip latency. Typical USB audio interfaces use a large hidden safety buffer. This helps ensure glitch-free playback... even under less than ideal circumstances. But... this comes at the expense of much higher round-trip latency. Short of doubling the sample-rate, there's no means of mitigating the higher round-trip latency. If you have no plans of ever monitoring in realtime thru software based EFX/processing (ie: playing/monitoring DI bass thru an AmpSim plugin as you're playing), then this may not matter to you. If you want the ability this play/monitor in realtime thru software based EFX/processing, make sure to get an audio interface that yields low round-trip latency. As a point of reference the best PCI/e audio interfaces yield about 5ms total round-trip latency at a 64-sample ASIO buffer size/44.1k The best Firewire and USB units yield 5.5-5.6ms total round-trip latency at those same settings. Typical USB and Firewire units (that use a large hidden safety buffer) yield 12-18ms total round-trip latency at those same settings. Anything above ~6ms starts to feel sluggish. Anything above ~10ms feels like playing thru molasses. 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CM108 Audio Controller Mic | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0d8c | <!--Product ID-->0x013c | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Elgato WaveMic | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Elgato Wave:1 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2019 no driver }} |- | <!--Description-->Elgato Wave:3 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2019 no driver lightweight }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->hyperx solocast | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2018 no driver}} |- | <!--Description-->hyperx quadcast | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2018 no driver}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Sennheiser CC510 USB | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Opinion |- | <!--Description-->Alesis USB-Mic microphone podcasting kit | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Audio-Technica AT2020 (AT202) AT4040 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Audio-Technica AT2035 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Behringer B1 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Blue Microphones Snowball | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Blue Microphones Snowball iCE | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| cardioid only }} |- | <!--Description-->Blue Microphones Yeti | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|can pick up a lot of background noise but not sure if right mode used }} |- | <!--Description-->Blue Microphones Yeti Pro | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| can pick up a lot of background noise but not sure if right mode used }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->MXL 2001A/600 Studio Microphone Pack / MXL 2003A Studio Condenser | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Microsoft LifeChat LX-3000 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Namtai SingStar(TM) PS2 SCEH-0001 USBMIC | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1415 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision-->0.01 | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| mono microphones }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Neumann | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Razer Seiren X | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Razer Seiren Mini USB Condenser Microphone | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Rockband USB Mic | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Rode NT1A VideoMic Pro | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Rode Podcaster 2 USB | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| RODECaster Pro usb audio compatible}} |- | <!--Description-->Rode NT1A NT2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| NT2 better }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Roland R-07 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Samson Go Mic - Portable USB Microphone for Recording | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| mini usb r.h.s. and clip on the bottom left hand side}} |- | <!--Description-->Samson Go Mic Clip On USB Microphone | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| switch to choose between Cardiod, Omni and -10&nbsp;dB modes, a 3.5mm headphone socket and a USB socket}} |- | <!--Description-->Samson C01U | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| cardoid only}} |- | <!--Description-->Samson C03U | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Shure MV7 USB Podcast Microphone | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Opinion |- | <!--Description-->SONY PCM-D50 handy | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| one mini usb 5V, }} |- | <!--Description-->Sony PCM-M10 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| one mini usb out 5V, }} |- | <!--Description-->SONY | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| one mini usb out, }} |- | <!--Description-->SONY | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| one mini usb out, }} |- | <!--Description-->TASCAM DR-1 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2008, one mini usb out, lithium battery}} |- | <!--Description-->Tascam DR-07 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2009, one mini usb out, aa battery}} |- | <!--Description-->Tascam DR05 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2011, one mini usb port for file transfer and charging the AA batteries }} |- | <!--Description-->Tascam DR-40 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2011 mini usb aa battery }} |- | <!--Description-->Tascam DR-07mkII | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2012 , one mini usb out, }} |- | <!--Description-->Tascam DR-05X | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2019 , one micro usb out, }} |- | <!--Description-->Tascam DR-07X | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2019 , one micro usb out, }} |- | <!--Description-->Tascam DR-40X | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2019 , one micro usb 3 aa battery }} |- | <!--Description-->Tascam DR-05XP | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 , one usb-c , }} |- | <!--Description-->Tascam DR-07XP | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 , one usb-c , }} |- | <!--Description-->Tascam DR-40XP | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 , one usb-c, }} |- | <!--Description-->Tascam DR-100mkIII | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| , usb , }} |- | <!--Description-->Tascam | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| , usb , }} |- | <!--Description-->Zoom H4 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1686 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2006 no driver, mini usb 5V }} |- | <!--Description-->Zoom H2 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1686 | <!--Product ID-->0x0095 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2007 no driver, mini usb 5V audio i/f USB Card and USB Audio; press the Record button when USB Audio is displayed. Press Record again to choose the default }} |- | <!--Description-->Zoom H4n | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1686 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2009 no driver, mini usb 5V }} |- | <!--Description-->Zoom H1 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1686 | <!--Product ID-->0x0120 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2010 no driver, mini usb 5V and display will alternate between USB Card and USB Audio; press the Record button when USB Audio is displayed. Press Record again to choose the default }} |- | <!--Description-->Zoom H2n | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1686 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2011 no driver, mini usb 5V audio i/f press the Record. Press Record again to choose the default }} |- | <!--Description-->Zoom H4n PRO | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1686 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2011 no driver, mini usb 5V }} |- | <!--Description-->Zoom H6 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1686 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2013 untested, 2xlr, 5v mini usb, }} |- | <!--Description-->Zoom H5 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1686 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2014 no driver, 5v mini usb, 2 xlr, }} |- | <!--Description-->Zoom H1n-vp handy | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1686 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2018 no driver, mini usb 5V }} |- | <!--Description-->Zoom H6studio | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1686 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 untested}} |- | <!--Description-->Zoom | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1686 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|no driver}} |- | <!--Description-->Zoom Q3 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1686 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2008 untested usb a cord, no hdmi, 480p}} |- | <!--Description-->Zoom Q3HD Handy Video Recorder | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1686 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2010 untested, built in usb-a cord, mini hdmi, 1 hour on 2 AA batteries, H.264 movies 480p }} |- | <!--Description-->Zoom Q2HD Handy | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1686 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2012 untested, up 720p but no stablisation, mini usb cord, 1 hour on 2 AA batteries}} |- | <!--Description-->Zoom Q4 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1686 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2014 untested, li-ion battery}} |- | <!--Description-->Zoom Q4N | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1686 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2015 untested, li-ion battery}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Opinion |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Audio Technica ATR4697-USB Boundary Microphone | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->CAD Audio CAD USB Condenser Boundary Microphone | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->MXL AC-44 Boundary Conferencing Mic | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Samson Audio SAUB1 Boundary Microphone (USB) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |} USB Speakers {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="50%" |Opinion |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Focal XS 2.1 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- |} USB Headset Wired/Wireless {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="50%" |Opinion |- | Logitech Vantage Wired (came free with PS2 Socom3) | | | | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | Logitech G330 | | | | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | Logitech Premium USB Stereo Headset 350 | | | | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | Plantronics DSP-300 | | | | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | Plantronics GameCom 777 | | | | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Opinion |- | <!--Description-->Wireless | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | Logitech G-930 Wireless | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | [http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/set-usb-wireless-earphones/ Plantronics Audio 995 Wireless RF] | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | Sennheiser Wireless | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- |} [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Be1e0QPIPK0 Mixers] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="50%" |Opinion |- | <!--Description-->ALESIS MULTIMIX 4 CHANNEL USB MIXER | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Alesis - MultiMix 8 USB FX (USB 1.0) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->2010 usb compliant?, up to 16-bit/48kHz, 18v 500mA - |- | <!--Description-->Alesis - MultiMix 8 USB 2.0 FX (USB 2.0) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->2012 usb compliant?, up to 16-bit/48kHz, |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Allen&Heath MixWiz16 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> maybe not usb compliant, |- | <!--Description-->Allen and Heath ZED Power 1000 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no usb 8 xlr, usb-b out, }} |- | <!--Description-->Allen & Heath ZEDi-10 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> maybe not usb compliant, |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Behringer XENYX 302USB | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| 5-Input Mixer/Audio Interface - 1 xlr - }} |- | <!--Description-->Behringer Xenyx Q502USB Mixer | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|no driver}} Behringer 2*18.5V 250ma psu - 1 xlr - phanton power - |- | <!--Description-->Behringer Xenyx Q802USB | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no driver}} Behringer 2*18.5V 250ma psu - 2 xlr - phanton power - |- | <!--Description-->BEHRINGER XENYX 1204USB 8-Channel 2-Bus Mixer USB/Audio Interface Studio/Live | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no driver}} iec kettle psu lead - can develop constant background hiss over time |- | <!--Description-->Behringer XENYX X1222USB | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no driver - 12-Channel Analog Mixer with USB Interface and Effects}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no driver}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no driver}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no driver}} |- | <!--Description-->Depusheng HT-7 HT7USB 7 Channel Audio Mixer | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|2023 cheap no driver, USB MP3 player to work, format your USB stick Fat32 as a Logical drive - not primary}} |- | <!--Description-->Depusheng XT7 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|2025 cheap no driver}} |- | <!--Description-->Depusheng DT8 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|2025 cheap no driver}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no driver}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no driver}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no driver}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no driver}} |- | <!--Description-->Spirit soundcraft Folio FX8 with Lexicon Effects Processor | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no driver}} unusual power connector - [https://github.com/lack/soundcraft-utils usb routing] - |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no driver}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no driver}} |- | <!--Description-->Weymic Professional F7 7-Channel 2-Bus Mixer | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|2022 no driver, cheap mixer with 3pin ac input (introduces noise) and 1 usb-a port}} |- | <!--Description-->Weymic Professional F7-Pro 7-Channel 2-Bus Mixer | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|2022 no driver}} |- | <!--Description-->Weymic A80 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|2024 no driver}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no driver}} |- | <!--Description-->Yamaha | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no driver}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no driver}} |- |} Mixer no hardware usb {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="50%" |Opinion |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no usb}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no usb}} |- | <!--Description-->ALTO Lynx MIX82FX Audio Mixer | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no usb}} |- | <!--Description-->Alto L16 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no usb}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no usb}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no usb}} |- | <!--Description-->Behringer MXUL5 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no usb}} |- | <!--Description-->Behringer MX602A | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no usb}} |- | <!--Description-->Behringer Eurorack UB502 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no usb 17.5V 3pin psu needed}} |- | <!--Description-->Behringer Eurorack UB802 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no usb 2 xlr,}} |- | <!--Description-->Behringer Eurorack UB1002 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no usb 2 xlr,}} |- | <!--Description-->Behringer Eurorack UB1202 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no usb 4 xlr, }} |- | <!--Description-->Behringer Eurorack UB1602 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no usb}} |- | <!--Description-->Behringer RX1602 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no usb}} |- | <!--Description-->Behringer 802 XENYX 8-Input 2-Bus Mixer Small Format Mixer | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no driver}} Behringer 18.5V ???ma psu - 2 xlr - phanton power - |- | <!--Description-->Behringer Xenyx 502 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no usb}} |- | <!--Description-->Behringer Xenyx | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no usb}} |- | <!--Description-->Behringer | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no usb}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no hardware usb connection}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no usb}} |- | <!--Description-->IMG stage Line MMX-122 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no usb, 4 xlr, iec cable}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no hardware usb connection}} |- | <!--Description-->Mackie 802VLZ4 Mackie 802-VLZ4 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no usb , psu}} |- | <!--Description-->Mackie 1202-VLZ Pro | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no usb, mains iec}} |- | <!--Description-->Mackie Mix5 Mixer | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no usb}} 18v 300mA psu - 5 Channel - |- | <!--Description-->Mackie Mix8 Mixer | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no usb}} 9v x2 600mA psu - |- | <!--Description-->Mackie MIX12FX | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no usb, 4 xlr, 9v 500mA x2 psu, }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no hardware usb connection}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no usb}} |- | <!--Description-->[https://www.soundcraft.com/en/product_documents/en/owners_manual Soundcraft] Spirit Folio F1 Fader 100 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no driver}} 16 Channel Mixer - |- | <!--Description-->Soundcraft EPM6 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no hardware usb connection}} |- | <!--Description-->Soundcraft EPM8 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no hardware usb connection}} |- | <!--Description-->Harman Soundcraft EPM 12 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no driver}} iec kettle power lead - |- | <!--Description-->Soundcraft EPM 16 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no driver}} |- | <!--Description-->Soundcraft Notepad 8FX | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no hardware usb connection}} |- | <!--Description-->Soundcraft Notepad UI12 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> connect via wifi |- | <!--Description-->Soundcraft Notepad UI16 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> connect via wifi |- | <!--Description-->Soundcraft Notepad 124FX | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no hardware usb connection, 14.8V x2 3 pin psu}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no hardware usb connection}} |- | <!--Description-->t.mix xmix 1402fx mp usb | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no hardware usb connection, mains iec, }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no hardware usb connection}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no hardware usb connection}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no hardware usb connection}} |- |} ==Webcameras== A USB camera has two dedicated chips: a controller or bridge and an image sensor. There was no Commodore support for video interfaces. The only commercial, now discontinued application that defined some sort of standard was VHI Studio by iospirit. ===OLD standards=== See [http://www.e3b.de/usb/main_supported_e.html support pages] and [http://www.e3b.de/usb/main_faq_e.html here] and some [http://webcam-osx.sourceforge.net/cameras/index.php?orderBy=status further compatibility] Pencam STV680 {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="50%" |Opinion |- | AIPTEK stv680 | 0x0553 | 0x0202 | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | Konica e-mini | 0x04c8 | 0x0722 | | {{N/A|untested }} |- | DigitalDream l'espion XS | 0x1183 | 0x0001 | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | [http://reviews.cnet.com/webcams/creative-webcam-go/1707-6502_7-1446174.html Creative WebCam Go mini] | 0x041e | 0x4007 | | {{N/A|untested}} |- |} SonixcamTool (Sonix webcams and derivates) '''Note [http://amigadev.free.fr/sonix/ some] Sonix Webcams with a Sonix SN9C1xx controller ''and'' a pas106b or tas5110c1b sensor support bulk mode which works even with pciusb.device!''' {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="50%" |Opinion |- | Macally IceCam II | 0x0c45 | 0x05d8 | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | Sweex MiniCam 100K | 0x0c45 | 0x6005 | | {{N/A|untested - sensor tas5110c1b}} |- | Macally IceCam Portable | 0x0c45 | 0x6007 | | {{N/A|untested - sensor tas5110d}} |- | Sweex 100K | 0x0c45 | 0x6009 | 0x0101 | {{yes|bulk works - sensor pas106b}} |- | [http://www.epinions.com/pr-Chicony_TwinkleCam_Webcam/display_~full_specs Chicony Twinkle DC-2110A] | 0x0c45 | 0x600d | | {{no|no}} |- | Unknown | 0x0c45 | 0x601e | | {{no|no}} |- | USB PC Camera (SN9C102) | 0x0c45 | 0x6028 | | {{no|no - sn9c10x + pas202b}} |- | Trust SpaceC@m 120 and 150 | 0x0c45 | 0x6029 | | {{N/A|untested - sensor pas106a}} |- | HiRes Webcam Live | 0x0c45 | 0x602c | | {{no|no - sensor ov7630}} |- | [http://www.sweex.com/en/assortiment/sound-vision/webcams/JA000020 Sweex USB Webcam 300K] | 0x0c45 | 0x608f | | {{no|no - sensor ov7630}} |- | Speedlink Sphere Webcam SL-6820, 350K | 0x0c45 | 0x613c | 0x0101 | {{N/A|untested - sensor HV7131R}} |- | WB-3250P | 0x0c45 | 0x613e | | {{no|no - sensor ov7630}} |- | Unknown | 0x0c45 | 0x6207 | | {{no|no}} |} <pre> micromaxx USB Camera STM 1363 514 works --- USB Tower Lego 1684 1 works need NCQ Trust Spycam 100plus STM 1363 514 works </pre> ov51x.class - no driver {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="50%" |Opinion |- | D-Link VGA Webcam (640x480) | 0x05a9 | 0x8519 | | {{no|no driver}} |- | Sony PS2 EyeToy Logitech/Logicool Black (ov519) SCEH-0004 | 0x054c | 0x0154 | | {{no|no driver}} |- | Sony PS2 EyeToy Namtai Silver (ov519) SLEH-00031 SLEH-00030 | 0x054c | 0x0155 | | {{no|no driver}} |- |} ===UVC.class - [https://www.usb.org/document-library/video-class-v15-document-set USB Device Class Definition for Video Devices or USB Video Class]=== AROS needs realtime isochronous transfers in EHCI and XHCI, then a usb uvc.class which might create a virtual UVC.VHI type device driver for use by AROS apps since 2019 the market is filled with UVC Compliant USB HDMI Capture {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="50%" |Opinion |- | <!--Description-->Acasis 4K30 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|}} |- | <!--Description-->Acasis 4K60 HD VS009 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|4k 60hz ok for chat streams}} |- | <!--Description-->Acasis 4K60 HDMI HDR Game Live Video Capture | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| for chat streams }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->AJA U-tap HDMI | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|}} |- | <!--Description-->ASUS TUF CU4K30 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->ATEN CAMLIVE HDMI to USB-C UVC Video Capture adapter UC3020 HDMI (F) TO USB-C M | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2019 possibly UVC and UAC standard support allows up to 1080P @ 60}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Avermedia Live Streamer Cap 4K - BU113 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x07ca | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2021 uvc usb3}} |- | <!--Description-->AVerMedia GC515 video capturing device | <!--Vendor ID-->0x07ca | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2021 USB 3.2 Gen 1 (3.1 Gen 1)}} |- | <!--Description-->AVerMedia Live Gamer Ultra GC553 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x07ca | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2021 usb3 powered by Type C USB cable and 4K HDMI cable}} |- | <!--Description-->AVerMedia Live Gamer Ultra S GC553PROW 302AGC553DL2 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x07ca | <!--Product ID-->0x1553 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2021 powered by good quality type C USB3 cable and 4K HDMI 2.0 cable}} |- | <!--Description-->AVermedia Live Gamer Mini GC311 302AGC311DG9 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x07ca | <!--Product ID-->0x1311 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2021 uvc compliant up to 1080p 60fps capture and supports internal hardware H.264 encoding }} |- | <!--Description-->AVerMedia Ez Recorder 330 (ER330) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x07ca | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2021 designed to work independently and is generally not compatible as a plug-and-play UVC capture card }} |- | <!--Description-->AVerMedia Live Gamer extreme3 GC551G2 (LGX3) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x07ca | <!--Product ID-->0x3551 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2022 uvc compliant for intensive gaming streams, some vrr but no hdr with maximum recording resolution of 4K30/1080p60 from fully wired usb3 compatible cable - passing through 4K60/1080p120 Game Capture video capturing device HDMI}} |- | <!--Description-->AVerMedia Live Gamer Ultra Pro GC553Pro | <!--Vendor ID-->0x07ca | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2024 usb3 }} |- | <!--Description-->AVerMedia Live Gamer Ultra 2.1 GC553G2 61GC553G20BV video capturing device | <!--Vendor ID-->0x07ca | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 USB 3.2 Gen 1 (3.1 Gen 1)}} |- | <!--Description-->AVerMedia GC575 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x07ca | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 usb3 powered by Type C USB cable and 4K HDMI cable}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->AVMatrix | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->ClonerAlliance Flint 4KP Plus | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->DIGITNOW U600 video capture card | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2022 uvc uac }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Epiphan AV.io HD | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Epiphan AV.io 4K | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Elgato Cam Link 4K | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0FD9 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2018 uvc }} |- | <!--Description-->[https://github.com/elgatosf/capture-device-support Elgato HD60 S+] | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0FD9 | <!--Product ID-->0x006C, 0x006E | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2019 4K 30FPS capture, 1080p 60FPS uvc}} |- | <!--Description-->Elgato HD60 X | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0FD9 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2022 uvc }} |- | <!--Description-->Elgato Cam Link 4K HDMI video capture card | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0FD9 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 uvc compliant but can have usb disconnects}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->EVGA XR1 USB | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2021 USB 3.0 device with 1080/60 capture and 4K/60 passthrough}} |- | <!--Description-->EVGA XR1 lite USB | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2022 USB 3.0 device }} |- | <!--Description-->EVGA XR1 Pro USB | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2021 USB 3.0 device with 1080/60 capture and 4K/60 passthrough}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->EZcap Game Link Raw - ezcap321 usb3.1 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2022 2160p30, 1080p120 and 1440p60 HDMI input and pass-through. - 1080p120, 2160p30 and 1440p60 recording. - Latency less than 50ms uvc}} |- | <!--Description-->EZCap GameDock Ultra | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2022 record at 4K30, 1440p60, and 1080p120}} |- | <!--Description-->EZcap 360 Game Capture Extreme | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2023 USB 3.0, 4K 60FPS passthru and 1080p 240FPS}} |- | <!--Description-->EZCAP 364 GameDock Extreme 2.1 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2024 }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Genki ShadowCast 1 & 2, the Pro version | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->HAUPPAUGE HD PVR Pro 60 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2021 4K in/Out 1080P 60fps Capture and Streaming PC Connected and Stand Alone }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Kondor Blue | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Nanjing Magewell Electronics Co ltd USB 3.0 XI100DUSB-HDMI Pro Capture | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2013 }} |- | <!--Description-->Magewell USB3.0 Silver HDMI Full HD Video Capture Device 1080p 32011 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2013 usb audio extract HDMI embedded audio output via headphones}} |- | <!--Description-->Magewell USB capture HDMI PLUS 2K 32040 320400000 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2014 captures video up to 1920×1200, 1920×1080 or 2048×1080 at 60 fps over an HDMI capture from devices such as game consoles in up to DCI 4Kp60 4:2:0 input resolution, and it automatically upscales/downscales the signal to 2K for recording or streaming}} |- | <!--Description-->Magewell USB capture HDMI Gen2 32060 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2015 1080p gets hot, 165M HDMI receiver, max input 2048x1080 60fps 4:4:4, RGB/YUV 4:4:4 8/10/12-bit, YUY 4:2:2 12-bit, up to 8-channel 24-bit HDMI-embedded audio at 192kHz, HDMI 1.4a, output from 480p to 1080p, YUY2/UYVY/RGB24/RGB32 support video cropping, up/down scaling, de-interlacing, aspect ratio conversion, color format conversion, frame rate conversion, flip and mirror, up to 2-channel IEC60958 audio streams, 5V 0.5A 2.5W, }} |- | <!--Description-->Magewell USB Capture 4K Plus 32090 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2022 limited by the bandwidth of USB 3.0, the maximum frame rate can only reach 30 fps when capturing}} |- | <!--Description-->Magewell USB Capture 4K PRO | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2024 }} |- | <!--Description-->Magewell Pro Convert IP to USB | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|Captures one network eth NDI® High Bandwidth, NDI® HX2, NDI® HX3 sources or H.264/H.265 video source into software at resolutions up to 1080p60}} |- | <!--Description-->Magewell USB Fusion | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|versatile USB video capture device that allows users to switch between two HDMI inputs and one USB webcam input for live presentations}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->ROLAND UVC-01 USB Video Capture | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2020 }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Sunplus Innovation Technology Inc. MiraBox HSV321 ARX321 Video Capture device | <!--Vendor ID-->ox1bcf | <!--Product ID-->0x2c99 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2022 uvc uac }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->UGREEN CM716 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| uvc uac but disable HDCP on your source device (PS4/PS5, Xbox) }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->VisionTek UVC HD60 Capture Card | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- |} {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="50%" |Opinion |- | <!--Description-->Acer Aspire Crystal Eye AOA110 AOA150 0.3M | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|2008 webcam }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|}} |- | <!--Description-->AVerMedia Live Streamer CAM 313 (PW313) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|2019 uvc 1080p/30 webcam}} |- | <!--Description-->AVerMedia Live Streamer DUO | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|2021 uvc 1080p/60 webcam}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|}} |- | <!--Description-->[http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/webcams/creative-live-cam-optia-af-review-49294183/ Creative Live Cam Optia AF] 2.0M | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | {{no|2008 }} |- | <!--Description-->DSLR macro extensions + a cheap 50mm E-Series lens + some PVC tubing and a negative holder | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{yes| if uvc camera chosen}} |- | <!--Description-->DSLR scanning using a macro lens, for the adapter, for a 3d printed negative holder) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{yes| if uvc camera used }} |- | <!--Description-->Logitech C270 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x046d | <!--Product ID-->0x0825 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|720p }} |- | <!--Description-->Logitech C910 C920 HD Pro 5Megapixels 720p | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|Output mjpg 1080p}} |- | <!--Description-->Logitech C920s c922 HD Pro 5Megapixels 1080p | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|Output mjpg 1080p}} |- | <!--Description-->Logitech | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|}} |- | <!--Description-->Logitech Brio 100 300 500 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|}} 1080p |- | <!--Description-->Logitech MX Brio 4k | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|4k}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|}} |- | <!--Description-->Microsoft's LifeCam HD-3000 HD-5000 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x045e | <!--Product ID--> 0x0779 | <!--Revision-->1.06 | <!--Opinion-->{{no|}} |- | <!--Description-->Microsoft LifeCam Cinema | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|}} |- | <!--Description-->Microsoft LifeCam Studio | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|}} sony imx179 1080p |- | <!--Description-->Pi | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|}} 1/2.8” Sony IMX291 image sensor, it's a 2MP, UVC-compliant, ultra-wide-angle, low light, high-speed USB 2.0 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|}} OV5648 |- | <!--Description-->razer kiyo | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|}} 4 megapixel sensor 1080p 30fps 720p 60fps - 12 led ring light adjustable |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|}} |- | <!--Description-->TeckNet C068 1.3mpixel HTD USB2.0 Camera Vimicro Z-Star Corp | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0AC8 | <!--Product ID--> 0x3420 | <!--Revision-->0x01FA | <!--Opinion-->{{no|}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|}} |- | <!--Description-->YEALINK(XIAMEN) NETWORK UVC50 is compatible with the UVC 1.1 protocol CP960-UVC50 and CP960-UVC80 kits PTZ, CP960-UVC30 Kit is UVC 1.5 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|}} |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Opinion |- | <!--Description-->Amcrest ProHD 1080P WiFi Wireless IP Security Camera - 1080P (1920TVL), [https://www.ispyconnect.com/man.aspx%3Fn%3DAmcrest IP2M-841] nvr | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|}} h264/rtsp, motion detection, features Sony image sensor and Ambarella processor - rtsp://[username]:[password]@[IPaddress]:[port]/cam/realmonitor?channel=[channel]&subtype=[stream] - [username] - username to login to the DVR or NVR, [password] - password, [IPaddress] - IP address of the device. If you are not on the same local network, this should be the external IP address of the device's network, [port] - port number, [channel] - channel number of the stream, [stream] - view the Main or Sub stream. (main stream is 0, sub stream is 1) , eg. rtsp://admin:admin@192.108.1.108:80/cam/realmonitor?channel=1&subtype=1 - utilizing RTSP ( rtsp://user:pass@ipcam1 ) |- | <!--Description-->Axis all modern ones | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|}} RTSP/RTP + H264/mjpeg or MJPEG over HTTP |- | <!--Description-->PTZ | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|}} |- | <!--Description-->DLink DCS-5222 5222L network camera | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|}} camera streams H.264 over RTP controlled by RTSP |- | <!--Description-->Dlink DCS900 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|}} |- | <!--Description-->Sony | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|}} |- | <!--Description-->Wansview 1080p [http://marc.merlins.org/perso/linuxha/post_2013-11-10_Reviewing-IP-Webcams-for-Linux-and-Zoneminder_Dlink-DCS900_-Ubnt-Aircam_-Foscam-FI8904W-FI8910W_-FFI9820W_-FI9821W_-Wansview-NCB541W_-and-Zavio-F3210.html#NCM625GA NCM625GA] IP Camera WiFi Wireless IP Security Camera , Full HD Plug n Play Home Surveillance / Baby Monitor | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|}} RTSP/RTP + H264/mjpeg - play its HD stream without problem with vlc rtsp://ip/live/ch0 and getting jpegs http://ipaddr/mjpeg/snap.cgi?chn=0 - methods involve transcoding h.264 video from the camera into jpeg's, which is cpu intensive - able to pull images manually, using http://username:password@ip/mjpeg/snap.cgi - |- | <!--Description-->Wansview NCB541W | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|}} |- |} {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="50%" |Opinion |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No| not uvc}} |- | <!--Description-->Avermedia Game Capture HD C281 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|2011 standalone h.264 recording of up to component cable not hdmi but not uvc}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Avermedia GL310 Live Gamer Portable (LGP Lite) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|2014 not working usb2 and USB Lite no uvc}} |- | <!--Description-->Avermedia AVerMedia Live Gamer Portable ([https://github.com/Trouffman/octv_gears_lgp Model C875]) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|2014 usb2 no uvc}} |- | <!--Description-->AVerMedia LGX Live Gamer extreme GC550 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|2015 but [https://github.com/ChrisAJS/lgx2userspace driver]}} |- | <!--Description-->AVerMedia LGX2 Live Gamer extreme2 gc550 plus gc551 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|2017 but [https://github.com/ChrisAJS/lgx2userspace driver]}} |- | <!--Description-->Avermedia ExtremeCap UVC - BU110 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x07ca | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|2017 maybe not uvc and uac}} |- | <!--Description-->AVerMedia Live Gamer Portable 2 Plus GC513 Micro-USB Capture Box LGP2 Plus | <!--Vendor ID-->0x07ca | <!--Product ID-->0x1513 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|2017 powered by a standard Micro-USB cable, video capture output up to 1080p60 capture to hdmi in, standalone sd card recording on exFAT or FAT32 of .MOV, 2160p pass-through hdmi out to tv - no vrr - [https://www.avermedia.com/uk/support/download#ans_part firmware latest 2.1.7.13, 2.1.7.14], SN74AVC8T245 8bit, DRV604 stereo, iTE IT6663FN hdmi 2.0 splitter, TLV320DAC3101 DAC, CS42L73 audio codec, CDCE913 PLL clock, W29N01HVSINA nand bios, I-Catch V35MA SOC CPU 32bit MIPS24K, ADV7480 hdmi mhl, }} |- | <!--Description-->AVerMedia Live Gamer 4K LG4K GC573 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|2018 not uvc but [https://github.com/derrod/lg4k-linux drivers here], }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No| not uvc }} |- | <!--Description-->Blackmagic intensity Extreme Capture Card | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|2011 not uvc }} |- | <!--Description-->BlackMagic Intensity Pro 4k | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|2015 }} |- | <!--Description-->Elgato Video Capture (1VC108601000) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No| not uvc }} |- | <!--Description-->Elgato Game Capture HD60 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No| not uvc, }} |- | <!--Description-->Elgato Game Capture HD GCHD | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No| not uvc https://github.com/tolga9009/elgato-gchd needs firmware mb86h57_h58_idle.bin and mb86h57_h58_enc_h.bin}} |- | <!--Description-->Elgato HD60S Elgato Game Capture 4K60 S+ Video Capture | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|non uvc, }} |- | <!--Description-->August EZCap.tv model 116 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No| }} poor audio recording |- | <!--Description-->E-SDS Diamond Maplin | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No| not uvc }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No| not uvc }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No| not uvc }} |- | <!--Description-->Hauppauge 1212 HD PVR | <!--Vendor ID-->0x2040 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No| }} analog and component only - PlayStation (.m2ts), AVCHD (ts), or XBox(.mp4) recording formats - switched the component output from the default YPbPr to RGB. |- | <!--Description-->Hauppauge 1431 1445 HD PVR Gaming Edition HDMI Capture | <!--Vendor ID-->0x2040 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|2014 not working, can get warm}} |- | <!--Description-->Hauppauge HD Rocket | <!--Vendor ID-->0x2040 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No| not uvc}} |- | <!--Description-->Hauppauge HD-PVR2 (model 145210 Rev E4) | <!--Vendor ID-->0x2040 | <!--Product ID-->0xE502 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No| not uvc }} |- | <!--Description-->Hauppauge 1480 1482 HD PVR 2 GE Gaming Edition HDMI Capture green LED - 1498 1503 1504 Plus version with Mac support | <!--Vendor ID-->0x2040 | <!--Product ID-->0xe514 0xe524 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No| can get warm - [https://ez.analog.com/video/w/documents/581/adv7482-design-support-files ADV7482] [https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/9201075/ video chip] with Magnum DXT H.264 encoder blob, IDR keyframe generation poor - best for model 157210 and not 157221 and Game Edition Plus (model 157320) 2040:E505 E505-00-00AF1234 [http://www.hauppauge.com/site/support/linux.html#tabs-3 ]}} * HDMI: 1920x1080p50/60, 1920x1080i50/60, 1280x720p50/60, 720x480i, 720x576i, 640x480p60. * Component: 1920x1080p50/60, 1920x1080i50/60*, 1280x720p50/60, 720x480p60, 720x480i, 720x576i. * Composite: 720x480i and 720x576i * Audio Inputs : HDMI PCM and RCA support with Adjustable Bitrate Quality 2 Channel AAC/AC3 audio codec |- | <!--Description-->Hauppauge 1512 HD PVR 2 PC blue LED with optical in input on the back | <!--Vendor ID-->0x2040 | <!--Product ID-->0xe525 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No| }} can get quite warm - IR Blaster added - |- | <!--Description-->Hauppauge Colossus2 E585-00-00AF4321 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x2040 | <!--Product ID-->0xe585 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No| not uvc}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No| not uvc }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No| not uvc }} |- | <!--Description-->Ion SLIDES2PC 35mm Portable Slide & Film Scanner | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No| not uvc }} |- | <!--Description-->Ion Pics 2 PC | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No| not uvc }} |- | <!--Description-->ION PowerScan USB film and slide scanner | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|2011 not uvc }} |- | <!--Description-->Koolertron Sunny | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No| not uvc }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No| not uvc }} |- | <!--Description-->FilmScan35 35mm Film Negative Scanner 1304 marks spencer | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No| not uvc }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No| not uvc }} |- | <!--Description-->U3 HD Capture | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No| not uvc }} |- | <!--Description-->Razer Ripsaw HD - Game Capture | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No| not uvc}} put in usb2 slot and use video BGR3 (Emulated) and OpenRazer drivers |- | <!--Description-->Razer Ripsaw HD USB HDMI Capture Card | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1532 | <!--Product ID-->0x0d01 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no| not uvc compliant}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No| not uvc }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No| not uvc }} |- | <!--Description-->Silvercrest 35mm Photo Slide Scanner | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No| not uvc but not great quality}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No| not uvc }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No| not uvc }} |- | <!--Description-->Z-Star Microelectronics Corp. Traveler TV 6500 SF Dia-scanner | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0ac8 | <!--Product ID-->0x3370 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|2010 not uvc and poor scans}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No| not uvc }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No| not uvc }} |- |} === AR VR XR Headset === AROS needs realtime isochronous transfers in EHCI and XHCI, then an usb based uvc.class to vhi type driver for virtual display and maybe more The primary engineering challenge of VR is motion sickness caused by a mismatch of visual and inner ear information, which is extremely well established as causing people to throw up in a wide range of contexts outside of VR. The experiences that make some people sick are low framerate. Foveated rendering doesn't solve vergence accommodation. Your eye will still be focused at infinity regardless of where you are looking, you'll just have the illusion that the foreground or background are out of focus. Eye tracking plus dynamic lenses (perhaps liquid lenses) or real light fields are necessary. First start with apps that have simple static features at first, then advance to dioramasa and teleportation options for 10, 20 minutes and then gradually upgrade over a timespan of four weeks to train your brain. Avoid smooth motion stuff like rollercoaster or mountain heights until much later. Even with this preparation, VR makes 40% of people seasick nausea. If so, you may be able to use VR glasses just to watch videos and some slow moving apps [https://www.emuvr.net/ emuVR] instead. *2014-2019 1st Gen, low resolution, *2020-2025 2nd Gen, higher resolution, *2026- Most hardware typically has a 1-3 year retail lifespan with 1-3 years of updates after. Really need "right" tethered PCVR rather than wireless. The advantage to being tethered to a PC is processing power. Any standalone headset is going to be running purely off of batteries. VR and AR are known as XR Technology will get immersed enough so not making people sick. Higher resolution, faster frame rates, and [https://github.com/opentrack/opentrack better tracking]. Eventually, hyper reality brings VR, AR and MR digital layers together as a less chaotic, optic tracking with no delay, agents understanding, experiences with objects 3Dgs 4Dgs gassian splats bullet time slice photo snaps .ply for WebXR [https://lvra.gitlab.io/docs/hardware/ ], {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="50%" |Opinion |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Big Screen Beyond 1 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2023 pcvr 2560 x 2560, fixed IPD, }} |- | <!--Description-->bigscreen Beyond 2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 pcvr oled 5120 x 2560 @75Hz 2688x2688 @90Hz over pancake lenses, 116 FOV, virtual screens, custom facial plate from iphone app, streamvr 2.0 basestations and controllers not included, no passthrough, 107g-196g, }} |- | <!--Description-->bigscreen Beyond 2e | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2026 pcvr oled 5120 x 2560 total up to 90Hz pancake lens 116 FOV adjustable IPD app needed for adjustment, eye tracking, custom face mask cushion, streamvr 2.0 basestations and controllers not included, seperate head strap and speaker modules extra costs, 110g-300g }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Dpvr P1 Pro 4k Ultra Vr Headset | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2024 wireless snapdragon, }} |- | <!--Description-->DPVR P2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Play for Dream MR | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 android modular 3840x3552 uoled per eye 90Hz or qled mura issues, Arm snapdragon XR2+ Gen 2, eye tracking and 11 cameras 7 sensors 22 ir leds 14ms latency and foveated rendering, 1.5hrs battery, }} |- | <!--Description-->Play for Dream GravityXR | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2026 ultralight head gear gx100 3w }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->[https://lvra.gitlab.io/docs/community/ Valve Index HMD] | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2019 tethered PC VR headset 1440 x 1600 120Hz, 108° and 104° FOV, fresnel lenses, SteamVR2 compatible tracking ir basestations, controllers aka Knuckles, dp 1.2 and usb3 cable proprietary cable end, no battery, }} |- | <!--Description-->Valve Steam Frame (Valve Deckard / Valve’s Index 2) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2026 - 2160 x 2160 up to 144Hz pancake lens, 108° and 96° FOV, wifi 6 fovelated streaming, Qualcomm Snapdragon 8 Gen 3 with [https://github.com/FEX-Emu/FEX fex] arm-to-x86 x64 translation layer, }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Sony PSVR2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|2023 PCVR with adapter, two, one for each eye, 2000 x 2040 resolution OLED panels from 90Hz 120Hz refresh rates, fresnel lenses, 116° and 102° FOV, sony proprietary headset cable end, needs additional comfort options, }} |- | <!--Description-->VisionPro | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Opinion |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Goertek glasses | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->HTC Vive ? | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No| 2016 2x 1080x1200 needs external power supply, }} |- | <!--Description-->HTC Vive Original | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2016 108° and 96° FOV}} |- | <!--Description-->HTC Vive Pro | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2016 , uvc, at least 2 powered steamvr basestations so 3 to 5 wall warts in total, proprietary cable end, }} |- | <!--Description-->HTC Vive Pro 2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2017 dual 1440x1600 oled displays, 116° and 100° FOV - steamvr 2.0 basestation 2 for 5m2 area 4 for 10m2 - steamvr 2.0 joypads - low latency wireless later - type USB-c headphone adapter required, [https://github.com/CertainLach/VivePro2-Linux-Driver Rust on Linux] with [https://github.com/santeri3700/vive-pro-2-on-linux Shell], proprietary cable end, }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Lynx R1 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2023 android Qualcomm Snapdragon XR2 Gen 1, }} |- | <!--Description-->Lynx R2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|2026 company liquidated, 2 x 2312x2160 110 FOV pancake lenses, LynxOS android Qualcomm Snapdragon XR2 Gen, openxr 1.1, }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Oculus Rift prototype development kit [https://www.virtual-boy.com/forums/t/the-oculus-rift-dk1-thread/ DK1] with [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_T4DJyy2Bo wired razer hydra controllers] | <!--Vendor ID-->0x2833 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|2013 pcvr LCD 1280 × 800 resolution 640 × 800 per eye up to 110° FOV, and 3DoF rotational tracking via a 1000Hz 9-axis IMU (Accelerometer, gyroscope, and magnetometer), no positional optical tracking either inside-out or outside-in, 380g, nausea issues, , }} |- | <!--Description-->Oculus Rift prototype development kit [https://github.com/facebookarchive/RiftDK2/tree/master DK2], [https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Oculus+Rift+Development+Kit+2+Teardown/27613 ifixit teardown] | <!--Vendor ID-->0x2833 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|2014 pcvr, 5.7" Super AMOLED display with a resolution of 960 x 1080 per eye 100° field of view, 1 usb Positional Tracker DK2 camera, lots of wires}} |- | <!--Description-->Facebook [https://github.com/thaytan/OpenHMD/tree/rift-kalman-filter Oculus Rift CV1] [https://noraisin.net/diary/?m=202201 some Linux support] [] [https://github.com/OpenHMD/OpenHMD/issues/330 AMD usb issues] [https://github.com/OpenHMD/OpenHMD/wiki/Xorg ] [https://github.com/Doc-Ok/OculusRiftCV1Camera Live Video] [https://www.youtube.com/@thaytan Youtube] [https://github.com/Fredrum/riftOnLinux Pi] [https://github.com/OhioIon/riftDriverPi ], but not quite there with the [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSsCN6HFkWc consumer CV1], [https://forum.dcs.world/topic/142259-cv1-not-working-in-dcs/#comment-2878168 orange led could be HDMI Signal is not within HDMI Spec and might be Overclocked or usb3 not getting enough power frustrating], | <!--Vendor ID-->0x2833 | <!--Product ID-->0x3031, 0x2031, 0x0031 and 0x0211 for 3p-a basestations lighthouses, 0x045e 0x02e6 for xbox wireless adapter | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|2016 powered run from your PC maybe uvc via wired dual PenTile OLED 2160x1200 (1080x1200 per eye) @ exactly 90Hz but screen door effect (space between pixels), 87 FOV, IPD from 58mm to 72mm, good 3D audio and okay mic, constellation headset 6DOF (3-axis rotational tracking + 3-axis positional tracking) with up to 3 usb infrared basestation (1 in front and 2 behind pointing upwards) on usb3 and usb2 to your PC but the tracking can be fragile so set it up on a weekly basis, wired only HDMI 1.3, USB 3.0 bus powered with proprietary plug in headset, 470g 1lb front heavy, 2 robust 1st Gen touch controllers with external sensors i.e. outside-in - 1 aa alkaline over rechargable battery each , press occulus and B buttons for 2 secs to connect, headset traps air so gets very warm inside and random disconnects due to twisting action on the top of the headset and/or cables, t4 torx screws }} |- | <!--Description-->Facebook Occulus Go 32Gb | <!--Vendor ID-->0x2833 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|2018 discontinued 2020 android based, 1280x1440 per eye 60Hz LCD, not gaming, no inside-out and limited self tracking, }} |- | <!--Description-->Facebook Oculus Rift S [https://noraisin.net/diary/?m=202201 some Linux support] | <!--Vendor ID-->0x2833 | <!--Product ID-->0x0051 headset (cdc, audio, tracking data), 0x2052 usb hub, | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|2019 PCVR wired dual LCD 1080 by 1200, 88 horizontal FOV, display port (fibre optic strands) and annoying USB3 copper cables (power, audio and other data) but proprietary port in the headset, cameras on the headset ("inside-out") tracking so no base stations, non removeable head band and cushions and ipd hard to set, requires specific fragile Rift S/Quest1 2nd Gen Touch controllers which has a ring of translucent plastic with leds inside - t5 torx to disassemble for sticks drifting}} |- | <!--Description-->Facebook Occulus Quest 1 *032Gb *064Gb | <!--Vendor ID-->0x2833 | <!--Product ID-->0x0183 (single adb boot), 0x0 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|2019 android standalone wireless, 1440 x 1600 72Hz oled, front heavy though, play area 2m x 2m or bigger, low clocked Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 (MSM8998) (4x Kryo 280 Gold cores ARM Cortex-A73) + (4x Kryo 280 Silver A53), 2 to 3 hrs play time, 575g, 2nd Gen touch controllers, }} |- | <!--Description-->Meta Oculus Quest 2 KW49CM aka Codename Del Mar [https://www.meta.com/en-gb/help/quest/967070027432609/ fragile 3rd Gen Touch controllers] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cgejky8ZeoM internal battery] and selling over 20 million, more than all other quest headsets combined *064Gb *128Gb (110Gb free) *256Gb Setup continuous wifi, create Meta Oculus account, [https://developers.meta.com/horizon/ verify dev account, click on My apps], [ create Organization -> My Organization Groupings], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPInS5xxF-0 finally, meta quest mobile app to switch on adb], | <!--Vendor ID-->0x2833 | <!--Product ID-->0x5010 (), 0x0083 (massstorage), 0x0086 (), 0x0186 (adb and xrsp [https://github.com/shinyquagsire23/xrsp_tests tests]), 0x0090 (composite adb), 0x0081 (), | <!--Revision-->0419 | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2021 android stand alone, lcd 1832x1920 per-eye 90Hz refresh rate, 97 FOV, fresnel lenses, 6DOF (degrees of freedom), 58-63-68 IPD settings, low clocked Arm snapdragon xr2 gen 1 apps with Meta Link cable USB-C usb3.2 pcvr maybe, b/w but no color passthrough, 6 t2 torx and 5 ph00 screws in headset (long bit), discontinued December 31, 2024, feature updates until December 2026, critical bug fixes and security updates until December 2027, 470g, Oculus + B button on right controller (move) and Menu + Y button on left controller (click) for about 3 seconds, 10W 5v 2a, RTL8153 chipset usb support, *V60 unable to *V77 pcvr issues *V79 unable to }} |- | <!--Description-->Facebook Occulus Quest Pro aka Codename Seacliffe | <!--Vendor ID-->0x2833 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|2022 android standalone wireless 1440 x 1600 72Hz oled, 106° and 96° FOV mini lcd local dimming, pancake lenses, limited eye tracking, play area 2m x 2m or bigger, higher clocked snapdragon xr2 gen 1 arm cpu Arm apps, 1 to 2 hrs play time, new pro controllers with 3 cameras each, battery at rear, wireless charging, color passthrough, 9V 3A or 5V 3A, *v77 capped wifi }} |- | <!--Description-->Meta Oculus Quest 3 aka Codename Eureka [ Air Light ALVR] or [ WiVRn] with fragile touch plus q3 controllers *128Gb *512Gb streaming from PC with [https://github.com/alvr-org/Monado-ALVR ALVR], runtime of [https://monado.freedesktop.org/ Monado steamvr alternative openxr openVR], with Envision GUI, | <!--Vendor ID-->0x2833 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2023 standalone, pancake lenses on lcd 2064 x 2208 res panel per eye 1200ppi - 104° and 96° FOV - up to 120Hz, Arm snapdragon xr2 gen 2 apps, foveated rendering, Meta Link cable USB-C 3.2, headstrap clamshell or halo style, speaker arms fragile, color passthrough, 510g, 18W 9v 2A or 15W 5V 3A, *v74 ok }} *v76 pcvr issues }} |- | <!--Description-->Meta Quest 3S aka Codename Ventura *128Gb *256Gb | <!--Vendor ID-->0x2833 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2024 Arm snapdragon xr2 gen 2 cpu, lcd 1832 x 1920 fresnel lenses, 97 FOV, headphone arms fragile, better air flow, no promixity sensor inside, Meta Link cable USB-C 3.2, passthrough, }} |- | <!--Description-->Meta Boba 3 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x2833 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2027 ultra-wide 180° x 120° FOV, snapdragon XR2 G2, }} |- | <!--Description-->Meta Tiramisu | <!--Vendor ID-->0x2833 | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2027 µOLED displays with 90 pixels per degree, }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Pimax 5K Super Plus | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2019 }} |- | <!--Description-->Pimax 8K | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2020 }} |- | <!--Description-->Pimax 8K-X 8KX | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2021 }} |- | <!--Description-->Pimax Crystal Light | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 tethered to PC with 2160 x 2160 4k 120Hz, 115° and 96° FOV, inside-out tracking, no battery, display port cable, variable qc and customer service, }} |- | <!--Description-->Pimax Crystal Super | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 tethered to PC with 3640 x 3640 4k 90hz, 116°+ and 100° FOV, eye tracking, inside-out tracking, no battery, display port cable, }} |- | <!--Description-->Pimax Dream Air with Lighthouse(s) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2026 tethered 3840 by 3552 @90Hz micro oled with pancake lens, 100 HFOV 96 VFOV but FOV IPD changes in app, link box for headset 2 split y cables, removable face gasket, 290g, steamVR2 bases and controllers, eye tracking, }} |- | <!--Description-->Pimax Dream Air SLAM | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2026 Simultaneous Localization and Mapping (SLAM) tracking inside-out so no base stations, }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->[https://somniumspace.com/ Somnium VR One VR1] [https://portal.vrgineers.com/user-guide/software/ open source] VR headset | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 pcvr 2880 x 2880 per eye @90 @120Hz, 125° horizontal 100° vertical FOV, 2 x SteamVR 2.0 bases, passthrough, 900g }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Varjo Aero VR-1 Headset | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2022 psu needed, 2 x Mini LED binocular of 150 nits, 2880x2720 per, 90Hz, FOV 102° horizontal, 73° vertical, 720g with headstrap, 2 x SteamVR 2.0 basestations, no speakers/mic, hdmi and usb3.0}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Varjo Aero XR-3 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Varjo Aero XR-4 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Opinion |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Camelo La Melaza Music Shield | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|2026 no usb only bluetooth , }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->InAir 2 elite suite | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 ar nits 46FOV , , 4h battery life, 80g, }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Oakley Vanguard | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->RayNeo Air 3s | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 AR 100in 46FOV 650nits, usb-c 79g }} |- | <!--Description-->RayNeo Air 3S Pro | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 AR 135in virtual display 46FOV 1200nits, usb-c 80g }} |- | <!--Description-->RayNeo Air 4 Pro | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2026 AR oled vision 4000 processing, HDR10, 47 FOV }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Rokid Max 2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 ar 147in 50 FOV 650nits, usb-c back left, 76g, }} |- | <!--Description-->Rokid AI Spatial with Station 2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 AR 600nits 147in 50FOV 75g, }} |- | <!--Description-->Rokid | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| ar ai smart glass}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Viture Pro | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 135in 46 FOV 1000nits, magnetic connector, 77g, }} |- | <!--Description-->VITURE XR Luma | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 ar 147in 1200p 50 FOV, }} |- | <!--Description-->Viture Luma Pro | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 152in 52 FOV 1000nits 1200p, 3dof, , 79g, }} |- | <!--Description-->Viture Luma Ultra | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 in FOV, 2 cameras, 3dof 6dof, }} |- | <!--Description-->[https://github.com/wheaney/XRLinuxDriver Viture Luma Pro] | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Viture Beast | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 ar 1250nits 58FOV 174in, magnetic, 88g, }} |- | <!--Description-->VITURE Beast X Glasses models (Immersive 3D Moonlight) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2026 based 2D to 3D conversion with support DP Alt Mode (DisplayPort over USB-C), 1200p, 3df tracking, practic lenses 58deg POV, }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Xreal One | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 ar 600nits, 50FOV, 3dof, usb-c 84g, }} |- | <!--Description-->XReal One Pro | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 ar 700nits 57FOV 171in, usb-c, x1 3dof, }} |- | <!--Description-->Nreal now Xreal Air | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 , micro-oled 1080p, audio, virtual uvc ar displays, }} |- | <!--Description-->Nreal now Xreal Real3D 1S | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2026 AI based 2D to 3D conversion 57 FOV, , virtual uvc ar displays not vr, }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Xiami XR | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Xtal 8k | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Opinion |- | <!--Description-->Apple Vision Pro | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|2022 tethered AR mixed reality glasses, 3300ppi, 800g, }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Google XR | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->HTC Vive Focus | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2018 standalone }} |- | <!--Description-->HTC Vive Focus Plus | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2018 android with 2 1440 x 1600 75Hz amoled, inside-out, durable motion controllers, Vive port, }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->HTC Vive Pro EYE | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|2019 dual-OLED displays 2880 x 1600 combined resolution), SteamVR 2.0 tracking, foveated rendering, Tobii, it enables gaze-based menu navigation with avatar eye contact, proprietary cables, }} |- | <!--Description-->HTC Vibe Cosmos | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|2018 poor tracking and lifespan on controllers, }} |- | <!--Description-->HTC Vibe Cosmos Elite | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|2020 1440x1700 per eye resolution, 90 Hz refresh rate, 6 DoF tracking, 2880 x 1700 combined pixel resolution, 97° FoV, two controllers and two base stations. Lighthouse tracking, }} |- | <!--Description-->HTC Vive Focus Vision Wired | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No| }} |- | <!--Description-->HTC Vive Focus 3 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2021 per-eye resolution of 2448×2448 at 90 Hz, a 120-degree field of view, Qualcomm Snapdragon XR2 Gen 1, }} |- | <!--Description-->HTC Vive XR Elite VR Headset Deluxe Pack | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|2022 snapdragon xr2 gen 1, }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Pico Goblin | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2017 android based, 2.5K 1280x1440 per eye @70Hz, 92° FoV, and 3DoF (three degrees of freedom) tracking (Orientation tracking only—yaw, pitch, roll), single controller, snapdragon 820, ipd adjustment 54-71 mm, 600g, }} |- | <!--Description-->ByteDance Pico G2 4K | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2020 android standalone VR headset, 3840 x 2160 (4K) LCD screen, Snapdragon 835 processor, 3DoF so rotational movement (looking around, pointing) rather than positional movement (walking, leaning), does not support hand or eye tracking, 800g }} |- | <!--Description-->ByteDance Pico NEO 2 EYE | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2020 6DoF 360g snapdragon 845 display 4k 75Hz tracking inside-out - magnetic field for controllers - pico software on android 8 - eye tracking }} |- | <!--Description-->ByteDance Pico Neo 3 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2022 Snapdragon XR2 Gen, 4K 3664 x 1920 90Hz lcd, battery at rear, displayport, Pico apparently emulates Oculus controllers, }} |- | <!--Description-->ByteDance Pico Neo 3 Pro | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2022 }} |- | <!--Description-->ByteDance Pico Neo 3 Link | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2022 }} |- | <!--Description-->ByteDance Pico 4 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2023 2160x2160 panel per eye 75Hz 90Hz 105 FOV, Arm snapdragon xr gen 1, }} |- | <!--Description-->ByteDance Pico 4 ultra | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2023 2160 x 2160 @90 105 FOV, snapdragon XR2 G2, streaming from PC with alvr, wireless streaming from PC with WiVRn, Pico apparently emulates Oculus controllers, not plug and play, }} |- | <!--Description-->ByteDance Pico 5 aka Project Swan aka Vision Pro Competitor | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2026 micro-oled BOE 3840 x 3840 4000ppi per eye, MLA pancake lenses, custom pico arm cpu, pico os 6 android, eye and hand tracking, 300g, }} |- | <!--Description-->ByteDance Pico | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Samsung Galaxy XR VR | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 3552 x 3840 @60-90 109 FOV , Arm snapdragon XR2+ Gen 2, }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Shiftall MeganeX 8K | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2024 android }} |- | <!--Description-->[https://en.shiftall.net/products/meganex8k MeganeX Superlight 8K] | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 android (3552 x 3840 pixels) into pixel count yields 27.27MP 10-bit HDR-compatible 4K resolution micro OLED panels @90Hz, pancake lenses 94 FOV, SteamVR™ tracking, 180g, 5V 2A, }} |- | <!--Description-->[https://en.shiftall.net/products/meganex8kmk2 MeganeX 8K Mk2 MkII] [https://github.com/sboys3/CustomHeadsetOpenVR community] | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2026 pcvr linux, 4K per eye (1.35inch micro OLED 3552x3840 10 bit HDR) 27MP @90Hz 75Hz 72Hz pancake, upto 108 hor 100 vert FOV, usb-c and dp cables to breakout box, 5V 2.1A, 200g}} |- | <!--Description-->Shiftall | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2026 }} |- | <!--Description-->Shiftall | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Opinion |- | <!--Description-->Acer Windows(TM) MR AH101 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2018 Dual 2.89” LCD panels 2880 x 1440 combined (1440 x 1440 per eye) Up to 90Hz (HDMI 2.0), or 60Hz (HDMI 1.4), Field of View FOV 95, Tracking Inside-out, lots of light leak, }} |- | <!--Description-->Acer H7001 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2017 wmr 1440 x 1440 per-eye resolution @90Hz refresh rate, and 100-degree field of view FOV, inside-out tracking with front-mounted cameras so no external sensors, flip-up visor design but has a "screen door effect," subpar foam padding, win10 to win11 24H2, }} |- | <!--Description-->Dell Visor Mixed Reality VRP100 VR118 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2017 2x 1440x1440 a bit of nose light leak }} |- | <!--Description-->Fujitsu | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2017 cheap and lots of light leak }} |- | <!--Description-->[https://github.com/HadesVR HadesVR] with [https://github.com/ManoloMancelli/Persephone-Classic-Controller Persephone Controller] | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFaVjB1uNOM Persephone 3 Pro DiY 6Dof SteamVR Headset], | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->HP Reverb G1 VR1000 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2019 WMR 2160 x 2160 @90Hz, 115 FOV, , hp proprietary headset cable end, 2 camera tracking but poor and controllers can be unresponsive, 500g front heavy, flight sims rather than gaming, }} |- | <!--Description-->HP 1440p Spatial Computing | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2019 dim display }} |- | <!--Description-->[https://forums.x-plane.org/forums/topic/294764-vr-in-linux-without-steam/ HP Reverb G2] WMR VR3000 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2020 2 2160 x 2160 90Hz, needs Windows10 or Win 11 24H2, 4 camera tracking, controllers can be unresponsive, hp proprietary headset cable end, , }} |- | <!--Description-->HP | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Mirage Solo is a Standalone VR headset | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2018 Qualcomm Snapdragon 835, 1280x1440 per eye resolution, 75 Hz refresh rate, }} |- | <!--Description-->Lenovo Explorer VR2511N (G0A2) VR windows mixed reality (WMR) | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2018 LCD 2.89" 1440 x 1440 per eye @90Hz, 6 DOF position tracking, 400g, }} |- | <!--Description-->[https://github.com/relativty/relativty open source relativty] | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Samsung MHD Odyssey XE800ZAA WMR | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2018 9V 500mA oled screens 2x 1440x1600 with usb3 and hdmi cables but bluetooth dongle required }} |- | <!--Description-->Samsung MHD Odyssey+ Plus WMR | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2019 dual 3.5-inch AMOLED displays 2880 x 1600 total @90Hz, 6DOF inside-out tracking with usb3 and hdmi cables but bluetooth dongle required, use only win10 or win11 24H2, }} |- | <!--Description-->Sony PSVR | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|2016 2x 1080x960 up to 120Hz, lots of cables and computation brick, sony camera needed for tracking, ps4 or move controllers, }} |- | <!--Description-->Virtuality | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|1992 , , Amiga 3000 with TI chips, }} |- | <!--Description-->Virtuix Omni | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2013 VR treadmill changed course to commercial VR and pivotted back again 2020, }} |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Opinion |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- |} === HDMI CEC transmitter and receiver === {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="50%" |Opinion |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- |} === TV Remote Control MCE IR transmitter and receiver === {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="50%" |Opinion |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->Compro K100 K300 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|need extra software support}} |- | <!--Description-->Elitegroup Computer Systems | <!--Vendor ID-->0x1019 | <!--Product ID-->0x0f38 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->GMYLE MCE | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{Maybe|acts as usb-hid with limited keyboard like controls }} |- | <!--Description-->Hauppauge WinTV-PVR kit | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->Logitech Harmony 300 i300 600 650 800 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|need extra software support}} |- | <!--Description-->Microsoft MCE Commander | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|2005 need extra software support}} |- | <!--Description-->Microsoft 1039 rev 1 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|2005 home top of square shape direction keys}} |- | <!--Description-->Microsoft 1039 rev 2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|2006 home under circle spaced direction keys}} |- | <!--Description-->Microsoft 1069 SMK Manufacturing, Inc | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0609 | <!--Product ID-->0x0334 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|2007 untested}} |- | <!--Description-->Philips RC1974506/00 | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0471 | <!--Product ID-->0x0815 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->Sony RM-MCE10E PC REMOTE CONTROL VGN-AR21M VGX-XL100 VGN-AR21B/AR21S | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->Sony RM-MCE20E PC REMOTE CONTROL | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->Sony RM-MCE30E PC REMOTE CONTROL VGN-AW21XY VGX-TP3E VGX-TP3G | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->Sony RM-MCE50E PC REMOTE CONTROL VGC-LA2R | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Opinion |- | <!--Description-->TSDX-IR14 USB MCE Media Center External Infrared IR Receiver | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->chipsets support CIR (consumer IR) Winbond W83977F/AF, SMC IrCC 2.0 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|technical reasons it's not possible to use USB IrDA dongles}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->Zotac RC2604323/01G Zbox Media Remote Control with IR USB Receiver OVU710 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- |} {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="50%" |Opinion |- | <!--Description-->Anycubic Cobra 2 Max | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Bambu Labs A1 Mini 3D printer | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{No|2019 EMS proprietary slicer app and cloud use, eSUN}} |- | <!--Description-->Bambu Labs X1 Carbon | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2022 }} |- | <!--Description-->Bambu Labs X2D | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Creality K1 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Creality K2 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Creality | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Lulzbot | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Prusa | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Qidi | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Snapmaker U1 | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk|2025 tool changer }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description-->Sovol SV08 Max | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| open source voron model, }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- |} ==ethwrap.class - Host Data Link "Cable Bridge" for data transfer== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="50%" |Opinion |- | Advance USBNET (eTEK design) | 0x0525 | 0x9901 | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | ALi Uli M5632 (chip) | | | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | Aten (Ali Corporation) UN201 | 0x0402 | 0x5632 | | {{maybe|force binding from rawwarp to ethwrap}} |- | Belkin (eTek design see below) | 0x050d | 0x0004 | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | Digitus DN-3004 - USB Host Link | | | | {{yes|works}} |- | EPSON USB client | 0x0525 | 0x2888 | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | eTEK | 0x056c | 0x8100 | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | KC-190 | 0x050f | 0x0190 | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | GeneSys GL620USB | | | | {{no|no driver the half-duplex GL620USB is NOT supported, products using it include the Inland Pro USB Quick Link}} |- | GeneSys GL620USB-A | | | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | Laplink Gold (uses NetChip 1080) | | | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | Prolific 2301/2302 (Jaton USB ConNET) (BAFO DirectLinq) | 0x067b | 0x0000 and 0x0001 | 0x0004 | {{maybe|detected but untested}} |- | Xircom PGUNET (uses AnchorChips 2720) | 0x0547 | 0x2727 | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- |} ==cdcacm.class - USB modem== The CDC ACM driver exposes the USB modem as a virtual serial modem or a virtual COM port to the operating system. The driver enables sending both data and AT commands, either through ACM (separating data and AT commands over different channels) or through Serial Emulation (passing the AT commands as is and as part of the data stream). {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="50%" |Opinion |- | Alcatel OT-I650 | 0x1bbb | 0x0003 | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | Acatel Dymamode/Dynamite | 0x06b9 | 0xa5a5 | | {{N/A|untested Zyxel Prestige 630-13 - untested PROLiNK Hurricane 8000 external link }} |- | AnyData ADU-100A ADU-E100A ADU-E100D ADU-E100H D10 | 0x16d5 | 0x6501 | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | AnyData ADU-310 | 0x16d5 | 0x650 | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | AnyData ADU-500A ADU-510A ADU-510L ADU-520A | 0x16d5 | 0x6502 | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | AnyData ADU-610 ADU-620 | 0x16d5 | 0x650 | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | BT On-Air USB MODEM | 0x079b | 0x000f | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | Conexant USB MODEM CX93010 | 0x0572 | 0x1321 | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | Conexant USB MODEM RD02-D400 | 0x0572 | 0x1324 | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | Conexant Chipset | 0x06ea | 0x0002 | | {{N/A|untested AUS N367 Roadster II 56 USB (Model AM5050R3) - untested }} |- | [http://accessrunner.sourceforge.net/ Conexant AccessRunner] | 0x0586 | 0x330a | | {{N/A|untested }} |- | Creative Modem Blaster USB DE5670 | 0x1690 | 0x0101 | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | FIREFLY, MediaTek Inc | 0x0e8d | 0x0003 | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | Huawei E122 | 0x12d1 | 0x1446 | | {{yes|works}} [http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=49126#forumpost49126] |- | Huawei E160, E160E, E160G | 0x12d1 | 0x1003 | |{{yes|works}} [http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=51888#forumpost51888] (Chipset: Qualcomm MSM6246) |- | Huawei E169 also known as Vodafone K3715 and Huawei K3715 | 0x12d1 | 0x1001 | |{{yes|works}} [http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=4941&forum=4&post_id=44683#forumpost44683] (Chipset: Qualcomm MSM7200) |- | Huawei E220 "Vodafone EasyBox II" "T-Mobile wnw Box Micro" also known as Huawei K3565 | 0x12d1 | 0x1003 | | {{yes|works, see E169 above (Chipset: Qualcomm MSM6280)}} |- | Huawei E1750 | 0x12d1 | 0x1001 | | {{N/A|untested (Chipset: Qualcomm MSM6290)}} |- | Huawei E170, E172, E176 | 0x12d1 | 0x1003 | | {{N/A|untested (Chipset: Qualcomm MSM7200)}} |- | Huawei E180 | 0x12d1 | 0x1406 | | {{yes|Works (Chipset: Qualcomm MSM7200)}} |- | KYOCERA AH-K3001V | 0x0482 | 0x0203 | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | LG CU515 | | | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | MediaTek Inc GPS | 0x0e8d | 0x3329 | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | Metricom GS Modem | 0x0870 | 0x0001 | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | Motorola MOTOMAGX phones | 0x22b8 | 0x6425 | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | Motorola Q Phone | 0x22b8 | 0x7000 | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | Hummingbird huc56s (Conexant) | 0x0572 | 0x1329 | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | Netcomm Roadster II 128 ISDN | | | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | Nokia n70 N95 HSDPA | | | | {{yes|works - see [http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?start=0&topic_id=4415&viewmode=flat&order=ASC here]}} |- | OGO | 0x045E | 0x0079 | 0090 | {{no|no driver}} |- | Olitec ADSL Modem V2 | 0x08e3 | 0x0100 / 0x0102 | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->Onda PT502HS | <!--Vendor ID-->0x19D2 | <!--Product ID-->0x0001 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- | Radicom V92HU-E2 | | | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | <!--Description-->Samsung i8510 Innov8 Symbian smartphone | 0x04e8 | 0x6651 | <!--Revision--> | {{yes|works}} [http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?start=0&topic_id=5552&viewmode=flat&order=ASC&type=&mode=0] |- | Samsung Tocco Lite (aka GT-S5230) | 0x04e8 | 0x6795 | <!--Revision--> | {{yes|works}} [http://aros-exec.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?start=0&topic_id=5552&viewmode=flat&order=ASC&type=&mode=0] |- | Shiro / Aztech USB MODEM UM-3100 | 0x0572 | 0x1328 | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | ZyDAS 56K USB MODEM | 0x0ace | 0x1602 | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | ZyDAS 56K USB MODEM | 0x0ace | 0x1608 | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | ZyDAS 56K USB MODEM - new version | 0x0ace | 0x1611 | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | Zoom Telephonics Model 3095F USB MODEM | 0x0803 | 0x3095 | | {{N/A|untested}} |- | Ugobe Pleo | 0x6962 | 0x0100 | 0x0100 | {{Yes|Works}} |} ==Misc== palmpda.class - no [http://aminet.net/package/util/libs/PdaLinkPoseidon pdalink.library and tools] in AROS Palm PDA (discontinued) synchronisation requires a port of pdalink.library and its tools through virtual usbpalm.device. {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="50%" |Opinion |- | Palm IIIx (OS3.1) serial rs-232 only | | | | {{no|no }} |- | Palm IIIc (OS3.5) | | | | {{no|no }} |- | Palm V | | | | {{no|no }} |- | Palm m100 | | | | {{no|no }} |- | Palm m125 first USB - last with aaa batteries | | | | {{no|no }} |- | Palm m500 (OS4) | | | | {{no|no }} |- | Tungsten T (OS5) first arm cpu | 0x | 0x | 0x | {{no|no }} |- | Zire 31 (OS 5.28) color arm-based | | | | {{no|no }} |- | [[:w:Handspring (company)|Handspring Visor]] – USB support out of box | | | | {{no|no }} |- | Handspring Treo 600 – last one for [[:w:Handspring (company)|Handspring]] | | | | {{no|no }} |- | Treo 700w | | | | {{no|no }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no driver}} |- |} bluetooth.class - needs Bluetooth (Viking King Harald "Bluetooth" Gormsson (Old Norse: Haraldr Blátǫnn Gormsson; Danish: Harald Blåtand Gormsen) stack to work (not written due to licensing fees to use the symbol merging the Younger Futhark runes for H (ᚼ) and B (ᛒ), representing Harald's initials) {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="50%" |Opinion |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no driver}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no driver}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no driver}} |- |} ccid.class - Chip/Smart Card Interface Devices (not implemented) {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="50%" |Opinion |- | <!--Description-->cyberJack RFID basis | <!--Vendor ID-->0x0C4B | <!--Product ID-->0x9102 | <!--Revision-->0001 | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no driver}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{no|no driver}} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{N/A|untested}} |- |} dfu.class - DFU firmware upgrade {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="50%" |Opinion |- | <!--Description-->iPhone 3, 4, 5, 5c | <!--Vendor ID-->0x05ac | <!--Product ID-->0x1290 0x1292 0x1294 | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| 32bit use with caution could cause damage}} |- | <!--Description-->iPhone 5s, 6, 7, 8, X | <!--Vendor ID-->0x05ac | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| 64bit use with caution could cause damage}} |- | <!--Description-->M-Audio/Midiman USB audio | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Description | Vendor ID | Product ID | Revision | Opinion |- | <!--Description-->iPad 1, iPad 2 A1395 A1430, iPad 3, ipad mini A1432, iPad A1458 4th Gen (MD512LL/A), | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->2008-2013 32bit A4, A5 up to Apple A6X, iOS 1 to 10, |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Description-->iPad Air (1st generation) A1474, A1475, A1476, | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->2014-2015 [https://github.com/AsahiLinux 64bit], A7, iOS 11 up to |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->2015 64bit A8, A8X, |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->2016 64bit A9, A9X, |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->2017 64bit A10, A10X, |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->2018 64bit A11 |- | <!--Description-->iPad Air 3rd Gen A2153, A2123, A2154, iPad Mini 5th Gen, | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->2019 64bit A12 |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion-->{{unk| }} |- |} RocketTool (USB Rocket Launchers - Toy missile launchers) {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="3px" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="50%" |Opinion |- | Original Launcher and StrikerII (includes laser) | 0x1130 | 0x0202 | | {{yes|works }} |- | Dream Cheeky USB Missile Launcher or USB Cirus Cannon | 0x1941 | 0x8021 | | {{no|no driver }} |- | Dream Cheeky USB Webcam Missile Launcher | 0x1941 | | | {{no|no driver }} |- | Rocket Baby | 0x0a81 | 0x0701 | | {{no|no driver }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> |} DRadioTool (FM Radios - USB radio devices D-Link/Gemtek) {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="5%" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="50%" |Opinion |- | D-Link DSB-R100 USB | 0x04b4 | 0x1002 | 0x0410 | {{yes|works }} |- | [http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/383/t257009-link-usb-dru-r100-radio/ GemTek USB FM Radio 21] | 0x04b4 | 0x1002 | | {{N/A|untested }} |- | <!--Description--> | <!--Vendor ID--> | <!--Product ID--> | <!--Revision--> | <!--Opinion--> |} UproarTool (Valencia MPX mp3 player and others) {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="30%" | Description ! width="3px" |Vendor ID ! width="10%" |Product ID ! width="10%" |Revision ! width="50%" |Opinion |- | Korean D Square Valencia MPX-Player | 0x04e8 | various | | {{N/A|untested }} |- |} [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIuT7rJgc8w with unlocked android bootloader], <pre> Kill and restart the server a few times sudo adb kill-server sudo adb start-server And finally type in sudo adb devices adb devices Lists connected devices adb shell Opens a terminal shell on the device hollywood:/ $ su id df -h top ls -la ls sdcard ls sdcard/Android ls sdcard/Oculus wm size cd .. cd data/system look inside bad Corejava folder cd data/system/etc/init look cd data/system/app cd /data cd /dev/block adb shell pm disable-user --user 0 com.oculus.nux.ota adb shell am start -a android.intent.action.VIEW -d com.oculus.tv -e uri com.android.settings/.DevelopmentSettings com.oculus.vrshell/.MainActivity Don't change your Oculus account password after doing the FB account bypass. You'll break the log-in session, and have to factory-reset and start over adb shell 'setprop debug.oculus.cpuLevel 5 && setprop debug.oculus.gpuLevel 5 && setprop debug.oculus.adaclocks.force 0 && setprop debug.oculus.phaseSync 1 && settings put global always_finish_activities 1 && settings put global wifi_scan_throttle_enabled 1 && settings put global window_animation_scale 0.25 && settings put global transition_animation_scale 0.25 && settings put global animator_duration_scale 0.25 && sync' settings list --user 0 secure or global or system user_setup_complete=0 adb shell screenrecord adb shell reboot adb install <path_to_apk> Installs an app like adb install -g -r alvr_client_android.apk or adb install -r app.apk memtester lsmod adb command to enable hand tracking, possible, but root access is required adb root oculussetting --set hand_tracking_opt_in 1 hand_tracking_enabled 1 adb push <local> <remote> Copies files to the device adb pull <remote> <local> Copies files from the device pull them using CFB, extract original apk using LL adb forward tcp:9943 tcp:9943 (Used for advanced, such as ALVR streaming) adb shell pm disable-user --user 0 com.oculus.partnercustomization Enterprise versions adb reboot Performs a standard system restart adb reboot bootloader Restarts the device into fastboot/bootloader mode adb reboot recovery Restarts the device into recovery mode adb reboot download Reboots Samsung devices into Download Mode adb reboot fastboot Directly enters fastboot mode [https://gist.github.com/pantasio/3d0eb4bb03a1e696aae8696f60730859#file-enable-usb-debug-adb usb dev debug adb] </pre> {{BookCat}} p6l7yymgnz3yc44hxb6ulsevc34gglu 0 226645 4637043 4621906 2026-05-22T17:00:16Z WereSpielChequers 248949 typo 4637043 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Adventist Adventurer Awards/Header|class=Helping Hand}} == Recite Genesis 1:26. Explain our role in protecting wildlife. == {{Bible verse|book=Genesis|chapter=1|verse=26|version=NIV|text= Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."}} <big>Discover your responsibility to helpcare for God’s world.</big> Ans: God gave humans responsibility over the earth and animals so we must care for nature, protect wildlife and show respect to Gods creations. We must also protect habitats, stop animal harm and keep the earth clean. == List three animals that are endangered and explain why. Ans: 1. Giant Panda they are endangered because they lose their habitats due to forest cuttings and food shortage when bamboo forest disappear due to multiple different factors like agriculture, harvesting, climate change and natural disasters. 2. Hawksbill sea turtle are endangered due to illegal shell trade which happens because of their beautiful pattern, strong material, their high price in illegal trade and they are also used for luxury items like jewelry, combs, glasses frames and decorations another reason they are endangered is due to ocean pollution and plastic harm 3. African elephant are endangered due to loss of land from farming and building and also poaching for ivory which means hunting the elephant for their tusks the reason hunters do this is because elephant tusks has a white hard material called ivory which people use to make jewelry, decorations piano keys and statues == == List three birds that are endangered and explain how you can help protect birds. Ans: 1. California condor are endangered due to habitat loss which reduced numbers and poison the way they get poison is from hunters they use lead bullets to kill animal the the California condors will eat the dead animal and and the poison will enter their blood stream and then harm their nervous system and organs they they will slowly become weak or die. 2. Philippine eagle are endangered due to forest destruction which removed their nesting areas. 3. Kakapo and endangered because they are eaten by predators because the cannot fly have a weak defense, they are very slow in movement this happen because human introduced these predators the beird evolved in New Zealand with few land predators so they have no survival instincts and also due to habitat loss which harmed the population. Some ways we can help protect the birds is by: Protecting forests and nesting areas, reducing plastic and population, avoid disturbing nests, plant trees and native plant and supporting wildlife protection groups. == == Study endangered trees in your area. Plant or adopt a tree. == == In your area == :a. What causes pollution, and list ways you can prevent pollution. Ans: Some causes of pollution are: littering on the street, burning trash, car exhaust and plastic waste. Some ways to prevent pollution is: Throwing trash in the bins, recycling, use reusable bags and bottles and join clean up events. :b. Investigate how and why the pollution happened. Ans: Pollution begins with careless waste disposal. Trash left on streets moves into drains and oceans. Vehicle fumes release harmful gases into the air. Human activity creates the most pollution. :c. Explain how you can keep from polluting water. Ans: Some ways to avoid poluting water is to never throw trash into drains or the sea, dispose of oils or chemicals safely and use eco friendly cleaning products like, Baking soda, white vi egar, lemon juice, reusable clotbs and sponges and biodegradable dish soap. :d. What dangers threaten the quality of air. Ans: Some dangers that affect air quality are: vehicle exhaust, burning garbage, factory smoke, dust from construction and wildfires. == Participate in one of the following community activities to help clean the environment == :a. Take part in Earth Day events :b. With your group help clear the trash from a roadside or stream :c. Help collect paper, cans or other materials for recycling. <big>Earth Day Creation Lapbook</big> [http://www.lapbooklessons.com/files/LapbookingFIles/BibleABC/Creation/CreationLapbookTitle.pdf Lapbook Cover] [http://www.lapbooklessons.com/files/LapbookingFIles/BibleABC/Creation/CL7.pdf Creation worksheet] [http://www.lapbooklessons.com/files/LapbookingFIles/BibleABC/Creation/CL2.pdf He got the whole world] [http://www.lapbooklessons.com/files/LapbookingFIles/BibleABC/Creation/CL1.pdf He made me] [http://www.lapbooklessons.com/files/LapbookingFIles/BibleABC/Creation/CL3.pdf All about me] [http://www.lapbooklessons.com/files/LapbookingFIles/BibleABC/Creation/CL5.pdf Creation memory match 1] [http://www.lapbooklessons.com/files/LapbookingFIles/BibleABC/Creation/CL6.pdf Creation memory match 2] == External Resources == Adventurer Manual - http://www.kfw-adventurers.org/HelpingHand/Grade_04_Environmentalist.pdf Bible NIV - http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/New-International-Version-NIV-Bible/ Endangered and Threatened Species of Texas - http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/huntwild/wild/species/endang/index.phtml Texas Endangered Species Activity Book- http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/publications/pwdpubs/media/pwd_bk_w7000_0023.pdf {{Adventist Adventurer Awards/Footer|Helping Hand}} s40elpjltdeyva5lp1lpzs7k7lninj8 4637044 4637043 2026-05-22T17:02:29Z WereSpielChequers 248949 c/e 4637044 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Adventist Adventurer Awards/Header|class=Helping Hand}} == Recite Genesis 1:26. Explain our role in protecting wildlife. == {{Bible verse|book=Genesis|chapter=1|verse=26|version=NIV|text= Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."}} <big>Discover your responsibility to helpcare for God’s world.</big> Ans: God gave humans responsibility over the earth and animals so we must care for nature, protect wildlife and show respect to Gods creations. We must also protect habitats, stop animal harm and keep the earth clean. == List three animals that are endangered and explain why. Ans: 1. Giant Panda they are endangered because they lose their habitats due to forest cuttings and food shortage when bamboo forest disappear due to multiple different factors like agriculture, harvesting, climate change and natural disasters. 2. Hawksbill sea turtle are endangered due to illegal shell trade which happens because of their beautiful pattern, strong material, their high price in illegal trade and they are also used for luxury items like jewelry, combs, glasses frames and decorations another reason they are endangered is due to ocean pollution and plastic harm 3. African elephant are endangered due to loss of land from farming and building and also poaching for ivory which means hunting the elephant for their tusks the reason hunters do this is because elephant tusks has a white hard material called ivory which people use to make jewelry, decorations piano keys and statues == == List three birds that are endangered and explain how you can help protect birds. Ans: 1. California condor are endangered due to habitat loss which reduced numbers and poison the way they get poison is from hunters who use lead bullets to kill animals. The California condors will eat the dead animal and the poison will enter their blood stream and then harm their nervous system and organs they will slowly become weak or die. 2. Philippine eagle are endangered due to forest destruction which removed their nesting areas. 3. Kakapo and endangered because they are eaten by predators because the cannot fly have a weak defense, they are very slow in movement this happen because human introduced these predators the bird evolved in New Zealand with few land predators so they have no survival instincts and also due to habitat loss which harmed the population. Some ways we can help protect the birds is by: Protecting forests and nesting areas, reducing plastic and population, avoid disturbing nests, plant trees and native plant and supporting wildlife protection groups. == == Study endangered trees in your area. Plant or adopt a tree. == == In your area == :a. What causes pollution, and list ways you can prevent pollution. Ans: Some causes of pollution are: littering on the street, burning trash, car exhaust and plastic waste. Some ways to prevent pollution is: Throwing trash in the bins, recycling, use reusable bags and bottles and join clean up events. :b. Investigate how and why the pollution happened. Ans: Pollution begins with careless waste disposal. Trash left on streets moves into drains and oceans. Vehicle fumes release harmful gases into the air. Human activity creates the most pollution. :c. Explain how you can keep from polluting water. Ans: Some ways to avoid poluting water is to never throw trash into drains or the sea, dispose of oils or chemicals safely and use eco friendly cleaning products like, Baking soda, white vi egar, lemon juice, reusable clotbs and sponges and biodegradable dish soap. :d. What dangers threaten the quality of air. Ans: Some dangers that affect air quality are: vehicle exhaust, burning garbage, factory smoke, dust from construction and wildfires. == Participate in one of the following community activities to help clean the environment == :a. Take part in Earth Day events :b. With your group help clear the trash from a roadside or stream :c. Help collect paper, cans or other materials for recycling. <big>Earth Day Creation Lapbook</big> [http://www.lapbooklessons.com/files/LapbookingFIles/BibleABC/Creation/CreationLapbookTitle.pdf Lapbook Cover] [http://www.lapbooklessons.com/files/LapbookingFIles/BibleABC/Creation/CL7.pdf Creation worksheet] [http://www.lapbooklessons.com/files/LapbookingFIles/BibleABC/Creation/CL2.pdf He got the whole world] [http://www.lapbooklessons.com/files/LapbookingFIles/BibleABC/Creation/CL1.pdf He made me] [http://www.lapbooklessons.com/files/LapbookingFIles/BibleABC/Creation/CL3.pdf All about me] [http://www.lapbooklessons.com/files/LapbookingFIles/BibleABC/Creation/CL5.pdf Creation memory match 1] [http://www.lapbooklessons.com/files/LapbookingFIles/BibleABC/Creation/CL6.pdf Creation memory match 2] == External Resources == Adventurer Manual - http://www.kfw-adventurers.org/HelpingHand/Grade_04_Environmentalist.pdf Bible NIV - http://www.biblegateway.com/versions/New-International-Version-NIV-Bible/ Endangered and Threatened Species of Texas - http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/huntwild/wild/species/endang/index.phtml Texas Endangered Species Activity Book- http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/publications/pwdpubs/media/pwd_bk_w7000_0023.pdf {{Adventist Adventurer Awards/Footer|Helping Hand}} bz7rnidcr9ruq0xbj4v8u3o1g47iig8 0 237398 4637081 4636514 2026-05-22T19:30:52Z Jeff1138 301139 4637081 wikitext text/x-wiki {{ArosNav}} ==Introduction== This a list of computer hardware tested with mostly native AROS installs and, in the recommended sections, of virtual machines With 64bit support it is recommended 8Gb ram is needed and that SSE 4.1 and AVX are supported in the CPU i.e. from year 2012 for Intel CPUs and 2013 for AMD CPUs. They are x86-64 instruction sets designed to perform the same operations on multiple data items simultaneously, a technique known as Single Instruction, Multiple Data (SIMD). This allows for increased performance in tasks involving parallel computation. SSE 4.1 is a 128-bit SIMD instruction set, while AVX introduced 256-bit SIMD, further enhancing performance. Some apps require these features to run well, like 3D, multimedia decoding or JIT (javascript) in Odyssey web browser. If not the apps may work slower or might fail. If you have encountered differently (i.e. problems, incompatibilities, faults, annoyances, environment, errors, review of setup etc) please update this information. Please bear in mind that AROS has only a few hardware driver developers, whilst Linux counts in the tens and Windows in the hundreds. [[#Laptops]] [[#Netbook]] [[#Desktop Systems]] [[#AMD Sockets]] [[#Intel Sockets]] [[#Recommended hardware (32-bit)]] [[#Recommended hardware (64-bit)]] === Laptops === [[#top|...to the top]] * 2006/2007 Dell Latitude D-series laptops - business class machines, good support in Aros, easy to replace wifi card * 2006 some [https://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/laptops-portable-pcs/laptops-and-netbooks/toshiba-satellite-pro-a200-28550/review Satellite Pro A200] * 2008 For the tiny carry anywhere, the early run of Acer Aspire netbooks Rough estimate from taking a random laptop notebook what you can expect from a Native install of AROS {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Date ! width="5%" |Overall ! width="5%" |Gfx VESA ! width="5%" |Gfx 2D Acceleration ! width="10%" |Gfx 3D Acceleration ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Before 2002 || Poor to OK || VESA 90% || 2D 10% || {{N/A}} || Audio 10% || 40% || Wired 70% || 2% || Max RAM 512MB |- | 2002-2005 || OK || VESA 95% || 2D 10% || 3D 0% || Audio 30% || 70% || Wired 50% || 10% || Max RAM 2GB (for 32bit) |- | 2005-2012 || Good || VESA 98% || 2D 60% || 3D 30% || Audio 40% || 80% || Wired 30% || 10% || Max RAM 3Gb (32bit) to 8GB (64bit) |- | 2013-2017 || OK || VESA 98% || 2D 10% || 3D 0% || Audio 20% || 20% || Wired 20% || 0% || Max RAM 8GB / 16GB better to go Ryzen over older AMD A series |- | 2018-2024 || Poor || VESA 98% || 2D 0% || 3D 0% || Audio 20% || 0% || Wired 30% || 0% || Max RAM 32GB better 64bit option with a internal dvd drive and ethernet |- | 2025-202x || Poor || VESA 95% || 2D 0% || 3D 0% || Audio 0% || 0% || Wired 10% || 0% || Max RAM 64GB AI disruption of previous hardware |- |} 3D tests now conducted with apps found in Demos/AROS/Mesa and run at default size (may need to View As -> Show All to see them. Any laptop with Windows 7(TM) 64bit or higher install, the bios and hard drive set in uefi/gpt mode (install of AROS incompatible) Most vendor suppliers get OEM (original equipment manufacturers) to make their laptops. These brand name companies purchase their laptops from *80% ODM (Original Design Manufacturer) such as Quanta, Compal, Wistron, Inventec, Foxconn (Hon Hai), Flextronics and Asus (now Pegatron) *20% MiTAC, FIC, Arima, Uniwill, ECS, Tonfang Origin and Clevo {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" | <!--OK-->{{Yes|'''Works well'''}} || <!--May work-->{{Maybe|'''Works a little'''}} || <!--Not working-->{{No|'''Does not work'''}} || <!--Not applicable-->{{N/A|'''N/A not applicable'''}} |- |} ====Acer/Gateway/Emachines==== Company founded under the name of Multitech in Taiwan in 1976, renamed to Acer or Acer Group in 1987 Order of build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Packard Bell Aspire Extensa TimeLine Travelmate </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="2%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Travelmate 505 506 507 508 Series || <!--Chipset-->P2 Celeron 466Mhz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes|boots}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Neo Magic Magic Graph 128XD (NM2160)}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 Crystal CS}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 minimal support but no audio etc - 506T, 506DX, 507T, 507DX, 508T |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 340 342 343 345 347 || <!--Chipset-->ALi M1621 with piii || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Trident Cyber 9525 || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1969 Solo-1}} || <!--USB-->2 ALi OHCI USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->a few have Intel e100 || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2000 32bit - 340T, 341T, 342T, 342TV, 343TV, 345T, 347TV |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 350 351 352 353 || <!--Chipset-->Ali with piii || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Trident Cyber Blade DSTN/Ai1 || <!--Audio-->{{No|ali5451}} || <!--USB-->2 USB 1.1 Ali M5237 OHCI || <!--Ethernet-->e100 || <!--Wireless-->Acer InviLink IEEE 802.11b || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit very limited support but no support for PCMCIA O2 Micro OZ6933 - 350T, 351TEV, 352TEV, 353TEV |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 610 series 611 612 613 614 || <!--Chipset-->815 P3 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Intel 82815 cgc || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->Intel e100 pro || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit - 610TXVi 610T 611TXV 612TX 613TXC |- | Aspire 3003LM || SIS AMD 3000 1.8GHz || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SIS AGP M760GX (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97 SIS codec}} || 3 USB 2.0 || {{yes|SIS900}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4318 AirForce One 54g}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 sempron |- | Travelmate 2310 Series ZL6 || Intel Celeron M 360 1.4GHz with SiS 661MX || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SiS Mirage M661MX (VESA only)}} || {{yes|SIS SI7012 AC97 with realtek ALC203 codec speakers only}} || || {{yes|SIS900}} || {{N/A|LM version has pci card slot but no antenna}} || 2017 Icaros 2.1.1 || 2004 32bit - No USB boot option but boot from DVD - reports of wifi losing connection (isolate/remove the metallic grounding foil ends of the antennas) - 2312LM_L - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 3000 3002LMi 3500 5000 || <!--Chipset-->AMD CPU W-with SIS M760 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->SIS 760 || <!--Audio-->SIS || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->SIS 900 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4318 swap for Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 3050 5020 5050 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Single and Turion MK-36 Dual and RS480 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - RS482M Xpress 1100 or RS485M Xpress 1150 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek ALC883 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5006G or Broadcom BCM 4318 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit MK36 gets very hot |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 2410 2420 2430 series || <!--Chipset-->915GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel Mobile 915GMS 910GML || <!--Audio-->Intel AC97 ICH6 with ALC203 codec || <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL-8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5005GS || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 2428AWXMi - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 3610 - WISTRON MORAR 3614WLMI || <!--Chipset-->Intel 915 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|[http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=644066&postcount=13 AC97]}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL 8139 8139C+}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros AR5001X+, AR5BMB5 or Broadcom 4318}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.2.4 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit with good support [http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6205188#post6205188 wifi issues] |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 2480 series 2483 WXMi (HannStar J MV4 94V) 2483NWXCi Aspire 3680, 3690 || <!--Chipset-->940GML i943 with Celeron 430 1.77GHz - 14.1" || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D and 3D openGL 1.x - Tunnel 181 gearbox 104 scores}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC883 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|3 USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8038 yukon sky2}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 5k AR5005G AR5BMB5 mini pci}} suspect laptop hardware issues || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 Works well shame about the internet options - noisy fan - poor battery life - no boot option for TI based mass storage sd card - Max 2GB memory - LCD Inverter Board IV12090/T-LF - |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 2490 series 2492WXMi || <!--Chipset-->940GML || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 945 2D and 3D tunnel 164 gearbox 105}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR5005GS suspect hardware issue}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - 15inch screen - strange curved up at ends keyboard style - overall plastic construction - Atheros AR5005G(s) - |- | <!--Name-->Gateway ML6227B MA7 || <!--Chipset-->Celeron M 520 1.6Ghz with 945GM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|945GM 2D and 3D tunnel 169 gearbox 132}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDA Intel with STAC9250 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8038}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|8187L but swap ath5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 15.4 ultrabrite widescreen - Wifi Switch on side Fn/F2 - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 5630-6796 6288 BL50 || <!--Chipset-->T5200 T5500 Intel® Core™2 Duo T7200 T7400 T7600 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel® GMA 950 with S-Video out with 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio with ALC883? codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 USB}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Broadcom BCM4401}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945abg swap for Atheros 5K}} || <!--Test Distro-->Tiny AROS || <!--Comments-->2006 - 64bit 39.1 cm (15.4" 1280 x 800) - 2 DDR2-SDRAM slots max 4GB - green mobo?? - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 5633WMLI BL51 || <!--Chipset-->T5500 with Intel® 945PM/GM Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia Go 7300 with 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with Realtek codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Broadcom 440x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 swap for Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Tiny Aros || <!--Comments-->2007 64 bit dual core2 - 15.4 WXGA screen - ddr2 max 4gb - OrbiCam no support - ENE chipset SD card - blue mobo?? - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 9410 9420 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core Duo with 945PM Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D NVIDIA GeForce Go 7300 - 128 MB VRAM G72M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel HD audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 8111 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945ABG but could swap with atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - 17in TFT 1,440 x 900 WXGA+ - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->eMachines E510 series KAL10 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Celeron M 560 2.13Ghz with PM965 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel x3100 || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel with codec}} || <!--USB-->Intel || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5906M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros G AR5BXB63 bios issue??}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2007 32bit very budget machine with InsydeH20 bios and F10 boot menu |- | <!--Name-->ACER Aspire 5920 5920G || <!--Chipset-->Santa Rosa Core 2 Duo T7300 T7500 later T9300 with GM965 and PM965(G) Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for X3100M or 8600M GS (rev a1) 9500M GT 256MB vram (G) but some AMD/ATI RV635 M86 HD 3650}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio with realtek alc888 codec ICH8}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5787M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel 3945ABG 4965 or Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwood test iso 2023-01 2023-11 || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit boot with 'noacpi' or 'noioapic' - 15.4in 1280 x 800 pixels 16:10 - BMW Designworks ‘Gemstone’ design - over 3.0kg with options for 8-cell or 6-cell batteries - 2 SODIMM DDR2 667MT/s max 4GB - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->Acer A0521 Ao721 || Athlon II Neo K125 + AMD M880G || {{N/A}} || {{maybe| }} || {{maybe|ATI Radeon HD 4225 (VESA only)}} || {{No|Conexant}} || {{Maybe| }} || {{no|AR8152 l1c}} || {{unk|AR9285 ath9k}} || AspireOS 1.7 || 2006 64bit possible |- | <!--Name--> Extensa 5630Z || <!--Chipset-->T6600 with Intel GL40 Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Yes|Intel GMA 4500M HD (2D)}} || <!--Audio--> {{Yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> {{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet--> {{No|Broadcom BCM 5764M}} || <!--Wireless--> {{No|RaLink RT2860}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit |- |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 5250 series 5253 BZ400 BZ602 || <!--Chipset-->E350 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{no|VESA 2D for AMD HD6310}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDaudio for codec Conexant CX20584}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8151}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Atheros 9k AR5B97}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire V5 V5-121 V5121 AO725 One 725 || <!--Chipset-->AMD C-70 C70 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{no|VESA for AMD 6290G}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|Realtek ALC269 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|2 x USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire V5-122P MS2377 || <!--Chipset-->C-70 C70 with M55, AMD A4-1250 or A6 1450 up to 1.4Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->AMD 8210 || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|FCH USB EHCI OHCI}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 but LAN/VGA Combo Port Cable (AK.LAVGCA 001) or MiniCP port to Acer Converter Cable (Mini CP to VGA/LAN/USB) (NP.OTH11 00C) needed}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros 9k AR9565}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit but no sse4 or avx - 26w battery internal, extension possible - 11.6in 1366 x 768 ips touchscreen - 7mm hd ssd - 2gb ddr3l soldered with 1 slot free max 4GB - bios hacking needed for virtualisation - |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell EasyNote TE69 TE69KB 522 || <!--Chipset-->slow E1-2500, E2-3800 2c2t Dual or A4-5000 4c4t Quad both soldered BGA769 (FT3) on Hudson-2 FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Use IDE mode}} setting AHCI to IDE mode - boots if UEFI set to Legacy || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for ATI Radeon 8120 8240, 8320, 8330 or 8280 islands}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio with ALC282 0x10ec, 0x0282 codec but not HDMI}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|Bios, Boot, set Boot mode to Legacy, nothing from USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8171 AR8175 or Broadcom BCM57780}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9565 0x1969 0x10a1}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aspire OS Xenon and AROS One 1.6 usb || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit with sse4.1 and AVX - 15.6in washed out screen big netbook - Boots with noacpi after using F2 to enter EFI firmware and f12 boot device - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots max 16Gb - |- | <!--Name-->ASPIRE Acer Aspire ES1-520 521 522 Series N15C4 ES1-523 || <!--Chipset-->AMD AMD E1-7010, A8-7410 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA for RADEON R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|Realtek ALC 233 or CX20752 HD AUDIO CODEC}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8151 Gigabit or Broadcom 590x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8187 or 8812BU}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit with sse4.1 and AVX - 2 ddr3l slots - keyboard connected to top case - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Nitro 5 an515-42 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD rx560x || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->aspire 3 A315-41 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->swift 3 sf315-41 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 3 A315-23 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3020e, r3 3200u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 3, 5 A515-44-R0ZN || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 4500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14in or 15.6" 1080p - 19v round charging - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr0tC3QJWxk repair], 4gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->Swift 3 SF314-42 series N19C4 , Swift SF315-4 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 4500U, 7 4700U|| <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit 1080p - small round ac 19v 3.42A or usb-c - mobo FH4FR LA-J731P - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Acer Swift 3 SF314-43, Swift SF315-41 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 1080p - small round ac or usb-c - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 5 A515-45 || <!--Chipset-->r7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - asus round ac - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 5 A515-47 || <!--Chipset-->ryzen 5 5625U, || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - asus round ac - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Asus==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Asus L8400-K Medion MD9467 || <!--Chipset-->Intel desktop 850MHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->S3 Savage MX || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS allegro 1988}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Asus L2000 L2400 L2D Series Medion 9675 || <!--Chipset-->Athlon 4 mobile || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use vesa sis630 || <!--Audio-->{{No|sis7018}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->sis900 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->x51R X51RL || <!--Chipset-->Duo T2250 T2330 with RS480 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200M]}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|boots and detects}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL-8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR5006EG AR5111 ath5k AzureWave AW-GE780 - could be ATI Chipset}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2, deadwood 2021, || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit 15.4 WXGA - 19v barrel - ESC boot select - F2 bios - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Asus R2H Ultra Mobile PC UMPC || <!--Chipset-->Celeron 900Mhz 910GML || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA900 || <!--Audio-->Ac97 ALC880 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8169 8101e || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm4fOrqyj3g boots] |- | <!--Name-->Asus A3 series A3F Ergo Ensis 211 RM || <!--Chipset-->P-M 1.6GHz to Core Duo with 950 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 945 || <!--Audio-->Ac97 ALC655 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8100CL 10/100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit only |- | <!--Name-->Z33 || <!--Chipset-->915 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->915GM || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC880 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 2915ABG || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit Z33A Z33AE N5M N5A |- | Z70A Z70V Z70Va M6A z7000 z7000a || i915 + ICH6 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|mobile 915GML}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|ICH6 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Marvell 88E8001}} || {{no|Intel PRO 2200BG Fn / F2}} || Icaros 1.3 || 2005 32bit |- | [http://www.progweb.com/en/2010/09/linux-sur-un-portable-asus-a6jm/ A6jm] A6JC || 945GM || IDE || SATA || {{yes|nVidia GeForce Go 7600 G70}} || {{no|HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|RTL8111 8168B}} || {{no|Intel 3945 ABG}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2006 32bit only |- | <!--Name-->F3Jc || <!--Chipset-->945PM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->G72M Quadro NVS 110M, GeForce Go 7300 || <!--Audio-->D audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8169 8111 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->X50GL F5GL || <!--Chipset-->T5800 with 965 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA 2d - Nvidia 8200M G84 runs hot}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio MCP79 with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|MCP79}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR5B91 AW-NE77}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2 || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit not much support no display with nouveau - 19v barrel - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS G50 & G51 series G50V G50Vt G51V G51VX G51J G51Jx G50VT X1 X5 ROG || <!--Chipset-->AMD64 with MCP71 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} || <!--Gfx-->nVidia GeForce 9800M GS (G94M) up to GT200 [GeForce GTX 260M] (G92M) || <!--Audio-->Nvidia HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros L1C atl1c}} || <!--Wireless-->Atheros G or Intel || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit not all GPUs are failing but a much higher % failing early, 8x00 and 9x00 G84, G86, G92, G94, and G96 series chips dying - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->M50V M50 series || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core 2 Duo P8400 or T9400 with Intel PM45 ICH9 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|BIOS set to compatibility IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GS or 9650M GT || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC663 || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 realtek 8169 8111C}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel 5100 or Atheros AR928X}}|| <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.0 USB || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 15.40 inch 16:10, 1680 x 1050 glossy - the "Infusion" design - heavy 3kg - ddr2 ram max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->Series F9 F9E F9dc F9f F9j F9s || <!--Chipset-->965GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio ALC660 playback}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|works}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|intel 3495 not working}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.41 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | P52F SO006X || i3-370M || IDE || SATA || {{yes|nVidia G92 [GeForce 9800 GT] (2D)}} || {{no|Intel HD Audio}} || {{yes|2 USB2.0}} || {{no|Atheros AR8121 AR8113 AR8114 (l1e)}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.3 || 2010 64bit - ddr3 slot - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Asus * X53U MB Ver K53U or K52U Asus K53U MB Ver K53U * A53U XT2 X53B MB ver: K53BY (compal) || <!--Chipset-->Slow atom like speed E-350 (2011), E-450 (2011) on AMD M780G, much slower C-50 C50 (2012), C-60 C60 on the AMD A50M dark brown plastic build || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|Set IN Bios IDE MODE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA ATi 6310M, 6320M later 6250M or 6290M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with alc269 codec Altec Lansing® Speakers}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|3 x USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|rtl8169 with RTL8111 phy}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros half height ar9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.2 and 2018 AROS One 1.6 USB || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6in 1368 x 768 dull 50% srgb screen - f2 bios setup, esc boot drive - 5200 or 7800 mAh battery covers ASUS K53S K53E X54C X53S K84L X53SV X54HR K53F X53U laptops - 2 DDR3L slots max 8Gb - 19v barrel 5.5 / 2.5 mm - |- | <!--Name-->Asus K53T, Asus A53Z X53Z || <!--Chipset-->AMD A4-3305M on AMD M780G, A6-3420M dark brown plastic build || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|Set IN Bios IDE MODE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD 6520G, 7670M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|3 x USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 with RTL8111 phy}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros half height}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6in 1368 x 768 dull 50% srgb screen - f2 bios setup, esc boot drive - 2 DDR3L slots max 8Gb - 19v barrel 5.5 / 2.5 mm - Altec Lansing® Speakers - |- | <!--Name-->X55U X401U X501U 1225B || <!--Chipset-->slow C-60 C60, C-70 C70 or E1 1200 E2 1800 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->6290G || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111 8169 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk| Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6" display - ram soldered - |- | <!--Name-->Asus A43TA A53TA K53TA XE2 A73T || <!--Chipset-->AMD A4-3300M, A6 3400M (laptop chip) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|Set IN Bios IDE MODE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA AMD Radeon HD 6520G Integrated + HD 6470M (1GB GDDR3)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - f2 bios setup, esc boot drive - |- | <!--Name-->X102BA || <!--Chipset-->Llano E1 1200 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|ide bios setting}} || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 8180 || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->RTL8101E RTL8102E || <!--Wireless-->{{unk| Qualcomm Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 10.1” Touchscreen - special asus 45w ac adapter - |- | <!--Name-->K55N, K75DE || <!--Chipset-->AMD a6 4400M A8 4500M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->AMD 7640G || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC codec none through ATi Trinity HDMI || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk| Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 17.3-inch - |- | <!--Name-->X452EA X552EA F552E || <!--Chipset-->AMD E1 2100 or A4 5000M A8 4500M A10 4600M with A || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for AMD ATI Sun XT Radeon HD 8330 8670A 8670M 8690M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AMD FCH Azalia rev 02 with ALC898 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{{Yes|Realtek RTL8111 8168 8411}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit may support avx kabini trinity - |- | <!--Name-->Asus X555Y || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-7210 A8-7410 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }}Realtek || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - silver-colored plastic - internal battery - |- | <!--Name-->Asus X555B X555DG X555S X555U X555YI X555LAB || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5-4210U to || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Intel}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with coxenant and realtek alc codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }}Realtek || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - silver-colored plastic - internal battery - |- | <!--Name-->Asus X555D || <!--Chipset-->AMD A10-8700P || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{unk|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 15.6in 1366 x 768 - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - silver-coloured plastic - internal battery - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS X555Q || <!--Chipset-->AMD® Bristol Ridge A10-9600P 7th Gen, A12-9720p || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|R5 + Radeon™ R6 M435DX Dual Graphics with VRAM GCN 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek 8821AE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - FHD 15.6 1920x1080 - 37W battery internal - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - internal battery - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M509ba || <!--Chipset-->AMD A9-9425 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for RADEON R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 15.6in 1366 x 768 - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot max 16Gb - 19VDC 2.37A Max 45W 4.0mm x 1.35mm - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->ExpertBook P1410, ASUS ExpertBook P1 P1510CD, Expertbook Y1511CD || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 3200U, Ryzen 5 3500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->Nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for AMD}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit 14in or 15.6in 768p to 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - 19V 3.42A asus barrel connector 4.0MM X 1.35MM 4phi - |- | <!--Name-->ASUSTeK ASUS EXPERTBOOK L1 L1400CDA, L1500CDA - 19v 3.42a 4.5phi Barrel with centre pin Outer 4.5mm Inner 3mm asus special untested EXA1203XH, EXA1203YH, EXA1208UH, PA-1650-30, PA-1650-78, PA-1650-93, ADP-65GD B, ADP-65DW B (Euro) || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' Ryzen 5 3500U - '''untested''' Ryzen 3 3200U, 3250U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 Nvme m.2 slot will not boot with sata3 m.2, optional 1 sata hdd with ribbon cable, no dvd drive}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for AMD vega 3, 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio 0x15de 0x15e3 with ALC256 codec 0x10ec 0x0256}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 1 usb-c and 3 usb-a }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro-->3500U with AROS One 64bit 1.2 usb installed to m.2 sata on another machine || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit 14in or 15.6in 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - up to 8Gb ddr4 sodimm soldered on board and 1 slot - micro sd card slot on some models - 42Whr B31N1915 C31N1915 C31N2204 - hold down F2 and press power for bios setup - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ==== Dell ==== [[#top|...to the top]] Order of build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Studio Inspiron Vostro XPS Alienware Precision Latitude </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="10%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Latitude CP 233GT, CPi d233xt d266xt D300XT a366xt, CPt S400GT S500GT S550GT S600GT S700ST, CPt C333GT C400GT || <!--Chipset-->Neo Magic || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - Neo magic Magic Media 2160 2360 256ZX || <!--Audio-->{{No|crystal pnp 4237b or magic media 256zx sound nm2360}} || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit Low-Density 16-chip 144p 144-pin 32Mx64 3.3V SODIMM - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Latitude CPx H450GT H500GT H Series, CPt V433GT V466GT V600, Inspiron 5000 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 440BX with Pentium 3M (CPx) or Celeron (CPt) || <!--IDE-->{{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use Vesa - ATi Rage Pro Mobility M1}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1978 Maestro 2E Canyon 3D}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|1 slot 1.1 only}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Test Distro-->NB May 2013 || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit - 3 pin PA-6 PA6 power adapter plug - CDROM DVD Cxxx family media bay accessories untested |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C500 C600 (Quanta TM6) Inspiron 4000 7500, CPx J Series || <!--Chipset-->440BX ZX/DX || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI Rage 128Pro Mobility M3 (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|ES1983S Maestro 3i}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 1.1 only}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A|some models had mini pci e100}}|| <!--Wireless-->{{N/A|a few came with internal antenna wiring}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->1999 square 3 pin charger PA9 PA-9 - C/Dock II untested - C/Port untested - Parallel to Floppy cable untested - CPx J600GT J650GT J700GT J750GT J800GT J850GT |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C510 C610 Insprion 4100 PP01L 2600 || <!--Chipset-->i830 and 1GHz+ P3-M || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|use VESA - ATI Radeon Mobility M6}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 CS4205}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|3Com Etherlink}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|internal antenna wiring for an Atheros mini pci card}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2000 poor build quality - hard to find in good working order |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C400 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 830 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Intel 830 CGC}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ac97 Crystal 4205}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|3Com 3c905C TX/TX-M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2000 Slim for the time - no media bays |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C640 (Quanta TM8) C840 Inspiron 8k2 8200 i8200 precision m50 || <!--Chipset-->P4M with 845EP || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA if ATi - use nouveau if 64mb Nvidia Gforce 4 440 Go || <!--Audio-->AC97 CS4205 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->3com 905c || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 C640 had one fan so was noisy and hot - C840 had 2 fans and ran slightly cooler but fan noise louder |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | Latitude D400 || P-M 82845 || {{yes|82801 ide}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|VESA only}} || {{yes|AC97 Audio playback only}} || {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || {{maybe|PRO 100 VM (KM)}} || {{no|BCM4318 AirForce one 54g replace with atheros 5k mini pci}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit might boot from USB stick but won't boot from USB-DVD - no sd card slot - power plug style - |- | Latitude D500 / D505 PP10L, Inspiron 510m || 855GME * revA00 * revA03 * revA06 | {{yes|IDE but needs the Dell adapter}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|855GM Gfx (VESA only)}} || {{Yes|Intel AC97 with IDT STAC 9750 codec playback head phones only}} || {{maybe| }} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VE}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4306 but exchange with atheros g in panel on laptop bottom}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || 2003 - 14 / 15 inch XGA 4:3 screen - plastic build - no sd card slot - boots from bay optical drive - not powering on/off with ac adapter is a [http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=37&topicid=30585 mobo fault of PC13 SMT 1206 ceramic cap hot] suggest [http://www.die4laser.com/D505fix/ 0.1uF 50V instead] - pc2700 333Mhz ram 1Gb max - |- | Latitude D505 (some) || VIA VT8237 VX700 || {{yes|IDE}} || || {{partial|VESA 2d on ATI RV350 Radeon 9550}} || {{no|VIA AC97 with codec}} || {{maybe|VIA USB glitchy}} || {{yes|VIA VT6102 Rhine-II}} || {{no|Intel 2200g Calexico2}} || <!--Test Distro--> || 2003 32bit little support - diagnostics pressing holding the Fn key, press the Power ON button (battery removed). Check the LEDs pattern - cmos battery behind flap in laptop battery slot - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1000 || <!--Chipset-->SIS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use VESA SIS}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 SIS with AD1981B codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|SIS 900 but}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit [https://forum.level1techs.com/t/my-time-with-icaros-desktop-and-what-i-am-doing-as-a-dev-contributor-also-some-other-shit/113358 aremis using it] |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1100 PP07L || <!--Chipset-->845 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Intel 845G}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC'97 playback}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom 4401}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5 || <!--Comments-->2004 |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 8500 5150 || <!--Chipset-->P4 855GM || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia 5200 Go - VESA if intel gfx}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|MCP AC97 with SigmaTel 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom 440x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom 4306 rev 02 use Atheros Mini PCI}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit P4 runs well but hot |- | Latitude X300 PP04S small, slim and light case || 855GME * revA00 Intel ULV 1.2 Ghz * revA01 Intel ULV 1.4Ghz | {{yes|IDE internal and will boot cd/dvd through dock PR04S}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|855GM Gfx (VESA only)}} || {{Yes|Intel AC97 with STAC 97xx codec but no audio out of the dock}} || {{maybe|works but dock usb ports and usb DVD PD01S not detected}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM5705M gigabit}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4306 later intel - replace with atheros in the underside}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1, 2020 AROS One 1.6 usb, || 2003 12.1" 1024 x 768 - 19.5v PA-10 or PA-12 dell - ACPI works but bad s3 ram suspend sleep - no sd card boot - 1Gb max sodimm ddr 2700 |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D600 (Quanta JM2) PP05L - 600m || <!--Chipset-->82855 PM i855 * reva00 * revA01 * revA02 * revA03 * revA04 | <!--IDE--> {{yes}} || <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA - ATI Radeon RV250 Mobility FireGL 9000}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 - STAC 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5705}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 2100 or Broadcom BCM4306 - swap for Atheros panel in base}} || <!--Test Distro-->2011 Icaros 1.3 and [http://www.amiga.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-62187.html 1.4.1 and 2016 2.1.1] || <!--Opinion-->2003 32bit 14inch using pc2100 memory with Caps light blinking is usually a memory error - Dell D505 D600 power up pressing the case docking port - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D600 (Quanta JM2) || <!--Chipset-->82855 PM i855 || <!--IDE--> {{yes}} || <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D only vidia NV28 GeForce4 Ti 4200 Go 5200 Go 5650 Go}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 - STAC 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5705}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom BCM4306 mini pci - swap for Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.3 and [http://www.amiga.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-62187.html 1.4.1] || <!--Opinion-->2003 32bit 14" - solder joints on the bios chip (press down f7/f8 keys) - RAM clean with eraser - memory cover plate maybe apply some pressure - |- | <!--Name-->D800 (Compal LA-1901) || <!--Chipset-->Intel 855 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom 570x || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom 4309 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - trackpoint type pointing device - |- | <!--Name-->D800 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 855 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{No|Nvidia }} || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom 570x || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom 4309 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit 15inch 39cm |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1200 2200 PP10S Latitude 110L m350 1.3Ghz || <!--Chipset-->Intel 915GM || <!--IDE--> {{yes|UDMA boots cd or DVD and installs to HDisk}} || <!--SATA--> {{N/A}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA900 (2D and 3D openGL 1.x) Gearbox 56}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 playback only}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Intel PRO 100 VE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|BroadCom BCM4318 - swap for Atheros mini PCI in base panel}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.5 || <!--Comments-->2005 single core 32bit 14" 4:3 1024 768 XGA screen - heavy 6 lbs - PA16 barrel 19V 3.16A AC adapter - battery life 4cell 29WHr lasts 2 hours - 256mb soldered with 1 ddr pc2100 sodimm 1gb max - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1300 business B130 home PP21L Latitude 120L B120 by Compal - Inspiron 630m || <!--Chipset-->Intel Celeron M360 1.4GHz, M370 1.50 GHz, M380 1.73GHz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes|boots cd or DVD and installs to HDisk}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 915 2D and 3D openGL 1.x tunnel 172 gearbox 70}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio playback ear phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|works but waiting boot fail with AROS One usb version}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom 440x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|intel 2200 or BCM4318 swap for Atheros mini pci underside - one antenna lead for main wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.2, 2020 AROS One 1.6 usb, || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit single core - 14.1″ XGA 4:3 or 15.4" WXGA wide 1280 x 800 matte - ddr2 sodimm ram 2gb max - PA-16 19v psu tip 7.4mm * 5mm - f10 boot select f1 f2 bios |- | Latitude X1 PP05S || PP-M GMA915 rev A00 1.1GHz non-pae || {{yes|ide 1.8in zif/ce under keyboard}} || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|Vesa for Intel 915GM}} || {{yes|AC97 6.6 playback only with STAC codec}} || {{maybe|USB 2.0 but partial boot to blank screen}} || {{No|Broadcom 5751}} || {{no|Intel 2200BG - swap for Atheros mini pci under keyboard palm rest - disassembly of all laptop}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 dvd iso image virtualbox'd onto usb, Aros One 1.5 and 1.8 usb (2022) || 2005 32bit 12.1" 4:3 1024 x 768 - sd slot not bootable - 256mb soldered to board and 1 sodimm max 1GB ddr2 under keyboard - F12 bios boot F2 - pa-17 pa17 19v octagonal psu port |- | Latitude D410 PP06S *rev A00 *A01, A02 *A03 || GMA915 1.6GHz Pentium® M 730, 1.7GHz, 750 1.86GHz & 760 2.0GHz, 770 2.13GHz || {{yes|caddy and adapter needed 2.5" - remove hdd and write}} || {{N/A}} || {{Yes|Intel 915GM 2D and 3D OpenGL 1.3 tunnel 170 and gearbox 75}} || {{yes|AC97 playback only with STAC 9751 codec}} || {{maybe|works but will not boot from USB-DVD or AROS One 1.5 usb version}} || {{No|Broadcom 5751}} || {{no|Intel 2915ABG or later 2200BG - swap for Atheros mini pci under keyboard}} || <!--Test Distro-->2015 Icaros 1.4, 2016 2.1.1 and AROS One 1.5 usb, || 2005 32bit 12.1" 4:3 1024 x 768 - no sd card slot - PR06S dock base |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D510 (Quanta DM1) || <!--Chipset-->915GM socket 479 || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 915 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 STAC 975x}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG swap Atheros mini pci in base}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 14.1" 32bit single core Intel Celeron M 1.6GHz Pentium M 730 1.73Ghz - squarish 3:2 - issues with 3rd party battery 4 quick flashes of red led with 1 final green |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D610 (Quanta JM5B) PP11L || <!--Chipset-->910GML 915GM with mobile 1.6 to 2.26ghz * Rev A0x * Rev A0x * Rev A07 1.73Ghz | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 915 2D and 3D tunnel 174 gearbox 74}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 speaker head phones playback only with stac codec}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 2200BG or Broadcom mini pci under keyboard, swap wifi card for atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 14" 1024 x 768 - very noisy clicky trackpad buttons - one dimm slot under keyboard and other in underside 2GB 533Mhz 667Mhz DDR2 max - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D610 (Quanta JM5B) 0C4717 REV A05, 0K3879 REV.A00 || <!--Chipset-->915GM || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA 2d - Ati X300 no radeon 2d}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom NetXtreme 57xx Gigabit replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG mini pci use Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 14" 1024 x 768 - very noisy clicky trackpad buttons - 19.5v psu |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D810 (Quanta ) || <!--Chipset-->915GM || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA 2d - Ati X300 RV370 M22 later x600}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 stereo playback only idt 9751 codec}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0 but no boot from usb on 1.5}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom NetXtreme 57xx Gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG mini pci replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.1, aros one 1.5 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 15.4" F12 one time boot menu - 19.5v 90w psu ideal - battery not same as later dx20 ones - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 6000 6400, E1505 PP20L *A00 Pentium M *A0? Core Duo || <!--Chipset-->GM945 with PM 1.73Ghz, T2050 or T2060 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|vesa 2d - Ati 9700, x1300 RV515 M52, x1400 or nvidia go 7300 on mxm board}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio IDT 9200}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|usb boot }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom BCM4401 B0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200 3945 - swap for Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1, AROS One 1.6 || <!--Comments-->2006 mostly 32bit - 15.4 inch glossy - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots - broadcom bcm92045 bluetooth detected but no support - 19.5v dell psu socket - f2 bios setup, f12 boot order - |- | <!--Name-->Inspirion E1705 9200 9300 9400 PP12L PP14L || <!--Chipset-->945GM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->proprietary Dell card/socket format Nvidia 6800, ati X300 or nVidia 7900GS gpu 3d corrupt || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401}} || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 swap with Atheros 5k mini pcie || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=6481 increasing vertical lines issues] 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Studio XPS M1210 || <!--Chipset-->GM945 with Core Duo to intel C2D T5500, T7400 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->nVidia G72M 7300 7400m || <!--Audio-->HD Audio IDT 92xx || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401 B0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4311 - swap for Atheros 5k mini pci-e}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit - 2 ddr2 slots max 4Gb - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1501 PP23LA Latitude 131L || <!--Chipset-->AMD Sempron 1.8GHz Turion MK-36 or X2 1.6Ghz TL-50 or TL-56 on ATI RS480 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA 2d - ATI 1150 (x300) RS482M Mobility Radeon Xpress 200}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with stac 92xx codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom bcm 4401}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bcm4311 replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5 || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit 15.4 inch matt 16:10 1280x800 WXGA - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 6400 (Quanta FM1) *A00 Pentium M *A0? Core Duo *A08 Core2 Duo || <!--Chipset-->GM945 with BGA479 (socket M) T2050 1.6Ghz, T2060 1.60Ghz, T2080 1.73Ghz much later T5500 1.66Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with IDT 92xx codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom BCM4401 B0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4311 swap for Atheros 5k mini pci-e under keyboard}} || <!--Test Distro-->deadwood 2019-04-16 iso || <!--Comments-->2006 mostly 32bit - 15.4" glossy - sd card - front multimedia keys - dvd rw - generic dell keyboard - coin cr2032 bios battery under keyboard - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 640m PP19L XPS M140 e1405 || <!--Chipset-->Core Solo T2050, T2300 Duo 1.83GHz T2400 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio IDT || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM4401-B0 100Base || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 or Broadcom 43xx, swap for Atheros 5k - Wireless Internet ON or OFF press the Function key + F2}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32 bit - 12.1 LCD CCFL WXGA 1280x800 up to 14.1 inch 16:10 1440x900 pixel, WXGA+ UltraSharp - supports also SSE3 on duos - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D420 (Compal LA-3071P) PP09S || <!--Chipset-->945 * revA00 Solo 1.2Ghz ULV U1400 * revA01 Duo 1.06Ghz u2500 * revA02 Duo 1.2Ghz | <!--IDE-->{{yes|ZIF/CE 1.8" slow under battery, ribbon cable}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA950 - 2D and 3D opengl tunnel 138 gearbox 103}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with STAC 92xx playback speakers head phones only)}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|2 and external usb optical drive works}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 mini pcie - swap Atheros 5k in base panel}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros Desktop 1.4 || <!--Opinion-->2006 32bit only - 12.1" 1280x800 - PR09S dock base rev02 DVD-RW usb boots - 1GB DDR2 2Rx16 max in base panel - f2 setup f5 diagnostics f12 boot list - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D520 PP17L || <!--Chipset--> * 64bit rev A01, A02 945GM Core2 Duo 1.83Ghz to 2.3Ghz * 32bit rev A00, A01 940GML Solo later Duo T2400 | <!--IDE-->{{yes| Philips SDR089, Philips CDD5263, TEAC DW224EV, Optiarc AD-5540A, HL-DL-ST GSAT21N, TSSTcorp TS-L632D}} || {{Yes|bios sata set to ide mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 900 series 2D and OpenGL1 3D tunnel 210 gearbox 153 teapot 27}} || {{Yes|HD audio with STAC 9200 codec}} || {{Yes|Boots and detects USB2.0}} || {{Yes|Broadcom 4400}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4312 BCM4321 Dell 1390 / 1490 mini pcie - easy to replace with atheros 5k in base panel}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4 and 2.2 and both AROS One 1.8 and AROS One x64 1.1 USB boot || 2006 mostly 64bit 4:3 aspect ratio 14.1 (XGA 1024x768) or later 15 inches (XGA+ 1400 by 1050) - F2 enter bios F12 choose boot - 19.5v dell tip pa-12 charger - bios coin cell cr2032 battery socketed in base panel - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D620 (Compal LA-2792) PP18L || <!--Chipset-->945GMS * rev A00 all Core Duo's 32 bit * rev A0x all Core 2 Duo's 64 bit | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 950 (2D and 3D tunnel gearbox opengl1 || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio playback}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 3945 mini pcie swap with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->AspireOS Xenon || <!--Opinion-->2006 64bit AROS capable with later revisions - 14" 1280 x 800 |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D620 || <!--Chipset-->Intel i945 * revA00 all Core Duo's 32 bit * revA01 all Core 2 Duo's 64 bit | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia 7300, 7600 NVS 110M G72 || <!--Audio-->{{dunno|HD Audio with STAC 9200 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless--> {{dunno}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2007 1440x900 screen - LA-2792P Rev.2.0 - DT785 UC218 Fan/ Heatsink (64bit) - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D820 (Quanta JM6) || <!--Chipset-->945GMS 940GML * rev A00 * rev A01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and 3D tunnel 195 - 100? gearbox 156}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with STAC 9200 playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|BCM4310 replace with mini pcie atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Opinion-->2007 widescreen 15 inch 1280 x 800 matte - - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D820 (Quanta JM) || <!--Chipset-->945GMS 940GML * revA00 * revA01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Nvidia NVS 110M 120M G72}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio STAC 9200}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|BCM4310 swap with Atheros 5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit 15.4 1650x1050 WXGA or WSXGA+ or 1920x1200 WUXGA - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Latitude D531 15" || <!--Chipset-->AMD Turion X2 TL56 or TL60 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA - ATi xpress X1270}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with IDT codec || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 57xx}} || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 or Dell Wireless 1390, 1505 or BCM4311 mini pcie || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit possible - no trackpoint - fails and goes wrong often - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D430 PP09S || <!--Chipset-->945 with Core2 Duo C2D U7500 1.06GHz U7600 1.2GHz U7700 1.33GHz * rev A00 * rev A01 * rev A02 | <!--IDE-->ZIF PATA IDE 1.8inch under battery and ribbon cable - slow use USB instead || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|945GML 2D and 3D opengl 1.x 171 tunnel 105 gearbox}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|STAC 92xx HD Audio speaker and ear phone - mono speaker}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 4965 AGN or 3945 ABG mini pci-e underside with Atheros 5k mini pci-e}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aspire 1.8 || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit capable - sd card not supported - 19.5v PA12 power adapter - 12.1" 1280x800 matte - f2 setup f5 diagnostics f12 boot list - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D530 || <!--Chipset-->GM965 + ICH8 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{partial|nVidia Quadro NVS 135M 2D 3d glitches G86}} || <!--Audio-->{{partial|HD Audio with STAC 9205 head phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5755M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 3945ABG swap with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.5 || <!--Comments-->2007 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=6481 ] cool air intake from underneath needed with pa-10 or pa-3e 90w psu required - standard 4:3 ratio aspect screen - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D630 (Compal LA-3301P) PP18L || <!--Chipset-->GM965 + ICH8 T7250 2.0Ghz T7300 * revA00 * revA01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA X3100 (2D only, no external monitor)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio STAC 9205 but speaker and head phones}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB 2.0}}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5755M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom BCM4312 swap with pci-e Atheros 5k under keyboard}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit possible - F12 to choose boot option - 2 ddr2 sodimm max 4G - 4400mah 48Wh battery lasts 2 hours - 6600mah 73Wh lasts just over 3 hours |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D630 || <!--Chipset-->GM965 + ICH8 * revA00 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=6481 ] GPU heatpad, no copper * revA01 0DT785 heatsink | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{partial|use VESA as nVidia NVS 135M 3d corrupts 0.7 tunnel 0.25 gearbox G86}} || <!--Audio-->{{partial|HD Audio with STAC 9205 head phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5755M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 3945ABG swap with Atheros 5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.5 || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D830 || <!--Chipset-->965GM with Core2 * revA00 * revA01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GM965 crestline 2d and 3d tunnel 115}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|replace with Atheros 5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros || <!--Comments-->2007 15 inch 1280 x 900 but updating the LCD to WXGA or WSXGA+ could be better - 2 ddr2 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D830 || <!--Chipset-->ICH8, Core2 DUO T7800 @ 2.60GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->Intel ICH8M Serial ATA || <!--Gfx-->nVidia Quadro NVS 140M G86 || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with STAC 92XX codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom NetXtreme 57xx Gigabit || <!--Wireless-->Intel Wireless 4965AGN swap with Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.03 || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 15." - FN,F2 or FN,F8 or FN,F12 |- | <!--Name-->XPS M1710 || <!--Chipset-->945PM with T2400 T2600 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->proprietary Dell card socket format GTX 7950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with STAC 92XX codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 1000 or Broadcom BCM5752 || <!--Wireless-->Intel swap with Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 64bit || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 17.3" workstation type WXGA+ screen 1920x1200 - 2 ddr-2 667Mhz sodimm slots, |- | <!--Name-->XPS M1730 || <!--Chipset-->965 with T7200 T7600 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GTX 7950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with STAC 92XX codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 1000 || <!--Wireless-->Intel swap with Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit 17" workstation type WXGA+ screen manufactured by AU Optronics poor viewing angles, unevenly lit, light leakage, 2 ddr-2 800Mhz slots, |- | <!--Name-->Latitude E6410 P27LA, E6510 PP30LA, E6310 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5-520M to i7-620M i7 820QM but no sse4.1 or AVX || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|NVidia NVS 3100M GT218 2D but 3D through external monitor}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio IDT 92HD81}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom or Intel 6200AGN or Link 6300}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3 || <!--Comments-->2010 64 bit - 14.1” WXGA+ up to 15.6in 15.6” FHD 1080p - 2 ddr3l 1333Mhz max 8Gb - 90w dell charger - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron M5030 || <!--Chipset-->rev A01 AMD V120, V140 rev A0? V160 M880G || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA RS880M Radeon HD 4225, 4250}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with ALC269q codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8152 v2}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - DDR3 sodimm - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->E6420 E6520 ATG semi ruggized XFR || <!--Chipset-->sandy bridge i5 2520M 2540M or duo I7 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|set to Bios UEFI mode AHCI}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Intel HD 3000 with optional fermi Nvidia NVS 4200M GF119}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with IDT 92HD90 BXX codec but not HDMI codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6205}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.03 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit 15.6in - fan exhausts a lot of hot air when cpu taxed - VGA if Bios ATA set and Vesa only with Bios ACHI set - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron M5040 || <!--Chipset-->slow amd E450, later C-50 C50 or C-60 C60 with A50M chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|non efi sata in IDE mode but base plastic difficult to remove for access}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA AMD Radeon 6320, 6250 or 6290}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio IDT}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8105E VB 10/100}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 icaros 2.1.1 and AROS USB 1.6 || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit 15INCH 1388 X 768 - f2 bios setup, f12 boot order - under removable keyboard via 4 top spring loaded catches is 1 ddr3l sodimm max 8gb and wifi - |- | Latitude e6230 E6330 E6430 || i3 3320M 3350M 2.8 GHz i5 3360M i7 3520M || {{N/A}} || {{partial|non RAID mode}} || {{partial|Intel HD 4000 (VESA only)}} || {{no|HD Audio}} || {{partial|Intel USB 3.0 (USB 1.1 2.0 only)}} || {{No|Intel 82579LM Gigabit}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313}} || <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2014 09-27 || 2013 64bit Ivy Bridge - 12.5-inch 13.3-inch 14-inch screen - not great support, better under hosted - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Latitude 3330 || <!--Chipset-->Core i3 – 2375M to i5 – 3337U, Intel® Core i3 – 3227U, Celeron 1007U on HM77 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d for intel Hd 2000 3000 vga hdmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio with IDT 92HD93 Controller codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.0 (2), USB 2.0 PowerShare capable }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwood usb3 test iso || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit, 13.3” HD 1366X768 16:9, 2 ddr3l slots max 8Gb, 720p HD video webcam, |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 15 5565 5567 AMD versions, Inspiron 3595 || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9200u A9-9400 9425 A12-9700P Bristol Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->Radeon R5 R8 GCN 3 || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{partial| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit AVX2 - 15.6in 768p or 900p - there are intel versions avoid - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Latitude 5495, Inspiron 15 3585 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2300U 2500U 2700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|NVMe or optional 2.5in sata if caddy and ribbon cable}} || <!--Gfx-->Radeon Vega 3 or 7 || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3246 aka ALC295 0x10ec, 0x0295 or ALC3263 aka ALC 0x10ec, 0x0 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14.0" FHD WVA 1080p (16:9) 220 nits or HD 768p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 32gb - 68whr battery with 2pin cmos bios coin - DC 19.5V 4.62A (90W) or 19.5V 3.34W (65W) 5.0mm x 7.4mm PA12 charging adapter - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 3505, Vostro 3515 || <!--Chipset-->athlon 300u, Ryzen 3250u (2c4t) 3450u 3500u 3700u (4c8t), Athlon Silver (2c2t) Gold (2c4t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|up to 2 nvme with optional 2.5in sata ribbon connector}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 8, 10}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|Realtek ALC3204, Cirrus Logic CS8409 (CS42L42 and SN005825)}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|RTL 8106E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8723DE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64-bit - 15.6inch - 2 ddr4 sodimm max 16G - avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 5485 2-in-1 || <!--Chipset-->athlon 300u, Ryzen 3250u (2c4t) 3450u 3500u 3700u (4c8t), Athlon Silver (2c2t) Gold (2c4t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 8, 10}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|Realtek ALC3204}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8723DE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64-bit - 14inch - 2 ddr4 sodimm max 16G - avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude 3500, 3310, 3410, 3510, || <!--Chipset-->Intel Celeron-4205U, Pentium-5405U, Core i5 (8th Gen) i3-8145U, 8265U, i5-8365U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2D for Intel UHD Graphics 610 or 620 hdmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|Realtek ALC}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 usb-c usb-a}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111H}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14in or 15.6in 768p to 1080p 220nits - 65w - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - rtc cr2032 cmos 2 pin - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 5405 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 4500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->One M.2 2230/2280 nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3204 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14" 1080p - dell round ac 19.50 VDC 4.50 mm x 2.90 mm 65W(19.5V-3.34A) round 4.5mm tip - |- | <!--Name-->Vostro 5415, Inspiron 5515 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 5300U, Ryzen 5 5500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 14" or 15.6in - avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use or use dell round ac 65W 4.5MM x 3.0MM - replacing keyboard not easy - 1 ddr4 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Vostro 3425, Vostro 3525, Vostro 5625 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 5425U, Ryzen 5 5625U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB4}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 14in 15.6" to 16" FHD 1080p - dell round ac 65w 4.5MM x 3.0MM or avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Inspiron 15 Model 3535, Inspiron 14 7435 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 7520U, AMD Ryzen 5 7530U, 7 7730U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{No| hdmi 1.4 but no gpmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2024 64bit - 14.0" or 15.6" 1080p - dell round ac 65w 4.5MM x 3.0MM or usb-c charging - full sd card slot - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |} ====Fujitsu-Siemens==== [[#top|...to the top]] Order of build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Amilo Esprimo Lifebook </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu [http://www.labri.fr/perso/fleury/index.php?page=bug_transmeta FMV-Biblo Loox S73A (Japan P1100) LifeBook P1120 Biblo Loox T93C (Japan P2120) P2020] || <!--Chipset-->Transmeta Crusoe CPU TM5600 633MHz with Ali M1535 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->ATI Rage Mobility M with 4MB SDRAM || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 Ali M1535 + STAC9723 Codec}} || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 only || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1999 32bit 10" 1280 x 600 matte LCD - QuickPoint IV mouse - metal chassis with palm rest plastic - 15GB 2.5 inch drive and SR 8175 8X DVD-ROM drive - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook S7000 S7010 S7010D S2020 || <!--Chipset-->Pentium M 1.6 or 1.7GHz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - Intel 855}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|AC97 with STAC 9751T or 9767 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros, Broadcom or Intel 2200BG - FN,F10}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit 14.1 inch with minimal support |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook e8010 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Intel 855GM}} || <!--Audio-->AC97 STAC9767 or ALC203 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom NetXtreme BCM5705M}} || <!--Wireless-->Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3.1 || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit 15.1 inch |- | <!--Name-->Stylistic ST5000 ST5010 ST5011 ST5012 ST5020 ST5021 ST5022 || <!--Chipset-->1.0GHz P-M and later 1.1GHz on Intel 855GME || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Intel 800 use VESA || <!--Audio-->Intel AC97 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM5788 tg3 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200BG}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit charged via a proprietary port power connector 16V 3.75A with wacom serial pen interface - indoor Screen transmissive 10.1 and later 12.1 XGA TFT - |- | <!--Name-->Amilo Pro V2010 || <!--Chipset-->VIA CN400 PM880 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{No|S3 unichrome use VESA}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|VIA AC97 VT8237 with codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Rhine 6102 6103 || <!--Wireless-->RaLink RT2500 || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit boot mount - unknown bootstrap error then crashes |- | <!--Name-->Amilo Li 1705 CN896 || <!--Chipset--> with VIA P4M900 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE}} || <!--Gfx-->ATi || <!--Audio-->{{No|VIA VT8237 HD Audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->VT82xx 62xx || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|VIA Rhine}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros G}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit random freezes |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> Esprimo Mobile V5535 Skt mPGA 478MN | <!--Chipset--> | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE and EIDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{maybe|IDE mode with SIS 5513}} | <!--Gfx--> {{maybe|SiS 771 / 671 (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|HD Audio SIS968 SIS966 SI7012 with ALC268 codec}} | <!--USB--> {{no|USB 1.1 and 2.0 issues}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|SiS 191 gigabit}} | <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros AR5001 mini pci express}} | <!--Test Distro-->aros one 1.5 usb | <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 20v barrel - f2 setup f12 multi boot - random freezing short time after booting - chipset SIS 671MX - |- | <!--Name-->Amilo SI 1520 1521p || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 2D}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio Conexant codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Intel Pro 100}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.2 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit - Set Bios option ATA Control Mode to Compatible |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook S7020 S7020D || <!--Chipset--> Pentium M 740 1.73MHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 915 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC260 codec || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM5751M Gigabit || <!--Wireless-->Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG or Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Stylistic ST5030 ST5031 ST5032 || <!--Chipset-->1 to 1.2GHx Pentium M with 915GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Intel 900 || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Marvell || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit charged via a proprietary port power connector 6.0 x 4.4 mm round - 200 pin ddr2 ram |- | <!--Name-->Stylistic ST5110 ST5111 ST5112 || <!--Chipset-->945GM with 1.2GHz Core Duo and Core2 Duo || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 900 || <!--Audio-->HD audio with STAC9228 codec || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 ABG or optional atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 either 32 or 64 bit - charged via a proprietary port power connector 6.0 x 4.4 mm round - SigmaTel® touchscreen - |- | <!--Name-->E8110 S7110 E8210 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|945GM}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC262 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8055 Gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel PRO Wireless 3945ABG}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit Core Duo |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || CHIPSET || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook PH521 || <!--Chipset-->AMD E-350 E-450 1.65GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->HD 6310M 6320M || <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC269 || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 802.11 bgn}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6 inch 1366x768 pixels - DDR3 1066MHz - |- | <!--Name-->LIFEBOOK E752/E782/S752/S782 || <!--Chipset--> with Intel Core i3-2328M to i3-3110M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82579V 1000 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel Wireless 6205 may be able to swap for Atheros 5k }} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 64bit || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====HP Compaq==== [[#top|...to the top]] Build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Presario Pavilion Omnibook ProBook Armada Elitebook </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->1c00 series Compaq Presario [http://users.utu.fi/sjsepp/linuxcompaqarmada100s.html Armada 100S made by Mitac], 1247 || <!--Chipset-->K6-II with PE133 MVP-4 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA - Trident Blade3D AGP sp16953 || <!--Audio-->VIA ac'97 audio [rev20] with AD1881A codec || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|usual VIA issues [rev10]}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit 192MB max - PCcard Texas PC1211 no support - 1200 XL1 1200-XL1xx, XL101, XL103 XL105 XL106 XL109 XL110 XL111 XL116 XL118 XL119 XL125 |- | <!--Name-->1c01 series Armada 110, Evo N150 || <!--Chipset-->Intel with VIA PLE133 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - Trident Cyber Blade i1 chipset || <!--Audio-->VIA 686 rev20 82xxx 686a || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 82557 Pro 100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit max 192mb sodimm 100Mhz 133Mhz ram memory - 1200-XL405A 12XL405A XL502A 12XL502A 1600XL |- | Armada M300 M700 E500 || 440BX || {{Yes| }} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|ATI Rage LT M1 Mobility (VESA only)}} || {{no|AC97 ESS Maestro 2E M2E ES1987 sound}} || {{yes|USB1.1 only}} || {{No|[http://perho.org/stuff/m300/index_en.html Intel PRO 100+ Mini PCI]}} || {{N/A}} || Aspire OS 2012, Nightly 30-01 2013 and 04-05 2013 || 1999 32bit - F10 bios options and Fn+F11 reset CMOS with 64mb ram already on board |- | <!--Name-->HP Omnibook XE3 || <!--Chipset-->Intel BX 600Mhz GC model 256mb or AMD GD 500Mhz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - S3 Inc. 86C270 294 Savage IX-MV (rev 11) || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1988 Allegro 1 (rev 12)}} || <!--USB-->Intel 82371AB PIIX4 USB (rev 01) || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit no cardbus pcmcia support - no audio from Polk Audio Speakers - |- | <!--Name-->HP Omnibook XE3 || <!--Chipset-->82830 ICH3 P3-M 750MHz 800Mhz 900MHz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - CGC 830MG}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1988 Maestro 3i}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|only one 1.1 port}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|e100 82557}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A|}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.51 || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit Boots USB Stick via Plop boot floppy - Memory for GF 256-512mb, GS up 1GB |- | <!--Name-->TC1000 TC-1000 Tablet PC || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA NV11 [GeForce2 Go] (rev b2) || <!--Audio-->VIA AC97 Audio (rev 50) || <!--USB-->OHCI NEC USB 2.0 (rev 02) || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 82551 QM (rev 10) || <!--Wireless-->Atmel at76c506 802.11b || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit Transmeta LongRun (rev 03) with VT82C686 - Texas Instruments TI PCI1520 PC card Cardbus |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq R3000 ZV5000 (Compal LA-1851) || <!--Chipset-->Nvidia nForce 3 with AMD CPU || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia NV17 [GeForce4 420 Go 32M] || <!--Audio-->Nvidia || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom or Realtek RTL8139 || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4303 BCM4306 or Atheros bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - HPs have a setting to automatically disable wireless if a wired connection is detected |- | <!--Name-->Compaq [http://www.walterswebsite.us/drivers.htm Presario 700 series] || <!--Chipset-->VT8363 VT8365 [Apollo Pro KT133 KM133] || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VT8636A (S3 Savage TwisterK) (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|VIA AC97 [rev50] with AD1886 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|VIA UHCI USB 1.1 [rev1a]}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RealTek RTL8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom BCM4306}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit poor consumer grade level construction - jbl audio pro speakers - no support for cardbus pcmcia TI PCI1410 - 700A EA LA UK US Z 701AP EA BR FR 701Z 702US 703US AP JP audio sp18895 Sp19472 |- |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | N400c || P3-M 82845 || {{yes|82801 CAM IDE U100}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Rage Mobility 128 (VESA only)}} || {{No|Maestro 3 allegro 1}} || {{yes|USB1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VM (KM)}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit Has no optical disc drive |- | N410c || P3-M 82845 || {{yes|82801 CAM IDE U100}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Radeon Mobility M7 LW 7500 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|Intel AC97 with AD1886 codec}} || {{yes|USB1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VM (KM)}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit Has no optical disc drive |- | Evo N600c || Pentium 4 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI Radeon Mobility M7 (VESA only)}} || {{No|ESS ES1968 Maestro 2}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.3 || 2003 32bit |- | Evo N610c || Pentium 4 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI Radeon Mobility M7 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|Intel ICH AC97 with AD1886 codec}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || |- | N800c || P4 || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI Radeon Mobility 7500 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit P4M CPU can get very warm |- | <!--Name-->NX7010 || <!--Chipset-->Intel || <!--IDE-->{{yes|IDE}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI mobility 7500 or 9000 Radeon 9200 64MB (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 ADI codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|uhci (1.1) and ehci (2.0)}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200b bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Preasrio V5000 (Compal LA-2771) || <!--Chipset-->AMD Sempron 3000+ or Turion ML with SB400 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - Ati RS480M Xpress 200}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 ATI with Conexant CX 20468 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8100 8101L 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|bcm4318 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2004 64bit single core machine V5001 V5002 V5002EA V5003 |- | <!--Name-->TC1100 TC-1100 Tablet PC || <!--Chipset-->855PM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia Geforce4 Go || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|BCM 4400}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros wlan W400 W500 or ? bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit |- | <!--Name-->NC6000 NC8000 NW8000 || <!--Chipset-->855PM with Pentium M 1.5 1.6 1.8GHz 2.0GHz || <!--IDE-->max 160 GB for NW 8000 || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Ati RV350 mobility 9600 M10 Fire GL T2 ISV use VESA 2D as no laptop display}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel AC97 with ADI codec playback only}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|2 ports}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM 5705M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|mini pci Atheros 5212 BG W400 W500 or Intel - all bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 based [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=41916&forum=47 works] - Firewire TI TSB43AB22/A - 8 pound 2.5 kg travel weight - an SD slot as well as two PC Card slots - 15-inch UXGA screen (1,600 x 1,200) or 15" SXGA+ (1400 x 1050) (4:3 ratio) |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Compaq NC6110 NX6110 NC6120 NC6220 NC4200 NC8200 TC4200 || <!--Chipset-->GMA 915GML || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D GMA 900}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 with ADI AD1981B playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|440x or BCM 5705M or 5751M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel IPW 2200 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5.2 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit Sonoma based - Wifi with Atheros AR5007eg if apply hacked bios RISKY else use USB one - (INVENTEC ASPEN UMA MV) (INVENTEC ASPEN DIS PV) - |- | <!--Name-->Compaq C500 CTO aka HP G7000 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 945GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with realtek ALC262 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom BCM 4311 bios locked || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->HP DV6000 || <!--Chipset-->945GMS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio IDT 92HD 91B || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel PRO 100 VE || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32 bit only - Mosfet FDS6679 common cause of shorts giving no power to the tip. To reset adapter, unplug from AC (mains) and wait 15-30 sec. Then plug in again - |- | Presario F700 series, HP G6000 f730us F750 F750us F755US F756NR F765em || AMD Turion Mono MK-36 2.0Ghz NForce 560m or Twin X2 TK-55 with nForce 610m MCP67 || {{N/A| }} || {{Yes|but needs special sata adapt bit and caddy}} || {{Yes|GF Go 7000m 2D and 3D 640x350 to 1280x800 - ball solder issues due to poor cooling}} || {{Maybe| }} || {{Maybe|uhci and ehci boots}} || {{No|Nvidia }} || {{Yes|Atheros AR5007 bios locked}} || Icaros 1.3.1 and Aros One 1.6 USB || 2006 64bit - f9 boot device f10 bios setup - random freezes after a minutes use means internal ventilation maintenance needed each year essential - No sd card and overall limited phoenix bios options - |- | <!--Name-->Presario v6604au v6608au V3500 || <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA MCP67M with AMD Athlon64 X2 TK 55 amd 1.8ghz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|SATA 150}} || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA GeForce Go 7150M 630i or C67 630M MCP67 || <!--Audio-->conexant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia or Realtek 10/100 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom 4311 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit Altec Lansing Stereo Speakers - ball solder issues - |- | <!--Name-->Compaq presario v6610 v6615eo v6620us || <!--Chipset-->Turion 64 X2 mobile TK-55 / 1.8 GHz to athlon 64x2 @ 2.4ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|SATA 150}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|geforce 7150 or 7300m 2d and 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AMD HD Audio with IDT codec stereo playback only}} || <!--USB-->3 OHCI EHCI || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3 - || <!--Comments-->2007 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=40956&forum=48 works well] - 1 x ExpressCard/54 - SD Card slot - AO4407 test voltage of the Drain side (pins 5-8) with AC adapter and no battery, see 0 volts, connect the battery you should have 10-14v - |- | <!--Name-->v6630em v6642em || <!--Chipset-->nForce 630M with AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-58 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA GeForce 6150M or 7150M || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 15.4 in 1280 x 800 ( WXGA ) - |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq NC6400 || <!--Chipset-->945GM Core Duo || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|GMA 950 2D issues and no 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio AD1981HD}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|BCM }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros || <!--Comments-->2007 - replaced with Atheros AR5007eg if apply hacked bios RISKY else use USB g - * 32bit Core Duo T2400 * 64bit Core 2 Duo T5600 T7600 |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq NV NC6400 || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo + 945PM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Radeon x1300M (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with ADI1981 low volume}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|BCM 5753M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 ABG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.4.2 || <!--Opinion-->2007 Harmon Kardon speakers |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq NC6320 || <!--Chipset-->945GM with * 32bit Core Duo 1.83GHz T2400 * 64bit Core2 Duo 1.83GHz T5600 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 950 2D with a little 3D tunnel 213}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD Audio with AD1981HD codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|BCM 5788}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2 || <!--Comments-->2007 replaced with Atheros AR5007eg if applying hacked wifi bios RISKY!! else use USB - 14.1" or 15 inch XGA 1024x768 - noisy cpu fan for core2 - trackpad rhs acts as window scroller - |- | <!--Name-->HP NC4400 TC4400 Tablet || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo with 82945 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|bios F.07 limits to 100GB 120GB}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|2D and 3D 282 tunnel and gearbox 150}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ADI 1981HD codec via ear phones}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|BCM 5753M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 or BCM 4306 - Whitelist BIOS F.0C needed but risky}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->2008 64 bit possible with Core2 - TI SD card reader non bootable - wacom serial digitiser pen not working - * 32bit 1.86GHz core duo * 64bit 2Ghz T7200, 2.16Ghz Core 2 Duo T7600 2.33GHz |- | <!--Name-->HP Pavilion DV2000 CTO || <!--Chipset-->945GMS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950, X3100, Nvidia 8400M || <!--Audio-->HD Audio Conexant CX 20549 Venice || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia MCP51 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM 4311 or Intel 3945 4965 ABG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 Atheros AR5007eg if apply hacked bios RISKY |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Presario C700 || <!--Chipset-->GMA960 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->X3100 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139 || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros AR5007 AR5001 AR242x}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 |- | <!--Name-->Compaq 2510p 6510b 6710b 6910b || <!--Chipset-->GMA 965GM GL960 || <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|X3100 some 2d but slow software 3d only}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio ADI AD1981 HD low volume on head phones}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82566 or Broadcom BCM 5787M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945ABG or 4965ABG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aspire OS Xenon 2014 || <!--Comments-->2008 no sd card boot support - F9 to choose boot option - [http://forums.mydigitallife.info/threads/7681-This-is-no-request-thread!-HP-COMPAQ-bioses-how-to-modify-the-bios/page111?p=333358#post333358 whitelist removal (risky) bios block for wifi card swap] |- | <!--Name-->CQ40 CQ41 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Intel}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BC4310 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Presario CQ35 CQ36 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4312 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 Compal LA-4743P - |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq CQ42 CQ43 CQ45 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Coxenant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8191SE, Realtek 8188CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 (Quanta AX1) |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Presario CQ50 CQ56 || <!--Chipset-->Nvidia MCP78S || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Geforce 8200M || <!--Audio-->nVidia HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->nvidia MCP77 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR928X bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 [http://donovan6000.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/insyde-bios-modding-wifi-and-wwan-whitelists.html bios modding risky] MCP72XE MCP72P MCP78U MCP78S |- | <!--Name-->CQ60 || <!--Chipset-->Single core Sempron to dual turion || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Nvidia 8200M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 |- | <!--Name-->HP DV6700 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{no|Vesa for Nvidia 8400M}} || <!--Audio-->{{no| }} || <!--USB-->{{no| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->CQ60 || <!--Chipset-->Intel C2D || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Nvidia 9200M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->CQ57z || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD E-300 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA ATi HD 6310 wrestler}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek RTL8101 RTL8102}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RaLink RT5390}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->HP CQ58z 103SA E5K15EA || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD Dual-Core E1-1500 APU with A68M FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Radeon HD 7310}} || <!--Audio-->Realtek idt codec || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 10/100 BASE-T}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 39.6 cm (15.6") HD BrightView LED-backlit (1366 x 768) |- | <!--Name-->HP 635 DM1 || <!--Chipset-->Slow E-300, E-450 later E2-1800 on SB7x0 SB8x0 SB9x0 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->ATI non efi SATA AHCI - IDE mode || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA 2D - AMD HD6310, 6320 to HD7340}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ALC270A GR but not Wrestler HDMI Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 driver covers Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 14" 1366 x 768 - f9 f10 - external battery - 2 stacked ddr3l sodimm slots max 16Gb under one base plate - removable keyboard - |- | <!--Name-->HP G6 2000-2b10NR 2000-2d10SX 2000-2d80NR || <!--Chipset-->E1-2000 E2-3000M on A50M (soldered) A4-3305A on A60M (socket) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Radeon 6320, 6620G, 6520G, 6480G, 6380G}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek 100 1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 39.6-cm (15.6-in) HD LED BrightView (1366×768) - 1 or 2 ddr3l max 8G - 19VDC 3.42A Max 65W Tip 7.4mm x 5.0mm - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 6465B || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-3310MX or A6-3410MX with A60M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD 6480G or 6520G}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|IDT 92HD81B1X}} || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel AC 6205 or broadcom 4313 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 13-inch or 14-inch runs hot - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 8470p 8570p || <!--Chipset-->Quad i7-3840QM, i7-3610QM, i7-3520M, i5-3210M, i3-3130M, i3-2370M on Intel QM77 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|set the bios boot options to not fastboot and drive mode IDE rather than AHCI }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for HD4000 with some having switchable Radeon M2000 or 7570M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio for IDT codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel 82579LM }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel, Broadcom, Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro-->64 bit boots from CD* if safe mode 2 is used, although it is possible to remove the 'nodma' and 'debug' entries and boot || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit with SSE4.1 and AVX - 14in 1600 x 900 to 1366 x 768 - 2 DDR3L sodimm slots max 16Gb - TPM 1.2 - dual boot 32/64 bit is working fine - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 6475b, Probook 4445s 4545s, HP Pavilion 15-b115sa, [https://support.hp.com/gb-en/document/c04015674#AbT6 HP mt41 Mobile Thin Client PC] || <!--Chipset-->AMD A4 4300M, A6 4400M 4455M or A8 4500M with AMD A70M A76M FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 7420 7520G 7640G 7660G}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio with idt or realtek codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek RTL8151FH-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6205 or Broadcom BCM 43228 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6-inch - |- | <!--Name-->HP ENVY 15-k112nl K1Y78EA || <!--Chipset-->Intel® Core™ i7 i7-4510U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 850M || <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwood usb3 test iso || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 15.6" 768p to 1080p - 19.5V 3.33A/4.62A/6.15A 65W/90W/120W AC - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 255 G1, 455 G1 F2P93UT#ABA, 645 G1, Envy 15-j151ea G7V80EA, Envy m6-1310sa (E4R01EA#ABU) || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD Dual-Core E1-1500, or AMD Quad A4-4300M A8-4500M A10-4600M A4-5150M A6-5350M 2.9Ghz A10-5750M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for 7310, 7420G 7520G 7640G 7660G 8350G 8450G or 8550G, 8650G, 8750G }} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio IDT 92HD91 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 14in and 15in 1366 x 768 - external battery - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - 19.5v / 4.62A psu runs hot - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 245 G4, 255 G2, 455 G2, 255 G3, 455 G3, 255 G4 80CB, 255 G5 82F6, 355 G2, HP Pavilion 15-p038na 15-g092sa 15-p091sa 15-G094S 15-p144na 15-p142na, 15-Af156sa || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD A4-5000 A6-5200, E2-6110, E1-6010 E2-2000, E1-2100 E2-3800, A4-6210 A6-6310 A8-6410, E2-7110, A6-7310 A8-7410 APU on A68M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata some with cdrw dvdrw || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon R2 R4 R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio ALC3201-GR}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8102E or Atheros 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Qualcomm Atheros AR9565}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit most have SSE4 AVX but E2-2000 does not - 15.6-inch (1366 x 768) - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - small 31Whr or 41Whr external battery covers 240 G4, 245 G4, 250 G4, 255 G4, 256 G4, 14G, 15G - keyboard repair swap requires removal of all components - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 725 G2, 745 G2, 755 G2 || <!--Chipset-->Amd Quad A6-7050B A8-7150B 1.9GHz A10-7350B || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA on AMD R4 R5 Radeon R6 with DP and vga}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD audio with IDT 92HD91}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 PCIe GBE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom or Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 12.5-inch, 14" or 15.6in (all 1366 x 768) - 19.5V 65w 45W AC adapter - internal pull up tab battery under base which slides off - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - keyboard swap requires removal of all components - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 645 g2, Probook 445 G2, Probook 245 G2 most have cmos rtc battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-8600 A8-8700 a10- || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Radeon R5 R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel I219V 100/1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel or Qualcomm Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 14in and 15.6-inch HD (1366 x 768) or FHD 1080p - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots max 16GB - internal battery - hp ac psu tip - |- | <!--Name-->HP Probook 455 G3 should have a cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD A10-8700P || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 2.5in sata and most should have 9.5mm dvd-rw || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Radeon R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Conexant CX7501 codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|RTL8188EE }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 725 G3, 745 G3, 755 G3, 725 G4, 745 G4, 755 G4, HP mt43 || <!--Chipset-->Amd A8-8600B, A10-8700B, A12-8800B to Quad A8 Pro 9600B to A10 9800 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA on AMD R5 R6 R7 with DP and vga but screen is low res, dull colours, and blurry}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD audio with IDT codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 5762 PCIe GBE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8723BE-VB}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - 12.5-inch (1366 x 768) to 14" and 15.6in - 2 sodimm ddr3 - 19.5V 45W AC slim 4.5mm hp adapter - randomly shuts down and the noisy fans constantly on - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 645 G3, 655 G3 should have a cmos rtc battery - || <!--Chipset-->AMD 8th Gen A10-8730B, A8-9600B (4c4t) A6-8530B (2c2t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for AMD R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel or Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 15.6in - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - keyboard repair swap requires removal of all components - |- | <!--Name-->HP Probook 455 G4, Probook 455 G5, should have cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD A10-9600P APU, A9-9410, A6-9210 APU || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon R4, R5 or R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|realtek or intel Wireless-AC 7265}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit 15.6in 1366 x 768 - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - keyboard swap problematic - rr03xl battery - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 645 G6, 255 G6 (), 255 G7 (la-g078p), HP Pavilion 14-BW - no cmos battery so needs internal battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD E2-9000e, A9-9420, 9220P, A4-9125 (all 2c) AMD A6-9225 AMD A9-9425 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in (possibly requires the drive cable and M.2 sata3, most have no internal cdrw dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for R2 R3 R4}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x157a or 0x1002, 0x15b3 with ALC codec 0x10EC, x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8188CTV, RTL8821CE or Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p all - 19.5V 65W - DDR4 slot max 8Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP Pavilion 14-BS, HP 15-BS no cmos battery but main battery || <!--Chipset-->Intel i3-6006u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in (possibly requires the drive cable and M.2 sata3, most have no cdrw dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for Intel}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x8086, 0x9d70 with ALC codec 0x10EC, x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8188CTV, RTL8821CE or Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p all - 19.5V 65W - DDR4 slot max 8Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->ProBook 245 g8 - no cmos rtc coin battery but uses main battery || <!--Chipset-->Range all dual cores - AMD A6-9225 APU, AMD A4-9125 APU, AMD PRO A6-8350B APU, AMD PRO A4-5350B APU || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->m.2 sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA R4 R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - many variants - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->Pavilion 15z bw0xxx, 15-bw024na 15-ba506na (), 15-bw060na () 15-DB0521SA (LA-G076P), HP Envy x360 () 15-ar052sa 2 in 1 (), no cmos battery but main battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD A9-9420 2c 2t, A10-9620p 4c4t 9700p 7th Gen Bristol Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata and an extra 2.5in sata if detachable 8pin ribbon cable present || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA R5 GCN 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio 0x1022, 0x157a with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit AVX2 - 15.6in 768p or 1080p - internal battery - 19.5V 2.31A hp plug - 1 DDR4-1866 SDRAM sodimm slot - keyboard swap problematic - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Probook 255 G7 84AE 7DE72EA 7DE73EA (epv51 la-g076p) - CMOS Error (502) replace main internal battery HT03XL to have bios remember settings || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 2200U 2300U (2c4t), R5 2500U, R7 2700U (4c8t) Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|M.2 (Sata or NVMe) and very optional 2.5in sata, most have mini sata port}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d 640p to 768p for AMD Vega 3, 6, or 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with ALC236 0x10ec, 0x0236 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8821CE, 8822BE or Intel AC 8265}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS x64 deadwoods' iso does not boot with cd/dvd and installed to 2.5in ssd, boots to grub choice, select but no further and reboots || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - 12.5 to 15.6in 768p mostly to 1080p - 1 on smaller laptops or 2 ddr4 2400mhz sodimm slots on larger laptops max 16Gb - hp 4.5mm blue tip charging - keyboard swap problematic - esc boot options f9 boot order f10 bios - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteBook 725 G5, 735 G5, 745 G5, 755 G5, Probook 455 G6 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 2200U 2300U (2c4t), R5 2500U, R7 2700U (4c8t) Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|M.2 (Sata or NVMe) and very optional 2.5in sata, some have mini sata port but no cdrw dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d 640p to 768p for AMD Vega 3, 6, or 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with ALC 0x10ec, 0x0 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8821CE, 8822BE or Intel AC 8265}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS untested || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - 12.5 to 15.6in 768p mostly to 1080p - 1 on smaller laptops or 2 ddr4 2400mhz sodimm slots on larger laptops max 16Gb - hp 4.5mm blue tip charging - keyboard swap problematic - esc boot options f9 boot order f10 bios - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP 14-cm, 15-bw0, HP 15-db0043na, HP 15-db0996na, HP 15-db0997na, 17-ca0007na, 17-ca1, ProBook 645 G4 - no cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2200U (2c 4t) 2500U (4c 8t) with AMD Carrizo FCH 51 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 M.2 and 1 2.5in on some larger models and hdd port }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon R5 and later Vega 3 or 7}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio 0x1002, 0x103c or 0x1022, 0x157a with Realtek ALC3227 0x10ec, 0x0227 and ATI HDMI}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|USB3 USB boot drive stuck on kitty's eyes}} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 RTL8111E || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL 8723DE 8821 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2020 Icaros 2.3 USB, || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit 2kg - screen is dim 14in, 15.6in or 17.3" 768p, later 1080p - 65W 19.5V ac adapter - internal 3-cell 41 Wh Li-ion battery does not last long - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - no DVD-Writer - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 250 G7 - no cmos battery so needs internal battery and needs usb3 boot due to rubbish bios boot options || <!--Chipset-->Intel 8235U 8265U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|M.2 nvme not working, optional sata 2.5in requires LS-G072P and ribbon cable, if internal cdrw dvdrw partial boot}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Intel WhiskeyLake-U 620 GT2 UHD}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x8086, 0xa170 or 0x8086, 0x9dc8 with ALC236 codec 0x10EC, x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|Cannon Point-LP USB3.1 xHCI}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8821CE or Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error or usb2 kitty eyes || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit 1080p all - 19.5V 65W - DDR4 slot max 16Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP 255 G7 7DC73EA 2D200EA 87CE (fpp55 la-g07jp), - CMOS Error (502) replace 41.04Wh ht03xl hto3xl dynapack suzhou main battery to have bios remember settings || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' R5 3500U (4c8t) '''untested''' mostly dual cores - AMD Athlon Gold 3150U (2c2t), Silver 3050U APU (2c2t), Ryzen 3 Pro 3145U APU, 3200U (2c4t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 m.2 NVMe or sata3 up to 2280, optional 2.5in sata, many have mini-sata slimline 6+7 internal port but no physical 9mm drive}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D from 640p to 1080p for AMD Vega 3, 6 or 8 with up to 2gb ram taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with realtek ALC236 codec 0x10ec, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 but no usb-c}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek GbE RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 8822BE}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 Aros One 32bit and 64bit burnt iso does not fully boot (stuck on kitty's eyes) and installed onto 2.5in on another compatible computer, sometimes has dosboot bootstrap error -6 || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in / 15.6in dim tn panel 768p or 1080p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 16gb - hp 19.5V 45W 65W AC blue tip round 4.5 mm - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - caps lock blinking 3 times then 2 quick pulses means ram or bios issue - f9 boot order f10 uefi - laptop needs usb3 to boot and use so avoid until usb3 arrives |- | <!--Name-->[https://support.hp.com/gb-en/document/c06955717 ProBook 245 g8], Probook 445R G6, 455R G6, HP14-dk0599sa, pavilion 15-cw1511na 15-cw1507sa, HP 15s-eq1516sa || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Gold 3150U (2c2t), Silver 3050U APU (2c2t), Ryzen 3 Pro 3145U APU, 3200U (2c4t) and 3500U (4c8t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 m.2 (NVMe or sata3 up to 2280), optional 2.5in sata but resets}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D from 640p to 1080p for AMD Vega 3, 6 or 8 with up to 2gb ram taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with realtek ALC codec 0x10ec, 0x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek GbE RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 8822BE}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in / 15.6in dim tn panel 768p or 1080p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 16gb - hp 19.5V 45W 65W AC blue tip round 4.5 mm - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - f9 boot order f10 uefi |- | <!--Name-->Elitebook 735 G6 5VA23AV, Elitebook 745 G6, 255 g8, HP 15s-dy - no cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD® Ryzen™ 5-3500U Ryzen 3-3300U AMD Ryzen 3-3250U AMD Athlon® Gold 3150U AMD Athlon Silver 3050U AMD 3020e || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|m.2 2280 nvme in legacy - hp sure start and secure boot disabled but still issues with gpt installs - LS-H323P LS-K201P}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Vega 8, 5 or 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 6.34 ahi with realtek ALC codec 0x10EC, 0x0295}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 type-A port boots stick partially to kitty eyes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 realtek RTL8111E or 8111H}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|realtek or intel}} || <!--Test Distro-->2024 Icaros 2.3 onto USB and AROS One 1.8 USB, || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6in 1366x768 to 1920x1080 - 2 3200MHz DDR4 sodimms - 19.5V 2.31A or 20V 2.25 45W 4.5X3.0MM hp - esc bios setup, f9 boot device select - low travel keyboard - poor hw03xl or battery life - plastic hooked base with retained screws - touchpad? - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 445 G7, 455 G7 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 4300U 5 4500U 4700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 sata and 1 nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with realtek alc236 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek rtl8111ep}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|realtek RTL8822CE or intel AC 9260 or Wi-Fi 6 AX200}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14 inch 768p or 1080p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - smart 45w 65w hp or usb-c charging - keyboard swap problematic - RE03XL battery - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteBook 745 G7, 845 G7, HP 15-EH0006NA || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300U, 5 4500U, PRO 4650U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->SSD M.2 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Radeon Vega 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|Hdaudio with codec 0x10EC, 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - Bang & Olufsen speakers - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 255 G8, HP 245 G9, ProBook 255 G9 816C2EA#ABE, - no cmos battery only internal battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD RYZEN 3 5300u, 5425U, 5 5500U 5625U, 7 5700u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|NVMe}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Vega 6 or 8 hdmi 1.4B}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822CE or Intel}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 14" to 15.6in 768p to 1080p poor gamut - 45 or 65w hp psu - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 16GB - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteBook 645 g7, 835 G8, 845 g8, HP ENVY x360 13 15, HP 17-cp0021na || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 5650U, 7 5800U, R7 Pro 5850U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Radeon}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x, 0x with ALC3247 aka ALC236 codec 0x10ec, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek 1Gbe on 645 only}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 13.3" or 14" 1080p - poor screens low nits and srgb score - 845 gets hot ue to poor cooling - slim round hp ac - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP Dev One, HP ProBook 455 G8 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 7 5800U, R7 5850U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 15.6" 1080p - 2 internal sodimm slots - hp barrel charging - |- | <!--Name-->Elitebook 655 g9 669y1ut#aba, || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5675U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 15.6" 1080p - 1 or 2 internal sodimm slots - usb-c charging - |- | <!--Name-->HP probook 635 Aero G8 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 5600U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2921 64bit - 14in 1080p - 2 ddr4 slots - ec chip nuvoton NPCX797HA1B - bios winbond 250256JYEN - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 845 g9 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6000 series 6850u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->M.2 NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }}Qualcomm Atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit aluminum case - 14in 1080p to 2140p 16:10 poor screen again - 2 internal ddr5 sodimm slots - usb-c ac charging avoid any knocks - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 445 G10, 455 G10 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 7530U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Vega 7 || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15.6in - hp round ac - |- | <!--Name-->Hp 455 G11 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 7335U (4c8t), 5 7535U (6c12t), 7 7735U (8c16t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Vega 7 || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 35.6 cm (14.0 in) 1920x1200 or 2560x1600 - usb-c 45w or 65w ac - 2 ddr5 sodimm slots max 32gb - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====IBM/Lenovo==== [[#top|...to the top]] Build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > iSeries Edge Ideapad Thinkpad - good cases and construction but electronic internals same as anyone else </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad 390X 390E (2626) || <!--Chipset-->Neo Magic MM2200 with C400 P2-266 to P3 500MHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA || <!--Audio-->{{No|256AV or ESS Solo-1}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad 600x || <!--Chipset-->Intel 440BX || <!--IDE-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Neomagic NM2360 MagicMedia 256ZX}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|Crystal CS4297A codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3.1 || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit a little support - earlier 600 and 600e were Pentium 2 based |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X20 (2662-32U) X21 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 440 BX ZX DX || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 with Cirrus Logic Crystal cs4281}} || <!--USB-->1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->no mini pci intel e100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit |- | Thinkpad T20 (2647) T21 (26) T22 || 440BX || {{Maybe| }} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|Savage IX-MV (VESA only)}} || {{no|Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/ 24/30}} || {{yes|USB 1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2002 32bit |- | <!--Name-->A21e (2628, 2655) A22e || <!--Chipset-->440MX || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Ati rage mobility || <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 Cs4299 CS4229}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->intel e100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 |- | Thinkpad T23 (2647) || i810 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|S3 Super Savage IX/C SDR (VESA only)}} || {{maybe|AC'97 CS4299}} || {{yes|USB 1.1}} || {{yes|Intel ICH3 PRO 100 VE}} || {{no|Realtek RTL8180L others with bios hacking risky}} || || 2003 32bit with some support |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X22 X23 X24 || <!--Chipset-->830 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ATi Mobility M6 LY || <!--Audio-->Ac97 CS4299 || <!--USB-->2 x 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->Intel Pro 100 || <!--Wireless-->Actiontec Harris Semi Intersil Prism 2.5 (X23 and X24 only) || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit with slice Ultrabase X2 - |- | <!--Name-->A30 A30p || <!--Chipset-->830 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Ati Radeon M6 || <!--Audio-->AC97 CS 4299 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel Pro 100 ve || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->A31 A31p R31 R32 T30 || <!--Chipset-->830 || <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Gfx-->Ati Radeon 7500 or FireGL || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 Intel with AD1881A codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes| Intel Pro 100 ve}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->[https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Android-Ecosystem-Developers/AROS-An-operation-system-inside-Android/td-p/1441741 Icaros 1.5.2] || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit Also tested with Icaros 2.0.3. |- | Thinkpad X30 (2673) X31 (2884-xx2) X31t || i830 || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA only Radeon M6 Mobility}} || {{yes|AC97 - AD1981B codec}} || {{yes|USB 1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{no|Cisco Aironet or Intel 2915 but atheros with bios hacking}} || Icaros 1.4 || 2004 32bit sound bit distorted |- | <!--Name-->R50e R51 || <!--Chipset-->855M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Intel 855M use VESA}} || <!--Audio-->intel AC97 with AD1981B codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Intel 100 VE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - |- | IBM Thinkpad T40 (2373) T41 T41p (2379) T42 T42p T43 T43p || Intel 8xx || {{partial|PIO}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI mobility 7500 9000 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97 playback}} || {{yes|uhci 1.1 and ehci 2.0}} || {{no|e1000}} || {{Maybe|Intel 2200bg bios locked but possible AR5BMB-44 AR5212 FRU 39T0081 mini PCI}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2004 32bit 16v IBM plug - Centrino Needs ATA=nodma option - issues with the inner chip of the SMT BGA graphics chip |- | Thinkpad X32 || i855 || {{yes|40, 60 or 80GB 2.5" PATA HDD}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA only ATI Mobility Radeon 7000 with 16MB}} || {{maybe| Intel AC'97 Audio with a AD1981B codec}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Intel 1000}} || {{no|Intel 2200 but atheros with bios hacking}} || 2016 Icaros 2.1 || 2004 32bit - 12.1" TFT display with 1024x768 resolution; 256 or 512MB PC2700 memory standard (2GB max) |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X40 X40t by Quanta || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel 800 (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel e1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel but most atheros with bios hacking - difficult though}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit last IBM design |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X41 (IBM) MT 1864 1865 2525 2526 2527 2528 x41t (Lenovo) MT 1866 1867 || <!--Chipset-->Intel with single core 1.5 1.6 and tablet 1.2GHz || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 915GML 2D}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751M tg3}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel or MiniPCI Wi-Fi Atheros AR5BMB FRU 39T0081 but ordinary atheros 54meg needs risky bios hacking}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit - amongst first Lenovo design |- | <!--Name-->R52 (most 18xx) || <!--Chipset-->Intel 915 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 915GML 2D}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->R52 1846, 1847, 1848, 1849, 1850, 1870 || <!--Chipset-->ATi 200m || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{No|ATI}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751M tg3}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad T60 T60P * 64bit - 6 or 8 is 16:10 on T60/p, eg. 8742-CTO 15.4" * 32bit - 1 and 2 are 14", 15" 4:3, like 2007-YM3 or 1952-CTO || <!--Chipset-->*any* T60/p will take a Core 2 Duo CPU with newer BIOS || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA (2D) with "p" graphics card (ATi V5200 or V5250) || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || {{no|e1000e 82573L}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel ipw3945 ABG but atheros with Middleton's or Zender BIOS hacking risky}} || Icaros 1.4 || <!--Comments-->2006 - |- | <!--Name-->X60 x60s x60t tablet || <!--Chipset-->945GMS 940GML || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|AD1981 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 3945 ABG or fru 39T5578 Atheros 5K AR5BXB6 ar5007eg with bios hacking}} || <!--Comments-->Icaros 1.4 || 2006 32bit - perhaps needs a zendered bios update but risky |- | <!--Name-->R60 R60e || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->intel 950 with optional radeon x1300 x1400 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with 1981HD codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel or Broadcom || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel 3945 or atheros fru 39T5578 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit |- | Thinkpad T61 T61p without Middleton's or Zender BIOS || Core 2 Duo CPU T7300 T8300 || {{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || Intel GMA (2D), NVS 140m or Quadro FX 570M () || {{maybe|HD Audio with Analog Devices AD1984 or AD1984A HD Audio Codec routed to the line output}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || {{no|intel e1000e 82573L}} || {{No|Intel but atheros with bios hacking risky}} || Icaros 1.6, AROS One || 2007 64bit |- | <!--Name-->X61 x61s X61T Tablet || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo T8100 on i965 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 3100 (2D) slow 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|AD1984 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82566DM}} || <!--Wireless-->{{maybe|Atheros AR5212 (some revisions use Intel WLAN runs very hot) bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit ultrabook running very hot - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->R61 R61i || <!--Chipset-->Intel 965 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->intel 965 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with conexant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM5787M || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit |- | Lenovo 3000 N200 || <!--Chipset-->Santa Rosa || {{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || {{yes|Geforce 7300 (2D)}} || {{yes|ALC262 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || {{no|Broadcom}} || {{no|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || Icaros 1.4 || 2007 64bit 3D graphics parts are supported but buggy. |- | Lenovo 3000 N200 / V200 || GM965 ICH9-M with Intel Mobile Core 2 Duo T5450 || {{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || {{yes|X3100 (2D)}} || {{Maybe|HD Audio ALC269VB or CX20549}} || {{yes| }} || {{no|BCM5906M}} || {{no|Intel 3965 / 4965AGN bios locked}} || Icaros 1.4.1 2.1 || 2007 64bits of laptop works |- | <!--Name-->X300 || <!--Chipset-->Core 2 Duo Merom SL7100 1.2GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1.8 inch || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel X3100}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio AD1984A || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 4965 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 13.3" TFT 1440x900 (WXGA+) with LED backlight |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad Edge 11″ AMD K325 || <!--Chipset-->M880G || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA for ATI HD4200}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|8192CE (Realtek 8176) bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 little support |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X301 || <!--Chipset-->Core 2 Duo Penryn SU9400 Su9600 with GM45 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1.8 inch micro SATA (uSATA) || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel X4500}} || <!--Audio-->AD1984A || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 5xxx WiFi link 5100, 5150, 5300 and 5350 (WiMAX) bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 WXGA+ (1440×900) LED backlight display - 2774 or 4057 Alps and 2776 Synaptics touchpad - optical bay interface is Legacy IDE (PATA) - Addonics ADMS18SA, Lycom ST-170m |- | <!--Name-->X100e || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Neo Single-Core (MV-40) and dual cores || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|2.5in tray in ide mode in bios}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa ATI HD3200}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with CX20582 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek r8192se bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit 11.6in 1366 x 768 - 20v 65W round barrel - enter f1 setup f11 diagnostics f12 boot list - runs very warm - |- | <!--Name-->SL400 SL500 || Intel || {{N/A}} || {{Yes|IDE mode}} || {{Maybe|Nvidia 9400M}} || {{Maybe|ALC269}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{Maybe|RTL8169}} || {{Maybe| bios locked}} || || |- | <!--Name-->SL410 SL510 || 965 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE mode}} || {{maybe|Intel GMA X4500M (some 2D)}} || {{yes|HD Audio with ALC269 codec - speaker and ear phones}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{yes|RTL8169}} || {{Maybe| bios locked}} || [http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=645774&postcount=28 Icaros 1.3] || 2009 64bit SL-410 |- | <!--Name-->T400 ODM Wistron || <!--Chipset-->i || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Intel 4500MHD works limited 2d no 3d - optional switchable Nvidia or ATi HD3470 untested}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with Codec CX20561 (T400)}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel e1000e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel Wifi Link 5100 (AGN) half height card with FRU 43Y6493 or 5300 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit 20v lenovo plug - non-free firmware required iwlwifi |- | <!--Name-->T400s || <!--Chipset-->i || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VSEA for Intel 4500MHD works limited 2d no 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with CX20585}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel e1000e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel Wifi Link 5100 (AGN) half height card with FRU 43Y6493 or 5300 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit non-free firmware required iwlwifi |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo T500 T510 || <!--Chipset-->i || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA for switchable Intel / AMD HD 3640}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|Intel HD Audio with a CX20561 (t500) and CX20585 (T510) codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel or Lenovo branded unit Atheros AR5007EG AR5BHB63 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit |- | <!--Name-->X200 ODM Wistron [http://itgen.blogspot.co.uk/2008/12/installing-arch-linux-on-lenovo.html X200s] and x200t tablet model without [http://fsfe.soup.io/post/590865884/the-unconventionals-blog-English-Flashing-Libreboot-on Risky flash of the Libreboot BIOS] || <!--Chipset-->GM45 GS45 with slow Celeron, SU or faster SL Core 2 Duos CPUs || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe||Intel GMA 4500 MHD 2D but slow software 3D tunnel 10 gearbox 8 tests}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel HD Audio with Conexant CX20561 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{{Yes|USB 2.0 USB SD card reads and writes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82567LM Gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel Pro 5100 5150 5300 5350 AGN due to whitelist prevention bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0.1 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit 12.1" CCFL (webcam version) or LED backlit (no webcam). no support for 54mm express cards or Authentec 2810 fingerprint reader - thinkpoint only no trackpad - thinklight - |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo T410 T410s T410si || <!--Chipset-->qm57 with i5 m || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use vesa Intel 5700MHD (Ironlake) core processor igp with optional Nvidia Quadro NVS 3100M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio Conexant CX20585 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82577lm gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel n 6200 or Atheros AR9280 AR5BHB92 half size minipcie bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2 xmas || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit battery life much lower with Nvidia graphics version - no support firewire ricoh r5c832 - ricoh sd card - series 5 3400 |- | <!--Name-->X201 X201s x201t || <!--Chipset-->QM57 Core i3 370m, i5 M520 2.4GHz or i7 620LM 2.0GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|vesa 2d on Intel GMA HD}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel HD with [https://ae.amigalife.org/index.php?topic=94.0 Conexant 20585] codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2010 X201 arrandale power consumption limits battery life to 3-4 hours for 48Whr though to 6 on 72Whr - 12.5" WXGA |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Ideapad B470, B570, V370, V470, V570 || <!--Chipset-->Intel® Core™ i5 i5-2430M, i5-2450M, || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d for Intel || <!--Audio-->HDaudio 0x8086, 0x1c20 with codec || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|whitelisted}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - 14in or 15.6in 768p - |- | <!--Name-->T420 type 4180 4236, t420s , T520 4239 L520 || <!--Chipset-->i5 2540, 2520 or i7 2860QM 2620 has sse4.1 avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS but not AHCI}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 136 x 768 - Intel HD 3000 with optional NVS 4200M Nvidia optimus or Radeon HD 565v }} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio playback ear phones only with Conexant CX20672 codec - AHI 6.27}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO 1000 82579LM}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 1x1, Intel Ultimate-N 6205 6250 2x2 6300 3x3 all bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2.2 add noacpi to grub boot options || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - screen 1600x900 or 1366x768 - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots max 16gb - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad W520 || <!--Chipset--> has sse4.1 avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Intel HD 3000 with nvidia quadro 1000m 2000m optimus issues with Nvidia Intel hybrids}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel Hd with CX 20585 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel 82579 Lm}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6000s}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - 15.6" TFT display with 1366x768 (HD), 1600x900 (HD+) or 1920x1080 (FHD) resolution with LED backlight |- | <!--Name-->X220 x220t || <!--Chipset-->QM67 express, dual i5 2520M or i7 dual 2620M sse4.1 avx support || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS but not AHCI}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D 1024 x 768 for Intel HD Graphics 3000}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel HD playback with Conexant 20672 codec ear phones and speaker - AHI 6.27 6.34}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel 82579LM}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6205 Wi-Fi bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3, Aros One USB 1.6 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit possible - uses slimmer 7 mm storage sata devices - NEC USB 3.0 on i7's - unwanted trackpad gestures when palms rests on it - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots - external battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X120e, x121e Quanta FL8A DAFL8AMB8D0 Rev D || <!--Chipset-->Hudson M1 with slow AMD E350 has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA ATI 0x9802}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ATI SBx00 Azalia HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->USB 2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->RTL8169 RTL8111 || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom 0x0576 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit 11.6 inch screen - 1 inch think - chiclet keyboard |- | <!--Name-->Ideapad S205 G575 G585, Edge 11 E325 || <!--Chipset-->Slow E-350 later E-450 with A75 or AMD Athlon II Neo has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA HD6310}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - removeable and plug in battery - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->Ideapad S206 || <!--Chipset-->AMD E300 1.3GHZ Dual has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD Audio with CX20672 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|3.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom 10/100 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6" and integrated battery - Conexant® |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo x130e or x131e edu || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD E-300 or E-450 has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon HD 6310 or 6320 }} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio Realtek ALC269VC / ALC3202 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|USB 30 and USB 20}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek RTL8111 RTL8168B}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8188CE or Broadcom BCM43228 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - rubber edged bumper for K12 education market - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad Edge E135 E335 || <!--Chipset-->amd dual E-300, E2-1800 or E2-2000 slow atom like A68M FCH has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|SATA 3.0Gb/s 2.5" wide 7mm high}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA radeon 6310 or 7340 vga or hdmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3202 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|2 usb3, 1 powered usb2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 8111f}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek WLAN whitelist bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6 inch to 13.3in 1366x768 - Acrylonitrile-Butadiene-Styrene (ABS) plastic case - external battery - 20v 65w lenovo barrel ac - 2 ddr3 sodimm 8Gb max - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkPad Edge E525 E535 LENOVO IDEAPAD Z575 || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-3420M A8-3500M later A8-4500M has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD 6620G later 7640G}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Conexant codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|USB2 but not usb3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6in 1368 x 768 matt - 65W 20v lenovo round psu - thick desktop replacement - ThinkPad Edge E520 E520S E525 E530 E545 E535 E530C Laptop Keyboard swap - |- | <!--Name-->T430 t430i T530 || <!--Chipset-->ivy bridge i5 3320 3230m on Intel QM77 has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 1366 x 768 for Intel HD 4000 with optional Nvidia 5400M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD with Realtek ALC3202 aka ALC269VC codec playback ear head phones - HDA 6.27}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2 ports and usb2.0 devices thru usb 3.0 ports}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel e1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel or Atheros AR9285 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit fan noise and chiclet keyboard, synaptics trackpad - HD+ 768p - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X230 x230t || <!--Chipset-->Intel QM67 express i5 has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD with ALC269 aka ALC3202}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|I}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - 12.2 in 1366 x 768 - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots - external battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad T440 t440s t440p T540 L440 L540 || <!--Chipset-->intel haswell 8 series Core i3 to i7 has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA - Intel 4600 or Nvidia}} || <!--Audio-->Intel HD with Realtek ALC3232 alc269 codec or ALC292 || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel AC 7260 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 14 and 15" models with glitchy trackpad and no physical buttons - keyboard repair not easy as well as 4 variants of key caps - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X240 x240t ultrabook TN (20AL0081GE), HD IPS display without touch (20AL007NGE) and touch (20AL0076GE) but all 65% sRGB || <!--Chipset-->haswell i7-4600U i5 4200U 4210U 4300U i3-4100U - two batteries, one internal 3cell 45N1110 (45N1111) or 45N1112 (FRU 45N1113) and external 3 / 6cell 45N1126 (FRU 45N1127) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in 7mm sata (torq t7), m.2 2242 in WWAN slot (m and b key NGFF Sata) || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for Intel 4400 for vga or mini-dp}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x8086, 0x0a0c 0x8086, 0x9c20 with Realtek ALC3232 aka ALC292 0x10ec, 0x0292}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel® 82577LM Gigabit (Hanksville) }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Intel 7260n I218-V or I218-LM bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 12.2in 1366 x 768 or 1080p - 1 ddr3l sodimm slot - no keyboard spill drainage and at least 2 variants of key caps - lenovo rectangle pwr ac - TPM 1.2 - Bluetooth 4.0 no support - large touchpad with integrated but no physical buttons - bottom panel loosening 8 retained screws - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkPad Edge E545 * key cap swap with E440 E531 E540 L440 L450 T431S T440S T440P T540 * Keyboard swap L540 T540p W540 Edge E531 E540 W541 T550 W550S L560 P50S T560 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Socket FS1r2 A6-5350M (2c2t) or A8-4500M, A8-5550M, A10-5750M (4c4t) with A76M FCH has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in 9.5mm - enter UEFI bios with Enter or ESC, config section, sata into compatibility and security, secure boot disabled - mini sata DVD burner PLSD DS8A9SH || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD 7640G, 8450G, 8550G, 8650G ?? Islands}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|VOID for HDAudio 6.34 0x1022, 0x780d with Conexant CX20590 Analog 0x14f1, 0x506e CX20671 codec 0x14f1, 0x5069 or audio over Trinity HDMI}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|boots pen drives from yellow usb port but not from blue USB3 ones, issues with AMD usb3 hardware quirks}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 1GbE 8111F}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM43142 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.3 USB works with noacpi added to end of grub2 boot line but not booting on AROS One 64bit 1.1 via usb2 stick or iso burnt to dvd || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit - 15.6in 1366 x 768 matt - 20v 65w 90w round lenovo plug psu - 2 DDR3 SODIMM slots 16GB Max - external 6 Cell Li-Ion Battery 48Wh l11s6y01 45n1043 - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery in wifi area jp1202 - amd v(tm) virtualization not working - |- |<!--Name-->AMD platform codes *Beema: ABM, *Carizzo-L: ACL, *Carizzo: ACZ, *Godavari: AGR, *Kaveri: AKV, *Stoney Ridge: ASR, *Stoney Ridge: AST (NB), || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> *Summit Ridge: ASU, *Bristol Ridge-L: ABL, *Bristol Ridge: ABR, *Raven Ridge: ARR, *Picasso: API |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.laptop-schematics.com/db/78/V%20series%20laptops%20(Lenovo)/ V110-14AST (14in) V110-15AST, V110-14ISK V110-15ISK 80TL (15")], || <!--Chipset-->AMD E1-9000, A6-9210 to A9-9410 all dual core and intel 6006u, 6100u, 6200u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 2.5in sata most 7mm some 9.5mm || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R2, R3, R5 or R6 or Intel Gfx}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 14in to 15.6in mostly 768p 220 nits - 20v 45W or 65W lenovo slim rectangle end ac - keyboard swap hard - integrated 24WHr battery - 4gb ddr4 ram soldered and 1 2133Mhz ddr4 slot max 12Gb - abs plastic - |- |<!--Name--> *ThinkPad A275 12in (1 ddr4 1866MHz sodimm) *Thinkpad A475 14in (2 ddr4 1866MHz sodimm) - both internal (main) and external (secondary) battery || <!--Chipset-->A10-8730B A10-9700B 2.500Ghz later A12-8830B A12-9800B all 4c4t (AVX2 on 9000s) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|7mm 2.5in sata with mbr and not gpt, setup in another machine - secure boot disabled, bios startup boot set to legacy then uefi - WWAN slot cannot use M.2 2242 sata with M and B key}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R5 or R7}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 6.34 ahi 0x1022, 0x157a with ALC3268 aka ALC298 codec 0x10ec, 0x0298 - VOID even with QUERY / QUERYD added}} || <!--USB-->{{no|USB3 error on boot suspect AMD usb3 quirk}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 RTL8111EPV}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822BE WLAN whitelist locked cannot swap}} || <!--Test Distro-->{{maybe|AROSOne USB 32bit 1.8 with noacpi noapic noioapic added to grub2 boot line but Aros One 64bit 1.2 USB has krnPanic }} || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit 12 or 14in 768p - 45W or 65w lenovo rectangle ac adapter - F1 enter bios and F12 boot order - 6 retained screws and snap on base - 2100 error message no solution except using only efi/gpt bios option - |- |<!--Name-->320S-15AST, 320S-15ABR, ideapad Slim 1-11AST-05 81VR || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9220e, AMD A6-9225, A9-9425, A10-9600P 7th Gen || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe| Vesa 2D for AMD}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 or Realtek RTL8821CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AVX2 - 14in or 15.6" 768p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Ideapad S145-14AST S145-15AST 81N3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9225, A9-9425, A10-9600P 7th Gen, AMD A12-9720P Mobo 5B20P11110 NMB341 Bristol Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon 8670A 8670M 8690M GCN 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 or Realtek RTL8821CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AVX2 - 14in or 15.6" 768p or 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Ideapad V145-14AST V145-15AST, 81mt, Ideapad 310, Ideapad 320-15ABR, Ideapad 330-14AST 330-15AST 330-17AST || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9225, A9-9425 (2c2t), A10-9600P 7th Gen, AMD A12-9720P Mobo 5B20P11110 NMB341 Bristol Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in with optional dvd}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon 8670A 8670M 8690M GCN 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with ALC3240-va3-cg aka ALC236? codec 0x10de, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 8106E 10/100 only}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 or Realtek RTL8821CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit AVX2 - 14in or 15.6" 768p or 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 45w 65w slim ac adapter - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo V330-14ARR 81B1, V330-15ARR 81, 330-14ARR 81 330-15ARR 81D2 - battery internal about 30whr || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen R3 2200U, 2300U or R5 2500U Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->M.2 nvme/sata, optional 2.5in sata but no dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 3, 6 or 8 up to 1Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x1002, 0x15de with Realtek® ALC5682I-VD codec 0x10de, 0x or coxenant CX11802 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14" 768p 20mm thick 1.8kg - 20v 2.25a 45w ac round barrel - chiclet keyboard - 4Gb soldered and 1 ddr4 sodimm - TPM 2.0 in bios - 4GB soldered - |- |<!--Name-->Ideapad 330s-14ARR, 330s-15ARR, ideapad 330S-14IKB, 330S-15IKB, - battery internal about 30whr || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen R3 2200U, 2300U or R5 2500U Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD or Intel 610, 620 up to 1Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14" 20mm thick 1.8kg - 20v 2.25a 45w ac round barrel - chiclet keyboard - 4Gb soldered and 1 ddr4 sodimm - TPM 2.0 in bios - 4GB soldered - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad Edge E485 E585 - internal battery only || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen R3 2300U R5 2500U R7 2700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|m.2 nvme optional 1 2.5in sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Vega 3, 8 or 10}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with CX11852 codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in or 15.6in 768p or 1080p - USB-C 20V 2.25A 3.25A avoid knocking charging port as damages easily - 2 ddr4 sodimm slot max 2400Mhz 32GB - TPM 2.0 software - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad A285 - internal and external battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen PRO 3 2200U 5 2500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|m.2 nvme/sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC ALC3287 codec aka ALC257 }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Mini-Ethernet/Docking}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm - WLAN whitelist no more??}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 12.5in 1080p - avoid usb-c port being lifted/moved whilst in use as damages laptop easily - soldered ram 8gb or 16gb - WWAN whitelist - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad A485 bios setting [https://github.com/PSPReverse/PSPTool AMD PSP Platform Security Processor Key] - internal and external battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen PRO 5 2500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata port and m.2 nvme port || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC ALC3287 codec aka ALC 257 }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUL}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi - WLAN whitelist no more??}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in 768p, 1080p or 1440p - avoid usb-c port being lifted/moved whilst in use as damages laptop easily - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 32gb - WWAN whitelist - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->[https://www.diy-laptoprepair.com/forum/fix-Lenovo-V155-15-repair-guide-schematics.php Lenovo v155-15api 81V5] V155 (15" AMD) budget all plastic build - MS new protocol, HID over I2C so [https://askubuntu.com/questions/1033033/elantech-touchpad-does-not-work-i2c-hid i2c] [https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/drivers/input/mouse/elantech.c?h=v6.17 i2c] [https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.16/input/devices/elantech.html PS2 hybrid trackpad] [https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/sys/dev/atkbdc/psm.c?h=releng/14.3 elantech] [https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sys/dev/pckbc/?only_with_tag=OPENBSD_7_8_BASE i2c-hid] 04F3:3140 touchpad not working - internal sunwoda battery L18D3PF1, L18L3PF1, L18C3PF2 35Whr most dead after 5 years || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' Ryzen 5 3500U and Ryzen 3 3200U - '''untested''' AMD Athlon 300U with bios winbond 25q64fwsiq soic 1.8v bios near nvme || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 M.2 nvme and usually 2.5in 7mm sata - install on mbr not gpt 2.5in in another compatible machine - mini sata dvd/cd da-8aesh11b will boot cd or dvd aros || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D to 1080p work for Vega 3 or 8 with up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken but hdmi 1.4b no output}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio add 0x1022, 0x15E3 with ALC3287 aka Realtek ALC257 codec 0x10ec, 0x0257 with 32bit on external speaker and most of the time works on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|2 USB3.0, on left hand side, detected but no usb-c ports}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS works well with 32bit and 64bit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Intel wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 AROS One 2.8 DVD 32bit and AROS One x64 1.1 and 1.2 iso DVD burnt || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6in 768p or 1080p 200nits tn panel - 4Gb ddr4 2400MHz soldered with 1 dimm slot max 20Gb - round ac 20V 65W psu 4.0mm x 1.7mm - Fn+F2 to enter bios and F12 boot order - no sd card slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - |- |<!--Name-->V15-ADA 82C700E4UK- elan touchpad not working - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD r5 3500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD + 1x M.2 SSD NVMe near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3, 8 with up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with R155189 ALC236 codec 0x10ec, 0x0236 on 32bit and on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 3500U with Aros One 32bit 2.8 installed to 2.5in drive on another machine and same for 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - noisy fan - |- |<!--Name-->V15-ADA 82C7 - elan touchpad not working - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Silver 3020e, Ryzen 3 3050U, 3150U, 3250U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD + 1x M.2 SSD NVme near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3, 8 with up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with RTS5119 R155119 ALC230 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3.0, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 Aros One 32bit 2.8 and 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - for this mbd bios ram disable doesn't work - noisy fan - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo V14-ADA 82C6, - elan touchpad not working - if blank black display, bios bug going from uefi->legacy so reset bios rhs push in with pin, then Down, ent, Right x3, ent, up, ent, right, ent x2 - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' 3250U - '''untested''' AMD Athlon Silver 3020e, Ryzen 3 3050U, 3150U - for this mbd GV451&GV551 NM-D151 bios ram disable doesn't work || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD if cbl + 1x M.2 SSD NVMe near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3 up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with Realtek ALC3223 RTS5119 R185199 aka ALC230 codec 0x10ec, 0x0230 on 32bit and on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 AMD 3250U with Aros One 32bit 2.8 installed to 2.5in drive on another machine and same for 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - F2 bios F12 select - |- |<!--Name-->IdeaPad 1 14ADA5 (low spec cpus) ideaPad 3 14ADA05, IdeaPad 3 15ADA05 81W100QVUK, IdeaPad 3 17ADA05 - elan touchpad not working - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Silver 3020e, Ryzen 3 3050U, 3150U, 3250U, Ryzen 5 3500U on mobo NM-C821 REV 0.2 1.0 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD if cbl + 1x M.2 SSD NVMe near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3, 8 up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with ALC230 codec 0x10ec, 0x0230 on 32bit and on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 Aros One 32bit 2.8 installed to 2.5in drive on another machine and same for 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - F2 bios F12 boot select - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo IdeaPad L340-15API 81LW001CUS L340-17API - elan trackpad not functioning - internal battery L18M3PF2 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon 300U, Ryzen 3 3200U r5 3500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 M.2 nvme and usually 2.5in sata if ribbon cable present - mini sata dvd/cd da-8aesh11b || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3 or 8 with up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken - hdmi 1.4b}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio add 0x1022, 0x15E3 with Realtek ALC236 0x10ec, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 not detected}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Intel wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.8 USB - install on mbr not gpt 2.5in in another compatible machine || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6in 768p or 1080p 200nits - 4Gb ddr4 2400MHz soldered with 1 dimm slot max 20Gb - round ac 20V 65W psu 4.0mm x 1.7mm - Return or F1 to enter bios and F12 boot order - no sd card slot - |- |<!--Name-->[https://www.laptop-schematics.com/db/78/T%20series%20laptops%20(ThinkPad)/ ThinkPad T295 T495] || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 3300U, R5 Pro 3500U or R7 3700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe up to 2280 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 6, 8 or 10 up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111EPV}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822BE or Intel AC 9260}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14in 768p but mostly FHD 1080p 250 nits - internal battery - ram 8gb or 16gb 2400Mhz soldered with 1 ddr4 slot on T495 only - TPM 2.0 - usb-c charging avoid knock whilst in use - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T495s (14in) X395 (13in) || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 3300U, R5 Pro 3500U or R7 3700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe up to 2280 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 6, 8 or 10 up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{unk| needs Lenovo ThinkPad Ethernet Adapter Gen 2 SC10P42352 or SC10P42354}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822BE or Intel AC 9260 wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 13in or 14in 768p but mostly FHD 1080p 250 nits - internal battery - ram 8gb or 16gb 2400Mhz soldered - TPM 2.0 - usb-c charging avoid knock whilst in use - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 Gen2, E15 Gen 2 (AMD) 20T8, - lenovo has a mobile phone PC Diagnostic App for error/beep codes || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300U, 5 4500U, 7 4700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2 m.2 nvme, 1 2242 and 1 2280 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Radeon up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 15.6in 1080p 220 nits - TPM 2.0 - usb-c charging of internal 45Whr battery - 4gb ddr4 3200Mhz soldered and 1 ddr4 sodimm slot max 20Gb - keyboard swap problematic - plastic bendy case - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkPad T14 Gen 1, ThinkPad P14s Gen 1 (AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300u, 5 4500U, Ryzen 5 Pro 4650U, Ryzen 7 Pro 4750U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Vega }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 0x10EC, 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111EPV (DASH models) or RTL8111HN}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - USB-C charging avoid moving whilst in use - 14" or 15" 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - 8gb or 16gb 3200MHz soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - sd card slot - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad L14 Gen 1, L15 Gen 1, || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300u, 5 4500U, Ryzen 5 Pro 4650U, Ryzen 7 Pro 4750U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Vega }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 0x10EC, 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle RTL8111EPV (DASH models) or RTL8111HN}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - USB-C charger avoid moving whilst in use - 14" or 15" 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - 8gb or 16gb 3200MHz soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - sd card slot - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkPad X13 Gen1 AMD, || <!--Chipset-->AMD RYZEN 3 4450U, 5 4650U or 7 4750U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->One drive, up to 512GB M.2 2242 SSD or 1TB M.2 2280 SSD NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA Radeon up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| but USB-C ports can fail}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Realtek RTL8111EPV, mini RJ-45 to RJ-45 via optional ThinkPad Ethernet Extension Adapter Gen 2}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek Wi-Fi 6 RTL8852AE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 13.3" HD 1366x768 to 1080p - USB-C port care needed as damages easily - Memory soldered to systemboard, no slots, dual-channel DDR4-3200 - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkBook 14 G2, 15 G2 Are || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 4500u, 7 4700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->14in has 2 m.2 nvme but 15in has 1 nvme and might have 2.5in sata metal caddy if smaller battery version || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC???? codec 0x10EC, 0x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14in or 15in 1080p - usb-c charging but high failure rate on the charging port - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot 3200mhz - hinge(s) issues - |- |<!--Name-->IdeaPad 5 14ARE05 (81YM), Ideapad 5 15ARE05 (), IdeaPad 3 17ARE05 (model 81W5) - elan touchpad MSFT0004:00 06CB:CD98 not working || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' 4500u - '''untested''' AMD 3 4300U (4c4t), 4600U (6c12t), 7 4700u (8c16t) on AMD Promontory Bixby FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1x M.2 2242 slot and 1x M.2 2280 NVMe which will take sata m.2 will boot to grub then laptop reset after choice}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 6 via hdmi output up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 6.36 0x1637 0x15e3 with Realtek ALC3287 aka ALC257 codec 0x10ec 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 or 3.2 gen 1}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel ax200 wifi 6}} || <!--Test Distro-->4500u with AROS One 64bit 1.2 usb installed to m.2 sata on another machine || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit 14inch 768p or 1080p - round lenovo ac - 4gb, 8gb, or 16gb ddr4 3200Mhz ram soldered with 1 slot - keyboard swap problematic - integrated battery - |- |<!--Name-->Ideapad Flex 5 81X2, Lenovo Yoga 6 13ALC6 || <!--Chipset-->AMD R5 4500u, R7 4800U, R3 5300 R5 5500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->M.2 NVMe ssd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Vega up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC? codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3.1 gen 1}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|realtek ac wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit abs plastic case 14in convertible 1080p touch low nits - 65w usb-c psu ac - possible wacom esr note taking pen supplied - ram soldered DDR4 - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 2, P14s Gen 2 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 5850U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with ALC3287-CG codec 0x10EC, 0x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 - usb-c power 90% failure rate on the charging port - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkBook 14 G3, 15 G3 ACL, || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 5500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->m.2 nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 14in or 15in 1080p - usb-c charging powered - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 G3, E15 Gen 3 (AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 5300U 5500U 5650U 5700U 5800U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->up to 2 m.2 nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|realtek or intel }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - - usb-c charging issues - keyboard swap problematic - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 3200Mhz sodimm slot - plastic bendy case - |- |<!--Name-->V14 Gen 2 (82KA, 82KC) *ALO *ALC 82KD || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 5300U, 5 5500U, 7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme 2280 and optional 2.5in sata after sourcing ribbon cable and connector, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 15.6" FHD 1080p - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 65w round ac adaptor - |- |<!--Name-->V15 G2 Gen2 (82KB, 82KD) *ALO *ALC 82KD || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 5300U, 5 5500U, 7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme 2280 and optional 2.5in sata after sourcing ribbon cable and connector, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 15.6" FHD 1080p - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 65w round ac adaptor - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L15 Gen 2 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 5000 series AMD Ryzen 3 5400U (4c8t), 5 5600U, 5 5650U (6c12t), 7 PRO 5850U (8c16t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle RTL8111EPV (DASH models) or RTL8111HN}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 15.6in 768p or 1080p - usb-c charging - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr4 3200Mhz sodimm slot - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 Gen 4, E15 Gen 4 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 3 5425u, 5 5625U, 7 5825u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 (14") or 2 (15") nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - usb-c charging - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 3200Mhz sodimm slot - L19M3PDA 45Whr battery - U24 TPS65994 and QB6 QB5 mosfet issues - plastic bendy case - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 3 Machine types MT 21AH 21AJ 21CF and 21CG, P14s Gen 3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6850U || <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d || <!--Audio-->{{unk| ALC3287-VA2-CG codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 14in |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14s Gen 3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6500U || <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d || <!--Audio-->{{unk| ALC3287-VA2-CG codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Ethernet support via optional Lenovo® USB-C® to Ethernet Adapter}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 14in |- |<!--Name-->V14 G3, V15 G3 Gen3 ALC || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 6500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme and optional 2.5in sata if smaller 38Wh battery and after sourcing ribbon cable and connector, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15"FHD - battery BYD L20B2PFO - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L15 Gen 3 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6000 series || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit- 15.6in 1080p - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Yoga 7 14ARB7 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5, 6600U, 7 6800U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD 660M or 680M || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with ALC3306 aka alc287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 14in 1800p ips 300 nits - usb-c ac charging 71whr integrated battery - sd card slot - digital pen input - 8gb, 6gb or 32gb soldered ddr5 ram - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 4, P14s Gen 4 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen Pro 5 7540U, Ryzen Pro 7 7840U (AI NPU) || <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD 740M 780M|| <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 14in 1920x1200 - 8gb, 16gb or 32gb lpddr5 soldered - usb-c charging - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 g5, E15 Gen 5 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 7000 series Ryzen 5-7530U, 7-7730U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit- 15.6in 1080p - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkbook 14 G6 ABP IRL, ThinkBook 16 G6ABP (21KK001CUK) || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 7530U 7730U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->m.2 nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 untested}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 14in 1200p or 1440p - 100W USB-C AC power adapter - |- |<!--Name-->IdeaPad Slim 5 Light 14ABR8 Laptop || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 7330U (4c8t) 5 7530U (6c12t) 7 7730U (8c16t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2 m.2 nvme slot - 1 2242, 1 2280 || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 14in 1080p - 8Gb or 16Gb soldered ram - usb-c charging only - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad X13 Gen 4 (13" AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 7480U 7040U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 - avoid usb-c port damage - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L14 (Gen4), L15 Gen 4 (15" AMD) || <!--Chipset-->MD Ryzen 5 PRO 7530U, 7480U 7040U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - elan trackpad - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Gen 4 V14 (82YT, 82YV, 83A0, 83A1, 83CC, 83FR, 82YX, 83FG), V15 (82YU, 82YW, 83FS, 82YY, 83CR), V17 (83A2), || <!--Chipset-->AMD AMD Athlon™ Gold 7220U (2c4t), AMD Athlon™ Silver 7120U (2c2t), AMD Ryzen™ 3 7320U (4c8t), AMD Ryzen™ 5 7520U (4c8t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme and 2.5in sata if smaller 38Wh battery, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for AMD 610M HDMI® and USB-C}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Gigabit Ethernet, 1x RJ-45}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|wifi 6}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15.6" FHD 1080p - 8 or 16Gb soldered - 65W round tip (3-pin) AC adapter or USB-C - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad e14 G6, e15 Gen 6 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 7000 series AMD Ryzen™ 7 7735HS || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit- 15.6in 1080p - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L16 (16" AMD), || <!--Chipset-->AMD 8000 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB4}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 5, P14s Gen 5 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 8840U, AMD Ryzen™ 5 PRO 8540U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVME || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - 14inch 1920 x 1200 - |- |<!--Name--> Lenovo WinBook 300e SKU: 82GKS00000 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 3015E || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit 4GB 64GB SSD 11.6 Inch Touchscreen Windows 10 Pro Laptop |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Yoga Slim 7a || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen AI 7350 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD 860M || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with ALC3306 aka alc287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - 14in 1800p ips 300 nits - usb-c ac charging 71whr integrated battery - sd card slot - digital pen input - 8gb, 6gb or 32gb soldered ddr5 ram - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Samsung==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="2%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->NP-Q1 Q1 || <!--Chipset-->Celeron-M 353 ULV 600Mhz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes|1.8" SFF HDD 20 / 60 GB }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 915 2D and 3D opengl1 tunnel 95 gearbox 68}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec - head phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Yes|Atheros 5006EX}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit old style tablet UltraMobile PC UMPC - Wacom serial resistive pen or finger no support - 1 sodimm ddr2 max 1Gb - LCD 7" WVGA (800 x 480) - CompactFlash port Type II - |- | <!--Name-->NP Q1U Ultra Mobile PC UMPC Q1F NP-Q1-F000 || <!--Chipset-->Intel A100 600 / A110 Stealey 800 MHz CPU || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|GMA 950 2D and 3D opengl1}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio 1986}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros 5006EX}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit 1024×600 - sd card slot - |- | <!--Name-->NP P500 family P500Y || <!--Chipset-->AMD with SB600 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Ati x1250}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| Audio with codec }} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8039 yukon}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|Atheros G}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->64bit possible - 15.4 tft display - cheap plastic okay build - 19v propriety end - |- | <!--Name-->R505 R510 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros G || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->R520 R522 R610H R620 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Mobile Core i3 Intel PM45 82801M ICH9-M|| <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4650 (RV730) || <!--Audio-->Intel HD Audio with Realtek ALC272 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Marvell Yukon 88E8057 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR5007EG || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2010 64 bit possible |- | NP-R530 || || {{N/A}} || {{partial|IDE mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{partial|HD Audio playback}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{no|Marvell}} || {{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || Icaros 1.5.2 || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Samsung R730 17.3 Essential Notebook NP-R730-JA02UK, NP-R730-JA01SE, R730-JT06 || <!--Chipset-->Intel HM55 Dual Core T4300 i3-370M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for Intel 4500MHD and GeForce G 310M with 1 VGA, 1 HDMI}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio ALC??? codec Realtek}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell Yukon 88E8059 PCI-E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Broadcom, Intel or Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods ISO 2023-11 || <!--Comments-->2010 64bit - 17.3in HD 1280 x 720 pixels low contrast or some 1600x900 - 2 DDR3 sodimm slots - 2.84 kg 6.26 lbs - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Samsung-305U1A-A01DE-Subnotebook.68246.0.html Series 3 Samsung 305u1a] || <!--Chipset-->AMD Zacate E350 or E450 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon 6320 || <!--Audio-->ALC ACL 269 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111 8169 || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom 4313 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit |- | <!--Name-->NP-RV415 NP-RV515 || <!--Chipset-->E350 or E450 plus A50M chipset || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon HD 6470 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|RTL8169 Realtek RTL8111 8168B}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit slow - |- | <!--Name-->Series 5 NP535U3C || <!--Chipset-->A6-4455M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in || <!--Gfx-->radeon || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit slow - 13.3in 1368 x 768 - plastic build - 65w 19v psu - |- | <!--Name-->series 3 NP355V5C || <!--Chipset-->A6-4400M, A8-4500M, A10-4600M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in || <!--Gfx-->7640M || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit - 15.4in 1368 x 768 - plastic build - 65w 19v psu - |- | <!--Name-->Samsung ATIV Book 9 Lite NP905S3G || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-1450 quad 1GHz Temash atom like || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->128gb || <!--Gfx-->AMD 8250 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek rtl8169 but only with mini LAN AA-AE2N12B Ethernet Adapter RJ45 dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9565}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 13.3 TN glossy 1366 x 768 200nits 60% srgb - plastic case - 26W battery built in with 4hr life - 19V 2.1A 3.0*1.0mm psu - 1 ddr3l slot max 4gb - 720p webcam - mini hdmi out - 1w speakers - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Toshiba==== [[#top|...to the top]] Order of Build Quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Equium Satellite (Pro) Libretto Portege Tecra </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Tecra 8100 8200 9000 || 440BX || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|S3 Savage MX 3D (VESA only)}} || {{no|Yamaha DS-XG ymf744 ymf-754}} || {{yes|USB1.1 only}} || {{N/A}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.5 || little support |- | <!--Name-->Tecra 9100 || <!--Chipset-->810 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|S3 Savage IX}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|ymf754}} || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->eeee pro100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->PSU Adapter For Toshiba Tecra 9000 9100 A1 A10 A11 A3 A3X A4 A5 A7 M1 M2 M3 M4 M5 M7 M9 R10 S1 series 75 Watt 15V 5A |- | [http://tuxmobil.org/toshiba_sp4600.html Satellite Pro 4600] || i810 || IDE || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Trident Cyber Blade XP (VESA only)}} || {{no|YAMAHA DS-XG AC97 ymf754}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel e100}} || {{no|Agere (internal PCMCIA)}} || || little support |- | Satellite 2805 S603 || Intel 815 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|nVidia GeForce2 Go}} || {{no|Yamaha Corp YMF 754}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO/100}} || {{dunno}} || || little support |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A10 S167 S1291 - A15 A20 A25 || <!--Chipset-->P4M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GM or Radeon || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139 || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel 2100, Agere or Atheros PA3399U 1MPC minipci}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->a few models came with antenna leads |- | Satellite [http://eu.computers.toshiba-europe.com/innovation/jsp/SUPPORTSECTION/discontinuedProductPage.do?service=EU&com.broadvision.session.new=Yes&PRODUCT_ID=76230 A30-714] || P4-M / 82845 i845 || {{yes|82801}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes}} || {{yes|RTL8139}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || nice laptop, drawbacks: heavy, really hot (P4-3.06 GHz!!) - A30 (EU) A33 (Australian) A35 (USA) - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A40 A45 || <!--Chipset-->P4M or Celeron M with Intel 845 865 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GME or Radeon 7000 Mobility || <!--Audio-->AC97 Realtek || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5002G 5004G - PA3299U mini pci || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - A40 S161 A40-S1611 A40-2701, A45-S120 A45-S1201 S130 S1301 S1501 - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite a50 A55 a60-s156 Equium A60 PSA67E A65 || <!--Chipset-->P4M or Celeron M with Intel 845 865 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GME or Radeon 7000 Mobility || <!--Audio-->AC97 Realtek || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5002G 5004G - PA3299U mini-pci || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A70 A75-S206 A80 A85-S107 || <!--Chipset-->P4M or Celeron-M with Intel 845 865 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GME or Radeon 7000 Mobility || <!--Audio-->AC97 Realtek || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5002G 5004G - PA3299U mini-pci || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5.1 || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - |- | Toshiba Satellite Pro M30 || intel 855 || {{yes|boots with ATA=nodma option}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{yes|Intel PRO/100 VE}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.5 || nice laptop with some support |- | <!--Name-->Portege M300 - M200 tablet || <!--Chipset-->855GM with 1.2GHz Pentium M 753 || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d only - tablet with nvidia 5200 go}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 STAC 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->little support |- | <!--Name-->Tecra M2 M2-S || <!--Chipset-->Intel 855P Pentium-M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->nvidia fx go5200 32mb or 64mb agp || <!--Audio-->AC97 1981B || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Intel Pro || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - PSU 15V 5A - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro L20 267 (PSL2YE PSL2XE) PSL25E L30 || <!--Chipset-->Celeron M 370 1.4 1.5GHz, 1.73Ghz with RC410M SB400 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - Ati x200}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|[https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-490297-start-0.html ALC861]}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Boots usb sticks}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8139 Realtek 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros mini-pci should work maybe not working with ATi chipset or need to swap??}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit 14" pioneer dvd-rw - 19v |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L30 PSL30E L33 PSL33E || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 800 or ATi RC410 x200 || <!--Audio-->AC97 AD1981B or HD Audio ALC861 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros or Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->L30 PSL30L 101 PSL33E 113 115 134 00M019 - |- | Satellite Pro M40 313 psm44e || AMD with Ati || {{yes|boots with ATA=nodma}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{yes|}} || {{maybe|atheros askey ar5bmb5 mini pci}} || || 2005 32bit - nice laptop with some support |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L40 PSL40E PSL40L, PSL43E || <!--Chipset-->945GM with U7700 1.3GHz ULV || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 945 || <!--Audio-->{{No|Intel HD with AD1986A codec}} || <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR24xx Askey || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0.3 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit only - - 12X 13G 139 14B 143 15J 19O - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L45 PSL40U S7409 S2416 || <!--Chipset-->945GM with Celeron M 440 1.86 GHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 945 || <!--Audio-->{{No|Intel HD with AD1986A codec}} || <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR24xx Askey || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0.3 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit only - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro A100 || <!--Chipset-->940G || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia G72M Quadro NVS 110M GeForce Go 7300 / Ati (PSAA3E)|| <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC861 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 100 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 swap with atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A110 159 (PSAB0), Equium A110 (PSAB2E), Satellite A110 233 (PSAB6), || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->ALC861 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8136 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro A120 PSAC0 PSAC1 PSAC1E || <!--Chipset-->Core Solo GMA 950 to T2300 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 945 || <!--Audio-->ALC262 or AC97 AD1981B || <!--USB-->UHCI EHCI || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros Ar5001 or Intel or Broadcom || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->15V 4A charger - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro A120 || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo ATi RS480 + SB450 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA - ATI RC410 Radeon Xpress 200M || <!--Audio-->ALC262 || <!--USB-->OCHI UHCI || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 or Atheros Ar5001 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->15v 5a proprietary charger needed |- | <!--Name-->Satelite A130 PSAD6U || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8101E || <!--Wireless-->Atheros or Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->ST1311 s1311 ST1312 S2276 S2386 - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A135 S2686 (Compal LA 3391P) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8101E || <!--Wireless-->Atheros or Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->S2246 S2346 S2256 S4477 S4666 S4827 - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A200 PSAE1E (Inventec MW10M) || <!--Chipset-->Pentium M with 945GM Express Celeron M 520 1.6Ghz or Pentium® Core Duo T2130 1.86 GHz || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}}|| <!--SATA--> {{Maybe|SATA}}|| <!--Gfx--> {{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D and 3D)}}|| <!--Audio--> {{Yes|HD Audio ALC862}}|| <!--USB--> {{Yes| }}|| <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|RTL8101E rtl8139}}|| <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros 5000 - FN,F5 or FN,F8 or switch}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 AspireOS 1.8 || <!--Comments-->2006 Excellent 32 bit support! - make sure that your WLAN card is enabled, do this using the hardware switch and FN+F8 key combination |- | <!--Name--> A210, Satellite A215 AMD (Inventec 10A) S5808 || <!--Chipset--> Ati with SB690 || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}}|| <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|SATA}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA HD2600 Mobility M76}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC268 || <!--USB--> {{Yes| }}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8101E}}|| <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros 5000}}|| <!--Test Distro-->2018 AspireOS 1.8 || <!--Comments-->A215-S7422 A215-S7472 A215-S4697 (USA) - |- | <!--Name--> [http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=62036 A215 S4757] || <!--Chipset--> Ati X1200 with SB600 || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}}|| <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|SATA}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> {{Yes| }}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8101E}}|| <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros 5000}}|| <!--Test Distro-->2017 AspireOS 1.8 || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Qosmio G30 (PQG31C-HD202E) || <!--Chipset-->945 with Duo T2500 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Nouveau Nvidia Go 7600 2d and 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - 17" UXGA 1920x1200, |- | <!--Name-->Tecra A10 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{Maybe|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|Intel GMA 4500M (2D)}} || <!--Audio--> {{Yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> {{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO 1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel WiFi Link 5100}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->64 bit possible |- | <!--Name-->L35 - L40 PSL48E - L45 S7423 || <!--Chipset-->GL960 with Intel Celeron || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|X3100 some 2D but software 3d tunnel 9 gearbox 4}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC660 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|REALTEK 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 8187b replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->1,73Ghz M 520 or M 540 or Dual T2310 (1.46 GHz) T2330 (1.6 GHz) - 14H 14N 15B 17H 17K 17R 17S 18Z - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite a300 - inventec potomac 10s pt10s A300D 21H || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio - Realtek || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8102E || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5005 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->satellite L300D-224 PSLC8E PSLC9E, l305 (inventec ps10s) || <!--Chipset-->AMD M780 with Turion RM70 or QL-64 || <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} || <!--SATA--> {{yes|SATA}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|use VESA for Radeon 3100}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio with Realtek ALC268}} || <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet--> {{no|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Atheros G XB63L or Intel or Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros Desktop Live 2.3 AROS One 2.3 || <!--Comments--> Wireless-handler crashing when using Atheros-Wireless-Card |- | <!--Name-->Satellite P300 (PSPC0C-01D01C) || <!--Chipset-->945GM with Intel Core 2 Duo T5750 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Audio-->{{No| codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| swap with Atheros 5k }} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 64bit || <!--Comments-->2007 |- | <!--Name-->satellite l300-1bw PSLBDE-005005AR, L300-148 PSLB0E, l300-20D PSLB8E-06Q007EN, l300-294 L300-23L PSLB9E || <!--Chipset-->Intel GM45 + PGA478 socket Celeron 900, Pentium T1600, T2390, T3400 (Socket P) to Core2 Duo T6400 T6670 || <!--IDE--> {{unk|IDE}} || <!--SATA--> {{unk|SATA}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|use VESA for Intel gma 4500M}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio with Realtek ALC???}} || <!--USB--> {{unk|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet--> {{unk|rtl8169 Realtek 810xE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel or Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64-bit - new unfamiliar Bios called insyde H20 - |- | <!--Name-->satellite l350d || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon (tm) X2 QL-60 + RS780M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 3100 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->Realtek 8187b || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L450 12 13 14 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Sempron, 2.1GHz with AMD RS780M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 3200 (based on HD 2400) || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E || <!--Wireless-->Realtek 8172 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 12X 13P 13X 14V PSLY6E00C006EN |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro L450 (Compal LA-5821P) 179 || <!--Chipset-->intel celeron 900 2.20 Ghz no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->intel 4500m || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL8101 /2 /6E PCI Express Gigabit || <!--Wireless-->RTL8191 SEvB || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 39.6cm (15.6”) Toshiba TruBrite® HD TFT 16:9 768p |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Toshiba Satellite P775, P775-S7320 and P775-10K || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5 (2nd Gen) 2430M i7-2630QM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2D for Intel}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 17.3" - 1600 x 900 (HD+) - 2 DDR3 sodimm max 16Gb - |- | <!--Name-->L755D (E-350) L750D (E-450) || <!--Chipset-->AMD E350 E450 no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 6310 6320 || <!--Audio-->HDAudio conexant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Realtek || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro SP C640 C660D-15X (PSC1YE) C670D- () || <!--Chipset-->AMD E350 no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->6310G || <!--Audio-->HD Realtek ALC259 || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 zacate |- |<!--Name-->Toshiba Satellite C660D-19X || <!--Chipset-->AMD E-300 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|ATi}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio with Realtek codec}} || <!--USB-->{{no| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|r8169 rtl8101e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8188 8192ce rtl8192ce}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->C70D-A C75D-A || <!--Chipset-->E1-1200 no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|AMD HD8330}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HA Audio CX20751 11Z}} || <!--USB-->{{no| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8162 alx}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek 8188e}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- |} ====Misc==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Time 500 Packard Bell EasyOne 1450 1550 || <!--Chipset-->K6-3 500Mhz + VIA MVP4 vt82c686a || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|Issues}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA || <!--Audio-->{{No|VIA AC97 3058 with wolfson codec WM9703 WM9704 WM9707 WM9708 or WM9717}} || <!--USB-->via 3038 2 ports USB 1.1 untested || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro-->NB May 2013 || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit grub runs but stalls around [PCI] Everything OK |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio PCG FX201/FX202 FX210/FX215 FX401/FX402 FX404/FX405 972M, FX501/FX502 FX504/FX505 || <!--Chipset-->VIA KT133A KM133 Duron 800Mhz Athlon 1.3Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{partial|boot issue with 2013 kernel VIA [rev 06]}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI Rage Mobility Pro (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|VIA AC97 686b [rev 50] AD1881A Ear phone and Mic}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|issues}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Comments-->Nightly 1st March 2013 || <!--Comments-->booting usb pendrive from Plop Boot Loader floppy (no bios USB boot). Can freeze coz hardware issue or a ram slot problem - no support for iLink firewire VT8363/8365 pci - vt82c686b |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio PCG FX601/FX602, FX604/FX605 FXA53(US), FX701/FX702, FX704/FX705, FX801/FX802 FX804/FX805 || <!--Chipset-->VIA KT133A KM133 Duron 800Mhz Athlon 1.3Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{partial|boot issue with 2013 kernel VIA [rev 06]}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI Rage Mobility Pro (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|VIA AC97 686b [rev 50] AD1881A Ear phone and Mic}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|issues}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Comments-->Nightly 1st March 2013 || <!--Comments-->booting usb pendrive somes works |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio PCG FX100 R505LE || <!--Chipset-->Intel i815 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA Intel 82815 CGC || <!--Audio-->Intel ICH AC97 with ADI AD1881A codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel e100 || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->PCG-FX105 FX105K PCG-FX108 FX108K PCG-FX109 FX109K FX200 FX203/FX203K FX205 FX205K FX209 FX209K FX220 [http://juljas.net/linux/vaiofx240/ FX240] FX250 FX270 FX290 FX301 FX302 FX340 FX370 FX390 FX403 FX503 FX950 |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | Sony VAIO VGN X505VP || Pentium M ULV and Intel 855GM || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Intel 855 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VE}} || {{N/A}} || || 2004 32bit - 0.38 inches at its thinnest point - first laptop to feature a "chiclet" keyboard resemble Chiclets gum - |- | <!--Name-->Sony Z505LE Z505JE || <!--Chipset-->P3 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->n/a || <!--Gfx-->Rage Mobility M1 AGP mach64 || <!--Audio-->no Yamaha DS-XG PCI YMF744 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 8255x based PCI e100 || <!--Wireless-->n/a || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughbook CF-18 || <!--Chipset-->Core || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|gma for i915}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 SigmaTel}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|usb2 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL 8139C}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel swap for atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' D02 test || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughbook CF-29 CF-30 || <!--Chipset-->Core || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA || <!--Audio-->AC97 SigmaTel || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139C || <!--Wireless-->Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->MSI Microstar PR210 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA ATi RS690M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio through speaker / head phones but not hdmi}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8111 8169}} || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR242x AR542x aw-ge780 mini pci-e || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - ENE PCI based SD card with no bios boot option |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Advent 7106 EAA-88 || <!--Chipset-->Pentium M 1.7GHz with 915GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D and 3D tunnel 187 gearbox 67}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 Intel ICH6 with Conexant Cx20468 31 codec playback head phones only}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200BG Fn/F2 replaced with atheros mini pci in small base panel - startup errors in wireless manager}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 14" cheap rubbish sadly - fan noise through audio channel - |- | <!--Name-->Motion Computing LE1600 PC Slate || <!--Chipset-->915 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->915 || <!--Audio-->Intel AC97 SigmaTel STAC9758 9759 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8169 || <!--Wireless-->Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 serial Wacom digitiser not usb |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughbook CF-51 CF-P1 CF-T5 CF-Y2 || <!--Chipset-->945GMS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom || <!--Wireless-->Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio VGN-AR11S || <!--Chipset-->ntel Core Duo T2500 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes| Nvidia Go 7600}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 32bit || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - 17" 1920x1200 - blu-ray - |- | Sony Vaio VGN SR29VN || Intel ICH9 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE legacy}} || {{partial|ATI HD 3400 (VESA only)}} || {{partial|HD Audio (too quiet)}} || {{yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} || {{no|Marvell 8040}} || {{no|Intel 5100}} || Icaros 1.5 || 2007 32bit - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Wyse XM Class DELL WYSE Xn0m LAPTOP || <!--Chipset-->AMD T-G56N 1.6 1.65Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA-->decased 2.5in ssd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d only AMD 6320}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|EHCI 2.0 with NEC uPD720200 USB 3.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek rtl8169 8111E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 93xx}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 1366 x 768 14" - 2 ddr3l slots max 16gb - 19v coax barrel plug psu - |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughpad FZ-G1 MK2 || <!--Chipset-->Core i5-3437U, 1.9GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->ToughPad FZ-G1 Mk3 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5-4310U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel HD 4400 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio Codec ALC255 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->[https://wiki.recessim.com/view/Panasonic_Toughpad_FZ-G1_MK4 Panasonic Toughpad FZ-G1 MK4] || <!--Chipset-->intel 6300U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel 520 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC256 codec - o/c or s/c fails early || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 but options on the right hand side of screen case}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|intel ac 8260}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 10.1in 1600x1200 - 4gb ddr3l soldered - waterproof pen left hand side base - optional slot-in 4g lte and sdhc - 16v 4.06A 64.96W panasonic barrel - |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughpad FZ-G1 MK5 || <!--Chipset-->intel i5-7300U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel 620 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio ALC295 codec - o/c or s/c fails early || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 but optional usb2 plugin r.h.s. of screen casing}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 8gb ddr3l soldered - 10.1" WUXGA 1920 x 1200 with LED backlighting screen 2-800 nit - 10-point capacitive multi touch + Waterproof Digitizer pen l.h.s - |- | <!--Name-->ToughPad FZ-M1 || <!--Chipset-->Intel® Core TM m5-6Y57 vPro TM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel HD 4200 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC codec || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 7in 800p - 8gb ddr3l soldered - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ===Netbook=== [[#top|...to the top]] * PC to write Aros image onto an USB pendrive with Raspberry PI writer, USB writer or Rufus for boot purposes on a netbook * SD card sometimes can boot like Dell 2100, EeePC 1001P, ASUS EeePC 900, acer aspire one d150, MSI Wind U100, ====Acer Packard Bell Netbooks==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width=100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Aspire One AOA110 (A110) (ZG5) || Intel 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA (2D and 3D) tunnel 99 and gearbox 84 score}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC6628}} || {{Yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} || {{Yes|rtl8169 RTL8101E}} || {{Yes|AR5006}} atheros 5k || 2016 AspireOS 1.8, 2025 Aros One 2.6 32bit USB || 2007 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel A13-045N2A 19V2.37A 45W 5.5x1.7mm - |- | Aspire One AOA150 (A150) (ZG5) || Intel 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and accelerated 3D with tunnel 99 and gearbox 84.1 result}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC6628}} || {{Yes|uhci and ehci}} || {{Yes|rtl8169 RTL8101E}} || {{Yes|AR5006}} atheros 5k || 2016 AspireOS 1.8, 2025 aros one 2.6 32bit USB || 2007 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel - |- | Aspire One AOD150 D150 (Compal LA-4781P), AOD110 D110 (ssd) || Intel 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide legacy}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{Yes|HDAudio with alc272}} || {{Yes|USB}} || {{No|Atheros AR8121 AR8113 AR8114 l1e}} || {{Maybe|AR5007EG AR5BXB63 works but Broadcom BCM4312 has no support}} || 2010 Icaros Desktop 1.3, 2024 Aros one 32bit USB || 2008 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel - |- | Aspire One (ZG8) || Intel 945G and N270 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and accelerated 3D}} || {{maybe|HD Audio }} || {{Yes|uhci and ehci}} || {{No|Broadcom }} || {{no|Intel}} || 2014 AspireOS 1.8 || 2009 32bit - |- | Aspire One AOD250 D250 emachines em250 || 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide legacy}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{Yes|alc272 HD Audio}} || {{Yes}} || {{No|AR8132 (L1c)}} || {{No|BCM4312 or Atheros AR5B95}} || 2010 Icaros 1.3 || 2009 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire AO532H (Compal LA-5651p) 533H Pineview || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio playback}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|AR8132 (L1c)}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 9k}} || [http://www.amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=5968 Tested AspireOS June 2011] || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->emachines eM350 NAV51 || <!--Chipset--> with N450 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 3150 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2 || <!--Comments-->Single core 64bit - 160GB HDD 1GB RAM 10.1" LED backlit screen and Webcam - 3 cell li-ion battery for 3 hours usage - |- | <!--Name-->emachines eM355 || <!--Chipset--> with N455 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->64bit support possible - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One 533 || <!--Chipset-->N455 with NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D 0x8086 0xa011}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| ALC272 codec ich7}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8152 v1.1 1c}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom 4313}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 and AROS One 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - f2 setup - 10.1inch 1024 x 768 - |- | Aspire One AOD255 AOD255e AOD260 AOHAPPY (Compal LA-6221P) || N570 and Nm10 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|SATA}} || {{Maybe|Intel GMA 3150}} || Audio || USB || {{No|Atheros AR8152 V1.1 (1lc)}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313}} || || a little support |- | Aspire One 522 AO522 (Compal LA-7072p) || 1GHz dual C-50 C50 or C-60 C60 + Hudson M1 || {{N/A}} || SATA || AMD 6250 (ATI 9804) or 6290 || ATI SB CX20584 HD Audio || USB || Atheros 8152 v2.0 l1c || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313 or Atheros ath9k}} || || |- | <!--Name-->AAOD270 Aspire One D270 || <!--Chipset-->N2600 Cedarview || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D on Intel GMA 3650}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8169 RTL8101E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4313 but swap for Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit atom - ddr2 so-dimm 2gb max - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One AO532G (Compal LA-6091p) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One D257 (Quanta ZE6) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire One 722 AO722 P1VE6 || <!--Chipset-->AMD C-60 C60 with SB900 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| use VESA Ati 6290}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec but no Wrestler HDMI output}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros AR8152 v2.0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One AO721 (Wistron SJV10-NL) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->AO751 AO751H (Quanta ZA3) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot .S || <!--Chipset-->N280 + || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|legacy}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA950 (2D)}}|| <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC272X || <!--USB--> USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Atheros l1e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Atheros 9k}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot .SE || <!--Chipset-->N450 + || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA950 (2D) || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC|| <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot .S2 NAV50 || <!--Chipset-->N455 NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel X3150 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC269 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Atheros || <!--Wireless-->Atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot M/A || <!--Chipset-->1.2GHz Athlon L110 + RS690E || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy mode? || <!--Gfx-->AMD ATI Radeon Xpress X1270 (VESA only) || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ATI SBx00 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E rtl8169 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Asus Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | [http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Models eeePC] 700 701 2G 4G 8G Surf || Intel 910GML + ICH7 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 900 2D and 3D tunnel 68 gearbox 43 on 701 800x480}} || {{Yes|ALC662 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|UHCI and EHCI}} || {{No|Atheros L2}} || {{Yes|Atheros 5k AR5007EG (AR2425 works}} || 2016 Icaros 2.1.1, 2.1.2, Aros One 2.5 32bit USB, || 2007 32bit - power supplies fail due to bad caps issue 9.5V 2.5A 24W Charger AD59930 4.8*1.7MM - |- | [http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Models eeePC] 701SD || Intel 910GML + ICH7 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Maybe|Intel GMA 900 (2D)}} || {{Yes|ALC662 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|UHCI and EHCI}} || {{No|Atheros L2}} || {{No|RTL8187SE swap with Atheros 5k}} || 2014 AspireOS 1.7, || 2007 32bit - boot issues but does boot with ATA=32bit,nopoll or ATA=nodma,nopoll |- | [http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Models eeePC] 900 || Intel 910GML + ICH7 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Maybe|Intel GMA 900 (2D, 3D in some models)}} || {{Yes|ALC662 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|UHCI and EHCI}} || {{No|Atheros L2}} || {{Maybe|depends on chipset AR5007EG (AR2425) works but not RaLink}} || 2014 AspireOS 1.7, || 2008 32bit - boot issues but does boot with ATA=32bit,nopoll or ATA=nodma,nopoll. 900's may need BIOS upgrade to boot usb optical drives. 3D available in some model revisions - AD59230 9.5v 2.31a psu - |- | eeePC 900A || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (3D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC269}} || {{Yes|USB2.0}} || {{No|Atheros L1e [1969 1026]}} || {{Yes|Atheros 5k AR242x}} || Nightly Build 2012, 2023 Aros One 32bit 2.4 || 2009 32bit |- | eeePC 901 1000 || 945GM || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{Yes|ALC269 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|USB}} || {{No|Atheros L1E (AR8121 AR8113 AR8114)}} || {{No|RaLink Device 2860 swap with Atheros 5k}} || 2011 Icaros 1.4, || 2009 32bit - 12v 3a psu - |- | eeePC Seashell 1000HA 1000HE 1008 1005HA || N280 + Intel GMA950 || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{Yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC269}} || {{Yes|USB}} || {{Maybe|Realtek but not Atheros AR8132 (L1c)}} || {{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || 2014 Aspire OS 1.6, || 2010 32bit - 12v 3a psu - |- | <!--Name-->eeePC 1001ha || <!--Chipset-->GMA945 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 950 (2D) || <!--Audio-->ALC269 HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Attansic Atheros AR8132 l1c}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RaLink RT3090 swap with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2010 32bit |- | eeePC 1001P T101MT 1005PX 1005PE 1015PE Pineview 1001PXD || NM10 and N450 N455 CPU || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio}} || {{Yes|USB 2.0}} || {{No|Atheros AR8132 (l1c)}} || {{unk|Atheros AR928x 802.11n}} || 2010 Icaros 1.3.3, || 2011 64bit - 19V 2.1A 2.3x0.7 - |- | EeePC 1015B 1215B || single C-30 C30 or dual C-50 C50 + Hudson M1 || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{partial|AMD 6250 (VESA only)}} || ATI SBx00 HD Audio || USB || {{No|AR8152 v2.0 atl1c}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313 [14e4 4727]}} || untested recently || 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Flare X101CH Cedarview || <!--Chipset-->N2600 + N10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 6300 || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros l1c 2.0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Flare 1025CE 1225CE || <!--Chipset-->N2800 + N10 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{dunno|Intel GMA 3600}} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros l1c 2.0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Dell Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Inspiron 910 Mini 9 PP39S Vostro A90 || GMA945 || {{Maybe|STEC 8G 16G 32G IDE PATA Parallel ATA miniPCIE SSD 50MM / 70MM very slow}} || {{N/A| }} || {{yes|Intel GMA 2D and 3D opengl1}} || {{yes|ALC268 HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB2 boots and works}} || {{yes|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8102E}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4310 and 4312 swap with atheros 5k bx32}} || ICAROS 1.3 but Icaros 2.3 (pci issues), AROS One 2.6 and Tiny AROS (digiclock startup) mouse cursor vanishes || 2008 32bit - 9inch 1024x600 screen - 1 ddr2 sodimm slot max 2gig - 19v 1.58a - 0 boot disk select - cr2032 battery under laptop base cover, while mem 2GB max under base flap - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron Mini 10 1010 PP19S || <!--Chipset-->Atom Z520 Z530 Intel US15W Poulsbo || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel GMA 500 (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio ALC269 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel or BCM4312}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - 10.10 inch 16:9, 1366 x 768 glossy - 28whr or 56wHr battery options - |- | [https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport/Machines/Netbooks#Dell%20Mini%2010v%20(Inspiron%201011) Mini 10v 1011] [http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Dell/InspironMini10v ] || Intel 950 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|ide legacy mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{maybe|HDAudio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|RTL8102E 8103E}} || {{no|Dell 1397 Wireless}} || untested || 2008 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron Mini 1018 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Atom N455 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{partial|IDE mode }} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D, no VGA output)}} || <!--Audio-->{{partial|HD Audio head phones only - speaker and micro phone do not work}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|RTL8188CE or AR928X}} || <!--Test Distro-->2011 Icaros 1.5.1, || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 1 DDR3 max 2gb - |- | Latitude 2100 || Intel Atom N270 N280 1.60Ghz GMA 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{Yes|set to IDE in bios as ahci not working || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D and 3D with tunnel 98 and gearbox 84)}} || {{yes|HD Audio with ALC272 codec}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM5764M}} || {{No|Intel 5100 or BCM4322 DW 1510 half height mini pcie use small Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 AspireOS 1.8, Icaros 2.1.1 and AROS One USB 2.4 || 2009 32bit ddr2 sodimm max 2G - [https://sites.google.com/site/arosaspireone/about-aspire-one Webcam and card reader not working] lcd cable over hinge an issue - f12 bios and boot - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude 2110 2120 || <!--Chipset-->N470 1.83Ghz, N455 1.6Ghz, N550 1.5Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|ATA mode in bios not ahci}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 3150 2D only}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with ALC269 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| swap for Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro-->2014 Icaros 2.3, || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - ddr2 sodimm |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====HP Compaq Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | HP Mini 2133 || VIA C7-M P4M900 / 8237 VX700 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{maybe|VIA Chrome 9 HC (VESA only)}} || {{no|VT1708/A HD Audio}} || USB || {{no|Broadcom Corp NetXtreme BCM5788}} || {{no|Broadcom Corp BCM4312}} || untested || 2008 32bit - |- | HP mini 1000 Mi 2140 ks145ut || N270 + 945GM || {{N/A}} || SATA || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D and opengl1 3d)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio (playback tested)}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{no|Broadcom Corp BCM4312 hard blocked}} || untested || 2009 32Bit - unable to change wifi card |- | <!--Name-->HP Mini 700 702 || <!--Chipset-->N270 + 945GSE || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio IDT 92HD75B (111d:7608, only playback tested)}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom hard locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - |- | Compaq HP Mini 110 110-3112sa || 945GM Express || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{yes|HD Audio IDT STAC 92xx}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{no|Atheros}} || {{no|Broadcom hard blocked Fn+F12}} || untested || 2009 32bit - unable to change wifi |- | HP Mini 200 210 || 945GM NM10 Express || {{N/A}} || SATA || Intel GMA 950 || {{Maybe|HDAudio with }} || USB || RTL8101E RTL8102E || {{no|Broadcom BCM4312 hard locked}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | HP Mini 311 DM1 (Quanta FP7) || N280 + ION LE || {{N/A}} || SATA || nVidia Geforce ION || {{maybe|HDAudio with }} || USB || eth || {{No|hard locked}} || untested || 2009 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |} ====Lenovo Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | IdeaPad S9 S9e(3G) S10 S10e(3G) || 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{maybe|ALC269 or SigmaTel HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Broadcom NetLink BCM5906M}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4312 hard blocked}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | IdeaPad S12 || Intel Atom N270 + Nvidia ION LE MCP79 || {{N/A}} || SATA || nVidia C79 ION [Quadro FX 470M] || {{maybe|ALC269 HD Audio}} || USB || {{no|Broadcom}} || {{no|Intel locked down}} || 2012 Icaros 2.0, || 2009 32bit - does not boot - cause unknown |- | S10-2 || 945GME and N280 CPU || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{maybe|ALC269 HD Audio}} || {{yes}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4312 hard blocked}} || 2011 Icaros 1.3, || 2009 32bit - |- | S10-3 || NM410 and N450 CPU || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || {{maybe|HD Audio ALC269}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|Atheros 9285 or Broadcom BCM4312 hard blocked}} || 2011 Icaros 1.3, || 2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Samsung Netbooks==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | [http://www.amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=616910&topic_id=33755&forum=28#616910 NC10] || 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{partial|SigmaTel HD Audio (playback only)}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{maybe|rtl8169 works but not Marvell 88E8040 sky2}} || {{yes|AR5007EG}} || 2011 Icaros 1.4, || 2009 32bit - Nano silver on keyboard and lcd ribbon cable over hinge issues |- | [http://www.sammywiki.com/wiki/Samsung_NC20 NC20] || VIA VX800 || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{maybe|VIA Chrome9 (VESA only)}} || ALC272 GR (VT1708A) HD Audio || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{yes|Atheros AR5001}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | N110 N120 || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{yes|ALC272 HD Audio or ALC6628}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{no|Realtek rtl8187}} || untested || 2009 32bit - Namuga 1.3M Webcam none |- | N130 || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{yes|SATA in IDE mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 2D and opengl 1.x 99.5 tunnel 99 gearbox}} || {{yes|Intel HD with ALC272 ALC269 codec playback}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|RTL 8169.device - 8101e 8102e}} || {{no|rtl 8192se rtl8187 too small an area to swap for atheros 5k}} || untested || 2009 32bit - 10.x inch 1024 x 600 - Namuga 1.3M Webcam - front slide power on and f2 setup bios - keyboard 17.7mm Pitch is made with Silver Nano (Anti-Bacterial) tech - small touchpad - 1 ddr2 2rx16 sodimm slot 2G max - 44Wh |- | <!--Name-->Go NP-N310 || <!--Chipset-->N270 + 945GME || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio ALC6628}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|Atheros5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2010 32bit - N280 version changed specs |- | N510 || N270 euro N280 uk + ION MCP79 || {{N/A}} || SATA || nVidia C79 ION [Quadro FX 470M] || HD Audio || USB || Marvell 88E8040 || Realtek 8192E || untested || 2010 32bit - does not boot - cause unknown |- | NP N145 Plus || n450 + NM10 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D, no VGA output)}} || {{yes|Realtek HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || untested || 2010 some support but often the trackpad does not work |- | <!--Name-->NC110 Axx || <!--Chipset-->NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->Sata || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC269 codec A9M22Q2 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4313 or Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - |- | NF210 Pineview || n455 or n550 + N10 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{maybe|Intel GMA 3150 (needs retesting, VESA works)}} || {{yes|HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || Wireless || untested || 2011 64bit - some support |- | <!--Name-->NS310 NP-NS310-A03UK || <!--Chipset-->N570 with NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use Vesa 2d }} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| ich7}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 realtek 810xe }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|bcm4313 }} || <!--Test Distro-->2022 AROS One 2.3, || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit Atom N570 or 1.5 GHz Intel Atom N550 dual core processor, 1 DDR3 sodimm slot memory, a 250GB hard drive, and a 10.1 inch, 1024 x 600 pixel 10.1" W7St - 2300mAh short life - |- | <!--Name-->[https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Samsung_N150 N150] NB30 || <!--Chipset-->MN10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8040}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285 or Realtek 8192E}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2011 a little support |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.kruedewagen.de/wiki/index.php/Samsung_N220 N210 N220] N230 || <!--Chipset-->N450 + NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC269 || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit no sse4.1 or avx - |- | <!--Name-->NC110 Pxx Cedarview || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{dunno|Intel GMA 3600}} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6000g}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- |} ====Toshiba Netbooks==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->NB100 || <!--Chipset-->945GM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|legacy}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC262 HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|AR5001}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Mini NB200 series NB205 || <!--Chipset-->N280 + GSE945 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|IDE legacy mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->ALC272 HD Audio || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{maybe|AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Mini 300 series NB305 || <!--Chipset-->N455 with NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 3150 (2D) || <!--Audio-->ALC272 HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{maybe|AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Mini 500 series NB505 NB520 NB550-10v || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 3150 (2D) || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek 8176 RTL 8188CE}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit - |- | [http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Toshiba-NB550D-AMD-Fusion-Netbook.46551.0.html Mini NB550D 10G] 108 (c30) 109 (c50) || C-50 + M1 || {{N/A}} || SATA || AMD 6250 (VESA only) || HD Audio || USB || {{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek 8111e}} || {{maybe|Atheros 9k}} || untested || 2011 64bit Realtek SD card reader |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Misc Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="30%" |Comments |- | Cammy's A1600 || GME945 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe}} || {{yes|Intel GMA950 (2D)}} || {{yes|HD Audio playback}} || {{yes}} || {{no|JMC 250/260}} || Wireless || 2010 Icaros 1.2.4, || 2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu Siemens Amilo Mini Ui 3520 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 945 || <!--ACPI--> || <!--SATA-->{{yes}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->ALC269 HD Audio || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|AR5001}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - |- | Guillemot Hercules eCafe EC-900 H60G-IA], Mitac MiStation and Pioneer Computers Dreambook Light U11 IL1 || Intel 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{maybe}} || {{yes|Intel GMA950 (2D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio (playback only)}} || {{yes|uhci and ehci}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|RAlink RT2860}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Hannspree Hannsnote SN10E2 24 48 || <!--Chipset-->N450 + NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->IDE legacy mode || <!--Gfx-->Pineview Intel (2D) || <!--Audio-->ALC HD Audio || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->Atheros l1c || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2009 32bit - |- | MSI Wind U90/U100 || GME945 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{partial|HD Audio ALC888s (playback only?)}} || {{yes|uhci 1.1 and ehci 2.0}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|RaLink RT2860 RT2700E or rtl8187se (u100x)}} || 2011 Icaros 1.3, || 2009 32bit - |- | Advent 4211 || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || Intel GMA950 (2D) || ALC HD Audio || USB || rtl8169 || {{no|Intel 3945 ABG}} || untested || 2009 32bit - MSI U100 clone |- | <!--Name-->Hannspree Hannsnote SN10E1 || <!--Chipset-->N270 + GMA945 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->ALC HD Audio || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E RTL8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|RaLink RT2860}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit MSI U100 clone |- | <!--Name--> Vaio VGN-P11Z | <!--Chipset--> | <!--IDE--> {{dunno}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{Partial|Intel (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Marvell}} | <!--Wireless--> {{unk|Atheros AR928X}} | <!--Test Distro-->2012 Icaros 2.0.3 | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit Rarely boots! |- | <!--Name-->Sony VPC-W11S1E | <!--Chipset-->N280 with 945GSE | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA950 - hdmi}} | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with realtek codec | <!--USB-->3 USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8132}} | <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} | <!--Test Distro-->untested | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - 10.1" 1366 x 768 glossy - 3hr battery life - |- | <!--Name-->Archos 10 Netbook || <!--Chipset-->Atom with ICH7 NM10 945GSE || <!--IDE-->{{No }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC662 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->MSI Wind U135 DX MS-N014 || <!--Chipset-->Intel N455 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D only accelerated}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ALC662 rev 1}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|RTL}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR 9K}} || <!--Test Distro-->2015 Icaros 2.1, || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - needs noacpi notls added to grub boot line to start up |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ===Desktop Systems=== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" | <!--OK-->{{Yes|'''Works well'''}} || <!--May work-->{{Maybe|'''Works a little'''}} || <!--Not working-->{{No|'''Does not work'''}} || <!--Not applicable-->{{N/A|'''N/A not applicable'''}} |- |} ====Acer==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.acer.com/ac/en/ID/content/support-product/486;-; Veriton X270 VTX270] Intel Core 2 Duo ED7400C or Pentium dual-core UD7600C with 630i | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d Nvidia 7100 VGA and HDMI connections}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| with realtek codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|4 rear and 5 front}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe| nForce}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 dvd | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit capable but would not fully boot, DHCP address timeout too short and failed often. Put in a third party NIC, worked - 1 PCI Express x16 slot and a free PCI x1 slot - internal thin long psu with 12pin - |- | <!--Name--> Imedia S1710 with Intel Dual Core E5200 | <!--IDE--> {{Yes|SATA/AHCI}} | <!--SATA--> {{Maybe|Native IDE}} | <!--Gfx--> {{Yes|Nvidia nForce 7100}} | <!--Audio--> {{Yes|Nvidia MCP73}} | <!--USB--> {{Yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{No|NVIDIA MCP73 Ethernet}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 14-09-2023, AROS One 2.3 | <!--Comments--> 2009 64-bit - Boot over USB not working on front - 2 DDR2 dual channel max 8GB - DEL for entering Bios - F12 for boot menu - Bus weird, could be reason for Ethernet issue |- | <!--Name-->Acer Revo AR1600, R1600 AR3600, R3600 Packard Bell iMax Mini, ACER Veriton N260G N270G slim nettop subcompact | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Native IDE mode, '''when it works''' boots}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Nvidia ION GeForce 9300M - nouveau 3d - '''when it boots''' 400 fps in shell'ed gearbox, 278 in tunnel, 42 in teapot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with alc662 codec but nothing from HDMI audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Nvidia USB boot usb2 stick issues and slower with usb3 drives}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|MCP79 nForce}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 Intel Atom 230 N280 - 20cm/8" high 1 ltr noisy fan - very often boot stuck around ehciInit - DEL setup F12 boot options - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4GB - 19v special barrel size 5.5mm/1.7mm psu - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4GB - atheros 5k AR5BXB63 wifi - |- | <!--Name-->Revo AR3610 R3610 3610 Atom 330 nettop subcompact dual core | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Native IDE mode, '''when it works''' boots}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Nvidia ION GeForce 9400M LE MCP79MX - nouveau 3d - '''when it boots''' 400 fps in shell'ed gearbox, 278 in tunnel, 42 in teapot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with Realtek alc662 rev1 alc662-hd later ALC885 codec but nothing from HDMI audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Nvidia USB with 1% chance boot with usb2 sticks, more issues with usb3 drives}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|RTL 8211CL MCP79 nForce}} | <!--Test Distro-->{{no|AROS One 32bit 1.5, 1.6 and 2.4 usb and 64bit 1.2 USB}} | <!--Comments-->2010 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 20cm/8" high 1 ltr noisy fan - boot often stuck at Kernel or around ehciInit, SATA, etc try ATA=off, non usb hub keyboard, - DEL bios setup, F12 BBS POPUP/drive boot - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4GB - 19v barrel psu with smaller inner pin size 5.5mm/1.7mm - replace wifi RT3090 ver c (linux) with atheros 5k - |- | <!--Name-->Revo N281G | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA 2d for GMA 3100}} | <!--Audio-->HD audio codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX and SSE 4.1 Atom D425 - 19v 65w barrel psu thinner inner pin - 2 DDR3L single channel max 4GB - replace wifi RT3090 ver d with atheros 5k mini pci-e - 1lr or 1.5 ltr dvdrw case 209.89 mm, (D) 209.89 mm, (H) 35.35 mm - del enter bios - |- | <!--Name-->REVO AR3700 R3700 3700 Atom D525 dual core - ACER Veriton N282G *one long beep followed by two short, bios damaged *looping one long two short, a video card fault *two short beeps... CMOS damaged *got one long and one short beep... board error? | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE ready in Bios}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia ION2 GT218 ION vga fine '''but''' hdmi fussy over display used - nouveau 2d & 3d gearbox 404 tunnel 292 teapot 48}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDA Intel with Realtek ALC662 rev1 codec, head phones only but nothing from NVidia HDMI}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|Intel® NM10 Express (NM10 is basically an ICH7 with a die shrink and IDE removed) USB boots usb, installs usb, accesses ok}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169 8111g}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS one 32bit USB 1.5 and 1.6 and ArosOne 64bit usb 1.2 | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 20cm/8" high 1 ltr noisy fan - early 2 ddr2 sodimm slots but later 2 ddr3 sodimm slots 1Rx8 max 4GB - 19v barrel psu thinner pin - replace wifi RT3090 ver d with atheros 5k mini pci-e - ACPI Suspend Mode = S1, S3 (STR), S4 - Power on PCIe * Known Acer issue, Boot into bios, set bios to UEFI and reboot, set bios back to defaults and reboot, blank display, repair with reflash of 8 pin Winbond W25Q socketed bios chip with ch341a using 2011/09/19 P01.B0L, 2011/05/09 P01.A4, 2011/05/03 P01.A3L, 2010/12/27 P01.A2L, 2010/12/27 P01.A2 amiboot.rom - |- | <!--Name-->Revo 70 (RL70) with or without dvdrw | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->6320 or 6310 | <!--Audio-->HD audio ALC662-VCO-GR codec | <!--USB-->USB2, 1.1 Hudson D1 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD E450 1.65GHz - 19v 65w barrel psu thinner inner pin - 2 DDR3L single channel max 4GB - replace wifi RT3090 ver d with atheros 5k mini pci-e - 1lr or 1.5 ltr dvdrw case 209.89 mm, (D) 209.89 mm, (H) 35.35 mm - del enter bios - |- |} ====Asus==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->EEEbox B202 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA950 | <!--Audio-->Intel Azalia HDaudio with Realtek ALC662 or ALC888-GR CODEC | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111 or JM250 | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros | <!--Comments-->internal 3 types of wifi chipset not supported |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Dell==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name--> Precision 340 | <!--IDE--> {{yes}} | <!--SATA--> {{n/a}} | <!--Gfx--> {{n/a}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|Intel AC97}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 1.1 (UHCI)}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|3Com}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Dimension 2400 | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 82845GL Brookdale G/GE (VESA 640x480 by 16)}} | <!--Audio-->{{Unk|AC97 with ADI codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|UHCI EHCI}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom 440x 4401}} | <!--Test Distro-->[http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?p=832495 Icaros 1.4] | <!--Comments-->Graphics chipset is capable of higher resolution. |- | <!--Name-->Dimension 4600 | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{dunno}} | <!--Gfx-->{{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 (use rear black port)}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|UHCI/EHCI}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Intel PRO/100}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5.2 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 170L | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|Intel AC97}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|Intel PRO/100}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex GX260 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|Intel AC97}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Intel PRO/1000}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | Optiplex GX270 | {{yes|Working}} | {{partial|IDE mode}} | {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | {{yes|Intel AC97}} | {{yes|USB 2.0}} | {{no|Intel PRO/1000}} | Icaros 1.5.2 | <!--Comments--> |- | Optiplex GX280 | {{yes|Working}} | {{partial|IDE mode}} | {{maybe|Intel GMA (only VESA tested)}} | {{yes|Intel AC97}} | {{yes|USB 2.0}} | {{no|Broadcom}} | Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex GX520 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{yes|Intel GMA}} | <!--Audio--> {{partial|Intel AC97 (no line-out)}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 745 | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel GMA (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{partial|HD Audio (no volume control)}} | <!--USB--> {{partial|Only keyboard mouse (legacy mode)}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 755 | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel GMA (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Intel Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.5.1 | <!--Comments--> Around 25 second delay in booting from USB |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 990 | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|non-RAID mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel HD (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Intel Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 360 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|ordinary boot gives VGA mode only - VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio (Analog Devices ID 194a)}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aspire Xenon | <!--Comments-->poor support |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse Vx0 (V90 V30), Vx0L (V10L V90L), Vx0LE (V30LE V90LE) from VIA C7 800GHz to Eden 1.2GHz | <!--IDE-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for S3 UniChrome Pro}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 VIA VT8233A with ?? codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 back and 1 front USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|early models work but later VT6102-3 do not}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.2 | <!--Comments-->2006 to 2009 32bit - 12V 4A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm - 1 sodimm DDR 333MHz SO-DIMM later DDR2 - early V90s do seem to have a reliability problem - |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.poppedinmyhead.com/2021/01/wyse-cx0-thin-client-notes-experiences.html Dell Wyse Cx0] C00LE, C10LE, C30LE, C50LE, C90LE, C90LE7, C90LEW VIA C7 Eden 1GHz | <!--IDE-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d VX855 VX875 Chrome 9}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|some VIA VT8237A VT8251 HDA with ?? codec work}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 outside 2 inside USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|VT6120 VT6121 VT6122 Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2010 to 2013 32bit - [https://ae.amigalife.org/index.php?topic=815.0 boots and works] - 12V 2.5A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm - 1 sodimm ddr2 - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Dell RxxL Rx0L thin client *R00L Cloud PC of Wyse WSM *R10L Wyse Thin OS *R50L Suse Linux Enterprise *R90L Win XP Embedded *R90LW Win Embedded Standard 2009 *R90L7 Win Embedded Standard 7 | <!--IDE-->128Mb IDE or 1GB | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|SATA Hyperdisk}} | <!--Gfx-->AMD 690E RS690M Radeon Xpress 1200 1250 1270 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 usb2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit AMD Sempron™ 210U SMG210UOAX3DVE 1.5GHz SB600, up to 4GB single slot 240-pin DDR2 DIMM, 19v barrel psu, DEL key bios - Late 2012 2 data sockets added but only CN18 be used with two white sockets (CN13 & CN15) can used to power the SATA device "4-pin Micro JST 1.25mm |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 390 sff small form factor - mt mini tower desktop - dt full desktop | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|1 pci-e}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek}} | <!--Test Distro-->aros one 1.6 usb | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit dual i3 2xxx - kettle iec plug psu cable - add nvidia gf218 gfx - error code 3 mobo or cpu - |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 3010 sff small form factor | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|1 pci-e}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom 57XX}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit dual i3 3xxx - kettle iec plug psu cable - |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 7010 sff small form factor | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|1 pci-e}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom or Intel 825xx}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit dual i3 3xxx Q77 - kettle iec plug psu cable - add pci-e ethernet and nvidia gf218 gfx - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 5010 thin client ThinOS D class (D10D D00D D00DX, Dx0D), PCoIP (D10DP) or D90D7, 5040 *username: Administrator, admin, [blank] *password: Fireport, DellCCCvdi, rappot, Wyse#123, Administrator, administrator, r@p8p0r+ | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE mode may need 30cm ext cable as small area for half-slim sata ssd - decased new ssd??}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d 1400x1050 HD6250E IGP by using DVI to hdmi cable and 1 display port, no hdmi port}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD 6.34 audio chipset detected but codec alc269 working from one case speaker - none if v6.29 used}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|most 5010 have 4 USB 2.0 but D90Q7 has 2 USB3 instead}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8168 8169 - rev 1.?? 8111? - rev 1.91 8111E}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit no SSE4.1 or AVX slow AMD G-T44R 1.2Ghz later G-T48E 1.4Ghz Dual Bobcat Brazos BGA413 - Del for BIOS - p key to select boot with noacpi - single DDR3 sodimm slot max 4Gb, (8Gb hynix 2rx8 ddr3l)? (remove small board to upgrade) - passive no fan - 15cm/6" small 1ltr case and lack of expansion options - PA16 19v barrel psu Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 7010 DTS thin client (Z class Zx0D) *2011 Zx0 Z90D7 2GF/2GR *2013 Z10D *2014 Z50D 2GF/2GR *2012 Cisco VXC 6000 CVXC-6215-K9 white | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|Bios set Sata mode to IDE mode and grub boot add 'noacpi' for half slim sata2 ssd or/with 50cm sata ext cable}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d HD6310 HD6320 Terascale 2 through DVI and sometimes DP 1.1a - no 3d support r600 and no hdmi port}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio 6.34 detected but ALC269VB codec works on the one case speaker only}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|2.0 works but NEC 720200 3.0 not working}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111e 8111F}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 and Aros One 32bit 1.5, 1.9 and 2.3 usb and 64bit 1.2 | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 slow cores AMD G-t52R 1.5GHz later G-T56N 1.65 GHz Dual with A50M FCH - 20cm/8" high 1.5ltr larger fanless black plastic case with metal ventilated box inside - 2 desktop DIMM slots max 16GB - miniPCIe CN14 - PA-16 19v external psu Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm - 2 40cm SMA female WiFi Antenna to IPEX IPX u.fl Ufl Cable pigtail needed - does not like uefi boot devices - |- | <!--Name-->Wyse 7020 Thin Client * 2013 Quad-core AMD GX-420CA 2.0 GHz (25W) - * 2018 Zx0Q Quad-core AMD GX-415GA 1.5 GHz (15W) with Quad display 3dp and 1dvi | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 sata port | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d only for AMD Radeon HD8400E radeonsi (dual display) or AMD Radeon HD 8330E IGP with AMD Radeon E6240 Seymour E6460 (quad display), no hdmi ports}} | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 x USB2.0 works but 2 USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 quad eKabini Jaguar cores - two SODIMM sockets layered in centre of mobo DDR3L RAM - Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm ac psu 9mm plug is too short but 14mm length is fine - 15cm/6" high smaller 1ltr case and lack of expansion options - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse Dx0Q (5020) D90Q8 NJXG4 AMD G-Series | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 sata port | <!--Gfx-->HD 8330E | <!--Audio--> with Realtek codec | <!--USB-->4 x USB2.0 works but 2 USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 Quad-core AMD GX-415GA 1.5 GHz - 2 layered near edge of mobo 204-pin DDR3L SODIMM (bottom one tricky to insert) - 19v Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm - passive no fan - 15cm/6" high smaller 1ltr case and lack of expansion options |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 5060 N07D thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE bios mode for sata2 port}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2d - AMD R5E GCN2 IGP Sea Islands thru dp1 with an hdmi adapter no output thru dp2 - no hdmi dvi ports}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio with Realtek ALC231 codec head phones only}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|4 x USB2.0 works but 2 USB3.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 realtek 8169 8111h}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 1.6 usb | <!--Comments-->2017 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 quad GX-424CC 19.5v external psu - CN-0Y62H1 mobo with 2 layered ddr3l 16Gb max sodimm slots at edge of mobo, bottom 0 one blocking - passive no fan so quiet - 15cm/6" high smaller 1ltr case and lack of expansion options - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Fujitsu Siemens==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="15%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Scenic [http://uk.ts.fujitsu.com/rl/servicesupport/techsupport/ProfessionalPC/Scenic/ScenicE/ScenicE.htm E600] (compact desktop) | | | {{partial|VESA only}} | {{yes|AC97}} | | {{no|Intel PRO/1000}} | {{dunno}} | Nice small, silent PC with good AROS support. |- | Scenic T i845 | {{dunno}} | {{n/a}} | {{n/a}} | {{dunno|Intel AC97}} | {{dunno|UHCI}} | {{dunno|Intel PRO/100}} | Icaros 1.5.2 | AROS does not boot |- | <!--Name-->Futro S200 S210 S220 and later S300 | <!--IDE-->{{yes| compactflash CF card max ??}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 315PRO PCI/AGP }} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 via }} | <!--USB-->{{unk|via uhci and ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|via VT6102 [Rhine-II] (rev 74) }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - TR5670 Rev 1.4 mother with Transmeta TM5800 cpu - pci socket - single SODIMM socket for DDR memory PC2700S max 512MB - |- | <!--Name-->Futro S400 | <!--IDE-->{{yes| but swap with compactflash CF card already with AROS installed}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS741CX }} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 SiS7018}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|sis uhci and ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|rtl8169 }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - AMD Geode NX1500 1GHz gets hot - SiS 963L / SiS 741CX chipset - 12V 4.2A 4-pin (DP-003-R) psu - single SODIMM socket for DDR PC2700S max 1G - large case 246 x 48 x 177cms torx screws - pci socket - |- | <!--Name-->FUJITSU Futro S700 and S900 Thin Client (based on mini-ITX motherboard D3003-A12, D3003-C1 lesser variant of [https://www.parkytowers.me.uk/thin/Futro/s900/TechNotes_V3.1_Mini-ITX_D3003-S.pdf D3003-S]) *G-T56N 1.65GHz *G-T40N 1.00GHz *G-T44R 1.20GHz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 sata data socket but mSata 18+8pins 1GB-16GB | <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 6320, HD 6250, HD 6290 dvi or displayport (DP runs higher) | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->{{yes|two USB2 front sockets and four on the rear}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit AMD slow atom-like and fanless - 20V 2A psu 5.5mm/2.1mm coax (S900) - 2 DDR3L SODIMM sockets max 8GB tricky to run 1333 MHz on the Futro S900 - proprietary X2 PCI-e - 1 PCI socket but need a right-angle adaptor - |- | <!--Name-->esprimo p420 e85 desktop case | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->Intel 4600 or old Geforce in pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio realtek alc671 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - 16 pin special psu - |- | <!--Name-->esprimo E420 e85+ SFF case | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->Intel 4600 or low profile pci-e card | <!--Audio-->HDAudio realtek alc671 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - 16ish pin special psu - hd under front metal bracket, take front cover off first with 3 tabs - 3 slim pci-e slots - |- | <!--Name-->Futro S520 AMD dual 1.0Ghz codenamed "Steppe Eagle" * GX-210HA @ 1.0GHz * GX-212ZC @ 1.2GHz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->no sata - 4Gb or 16Gb flash memory soldered to the board | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon HD 8210E (GX210HA) or AMD Radeon R1E (GX212ZC) | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111e | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - smaller than ITX 160mm x 160mm Fujitsu D3314-A11 - 19V 3.4A PSU standard 5.5mm/2.1mm coax plug - 1 ddr3 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu Futro S720 ThinClient D3313-B13 D3313-F *2014 64bit AMD GX-217GA 1.65GHz VFY:S0720P8009FR VFY:S0720P8008DE VFY:S0720P4009GB *2015 64bit AMD GX-222GC 2.20GHz VFY:S0720P702BDE VFY:S0720P702BFR all begin VFY:S0720P and end two digit country code | <!--IDE--> {{N/A|}} | <!--SATA--> {{Yes|up to 2 Sata-cable-connector with space in casing so normal SSD/HDD over Sata was running very well on AHCI and IDE-Mode and 2242 mSata}} | <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|use VESA 2D for AMD Radeon HD 8280E IGP ( islands) or later R5E IGP ( islands)}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|HDAudio ALC671 codec partially working, external audio speaker}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|4 rear USB 2.0 but not front 2 USB 3.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8169}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB 2.0 | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit supports AVX and SSE 4.1 - 1 ddr3 Sodimm slot max 8Gb - 19V-20V 2A 5.5mm/2.5mm coax - D3313-B13 stripped down Mini-ITX mobo D3313-S1/-S2/-S3 (eKabini) D3313-S4/-S5/-S6 - SATA data socket can be located under the fins of the cpu heatsink is fanless - mPCIe socket for wireless card - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu FUTRO S920 D3313-E D3313-G *2016 AMD GX-222GC SOC 2.20GHz Dual *2017 AMD G-Series GX-415GA (1.50 GHz, Quad Core, 2 MB, AMD Radeon™ HD 8330E) *2017 AMD G-Series GX-424CC 2.40 GHz Quad | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{yes|2242 mSata and 1 Sata-cable-connector with space in casing so normal SSD/HDD over Sata possible}} | <!--Gfx--> {{yes|use VESA 2D for Radeon R5E GCN2/3 IGP}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|HDAudio ALC671 codec partially working}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|4 rear USB 2.0, front 2 USB 3.1 downgradable to 2.0 in BIOS setting}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8169}} | <!--Test Distro--> AROS One USB 2.4 | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 2 so dimm slot with max of 8 GB - 19v barrel psu 5.5mm 2.5mm - SATA data socket can be located under the fins of the heatsink - mPCIe a e keyed socket for wireless card - propetary X2 connector with official raizer to X1 connector - almost silent background noise, not affecting sound quality in any way |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu Thin Client Futro S5011 S7011 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for AMD Vega 3 on 2 dp 1.4}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ALC623 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 USB 3.2 Gen 2 front and 3 usb2 rear }} | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - AMD Ryzen Dual Core R1305G or R1505G 1ltr case - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - TPM 2.0 - 19v 3.42amp round coax or usb-c 20c 3.25a external psu - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu FUTRO S9011 Thin Client VFY:S9011THU1EIN || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for AMD Vega 3 on 2 dp 1.4}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ALC623 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 USB 3.2 Gen 2 front and 3 usb2 rear }} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit Ryzen Embedded R1606G - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - TPM 2.0 - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====HP Compaq==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Compaq presario 7360 | <!--IDE-->{{yes|Working}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|AC97 via}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|issues}} | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Compaq EP Series 6400/10 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{N/A}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|ISA}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 1.1}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{N/A}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Evo D510 | {{yes|Working}} | {{N/A}} | {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | {{yes|AC97}} | {{yes|Working}} | {{yes|Intel PRO/100}} | Icaros 1.5 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Compaq DX2000 MT | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel Extreme 2 (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|detects AC97 but no support for ADI AD1888 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|OHCI/EHCI }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82526EZ e1000}} | <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.51 | <!--Comments-->boots ok but no audio |- | <!--Name-->Compaq DX 2200 | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200] (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{dunno|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|OHCI/EHCI issues }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments-->issues |- | <!--Name--> d230 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|UDMA}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{partial|Intel AC97 (speaker and headphones only, no line-out)}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401}} | <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.4.5 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->HP Pavilion a220n || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|VESA 1024x768 on nVidia GF4 MX with 64MB shared video ram}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ALC650 AC'97 comp.}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8201BL 10/100 LAN}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.5|| <!--Comments-->2004 32bit athlon xp 2600+ Socket 462 / Socket A - 2 dimm ddr pc2700 - |- | <!--Name-->t500 | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|FX5200 (2D; 3D with older driver)}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 ICH4 ALC658D}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|UHCI/EHCI}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8101L 8139}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2012-09-22 | <!--Comments-->2004 |- | <!--Name-->DC7700 | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 2D}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes| ICH8}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|82566DM e1000e}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2013-??-?? | <!--Comments-->2006 Some support at low cost |- | <!--Name-->HP dc 7600 CMT | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ACL 260}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO/1000 GT}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->HP t5000 thin client series t5500 t5510 t5515 PC538A or PC542A t5700 t5710 Transmeta Crusoe Code Morphing TM 5400 5600 800Mhz | <!--IDE-->128mb to 512MB | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->Ati Radeon 7000M | <!--Audio-->VIA with codec | <!--USB-->{{No|Issues}} | <!--Ethernet-->VIA Rhine 2 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - ddr max 1GB - F10 setup - all t51xx and some t55xx units will not include a SODIMM slot - |- | <!--Name-->HP t5000 thin client series CN700 *HSTNC-002L-TC t5135, t5530 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d 128Mb Via S3 32-bit colour | <!--Audio-->AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102 VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 78) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit t5135 appears identical to the t5530 except the CPU VIA Esther 400 MHz - RAM 64Mb (? max) - 8 x USB2.0 - 12V 3.33A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm |- | <!--Name-->HP t5720, t5725 HSTNC-001L-TC | <!--IDE-->{{unk| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d SiS741GX 2048 x 1536 32-bit colour | <!--Audio-->AC97 SiS SiS7012 AC'97 | <!--USB-->6 x USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102 VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 8d) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit AMD Geode NX1500 1GHz socketed - RAM 512MB or 1GB, 256MB, 512MB or 1GB - 12V psu - sis DDMA support - custom 1.13 BIOS - pci low profile - |- | <!--Name-->t5000 series VX800 HSTNC-004-TC t5145, t5540, t5545, t5630 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d VIA Chrome9 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio VIA | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|VT6120 VT6121 VT6122 Gigabit (rev 82)}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit - RAM 64Mb (? max) - 8 x USB2.0 - 12V 4.16A Coax: 5.5mm/2.1mm - |- | <!--Name-->t5730w HSTNC-003-TC t5730 | <!--IDE-->{{n/a|ATA 44pin DOM Flash}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d ATI Radeon X1250 2048 x 1536 no 3D | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{Yes|6 x USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 5707M tg3 10/100/1000}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 64bit AMD Sempron 2100+ 1GHz - 1 slot of ddr2 sodimm (Max 2GB) - 12V 4.16A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm - F10 enter bios F12 boot devices - |- | <!--Name-->HSTNC-005-TC gt7720, gt7725 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d AMD RS780G HD 3200 - 2560 x 1600 DVI-D & DVI-H | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->8 x USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5787M}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit AMD Turion Dual Core CPU 2.3GHz - 1 DDR2 200-pin SODIMM - 19V 4.16A Coax 7.4mm/5.0mm (gt7725) - |- | <!--Name-->HP t5740 Thin Client HSTNC-006-TC t5740, t5745, st5742 | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->1 port | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Intel CL40 VGA and DisplayPort connectors}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with IDT codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM57780 Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly build and Icaros | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit Atom N280 - F10 on power up to get into the BIOS screens. F12 brings up the boot options - hp 19V one with a coax connector, outer diameter 4.8mm with inner to be 1.7mm to 1.4mm - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots max 3gb due to 32bit - 1 pci-e slot completely non standard - |- | <!--Name-->t5000 series HSTNC-012-TC VIA Nano u3500 VX900 *t5550 512MB/1GB Windows CE6 R3 *t5565 1GB/1GB HP ThinPro *t5570 2GB/1GB WES 2009 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d VIA ChromotionHD 2.0 GPU Chrome9 | <!--Audio-->VIA 9170 VT1708S codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM57780 Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->32bit - 1 sodimm - 19V 3.42A supply connector standard yellow-tip coax plug 4.8mm/1.8mm "Standard HP Compaq DC Power Plug 4.8mm x 1.5mm / 1.7mm Yellow Tip Connector - |- | <!--Name-->HP t510 Via Eden X2 U4200 HSTNC-012-TC shares features with t5570e, t5565z | <!--IDE-->2G ATA Flash DOM | <!--SATA-->one | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for Chrome9 VIA ChromotionHD 2.0 gfx}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|VIA VT8237A VT8251 HDA with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|6 USB2 }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom Corporation NetLink BCM57780 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit - one slot ddr3 sodimm max 4GB - 19V 3.42A Coax 4.8mm/1.8mm - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->HP T610 Thin Client and thicker PLUS version AMD G-T56N A55E | <!--IDE-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 6320 1 dp port 1 dvi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->two USB2 on the front, two USB2 and two USB 3 ports on the rear | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM57780}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 64bit does not support AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 204-pin DDR3 1600MHz SODIMMs PC3-12800 under motherboard via removable panel - 19.5V 3A Coax male 7.4mm/5.0mm + centre pin - |- | <!--Name-->HP T420 Thin Client *AMD Embedded G-Series GX-209JA SOC (1 GHz, 2 cores) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 8180 dvi vga | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->2 front 2 rear USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2015 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - soldered in place 2GB DDR3 - smaller than usual 19.5V 2.31A Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm + centre pin - usb stick internal for storage - E15 BBR - |- | <!--Name-->HP t520 TPC-W016 *AMD GX-212JC 1.2Ghz (2 core) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 m.2 mounting holes for 2242 and 2260 SSDs SATA (not NVME) | <!--Gfx-->Radeon R2E GCN2 IGP Sea Islands | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->2 USB3 front, 4 USB2 back | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 2017 64 bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 1 204-pin DDR3 SODIMM - 19.5V 3.33A 7.4mm Coax with central pin |- | <!--Name-->HP t620 TPC-I004-TC *AMD G-Series GX-217GA 2 core APU 1.65GHz (65W) *AMD GX-415GA (65W) and t620 PLUS (PRO wider version) TPC-I020-TC *AMD GX-420CA SOC (Plus 85W) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|single M.2 2280 socket sata3, mSATA socket removed end of 2014}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2d for Radeon HD 8280E graphics 8330E Islands GCN2 IGP - 2 dp ports no dvi}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio with Realtek ALC221 codec 0x10EC 0x0221}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|4 front, 2 back, 1 inside limited space}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 32bit | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 DDR3L SODIMMs side by side - mSATA ssd and M.2 SSD are M1.6 screws, M2.0 screws used on most SSDs - 19.5V 3.33A Coax male 7.4mm 5mm with centre pin - changed the network card to a Atheros 5000 compatible - |- | <!--Name-->HP T530 *AMD GX-215JJ (2 core) 1.5GHz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 m.2 sata ssd up to 2280 | <!--Gfx-->Radeon R2E | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->1 USB3.1, 1 usb-c front, 4 USB2 back | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2015 64 bit does support AVX SSE 4.1 - 1 204-pin DDR4 SODIMM - 19.5V 2.31A Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm with centre pin - |- | <!--Name-->HP T730 Wider "Thin" Client TPC-I018-TC Pixar RX-427BB (2c4t) - no display and fans blowing full speed caused by '''disabling internal gpu in bios''' flash L43_0116.bin onto smc MX25L6473F (3.3V 8-PIN SOP (200mil) SPI 25xx) ([https://www.badcaps.net/forum/troubleshooting-hardware-devices-and-electronics-theory/troubleshooting-desktop-motherboards-graphics-cards-and-pc-peripherals/bios-schematic-requests/96303-hp-t730-password-locked-bios in the rom rcvry socket under a delicate thin narrow surface flap]) with ch341a alike switchable from 5v, 3.3v to 1.8v | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{partial|Storage bios option to IDE and not AHCI to prevent constant install error messages to DH0: - add noacpi to end of grub boot line - 1 M.2 SATA slot (Key B+M) up to 2280 with T8 torx secure stub}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use VESA for non-vulkan Radeon R7 GCN 2 UVD4.2 Sea Islands with 4 dp outs '''but too easy bricking''' if swapping with 1 PCIe 3.0 x8 slot 30W slim factor low profile 8400gs gt210 nvs295 nvs310 gt1030}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDaudio 6.34 realtek alc221 codec thru case speaker only}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|'''Works''' for 4 USB2 in the back with 2 in the front, 2 USB3.0 ports on front and 1 more internal (not bootable)}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG set up first in Prefs/Network}} | <!--Test Distro-->boots with AROS One 32bit and 64bit USB with added noacpi added to grub boot line - press e - Latest distros can select grub boot options with Aros One 64bit USB and Aros One USB 2.8 but system seems to freeze after choice | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 DDR3L sodimm stacked slots max 32GB - '''Larger''' 20cm/8" high 3.5ltr case noisy fan - TPM2 - esc/F9 boot selector F10 enter bios - 2 serial and 1 parallel old ports - Key E Wireless - PCIe slot (x16 physical, x8 electrical) - 19.5V 4.36A 85w TPC-LA561 HP 7.4mm black-ring-tip power plug, red flashing power button, wrong psu or bad MotherBoard MB - |- | <!--Name-->HP t630 Thin Client TPC-I020-TC *AMD Embedded G-Series SoC GX-420GI quad core 2Ghz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|ahci.device mbr msdos partiton table for 2 Sata M.2, sata0 up to 2280 (1tb max), sata1 2242 (64gb max), both T8 torx secure stubs}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use VESA for Radeon AMD Wani R7E with 2 displayport 1.2 sockets, use one nearest to power jack - no dvi / hdmi}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio 6.36 0x1022, 0x157a and ALC255 aka ALC3234 codec 0x10ec, 0x0255, pins 0x17 as LFE and 0x1b as int speaker but not ahi 6.34}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2 2 front and 2 rear, 2 front USB3 and 1 inside}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169 8111H}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB 2.2, 2.8 and 64bit USB 1.0, 1.2 with noacpi added to the end of the grub bootline (press e) | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 DDR4 SODIMMs side by side speed 1866Mhz limit - 19.5V 3.33A 65W TPC-BA54 Coax male 7.4mm with centre pin - can be easily bricked, might reflash bios with M40 SP149736 - 20cm/8" high 1.5ltr larger fanless case - esc f1 f9 f10 - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq Elite 7200 7300 8200 8300 SFF with kettle IEC psu cable | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE ata legacy only in BIOS}} | <!--Gfx-->i pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|8200 works}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel or Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit dual core - add pci-e rtl8169 ethernet card and pci-e gf210 nvidia low height - |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq Pro 6305 Small Form Factor SFF AMD A75 chipset (FCH 6 SATA 6 Gb/s, 4 USB 3.0) *AMD Quad A10-5800B *AMD A8-5500B *AMD Dual A6-5400B *AMD A4-5300B | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 7000 Terascale iGPU series Radeon HD 7660D, Radeon HD 7560D, Radeon HD 7540D, Radeon HD 7480D | <!--Audio-->HD ALC221 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 5761}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Elitedesk 705 G1 - SFF *AMD A10-8850B, Quad-Core A10 PRO-7850B, A10-8750B *AMD A10-7800B, A10 PRO-6800B, A8-7600B *AMD A8-8650B, A6-8550B *AMD A6-8350B, Dual A6 PRO 7400B, A4-7300B | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D with Radeon R7 or 8000}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD audio with Realtek ALC221 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom or Intel}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - T15 security torx psu with 6pin PWR 200W connector - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteDesk 705 G2, 705 G3 Mini PC USFF thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2.5in and m.2 | <!--Gfx-->Radeon R7 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5762 GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit AM4 socket with 35W TDP A10-8770E (4c), AMD PRO A6-8570E (2c), AMD Pro A6-9500E, or AMD PRO A10-9700E on AMD B300 FCH - ddr4 sodimm slots - 77 x 175 x 34mm (6.97 x 6.89 x 1.34in) 1L and about 3lbs - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteDesk 705 G4 Mini 1ltr USFF AMD Ryzen 3 2200G (4c t) or 5 2400G (4c t) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Nvme 2280 and 2.5in sata}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 thru DP1.2 port | <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio Conexant codec}} | <!--USB-->USB2 usb3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit Am4 socket - 2 sodimm 16GB max - 19.5v hp socket ext psu - |- | <!--Name-->Elitedesk 705 G4 35w, Elitedesk 705 G4 65w, HP Prodesk 405 G4 35W USFF | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Nvme 2280 and older models 2.5in sata}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3, 8 or 11 with 2 dp1.2 ports | <!--Audio-->{{no|HD audio with Conexant CX20632 codec}} | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111EPH 1Gbe or Realtek RTL8111F | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - realtek wifi 8821 or 8822 - up to 1 ddr4 dimm slots - hp barrel 12v up to 180w ac - baseboard 83e9 35W - AMD Athlon PRO 200GE (2c 4t), 2200GE (4c t) or 2400GE (4c t) on AMD B350 FCH - |- | <!--Name-->Elitedesk 705 G5, HP Elitedesk 806 G6, Prodesk 405 G6 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2x NVMe or 1x SATA + 1x NVMe, but not all three drives at the same time without serious modding of hd caddie || <!--Gfx-->Vega with DP1.4 port || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3205 codec}} || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - 3400GE Ryzen 5 PRO 3350GE (4c 8t), Ryzen 3 PRO 3200GE 3150GE (4c 4t), AMD Athlon Silver PRO 3125GE (2c 4t) on AMD PRO 565 |- | <!--Name-->HP t540 1ddr4 slot, t640 2 DDR4 SDRAM sodimm SO-DIMM 260-pin non-ECC max 32gb thin client USFF | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 NVM Express (NVMe) 2230 or 2280 | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 VGA, DisplayPort | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->2 USB3 gen1 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek Realtek RTL8111HSH or RTL8111E PH-CG | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit ryzen r1000 series Ryzen Embedded R1305G 1.5 GHz, R1505G dual (2c 4t) 2.0Ghz or R1606G ?.?Ghz (2c4t) - Realtek RTL8852AE wifi - 45W psu Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm + centre pin - |- | <!--Name-->HP t740 SFF Thin Client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 M.2, one is sata and other nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 DisplayPort or + optional pci-e 30W Radeon E9173 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E PH-CG 1Gbe | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - Ryzen Embedded V1756B 3.25Ghz quad - 90W 19.5V 4.62A psu Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm + centre pin - sodimm DDR4 max 64Gb - slightly noisy fan - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteDesk 805 G6 Mini 4750GE (8t 16t), Prodesk 405 G6 Ryzen 5 PRO 4650GE (6c 12t) or Ryzen 3 PRO 4350GE (4c 8t) on AMD PRO 565 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2.5in carrier and 2 slots m.2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 with DP1.4 and HDMI flex io2 output options | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC3205 codec | <!--USB-->4 usb a - gen 2 10gig and gen 1 5gig ports | <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit AMD Ryzen 4000 SBC unlocked - 2 sodimm ddr4 slots - wifi6 - 90W ac - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Lenovo==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo Nettop IdeaCentre Q150 (40812HU) | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio--> realtek codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->intel 10/100 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit D510 |- | <!--Name-->M625q Tiny (1L) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->M.2 Sata | <!--Gfx-->Stoney Radeon R2, R3 or R4 and later R5 with 2 dp ports | <!--Audio-->HD audio with ALC233-VB2-CG codec 0x10EC 0x0233 | <!--USB-->{{No|3 usb3.1 Gen 1 and 3 usb2}} | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 RTL8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit all dual cores - e2-9000e or a4-9120e later A9-9420e - heatsink covers 70% area covers wifi - 65w or 135w lenovo rectangle ac - 1 ddr4 2666MHz slot max 8gb - tpm 2.0 - |- | <!--Name-->M715q Gen 1 AMD A6 A8 A10-9700E 9770E (2c2t) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 | <!--Gfx-->R4 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->M715q Gen 2 Ryzen 5 PRO 2400GE 4C 8T | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 | <!--Gfx-->Vega 11 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - f1 enter setup, esc device boot - fixed 1.8v ch341a needed to reflash 1.8v bios if no boot SOP8 DIP8 Winbond W25Q64, MXIC MX25U1635, MX25U6435 - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkCenter M75n nano Ryzen3 3300U | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->ThinkCentre M75q M75q-1 Tiny 1ltr TMM *AMD Ryzen 5 PRO Quad 3500 Pro 3400GE (4c 8t) 11a5 soe400 *AMD 3200GE (2c 4t) zen1+ 11a4 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|NVMe 2280 1Tb max - untested 2.5inch}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 11 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek ALC222-CG codec ALC3287 | <!--USB-->3 USB3 Gen 1 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 65w 20v 3.25A to 135W rectangle psu - 2 sodimm ddr4 sodimm max 32GB locked 2666MHz - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkCentre Ryzen 7 PRO Tiny 1ltr Gen 2 AMD 4000 series *AMD 4650GE (6c12t) 4750GE (8c16t) 4350G (4c8t) Zen2 - | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|NVme}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit vendor locked - 20v psu - 2 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkcenter M75q-2 Gen2 refresh | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Radeon Vega | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->1GigE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 5650GE (6c12t) 5750GE (8c16t) - vendor/PSB can lock your AMD CPU - f12 boot devices |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Thinkcentre M75q Tiny Gen5 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} | <!--SATA-->2 NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 780M dp1.4a or hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 usb-c | <!--Ethernet-->1GBe port | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2024 Ryzen PRO 7 8700GE - 90W yellow rectangle connector psu - 2 DDR5 sodimm slots max 128Gb - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |} ====Misc==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Impart impact Media Group IQ Box mini Digital Signage with MB896 mini itx | <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->GMA 915 gme | <!--Audio--> via audio | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - 1 ddr2 slot - pentium m 1.73GHz - |- | <!--Name-->[https://everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_mini/specs/mac_mini_cd_1.83-specs.html Apple A1176 Intel MacMini1,1] | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{unk|gpt/efi }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|gma950 2d and 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ICH7 [https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+question/186749 Sigmatel Stac 9221] [https://android.googlesource.com/kernel/msm/+/android-wear-5.1.1_r0.6/sound/pci/hda/patch_sigmatel.c codec][https://alsa-devel.alsa-project.narkive.com/Yt20W6cE/sigmatel-stac9221-mux-amp-out-0x02-microphone-not-working mic]}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2006 32bit possible 1.83 GHz Intel “Core Duo” (T2400) - swap pci-e wifi for atheros 5k AR5007EG - maybe hack with a 2,1 firmware - max 4GB Ram ddr2 sodimms - external apple psu - dvd boot only with c key - |- | <!--Name-->[https://everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_mini/specs/mac-mini-core-2-duo-1.83-specs.html Apple A1176 Intel Mac Mini2,1] | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{unk|gpt/efi }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|gma950 2d and 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ICH7 Sigmatel Stac 9221 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 2.0/ Icaros (latest beta) | <!--Comments-->2007 64bit - swap pci-e wifi for atheros 5k AR5007EG - hacked with a 2,1 firmware and replaced the cpu for T7600 2.33 Ghz C2D and max 4GB Ram ddr2 sodimms - external apple psu - dvd boot only via c key |- | <!--Name-->Apple iMac 5,1 "Core 2 Duo" 1.83GHz 17" T5600 MA710LL || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 with 64Mb || <!--Audio-->HDAudio idt codec || <!--USB-->3 USB2 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit - 2 ddr2 667MHz sodimm slots - 17.0" TFT widescreen 1440x900 - polycarbonate |- | <!--Name-->Apple iMac 6,1 "Core 2 Duo" 2.16 2.33 24" only T7400 T7600 aka MA456LL/A A1200 (EMC 2111) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia 7300GT with 128 MB of GDDR3 SDRAM PCI Express or GeForce 7600GT with 256Mb mini dvi, vga || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->3 USB2 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit - 2 ddr2 667MHz sodimm slots - 24.0" TFT widescreen 1920 x 1200 - polycarbonate plastic case iMacs of this generation are the most difficult iMacs to service due to their front bezel design |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA2 | <!--IDE-->flash DOM | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->S3 Inc ProSavage PM133 (rev 02) vga | <!--Audio-->VIA VT82C686 AC97 Audio | <!--USB-->USB | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8139 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - VIA Ezra 800MHz - 2 PC100 sodimm slots - riser board carries an ISA slot and a PCI slot - external 12V power supply.with 4 pins - |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA5 Capio One | <!--IDE-->44pin Disk On Module DOM | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->SiS550 vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with SiS7019 codec | <!--USB-->USB1.1 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8139 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - internal power supply with mains lead has a "clover leaf" style - 2 144-pin PC100 or PC133 SODIMM might have 24MB of RAM soldered - |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA10 *E140 model BL-XX-XX (800MHz CPU) later *E100 model BK-XX-XX (1GHz CPU) | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA VT8623 (Apollo CLE266) vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with | <!--USB-->4 USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102/VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 74) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2004/5 32bit - 12v 5.5mm/2.1mm - 2 184-pin DDR DIMM - |- | <!--Name-->VXL Itona thin client *TC3200, *TC3x41 (P3VB-VXL) TC3541 TC3641 TC3841, *TC3xx1 (6VLE-VXL0) TC3931, *TC43xx (Gigabyte C7V7VX) TC4321 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA vga | <!--Audio-->AC'97 Audio with VIA VT | <!--USB-->VIA USB | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8100B | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2005 2006 32bit VIA Samuel 2, VIA C3 Nehamiah CPU, 1 DIMM slot, internal psu, |- | <!--Name-->Neoware Capio C50, model CA15 Thin Clients] *Login Administrator Password Administrator *Login User Password User | <!--IDE-->1 flash Disk On Module | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA VT8623 (Apollo CLE266) vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with via codec | <!--USB-->USB | <!--Ethernet-->VIA | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2006 32bit VIA Eden (Samuel II core) CPU - 1 ddr sodimm slot max 512mb - slot - internal psu clover leaf - |- | <!--Name-->[http://etoy.spritesmind.net/neowareca21.html Neoware CA21 Thin Clients] Igel 3210 (and maybe the Clientron G270) *Login Administrator Password Administrator *Login User Password User | <!--IDE-->1 flash Disk On Module DOM | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA CN700 vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with via codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit VIA C3 Nehemiah instead of Ezra-T - made 2 version of the CA 21, one with an Award bios and one with a Phoenix bios - 1 ddr2 sodimm slot max 1gb - VT6656 wireless - slot - internal psu iec - |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA22 (e140), part number DD-L2-GE with BCOM WinNET P680 (V4) as the Igel 4210LX (Igel 5/4) | <!--IDE-->1 VIA VT82C586A/B VT82C686/A/B VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06) | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA CN700 P4M800 Pro CE VN800 Graphics [S3 UniChrome Pro] (rev 01) vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with codec | <!--USB-->USB2 VIA VT8237R Plus | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102/VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 78) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - VIA Esther to later C7 1GHz - 1 ddr2 sodimm slots max 512mb - +12V DC/4.16A/50W 5.5mm/2.1mm coaxial - |- | <!--Name-->10Zig RBT402, Clientron U700, | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|44 pin header very little room}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Partial|VESA dvi}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|VIA }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - very small cases with very limited expansion - 1 sodimm 2GB max - 12v 3a psu - Password Fireport |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Dell Optiplex FX170 D05U thin client, 10Zig 56xx range 5602, 5616v, 5617v, 5672v, Clientron U800, Devon IT TC5, | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|44 pin header very little room}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Gfx-->{{partial|GMA 950 dvi}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - very small cases with very limited expansion - 1 ddr2 sodimm 2GB max - 12v 3a psu - Password Fireport - ps2 keyboard socket - |- | <!--Name-->10Zig RBT-616V or Chip PC Technologies EX-PC (model number XPD4741) | <!--IDE-->{{unk|44 pin header very little room}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 950}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|rtl8169}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit N270 on NM10 with ICH7 - very small cases with very limited expansion - 1 sodimm 2GB max - 12v 4a psu - Password Fireport |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Brix GS-A21S-RH (rev. 1.0) SFF | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|X3100}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio with ALC883-GR codec}} | <!--USB-->Intel USB | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82566DC}} | <!--Test Distro-->ICAROS 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit Intel GME965 chipset with Intel ICH8M - 2 DDR2 Dimm slots - GA-6KIEH2-RH Rev.1.x mini ITX Case 213mm(D) x 64mm(W) x 234mm(H) - custom psu - |- | <!--Name-->VXL Itona MD+24 MD27 MD54 MD64 MD76 thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->VIA Chrome 9 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA VT | <!--USB-->VIA | <!--Ethernet-->VIA | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit VIA X2 U4200 - 12v-19v barrel psu - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Revo 100 RL100 AMD Athlon II X2 K325 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® ION™ 9300m || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC662 codec || <!--USB-->USB2 1 front 2 back || <!--Ethernet-->NVIDIA nForce 10/100/1000 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2010 64bit but no AVX - 4Gb DDR3 sodimm - 500 GB - 19v 3.42a 65W - dvd but later BD drive - |- | <!--Name-->Asrock ION 330 330Pro HT-BD, Foxconn NT-330i, Zotac ION F (IONITX mini itx), | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ION geforce 9400}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Nvidia USB}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Nvidia }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit slow atom cpu - 2.5L 8" by 8" plastic case - 2 ddr2 sodimm max 4G - external 19v 65W 3.42A Plug 5.5mm X 2.5mm - little whiny fan - |- | <!--Name-->Zotac ZBOXHD-ND01 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION1 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->NVidia | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Zotac ZBOX HD-ID11 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC888 codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111D | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 |- | <!--Name-->ZOTAC ZBOX Blu-ray 3D ID36 Plus | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->sata | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->2 USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->GbE | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Shuttle XS35GT || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ION || <!--Audio-->HD audio IDT92HD81 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|JMC261}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - Atom™ D510 NM10 - DDR2 |- | <!--Name-->Shuttle XS35GT V2 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ION2 || <!--Audio-->HD audio IDT92HD81 || <!--USB-->Intel || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|JMC251}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit Atom™ D525 NM10 chipset - DDR3 |- | <!--Name-->Sapphire Edge-HD || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ION2 GT218 with vga and hdmi || <!--Audio-->HDAudio realtek codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - Atom™ D510 NM10 - DDR2 65 W AC, DC 19V~3.42A, 19.3L x 14.8w x 2.2H cm (1l), weight 530g, |- | <!--Name-->Sapphire Edge-HD2 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|nouveau ION2 GT218 with vga and hdmi 2d and 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|Intel USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit Atom™ D525 NM10 chipset - DDR3 |- | <!--Name-->AOPEN Digital Engine DE67-HA(I) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| Vesa 2d for Intel HD}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio for ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|usb3}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel WG82579LM}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.jetwaycomputer.com/JBC600C99352W.html Jetway JBC600C99352W] | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio-->{{No|C-Media CM108AH}} | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111DL | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit D525 - DDR3 - 12v psu |- | <!--Name-->Foxconn nT-A3550 A3500 AMD A45 Chipset DDR3 Nettop Barebones - White | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 slot | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon HD6310 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 USB2 back and 2 USB3 front | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD Dual-core E350 1.6GHz CPU - 1 ddr3 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Asus EeeBox PC EB1021 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD6320M || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE1 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit - AMD® Brazos E-350 SFF or E-450 with A50M - 2 ddr3l so-dimm - 40W ac - |- | <!--Name-->Xi3 Piston PC Athlon64 X2 3400e (X5A), AMD R-464L quad (X7A) Z3RO NUC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->AMD mobility HD3650 to radeon HD 7660G | <!--Audio--> codec | <!--USB-->4 USB2 3 USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8161}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 - 2 sodimm 8GB max - 19v 3.3a round - Titan105 bios update - |- | <!--Name-->Sapphire Edge-HD3 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD6320M with vga and hdmi || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC662 codec || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE1 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD® Brazos E-450 with A45M - ddr3l so-dimm - 65W ac - Wireless is Realtek 8191SU WiFi (802.11n) or AzureWave (802.11bgn) - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Samsung Syncmaster Thin Client Display TC-W Series 24" LF24 TOWHBFM/EN TC220W LED LF22TOW HBDN/EN || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->8gb SSD || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| VESA mode only Radeon HD 6290}} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB-->2 USB 2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 thin Client C-50 C50 AMD® 1000 MHz and no wireless |- | <!--Name-->Advantech TPC-2140 thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 atom-like G-T56E 1.65Ghz up to SSE3, BGA413 soldered - |- | <!--Name-->CompuLab FIT-PC3 fitPC3 USFF PC AMD G-T56N || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->RADEON HD 6320 || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio ALC888 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64 bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 12v 3a - 2x sodimm DDR3 max 4GB - wifi rtl8188ce |- | <!--Name-->10Zig 6872 thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 atom-like G-T56N up to SSE3 BGA413 (FT1) soldered - DDR3l single channel - |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG Technology 9972 1.6 GHz Linux 1.47 kg Black RX-216GD thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon 5E 3840 x 2160 @ 30Hz to 2560 x 1600 @ 60Hz 2 x Display Port | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->6 x USB2.0 2 x USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD RX-216TD - 1 ddr3 sodimm - 12V 4A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG 7800q thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon 5E 3840 x 2160 @ 30Hz to 2560 x 1600 @ 60Hz 2 x Display Port | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->6 x USB2.0 2 x USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD GX-424CC (Quad Core) 2.4GHz BGA769 (FT3b) - 1 ddr3 sodimm - 12V 4A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm |- | <!--Name--> *Itona VXL MZE12 AMD a4-5000 thin client *VXL Itona LQ27 LQ+27 LQ44 LQ+44 LQ49 LQ+49 LQ50 LQ+50 LQ64 LQ+64 thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Ati 8330 vga hdmi dp | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 usb2 2 usb3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit quad BGA769 (FT3) soldered - 2 stacked sodimm ddr3 middle of mobo - 2 m.2 sata slots - 1 sata short cable half size space - limited 1ltr 8in case no fan - 19v hp style psu connector - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 5212 21.5" AIO Thin Client W11B | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Sata | <!--Gfx-->R3 out from DP or vga | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2015 64bit slow atom like dual core AMD G-T48E 1.4 GHz - dell type round ac needed 90W 19.5V 4.62A - 21 inch 1080p screen - |- | <!--Name-->LG 24CK560N-3A 24' All-in-One Thin Client Monitor, 27CN650N-6N 27CN650W-AC 27', 34CN650W-AC 34', | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AMD Prairie Falcon GX-212JJ |- | <!--Name-->CompuLab fit-PC4 fitPC4 4x 2Ghz AMD || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64 - 2x DDR4 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->IGEL Hedgehog M340C UD3 thin client *2016 V1.0 AMD GX-412HC 1.2GHz-1.6GHz Radeon R3E, normal bios DEL for Bios or F12 boot selector *2018 AMD GX-424CC 2.4GHz, Radeon R5E, UEFI hit DEL and choose boot or SCU icon | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->SATA half slim version '''limited space''' with msata 8+18pins slot on earlier 2016 models | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Radeon R3E later R5E sea islands vulkan 1.2 with dvi dp output}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec ?? (412) and Realtek ALC662-VD0-GR (424), both case speaker}} | <!--USB-->amd usb3 boot usb2 with bios "disable usb" entry | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169 8111 (412) and (424)}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aros One x86 USB 1.5, 1.8 and 2.2 | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 20cm/8" high case - 1 DDR3L sodimm slot max 8Gb 1600MHz - external '''12V 3A''' supply with 5.5mm/2.1mm coaxial - IDE like interface under base stand is for legacy addon ports RS232 parallel etc - capacitive touch power on - case opening 3 stages, remove stand and narrow black plastic strip from the back, top cover slides off to the back and lifts off - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG 6148v 6048qv (6100 series) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} | <!--USB-->{{No| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AMD Ryzen V1202B |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG 7111q | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit AMD Ryzen R2514 2.1 GHz - |- | <!--Name-->Shuttle DA320 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->R3 R5 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC662 codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->dual realtek 1GbE 8111H | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Opinion-->2017 64bit AMD 2200G 2400G - Robust metal 1.3-liter case - A320 chipset DDR4 - 19V 6.32A DC PSU - |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD7 H850C around december 2019 '''AMD Secure Processor''' is a built-in dedicated security system that checks if the BIOS has a valid signature and thus secures the next step in the boot process. This ensures that only devices with a signed BIOS will boot | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->None but 8gb emmc | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek ALC897 or ALC888S codec | <!--USB-->USB 3.2 and 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - AMD Ryzen™ Dual-Core 10W TDP - 2 DDR4 sodimms slots max 16Gb - 12V 4A psu - 2x DisplayPort 1.2 no dvi or hdmi - Intel® 9260 or SparkLAN WNFT-238AX wifi - 1x rear serial Prolific PL2303 chipset - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD7 H860C - '''AMD Secure Processor''' is a built-in dedicated security system that checks if the BIOS has a valid signature and thus secures the next step in the boot process. This ensures that only devices with a signed BIOS will boot | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->None but 8gb emmc | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek ALC897 or ALC888S codec | <!--USB-->USB 3.2 and 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - AMD Ryzen™ Dual-Core 10W TDP - 2 DDR4 sodimms slots max 16Gb - 12V 4A psu - 2x DisplayPort 1.2 no dvi or hdmi - Intel® 9260 or SparkLAN WNFT-238AX wifi - 1x rear serial Prolific PL2303 chipset - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD3 M350C (UEFI issues) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->None but 8gb emmc | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek ALC897 or ALC888S codec | <!--USB-->USB 3.2 and 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - AMD Ryzen™ R R1505G Dual-Core 10W TDP - 2 DDR4 sodimms slots max 16Gb - 12V 4A psu - 2x DisplayPort 1.2 no dvi or hdmi - Intel® 9260 or SparkLAN WNFT-238AX wifi - 1x rear serial Prolific PL2303 chipset - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD7 H860C AMD Ryzen V1605B Thin Client - '''AMD Secure Processor''' is a built-in dedicated security system that checks if the BIOS has a valid signature and thus secures the next step in the boot process. This ensures that only devices with a signed BIOS will boot | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 AMD Ryzen™ Embedded V1605B 2 – 3.6 GHz (Quad-Core) - 12v 5A psu - up to 16GB RAM DDR4 - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Brix Barebone Mini PC BSRE-1605 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 M.2 | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC269 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->2 GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 64bit AMD Ryzen V1605B - 2 DDR4 sodimm slots |- | <!--Name-->MINISFORUM Deskmini UM250 Mini PC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 64bit AMD Ryzen V1605B - |- | <!--Name-->T-Bao MN25 Mini PC 2500U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Unk|Intel NVMe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{No|VESA Radeon Vega 8}} | <!--Audio-->{{Unk| }} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek PCIe 1GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Atari VCS || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for AMD Vega 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 USB 3.2 Gen 2 front and 3 usb2 rear }} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit Ryzen Embedded R1606G - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - TPM 2.0 - |- | <!--Name-->Minis Forum M200 Silver Athlon M300 3300U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Minis Forum DeskMini UM300 3300U, UM350 DMAF5 3550H, UM370 and UM700 with 3750H | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit |- | <!--Name-->MinisForum X300 with AMD 3400G | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Beelink SER3 GTR4 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega 3 or 10 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RJ45 1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 64bit 3200u or 3750h |- | <!--Name-->AsRock DeskMini X300 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 Ryzen 7 Pro 4750G 5600G |- | <!--Name-->MinisForum Besstar Tech X400 with AMD 4650G | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - MP1584 - kill NB679 NB679GD-Z=ALTM=AL** QFN-12 IC-REG-DL buck/linear synchronous chip IC with bad usb cables - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink SER4 GTR5 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->cant boot from installed SSDs unless its an M.2 | <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->1 or 2 Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 4700U or 5900HX |- | <!--Name-->MSI PRO DP20Z 5M Mini PC - AMD Ryzen 5 5300G | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 2.5G LAN RTL8125}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018-2021 R3 3200G Vega 8 - R5 3400G Vega 11 - Ryzen 5 5600G Vega 7 - Athlon 3000G |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum UM450 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 2.5G LAN RTL8125}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - Ryzen 4500U - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Brix GB-BRR7-4800 (rev. 1.0) GB-BRR7-4700 (rev. 1.0) GB-BRR5-4500 (rev. 1.0) GB-BRR3-4300 (rev. 1.0) | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 2.5G LAN RTL8125 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS PN50 mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 4700U | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|3.1 gen1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|realtek 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS PN51-S1 mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 5700U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Vega thru dp or hdmi | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|3.1 gen1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|realtek 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 19v or 19.5v 90w psu round barrel - 32gb ddr4 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Minis Forum Bessstar Tech EliteMini B550 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 x 2.5in and 2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|4 usb3.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|realtek 8125 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit AMD 4700G 5700G desktop cpu - 19v 120w round barrel - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock A300 and later X300 Mini itx with Desktop AM4 socket | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - choose your own AMD APU GE 35w based - DDR4 - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock 4x4 BOX-5800U Zen 3-based AMD Ryzen 7 5800U 15W - | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 slot gen 3 and sata | <!--Gfx-->vega | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|1 GbE and 1 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - WiFi 6E - |- | <!--Name-->Topton S500+ Gaming Mini PC - Morefine S500+ 5900HX Mini PC - Minisforum UM590 Ryzen AMD Zen3 Ryzen 9 5900HX 7 5800H 45W - | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme 1 sata | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 thru HDMI 2.0, DP 1.4, and USB type-C | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|usb3.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|1 realtek rtl 8111h and 1 8125 2.5GbE bg-cg}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 2 sodimm ddr4 3200MHz - |- | <!--Name-->Chuwi RzBox later Ubox | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 later to 660m vga, dp, hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->{{maybe|usb-c usb2}} | <!--Ethernet-->dual gigabit | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 2025 64bit amd 5800h 4800h 6600H - 90w psu - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink Mini PC SER5, Trigkey AZW S5, Asus PN52, ZHI BEN MX-JB560, | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->PCIe3 M.2 2280 nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega 6 with 1 or 2 hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek 1GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 5500U 5560u 5600U to PRO 5600H 5800H - 19v 3.42W 65W psu - |- | <!--Name-->NIPOGI Kamrui ACEMAGICIAN AM06PRO Dual LAN Mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 5800U, 5 5500U or 5600U/5625U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->M.2 and 2.5in sata | <!--Gfx-->Vega 7 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->2 GbE ports | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - plastic build - 90w usb-c power - loud at 25W setting - |- | <!--Name-->Topton FU02 Fanless Mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 4700U 5600U 5800U 8 Core 16 Threads | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe and 2.5in sata | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->4 3.0 with 2 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->2 x 1G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64 - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - fanless with copper cube from cpu to metal sheet which gets warm |- | <!--Name-->Xuu XR1 Lite (5300u 4c 8t) PRO 5400U MAX 5600U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 NVMe 2242 slot | <!--Gfx-->Vega 6 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->2 3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64 quiet fan - very small case no expansions - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->MINISFORUM UM690 Venus Series | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->pcie4 nvme 2280 and 1 sata3 2.5in | <!--Gfx-->680m RNDA2 12CU with 2 hdmi | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|1 USB4 and 2 USB3.2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|2.5G LAN}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 6900hx 8C16T - 2 ddr5 sodimmm - 19v ???W - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink Mini PC GTR6 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->PCIe4 | <!--Gfx-->AMD 680M RDNA2 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->USB3.2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 2.5GbE or intel i225}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit Ryzen 9 6900HX Zen3+ and a 2gb Radeon 680m 12CU ddr5 sodimm - 19v 120w psu - |- | <!--Name-->Asus PN53, Geekom AS 6, | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->pcie gen4 nvme and ata 2.5in | <!--Gfx-->680m RNDA2 12CU with 2 hdmi and 1 dp | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|2 usb-c, 2 USB2.1 and 3 USB3.2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|1G LAN}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 6900hx 8C 16T - 2 slots ddr5 sodimmm (64Gb max) - 19v 120W - 4 retained base screws beware ribbon cable - |- | <!--Name-->Micro Computer (HK) Tech Ltd MinisForum UM773 Lite later UM750L slim, GMKtec K2 Mini PC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe PCIe4.0 | <!--Gfx-->RDNA | <!--Audio-->HD Audio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->2.5GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2023 2025 64bit - AMD Zen 3+ (8c 16t) Ryzen 7 7735HS, 7840HS and AMD Ryzen 9 7845HX AMD Ryzen™5 7545U (6c12t) - 19v up to 120w ac adapter - ddr5 sodimm 4800Mhz - |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.asrockind.com/en-gb/4x4 ASrock 4x4 SBC] | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->sata or nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega or 680M | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 or USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 1GbE or intel 2.5GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink Mini PC GTR7 SER7 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->PCIe4 nvme 2280 up to 2Tb | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M RDNA3 GPU output on hdmi and dp | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3.2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|1 or 2 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2023 64bit AMD Phoenix APUs Zen 4 CPU Ryzen 7 7840HS or 9 7940HS (8c 16t) - 19v 5.26A 120w psu - del dios setup f7 choose boot - 2 usb-c on back - up to 64gb via 2 ddr5 sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->MINISFORUM BD770i Ryzen 7 7745HX (8c16t) or BD795i SE 790i 9 7945HX (16c32t) or F1FXM_MB_V1.1 795M LGA1700 mATX | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 610m over usb-c, dp or hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 with 2 rear USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 2.5G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Opinion-->2024 mini-ITX M/B is the first MoDT (Mobile on Desktop) with soldered AMD CPU - 2 dual PCIe4.0 M.2 slots - 2 ddr5 sodimm slots max 5200Mhz - 8pin cpu power - battery not easily replaceable underneath - |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum ms-a1 MS-a2 * 5700G to 8700G apu * 9955HX | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 610M | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->dual 2.5GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2024 64bit - 19v ?A round barrel jack - 2 ddr5 so-dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->AOOSTAR GT68 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Nvme | <!--Gfx-->680m | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->2 2.5Gb | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 Ryzen7 Pro 6850H, |- | <!--Name-->NextSBC 7840HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M 12CU | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->USB4 and USB 3.2 | <!--Ethernet-->2 GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - 32Gb soldered - |- | <!--Name-->Firebat A6 R7 6800H | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 680M | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum UM760 7640HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 760 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 and 2.5Gb | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Peladn WO4 Mini PC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 760 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit 7640HS - 19v 5.26A 120W - |- | <!--Name-->BossGame M4 Neo 7840HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum UM870 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M || <!--Audio-->HDaudio || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->2.5GbE || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->GEEKOM A8 Max AI Mini PC AMD Ryzen™ 9 8945HS, Ryzen™ 7 8845HS or 8745HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe| USB4}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Dual 2.5 G Ethernet ports}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink SER 9 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVme | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 890M | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - Ryzen AI HX 370 strix point - |- | <!--Name-->GMKtec EVO-X2 mini pc | <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 8060S iGPU RDNA3.5 RADV GFX1151 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - amd ryzen AI Max+ 395 (16c32t) strix halo - |- | <!--Name-->BosGame M5 | <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 8060S iGPU RDNA3.5 RADV GFX1151 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - amd ryzen AI Max+ 395 (16c32t) - |- | <!--Name-->Steam Machine GabeCube | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->semi-custom 1080p amd 7600m like with 28cu 8gb ddr6 gddr 10GFlops | <!--Audio-->hdaudio with codec | <!--USB-->usb3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2026 64bit amd 1772 hawk point2 6c12t zen4 avx512 FP7 socket with FCH51 - 16gb ddr5 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |} ===Server Systems=== [[#top|...to the top]] ====IBM==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="15%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->xSeries 206m | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ATI RN50b (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{n/a}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0 (UHCI/EHCI)}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2014-09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ===Motherboard=== [[#top|...to the top]] * Late 2002, USB2.0 added and slightly better AROS sound support (AC97) appeared * 2002-2005 and still, to a limited extent, ongoing [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague bad capacitors] * Late 2003, ATX PSUs moved from 5V to 12v rails (extra 4pin on motherboard for CPU) * Late 2005, PCI Express replaced AGP and HDAudio replaced AC97 * Late 2007, ATX PSUs added extra 12V PCI-E connectors and 4+4pin for CPUs * Late 2010, USB3.0 appears on motherboards or needing a PCI-E motherboard slot * Late 2014 Hardware USB2 removed from USB3 chipsets ====AMD Sockets==== [[#top|...to the top]] =====Socket 7 (1997/1999)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->1997 VT82C586B (QFP-208) is the first from VIA with DDMA |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2000 VT82C686 has close to excellent DDMA support |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->SiS 5581/5582 SiS 5591/5595 SiS 530 /5595 SiS 600/5595 SiS 620/5595 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket A 462 (2001/4)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/motherboards/article.php/2217921/ABIT-NF7-S-nForce2-Motherboard-Review.htm Abit NF7-S] | <!--Chipset-->nForce 2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->SIL 3112A | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650 AC97 (Nvidia APU)}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL 8201LB | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Realtek RTL8801B |- | <!--Name-->ASRock K7NF2 | <!--Chipset-->nforce2 ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|AGP 8x}} | <!--Audio-->CMedia CMI 9761A AC'97 | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8201 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock K7S8X | <!--Chipset-->SIS 746FX | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|AGP 8x}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC'97 cmedia}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB2.0 works but does not boot}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|SiS900}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock K7S41GX | <!--Chipset-->SIS 741GX + DDR 333 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|onboard sis does not work with vga or vesa but AGP 8x works}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 SIS 7012}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB2.0 works but does not boot}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|SiS 900}} | <!--Opinion-->works ok |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.asus.com ASUS A7N8X] | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->Silicon Image Sil 3112A | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ac97 ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|ehci USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8201BL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->first total support for AROS in 2004/5 - damocles and M Schulz |- | <!--Name-->Biostar M7NCD | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650 AC97}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8201BL}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Chaintech 7NJS Ultra Zenith | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Promise PDC 20376 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|CMI8738}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->DFI Lanparty NF2 Ultra | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|via ac97 VT1616}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8139C | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ECS N2U400-A | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|Cmedia 9379A AC97}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|usb2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|VIA VT6103L}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA7N400L | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP 8x slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 ALC650}} | <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8100C | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.gigabyte.lv/products/page/mb/ga-8siml Gigabyte 8SIML] | <!--Chipset-->SIS 650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC'97}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|working}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Realtek RTL8100L LAN}} | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Matsonic [http://www.elhvb.com/mobokive/archive/matsonic/manual/index.html Manuals] MS83708E | <!--Chipset-->SIS730 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|SiS 5513}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|sis 305 no support use VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|sis7018}} | <!--USB-->{{no|SiS 7001 USB 1.1 only}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|SIS900}} | <!--Opinion-->little support |- | <!--Name-->[http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=bph07585&lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&dest_page=softwareCategory&os=228&tool=softwareCategory&query=Pavilion%20742n&product=89232 MSI MS-6367 HP 722n 742n (Mambo) (2001/2)] | <!--Chipset-->Nvidia nforce 220D (2001/2) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->GeForce2 AGP works 2D nouveau only | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|AC97 ADI 1885 no volume control on Units 0-3}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 USB1.1 ports AMD based - front 2 ports iffy}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|nForce}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested 20th Aug 2012 NB |- | <!--Name-->MSI K7N2 [http://us.msi.com/index.php?func=proddesc&maincat_no=1&prod_no=546/ Delta ILSR] Delta-L | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 (2002/3) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|Primary & Secondary ports}} IDE Tertiary port (RAID) | <!--SATA-->2 ports (RAID) | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|when fitted with an agp video card}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ac97 ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8201BL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->runs AROS well. Tested with Icaros 1.2.3 |- | <!--Name-->MSI K7N2 Delta2-LSR Platinum | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 (2002/3) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|Primary & Secondary ports}} IDE Tertiary port (RAID) | <!--SATA-->2 ports (RAID) | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|when fitted with an agp video card}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|ac97 ALC655}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8201BL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->runs AROS well. Tested with Icaros 1.2.3 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/motherboards/article.php/2204281/Soltek-SL-75MRN-L-nForce2-Motherboard-Review.htm Soltek 75FRN-L] | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|2 ports}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->AGP slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 usb2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek RTL8201BL}} | <!--Opinion-->good support |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.3dvelocity.com/reviews/mach4nf2ultra/mach4.htm XFX Pine Mach4 nForce2 Ultra 400] | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|3 ports}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2 ports VIA VT6240}} | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP 8x slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8201BL}} | <!--Opinion-->some support |- | <!--Name-->ASUS A7V266 | <!--Chipset-->via KT266A + 8233 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{no|issues}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot | <!--Audio-->AC97 with AD1980 codec | <!--USB-->via 8233 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6103 | <!--Opinion-->2002 issues with booting |- | <!--Name-->Asus A7V8X-X | <!--Chipset-->VIA KT400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{unk| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|agp}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 with ADI AD1980 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|VIA 8235}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|Realtek 10/100}} | <!--Opinion-->2003 not booting for Socket A for AMD Barton/Thoroughbred/Athlon XP/Athlon/Duron 2.25+ GHz CPU - 3 x DDR DIMM Sockets Max. 3 GB - |- |} =====Socket 754 (2004/5)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Abit NF8-V2 | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 250GB (2004/5) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|2 ports}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2 ports}} | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot x8 | <!--Audio-->ALC658 ac97 | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8201C}} | <!--Opinion-->a little support but no Firewire VIA VT6306 |- | <!--Name-->Biostar CK8 K8HNA Pro | <!--Chipset-->nforce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->VT6420 thru ide legacy only | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 ALC655}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8110S | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VT6307 no |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.extremeoverclocking.com/reviews/motherboards/Chaintech_ZNF3-150_3.html Chaintech ZNF3-150 Zenith] | <!--Chipset-->nforce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|Sli3114 SATA via IDE emul}} | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot | <!--Audio-->{{no|VIA Envy24PT (VT1720) + VT1616}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom GbE 5788}} | <!--Opinion-->very little support needs PCI cards but no Firewire VIA VT6306 |- | <!--Name-->DFI Lanparty UT nF3 250GB | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 250gb | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2 ports nForce3 and 2 Marvell SATA PHY}} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 ALC850}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->CK8S - Winfast NF3 250K8AA works and Marvell 88E1111 does not work | <!--Opinion-->2005 some support but no Firewire VIA VT6307 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-K8N | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA nForce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC658 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8100C | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TI43AB23 no |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte K8NNXP | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Sata sil3512 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC658 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTl8110S | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TI STB82AA2 no |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-K8NSNXP | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 250GB | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->SiI 3512 CT128 Sata Sil3515 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC850 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvel 88E8001}} | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->MSI K8N Neo-FIS2R | <!--Chipset-->nVIDIA NF3-250Gb | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Realtek 7.1 AC'97 ALC850 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E1111}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->[http://techreport.com/articles.x/5748/1 Shuttle AN50R] | <!--Chipset-->nF3-150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Sil 3112 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC650 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia nF3 (10/100) Intel 82540EM Gigabit | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VT6307 no |- | <!--Name--> Foxconn WinFast K8S755A | <!--Chipset-->SiS755 + SiS964 (DDR333) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> {{yes|AC97}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|RTL8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket 939 (2005)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus A8N-LA GeForce 6150 LE | <!--Chipset-->Geforce 6150 (MCP51) + nForce 430 (PC-3200) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|two ATA 133}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|four 3.0GB/s SATAII ports}} | <!--Gfx-->built in or PCI-E x16 | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC883 HD Audio | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL 8201CL | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus A8N-SLI Premium | <!--Chipset-->NVidia | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|PCIe slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|nForce LAN but not Marvell}} | <!--Opinion-->Works well |- | <!--Name-->DFI nF4 Ultra-D LanParty - Diamond Flower International sold to BenQ group 2010 | <!--Chipset-->nF4 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->4 ports SATA 2 | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe x16 slots | <!--Audio-->AC97 with ALC850 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Dual Gigabit Ethernet, PCIe by Vitesse VSC8201 PHY nee Cicada 8201, PCI by Marvel 88E8001 | <!--Opinion-->2006 64bit - Four 184-pin DDR Dual-Channel Slots - 1 pci on Ultra, 2 pci on sli, |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus A8V E SE | <!--Chipset-->VIA K8T890 +VT8237R CHIPSET ATX AMD Motherboard with Athlon 64 X2 / Athlon 64 FX / Athlon 64 | <!--ACPI-->{{N/A}} | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{N/A}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe}} AC97 driver using Realtek ALC850 codec | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} USB 2.0 only | <!--Ethernet-->{{No}} Marvell 88E8053 | <!--Opinion-->Good base but needs additional PCI cards added for better support |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS A8V Deluxe (2004) | <!--Chipset-->VIA K8T800 Pro (DDR400) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->Promise 20378 2 ports | <!--SATA-->2 SATA2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|VIA VT8233A 8235 8237 AC97}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Marvell 88E8001 Gigabit}} | <!--Opinion-->needs extra PCI cards |- |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->AsRock 939Dual-SATA2 | <!--Chipset-->Ali Uli M1695 PCIe with M1567 AGP | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->1 Sata with JMicron JMB360 chip | <!--Gfx-->1 pci-e and 1 agp | <!--Audio-->AC97 with ALC850 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8201CL PHY ULi 10/100 | <!--Opinion-->64bit pci-e and agp combo on board - 4 ddr slots - |} =====Socket AM2 (2006/8) and AM2+ (2007-2010) ===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M61PME-S2 (rev. 2.x) | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA® GeForce 6100 / nForce 430 chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d for vga}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio Realtek ALC662 Audio Codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M2N61-AR mini itx | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA nForce 430 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 | <!--SATA-->2 | <!--Gfx-->GeForce 6150SE via vga or 1 pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->Nvidia | <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia | <!--Opinion-->2006 32bit - 1 pci - 2 ddr2 dimm slots non-eec - |- | <!--Name-->asus m2n68-am se2 | <!--Chipset-->nvidia 630a 630/a MCP68SE | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 ports | <!--SATA-->2 ports MCP61 chipset is SATA over IDE, not SATA over AHCI and reports subsystem as 0x1 IDE, not 0x6 SATA | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|nvidia 7025 2d and 3d thru vga}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|hd audio with realtek alc662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|nForce chipset RTL 8201CP}} | <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit Phenom IIX2, Athlon 64 LE X2, Sempron, and Phenom FX processors - ddr2 667Mhz ram max 4Gb - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-MA770-UD3 (rev. 1.0) | <!--Chipset-->AMD 770 with SB700 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888 codec }} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111C later 8111D}} | <!--Opinion-->Good support for AM2+ / AM2 with 4 ddr2 ram - 4 x PCI Express x1, 2 x PCI slots - firewire T.I. TSB43AB23 chip no support - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M3A32-MVP Deluxe | <!--Chipset-->AMD 790FX RD790 + SB600 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{No|Marvell 88SE6121 SATA II}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 1.1 support | <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio ADI® AD1988}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8056}} | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASROCK N68-S N68C-S | <!--Chipset-->AMD based nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|slimline DVD drive works}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GF 7025 use vesa}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio for VIA 1708S VT1705}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|echi usb 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8201EL / 8201CL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->2008 unbuffered 1066Mhz ddr2 ram - N68C-S may need noacpi added to grub boot line to disable pci temporarily to run as it cannot get to [PCI] Everything OK - |- | <!--Name-->Asus M2N68-AM Plus | <!--Chipset-->Athlon 64, Sempron, Athlon 64 X2, Athlon 64 FX with nvidia 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->no vga, pci-e slot only | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8211CL Gigabit LAN}} | <!--Opinion-->adding "noacpi noapic noioapic" to the GRUB options - Dual channel DDR2 1066, 800, 667 MHz - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M68M-S2 (1.0) S2P (2.3) S2L GA-M68SM-S2 (1.x) | <!--Chipset-->nForce 630a chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025, vga (s2 and s2p), dvi (s2l) | <!--Audio-->ALC883 (S2), ALC888B (S2P), ALC662 (S2L), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8201CL (S2), 8211CL (S2P), 8211BL (S2L), | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit possible with AMD AM2+ CPU on AM2 motherboard, the system bus speed will downgrade from HT3.0(5200MHz) to HT1.0(2000 MT/s) spec |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M2N68-VM | <!--Chipset-->nForce 630a (MCP68PVNT) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Nvidia GeForce ® 7050PV hdmi, dvi and vga | <!--Audio-->HD audio VIA 1708B codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8211C | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit - ddr2 800Mhz |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket AM3 White socket (2010/11)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-MA74GM-S2 GA-MA74GM-S2H | <!--Chipset-->740g with sb710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|bios IDE}} | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 2100 and pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->ALC888 (r1.x),ALC888b (r2.0), ALC888B (rev4.x) | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8111C later 8111D | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - 2 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets max 8 GB - Micro ATX Form Factor 24.4cm x 23.4cm - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.vesalia.de/e_aresone2011.htm Aresone 2011] | <!--Chipset-->760g | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|no Radeon HD3000 driver yet<br>vesa driver works<br>and add PCIe card}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes}} | <!--Opinion-->Good support - 4 DDR3 memory sockets - |- | <!--Name-->Foxconn A76ML-K 3.0 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760g rev3.0 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|1 }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|4 in IDE mode }} | <!--Gfx-->HD3000 with pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC662-GR codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit - 2 ddr3 slots - 2 pci slots - |- | <!--Name-->GA-MA770T-UD3P (rev. 1.0 to 1.4) | <!--Chipset-->amd 770 with sb710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|4 sata}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio with Realtek ALC888 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8168 rtl8111c/d}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 64 - 4 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-MA770-UD3 (rev. 2.0 2.1) | <!--Chipset-->AMD 770 with SB700 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888 codec }} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111C later 8111D}} | <!--Opinion-->Good support for AM3 with 4 ddr2 ram - 4 x PCI Express x1, 2 x PCI slots - firewire T.I. TSB43AB23 chip no support - |- | <!--Name-->Asus M4A785TD-M PRO | <!--Chipset-->785G and SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|ide legacy}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ATI Radeon HD 4200 - use vesa}} or pci-e 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Opinion-->Good support with 1366 ddr3 ram - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M4A88T-I Deluxe ITX | <!--Chipset-->AMD 880G with AMD SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Three SATA 3Gbps | <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 4350 GPU with HDMI and DVI or One 16x PCI-Express 2.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC889 | <!--USB-->6 x USB 2, 2 x USB 3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek RTL8112L}} | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit - 2 SODIMM DDR3 slots max 8GB |- | <!--Name-->Asus M4A88T-M Version E5907 E5826 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 880G SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 4250 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA VT 1708S codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek rtl8169 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->GigaByte 890GPA-UD3H | <!--Chipset-->AMD 890GX together with SB850 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Yes | <!--Gfx-->use pci-e nvidia | <!--Audio-->Maybe - ALC892 rev. 1.0, ALC892 rev 2.1, ALC889 rev. 3.1 | <!--USB-->Yes | <!--Ethernet-->Yes | <!--Opinion-->works well overall |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-890FXA-UD7 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 890FX with SB850 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC889 (rev 2.x) | <!--USB-->{{Yes|AMD USB2 but limited with NEC D720200F1 USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->2 x Realtek 8111D | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - XL-ATX Form Factor 32.5cm x 24.4cm - 4 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 890GXM-G65 | <!--Chipset-->890GX + SB750 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|legacy}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ATI 4290 built-in (vesa)}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC889 DD GR}} HD Audio crackles | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock N68-VS3 FX | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 Sata2 | <!--Gfx-->Integrated NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA® VT1705 Codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek PHY RTL8201EL | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - 2 x DDR3 DIMM slots - |- | <!--Name-->MSI GF615M-P35 MS-7597 | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA® nForce 430 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->GeForce 6150SE | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with Realtek® ALC888S}} | <!--USB-->{{No|freezes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 8211CL}} | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M68MT-S2 | <!--Chipset--> nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 vga | <!--Audio-->ALC888B (1.3), ACL887 (3.1), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8211CL (all) | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit possible, AMD AM3 CPU on this motherboard, the system bus speed will downgrade from HT3.0 (5200MT/s) to HT1.0 (2000 MT/s) spec |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M68MT-S2P | <!--Chipset--> nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 vga | <!--Audio-->ALC888B (1.x 2.x), ALC889 (3.0), ALC888B/889 (3.1), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8211CL (all) | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M4N78 PRO | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA GeForce 8300 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 xUltraDMA 133/100 | <!--SATA-->6 xSATA 3 Gbit/s ports | <!--Gfx-->Integrated NVIDIA® GeForce® 8 series GPU with 1 PCIe 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA1708S 8 -Channel codec | <!--USB-->12 USB 2.0 ports (8 ports at mid-board, 4 ports at back panel) | <!--Ethernet-->NVIDIA Gigabit | <!--Opinion-->4 x DIMM, Max. 16 GB, DDR2 1200(O.C.)/1066*/800/667 ECC,Non-ECC,Un-buffered Memory - ATX Form Factor 12 inch x 9.6 inch ( 30.5 cm x 24.4 cm ) - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket AM3+ Black socket (2012/15)===== *095W FX-6300 FD6300WMHKBOX (bulldozer SSE4.1 AVX) 970 mobos with FX-8320E 8core Black Editions FD832EWMHKBOX FX-8370E (Vishera/Piledriver) *125W FX-6310 (bulldozer) 970 mobos with FX-8320 FX-8350 FX-8370 (Vishera/Piledriver) *220W 990FX mobos with FX-9000 FX-9370 FX-9590 {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M5A78L-M LX3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760G with SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|bios IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->HD3000 with pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC887, V? ALC892 codecs | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros 8161/8171 add realtek 8111? pci-e card}} | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - uATX Form Factor 9.6 inch x 7.4 inch ( 24.4 cm x 18.8 cm ) - 2 x DIMM, Max. 16GB, DDR3 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2P | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760G and SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|6 SATA2 ports}} | <!--Gfx-->GT240 and a nv7900gs, both pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC889 (r3.1), ALC??? (rev. 4.0), ALC887 (r5.x)}} | <!--USB-->4 USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek 8111E (r3.1), Atheros (rev4.0), Atheros (r5.x) }} | <!--Opinion-->2012 offers very poor control over its EFI vs. BIOS booting partition features |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 (r3.0), (r4.1 Blue board), (r5.0 dark board), (rev6 dark mobo) | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760G and SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|Bios IDE mode for SATA2 on early ones}} | <!--Gfx-->AMD HD3000, pci-e GT240 and a nv7900gs | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC??? (r3.0), ALC887 (r4.1), VIA VT2021 (r5.0), Realtek® ALC892 codec (rev6) }} | <!--USB-->{{yes|AMD USB2 but not VIA® VL805 USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit - Micro ATX Form Factor 24.4cm x 24.4cm - 4 x DDR3 DIMM sockets - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 760GM | <!--Chipset-->ATI 760G plus SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->HD3000 Use Vesa | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|P33 VT1705; P34, P21 and P23 (FX) MS7641 v3.0 ALC887, E51 ALC892}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Opinion-->P23 issues with audio ALC887 crackles thru earphones - |- | <!--Name-->Gigayte GA-MA770T-UD3P (rev. 3.1) | <!--Chipset-->amd 770 with sb710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with Realtek ALC888/892 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111d/e | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASRock 890FX Deluxe5 Extreme3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 890FX + AMD SB850 or SB950 (Extreme3) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{N/A}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC892}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8111E rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M5A97 R2.0 EVO | <!--Chipset-->AMD 970 and SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Asmedia SATA Controller | <!--Gfx-->n/a | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC887 (LE), ALC887 (Regular), ALC892 (EVO) codec | <!--USB-->4 USB 2.0 and 2 Asmedia USB3.0 Controller | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111F | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-970A-D3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 970 with SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio--> ALC??? (rev. 1.0/1.1), ALC887 (rev1.2), VIA VT2021 codec (rev 1.3 1.4 and rev3.0) | <!--USB-->{{yes|AMD USB2 but not Etron EJ168 chip (USB3)}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE 8111E (all revisions), | <!--Opinion-->2015 64bit - ATX Form Factor 30.5cm x 22.4cm - 4 x 1.5V DDR3 DIMM sockets - |- | <!--Name-->MSI 970 Gaming | <!--Chipset-->970FX SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC1150 Codec | <!--USB-->6 usb2 with 2 USB3 VIA VL806 Chipset | <!--Ethernet-->Killer E2205 Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M5A99X EVO | <!--Chipset-->990X - RD980 with SB920 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->2 pci-e gen ? | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC892 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 realtek 8111e | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-990XA-UD3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 990 with SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC889 (rev 1.x, 3.0, 3.1), | <!--USB-->{{yes|AMD USB2 not 2 x Etron EJ168 chips for USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->realtek rtl8169 8111e | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - ATX Form Factor; 30.5cm x 24.4cm - 4 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====AMD Fusion (2011/14)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | 1.2GHz single Bobcat Fusion C30 + Hudson M1 | ACPI | IDE | SATA | AMD 6250 | Audio | USB | Ethernet | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | Asus E35M1-M PRO uATX | 1.6GHz 18W AMD Fusion E-350 dual core + Hudson M1 | ACPI | {{N/A}} | SATA | AMD 6310 - no HD driver yet | ALC887 VD2 | USB | RTL8111E | 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - EFI bios [http://www.anandtech.com/show/4023/the-brazos-performance-preview-amd-e350-benchmarked] |- | Asus E35M1-I Deluxe miniITX | 1.6GHz dual AMD Fusion E350 + Hudson M1 + DDR3 | ACPI | {{N/A}} | SATA | AMD 6310 - no HD driver yet | ALC892 | USB | Realtek 8111E | 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - no support for Atheros AR5008 on a Mini PCI-E |- | ASRock E350M1 / USB3 (also version with USB3.0 added) | 1.6GHz dual AMD Fusion E350 + Hudson M1 | ACPI | {{N/A}} | SATA - 4 SATA3 | {{Maybe|AMD 6310 - use vesa with hdmi and dvi}} | {{Yes|Audio ALC892 playback but no HDMI output}} | USB - 4 USB2.0 and 2 USB3.0 | {{Yes|rtl8169 for Realtek 8111E 8411 ethernet chipset}} | 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-E350N-USB3 mini-ITX | <!--Chipset--> Hudson M1 FCH | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 SATA3 | <!--Gfx--> plus HDMI, DVI | <!--Audio-->ALC892 | <!--USB-->2 NEC USB3.0 with 4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-E350N Win8 V1.0 | <!--Chipset-->Hudson M1 FCH A45 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 SATA3 | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Use VESA - AMD 6310 plus HDMI, DVI}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC887 playback through headphones but not thru hdmi}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|4 USB2.0 needs more testing}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8111 8168B}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - works well but need to test with sata hard disk |- | <!--Name-->MSI E350IA-E45 | <!--Chipset-->e-350 + Hudson M1 + DDR3 | <!--ACPI-->no support | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 Sata3 ports | <!--Gfx-->AMD 6310 gpu | <!--Audio-->ALC HDA | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 and 2 USB3.0 through NEC 720200 chipset | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS E45M1-M PRO | <!--Chipset-->E450 APU with Hudson M1 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS E45M1-I Deluxe | <!--Chipset-->E-450 together | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket FM1 (2011/13)===== On board Graphic on CPU - HD6410D, HD6530D, HD6550D, {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS F1A55-M LE | <!--Chipset--> with AMD A55 FCH (Hudson D2) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->6 x SATA 3Gbit/s port(s), blue Support Raid 0, 1, 10, JBOD | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 2.0 slot or Integrated AMD Radeon™ HD 6000 in Llano APU | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC887 Audio CODEC | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 ports | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E rtl8169 | <!--Opinion-->2012 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - A-Series/E2- Series APUs up to 4 cores - 2 x DIMM, Max. 32GB, DDR3 2250(O.C.)/1866/1600/1333/1066 MHz Non-ECC, Un-buffered Memory Dual Channel Memory Architecture - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket FM2 White Socket (2012/13)===== Onboard Gfx on CPU - HD6570, HD7480D, HD7540D, {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A75 A85X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket FM2 Plus Black socket (2013/15)===== Onboard Gfx on CPU - HD6570, HD7480D, HD7540D, {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A88X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket AM1 FS1b socket (2014/1x)===== 5350 4 core Jaguar cores 2GHz with Integrated AMD Radeon R Series Graphics in the APU Kabini [Radeon HD 8400] Later Beema APU with 2/4 core Puma (slightly updated Jaguar) cores, GCN graphics and a compute capable Radeon core, along with a brand new AMD security processor and FT3 BGA packaging (probably best avoided for long term survival). {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS AM1I-A | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek® ALC887-VD | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111GR 8168 | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit may support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->MSI AM1I | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111G | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI AM1M | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111G | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->BGA FT3 AM1x |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket AM4 FM3 Summit Ridge Zen Zen+ (2016/22)===== Jim Keller’s group designed x86 Zen CPU - new and covering the same AM4 platform/socket for desktop Zen will also shift from Bulldozer’s Clustered Multithreading (CMT) to Simultaneous Multithreading (SMT, aka Intel’s Hyperthreading). CMT is the basis for Bulldozer’s unusual combination of multiple integer cores sharing a single FPU within a module, so the move to SMT is a more “traditional” design for improving resource usage Trusted Platform Module, or fTPM, that Windows 11 requires. Ryzen processors using a firmware TPM are causing stutters, even when doing mundane tasks. To enable TPM 2.0 on your AMD system please follow the steps below. <pre> Power on system and press DEL or F2 to get into the BIOS. Navigate to Advanced\CPU Configuration. Enable AMD fTPM switch. Press F10 to save changes. </pre> {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Crosshair VI Hero | <!--Chipset-->X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 (1x16 or 2x8) | <!--Audio-->SupremeFX audio features an S1220 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel I211 | <!--Opinion-->Ryzen 7 1800X 1700X |- | <!--Name-->Biostar X370gtn Itx Am4 | <!--Chipset-->AMD X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek Dragon LAN RTL8118AS | <!--Opinion--> 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-AX370 K7 | <!--Chipset--> X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with 2 x Realtek® ALC1220 codec 0x10EC, 0x0295 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->1 intel and 1 E2500 | <!--Opinion--> 4 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->MSI Xpower Gaming Titanium | <!--Chipset--> X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->8-channel Realtek 1220 Codec 0x10EC, 0x0295 | <!--USB-->ASMedia® ASM2142 and amd cpu | <!--Ethernet-->1 x Intel® I211AT Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion--> 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Prime B350 Plus ATX | <!--Chipset-->B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 (x16 mode) | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC887 8-Channel | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->Ryzen 5 1600x 1600 1500X 1400 - 4 x DIMM Max 64GB, DDR4 up to 2666MHz ECC and non-ECC Memory - ATX 12 inch x 9.35 inch ( 30.5 cm x 23.7 cm ) - 2 pci |- | <!--Name-->Asus PRIME B350M-A/CSM Micro ATX | <!--Chipset-->AMD B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek LAN | <!--Opinion-->Ryzen 3 1300x 1200 1100 |- | <!--Name-->AsRock Pro4 AB350 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe 3.0 x16, 4 PCIe 2.0 x1 | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->2017 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock AB350 Gaming-ITX/ac | <!--Chipset--> B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B350 Tomahawk Arctic Mortar | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->1 x PCIe 3.0 x16 (x16 mode) | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->white and grey colours - 2 pci-e and 2 pci slots - m.2 in middle - atx 12 in by 9.6 in and matx versions - |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue M-ATX B350M-TI | <!--Chipset-->B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue B350I-Plus ITX | <!--Chipset-->B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock A320M-ITX MINI ITX Rev1.0 Rev2 Rev2.1 | <!--Chipset-->A320 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2018 |- | <!--Name-->Asus PRIME A320M-C R2.0 rev1.1 A320M-K | <!--Chipset-->A320 A/B300 SFF | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HD audio with Realtek ALC887 alc897 CODEC | <!--USB-->2 usb 3.1 gen 1 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2019 64bit - 3rd/2nd/1st Gen AMD Ryzen™ / 2nd and 1st Gen AMD Ryzen™ with Radeon™ Vega |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI A320M-A PRO MicroATX | <!--Chipset-->AMD A320 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio Realtek® ALC892 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 8111H | <!--Opinion-->2019 64bit - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG X399 Zenith Extreme | <!--Chipset-->AMD X399 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> supremefx s1220 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Opinion-->Threadripper 1950X 1920X 1900X TR4 skt |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->AsRock Fatality X470 Gaming K4 mATX | <!--Chipset-->X470 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->pci-e rebar possible | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asrock Fatal1ty X470 Gaming-ITXac AMD AM4 | <!--Chipset-->AMD X470 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS ROG STRIX X470-I GAMING AM4 ITX Motherboard | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus B450-I Gaming | <!--Chipset-->AMD B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->high VRM temps - raven ridge 14nm+ like 2200G 2400G |- | <!--Name-->AsRock B450 Gaming K4 | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> alc892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> 4 ddr4 slots - low VRM thermals 3900x 3950x |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte B450 I Aorus Pro Wifi | <!--Chipset-->AMD B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 nvme pcie3 with 4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pcie | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek® ALC1220-VB codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Opinion-->very high vrm temps |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue B450i Gaming ITX | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata3 - none nvme | <!--Gfx-->pcie3 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->1G | <!--Opinion-->2021 64 2nd 3rd AMD - 2 ddr4 dimm slots |- | <!--Name-->MSI b450 tomahawk max | <!--Chipset--> b450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{n/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HD audio with Realtek® ALC892 Codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111H | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450 Pro Carbon | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> ALC codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450-A PRO | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111h | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450I GAMING Plus AC ITX | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2019 - 2nd and 3rd gen AMD - 2 ddr4 slots - |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450 GAMING PLUS MAX | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek® ALC892/ALC897 Codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111H | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MAXSUN AMD Challenger B450M M-ATX (aka Soyo) | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASRock X570 PHANTOM GAMING-ITX/TB3 Mini ITX AM4 | <!--Chipset-->X570 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 4.0 | <!--Audio--> ALC1200 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Crosshair VIII Dark Hero | <!--Chipset-->AMD X570 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> SupremeFX7.1 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel® I211-AT and Realtek® RTL8125-CG 2.5G LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Strix X570-I Gaming Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI MPG X570 Gaming Plus | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> alc1220 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Strix B550-i AM4 ITX Motherboard | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 - |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue Jingyue B550i Gaming itx | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->3 with 1 nvme | <!--Gfx-->1 pci-e 4 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio alc | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->1G | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit max of Ryzen 5500 (c t), 5600, 5600g (6c12t) - 2 ddr4 |- | <!--Name-->Asrock B550 PHANTOM GAMING ITX/AX | <!--Chipset-->AMD B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> alc1220 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel 2.5G | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->AsRock B550M-ITX/ac | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> Realtek ALC887/897 Audio Codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion-->2022 - 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG STRIX B550-A GAMING | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->PCIe Gen4 x4 & SATA3 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 4 | <!--Audio--> supremefx S1220A | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel® I225-V 2.5Gb | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte AMD B550I AORUS PRO AX Mini-ITX rev 1.0 | <!--Chipset-->AMD B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme pci-e3 with 4 sata3 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC1220-VB codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 2.5GbE LAN | <!--Opinion-->2021 2 x DDR4 DIMM sockets 1Rx8/2Rx8/1Rx16 - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte B550 AORUS ELITE AX V2 ATX | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 DP and hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC1200 | <!--USB-->USB3 USB 3.2 Gen1 Type-C | <!--Ethernet-->2.5GbE LAN | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit- finer tuning than A520's - AMD Ryzen 5000 Series/ 3rd Gen Ryzen and 3rd Gen Ryzen with Radeon Graphics CPU - Dual Channel ECC/ Non-ECC Unbuffered DDR4, 4 DIMMs - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte B550M DS3H mATX | <!--Chipset--> B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio ALC887 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->realtek rtl8118 | <!--Opinion-->2021 64bit - 4 ddr4 dimms - |- | <!--Name-->MSI MPG B550 GAMING PLUS ATX | <!--Chipset--> B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC892 | <!--USB-->USB 3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8111H | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen Processors - 4 dimm ddr4 - |- | <!--Name-->MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK ATX | <!--Chipset--> B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe 1 x M.2, Socket 3, M Key (up to Type 22110) and 1 x M.2, Socket 3, M Key (Type 2242/2260/2280) | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 with dp and hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDaudio ALC1200 | <!--USB-->USB3 1 x USB 3.1 Type-C and 1 x USB 3.1 Type-A | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8125B and Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - 4 Dimm slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue A520M-H mATX | <!--Chipset-->A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> old bios with random issues with APU ryzens - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte A520M S2H mATX | <!--Chipset-->AMD A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 1GbE | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit Zen3 65W and up - 2 ddr4 - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte A520I AC mITX mini-itx | <!--Chipset-->AMD A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit Zen3 65W and up 5600G (6c12t) or 5700G (8c16t) - 2 ddr4 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->MSI A520M-A PRO mATX | <!--Chipset-->A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe 1 x M.2, Socket 3, M Key (Type 2242/2260/2280) | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC892 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111H | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - 2 ddr4 dimm slots - 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen Desktop and AMD Ryzen 4000 G-Series CPU |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} ===== (Socket AM5 LGA1718 Zen4 Zen5 Zen6 2022/27)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asrock Steel Legend | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e rnda2 | <!--Audio-->HD audio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - ddr5 ecc (10 chip) and non-ecc (8 chips) 64Gb @ 6000Mhz or 128GB @ 4800Mhz - |- | <!--Name-->Asrock TaiChi | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e rnda2 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio | <!--USB-->USB4 with Thunderbolt 4 equivalent | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek killer E3000 2.5GbE}} | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - ddr5 ecc (10 chip) and non-ecc (8 chips) |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Crosshair Hero | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe rnda2 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->rnda3 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit 7950x3d 120W, 7900 7800 7600 90W |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->rnda3 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus B650E-I | <!--Chipset-->B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 5 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 - better sound with an actual AMP, PCIe 5, USB-C display outs - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x650 B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x650 B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x650 B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MAXSUN AMD Challenger B650M WIFI M-ATX (aka Soyo) | <!--Chipset-->B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI b650i mini itx | <!--Chipset-->B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 4 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->2023 - front panel connectors at the back of the board - dead rear nvme slot and a drained CMOS battery as the CMOS button being pressed during shipping - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M Zen4 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> Zen5 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> Zen6 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--ACPI--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Opinion-->2026 FP8 Zen 6 Medusa Point 4bigC, 4 econC, 2lpC, 8coreGPU - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--ACPI--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Opinion-->2026 FP10 Zen 6 Medusa Point 4bigC, 4 econC, 2lpC, 8coreGPU - |- |} ===== (Zen7 AM6 2027/3x)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} ===== (Zen AM 203x/3x)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} ====Intel Sockets==== [[#top|...to the top]] =====Socket 370 (2000/2)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Intel D815EEA | <!--Chipset-->866Mhz P3 and i815 chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia AGPx8 6200LE added}} | <!--Audio-->{{N/A}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|2 USB1.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested AspireOS 1.7, simple basic board with useful 5 PCI slots |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket 478 (2002/4)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=http://detail.zol.com.cn/motherboard/index46381.shtml&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dc.865pe.l%2Bmotherboard%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DsZB%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official Colorful Technology C.865PE-L Silver Fighter Warrior V2.3] | <!--Chipset-->865PE | <!--ACPI-->{{dunno| }} | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|tested with CDROM}} | <!--SATA-->{{dunno| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|AGP slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|ALC650 AC97}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 1.1 and 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8100 8139}} | <!--Opinion-->Still testing with NB (Nightly Build) May 2013 |- | <!--Name-->Intel 845 | <!--Chipset-->865P | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{No|intel 800}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 AD1985}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|e1000}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested ICAROS 1.3 |- | <!--Name-->Intel 845 | <!--Chipset-->865GC | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{No|intel 865 Extreme Graphics 2}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 AD1985}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|e1000}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested ICAROS 1.3 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA775 s775 (2005/8)===== an industry standard DDR2 module could in theory contain fallback JEDEC, intel XMP and AMD EPP configuration data Intel PC CL5 ram modules but an "AMD" CL5 ram module the BIOS cannot read the AMD EPP info on the SPD (Serial Presence Detect) but can recognize the CL5 timing info in the JEDEC data table. PC BIOS auto configures for the AMD ram module and boots normally. an AMD PC CL6 ram modules but an "INTEL" CL6 ram module the BIOS cannot read the INTEL XMP info on the SPD but can recognize the CL6 timing info in JEDEC data table. PC BIOS auto configures for the AMD ram module and boots normally. an INTEL PC needs CL6 ram modules but have an "AMD" CL4 ram module. INTEL BIOS cannot read the AMD EPP info on the SPD but can recognize the CL4 timing info in JEDEC data table. PC BIOS recognizes module timings as incompatible an refuses to boot. entirely separate issue if the RAM module timing specs are incompatible.(i.e. CL4 RAM in a "CL6 only" PC) {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Abit AG8 | <!--Chipset-->P915 + ICH6R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports SATA1 | <!--Gfx-->1 PCIe x16 Slot | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC658 AC97 | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8110S-32 | <!--Opinion-->2004 32bit - Firewire TI 4200R7T no |- | <!--Name-->MSI 915 Neo2 | <!--Chipset-->P915 + ICH6R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports SATA1 | <!--Gfx-->1 PCIe x16 Slot | <!--Audio-->CMI 9880L HD Audio | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcomm BCM5751 PCIe}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VIA VT6306 no |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5GC P5GC-MX | <!--Chipset-->P945GC Lakeport-GC + ICH7R northbridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 3.0 Gbit/s ports | <!--Gfx-->1 PCIe 1.1 slot | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC662 codec | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 usb2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|atheros L2}} | <!--Opinion-->2005 32bit - 3 pci slots - 4 x 240-pin DIMM Sockets max. 4GB DDR2 667/533 non-ECC - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Foxconn PC45CM-SA 45CM-S | <!--Chipset-->945GC with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 sata2 ports | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|pcie 1.0 slot with gma950 integrated}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with aLC883 codec playback}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|realtek 8139 8100sc}} | <!--Opinion-->2 dimm slots 667mhz max 4gb - can be found in Advent desktops - 2 pci-e and 2 pci - core 2 duo only e6xxx - Micro ATX (9.6” x 8.8”) - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-81945GM MFY-RH | <!--Chipset-->Intel® 945GM Express with ICH7M-DH | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA950 VGA15 and PCI-e 1.0 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC880 codec playback only rear port}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 usb 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO1000PL 82573L Gigabit Ethernet}} | <!--Opinion-->2006 MoDT term “Mobile on DeskTop.”, low TDP CPUs to work on desktop form-factor motherboards. mATX Micro ATX 24.4cm x 24.4cm - 2 DDR2 dimm 1.8v slots with 4Gb max - will not boot if PCI2 slot occupied - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-945 GCM S2C | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662 (1.x)}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|8101E Rtl 8169 (1.x)}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA945-GCM S2L | <!--Chipset-->945GC with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCi-E slot | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD Audio with ALC662 codec 2/4/5.1-channel (1.x)}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8111c 8169 (1.x)}} | <!--Opinion-->2 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM 4GB DDR2 memory max - 2 PCI-e and 2 PCI - Micro ATX form factor; 24.4cm x 19.3cm - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 945P Neo-F rev 1.0 | <!--Chipset-->P945 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCie 1.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC662 HDA | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->8110SC (rtl8169) | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 945P Neo2-F rev 1.2 | <!--Chipset-->P945 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCie 1.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC850 AC97 | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->8110SC (rtl8169) | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-P31-DS3L | <!--Chipset-->P31 with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCI Express x16 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC888 codec | <!--USB-->4 USB 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111B | <!--Opinion-->DDR2 800Mhz up to 4Gb 4 x 240 pin - 3 PCI - ATX 12.0" x 8.3" - |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5KPL-AM /PS | <!--Chipset-->G31 with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->4 xSATA 3 Gbit/s ports | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 1.1 with integrated Intel® GMA 3100 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA VT1708B with ALC662 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8102EL 100/10 LAN with Realtek RTL8111C Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion-->2 x 2 GB DDR2 Non-ECC,Un-buffered DIMMs with 2 PCI - Intel Graphics Media Accelerator - |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5KPL/EPU | <!--Chipset-->G31 with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Pci-e 1.0 slot | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8169 Realtek 8111C}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested - 4 240-pin DIMM, Max. 4 GB - 4 pci-e and 3 pci - ATX Form Factor 12 inch x 8.2 inch ( 30.5 cm x 20.8 cm ) - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G31M ES2L | <!--Chipset-->G31 plus ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 3100 2d}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC883 (1.x), ALC883/888B (2.x)}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|RTL8111C (1.x), Atheros 8131 (2.x)}} | <!--Opinion-->reduces DRAM capacity to 4GB |- | <!--Name-->ASRock G31M-S r1.0 G31M-GS | <!--Chipset-->G31 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|4 sata2}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA 3100 2d not 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{partial|rtl8169 RTL8111DL 8169 (for -GS) RTL8102EL (for -S)}} | <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit Core2 - 2 DDR2 800 max 8Gig AMI bios MicroATX - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock G31M-S r2.0 | <!--Chipset-->G31 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|4 sata2}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA 3100 2d not 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL 8111DL 8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit core2 - 2 DDR2 800 max 8Gig MicroATX |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.intel.com/cd/channel/reseller/apac/eng/products/desktop/bdb/dg31pr/feature/index.htm Intel DG31PR] | <!--Chipset-->iG31 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|3100 but can use PCIe 1.1 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888 playback}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8111B Rtl 8169}} | <!--Opinion-->good support |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Intel G33 Express Chipset with ich9 southbridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Intel 3100 powervr tile based | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit - embedded on Core 2 Quad, Core 2 Duo, Pentium Dual-Core CPUS with Integrated GPU Intel GMA 3100 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS P5G41T-M LX | <!--Chipset-->G41 + ICH8 + DDR3 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|X4500 some 2d only)}} | <!--Audio-->ALC887 | <!--USB-->3 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros L1c AR8131}} | <!--Opinion-->reduces maximum supported memory ddr3 from 16 to 8GB 2 dimm slots non-EEC - demotes the PCIe controller mode from revision 2.0 (5.0GT/s) to revision 1.1 (2.5GT/s |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G41MT S2 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->VT1708S (1.3), ALC887-VD2 (1.4), ALC887 (2.1), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Atheros AR8151 l1c (1.x 2.x), | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G41MT S2PT | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC887 (1.0), VIA (2.0), ALC887 (2.1) | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8111E (1.x), Atheros AR8151 l1c (2.1), | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G41MT D3 | <!--Chipset-->G41 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 Port | <!--SATA-->4 Ports | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|GMA X4500 2d only and pci-e 1.1 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888B}} | <!--USB-->4 ports + headers | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8111 D/E}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-P41T D3P | <!--Chipset-->G41 + ICH7 with Intel Core 2 Duo (E6xxx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4ports | <!--Gfx-->GMA X4500 2d | <!--Audio-->ALC888 889/892 | <!--USB-->4 ports | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8111C or D/E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Intel DG41AN Classic | <!--Chipset-->iG41 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx-->X4500 2d | <!--Audio-->ALC888S ALC888VC | <!--USB-->4 ports | <!--Ethernet-->8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->AsRock P5B-DE | <!--Chipset-->P965 + ICH8 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|works ide legacy}} |<!--Gfx-->{{Yes|with PCI-E 1.1 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio via VT1708S}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2006 works well |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5B SE | <!--Chipset-->965 intel | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{N/A}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->works well except ethernet |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5W DH Deluxe P5WDG2 WS PRO | <!--Chipset-->975X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->2 ports | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe x16 slots | <!--Audio-->ALC882 AND LATER ADI 1988B | <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8052 88E8053}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TI TSB43AB22A no |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Abit IP35 | <!--Chipset-->P35 Express + ICH9R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 ports | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC888 HDA | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->two RTL8110SC | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Texas TSB43 AB22A no |- | <!--Name-->MSI P35 Neo F FL MS-7630 rev 1 | <!--Chipset-->Intel P35 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 1.1 support | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC888 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->Base model of this range of P35 mobos |- | <!--Name-->GA-P35-DS3 | <!--Chipset-->P35 and ICH9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC889A codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8111B | <!--Opinion-->2008 - 4 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets max 8 GB - |- | <!--Name-->GA-EP35-DS3 (rev. 2.1) | <!--Chipset-->Intel® P35 + ICH9 Chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{unk|}} | <!--SATA-->{{unk|4 }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{unk|Realtek ALC889A codec }} | <!--USB-->{{yes | }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8111B}} | <!--Opinion-->good |- | <!--Name-->Abit IX38 Quad GT | <!--Chipset-->X38 / ICH9R Chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCI-E 2.0 slot | <!--Audio--> HD Audio ALC888 | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL 8110SC 8169SC | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Texas TSB 43AB22A no |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte X38-DQ6 | <!--Chipset-->X38 / ICH9R Chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCI-E 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC889A HDA | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->twin 8111B 8169 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-EP45 DS3 (2008) | <!--Chipset-->P45 + ICH9 or ICH10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 x SATA 3Gbit/s (SATAII0, SATAII1, SATAII2, SATAII3, SATAII4, SATAII5) | <!--Gfx-->two PCI-E v2.0 x16 slots support splitting its 16 PCIe 2.0 lanes across two cards at x8 transfers | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC888 or ALC889A codec | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->2 x Realtek 8111C chips (10/100 /1000 Mbit) | <!--Opinion-->4 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets non-EEC |- | <!--Name-->MSI P45 Platinum (2008) | <!--Chipset-->P45 + ICH9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 sata2 ports | <!--Gfx-->two PCI-E x16 v2.0 slots | <!--Audio-->ALC888 HD Audio | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->G45 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->adds Intel’s GMA X4500HD graphics engine to P45 Express features | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->G43 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->GMA X4500 2d | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->removes HD video acceleration from the G45’s features |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5E Deluxe | <!--Chipset--> X48 with ICH9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ADI 1988B codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Marvell 88E8001 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->GigaByte GA-X48 DQ6 | <!--Chipset-->X48 plus ICH9R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->8 ports | <!--Gfx-->two PCI-E x16 v2.0 slots | <!--Audio-->ALC889A | <!--USB-->8 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8111B 8169 | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TSB43AB23 no - ICH9 pairs with Intel’s 3-series (X38, P35, etc.) chipsets, in addition to the X48 Express, but excluding the G35 Express |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte EP43-DS3L and Gigabyte GA-EP43-UD3L | <!--Chipset-->P43 with ICH10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 x SATA 3Gbit/s connectors | <!--Gfx-->1 x PCI Express x16 slot PCI Express 2.0 standard | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC888 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8111C | <!--Opinion-->4 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets - 4 pcie x1 - 2 pci - ATX Form Factor; 30.5cm x 21.0cm |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte 73-pvm-s2h rev.1.0 | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA GeForce 7100 nForce 630i | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|1 port}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|3 ports SATA2}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d GeForce 7100 (vga /hdmi/dvi), 1 PCIe x16 Slot }} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ALC889A MCP73}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|7 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL 8211B MCP73}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Not, tested with Icaros Desktop 2.0.3 MCP73 is a single chip solution in three different versions |- | <!--Name-->Nvidia 7150 630i | <!--Chipset-->intel based nForce 630i (MCP73) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|ide legacy}} | <!--GFX-->GF 7150 | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD AUDIO ALC883}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|ohci echi}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8201C}} | <!--Opinion-->being tested |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2.0 x16 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> the MCP73PV or the GeForce 7050/nForce 630i |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->the MCP73S or the GeForce7025/nForce 630i |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->the MCP73V or the GeForce 7025/nForce 610i |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Atom SOC (2008/2x)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->D945CLF | <!--Chipset-->N230 single core | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|GMA945}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662}} Skt 441 | <!--USB-->{{yes|uhci and ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion-->works very well |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.clusteruk.com iMica D945GCKF2 mobo] | <!--Chipset-->Intel Atom N330 Dual Core | <!--ACPI-->wip | <!--IDE-->{{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|gma}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD AUDIO}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|uhci ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->D945GSEJT + Morex T1610 | <!--Chipset-->Atom 230 with 945GSE | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|GMA900 vga but issues with DVI output}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio with ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169 8111DL}} | <!--Opinion-->small size, runs off 12V |- | <!--Name-->ASUS AT3N7A-I | <!--Chipset-->Atom N330 Nvidia ION | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|3 ports legacy IDE}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|nouveau cube cube 2 45 quake 3 }} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with VIA 1708S codec playback}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169 device}} | <!--Opinion--><ref>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAiJpvu73iw</ref> good but can freeze randomly at times |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->D410PT 45nm pinetrail | <!--Chipset-->D410 and NM10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|ide legacy}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA3150}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC262 or ALC66x odd clicks}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8111DL}} | <!--Opinion-->some support |- | <!--Name-->45nm pinetrail | <!--Chipset-->D510 and NM10 + GMA3150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->GMA3150 | <!--Audio-->ALC888B or ALC66x | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8111DL | <!--Opinion-->some support |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-D525TUD (rev. 1.0 1.2 1.5) | <!--Chipset-->D525 NM10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->gma 3150 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111f | <!--Opinion-->2012 64 - 2 ddr3 dimm slots max 8g - Mini-ITX Form Factor; 17.0cm x 17.0cm - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- |} =====Socket 1366 (2009/10)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P6T DELUXE | <!--Chipset-->x58 + ICH10 and Intel 1st gen. (Nehalem/Lynnfield) Core i7 (8xx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|1 port}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe x16 (r2.0) slots | <!--Audio-->ADI AD2000B HD Audio | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Marvell 88E8056 Gigabit}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VIA VT6308 no |- | <!--Name-->gigabyte ex58 ds | <!--Chipset--> x58 + ICH10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111D rtl8169 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket 1156 (2010)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire M3910 | <!--Chipset-->i3 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{unk| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA intel HD}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek ALC}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk| Realtek}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H55M-S2H | <!--Chipset-->H55 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe slot | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|ALCxxx playback}} ALC888B (Rev1.x) | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8111D}} (Rev 1.x) | <!--Opinion-->Tested but no support for WLAN Realtek 8188su |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI H55M-E33 v1.0 | <!--Chipset-->E7636 M7636 H55 chipset so older i3/i5/i7 system | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio ALC889}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|PCI-E Realtek 8111DL}} | <!--Opinion-->Works well |- | <!--Name-->Asus P7P55D | <!--Chipset-->P55 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{unk| }} | <!--SATA-->{{unk| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{maybe | via codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe |rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111B/C RTL8112L }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1155 H2 (2010/13)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS P8H61-I LX R2.0 | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->1 pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111f | <!--Opinion-->2013 - up to ivybridge cpus - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Asus P8H61-I/RM/SI mini-itx | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2012 64 up to i3-2010 - OEM board from an RM machine but not ivybridge as the Asus BIOS isn't compatible with these, 0909 hacked one might work - |- | <!--Name-->asus p8h61-i lx r2.0/rm/si mini itx | <!--Chipset-->h61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2.0 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with VIA codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111e | <!--Opinion-->2012 sandy and ivy - oem from rm machine 2 x 240-Pin DDR3 DIMM sockets max DDR3 1333MHz - |- | <!--Name-->‎Bewinner 63q9c7omvs V301 ITX | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata with nvme | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 4 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8106E 100M Network Card | <!--Opinion-->2022 64 |- | <!--Name-->Biostar H61 H61MHV2 H61MHV3 Ver. 7.0 | <!--Chipset-->H61 with Intel Pentium G 2xxx series CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC662 later ALC897 | <!--USB-->4 usb2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->2014 - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H61M-D2-B3 | <!--Chipset-->H61 + Sandybridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC889 | <!--USB-->2 ports | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H61MA-D3V | <!--Chipset-->H61 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Maybe No Realtek ALC887 (Rev 2.0) ALC887 (Rev2.1) | <!--USB-->2 ports | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->GA-H61M-S2PV | <!--Chipset-->H61 with 2400k 2500k 2600k 2700k | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC887 (rev 1.0 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3) | <!--USB-->4 USB 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Rtl811E (1.0) 8151 (2.0) Rtl8111F (2.1 2.2 2.3) | <!--Opinion-->Micro ATX Form Factor; 24.4cm x 20cm with 2 pci-e and 2 pci - |- | <!--Name-->Intel Classic Series DH61CR Desktop | <!--Chipset-->H61 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC892 | <!--USB-->4 ports | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82579V}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI H61M-P20 (G3) MS-7788 *retail MSI board *OEM Advent, etc | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|four SATAII ports}} | <!--Gfx-->1 PCI Express gen3 (retail) gen2 (oem) x16 slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8105E 100M Network Card}} | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - 2 ddr3 slots - 22.6cm(L) x 17.3cm(W) M-ATX Form Factor - BIOS - [https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1149&rowstart=140&pid=6009#post_6007 works well], |- | <!--Name-->MSI H61I-E35 (B3) MS-7677 Ver.1.2 | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d for hdmi}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1149&rowstart=140&pid=5861#post_5861 works}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P8H67-M | <!--Chipset-->H67 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata3 - 4 sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC887 | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P8Z68-V LX | <!--Chipset-->Z68 + Intel 2nd generation (Sandy Bridge) Core i7 (2xxx) CPU and possibly ivybridgev | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|2 sata3 - 4 sata2}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio Intel HD with ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 USB3.0 - 4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek® 8111E}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit SSE 4.1 and AVX - EFI bios - 4 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Z68AP-D3 (B3) | <!--Chipset-->Z68 + Ivybridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata3 - 4 sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC889 | <!--USB-->2 USB3.0 - 4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus B75M-A | <!--Chipset-->B75 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio with Realtek ® ALC887-VD codec}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek ® 8111F-VB-CG }} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit - 2 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->H77 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H77-D3H 1.0 1.1 | <!--Chipset-->H77 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata 3.0 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio VIA VT2021 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros GbE LAN chip}} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit i5 3550 7 3770 - 4 DDR3 slots - 2 full pci-e 2 pci slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA Z77 D3H with i3 3225 dual | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio VIA VT2021 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros GbE LAN chip}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1150 H3 (2013/2016)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/asus-b85m-e-rev-1-02 Asus B85M-E] | <!--Chipset-->B85 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio with Realtek ® ALC887-VD2 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{no| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8111F}} | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit - 4 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H87N-WIFI mITX | <!--Chipset-->H87 and Intel 4th generation (Haswell) Core i5 (4xxx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel Atheros | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus H81M-C H81M-P-SI | <!--Chipset-->H81 with 4th generation (Haswell) Core i7 (4xxx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2x3g 2x6g | <!--Gfx-->pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->hdaudio alc887 vd | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8111gr | <!--Opinion-->2013 skt 1150 - 2 ddr3 max 16g - mini atx - |- | <!--Name-->Asus H81T | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->HD4000 igpu only | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC887-VD | <!--USB-->Intel USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 realtek 8111G | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit intel 4th gen mini itx - external dc brick with 19v rare barrel pin 7.4MM x 5.0MM - 2 ddr3 laptop sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H81M-S2V | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC887 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® GbE LAN chip | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit up to i7 4790K - 2 DDR3 slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H81M-D3V (rev. 1.0) | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|2 sata2 2 sata3 }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{unk| HDAudio Realtek® ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|intel and VIA® VL805}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|rtl8169 Realtek }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI H81M-E34 (MS-7817) | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 2.0 x16 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC887 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 RTL8111G}} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Z87-K | <!--Chipset-->Z87 with 4th generation (Haswell) Core i7 4c8t i5 4c4t CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek lan | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H | <!--Chipset-->Z87 Express | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with Realtek® ALC898 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA H97M D3H r1.0 r1.1 with i3 4360 or 4370 dual | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek lan | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Z97 A with i7 4790K | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->750, 960, 970 and 980 nvidia GTX cards | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel lan ethernet | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA Z97X UD3H rev1.0 1.1 1.2 | <!--Chipset-->Z97 with i5 4690K | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC1150 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel lan | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI GAMING 5 Z97 | <!--Chipset-->Z97 with 4th generation (Haswell) Core i7 4c8t CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS Q87M-E | <!--Chipset-->Q87 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit - 4 DDR3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->H99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA2011V2 s2011-2 (2012/15)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x79 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2013 Xeon e5-???? W TDP, e5-2667V2 W TDP, e5-????V2 W TDP, Sandybridge and Ivybridge V2 |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset-->X79 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA2011V3 s2011-3 (2015/18)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2016 Xeon e5-1620v3 130W TDP, e5-1650V3 (i7-5930K) 140W TDP, e5-2640V3 90W TDP, Haswell-EP |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset-->X99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->most cheap Ryzens are better nowadays |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Huananzhi X99-CD4 | <!--Chipset-->Intel C612 and X99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata 3 connectors and 1 m.2 nvme slot | <!--Gfx-->pcie slot | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC897 codec | <!--USB-->{{No|USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2024 quality might not be great outside of a simple setup - 2 ddr4 dimms - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Keyiyou X99 XD4 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Machinist MR9A Pro | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 |- | <!--Name-->Machinist MR9A Pro | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 |- | <!--Name-->Mogul | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Qiyida X99 H9S | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 |- | <!--Name-->Soyo | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1151 Socket H4 (2015/2018)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->Skylake CPUs have TPM 2.0 imbedded |- | <!--Name-->Asus H110 Plus H110M-A/DP | <!--Chipset--> with 6th Gen Core and 7th with bios update | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Sunrise Point-H SATA [AHCI mode] [8086 a102] | <!--Gfx-->{{No|Skylake Integrated HD Graphics use PIC-E slot}} | <!--Audio-->Intel HD Audio with Realtek ALC887 Audio CODEC | <!--USB-->Sunrise Point-H USB 3.0 xHCI [8086: a12f] no usb2.0 fallback | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8111GR or 8111H RTL8111 8168 8411}} | <!--Opinion-->ATX with 3 pci-e and 2 DDR4 slots - uatx version smaller - turn off TLSF as it was causing AHI driver to corrupt. Turned off ACPI for errors but works fine once booted - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS H110M-R M-ATX | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 x SATA 6Gb/s | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio Realtek® ALC887 codec | <!--USB-->Intel USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->2016 64bit 6th Gen Skylake Core™ i7/Core™ 6950X i7-6970HQ i7-6700K 4c8t hyperthreading, i5/Core™ i5-6600K 4c4t i3/Pentium® / Celeron® - 2 DDR4 DIMMS Max 32GB 2133MHz - 1 full pci-e and 2 pci-e 1 - |- | <!--Name-->Asus H110T | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->intel igpu only | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Dual Intel/Realtek GbE languard | <!--Opinion-->2016 - mini itx 12v / 19v laptop type rare barrel pin 7.4MM x 5.0MM - 2 sodimm ddr4 slots - no pci-e slot - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H110M-S2H MATX Rev1.0 | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC887 codec | <!--USB-->2 (USB 3.1 Gen 1) ports with 4 us2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® GbE LAN | <!--Opinion--> 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte ga-h110n | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes| sata}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2d for Intel or PCI-e slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HDaudio for ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|RTL8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2016 mini-itx 6th gen |- | <!--Name-->Msi H110M-PRO-VH | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 x SATA 6Gb/s | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 | <!--Audio--> Realtek® ALC887 Codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111h | <!--Opinion--> 6th gen intel - 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus H170 Pro Gaming | <!--Chipset-->H170 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->Asmedia USB3.1/3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->intel lan | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI Z170A TOMAHAWK | <!--Chipset-->Z170 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sara, 1 x 2280 Key M(PCIe Gen3 x4/SATA), 1 x 2230 Key E(Wi-Fi) | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel lan | <!--Opinion-->2016 64bit up to i7 7700k - 2 DDR4 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->GIGABYTE GA-B250M-DS3H HD3P D3H D2V | <!--Chipset-->B250 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2018 coffee lake intel 8th gen |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> with Kaby Lake X Intel 7th Gen | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> up to 16 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> Z390 with Kaby Lake X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> up to 16 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> Q370M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> H370M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> B360M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Rampage | <!--Chipset-->x299 with i9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> - up to 24 to 44 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte | <!--Chipset--X299 > | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket LGA 1200 (2020/2022)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->MSI H510M-A PRO (MS-7D22) | <!--Chipset--> with 10th gen Comet Lake X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2021 64bit - up to 16 pcie lanes rebar possible |- | <!--Name-->Asus PRIME H410M-E Asrock H470M-HDV/M.2 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> with 11th gen Rocket Lake X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> up to 16 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket LGA 1700 (2023/ )===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Alder Lake / 14th gen Raptor Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2021 2022 64bit - QoS work to 2 level cpus, P down to E cores - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Meteor Lake ultra 5 7 1xxH series 1 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 2024 64bit 10nm - 3 level cpus, Low Power Island (SOC tile) to E onto P cores - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> 15th gen Arrow Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Lunar lake ultra 5 7 2xxV series 2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2025 64bit 7nm - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Nova Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2026 64bit - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Panther Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2026 64bit - either 44, 484, or 448 tiled cores 18A process - core ultra x9 288h, x7 358H, - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1954 (2027/ )===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Nova Lake-S | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Serpent Lake, Titan Lake, and Razer Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2027 |- |} =====Socket LGA (203x/203x)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->MSI | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} ===Chromebooks=== For most (EOL) cromebooks, the recommended UEFI path forward is to: *put the device into Developer Mode *disable firmware write protection *flash MrChromebox's UEFI Full ROM firmware *install ChromeOS Flex, Linux, etc See [https://mrchromebox.tech/#home MrChrome], [https://mrchromebox.tech MrChrome] and the [https://www.reddit.com/r/chrultrabook/ chrultrabook subreddit] for more info ChromeOS has several different boot modes, which are important to understand in the context of modifying your device to run an alternate OS: *Normal/Verified Boot Mode Can only boot Google-signed ChromeOS images Full verification of firmware and OS kernel No root access to the system, no ability to run Linux or boot other OSes Automatically enters Recovery Mode if any step of Verified Boot fails Default / out-of-the-box setting for all ChromeOS devices *Recovery Mode User presented with Recovery Mode boot screen (white screen with 'ChromeOS is missing or damaged') Boots only USB/SD with signed Google recovery image Automatically entered when Verified Boot Mode fails Can be manually invoked: On Chromebooks, via keystroke: [ESC+Refresh+Power] On Chromeboxes, by pressing a physical recovery button at power-on On Convertibles/Tablets, by holding the Power, Vol+, and Vol- buttons for 10s and then release Allows for transition from Verified Boot Mode to Developer Mode On Chromebooks/Chromeboxes, via keystroke: [CTRL+D] On Convertibles/Tablets, via button press: Vol+/Vol- simultaneously Booting recovery media on USB/SD will repartition/reformat internal storage and reload ChromeOS Note: The ChromeOS recovery process does not reset the firmware boot flags (GBB Flags), so if those are changed from the default, they will still need to be reset for factory default post-recovery. *Developer Mode "Jailbreak" mode built-in to every ChromeOS device Loosened security restrictions, allows root/shell access, ability to run Linux via crouton Verified Boot (signature checking) disabled by default, but can be re-enabled Enabled via [CTRL+D] on the Recovery Mode boot screen Boots to the developer mode boot screen (white screen with 'OS verification is off' text), The user can select via keystroke <pre> ChromeOS (in developer mode) on internal storage ( [CTRL+D] ) ChromeOS/ChromiumOS on USB ( [CTRL+U] ) Legacy Boot Mode ( [CTRL+L] ) </pre> Boot screen displays the ChromeOS device/board name in the hardware ID string (eg, PANTHER F5U-C92, which is useful to know in the context of device recovery, firmware support, or in determining what steps are required to install a given alternate OS on the device. *Legacy Boot Mode Unsupported method for booting alternate OSes (Linux, Windows) via the SeaBIOS RW_LEGACY firmware Accessed via [CTRL+L] on the developer mode boot screen Requires explicit enabling in Developer Mode via command line: sudo crossystem dev_boot_legacy=1 Most ChromeOS devices require a RW_LEGACY firmware update first Boots to the (black) SeaBIOS splash screen; if multiple boot devices are available, prompt shows the boot menu Note: If you hear two beeps after pressing [CTRL+L], then either your device doesn't have a valid Legacy Boot Mode / RW_LEGACY firmware installed, or legacy boot capability has not been been enabled via crossystem. https://www.howtogeek.com/278953/how-to-install-windows-on-a-chromebook/ Chromebooks don’t officially support other OSs. You normally can’t even install as Chromebooks ship with a special type of BIOS designed for Chrome OS. But there are ways to install, if you’re willing to get your hands dirty and potentially ruin everything [https://mrchromebox.tech/#devices Firmware Compatibility] [https://wiki.galliumos.org/Hardware_Compatibility Here is the list of hardware that the GalliumOS supports and information on getting Gallium OS on to those devices] Development on GalliumOS has been discontinued, and for most users, GalliumOS is not the best option for running Linux due to lack of hardware support or a kernel that's out of date and lacking important security fixes. Meet Eupnea and Depthboot, the successors to Galliumos and Breath [https://eupnea-linux.github.io This is the bleeding edge] Most older Chromebooks need the write-protect screw removed in order to install MrChromebox's firmware that allows you to install other operating systems. Most newer Chromebooks don't work in the same way as there is no write-protect screw on them. Very rough guide to '''total''' (i.e. all cores / threads) processor performance (AROS usually uses only the [https://gmplib.org/gmpbench one core]) [[#top|...to the top]] <pre> 060000 AMD Ryzen 9 7900X (AM5 170W), 056000 AMD Ryzen 9 5950X, 055000 AMD Ryzen 9 5900X3D, 053000 AMD Ryzen 9 5900X (AM4 105W), AMD Ryzen 9 3950X (105W), 044000 AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D, 042000 AMD Ryzen 9 6900HX, AMD Ryzen 5 5600X3D (AM4 95W), AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 5750GE (AM4 35W), 039000 AMD Ryzen 9 5900HS, Intel Core i7-12700T, AMD Ryzen 7 7735HS (8c16t 45W), AMD 8840U, 038000 AMD Ryzen 7 5800H (FP6 45W), AMD Ryzen 7 6800U, Intel Core i5-12490F, Intel Core i5-12500E, 037000 AMD Ryzen 7 5800HS (FP6 35W), AMD Ryzen 5 8500G 8600GE (AM5 6c12t 35W), AMD Ryzen Z2 (8c16t), 036500 AMD Ryzen 7 5700G (AM4 8c16t 65W), AMD Ryzen 9 6900HS, Intel Core i7-12800H, 036200 AMD Ryzen 7 5700GE (AM4 8c16t 35W), AMD Ryzen Z1 Extreme (top TDP), AMD Ryzen 5 8600G (AM5 65W), 036000 AMD Ryzen 5 3600X (Am4 95W), AMD Ryzen 5 5500 (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 5600 (65W), 035000 AMD Ryzen 5 6600H, Intel Core i5-12400F, 031000 AMD Ryzen™ 9 8945HS, Ryzen™ 7 8845HS, AMD Ryzen 7 7840U, 030000 AMD Ryzen 7 4800U, AMD Ryzen 4800H, Intel Core i5-11400F, Intel Zeon E5-2697A V4, 029500 AMD Ryzen 5 4500 (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 3600 (65W), Apple M3 Pro 12c, 029000 AMD Ryzen 5 4600G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 4650GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 1700X (AM4 95W), 028500 AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5675U, AMD Ryzen 7 1700 (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 7 2700 (65W), Ryzen 3 7540U, 028000 AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5650U, 5 5560U (FP6 25W 6c12t Zen3), Intel Core i5-13500H, AMD Ryzen 7 4800HS, 027700 AMD Ryzen 9 PRO 7940HS (FP8 65W), AMD 8745HS, AMD Ryzen H255 AI, AMD Ryzen 3 7545U, 027500 AMD Ryzen 3 7736U, AMD Ryzen 5 7640U, 027400 AMD Ryzen 5 8540U, AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5650GE (AM4 6c12t 35W), AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 4650G (AM4 45W), 027300 AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 4750GE, AMD Ryzen 5 5600H, AMD Ryzen 7 5825U (FP6 8c16t 15W), 027200 AMD Ryzen 5 6600U, AMD Ryzen 7 2700X, AMD Ryzen 5 5600GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen Z1, 027100 AMD Ryzen 7 7730U (FP6 15W 8c16t), AMD Ryzen 7 5800U (FP6 25W 8c16t), Ryzen 9 4900H, 027000 AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 4750U (8c16t), Ryzen 5 7430U (FP6 6c12t), Ryzen 5 PRO 6650U, Intel 10500H, 026500 AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 7840HS (FP7 65W), AMD Ryzen 7 8840HS, AMD Ryzen Z2 Extreme, 025000 AMD Ryzen 5 5600U (FP6 25W hot 6c12t Zen3), AMD Ryzen 5 2600 (65W), Ryzen 5 7530U, 024500 AMD Ryzen 5 4600HS (FP6 35W 6c12t), Apple M1 Pro, AMD Ryzen 5 5625U (FP6 15W 6c12t), 023700 AMD Ryzen 3 PRO 5350GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen 5 3500X (AM4 95W), Intel Core i7-9700, 023500 AMD Ryzen 5 1600X (95W), AMD Ryzen 3 5300GE (AM4 4c8t 35W), AMD Ryzen 7 5700U (FP6 25W 8c16t Zen2), 023200 AMD Ryzen 3 7330U (FP6 15W 4c8t), AMD Ryzen 7 4700U (FP6 25W 8c8t), AMD Ryzen 5 4400G, 023000 Intel Core i7-1255U, Intel Core i7 13700H, Ryzen 7640HS, 022000 AMD Ryzen Z2 Go (4c8t), AMD Ryzen 5 5500U (FP6 25W 6c12t Zen2), Snapdragon 8 Elite, 020500 AMD Ryzen 3 4300G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 3 5450U 5425U, AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 4650U (6c12t), 019500 Intel Core i5-1135G7, AMD Ryzen 5 5500H, AMD Ryzen 5 4600U (FP6 25W 6c), AMD Ryzen 5 2600 (65W), 019250 Intel Core i5-1145G7, 019000 AMD Ryzen 5 3400G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 2500X, AMD Ryzen 5 7520U, AMD Ryzen V3C18I (? 15W), 017750 AMD Ryzen 5 3400GE (AM4 35W), Intel Core i5-8400, AMD Ryzen 5 1500X (AM4 65W), Xbox One Series X, 017500 Intel Core i7-6700K, Intel i5-10400, AMD Ryzen 5 4500U (FP6 25W 6c6t), AMD Ryzen 3 5400U, 017000 AMD Ryzen 3 PRO 4350GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen 3 5300U (FP6 25W 4c8t), Intel Core i5-11300H, 016500 AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, AMD Ryzen Embedded V1756B (FP5 45W), AMD Ryzen 3 PRO 4200GE, SD G3 Gen3, 016250 Intel Core i5-1035G7, intel core i5 7600 (4c4t 65W), 016000 AMD Ryzen 5 2400G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 3550H, Ryzen 5 PRO 3350GE (4c 8t), Intel Core i5-8500T, 015000 AMD Ryzen 3 7320U, Ryzen 7 3700U, Ryzen 3200G (AM4 65W), Intel Core i7-8550U, Intel Core i5-1035G1, 014000 AMD Ryzen 5 2400GE (AM4 35W), Intel Core i7-6700T, AMD Ryzen 5 3550U, 013500 AMD Ryzen 5 3500U (FP5 15W 4c8t), AMD Ryzen 3 4300U, AMD Athlon Gold 4150GE, AMD Ryzen 5 3450U, 013250 AMD Ryzen 3 3200GE (AM4 45W), AMD Ryzen 3 1300X (65W), AMD Ryzen 3 2200G, Xbox One Series S, 013000 AMD Ryzen Embedded V1605B (FP5 25W), AMD Ryzen 2700U, AMD Ryzen R2514, 012500 AMD Ryzen 5 2500U (FP5 25W 4c8t), Intel Core i3-8300T, Intel Xeon X5680, Intel i3-1115G4 (2c4t), 012300 Intel Core i7-8565U, Intel Core i5-8350U, Intel Core i7-8700, Allwinner A733 (2 A76, 6 A55), 012200 ARM Cortex-X3 Prime Snapdragon SD8G2 Gen2 4nm 64-bit Kryo CPU, i5-8250U (4c8t), 012000 AMD Ryzen 3 2200GE, AMD Ryzen 3 1200 (65W), AMD Ryzen 5 3500C, 011500 AMD Ryzen 3 3300U, Intel Core i3-8100T, Intel Core i5-8265U, Intel i5-10210U, CORE i5-10310U, 010500 AMD Ryzen 3 2300U (FP5 25W 4c4t), Allwinner A527 (8 A55), 010300 Intel Core i7-3630QM, Intel Core i5-6600T, Intel Core i5-4670K, 010200 Intel Core i5-6440HQ, Intel Core i7-3610QM, Snapdragon SD865, 010000 AMD FX-8320E (AM3+ 125W 8c8t), Intel Core i5-7500T, Intel Core i5-4690, 009000 Spectrum Unisoc Tiger T7280 (T620), Cortex-X2, MediaTek Dimensity 1300 (4 A78, 4 A55), 008700 AMD FX-6130 (AM3+ 90W 6c6t), Intel Core i5-7400T, Intel Core i5-4590T, 008500 Intel Core i5-6500T, AMD Athlon 300GE (AM4, 35W), AMD Athlon Gold 7220U, 008000 AMD Ryzen R1606G (FP5 15W), AMD FX-6300 (AM3 65W 6c6t), Intel Core i5-2500K, 007500 AMD Ryzen 3 3200U, AMD Ryzen 3 3250U, Intel Alderlake ULX N100 / N95, 007200 AMD Ryzen 3 2200U (FP5 25W 2c4t), Intel Core i3-7100T, Intel Twinlakes N150 N200, Xbox(TM) One S, 007100 AMD Ryzen R1505G (FP5, 15W), RK3576 4 A72, 4 A53, Snapdragon XR2 Gen 1, 006600 Qualcomm Snapdragon 888 5G, AMD Athlon 300U (FP5 2c4t 15W), Intel i7-7600U, AMD V1202B, 006500 Intel Core i7-6500U, AMD Athlon Gold 3150U, Intel Celeron N5105 (FCBGA1338 15W), SD 685, 006300 Intel Core i3-8130U (15W), Intel Celeron N5095 (FCBGA1338 15W), Intel Core i3-6100T, 006100 Intel Core i5-6300U, Intel Core i5-7200U (2c4t), Intel i7-5500U, Intel Core i7-6600U (2c4t), 006000 Intel Core i5-6200U (2c4t), Intel Core i3-7130U, Intel i7-4500U, Qualcomm Snapdragon 888 4G, 005950 Intel Core i5-4570T, Intel Core i5-5257U, Rockchip RK3588 (4 A76, 4 A55), Snapdragon 7325, 005900 Intel Xeon X5550, Intel Core i5-4300M, MediaTek Dimensity 1200 (4 A78, 4 A55), Unisoc 7255 (T616), 005800 Intel Celeron J4125 J4105 (FCBGA1090 15W), Intel Core i5-3470T, AMD A8-6600K APU, AMD 3015E (2c4t), 005600 Intel Core i5-3360M, Intel Core i7-3520M, Intel Core i5-4210M, Intel Pentium G4600T, 005400 MediaTek Dimensity 900 (2 A78, 6 A55), AMD Athlon Silver 7120U, Snapdragon 860, 005300 AMD PRO A12-9800B 7th Gen APU (FP4 15W), AMD FX-4300 4c4t, AMD Ryzen R1305G, 005250 Intel Core i5-3230M, AMD FX-7600P, Intel Pentium G4400, Unisoc T7200 (Unisoc T606 2 A76, 6 A55), 005200 AMD PRO A10-8770E, AMD A10-9700E, AMD PRO A10-9700B (FP4 15W), Intel Core i3-4130T, 005100 AMD RX-427BB (FP3 15W), AMD A10-9620P, AMD A12-9720P, Intel Core i3-8145U, AMD A12-9830B, 005050 AMD A8-5500 (FM2 65W), AMD A10 PRO-7800B APU, Intel Pentium Silver N5000, Intel Core i7-5500U, 005000 Intel Core i5-5300U, Intel Core i5-3320M (2c4t), Intel Core i5-5350U, Unisoc T618 (2 A73 6 A53), 004900 Intel Core i5-4300U, Intel Core i5-5200U, Intel Core i3-4100M, Snapdragon 662 (SM6115), 004860 Intel Core i7-2620M, Intel Core i7-2640M, AMD Athlon Silver 3050U 3050e, Intel i3-7020U, 004650 Intel Core i5-2520M (2c4t), Intel Core i5-3210M, AMD A10-9600P (FP4 4c 15W), Pentium 4415U, 004625 Intel Core i3-7100U (FCBGA1356 15W), ARM A76 RK3588S, AMD A10-6800B APU, 004600 AMD PRO A8-9600B, AMD PRO A12-8830B, AMD PRO A10-8730B, AMD A12-9700P, Intel Core i3-6100U, 004400 AMD A10-8700P A8-8600P, Intel Core i5-4200U, Intel Core i5-2540M, Intel i3-6006U, 004000 Intel Core i5-2430M, AMD PRO A8-8600B, AMD 3020e, Intel Core i3-5005U, Mediatek MT6797 Helio X20, 003850 Intel Core i5-2410M (2c4t), Intel Core i3-2120 (LGA1155 65W), Mediatek MT8786, 003800 AMD A10-4600M APU, AMD A10 PRO-7350B APU, AMD A10-5750M APU, Rockchip RK3399, 003600 AMD A8-6500T APU, AMD A8-7410 APU, AMD PRO A6-8550B, AMD A8-5550M (4c4t), 003500 AMD GX-424CC SOC (FT3b 25W 4c4t), ARM A75 Unisoc Tiger T610 (Spreadtrum) (8c 5W), 003400 AMD A10-7300 APU, AMD A6-7310 APU, AMD A8-6410, AMD A10-5745M APU, Intel Core i3-4000M, 003350 Intel Pentium G2020, Intel Core i3-3120M (G2 2c4t), AMD R-464L APU, Intel® Core m5-6Y57 (2c4t), 003300 AMD GX-420CA SOC (FT3 BGA769 25W), AMD A6-9500E, Intel Celeron N4200, AMD A6-5200 ( 25W 2c2t), 003200 AMD A6-6310 APU, AMD A6-6400B APU, AMD A6-8570E, AMD A8-4500M APU, AMD A6-7400K APU 003000 AMD A8-7150B, AMD A9-9410 / A9-9425, AMD A6-8500B (FP4 15W), AMD A8-7100, 002900 AMD PRO A6-8530B, AMD A6-8500P, AMD A8-3500M APU, Intel Core i3-2120T, 002700 AMD Embedded GX-420GI (FP4 15W), AMD PRO A6-9500B, AMD GX-415GA, AMD A4-6210 APU, 002600 AMD A6-9225, AMD A8-4555M APU, AMD A4-5000 APU (FT3 15W), AMD A6-9220, AMD A6-3420M APU, 002450 Intel Celeron 2950M, Intel Pentium N3700, Intel Core i3-2350M, Allwinner A523 (8 A55), 002400 Intel Celeron N3150, Intel Core i3-2330M, Intel Xeon W3505, AMD A6-9210, Allwinner H618 (4 A53), 002300 Intel Celeron N3350, AMD A4-9120, AMD A4-9125, Intel Core i3-2310M, Intel Celeron 3865U, 002200 AMD A9-9420e, AMD A6-5350M APU, AMD E2-6110 APU, AMD E2-9000e, Celeron N4500, 002000 AMD GX-412HC, AMD A4-4300M APU, AMD A6 PRO-7050B APU, AMD A6-4400M APU, AMD A6-7000, 001925 Intel Core2 Duo E6700, Intel Pentium Extreme Edition 965, Intel Core i3-370M, Celeron N4020, 001750 Intel Core i3-2365M 2375M, AMD A4-9120C, Intel Core2 Duo T8300, Qualcomm MSM8939, 001600 AMD GX-222GC (BGA769 FT3b 15W), AMD A4-9120e, AMD Embedded GX-215JJ, AMD A4-4355M APU, 001550 Intel Core2 Duo SL9400 T7600 T6600, AMD E2-3200, AMD A6-9220e, Mediatek MT8783, AMD E2-3800, 001500 AMD GX-218GL SOC, AMD A6-4455M, AMD A4-5150M APU, ARM A55 RK3566 (4c 3W), Intel Core2 Duo T8100, 001400 AMD GX-217GA SOC, ARM Cortex-A53 4c4t H700, AMD A4-3300M APU, Allwinner A133P A64 (4 A53), 001300 AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-64 TL-62, Intel Core2 Duo T7300, Intel Core2 Duo T5600, AMD RX-216TD, 001250 AMD GX-412TC SOC, AMD A4-3320M APU, AMD Athlon 64 X2 QL-66, Intel Core2 Duo T7200 001200 AMD Athlon 64 X2 2c TK-57, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-60 RM-74, AMD E1-2500, AMD E2-7015, 001150 Intel Core2 Duo T5550, Intel Core2 Duo L7500, AMD E2-3000M APU, ARM A35 RK3266, AMD E2-7110, 001100 Intel Core2 Duo T5300, AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800, Intel Core2 Duo E4300, Mediatek MT8127, 001050 AMD E1-6010 APU, Intel Pentium T4300, Intel Celeron N2840, 001050 AMD Athlon 64 FX-57, AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core TK-55, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-52 001000 Intel Core2 Duo T5500, Intel Core2 Duo L7300, Intel Core2 Duo SU9400, 000950 AMD G-T56N, AMD Athlon 64 3100+, AMD E2-2000 APU, 000950 AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-50, AMD E1-2200 APU, Intel Celeron U3400, 000925 AMD TurionX2 Dual Core Mobile RM-72, AMD Sempron 140 000920 Intel Celeron SU2300, Intel Core2 Duo T5200, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-56 000890 AMD E2-1800 APU, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-58 000880 AMD G-T56E, AMD G-T48E, 000860 AMD E-450 APU, AMD E-350 APU, AMD Athlon LE-1620 000820 AMD A4-1250 APU, AMD Athlon LE-1600, 000810 AMD E1-2100 APU, Intel Core Duo T2500, 000810 Intel Atom D510, Intel Core2 Duo U7500, 000800 AMD Geode NX 2400+, AMD Turion 64 Mobile ML-42, AMD Athlon II Neo K325, 000760 AMD V140, AMD E1-1200 APU, AMD Athlon 64 3300+, 000730 Intel Core Duo T2400, AMD Turion 64 Mobile MK-38, AMD Sempron 3600+, 000700 Intel Core2 Duo U7600 U7700, AMD Sempron LE-1200, AMD V120 000680 AMD GX-212JC SOC, AMD E-300 APU, AMD A4-1200 APU, 000670 AMD Turion 64 Mobile MK-36 ML-37 ML-40, Mobile AMD Sempron 3800+ 000640 Intel Atom N2600, Intel Atom N570, Mobile AMD Athlon 64 3200+ 000640 Intel Core Duo T2300, Intel Core Duo T2050, 000630 VIA Eden X2 U4200, AMD Sempron LE-1100, AMD Sempron 3100+ 3600+, 000620 AMD C-70 C70 APU, Intel Atom 330, AMD G-T40N, AMD Athlon Neo MV-40, 000610 Intel Core2 Duo U7300, AMD Athlon II Neo K125 K145, 000600 Intel Atom N550, Intel Pentium 4, AMD Athlon 64 2800+, 000580 AMD C-60 C60, AMD G-T40E, AMD Sempron LE-1250 000530 AMD C-50 C50, Intel Celeron M 723, AMD Sempron 210U, 000490 AMD GX-210JA SOC, PowerPC 970 G5 IBM's 970 server CPU (2c), 000470 Mobile AMD Sempron 3500+, Mobile AMD Athlon XP-M 2200+, 000460 AMD Athlon XP 2500+, AMD Sempron 3500+, Mobile Intel Pentium 4, 000440 Intel Atom D425, Intel Atom N470, POWER 4 PPC, 000410 Intel Pentium M, Intel Celeron M, AMD Sempron 2300+ 000400 Intel Atom N450, AMD Sempron 2400+, 000340 Intel Atom D410, AMD G-T52R, AMD C-30, AMD Sempron 2200+ 000330 Intel Atom N455, Intel Atom N280, Intel Atom N270 (1c1t 2W), Intel P3, 000320 Freescale NXP QorIQ P1022 000310 PowerPC G4 7447 1Ghz (1c1t 15W), PPC440 core, 000230 PowerPC PPC G3/PPC 750, 000160 Pentium II, Motorola 68060 000080 Intel 80486, Motorola 68030, 000040 Intel 80386, 000030 Motorola 68020 000008 Motorola 68000 </pre> === Recommended hardware (32-bit) === [[#top|...to the top]] Recommended hardware is hardware that has been tested with latest release of AROS and is relatively easy to purchase second hand (ie. ebay). This hardware also comes with commitment that compatibility will be maintained with each future release. If in future decision will be made to drop any of the recommended hardware from the list (for example due to it no longer being available for purchase), such hardware will move to list of legacy supported systems and will have an indicated end of life date so that users have time to switch to other hardware. {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" | <!--OK-->{{Yes|'''Works well'''}} || <!--Not working-->{{No|'''Does not work'''}} || <!--Not applicable-->{{N/A|'''N/A not applicable'''}} |- |} ==== Virtual Hardware ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | VirtualBox 7.x (Other/Unknown template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|PCNET32<br/>E1000}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- | VMware 16+ (Other32 template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|PCNET32}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- | QEMU 8.x ("pc" and "q35" machines) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|PCNET32}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- |} ==== Laptops ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | ACER Aspire One ZG5 || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(IDE)}} || {{Yes|GMA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|RTL8169}} || {{Yes|ATHEROS}} || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- | Dell Latitude D520 || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{Yes|GMA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|BCM4400}} || {{No|}} || {{Yes|Atheros AR5BXB63}} || * select Intel Core 2 64-bit version, not Celeron 32-bit version <br/> * replace WiFi card to get wireless working |- |} ==== Desktop Systems ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | Fujitsu Futro S720 || {{Yes|SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * no 2D/3D acceleration<br/> * use USB ports at back |- |} ==== Motherboards ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | ASUS P8Z68V LX || {{Yes|SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * add external PCIe video card for better performance |- | Gigabyte GA-MA770T UD3/UD3P || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * requires external PCIe video card |- | ASUS M2N68-AM SE2 || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{Yes|NVIDIA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|NVNET}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * connecting a disk via SATA connector is not supported at this time <br/> * add external PCIe video card for better performance |- | Gigabyte GA-H55M-S2H || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * add external PCIe video card for better performance |- |} ==== Legacy supported hardware ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="10%" |EOL ! width="35%" |Comments |- | iMica || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{Yes|GMA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || 2026-12-31 || |- | Gigabyte GA-MA770 UD3 || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(IDE)}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || 2026-12-31 || * requires external PCIe video card |- |} === Recommended hardware (64-bit) === [[#top|...to the top]] Recommended hardware is hardware that has been tested with latest release of AROS and is relatively easy to purchase second hand (ie. ebay). This hardware also comes with commitment that compatibility will be maintained with each future release. ==== Virtual Hardware ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | VirtualBox 7.x (Other/Unknown (64-bit) template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|PCNET32<br/>E1000}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- | VMware 16+ (Other64 template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|E1000}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- | QEMU 8.x ("pc" and "q35" machines) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|PCNET32}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- |} ==== Motherboards ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | ASUS P8Z68V LX || {{Yes|SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- |} ==References== [[#top|...to the top]] {{reflist}} {{BookCat}} 91szsnnmuowr1szf29psue9j01d4727 4637082 4637081 2026-05-22T19:34:37Z Jeff1138 301139 4637082 wikitext text/x-wiki {{ArosNav}} ==Introduction== This a list of computer hardware tested with mostly native AROS installs and, in the recommended sections, of virtual machines With 64bit support it is recommended 8Gb ram is needed and that SSE 4.1 and AVX are supported in the CPU i.e. from year 2012 for Intel CPUs and 2013 for AMD CPUs. They are x86-64 instruction sets designed to perform the same operations on multiple data items simultaneously, a technique known as Single Instruction, Multiple Data (SIMD). This allows for increased performance in tasks involving parallel computation. SSE 4.1 is a 128-bit SIMD instruction set, while AVX introduced 256-bit SIMD, further enhancing performance. Some apps require these features to run well, like 3D, multimedia decoding or JIT (javascript) in Odyssey web browser. If not the apps may work slower or might fail. If you have encountered differently (i.e. problems, incompatibilities, faults, annoyances, environment, errors, review of setup etc) please update this information. Please bear in mind that AROS has only a few hardware driver developers, whilst Linux counts in the tens and Windows in the hundreds. [[#Laptops]] [[#Netbook]] [[#Desktop Systems]] [[#AMD Sockets]] [[#Intel Sockets]] [[#Recommended hardware (32-bit)]] [[#Recommended hardware (64-bit)]] === Laptops === [[#top|...to the top]] * 2006/2007 Dell Latitude D-series laptops - business class machines, good support in Aros, easy to replace wifi card * 2006 some [https://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/laptops-portable-pcs/laptops-and-netbooks/toshiba-satellite-pro-a200-28550/review Satellite Pro A200] * 2008 For the tiny carry anywhere, the early run of Acer Aspire netbooks Rough estimate from taking a random laptop notebook what you can expect from a Native install of AROS {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Date ! width="5%" |Overall ! width="5%" |Gfx VESA ! width="5%" |Gfx 2D Acceleration ! width="10%" |Gfx 3D Acceleration ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Before 2002 || Poor to OK || VESA 90% || 2D 10% || {{N/A}} || Audio 10% || 40% || Wired 70% || 2% || Max RAM 512MB |- | 2002-2005 || OK || VESA 95% || 2D 10% || 3D 0% || Audio 30% || 70% || Wired 50% || 10% || Max RAM 2GB (for 32bit) |- | 2005-2012 || Good || VESA 98% || 2D 60% || 3D 30% || Audio 40% || 80% || Wired 30% || 10% || Max RAM 3Gb (32bit) to 8GB (64bit) |- | 2013-2017 || OK || VESA 98% || 2D 10% || 3D 0% || Audio 20% || 20% || Wired 20% || 0% || Max RAM 8GB / 16GB better to go Ryzen over older AMD A series |- | 2018-2024 || Poor || VESA 98% || 2D 0% || 3D 0% || Audio 20% || 0% || Wired 30% || 0% || Max RAM 32GB better 64bit option with a internal dvd drive and ethernet |- | 2025-202x || Poor || VESA 95% || 2D 0% || 3D 0% || Audio 0% || 0% || Wired 10% || 0% || Max RAM 64GB AI disruption of previous hardware |- |} 3D tests now conducted with apps found in Demos/AROS/Mesa and run at default size (may need to View As -> Show All to see them. Any laptop with Windows 7(TM) 64bit or higher install, the bios and hard drive set in uefi/gpt mode (install of AROS incompatible) Most vendor suppliers get OEM (original equipment manufacturers) to make their laptops. These brand name companies purchase their laptops from *80% ODM (Original Design Manufacturer) such as Quanta, Compal, Wistron, Inventec, Foxconn (Hon Hai), Flextronics and Asus (now Pegatron) *20% MiTAC, FIC, Arima, Uniwill, ECS, Tonfang Origin and Clevo {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" | <!--OK-->{{Yes|'''Works well'''}} || <!--May work-->{{Maybe|'''Works a little'''}} || <!--Not working-->{{No|'''Does not work'''}} || <!--Not applicable-->{{N/A|'''N/A not applicable'''}} |- |} ====Acer/Gateway/Emachines==== Company founded under the name of Multitech in Taiwan in 1976, renamed to Acer or Acer Group in 1987 Order of build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Packard Bell Aspire Extensa TimeLine Travelmate </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="2%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Travelmate 505 506 507 508 Series || <!--Chipset-->P2 Celeron 466Mhz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes|boots}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Neo Magic Magic Graph 128XD (NM2160)}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 Crystal CS}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 minimal support but no audio etc - 506T, 506DX, 507T, 507DX, 508T |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 340 342 343 345 347 || <!--Chipset-->ALi M1621 with piii || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Trident Cyber 9525 || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1969 Solo-1}} || <!--USB-->2 ALi OHCI USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->a few have Intel e100 || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2000 32bit - 340T, 341T, 342T, 342TV, 343TV, 345T, 347TV |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 350 351 352 353 || <!--Chipset-->Ali with piii || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Trident Cyber Blade DSTN/Ai1 || <!--Audio-->{{No|ali5451}} || <!--USB-->2 USB 1.1 Ali M5237 OHCI || <!--Ethernet-->e100 || <!--Wireless-->Acer InviLink IEEE 802.11b || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit very limited support but no support for PCMCIA O2 Micro OZ6933 - 350T, 351TEV, 352TEV, 353TEV |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 610 series 611 612 613 614 || <!--Chipset-->815 P3 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Intel 82815 cgc || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->Intel e100 pro || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit - 610TXVi 610T 611TXV 612TX 613TXC |- | Aspire 3003LM || SIS AMD 3000 1.8GHz || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SIS AGP M760GX (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97 SIS codec}} || 3 USB 2.0 || {{yes|SIS900}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4318 AirForce One 54g}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 sempron |- | Travelmate 2310 Series ZL6 || Intel Celeron M 360 1.4GHz with SiS 661MX || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SiS Mirage M661MX (VESA only)}} || {{yes|SIS SI7012 AC97 with realtek ALC203 codec speakers only}} || || {{yes|SIS900}} || {{N/A|LM version has pci card slot but no antenna}} || 2017 Icaros 2.1.1 || 2004 32bit - No USB boot option but boot from DVD - reports of wifi losing connection (isolate/remove the metallic grounding foil ends of the antennas) - 2312LM_L - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 3000 3002LMi 3500 5000 || <!--Chipset-->AMD CPU W-with SIS M760 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->SIS 760 || <!--Audio-->SIS || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->SIS 900 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4318 swap for Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 3050 5020 5050 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Single and Turion MK-36 Dual and RS480 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - RS482M Xpress 1100 or RS485M Xpress 1150 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek ALC883 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5006G or Broadcom BCM 4318 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit MK36 gets very hot |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 2410 2420 2430 series || <!--Chipset-->915GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel Mobile 915GMS 910GML || <!--Audio-->Intel AC97 ICH6 with ALC203 codec || <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL-8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5005GS || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 2428AWXMi - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 3610 - WISTRON MORAR 3614WLMI || <!--Chipset-->Intel 915 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|[http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=644066&postcount=13 AC97]}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL 8139 8139C+}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros AR5001X+, AR5BMB5 or Broadcom 4318}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.2.4 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit with good support [http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6205188#post6205188 wifi issues] |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 2480 series 2483 WXMi (HannStar J MV4 94V) 2483NWXCi Aspire 3680, 3690 || <!--Chipset-->940GML i943 with Celeron 430 1.77GHz - 14.1" || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D and 3D openGL 1.x - Tunnel 181 gearbox 104 scores}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC883 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|3 USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8038 yukon sky2}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 5k AR5005G AR5BMB5 mini pci}} suspect laptop hardware issues || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 Works well shame about the internet options - noisy fan - poor battery life - no boot option for TI based mass storage sd card - Max 2GB memory - LCD Inverter Board IV12090/T-LF - |- | <!--Name-->TravelMate 2490 series 2492WXMi || <!--Chipset-->940GML || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 945 2D and 3D tunnel 164 gearbox 105}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR5005GS suspect hardware issue}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - 15inch screen - strange curved up at ends keyboard style - overall plastic construction - Atheros AR5005G(s) - |- | <!--Name-->Gateway ML6227B MA7 || <!--Chipset-->Celeron M 520 1.6Ghz with 945GM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|945GM 2D and 3D tunnel 169 gearbox 132}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDA Intel with STAC9250 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8038}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|8187L but swap ath5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 15.4 ultrabrite widescreen - Wifi Switch on side Fn/F2 - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 5630-6796 6288 BL50 || <!--Chipset-->T5200 T5500 Intel® Core™2 Duo T7200 T7400 T7600 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel® GMA 950 with S-Video out with 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio with ALC883? codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 USB}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Broadcom BCM4401}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945abg swap for Atheros 5K}} || <!--Test Distro-->Tiny AROS || <!--Comments-->2006 - 64bit 39.1 cm (15.4" 1280 x 800) - 2 DDR2-SDRAM slots max 4GB - green mobo?? - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 5633WMLI BL51 || <!--Chipset-->T5500 with Intel® 945PM/GM Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia Go 7300 with 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with Realtek codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Broadcom 440x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 swap for Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Tiny Aros || <!--Comments-->2007 64 bit dual core2 - 15.4 WXGA screen - ddr2 max 4gb - OrbiCam no support - ENE chipset SD card - blue mobo?? - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 9410 9420 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core Duo with 945PM Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D NVIDIA GeForce Go 7300 - 128 MB VRAM G72M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel HD audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 8111 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945ABG but could swap with atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - 17in TFT 1,440 x 900 WXGA+ - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->eMachines E510 series KAL10 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Celeron M 560 2.13Ghz with PM965 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel x3100 || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel with codec}} || <!--USB-->Intel || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5906M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros G AR5BXB63 bios issue??}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2007 32bit very budget machine with InsydeH20 bios and F10 boot menu |- | <!--Name-->ACER Aspire 5920 5920G || <!--Chipset-->Santa Rosa Core 2 Duo T7300 T7500 later T9300 with GM965 and PM965(G) Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for X3100M or 8600M GS (rev a1) 9500M GT 256MB vram (G) but some AMD/ATI RV635 M86 HD 3650}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio with realtek alc888 codec ICH8}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5787M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel 3945ABG 4965 or Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwood test iso 2023-01 2023-11 || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit boot with 'noacpi' or 'noioapic' - 15.4in 1280 x 800 pixels 16:10 - BMW Designworks ‘Gemstone’ design - over 3.0kg with options for 8-cell or 6-cell batteries - 2 SODIMM DDR2 667MT/s max 4GB - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->Acer A0521 Ao721 || Athlon II Neo K125 + AMD M880G || {{N/A}} || {{maybe| }} || {{maybe|ATI Radeon HD 4225 (VESA only)}} || {{No|Conexant}} || {{Maybe| }} || {{no|AR8152 l1c}} || {{unk|AR9285 ath9k}} || AspireOS 1.7 || 2006 64bit possible |- | <!--Name--> Extensa 5630Z || <!--Chipset-->T6600 with Intel GL40 Express || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Yes|Intel GMA 4500M HD (2D)}} || <!--Audio--> {{Yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> {{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet--> {{No|Broadcom BCM 5764M}} || <!--Wireless--> {{No|RaLink RT2860}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit |- |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 5250 series 5253 BZ400 BZ602 || <!--Chipset-->E350 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{no|VESA 2D for AMD HD6310}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDaudio for codec Conexant CX20584}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8151}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Atheros 9k AR5B97}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire V5 V5-121 V5121 AO725 One 725 || <!--Chipset-->AMD C-70 C70 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{no|VESA for AMD 6290G}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|Realtek ALC269 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|2 x USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire V5-122P MS2377 || <!--Chipset-->C-70 C70 with M55, AMD A4-1250 or A6 1450 up to 1.4Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->AMD 8210 || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|FCH USB EHCI OHCI}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 but LAN/VGA Combo Port Cable (AK.LAVGCA 001) or MiniCP port to Acer Converter Cable (Mini CP to VGA/LAN/USB) (NP.OTH11 00C) needed}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros 9k AR9565}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit but no sse4 or avx - 26w battery internal, extension possible - 11.6in 1366 x 768 ips touchscreen - 7mm hd ssd - 2gb ddr3l soldered with 1 slot free max 4GB - bios hacking needed for virtualisation - |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell EasyNote TE69 TE69KB 522 || <!--Chipset-->slow E1-2500, E2-3800 2c2t Dual or A4-5000 4c4t Quad both soldered BGA769 (FT3) on Hudson-2 FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Use IDE mode}} setting AHCI to IDE mode - boots if UEFI set to Legacy || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for ATI Radeon 8120 8240, 8320, 8330 or 8280 islands}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio with ALC282 0x10ec, 0x0282 codec but not HDMI}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|Bios, Boot, set Boot mode to Legacy, nothing from USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8171 AR8175 or Broadcom BCM57780}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9565 0x1969 0x10a1}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aspire OS Xenon and AROS One 1.6 usb || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit with sse4.1 and AVX - 15.6in washed out screen big netbook - Boots with noacpi after using F2 to enter EFI firmware and f12 boot device - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots max 16Gb - |- | <!--Name-->ASPIRE Acer Aspire ES1-520 521 522 Series N15C4 ES1-523 || <!--Chipset-->AMD AMD E1-7010, A8-7410 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA for RADEON R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|Realtek ALC 233 or CX20752 HD AUDIO CODEC}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8151 Gigabit or Broadcom 590x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8187 or 8812BU}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit with sse4.1 and AVX - 2 ddr3l slots - keyboard connected to top case - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Nitro 5 an515-42 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD rx560x || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->aspire 3 A315-41 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->swift 3 sf315-41 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire 3 A315-23 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3020e, r3 3200u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 3, 5 A515-44-R0ZN || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 4500u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14in or 15.6" 1080p - 19v round charging - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vr0tC3QJWxk repair], 4gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->Swift 3 SF314-42 series N19C4 , Swift SF315-4 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 4500U, 7 4700U|| <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit 1080p - small round ac 19v 3.42A or usb-c - mobo FH4FR LA-J731P - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Acer Swift 3 SF314-43, Swift SF315-41 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 1080p - small round ac or usb-c - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 5 A515-45 || <!--Chipset-->r7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - asus round ac - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire 5 A515-47 || <!--Chipset-->ryzen 5 5625U, || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - asus round ac - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Asus==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Asus L8400-K Medion MD9467 || <!--Chipset-->Intel desktop 850MHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->S3 Savage MX || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS allegro 1988}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Asus L2000 L2400 L2D Series Medion 9675 || <!--Chipset-->Athlon 4 mobile || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use vesa sis630 || <!--Audio-->{{No|sis7018}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->sis900 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->x51R X51RL || <!--Chipset-->Duo T2250 T2330 with RS480 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200M]}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|boots and detects}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL-8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR5006EG AR5111 ath5k AzureWave AW-GE780 - could be ATI Chipset}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2, deadwood 2021, || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit 15.4 WXGA - 19v barrel - ESC boot select - F2 bios - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Asus R2H Ultra Mobile PC UMPC || <!--Chipset-->Celeron 900Mhz 910GML || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA900 || <!--Audio-->Ac97 ALC880 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8169 8101e || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm4fOrqyj3g boots] |- | <!--Name-->Asus A3 series A3F Ergo Ensis 211 RM || <!--Chipset-->P-M 1.6GHz to Core Duo with 950 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 945 || <!--Audio-->Ac97 ALC655 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8100CL 10/100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit only |- | <!--Name-->Z33 || <!--Chipset-->915 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->915GM || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC880 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 2915ABG || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit Z33A Z33AE N5M N5A |- | Z70A Z70V Z70Va M6A z7000 z7000a || i915 + ICH6 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|mobile 915GML}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|ICH6 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Marvell 88E8001}} || {{no|Intel PRO 2200BG Fn / F2}} || Icaros 1.3 || 2005 32bit |- | [http://www.progweb.com/en/2010/09/linux-sur-un-portable-asus-a6jm/ A6jm] A6JC || 945GM || IDE || SATA || {{yes|nVidia GeForce Go 7600 G70}} || {{no|HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|RTL8111 8168B}} || {{no|Intel 3945 ABG}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2006 32bit only |- | <!--Name-->F3Jc || <!--Chipset-->945PM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->G72M Quadro NVS 110M, GeForce Go 7300 || <!--Audio-->D audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8169 8111 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->X50GL F5GL || <!--Chipset-->T5800 with 965 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA 2d - Nvidia 8200M G84 runs hot}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio MCP79 with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|MCP79}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR5B91 AW-NE77}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2 || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit not much support no display with nouveau - 19v barrel - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS G50 & G51 series G50V G50Vt G51V G51VX G51J G51Jx G50VT X1 X5 ROG || <!--Chipset-->AMD64 with MCP71 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} || <!--Gfx-->nVidia GeForce 9800M GS (G94M) up to GT200 [GeForce GTX 260M] (G92M) || <!--Audio-->Nvidia HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros L1C atl1c}} || <!--Wireless-->Atheros G or Intel || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit not all GPUs are failing but a much higher % failing early, 8x00 and 9x00 G84, G86, G92, G94, and G96 series chips dying - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->M50V M50 series || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core 2 Duo P8400 or T9400 with Intel PM45 ICH9 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|BIOS set to compatibility IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GS or 9650M GT || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC663 || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 realtek 8169 8111C}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel 5100 or Atheros AR928X}}|| <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.0 USB || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 15.40 inch 16:10, 1680 x 1050 glossy - the "Infusion" design - heavy 3kg - ddr2 ram max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->Series F9 F9E F9dc F9f F9j F9s || <!--Chipset-->965GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio ALC660 playback}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|works}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|intel 3495 not working}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.41 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | P52F SO006X || i3-370M || IDE || SATA || {{yes|nVidia G92 [GeForce 9800 GT] (2D)}} || {{no|Intel HD Audio}} || {{yes|2 USB2.0}} || {{no|Atheros AR8121 AR8113 AR8114 (l1e)}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.3 || 2010 64bit - ddr3 slot - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Asus * X53U MB Ver K53U or K52U Asus K53U MB Ver K53U * A53U XT2 X53B MB ver: K53BY (compal) || <!--Chipset-->Slow atom like speed E-350 (2011), E-450 (2011) on AMD M780G, much slower C-50 C50 (2012), C-60 C60 on the AMD A50M dark brown plastic build || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|Set IN Bios IDE MODE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA ATi 6310M, 6320M later 6250M or 6290M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with alc269 codec Altec Lansing® Speakers}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|3 x USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|rtl8169 with RTL8111 phy}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros half height ar9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.2 and 2018 AROS One 1.6 USB || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6in 1368 x 768 dull 50% srgb screen - f2 bios setup, esc boot drive - 5200 or 7800 mAh battery covers ASUS K53S K53E X54C X53S K84L X53SV X54HR K53F X53U laptops - 2 DDR3L slots max 8Gb - 19v barrel 5.5 / 2.5 mm - |- | <!--Name-->Asus K53T, Asus A53Z X53Z || <!--Chipset-->AMD A4-3305M on AMD M780G, A6-3420M dark brown plastic build || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|Set IN Bios IDE MODE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD 6520G, 7670M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|3 x USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 with RTL8111 phy}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros half height}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6in 1368 x 768 dull 50% srgb screen - f2 bios setup, esc boot drive - 2 DDR3L slots max 8Gb - 19v barrel 5.5 / 2.5 mm - Altec Lansing® Speakers - |- | <!--Name-->X55U X401U X501U 1225B || <!--Chipset-->slow C-60 C60, C-70 C70 or E1 1200 E2 1800 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->6290G || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111 8169 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk| Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6" display - ram soldered - |- | <!--Name-->Asus A43TA A53TA K53TA XE2 A73T || <!--Chipset-->AMD A4-3300M, A6 3400M (laptop chip) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|Set IN Bios IDE MODE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA AMD Radeon HD 6520G Integrated + HD 6470M (1GB GDDR3)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - f2 bios setup, esc boot drive - |- | <!--Name-->X102BA || <!--Chipset-->Llano E1 1200 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|ide bios setting}} || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 8180 || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->RTL8101E RTL8102E || <!--Wireless-->{{unk| Qualcomm Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 10.1” Touchscreen - special asus 45w ac adapter - |- | <!--Name-->K55N, K75DE || <!--Chipset-->AMD a6 4400M A8 4500M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->AMD 7640G || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC codec none through ATi Trinity HDMI || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk| Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 17.3-inch - |- | <!--Name-->X452EA X552EA F552E || <!--Chipset-->AMD E1 2100 or A4 5000M A8 4500M A10 4600M with A || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for AMD ATI Sun XT Radeon HD 8330 8670A 8670M 8690M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AMD FCH Azalia rev 02 with ALC898 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{{Yes|Realtek RTL8111 8168 8411}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit may support avx kabini trinity - |- | <!--Name-->Asus X555Y || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-7210 A8-7410 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }}Realtek || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - silver-colored plastic - internal battery - |- | <!--Name-->Asus X555B X555DG X555S X555U X555YI X555LAB || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5-4210U to || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Intel}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with coxenant and realtek alc codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }}Realtek || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - silver-colored plastic - internal battery - |- | <!--Name-->Asus X555D || <!--Chipset-->AMD A10-8700P || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{unk|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 15.6in 1366 x 768 - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - silver-coloured plastic - internal battery - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS X555Q || <!--Chipset-->AMD® Bristol Ridge A10-9600P 7th Gen, A12-9720p || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|R5 + Radeon™ R6 M435DX Dual Graphics with VRAM GCN 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek 8821AE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - FHD 15.6 1920x1080 - 37W battery internal - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr3 slot - internal battery - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M509ba || <!--Chipset-->AMD A9-9425 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2.5" and mSATA form factors using SATA Rev 3.0 interface}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for RADEON R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 15.6in 1366 x 768 - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot max 16Gb - 19VDC 2.37A Max 45W 4.0mm x 1.35mm - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->ExpertBook P1410, ASUS ExpertBook P1 P1510CD, Expertbook Y1511CD || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 3200U, Ryzen 5 3500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->Nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for AMD}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit 14in or 15.6in 768p to 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - 19V 3.42A asus barrel connector 4.0MM X 1.35MM 4phi - |- | <!--Name-->ASUSTeK ASUS EXPERTBOOK L1 L1400CDA, L1500CDA - 19v 3.42a 4.5phi Barrel with centre pin Outer 4.5mm Inner 3mm asus special untested EXA1203XH, EXA1203YH, EXA1208UH, PA-1650-30, PA-1650-78, PA-1650-93, ADP-65GD B, ADP-65DW B (Euro) || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' Ryzen 5 3500U - '''untested''' Ryzen 3 3200U, 3250U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 Nvme m.2 slot will not boot with sata3 m.2, optional 1 sata hdd with ribbon cable, no dvd drive}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for AMD vega 3, 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio 0x15de 0x15e3 with ALC256 codec 0x10ec 0x0256}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 1 usb-c and 3 usb-a }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro-->3500U with AROS One 64bit 1.2 usb installed to m.2 sata on another machine || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit 14in or 15.6in 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - up to 8Gb ddr4 sodimm soldered on board and 1 slot - micro sd card slot on some models - 42Whr B31N1915 C31N1915 C31N2204 - hold down F2 and press power for bios setup - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ==== Dell ==== [[#top|...to the top]] Order of build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Studio Inspiron Vostro XPS Alienware Precision Latitude </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="10%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Latitude CP 233GT, CPi d233xt d266xt D300XT a366xt, CPt S400GT S500GT S550GT S600GT S700ST, CPt C333GT C400GT || <!--Chipset-->Neo Magic || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - Neo magic Magic Media 2160 2360 256ZX || <!--Audio-->{{No|crystal pnp 4237b or magic media 256zx sound nm2360}} || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit Low-Density 16-chip 144p 144-pin 32Mx64 3.3V SODIMM - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Latitude CPx H450GT H500GT H Series, CPt V433GT V466GT V600, Inspiron 5000 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 440BX with Pentium 3M (CPx) or Celeron (CPt) || <!--IDE-->{{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use Vesa - ATi Rage Pro Mobility M1}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1978 Maestro 2E Canyon 3D}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|1 slot 1.1 only}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Test Distro-->NB May 2013 || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit - 3 pin PA-6 PA6 power adapter plug - CDROM DVD Cxxx family media bay accessories untested |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C500 C600 (Quanta TM6) Inspiron 4000 7500, CPx J Series || <!--Chipset-->440BX ZX/DX || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI Rage 128Pro Mobility M3 (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|ES1983S Maestro 3i}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 1.1 only}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A|some models had mini pci e100}}|| <!--Wireless-->{{N/A|a few came with internal antenna wiring}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->1999 square 3 pin charger PA9 PA-9 - C/Dock II untested - C/Port untested - Parallel to Floppy cable untested - CPx J600GT J650GT J700GT J750GT J800GT J850GT |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C510 C610 Insprion 4100 PP01L 2600 || <!--Chipset-->i830 and 1GHz+ P3-M || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|use VESA - ATI Radeon Mobility M6}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 CS4205}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|3Com Etherlink}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|internal antenna wiring for an Atheros mini pci card}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2000 poor build quality - hard to find in good working order |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C400 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 830 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Intel 830 CGC}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ac97 Crystal 4205}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|3Com 3c905C TX/TX-M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2000 Slim for the time - no media bays |- | <!--Name-->Latitude C640 (Quanta TM8) C840 Inspiron 8k2 8200 i8200 precision m50 || <!--Chipset-->P4M with 845EP || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA if ATi - use nouveau if 64mb Nvidia Gforce 4 440 Go || <!--Audio-->AC97 CS4205 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->3com 905c || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2001 C640 had one fan so was noisy and hot - C840 had 2 fans and ran slightly cooler but fan noise louder |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | Latitude D400 || P-M 82845 || {{yes|82801 ide}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|VESA only}} || {{yes|AC97 Audio playback only}} || {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || {{maybe|PRO 100 VM (KM)}} || {{no|BCM4318 AirForce one 54g replace with atheros 5k mini pci}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit might boot from USB stick but won't boot from USB-DVD - no sd card slot - power plug style - |- | Latitude D500 / D505 PP10L, Inspiron 510m || 855GME * revA00 * revA03 * revA06 | {{yes|IDE but needs the Dell adapter}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|855GM Gfx (VESA only)}} || {{Yes|Intel AC97 with IDT STAC 9750 codec playback head phones only}} || {{maybe| }} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VE}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4306 but exchange with atheros g in panel on laptop bottom}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || 2003 - 14 / 15 inch XGA 4:3 screen - plastic build - no sd card slot - boots from bay optical drive - not powering on/off with ac adapter is a [http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=37&topicid=30585 mobo fault of PC13 SMT 1206 ceramic cap hot] suggest [http://www.die4laser.com/D505fix/ 0.1uF 50V instead] - pc2700 333Mhz ram 1Gb max - |- | Latitude D505 (some) || VIA VT8237 VX700 || {{yes|IDE}} || || {{partial|VESA 2d on ATI RV350 Radeon 9550}} || {{no|VIA AC97 with codec}} || {{maybe|VIA USB glitchy}} || {{yes|VIA VT6102 Rhine-II}} || {{no|Intel 2200g Calexico2}} || <!--Test Distro--> || 2003 32bit little support - diagnostics pressing holding the Fn key, press the Power ON button (battery removed). Check the LEDs pattern - cmos battery behind flap in laptop battery slot - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1000 || <!--Chipset-->SIS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use VESA SIS}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 SIS with AD1981B codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|SIS 900 but}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit [https://forum.level1techs.com/t/my-time-with-icaros-desktop-and-what-i-am-doing-as-a-dev-contributor-also-some-other-shit/113358 aremis using it] |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1100 PP07L || <!--Chipset-->845 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Intel 845G}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC'97 playback}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom 4401}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5 || <!--Comments-->2004 |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 8500 5150 || <!--Chipset-->P4 855GM || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia 5200 Go - VESA if intel gfx}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|MCP AC97 with SigmaTel 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom 440x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom 4306 rev 02 use Atheros Mini PCI}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit P4 runs well but hot |- | Latitude X300 PP04S small, slim and light case || 855GME * revA00 Intel ULV 1.2 Ghz * revA01 Intel ULV 1.4Ghz | {{yes|IDE internal and will boot cd/dvd through dock PR04S}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|855GM Gfx (VESA only)}} || {{Yes|Intel AC97 with STAC 97xx codec but no audio out of the dock}} || {{maybe|works but dock usb ports and usb DVD PD01S not detected}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM5705M gigabit}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4306 later intel - replace with atheros in the underside}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1, 2020 AROS One 1.6 usb, || 2003 12.1" 1024 x 768 - 19.5v PA-10 or PA-12 dell - ACPI works but bad s3 ram suspend sleep - no sd card boot - 1Gb max sodimm ddr 2700 |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D600 (Quanta JM2) PP05L - 600m || <!--Chipset-->82855 PM i855 * reva00 * revA01 * revA02 * revA03 * revA04 | <!--IDE--> {{yes}} || <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA - ATI Radeon RV250 Mobility FireGL 9000}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 - STAC 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5705}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 2100 or Broadcom BCM4306 - swap for Atheros panel in base}} || <!--Test Distro-->2011 Icaros 1.3 and [http://www.amiga.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-62187.html 1.4.1 and 2016 2.1.1] || <!--Opinion-->2003 32bit 14inch using pc2100 memory with Caps light blinking is usually a memory error - Dell D505 D600 power up pressing the case docking port - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D600 (Quanta JM2) || <!--Chipset-->82855 PM i855 || <!--IDE--> {{yes}} || <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D only vidia NV28 GeForce4 Ti 4200 Go 5200 Go 5650 Go}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 - STAC 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5705}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom BCM4306 mini pci - swap for Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.3 and [http://www.amiga.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-62187.html 1.4.1] || <!--Opinion-->2003 32bit 14" - solder joints on the bios chip (press down f7/f8 keys) - RAM clean with eraser - memory cover plate maybe apply some pressure - |- | <!--Name-->D800 (Compal LA-1901) || <!--Chipset-->Intel 855 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom 570x || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom 4309 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - trackpoint type pointing device - |- | <!--Name-->D800 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 855 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{No|Nvidia }} || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom 570x || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom 4309 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit 15inch 39cm |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1200 2200 PP10S Latitude 110L m350 1.3Ghz || <!--Chipset-->Intel 915GM || <!--IDE--> {{yes|UDMA boots cd or DVD and installs to HDisk}} || <!--SATA--> {{N/A}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA900 (2D and 3D openGL 1.x) Gearbox 56}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 playback only}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Intel PRO 100 VE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|BroadCom BCM4318 - swap for Atheros mini PCI in base panel}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.5 || <!--Comments-->2005 single core 32bit 14" 4:3 1024 768 XGA screen - heavy 6 lbs - PA16 barrel 19V 3.16A AC adapter - battery life 4cell 29WHr lasts 2 hours - 256mb soldered with 1 ddr pc2100 sodimm 1gb max - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1300 business B130 home PP21L Latitude 120L B120 by Compal - Inspiron 630m || <!--Chipset-->Intel Celeron M360 1.4GHz, M370 1.50 GHz, M380 1.73GHz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes|boots cd or DVD and installs to HDisk}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 915 2D and 3D openGL 1.x tunnel 172 gearbox 70}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio playback ear phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|works but waiting boot fail with AROS One usb version}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom 440x}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|intel 2200 or BCM4318 swap for Atheros mini pci underside - one antenna lead for main wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.2, 2020 AROS One 1.6 usb, || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit single core - 14.1″ XGA 4:3 or 15.4" WXGA wide 1280 x 800 matte - ddr2 sodimm ram 2gb max - PA-16 19v psu tip 7.4mm * 5mm - f10 boot select f1 f2 bios |- | Latitude X1 PP05S || PP-M GMA915 rev A00 1.1GHz non-pae || {{yes|ide 1.8in zif/ce under keyboard}} || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|Vesa for Intel 915GM}} || {{yes|AC97 6.6 playback only with STAC codec}} || {{maybe|USB 2.0 but partial boot to blank screen}} || {{No|Broadcom 5751}} || {{no|Intel 2200BG - swap for Atheros mini pci under keyboard palm rest - disassembly of all laptop}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 dvd iso image virtualbox'd onto usb, Aros One 1.5 and 1.8 usb (2022) || 2005 32bit 12.1" 4:3 1024 x 768 - sd slot not bootable - 256mb soldered to board and 1 sodimm max 1GB ddr2 under keyboard - F12 bios boot F2 - pa-17 pa17 19v octagonal psu port |- | Latitude D410 PP06S *rev A00 *A01, A02 *A03 || GMA915 1.6GHz Pentium® M 730, 1.7GHz, 750 1.86GHz & 760 2.0GHz, 770 2.13GHz || {{yes|caddy and adapter needed 2.5" - remove hdd and write}} || {{N/A}} || {{Yes|Intel 915GM 2D and 3D OpenGL 1.3 tunnel 170 and gearbox 75}} || {{yes|AC97 playback only with STAC 9751 codec}} || {{maybe|works but will not boot from USB-DVD or AROS One 1.5 usb version}} || {{No|Broadcom 5751}} || {{no|Intel 2915ABG or later 2200BG - swap for Atheros mini pci under keyboard}} || <!--Test Distro-->2015 Icaros 1.4, 2016 2.1.1 and AROS One 1.5 usb, || 2005 32bit 12.1" 4:3 1024 x 768 - no sd card slot - PR06S dock base |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D510 (Quanta DM1) || <!--Chipset-->915GM socket 479 || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 915 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 STAC 975x}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG swap Atheros mini pci in base}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 14.1" 32bit single core Intel Celeron M 1.6GHz Pentium M 730 1.73Ghz - squarish 3:2 - issues with 3rd party battery 4 quick flashes of red led with 1 final green |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D610 (Quanta JM5B) PP11L || <!--Chipset-->910GML 915GM with mobile 1.6 to 2.26ghz * Rev A0x * Rev A0x * Rev A07 1.73Ghz | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 915 2D and 3D tunnel 174 gearbox 74}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 speaker head phones playback only with stac codec}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 2200BG or Broadcom mini pci under keyboard, swap wifi card for atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 14" 1024 x 768 - very noisy clicky trackpad buttons - one dimm slot under keyboard and other in underside 2GB 533Mhz 667Mhz DDR2 max - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D610 (Quanta JM5B) 0C4717 REV A05, 0K3879 REV.A00 || <!--Chipset-->915GM || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA 2d - Ati X300 no radeon 2d}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom NetXtreme 57xx Gigabit replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG mini pci use Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 14" 1024 x 768 - very noisy clicky trackpad buttons - 19.5v psu |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D810 (Quanta ) || <!--Chipset-->915GM || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA 2d - Ati X300 RV370 M22 later x600}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 stereo playback only idt 9751 codec}} || <!--USB--> {{maybe|USB 2.0 but no boot from usb on 1.5}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom NetXtreme 57xx Gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG mini pci replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.1, aros one 1.5 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 15.4" F12 one time boot menu - 19.5v 90w psu ideal - battery not same as later dx20 ones - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 6000 6400, E1505 PP20L *A00 Pentium M *A0? Core Duo || <!--Chipset-->GM945 with PM 1.73Ghz, T2050 or T2060 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|vesa 2d - Ati 9700, x1300 RV515 M52, x1400 or nvidia go 7300 on mxm board}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio IDT 9200}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|usb boot }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom BCM4401 B0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200 3945 - swap for Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1, AROS One 1.6 || <!--Comments-->2006 mostly 32bit - 15.4 inch glossy - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots - broadcom bcm92045 bluetooth detected but no support - 19.5v dell psu socket - f2 bios setup, f12 boot order - |- | <!--Name-->Inspirion E1705 9200 9300 9400 PP12L PP14L || <!--Chipset-->945GM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->proprietary Dell card/socket format Nvidia 6800, ati X300 or nVidia 7900GS gpu 3d corrupt || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401}} || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 swap with Atheros 5k mini pcie || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=6481 increasing vertical lines issues] 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Studio XPS M1210 || <!--Chipset-->GM945 with Core Duo to intel C2D T5500, T7400 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->nVidia G72M 7300 7400m || <!--Audio-->HD Audio IDT 92xx || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401 B0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4311 - swap for Atheros 5k mini pci-e}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit - 2 ddr2 slots max 4Gb - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 1501 PP23LA Latitude 131L || <!--Chipset-->AMD Sempron 1.8GHz Turion MK-36 or X2 1.6Ghz TL-50 or TL-56 on ATI RS480 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA 2d - ATI 1150 (x300) RS482M Mobility Radeon Xpress 200}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with stac 92xx codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom bcm 4401}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bcm4311 replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5 || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit 15.4 inch matt 16:10 1280x800 WXGA - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 6400 (Quanta FM1) *A00 Pentium M *A0? Core Duo *A08 Core2 Duo || <!--Chipset-->GM945 with BGA479 (socket M) T2050 1.6Ghz, T2060 1.60Ghz, T2080 1.73Ghz much later T5500 1.66Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 2D and 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with IDT 92xx codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Broadcom BCM4401 B0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4311 swap for Atheros 5k mini pci-e under keyboard}} || <!--Test Distro-->deadwood 2019-04-16 iso || <!--Comments-->2006 mostly 32bit - 15.4" glossy - sd card - front multimedia keys - dvd rw - generic dell keyboard - coin cr2032 bios battery under keyboard - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 640m PP19L XPS M140 e1405 || <!--Chipset-->Core Solo T2050, T2300 Duo 1.83GHz T2400 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio IDT || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM4401-B0 100Base || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 or Broadcom 43xx, swap for Atheros 5k - Wireless Internet ON or OFF press the Function key + F2}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32 bit - 12.1 LCD CCFL WXGA 1280x800 up to 14.1 inch 16:10 1440x900 pixel, WXGA+ UltraSharp - supports also SSE3 on duos - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D420 (Compal LA-3071P) PP09S || <!--Chipset-->945 * revA00 Solo 1.2Ghz ULV U1400 * revA01 Duo 1.06Ghz u2500 * revA02 Duo 1.2Ghz | <!--IDE-->{{yes|ZIF/CE 1.8" slow under battery, ribbon cable}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA950 - 2D and 3D opengl tunnel 138 gearbox 103}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with STAC 92xx playback speakers head phones only)}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|2 and external usb optical drive works}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 mini pcie - swap Atheros 5k in base panel}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros Desktop 1.4 || <!--Opinion-->2006 32bit only - 12.1" 1280x800 - PR09S dock base rev02 DVD-RW usb boots - 1GB DDR2 2Rx16 max in base panel - f2 setup f5 diagnostics f12 boot list - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D520 PP17L || <!--Chipset--> * 64bit rev A01, A02 945GM Core2 Duo 1.83Ghz to 2.3Ghz * 32bit rev A00, A01 940GML Solo later Duo T2400 | <!--IDE-->{{yes| Philips SDR089, Philips CDD5263, TEAC DW224EV, Optiarc AD-5540A, HL-DL-ST GSAT21N, TSSTcorp TS-L632D}} || {{Yes|bios sata set to ide mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 900 series 2D and OpenGL1 3D tunnel 210 gearbox 153 teapot 27}} || {{Yes|HD audio with STAC 9200 codec}} || {{Yes|Boots and detects USB2.0}} || {{Yes|Broadcom 4400}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4312 BCM4321 Dell 1390 / 1490 mini pcie - easy to replace with atheros 5k in base panel}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4 and 2.2 and both AROS One 1.8 and AROS One x64 1.1 USB boot || 2006 mostly 64bit 4:3 aspect ratio 14.1 (XGA 1024x768) or later 15 inches (XGA+ 1400 by 1050) - F2 enter bios F12 choose boot - 19.5v dell tip pa-12 charger - bios coin cell cr2032 battery socketed in base panel - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D620 (Compal LA-2792) PP18L || <!--Chipset-->945GMS * rev A00 all Core Duo's 32 bit * rev A0x all Core 2 Duo's 64 bit | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 950 (2D and 3D tunnel gearbox opengl1 || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio playback}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 3945 mini pcie swap with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->AspireOS Xenon || <!--Opinion-->2006 64bit AROS capable with later revisions - 14" 1280 x 800 |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D620 || <!--Chipset-->Intel i945 * revA00 all Core Duo's 32 bit * revA01 all Core 2 Duo's 64 bit | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia 7300, 7600 NVS 110M G72 || <!--Audio-->{{dunno|HD Audio with STAC 9200 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless--> {{dunno}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2007 1440x900 screen - LA-2792P Rev.2.0 - DT785 UC218 Fan/ Heatsink (64bit) - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D820 (Quanta JM6) || <!--Chipset-->945GMS 940GML * rev A00 * rev A01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and 3D tunnel 195 - 100? gearbox 156}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with STAC 9200 playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|BCM4310 replace with mini pcie atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Opinion-->2007 widescreen 15 inch 1280 x 800 matte - - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D820 (Quanta JM) || <!--Chipset-->945GMS 940GML * revA00 * revA01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Nvidia NVS 110M 120M G72}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio STAC 9200}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|BCM4310 swap with Atheros 5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit 15.4 1650x1050 WXGA or WSXGA+ or 1920x1200 WUXGA - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Latitude D531 15" || <!--Chipset-->AMD Turion X2 TL56 or TL60 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Use VESA - ATi xpress X1270}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with IDT codec || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 57xx}} || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 or Dell Wireless 1390, 1505 or BCM4311 mini pcie || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit possible - no trackpoint - fails and goes wrong often - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D430 PP09S || <!--Chipset-->945 with Core2 Duo C2D U7500 1.06GHz U7600 1.2GHz U7700 1.33GHz * rev A00 * rev A01 * rev A02 | <!--IDE-->ZIF PATA IDE 1.8inch under battery and ribbon cable - slow use USB instead || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|945GML 2D and 3D opengl 1.x 171 tunnel 105 gearbox}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|STAC 92xx HD Audio speaker and ear phone - mono speaker}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5752}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 4965 AGN or 3945 ABG mini pci-e underside with Atheros 5k mini pci-e}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aspire 1.8 || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit capable - sd card not supported - 19.5v PA12 power adapter - 12.1" 1280x800 matte - f2 setup f5 diagnostics f12 boot list - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D530 || <!--Chipset-->GM965 + ICH8 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{partial|nVidia Quadro NVS 135M 2D 3d glitches G86}} || <!--Audio-->{{partial|HD Audio with STAC 9205 head phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5755M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 3945ABG swap with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.5 || <!--Comments-->2007 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=6481 ] cool air intake from underneath needed with pa-10 or pa-3e 90w psu required - standard 4:3 ratio aspect screen - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D630 (Compal LA-3301P) PP18L || <!--Chipset-->GM965 + ICH8 T7250 2.0Ghz T7300 * revA00 * revA01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA X3100 (2D only, no external monitor)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio STAC 9205 but speaker and head phones}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB 2.0}}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5755M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom BCM4312 swap with pci-e Atheros 5k under keyboard}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit possible - F12 to choose boot option - 2 ddr2 sodimm max 4G - 4400mah 48Wh battery lasts 2 hours - 6600mah 73Wh lasts just over 3 hours |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D630 || <!--Chipset-->GM965 + ICH8 * revA00 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=6481 ] GPU heatpad, no copper * revA01 0DT785 heatsink | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{partial|IDE mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{partial|use VESA as nVidia NVS 135M 3d corrupts 0.7 tunnel 0.25 gearbox G86}} || <!--Audio-->{{partial|HD Audio with STAC 9205 head phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5755M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 3945ABG swap with Atheros 5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.5 || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D830 || <!--Chipset-->965GM with Core2 * revA00 * revA01 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GM965 crestline 2d and 3d tunnel 115}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|replace with Atheros 5k mini pcie}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros || <!--Comments-->2007 15 inch 1280 x 900 but updating the LCD to WXGA or WSXGA+ could be better - 2 ddr2 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude D830 || <!--Chipset-->ICH8, Core2 DUO T7800 @ 2.60GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->Intel ICH8M Serial ATA || <!--Gfx-->nVidia Quadro NVS 140M G86 || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with STAC 92XX codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom NetXtreme 57xx Gigabit || <!--Wireless-->Intel Wireless 4965AGN swap with Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.03 || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 15." - FN,F2 or FN,F8 or FN,F12 |- | <!--Name-->XPS M1710 || <!--Chipset-->945PM with T2400 T2600 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->proprietary Dell card socket format GTX 7950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with STAC 92XX codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 1000 or Broadcom BCM5752 || <!--Wireless-->Intel swap with Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 64bit || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 17.3" workstation type WXGA+ screen 1920x1200 - 2 ddr-2 667Mhz sodimm slots, |- | <!--Name-->XPS M1730 || <!--Chipset-->965 with T7200 T7600 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GTX 7950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with STAC 92XX codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 1000 || <!--Wireless-->Intel swap with Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit 17" workstation type WXGA+ screen manufactured by AU Optronics poor viewing angles, unevenly lit, light leakage, 2 ddr-2 800Mhz slots, |- | <!--Name-->Latitude E6410 P27LA, E6510 PP30LA, E6310 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5-520M to i7-620M i7 820QM but no sse4.1 or AVX || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|NVidia NVS 3100M GT218 2D but 3D through external monitor}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio IDT 92HD81}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom or Intel 6200AGN or Link 6300}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3 || <!--Comments-->2010 64 bit - 14.1” WXGA+ up to 15.6in 15.6” FHD 1080p - 2 ddr3l 1333Mhz max 8Gb - 90w dell charger - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron M5030 || <!--Chipset-->rev A01 AMD V120, V140 rev A0? V160 M880G || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA RS880M Radeon HD 4225, 4250}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with ALC269q codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8152 v2}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - DDR3 sodimm - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->E6420 E6520 ATG semi ruggized XFR || <!--Chipset-->sandy bridge i5 2520M 2540M or duo I7 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|set to Bios UEFI mode AHCI}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Intel HD 3000 with optional fermi Nvidia NVS 4200M GF119}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with IDT 92HD90 BXX codec but not HDMI codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6205}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.03 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit 15.6in - fan exhausts a lot of hot air when cpu taxed - VGA if Bios ATA set and Vesa only with Bios ACHI set - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron M5040 || <!--Chipset-->slow amd E450, later C-50 C50 or C-60 C60 with A50M chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|non efi sata in IDE mode but base plastic difficult to remove for access}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA AMD Radeon 6320, 6250 or 6290}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio IDT}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8105E VB 10/100}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 icaros 2.1.1 and AROS USB 1.6 || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit 15INCH 1388 X 768 - f2 bios setup, f12 boot order - under removable keyboard via 4 top spring loaded catches is 1 ddr3l sodimm max 8gb and wifi - |- | Latitude e6230 E6330 E6430 || i3 3320M 3350M 2.8 GHz i5 3360M i7 3520M || {{N/A}} || {{partial|non RAID mode}} || {{partial|Intel HD 4000 (VESA only)}} || {{no|HD Audio}} || {{partial|Intel USB 3.0 (USB 1.1 2.0 only)}} || {{No|Intel 82579LM Gigabit}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313}} || <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2014 09-27 || 2013 64bit Ivy Bridge - 12.5-inch 13.3-inch 14-inch screen - not great support, better under hosted - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Latitude 3330 || <!--Chipset-->Core i3 – 2375M to i5 – 3337U, Intel® Core i3 – 3227U, Celeron 1007U on HM77 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d for intel Hd 2000 3000 vga hdmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio with IDT 92HD93 Controller codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.0 (2), USB 2.0 PowerShare capable }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwood usb3 test iso || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit, 13.3” HD 1366X768 16:9, 2 ddr3l slots max 8Gb, 720p HD video webcam, |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 15 5565 5567 AMD versions, Inspiron 3595 || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9200u A9-9400 9425 A12-9700P Bristol Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->Radeon R5 R8 GCN 3 || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{partial| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit AVX2 - 15.6in 768p or 900p - there are intel versions avoid - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Latitude 5495, Inspiron 15 3585 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2300U 2500U 2700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|NVMe or optional 2.5in sata if caddy and ribbon cable}} || <!--Gfx-->Radeon Vega 3 or 7 || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3246 aka ALC295 0x10ec, 0x0295 or ALC3263 aka ALC 0x10ec, 0x0 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14.0" FHD WVA 1080p (16:9) 220 nits or HD 768p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 32gb - 68whr battery with 2pin cmos bios coin - DC 19.5V 4.62A (90W) or 19.5V 3.34W (65W) 5.0mm x 7.4mm PA12 charging adapter - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 3505, Vostro 3515 || <!--Chipset-->athlon 300u, Ryzen 3250u (2c4t) 3450u 3500u 3700u (4c8t), Athlon Silver (2c2t) Gold (2c4t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|up to 2 nvme with optional 2.5in sata ribbon connector}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 8, 10}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|Realtek ALC3204, Cirrus Logic CS8409 (CS42L42 and SN005825)}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|RTL 8106E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8723DE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64-bit - 15.6inch - 2 ddr4 sodimm max 16G - avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 5485 2-in-1 || <!--Chipset-->athlon 300u, Ryzen 3250u (2c4t) 3450u 3500u 3700u (4c8t), Athlon Silver (2c2t) Gold (2c4t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 8, 10}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|Realtek ALC3204}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8723DE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64-bit - 14inch - 2 ddr4 sodimm max 16G - avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude 3500, 3310, 3410, 3510, || <!--Chipset-->Intel Celeron-4205U, Pentium-5405U, Core i5 (8th Gen) i3-8145U, 8265U, i5-8365U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2D for Intel UHD Graphics 610 or 620 hdmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|Realtek ALC}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 usb-c usb-a}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111H}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14in or 15.6in 768p to 1080p 220nits - 65w - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - rtc cr2032 cmos 2 pin - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron 5405 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 4500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->One M.2 2230/2280 nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3204 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14" 1080p - dell round ac 19.50 VDC 4.50 mm x 2.90 mm 65W(19.5V-3.34A) round 4.5mm tip - |- | <!--Name-->Vostro 5415, Inspiron 5515 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 5300U, Ryzen 5 5500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 14" or 15.6in - avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use or use dell round ac 65W 4.5MM x 3.0MM - replacing keyboard not easy - 1 ddr4 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Vostro 3425, Vostro 3525, Vostro 5625 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 5425U, Ryzen 5 5625U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB4}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 14in 15.6" to 16" FHD 1080p - dell round ac 65w 4.5MM x 3.0MM or avoid knocking usb-c charging whilst in use - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Inspiron 15 Model 3535, Inspiron 14 7435 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 7520U, AMD Ryzen 5 7530U, 7 7730U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{No| hdmi 1.4 but no gpmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2024 64bit - 14.0" or 15.6" 1080p - dell round ac 65w 4.5MM x 3.0MM or usb-c charging - full sd card slot - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |} ====Fujitsu-Siemens==== [[#top|...to the top]] Order of build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Amilo Esprimo Lifebook </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu [http://www.labri.fr/perso/fleury/index.php?page=bug_transmeta FMV-Biblo Loox S73A (Japan P1100) LifeBook P1120 Biblo Loox T93C (Japan P2120) P2020] || <!--Chipset-->Transmeta Crusoe CPU TM5600 633MHz with Ali M1535 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->ATI Rage Mobility M with 4MB SDRAM || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 Ali M1535 + STAC9723 Codec}} || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 only || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1999 32bit 10" 1280 x 600 matte LCD - QuickPoint IV mouse - metal chassis with palm rest plastic - 15GB 2.5 inch drive and SR 8175 8X DVD-ROM drive - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook S7000 S7010 S7010D S2020 || <!--Chipset-->Pentium M 1.6 or 1.7GHz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - Intel 855}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|AC97 with STAC 9751T or 9767 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros, Broadcom or Intel 2200BG - FN,F10}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit 14.1 inch with minimal support |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook e8010 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Intel 855GM}} || <!--Audio-->AC97 STAC9767 or ALC203 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom NetXtreme BCM5705M}} || <!--Wireless-->Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3.1 || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit 15.1 inch |- | <!--Name-->Stylistic ST5000 ST5010 ST5011 ST5012 ST5020 ST5021 ST5022 || <!--Chipset-->1.0GHz P-M and later 1.1GHz on Intel 855GME || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Intel 800 use VESA || <!--Audio-->Intel AC97 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM5788 tg3 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200BG}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit charged via a proprietary port power connector 16V 3.75A with wacom serial pen interface - indoor Screen transmissive 10.1 and later 12.1 XGA TFT - |- | <!--Name-->Amilo Pro V2010 || <!--Chipset-->VIA CN400 PM880 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{No|S3 unichrome use VESA}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|VIA AC97 VT8237 with codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Rhine 6102 6103 || <!--Wireless-->RaLink RT2500 || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit boot mount - unknown bootstrap error then crashes |- | <!--Name-->Amilo Li 1705 CN896 || <!--Chipset--> with VIA P4M900 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE}} || <!--Gfx-->ATi || <!--Audio-->{{No|VIA VT8237 HD Audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->VT82xx 62xx || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|VIA Rhine}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros G}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit random freezes |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> Esprimo Mobile V5535 Skt mPGA 478MN | <!--Chipset--> | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE and EIDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{maybe|IDE mode with SIS 5513}} | <!--Gfx--> {{maybe|SiS 771 / 671 (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|HD Audio SIS968 SIS966 SI7012 with ALC268 codec}} | <!--USB--> {{no|USB 1.1 and 2.0 issues}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|SiS 191 gigabit}} | <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros AR5001 mini pci express}} | <!--Test Distro-->aros one 1.5 usb | <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 20v barrel - f2 setup f12 multi boot - random freezing short time after booting - chipset SIS 671MX - |- | <!--Name-->Amilo SI 1520 1521p || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 2D}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio Conexant codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Intel Pro 100}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.4.2 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit - Set Bios option ATA Control Mode to Compatible |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook S7020 S7020D || <!--Chipset--> Pentium M 740 1.73MHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 915 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC260 codec || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM5751M Gigabit || <!--Wireless-->Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG or Atheros 5k || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Stylistic ST5030 ST5031 ST5032 || <!--Chipset-->1 to 1.2GHx Pentium M with 915GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Intel 900 || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Marvell || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit charged via a proprietary port power connector 6.0 x 4.4 mm round - 200 pin ddr2 ram |- | <!--Name-->Stylistic ST5110 ST5111 ST5112 || <!--Chipset-->945GM with 1.2GHz Core Duo and Core2 Duo || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 900 || <!--Audio-->HD audio with STAC9228 codec || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 ABG or optional atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 either 32 or 64 bit - charged via a proprietary port power connector 6.0 x 4.4 mm round - SigmaTel® touchscreen - |- | <!--Name-->E8110 S7110 E8210 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|945GM}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC262 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8055 Gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel PRO Wireless 3945ABG}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit Core Duo |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || CHIPSET || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Lifebook PH521 || <!--Chipset-->AMD E-350 E-450 1.65GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->HD 6310M 6320M || <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC269 || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 802.11 bgn}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6 inch 1366x768 pixels - DDR3 1066MHz - |- | <!--Name-->LIFEBOOK E752/E782/S752/S782 || <!--Chipset--> with Intel Core i3-2328M to i3-3110M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82579V 1000 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel Wireless 6205 may be able to swap for Atheros 5k }} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 64bit || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====HP Compaq==== [[#top|...to the top]] Build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Presario Pavilion Omnibook ProBook Armada Elitebook </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->1c00 series Compaq Presario [http://users.utu.fi/sjsepp/linuxcompaqarmada100s.html Armada 100S made by Mitac], 1247 || <!--Chipset-->K6-II with PE133 MVP-4 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA - Trident Blade3D AGP sp16953 || <!--Audio-->VIA ac'97 audio [rev20] with AD1881A codec || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|usual VIA issues [rev10]}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit 192MB max - PCcard Texas PC1211 no support - 1200 XL1 1200-XL1xx, XL101, XL103 XL105 XL106 XL109 XL110 XL111 XL116 XL118 XL119 XL125 |- | <!--Name-->1c01 series Armada 110, Evo N150 || <!--Chipset-->Intel with VIA PLE133 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - Trident Cyber Blade i1 chipset || <!--Audio-->VIA 686 rev20 82xxx 686a || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 82557 Pro 100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit max 192mb sodimm 100Mhz 133Mhz ram memory - 1200-XL405A 12XL405A XL502A 12XL502A 1600XL |- | Armada M300 M700 E500 || 440BX || {{Yes| }} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|ATI Rage LT M1 Mobility (VESA only)}} || {{no|AC97 ESS Maestro 2E M2E ES1987 sound}} || {{yes|USB1.1 only}} || {{No|[http://perho.org/stuff/m300/index_en.html Intel PRO 100+ Mini PCI]}} || {{N/A}} || Aspire OS 2012, Nightly 30-01 2013 and 04-05 2013 || 1999 32bit - F10 bios options and Fn+F11 reset CMOS with 64mb ram already on board |- | <!--Name-->HP Omnibook XE3 || <!--Chipset-->Intel BX 600Mhz GC model 256mb or AMD GD 500Mhz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA - S3 Inc. 86C270 294 Savage IX-MV (rev 11) || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1988 Allegro 1 (rev 12)}} || <!--USB-->Intel 82371AB PIIX4 USB (rev 01) || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit no cardbus pcmcia support - no audio from Polk Audio Speakers - |- | <!--Name-->HP Omnibook XE3 || <!--Chipset-->82830 ICH3 P3-M 750MHz 800Mhz 900MHz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - CGC 830MG}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ESS ES1988 Maestro 3i}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|only one 1.1 port}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|e100 82557}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A|}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.51 || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit Boots USB Stick via Plop boot floppy - Memory for GF 256-512mb, GS up 1GB |- | <!--Name-->TC1000 TC-1000 Tablet PC || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA NV11 [GeForce2 Go] (rev b2) || <!--Audio-->VIA AC97 Audio (rev 50) || <!--USB-->OHCI NEC USB 2.0 (rev 02) || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 82551 QM (rev 10) || <!--Wireless-->Atmel at76c506 802.11b || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit Transmeta LongRun (rev 03) with VT82C686 - Texas Instruments TI PCI1520 PC card Cardbus |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq R3000 ZV5000 (Compal LA-1851) || <!--Chipset-->Nvidia nForce 3 with AMD CPU || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia NV17 [GeForce4 420 Go 32M] || <!--Audio-->Nvidia || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom or Realtek RTL8139 || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4303 BCM4306 or Atheros bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - HPs have a setting to automatically disable wireless if a wired connection is detected |- | <!--Name-->Compaq [http://www.walterswebsite.us/drivers.htm Presario 700 series] || <!--Chipset-->VT8363 VT8365 [Apollo Pro KT133 KM133] || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VT8636A (S3 Savage TwisterK) (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|VIA AC97 [rev50] with AD1886 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|VIA UHCI USB 1.1 [rev1a]}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RealTek RTL8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom BCM4306}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit poor consumer grade level construction - jbl audio pro speakers - no support for cardbus pcmcia TI PCI1410 - 700A EA LA UK US Z 701AP EA BR FR 701Z 702US 703US AP JP audio sp18895 Sp19472 |- |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | N400c || P3-M 82845 || {{yes|82801 CAM IDE U100}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Rage Mobility 128 (VESA only)}} || {{No|Maestro 3 allegro 1}} || {{yes|USB1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VM (KM)}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit Has no optical disc drive |- | N410c || P3-M 82845 || {{yes|82801 CAM IDE U100}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Radeon Mobility M7 LW 7500 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|Intel AC97 with AD1886 codec}} || {{yes|USB1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VM (KM)}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit Has no optical disc drive |- | Evo N600c || Pentium 4 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI Radeon Mobility M7 (VESA only)}} || {{No|ESS ES1968 Maestro 2}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.3 || 2003 32bit |- | Evo N610c || Pentium 4 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI Radeon Mobility M7 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|Intel ICH AC97 with AD1886 codec}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || |- | N800c || P4 || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI Radeon Mobility 7500 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2003 32bit P4M CPU can get very warm |- | <!--Name-->NX7010 || <!--Chipset-->Intel || <!--IDE-->{{yes|IDE}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI mobility 7500 or 9000 Radeon 9200 64MB (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 ADI codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|uhci (1.1) and ehci (2.0)}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200b bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Preasrio V5000 (Compal LA-2771) || <!--Chipset-->AMD Sempron 3000+ or Turion ML with SB400 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - Ati RS480M Xpress 200}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 ATI with Conexant CX 20468 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8100 8101L 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|bcm4318 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2004 64bit single core machine V5001 V5002 V5002EA V5003 |- | <!--Name-->TC1100 TC-1100 Tablet PC || <!--Chipset-->855PM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia Geforce4 Go || <!--Audio-->AC97 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|BCM 4400}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros wlan W400 W500 or ? bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit |- | <!--Name-->NC6000 NC8000 NW8000 || <!--Chipset-->855PM with Pentium M 1.5 1.6 1.8GHz 2.0GHz || <!--IDE-->max 160 GB for NW 8000 || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Ati RV350 mobility 9600 M10 Fire GL T2 ISV use VESA 2D as no laptop display}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel AC97 with ADI codec playback only}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|2 ports}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM 5705M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|mini pci Atheros 5212 BG W400 W500 or Intel - all bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 based [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=41916&forum=47 works] - Firewire TI TSB43AB22/A - 8 pound 2.5 kg travel weight - an SD slot as well as two PC Card slots - 15-inch UXGA screen (1,600 x 1,200) or 15" SXGA+ (1400 x 1050) (4:3 ratio) |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Compaq NC6110 NX6110 NC6120 NC6220 NC4200 NC8200 TC4200 || <!--Chipset-->GMA 915GML || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D GMA 900}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 with ADI AD1981B playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|440x or BCM 5705M or 5751M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel IPW 2200 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5.2 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit Sonoma based - Wifi with Atheros AR5007eg if apply hacked bios RISKY else use USB one - (INVENTEC ASPEN UMA MV) (INVENTEC ASPEN DIS PV) - |- | <!--Name-->Compaq C500 CTO aka HP G7000 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 945GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with realtek ALC262 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom BCM 4311 bios locked || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->HP DV6000 || <!--Chipset-->945GMS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio IDT 92HD 91B || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel PRO 100 VE || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32 bit only - Mosfet FDS6679 common cause of shorts giving no power to the tip. To reset adapter, unplug from AC (mains) and wait 15-30 sec. Then plug in again - |- | Presario F700 series, HP G6000 f730us F750 F750us F755US F756NR F765em || AMD Turion Mono MK-36 2.0Ghz NForce 560m or Twin X2 TK-55 with nForce 610m MCP67 || {{N/A| }} || {{Yes|but needs special sata adapt bit and caddy}} || {{Yes|GF Go 7000m 2D and 3D 640x350 to 1280x800 - ball solder issues due to poor cooling}} || {{Maybe| }} || {{Maybe|uhci and ehci boots}} || {{No|Nvidia }} || {{Yes|Atheros AR5007 bios locked}} || Icaros 1.3.1 and Aros One 1.6 USB || 2006 64bit - f9 boot device f10 bios setup - random freezes after a minutes use means internal ventilation maintenance needed each year essential - No sd card and overall limited phoenix bios options - |- | <!--Name-->Presario v6604au v6608au V3500 || <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA MCP67M with AMD Athlon64 X2 TK 55 amd 1.8ghz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|SATA 150}} || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA GeForce Go 7150M 630i or C67 630M MCP67 || <!--Audio-->conexant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia or Realtek 10/100 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom 4311 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit Altec Lansing Stereo Speakers - ball solder issues - |- | <!--Name-->Compaq presario v6610 v6615eo v6620us || <!--Chipset-->Turion 64 X2 mobile TK-55 / 1.8 GHz to athlon 64x2 @ 2.4ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|SATA 150}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|geforce 7150 or 7300m 2d and 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AMD HD Audio with IDT codec stereo playback only}} || <!--USB-->3 OHCI EHCI || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3 - || <!--Comments-->2007 [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=40956&forum=48 works well] - 1 x ExpressCard/54 - SD Card slot - AO4407 test voltage of the Drain side (pins 5-8) with AC adapter and no battery, see 0 volts, connect the battery you should have 10-14v - |- | <!--Name-->v6630em v6642em || <!--Chipset-->nForce 630M with AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-58 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA GeForce 6150M or 7150M || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 15.4 in 1280 x 800 ( WXGA ) - |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq NC6400 || <!--Chipset-->945GM Core Duo || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|GMA 950 2D issues and no 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio AD1981HD}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|BCM }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros || <!--Comments-->2007 - replaced with Atheros AR5007eg if apply hacked bios RISKY else use USB g - * 32bit Core Duo T2400 * 64bit Core 2 Duo T5600 T7600 |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq NV NC6400 || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo + 945PM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Radeon x1300M (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with ADI1981 low volume}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|BCM 5753M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 ABG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.4.2 || <!--Opinion-->2007 Harmon Kardon speakers |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq NC6320 || <!--Chipset-->945GM with * 32bit Core Duo 1.83GHz T2400 * 64bit Core2 Duo 1.83GHz T5600 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 950 2D with a little 3D tunnel 213}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD Audio with AD1981HD codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|BCM 5788}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2 || <!--Comments-->2007 replaced with Atheros AR5007eg if applying hacked wifi bios RISKY!! else use USB - 14.1" or 15 inch XGA 1024x768 - noisy cpu fan for core2 - trackpad rhs acts as window scroller - |- | <!--Name-->HP NC4400 TC4400 Tablet || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo with 82945 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|bios F.07 limits to 100GB 120GB}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|2D and 3D 282 tunnel and gearbox 150}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ADI 1981HD codec via ear phones}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|BCM 5753M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 or BCM 4306 - Whitelist BIOS F.0C needed but risky}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->2008 64 bit possible with Core2 - TI SD card reader non bootable - wacom serial digitiser pen not working - * 32bit 1.86GHz core duo * 64bit 2Ghz T7200, 2.16Ghz Core 2 Duo T7600 2.33GHz |- | <!--Name-->HP Pavilion DV2000 CTO || <!--Chipset-->945GMS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950, X3100, Nvidia 8400M || <!--Audio-->HD Audio Conexant CX 20549 Venice || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia MCP51 || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM 4311 or Intel 3945 4965 ABG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 Atheros AR5007eg if apply hacked bios RISKY |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Presario C700 || <!--Chipset-->GMA960 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->X3100 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139 || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros AR5007 AR5001 AR242x}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 |- | <!--Name-->Compaq 2510p 6510b 6710b 6910b || <!--Chipset-->GMA 965GM GL960 || <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|X3100 some 2d but slow software 3d only}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio ADI AD1981 HD low volume on head phones}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82566 or Broadcom BCM 5787M}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945ABG or 4965ABG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aspire OS Xenon 2014 || <!--Comments-->2008 no sd card boot support - F9 to choose boot option - [http://forums.mydigitallife.info/threads/7681-This-is-no-request-thread!-HP-COMPAQ-bioses-how-to-modify-the-bios/page111?p=333358#post333358 whitelist removal (risky) bios block for wifi card swap] |- | <!--Name-->CQ40 CQ41 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Intel}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BC4310 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Presario CQ35 CQ36 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4312 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 Compal LA-4743P - |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq CQ42 CQ43 CQ45 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Coxenant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8191SE, Realtek 8188CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 (Quanta AX1) |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Presario CQ50 CQ56 || <!--Chipset-->Nvidia MCP78S || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Geforce 8200M || <!--Audio-->nVidia HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->nvidia MCP77 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR928X bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 [http://donovan6000.blogspot.co.uk/2013/06/insyde-bios-modding-wifi-and-wwan-whitelists.html bios modding risky] MCP72XE MCP72P MCP78U MCP78S |- | <!--Name-->CQ60 || <!--Chipset-->Single core Sempron to dual turion || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Nvidia 8200M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 |- | <!--Name-->HP DV6700 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{no|Vesa for Nvidia 8400M}} || <!--Audio-->{{no| }} || <!--USB-->{{no| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->CQ60 || <!--Chipset-->Intel C2D || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Nvidia 9200M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->CQ57z || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD E-300 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA ATi HD 6310 wrestler}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek RTL8101 RTL8102}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RaLink RT5390}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->HP CQ58z 103SA E5K15EA || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD Dual-Core E1-1500 APU with A68M FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Radeon HD 7310}} || <!--Audio-->Realtek idt codec || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 10/100 BASE-T}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 39.6 cm (15.6") HD BrightView LED-backlit (1366 x 768) |- | <!--Name-->HP 635 DM1 || <!--Chipset-->Slow E-300, E-450 later E2-1800 on SB7x0 SB8x0 SB9x0 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->ATI non efi SATA AHCI - IDE mode || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA 2D - AMD HD6310, 6320 to HD7340}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ALC270A GR but not Wrestler HDMI Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 driver covers Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 14" 1366 x 768 - f9 f10 - external battery - 2 stacked ddr3l sodimm slots max 16Gb under one base plate - removable keyboard - |- | <!--Name-->HP G6 2000-2b10NR 2000-2d10SX 2000-2d80NR || <!--Chipset-->E1-2000 E2-3000M on A50M (soldered) A4-3305A on A60M (socket) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Radeon 6320, 6620G, 6520G, 6480G, 6380G}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek 100 1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 39.6-cm (15.6-in) HD LED BrightView (1366×768) - 1 or 2 ddr3l max 8G - 19VDC 3.42A Max 65W Tip 7.4mm x 5.0mm - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 6465B || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-3310MX or A6-3410MX with A60M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD 6480G or 6520G}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|IDT 92HD81B1X}} || <!--USB-->{{No| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel AC 6205 or broadcom 4313 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 13-inch or 14-inch runs hot - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 8470p 8570p || <!--Chipset-->Quad i7-3840QM, i7-3610QM, i7-3520M, i5-3210M, i3-3130M, i3-2370M on Intel QM77 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|set the bios boot options to not fastboot and drive mode IDE rather than AHCI }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for HD4000 with some having switchable Radeon M2000 or 7570M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio for IDT codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel 82579LM }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel, Broadcom, Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro-->64 bit boots from CD* if safe mode 2 is used, although it is possible to remove the 'nodma' and 'debug' entries and boot || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit with SSE4.1 and AVX - 14in 1600 x 900 to 1366 x 768 - 2 DDR3L sodimm slots max 16Gb - TPM 1.2 - dual boot 32/64 bit is working fine - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 6475b, Probook 4445s 4545s, HP Pavilion 15-b115sa, [https://support.hp.com/gb-en/document/c04015674#AbT6 HP mt41 Mobile Thin Client PC] || <!--Chipset-->AMD A4 4300M, A6 4400M 4455M or A8 4500M with AMD A70M A76M FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 7420 7520G 7640G 7660G}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio with idt or realtek codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek RTL8151FH-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6205 or Broadcom BCM 43228 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6-inch - |- | <!--Name-->HP ENVY 15-k112nl K1Y78EA || <!--Chipset-->Intel® Core™ i7 i7-4510U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 850M || <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwood usb3 test iso || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 15.6" 768p to 1080p - 19.5V 3.33A/4.62A/6.15A 65W/90W/120W AC - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 255 G1, 455 G1 F2P93UT#ABA, 645 G1, Envy 15-j151ea G7V80EA, Envy m6-1310sa (E4R01EA#ABU) || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD Dual-Core E1-1500, or AMD Quad A4-4300M A8-4500M A10-4600M A4-5150M A6-5350M 2.9Ghz A10-5750M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for 7310, 7420G 7520G 7640G 7660G 8350G 8450G or 8550G, 8650G, 8750G }} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio IDT 92HD91 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 14in and 15in 1366 x 768 - external battery - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - 19.5v / 4.62A psu runs hot - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 245 G4, 255 G2, 455 G2, 255 G3, 455 G3, 255 G4 80CB, 255 G5 82F6, 355 G2, HP Pavilion 15-p038na 15-g092sa 15-p091sa 15-G094S 15-p144na 15-p142na, 15-Af156sa || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD A4-5000 A6-5200, E2-6110, E1-6010 E2-2000, E1-2100 E2-3800, A4-6210 A6-6310 A8-6410, E2-7110, A6-7310 A8-7410 APU on A68M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata some with cdrw dvdrw || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon R2 R4 R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio ALC3201-GR}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8102E or Atheros 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Qualcomm Atheros AR9565}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit most have SSE4 AVX but E2-2000 does not - 15.6-inch (1366 x 768) - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - small 31Whr or 41Whr external battery covers 240 G4, 245 G4, 250 G4, 255 G4, 256 G4, 14G, 15G - keyboard repair swap requires removal of all components - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 725 G2, 745 G2, 755 G2 || <!--Chipset-->Amd Quad A6-7050B A8-7150B 1.9GHz A10-7350B || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA on AMD R4 R5 Radeon R6 with DP and vga}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD audio with IDT 92HD91}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 PCIe GBE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom or Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 12.5-inch, 14" or 15.6in (all 1366 x 768) - 19.5V 65w 45W AC adapter - internal pull up tab battery under base which slides off - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - keyboard swap requires removal of all components - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 645 g2, Probook 445 G2, Probook 245 G2 most have cmos rtc battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-8600 A8-8700 a10- || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Radeon R5 R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel I219V 100/1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel or Qualcomm Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 14in and 15.6-inch HD (1366 x 768) or FHD 1080p - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots max 16GB - internal battery - hp ac psu tip - |- | <!--Name-->HP Probook 455 G3 should have a cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD A10-8700P || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 2.5in sata and most should have 9.5mm dvd-rw || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Radeon R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Conexant CX7501 codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|RTL8188EE }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 725 G3, 745 G3, 755 G3, 725 G4, 745 G4, 755 G4, HP mt43 || <!--Chipset-->Amd A8-8600B, A10-8700B, A12-8800B to Quad A8 Pro 9600B to A10 9800 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA on AMD R5 R6 R7 with DP and vga but screen is low res, dull colours, and blurry}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD audio with IDT codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 5762 PCIe GBE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8723BE-VB}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - 12.5-inch (1366 x 768) to 14" and 15.6in - 2 sodimm ddr3 - 19.5V 45W AC slim 4.5mm hp adapter - randomly shuts down and the noisy fans constantly on - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 645 G3, 655 G3 should have a cmos rtc battery - || <!--Chipset-->AMD 8th Gen A10-8730B, A8-9600B (4c4t) A6-8530B (2c2t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for AMD R5}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel or Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 15.6in - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - keyboard repair swap requires removal of all components - |- | <!--Name-->HP Probook 455 G4, Probook 455 G5, should have cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD A10-9600P APU, A9-9410, A6-9210 APU || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon R4, R5 or R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|realtek or intel Wireless-AC 7265}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit 15.6in 1366 x 768 - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - keyboard swap problematic - rr03xl battery - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 645 G6, 255 G6 (), 255 G7 (la-g078p), HP Pavilion 14-BW - no cmos battery so needs internal battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD E2-9000e, A9-9420, 9220P, A4-9125 (all 2c) AMD A6-9225 AMD A9-9425 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in (possibly requires the drive cable and M.2 sata3, most have no internal cdrw dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for R2 R3 R4}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x157a or 0x1002, 0x15b3 with ALC codec 0x10EC, x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8188CTV, RTL8821CE or Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p all - 19.5V 65W - DDR4 slot max 8Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP Pavilion 14-BS, HP 15-BS no cmos battery but main battery || <!--Chipset-->Intel i3-6006u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in (possibly requires the drive cable and M.2 sata3, most have no cdrw dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for Intel}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x8086, 0x9d70 with ALC codec 0x10EC, x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8188CTV, RTL8821CE or Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit 768p all - 19.5V 65W - DDR4 slot max 8Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->ProBook 245 g8 - no cmos rtc coin battery but uses main battery || <!--Chipset-->Range all dual cores - AMD A6-9225 APU, AMD A4-9125 APU, AMD PRO A6-8350B APU, AMD PRO A4-5350B APU || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->m.2 sata || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA R4 R6}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - many variants - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->Pavilion 15z bw0xxx, 15-bw024na 15-ba506na (), 15-bw060na () 15-DB0521SA (LA-G076P), HP Envy x360 () 15-ar052sa 2 in 1 (), no cmos battery but main battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD A9-9420 2c 2t, A10-9620p 4c4t 9700p 7th Gen Bristol Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata and an extra 2.5in sata if detachable 8pin ribbon cable present || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA R5 GCN 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio 0x1022, 0x157a with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit AVX2 - 15.6in 768p or 1080p - internal battery - 19.5V 2.31A hp plug - 1 DDR4-1866 SDRAM sodimm slot - keyboard swap problematic - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Probook 255 G7 84AE 7DE72EA 7DE73EA (epv51 la-g076p) - CMOS Error (502) replace main internal battery HT03XL to have bios remember settings || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 2200U 2300U (2c4t), R5 2500U, R7 2700U (4c8t) Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|M.2 (Sata or NVMe) and very optional 2.5in sata, most have mini sata port}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d 640p to 768p for AMD Vega 3, 6, or 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with ALC236 0x10ec, 0x0236 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8821CE, 8822BE or Intel AC 8265}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS x64 deadwoods' iso does not boot with cd/dvd and installed to 2.5in ssd, boots to grub choice, select but no further and reboots || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - 12.5 to 15.6in 768p mostly to 1080p - 1 on smaller laptops or 2 ddr4 2400mhz sodimm slots on larger laptops max 16Gb - hp 4.5mm blue tip charging - keyboard swap problematic - esc boot options f9 boot order f10 bios - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteBook 725 G5, 735 G5, 745 G5, 755 G5, Probook 455 G6 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 2200U 2300U (2c4t), R5 2500U, R7 2700U (4c8t) Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|M.2 (Sata or NVMe) and very optional 2.5in sata, some have mini sata port but no cdrw dvdrw}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d 640p to 768p for AMD Vega 3, 6, or 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with ALC 0x10ec, 0x0 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8821CE, 8822BE or Intel AC 8265}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS untested || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - 12.5 to 15.6in 768p mostly to 1080p - 1 on smaller laptops or 2 ddr4 2400mhz sodimm slots on larger laptops max 16Gb - hp 4.5mm blue tip charging - keyboard swap problematic - esc boot options f9 boot order f10 bios - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP 14-cm, 15-bw0, HP 15-db0043na, HP 15-db0996na, HP 15-db0997na, 17-ca0007na, 17-ca1, ProBook 645 G4 - no cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 2200U (2c 4t) 2500U (4c 8t) with AMD Carrizo FCH 51 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 M.2 and 1 2.5in on some larger models and hdd port }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon R5 and later Vega 3 or 7}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio 0x1002, 0x103c or 0x1022, 0x157a with Realtek ALC3227 0x10ec, 0x0227 and ATI HDMI}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|USB3 USB boot drive stuck on kitty's eyes}} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 RTL8111E || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL 8723DE 8821 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2020 Icaros 2.3 USB, || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit 2kg - screen is dim 14in, 15.6in or 17.3" 768p, later 1080p - 65W 19.5V ac adapter - internal 3-cell 41 Wh Li-ion battery does not last long - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - no DVD-Writer - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 250 G7 - no cmos battery so needs internal battery and needs usb3 boot due to rubbish bios boot options || <!--Chipset-->Intel 8235U 8265U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|M.2 nvme not working, optional sata 2.5in requires LS-G072P and ribbon cable, if internal cdrw dvdrw partial boot}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Intel WhiskeyLake-U 620 GT2 UHD}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x8086, 0xa170 or 0x8086, 0x9dc8 with ALC236 codec 0x10EC, x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|Cannon Point-LP USB3.1 xHCI}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RTL8821CE or Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3168}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' test latest usb3 test iso does not boot software error or usb2 kitty eyes || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit 1080p all - 19.5V 65W - DDR4 slot max 16Gb - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - |- | <!--Name-->HP 255 G7 7DC73EA 2D200EA 87CE (fpp55 la-g07jp), - CMOS Error (502) replace 41.04Wh ht03xl hto3xl dynapack suzhou main battery to have bios remember settings || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' R5 3500U (4c8t) '''untested''' mostly dual cores - AMD Athlon Gold 3150U (2c2t), Silver 3050U APU (2c2t), Ryzen 3 Pro 3145U APU, 3200U (2c4t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 m.2 NVMe or sata3 up to 2280, optional 2.5in sata, many have mini-sata slimline 6+7 internal port but no physical 9mm drive}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D from 640p to 1080p for AMD Vega 3, 6 or 8 with up to 2gb ram taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with realtek ALC236 codec 0x10ec, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 but no usb-c}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek GbE RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 8822BE}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 Aros One 32bit and 64bit burnt iso does not fully boot (stuck on kitty's eyes) and installed onto 2.5in on another compatible computer, sometimes has dosboot bootstrap error -6 || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in / 15.6in dim tn panel 768p or 1080p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 16gb - hp 19.5V 45W 65W AC blue tip round 4.5 mm - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - caps lock blinking 3 times then 2 quick pulses means ram or bios issue - f9 boot order f10 uefi - laptop needs usb3 to boot and use so avoid until usb3 arrives |- | <!--Name-->[https://support.hp.com/gb-en/document/c06955717 ProBook 245 g8], Probook 445R G6, 455R G6, HP14-dk0599sa, pavilion 15-cw1511na 15-cw1507sa, HP 15s-eq1516sa || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Gold 3150U (2c2t), Silver 3050U APU (2c2t), Ryzen 3 Pro 3145U APU, 3200U (2c4t) and 3500U (4c8t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1 m.2 (NVMe or sata3 up to 2280), optional 2.5in sata but resets}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D from 640p to 1080p for AMD Vega 3, 6 or 8 with up to 2gb ram taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x1022, 0x15e3 with realtek ALC codec 0x10ec, 0x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek GbE RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 8822BE}} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in / 15.6in dim tn panel 768p or 1080p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 16gb - hp 19.5V 45W 65W AC blue tip round 4.5 mm - keyboard swap problematic - synaptics touchpad - f9 boot order f10 uefi |- | <!--Name-->Elitebook 735 G6 5VA23AV, Elitebook 745 G6, 255 g8, HP 15s-dy - no cmos battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD® Ryzen™ 5-3500U Ryzen 3-3300U AMD Ryzen 3-3250U AMD Athlon® Gold 3150U AMD Athlon Silver 3050U AMD 3020e || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|m.2 2280 nvme in legacy - hp sure start and secure boot disabled but still issues with gpt installs - LS-H323P LS-K201P}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Vega 8, 5 or 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 6.34 ahi with realtek ALC codec 0x10EC, 0x0295}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 type-A port boots stick partially to kitty eyes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 realtek RTL8111E or 8111H}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|realtek or intel}} || <!--Test Distro-->2024 Icaros 2.3 onto USB and AROS One 1.8 USB, || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6in 1366x768 to 1920x1080 - 2 3200MHz DDR4 sodimms - 19.5V 2.31A or 20V 2.25 45W 4.5X3.0MM hp - esc bios setup, f9 boot device select - low travel keyboard - poor hw03xl or battery life - plastic hooked base with retained screws - touchpad? - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 445 G7, 455 G7 || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 4300U 5 4500U 4700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 sata and 1 nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with realtek alc236 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek rtl8111ep}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|realtek RTL8822CE or intel AC 9260 or Wi-Fi 6 AX200}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14 inch 768p or 1080p - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - smart 45w 65w hp or usb-c charging - keyboard swap problematic - RE03XL battery - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteBook 745 G7, 845 G7, HP 15-EH0006NA || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300U, 5 4500U, PRO 4650U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->SSD M.2 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Radeon Vega 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|Hdaudio with codec 0x10EC, 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - Bang & Olufsen speakers - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 255 G8, HP 245 G9, ProBook 255 G9 816C2EA#ABE, - no cmos battery only internal battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD RYZEN 3 5300u, 5425U, 5 5500U 5625U, 7 5700u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|NVMe}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Vega 6 or 8 hdmi 1.4B}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822CE or Intel}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 14" to 15.6in 768p to 1080p poor gamut - 45 or 65w hp psu - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 16GB - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteBook 645 g7, 835 G8, 845 g8, HP ENVY x360 13 15, HP 17-cp0021na || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 5650U, 7 5800U, R7 Pro 5850U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Radeon}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 0x, 0x with ALC3247 aka ALC236 codec 0x10ec, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek 1Gbe on 645 only}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 13.3" or 14" 1080p - poor screens low nits and srgb score - 845 gets hot ue to poor cooling - slim round hp ac - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP Dev One, HP ProBook 455 G8 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 7 5800U, R7 5850U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 15.6" 1080p - 2 internal sodimm slots - hp barrel charging - |- | <!--Name-->Elitebook 655 g9 669y1ut#aba, || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5675U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 15.6" 1080p - 1 or 2 internal sodimm slots - usb-c charging - |- | <!--Name-->HP probook 635 Aero G8 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 5600U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2921 64bit - 14in 1080p - 2 ddr4 slots - ec chip nuvoton NPCX797HA1B - bios winbond 250256JYEN - |- | <!--Name-->HP Elitebook 845 g9 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6000 series 6850u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->M.2 NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 8}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }}Qualcomm Atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit aluminum case - 14in 1080p to 2140p 16:10 poor screen again - 2 internal ddr5 sodimm slots - usb-c ac charging avoid any knocks - keyboard swap problematic - |- | <!--Name-->HP ProBook 445 G10, 455 G10 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5 7530U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Vega 7 || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15.6in - hp round ac - |- | <!--Name-->Hp 455 G11 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 7335U (4c8t), 5 7535U (6c12t), 7 7735U (8c16t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Vega 7 || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111HSH}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 35.6 cm (14.0 in) 1920x1200 or 2560x1600 - usb-c 45w or 65w ac - 2 ddr5 sodimm slots max 32gb - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====IBM/Lenovo==== [[#top|...to the top]] Build quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > iSeries Edge Ideapad Thinkpad - good cases and construction but electronic internals same as anyone else </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad 390X 390E (2626) || <!--Chipset-->Neo Magic MM2200 with C400 P2-266 to P3 500MHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA || <!--Audio-->{{No|256AV or ESS Solo-1}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad 600x || <!--Chipset-->Intel 440BX || <!--IDE-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Neomagic NM2360 MagicMedia 256ZX}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|Crystal CS4297A codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.3.1 || <!--Comments-->1998 32bit a little support - earlier 600 and 600e were Pentium 2 based |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X20 (2662-32U) X21 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 440 BX ZX DX || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 with Cirrus Logic Crystal cs4281}} || <!--USB-->1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->no mini pci intel e100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 32bit |- | Thinkpad T20 (2647) T21 (26) T22 || 440BX || {{Maybe| }} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|Savage IX-MV (VESA only)}} || {{no|Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/ 24/30}} || {{yes|USB 1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2002 32bit |- | <!--Name-->A21e (2628, 2655) A22e || <!--Chipset-->440MX || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Ati rage mobility || <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 Cs4299 CS4229}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->intel e100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2002 |- | Thinkpad T23 (2647) || i810 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|S3 Super Savage IX/C SDR (VESA only)}} || {{maybe|AC'97 CS4299}} || {{yes|USB 1.1}} || {{yes|Intel ICH3 PRO 100 VE}} || {{no|Realtek RTL8180L others with bios hacking risky}} || || 2003 32bit with some support |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X22 X23 X24 || <!--Chipset-->830 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ATi Mobility M6 LY || <!--Audio-->Ac97 CS4299 || <!--USB-->2 x 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->Intel Pro 100 || <!--Wireless-->Actiontec Harris Semi Intersil Prism 2.5 (X23 and X24 only) || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit with slice Ultrabase X2 - |- | <!--Name-->A30 A30p || <!--Chipset-->830 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Ati Radeon M6 || <!--Audio-->AC97 CS 4299 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel Pro 100 ve || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->A31 A31p R31 R32 T30 || <!--Chipset-->830 || <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} || <!--Gfx-->Ati Radeon 7500 or FireGL || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 Intel with AD1881A codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes| Intel Pro 100 ve}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->[https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Android-Ecosystem-Developers/AROS-An-operation-system-inside-Android/td-p/1441741 Icaros 1.5.2] || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit Also tested with Icaros 2.0.3. |- | Thinkpad X30 (2673) X31 (2884-xx2) X31t || i830 || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA only Radeon M6 Mobility}} || {{yes|AC97 - AD1981B codec}} || {{yes|USB 1.1}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || {{no|Cisco Aironet or Intel 2915 but atheros with bios hacking}} || Icaros 1.4 || 2004 32bit sound bit distorted |- | <!--Name-->R50e R51 || <!--Chipset-->855M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Intel 855M use VESA}} || <!--Audio-->intel AC97 with AD1981B codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Intel 100 VE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - |- | IBM Thinkpad T40 (2373) T41 T41p (2379) T42 T42p T43 T43p || Intel 8xx || {{partial|PIO}} || {{N/A}} || {{partial|ATI mobility 7500 9000 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97 playback}} || {{yes|uhci 1.1 and ehci 2.0}} || {{no|e1000}} || {{Maybe|Intel 2200bg bios locked but possible AR5BMB-44 AR5212 FRU 39T0081 mini PCI}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || 2004 32bit 16v IBM plug - Centrino Needs ATA=nodma option - issues with the inner chip of the SMT BGA graphics chip |- | Thinkpad X32 || i855 || {{yes|40, 60 or 80GB 2.5" PATA HDD}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA only ATI Mobility Radeon 7000 with 16MB}} || {{maybe| Intel AC'97 Audio with a AD1981B codec}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Intel 1000}} || {{no|Intel 2200 but atheros with bios hacking}} || 2016 Icaros 2.1 || 2004 32bit - 12.1" TFT display with 1024x768 resolution; 256 or 512MB PC2700 memory standard (2GB max) |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X40 X40t by Quanta || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel 800 (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel e1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel but most atheros with bios hacking - difficult though}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit last IBM design |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X41 (IBM) MT 1864 1865 2525 2526 2527 2528 x41t (Lenovo) MT 1866 1867 || <!--Chipset-->Intel with single core 1.5 1.6 and tablet 1.2GHz || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 915GML 2D}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751M tg3}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel or MiniPCI Wi-Fi Atheros AR5BMB FRU 39T0081 but ordinary atheros 54meg needs risky bios hacking}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit - amongst first Lenovo design |- | <!--Name-->R52 (most 18xx) || <!--Chipset-->Intel 915 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 915GML 2D}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->R52 1846, 1847, 1848, 1849, 1850, 1870 || <!--Chipset-->ATi 200m || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{No|ATI}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 AD1981B}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom BCM5751M tg3}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad T60 T60P * 64bit - 6 or 8 is 16:10 on T60/p, eg. 8742-CTO 15.4" * 32bit - 1 and 2 are 14", 15" 4:3, like 2007-YM3 or 1952-CTO || <!--Chipset-->*any* T60/p will take a Core 2 Duo CPU with newer BIOS || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA (2D) with "p" graphics card (ATi V5200 or V5250) || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || {{no|e1000e 82573L}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel ipw3945 ABG but atheros with Middleton's or Zender BIOS hacking risky}} || Icaros 1.4 || <!--Comments-->2006 - |- | <!--Name-->X60 x60s x60t tablet || <!--Chipset-->945GMS 940GML || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|AD1981 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel 3945 ABG or fru 39T5578 Atheros 5K AR5BXB6 ar5007eg with bios hacking}} || <!--Comments-->Icaros 1.4 || 2006 32bit - perhaps needs a zendered bios update but risky |- | <!--Name-->R60 R60e || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->intel 950 with optional radeon x1300 x1400 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with 1981HD codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel or Broadcom || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel 3945 or atheros fru 39T5578 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit |- | Thinkpad T61 T61p without Middleton's or Zender BIOS || Core 2 Duo CPU T7300 T8300 || {{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || Intel GMA (2D), NVS 140m or Quadro FX 570M () || {{maybe|HD Audio with Analog Devices AD1984 or AD1984A HD Audio Codec routed to the line output}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || {{no|intel e1000e 82573L}} || {{No|Intel but atheros with bios hacking risky}} || Icaros 1.6, AROS One || 2007 64bit |- | <!--Name-->X61 x61s X61T Tablet || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo T8100 on i965 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 3100 (2D) slow 3D}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|AD1984 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82566DM}} || <!--Wireless-->{{maybe|Atheros AR5212 (some revisions use Intel WLAN runs very hot) bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit ultrabook running very hot - ddr2 max 4gb - |- | <!--Name-->R61 R61i || <!--Chipset-->Intel 965 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->intel 965 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with conexant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom BCM5787M || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2008 64bit |- | Lenovo 3000 N200 || <!--Chipset-->Santa Rosa || {{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || {{yes|Geforce 7300 (2D)}} || {{yes|ALC262 HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || {{no|Broadcom}} || {{no|Intel 3945 bios locked}} || Icaros 1.4 || 2007 64bit 3D graphics parts are supported but buggy. |- | Lenovo 3000 N200 / V200 || GM965 ICH9-M with Intel Mobile Core 2 Duo T5450 || {{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} || {{yes|X3100 (2D)}} || {{Maybe|HD Audio ALC269VB or CX20549}} || {{yes| }} || {{no|BCM5906M}} || {{no|Intel 3965 / 4965AGN bios locked}} || Icaros 1.4.1 2.1 || 2007 64bits of laptop works |- | <!--Name-->X300 || <!--Chipset-->Core 2 Duo Merom SL7100 1.2GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1.8 inch || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel X3100}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio AD1984A || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 4965 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 64bit 13.3" TFT 1440x900 (WXGA+) with LED backlight |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad Edge 11″ AMD K325 || <!--Chipset-->M880G || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA for ATI HD4200}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|8192CE (Realtek 8176) bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2007 little support |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X301 || <!--Chipset-->Core 2 Duo Penryn SU9400 Su9600 with GM45 chipset || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1.8 inch micro SATA (uSATA) || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel X4500}} || <!--Audio-->AD1984A || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 5xxx WiFi link 5100, 5150, 5300 and 5350 (WiMAX) bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 WXGA+ (1440×900) LED backlight display - 2774 or 4057 Alps and 2776 Synaptics touchpad - optical bay interface is Legacy IDE (PATA) - Addonics ADMS18SA, Lycom ST-170m |- | <!--Name-->X100e || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Neo Single-Core (MV-40) and dual cores || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|2.5in tray in ide mode in bios}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa ATI HD3200}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with CX20582 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek r8192se bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit 11.6in 1366 x 768 - 20v 65W round barrel - enter f1 setup f11 diagnostics f12 boot list - runs very warm - |- | <!--Name-->SL400 SL500 || Intel || {{N/A}} || {{Yes|IDE mode}} || {{Maybe|Nvidia 9400M}} || {{Maybe|ALC269}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{Maybe|RTL8169}} || {{Maybe| bios locked}} || || |- | <!--Name-->SL410 SL510 || 965 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE mode}} || {{maybe|Intel GMA X4500M (some 2D)}} || {{yes|HD Audio with ALC269 codec - speaker and ear phones}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{yes|RTL8169}} || {{Maybe| bios locked}} || [http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=645774&postcount=28 Icaros 1.3] || 2009 64bit SL-410 |- | <!--Name-->T400 ODM Wistron || <!--Chipset-->i || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Intel 4500MHD works limited 2d no 3d - optional switchable Nvidia or ATi HD3470 untested}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with Codec CX20561 (T400)}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel e1000e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel Wifi Link 5100 (AGN) half height card with FRU 43Y6493 or 5300 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit 20v lenovo plug - non-free firmware required iwlwifi |- | <!--Name-->T400s || <!--Chipset-->i || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VSEA for Intel 4500MHD works limited 2d no 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with CX20585}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel e1000e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel Wifi Link 5100 (AGN) half height card with FRU 43Y6493 or 5300 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit non-free firmware required iwlwifi |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo T500 T510 || <!--Chipset-->i || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA for switchable Intel / AMD HD 3640}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|Intel HD Audio with a CX20561 (t500) and CX20585 (T510) codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel or Lenovo branded unit Atheros AR5007EG AR5BHB63 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit |- | <!--Name-->X200 ODM Wistron [http://itgen.blogspot.co.uk/2008/12/installing-arch-linux-on-lenovo.html X200s] and x200t tablet model without [http://fsfe.soup.io/post/590865884/the-unconventionals-blog-English-Flashing-Libreboot-on Risky flash of the Libreboot BIOS] || <!--Chipset-->GM45 GS45 with slow Celeron, SU or faster SL Core 2 Duos CPUs || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe||Intel GMA 4500 MHD 2D but slow software 3D tunnel 10 gearbox 8 tests}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel HD Audio with Conexant CX20561 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{{Yes|USB 2.0 USB SD card reads and writes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82567LM Gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel Pro 5100 5150 5300 5350 AGN due to whitelist prevention bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0.1 || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit 12.1" CCFL (webcam version) or LED backlit (no webcam). no support for 54mm express cards or Authentec 2810 fingerprint reader - thinkpoint only no trackpad - thinklight - |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo T410 T410s T410si || <!--Chipset-->qm57 with i5 m || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use vesa Intel 5700MHD (Ironlake) core processor igp with optional Nvidia Quadro NVS 3100M}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio Conexant CX20585 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82577lm gigabit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel n 6200 or Atheros AR9280 AR5BHB92 half size minipcie bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2 xmas || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit battery life much lower with Nvidia graphics version - no support firewire ricoh r5c832 - ricoh sd card - series 5 3400 |- | <!--Name-->X201 X201s x201t || <!--Chipset-->QM57 Core i3 370m, i5 M520 2.4GHz or i7 620LM 2.0GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|vesa 2d on Intel GMA HD}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel HD with [https://ae.amigalife.org/index.php?topic=94.0 Conexant 20585] codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2010 X201 arrandale power consumption limits battery life to 3-4 hours for 48Whr though to 6 on 72Whr - 12.5" WXGA |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Ideapad B470, B570, V370, V470, V570 || <!--Chipset-->Intel® Core™ i5 i5-2430M, i5-2450M, || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d for Intel || <!--Audio-->HDaudio 0x8086, 0x1c20 with codec || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|whitelisted}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - 14in or 15.6in 768p - |- | <!--Name-->T420 type 4180 4236, t420s , T520 4239 L520 || <!--Chipset-->i5 2540, 2520 or i7 2860QM 2620 has sse4.1 avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS but not AHCI}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 136 x 768 - Intel HD 3000 with optional NVS 4200M Nvidia optimus or Radeon HD 565v }} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio playback ear phones only with Conexant CX20672 codec - AHI 6.27}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO 1000 82579LM}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 1x1, Intel Ultimate-N 6205 6250 2x2 6300 3x3 all bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2.2 add noacpi to grub boot options || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - screen 1600x900 or 1366x768 - 2 ddr3l sodimm slots max 16gb - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad W520 || <!--Chipset--> has sse4.1 avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Intel HD 3000 with nvidia quadro 1000m 2000m optimus issues with Nvidia Intel hybrids}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel Hd with CX 20585 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel 82579 Lm}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6000s}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - 15.6" TFT display with 1366x768 (HD), 1600x900 (HD+) or 1920x1080 (FHD) resolution with LED backlight |- | <!--Name-->X220 x220t || <!--Chipset-->QM67 express, dual i5 2520M or i7 dual 2620M sse4.1 avx support || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE in BIOS but not AHCI}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D 1024 x 768 for Intel HD Graphics 3000}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Intel HD playback with Conexant 20672 codec ear phones and speaker - AHI 6.27 6.34}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel 82579LM}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6205 Wi-Fi bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3, Aros One USB 1.6 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit possible - uses slimmer 7 mm storage sata devices - NEC USB 3.0 on i7's - unwanted trackpad gestures when palms rests on it - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots - external battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X120e, x121e Quanta FL8A DAFL8AMB8D0 Rev D || <!--Chipset-->Hudson M1 with slow AMD E350 has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA ATI 0x9802}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ATI SBx00 Azalia HD Audio}} || <!--USB-->USB 2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->RTL8169 RTL8111 || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Broadcom 0x0576 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit 11.6 inch screen - 1 inch think - chiclet keyboard |- | <!--Name-->Ideapad S205 G575 G585, Edge 11 E325 || <!--Chipset-->Slow E-350 later E-450 with A75 or AMD Athlon II Neo has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA HD6310}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - removeable and plug in battery - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->Ideapad S206 || <!--Chipset-->AMD E300 1.3GHZ Dual has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD Audio with CX20672 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|3.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom 10/100 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6" and integrated battery - Conexant® |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo x130e or x131e edu || <!--Chipset-->Slow AMD E-300 or E-450 has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon HD 6310 or 6320 }} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio Realtek ALC269VC / ALC3202 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|USB 30 and USB 20}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek RTL8111 RTL8168B}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8188CE or Broadcom BCM43228 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - rubber edged bumper for K12 education market - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad Edge E135 E335 || <!--Chipset-->amd dual E-300, E2-1800 or E2-2000 slow atom like A68M FCH has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|SATA 3.0Gb/s 2.5" wide 7mm high}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA radeon 6310 or 7340 vga or hdmi}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3202 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|2 usb3, 1 powered usb2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 8111f}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek WLAN whitelist bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 11.6 inch to 13.3in 1366x768 - Acrylonitrile-Butadiene-Styrene (ABS) plastic case - external battery - 20v 65w lenovo barrel ac - 2 ddr3 sodimm 8Gb max - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkPad Edge E525 E535 LENOVO IDEAPAD Z575 || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-3420M A8-3500M later A8-4500M has no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD 6620G later 7640G}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with Conexant codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|USB2 but not usb3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek 8111}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 15.6in 1368 x 768 matt - 65W 20v lenovo round psu - thick desktop replacement - ThinkPad Edge E520 E520S E525 E530 E545 E535 E530C Laptop Keyboard swap - |- | <!--Name-->T430 t430i T530 || <!--Chipset-->ivy bridge i5 3320 3230m on Intel QM77 has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 1366 x 768 for Intel HD 4000 with optional Nvidia 5400M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD with Realtek ALC3202 aka ALC269VC codec playback ear head phones - HDA 6.27}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2 ports and usb2.0 devices thru usb 3.0 ports}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel e1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Intel or Atheros AR9285 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit fan noise and chiclet keyboard, synaptics trackpad - HD+ 768p - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X230 x230t || <!--Chipset-->Intel QM67 express i5 has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD with ALC269 aka ALC3202}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|I}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - 12.2 in 1366 x 768 - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots - external battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad T440 t440s t440p T540 L440 L540 || <!--Chipset-->intel haswell 8 series Core i3 to i7 has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA - Intel 4600 or Nvidia}} || <!--Audio-->Intel HD with Realtek ALC3232 alc269 codec or ALC292 || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel AC 7260 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 14 and 15" models with glitchy trackpad and no physical buttons - keyboard repair not easy as well as 4 variants of key caps - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkpad X240 x240t ultrabook TN (20AL0081GE), HD IPS display without touch (20AL007NGE) and touch (20AL0076GE) but all 65% sRGB || <!--Chipset-->haswell i7-4600U i5 4200U 4210U 4300U i3-4100U - two batteries, one internal 3cell 45N1110 (45N1111) or 45N1112 (FRU 45N1113) and external 3 / 6cell 45N1126 (FRU 45N1127) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in 7mm sata (torq t7), m.2 2242 in WWAN slot (m and b key NGFF Sata) || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for Intel 4400 for vga or mini-dp}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x8086, 0x0a0c 0x8086, 0x9c20 with Realtek ALC3232 aka ALC292 0x10ec, 0x0292}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel® 82577LM Gigabit (Hanksville) }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Intel 7260n I218-V or I218-LM bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 12.2in 1366 x 768 or 1080p - 1 ddr3l sodimm slot - no keyboard spill drainage and at least 2 variants of key caps - lenovo rectangle pwr ac - TPM 1.2 - Bluetooth 4.0 no support - large touchpad with integrated but no physical buttons - bottom panel loosening 8 retained screws - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkPad Edge E545 * key cap swap with E440 E531 E540 L440 L450 T431S T440S T440P T540 * Keyboard swap L540 T540p W540 Edge E531 E540 W541 T550 W550S L560 P50S T560 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Socket FS1r2 A6-5350M (2c2t) or A8-4500M, A8-5550M, A10-5750M (4c4t) with A76M FCH has sse4.1 and avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in 9.5mm - enter UEFI bios with Enter or ESC, config section, sata into compatibility and security, secure boot disabled - mini sata DVD burner PLSD DS8A9SH || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD 7640G, 8450G, 8550G, 8650G ?? Islands}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|VOID for HDAudio 6.34 0x1022, 0x780d with Conexant CX20590 Analog 0x14f1, 0x506e CX20671 codec 0x14f1, 0x5069 or audio over Trinity HDMI}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|boots pen drives from yellow usb port but not from blue USB3 ones, issues with AMD usb3 hardware quirks}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 1GbE 8111F}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM43142 bios locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.3 USB works with noacpi added to end of grub2 boot line but not booting on AROS One 64bit 1.1 via usb2 stick or iso burnt to dvd || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit - 15.6in 1366 x 768 matt - 20v 65w 90w round lenovo plug psu - 2 DDR3 SODIMM slots 16GB Max - external 6 Cell Li-Ion Battery 48Wh l11s6y01 45n1043 - 2pin CR2032 CMOS battery in wifi area jp1202 - amd v(tm) virtualization not working - |- |<!--Name-->AMD platform codes *Beema: ABM, *Carizzo-L: ACL, *Carizzo: ACZ, *Godavari: AGR, *Kaveri: AKV, *Stoney Ridge: ASR, *Stoney Ridge: AST (NB), || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> *Summit Ridge: ASU, *Bristol Ridge-L: ABL, *Bristol Ridge: ABR, *Raven Ridge: ARR, *Picasso: API |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.laptop-schematics.com/db/78/V%20series%20laptops%20(Lenovo)/ V110-14AST (14in) V110-15AST, V110-14ISK V110-15ISK 80TL (15")], || <!--Chipset-->AMD E1-9000, A6-9210 to A9-9410 all dual core and intel 6006u, 6100u, 6200u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 2.5in sata most 7mm some 9.5mm || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R2, R3, R5 or R6 or Intel Gfx}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 14in to 15.6in mostly 768p 220 nits - 20v 45W or 65W lenovo slim rectangle end ac - keyboard swap hard - integrated 24WHr battery - 4gb ddr4 ram soldered and 1 2133Mhz ddr4 slot max 12Gb - abs plastic - |- |<!--Name--> *ThinkPad A275 12in (1 ddr4 1866MHz sodimm) *Thinkpad A475 14in (2 ddr4 1866MHz sodimm) - both internal (main) and external (secondary) battery || <!--Chipset-->A10-8730B A10-9700B 2.500Ghz later A12-8830B A12-9800B all 4c4t (AVX2 on 9000s) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|7mm 2.5in sata with mbr and not gpt, setup in another machine - secure boot disabled, bios startup boot set to legacy then uefi - WWAN slot cannot use M.2 2242 sata with M and B key}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD R5 or R7}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 6.34 ahi 0x1022, 0x157a with ALC3268 aka ALC298 codec 0x10ec, 0x0298 - VOID even with QUERY / QUERYD added}} || <!--USB-->{{no|USB3 error on boot suspect AMD usb3 quirk}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 RTL8111EPV}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822BE WLAN whitelist locked cannot swap}} || <!--Test Distro-->{{maybe|AROSOne USB 32bit 1.8 with noacpi noapic noioapic added to grub2 boot line but Aros One 64bit 1.2 USB has krnPanic }} || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit 12 or 14in 768p - 45W or 65w lenovo rectangle ac adapter - F1 enter bios and F12 boot order - 6 retained screws and snap on base - 2100 error message no solution except using only efi/gpt bios option - |- |<!--Name-->320S-15AST, 320S-15ABR, ideapad Slim 1-11AST-05 81VR || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9220e, AMD A6-9225, A9-9425, A10-9600P 7th Gen || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe| Vesa 2D for AMD}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 or Realtek RTL8821CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AVX2 - 14in or 15.6" 768p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Ideapad S145-14AST S145-15AST 81N3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9225, A9-9425, A10-9600P 7th Gen, AMD A12-9720P Mobo 5B20P11110 NMB341 Bristol Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon 8670A 8670M 8690M GCN 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 or Realtek RTL8821CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AVX2 - 14in or 15.6" 768p or 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Ideapad V145-14AST V145-15AST, 81mt, Ideapad 310, Ideapad 320-15ABR, Ideapad 330-14AST 330-15AST 330-17AST || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-9225, A9-9425 (2c2t), A10-9600P 7th Gen, AMD A12-9720P Mobo 5B20P11110 NMB341 Bristol Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|sata 2.5in with optional dvd}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Radeon 8670A 8670M 8690M GCN 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with ALC3240-va3-cg aka ALC236? codec 0x10de, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 8106E 10/100 only}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377 or Realtek RTL8821CE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2017 64bit AVX2 - 14in or 15.6" 768p or 1080p - 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 45w 65w slim ac adapter - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo V330-14ARR 81B1, V330-15ARR 81, 330-14ARR 81 330-15ARR 81D2 - battery internal about 30whr || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen R3 2200U, 2300U or R5 2500U Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->M.2 nvme/sata, optional 2.5in sata but no dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 3, 6 or 8 up to 1Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio 0x1002, 0x15de with Realtek® ALC5682I-VD codec 0x10de, 0x or coxenant CX11802 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek 1GbE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14" 768p 20mm thick 1.8kg - 20v 2.25a 45w ac round barrel - chiclet keyboard - 4Gb soldered and 1 ddr4 sodimm - TPM 2.0 in bios - 4GB soldered - |- |<!--Name-->Ideapad 330s-14ARR, 330s-15ARR, ideapad 330S-14IKB, 330S-15IKB, - battery internal about 30whr || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen R3 2200U, 2300U or R5 2500U Raven Ridge || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|nvme}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD or Intel 610, 620 up to 1Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14" 20mm thick 1.8kg - 20v 2.25a 45w ac round barrel - chiclet keyboard - 4Gb soldered and 1 ddr4 sodimm - TPM 2.0 in bios - 4GB soldered - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad Edge E485 E585 - internal battery only || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen R3 2300U R5 2500U R7 2700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|m.2 nvme optional 1 2.5in sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Vega 3, 8 or 10}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with CX11852 codec }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 rtl8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in or 15.6in 768p or 1080p - USB-C 20V 2.25A 3.25A avoid knocking charging port as damages easily - 2 ddr4 sodimm slot max 2400Mhz 32GB - TPM 2.0 software - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad A285 - internal and external battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen PRO 3 2200U 5 2500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|m.2 nvme/sata}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC ALC3287 codec aka ALC257 }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Mini-Ethernet/Docking}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm - WLAN whitelist no more??}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 12.5in 1080p - avoid usb-c port being lifted/moved whilst in use as damages laptop easily - soldered ram 8gb or 16gb - WWAN whitelist - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad A485 bios setting [https://github.com/PSPReverse/PSPTool AMD PSP Platform Security Processor Key] - internal and external battery || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen PRO 5 2500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata port and m.2 nvme port || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC ALC3287 codec aka ALC 257 }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUL}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi - WLAN whitelist no more??}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 14in 768p, 1080p or 1440p - avoid usb-c port being lifted/moved whilst in use as damages laptop easily - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots max 32gb - WWAN whitelist - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->[https://www.diy-laptoprepair.com/forum/fix-Lenovo-V155-15-repair-guide-schematics.php Lenovo v155-15api 81V5] V155 (15" AMD) budget all plastic build - MS new protocol, HID over I2C so [https://askubuntu.com/questions/1033033/elantech-touchpad-does-not-work-i2c-hid i2c] [https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/drivers/input/mouse/elantech.c?h=v6.17 i2c] [https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.16/input/devices/elantech.html PS2 hybrid trackpad] [https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/sys/dev/atkbdc/psm.c?h=releng/14.3 elantech] [https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sys/dev/pckbc/?only_with_tag=OPENBSD_7_8_BASE i2c-hid] 04F3:3140 touchpad not working - internal sunwoda battery L18D3PF1, L18L3PF1, L18C3PF2 35Whr most dead after 5 years || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' Ryzen 5 3500U and Ryzen 3 3200U - '''untested''' AMD Athlon 300U with bios winbond 25q64fwsiq soic 1.8v bios near nvme || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 M.2 nvme and usually 2.5in 7mm sata - install on mbr not gpt 2.5in in another compatible machine - mini sata dvd/cd da-8aesh11b will boot cd or dvd aros || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D to 1080p work for Vega 3 or 8 with up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken but hdmi 1.4b no output}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio add 0x1022, 0x15E3 with ALC3287 aka Realtek ALC257 codec 0x10ec, 0x0257 with 32bit on external speaker and most of the time works on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|2 USB3.0, on left hand side, detected but no usb-c ports}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS works well with 32bit and 64bit}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Intel wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 AROS One 2.8 DVD 32bit and AROS One x64 1.1 and 1.2 iso DVD burnt || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6in 768p or 1080p 200nits tn panel - 4Gb ddr4 2400MHz soldered with 1 dimm slot max 20Gb - round ac 20V 65W psu 4.0mm x 1.7mm - Fn+F2 to enter bios and F12 boot order - no sd card slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - |- |<!--Name-->V15-ADA 82C700E4UK- elan touchpad not working - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD r5 3500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD + 1x M.2 SSD NVMe near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3, 8 with up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with R155189 ALC236 codec 0x10ec, 0x0236 on 32bit and on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 3500U with Aros One 32bit 2.8 installed to 2.5in drive on another machine and same for 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - noisy fan - |- |<!--Name-->V15-ADA 82C7 - elan touchpad not working - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Silver 3020e, Ryzen 3 3050U, 3150U, 3250U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD + 1x M.2 SSD NVme near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3, 8 with up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with RTS5119 R155119 ALC230 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3.0, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 Aros One 32bit 2.8 and 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - for this mbd bios ram disable doesn't work - noisy fan - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo V14-ADA 82C6, - elan touchpad not working - if blank black display, bios bug going from uefi->legacy so reset bios rhs push in with pin, then Down, ent, Right x3, ent, up, ent, right, ent x2 - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' 3250U - '''untested''' AMD Athlon Silver 3020e, Ryzen 3 3050U, 3150U - for this mbd GV451&GV551 NM-D151 bios ram disable doesn't work || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD if cbl + 1x M.2 SSD NVMe near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3 up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with Realtek ALC3223 RTS5119 R185199 aka ALC230 codec 0x10ec, 0x0230 on 32bit and on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 AMD 3250U with Aros One 32bit 2.8 installed to 2.5in drive on another machine and same for 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - F2 bios F12 select - |- |<!--Name-->IdeaPad 1 14ADA5 (low spec cpus) ideaPad 3 14ADA05, IdeaPad 3 15ADA05 81W100QVUK, IdeaPad 3 17ADA05 - elan touchpad not working - internal battery 34whr L16M2PB2 l16l2pb3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon Silver 3020e, Ryzen 3 3050U, 3150U, 3250U, Ryzen 5 3500U on mobo NM-C821 REV 0.2 1.0 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1x 2.5" HDD if cbl + 1x M.2 SSD NVMe near fan, no cd dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3, 8 up to 1080p with 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio 6.36 0x1022, 0x15E3 with ALC230 codec 0x10ec, 0x0230 on 32bit and on 64bit}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|3 USB3, on left hand side,}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Qualcomm wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->2025 Aros One 32bit 2.8 installed to 2.5in drive on another machine and same for 64bit || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14 or 15.6in 768p on low spec machines to 1080p - 4GB soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 2pin cr2032 cmos coin battery - sd card slot - F2 bios F12 boot select - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo IdeaPad L340-15API 81LW001CUS L340-17API - elan trackpad not functioning - internal battery L18M3PF2 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon 300U, Ryzen 3 3200U r5 3500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 M.2 nvme and usually 2.5in sata if ribbon cable present - mini sata dvd/cd da-8aesh11b || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 3 or 8 with up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken - hdmi 1.4b}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio add 0x1022, 0x15E3 with Realtek ALC236 0x10ec, 0x0236}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 not detected}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek or Intel wifi}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.8 USB - install on mbr not gpt 2.5in in another compatible machine || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 15.6in 768p or 1080p 200nits - 4Gb ddr4 2400MHz soldered with 1 dimm slot max 20Gb - round ac 20V 65W psu 4.0mm x 1.7mm - Return or F1 to enter bios and F12 boot order - no sd card slot - |- |<!--Name-->[https://www.laptop-schematics.com/db/78/T%20series%20laptops%20(ThinkPad)/ ThinkPad T295 T495] || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 3300U, R5 Pro 3500U or R7 3700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe up to 2280 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 6, 8 or 10 up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111EPV}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822BE or Intel AC 9260}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 14in 768p but mostly FHD 1080p 250 nits - internal battery - ram 8gb or 16gb 2400Mhz soldered with 1 ddr4 slot on T495 only - TPM 2.0 - usb-c charging avoid knock whilst in use - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T495s (14in) X395 (13in) || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 3300U, R5 Pro 3500U or R7 3700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe up to 2280 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA Vega 6, 8 or 10 up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{unk| needs Lenovo ThinkPad Ethernet Adapter Gen 2 SC10P42352 or SC10P42354}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek RTL8822BE or Intel AC 9260 wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 13in or 14in 768p but mostly FHD 1080p 250 nits - internal battery - ram 8gb or 16gb 2400Mhz soldered - TPM 2.0 - usb-c charging avoid knock whilst in use - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 Gen2, E15 Gen 2 (AMD) 20T8, - lenovo has a mobile phone PC Diagnostic App for error/beep codes || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300U, 5 4500U, 7 4700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2 m.2 nvme, 1 2242 and 1 2280 || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Radeon up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 15.6in 1080p 220 nits - TPM 2.0 - usb-c charging of internal 45Whr battery - 4gb ddr4 3200Mhz soldered and 1 ddr4 sodimm slot max 20Gb - keyboard swap problematic - plastic bendy case - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkPad T14 Gen 1, ThinkPad P14s Gen 1 (AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300u, 5 4500U, Ryzen 5 Pro 4650U, Ryzen 7 Pro 4750U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Vega }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 0x10EC, 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111EPV (DASH models) or RTL8111HN}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - USB-C charging avoid moving whilst in use - 14" or 15" 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - 8gb or 16gb 3200MHz soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - sd card slot - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkpad L14 Gen 1, L15 Gen 1, || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 4300u, 5 4500U, Ryzen 5 Pro 4650U, Ryzen 7 Pro 4750U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for AMD Vega }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 0x10EC, 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle RTL8111EPV (DASH models) or RTL8111HN}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - USB-C charger avoid moving whilst in use - 14" or 15" 1080p - keyboard swap problematic - 8gb or 16gb 3200MHz soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - sd card slot - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkPad X13 Gen1 AMD, || <!--Chipset-->AMD RYZEN 3 4450U, 5 4650U or 7 4750U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->One drive, up to 512GB M.2 2242 SSD or 1TB M.2 2280 SSD NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA Radeon up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| but USB-C ports can fail}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Realtek RTL8111EPV, mini RJ-45 to RJ-45 via optional ThinkPad Ethernet Extension Adapter Gen 2}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek Wi-Fi 6 RTL8852AE}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 13.3" HD 1366x768 to 1080p - USB-C port care needed as damages easily - Memory soldered to systemboard, no slots, dual-channel DDR4-3200 - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkBook 14 G2, 15 G2 Are || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 4500u, 7 4700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->14in has 2 m.2 nvme but 15in has 1 nvme and might have 2.5in sata metal caddy if smaller battery version || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC???? codec 0x10EC, 0x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit - 14in or 15in 1080p - usb-c charging but high failure rate on the charging port - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot 3200mhz - hinge(s) issues - |- |<!--Name-->IdeaPad 5 14ARE05 (81YM), Ideapad 5 15ARE05 (), IdeaPad 3 17ARE05 (model 81W5) - elan touchpad MSFT0004:00 06CB:CD98 not working || <!--Chipset-->'''tested''' 4500u - '''untested''' AMD 3 4300U (4c4t), 4600U (6c12t), 7 4700u (8c16t) on AMD Promontory Bixby FCH || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{no|1x M.2 2242 slot and 1x M.2 2280 NVMe which will take sata m.2 will boot to grub then laptop reset after choice}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D for Vega 6 via hdmi output up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio 6.36 0x1637 0x15e3 with Realtek ALC3287 aka ALC257 codec 0x10ec 0x0257}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 or 3.2 gen 1}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel ax200 wifi 6}} || <!--Test Distro-->4500u with AROS One 64bit 1.2 usb installed to m.2 sata on another machine || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit 14inch 768p or 1080p - round lenovo ac - 4gb, 8gb, or 16gb ddr4 3200Mhz ram soldered with 1 slot - keyboard swap problematic - integrated battery - |- |<!--Name-->Ideapad Flex 5 81X2, Lenovo Yoga 6 13ALC6 || <!--Chipset-->AMD R5 4500u, R7 4800U, R3 5300 R5 5500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->M.2 NVMe ssd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA AMD Vega up to 2Gb of soldered ram memory taken}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with ALC? codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3.1 gen 1}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|realtek ac wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit abs plastic case 14in convertible 1080p touch low nits - 65w usb-c psu ac - possible wacom esr note taking pen supplied - ram soldered DDR4 - keyboard swap problematic - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 2, P14s Gen 2 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 5850U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with ALC3287-CG codec 0x10EC, 0x0}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 - usb-c power 90% failure rate on the charging port - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo ThinkBook 14 G3, 15 G3 ACL, || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 5500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->m.2 nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 14in or 15in 1080p - usb-c charging powered - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 G3, E15 Gen 3 (AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 5300U 5500U 5650U 5700U 5800U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->up to 2 m.2 nvme || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 RTL8111GUS}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|realtek or intel }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - - usb-c charging issues - keyboard swap problematic - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 3200Mhz sodimm slot - plastic bendy case - |- |<!--Name-->V14 Gen 2 (82KA, 82KC) *ALO *ALC 82KD || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 5300U, 5 5500U, 7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme 2280 and optional 2.5in sata after sourcing ribbon cable and connector, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 15.6" FHD 1080p - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 65w round ac adaptor - |- |<!--Name-->V15 G2 Gen2 (82KB, 82KD) *ALO *ALC 82KD || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 3 5300U, 5 5500U, 7 5700U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme 2280 and optional 2.5in sata after sourcing ribbon cable and connector, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H-CG}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 15.6" FHD 1080p - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 sodimm slot - 65w round ac adaptor - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L15 Gen 2 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 5000 series AMD Ryzen 3 5400U (4c8t), 5 5600U, 5 5650U (6c12t), 7 PRO 5850U (8c16t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek® ALC3287}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle RTL8111EPV (DASH models) or RTL8111HN}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 15.6in 768p or 1080p - usb-c charging - 4gb soldered with 1 ddr4 3200Mhz sodimm slot - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 Gen 4, E15 Gen 4 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 3 5425u, 5 5625U, 7 5825u || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 (14") or 2 (15") nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15.6in 1080p - usb-c charging - 4gb or 8gb soldered with 1 ddr4 3200Mhz sodimm slot - L19M3PDA 45Whr battery - U24 TPS65994 and QB6 QB5 mosfet issues - plastic bendy case - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 3 Machine types MT 21AH 21AJ 21CF and 21CG, P14s Gen 3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6850U || <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d || <!--Audio-->{{unk| ALC3287-VA2-CG codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 14in |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14s Gen 3 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6500U || <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d || <!--Audio-->{{unk| ALC3287-VA2-CG codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Ethernet support via optional Lenovo® USB-C® to Ethernet Adapter}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 14in |- |<!--Name-->V14 G3, V15 G3 Gen3 ALC || <!--Chipset-->Ryzen 5 6500U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme and optional 2.5in sata if smaller 38Wh battery and after sourcing ribbon cable and connector, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15"FHD - battery BYD L20B2PFO - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L15 Gen 3 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 6000 series || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit- 15.6in 1080p - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Yoga 7 14ARB7 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 5, 6600U, 7 6800U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD 660M or 680M || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with ALC3306 aka alc287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 14in 1800p ips 300 nits - usb-c ac charging 71whr integrated battery - sd card slot - digital pen input - 8gb, 6gb or 32gb soldered ddr5 ram - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 4, P14s Gen 4 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen Pro 5 7540U, Ryzen Pro 7 7840U (AI NPU) || <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD 740M 780M|| <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 14in 1920x1200 - 8gb, 16gb or 32gb lpddr5 soldered - usb-c charging - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad E14 g5, E15 Gen 5 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 7000 series Ryzen 5-7530U, 7-7730U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit- 15.6in 1080p - |- |<!--Name-->Thinkbook 14 G6 ABP IRL, ThinkBook 16 G6ABP (21KK001CUK) || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 7530U 7730U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->m.2 nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 untested}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 14in 1200p or 1440p - 100W USB-C AC power adapter - |- |<!--Name-->IdeaPad Slim 5 Light 14ABR8 Laptop || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 3 7330U (4c8t) 5 7530U (6c12t) 7 7730U (8c16t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2 m.2 nvme slot - 1 2242, 1 2280 || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with Realtek® ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 14in 1080p - 8Gb or 16Gb soldered ram - usb-c charging only - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad X13 Gen 4 (13" AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 7480U 7040U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 - avoid usb-c port damage - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L14 (Gen4), L15 Gen 4 (15" AMD) || <!--Chipset-->MD Ryzen 5 PRO 7530U, 7480U 7040U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|VESA}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - elan trackpad - |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Gen 4 V14 (82YT, 82YV, 83A0, 83A1, 83CC, 83FR, 82YX, 83FG), V15 (82YU, 82YW, 83FS, 82YY, 83CR), V17 (83A2), || <!--Chipset-->AMD AMD Athlon™ Gold 7220U (2c4t), AMD Athlon™ Silver 7120U (2c2t), AMD Ryzen™ 3 7320U (4c8t), AMD Ryzen™ 5 7520U (4c8t) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme and 2.5in sata if smaller 38Wh battery, no dvd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d for AMD 610M HDMI® and USB-C}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDaudio with ALC3287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Gigabit Ethernet, 1x RJ-45}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|wifi 6}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit - 15.6" FHD 1080p - 8 or 16Gb soldered - 65W round tip (3-pin) AC adapter or USB-C - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad e14 G6, e15 Gen 6 (15″, AMD) || <!--Chipset-->AMD 7000 series AMD Ryzen™ 7 7735HS || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D for AMD Radeon || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit- 15.6in 1080p - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad L16 (16" AMD), || <!--Chipset-->AMD 8000 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->nvme || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2D || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB4}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|rtl8169 needs dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad T14 Gen 5, P14s Gen 5 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 8840U, AMD Ryzen™ 5 PRO 8540U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVME || <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d || <!--Audio-->{{unk| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169 }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - 14inch 1920 x 1200 - |- |<!--Name--> Lenovo WinBook 300e SKU: 82GKS00000 || <!--Chipset-->AMD 3015E || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2023 64bit 4GB 64GB SSD 11.6 Inch Touchscreen Windows 10 Pro Laptop |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- |<!--Name-->Lenovo Yoga Slim 7a || <!--Chipset-->AMD Ryzen AI 7350 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->1 nvme || <!--Gfx-->AMD 860M || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDaudio with ALC3306 aka alc287 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| wifi}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - 14in 1800p ips 300 nits - usb-c ac charging 71whr integrated battery - sd card slot - digital pen input - 8gb, 6gb or 32gb soldered ddr5 ram - |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |<!--Name-->ThinkPad || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Samsung==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="2%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->NP-Q1 Q1 || <!--Chipset-->Celeron-M 353 ULV 600Mhz || <!--IDE-->{{Yes|1.8" SFF HDD 20 / 60 GB }} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 915 2D and 3D opengl1 tunnel 95 gearbox 68}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec - head phones only}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} || <!--Wireless-->{{Yes|Atheros 5006EX}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit old style tablet UltraMobile PC UMPC - Wacom serial resistive pen or finger no support - 1 sodimm ddr2 max 1Gb - LCD 7" WVGA (800 x 480) - CompactFlash port Type II - |- | <!--Name-->NP Q1U Ultra Mobile PC UMPC Q1F NP-Q1-F000 || <!--Chipset-->Intel A100 600 / A110 Stealey 800 MHz CPU || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|GMA 950 2D and 3D opengl1}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio 1986}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Atheros 5006EX}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit 1024×600 - sd card slot - |- | <!--Name-->NP P500 family P500Y || <!--Chipset-->AMD with SB600 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA Ati x1250}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| Audio with codec }} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8039 yukon}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|Atheros G}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->64bit possible - 15.4 tft display - cheap plastic okay build - 19v propriety end - |- | <!--Name-->R505 R510 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros G || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->R520 R522 R610H R620 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Mobile Core i3 Intel PM45 82801M ICH9-M|| <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4650 (RV730) || <!--Audio-->Intel HD Audio with Realtek ALC272 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Marvell Yukon 88E8057 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR5007EG || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2010 64 bit possible |- | NP-R530 || || {{N/A}} || {{partial|IDE mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{partial|HD Audio playback}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{no|Marvell}} || {{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || Icaros 1.5.2 || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Samsung R730 17.3 Essential Notebook NP-R730-JA02UK, NP-R730-JA01SE, R730-JT06 || <!--Chipset-->Intel HM55 Dual Core T4300 i3-370M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA for Intel 4500MHD and GeForce G 310M with 1 VGA, 1 HDMI}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio ALC??? codec Realtek}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell Yukon 88E8059 PCI-E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Broadcom, Intel or Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods ISO 2023-11 || <!--Comments-->2010 64bit - 17.3in HD 1280 x 720 pixels low contrast or some 1600x900 - 2 DDR3 sodimm slots - 2.84 kg 6.26 lbs - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Samsung-305U1A-A01DE-Subnotebook.68246.0.html Series 3 Samsung 305u1a] || <!--Chipset-->AMD Zacate E350 or E450 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon 6320 || <!--Audio-->ALC ACL 269 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111 8169 || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom 4313 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit |- | <!--Name-->NP-RV415 NP-RV515 || <!--Chipset-->E350 or E450 plus A50M chipset || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon HD 6470 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|RTL8169 Realtek RTL8111 8168B}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit slow - |- | <!--Name-->Series 5 NP535U3C || <!--Chipset-->A6-4455M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in || <!--Gfx-->radeon || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit slow - 13.3in 1368 x 768 - plastic build - 65w 19v psu - |- | <!--Name-->series 3 NP355V5C || <!--Chipset-->A6-4400M, A8-4500M, A10-4600M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2.5in || <!--Gfx-->7640M || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit - 15.4in 1368 x 768 - plastic build - 65w 19v psu - |- | <!--Name-->Samsung ATIV Book 9 Lite NP905S3G || <!--Chipset-->AMD A6-1450 quad 1GHz Temash atom like || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->128gb || <!--Gfx-->AMD 8250 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek rtl8169 but only with mini LAN AA-AE2N12B Ethernet Adapter RJ45 dongle}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9565}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - 13.3 TN glossy 1366 x 768 200nits 60% srgb - plastic case - 26W battery built in with 4hr life - 19V 2.1A 3.0*1.0mm psu - 1 ddr3l slot max 4gb - 720p webcam - mini hdmi out - 1w speakers - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Toshiba==== [[#top|...to the top]] Order of Build Quality (Lowest to highest) <pre > Equium Satellite (Pro) Libretto Portege Tecra </pre > {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Tecra 8100 8200 9000 || 440BX || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|S3 Savage MX 3D (VESA only)}} || {{no|Yamaha DS-XG ymf744 ymf-754}} || {{yes|USB1.1 only}} || {{N/A}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.5 || little support |- | <!--Name-->Tecra 9100 || <!--Chipset-->810 || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|S3 Savage IX}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|ymf754}} || <!--USB-->USB 1.1 || <!--Ethernet-->eeee pro100 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->PSU Adapter For Toshiba Tecra 9000 9100 A1 A10 A11 A3 A3X A4 A5 A7 M1 M2 M3 M4 M5 M7 M9 R10 S1 series 75 Watt 15V 5A |- | [http://tuxmobil.org/toshiba_sp4600.html Satellite Pro 4600] || i810 || IDE || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Trident Cyber Blade XP (VESA only)}} || {{no|YAMAHA DS-XG AC97 ymf754}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel e100}} || {{no|Agere (internal PCMCIA)}} || || little support |- | Satellite 2805 S603 || Intel 815 || {{yes|IDE}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|nVidia GeForce2 Go}} || {{no|Yamaha Corp YMF 754}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO/100}} || {{dunno}} || || little support |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A10 S167 S1291 - A15 A20 A25 || <!--Chipset-->P4M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GM or Radeon || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139 || <!--Wireless-->{{Maybe|Intel 2100, Agere or Atheros PA3399U 1MPC minipci}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->a few models came with antenna leads |- | Satellite [http://eu.computers.toshiba-europe.com/innovation/jsp/SUPPORTSECTION/discontinuedProductPage.do?service=EU&com.broadvision.session.new=Yes&PRODUCT_ID=76230 A30-714] || P4-M / 82845 i845 || {{yes|82801}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes}} || {{yes|RTL8139}} || {{N/A}} || Icaros 1.2.4 || nice laptop, drawbacks: heavy, really hot (P4-3.06 GHz!!) - A30 (EU) A33 (Australian) A35 (USA) - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A40 A45 || <!--Chipset-->P4M or Celeron M with Intel 845 865 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GME or Radeon 7000 Mobility || <!--Audio-->AC97 Realtek || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5002G 5004G - PA3299U mini pci || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - A40 S161 A40-S1611 A40-2701, A45-S120 A45-S1201 S130 S1301 S1501 - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite a50 A55 a60-s156 Equium A60 PSA67E A65 || <!--Chipset-->P4M or Celeron M with Intel 845 865 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GME or Radeon 7000 Mobility || <!--Audio-->AC97 Realtek || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5002G 5004G - PA3299U mini-pci || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A70 A75-S206 A80 A85-S107 || <!--Chipset-->P4M or Celeron-M with Intel 845 865 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 852GME or Radeon 7000 Mobility || <!--Audio-->AC97 Realtek || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5002G 5004G - PA3299U mini-pci || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5.1 || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - |- | Toshiba Satellite Pro M30 || intel 855 || {{yes|boots with ATA=nodma option}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{yes|Intel PRO/100 VE}} || {{dunno}} || Icaros 1.5 || nice laptop with some support |- | <!--Name-->Portege M300 - M200 tablet || <!--Chipset-->855GM with 1.2GHz Pentium M 753 || <!--IDE-->{{yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d only - tablet with nvidia 5200 go}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 STAC 9750}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Intel PRO 100}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->little support |- | <!--Name-->Tecra M2 M2-S || <!--Chipset-->Intel 855P Pentium-M || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->nvidia fx go5200 32mb or 64mb agp || <!--Audio-->AC97 1981B || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Intel Pro || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - PSU 15V 5A - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro L20 267 (PSL2YE PSL2XE) PSL25E L30 || <!--Chipset-->Celeron M 370 1.4 1.5GHz, 1.73Ghz with RC410M SB400 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA - Ati x200}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|[https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-490297-start-0.html ALC861]}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Boots usb sticks}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8139 Realtek 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros mini-pci should work maybe not working with ATi chipset or need to swap??}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit 14" pioneer dvd-rw - 19v |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L30 PSL30E L33 PSL33E || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 800 or ATi RC410 x200 || <!--Audio-->AC97 AD1981B or HD Audio ALC861 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros or Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->L30 PSL30L 101 PSL33E 113 115 134 00M019 - |- | Satellite Pro M40 313 psm44e || AMD with Ati || {{yes|boots with ATA=nodma}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|VESA}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{yes|}} || {{maybe|atheros askey ar5bmb5 mini pci}} || || 2005 32bit - nice laptop with some support |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L40 PSL40E PSL40L, PSL43E || <!--Chipset-->945GM with U7700 1.3GHz ULV || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 945 || <!--Audio-->{{No|Intel HD with AD1986A codec}} || <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR24xx Askey || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0.3 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit only - - 12X 13G 139 14B 143 15J 19O - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L45 PSL40U S7409 S2416 || <!--Chipset-->945GM with Celeron M 440 1.86 GHz || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 945 || <!--Audio-->{{No|Intel HD with AD1986A codec}} || <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR24xx Askey || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.0.3 || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit only - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro A100 || <!--Chipset-->940G || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia G72M Quadro NVS 110M GeForce Go 7300 / Ati (PSAA3E)|| <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC861 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 100 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 swap with atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A110 159 (PSAB0), Equium A110 (PSAB2E), Satellite A110 233 (PSAB6), || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->ALC861 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8136 || <!--Wireless-->Atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro A120 PSAC0 PSAC1 PSAC1E || <!--Chipset-->Core Solo GMA 950 to T2300 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 945 || <!--Audio-->ALC262 or AC97 AD1981B || <!--USB-->UHCI EHCI || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Atheros Ar5001 or Intel or Broadcom || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->15V 4A charger - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro A120 || <!--Chipset-->Core Duo ATi RS480 + SB450 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA - ATI RC410 Radeon Xpress 200M || <!--Audio-->ALC262 || <!--USB-->OCHI UHCI || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139 || <!--Wireless-->Intel 3945 or Atheros Ar5001 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->15v 5a proprietary charger needed |- | <!--Name-->Satelite A130 PSAD6U || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8101E || <!--Wireless-->Atheros or Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->ST1311 s1311 ST1312 S2276 S2386 - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A135 S2686 (Compal LA 3391P) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8101E || <!--Wireless-->Atheros or Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->S2246 S2346 S2256 S4477 S4666 S4827 - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite A200 PSAE1E (Inventec MW10M) || <!--Chipset-->Pentium M with 945GM Express Celeron M 520 1.6Ghz or Pentium® Core Duo T2130 1.86 GHz || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}}|| <!--SATA--> {{Maybe|SATA}}|| <!--Gfx--> {{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D and 3D)}}|| <!--Audio--> {{Yes|HD Audio ALC862}}|| <!--USB--> {{Yes| }}|| <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|RTL8101E rtl8139}}|| <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros 5000 - FN,F5 or FN,F8 or switch}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 AspireOS 1.8 || <!--Comments-->2006 Excellent 32 bit support! - make sure that your WLAN card is enabled, do this using the hardware switch and FN+F8 key combination |- | <!--Name--> A210, Satellite A215 AMD (Inventec 10A) S5808 || <!--Chipset--> Ati with SB690 || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}}|| <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|SATA}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA HD2600 Mobility M76}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC268 || <!--USB--> {{Yes| }}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8101E}}|| <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros 5000}}|| <!--Test Distro-->2018 AspireOS 1.8 || <!--Comments-->A215-S7422 A215-S7472 A215-S4697 (USA) - |- | <!--Name--> [http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=62036 A215 S4757] || <!--Chipset--> Ati X1200 with SB600 || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}}|| <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|SATA}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> {{Yes| }}|| <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8101E}}|| <!--Wireless--> {{yes|Atheros 5000}}|| <!--Test Distro-->2017 AspireOS 1.8 || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Qosmio G30 (PQG31C-HD202E) || <!--Chipset-->945 with Duo T2500 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Nouveau Nvidia Go 7600 2d and 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - 17" UXGA 1920x1200, |- | <!--Name-->Tecra A10 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> {{Maybe|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|Intel GMA 4500M (2D)}} || <!--Audio--> {{Yes|HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> {{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO 1000}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel WiFi Link 5100}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->64 bit possible |- | <!--Name-->L35 - L40 PSL48E - L45 S7423 || <!--Chipset-->GL960 with Intel Celeron || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|X3100 some 2D but software 3d tunnel 9 gearbox 4}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC660 codec playback}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|REALTEK 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Realtek 8187b replace with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->1,73Ghz M 520 or M 540 or Dual T2310 (1.46 GHz) T2330 (1.6 GHz) - 14H 14N 15B 17H 17K 17R 17S 18Z - |- | <!--Name-->Satellite a300 - inventec potomac 10s pt10s A300D 21H || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio - Realtek || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8102E || <!--Wireless-->Atheros 5005 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->satellite L300D-224 PSLC8E PSLC9E, l305 (inventec ps10s) || <!--Chipset-->AMD M780 with Turion RM70 or QL-64 || <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} || <!--SATA--> {{yes|SATA}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|use VESA for Radeon 3100}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio with Realtek ALC268}} || <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet--> {{no|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Atheros G XB63L or Intel or Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> Icaros Desktop Live 2.3 AROS One 2.3 || <!--Comments--> Wireless-handler crashing when using Atheros-Wireless-Card |- | <!--Name-->Satellite P300 (PSPC0C-01D01C) || <!--Chipset-->945GM with Intel Core 2 Duo T5750 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Audio-->{{No| codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| swap with Atheros 5k }} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 64bit || <!--Comments-->2007 |- | <!--Name-->satellite l300-1bw PSLBDE-005005AR, L300-148 PSLB0E, l300-20D PSLB8E-06Q007EN, l300-294 L300-23L PSLB9E || <!--Chipset-->Intel GM45 + PGA478 socket Celeron 900, Pentium T1600, T2390, T3400 (Socket P) to Core2 Duo T6400 T6670 || <!--IDE--> {{unk|IDE}} || <!--SATA--> {{unk|SATA}} || <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|use VESA for Intel gma 4500M}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio with Realtek ALC???}} || <!--USB--> {{unk|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet--> {{unk|rtl8169 Realtek 810xE}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel or Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64-bit - new unfamiliar Bios called insyde H20 - |- | <!--Name-->satellite l350d || <!--Chipset-->AMD Athlon (tm) X2 QL-60 + RS780M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 3100 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->Realtek 8187b || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Satellite L450 12 13 14 || <!--Chipset-->AMD Sempron, 2.1GHz with AMD RS780M || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 3200 (based on HD 2400) || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E || <!--Wireless-->Realtek 8172 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 12X 13P 13X 14V PSLY6E00C006EN |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro L450 (Compal LA-5821P) 179 || <!--Chipset-->intel celeron 900 2.20 Ghz no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->intel 4500m || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL8101 /2 /6E PCI Express Gigabit || <!--Wireless-->RTL8191 SEvB || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 39.6cm (15.6”) Toshiba TruBrite® HD TFT 16:9 768p |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Toshiba Satellite P775, P775-S7320 and P775-10K || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5 (2nd Gen) 2430M i7-2630QM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2D for Intel}} || <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 17.3" - 1600 x 900 (HD+) - 2 DDR3 sodimm max 16Gb - |- |<!--Name-->Toshiba Satellite C660D-19X || <!--Chipset-->AMD E-300 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for ATi}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio with Realtek codec}} || <!--USB-->{{no| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|r8169 rtl8101e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek RTL8188 8192ce rtl8192ce}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->L755D (E-350) L750D (E-450) || <!--Chipset-->AMD E350 E450 no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 6310 6320 || <!--Audio-->HDAudio conexant codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->Realtek || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Satellite Pro SP C640 C660D-15X (PSC1YE) C670D- () || <!--Chipset-->AMD E350 no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->6310G || <!--Audio-->HD Realtek ALC259 || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek || <!--Wireless-->Broadcom || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->C70D-A C75D-A || <!--Chipset-->E1-1200 no sse4.1 or avx || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|AMD HD8330}} || <!--Audio-->{{no|HA Audio CX20751 11Z}} || <!--USB-->{{no| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8162 alx}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek 8188e}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- |} ====Misc==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Time 500 Packard Bell EasyOne 1450 1550 || <!--Chipset-->K6-3 500Mhz + VIA MVP4 vt82c686a || <!--IDE-->{{N/A|Issues}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA || <!--Audio-->{{No|VIA AC97 3058 with wolfson codec WM9703 WM9704 WM9707 WM9708 or WM9717}} || <!--USB-->via 3038 2 ports USB 1.1 untested || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro-->NB May 2013 || <!--Comments-->2001 32bit grub runs but stalls around [PCI] Everything OK |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio PCG FX201/FX202 FX210/FX215 FX401/FX402 FX404/FX405 972M, FX501/FX502 FX504/FX505 || <!--Chipset-->VIA KT133A KM133 Duron 800Mhz Athlon 1.3Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{partial|boot issue with 2013 kernel VIA [rev 06]}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI Rage Mobility Pro (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|VIA AC97 686b [rev 50] AD1881A Ear phone and Mic}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|issues}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Comments-->Nightly 1st March 2013 || <!--Comments-->booting usb pendrive from Plop Boot Loader floppy (no bios USB boot). Can freeze coz hardware issue or a ram slot problem - no support for iLink firewire VT8363/8365 pci - vt82c686b |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio PCG FX601/FX602, FX604/FX605 FXA53(US), FX701/FX702, FX704/FX705, FX801/FX802 FX804/FX805 || <!--Chipset-->VIA KT133A KM133 Duron 800Mhz Athlon 1.3Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{partial|boot issue with 2013 kernel VIA [rev 06]}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{partial|ATI Rage Mobility Pro (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|VIA AC97 686b [rev 50] AD1881A Ear phone and Mic}} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|issues}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8139}} || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Comments-->Nightly 1st March 2013 || <!--Comments-->booting usb pendrive somes works |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio PCG FX100 R505LE || <!--Chipset-->Intel i815 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Use VESA Intel 82815 CGC || <!--Audio-->Intel ICH AC97 with ADI AD1881A codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel e100 || <!--Wireless-->{{N/A}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->PCG-FX105 FX105K PCG-FX108 FX108K PCG-FX109 FX109K FX200 FX203/FX203K FX205 FX205K FX209 FX209K FX220 [http://juljas.net/linux/vaiofx240/ FX240] FX250 FX270 FX290 FX301 FX302 FX340 FX370 FX390 FX403 FX503 FX950 |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | Sony VAIO VGN X505VP || Pentium M ULV and Intel 855GM || {{yes}} || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|Intel 855 (VESA only)}} || {{yes|AC97}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|Intel PRO 100 VE}} || {{N/A}} || || 2004 32bit - 0.38 inches at its thinnest point - first laptop to feature a "chiclet" keyboard resemble Chiclets gum - |- | <!--Name-->Sony Z505LE Z505JE || <!--Chipset-->P3 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA-->n/a || <!--Gfx-->Rage Mobility M1 AGP mach64 || <!--Audio-->no Yamaha DS-XG PCI YMF744 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Intel 8255x based PCI e100 || <!--Wireless-->n/a || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughbook CF-18 || <!--Chipset-->Core || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|gma for i915}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 SigmaTel}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|usb2 }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL 8139C}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel swap for atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->Deadwoods' D02 test || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughbook CF-29 CF-30 || <!--Chipset-->Core || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->use VESA || <!--Audio-->AC97 SigmaTel || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8139C || <!--Wireless-->Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2003 32bit |- | <!--Name-->MSI Microstar PR210 || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use VESA ATi RS690M}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio through speaker / head phones but not hdmi}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8111 8169}} || <!--Wireless-->Atheros AR242x AR542x aw-ge780 mini pci-e || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - ENE PCI based SD card with no bios boot option |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Advent 7106 EAA-88 || <!--Chipset-->Pentium M 1.7GHz with 915GM || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D and 3D tunnel 187 gearbox 67}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 Intel ICH6 with Conexant Cx20468 31 codec playback head phones only}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 2200BG Fn/F2 replaced with atheros mini pci in small base panel - startup errors in wireless manager}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.1 || <!--Comments-->2005 32bit 14" cheap rubbish sadly - fan noise through audio channel - |- | <!--Name-->Motion Computing LE1600 PC Slate || <!--Chipset-->915 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->915 || <!--Audio-->Intel AC97 SigmaTel STAC9758 9759 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8169 || <!--Wireless-->Intel PRO Wireless 2200BG || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2005 serial Wacom digitiser not usb |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughbook CF-51 CF-P1 CF-T5 CF-Y2 || <!--Chipset-->945GMS || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Broadcom || <!--Wireless-->Intel || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Sony Vaio VGN-AR11S || <!--Chipset-->ntel Core Duo T2500 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{yes| Nvidia Go 7600}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{no| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| }} || <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 32bit || <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - 17" 1920x1200 - blu-ray - |- | Sony Vaio VGN SR29VN || Intel ICH9 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE legacy}} || {{partial|ATI HD 3400 (VESA only)}} || {{partial|HD Audio (too quiet)}} || {{yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} || {{no|Marvell 8040}} || {{no|Intel 5100}} || Icaros 1.5 || 2007 32bit - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Wyse XM Class DELL WYSE Xn0m LAPTOP || <!--Chipset-->AMD T-G56N 1.6 1.65Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA-->decased 2.5in ssd || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d only AMD 6320}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--USB-->{{Maybe|EHCI 2.0 with NEC uPD720200 USB 3.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek rtl8169 8111E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 93xx}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 1366 x 768 14" - 2 ddr3l slots max 16gb - 19v coax barrel plug psu - |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughpad FZ-G1 MK2 || <!--Chipset-->Core i5-3437U, 1.9GHz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->ToughPad FZ-G1 Mk3 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Core i5-4310U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel HD 4400 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio Codec ALC255 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2015 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->[https://wiki.recessim.com/view/Panasonic_Toughpad_FZ-G1_MK4 Panasonic Toughpad FZ-G1 MK4] || <!--Chipset-->intel 6300U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel 520 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC256 codec - o/c or s/c fails early || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 but options on the right hand side of screen case}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|intel ac 8260}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 10.1in 1600x1200 - 4gb ddr3l soldered - waterproof pen left hand side base - optional slot-in 4g lte and sdhc - 16v 4.06A 64.96W panasonic barrel - |- | <!--Name-->Panasonic Toughpad FZ-G1 MK5 || <!--Chipset-->intel i5-7300U || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel 620 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio ALC295 codec - o/c or s/c fails early || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 but optional usb2 plugin r.h.s. of screen casing}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 8gb ddr3l soldered - 10.1" WUXGA 1920 x 1200 with LED backlighting screen 2-800 nit - 10-point capacitive multi touch + Waterproof Digitizer pen l.h.s - |- | <!--Name-->ToughPad FZ-M1 || <!--Chipset-->Intel® Core TM m5-6Y57 vPro TM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->sata || <!--Gfx-->Intel HD 4200 || <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC codec || <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no| }} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 7in 800p - 8gb ddr3l soldered - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Wireless || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ===Netbook=== [[#top|...to the top]] * PC to write Aros image onto an USB pendrive with Raspberry PI writer, USB writer or Rufus for boot purposes on a netbook * SD card sometimes can boot like Dell 2100, EeePC 1001P, ASUS EeePC 900, acer aspire one d150, MSI Wind U100, ====Acer Packard Bell Netbooks==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width=100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Aspire One AOA110 (A110) (ZG5) || Intel 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA (2D and 3D) tunnel 99 and gearbox 84 score}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC6628}} || {{Yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} || {{Yes|rtl8169 RTL8101E}} || {{Yes|AR5006}} atheros 5k || 2016 AspireOS 1.8, 2025 Aros One 2.6 32bit USB || 2007 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel A13-045N2A 19V2.37A 45W 5.5x1.7mm - |- | Aspire One AOA150 (A150) (ZG5) || Intel 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and accelerated 3D with tunnel 99 and gearbox 84.1 result}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC6628}} || {{Yes|uhci and ehci}} || {{Yes|rtl8169 RTL8101E}} || {{Yes|AR5006}} atheros 5k || 2016 AspireOS 1.8, 2025 aros one 2.6 32bit USB || 2007 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel - |- | Aspire One AOD150 D150 (Compal LA-4781P), AOD110 D110 (ssd) || Intel 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide legacy}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{Yes|HDAudio with alc272}} || {{Yes|USB}} || {{No|Atheros AR8121 AR8113 AR8114 l1e}} || {{Maybe|AR5007EG AR5BXB63 works but Broadcom BCM4312 has no support}} || 2010 Icaros Desktop 1.3, 2024 Aros one 32bit USB || 2008 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel - |- | Aspire One (ZG8) || Intel 945G and N270 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 2D and accelerated 3D}} || {{maybe|HD Audio }} || {{Yes|uhci and ehci}} || {{No|Broadcom }} || {{no|Intel}} || 2014 AspireOS 1.8 || 2009 32bit - |- | Aspire One AOD250 D250 emachines em250 || 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|ide legacy}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{Yes|alc272 HD Audio}} || {{Yes}} || {{No|AR8132 (L1c)}} || {{No|BCM4312 or Atheros AR5B95}} || 2010 Icaros 1.3 || 2009 32bit 1 core - 19v barrel - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire AO532H (Compal LA-5651p) 533H Pineview || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio playback}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|AR8132 (L1c)}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros 9k}} || [http://www.amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?mode=flat&order=0&item_id=5968 Tested AspireOS June 2011] || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->emachines eM350 NAV51 || <!--Chipset--> with N450 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel 3150 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.2 || <!--Comments-->Single core 64bit - 160GB HDD 1GB RAM 10.1" LED backlit screen and Webcam - 3 cell li-ion battery for 3 hours usage - |- | <!--Name-->emachines eM355 || <!--Chipset--> with N455 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->64bit support possible - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One 533 || <!--Chipset-->N455 with NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D 0x8086 0xa011}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| ALC272 codec ich7}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8152 v1.1 1c}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom 4313}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 Icaros 2.1 and AROS One 2.3 || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - f2 setup - 10.1inch 1024 x 768 - |- | Aspire One AOD255 AOD255e AOD260 AOHAPPY (Compal LA-6221P) || N570 and Nm10 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|SATA}} || {{Maybe|Intel GMA 3150}} || Audio || USB || {{No|Atheros AR8152 V1.1 (1lc)}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313}} || || a little support |- | Aspire One 522 AO522 (Compal LA-7072p) || 1GHz dual C-50 C50 or C-60 C60 + Hudson M1 || {{N/A}} || SATA || AMD 6250 (ATI 9804) or 6290 || ATI SB CX20584 HD Audio || USB || Atheros 8152 v2.0 l1c || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313 or Atheros ath9k}} || || |- | <!--Name-->AAOD270 Aspire One D270 || <!--Chipset-->N2600 Cedarview || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D on Intel GMA 3650}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8169 RTL8101E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4313 but swap for Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit atom - ddr2 so-dimm 2gb max - |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One AO532G (Compal LA-6091p) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One D257 (Quanta ZE6) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire One 722 AO722 P1VE6 || <!--Chipset-->AMD C-60 C60 with SB900 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| use VESA Ati 6290}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec but no Wrestler HDMI output}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros AR8152 v2.0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9485}} || <!--Test Distro-->2017 Icaros 2.1.2 || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Aspire One AO721 (Wistron SJV10-NL) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->AO751 AO751H (Quanta ZA3) || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot .S || <!--Chipset-->N280 + || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|legacy}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA950 (2D)}}|| <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC272X || <!--USB--> USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Atheros l1e}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Atheros 9k}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot .SE || <!--Chipset-->N450 + || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA950 (2D) || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC|| <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot .S2 NAV50 || <!--Chipset-->N455 NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel X3150 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC269 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Atheros || <!--Wireless-->Atheros || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Packard Bell Dot M/A || <!--Chipset-->1.2GHz Athlon L110 + RS690E || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy mode? || <!--Gfx-->AMD ATI Radeon Xpress X1270 (VESA only) || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ATI SBx00 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E rtl8169 || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Asus Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | [http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Models eeePC] 700 701 2G 4G 8G Surf || Intel 910GML + ICH7 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 900 2D and 3D tunnel 68 gearbox 43 on 701 800x480}} || {{Yes|ALC662 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|UHCI and EHCI}} || {{No|Atheros L2}} || {{Yes|Atheros 5k AR5007EG (AR2425 works}} || 2016 Icaros 2.1.1, 2.1.2, Aros One 2.5 32bit USB, || 2007 32bit - power supplies fail due to bad caps issue 9.5V 2.5A 24W Charger AD59930 4.8*1.7MM - |- | [http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Models eeePC] 701SD || Intel 910GML + ICH7 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Maybe|Intel GMA 900 (2D)}} || {{Yes|ALC662 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|UHCI and EHCI}} || {{No|Atheros L2}} || {{No|RTL8187SE swap with Atheros 5k}} || 2014 AspireOS 1.7, || 2007 32bit - boot issues but does boot with ATA=32bit,nopoll or ATA=nodma,nopoll |- | [http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Models eeePC] 900 || Intel 910GML + ICH7 || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Maybe|Intel GMA 900 (2D, 3D in some models)}} || {{Yes|ALC662 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|UHCI and EHCI}} || {{No|Atheros L2}} || {{Maybe|depends on chipset AR5007EG (AR2425) works but not RaLink}} || 2014 AspireOS 1.7, || 2008 32bit - boot issues but does boot with ATA=32bit,nopoll or ATA=nodma,nopoll. 900's may need BIOS upgrade to boot usb optical drives. 3D available in some model revisions - AD59230 9.5v 2.31a psu - |- | eeePC 900A || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (3D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC269}} || {{Yes|USB2.0}} || {{No|Atheros L1e [1969 1026]}} || {{Yes|Atheros 5k AR242x}} || Nightly Build 2012, 2023 Aros One 32bit 2.4 || 2009 32bit |- | eeePC 901 1000 || 945GM || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{Yes|ALC269 HD Audio}} || {{Yes|USB}} || {{No|Atheros L1E (AR8121 AR8113 AR8114)}} || {{No|RaLink Device 2860 swap with Atheros 5k}} || 2011 Icaros 1.4, || 2009 32bit - 12v 3a psu - |- | eeePC Seashell 1000HA 1000HE 1008 1005HA || N280 + Intel GMA950 || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{Yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio ALC269}} || {{Yes|USB}} || {{Maybe|Realtek but not Atheros AR8132 (L1c)}} || {{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || 2014 Aspire OS 1.6, || 2010 32bit - 12v 3a psu - |- | <!--Name-->eeePC 1001ha || <!--Chipset-->GMA945 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 950 (2D) || <!--Audio-->ALC269 HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Attansic Atheros AR8132 l1c}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|RaLink RT3090 swap with Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2010 32bit |- | eeePC 1001P T101MT 1005PX 1005PE 1015PE Pineview 1001PXD || NM10 and N450 N455 CPU || {{N/A}} || {{Maybe|IDE mode}} || {{Yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio}} || {{Yes|USB 2.0}} || {{No|Atheros AR8132 (l1c)}} || {{unk|Atheros AR928x 802.11n}} || 2010 Icaros 1.3.3, || 2011 64bit - 19V 2.1A 2.3x0.7 - |- | EeePC 1015B 1215B || single C-30 C30 or dual C-50 C50 + Hudson M1 || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{partial|AMD 6250 (VESA only)}} || ATI SBx00 HD Audio || USB || {{No|AR8152 v2.0 atl1c}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM4313 [14e4 4727]}} || untested recently || 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Flare X101CH Cedarview || <!--Chipset-->N2600 + N10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 6300 || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros l1c 2.0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Flare 1025CE 1225CE || <!--Chipset-->N2800 + N10 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{dunno|Intel GMA 3600}} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros l1c 2.0}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros 9k AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Dell Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Inspiron 910 Mini 9 PP39S Vostro A90 || GMA945 || {{Maybe|STEC 8G 16G 32G IDE PATA Parallel ATA miniPCIE SSD 50MM / 70MM very slow}} || {{N/A| }} || {{yes|Intel GMA 2D and 3D opengl1}} || {{yes|ALC268 HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB2 boots and works}} || {{yes|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8102E}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4310 and 4312 swap with atheros 5k bx32}} || ICAROS 1.3 but Icaros 2.3 (pci issues), AROS One 2.6 and Tiny AROS (digiclock startup) mouse cursor vanishes || 2008 32bit - 9inch 1024x600 screen - 1 ddr2 sodimm slot max 2gig - 19v 1.58a - 0 boot disk select - cr2032 battery under laptop base cover, while mem 2GB max under base flap - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron Mini 10 1010 PP19S || <!--Chipset-->Atom Z520 Z530 Intel US15W Poulsbo || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel GMA 500 (VESA only)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio ALC269 codec}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Intel or BCM4312}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - 10.10 inch 16:9, 1366 x 768 glossy - 28whr or 56wHr battery options - |- | [https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport/Machines/Netbooks#Dell%20Mini%2010v%20(Inspiron%201011) Mini 10v 1011] [http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Dell/InspironMini10v ] || Intel 950 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|ide legacy mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{maybe|HDAudio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|RTL8102E 8103E}} || {{no|Dell 1397 Wireless}} || untested || 2008 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Inspiron Mini 1018 || <!--Chipset-->Intel Atom N455 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{partial|IDE mode }} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D, no VGA output)}} || <!--Audio-->{{partial|HD Audio head phones only - speaker and micro phone do not work}} || <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|RTL8188CE or AR928X}} || <!--Test Distro-->2011 Icaros 1.5.1, || <!--Comments-->2009 64bit - 1 DDR3 max 2gb - |- | Latitude 2100 || Intel Atom N270 N280 1.60Ghz GMA 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{Yes|set to IDE in bios as ahci not working || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D and 3D with tunnel 98 and gearbox 84)}} || {{yes|HD Audio with ALC272 codec}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{No|Broadcom BCM5764M}} || {{No|Intel 5100 or BCM4322 DW 1510 half height mini pcie use small Atheros 5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->2016 AspireOS 1.8, Icaros 2.1.1 and AROS One USB 2.4 || 2009 32bit ddr2 sodimm max 2G - [https://sites.google.com/site/arosaspireone/about-aspire-one Webcam and card reader not working] lcd cable over hinge an issue - f12 bios and boot - |- | <!--Name-->Latitude 2110 2120 || <!--Chipset-->N470 1.83Ghz, N455 1.6Ghz, N550 1.5Ghz || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Yes|ATA mode in bios not ahci}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 3150 2D only}} || <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with ALC269 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} || <!--Wireless-->{{No| swap for Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro-->2014 Icaros 2.3, || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - ddr2 sodimm |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====HP Compaq Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | HP Mini 2133 || VIA C7-M P4M900 / 8237 VX700 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{maybe|VIA Chrome 9 HC (VESA only)}} || {{no|VT1708/A HD Audio}} || USB || {{no|Broadcom Corp NetXtreme BCM5788}} || {{no|Broadcom Corp BCM4312}} || untested || 2008 32bit - |- | HP mini 1000 Mi 2140 ks145ut || N270 + 945GM || {{N/A}} || SATA || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D and opengl1 3d)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio (playback tested)}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{no|Broadcom Corp BCM4312 hard blocked}} || untested || 2009 32Bit - unable to change wifi card |- | <!--Name-->HP Mini 700 702 || <!--Chipset-->N270 + 945GSE || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio IDT 92HD75B (111d:7608, only playback tested)}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom hard locked}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - |- | Compaq HP Mini 110 110-3112sa || 945GM Express || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{yes|HD Audio IDT STAC 92xx}} || {{yes|USB 2.0}} || {{no|Atheros}} || {{no|Broadcom hard blocked Fn+F12}} || untested || 2009 32bit - unable to change wifi |- | HP Mini 200 210 || 945GM NM10 Express || {{N/A}} || SATA || Intel GMA 950 || {{Maybe|HDAudio with }} || USB || RTL8101E RTL8102E || {{no|Broadcom BCM4312 hard locked}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | HP Mini 311 DM1 (Quanta FP7) || N280 + ION LE || {{N/A}} || SATA || nVidia Geforce ION || {{maybe|HDAudio with }} || USB || eth || {{No|hard locked}} || untested || 2009 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |} ====Lenovo Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | IdeaPad S9 S9e(3G) S10 S10e(3G) || 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{maybe|ALC269 or SigmaTel HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Broadcom NetLink BCM5906M}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4312 hard blocked}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | IdeaPad S12 || Intel Atom N270 + Nvidia ION LE MCP79 || {{N/A}} || SATA || nVidia C79 ION [Quadro FX 470M] || {{maybe|ALC269 HD Audio}} || USB || {{no|Broadcom}} || {{no|Intel locked down}} || 2012 Icaros 2.0, || 2009 32bit - does not boot - cause unknown |- | S10-2 || 945GME and N280 CPU || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || {{maybe|ALC269 HD Audio}} || {{yes}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|Broadcom BCM4312 hard blocked}} || 2011 Icaros 1.3, || 2009 32bit - |- | S10-3 || NM410 and N450 CPU || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || {{maybe|HD Audio ALC269}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|Atheros 9285 or Broadcom BCM4312 hard blocked}} || 2011 Icaros 1.3, || 2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Samsung Netbooks==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | [http://www.amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=616910&topic_id=33755&forum=28#616910 NC10] || 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{partial|SigmaTel HD Audio (playback only)}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{maybe|rtl8169 works but not Marvell 88E8040 sky2}} || {{yes|AR5007EG}} || 2011 Icaros 1.4, || 2009 32bit - Nano silver on keyboard and lcd ribbon cable over hinge issues |- | [http://www.sammywiki.com/wiki/Samsung_NC20 NC20] || VIA VX800 || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{maybe|VIA Chrome9 (VESA only)}} || ALC272 GR (VT1708A) HD Audio || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{yes|Atheros AR5001}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | N110 N120 || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || SATA || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{yes|ALC272 HD Audio or ALC6628}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{no|Realtek rtl8187}} || untested || 2009 32bit - Namuga 1.3M Webcam none |- | N130 || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{yes|SATA in IDE mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 2D and opengl 1.x 99.5 tunnel 99 gearbox}} || {{yes|Intel HD with ALC272 ALC269 codec playback}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{yes|RTL 8169.device - 8101e 8102e}} || {{no|rtl 8192se rtl8187 too small an area to swap for atheros 5k}} || untested || 2009 32bit - 10.x inch 1024 x 600 - Namuga 1.3M Webcam - front slide power on and f2 setup bios - keyboard 17.7mm Pitch is made with Silver Nano (Anti-Bacterial) tech - small touchpad - 1 ddr2 2rx16 sodimm slot 2G max - 44Wh |- | <!--Name-->Go NP-N310 || <!--Chipset-->N270 + 945GME || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio ALC6628}} || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|Atheros5k}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2010 32bit - N280 version changed specs |- | N510 || N270 euro N280 uk + ION MCP79 || {{N/A}} || SATA || nVidia C79 ION [Quadro FX 470M] || HD Audio || USB || Marvell 88E8040 || Realtek 8192E || untested || 2010 32bit - does not boot - cause unknown |- | NP N145 Plus || n450 + NM10 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D, no VGA output)}} || {{yes|Realtek HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB2.0}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || {{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || untested || 2010 some support but often the trackpad does not work |- | <!--Name-->NC110 Axx || <!--Chipset-->NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->Sata || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC269 codec A9M22Q2 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Broadcom BCM4313 or Atheros}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - |- | NF210 Pineview || n455 or n550 + N10 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|SATA}} || {{maybe|Intel GMA 3150 (needs retesting, VESA works)}} || {{yes|HD Audio}} || {{yes|USB}} || {{no|Marvell 88E8040}} || Wireless || untested || 2011 64bit - some support |- | <!--Name-->NS310 NP-NS310-A03UK || <!--Chipset-->N570 with NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|use Vesa 2d }} || <!--Audio-->{{yes| ich7}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 realtek 810xe }} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|bcm4313 }} || <!--Test Distro-->2022 AROS One 2.3, || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit Atom N570 or 1.5 GHz Intel Atom N550 dual core processor, 1 DDR3 sodimm slot memory, a 250GB hard drive, and a 10.1 inch, 1024 x 600 pixel 10.1" W7St - 2300mAh short life - |- | <!--Name-->[https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Samsung_N150 N150] NB30 || <!--Chipset-->MN10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{No| }} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8040}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285 or Realtek 8192E}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2011 a little support |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.kruedewagen.de/wiki/index.php/Samsung_N220 N210 N220] N230 || <!--Chipset-->N450 + NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 3150 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC269 || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit no sse4.1 or avx - |- | <!--Name-->NC110 Pxx Cedarview || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{dunno|Intel GMA 3600}} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Intel 6000g}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- |} ====Toshiba Netbooks==== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->NB100 || <!--Chipset-->945GM || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|legacy}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC262 HD Audio}} || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|AR5001}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Mini NB200 series NB205 || <!--Chipset-->N280 + GSE945 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|IDE legacy mode}}|| <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->ALC272 HD Audio || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{maybe|AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Mini 300 series NB305 || <!--Chipset-->N455 with NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 3150 (2D) || <!--Audio-->ALC272 HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{maybe|AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Mini 500 series NB505 NB520 NB550-10v || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->legacy || <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA 3150 (2D) || <!--Audio-->HD Audio || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|RTL8101E RTL8102E}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|Realtek 8176 RTL 8188CE}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit - |- | [http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Toshiba-NB550D-AMD-Fusion-Netbook.46551.0.html Mini NB550D 10G] 108 (c30) 109 (c50) || C-50 + M1 || {{N/A}} || SATA || AMD 6250 (VESA only) || HD Audio || USB || {{maybe|rtl8169 Realtek 8111e}} || {{maybe|Atheros 9k}} || untested || 2011 64bit Realtek SD card reader |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Misc Netbooks==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="10%" |Wireless ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="30%" |Comments |- | Cammy's A1600 || GME945 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe}} || {{yes|Intel GMA950 (2D)}} || {{yes|HD Audio playback}} || {{yes}} || {{no|JMC 250/260}} || Wireless || 2010 Icaros 1.2.4, || 2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu Siemens Amilo Mini Ui 3520 || <!--Chipset-->Intel 945 || <!--ACPI--> || <!--SATA-->{{yes}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->ALC269 HD Audio || <!--USB-->{{yes}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{yes|AR5001}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - |- | Guillemot Hercules eCafe EC-900 H60G-IA], Mitac MiStation and Pioneer Computers Dreambook Light U11 IL1 || Intel 945GME || {{N/A}} || {{maybe}} || {{yes|Intel GMA950 (2D)}} || {{Yes|HD Audio (playback only)}} || {{yes|uhci and ehci}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|RAlink RT2860}} || untested || 2009 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->Hannspree Hannsnote SN10E2 24 48 || <!--Chipset-->N450 + NM10 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->IDE legacy mode || <!--Gfx-->Pineview Intel (2D) || <!--Audio-->ALC HD Audio || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->Atheros l1c || <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Opinion-->2009 32bit - |- | MSI Wind U90/U100 || GME945 || {{N/A}} || {{maybe}} || {{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || {{partial|HD Audio ALC888s (playback only?)}} || {{yes|uhci 1.1 and ehci 2.0}} || {{yes|rtl8169}} || {{no|RaLink RT2860 RT2700E or rtl8187se (u100x)}} || 2011 Icaros 1.3, || 2009 32bit - |- | Advent 4211 || 945GSE || {{N/A}} || {{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || Intel GMA950 (2D) || ALC HD Audio || USB || rtl8169 || {{no|Intel 3945 ABG}} || untested || 2009 32bit - MSI U100 clone |- | <!--Name-->Hannspree Hannsnote SN10E1 || <!--Chipset-->N270 + GMA945 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{maybe|IDE legacy mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA 950 (2D)}} || <!--Audio-->ALC HD Audio || <!--USB-->USB2.0 || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek RTL8101E RTL8102E RTL8169}} || <!--Wireless-->{{no|RaLink RT2860}} || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit MSI U100 clone |- | <!--Name--> Vaio VGN-P11Z | <!--Chipset--> | <!--IDE--> {{dunno}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{Partial|Intel (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Marvell}} | <!--Wireless--> {{unk|Atheros AR928X}} | <!--Test Distro-->2012 Icaros 2.0.3 | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit Rarely boots! |- | <!--Name-->Sony VPC-W11S1E | <!--Chipset-->N280 with 945GSE | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|Intel GMA950 - hdmi}} | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with realtek codec | <!--USB-->3 USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros AR8132}} | <!--Wireless-->{{unk|Atheros AR9285}} | <!--Test Distro-->untested | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - 10.1" 1366 x 768 glossy - 3hr battery life - |- | <!--Name-->Archos 10 Netbook || <!--Chipset-->Atom with ICH7 NM10 945GSE || <!--IDE-->{{No }} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 || <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC662 codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8139 || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro-->untested || <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - |- | <!--Name-->MSI Wind U135 DX MS-N014 || <!--Chipset-->Intel N455 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|2D only accelerated}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|ALC662 rev 1}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|RTL}} || <!--Wireless-->{{No|Atheros AR 9K}} || <!--Test Distro-->2015 Icaros 2.1, || <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - needs noacpi notls added to grub boot line to start up |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Wireless--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ===Desktop Systems=== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" | <!--OK-->{{Yes|'''Works well'''}} || <!--May work-->{{Maybe|'''Works a little'''}} || <!--Not working-->{{No|'''Does not work'''}} || <!--Not applicable-->{{N/A|'''N/A not applicable'''}} |- |} ====Acer==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.acer.com/ac/en/ID/content/support-product/486;-; Veriton X270 VTX270] Intel Core 2 Duo ED7400C or Pentium dual-core UD7600C with 630i | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d Nvidia 7100 VGA and HDMI connections}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| with realtek codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|4 rear and 5 front}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe| nForce}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 dvd | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit capable but would not fully boot, DHCP address timeout too short and failed often. Put in a third party NIC, worked - 1 PCI Express x16 slot and a free PCI x1 slot - internal thin long psu with 12pin - |- | <!--Name--> Imedia S1710 with Intel Dual Core E5200 | <!--IDE--> {{Yes|SATA/AHCI}} | <!--SATA--> {{Maybe|Native IDE}} | <!--Gfx--> {{Yes|Nvidia nForce 7100}} | <!--Audio--> {{Yes|Nvidia MCP73}} | <!--USB--> {{Yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{No|NVIDIA MCP73 Ethernet}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 14-09-2023, AROS One 2.3 | <!--Comments--> 2009 64-bit - Boot over USB not working on front - 2 DDR2 dual channel max 8GB - DEL for entering Bios - F12 for boot menu - Bus weird, could be reason for Ethernet issue |- | <!--Name-->Acer Revo AR1600, R1600 AR3600, R3600 Packard Bell iMax Mini, ACER Veriton N260G N270G slim nettop subcompact | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Native IDE mode, '''when it works''' boots}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Nvidia ION GeForce 9300M - nouveau 3d - '''when it boots''' 400 fps in shell'ed gearbox, 278 in tunnel, 42 in teapot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with alc662 codec but nothing from HDMI audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Nvidia USB boot usb2 stick issues and slower with usb3 drives}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|MCP79 nForce}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 Intel Atom 230 N280 - 20cm/8" high 1 ltr noisy fan - very often boot stuck around ehciInit - DEL setup F12 boot options - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4GB - 19v special barrel size 5.5mm/1.7mm psu - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4GB - atheros 5k AR5BXB63 wifi - |- | <!--Name-->Revo AR3610 R3610 3610 Atom 330 nettop subcompact dual core | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Native IDE mode, '''when it works''' boots}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Nvidia ION GeForce 9400M LE MCP79MX - nouveau 3d - '''when it boots''' 400 fps in shell'ed gearbox, 278 in tunnel, 42 in teapot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with Realtek alc662 rev1 alc662-hd later ALC885 codec but nothing from HDMI audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Nvidia USB with 1% chance boot with usb2 sticks, more issues with usb3 drives}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|RTL 8211CL MCP79 nForce}} | <!--Test Distro-->{{no|AROS One 32bit 1.5, 1.6 and 2.4 usb and 64bit 1.2 USB}} | <!--Comments-->2010 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 20cm/8" high 1 ltr noisy fan - boot often stuck at Kernel or around ehciInit, SATA, etc try ATA=off, non usb hub keyboard, - DEL bios setup, F12 BBS POPUP/drive boot - 2 ddr2 sodimm slots max 4GB - 19v barrel psu with smaller inner pin size 5.5mm/1.7mm - replace wifi RT3090 ver c (linux) with atheros 5k - |- | <!--Name-->Revo N281G | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA 2d for GMA 3100}} | <!--Audio-->HD audio codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX and SSE 4.1 Atom D425 - 19v 65w barrel psu thinner inner pin - 2 DDR3L single channel max 4GB - replace wifi RT3090 ver d with atheros 5k mini pci-e - 1lr or 1.5 ltr dvdrw case 209.89 mm, (D) 209.89 mm, (H) 35.35 mm - del enter bios - |- | <!--Name-->REVO AR3700 R3700 3700 Atom D525 dual core - ACER Veriton N282G *one long beep followed by two short, bios damaged *looping one long two short, a video card fault *two short beeps... CMOS damaged *got one long and one short beep... board error? | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE ready in Bios}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia ION2 GT218 ION vga fine '''but''' hdmi fussy over display used - nouveau 2d & 3d gearbox 404 tunnel 292 teapot 48}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDA Intel with Realtek ALC662 rev1 codec, head phones only but nothing from NVidia HDMI}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|Intel® NM10 Express (NM10 is basically an ICH7 with a die shrink and IDE removed) USB boots usb, installs usb, accesses ok}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169 8111g}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS one 32bit USB 1.5 and 1.6 and ArosOne 64bit usb 1.2 | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 20cm/8" high 1 ltr noisy fan - early 2 ddr2 sodimm slots but later 2 ddr3 sodimm slots 1Rx8 max 4GB - 19v barrel psu thinner pin - replace wifi RT3090 ver d with atheros 5k mini pci-e - ACPI Suspend Mode = S1, S3 (STR), S4 - Power on PCIe * Known Acer issue, Boot into bios, set bios to UEFI and reboot, set bios back to defaults and reboot, blank display, repair with reflash of 8 pin Winbond W25Q socketed bios chip with ch341a using 2011/09/19 P01.B0L, 2011/05/09 P01.A4, 2011/05/03 P01.A3L, 2010/12/27 P01.A2L, 2010/12/27 P01.A2 amiboot.rom - |- | <!--Name-->Revo 70 (RL70) with or without dvdrw | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->6320 or 6310 | <!--Audio-->HD audio ALC662-VCO-GR codec | <!--USB-->USB2, 1.1 Hudson D1 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD E450 1.65GHz - 19v 65w barrel psu thinner inner pin - 2 DDR3L single channel max 4GB - replace wifi RT3090 ver d with atheros 5k mini pci-e - 1lr or 1.5 ltr dvdrw case 209.89 mm, (D) 209.89 mm, (H) 35.35 mm - del enter bios - |- |} ====Asus==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->EEEbox B202 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Intel GMA950 | <!--Audio-->Intel Azalia HDaudio with Realtek ALC662 or ALC888-GR CODEC | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111 or JM250 | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros | <!--Comments-->internal 3 types of wifi chipset not supported |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Dell==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name--> Precision 340 | <!--IDE--> {{yes}} | <!--SATA--> {{n/a}} | <!--Gfx--> {{n/a}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|Intel AC97}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 1.1 (UHCI)}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|3Com}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Dimension 2400 | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel 82845GL Brookdale G/GE (VESA 640x480 by 16)}} | <!--Audio-->{{Unk|AC97 with ADI codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|UHCI EHCI}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Broadcom 440x 4401}} | <!--Test Distro-->[http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?p=832495 Icaros 1.4] | <!--Comments-->Graphics chipset is capable of higher resolution. |- | <!--Name-->Dimension 4600 | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{dunno}} | <!--Gfx-->{{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|Intel AC97 (use rear black port)}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|UHCI/EHCI}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Intel PRO/100}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 1.5.2 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 170L | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|Intel AC97}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|Intel PRO/100}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex GX260 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|Intel AC97}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Intel PRO/1000}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | Optiplex GX270 | {{yes|Working}} | {{partial|IDE mode}} | {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | {{yes|Intel AC97}} | {{yes|USB 2.0}} | {{no|Intel PRO/1000}} | Icaros 1.5.2 | <!--Comments--> |- | Optiplex GX280 | {{yes|Working}} | {{partial|IDE mode}} | {{maybe|Intel GMA (only VESA tested)}} | {{yes|Intel AC97}} | {{yes|USB 2.0}} | {{no|Broadcom}} | Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex GX520 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{yes|Intel GMA}} | <!--Audio--> {{partial|Intel AC97 (no line-out)}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 745 | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel GMA (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{partial|HD Audio (no volume control)}} | <!--USB--> {{partial|Only keyboard mouse (legacy mode)}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 755 | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel GMA (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Intel Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.5.1 | <!--Comments--> Around 25 second delay in booting from USB |- | <!--Name--> Optiplex 990 | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{partial|non-RAID mode}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel HD (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{no|Intel Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro--> Nightly Build 2014 09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 360 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|ordinary boot gives VGA mode only - VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|HD Audio (Analog Devices ID 194a)}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aspire Xenon | <!--Comments-->poor support |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse Vx0 (V90 V30), Vx0L (V10L V90L), Vx0LE (V30LE V90LE) from VIA C7 800GHz to Eden 1.2GHz | <!--IDE-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for S3 UniChrome Pro}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 VIA VT8233A with ?? codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 back and 1 front USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|early models work but later VT6102-3 do not}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.2 | <!--Comments-->2006 to 2009 32bit - 12V 4A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm - 1 sodimm DDR 333MHz SO-DIMM later DDR2 - early V90s do seem to have a reliability problem - |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.poppedinmyhead.com/2021/01/wyse-cx0-thin-client-notes-experiences.html Dell Wyse Cx0] C00LE, C10LE, C30LE, C50LE, C90LE, C90LE7, C90LEW VIA C7 Eden 1GHz | <!--IDE-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d VX855 VX875 Chrome 9}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|some VIA VT8237A VT8251 HDA with ?? codec work}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 outside 2 inside USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|VT6120 VT6121 VT6122 Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2010 to 2013 32bit - [https://ae.amigalife.org/index.php?topic=815.0 boots and works] - 12V 2.5A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm - 1 sodimm ddr2 - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Dell RxxL Rx0L thin client *R00L Cloud PC of Wyse WSM *R10L Wyse Thin OS *R50L Suse Linux Enterprise *R90L Win XP Embedded *R90LW Win Embedded Standard 2009 *R90L7 Win Embedded Standard 7 | <!--IDE-->128Mb IDE or 1GB | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|SATA Hyperdisk}} | <!--Gfx-->AMD 690E RS690M Radeon Xpress 1200 1250 1270 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 usb2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit AMD Sempron™ 210U SMG210UOAX3DVE 1.5GHz SB600, up to 4GB single slot 240-pin DDR2 DIMM, 19v barrel psu, DEL key bios - Late 2012 2 data sockets added but only CN18 be used with two white sockets (CN13 & CN15) can used to power the SATA device "4-pin Micro JST 1.25mm |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 390 sff small form factor - mt mini tower desktop - dt full desktop | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|1 pci-e}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|realtek}} | <!--Test Distro-->aros one 1.6 usb | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit dual i3 2xxx - kettle iec plug psu cable - add nvidia gf218 gfx - error code 3 mobo or cpu - |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 3010 sff small form factor | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|1 pci-e}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom 57XX}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit dual i3 3xxx - kettle iec plug psu cable - |- | <!--Name-->Optiplex 7010 sff small form factor | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|1 pci-e}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom or Intel 825xx}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit dual i3 3xxx Q77 - kettle iec plug psu cable - add pci-e ethernet and nvidia gf218 gfx - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 5010 thin client ThinOS D class (D10D D00D D00DX, Dx0D), PCoIP (D10DP) or D90D7, 5040 *username: Administrator, admin, [blank] *password: Fireport, DellCCCvdi, rappot, Wyse#123, Administrator, administrator, r@p8p0r+ | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE mode may need 30cm ext cable as small area for half-slim sata ssd - decased new ssd??}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d 1400x1050 HD6250E IGP by using DVI to hdmi cable and 1 display port, no hdmi port}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD 6.34 audio chipset detected but codec alc269 working from one case speaker - none if v6.29 used}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|most 5010 have 4 USB 2.0 but D90Q7 has 2 USB3 instead}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8168 8169 - rev 1.?? 8111? - rev 1.91 8111E}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit no SSE4.1 or AVX slow AMD G-T44R 1.2Ghz later G-T48E 1.4Ghz Dual Bobcat Brazos BGA413 - Del for BIOS - p key to select boot with noacpi - single DDR3 sodimm slot max 4Gb, (8Gb hynix 2rx8 ddr3l)? (remove small board to upgrade) - passive no fan - 15cm/6" small 1ltr case and lack of expansion options - PA16 19v barrel psu Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 7010 DTS thin client (Z class Zx0D) *2011 Zx0 Z90D7 2GF/2GR *2013 Z10D *2014 Z50D 2GF/2GR *2012 Cisco VXC 6000 CVXC-6215-K9 white | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|Bios set Sata mode to IDE mode and grub boot add 'noacpi' for half slim sata2 ssd or/with 50cm sata ext cable}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2d HD6310 HD6320 Terascale 2 through DVI and sometimes DP 1.1a - no 3d support r600 and no hdmi port}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio 6.34 detected but ALC269VB codec works on the one case speaker only}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|2.0 works but NEC 720200 3.0 not working}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111e 8111F}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 and Aros One 32bit 1.5, 1.9 and 2.3 usb and 64bit 1.2 | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 slow cores AMD G-t52R 1.5GHz later G-T56N 1.65 GHz Dual with A50M FCH - 20cm/8" high 1.5ltr larger fanless black plastic case with metal ventilated box inside - 2 desktop DIMM slots max 16GB - miniPCIe CN14 - PA-16 19v external psu Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm - 2 40cm SMA female WiFi Antenna to IPEX IPX u.fl Ufl Cable pigtail needed - does not like uefi boot devices - |- | <!--Name-->Wyse 7020 Thin Client * 2013 Quad-core AMD GX-420CA 2.0 GHz (25W) - * 2018 Zx0Q Quad-core AMD GX-415GA 1.5 GHz (15W) with Quad display 3dp and 1dvi | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 sata port | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d only for AMD Radeon HD8400E radeonsi (dual display) or AMD Radeon HD 8330E IGP with AMD Radeon E6240 Seymour E6460 (quad display), no hdmi ports}} | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 x USB2.0 works but 2 USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 quad eKabini Jaguar cores - two SODIMM sockets layered in centre of mobo DDR3L RAM - Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm ac psu 9mm plug is too short but 14mm length is fine - 15cm/6" high smaller 1ltr case and lack of expansion options - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse Dx0Q (5020) D90Q8 NJXG4 AMD G-Series | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 sata port | <!--Gfx-->HD 8330E | <!--Audio--> with Realtek codec | <!--USB-->4 x USB2.0 works but 2 USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 Quad-core AMD GX-415GA 1.5 GHz - 2 layered near edge of mobo 204-pin DDR3L SODIMM (bottom one tricky to insert) - 19v Coax 5.5mm/2.5mm - passive no fan - 15cm/6" high smaller 1ltr case and lack of expansion options |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 5060 N07D thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE bios mode for sata2 port}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2d - AMD R5E GCN2 IGP Sea Islands thru dp1 with an hdmi adapter no output thru dp2 - no hdmi dvi ports}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HD Audio with Realtek ALC231 codec head phones only}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|4 x USB2.0 works but 2 USB3.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 realtek 8169 8111h}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 1.6 usb | <!--Comments-->2017 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 quad GX-424CC 19.5v external psu - CN-0Y62H1 mobo with 2 layered ddr3l 16Gb max sodimm slots at edge of mobo, bottom 0 one blocking - passive no fan so quiet - 15cm/6" high smaller 1ltr case and lack of expansion options - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Fujitsu Siemens==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="15%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | Scenic [http://uk.ts.fujitsu.com/rl/servicesupport/techsupport/ProfessionalPC/Scenic/ScenicE/ScenicE.htm E600] (compact desktop) | | | {{partial|VESA only}} | {{yes|AC97}} | | {{no|Intel PRO/1000}} | {{dunno}} | Nice small, silent PC with good AROS support. |- | Scenic T i845 | {{dunno}} | {{n/a}} | {{n/a}} | {{dunno|Intel AC97}} | {{dunno|UHCI}} | {{dunno|Intel PRO/100}} | Icaros 1.5.2 | AROS does not boot |- | <!--Name-->Futro S200 S210 S220 and later S300 | <!--IDE-->{{yes| compactflash CF card max ??}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 315PRO PCI/AGP }} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 via }} | <!--USB-->{{unk|via uhci and ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|via VT6102 [Rhine-II] (rev 74) }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - TR5670 Rev 1.4 mother with Transmeta TM5800 cpu - pci socket - single SODIMM socket for DDR memory PC2700S max 512MB - |- | <!--Name-->Futro S400 | <!--IDE-->{{yes| but swap with compactflash CF card already with AROS installed}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS741CX }} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 SiS7018}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|sis uhci and ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|rtl8169 }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - AMD Geode NX1500 1GHz gets hot - SiS 963L / SiS 741CX chipset - 12V 4.2A 4-pin (DP-003-R) psu - single SODIMM socket for DDR PC2700S max 1G - large case 246 x 48 x 177cms torx screws - pci socket - |- | <!--Name-->FUJITSU Futro S700 and S900 Thin Client (based on mini-ITX motherboard D3003-A12, D3003-C1 lesser variant of [https://www.parkytowers.me.uk/thin/Futro/s900/TechNotes_V3.1_Mini-ITX_D3003-S.pdf D3003-S]) *G-T56N 1.65GHz *G-T40N 1.00GHz *G-T44R 1.20GHz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 sata data socket but mSata 18+8pins 1GB-16GB | <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 6320, HD 6250, HD 6290 dvi or displayport (DP runs higher) | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->{{yes|two USB2 front sockets and four on the rear}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit AMD slow atom-like and fanless - 20V 2A psu 5.5mm/2.1mm coax (S900) - 2 DDR3L SODIMM sockets max 8GB tricky to run 1333 MHz on the Futro S900 - proprietary X2 PCI-e - 1 PCI socket but need a right-angle adaptor - |- | <!--Name-->esprimo p420 e85 desktop case | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->Intel 4600 or old Geforce in pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio realtek alc671 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - 16 pin special psu - |- | <!--Name-->esprimo E420 e85+ SFF case | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->Intel 4600 or low profile pci-e card | <!--Audio-->HDAudio realtek alc671 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - 16ish pin special psu - hd under front metal bracket, take front cover off first with 3 tabs - 3 slim pci-e slots - |- | <!--Name-->Futro S520 AMD dual 1.0Ghz codenamed "Steppe Eagle" * GX-210HA @ 1.0GHz * GX-212ZC @ 1.2GHz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->no sata - 4Gb or 16Gb flash memory soldered to the board | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon HD 8210E (GX210HA) or AMD Radeon R1E (GX212ZC) | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111e | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - smaller than ITX 160mm x 160mm Fujitsu D3314-A11 - 19V 3.4A PSU standard 5.5mm/2.1mm coax plug - 1 ddr3 sodimm slot - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu Futro S720 ThinClient D3313-B13 D3313-F *2014 64bit AMD GX-217GA 1.65GHz VFY:S0720P8009FR VFY:S0720P8008DE VFY:S0720P4009GB *2015 64bit AMD GX-222GC 2.20GHz VFY:S0720P702BDE VFY:S0720P702BFR all begin VFY:S0720P and end two digit country code | <!--IDE--> {{N/A|}} | <!--SATA--> {{Yes|up to 2 Sata-cable-connector with space in casing so normal SSD/HDD over Sata was running very well on AHCI and IDE-Mode and 2242 mSata}} | <!--Gfx--> {{Maybe|use VESA 2D for AMD Radeon HD 8280E IGP ( islands) or later R5E IGP ( islands)}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|HDAudio ALC671 codec partially working, external audio speaker}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|4 rear USB 2.0 but not front 2 USB 3.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8169}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB 2.0 | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit supports AVX and SSE 4.1 - 1 ddr3 Sodimm slot max 8Gb - 19V-20V 2A 5.5mm/2.5mm coax - D3313-B13 stripped down Mini-ITX mobo D3313-S1/-S2/-S3 (eKabini) D3313-S4/-S5/-S6 - SATA data socket can be located under the fins of the cpu heatsink is fanless - mPCIe socket for wireless card - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu FUTRO S920 D3313-E D3313-G *2016 AMD GX-222GC SOC 2.20GHz Dual *2017 AMD G-Series GX-415GA (1.50 GHz, Quad Core, 2 MB, AMD Radeon™ HD 8330E) *2017 AMD G-Series GX-424CC 2.40 GHz Quad | <!--IDE--> {{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> {{yes|2242 mSata and 1 Sata-cable-connector with space in casing so normal SSD/HDD over Sata possible}} | <!--Gfx--> {{yes|use VESA 2D for Radeon R5E GCN2/3 IGP}} | <!--Audio--> {{yes|HDAudio ALC671 codec partially working}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|4 rear USB 2.0, front 2 USB 3.1 downgradable to 2.0 in BIOS setting}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8169}} | <!--Test Distro--> AROS One USB 2.4 | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 2 so dimm slot with max of 8 GB - 19v barrel psu 5.5mm 2.5mm - SATA data socket can be located under the fins of the heatsink - mPCIe a e keyed socket for wireless card - propetary X2 connector with official raizer to X1 connector - almost silent background noise, not affecting sound quality in any way |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu Thin Client Futro S5011 S7011 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for AMD Vega 3 on 2 dp 1.4}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ALC623 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 USB 3.2 Gen 2 front and 3 usb2 rear }} | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - AMD Ryzen Dual Core R1305G or R1505G 1ltr case - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - TPM 2.0 - 19v 3.42amp round coax or usb-c 20c 3.25a external psu - |- | <!--Name-->Fujitsu FUTRO S9011 Thin Client VFY:S9011THU1EIN || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVMe || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for AMD Vega 3 on 2 dp 1.4}} || <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ALC623 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 USB 3.2 Gen 2 front and 3 usb2 rear }} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2020 64bit Ryzen Embedded R1606G - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - TPM 2.0 - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ====HP Compaq==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Compaq presario 7360 | <!--IDE-->{{yes|Working}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|AC97 via}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|issues}} | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Compaq EP Series 6400/10 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{N/A}} | <!--Audio--> {{no|ISA}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB 1.1}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{N/A}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Compaq Evo D510 | {{yes|Working}} | {{N/A}} | {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | {{yes|AC97}} | {{yes|Working}} | {{yes|Intel PRO/100}} | Icaros 1.5 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Compaq DX2000 MT | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Intel Extreme 2 (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|detects AC97 but no support for ADI AD1888 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|OHCI/EHCI }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82526EZ e1000}} | <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.51 | <!--Comments-->boots ok but no audio |- | <!--Name-->Compaq DX 2200 | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200] (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{dunno|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|OHCI/EHCI issues }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} | <!--Test Distro--> {{dunno}} | <!--Comments-->issues |- | <!--Name--> d230 | <!--IDE--> {{yes|UDMA}} | <!--SATA--> {{N/A}} | <!--Gfx--> {{partial|Intel Extreme (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio--> {{partial|Intel AC97 (speaker and headphones only, no line-out)}} | <!--USB--> {{yes|USB}} | <!--Ethernet--> {{Maybe|Broadcom BCM4401}} | <!--Test Distro--> Icaros 1.4.5 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->HP Pavilion a220n || <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} || <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|VESA 1024x768 on nVidia GF4 MX with 64MB shared video ram}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ALC650 AC'97 comp.}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2.0}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8201BL 10/100 LAN}} || <!--Test Distro-->AROS One 2.5|| <!--Comments-->2004 32bit athlon xp 2600+ Socket 462 / Socket A - 2 dimm ddr pc2700 - |- | <!--Name-->t500 | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|FX5200 (2D; 3D with older driver)}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97 ICH4 ALC658D}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|UHCI/EHCI}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8101L 8139}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2012-09-22 | <!--Comments-->2004 |- | <!--Name-->DC7700 | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 2D}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes| ICH8}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|82566DM e1000e}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2013-??-?? | <!--Comments-->2006 Some support at low cost |- | <!--Name-->HP dc 7600 CMT | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 950}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ACL 260}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO/1000 GT}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->HP t5000 thin client series t5500 t5510 t5515 PC538A or PC542A t5700 t5710 Transmeta Crusoe Code Morphing TM 5400 5600 800Mhz | <!--IDE-->128mb to 512MB | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->Ati Radeon 7000M | <!--Audio-->VIA with codec | <!--USB-->{{No|Issues}} | <!--Ethernet-->VIA Rhine 2 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2006 32bit - ddr max 1GB - F10 setup - all t51xx and some t55xx units will not include a SODIMM slot - |- | <!--Name-->HP t5000 thin client series CN700 *HSTNC-002L-TC t5135, t5530 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d 128Mb Via S3 32-bit colour | <!--Audio-->AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102 VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 78) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit t5135 appears identical to the t5530 except the CPU VIA Esther 400 MHz - RAM 64Mb (? max) - 8 x USB2.0 - 12V 3.33A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm |- | <!--Name-->HP t5720, t5725 HSTNC-001L-TC | <!--IDE-->{{unk| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VESA 2d SiS741GX 2048 x 1536 32-bit colour | <!--Audio-->AC97 SiS SiS7012 AC'97 | <!--USB-->6 x USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102 VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 8d) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit AMD Geode NX1500 1GHz socketed - RAM 512MB or 1GB, 256MB, 512MB or 1GB - 12V psu - sis DDMA support - custom 1.13 BIOS - pci low profile - |- | <!--Name-->t5000 series VX800 HSTNC-004-TC t5145, t5540, t5545, t5630 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d VIA Chrome9 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio VIA | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|VT6120 VT6121 VT6122 Gigabit (rev 82)}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit - RAM 64Mb (? max) - 8 x USB2.0 - 12V 4.16A Coax: 5.5mm/2.1mm - |- | <!--Name-->t5730w HSTNC-003-TC t5730 | <!--IDE-->{{n/a|ATA 44pin DOM Flash}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d ATI Radeon X1250 2048 x 1536 no 3D | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{Yes|6 x USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 5707M tg3 10/100/1000}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 64bit AMD Sempron 2100+ 1GHz - 1 slot of ddr2 sodimm (Max 2GB) - 12V 4.16A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm - F10 enter bios F12 boot devices - |- | <!--Name-->HSTNC-005-TC gt7720, gt7725 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d AMD RS780G HD 3200 - 2560 x 1600 DVI-D & DVI-H | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->8 x USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5787M}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit AMD Turion Dual Core CPU 2.3GHz - 1 DDR2 200-pin SODIMM - 19V 4.16A Coax 7.4mm/5.0mm (gt7725) - |- | <!--Name-->HP t5740 Thin Client HSTNC-006-TC t5740, t5745, st5742 | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->1 port | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Intel CL40 VGA and DisplayPort connectors}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with IDT codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM57780 Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly build and Icaros | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit Atom N280 - F10 on power up to get into the BIOS screens. F12 brings up the boot options - hp 19V one with a coax connector, outer diameter 4.8mm with inner to be 1.7mm to 1.4mm - 2 ddr3 sodimm slots max 3gb due to 32bit - 1 pci-e slot completely non standard - |- | <!--Name-->t5000 series HSTNC-012-TC VIA Nano u3500 VX900 *t5550 512MB/1GB Windows CE6 R3 *t5565 1GB/1GB HP ThinPro *t5570 2GB/1GB WES 2009 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vesa 2d VIA ChromotionHD 2.0 GPU Chrome9 | <!--Audio-->VIA 9170 VT1708S codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM57780 Gigabit}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->32bit - 1 sodimm - 19V 3.42A supply connector standard yellow-tip coax plug 4.8mm/1.8mm "Standard HP Compaq DC Power Plug 4.8mm x 1.5mm / 1.7mm Yellow Tip Connector - |- | <!--Name-->HP t510 Via Eden X2 U4200 HSTNC-012-TC shares features with t5570e, t5565z | <!--IDE-->2G ATA Flash DOM | <!--SATA-->one | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d for Chrome9 VIA ChromotionHD 2.0 gfx}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|VIA VT8237A VT8251 HDA with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|6 USB2 }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom Corporation NetLink BCM57780 Gigabit Ethernet PCIe}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit - one slot ddr3 sodimm max 4GB - 19V 3.42A Coax 4.8mm/1.8mm - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->HP T610 Thin Client and thicker PLUS version AMD G-T56N A55E | <!--IDE-->{{Maybe|}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 6320 1 dp port 1 dvi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->two USB2 on the front, two USB2 and two USB 3 ports on the rear | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM57780}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 64bit does not support AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 204-pin DDR3 1600MHz SODIMMs PC3-12800 under motherboard via removable panel - 19.5V 3A Coax male 7.4mm/5.0mm + centre pin - |- | <!--Name-->HP T420 Thin Client *AMD Embedded G-Series GX-209JA SOC (1 GHz, 2 cores) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 8180 dvi vga | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->2 front 2 rear USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2015 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - soldered in place 2GB DDR3 - smaller than usual 19.5V 2.31A Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm + centre pin - usb stick internal for storage - E15 BBR - |- | <!--Name-->HP t520 TPC-W016 *AMD GX-212JC 1.2Ghz (2 core) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 m.2 mounting holes for 2242 and 2260 SSDs SATA (not NVME) | <!--Gfx-->Radeon R2E GCN2 IGP Sea Islands | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->2 USB3 front, 4 USB2 back | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 2017 64 bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 1 204-pin DDR3 SODIMM - 19.5V 3.33A 7.4mm Coax with central pin |- | <!--Name-->HP t620 TPC-I004-TC *AMD G-Series GX-217GA 2 core APU 1.65GHz (65W) *AMD GX-415GA (65W) and t620 PLUS (PRO wider version) TPC-I020-TC *AMD GX-420CA SOC (Plus 85W) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|single M.2 2280 socket sata3, mSATA socket removed end of 2014}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2d for Radeon HD 8280E graphics 8330E Islands GCN2 IGP - 2 dp ports no dvi}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio with Realtek ALC221 codec 0x10EC 0x0221}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|4 front, 2 back, 1 inside limited space}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 32bit | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 DDR3L SODIMMs side by side - mSATA ssd and M.2 SSD are M1.6 screws, M2.0 screws used on most SSDs - 19.5V 3.33A Coax male 7.4mm 5mm with centre pin - changed the network card to a Atheros 5000 compatible - |- | <!--Name-->HP T530 *AMD GX-215JJ (2 core) 1.5GHz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 m.2 sata ssd up to 2280 | <!--Gfx-->Radeon R2E | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec | <!--USB-->1 USB3.1, 1 usb-c front, 4 USB2 back | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2015 64 bit does support AVX SSE 4.1 - 1 204-pin DDR4 SODIMM - 19.5V 2.31A Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm with centre pin - |- | <!--Name-->HP T730 Wider "Thin" Client TPC-I018-TC Pixar RX-427BB (2c4t) - no display and fans blowing full speed caused by '''disabling internal gpu in bios''' flash L43_0116.bin onto smc MX25L6473F (3.3V 8-PIN SOP (200mil) SPI 25xx) ([https://www.badcaps.net/forum/troubleshooting-hardware-devices-and-electronics-theory/troubleshooting-desktop-motherboards-graphics-cards-and-pc-peripherals/bios-schematic-requests/96303-hp-t730-password-locked-bios in the rom rcvry socket under a delicate thin narrow surface flap]) with ch341a alike switchable from 5v, 3.3v to 1.8v | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{partial|Storage bios option to IDE and not AHCI to prevent constant install error messages to DH0: - add noacpi to end of grub boot line - 1 M.2 SATA slot (Key B+M) up to 2280 with T8 torx secure stub}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use VESA for non-vulkan Radeon R7 GCN 2 UVD4.2 Sea Islands with 4 dp outs '''but too easy bricking''' if swapping with 1 PCIe 3.0 x8 slot 30W slim factor low profile 8400gs gt210 nvs295 nvs310 gt1030}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDaudio 6.34 realtek alc221 codec thru case speaker only}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|'''Works''' for 4 USB2 in the back with 2 in the front, 2 USB3.0 ports on front and 1 more internal (not bootable)}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111HSH-CG set up first in Prefs/Network}} | <!--Test Distro-->boots with AROS One 32bit and 64bit USB with added noacpi added to grub boot line - press e - Latest distros can select grub boot options with Aros One 64bit USB and Aros One USB 2.8 but system seems to freeze after choice | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 DDR3L sodimm stacked slots max 32GB - '''Larger''' 20cm/8" high 3.5ltr case noisy fan - TPM2 - esc/F9 boot selector F10 enter bios - 2 serial and 1 parallel old ports - Key E Wireless - PCIe slot (x16 physical, x8 electrical) - 19.5V 4.36A 85w TPC-LA561 HP 7.4mm black-ring-tip power plug, red flashing power button, wrong psu or bad MotherBoard MB - |- | <!--Name-->HP t630 Thin Client TPC-I020-TC *AMD Embedded G-Series SoC GX-420GI quad core 2Ghz | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|ahci.device mbr msdos partiton table for 2 Sata M.2, sata0 up to 2280 (1tb max), sata1 2242 (64gb max), both T8 torx secure stubs}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|use VESA for Radeon AMD Wani R7E with 2 displayport 1.2 sockets, use one nearest to power jack - no dvi / hdmi}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio 6.36 0x1022, 0x157a and ALC255 aka ALC3234 codec 0x10ec, 0x0255, pins 0x17 as LFE and 0x1b as int speaker but not ahi 6.34}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2 2 front and 2 rear, 2 front USB3 and 1 inside}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169 8111H}} | <!--Test Distro-->AROS One USB 2.2, 2.8 and 64bit USB 1.0, 1.2 with noacpi added to the end of the grub bootline (press e) | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit supports AVX SSE 4.1 - 2 DDR4 SODIMMs side by side speed 1866Mhz limit - 19.5V 3.33A 65W TPC-BA54 Coax male 7.4mm with centre pin - can be easily bricked, might reflash bios with M40 SP149736 - 20cm/8" high 1.5ltr larger fanless case - esc f1 f9 f10 - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq Elite 7200 7300 8200 8300 SFF with kettle IEC psu cable | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE ata legacy only in BIOS}} | <!--Gfx-->i pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|8200 works}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel or Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2013 64bit dual core - add pci-e rtl8169 ethernet card and pci-e gf210 nvidia low height - |- | <!--Name-->HP Compaq Pro 6305 Small Form Factor SFF AMD A75 chipset (FCH 6 SATA 6 Gb/s, 4 USB 3.0) *AMD Quad A10-5800B *AMD A8-5500B *AMD Dual A6-5400B *AMD A4-5300B | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 7000 Terascale iGPU series Radeon HD 7660D, Radeon HD 7560D, Radeon HD 7540D, Radeon HD 7480D | <!--Audio-->HD ALC221 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom 5761}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Elitedesk 705 G1 - SFF *AMD A10-8850B, Quad-Core A10 PRO-7850B, A10-8750B *AMD A10-7800B, A10 PRO-6800B, A8-7600B *AMD A8-8650B, A6-8550B *AMD A6-8350B, Dual A6 PRO 7400B, A4-7300B | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA 2D with Radeon R7 or 8000}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD audio with Realtek ALC221 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom or Intel}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit - T15 security torx psu with 6pin PWR 200W connector - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteDesk 705 G2, 705 G3 Mini PC USFF thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2.5in and m.2 | <!--Gfx-->Radeon R7 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom BCM5762 GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit AM4 socket with 35W TDP A10-8770E (4c), AMD PRO A6-8570E (2c), AMD Pro A6-9500E, or AMD PRO A10-9700E on AMD B300 FCH - ddr4 sodimm slots - 77 x 175 x 34mm (6.97 x 6.89 x 1.34in) 1L and about 3lbs - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteDesk 705 G4 Mini 1ltr USFF AMD Ryzen 3 2200G (4c t) or 5 2400G (4c t) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Nvme 2280 and 2.5in sata}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 thru DP1.2 port | <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio Conexant codec}} | <!--USB-->USB2 usb3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit Am4 socket - 2 sodimm 16GB max - 19.5v hp socket ext psu - |- | <!--Name-->Elitedesk 705 G4 35w, Elitedesk 705 G4 65w, HP Prodesk 405 G4 35W USFF | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|Nvme 2280 and older models 2.5in sata}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3, 8 or 11 with 2 dp1.2 ports | <!--Audio-->{{no|HD audio with Conexant CX20632 codec}} | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111EPH 1Gbe or Realtek RTL8111F | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2017 64bit - realtek wifi 8821 or 8822 - up to 1 ddr4 dimm slots - hp barrel 12v up to 180w ac - baseboard 83e9 35W - AMD Athlon PRO 200GE (2c 4t), 2200GE (4c t) or 2400GE (4c t) on AMD B350 FCH - |- | <!--Name-->Elitedesk 705 G5, HP Elitedesk 806 G6, Prodesk 405 G6 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->2x NVMe or 1x SATA + 1x NVMe, but not all three drives at the same time without serious modding of hd caddie || <!--Gfx-->Vega with DP1.4 port || <!--Audio-->{{no|HDAudio with Realtek ALC3205 codec}} || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - 3400GE Ryzen 5 PRO 3350GE (4c 8t), Ryzen 3 PRO 3200GE 3150GE (4c 4t), AMD Athlon Silver PRO 3125GE (2c 4t) on AMD PRO 565 |- | <!--Name-->HP t540 1ddr4 slot, t640 2 DDR4 SDRAM sodimm SO-DIMM 260-pin non-ECC max 32gb thin client USFF | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 NVM Express (NVMe) 2230 or 2280 | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 VGA, DisplayPort | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->2 USB3 gen1 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek Realtek RTL8111HSH or RTL8111E PH-CG | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit ryzen r1000 series Ryzen Embedded R1305G 1.5 GHz, R1505G dual (2c 4t) 2.0Ghz or R1606G ?.?Ghz (2c4t) - Realtek RTL8852AE wifi - 45W psu Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm + centre pin - |- | <!--Name-->HP t740 SFF Thin Client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 M.2, one is sata and other nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 DisplayPort or + optional pci-e 30W Radeon E9173 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E PH-CG 1Gbe | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - Ryzen Embedded V1756B 3.25Ghz quad - 90W 19.5V 4.62A psu Coax male 4.5mm/3.0mm + centre pin - sodimm DDR4 max 64Gb - slightly noisy fan - |- | <!--Name-->HP EliteDesk 805 G6 Mini 4750GE (8t 16t), Prodesk 405 G6 Ryzen 5 PRO 4650GE (6c 12t) or Ryzen 3 PRO 4350GE (4c 8t) on AMD PRO 565 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2.5in carrier and 2 slots m.2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 with DP1.4 and HDMI flex io2 output options | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC3205 codec | <!--USB-->4 usb a - gen 2 10gig and gen 1 5gig ports | <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit AMD Ryzen 4000 SBC unlocked - 2 sodimm ddr4 slots - wifi6 - 90W ac - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- |} ====Lenovo==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Lenovo Nettop IdeaCentre Q150 (40812HU) | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio--> realtek codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->intel 10/100 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit D510 |- | <!--Name-->M625q Tiny (1L) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->M.2 Sata | <!--Gfx-->Stoney Radeon R2, R3 or R4 and later R5 with 2 dp ports | <!--Audio-->HD audio with ALC233-VB2-CG codec 0x10EC 0x0233 | <!--USB-->{{No|3 usb3.1 Gen 1 and 3 usb2}} | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 RTL8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit all dual cores - e2-9000e or a4-9120e later A9-9420e - heatsink covers 70% area covers wifi - 65w or 135w lenovo rectangle ac - 1 ddr4 2666MHz slot max 8gb - tpm 2.0 - |- | <!--Name-->M715q Gen 1 AMD A6 A8 A10-9700E 9770E (2c2t) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 | <!--Gfx-->R4 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->M715q Gen 2 Ryzen 5 PRO 2400GE 4C 8T | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 | <!--Gfx-->Vega 11 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - f1 enter setup, esc device boot - fixed 1.8v ch341a needed to reflash 1.8v bios if no boot SOP8 DIP8 Winbond W25Q64, MXIC MX25U1635, MX25U6435 - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkCenter M75n nano Ryzen3 3300U | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->ThinkCentre M75q M75q-1 Tiny 1ltr TMM *AMD Ryzen 5 PRO Quad 3500 Pro 3400GE (4c 8t) 11a5 soe400 *AMD 3200GE (2c 4t) zen1+ 11a4 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|NVMe 2280 1Tb max - untested 2.5inch}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 11 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek ALC222-CG codec ALC3287 | <!--USB-->3 USB3 Gen 1 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit - 65w 20v 3.25A to 135W rectangle psu - 2 sodimm ddr4 sodimm max 32GB locked 2666MHz - |- | <!--Name-->ThinkCentre Ryzen 7 PRO Tiny 1ltr Gen 2 AMD 4000 series *AMD 4650GE (6c12t) 4750GE (8c16t) 4350G (4c8t) Zen2 - | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|NVme}} | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8169 8111 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit vendor locked - 20v psu - 2 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Thinkcenter M75q-2 Gen2 refresh | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Radeon Vega | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->1GigE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 5650GE (6c12t) 5750GE (8c16t) - vendor/PSB can lock your AMD CPU - f12 boot devices |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Thinkcentre M75q Tiny Gen5 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} | <!--SATA-->2 NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 780M dp1.4a or hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 usb-c | <!--Ethernet-->1GBe port | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2024 Ryzen PRO 7 8700GE - 90W yellow rectangle connector psu - 2 DDR5 sodimm slots max 128Gb - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |} ====Misc==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->Impart impact Media Group IQ Box mini Digital Signage with MB896 mini itx | <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->GMA 915 gme | <!--Audio--> via audio | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - 1 ddr2 slot - pentium m 1.73GHz - |- | <!--Name-->[https://everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_mini/specs/mac_mini_cd_1.83-specs.html Apple A1176 Intel MacMini1,1] | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{unk|gpt/efi }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|gma950 2d and 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ICH7 [https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+question/186749 Sigmatel Stac 9221] [https://android.googlesource.com/kernel/msm/+/android-wear-5.1.1_r0.6/sound/pci/hda/patch_sigmatel.c codec][https://alsa-devel.alsa-project.narkive.com/Yt20W6cE/sigmatel-stac9221-mux-amp-out-0x02-microphone-not-working mic]}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2006 32bit possible 1.83 GHz Intel “Core Duo” (T2400) - swap pci-e wifi for atheros 5k AR5007EG - maybe hack with a 2,1 firmware - max 4GB Ram ddr2 sodimms - external apple psu - dvd boot only with c key - |- | <!--Name-->[https://everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_mini/specs/mac-mini-core-2-duo-1.83-specs.html Apple A1176 Intel Mac Mini2,1] | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{unk|gpt/efi }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|gma950 2d and 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio with ICH7 Sigmatel Stac 9221 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aros One 2.0/ Icaros (latest beta) | <!--Comments-->2007 64bit - swap pci-e wifi for atheros 5k AR5007EG - hacked with a 2,1 firmware and replaced the cpu for T7600 2.33 Ghz C2D and max 4GB Ram ddr2 sodimms - external apple psu - dvd boot only via c key |- | <!--Name-->Apple iMac 5,1 "Core 2 Duo" 1.83GHz 17" T5600 MA710LL || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->GMA 950 with 64Mb || <!--Audio-->HDAudio idt codec || <!--USB-->3 USB2 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit - 2 ddr2 667MHz sodimm slots - 17.0" TFT widescreen 1440x900 - polycarbonate |- | <!--Name-->Apple iMac 6,1 "Core 2 Duo" 2.16 2.33 24" only T7400 T7600 aka MA456LL/A A1200 (EMC 2111) || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Nvidia 7300GT with 128 MB of GDDR3 SDRAM PCI Express or GeForce 7600GT with 256Mb mini dvi, vga || <!--Audio-->HDAudio || <!--USB-->3 USB2 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2006 64bit - 2 ddr2 667MHz sodimm slots - 24.0" TFT widescreen 1920 x 1200 - polycarbonate plastic case iMacs of this generation are the most difficult iMacs to service due to their front bezel design |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA2 | <!--IDE-->flash DOM | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->S3 Inc ProSavage PM133 (rev 02) vga | <!--Audio-->VIA VT82C686 AC97 Audio | <!--USB-->USB | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8139 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2003 32bit - VIA Ezra 800MHz - 2 PC100 sodimm slots - riser board carries an ISA slot and a PCI slot - external 12V power supply.with 4 pins - |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA5 Capio One | <!--IDE-->44pin Disk On Module DOM | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->SiS550 vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with SiS7019 codec | <!--USB-->USB1.1 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8139 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2004 32bit - internal power supply with mains lead has a "clover leaf" style - 2 144-pin PC100 or PC133 SODIMM might have 24MB of RAM soldered - |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA10 *E140 model BL-XX-XX (800MHz CPU) later *E100 model BK-XX-XX (1GHz CPU) | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA VT8623 (Apollo CLE266) vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with | <!--USB-->4 USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102/VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 74) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2004/5 32bit - 12v 5.5mm/2.1mm - 2 184-pin DDR DIMM - |- | <!--Name-->VXL Itona thin client *TC3200, *TC3x41 (P3VB-VXL) TC3541 TC3641 TC3841, *TC3xx1 (6VLE-VXL0) TC3931, *TC43xx (Gigabyte C7V7VX) TC4321 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA vga | <!--Audio-->AC'97 Audio with VIA VT | <!--USB-->VIA USB | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8100B | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2005 2006 32bit VIA Samuel 2, VIA C3 Nehamiah CPU, 1 DIMM slot, internal psu, |- | <!--Name-->Neoware Capio C50, model CA15 Thin Clients] *Login Administrator Password Administrator *Login User Password User | <!--IDE-->1 flash Disk On Module | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA VT8623 (Apollo CLE266) vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with via codec | <!--USB-->USB | <!--Ethernet-->VIA | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2006 32bit VIA Eden (Samuel II core) CPU - 1 ddr sodimm slot max 512mb - slot - internal psu clover leaf - |- | <!--Name-->[http://etoy.spritesmind.net/neowareca21.html Neoware CA21 Thin Clients] Igel 3210 (and maybe the Clientron G270) *Login Administrator Password Administrator *Login User Password User | <!--IDE-->1 flash Disk On Module DOM | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA CN700 vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with via codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit VIA C3 Nehemiah instead of Ezra-T - made 2 version of the CA 21, one with an Award bios and one with a Phoenix bios - 1 ddr2 sodimm slot max 1gb - VT6656 wireless - slot - internal psu iec - |- | <!--Name-->Neoware CA22 (e140), part number DD-L2-GE with BCOM WinNET P680 (V4) as the Igel 4210LX (Igel 5/4) | <!--IDE-->1 VIA VT82C586A/B VT82C686/A/B VT823x/A/C PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06) | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->VIA CN700 P4M800 Pro CE VN800 Graphics [S3 UniChrome Pro] (rev 01) vga | <!--Audio-->AC97 with codec | <!--USB-->USB2 VIA VT8237R Plus | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6102/VT6103 [Rhine-II] (rev 78) | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2007 32bit - VIA Esther to later C7 1GHz - 1 ddr2 sodimm slots max 512mb - +12V DC/4.16A/50W 5.5mm/2.1mm coaxial - |- | <!--Name-->10Zig RBT402, Clientron U700, | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|44 pin header very little room}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Partial|VESA dvi}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|VIA }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2008 32bit - very small cases with very limited expansion - 1 sodimm 2GB max - 12v 3a psu - Password Fireport |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Dell Optiplex FX170 D05U thin client, 10Zig 56xx range 5602, 5616v, 5617v, 5672v, Clientron U800, Devon IT TC5, | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|44 pin header very little room}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Gfx-->{{partial|GMA 950 dvi}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->Icaros 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit - very small cases with very limited expansion - 1 ddr2 sodimm 2GB max - 12v 3a psu - Password Fireport - ps2 keyboard socket - |- | <!--Name-->10Zig RBT-616V or Chip PC Technologies EX-PC (model number XPD4741) | <!--IDE-->{{unk|44 pin header very little room}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A|}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA 950}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|HD Audio with codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|rtl8169}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit N270 on NM10 with ICH7 - very small cases with very limited expansion - 1 sodimm 2GB max - 12v 4a psu - Password Fireport |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Brix GS-A21S-RH (rev. 1.0) SFF | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|X3100}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio with ALC883-GR codec}} | <!--USB-->Intel USB | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82566DC}} | <!--Test Distro-->ICAROS 2.3 | <!--Comments-->2009 64bit Intel GME965 chipset with Intel ICH8M - 2 DDR2 Dimm slots - GA-6KIEH2-RH Rev.1.x mini ITX Case 213mm(D) x 64mm(W) x 234mm(H) - custom psu - |- | <!--Name-->VXL Itona MD+24 MD27 MD54 MD64 MD76 thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->VIA Chrome 9 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA VT | <!--USB-->VIA | <!--Ethernet-->VIA | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit VIA X2 U4200 - 12v-19v barrel psu - |- | <!--Name-->Acer Revo 100 RL100 AMD Athlon II X2 K325 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® ION™ 9300m || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC662 codec || <!--USB-->USB2 1 front 2 back || <!--Ethernet-->NVIDIA nForce 10/100/1000 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2010 64bit but no AVX - 4Gb DDR3 sodimm - 500 GB - 19v 3.42a 65W - dvd but later BD drive - |- | <!--Name-->Asrock ION 330 330Pro HT-BD, Foxconn NT-330i, Zotac ION F (IONITX mini itx), | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ION geforce 9400}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|Nvidia USB}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Nvidia }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 32bit slow atom cpu - 2.5L 8" by 8" plastic case - 2 ddr2 sodimm max 4G - external 19v 65W 3.42A Plug 5.5mm X 2.5mm - little whiny fan - |- | <!--Name-->Zotac ZBOXHD-ND01 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION1 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->NVidia | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2009 32bit |- | <!--Name-->Zotac ZBOX HD-ID11 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC888 codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111D | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2010 |- | <!--Name-->ZOTAC ZBOX Blu-ray 3D ID36 Plus | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->sata | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->2 USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->GbE | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Shuttle XS35GT || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ION || <!--Audio-->HD audio IDT92HD81 || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|JMC261}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - Atom™ D510 NM10 - DDR2 |- | <!--Name-->Shuttle XS35GT V2 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ION2 || <!--Audio-->HD audio IDT92HD81 || <!--USB-->Intel || <!--Ethernet-->{{No|JMC251}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit Atom™ D525 NM10 chipset - DDR3 |- | <!--Name-->Sapphire Edge-HD || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->ION2 GT218 with vga and hdmi || <!--Audio-->HDAudio realtek codec || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{Unk|Realtek}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit - Atom™ D510 NM10 - DDR2 65 W AC, DC 19V~3.42A, 19.3L x 14.8w x 2.2H cm (1l), weight 530g, |- | <!--Name-->Sapphire Edge-HD2 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE mode}} || <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|nouveau ION2 GT218 with vga and hdmi 2d and 3d}} || <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HDAudio}} || <!--USB-->{{Yes|Intel USB2}} || <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2011 64bit Atom™ D525 NM10 chipset - DDR3 |- | <!--Name-->AOPEN Digital Engine DE67-HA(I) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| Vesa 2d for Intel HD}} | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio for ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|usb3}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel WG82579LM}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.jetwaycomputer.com/JBC600C99352W.html Jetway JBC600C99352W] | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->ION2 | <!--Audio-->{{No|C-Media CM108AH}} | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111DL | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2011 64bit D525 - DDR3 - 12v psu |- | <!--Name-->Foxconn nT-A3550 A3500 AMD A45 Chipset DDR3 Nettop Barebones - White | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 slot | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon HD6310 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 USB2 back and 2 USB3 front | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD Dual-core E350 1.6GHz CPU - 1 ddr3 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Asus EeeBox PC EB1021 || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD6320M || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC codec || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE1 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit - AMD® Brazos E-350 SFF or E-450 with A50M - 2 ddr3l so-dimm - 40W ac - |- | <!--Name-->Xi3 Piston PC Athlon64 X2 3400e (X5A), AMD R-464L quad (X7A) Z3RO NUC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->AMD mobility HD3650 to radeon HD 7660G | <!--Audio--> codec | <!--USB-->4 USB2 3 USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros AR8161}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 - 2 sodimm 8GB max - 19v 3.3a round - Titan105 bios update - |- | <!--Name-->Sapphire Edge-HD3 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD6320M with vga and hdmi || <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC662 codec || <!--USB-->USB2 || <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE1 || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD® Brazos E-450 with A45M - ddr3l so-dimm - 65W ac - Wireless is Realtek 8191SU WiFi (802.11n) or AzureWave (802.11bgn) - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->Samsung Syncmaster Thin Client Display TC-W Series 24" LF24 TOWHBFM/EN TC220W LED LF22TOW HBDN/EN || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->8gb SSD || <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe| VESA mode only Radeon HD 6290}} || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB-->2 USB 2.0 || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 thin Client C-50 C50 AMD® 1000 MHz and no wireless |- | <!--Name-->Advantech TPC-2140 thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 atom-like G-T56E 1.65Ghz up to SSE3, BGA413 soldered - |- | <!--Name-->CompuLab FIT-PC3 fitPC3 USFF PC AMD G-T56N || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} || <!--Gfx-->RADEON HD 6320 || <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio ALC888 codec}} || <!--USB-->{{yes| }} || <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2012 64 bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - 12v 3a - 2x sodimm DDR3 max 4GB - wifi rtl8188ce |- | <!--Name-->10Zig 6872 thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA }} | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 atom-like G-T56N up to SSE3 BGA413 (FT1) soldered - DDR3l single channel - |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG Technology 9972 1.6 GHz Linux 1.47 kg Black RX-216GD thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon 5E 3840 x 2160 @ 30Hz to 2560 x 1600 @ 60Hz 2 x Display Port | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->6 x USB2.0 2 x USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD RX-216TD - 1 ddr3 sodimm - 12V 4A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG 7800q thin client | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD Radeon 5E 3840 x 2160 @ 30Hz to 2560 x 1600 @ 60Hz 2 x Display Port | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->6 x USB2.0 2 x USB3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit does support AVX or SSE 4.1 AMD GX-424CC (Quad Core) 2.4GHz BGA769 (FT3b) - 1 ddr3 sodimm - 12V 4A Coax 5.5mm/2.1mm |- | <!--Name--> *Itona VXL MZE12 AMD a4-5000 thin client *VXL Itona LQ27 LQ+27 LQ44 LQ+44 LQ49 LQ+49 LQ50 LQ+50 LQ64 LQ+64 thin client | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Ati 8330 vga hdmi dp | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->4 usb2 2 usb3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2014 64bit quad BGA769 (FT3) soldered - 2 stacked sodimm ddr3 middle of mobo - 2 m.2 sata slots - 1 sata short cable half size space - limited 1ltr 8in case no fan - 19v hp style psu connector - |- | <!--Name-->Dell Wyse 5212 21.5" AIO Thin Client W11B | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Sata | <!--Gfx-->R3 out from DP or vga | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2015 64bit slow atom like dual core AMD G-T48E 1.4 GHz - dell type round ac needed 90W 19.5V 4.62A - 21 inch 1080p screen - |- | <!--Name-->LG 24CK560N-3A 24' All-in-One Thin Client Monitor, 27CN650N-6N 27CN650W-AC 27', 34CN650W-AC 34', | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AMD Prairie Falcon GX-212JJ |- | <!--Name-->CompuLab fit-PC4 fitPC4 4x 2Ghz AMD || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel}} || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2018 64 - 2x DDR4 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->IGEL Hedgehog M340C UD3 thin client *2016 V1.0 AMD GX-412HC 1.2GHz-1.6GHz Radeon R3E, normal bios DEL for Bios or F12 boot selector *2018 AMD GX-424CC 2.4GHz, Radeon R5E, UEFI hit DEL and choose boot or SCU icon | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA-->SATA half slim version '''limited space''' with msata 8+18pins slot on earlier 2016 models | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|VESA for Radeon R3E later R5E sea islands vulkan 1.2 with dvi dp output}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with codec ?? (412) and Realtek ALC662-VD0-GR (424), both case speaker}} | <!--USB-->amd usb3 boot usb2 with bios "disable usb" entry | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8169 8111 (412) and (424)}} | <!--Test Distro-->Aros One x86 USB 1.5, 1.8 and 2.2 | <!--Comments-->2016 64bit - 20cm/8" high case - 1 DDR3L sodimm slot max 8Gb 1600MHz - external '''12V 3A''' supply with 5.5mm/2.1mm coaxial - IDE like interface under base stand is for legacy addon ports RS232 parallel etc - capacitive touch power on - case opening 3 stages, remove stand and narrow black plastic strip from the back, top cover slides off to the back and lifts off - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG 6148v 6048qv (6100 series) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} | <!--USB-->{{No| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit AMD Ryzen V1202B |- | <!--Name-->10ZiG 7111q | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{maybe| }} | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2019 64bit AMD Ryzen R2514 2.1 GHz - |- | <!--Name-->Shuttle DA320 | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->R3 R5 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC662 codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->dual realtek 1GbE 8111H | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Opinion-->2017 64bit AMD 2200G 2400G - Robust metal 1.3-liter case - A320 chipset DDR4 - 19V 6.32A DC PSU - |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD7 H850C around december 2019 '''AMD Secure Processor''' is a built-in dedicated security system that checks if the BIOS has a valid signature and thus secures the next step in the boot process. This ensures that only devices with a signed BIOS will boot | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->None but 8gb emmc | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek ALC897 or ALC888S codec | <!--USB-->USB 3.2 and 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - AMD Ryzen™ Dual-Core 10W TDP - 2 DDR4 sodimms slots max 16Gb - 12V 4A psu - 2x DisplayPort 1.2 no dvi or hdmi - Intel® 9260 or SparkLAN WNFT-238AX wifi - 1x rear serial Prolific PL2303 chipset - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD7 H860C - '''AMD Secure Processor''' is a built-in dedicated security system that checks if the BIOS has a valid signature and thus secures the next step in the boot process. This ensures that only devices with a signed BIOS will boot | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->None but 8gb emmc | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek ALC897 or ALC888S codec | <!--USB-->USB 3.2 and 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - AMD Ryzen™ Dual-Core 10W TDP - 2 DDR4 sodimms slots max 16Gb - 12V 4A psu - 2x DisplayPort 1.2 no dvi or hdmi - Intel® 9260 or SparkLAN WNFT-238AX wifi - 1x rear serial Prolific PL2303 chipset - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD3 M350C (UEFI issues) | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->None but 8gb emmc | <!--Gfx-->Vega 3 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with Realtek ALC897 or ALC888S codec | <!--USB-->USB 3.2 and 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018 64bit - AMD Ryzen™ R R1505G Dual-Core 10W TDP - 2 DDR4 sodimms slots max 16Gb - 12V 4A psu - 2x DisplayPort 1.2 no dvi or hdmi - Intel® 9260 or SparkLAN WNFT-238AX wifi - 1x rear serial Prolific PL2303 chipset - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->IGEL UD7 H860C AMD Ryzen V1605B Thin Client - '''AMD Secure Processor''' is a built-in dedicated security system that checks if the BIOS has a valid signature and thus secures the next step in the boot process. This ensures that only devices with a signed BIOS will boot | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 AMD Ryzen™ Embedded V1605B 2 – 3.6 GHz (Quad-Core) - 12v 5A psu - up to 16GB RAM DDR4 - locked down components and very limited expansion options |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Brix Barebone Mini PC BSRE-1605 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 M.2 | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC269 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->2 GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 64bit AMD Ryzen V1605B - 2 DDR4 sodimm slots |- | <!--Name-->MINISFORUM Deskmini UM250 Mini PC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 64bit AMD Ryzen V1605B - |- | <!--Name-->T-Bao MN25 Mini PC 2500U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Unk|Intel NVMe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{No|VESA Radeon Vega 8}} | <!--Audio-->{{Unk| }} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek PCIe 1GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Atari VCS || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2D for AMD Vega 3}} || <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with ALC codec}} || <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3 USB 3.2 Gen 2 front and 3 usb2 rear }} || <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2021 64bit Ryzen Embedded R1606G - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - TPM 2.0 - |- | <!--Name-->Minis Forum M200 Silver Athlon M300 3300U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Minis Forum DeskMini UM300 3300U, UM350 DMAF5 3550H, UM370 and UM700 with 3750H | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit |- | <!--Name-->MinisForum X300 with AMD 3400G | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Beelink SER3 GTR4 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega 3 or 10 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RJ45 1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 64bit 3200u or 3750h |- | <!--Name-->AsRock DeskMini X300 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2020 Ryzen 7 Pro 4750G 5600G |- | <!--Name-->MinisForum Besstar Tech X400 with AMD 4650G | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->AMD | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB 3.1 gen 1 and 2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek PCIe 2.5G}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit - MP1584 - kill NB679 NB679GD-Z=ALTM=AL** QFN-12 IC-REG-DL buck/linear synchronous chip IC with bad usb cables - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink SER4 GTR5 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->cant boot from installed SSDs unless its an M.2 | <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->1 or 2 Realtek | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2021 64bit 4700U or 5900HX |- | <!--Name-->MSI PRO DP20Z 5M Mini PC - AMD Ryzen 5 5300G | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 2.5G LAN RTL8125}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2018-2021 R3 3200G Vega 8 - R5 3400G Vega 11 - Ryzen 5 5600G Vega 7 - Athlon 3000G |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum UM450 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 2.5G LAN RTL8125}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - Ryzen 4500U - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Brix GB-BRR7-4800 (rev. 1.0) GB-BRR7-4700 (rev. 1.0) GB-BRR5-4500 (rev. 1.0) GB-BRR3-4300 (rev. 1.0) | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 2.5G LAN RTL8125 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS PN50 mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 4700U | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|3.1 gen1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|realtek 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS PN51-S1 mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 5700U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Vega thru dp or hdmi | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|3.1 gen1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|realtek 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 19v or 19.5v 90w psu round barrel - 32gb ddr4 sodimm - |- | <!--Name-->Minis Forum Bessstar Tech EliteMini B550 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 x 2.5in and 2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|4 usb3.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|realtek 8125 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit AMD 4700G 5700G desktop cpu - 19v 120w round barrel - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock A300 and later X300 Mini itx with Desktop AM4 socket | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->1GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - choose your own AMD APU GE 35w based - DDR4 - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock 4x4 BOX-5800U Zen 3-based AMD Ryzen 7 5800U 15W - | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->m.2 slot gen 3 and sata | <!--Gfx-->vega | <!--Audio-->HD audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|1 GbE and 1 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - WiFi 6E - |- | <!--Name-->Topton S500+ Gaming Mini PC - Morefine S500+ 5900HX Mini PC - Minisforum UM590 Ryzen AMD Zen3 Ryzen 9 5900HX 7 5800H 45W - | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme 1 sata | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 thru HDMI 2.0, DP 1.4, and USB type-C | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->{{maybe|usb3.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|1 realtek rtl 8111h and 1 8125 2.5GbE bg-cg}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - 2 sodimm ddr4 3200MHz - |- | <!--Name-->Chuwi RzBox later Ubox | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega 8 later to 660m vga, dp, hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->{{maybe|usb-c usb2}} | <!--Ethernet-->dual gigabit | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 2025 64bit amd 5800h 4800h 6600H - 90w psu - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink Mini PC SER5, Trigkey AZW S5, Asus PN52, ZHI BEN MX-JB560, | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->PCIe3 M.2 2280 nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD Vega 6 with 1 or 2 hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB3.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek 1GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 5500U 5560u 5600U to PRO 5600H 5800H - 19v 3.42W 65W psu - |- | <!--Name-->NIPOGI Kamrui ACEMAGICIAN AM06PRO Dual LAN Mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 5800U, 5 5500U or 5600U/5625U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->M.2 and 2.5in sata | <!--Gfx-->Vega 7 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->2 GbE ports | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - plastic build - 90w usb-c power - loud at 25W setting - |- | <!--Name-->Topton FU02 Fanless Mini PC AMD Ryzen 7 4700U 5600U 5800U 8 Core 16 Threads | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe and 2.5in sata | <!--Gfx-->Vega | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->4 3.0 with 2 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->2 x 1G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64 - 2 ddr4 sodimm slots - fanless with copper cube from cpu to metal sheet which gets warm |- | <!--Name-->Xuu XR1 Lite (5300u 4c 8t) PRO 5400U MAX 5600U | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 NVMe 2242 slot | <!--Gfx-->Vega 6 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->2 3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->1G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64 quiet fan - very small case no expansions - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->MINISFORUM UM690 Venus Series | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->pcie4 nvme 2280 and 1 sata3 2.5in | <!--Gfx-->680m RNDA2 12CU with 2 hdmi | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|1 USB4 and 2 USB3.2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|2.5G LAN}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 6900hx 8C16T - 2 ddr5 sodimmm - 19v ???W - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink Mini PC GTR6 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->PCIe4 | <!--Gfx-->AMD 680M RDNA2 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB-->USB3.2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 2.5GbE or intel i225}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit Ryzen 9 6900HX Zen3+ and a 2gb Radeon 680m 12CU ddr5 sodimm - 19v 120w psu - |- | <!--Name-->Asus PN53, Geekom AS 6, | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->pcie gen4 nvme and ata 2.5in | <!--Gfx-->680m RNDA2 12CU with 2 hdmi and 1 dp | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe|2 usb-c, 2 USB2.1 and 3 USB3.2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|1G LAN}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit 6900hx 8C 16T - 2 slots ddr5 sodimmm (64Gb max) - 19v 120W - 4 retained base screws beware ribbon cable - |- | <!--Name-->Micro Computer (HK) Tech Ltd MinisForum UM773 Lite later UM750L slim, GMKtec K2 Mini PC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe PCIe4.0 | <!--Gfx-->RDNA | <!--Audio-->HD Audio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->2.5GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2023 2025 64bit - AMD Zen 3+ (8c 16t) Ryzen 7 7735HS, 7840HS and AMD Ryzen 9 7845HX AMD Ryzen™5 7545U (6c12t) - 19v up to 120w ac adapter - ddr5 sodimm 4800Mhz - |- | <!--Name-->[https://www.asrockind.com/en-gb/4x4 ASrock 4x4 SBC] | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->sata or nvme | <!--Gfx-->Vega or 680M | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 or USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 1GbE or intel 2.5GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink Mini PC GTR7 SER7 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->PCIe4 nvme 2280 up to 2Tb | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M RDNA3 GPU output on hdmi and dp | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3.2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|1 or 2 2.5GbE}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2023 64bit AMD Phoenix APUs Zen 4 CPU Ryzen 7 7840HS or 9 7940HS (8c 16t) - 19v 5.26A 120w psu - del dios setup f7 choose boot - 2 usb-c on back - up to 64gb via 2 ddr5 sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->MINISFORUM BD770i Ryzen 7 7745HX (8c16t) or BD795i SE 790i 9 7945HX (16c32t) or F1FXM_MB_V1.1 795M LGA1700 mATX | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 NVMe | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 610m over usb-c, dp or hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->USB3 with 2 rear USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 2.5G | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Opinion-->2024 mini-ITX M/B is the first MoDT (Mobile on Desktop) with soldered AMD CPU - 2 dual PCIe4.0 M.2 slots - 2 ddr5 sodimm slots max 5200Mhz - 8pin cpu power - battery not easily replaceable underneath - |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum ms-a1 MS-a2 * 5700G to 8700G apu * 9955HX | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 610M | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->dual 2.5GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2024 64bit - 19v ?A round barrel jack - 2 ddr5 so-dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->AOOSTAR GT68 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Nvme | <!--Gfx-->680m | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->2 2.5Gb | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 Ryzen7 Pro 6850H, |- | <!--Name-->NextSBC 7840HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M 12CU | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->USB4 and USB 3.2 | <!--Ethernet-->2 GbE | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - 32Gb soldered - |- | <!--Name-->Firebat A6 R7 6800H | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 680M | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum UM760 7640HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 760 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 and 2.5Gb | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Peladn WO4 Mini PC | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 760 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit 7640HS - 19v 5.26A 120W - |- | <!--Name-->BossGame M4 Neo 7840HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Minisforum UM870 || <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} || <!--SATA-->NVme || <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M || <!--Audio-->HDaudio || <!--USB-->USB3 || <!--Ethernet-->2.5GbE || <!--Test Distro--> || <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Test Distro || Comments |- | <!--Name-->GEEKOM A8 Max AI Mini PC AMD Ryzen™ 9 8945HS, Ryzen™ 7 8845HS or 8745HS | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 780M | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with codec | <!--USB-->{{maybe| USB4}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Dual 2.5 G Ethernet ports}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Beelink SER 9 | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVme | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 890M | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - Ryzen AI HX 370 strix point - |- | <!--Name-->GMKtec EVO-X2 mini pc | <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 8060S iGPU RDNA3.5 RADV GFX1151 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - amd ryzen AI Max+ 395 (16c32t) strix halo - |- | <!--Name-->BosGame M5 | <!--IDE-->{{n/a}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->AMD 8060S iGPU RDNA3.5 RADV GFX1151 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB-->USB4 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2025 64bit - amd ryzen AI Max+ 395 (16c32t) - |- | <!--Name-->Steam Machine GabeCube | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->semi-custom 1080p amd 7600m like with 28cu 8gb ddr6 gddr 10GFlops | <!--Audio-->hdaudio with codec | <!--USB-->usb3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments-->2026 64bit amd 1772 hawk point2 6c12t zen4 avx512 FP7 socket with FCH51 - 16gb ddr5 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |} ===Server Systems=== [[#top|...to the top]] ====IBM==== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" ! width="15%" |Name ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="10%" |Integrated Gfx ! width="10%" |Audio ! width="10%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="15%" |Test Distro ! width="20%" |Comments |- | <!--Name-->xSeries 206m | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ATI RN50b (VESA only)}} | <!--Audio-->{{n/a}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB 2.0 (UHCI/EHCI)}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom}} | <!--Test Distro-->Nightly Build 2014-09-27 | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- |} ===Motherboard=== [[#top|...to the top]] * Late 2002, USB2.0 added and slightly better AROS sound support (AC97) appeared * 2002-2005 and still, to a limited extent, ongoing [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague bad capacitors] * Late 2003, ATX PSUs moved from 5V to 12v rails (extra 4pin on motherboard for CPU) * Late 2005, PCI Express replaced AGP and HDAudio replaced AC97 * Late 2007, ATX PSUs added extra 12V PCI-E connectors and 4+4pin for CPUs * Late 2010, USB3.0 appears on motherboards or needing a PCI-E motherboard slot * Late 2014 Hardware USB2 removed from USB3 chipsets ====AMD Sockets==== [[#top|...to the top]] =====Socket 7 (1997/1999)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->1997 VT82C586B (QFP-208) is the first from VIA with DDMA |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2000 VT82C686 has close to excellent DDMA support |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->SiS 5581/5582 SiS 5591/5595 SiS 530 /5595 SiS 600/5595 SiS 620/5595 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket A 462 (2001/4)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/motherboards/article.php/2217921/ABIT-NF7-S-nForce2-Motherboard-Review.htm Abit NF7-S] | <!--Chipset-->nForce 2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->SIL 3112A | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650 AC97 (Nvidia APU)}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL 8201LB | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Realtek RTL8801B |- | <!--Name-->ASRock K7NF2 | <!--Chipset-->nforce2 ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|AGP 8x}} | <!--Audio-->CMedia CMI 9761A AC'97 | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8201 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock K7S8X | <!--Chipset-->SIS 746FX | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|AGP 8x}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC'97 cmedia}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB2.0 works but does not boot}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|SiS900}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock K7S41GX | <!--Chipset-->SIS 741GX + DDR 333 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|onboard sis does not work with vga or vesa but AGP 8x works}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 SIS 7012}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|USB2.0 works but does not boot}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|SiS 900}} | <!--Opinion-->works ok |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.asus.com ASUS A7N8X] | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->Silicon Image Sil 3112A | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ac97 ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|ehci USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8201BL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->first total support for AROS in 2004/5 - damocles and M Schulz |- | <!--Name-->Biostar M7NCD | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650 AC97}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8201BL}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Chaintech 7NJS Ultra Zenith | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Promise PDC 20376 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|CMI8738}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->DFI Lanparty NF2 Ultra | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|via ac97 VT1616}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8139C | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ECS N2U400-A | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|Cmedia 9379A AC97}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|usb2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|VIA VT6103L}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA7N400L | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 Ultra 400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP 8x slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 ALC650}} | <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8100C | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.gigabyte.lv/products/page/mb/ga-8siml Gigabyte 8SIML] | <!--Chipset-->SIS 650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC'97}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|working}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Realtek RTL8100L LAN}} | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Matsonic [http://www.elhvb.com/mobokive/archive/matsonic/manual/index.html Manuals] MS83708E | <!--Chipset-->SIS730 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|SiS 5513}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|sis 305 no support use VESA}} | <!--Audio-->{{no|sis7018}} | <!--USB-->{{no|SiS 7001 USB 1.1 only}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|SIS900}} | <!--Opinion-->little support |- | <!--Name-->[http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=bph07585&lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&dest_page=softwareCategory&os=228&tool=softwareCategory&query=Pavilion%20742n&product=89232 MSI MS-6367 HP 722n 742n (Mambo) (2001/2)] | <!--Chipset-->Nvidia nforce 220D (2001/2) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->GeForce2 AGP works 2D nouveau only | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|AC97 ADI 1885 no volume control on Units 0-3}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 USB1.1 ports AMD based - front 2 ports iffy}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|nForce}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested 20th Aug 2012 NB |- | <!--Name-->MSI K7N2 [http://us.msi.com/index.php?func=proddesc&maincat_no=1&prod_no=546/ Delta ILSR] Delta-L | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 (2002/3) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|Primary & Secondary ports}} IDE Tertiary port (RAID) | <!--SATA-->2 ports (RAID) | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|when fitted with an agp video card}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ac97 ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8201BL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->runs AROS well. Tested with Icaros 1.2.3 |- | <!--Name-->MSI K7N2 Delta2-LSR Platinum | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 (2002/3) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|Primary & Secondary ports}} IDE Tertiary port (RAID) | <!--SATA-->2 ports (RAID) | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|when fitted with an agp video card}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|ac97 ALC655}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8201BL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->runs AROS well. Tested with Icaros 1.2.3 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/motherboards/article.php/2204281/Soltek-SL-75MRN-L-nForce2-Motherboard-Review.htm Soltek 75FRN-L] | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|2 ports}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->AGP slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 usb2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek RTL8201BL}} | <!--Opinion-->good support |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.3dvelocity.com/reviews/mach4nf2ultra/mach4.htm XFX Pine Mach4 nForce2 Ultra 400] | <!--Chipset-->nForce2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|3 ports}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2 ports VIA VT6240}} | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP 8x slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC650}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8201BL}} | <!--Opinion-->some support |- | <!--Name-->ASUS A7V266 | <!--Chipset-->via KT266A + 8233 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{no|issues}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot | <!--Audio-->AC97 with AD1980 codec | <!--USB-->via 8233 | <!--Ethernet-->VIA VT6103 | <!--Opinion-->2002 issues with booting |- | <!--Name-->Asus A7V8X-X | <!--Chipset-->VIA KT400 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{unk| }} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|agp}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|AC97 with ADI AD1980 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|VIA 8235}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|Realtek 10/100}} | <!--Opinion-->2003 not booting for Socket A for AMD Barton/Thoroughbred/Athlon XP/Athlon/Duron 2.25+ GHz CPU - 3 x DDR DIMM Sockets Max. 3 GB - |- |} =====Socket 754 (2004/5)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Abit NF8-V2 | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 250GB (2004/5) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|2 ports}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2 ports}} | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot x8 | <!--Audio-->ALC658 ac97 | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8201C}} | <!--Opinion-->a little support but no Firewire VIA VT6306 |- | <!--Name-->Biostar CK8 K8HNA Pro | <!--Chipset-->nforce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->VT6420 thru ide legacy only | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|AC97 ALC655}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8110S | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VT6307 no |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.extremeoverclocking.com/reviews/motherboards/Chaintech_ZNF3-150_3.html Chaintech ZNF3-150 Zenith] | <!--Chipset-->nforce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|Sli3114 SATA via IDE emul}} | <!--Gfx-->1 AGP slot | <!--Audio-->{{no|VIA Envy24PT (VT1720) + VT1616}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcom GbE 5788}} | <!--Opinion-->very little support needs PCI cards but no Firewire VIA VT6306 |- | <!--Name-->DFI Lanparty UT nF3 250GB | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 250gb | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|2 ports nForce3 and 2 Marvell SATA PHY}} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|AC97 ALC850}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|2 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->CK8S - Winfast NF3 250K8AA works and Marvell 88E1111 does not work | <!--Opinion-->2005 some support but no Firewire VIA VT6307 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-K8N | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA nForce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC658 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8100C | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TI43AB23 no |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte K8NNXP | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Sata sil3512 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC658 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTl8110S | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TI STB82AA2 no |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-K8NSNXP | <!--Chipset-->nForce3 250GB | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->SiI 3512 CT128 Sata Sil3515 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC850 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvel 88E8001}} | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->MSI K8N Neo-FIS2R | <!--Chipset-->nVIDIA NF3-250Gb | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Realtek 7.1 AC'97 ALC850 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E1111}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->[http://techreport.com/articles.x/5748/1 Shuttle AN50R] | <!--Chipset-->nF3-150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Sil 3112 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC650 AC97 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia nF3 (10/100) Intel 82540EM Gigabit | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VT6307 no |- | <!--Name--> Foxconn WinFast K8S755A | <!--Chipset-->SiS755 + SiS964 (DDR333) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> {{yes|AC97}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> {{yes|RTL8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket 939 (2005)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus A8N-LA GeForce 6150 LE | <!--Chipset-->Geforce 6150 (MCP51) + nForce 430 (PC-3200) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|two ATA 133}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|four 3.0GB/s SATAII ports}} | <!--Gfx-->built in or PCI-E x16 | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC883 HD Audio | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL 8201CL | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus A8N-SLI Premium | <!--Chipset-->NVidia | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|PCIe slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|AC97}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|nForce LAN but not Marvell}} | <!--Opinion-->Works well |- | <!--Name-->DFI nF4 Ultra-D LanParty - Diamond Flower International sold to BenQ group 2010 | <!--Chipset-->nF4 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->4 ports SATA 2 | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe x16 slots | <!--Audio-->AC97 with ALC850 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Dual Gigabit Ethernet, PCIe by Vitesse VSC8201 PHY nee Cicada 8201, PCI by Marvel 88E8001 | <!--Opinion-->2006 64bit - Four 184-pin DDR Dual-Channel Slots - 1 pci on Ultra, 2 pci on sli, |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus A8V E SE | <!--Chipset-->VIA K8T890 +VT8237R CHIPSET ATX AMD Motherboard with Athlon 64 X2 / Athlon 64 FX / Athlon 64 | <!--ACPI-->{{N/A}} | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{N/A}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe}} AC97 driver using Realtek ALC850 codec | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} USB 2.0 only | <!--Ethernet-->{{No}} Marvell 88E8053 | <!--Opinion-->Good base but needs additional PCI cards added for better support |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS A8V Deluxe (2004) | <!--Chipset-->VIA K8T800 Pro (DDR400) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->Promise 20378 2 ports | <!--SATA-->2 SATA2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{no|VIA VT8233A 8235 8237 AC97}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Marvell 88E8001 Gigabit}} | <!--Opinion-->needs extra PCI cards |- |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Test Distro--> | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->AsRock 939Dual-SATA2 | <!--Chipset-->Ali Uli M1695 PCIe with M1567 AGP | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->2 ports | <!--SATA-->1 Sata with JMicron JMB360 chip | <!--Gfx-->1 pci-e and 1 agp | <!--Audio-->AC97 with ALC850 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8201CL PHY ULi 10/100 | <!--Opinion-->64bit pci-e and agp combo on board - 4 ddr slots - |} =====Socket AM2 (2006/8) and AM2+ (2007-2010) ===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M61PME-S2 (rev. 2.x) | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA® GeForce 6100 / nForce 430 chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d for vga}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio Realtek ALC662 Audio Codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M2N61-AR mini itx | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA nForce 430 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 | <!--SATA-->2 | <!--Gfx-->GeForce 6150SE via vga or 1 pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with codec | <!--USB-->Nvidia | <!--Ethernet-->Nvidia | <!--Opinion-->2006 32bit - 1 pci - 2 ddr2 dimm slots non-eec - |- | <!--Name-->asus m2n68-am se2 | <!--Chipset-->nvidia 630a 630/a MCP68SE | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 ports | <!--SATA-->2 ports MCP61 chipset is SATA over IDE, not SATA over AHCI and reports subsystem as 0x1 IDE, not 0x6 SATA | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|nvidia 7025 2d and 3d thru vga}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|hd audio with realtek alc662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|nForce chipset RTL 8201CP}} | <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit Phenom IIX2, Athlon 64 LE X2, Sempron, and Phenom FX processors - ddr2 667Mhz ram max 4Gb - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-MA770-UD3 (rev. 1.0) | <!--Chipset-->AMD 770 with SB700 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888 codec }} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111C later 8111D}} | <!--Opinion-->Good support for AM2+ / AM2 with 4 ddr2 ram - 4 x PCI Express x1, 2 x PCI slots - firewire T.I. TSB43AB23 chip no support - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M3A32-MVP Deluxe | <!--Chipset-->AMD 790FX RD790 + SB600 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{No|Marvell 88SE6121 SATA II}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 1.1 support | <!--Audio-->{{No|HD Audio ADI® AD1988}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8056}} | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASROCK N68-S N68C-S | <!--Chipset-->AMD based nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|slimline DVD drive works}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GF 7025 use vesa}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio for VIA 1708S VT1705}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe|echi usb 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8201EL / 8201CL - nforce}} | <!--Opinion-->2008 unbuffered 1066Mhz ddr2 ram - N68C-S may need noacpi added to grub boot line to disable pci temporarily to run as it cannot get to [PCI] Everything OK - |- | <!--Name-->Asus M2N68-AM Plus | <!--Chipset-->Athlon 64, Sempron, Athlon 64 X2, Athlon 64 FX with nvidia 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->no vga, pci-e slot only | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8211CL Gigabit LAN}} | <!--Opinion-->adding "noacpi noapic noioapic" to the GRUB options - Dual channel DDR2 1066, 800, 667 MHz - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M68M-S2 (1.0) S2P (2.3) S2L GA-M68SM-S2 (1.x) | <!--Chipset-->nForce 630a chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025, vga (s2 and s2p), dvi (s2l) | <!--Audio-->ALC883 (S2), ALC888B (S2P), ALC662 (S2L), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8201CL (S2), 8211CL (S2P), 8211BL (S2L), | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit possible with AMD AM2+ CPU on AM2 motherboard, the system bus speed will downgrade from HT3.0(5200MHz) to HT1.0(2000 MT/s) spec |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M2N68-VM | <!--Chipset-->nForce 630a (MCP68PVNT) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Nvidia GeForce ® 7050PV hdmi, dvi and vga | <!--Audio-->HD audio VIA 1708B codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8211C | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit - ddr2 800Mhz |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket AM3 White socket (2010/11)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-MA74GM-S2 GA-MA74GM-S2H | <!--Chipset-->740g with sb710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|bios IDE}} | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 2100 and pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->ALC888 (r1.x),ALC888b (r2.0), ALC888B (rev4.x) | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8111C later 8111D | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - 2 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets max 8 GB - Micro ATX Form Factor 24.4cm x 23.4cm - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.vesalia.de/e_aresone2011.htm Aresone 2011] | <!--Chipset-->760g | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|no Radeon HD3000 driver yet<br>vesa driver works<br>and add PCIe card}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes}} | <!--Opinion-->Good support - 4 DDR3 memory sockets - |- | <!--Name-->Foxconn A76ML-K 3.0 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760g rev3.0 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|1 }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|4 in IDE mode }} | <!--Gfx-->HD3000 with pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC662-GR codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit - 2 ddr3 slots - 2 pci slots - |- | <!--Name-->GA-MA770T-UD3P (rev. 1.0 to 1.4) | <!--Chipset-->amd 770 with sb710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|4 sata}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio with Realtek ALC888 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8168 rtl8111c/d}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 64 - 4 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-MA770-UD3 (rev. 2.0 2.1) | <!--Chipset-->AMD 770 with SB700 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888 codec }} | <!--USB-->{{yes|USB2}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 8111C later 8111D}} | <!--Opinion-->Good support for AM3 with 4 ddr2 ram - 4 x PCI Express x1, 2 x PCI slots - firewire T.I. TSB43AB23 chip no support - |- | <!--Name-->Asus M4A785TD-M PRO | <!--Chipset-->785G and SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|ide legacy}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ATI Radeon HD 4200 - use vesa}} or pci-e 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Opinion-->Good support with 1366 ddr3 ram - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M4A88T-I Deluxe ITX | <!--Chipset-->AMD 880G with AMD SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Three SATA 3Gbps | <!--Gfx-->Radeon HD 4350 GPU with HDMI and DVI or One 16x PCI-Express 2.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC889 | <!--USB-->6 x USB 2, 2 x USB 3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek RTL8112L}} | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit - 2 SODIMM DDR3 slots max 8GB |- | <!--Name-->Asus M4A88T-M Version E5907 E5826 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 880G SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Radeon 4250 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA VT 1708S codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek rtl8169 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->GigaByte 890GPA-UD3H | <!--Chipset-->AMD 890GX together with SB850 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Yes | <!--Gfx-->use pci-e nvidia | <!--Audio-->Maybe - ALC892 rev. 1.0, ALC892 rev 2.1, ALC889 rev. 3.1 | <!--USB-->Yes | <!--Ethernet-->Yes | <!--Opinion-->works well overall |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-890FXA-UD7 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 890FX with SB850 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|IDE }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC889 (rev 2.x) | <!--USB-->{{Yes|AMD USB2 but limited with NEC D720200F1 USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->2 x Realtek 8111D | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - XL-ATX Form Factor 32.5cm x 24.4cm - 4 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 890GXM-G65 | <!--Chipset-->890GX + SB750 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|legacy}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|ATI 4290 built-in (vesa)}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC889 DD GR}} HD Audio crackles | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock N68-VS3 FX | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 / nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 Sata2 | <!--Gfx-->Integrated NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA® VT1705 Codec | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek PHY RTL8201EL | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit - 2 x DDR3 DIMM slots - |- | <!--Name-->MSI GF615M-P35 MS-7597 | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA® nForce 430 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->GeForce 6150SE | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HD Audio with Realtek® ALC888S}} | <!--USB-->{{No|freezes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek 8211CL}} | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M68MT-S2 | <!--Chipset--> nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 vga | <!--Audio-->ALC888B (1.3), ACL887 (3.1), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8211CL (all) | <!--Opinion-->2010 64bit possible, AMD AM3 CPU on this motherboard, the system bus speed will downgrade from HT3.0 (5200MT/s) to HT1.0 (2000 MT/s) spec |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-M68MT-S2P | <!--Chipset--> nForce 630a | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->NVIDIA® GeForce 7025 vga | <!--Audio-->ALC888B (1.x 2.x), ALC889 (3.0), ALC888B/889 (3.1), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8211CL (all) | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M4N78 PRO | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA GeForce 8300 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 xUltraDMA 133/100 | <!--SATA-->6 xSATA 3 Gbit/s ports | <!--Gfx-->Integrated NVIDIA® GeForce® 8 series GPU with 1 PCIe 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA1708S 8 -Channel codec | <!--USB-->12 USB 2.0 ports (8 ports at mid-board, 4 ports at back panel) | <!--Ethernet-->NVIDIA Gigabit | <!--Opinion-->4 x DIMM, Max. 16 GB, DDR2 1200(O.C.)/1066*/800/667 ECC,Non-ECC,Un-buffered Memory - ATX Form Factor 12 inch x 9.6 inch ( 30.5 cm x 24.4 cm ) - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket AM3+ Black socket (2012/15)===== *095W FX-6300 FD6300WMHKBOX (bulldozer SSE4.1 AVX) 970 mobos with FX-8320E 8core Black Editions FD832EWMHKBOX FX-8370E (Vishera/Piledriver) *125W FX-6310 (bulldozer) 970 mobos with FX-8320 FX-8350 FX-8370 (Vishera/Piledriver) *220W 990FX mobos with FX-9000 FX-9370 FX-9590 {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS M5A78L-M LX3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760G with SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|bios IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->HD3000 with pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC887, V? ALC892 codecs | <!--USB-->USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Qualcomm Atheros 8161/8171 add realtek 8111? pci-e card}} | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - uATX Form Factor 9.6 inch x 7.4 inch ( 24.4 cm x 18.8 cm ) - 2 x DIMM, Max. 16GB, DDR3 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-78LMT-S2P | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760G and SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|6 SATA2 ports}} | <!--Gfx-->GT240 and a nv7900gs, both pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC889 (r3.1), ALC??? (rev. 4.0), ALC887 (r5.x)}} | <!--USB-->4 USB2 | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|Realtek 8111E (r3.1), Atheros (rev4.0), Atheros (r5.x) }} | <!--Opinion-->2012 offers very poor control over its EFI vs. BIOS booting partition features |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-78LMT-USB3 (r3.0), (r4.1 Blue board), (r5.0 dark board), (rev6 dark mobo) | <!--Chipset-->AMD 760G and SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|Bios IDE mode for SATA2 on early ones}} | <!--Gfx-->AMD HD3000, pci-e GT240 and a nv7900gs | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC??? (r3.0), ALC887 (r4.1), VIA VT2021 (r5.0), Realtek® ALC892 codec (rev6) }} | <!--USB-->{{yes|AMD USB2 but not VIA® VL805 USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit - Micro ATX Form Factor 24.4cm x 24.4cm - 4 x DDR3 DIMM sockets - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 760GM | <!--Chipset-->ATI 760G plus SB710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->HD3000 Use Vesa | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|P33 VT1705; P34, P21 and P23 (FX) MS7641 v3.0 ALC887, E51 ALC892}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek}} | <!--Opinion-->P23 issues with audio ALC887 crackles thru earphones - |- | <!--Name-->Gigayte GA-MA770T-UD3P (rev. 3.1) | <!--Chipset-->amd 770 with sb710 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with Realtek ALC888/892 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111d/e | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASRock 890FX Deluxe5 Extreme3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 890FX + AMD SB850 or SB950 (Extreme3) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes}} | <!--Gfx-->{{N/A}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC892}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8111E rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M5A97 R2.0 EVO | <!--Chipset-->AMD 970 and SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->Asmedia SATA Controller | <!--Gfx-->n/a | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC887 (LE), ALC887 (Regular), ALC892 (EVO) codec | <!--USB-->4 USB 2.0 and 2 Asmedia USB3.0 Controller | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111F | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-970A-D3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 970 with SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes|IDE mode}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio--> ALC??? (rev. 1.0/1.1), ALC887 (rev1.2), VIA VT2021 codec (rev 1.3 1.4 and rev3.0) | <!--USB-->{{yes|AMD USB2 but not Etron EJ168 chip (USB3)}} | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek GbE 8111E (all revisions), | <!--Opinion-->2015 64bit - ATX Form Factor 30.5cm x 22.4cm - 4 x 1.5V DDR3 DIMM sockets - |- | <!--Name-->MSI 970 Gaming | <!--Chipset-->970FX SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC1150 Codec | <!--USB-->6 usb2 with 2 USB3 VIA VL806 Chipset | <!--Ethernet-->Killer E2205 Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus M5A99X EVO | <!--Chipset-->990X - RD980 with SB920 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->2 pci-e gen ? | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC892 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 realtek 8111e | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-990XA-UD3 | <!--Chipset-->AMD 990 with SB950 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC889 (rev 1.x, 3.0, 3.1), | <!--USB-->{{yes|AMD USB2 not 2 x Etron EJ168 chips for USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->realtek rtl8169 8111e | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - ATX Form Factor; 30.5cm x 24.4cm - 4 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====AMD Fusion (2011/14)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | 1.2GHz single Bobcat Fusion C30 + Hudson M1 | ACPI | IDE | SATA | AMD 6250 | Audio | USB | Ethernet | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | Asus E35M1-M PRO uATX | 1.6GHz 18W AMD Fusion E-350 dual core + Hudson M1 | ACPI | {{N/A}} | SATA | AMD 6310 - no HD driver yet | ALC887 VD2 | USB | RTL8111E | 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - EFI bios [http://www.anandtech.com/show/4023/the-brazos-performance-preview-amd-e350-benchmarked] |- | Asus E35M1-I Deluxe miniITX | 1.6GHz dual AMD Fusion E350 + Hudson M1 + DDR3 | ACPI | {{N/A}} | SATA | AMD 6310 - no HD driver yet | ALC892 | USB | Realtek 8111E | 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - no support for Atheros AR5008 on a Mini PCI-E |- | ASRock E350M1 / USB3 (also version with USB3.0 added) | 1.6GHz dual AMD Fusion E350 + Hudson M1 | ACPI | {{N/A}} | SATA - 4 SATA3 | {{Maybe|AMD 6310 - use vesa with hdmi and dvi}} | {{Yes|Audio ALC892 playback but no HDMI output}} | USB - 4 USB2.0 and 2 USB3.0 | {{Yes|rtl8169 for Realtek 8111E 8411 ethernet chipset}} | 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-E350N-USB3 mini-ITX | <!--Chipset--> Hudson M1 FCH | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 SATA3 | <!--Gfx--> plus HDMI, DVI | <!--Audio-->ALC892 | <!--USB-->2 NEC USB3.0 with 4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-E350N Win8 V1.0 | <!--Chipset-->Hudson M1 FCH A45 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 SATA3 | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Use VESA - AMD 6310 plus HDMI, DVI}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC887 playback through headphones but not thru hdmi}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe|4 USB2.0 needs more testing}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8111 8168B}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - works well but need to test with sata hard disk |- | <!--Name-->MSI E350IA-E45 | <!--Chipset-->e-350 + Hudson M1 + DDR3 | <!--ACPI-->no support | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 Sata3 ports | <!--Gfx-->AMD 6310 gpu | <!--Audio-->ALC HDA | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 and 2 USB3.0 through NEC 720200 chipset | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS E45M1-M PRO | <!--Chipset-->E450 APU with Hudson M1 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS E45M1-I Deluxe | <!--Chipset-->E-450 together | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket FM1 (2011/13)===== On board Graphic on CPU - HD6410D, HD6530D, HD6550D, {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS F1A55-M LE | <!--Chipset--> with AMD A55 FCH (Hudson D2) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->6 x SATA 3Gbit/s port(s), blue Support Raid 0, 1, 10, JBOD | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 2.0 slot or Integrated AMD Radeon™ HD 6000 in Llano APU | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC887 Audio CODEC | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 ports | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E rtl8169 | <!--Opinion-->2012 2011 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - A-Series/E2- Series APUs up to 4 cores - 2 x DIMM, Max. 32GB, DDR3 2250(O.C.)/1866/1600/1333/1066 MHz Non-ECC, Un-buffered Memory Dual Channel Memory Architecture - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket FM2 White Socket (2012/13)===== Onboard Gfx on CPU - HD6570, HD7480D, HD7540D, {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A75 A85X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit does not support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket FM2 Plus Black socket (2013/15)===== Onboard Gfx on CPU - HD6570, HD7480D, HD7540D, {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A88X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket AM1 FS1b socket (2014/1x)===== 5350 4 core Jaguar cores 2GHz with Integrated AMD Radeon R Series Graphics in the APU Kabini [Radeon HD 8400] Later Beema APU with 2/4 core Puma (slightly updated Jaguar) cores, GCN graphics and a compute capable Radeon core, along with a brand new AMD security processor and FT3 BGA packaging (probably best avoided for long term survival). {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS AM1I-A | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio Realtek® ALC887-VD | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111GR 8168 | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit may support AVX or SSE 4.1 - |- | <!--Name-->MSI AM1I | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111G | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI AM1M | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111G | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->BGA FT3 AM1x |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket AM4 FM3 Summit Ridge Zen Zen+ (2016/22)===== Jim Keller’s group designed x86 Zen CPU - new and covering the same AM4 platform/socket for desktop Zen will also shift from Bulldozer’s Clustered Multithreading (CMT) to Simultaneous Multithreading (SMT, aka Intel’s Hyperthreading). CMT is the basis for Bulldozer’s unusual combination of multiple integer cores sharing a single FPU within a module, so the move to SMT is a more “traditional” design for improving resource usage Trusted Platform Module, or fTPM, that Windows 11 requires. Ryzen processors using a firmware TPM are causing stutters, even when doing mundane tasks. To enable TPM 2.0 on your AMD system please follow the steps below. <pre> Power on system and press DEL or F2 to get into the BIOS. Navigate to Advanced\CPU Configuration. Enable AMD fTPM switch. Press F10 to save changes. </pre> {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Crosshair VI Hero | <!--Chipset-->X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 (1x16 or 2x8) | <!--Audio-->SupremeFX audio features an S1220 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel I211 | <!--Opinion-->Ryzen 7 1800X 1700X |- | <!--Name-->Biostar X370gtn Itx Am4 | <!--Chipset-->AMD X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek Dragon LAN RTL8118AS | <!--Opinion--> 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-AX370 K7 | <!--Chipset--> X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with 2 x Realtek® ALC1220 codec 0x10EC, 0x0295 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->1 intel and 1 E2500 | <!--Opinion--> 4 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->MSI Xpower Gaming Titanium | <!--Chipset--> X370 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->8-channel Realtek 1220 Codec 0x10EC, 0x0295 | <!--USB-->ASMedia® ASM2142 and amd cpu | <!--Ethernet-->1 x Intel® I211AT Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion--> 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Prime B350 Plus ATX | <!--Chipset-->B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 (x16 mode) | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC887 8-Channel | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->Ryzen 5 1600x 1600 1500X 1400 - 4 x DIMM Max 64GB, DDR4 up to 2666MHz ECC and non-ECC Memory - ATX 12 inch x 9.35 inch ( 30.5 cm x 23.7 cm ) - 2 pci |- | <!--Name-->Asus PRIME B350M-A/CSM Micro ATX | <!--Chipset-->AMD B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek LAN | <!--Opinion-->Ryzen 3 1300x 1200 1100 |- | <!--Name-->AsRock Pro4 AB350 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe 3.0 x16, 4 PCIe 2.0 x1 | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->2017 64bit - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock AB350 Gaming-ITX/ac | <!--Chipset--> B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B350 Tomahawk Arctic Mortar | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->1 x PCIe 3.0 x16 (x16 mode) | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->white and grey colours - 2 pci-e and 2 pci slots - m.2 in middle - atx 12 in by 9.6 in and matx versions - |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue M-ATX B350M-TI | <!--Chipset-->B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue B350I-Plus ITX | <!--Chipset-->B350 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASRock A320M-ITX MINI ITX Rev1.0 Rev2 Rev2.1 | <!--Chipset-->A320 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2018 |- | <!--Name-->Asus PRIME A320M-C R2.0 rev1.1 A320M-K | <!--Chipset-->A320 A/B300 SFF | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HD audio with Realtek ALC887 alc897 CODEC | <!--USB-->2 usb 3.1 gen 1 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111E | <!--Opinion-->2019 64bit - 3rd/2nd/1st Gen AMD Ryzen™ / 2nd and 1st Gen AMD Ryzen™ with Radeon™ Vega |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI A320M-A PRO MicroATX | <!--Chipset-->AMD A320 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio Realtek® ALC892 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 8111H | <!--Opinion-->2019 64bit - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG X399 Zenith Extreme | <!--Chipset-->AMD X399 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> supremefx s1220 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Opinion-->Threadripper 1950X 1920X 1900X TR4 skt |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->AsRock Fatality X470 Gaming K4 mATX | <!--Chipset-->X470 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->pci-e rebar possible | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asrock Fatal1ty X470 Gaming-ITXac AMD AM4 | <!--Chipset-->AMD X470 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS ROG STRIX X470-I GAMING AM4 ITX Motherboard | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus B450-I Gaming | <!--Chipset-->AMD B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->high VRM temps - raven ridge 14nm+ like 2200G 2400G |- | <!--Name-->AsRock B450 Gaming K4 | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> alc892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> 4 ddr4 slots - low VRM thermals 3900x 3950x |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte B450 I Aorus Pro Wifi | <!--Chipset-->AMD B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->1 nvme pcie3 with 4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pcie | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek® ALC1220-VB codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Opinion-->very high vrm temps |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue B450i Gaming ITX | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata3 - none nvme | <!--Gfx-->pcie3 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->1G | <!--Opinion-->2021 64 2nd 3rd AMD - 2 ddr4 dimm slots |- | <!--Name-->MSI b450 tomahawk max | <!--Chipset--> b450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{n/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HD audio with Realtek® ALC892 Codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111H | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450 Pro Carbon | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> ALC codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450-A PRO | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111h | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450I GAMING Plus AC ITX | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2019 - 2nd and 3rd gen AMD - 2 ddr4 slots - |- | <!--Name-->MSI B450 GAMING PLUS MAX | <!--Chipset-->B450 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek® ALC892/ALC897 Codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111H | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MAXSUN AMD Challenger B450M M-ATX (aka Soyo) | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASRock X570 PHANTOM GAMING-ITX/TB3 Mini ITX AM4 | <!--Chipset-->X570 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->nvme | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 4.0 | <!--Audio--> ALC1200 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel LAN | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Crosshair VIII Dark Hero | <!--Chipset-->AMD X570 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> SupremeFX7.1 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel® I211-AT and Realtek® RTL8125-CG 2.5G LAN | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Strix X570-I Gaming Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI MPG X570 Gaming Plus | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> alc1220 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Strix B550-i AM4 ITX Motherboard | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 - |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue Jingyue B550i Gaming itx | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->3 with 1 nvme | <!--Gfx-->1 pci-e 4 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio alc | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->1G | <!--Comments-->2022 64bit max of Ryzen 5500 (c t), 5600, 5600g (6c12t) - 2 ddr4 |- | <!--Name-->Asrock B550 PHANTOM GAMING ITX/AX | <!--Chipset-->AMD B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> alc1220 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel 2.5G | <!--Comments--> |- | <!--Name-->AsRock B550M-ITX/ac | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> Realtek ALC887/897 Audio Codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion-->2022 - 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG STRIX B550-A GAMING | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->PCIe Gen4 x4 & SATA3 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 4 | <!--Audio--> supremefx S1220A | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel® I225-V 2.5Gb | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte AMD B550I AORUS PRO AX Mini-ITX rev 1.0 | <!--Chipset-->AMD B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 nvme pci-e3 with 4 sata3 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC1220-VB codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 2.5GbE LAN | <!--Opinion-->2021 2 x DDR4 DIMM sockets 1Rx8/2Rx8/1Rx16 - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte B550 AORUS ELITE AX V2 ATX | <!--Chipset-->B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 DP and hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC1200 | <!--USB-->USB3 USB 3.2 Gen1 Type-C | <!--Ethernet-->2.5GbE LAN | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit- finer tuning than A520's - AMD Ryzen 5000 Series/ 3rd Gen Ryzen and 3rd Gen Ryzen with Radeon Graphics CPU - Dual Channel ECC/ Non-ECC Unbuffered DDR4, 4 DIMMs - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte B550M DS3H mATX | <!--Chipset--> B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio ALC887 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->realtek rtl8118 | <!--Opinion-->2021 64bit - 4 ddr4 dimms - |- | <!--Name-->MSI MPG B550 GAMING PLUS ATX | <!--Chipset--> B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC892 | <!--USB-->USB 3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8111H | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen Processors - 4 dimm ddr4 - |- | <!--Name-->MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK ATX | <!--Chipset--> B550 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe 1 x M.2, Socket 3, M Key (up to Type 22110) and 1 x M.2, Socket 3, M Key (Type 2242/2260/2280) | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 4.0 with dp and hdmi | <!--Audio-->HDaudio ALC1200 | <!--USB-->USB3 1 x USB 3.1 Type-C and 1 x USB 3.1 Type-A | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8125B and Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - 4 Dimm slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Jginyue A520M-H mATX | <!--Chipset-->A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> old bios with random issues with APU ryzens - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte A520M S2H mATX | <!--Chipset-->AMD A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 1GbE | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit Zen3 65W and up - 2 ddr4 - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte A520I AC mITX mini-itx | <!--Chipset-->AMD A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit Zen3 65W and up 5600G (6c12t) or 5700G (8c16t) - 2 ddr4 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->MSI A520M-A PRO mATX | <!--Chipset-->A520 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe 1 x M.2, Socket 3, M Key (Type 2242/2260/2280) | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e 3.0 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC892 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111H | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - 2 ddr4 dimm slots - 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen Desktop and AMD Ryzen 4000 G-Series CPU |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} ===== (Socket AM5 LGA1718 Zen4 Zen5 Zen6 2022/27)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asrock Steel Legend | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e rnda2 | <!--Audio-->HD audio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - ddr5 ecc (10 chip) and non-ecc (8 chips) 64Gb @ 6000Mhz or 128GB @ 4800Mhz - |- | <!--Name-->Asrock TaiChi | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->PCI-e rnda2 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio | <!--USB-->USB4 with Thunderbolt 4 equivalent | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Realtek killer E3000 2.5GbE}} | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit - ddr5 ecc (10 chip) and non-ecc (8 chips) |- | <!--Name-->Asus ROG Crosshair Hero | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe rnda2 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->rnda3 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit 7950x3d 120W, 7900 7800 7600 90W |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x670e | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->rnda3 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2022 64bit |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus B650E-I | <!--Chipset-->B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 5 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 - better sound with an actual AMP, PCIe 5, USB-C display outs - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x650 B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x650 B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x650 B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MAXSUN AMD Challenger B650M WIFI M-ATX (aka Soyo) | <!--Chipset-->B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI b650i mini itx | <!--Chipset-->B650 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->NVMe | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 4 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->2023 - front panel connectors at the back of the board - dead rear nvme slot and a drained CMOS battery as the CMOS button being pressed during shipping - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M Zen4 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->A620M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> Zen5 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> Zen6 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--ACPI--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Opinion-->2026 FP8 Zen 6 Medusa Point 4bigC, 4 econC, 2lpC, 8coreGPU - |- | <!--Name--> || <!--Chipset--> || <!--ACPI--> || <!--IDE--> || <!--SATA--> || <!--Gfx--> || <!--Audio--> || <!--USB--> || <!--Ethernet--> || <!--Opinion-->2026 FP10 Zen 6 Medusa Point 4bigC, 4 econC, 2lpC, 8coreGPU - |- |} ===== (Zen7 AM6 2027/3x)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} ===== (Zen AM 203x/3x)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} ====Intel Sockets==== [[#top|...to the top]] =====Socket 370 (2000/2)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Intel D815EEA | <!--Chipset-->866Mhz P3 and i815 chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{N/A}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Nvidia AGPx8 6200LE added}} | <!--Audio-->{{N/A}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|2 USB1.1}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{N/A}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested AspireOS 1.7, simple basic board with useful 5 PCI slots |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket 478 (2002/4)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=http://detail.zol.com.cn/motherboard/index46381.shtml&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dc.865pe.l%2Bmotherboard%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DsZB%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official Colorful Technology C.865PE-L Silver Fighter Warrior V2.3] | <!--Chipset-->865PE | <!--ACPI-->{{dunno| }} | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|tested with CDROM}} | <!--SATA-->{{dunno| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|AGP slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|ALC650 AC97}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB 1.1 and 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL 8100 8139}} | <!--Opinion-->Still testing with NB (Nightly Build) May 2013 |- | <!--Name-->Intel 845 | <!--Chipset-->865P | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{No|intel 800}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 AD1985}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|e1000}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested ICAROS 1.3 |- | <!--Name-->Intel 845 | <!--Chipset-->865GC | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{No|intel 865 Extreme Graphics 2}} | <!--Audio-->{{No|AC97 AD1985}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|USB1.1 and USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|e1000}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested ICAROS 1.3 |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA775 s775 (2005/8)===== an industry standard DDR2 module could in theory contain fallback JEDEC, intel XMP and AMD EPP configuration data Intel PC CL5 ram modules but an "AMD" CL5 ram module the BIOS cannot read the AMD EPP info on the SPD (Serial Presence Detect) but can recognize the CL5 timing info in the JEDEC data table. PC BIOS auto configures for the AMD ram module and boots normally. an AMD PC CL6 ram modules but an "INTEL" CL6 ram module the BIOS cannot read the INTEL XMP info on the SPD but can recognize the CL6 timing info in JEDEC data table. PC BIOS auto configures for the AMD ram module and boots normally. an INTEL PC needs CL6 ram modules but have an "AMD" CL4 ram module. INTEL BIOS cannot read the AMD EPP info on the SPD but can recognize the CL4 timing info in JEDEC data table. PC BIOS recognizes module timings as incompatible an refuses to boot. entirely separate issue if the RAM module timing specs are incompatible.(i.e. CL4 RAM in a "CL6 only" PC) {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Abit AG8 | <!--Chipset-->P915 + ICH6R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports SATA1 | <!--Gfx-->1 PCIe x16 Slot | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC658 AC97 | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8110S-32 | <!--Opinion-->2004 32bit - Firewire TI 4200R7T no |- | <!--Name-->MSI 915 Neo2 | <!--Chipset-->P915 + ICH6R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports SATA1 | <!--Gfx-->1 PCIe x16 Slot | <!--Audio-->CMI 9880L HD Audio | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Broadcomm BCM5751 PCIe}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VIA VT6306 no |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5GC P5GC-MX | <!--Chipset-->P945GC Lakeport-GC + ICH7R northbridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 3.0 Gbit/s ports | <!--Gfx-->1 PCIe 1.1 slot | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC662 codec | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 usb2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|atheros L2}} | <!--Opinion-->2005 32bit - 3 pci slots - 4 x 240-pin DIMM Sockets max. 4GB DDR2 667/533 non-ECC - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Foxconn PC45CM-SA 45CM-S | <!--Chipset-->945GC with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 sata2 ports | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|pcie 1.0 slot with gma950 integrated}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with aLC883 codec playback}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|realtek 8139 8100sc}} | <!--Opinion-->2 dimm slots 667mhz max 4gb - can be found in Advent desktops - 2 pci-e and 2 pci - core 2 duo only e6xxx - Micro ATX (9.6” x 8.8”) - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-81945GM MFY-RH | <!--Chipset-->Intel® 945GM Express with ICH7M-DH | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|GMA950 VGA15 and PCI-e 1.0 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio with ALC880 codec playback only rear port}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 usb 2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Intel PRO1000PL 82573L Gigabit Ethernet}} | <!--Opinion-->2006 MoDT term “Mobile on DeskTop.”, low TDP CPUs to work on desktop form-factor motherboards. mATX Micro ATX 24.4cm x 24.4cm - 2 DDR2 dimm 1.8v slots with 4Gb max - will not boot if PCI2 slot occupied - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-945 GCM S2C | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662 (1.x)}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|8101E Rtl 8169 (1.x)}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA945-GCM S2L | <!--Chipset-->945GC with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCi-E slot | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|Intel HD Audio with ALC662 codec 2/4/5.1-channel (1.x)}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8111c 8169 (1.x)}} | <!--Opinion-->2 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM 4GB DDR2 memory max - 2 PCI-e and 2 PCI - Micro ATX form factor; 24.4cm x 19.3cm - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 945P Neo-F rev 1.0 | <!--Chipset-->P945 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCie 1.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC662 HDA | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->8110SC (rtl8169) | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI 945P Neo2-F rev 1.2 | <!--Chipset-->P945 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 SATA1 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCie 1.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC850 AC97 | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->8110SC (rtl8169) | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-P31-DS3L | <!--Chipset-->P31 with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCI Express x16 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC888 codec | <!--USB-->4 USB 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111B | <!--Opinion-->DDR2 800Mhz up to 4Gb 4 x 240 pin - 3 PCI - ATX 12.0" x 8.3" - |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5KPL-AM /PS | <!--Chipset-->G31 with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->4 xSATA 3 Gbit/s ports | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 1.1 with integrated Intel® GMA 3100 | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with VIA VT1708B with ALC662 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8102EL 100/10 LAN with Realtek RTL8111C Gigabit LAN | <!--Opinion-->2 x 2 GB DDR2 Non-ECC,Un-buffered DIMMs with 2 PCI - Intel Graphics Media Accelerator - |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5KPL/EPU | <!--Chipset-->G31 with ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Pci-e 1.0 slot | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD audio with ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8169 Realtek 8111C}} | <!--Opinion-->Tested - 4 240-pin DIMM, Max. 4 GB - 4 pci-e and 3 pci - ATX Form Factor 12 inch x 8.2 inch ( 30.5 cm x 20.8 cm ) - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G31M ES2L | <!--Chipset-->G31 plus ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{Yes|Intel GMA 3100 2d}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|ALC883 (1.x), ALC883/888B (2.x)}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Maybe|RTL8111C (1.x), Atheros 8131 (2.x)}} | <!--Opinion-->reduces DRAM capacity to 4GB |- | <!--Name-->ASRock G31M-S r1.0 G31M-GS | <!--Chipset-->G31 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|4 sata2}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA 3100 2d not 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{partial|rtl8169 RTL8111DL 8169 (for -GS) RTL8102EL (for -S)}} | <!--Opinion-->2007 64bit Core2 - 2 DDR2 800 max 8Gig AMI bios MicroATX - |- | <!--Name-->ASRock G31M-S r2.0 | <!--Chipset-->G31 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|4 sata2}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA 3100 2d not 3d}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL 8111DL 8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit core2 - 2 DDR2 800 max 8Gig MicroATX |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.intel.com/cd/channel/reseller/apac/eng/products/desktop/bdb/dg31pr/feature/index.htm Intel DG31PR] | <!--Chipset-->iG31 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|3100 but can use PCIe 1.1 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888 playback}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8111B Rtl 8169}} | <!--Opinion-->good support |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Intel G33 Express Chipset with ich9 southbridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->Intel 3100 powervr tile based | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2008 64bit - embedded on Core 2 Quad, Core 2 Duo, Pentium Dual-Core CPUS with Integrated GPU Intel GMA 3100 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->ASUS P5G41T-M LX | <!--Chipset-->G41 + ICH8 + DDR3 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|X4500 some 2d only)}} | <!--Audio-->ALC887 | <!--USB-->3 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Atheros L1c AR8131}} | <!--Opinion-->reduces maximum supported memory ddr3 from 16 to 8GB 2 dimm slots non-EEC - demotes the PCIe controller mode from revision 2.0 (5.0GT/s) to revision 1.1 (2.5GT/s |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G41MT S2 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->VT1708S (1.3), ALC887-VD2 (1.4), ALC887 (2.1), | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Atheros AR8151 l1c (1.x 2.x), | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G41MT S2PT | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC887 (1.0), VIA (2.0), ALC887 (2.1) | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8111E (1.x), Atheros AR8151 l1c (2.1), | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-G41MT D3 | <!--Chipset-->G41 + ICH7 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 Port | <!--SATA-->4 Ports | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|GMA X4500 2d only and pci-e 1.1 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC888B}} | <!--USB-->4 ports + headers | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8111 D/E}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-P41T D3P | <!--Chipset-->G41 + ICH7 with Intel Core 2 Duo (E6xxx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4ports | <!--Gfx-->GMA X4500 2d | <!--Audio-->ALC888 889/892 | <!--USB-->4 ports | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8111C or D/E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Intel DG41AN Classic | <!--Chipset-->iG41 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx-->X4500 2d | <!--Audio-->ALC888S ALC888VC | <!--USB-->4 ports | <!--Ethernet-->8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->AsRock P5B-DE | <!--Chipset-->P965 + ICH8 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{Maybe|works ide legacy}} |<!--Gfx-->{{Yes|with PCI-E 1.1 slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio via VT1708S}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2006 works well |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5B SE | <!--Chipset-->965 intel | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{N/A}} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|HD Audio ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{No| }} | <!--Opinion-->works well except ethernet |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5W DH Deluxe P5WDG2 WS PRO | <!--Chipset-->975X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->2 ports | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe x16 slots | <!--Audio-->ALC882 AND LATER ADI 1988B | <!--USB-->2 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Marvell 88E8052 88E8053}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TI TSB43AB22A no |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Abit IP35 | <!--Chipset-->P35 Express + ICH9R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 ports | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC888 HDA | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->two RTL8110SC | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Texas TSB43 AB22A no |- | <!--Name-->MSI P35 Neo F FL MS-7630 rev 1 | <!--Chipset-->Intel P35 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 1.1 support | <!--Audio-->HD Audio ALC888 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek | <!--Opinion-->Base model of this range of P35 mobos |- | <!--Name-->GA-P35-DS3 | <!--Chipset-->P35 and ICH9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with Realtek ALC889A codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek 8111B | <!--Opinion-->2008 - 4 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets max 8 GB - |- | <!--Name-->GA-EP35-DS3 (rev. 2.1) | <!--Chipset-->Intel® P35 + ICH9 Chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{unk|}} | <!--SATA-->{{unk|4 }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{unk|Realtek ALC889A codec }} | <!--USB-->{{yes | }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8111B}} | <!--Opinion-->good |- | <!--Name-->Abit IX38 Quad GT | <!--Chipset-->X38 / ICH9R Chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCI-E 2.0 slot | <!--Audio--> HD Audio ALC888 | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL 8110SC 8169SC | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Texas TSB 43AB22A no |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte X38-DQ6 | <!--Chipset-->X38 / ICH9R Chipset | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 ports | <!--Gfx-->PCI-E 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC889A HDA | <!--USB-->4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->twin 8111B 8169 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-EP45 DS3 (2008) | <!--Chipset-->P45 + ICH9 or ICH10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 x SATA 3Gbit/s (SATAII0, SATAII1, SATAII2, SATAII3, SATAII4, SATAII5) | <!--Gfx-->two PCI-E v2.0 x16 slots support splitting its 16 PCIe 2.0 lanes across two cards at x8 transfers | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC888 or ALC889A codec | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->2 x Realtek 8111C chips (10/100 /1000 Mbit) | <!--Opinion-->4 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets non-EEC |- | <!--Name-->MSI P45 Platinum (2008) | <!--Chipset-->P45 + ICH9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 sata2 ports | <!--Gfx-->two PCI-E x16 v2.0 slots | <!--Audio-->ALC888 HD Audio | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->G45 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->adds Intel’s GMA X4500HD graphics engine to P45 Express features | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->G43 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->GMA X4500 2d | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->removes HD video acceleration from the G45’s features |- | <!--Name-->Asus P5E Deluxe | <!--Chipset--> X48 with ICH9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ADI 1988B codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Marvell 88E8001 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->GigaByte GA-X48 DQ6 | <!--Chipset-->X48 plus ICH9R | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->8 ports | <!--Gfx-->two PCI-E x16 v2.0 slots | <!--Audio-->ALC889A | <!--USB-->8 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->RTL 8111B 8169 | <!--Opinion-->Firewire TSB43AB23 no - ICH9 pairs with Intel’s 3-series (X38, P35, etc.) chipsets, in addition to the X48 Express, but excluding the G35 Express |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte EP43-DS3L and Gigabyte GA-EP43-UD3L | <!--Chipset-->P43 with ICH10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->1 port | <!--SATA-->6 x SATA 3Gbit/s connectors | <!--Gfx-->1 x PCI Express x16 slot PCI Express 2.0 standard | <!--Audio-->HD Audio with ALC888 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8111C | <!--Opinion-->4 x 1.8V DDR2 DIMM sockets - 4 pcie x1 - 2 pci - ATX Form Factor; 30.5cm x 21.0cm |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte 73-pvm-s2h rev.1.0 | <!--Chipset-->NVIDIA GeForce 7100 nForce 630i | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{Yes|1 port}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|3 ports SATA2}} | <!--Gfx-->{{Maybe|Vesa 2d GeForce 7100 (vga /hdmi/dvi), 1 PCIe x16 Slot }} | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|Realtek ALC889A MCP73}} | <!--USB-->{{Yes|7 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL 8211B MCP73}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire Not, tested with Icaros Desktop 2.0.3 MCP73 is a single chip solution in three different versions |- | <!--Name-->Nvidia 7150 630i | <!--Chipset-->intel based nForce 630i (MCP73) | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|ide legacy}} | <!--GFX-->GF 7150 | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD AUDIO ALC883}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|ohci echi}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|RTL8201C}} | <!--Opinion-->being tested |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2.0 x16 | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> the MCP73PV or the GeForce 7050/nForce 630i |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->the MCP73S or the GeForce7025/nForce 630i |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->the MCP73V or the GeForce 7025/nForce 610i |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Atom SOC (2008/2x)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->D945CLF | <!--Chipset-->N230 single core | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|GMA945}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC662}} Skt 441 | <!--USB-->{{yes|uhci and ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion-->works very well |- | <!--Name-->[http://www.clusteruk.com iMica D945GCKF2 mobo] | <!--Chipset-->Intel Atom N330 Dual Core | <!--ACPI-->wip | <!--IDE-->{{yes|IDE}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|gma}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD AUDIO}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|uhci ehci}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->D945GSEJT + Morex T1610 | <!--Chipset-->Atom 230 with 945GSE | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|GMA900 vga but issues with DVI output}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio with ALC662 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169 8111DL}} | <!--Opinion-->small size, runs off 12V |- | <!--Name-->ASUS AT3N7A-I | <!--Chipset-->Atom N330 Nvidia ION | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|3 ports legacy IDE}} | <!--Gfx-->{{yes|nouveau cube cube 2 45 quake 3 }} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio with VIA 1708S codec playback}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8169 device}} | <!--Opinion--><ref>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAiJpvu73iw</ref> good but can freeze randomly at times |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->D410PT 45nm pinetrail | <!--Chipset-->D410 and NM10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{maybe|ide legacy}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|GMA3150}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|ALC262 or ALC66x odd clicks}} | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|RTL8111DL}} | <!--Opinion-->some support |- | <!--Name-->45nm pinetrail | <!--Chipset-->D510 and NM10 + GMA3150 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->GMA3150 | <!--Audio-->ALC888B or ALC66x | <!--USB-->{{yes}} | <!--Ethernet-->RTL8111DL | <!--Opinion-->some support |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-D525TUD (rev. 1.0 1.2 1.5) | <!--Chipset-->D525 NM10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->gma 3150 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC887 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111f | <!--Opinion-->2012 64 - 2 ddr3 dimm slots max 8g - Mini-ITX Form Factor; 17.0cm x 17.0cm - |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- |} =====Socket 1366 (2009/10)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P6T DELUXE | <!--Chipset-->x58 + ICH10 and Intel 1st gen. (Nehalem/Lynnfield) Core i7 (8xx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes|1 port}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx-->2 PCIe x16 (r2.0) slots | <!--Audio-->ADI AD2000B HD Audio | <!--USB-->{{yes|4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Marvell 88E8056 Gigabit}} | <!--Opinion-->Firewire VIA VT6308 no |- | <!--Name-->gigabyte ex58 ds | <!--Chipset--> x58 + ICH10 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8111D rtl8169 | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket 1156 (2010)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Acer Aspire M3910 | <!--Chipset-->i3 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{unk| }} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA intel HD}} | <!--Audio-->{{unk|HDAudio with Realtek ALC}} | <!--USB-->{{yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk| Realtek}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H55M-S2H | <!--Chipset-->H55 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->PCIe slot | <!--Audio-->{{Yes|ALCxxx playback}} ALC888B (Rev1.x) | <!--USB-->{{Yes| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|RTL8111D}} (Rev 1.x) | <!--Opinion-->Tested but no support for WLAN Realtek 8188su |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI H55M-E33 v1.0 | <!--Chipset-->E7636 M7636 H55 chipset so older i3/i5/i7 system | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HD Audio ALC889}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|PCI-E Realtek 8111DL}} | <!--Opinion-->Works well |- | <!--Name-->Asus P7P55D | <!--Chipset-->P55 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{unk| }} | <!--SATA-->{{unk| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{maybe | via codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe |rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111B/C RTL8112L }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1155 H2 (2010/13)===== {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS P8H61-I LX R2.0 | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->1 pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 8111f | <!--Opinion-->2013 - up to ivybridge cpus - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Asus P8H61-I/RM/SI mini-itx | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2012 64 up to i3-2010 - OEM board from an RM machine but not ivybridge as the Asus BIOS isn't compatible with these, 0909 hacked one might work - |- | <!--Name-->asus p8h61-i lx r2.0/rm/si mini itx | <!--Chipset-->h61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2.0 | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with VIA codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111e | <!--Opinion-->2012 sandy and ivy - oem from rm machine 2 x 240-Pin DDR3 DIMM sockets max DDR3 1333MHz - |- | <!--Name-->‎Bewinner 63q9c7omvs V301 ITX | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata with nvme | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 4 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek 8106E 100M Network Card | <!--Opinion-->2022 64 |- | <!--Name-->Biostar H61 H61MHV2 H61MHV3 Ver. 7.0 | <!--Chipset-->H61 with Intel Pentium G 2xxx series CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Realtek ALC662 later ALC897 | <!--USB-->4 usb2 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 Realtek RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->2014 - 2 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H61M-D2-B3 | <!--Chipset-->H61 + Sandybridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->ALC889 | <!--USB-->2 ports | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H61MA-D3V | <!--Chipset-->H61 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Maybe No Realtek ALC887 (Rev 2.0) ALC887 (Rev2.1) | <!--USB-->2 ports | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek RTL8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->GA-H61M-S2PV | <!--Chipset-->H61 with 2400k 2500k 2600k 2700k | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 2.0 slot | <!--Audio-->ALC887 (rev 1.0 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3) | <!--USB-->4 USB 2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Rtl811E (1.0) 8151 (2.0) Rtl8111F (2.1 2.2 2.3) | <!--Opinion-->Micro ATX Form Factor; 24.4cm x 20cm with 2 pci-e and 2 pci - |- | <!--Name-->Intel Classic Series DH61CR Desktop | <!--Chipset-->H61 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 ports | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC892 | <!--USB-->4 ports | <!--Ethernet-->{{no|Intel 82579V}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI H61M-P20 (G3) MS-7788 *retail MSI board *OEM Advent, etc | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|four SATAII ports}} | <!--Gfx-->1 PCI Express gen3 (retail) gen2 (oem) x16 slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|Realtek 8105E 100M Network Card}} | <!--Opinion-->2012 64bit - 2 ddr3 slots - 22.6cm(L) x 17.3cm(W) M-ATX Form Factor - BIOS - [https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1149&rowstart=140&pid=6009#post_6007 works well], |- | <!--Name-->MSI H61I-E35 (B3) MS-7677 Ver.1.2 | <!--Chipset-->H61 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|VESA 2d for hdmi}} | <!--Audio-->{{yes|https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1149&rowstart=140&pid=5861#post_5861 works}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P8H67-M | <!--Chipset-->H67 + | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata3 - 4 sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC887 | <!--USB-->6 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus P8Z68-V LX | <!--Chipset-->Z68 + Intel 2nd generation (Sandy Bridge) Core i7 (2xxx) CPU and possibly ivybridgev | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|2 sata3 - 4 sata2}} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->{{yes|HDAudio Intel HD with ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{yes|2 USB3.0 - 4 USB2.0}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek® 8111E}} | <!--Opinion-->2011 64bit SSE 4.1 and AVX - EFI bios - 4 ddr3 dimm slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte Z68AP-D3 (B3) | <!--Chipset-->Z68 + Ivybridge | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata3 - 4 sata2 | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC889 | <!--USB-->2 USB3.0 - 4 USB2.0 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® 8111E | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus B75M-A | <!--Chipset-->B75 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio with Realtek ® ALC887-VD codec}} | <!--USB-->{{maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek ® 8111F-VB-CG }} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit - 2 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->H77 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H77-D3H 1.0 1.1 | <!--Chipset-->H77 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata 3.0 | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio VIA VT2021 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros GbE LAN chip}} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit i5 3550 7 3770 - 4 DDR3 slots - 2 full pci-e 2 pci slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA Z77 D3H with i3 3225 dual | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{No|HDAudio VIA VT2021 codec}} | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->{{No|Atheros GbE LAN chip}} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1150 H3 (2013/2016)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->[https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/asus-b85m-e-rev-1-02 Asus B85M-E] | <!--Chipset-->B85 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{yes| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{maybe|HDAudio with Realtek ® ALC887-VD2 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{no| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 Realtek 8111F}} | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit - 4 ddr3 slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H87N-WIFI mITX | <!--Chipset-->H87 and Intel 4th generation (Haswell) Core i5 (4xxx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Intel Atheros | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus H81M-C H81M-P-SI | <!--Chipset-->H81 with 4th generation (Haswell) Core i7 (4xxx) CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2x3g 2x6g | <!--Gfx-->pci-e slot | <!--Audio-->hdaudio alc887 vd | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->realtek 8111gr | <!--Opinion-->2013 skt 1150 - 2 ddr3 max 16g - mini atx - |- | <!--Name-->Asus H81T | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->HD4000 igpu only | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC887-VD | <!--USB-->Intel USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 realtek 8111G | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit intel 4th gen mini itx - external dc brick with 19v rare barrel pin 7.4MM x 5.0MM - 2 ddr3 laptop sodimm slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H81M-S2V | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A|}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio ALC887 | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® GbE LAN chip | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit up to i7 4790K - 2 DDR3 slots - |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H81M-D3V (rev. 1.0) | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A| }} | <!--SATA-->{{yes|2 sata2 2 sata3 }} | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->{{unk| HDAudio Realtek® ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{unk|intel and VIA® VL805}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{unk|rtl8169 Realtek }} | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI H81M-E34 (MS-7817) | <!--Chipset-->H81 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->{{yes| }} | <!--Gfx-->PCIe 2.0 x16 | <!--Audio-->HDAudio with ALC887 codec | <!--USB-->USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->{{yes|rtl8169 RTL8111G}} | <!--Opinion-->2013 64bit - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Z87-K | <!--Chipset-->Z87 with 4th generation (Haswell) Core i7 4c8t i5 4c4t CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek lan | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H | <!--Chipset-->Z87 Express | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with Realtek® ALC898 codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA H97M D3H r1.0 r1.1 with i3 4360 or 4370 dual | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC892 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek lan | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Z97 A with i7 4790K | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx-->750, 960, 970 and 980 nvidia GTX cards | <!--Audio-->Intel HD with ALC | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel lan ethernet | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA Z97X UD3H rev1.0 1.1 1.2 | <!--Chipset-->Z97 with i5 4690K | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC1150 | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel lan | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI GAMING 5 Z97 | <!--Chipset-->Z97 with 4th generation (Haswell) Core i7 4c8t CPU | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->ASUS Q87M-E | <!--Chipset-->Q87 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2014 64bit - 4 DDR3 slots - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->H99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA2011V2 s2011-2 (2012/15)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x79 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2013 Xeon e5-???? W TDP, e5-2667V2 W TDP, e5-????V2 W TDP, Sandybridge and Ivybridge V2 |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset-->X79 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA2011V3 s2011-3 (2015/18)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->x99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2016 Xeon e5-1620v3 130W TDP, e5-1650V3 (i7-5930K) 140W TDP, e5-2640V3 90W TDP, Haswell-EP |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset-->X99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->most cheap Ryzens are better nowadays |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Huananzhi X99-CD4 | <!--Chipset-->Intel C612 and X99 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata 3 connectors and 1 m.2 nvme slot | <!--Gfx-->pcie slot | <!--Audio-->HDaudio with ALC897 codec | <!--USB-->{{No|USB3}} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|rtl8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2024 quality might not be great outside of a simple setup - 2 ddr4 dimms - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Keyiyou X99 XD4 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Machinist MR9A Pro | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 |- | <!--Name-->Machinist MR9A Pro | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 |- | <!--Name-->Mogul | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Qiyida X99 H9S | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 |- | <!--Name-->Soyo | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1151 Socket H4 (2015/2018)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->Skylake CPUs have TPM 2.0 imbedded |- | <!--Name-->Asus H110 Plus H110M-A/DP | <!--Chipset--> with 6th Gen Core and 7th with bios update | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA-->Sunrise Point-H SATA [AHCI mode] [8086 a102] | <!--Gfx-->{{No|Skylake Integrated HD Graphics use PIC-E slot}} | <!--Audio-->Intel HD Audio with Realtek ALC887 Audio CODEC | <!--USB-->Sunrise Point-H USB 3.0 xHCI [8086: a12f] no usb2.0 fallback | <!--Ethernet-->{{Yes|Realtek 8111GR or 8111H RTL8111 8168 8411}} | <!--Opinion-->ATX with 3 pci-e and 2 DDR4 slots - uatx version smaller - turn off TLSF as it was causing AHI driver to corrupt. Turned off ACPI for errors but works fine once booted - |- | <!--Name-->ASUS H110M-R M-ATX | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 x SATA 6Gb/s | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio Realtek® ALC887 codec | <!--USB-->Intel USB3 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® RTL8111H | <!--Opinion-->2016 64bit 6th Gen Skylake Core™ i7/Core™ 6950X i7-6970HQ i7-6700K 4c8t hyperthreading, i5/Core™ i5-6600K 4c4t i3/Pentium® / Celeron® - 2 DDR4 DIMMS Max 32GB 2133MHz - 1 full pci-e and 2 pci-e 1 - |- | <!--Name-->Asus H110T | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->2 sata | <!--Gfx-->intel igpu only | <!--Audio-->HDaudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->Dual Intel/Realtek GbE languard | <!--Opinion-->2016 - mini itx 12v / 19v laptop type rare barrel pin 7.4MM x 5.0MM - 2 sodimm ddr4 slots - no pci-e slot - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte GA-H110M-S2H MATX Rev1.0 | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 | <!--Audio-->Realtek® ALC887 codec | <!--USB-->2 (USB 3.1 Gen 1) ports with 4 us2 | <!--Ethernet-->Realtek® GbE LAN | <!--Opinion--> 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte ga-h110n | <!--Chipset-->H110 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->{{Yes| sata}} | <!--Gfx-->{{maybe|Vesa 2d for Intel or PCI-e slot}} | <!--Audio-->{{Maybe|HDaudio for ALC887 codec}} | <!--USB-->{{Maybe| }} | <!--Ethernet-->{{maybe|RTL8169}} | <!--Opinion-->2016 mini-itx 6th gen |- | <!--Name-->Msi H110M-PRO-VH | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 x SATA 6Gb/s | <!--Gfx-->pci-e 3.0 | <!--Audio--> Realtek® ALC887 Codec | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->rtl8169 rtl8111h | <!--Opinion--> 6th gen intel - 2 ddr4 slots |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus H170 Pro Gaming | <!--Chipset-->H170 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sata | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB-->Asmedia USB3.1/3.0 | <!--Ethernet-->intel lan | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->MSI Z170A TOMAHAWK | <!--Chipset-->Z170 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE-->{{N/A}} | <!--SATA-->4 sara, 1 x 2280 Key M(PCIe Gen3 x4/SATA), 1 x 2230 Key E(Wi-Fi) | <!--Gfx-->pci-e | <!--Audio-->HDAudio | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet-->intel lan | <!--Opinion-->2016 64bit up to i7 7700k - 2 DDR4 - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->GIGABYTE GA-B250M-DS3H HD3P D3H D2V | <!--Chipset-->B250 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2018 coffee lake intel 8th gen |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> with Kaby Lake X Intel 7th Gen | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> up to 16 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> Z390 with Kaby Lake X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> up to 16 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> Q370M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> H370M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> B360M | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Asus Rampage | <!--Chipset-->x299 with i9 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> - up to 24 to 44 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name-->Gigabyte | <!--Chipset--X299 > | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket LGA 1200 (2020/2022)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->MSI H510M-A PRO (MS-7D22) | <!--Chipset--> with 10th gen Comet Lake X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2021 64bit - up to 16 pcie lanes rebar possible |- | <!--Name-->Asus PRIME H410M-E Asrock H470M-HDV/M.2 | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> with 11th gen Rocket Lake X | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> up to 16 pcie lanes |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} =====Socket LGA 1700 (2023/ )===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Alder Lake / 14th gen Raptor Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2021 2022 64bit - QoS work to 2 level cpus, P down to E cores - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Meteor Lake ultra 5 7 1xxH series 1 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2023 2024 64bit 10nm - 3 level cpus, Low Power Island (SOC tile) to E onto P cores - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> 15th gen Arrow Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Lunar lake ultra 5 7 2xxV series 2 | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2025 64bit 7nm - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Nova Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2026 64bit - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Panther Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2026 64bit - either 44, 484, or 448 tiled cores 18A process - core ultra x9 288h, x7 358H, - |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- |} =====Socket LGA 1954 (2027/ )===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Nova Lake-S | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset-->Serpent Lake, Titan Lake, and Razer Lake | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion-->2027 |- |} =====Socket LGA (203x/203x)===== [[#top|...to the top]] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Name ! width="5%" |Chipset ! width="5%" |ACPI ! width="5%" |IDE ! width="5%" |SATA ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |USB ! width="10%" |Ethernet ! width="30%" |Opinion |- | <!--Name-->MSI | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Name || Chipset || ACPI || IDE || SATA || Gfx || Audio || USB || Ethernet || Opinion |- | <!--Name-->Asus | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |- | <!--Name--> | <!--Chipset--> | <!--ACPI--> | <!--IDE--> | <!--SATA--> | <!--Gfx--> | <!--Audio--> | <!--USB--> | <!--Ethernet--> | <!--Opinion--> |} ===Chromebooks=== For most (EOL) cromebooks, the recommended UEFI path forward is to: *put the device into Developer Mode *disable firmware write protection *flash MrChromebox's UEFI Full ROM firmware *install ChromeOS Flex, Linux, etc See [https://mrchromebox.tech/#home MrChrome], [https://mrchromebox.tech MrChrome] and the [https://www.reddit.com/r/chrultrabook/ chrultrabook subreddit] for more info ChromeOS has several different boot modes, which are important to understand in the context of modifying your device to run an alternate OS: *Normal/Verified Boot Mode Can only boot Google-signed ChromeOS images Full verification of firmware and OS kernel No root access to the system, no ability to run Linux or boot other OSes Automatically enters Recovery Mode if any step of Verified Boot fails Default / out-of-the-box setting for all ChromeOS devices *Recovery Mode User presented with Recovery Mode boot screen (white screen with 'ChromeOS is missing or damaged') Boots only USB/SD with signed Google recovery image Automatically entered when Verified Boot Mode fails Can be manually invoked: On Chromebooks, via keystroke: [ESC+Refresh+Power] On Chromeboxes, by pressing a physical recovery button at power-on On Convertibles/Tablets, by holding the Power, Vol+, and Vol- buttons for 10s and then release Allows for transition from Verified Boot Mode to Developer Mode On Chromebooks/Chromeboxes, via keystroke: [CTRL+D] On Convertibles/Tablets, via button press: Vol+/Vol- simultaneously Booting recovery media on USB/SD will repartition/reformat internal storage and reload ChromeOS Note: The ChromeOS recovery process does not reset the firmware boot flags (GBB Flags), so if those are changed from the default, they will still need to be reset for factory default post-recovery. *Developer Mode "Jailbreak" mode built-in to every ChromeOS device Loosened security restrictions, allows root/shell access, ability to run Linux via crouton Verified Boot (signature checking) disabled by default, but can be re-enabled Enabled via [CTRL+D] on the Recovery Mode boot screen Boots to the developer mode boot screen (white screen with 'OS verification is off' text), The user can select via keystroke <pre> ChromeOS (in developer mode) on internal storage ( [CTRL+D] ) ChromeOS/ChromiumOS on USB ( [CTRL+U] ) Legacy Boot Mode ( [CTRL+L] ) </pre> Boot screen displays the ChromeOS device/board name in the hardware ID string (eg, PANTHER F5U-C92, which is useful to know in the context of device recovery, firmware support, or in determining what steps are required to install a given alternate OS on the device. *Legacy Boot Mode Unsupported method for booting alternate OSes (Linux, Windows) via the SeaBIOS RW_LEGACY firmware Accessed via [CTRL+L] on the developer mode boot screen Requires explicit enabling in Developer Mode via command line: sudo crossystem dev_boot_legacy=1 Most ChromeOS devices require a RW_LEGACY firmware update first Boots to the (black) SeaBIOS splash screen; if multiple boot devices are available, prompt shows the boot menu Note: If you hear two beeps after pressing [CTRL+L], then either your device doesn't have a valid Legacy Boot Mode / RW_LEGACY firmware installed, or legacy boot capability has not been been enabled via crossystem. https://www.howtogeek.com/278953/how-to-install-windows-on-a-chromebook/ Chromebooks don’t officially support other OSs. You normally can’t even install as Chromebooks ship with a special type of BIOS designed for Chrome OS. But there are ways to install, if you’re willing to get your hands dirty and potentially ruin everything [https://mrchromebox.tech/#devices Firmware Compatibility] [https://wiki.galliumos.org/Hardware_Compatibility Here is the list of hardware that the GalliumOS supports and information on getting Gallium OS on to those devices] Development on GalliumOS has been discontinued, and for most users, GalliumOS is not the best option for running Linux due to lack of hardware support or a kernel that's out of date and lacking important security fixes. Meet Eupnea and Depthboot, the successors to Galliumos and Breath [https://eupnea-linux.github.io This is the bleeding edge] Most older Chromebooks need the write-protect screw removed in order to install MrChromebox's firmware that allows you to install other operating systems. Most newer Chromebooks don't work in the same way as there is no write-protect screw on them. Very rough guide to '''total''' (i.e. all cores / threads) processor performance (AROS usually uses only the [https://gmplib.org/gmpbench one core]) [[#top|...to the top]] <pre> 060000 AMD Ryzen 9 7900X (AM5 170W), 056000 AMD Ryzen 9 5950X, 055000 AMD Ryzen 9 5900X3D, 053000 AMD Ryzen 9 5900X (AM4 105W), AMD Ryzen 9 3950X (105W), 044000 AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D, 042000 AMD Ryzen 9 6900HX, AMD Ryzen 5 5600X3D (AM4 95W), AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 5750GE (AM4 35W), 039000 AMD Ryzen 9 5900HS, Intel Core i7-12700T, AMD Ryzen 7 7735HS (8c16t 45W), AMD 8840U, 038000 AMD Ryzen 7 5800H (FP6 45W), AMD Ryzen 7 6800U, Intel Core i5-12490F, Intel Core i5-12500E, 037000 AMD Ryzen 7 5800HS (FP6 35W), AMD Ryzen 5 8500G 8600GE (AM5 6c12t 35W), AMD Ryzen Z2 (8c16t), 036500 AMD Ryzen 7 5700G (AM4 8c16t 65W), AMD Ryzen 9 6900HS, Intel Core i7-12800H, 036200 AMD Ryzen 7 5700GE (AM4 8c16t 35W), AMD Ryzen Z1 Extreme (top TDP), AMD Ryzen 5 8600G (AM5 65W), 036000 AMD Ryzen 5 3600X (Am4 95W), AMD Ryzen 5 5500 (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 5600 (65W), 035000 AMD Ryzen 5 6600H, Intel Core i5-12400F, 031000 AMD Ryzen™ 9 8945HS, Ryzen™ 7 8845HS, AMD Ryzen 7 7840U, 030000 AMD Ryzen 7 4800U, AMD Ryzen 4800H, Intel Core i5-11400F, Intel Zeon E5-2697A V4, 029500 AMD Ryzen 5 4500 (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 3600 (65W), Apple M3 Pro 12c, 029000 AMD Ryzen 5 4600G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 4650GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 1700X (AM4 95W), 028500 AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5675U, AMD Ryzen 7 1700 (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 7 2700 (65W), Ryzen 3 7540U, 028000 AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5650U, 5 5560U (FP6 25W 6c12t Zen3), Intel Core i5-13500H, AMD Ryzen 7 4800HS, 027700 AMD Ryzen 9 PRO 7940HS (FP8 65W), AMD 8745HS, AMD Ryzen H255 AI, AMD Ryzen 3 7545U, 027500 AMD Ryzen 3 7736U, AMD Ryzen 5 7640U, 027400 AMD Ryzen 5 8540U, AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 5650GE (AM4 6c12t 35W), AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 4650G (AM4 45W), 027300 AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 4750GE, AMD Ryzen 5 5600H, AMD Ryzen 7 5825U (FP6 8c16t 15W), 027200 AMD Ryzen 5 6600U, AMD Ryzen 7 2700X, AMD Ryzen 5 5600GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen Z1, 027100 AMD Ryzen 7 7730U (FP6 15W 8c16t), AMD Ryzen 7 5800U (FP6 25W 8c16t), Ryzen 9 4900H, 027000 AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 4750U (8c16t), Ryzen 5 7430U (FP6 6c12t), Ryzen 5 PRO 6650U, Intel 10500H, 026500 AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 7840HS (FP7 65W), AMD Ryzen 7 8840HS, AMD Ryzen Z2 Extreme, 025000 AMD Ryzen 5 5600U (FP6 25W hot 6c12t Zen3), AMD Ryzen 5 2600 (65W), Ryzen 5 7530U, 024500 AMD Ryzen 5 4600HS (FP6 35W 6c12t), Apple M1 Pro, AMD Ryzen 5 5625U (FP6 15W 6c12t), 023700 AMD Ryzen 3 PRO 5350GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen 5 3500X (AM4 95W), Intel Core i7-9700, 023500 AMD Ryzen 5 1600X (95W), AMD Ryzen 3 5300GE (AM4 4c8t 35W), AMD Ryzen 7 5700U (FP6 25W 8c16t Zen2), 023200 AMD Ryzen 3 7330U (FP6 15W 4c8t), AMD Ryzen 7 4700U (FP6 25W 8c8t), AMD Ryzen 5 4400G, 023000 Intel Core i7-1255U, Intel Core i7 13700H, Ryzen 7640HS, 022000 AMD Ryzen Z2 Go (4c8t), AMD Ryzen 5 5500U (FP6 25W 6c12t Zen2), Snapdragon 8 Elite, 020500 AMD Ryzen 3 4300G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 3 5450U 5425U, AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 4650U (6c12t), 019500 Intel Core i5-1135G7, AMD Ryzen 5 5500H, AMD Ryzen 5 4600U (FP6 25W 6c), AMD Ryzen 5 2600 (65W), 019250 Intel Core i5-1145G7, 019000 AMD Ryzen 5 3400G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 2500X, AMD Ryzen 5 7520U, AMD Ryzen V3C18I (? 15W), 017750 AMD Ryzen 5 3400GE (AM4 35W), Intel Core i5-8400, AMD Ryzen 5 1500X (AM4 65W), Xbox One Series X, 017500 Intel Core i7-6700K, Intel i5-10400, AMD Ryzen 5 4500U (FP6 25W 6c6t), AMD Ryzen 3 5400U, 017000 AMD Ryzen 3 PRO 4350GE (AM4 35W), AMD Ryzen 3 5300U (FP6 25W 4c8t), Intel Core i5-11300H, 016500 AMD Ryzen 7 3750H, AMD Ryzen Embedded V1756B (FP5 45W), AMD Ryzen 3 PRO 4200GE, SD G3 Gen3, 016250 Intel Core i5-1035G7, intel core i5 7600 (4c4t 65W), 016000 AMD Ryzen 5 2400G (AM4 65W), AMD Ryzen 5 3550H, Ryzen 5 PRO 3350GE (4c 8t), Intel Core i5-8500T, 015000 AMD Ryzen 3 7320U, Ryzen 7 3700U, Ryzen 3200G (AM4 65W), Intel Core i7-8550U, Intel Core i5-1035G1, 014000 AMD Ryzen 5 2400GE (AM4 35W), Intel Core i7-6700T, AMD Ryzen 5 3550U, 013500 AMD Ryzen 5 3500U (FP5 15W 4c8t), AMD Ryzen 3 4300U, AMD Athlon Gold 4150GE, AMD Ryzen 5 3450U, 013250 AMD Ryzen 3 3200GE (AM4 45W), AMD Ryzen 3 1300X (65W), AMD Ryzen 3 2200G, Xbox One Series S, 013000 AMD Ryzen Embedded V1605B (FP5 25W), AMD Ryzen 2700U, AMD Ryzen R2514, 012500 AMD Ryzen 5 2500U (FP5 25W 4c8t), Intel Core i3-8300T, Intel Xeon X5680, Intel i3-1115G4 (2c4t), 012300 Intel Core i7-8565U, Intel Core i5-8350U, Intel Core i7-8700, Allwinner A733 (2 A76, 6 A55), 012200 ARM Cortex-X3 Prime Snapdragon SD8G2 Gen2 4nm 64-bit Kryo CPU, i5-8250U (4c8t), 012000 AMD Ryzen 3 2200GE, AMD Ryzen 3 1200 (65W), AMD Ryzen 5 3500C, 011500 AMD Ryzen 3 3300U, Intel Core i3-8100T, Intel Core i5-8265U, Intel i5-10210U, CORE i5-10310U, 010500 AMD Ryzen 3 2300U (FP5 25W 4c4t), Allwinner A527 (8 A55), 010300 Intel Core i7-3630QM, Intel Core i5-6600T, Intel Core i5-4670K, 010200 Intel Core i5-6440HQ, Intel Core i7-3610QM, Snapdragon SD865, 010000 AMD FX-8320E (AM3+ 125W 8c8t), Intel Core i5-7500T, Intel Core i5-4690, 009000 Spectrum Unisoc Tiger T7280 (T620), Cortex-X2, MediaTek Dimensity 1300 (4 A78, 4 A55), 008700 AMD FX-6130 (AM3+ 90W 6c6t), Intel Core i5-7400T, Intel Core i5-4590T, 008500 Intel Core i5-6500T, AMD Athlon 300GE (AM4, 35W), AMD Athlon Gold 7220U, 008000 AMD Ryzen R1606G (FP5 15W), AMD FX-6300 (AM3 65W 6c6t), Intel Core i5-2500K, 007500 AMD Ryzen 3 3200U, AMD Ryzen 3 3250U, Intel Alderlake ULX N100 / N95, 007200 AMD Ryzen 3 2200U (FP5 25W 2c4t), Intel Core i3-7100T, Intel Twinlakes N150 N200, Xbox(TM) One S, 007100 AMD Ryzen R1505G (FP5, 15W), RK3576 4 A72, 4 A53, Snapdragon XR2 Gen 1, 006600 Qualcomm Snapdragon 888 5G, AMD Athlon 300U (FP5 2c4t 15W), Intel i7-7600U, AMD V1202B, 006500 Intel Core i7-6500U, AMD Athlon Gold 3150U, Intel Celeron N5105 (FCBGA1338 15W), SD 685, 006300 Intel Core i3-8130U (15W), Intel Celeron N5095 (FCBGA1338 15W), Intel Core i3-6100T, 006100 Intel Core i5-6300U, Intel Core i5-7200U (2c4t), Intel i7-5500U, Intel Core i7-6600U (2c4t), 006000 Intel Core i5-6200U (2c4t), Intel Core i3-7130U, Intel i7-4500U, Qualcomm Snapdragon 888 4G, 005950 Intel Core i5-4570T, Intel Core i5-5257U, Rockchip RK3588 (4 A76, 4 A55), Snapdragon 7325, 005900 Intel Xeon X5550, Intel Core i5-4300M, MediaTek Dimensity 1200 (4 A78, 4 A55), Unisoc 7255 (T616), 005800 Intel Celeron J4125 J4105 (FCBGA1090 15W), Intel Core i5-3470T, AMD A8-6600K APU, AMD 3015E (2c4t), 005600 Intel Core i5-3360M, Intel Core i7-3520M, Intel Core i5-4210M, Intel Pentium G4600T, 005400 MediaTek Dimensity 900 (2 A78, 6 A55), AMD Athlon Silver 7120U, Snapdragon 860, 005300 AMD PRO A12-9800B 7th Gen APU (FP4 15W), AMD FX-4300 4c4t, AMD Ryzen R1305G, 005250 Intel Core i5-3230M, AMD FX-7600P, Intel Pentium G4400, Unisoc T7200 (Unisoc T606 2 A76, 6 A55), 005200 AMD PRO A10-8770E, AMD A10-9700E, AMD PRO A10-9700B (FP4 15W), Intel Core i3-4130T, 005100 AMD RX-427BB (FP3 15W), AMD A10-9620P, AMD A12-9720P, Intel Core i3-8145U, AMD A12-9830B, 005050 AMD A8-5500 (FM2 65W), AMD A10 PRO-7800B APU, Intel Pentium Silver N5000, Intel Core i7-5500U, 005000 Intel Core i5-5300U, Intel Core i5-3320M (2c4t), Intel Core i5-5350U, Unisoc T618 (2 A73 6 A53), 004900 Intel Core i5-4300U, Intel Core i5-5200U, Intel Core i3-4100M, Snapdragon 662 (SM6115), 004860 Intel Core i7-2620M, Intel Core i7-2640M, AMD Athlon Silver 3050U 3050e, Intel i3-7020U, 004650 Intel Core i5-2520M (2c4t), Intel Core i5-3210M, AMD A10-9600P (FP4 4c 15W), Pentium 4415U, 004625 Intel Core i3-7100U (FCBGA1356 15W), ARM A76 RK3588S, AMD A10-6800B APU, 004600 AMD PRO A8-9600B, AMD PRO A12-8830B, AMD PRO A10-8730B, AMD A12-9700P, Intel Core i3-6100U, 004400 AMD A10-8700P A8-8600P, Intel Core i5-4200U, Intel Core i5-2540M, Intel i3-6006U, 004000 Intel Core i5-2430M, AMD PRO A8-8600B, AMD 3020e, Intel Core i3-5005U, Mediatek MT6797 Helio X20, 003850 Intel Core i5-2410M (2c4t), Intel Core i3-2120 (LGA1155 65W), Mediatek MT8786, 003800 AMD A10-4600M APU, AMD A10 PRO-7350B APU, AMD A10-5750M APU, Rockchip RK3399, 003600 AMD A8-6500T APU, AMD A8-7410 APU, AMD PRO A6-8550B, AMD A8-5550M (4c4t), 003500 AMD GX-424CC SOC (FT3b 25W 4c4t), ARM A75 Unisoc Tiger T610 (Spreadtrum) (8c 5W), 003400 AMD A10-7300 APU, AMD A6-7310 APU, AMD A8-6410, AMD A10-5745M APU, Intel Core i3-4000M, 003350 Intel Pentium G2020, Intel Core i3-3120M (G2 2c4t), AMD R-464L APU, Intel® Core m5-6Y57 (2c4t), 003300 AMD GX-420CA SOC (FT3 BGA769 25W), AMD A6-9500E, Intel Celeron N4200, AMD A6-5200 ( 25W 2c2t), 003200 AMD A6-6310 APU, AMD A6-6400B APU, AMD A6-8570E, AMD A8-4500M APU, AMD A6-7400K APU 003000 AMD A8-7150B, AMD A9-9410 / A9-9425, AMD A6-8500B (FP4 15W), AMD A8-7100, 002900 AMD PRO A6-8530B, AMD A6-8500P, AMD A8-3500M APU, Intel Core i3-2120T, 002700 AMD Embedded GX-420GI (FP4 15W), AMD PRO A6-9500B, AMD GX-415GA, AMD A4-6210 APU, 002600 AMD A6-9225, AMD A8-4555M APU, AMD A4-5000 APU (FT3 15W), AMD A6-9220, AMD A6-3420M APU, 002450 Intel Celeron 2950M, Intel Pentium N3700, Intel Core i3-2350M, Allwinner A523 (8 A55), 002400 Intel Celeron N3150, Intel Core i3-2330M, Intel Xeon W3505, AMD A6-9210, Allwinner H618 (4 A53), 002300 Intel Celeron N3350, AMD A4-9120, AMD A4-9125, Intel Core i3-2310M, Intel Celeron 3865U, 002200 AMD A9-9420e, AMD A6-5350M APU, AMD E2-6110 APU, AMD E2-9000e, Celeron N4500, 002000 AMD GX-412HC, AMD A4-4300M APU, AMD A6 PRO-7050B APU, AMD A6-4400M APU, AMD A6-7000, 001925 Intel Core2 Duo E6700, Intel Pentium Extreme Edition 965, Intel Core i3-370M, Celeron N4020, 001750 Intel Core i3-2365M 2375M, AMD A4-9120C, Intel Core2 Duo T8300, Qualcomm MSM8939, 001600 AMD GX-222GC (BGA769 FT3b 15W), AMD A4-9120e, AMD Embedded GX-215JJ, AMD A4-4355M APU, 001550 Intel Core2 Duo SL9400 T7600 T6600, AMD E2-3200, AMD A6-9220e, Mediatek MT8783, AMD E2-3800, 001500 AMD GX-218GL SOC, AMD A6-4455M, AMD A4-5150M APU, ARM A55 RK3566 (4c 3W), Intel Core2 Duo T8100, 001400 AMD GX-217GA SOC, ARM Cortex-A53 4c4t H700, AMD A4-3300M APU, Allwinner A133P A64 (4 A53), 001300 AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-64 TL-62, Intel Core2 Duo T7300, Intel Core2 Duo T5600, AMD RX-216TD, 001250 AMD GX-412TC SOC, AMD A4-3320M APU, AMD Athlon 64 X2 QL-66, Intel Core2 Duo T7200 001200 AMD Athlon 64 X2 2c TK-57, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-60 RM-74, AMD E1-2500, AMD E2-7015, 001150 Intel Core2 Duo T5550, Intel Core2 Duo L7500, AMD E2-3000M APU, ARM A35 RK3266, AMD E2-7110, 001100 Intel Core2 Duo T5300, AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800, Intel Core2 Duo E4300, Mediatek MT8127, 001050 AMD E1-6010 APU, Intel Pentium T4300, Intel Celeron N2840, 001050 AMD Athlon 64 FX-57, AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core TK-55, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-52 001000 Intel Core2 Duo T5500, Intel Core2 Duo L7300, Intel Core2 Duo SU9400, 000950 AMD G-T56N, AMD Athlon 64 3100+, AMD E2-2000 APU, 000950 AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-50, AMD E1-2200 APU, Intel Celeron U3400, 000925 AMD TurionX2 Dual Core Mobile RM-72, AMD Sempron 140 000920 Intel Celeron SU2300, Intel Core2 Duo T5200, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-56 000890 AMD E2-1800 APU, AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile TL-58 000880 AMD G-T56E, AMD G-T48E, 000860 AMD E-450 APU, AMD E-350 APU, AMD Athlon LE-1620 000820 AMD A4-1250 APU, AMD Athlon LE-1600, 000810 AMD E1-2100 APU, Intel Core Duo T2500, 000810 Intel Atom D510, Intel Core2 Duo U7500, 000800 AMD Geode NX 2400+, AMD Turion 64 Mobile ML-42, AMD Athlon II Neo K325, 000760 AMD V140, AMD E1-1200 APU, AMD Athlon 64 3300+, 000730 Intel Core Duo T2400, AMD Turion 64 Mobile MK-38, AMD Sempron 3600+, 000700 Intel Core2 Duo U7600 U7700, AMD Sempron LE-1200, AMD V120 000680 AMD GX-212JC SOC, AMD E-300 APU, AMD A4-1200 APU, 000670 AMD Turion 64 Mobile MK-36 ML-37 ML-40, Mobile AMD Sempron 3800+ 000640 Intel Atom N2600, Intel Atom N570, Mobile AMD Athlon 64 3200+ 000640 Intel Core Duo T2300, Intel Core Duo T2050, 000630 VIA Eden X2 U4200, AMD Sempron LE-1100, AMD Sempron 3100+ 3600+, 000620 AMD C-70 C70 APU, Intel Atom 330, AMD G-T40N, AMD Athlon Neo MV-40, 000610 Intel Core2 Duo U7300, AMD Athlon II Neo K125 K145, 000600 Intel Atom N550, Intel Pentium 4, AMD Athlon 64 2800+, 000580 AMD C-60 C60, AMD G-T40E, AMD Sempron LE-1250 000530 AMD C-50 C50, Intel Celeron M 723, AMD Sempron 210U, 000490 AMD GX-210JA SOC, PowerPC 970 G5 IBM's 970 server CPU (2c), 000470 Mobile AMD Sempron 3500+, Mobile AMD Athlon XP-M 2200+, 000460 AMD Athlon XP 2500+, AMD Sempron 3500+, Mobile Intel Pentium 4, 000440 Intel Atom D425, Intel Atom N470, POWER 4 PPC, 000410 Intel Pentium M, Intel Celeron M, AMD Sempron 2300+ 000400 Intel Atom N450, AMD Sempron 2400+, 000340 Intel Atom D410, AMD G-T52R, AMD C-30, AMD Sempron 2200+ 000330 Intel Atom N455, Intel Atom N280, Intel Atom N270 (1c1t 2W), Intel P3, 000320 Freescale NXP QorIQ P1022 000310 PowerPC G4 7447 1Ghz (1c1t 15W), PPC440 core, 000230 PowerPC PPC G3/PPC 750, 000160 Pentium II, Motorola 68060 000080 Intel 80486, Motorola 68030, 000040 Intel 80386, 000030 Motorola 68020 000008 Motorola 68000 </pre> === Recommended hardware (32-bit) === [[#top|...to the top]] Recommended hardware is hardware that has been tested with latest release of AROS and is relatively easy to purchase second hand (ie. ebay). This hardware also comes with commitment that compatibility will be maintained with each future release. If in future decision will be made to drop any of the recommended hardware from the list (for example due to it no longer being available for purchase), such hardware will move to list of legacy supported systems and will have an indicated end of life date so that users have time to switch to other hardware. {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" | <!--OK-->{{Yes|'''Works well'''}} || <!--Not working-->{{No|'''Does not work'''}} || <!--Not applicable-->{{N/A|'''N/A not applicable'''}} |- |} ==== Virtual Hardware ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | VirtualBox 7.x (Other/Unknown template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|PCNET32<br/>E1000}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- | VMware 16+ (Other32 template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|PCNET32}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- | QEMU 8.x ("pc" and "q35" machines) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|PCNET32}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- |} ==== Laptops ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | ACER Aspire One ZG5 || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(IDE)}} || {{Yes|GMA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|RTL8169}} || {{Yes|ATHEROS}} || NOT APPLICABLE || <!--Comments--> |- | Dell Latitude D520 || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{Yes|GMA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|BCM4400}} || {{No|}} || {{Yes|Atheros AR5BXB63}} || * select Intel Core 2 64-bit version, not Celeron 32-bit version <br/> * replace WiFi card to get wireless working |- |} ==== Desktop Systems ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | Fujitsu Futro S720 || {{Yes|SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * no 2D/3D acceleration<br/> * use USB ports at back |- |} ==== Motherboards ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | ASUS P8Z68V LX || {{Yes|SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * add external PCIe video card for better performance |- | Gigabyte GA-MA770T UD3/UD3P || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * requires external PCIe video card |- | ASUS M2N68-AM SE2 || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{Yes|NVIDIA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|NVNET}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * connecting a disk via SATA connector is not supported at this time <br/> * add external PCIe video card for better performance |- | Gigabyte GA-H55M-S2H || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || * add external PCIe video card for better performance |- |} ==== Legacy supported hardware ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="10%" |EOL ! width="35%" |Comments |- | iMica || {{Yes|IDE}} || {{Yes|GMA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || 2026-12-31 || |- | Gigabyte GA-MA770 UD3 || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(IDE)}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || {{Yes|GeForce 8xxx/9xxx}} || 2026-12-31 || * requires external PCIe video card |- |} === Recommended hardware (64-bit) === [[#top|...to the top]] Recommended hardware is hardware that has been tested with latest release of AROS and is relatively easy to purchase second hand (ie. ebay). This hardware also comes with commitment that compatibility will be maintained with each future release. ==== Virtual Hardware ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | VirtualBox 7.x (Other/Unknown (64-bit) template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}} || {{Yes|PCNET32<br/>E1000}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- | VMware 16+ (Other64 template) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VMWARESVGA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|E1000}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- | QEMU 8.x ("pc" and "q35" machines) || {{Yes|IDE<br/>SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|SB128}} || {{Yes|PCNET32}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- |} ==== Motherboards ==== {| class="wikitable" width="100%" ! width="20%" |Name ! width="5%" |Storage ! width="5%" |Gfx ! width="5%" |Audio ! width="5%" |Ethernet ! width="5%" |Wireless ! width="10%" |Additional hardware ! width="45%" |Comments |- | ASUS P8Z68V LX || {{Yes|SATA(AHCI)}} || {{Yes|VESA}} || {{Yes|HDAudio}}|| {{Yes|RTL8169}} || NOT APPLICABLE || NOT APPLICABLE || * No accelerated 3D support |- |} ==References== [[#top|...to the top]] {{reflist}} {{BookCat}} genmjer4mgm3zf6dgzgh0yebi0jqtc7 0 237399 4637045 4636787 2026-05-22T18:11:15Z Jeff1138 301139 4637045 wikitext text/x-wiki ==Introduction== [[#Graphical Image Editing Art]] [[#Office Application]] [[#Audio]] [[#Misc Application]] [[#Games & Emulation]] [[#Application Guides]] [[#top|...to the top]] [[#top|...to the top]] Most apps can be opened on the Workbench (aka publicscreen pubscreen) which is the default display option but can offer a custom one set to your configurations (aka custom screen mode promotion). These custom ones tend to stack so the possible use of A-M/A-N method of switching between full screens and the ability to pull down screens as well If you are interested in creating or porting new software, see [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Aros/Developer/Docs here] {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Internet Applications !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1 (68k) !width:10%;|Hyperion OS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Web Online Browser [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=network/browser Odyssey 2.0], [https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1175&highlight=odyssey&rowstart=100 Odyssey 3.0], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://aminet.net/comm/www Amelinium], [https://blog.alb42.de/programs/amifox/ amifox] with [https://github.com/alb42/wrp wrp server], IBrowse*, Voyager*, [https://github.com/amigazen/aweb3/ AWeb 3.6 src], [https://github.com/matjam/aweb AWeb Src], [http://aminet.net/package/comm/www/NetSurf-m68k-sources Netsurf], [], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[ Odyssey OWB], [ Timberwolf (Firefox port 2011)], [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?forum=32&topic_id=32847 OWB-mui], [http://strohmayer.org/owb/ OWB-Reaction], IBrowse*, [http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=network/browser/aweb.lha AWeb], Voyager, [http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=network/browser Netsurf], |<!--MorphOS-->Wayfarer, [http://fabportnawak.free.fr/owb/ Odyssey OWB], [ Netsurf], IBrowse*, AWeb, [], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->YouTube Viewing and downloading videos |<!--AROS-->Odyssey 2.0 can show Youtube webpage, [https://blog.alb42.de/amitube/ Amitube], |[https://blog.alb42.de/amitube/ Amitube], [https://github.com/YePpHa/YouTubeCenter/releases or this one], |[https://blog.alb42.de/amitube/ Amitube], getVideo, Tubexx, [https://github.com/walkero-gr/aiostreams aiostreams], |[ Wayfarer], [https://blog.alb42.de/amitube/ Amitube],Odyssey (OWB), [http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=5 getVideo], Tubexx |- |<!--Sub Menu-->E-mailing SMTP POP3 IMAP based |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=network/email SimpleMail], [http://sourceforge.net/projects/simplemail/files/ src], [https://github.com/jens-maus/yam YAM] |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/simplemail/files/ SimpleMail], [https://github.com/jens-maus/yam YAM] |<!--AmigaOS4-->SimpleMail, YAM, |<!--MorphOS--> SimpleMail, YAM |- |<!--Sub Menu-->IRC |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=network/chat WookieChat], [https://sourceforge.net/projects/wookiechat/ Wookiechat src], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=network/chat AiRcOS], Jabberwocky, |<!--Amiga OS-->Wookiechat, AmIRC |<!--AmigaOS4-->Wookiechat |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=5 Wookiechat], [http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=5 AmIRC], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Instant Messaging IM like [https://github.com/BlitterStudio/amidon Hollywood lang based Mastodon client], BlueSky AT protocol, Facebook(TM), Twitter X (TM), Bitlbee IRC Gateway and others |<!--AROS-->[https://github.com/kaffeine1/telegram-amiga telegram-amiga], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=network/chat jabberwocky], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://amitwitter.sourceforge.net/ AmiTwitter], CLIMM, SabreMSN, jabberwocky, |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://amitwitter.sourceforge.net/ AmiTwitter], SabreMSN, |<!--MorphOS-->[http://amitwitter.sourceforge.net/ AmiTwitter], [http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=5 PolyglotNG], SabreMSN, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Torrents |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=network/p2p ArTorr], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->CTorrent, Transmission |<!--MorphOS-->MLDonkey, Beehive, [http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=5 Transmission], CTorrent, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->FTP |<!--AROS-->Plugin included with Dopus Magellan, MarranoFTP, |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/AmiFTP AmiFTP], AmiTradeCenter, ncFTP, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=5 Pftp], [http://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/AmiFTP-1.935-OS4 AmiFTP], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->WYSIWYG Web Site Editor |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Internet Radio Streaming Audio [http://www.gnu.org/software/gnump3d/ gnump3d], [http://www.icecast.org/ Icecast2] Server (Broadcast) and Client (Listen), [ mpd], [http://darkice.sourceforge.net/ DarkIce], [http://www.dyne.org/software/muse/ Muse], |<!--AROS-->Mplayer (Icecast Client only), |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://github.com/sandlbn/TuneFinder TuneFinder C Src], [https://github.com/sandlbn/TuneFinderMUI TuneFinderMUI], [http://amigazeux.net/anr/ AmiNetRadio], [], [], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.tunenet.co.uk/ Tunenet], |<!--MorphOS-->Mplayer, AmiNetRadio, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->VoIP (Voice over IP) with SIP Client (Session Initiation Protocol) or Asterisk IAX2 Clients Softphone (skype like) |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->AmiPhone with Speak Freely, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Weather Forecast |<!--AROS-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/ WeatherBar], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/workbench AWeather], [] |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://amigazeux.net/wetter/ Wetter], [https://github.com/emartisoft/AmiWeatherForecasts AmiWeatherForecasts src], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://os4depot.net/?function=showfile&file=utility/workbench/flipclock.lha FlipClock], |<!--MorphOS-->[http://amigazeux.net/wetter/ Wetter], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Street Road Maps Route Planning GPS Tracking |<!--AROS-->[https://blog.alb42.de/programs/muimapparium/ MuiMapparium] [https://build.alb42.de/ Build of MuiMapp versions], |<!--Amiga OS-->AmiAtlas*, UKRoutePlus*, [http://blog.alb42.de/ AmOSM], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[http://blog.alb42.de/programs/mapparium/ Mapparium], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Clock and Date setting from the internet (either ntp or websites) [https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ World Clock], [http://www.time.gov/ NIST], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=network/misc ntpsync], |<!--Amiga OS-->ntpsync |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Newsgroups |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://newscoaster.sourceforge.net/ Newscoaster], [https://github.com/jens-maus/newsrog NewsRog], [ WorldNews], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->IP-based video production workflows with High Dynamic Range (HDR), 10-bit color collaborative NDI, |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Blogging like Lemmy or kbin |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->VR face recognition for Vtubers |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->VR chatting Live 2D models with Cubism type editor <pre> Model data (cmo3) Basic motions (can3) Background image (png) Set of files for embedding (runtime folder) • Model data (moc3) • Motion data (motion3.json) • Model settings file (model3.json) • Physics settings file (physics3.json) • Display auxiliary file (cdi3.json) </pre> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->VR chatting chatters .VRML models - standardized 3D file format for VR avatars |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->V-tubers V-tubing like Vseeface with Openseeface tracker or Vpuppr (virtual puppet project) for 2d / 3d art models rigging rigged LIV |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. ==Graphical Image Editing Art== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Image Editing !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1(68k) !width:10%;|Hyperion OS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Pixel Raster Artwork [https://github.com/LibreSprite/LibreSprite LibreSprite based on GPL aseprite], [https://github.com/abetusk/hsvhero hsvhero], [], |<!--AROS-->[https://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/ZunePaint/ ZunePaint], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit LunaPaint], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit GrafX2], [ LodePaint needs OpenGL], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.amigaforever.com/classic/download.html PPaint], GrafX2, [https://github.com/grovdata/Amiga_Sources/blob/master/software.md DeluxePaint], [http://www.amiforce.de/perfectpaint/perfectpaint.php PerfectPaint], Zoetrope, Brilliance2*, |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit LodePaint], GrafX2, |<!--MorphOS-->Sketch, Pixel*, GrafX2, [http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=3 LunaPaint] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Image viewing |<!--AROS-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/ ZuneView], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/viewer LookHere], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/viewer LoView], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/viewer PicShow] , [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=31400&forum=32&start=80&viewmode=flat&order=0#583458 Picture Album], |<!--Amiga OS-->PicShow, PicView, Photoalbum, |<!--AmigaOS4-->WarpView, PicShow, flPhoto, Thumbs, [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=31400&forum=32&start=80&viewmode=flat&order=0#583458 Picture Album], |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=3 ShowGirls], [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=31400&forum=32&start=80&viewmode=flat&order=0#583458 Picture Album] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Photography retouching / Image Manipulation like Photoshop(tm) |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit RNOEffects], [https://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/ ZunePaint], [http://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/ ZuneView], |<!--Amiga OS-->[ Tecsoft Video Paint aka TVPaint], Photogenics*, ArtEffect*, ImageFX*, XiPaint, fxPaint, ImageMasterRT, Opalpaint, |<!--AmigaOS4-->WarpView, flPhoto, [http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit Photocrop] |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=3 ShowGirls], ImageFX*, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Manage RAW picture folder galleries like Darktable, RAWtherapy, etc |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Graphic Format Converter - ICC profile support sRGB, Adobe RGB, XYZ and linear RGB |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->GraphicsConverter, ImageStudio, [http://www.coplabs.org/artpro.html ArtPro] |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Thumbnail Generator [], |<!--AROS-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/ ZuneView], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/shell Thumbnail Generator] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Icon Editor |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/iconedit Archives], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/workbench Icon Toolbox], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/iconedit IconEditor] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->2D Pixel Art Animation |<!--AROS-->Lunapaint |<!--Amiga OS-->PPaint, AnimatED, Scala*, GoldDisk MovieSetter*, Walt Disney's Animation Studio*, ProDAD*, [https://github.com/historicalsource/DeluxePaint DeluxePaint src], Brilliance |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=3 Titler] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->2D SVG based MovieSetter type |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->MovieSetter*, Fantavision* |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Morphing |<!--AROS-->[ GLMorph] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->2D Cad (qcad->LibreCAD, etc.) |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->Xcad, MaxonCAD |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->3D Cad like FreeCad, BRL-CAD, OpenSCAD, AvoCADo, etc. using dxf, obj (vertices), blend, |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->XCad3d*, DynaCADD*, Cycas, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->3D Model Rendering of glft (json) gbl (png jpg), usdz (USD files with materials, textures, and animations), FBX Filmbox is a proprietary Autodesk format, |<!--AROS-->POV-Ray |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.discreetfx.com./amigaproducts.html CINEMA 4D]*, POV-Ray, Lightwave3D*, Real3D*, Caligari24*, Reflections/Monzoom*, [https://github.com/privatosan/RayStorm Raystorm src], Tornado 3D |<!--AmigaOS4-->Blender, POV-Ray, Yafray |<!--MorphOS-->Blender, POV-Ray, Yafray |- |<!--Sub Menu-->3D Format Converter [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=graphics/convert/ivcon.lha IVCon] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Screen grabbing display |<!--AROS-->[ Screengrabber], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/misc snapit], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=video/record screen recorder], [] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Grab graphics music from apps [https://github.com/Malvineous/ripper6 ripper6], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. [[#top|...to the top]] ==Office Application== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Office !width:10%;|AROS (x86) !width:10%;|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_software Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1] (68k) !width:10%;|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AmigaOS_4 Hyperion OS4] (PPC) !width:10%;|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MorphOS MorphOS] (PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Word-processing |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=office/wordprocessing Cinnamon Writer], [https://finalwriter.godaddysites.com/ Final Writer 7*], [https://github.com/sodero/MUI-Vim/releases MUI-Vim], [ ], |<!--AmigaOS-->[ Softwood FinalCopy II*], Haage AmigaWriter*, Digita WordWorth*, Softwood FinalWriter*, Micro-Systems Excellence 3*, Arnor Protext, Rashumon, [ InterWord], [ KindWords], [WordPerfect], [ New Horizons Flow], [ CygnusEd Pro], [ Micro-systems Scribble], |<!--AmigaOS4-->AbiWord, [ CinnamonWriter] |<!--MorphOS-->[ Cinnamon Writer], [http://www.meta-morphos.org/viewtopic.php?topic=1246&forum=53 scriba], [http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/index.php Papyrus Office], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Spreadsheets |<!--AROS-->[https://blog.alb42.de/programs/leu/ Leu], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=office/spreadsheet], |<!--AmigaOS-->[https://aminet.net/package/biz/spread/ignition-src Ignition Src 1.3], [MaxiPlan 500 Plus], [OXXI Plan/IT v2.0 Speadsheet], [ Superplan], [ Creative Developments TurboCalc], [ ProCalc], [ InterSpread], [Digita DGCalc], [ Gold Disk Advantage], [ Micro-systems Analyze!] |<!--AmigaOS4-->Gnumeric, [https://ignition-amiga.sourceforge.net/ Ignition], |<!--MorphOS-->[ ignition], [http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php Papyrus Office], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Presentations |<!--AROS-->[http://www.hollywoood-mal.com/ Hollywood]*, |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.hollywoood-mal.com/ Hollywood]*, MediaPoint, PointRider, Scala*, |<!--Amiga OS4-->[http://www.hollywoood-mal.com/ Hollywood]*, PointRider |<!--MorphOS-->[http://www.hollywoood-mal.com/ Hollywood]*, PointRider |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Databases |<!--AROS-->[http://sdb.freeforums.org/ SDB], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=office/database BeeBase], |<!--Amiga OS-->Precision Superbase 4 Pro*, Arnor Prodata*, BeeBase, Datastore, FinalData*, AmigaBase, Fiasco, Twist2*, [Digita DGBase], [], |<!--AmigaOS4-->BeeBase, SQLite, |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=6 BeeBase], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->PDF Viewing and editing digital signatures |<!--AROS-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/arospdf/ ArosPDF via splash], [https://github.com/wattoc/AROS-vpdf vpdf wip], |<!--Amiga OS-->APDF |<!--AmigaOS4-->AmiPDF |<!--MorphOS-->APDF, vPDF, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Printing |<!--AROS-->Postscript 3 laser printers and Ghostscript internal, [ GutenPrint], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.irseesoft.de/tp_what.htm TurboPrint]* |<!--AmigaOS4-->(some native drivers), |<!--MorphOS-->early TurboPrint included, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Note Taking markdown support like joplin, OneNote, EverNote Notes, xournalpp, etc |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Study and analyse, collect, organize, annotate, cite, and share |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->PIM Personal Information Manager - Day Diary Planner Calendar App |<!--AROS-->[ ], [ ], [ ], |<!--Amiga OS-->Digita Organiser*, On The Ball, Everyday Organiser, [ Contact Manager], |<!--AmigaOS4-->AOrganiser, |<!--MorphOS-->[http://polymere.free.fr/orga_en.html PolyOrga], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Accounting |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=office/misc ETB], LoanCalc, [ ], [ ], [ ], |[ Digita Home Accounts2], Accountant, Small Business Accounts, Account Master, [ Amigabok], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Project Management Research |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->SuperGantt, SuperPlan, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->System Wide Dictionary - multilingual [http://sourceforge.net/projects/babiloo/ Babiloo], [http://code.google.com/p/stardict-3/ StarDict], |<!--AROS-->[ ], |<!--AmigaOS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->System wide Thesaurus - multi lingual |<!--AROS-->[ ], |Kuma K-Roget*, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Sticky Desktop Notes (post it type) |<!--AROS-->[http://aminet.net/package/util/wb/amimemos.i386-aros AmiMemos], [https://aminet.net/package/util/wb/amimemos.src-aros AmiMemos Src], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://aminet.net/package/util/wb/StickIt-2.00 StickIt v2], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->DTP Desktop Publishing |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit RNOPublisher], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://pagestream.org/ Pagestream]*, Professional Pro Page*, Saxon Publisher, Pagesetter, PenPal, |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://pagestream.org/ Pagestream]* |<!--MorphOS-->[http://pagestream.org/ Pagestream]* |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Scanning |<!--AROS-->[ SCANdal], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->FxScan*, ScanQuix* |<!--AmigaOS4-->SCANdal (Sane) |<!--MorphOS-->SCANdal |- |<!--Sub Menu-->OCR |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/convert gOCR] |<!--AmigaOS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos-files.net/categories/office/text Tesseract] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Text Editing |<!--AROS-->Jano Editor (already installed as Editor), [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=development/edit EdiSyn], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/text/edit Annotate], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=development/edit Vim], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/text/edit FrexxEd] [https://github.com/vidarh/FrexxEd src], [ NoWinEd], |<!--Amiga OS-->Annotate, MicroGoldED/CubicIDE*, CygnusED*, Turbotext, Protext*, NoWinED, |<!--AmigaOS4-->Notepad, Annotate, CygnusED*, NoWinED, |<!--MorphOS-->MorphOS ED, NoWinED, GoldED/CubicIDE*, CygnusED*, Annotate, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Office Fonts [http://sourceforge.net/projects/fontforge/files/fontforge-source/ Font Designer] |<!--AROS-->[ ], [ ], |<!--Amiga OS-->TypeSmith*, SaxonScript (GetFont Adobe Type 1), |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Drawing Vector |<!--AROS-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/amifig/ ZuneFIG previously AmiFIG] |<!--Amiga OS-->Drawstudio*, ProVector*, ArtExpression*, Professional Draw*, AmiFIG, MetaView, [https://gitlab.com/amigasourcecodepreservation/designworks Design Works Src], [], |<!--AmigaOS4-->MindSpace, [http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit amifig], |<!--MorphOS-->SteamDraw, [http://aminet.net/package/gfx/edit/amifig amiFIG], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->video conferencing (jitsi) |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->source code hosting |<!--AROS-->Gitlab, |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Remote Desktop (server) |<!--AROS-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/VNC_Server ArosVNCServer], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://s.guillard.free.fr/AmiVNC/AmiVNC.htm AmiVNC], [http://dspach.free.fr/amiga/avnc/index.html AVNC] |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://s.guillard.free.fr/AmiVNC/AmiVNC.htm AmiVNC] |MorphVNC, vncserver |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Remote Desktop (client) |<!--AROS-->[https://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/VNC_Client/ ArosVNC], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=network/misc rdesktop], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://twinvnc.free.fr/index.php?menu=01&lang=eng TwinVNC], [http://dspach.free.fr/amiga/vva/index.html VVA], [http://www.hd-zone.com/ RDesktop] |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://twinvnc.free.fr/index.php?menu=01&lang=eng TwinVNC], [http://www.hd-zone.com/ RDesktop] |[http://twinvnc.free.fr/index.php?menu=01&lang=eng TwinVNC], [http://www.hd-zone.com/ RDesktop] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->notifications |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->Ranchero |<!--AmigaOS4-->Ringhio |<!--MorphOS-->MagicBeacon |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. [[#top|...to the top]] ==Audio== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Audio !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1(68k) !width:10%;|Hyperion OS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Playing playback Audio like MP3, [https://github.com/chrg127/gmplayer NSF], [https://github.com/kode54/lazyusf miniusf .usflib], [], etc |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=video/play Mplayer], [ HarmonyPlayer hp], [http://www.a500.org/downloads/audio/index.xhtml playcdda] CDs, [ WildMidi Player], [https://bszili.morphos.me/ UADE mod player], [], [RNOTunes ], [ mp3Player], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->AmiNetRadio, AmigaAmp, playOGG, |<!--AmigaOS4-->TuneNet, SimplePlay, AmigaAmp, TKPlayer |AmiNetRadio, Mplayer, Kaya, AmigaAmp |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Editing Audio |<!--AROS-->[ Audio Evolution 4] |<!--Amiga OS-->[ Samplitude Opus Key], [https://sourceforge.net/projects/hd-rec/ HD-Rec Src], [http://www.sonicpulse.de/eng/news.html SoundFX], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[https://sourceforge.net/projects/hd-rec/ HD-Rec], AmiSoundED, [http://os4depot.net/?function=showfile&file=audio/record/audioevolution4.lha Audio Evolution 4] |[http://www.hd-rec.de/HD-Rec/index.php?site=home HD-Rec], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Editing Tracker Music |<!--AROS-->[https://github.com/hitchhikr/protrekkr Protrekkr], [ Schism Tracker], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/tracker MilkyTracker], [http://www.hivelytracker.com/ HivelyTracker], [ Radium in AROS already], [http://www.a500.org/downloads/development/index.xhtml libMikMod], |<!--Amiga OS-->MilkyTracker, HivelyTracker, DigiBooster, Octamed SoundStudio, |<!--AmigaOS4-->MilkyTracker, HivelyTracker, GoatTracker |MilkyTracker, GoatTracker, DigiBooster, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Editing Music [], [https://github.com/kmatheussen/camd CAMD] and/or staves and notes manuscript |<!--AROS-->[http://bnp.hansfaust.de/ Bars and Pipes for AROS], [ Audio Evolution], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://bnp.hansfaust.de/ Bars'n'Pipes], MusicX* David "Talin" Joiner & Craig Weeks (for Notator-X), Deluxe Music Construction 2*, [https://github.com/timoinutilis/midi-sequencer-amigaos Horny c Src], HD-Rec, [https://aminet.net/package/mus/midi/dominatorV1_51 Dominator], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[https://sourceforge.net/p/hd-rec/code/HEAD/tree/ HD-Rec Src], Rockbeat, [http://bnp.hansfaust.de/download.html Bars'n'Pipes], [http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/edit Horny], Audio Evolution 4, |<!--MorphOS-->Bars'n'Pipes, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Sound Sampling |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/record Audio Evolution 4], [http://www.imica.net/SitePortalPage.aspx?siteid=1&did=162 Quick Record], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/misc SOX to get AIFF 16bit files], [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/tree/master/workbench/tools/AHIRecord AHIRecord], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://aminet.net/package/mus/edit/AudioEvolution3_src Audio Evolution 3 c src], [ Samplitude-MS Opus Key], Audiomaster IV*, |<!--AmigaOS4-->[https://github.com/timoinutilis/phonolith-amigaos phonolith c src], HD-Rec, Audio Evolution 4, |<!--MorphOS-->[https://sourceforge.net/p/hd-rec/code/HEAD/tree/ HD-Rec Src], Audio Evolution 4, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Live Looping or Audio Misc - Groovebox like |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->CD/DVD burn |[https://code.google.com/p/amiga-fryingpan/ FryingPan], |<!--Amiga OS-->FryingPan, [http://www.estamos.de/makecd/#CurrentVersion MakeCD], |<!--AmigaOS4-->FryingPan, AmiDVD, |[http://www.amiga.org/forums/printthread.php?t=58736 FryingPan], Jalopeano, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->CD/DVD audio rip |Lame, [http://www.imica.net/SitePortalPage.aspx?siteid=1&cfid=0&did=167 Quick CDrip], |<!--Amiga OS-->Lame, |<!--AmigaOS4-->Lame, |Lame, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->MP3 v1 and v2 Tagger |<!--AROS-->id3ren (v1), [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/edit mp3info], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> | |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Audio Convert |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/misc Sox], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://aminet.net/package/mus/misc/SoundBox SoundBox], [http://aminet.net/package/mus/misc/SoundBoxKey SoundBox Key], [http://aminet.net/package/mus/edit/SampleE SampleE], sox |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->DJ mixing jamming |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Radio Automation Software [http://www.rivendellaudio.org/ Rivendell], [http://code.campware.org/projects/livesupport/report/3 Campware LiveSupport], [http://www.sourcefabric.org/en/airtime/ SourceFabric AirTime], [http://www.ohloh.net/p/mediabox404 MediaBox404], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Speakers Audio Sonos Mains AC networked wired controlled *2005 ZP100 with ZP80 *2008 Zoneplayer ZP120 (multi-room wireless amp) ZP90 receiver only with CR100 controller, *2009 ZonePlayer S5, *2010 BR100 wireless Bridge (no support), *2011 Play:3 *2013 Bridge (no support), Play:1, *2016 Arc, Play:1, *Beam (Gen 2), Playbar, Ray, Era 100, Era 300, Roam, Move 2, *Sub (Gen 3), Sub Mini, Five, Amp S2 |<!--AROS-->SonosController |<!--Amiga OS-->SonosController |<!--AmigaOS4-->SonosController |<!--MorphOS-->SonosController |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Smart Speakers |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. [[#top|...to the top]] ==Video Creativity and Production== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Video !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1(68k) !width:10%;|Hyperion OS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Playing Video |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=video/play Mplayer VAMP], [http://www.a500.org/downloads/video/index.xhtml CDXL player], [http://www.a500.org/downloads/video/index.xhtml IffAnimPlay], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->Frogger*, AMP2, MPlayer, RiVA*, MooViD*, |<!--AmigaOS4-->DvPlayer, MPlayer |<!--MorphOS-->MPlayer, Frogger, AMP2, VLC |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Streaming Video and game streaming like OBS studio, Parsec, etc |<!--AROS-->Mplayer, |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->Mplayer, Gnash, Tubexx |<!--MorphOS-->Mplayer, OWB, Tubexx |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Playing DVD |<!--AROS-->[http://a-mc.biz/ AMC]*, Mplayer |<!--Amiga OS-->AMP2, Frogger |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://a-mc.biz/ AMC]*, DvPlayer*, AMP2, |<!--MorphOS-->Mplayer |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Screen Recording |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=video/record Screenrecorder], [ ], [ ], [ ], [ ], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->Screenrecorder, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Create and Edit Individual Video NLE |<!--AROS-->[ Mencoder], [ Quick Videos], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit AVIbuild], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/misc FrameBuild], FFMPEG, |<!--Amiga OS-->[ MainConcept Mainactor Broadcast*], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_Toaster Video Toaster*], MacroSystem MovieShop 4.3*, proDAD Adorage*, [ IOSpirit VHI studio]*, [Gold Disk ShowMaker], [], |<!--AmigaOS4-->FFMpeg/GUI |<!--MorphOS-->Blender, Mencoder, FFmpeg |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Subtitle editor |<!--AROS-->[https://aminet.net/package/text/edit/Slarti_Arosx86ABIv0 Slarti_Arosx86ABIv0], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. [[#top|...to the top]] ==Misc Application== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Misc Application !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1 (68k) !width:10%;|Hyperion OS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->File Management |<!--AROS-->DOpus4, [https://github.com/BlitterStudio/dopus5 DOpus Magellan aka DOpus 5], [ Scalos], [ ], |<!--Amiga OS-->DOpus2, DOpus 4, [http://sourceforge.net/projects/dopus5allamigas/files/?source=navbar DOpus Magellan DOpus5], ClassAction, FileMaster, [http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=4897 DirWork 2]*, [https://github.com/RudolphRiedel/DiskMaster2 DiskMaster2 src], |<!--AmigaOS4-->DOpus4, DOpus5, Filer, AmiDisk |<!--MorphOS-->DOpus4, DOpus5 |- |<!--Sub Menu-->File Verification / Repair |<!--AROS-->md5 (works in linux compiling shell), [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/filetool workpar2] (PAR2), [http://zakalwe.fi/~shd/foss/cksfv/files/ compile cksfv from website], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->Par2, |- |App Installer |<!--AROS-->[], [ InstallerNG], |<!--Amiga OS-->InstallerNG, Grunch, |<!--AmigaOS4-->Jack |<!--MorphOS-->Jack |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Compression archiver [https://github.com/FS-make-simple/paq9a paq9a], [], |<!--AROS-->XAD system is a toolkit designed for handling various file and disk archiver |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->C/C++ IDE |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/text/edit FrexxEd], [https://github.com/vidarh/FrexxEd FrexxEd src], Annotate, Murks, |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://devplex.awardspace.biz/cubic/index.html Cubic IDE]*, Annotate, |<!--AmigaOS4-->CodeBench , [https://gitlab.com/boemann/codecraft CodeCraft], |<!--MorphOS-->[http://devplex.awardspace.biz/cubic/index.html Cubic IDE]*, Anontate, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Computer Languages Translation [https://tetracorp.github.io/guide/reverse-engineering-amiga.html ], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://bitbucket.org/rhinoid/convert68000toc/src/main/ convert m68k seka asm-one to c], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Gui Creators |<!--AROS-->[ MuiBuilder], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[ MuiBuilder], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Catalog .cd .ct Editors |<!--AROS-->FlexCat |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.geit.de/deu_simplecat.html SimpleCat], FlexCat |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://aminet.net/package/dev/misc/simplecat SimpleCat], FlexCat |[http://www.geit.de/deu_simplecat.html SimpleCat], FlexCat |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Binary Hexadecimal Editor |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=development/edit Zaphod], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Repository |<!--AROS-->[ Git] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->Git |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Filesystem Backup |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Filesystem Repair |<!--AROS-->ArSFSDoctor, |<!--Amiga OS--> Quarterback Tools, [ ], [ ], [ ], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Multiple File renaming |<!--AROS-->DOpus 4 or 5, |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Anti Virus |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->VChecker, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Random Wallpaper Desktop changer [ DOpus5], [ Scalos], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Alarm Clock, Timer, Stopwatch, Countdown |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/workbench DClock], [http://aminet.net/util/time/AlarmClockAROS.lha AlarmClock], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Digital Signage |<!--AROS-->Hollywood, Hollywood Designer |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Fortune Cookie Quotes Sayings |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/misc AFortune], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Languages |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->Fun School, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Mathematics ([http://www-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/~parisse/install_en.html Xcas], etc.), |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/scientific mathX] |<!--Amiga OS-->Maple V, mathX, Fun School, GCSE Maths, [ ], [ ], [ ], |<!--AmigaOS4-->Yacas |<!--MorphOS-->Yacas |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. ==Misc Application 2== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Misc Application !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1(68k) !width:10%;|Hyperion OS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->System |<!--AROS-->[ SysExplorer], [ SysMon], [ Scout], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->OSK On Screen Keyboard |<!--AROS-->[], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://aminet.net/util/wb/OSK.lha OSK] |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Screen Magnifier Magnifying Glass Magnification |<!--AROS-->[http://www.onyxsoft.se/files/zoomit.lha ZoomIT], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Comic Book CBR CBZ format reader viewer |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/viewer comics], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/viewer comicon], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Ebook Reader |<!--AROS-->[https://blog.alb42.de/programs/#legadon Legadon EPUB],[] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Ebook Converter |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Text to Speech tts [https://github.com/JonathanFly/bark-installer Bark], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/misc flite], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.text2speech.com translator], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=search&tool=simple FLite] |<!--MorphOS-->[http://se.aminet.net/pub/aminet/mus/misc/ FLite] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Speech Voice Recognition Dictation - [http://sourceforge.net/projects/cmusphinx/files/ CMU Sphinx], [http://julius.sourceforge.jp/en_index.php?q=en/index.html Julius], [http://www.isip.piconepress.com/projects/speech/index.html ISIP], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Speech Voice Changer [], [], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Fractals |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->ZoneXplorer, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Landscape Rendering |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/raytrace WCS World Construction Set], |<!--Amiga OS-->[ Vista Pro], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Construction_Set World Construction Set] |<!--AmigaOS4-->[ WCS World Construction Set], |<!--MorphOS-->[ WCS World Construction Set], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Astronomy [https://sourceforge.net/projects/skychart/ skychart freepascal], [], [], |<!--AROS-->[ Digital Almanac (ABIv0 only)], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://aminet.net/search?query=planetarium Aminet search], [http://aminet.net/misc/sci/DA3V56ISO.zip Digital Almanac], [https://aminet.net/package/misc/sci/da3sourceV58 Src c V58], [ Galileo renamed to Distant Suns]*, [], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/digital-almanac/ Digital Almanac], Distant Suns*, [http://www.digitaluniverse.org.uk/ Digital Universe]*, |<!--MorphOS-->[http://www.aminet.net/misc/sci/da3.lha Digital Almanac], [http://www.aminet.net/package/misc/sci/da3-mos-src Src c V56], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->PCB design |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->[ ], [ ], [ ], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Genealogy History Family Tree Ancestry Records (FreeBMD, FreeREG, and FreeCEN file formats or GEDCOM GenTree) |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> [ Origins], [ Your Family Tree], [ ], [ ], [ ], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Screen Display Blanker screensaver |<!--AROS-->Blanker Commodity (built in), [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/screenblanker GarshneBlanker], [http://sourceforge.net/projects/gblanker/ GBlanker Src], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->MultiCX, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->ModernArt Blanker, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Maths Graph Function Plotting |<!--AROS-->[https://blog.alb42.de/programs/#MUIPlot MUIPlot], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->App Utility Launcher Dock toolbar |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/docky BoingBar], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://github.com/adkennan/DockBot Dockbot], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->3D Printer [https://github.com/OrcaSlicer/OrcaSlicer OrcaSlicer] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->BASIC Computer Language |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=development/language Basic4SDL], [ Ace Basic], [ X-AMOS], [SDLBasic], [ Alvyn], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.amiforce.de/main.php Amiblitz 3], [http://amos.condor.serverpro3.com/AmosProManual/contents/c1.html Amos Pro], [http://aminet.net/package/dev/basic/ace24dist ACE Basic], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->sdlBasic |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Astrology [https://sourceforge.net/projects/skylendar/ skylendar], [https://github.com/CruiserOne/Astrolog Astrolog], [https://www.astrolog.org/astrolog/astfile.htm Astrology alt site], [https://saravali.github.io/download.html Maitreya], [https://github.com/alamahant/Asteria Asteria], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. ==Games & Emulation== Some emulators/games require OpenGL to function and to adjust ahi prefs channels, frequency and unit0 and unit1 and [http://aros.sourceforge.net/documentation/users/shell/changetaskpri.php changetaskpri -1] Rom patching https://www.marcrobledo.com/RomPatcher.js/ https://www.romhacking.net/patch/ (ips, ups, bps, etc) and this other site supports the latter formats https://hack64.net/tools/patcher.php Free public domain roms for use with emulators can be found [http://www.pdroms.de/ here] as most of the rest are covered by copyright rules. If you like to read about old games see [http://retrogamingtimes.com/ here] and [http://www.armchairarcade.com/neo/ here] and a [http://www.vintagecomputing.com/ blog] about old computers. Possibly some of the [http://www.answers.com/topic/list-of-best-selling-computer-and-video-games best selling] of all time. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_computer_system_emulators Wiki] with emulated systems list. [https://archive.gamehistory.org/ Archive of VGHF], [https://library.gamehistory.org/ Video Game History Foundation Library search] {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:10%;|Games [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer Emulation] !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|AmigaOS3(68k) !width:10%;|AmigaOS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Amstrad CPC |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer], [ Caprice32 (OpenGL & pure SDL)], [ Arnold], [https://retroshowcase.gr/cpcbox-master/], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer] |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=2], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Apple2 and 2GS |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Arcade |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem Mame], [ SI Emu (ABIv0 only)], |<!--Amiga OS-->Mame, |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem xmame], amiarcadia, |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=2 Mame], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Atari 2600 [], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem Stella], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Atari 5200 [https://github.com/wavemotion-dave/A5200DS A5200DS], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Atari 7800 |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Atari 400 800 130XL [https://github.com/wavemotion-dave/A8DS A8DS], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer Atari800], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Atari Lynx |<!--AROS-->[http://myfreefilehosting.com/f/6366e11bdf_1.93MB Handy (ABIv0 only)], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Atari Jaguar |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Bandai Wonderswan |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation BBC Micro and Acorn Electron [http://beehttps://bem-unix.bbcmicro.com/download.html BeebEm], [http://b-em.bbcmicro.com/ B-Em], [http://elkulator.acornelectron.co.uk/ Elkulator], [http://electrem.emuunlim.com/ ElectrEm], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Dragon 32 and Tandy CoCo [http://www.6809.org.uk/xroar/ xroar], [], |<!--AROS-->[], [], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Commodore C16 Plus4 |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Commodore C64 |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer Vice (ABIv0 only)], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->Frodo, |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem viceplus], |<!--MorphOS-->Vice, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Commodore Amiga |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer Janus UAE], Emumiga, |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer UAE], |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=2 UAE], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Japanese MSX MSX2 |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Mattel Intelivision |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Mattel Colecovision and Adam |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Milton Bradley (MB) Vectrex [ Vectrex OpenGL], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation PICO8 Pico-8 fantasy video game console [https://github.com/egordorichev/pemsa-sdl/ pemsa-sdl], [https://github.com/jtothebell/fake-08 fake-08], [https://github.com/Epicpkmn11/fake-08/tree/wip fake-08 fork], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Nintendo Gameboy |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem vba no sound], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem vba] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Nintendo NES |<!--AROS-->[ EmiNES], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem Fceu], [https://github.com/takahirox/nes-js?tab=readme-ov-file nes-js], [https://github.com/bfirsh/jsnes jsnes], [https://github.com/angelo-wf/NesJs NesJs], |<!--Amiga OS-->AmiNES, [http://www.dridus.com/~nyef/darcnes/ darcNES], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem amines] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Nintendo SNES |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem Zsnes], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem warpsnes] |<!--MorphOS-->[http://fabportnawak.free.fr/snes/ Snes9x], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Nintendo N64 *HLE and plugins [ mupen64], [https://github.com/ares-emulator/ares ares], [https://github.com/N64Recomp/N64Recomp N64Recomp], [https://github.com/rt64/rt64 rt64], [https://github.com/simple64/simple64 Simple64], *LLE [], |<!--AROS-->[http://code.google.com/p/mupen64plus/ Mupen64+], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://code.google.com/p/mupen64plus/ Mupen64+], [http://aminet.net/package/misc/emu/tr-981125_src TR64], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[ Nintendo Gamecube Wii] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[ Nintendo Wii U] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[https://github.com/yuzu-emu Nintendo Switch] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation NEC PC Engine |<!--AROS-->[], [], [https://github.com/yhzmr442/jspce js-pce], |[http://www.hugo.fr.fm/ Hugo], [http://mednafen.sourceforge.net/ Mednafen], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem tgemu] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sega Master System (SMS) |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem Dega], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem sms], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem osmose] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sega Genesis/Megadrive |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem gp no sound], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem DGen], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://code.google.com/p/genplus-gx/ Genplus], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem genesisplus] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sega Saturn *HLE [https://mednafen.github.io/ mednafen], [http://yabause.org/ yabause], [], *LLE [], [], |<!--AROS-->? |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://yabause.org/ Yabause], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sega Dreamcast *HLE [https://github.com/flyinghead/flycast flycast], [https://code.google.com/archive/p/nulldc/downloads NullDC], *LLE [], [], |<!--AROS-->? |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sinclair ZX80 and ZX81 |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer], [], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sinclair Spectrum |[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer Fuse (crackly sound)], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer SimCoupe], [ FBZX slow], [https://jsspeccy.zxdemo.org/ jsspeccy], [http://torinak.com/qaop/games qaop], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.lasernet.plus.com/ Asp], [http://www.zophar.net/sinclair.html Speculator], [http://www.worldofspectrum.org/x128/index.html X128], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sinclair QL |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://aminet.net/package/misc/emu/QDOS4amiga1 QDOS4amiga] |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation SNK NeoGeo Pocket |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem gngeo], NeoPop, |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sony PlayStation |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem FPSE], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem FPSE] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[ Sony PS2] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[ Sony PS3] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[https://vita3k.org/ Sony Vita] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[https://github.com/shadps4-emu/shadPS4 PS4] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tangerine_Computer_Systems Tangerine] Oric and Atmos |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer Oricutron] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem Oricutron] |<!--MorphOS-->[http://aminet.net/package/misc/emu/oricutron Oricutron] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation TI 99/4 99/4A [https://github.com/wavemotion-dave/DS994a DS994a], [], [https://js99er.net/#/ js99er], [], [http://aminet.net/package/misc/emu/TI4Amiga TI4Amiga], [http://aminet.net/package/misc/emu/TI4Amiga_src TI4Amiga src in c], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation HP 38G 40GS 48 49G/50G Graphing Calculators |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation TI 58 83 84 85 86 - 89 92 Graphing Calculators |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:10%;|Games [https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/ General] !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|AmigaOS3(68k) !width:10%;|AmigaOS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Games [https://www.trackawesomelist.com/michelpereira/awesome-open-source-games/ Open Source and others] || AROS || Amiga OS || Amiga OS4 || Morphos |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Action like [https://github.com/BSzili/OpenLara/tree/amiga/src source of openlara SDL2], [https://github.com/opentomb/OpenTomb opentomb], [https://github.com/LostArtefacts/TRX TRX formerly Tomb1Main], [https://github.com/TombEngine TombEngine], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/action Thrust], [https://github.com/fragglet/sdl-sopwith sdl sopwith], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/action], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/action BOH], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Adventure like [http://dotg.sourceforge.net/ DMJ], [https://github.com/kromenak/gengine Gabriel Knight 3], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/adventure], [https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=browse&cat=emulation/misc ScummVM], [http://www.toolness.com/wp/category/interactive-fiction/ Infocom], [http://www.accardi-by-the-sea.org/ Zork Online]. [http://www.sarien.net/ Sierra Sarien], [http://www.ucw.cz/draci-historie/index-en.html Dragon History for ScummVM], [] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Board like [https://github.com/aperture-software/colditz-escape escape from colditz], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/board], [http://amigan.1emu.net/releases Africa] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Cards like |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/card ], [], |<!--AmigaOS-->[http://home.arcor.de/amigasolitaire/e/welcome.html Reko], [https://github.com/samskivert/beschei-en beschei Src], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Misc [https://github.com/michelpereira/awesome-open-source-games Awesome open], [https://github.com/bobeff/open-source-games General Open Source], [https://github.com/SAT-R/sa2 Sonic Advance 2], [https://github.com/velorek1/cwordle Wordle type], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/misc], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games FPS like [https://aminet.net/package/game/shoot/D1X_Rebirth_AGA Descent D1X src], [https://github.com/DescentDevelopers/Descent3 Descent 3], [https://github.com/Fewnity/Counter-Strike-Nintendo-DS Counter-Strike-Nintendo-DS], [https://github.com/Aleph-One-Marathon/alephone Bungie Marathon 1994], [https://bszili.morphos.me/ gzdoom skulltag], |<!--AROS-->Doom, Quake, [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Quake 3 Arena (OpenGL)], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Cube (OpenGL)], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Assault Cube (OpenGL)], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Cube 2 Sauerbraten (OpenGL)], [http://fodquake.net/test/ FodQuake QuakeWorld], [ Duke Nukem 3D], [ Darkplaces Nexuiz Xonotic], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Doom 3 SDL (OpenGL)], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Hexenworld and Hexen 2], [ Aliens vs Predator Gold 2000 (openGL)], [ Odamex (openGL doom)], |<!--Amiga OS-->Doom, Quake, AB3D, Fears, Breathless, |<!--AmigaOS4-->Doom, Quake, |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=12 Doom], Quake, Quake 3 Arena, [https://github.com/OpenXRay/xray-16 S.T.A.L.K.E.R Xray] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games MMORG like |<!--AROS-->[ Eternal Lands (OpenGL)], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Platform like |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/platform], [ Maze of Galious], [ Gish]*(openGL), [ Mega Mario], [http://www.gianas-return.de/ Giana's Return], [http://www.sqrxz.de/ Sqrxz], [.html Aquaria]*(openGL), [http://www.sqrxz2.de/ Sqrxz 2], [http://www.sqrxz.de/sqrxz-3/ Sqrxz 3], [http://www.sqrxz.de/sqrxz-4/ Sqrxz 4], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/platform Cave Story], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Puzzle [https://github.com/mariopartyrd/marioparty4/tree/port Party], [], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/puzzle], [ Cubosphere (OpenGL)], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/puzzle Candy Crisis], [http://bszili.morphos.me/ TailTale], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Racing [ Trigger Rally], [ VDrift], [http://www.ultimatestunts.nl/index.php?page=2&lang=en Ultimate Stunts], [http://maniadrive.raydium.org/ Mania Drive], [https://github.com/plowteam/donut Simpsons Hit and Run], [], |<!--AROS-->[ Super Tux Kart (OpenGL)], [http://www.dusabledanslherbe.eu/AROSPage/F1Spirit.30.html F1 Spirit (OpenGL)], [http://bszili.morphos.me/index.html MultiRacer], |<!--AmigaOS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://bszili.morphos.me/index.html Speed Dreams], |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=12], [http://bszili.morphos.me/index.html TORCS], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games 1st first person DRPG [https://wiki.rpg.net/index.php/Open_Game_Systems Misc], [https://github.com/OpenEnroth/OpenEnroth OpenEnroth MM], [] |<!--AROS-->[https://github.com/BSzili/aros-stuff Arx Libertatis], [http://www.playfuljs.com/a-first-person-engine-in-265-lines/ js raycaster], [https://github.com/Dorthu/es6-crpg webgl], [https://github.com/sonountaleban/AmiShockolate System Shock], [], [], |<!--AmigaOS-->Phantasie, Faery Tale, Dungeon Master, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games 3rd third person action CRPG [https://sourceforge.net/projects/sumwars/ Summoning Wars], [https://www.solarus-games.org/ Solarus], [https://wiki.rpg.net/index.php/Open_Game_Systems Misc], [https://github.com/alexbatalov/fallout1-ce fallout ce], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games isometric RPG [https://sourceforge.net/projects/sumwars/ Summoning Wars], [https://www.solarus-games.org/ Solarus], [https://wiki.rpg.net/index.php/Open_Game_Systems Misc], [https://github.com/topics/dungeon?l=javascript Dungeon], [], [https://github.com/clintbellanger/heroine-dusk JS Dusk], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/roleplaying nethack], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/roleplaying GemRB], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games card based RPG [https://github.com/open-duelyst/duelyst Duelyst], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Rhythm, Beat, Step [], [], [https://clonehero.net/ clonehero], [https://github.com/MatteoGodzilla/Dj-Engine Dj-Engine], |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/misc Frets on Fire], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Shoot Em Ups [http://www.mhgames.org/oldies/formido/ Formido], [http://code.google.com/p/violetland/ Violetland], ||<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/action Open Tyrian], [http://www.parallelrealities.co.uk/projects/starfighter.php Starfighter], [ Alien Blaster], [https://github.com/OpenFodder/openfodder OpenFodder], |<!--AmigaOS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.parallelrealities.co.uk/projects/starfighter.php Starfighter], |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Simulations [http://scp.indiegames.us/ Freespace 2], [http://www.heptargon.de/gl-117/gl-117.html GL117], [http://code.google.com/p/corsix-th/ Theme Hospital], [http://code.google.com/p/freerct/ Rollercoaster Tycoon], [http://hedgewars.org/ Hedgewars], [https://github.com/raceintospace/raceintospace raceintospace], [https://github.com/Return-To-The-Roots RTTR Settlers 2], [https://github.com/OoliteProject/oolite oolite elite], [https://github.com/fesh0r/newkind newkind elite], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->SimCity, SimAnt, Sim Hospital, Theme Park, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=12] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Life Sim [https://github.com/ACreTeam/forest Animal Crossing], [ ], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Strategy [http://rtsgus.org/ RTSgus], [http://wargus.sourceforge.net/ Wargus], [http://stargus.sourceforge.net/ Stargus], [https://github.com/KD-lab-Open-Source/Perimeter Perimeter], [https://matty77.itch.io/conflict-3049 conflict-3049], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/strategy MegaGlest (OpenGL)], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/strategy UFO:AI (OpenGL)], [http://play.freeciv.org/ FreeCiv], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=12] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Horror [https://github.com/Mikompilation/MikuPan Fatal Frame], [ ], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Sandbox Voxel Open World Exploration [https://github.com/UnknownShadow200/ClassiCube Classicube],[http://www.michaelfogleman.com/craft/ Craft], [https://github.com/tothpaul/DelphiCraft DelphiCraft],[https://www.minetest.net/ Luanti formerly Minetest], [ infiniminer], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Battle Royale [https://bruh.io/ Play.Bruh.io], [https://www.coolmathgames.com/0-copter Copter Royale], [https://surviv.io/ Surviv.io], [https://nuggetroyale.io/#Ketchup Nugget Royale], [https://miniroyale2.io/ Miniroyale2.io], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Tower Defense [https://chriscourses.github.io/tower-defense/ HTML5], [https://github.com/SBardak/Tower-Defense-Game TD C++], [https://github.com/bdoms/love_defense LUA and LOVE], [https://github.com/HyOsori/Osori-WebGame HTML5], [https://github.com/PascalCorpsman/ConfigTD ConfigTD Pascal], [https://github.com/GloriousEggroll/wine-ge-custom Wine], [] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Visual Novel Engines [https://github.com/Kirilllive/tuesday-js Tuesday JS], [ Lua + LOVE], [https://github.com/weetabix-su/renpsp-dev RenPSP], [https://github.com/Galladite27/ONScripter-EN ONScripter-EN], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Virtual Reality VR [https://gitlab.com/madsbuvi/openmw openmw vr], [https://github.com/Team-Beef-Studios/BeefRaiderXR BeefRaiderXR], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Virtual Table Top VTT [ Roll20], [https://www.owlbear.rodeo/ owlbear rodeo], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Computer assisted TableTop TTRPG OSR [https://www.rpgsolo.com/play.php RPGSolo], [https://github.com/fpsvogel/solo-ttrpgs Solo TTRPG], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games 2D 3D Engines [https://github.com/fegennari/3DWorld 3DWorld], [https://github.com/GarageGames/Torque3D Torque3D], [https://github.com/gameplay3d/GamePlay GamePlay 3D], [https://www.babylonjs.com/ BabylonJS ], [ Godot], [ Ogre], [ Crystal Space], [], [], [], |<!--AROS-->[https://www.arkhamdev.net/wiki.htm?id=agx Arkham Development antiryadgx 8.9 lts with register], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games C based game frameworks [https://github.com/orangeduck/Corange Corange], [https://github.com/scottcgi/Mojoc Mojoc], [https://orx-project.org/ Orx], [https://github.com/ioquake/ioq3 Quake 3], [https://www.mapeditor.org/ Tiled], [https://www.raylib.com/ 2d Raylib], [https://github.com/Rabios/awesome-raylib other raylib], [https://github.com/MrFrenik/gunslinger Gunslinger], [https://o3de.org/ o3d], [http://archives.aros-exec.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=development/library GLFW], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=development/library Raylib 5], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Virtual Pinball [https://github.com/vpinball/vpinball vpinball], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |} ==Application Guides== [[#top|...to the top]] ===Web Browser=== OWB is now at version 2.0 (which got an engine refresh, from July 2015 to February 2019) and 3.0. This latest version has a good support for many/most web sites, even YouTube web page now works. This improved compatibility comes at the expense of higher RAM usage (now 1GB RAM is the absolute minimum). Also, keep in mind that the lack of a JIT (Just-In-Time) JS compiler on the 32 bit version, makes the web surfing a bit slow. Only the 64 bit version of OWB 2.0 will have JIT enabled, thus benefitting of more speed. There are tooltypes that can be added to the icon to provide further features JIT, MSE etc Certificates from [https://curl.se/docs/caextract.html ca certs], DNS tracking blocking with [https://easylist.to/easylist/easylist.txt easylist.txt] in PROGDIR:Conf before starting browser with enabled AdBlock [https://github.com/easylist/easylist/tree/master easylist], [https://gitlab.com/eyeo anti abp], [https://firebog.net/ big blocklist], [https://github.com/StevenBlack/hosts Steves], [], [], This can be enabled with OWB Odyssey with Windows -> Content Blocking and Windows -> Messages and enter https://www.youtube.com/api/stats/ads* https://www.youtube.com/pagead/adview* https://www.youtube.com#@##player-ads* into your custom filters Element blocker browser extension might be needed for [https://github.com/easylist/easylist/wiki/Youtube-Issues youtube], [ mid roll], [ pre roll], [ ], OWB speed is much better when running from RAM Disk, the best way is to add the below into your S:User-Startup which copies OWB drawer from Extras:Internet/OWB to RAM Disk: So add this : <pre> copy Extras:Internet/OWB Ram:OWB/ ALL CLONE >NIL: copy Extras:Internet/OWB.info Ram: >NIL: </pre> Open RAM Disk and open OWB drawer and double click on OWB icon so that the above icon tooltypes are activated Problems are that the copy time is long (around 20 seconds added in the background), but we can make it faster if we delete useless files from the OWB drawer (docs, …) If you don’t copy the drawer back onto the HD, you won’t save your cache, cookies, passwords… So you need a script for it. Error messages SSL error "cant verify with ca-certificates", check bios clock time date is correct Error 6, try checking networking prefs settings and Save / Use preferences again or a '''few times''' otherwise the network chipset may not be compatible with Aros [https://www.google.com/search?q=%s&udm=14 Google search without AI overview] ===E-mail=== YAM does not support SSL and most mail providers now switched to encrypted SMTP/POP3 connections ====SimpleMail==== SimpleMail supports IMAP and appears to work with GMail, but it's never been reliable enough, it can crash with large mailboxes. Please read more on this [http://www.freelists.org/list/simplemail-usr User list] GMail Be sure to activate the pop3 usage in your gmail account setup / configuration first. pop3: pop.gmail.com Use SSL: Yes Port: 995 smtp: smtp.gmail.com (with authentication) Use Authentication: Yes Use SSL: Yes Port: 465 or 587 Hotmail/MSN/outlook/Microsoft Mail mid-2017, all outlook.com accounts will be migrated to Office 365 / Exchange Most users are currently on POP which does not allow showing folders and many other features (technical limitations of POP3). With Microsoft IMAP you will get folders, sync read/unread, and show flags. You still won't get push though, as Microsoft has not turned on the IMAP Idle command as at Sept 2013. If you want to try it, you need to first remove (you can't edit) your pop account (long-press the account on the accounts screen, delete account). Then set it up this way: 1. Email/Password 2. Manual 3. IMAP 4. * Incoming: imap-mail.outlook.com, port 993, SSL/TLS should be checked * Outgoing: smtp-mail.outlook.com, port 587, SSL/TLS should be checked * POP server name pop-mail.outlook.com, port 995, POP encryption method SSL Yahoo Mail On April 24, 2002 Yahoo ceased to offer POP access to its free mail service. Introducing instead a yearly payment feature, allowing users POP3 and IMAP server support, along with such benefits as larger file attachment sizes and no adverts. Sorry to see Yahoo leaving its users to cough up for the privilege of accessing their mail. Understandable, when competing against rivals such as Gmail and Hotmail who hold a large majority of users and were hacked in 2014 as well. Incoming Mail (IMAP) Server * Server - imap.mail.yahoo.com * Port - 993 * Requires SSL - Yes Outgoing Mail (SMTP) Server * Server - smtp.mail.yahoo.com * Port - 465 or 587 * Requires SSL - Yes * Requires authentication - Yes Your login info * Email address - Your full email address (name@domain.com) * Password - Your account's password * Requires authentication - Yes Note that you need to enable “Web & POP Access” in your Yahoo Mail account to send and receive Yahoo Mail messages through any other email program. You will have to enable “Allow your Yahoo Mail to be POPed” under “POP and Forwarding”, to send and receive Yahoo mails through any other email client. Cannot be done since 2002 unless the customer pays Yahoo a subscription subs fee to have access to SMTP and POP3 * Set the POP server for incoming mails as pop.mail.yahoo.com. You will have to enable “SSL” and use 995 for Port. * “Account Name or Login Name” – Your Yahoo Mail ID i.e. your email address without the domain “@yahoo.com”. * “Email Address” – Your Yahoo Mail address i.e. your email address including the domain “@yahoo.com”. E.g. myname@yahoo.com * “Password” – Your Yahoo Mail password. Yahoo! Mail Plus users may have to set POP server as plus.pop.mail.yahoo.com and SMTP server as plus.smtp.mail.yahoo.com. * Set the SMTP server for outgoing mails as smtp.mail.yahoo.com. You will also have to make sure that “SSL” is enabled and use 465 for port. you must also enable “authentication” for this to work. ====YAM Yet Another Mailer==== YAM does not support SSL and most mail providers have now switched to encrypted SMTP/POP3 connections This email client is POP3 only if the SSL library is available [http://www.freelists.org/list/yam YAM Freelists] One of the downsides of using a POP3 mailer unfortunately - you have to set an option not to delete the mail if you want it left on the server. IMAP keeps all the emails on the server. Possible issues Sending mail issues is probably a matter of using your ISP's SMTP server, though it could also be an SSL issue. getting a "Couldn't initialise TLSv1 / SSL error Use of on-line e-mail accounts with this email client is not possible as it lacks the OpenSSL AmiSSl v3 compatible library GMail Incoming Mail (POP3) Server - requires SSL: pop.gmail.com Use SSL: Yes Port: 995 Outgoing Mail (SMTP) Server - requires TLS: smtp.gmail.com (use authentication) Use Authentication: Yes Use STARTTLS: Yes (some clients call this SSL) Port: 465 or 587 Account Name: your Gmail username (including '@gmail.com') Email Address: your full Gmail email address (username@gmail.com) Password: your Gmail password Anyway, the SMTP is pop.gmail.com port 465 and it uses SSLLv3 Authentication. The POP3 settings are for the same server (pop.gmail.com), only on port 995 instead. Outlook.com access <pre > Outlook.com SMTP server address: smtp.live.com Outlook.com SMTP user name: Your full Outlook.com email address (not an alias) Outlook.com SMTP password: Your Outlook.com password Outlook.com SMTP port: 587 Outlook.com SMTP TLS/SSL encryption required: yes </pre > Yahoo Mail <pre > “POP3 Server” – Set the POP server for incoming mails as pop.mail.yahoo.com. You will have to enable “SSL” and use 995 for Port. “SMTP Server” – Set the SMTP server for outgoing mails as smtp.mail.yahoo.com. You will also have to make sure that “SSL” is enabled and use 465 for port. you must also enable “authentication” for this to work. “Account Name or Login Name” – Your Yahoo Mail ID i.e. your email address without the domain “@yahoo.com”. “Email Address” – Your Yahoo Mail address i.e. your email address including the domain “@yahoo.com”. E.g. myname@yahoo.com “Password” – Your Yahoo Mail password. </pre > Yahoo! Mail Plus users may have to set POP server as plus.pop.mail.yahoo.com and SMTP server as plus.smtp.mail.yahoo.com. Note that you need to enable “Web & POP Access” in your Yahoo Mail account to send and receive Yahoo Mail messages through any other email program. You will have to enable “Allow your Yahoo Mail to be POPed” under “POP and Forwarding”, to send and receive Yahoo mails through any other email client. Cannot be done since 2002 unless the customer pays Yahoo a monthly fee to have access to SMTP and POP3 Microsoft Outlook Express Mail 1. Get the files to your PC. By whatever method get the files off your Amiga onto your PC. In the YAM folder you have a number of different folders, one for each of your folders in YAM. Inside that is a file usually some numbers such as 332423.283. YAM created a new file for every single email you received. 2. Open up a brand new Outlook Express. Just configure the account to use 127.0.0.1 as mail servers. It doesn't really matter. You will need to manually create any subfolders you used in YAM. 3. You will need to do a mass rename on all your email files from YAM. Just add a .eml to the end of it. Amazing how PCs still rely mostly on the file name so it knows what sort of file it is rather than just looking at it! There are a number of multiple renamers online to download and free too. 4. Go into each of your folders, inbox, sent items etc. And do a select all then drag the files into Outlook Express (to the relevant folder obviously) Amazingly the file format that YAM used is very compatible with .eml standard and viola your emails appear. With correct dates and working attachments. 5. If you want your email into Microsoft Outlook. Open that up and create a new profile and a new blank PST file. Then go into File Import and choose to import from Outlook Express. And the mail will go into there. And viola.. you have your old email from your Amiga in a more modern day format. ===FTP=== Magellan has a great FTP module. It allows transferring files from/to a FTP server over the Internet or the local network and, even if FTP is perceived as a "thing of the past", its usability is all inside the client. The FTP thing has a nice side effect too, since every Icaros machine can be a FTP server as well, and our files can be easily transferred from an Icaros machine to another with a little configuration effort. First of all, we need to know the 'server' IP address. Server is the Icaros machine with the file we are about to download on another Icaros machine, that we're going to call 'client'. To do that, move on the server machine and 1) run Prefs/Services to be sure "FTP file transfer" is enabled (if not, enable it and restart Icaros); 2) run a shell and enter this command: ifconfig -a Make a note of the IP address for the network interface used by the local area network. For cabled devices, it usually is net0:. Now go on the client machine and run Magellan: Perform these actions: 1) click on FTP; 2) click on ADDRESS BOOK; 3) click on "New". You can now add a new entry for your Icaros server machine: 1) Choose a name for your server, in order to spot it immediately in the address book. Enter the IP address you got before. 2) click on Custom Options: 1) go to Miscellaneous in the left menu; 2) Ensure "Passive Transfers" is NOT selected; 3) click on Use. We need to deactivate Passive Transfers because YAFS, the FTP server included in Icaros, only allows active transfers at the current stage. Now, we can finally connect to our new file source: 1) Look into the address book for the newly introduced server, be sure that name and IP address are right, and 2) click on Connect. A new lister with server's "MyWorkspace" contents will appear. You can now transfer files over the network choosing a destination among your local (client's) volumes. Can be adapted to any FTP client on any platform of your choice, just be sure your client allows Active Transfers as well. ===IRC Internet Relay Chat=== Jabberwocky is ideal for one-to-one social media communication, use IRC if you require one to many. Just type a message in ''lowercase''' letters and it will be posted to all in the [ AROS irc channel]. Please do not use UPPER CASE as it is a sign of SHOUTING which is annoying. Other things to type in - replace <message> with a line of text and <nick> with a person's name <pre> /help /list /who /whois <nick> /msg <nick> <message> /query <nick> <message>s /query /away <message> /away /quit <going away message> </pre> [http://irchelp.org/irchelp/new2irc.html#smiley Intro guide here]. IRC Primer can be found here in [http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/ircprimer.html html], [http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/text/ircprimer.txt TXT], [http://www.kei.com/irc/IRCprimer1.1.ps PostScript]. Issue the command /me <text> where <text> is the text that should follow your nickname. Example: /me slaps ajk around a bit with a large trout /nick <newNick> /nickserv register <password> <email address> /ns instead of /nickserv, while others might need /msg nickserv /nickserv identify <password> Alternatives: /ns identify <password> /msg nickserv identify <password> ==== IRC WookieChat ==== WookieChat is the most complete internet client for communication across the IRC Network. WookieChat allows you to swap ideas and communicate in real-time, you can also exchange Files, Documents, Images and everything else using the application's DCC capabilities. add smilies drawer/directory run wookiechat from the shell and set stack to 1000000 e.g. wookiechat stack 1000000 select a server / server window * nickname * user name * real name - optional Once you configure the client with your preferred screen name, you'll want to find a channel to talk in. servers * New Server - click on this to add / add extra - change details in section below this click box * New Group * Delete Entry * Connect to server * connect in new tab * perform on connect Change details * Servername - change text in this box to one of the below Server: * Port number - no need to change * Server password * Channel - add #channel from below * auto join - can click this * nick registration password, Click Connect to server button above <pre> Server: irc.freenode.net Channel: #aros </pre> irc://irc.freenode.net/aros <pre> Server: chat.amigaworld.net Channel: #amigaworld or #amigans </pre> <pre> On Sunday evenings USA time usually starting around 3PM EDT (1900 UTC) Server:irc.superhosts.net Channel #team*amiga </pre> <pre> BitlBee and Minbif are IRCd-like gateways to multiple IM networks Server: im.bitlbee.org Port 6667 Seems to be most useful on WookieChat as you can be connected to several servers at once. One for Bitlbee and any messages that might come through that. One for your normal IRC chat server. </pre> [http://www.bitlbee.org/main.php/servers.html Other servers], <pre> #Amiga.org - irc.synirc.net eu.synirc.net dissonance.nl.eu.synirc.net (IPv6: 2002:5511:1356:0:216:17ff:fe84:68a) twilight.de.eu.synirc.net zero.dk.eu.synirc.net us.synirc.net avarice.az.us.synirc.net envy.il.us.synirc.net harpy.mi.us.synirc.net liberty.nj.us.synirc.net snowball.mo.us.synirc.net - Ports 6660-6669 7001 (SSL) </pre> <pre> Multiple server support "Perform on connect" scripts and channel auto-joins Automatic Nickserv login Tabs for channels and private conversations CTCP PING, TIME, VERSION, SOUND Incoming and Outgoing DCC SEND file transfers Colours for different events Logging and automatic reloading of logs mIRC colour code filters Configurable timestamps GUI for changing channel modes easily Configurable highlight keywords URL Grabber window Optional outgoing swear word filter Event sounds for tabs opening, highlighted words, and private messages DCC CHAT support Doubleclickable URL's Support for multiple languages using LOCALE Clone detection Auto reconnection to Servers upon disconnection Command aliases Chat display can be toggled between AmIRC and mIRC style Counter for Unread messages Graphical nicklist and graphical smileys with a popup chooser </pre> ====IRC Aircos ==== Double click on Aircos icon in Extras:Networking/Apps/Aircos. It has been set up with a guest account for trial purposes. Though ideally, choose a nickname and password for frequent use of irc. ====IRC and XMPP Jabberwocky==== Servers are setup and close down at random You sign up to a server that someone else has setup and access chat services through them. The two ways to access chat from jabberwocky <pre > Jabberwocky -> Server -> XMPP -> open and ad-free Jabberwocky -> Server -> Transports (Gateways) -> Proprietary closed systems </pre > The Jabber.org service connects with all IM services that use XMPP, the open standard for instant messaging and presence over the Internet. The services we connect with include Google Talk (closed), Live Journal Talk, Nimbuzz, Ovi, and thousands more. However, you can not connect from Jabber.org to proprietary services like AIM, ICQ, MSN, Skype, or Yahoo because they don’t yet use XMPP components (XEP-0114) '''but''' you can use Jabber.com's servers and IM gateways (MSN, ICQ, Yahoo etc.) instead. The best way to use jabberwocky is in conjunction with a public jabber server with '''transports''' to your favorite services, like gtalk, Facebook, yahoo, ICQ, AIM, etc. You have to register with one of the servers, [https://list.jabber.at/ this list] or [http://www.jabberes.org/servers/ another list], [http://xmpp.net/ this security XMPP list], Unfortunately jabberwocky can only connect to one server at a time so it is best to check what services each server offers. If you set it up with separate Facebook and google talk accounts, for example, sometimes you'll only get one or the other. Jabberwocky open a window where the Jabber server part is typed in as well as your Nickname and Password. Jabber ID (JID) identifies you to the server and other users. Once registered the next step is to goto Jabberwocky's "Windows" menu and select the "Agents" option. The "Agents List" window will open. Roster (contacts list) [http://search.wensley.org.uk/ Chatrooms] (MUC) are available File Transfer - can send and receive files through the Jabber service but not with other services like IRC, ICQ, AIM or Yahoo. All you need is an installed webbrowser and OpenURL. Clickable URLs - The message window uses Mailtext.mcc and you can set a URL action in the MUI mailtext prefs like SYS:Utils/OpenURL %s NEWWIN. There is no consistent Skype like (H.323 VoIP) video conferencing available over Jabber. The move from xmpp to Jingle should help but no support on any amiga-like systems at the moment. [http://aminet.net/package/dev/src/AmiPhoneSrc192 AmiPhone] and [http://www.lysator.liu.se/%28frame,faq,nobg,useframes%29/ahi/v4-site/ Speak Freely] was an early attempt voice only contact. SIP and Asterisk are other PBX options. Facebook If you're using the XMPP transport provided by Facebook themselves, chat.facebook.com, it looks like they're now requiring SSL transport. This means jabberwocky method below will no longer work. The best thing to do is to create an ID on a public jabber server which has a Facebook gateway. <pre > 1. launch jabberwocky 2. if the login window doesn't appear on launch, select 'account' from the jabberwocky menu 3. your jabber ID will be user@chat.facebook.com where user is your user ID 4. your password is your normal facebook password 5. to save this for next time, click the popup gadget next to the ID field 6. click the 'add' button 7. click the 'close' button 8. click the 'connect' button </pre > you're done. you can also click the 'save as default account' button if you want. jabberwocky configured to auto-connect when launching the program, but you can configure as you like. there is amigaguide documentation included with jabberwocky. [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=37085&forum=32 Read more here] for Facebook users, you can log-in directly to Facebook with jabberwocky. just sign in as @chat.facebook.com with your Facebook password as the password Twitter For a few years, there has been added a twitter transport. Servers include [http://jabber.hot-chilli.net/ jabber.hot-chili.net], and . An [http://jabber.hot-chilli.net/tag/how-tos/ How-to] :Read [http://jabber.hot-chilli.net/2010/05/09/twitter-transport-working/ more] Instagram no support at the moment best to use a web browser based client ICQ The new version (beta) of StriCQ uses a newer ICQ protocol. Most of the ICQ Jabber Transports still use an older ICQ protocol. You can only talk one-way to StriCQ using the older Transports. Only the newer ICQv7 Transport lets you talk both ways to StriCQ. Look at the server lists in the first section to check. Register on a Jabber server, e.g. this one works: http://www.jabber.de/ Then login into Jabberwocky with the following login data e.g. xxx@jabber.de / Password: xxx Now add your ICQ account under the window->Agents->"Register". Now Jabberwocky connects via the Jabber.de server with your ICQ account. Yahoo Messenger although yahoo! does not use xmpp protocol, you should be able to use the transport methods to gain access and post your replies MSN early months of 2013 Microsoft will ditch MSN Messenger client and force everyone to use Skype...but MSN protocol and servers will keep working as usual for quite a long time.... Occasionally the Messenger servers have been experiencing problems signing in. You may need to sign in at www.outlook.com and then try again. It may also take multiple tries to sign in. (This also affects you if you’re using Skype.) You have to check each servers' Agents List to see what transports (MSN protocol, ICQ protocol, etc.) are supported or use the list address' provided in the section above. Then register with each transport (IRC, MSN, ICQ, etc.) to which you need access. After registering you can Connect to start chatting. msn.jabber.com/registered should appear in the window. From this [http://tech.dir.groups.yahoo.com/group/amiga-jabberwocky/message/1378 JW group] guide which helps with this process in a clear, step by step procedure. 1. Sign up on MSN's site for a passport account. This typically involves getting a Hotmail address. 2. Log on to the Jabber server of your choice and do the following: * Select the "Windows/Agents" menu option in Jabberwocky. * Select the MSN Agent from the list presented by the server. * Click the Register button to open a new window asking for: **Username = passort account email address, typically your hotmail address. **Nick = Screen name to be shown to anyone you add to your buddy list. **Password = Password for your passport account/hotmail address. * Click the Register button at the bottom of the new window. 3. If all goes well, you will see the MSN Gateway added to your buddy list. If not, repeat part 2 on another server. Some servers may show MSN in their list of available agents, but have not updated their software for the latest protocols used by MSN. 4. Once you are registered, you can now add people to your buddy list. Note that you need to include the '''msn.''' ahead of the servername so that it knows what gateway agent to use. Some servers may use a slight variation and require '''msg.gate.''' before the server name, so try both to see what works. If my friend's msn was amiga@hotmail.co.uk and my jabber server was @jabber.meta.net.nz.. then amiga'''%'''hotmail.com@'''msn.'''jabber.meta.net.nz or another the trick to import MSN contacts is that you don't type the hotmail URL but the passport URL... e.g. Instead of: goodvibe%hotmail.com@msn.jabber.com You type: goodvibe%passport.com@msn.jabber.com And the thing about importing contacts I'm afraid you'll have to do it by hand, one at the time... Google Talk any XMPP server will work, but you have to add your contacts manually. a google talk user is typically either @gmail.com or @talk.google.com. a true gtalk transport is nice because it brings your contacts to you and (can) also support file transfers to/from google talk users. implement Jingle a set of extensions to the IETF's Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (XMPP) support ended early 2014 as Google moved to Google+ Hangouts which uses it own proprietary format ===Video Player MPlayer=== Many of the menu features (such as doubling) do not work with the current version of mplayer but using 4:3 mplayer -vf scale=800:600 file.avi 16:9 mplayer -vf scale=854:480 file.avi if you want gui use; mplayer -gui 1 <other params> file.avi <pre > stack 1000000 ; using AspireOS 1.xx ; copy FROM SYS:Extras/Multimedia/MPlayer/ TO RAM:MPlayer ALL CLONE > Nil: ; using Icaros Desktop 1.x ; copy FROM SYS:Tools/MPlayer/ TO RAM:MPlayer ALL CLONE > Nil: ; using Icaros Desktop 2.x ; copy FROM SYS:Utilities/MPlayer/ TO RAM:MPlayer ALL CLONE > Nil: cd RAM:MPlayer run MPlayer -gui > Nil: ;run MPlayer -gui -ao ahi_dev -playlist http://www.radio-paralax.de/listen.pls > Nil: </pre > $ mplayer rtsp://127.0.0.1:554/sample_300kbit.mp4 MPlayer supports multicast streaming, and rtp/rtsp protocols (it might require [http://www.live555.com/openRTSP/ live555 library] to work with some streams). But you might have to build it where it's disabled. Also, multicast won't work with some AmiTCP-likes. MIAMI supported it, though. AROS supports IPv4 (old but works) and this includes the needed address space for RTP. If you mean multicast via RTP - mplayer handles it. You can even force UDP over TCP -rtsp-stream-over-tcp If the rtsp Real Time Streaming Protocol server needs authentification: -user -passwd MPlayer - Menu - Open Playlist and load already downloaded .pls or .m3u file - auto starts around 4 percent cache MPlayer - Menu - Open Stream and copy one of the .pls lines below into space allowed, press OK and press play button on main gui interface Old 8bit 16bit remixes chip tune game music http://www.radio-paralax.de/listen.pls http://scenesat.com/ http://www.shoutcast.com/radio/Amiga http://www.theoldcomputer.com/retro_radio/RetroRadio_Main.htm http://www.kohina.com/ http://www.remix64.com/ http://retrogamer.net/forum/ http://retroasylum.podomatic.com/rss2.xml http://retrogamesquad.com/ http://www.retronauts.com/ http://monsterfeet.com/noquarter/ http://www.retrogamingradio.com/ http://www.radiofeeds.co.uk/mp3.asp [[#top|...to the top]] ====ZunePaint==== simplified typical workflow * importing and organizing and photo management * making global and regional local correction(s) - recalculation is necessary after each adjustment as it is not in real-time * exporting your images in the best format available with the preservation of metadata Whilst achieving 80% of a great photo with just a filter, the remaining 20% comes from a manual fine-tuning of specific image attributes. For photojournalism, documentary, and event coverage, minimal touching is recommended. Stick to Camera Raw for such shots, and limit changes to level adjustment, sharpness, noise reduction, and white balance correction. For fashion or portrait shoots, a large amount of adjustment is allowed and usually ends up far from the original. Skin smoothing, blemish removal, eye touch-ups, etc. are common. Might alter the background a bit to emphasize the subject. Product photography usually requires a lot of sharpening, spot removal, and focus stacking. For landscape shots, best results are achieved by doing the maximum amount of preparation before/while taking the shot. No amount of processing can match timing, proper lighting, correct gear, optimal settings, etc. Excessive post-processing might give you a dramatic shot but best avoided in the long term. * White Balance - Left Amiga or F12 and K and under "Misc color effects" tab with a pull down for White Balance - color temperature also known as AKA tint (movies) or tones (painting) - warm temp raise red reduce green blue - cool raise blue lower red green * Exposure - exposure compensation, highlight/shadow recovery * Noise Reduction - during RAW development or using external software * Lens Corrections - distortion, vignetting, chromatic aberrations * Detail - capture sharpening and local contrast enhancement * Contrast - black point, levels (sliders) and curves tools (F12 and K) * Framing - straighten () and crop (F12 and F) * Refinements - color adjustments and selective enhancements - Left Amiga or F12 and K for RGB and YUV histogram tabs - * Resizing - enlarge for a print or downsize for the web or email (F12 and D) * Output Sharpening - customized for your subject matter and print/screen size White Balance - F12 and K scan your image for a shade which was meant to be white (neutral with each RGB value being equal) like paper or plastic which is in the same light as the subject of the picture. Use the dropper tool to select this color, similar colours will shift and you will have selected the perfect white balance for your part of the image - for the whole picture make sure RAZ or CLR button at the bottom is pressed before applying to the image above. Exposure correction F12 and K - YUV Y luminosity - RGB extra red tint - move red curve slightly down and move blue green curves slightly up Workflows in practice * Undo - Right AROS key or F12 and Z * Redo - Right AROS key or F12 and R First flatten your image (if necessary) and then do a rotation until the picture looks level. * Crop the picture. Click the selection button and drag a box over the area of the picture you want to keep. Press the crop button and the rest of the photo will be gone. * Adjust your saturation, exposure, hue levels, etc., (right AROS Key and K for color correction) until you are happy with the photo. Make sure you zoom in all of the way to 100% and look the photo over, zoom back out and move around. Look for obvious problems with the picture. * After coloring and exposure do a sharpen (Right AROS key and E for Convolution and select drop down option needed), e.g. set the matrix to 5x5 (roughly equivalent Amount to 60%) and set the Radius to 1.0. Click OK. And save your picture Implemented or would like to see for simplification and ease of use basic filters (presets) like black and white, monochrome, edge detection (sobel), motion/gaussian blur, * negative, sepiatone, retro vintage, night vision, colour tint, color gradient, color temperature, glows, fire, lightning, lens flare, emboss, filmic, pixelate mezzotint, antialias, etc. adjust / cosmetic tools such as crop, * reshaping tools, straighten, smear, smooth, perspective, liquify, bloat, pucker, push pixels in any direction, dispersion, transform like warp, blending with soft light, page-curl, whirl, ripple, fisheye, neon, etc. * red eye fixing, blemish remover, skin smoothing, teeth whitener, make eyes look brighter, desaturate, effects like oil paint, cartoon, pencil sketch, charcoal, noise/matrix like sharpen/unsharpen, (right AROS key with A for Artistic effects) * blend two image, gradient blend, masking blend, explode, implode, custom collage, surreal painting, comic book style, needlepoint, stained glass, watercolor, mosaic, stencil/outline, crayon, chalk, etc. borders such as * dropshadow, rounded, blurred, color tint, picture frame, film strip polaroid, bevelled edge, etc. brushes e.g. * frost, smoke, etc. and manual control of fix lens issues including vignetting (darkening), color fringing and barrel distortion, and chromatic and geometric aberration - lens and body profiles perspective correction levels - directly modify the levels of the tone-values of an image, by using sliders for highlights, midtones and shadows curves - Color Adjustment and Brightness/Contrast color balance one single color transparent (alpha channel (color information/selections) for masking and/or blending ) for backgrounds, etc. Threshold indicates how much other colors will be considered mixture of the removed color and non-removed colors decompose layer into a set of layers with each holding a different type of pattern that is visible within the image any selection using any selecting tools like lasso tool, marquee tool etc. the selection will temporarily be save to alpha If you create your image without transparency then the Alpha channel is not present, but you can add later. File formats like .psd (Photoshop file has layers, masks etc. contains edited sensor data. The original sensor data is no longer available) .xcf .raw .hdr Image Picture Formats * low dynamic range (JPEG, PNG, TIFF 8-bit), 16-bit (PPM, TIFF), typically as a 16-bit TIFF in either ProPhoto or AdobeRGB colorspace - TIFF files are also fairly universal – although, if they contain proprietary data, such as Photoshop Adjustment Layers or Smart Filters, then they can only be opened by Photoshop making them proprietary. * linear high dynamic range (HDR) images (PFM, [http://www.openexr.com/ ILM .EXR], jpg, [http://aminet.net/util/dtype cr2] (canon tiff based), hdr, NEF, CRW, ARW, MRW, ORF, RAF (Fuji), PEF, DCR, SRF, ERF, DNG files are RAW converted to an Adobe proprietary format - a container that can embed the raw file as well as the information needed to open it) An old version of [http://archives.aros-exec.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/convert dcraw] There is no single RAW file format. Each camera manufacturer has one or more unique RAW formats. RAW files contain the brightness levels data captured by the camera sensor. This data cannot be modified. A second smaller file, separate XML file, or within a database with instructions for the RAW processor to change exposure, saturation etc. The extra data can be changed but the original sensor data is still there. RAW is technically least compatible. A raw file is high-bit (usually 12 or 14 bits of information) but a camera-generated TIFF file will be usually converted by the camera (compressed, downsampled) to 8 bits. The raw file has no embedded color balance or color space, but the TIFF has both. These three things (smaller bit depth, embedded color balance, and embedded color space) make it so that the TIFF will lose quality more quickly with image adjustments than the raw file. The camera-generated TIFF image is much more like a camera processed JPEG than a raw file. A strong advantage goes to the raw file. The power of RAW files, such as the ability to set any color temperature non-destructively and will contain more tonal values. The principle of preserving the maximum amount of information to as late as possible in the process. The final conversion - which will always effectively represent a "downsampling" - should prevent as much loss as possible. Once you save it as TIFF, you throw away some of that data irretrievably. When saving in the lossy JPEG format, you get tremendous file size savings, but you've irreversibly thrown away a lot of image data. As long as you have the RAW file, original or otherwise, you have access to all of the image data as captured. Keyboard equivalence with Photoshop(tm) would help File PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP New Ctrl+n New Open Ctrl+o Open Close Ctrl+w Close Save Ctrl+s Save Save as Shift+Ctrl+s Save as Revert F12 Revert Print Ctrl+p Print Exit Ctrl+q Quit Edit PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Undo/Redo (1 level) Ctrl+z Undo (Redo is Shift+Ctrl+z) Cut Ctrl+x Cut Copy Ctrl+c Copy Paste Ctrl+v Paste Paste Into Shift+Ctrl+v Paste Into Fill with FG color Alt+Backspace Fill with FG color Fill with BG color Control+Backspace Fill with BG color Image/Colors PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Levels Ctrl+l Levels Auto Contrast Shift+Ctrl+Alt+l Stretch Contrast (same?) Curves Ctrl+m Curves Color Balance Ctrl+b Color Balance Hue/Saturation Ctrl+u Hue-Saturation Desaturate Shift+Ctrl+u Desaturate Invert Ctrl+i Invert Default Colors d Default Colors Switch Colors x Switch Colors Layer PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP New Layer Shift+Ctrl+n New Layer Layer via Copy Ctrl+j Duplicate Layer Bring (layer) to Front Shift+Ctrl+] Layer to Top Send (layer) to Back Shift+Ctrl+[ Layer to Bottom Bring (layer) Forward Ctrl+] Raise Layer Send (layer) Backward Ctrl+[ Lower Layer Select Top Layer Shift+Alt+] Select Top Layer Select Bottom Layer Shift+Alt+[ Select Bottom Layer Select One Layer Forward Alt+] Select Previous Layer Select One Layer Backward Alt+[ Select Next Layer Merge Down Ctrl+e Merge Down Merge Visible Shift+Ctrl+e Merge Visible Preserve Transparency / Keep Transparency Cycle Modes Forwards Shift+= Next Layer Mode Cycle Modes Backwards Shift+- Previous Layer Mode Select PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Select All Ctrl+a Select All Deselect Ctrl+d Select None Inverse Shift+Ctrl+i Invert Feather Ctrl+Alt+d Feather View PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Zoom In Ctrl+= Zoom In Zoom Out Ctrl+- Zoom Out Fit on Screen Ctrl+0 Zoom to Fit Window Actual Pixels Ctrl+Alt+0 Zoom 1:1 Show/Hide Extras Ctrl+h Toggle Show Selection (close enough?) Show/Hide Guides Ctrl+' Toggle Show Guides Show/Hide Grid Ctrl+Alt+' Toggle Show Grid Show/Hide Rulers Ctrl+r Toggle Show Rulers Snap Ctrl+; Snap to Guides Scroll View Up Page Up Scroll Page Up Scroll View Down Page Down Scroll Page Down Scroll View Left Ctrl+Page Up Scroll Page Left Scroll View Right Ctrl+Page Down Scroll Page Right Window/Dialogs PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP ? F5 Tools Dialog Color Tab F6 Colors Dialog Layers Tab F7 Layers Dialog Info Tab F8 Image Information Tools PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Rectangular Marquee Tool m Rect Select Tool Elliptical Marquee Tool Shift+m Ellipse Select Tool *This is a toggle between 'Elliptical Marquee Tool' and 'Rectangular Marquee Tool' in Photoshop Move Tool v Move Tool Lasso Tool l Free Select Tool Magic Wand Tool w Fuzzy Select Tool Crop Tool c Crop & Resize Tool Airbrush Tool j Airbrush Tool Paintbrush Tool b Paintbrush Tool Clone Stamp Tool s Clone Stamp Tool Eraser Tool e Eraser Tool Gradient Tool g Blend Tool Paint Bucket Tool Shift+g Bucket Fill Tool *This is a toggle between 'Paint Bucket Tool' and 'Gradient Tool' in Photoshop Blur Tool r Convolve Tool Dodge Tool o DodgeBurn Tool Type Tool t Text Tool Pen Tool p Bezier Select Tool Eye Dropper Tool i Color Picker Tool Zoom Tool z Magnify Tool Previous Brush , Previous Brush Next Brush . Next Brush First Brush Shift+< First Brush Last Brush Shift+> Last Brush Decrease Brush Size [ Decrease Brush Size Increase Brush Size ] Increase Brush Size Decrease Brush Hardness { Decrease Brush Hardness Increase Brush Hardness } Increase Brush Hardness Help PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Help F1 Help Context Help Shift+F1 Context Help Misc. PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Last Filter Ctrl+f Repeat Last Filter ? Shift+Ctrl+f Reshow Last Filter Preferences Ctrl+k Preferences Liquify Shift+Ctrl+x IWarp (close enough?) Toggle Quick Mask q Toggle Quick Mask Spotlights - triangle of white opaque shape Cutting out and/or replacing unwanted background or features - select large areas with the selection option like the Magic Wand tool (aka Color Range) or the Lasso (quick and fast) with feather 2 to soften edge or the pen tool which adds points/lines/Bézier curves (better control but slower), hold down the shift button as you click to add extra points/areas of the subject matter to remove. Increase the tolerance to cover more areas. To subtract from your selection hold down alt as you're clicking. * Layer masks are a better way of working than Erase they clip (black hides/hidden white visible/reveal). Clone Stamp can be simulated by and brushes for other areas. * Leave the fine details like hair, fur, etc. to later with lasso and the shift key to draw a line all the way around your subject. Gradient Mapping - Inverse - Mask. i.e. Refine your selected image with edge detection and using the radius and edge options / adjuster (increase/decrease contrast) so that you will capture more fine detail from the background allowing easier removal. Remove fringe/halo saving image as png rather than jpg/jpeg to keep transparency background intact. Implemented [http://colorizer.org/ colour model representations] [http://paulbourke.net/texture_colour/colourspace/ Mathematical approach] - Photo stills are spatially 2d (h and w), but are colorimetrically 3d (r g and b, or H L S, or Y U V etc.) as well. * RGB - split cubed mapped color model for photos and computer graphics hardware using the light spectrum (adding and subtracting) * YUV - Y-Lightness U-blue/yellow V-red/cyan (similar to YPbPr and YCbCr) used in the PAL, NTSC, and SECAM composite digital TV color [http://crewofone.com/2012/chroma-subsampling-and-transcoding/#comment-7299 video] Histograms White balanced (neutral) if the spike happens in the same place in each channel of the RGB graphs. If not, you're not balanced. If you have sky you'll see the blue channel further off to the right. RGB is best one to change colours. These elements RGB is a 3-channel format containing data for Red, Green, and Blue in your photo scale between 0 and 255. The area in a picture that appears to be brighter/whiter contains more red color as compared to the area which is relatively darker. Similarly in the green channel the area that appears to be darker contains less amount of green color as compared to the area that appears to be brighter. Similarly in the blue channel the area appears to be darker contains less amount of blue color as compared to the area that appears to be brighter. Brightness luminance histogram also matches the green histogram more than any other color - human eye interprets green better e.g. RGB rough ratio 15/55/30% RGBA (RGB+A, A means alpha channel) . The alpha channel is used for "alpha compositing", which can mostly be associated as "opacity". AROS deals in RGB with two digits for every color (red, green, blue), in ARGB you have two additional hex digits for the alpha channel. The shadows are represented by the left third of the graph. The highlights are represented by the right third. And the midtones are, of course, in the middle. The higher the black peaks in the graph, the more pixels are concentrated in that tonal range (total black area). By moving the black endpoint, which identifies the shadows (darkness) and a white light endpoint (brightness) up and down either sides of the graph, colors are adjusted based on these points. By dragging the central one, can increased the midtones and control the contrast, raise shadows levels, clip or softly eliminate unsafe levels, alter gamma, etc... in a way that is much more precise and creative . RGB Curves * Move left endpoint (black point) up or right endpoint (white point) up brightens * Move left endpoint down or right endpoint down darkens Color Curves * Dragging up on the Red Curve increases the intensity of the reds in the image but * Dragging down on the Red Curve decreases the intensity of the reds and thus increases the apparent intensity of its complimentary color, cyan. Green’s complimentary color is magenta, and blue’s is yellow. <pre> Red <-> Cyan Green <->Magenta Blue <->Yellow </pre> YUV Best option to analyse and pull out statistical elements of any picture (i.e. separate luminance data from color data). The line in Y luma tone box represents the brightness of the image with the point in the bottom left been black, and the point in the top right as white. A low-contrast image has a concentrated clump of values nearer to the center of the graph. By comparison, a high-contrast image has a wider distribution of values across the entire width of the Histogram. A histogram that is skewed to the right would indicate a picture that is a bit overexposed because most of the color data is on the lighter side (increase exposure with higher value F), while a histogram with the curve on the left shows a picture that is underexposed. This is good information to have when using post-processing software because it shows you not only where the color data exists for a given picture, but also where any data has been clipped (extremes on edges of either side): that is, it does not exist and, therefore, cannot be edited. By dragging the endpoints of the line and as well as the central one, can increased the dark/shadows, midtones and light/bright parts and control the contrast, raise shadows levels, clip or softly eliminate unsafe levels, alter gamma, etc... in a way that is much more precise and creative . The U and V chroma parts show color difference components of the image. It’s useful for checking whether or not the overall chroma is too high, and also whether it’s being limited too much Can be used to create a negative image but also With U (Cb), the higher value you are, the more you're on the blue primary color. If you go to the low values then you're on blue complementary color, i.e. yellow. With V (Cr), this is the same principle but with Red and Cyan. e.g. If you push U full blue and V full red, you get magenta. If you push U full yellow and V full Cyan then you get green. YUV simultaneously adds to one side of the color equation while subtracting from the other. using YUV to do color correction can be very problematic because each curve alters the result of each other: the mutual influence between U and V often makes things tricky. You may also be careful in what you do to avoid the raise of noise (which happens very easily). Best results are obtained with little adjustments sunset that looks uninspiring and needs some color pop especially for the rays over the hill, a subtle contrast raise while setting luma values back to the legal range without hard clipping. Free royalty pictures, [www.freeimages.com ], [http://imageshack.us/ ], [http://photobucket.com/ ], [http://rawpixels.net/], [], [], [], ====Lunapaint==== Pixel based drawing app with onion-skin animation function Blocking, Shading, Coloring, adding detail <pre> b BRUSH e ERASER alt eyedropper v layer tool z ZOOM / MAGNIFY < > n spc panning m marque q lasso w same color selection / region </pre> <pre> , LM RM v V f filter F . size p , pick color [] last / next color </pre> There is not much missing in Lunapaint to be as good as FlipBook and then you have to take into account that Flipbook is considered to be amongst the best and easiest to use animation software out there. Ok to be honest Flipbook has some nice features that require more heavy work but those aren't so much needed right away, things like camera effects, sound, smart fill, export to different movie file formats etc. Tried Flipbook with my tablet and compared it to Luna. The feeling is the same when sketching. LunaPaint is very responsive/fluent to draw with. Just as Flipbook is, and that responsiveness is something its users have mentioned as one of the positive sides of said software. author was learning MUI. Some parts just have to be rewritten with proper MUI classes before new features can be added. * add [Frame Add] / [Frame Del] * whole animation feature is impossible to use. If you draw 2 color maybe but if you start coloring your cells then you get in trouble * pickup the entire image as a brush, not just a selection ? And consequently remove the brush from memory when one doesn't need it anymore. can pick up a brush and put it onto a new image but cropping isn't possible, nor to load/save brushes. * Undo is something I longed for ages in Lunapaint. * to import into the current layer, other types of images (e.g. JPEG) besides RAW64. * implement graphic tablet features support **GENERAL DRAWING** Miss it very much: UNDO ERASER COLORPICKER - has to show on palette too which color got picked. BACKGROUND COLOR -Possibility to select from "New project screen" Miss it somewhat: ICON for UNDO ICON for ERASER ICON for CLEAR SCREEN ( What can I say? I start over from scratch very often ) BRUSH - possibility to cut out as brush not just copy off image to brush **ANIMATING** Miss it very much: NUMBER OF CELLS - Possibity to change total no. of cells during project ANIM BRUSH - Possibility to pick up a selected part of cells into an animbrush Miss it somewhat: ADD/REMOVE FRAMES: Add/remove single frame In general LunaPaint is really well done and it feels like a new DeluxePaint version. It works with my tablet. Sure there's much missing of course but things can always be added over time. So there is great potential in LunaPaint that's for sure. Animations could be made in it and maybe put together in QuickVideo, saving in .gif or .mng etc some day. LAYERS -Layers names don't get saved globally in animation frames -Layers order don't change globally in an animation (perhaps as default?). EXPORTING IMAGES -Exporting frames to JPG/PNG gives problems with colors. (wrong colors. See my animatiopn --> My robot was blue now it's "gold" ) I think this only happens if you have layers. -Trying to flatten the layers before export doesn't work if you have animation frames only the one you have visible will flatten properly all other frames are destroyed. (Only one of the layers are visible on them) -Exporting images filenames should be for example e.g. file0001, file0002...file0010 instead as of now file1, file2...file10 LOAD/SAVE (Preferences) -Make a setting for the default "Work" folder. * Destroyed colors if exported image/frame has layers * mystic color cycling of the selected color while stepping frames back/forth (annoying) <pre> Deluxe Paint II enhanced key shortcuts NOTE: @ denotes the ALT key [Technique] F1 - Paint F2 - Single Colour F3 - Replace F4 - Smear F5 - Shade F6 - Cycle F7 - Smooth M - Colour Cycle [Brush] B - Restore O - Outline h - Halve brush size H - Double brush size x - Flip brush on X axis X - Double brush size on X axis only y - Flip on Y Y - Double on Y z - Rotate brush 90 degrees Z - Stretch [Stencil] ` - Stencil On [Miscellaneous] F9 - Info Bar F10 - Selection Bar @o - Co-Ordinates @a - Anti-alias @r - Colourise @t - Translucent TAB - Colour Cycle [Picture] L - Load S - Save j - Page to Spare(Flip) J - Page to Spare(Copy) V - View Page Q - Quit [General Keys] m - Magnify < - Zoom In > - Zoom Out [ - Palette Colour Up ] - Palette Colour Down ( - Palette Colour Left ) - Palette Colour Right , - Eye Dropper . - Pixel / Brush Toggle / - Symmetry | - Co-Ordinates INS - Perspective Control +/- - Brush Size (Fine Control) w - Unfilled Polygon W - Filled Polygon e - Unfilled Ellipse E - Filled Ellipse r - Unfilled Rectangle R - Filled Rectangle t - Type/text tool a - Select Font u/U - Undo d - Brush D - Filled Non-Uniform Polygon f/F - Fill Options g/G - Grid h/H - Brush Size (Coarse Control) K - Clear c - Unfilled Circle C - Filled Circle v - Line b - Scissor Select and Toggle B - Brush {,} - Toggle between two background colours </pre> ====Lodepaint==== Pixel based painting artwork app ====Grafx2==== Pixel based painting artwork app aesprite like [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59Y6OTzNrhk aesprite workflow keys and tablet use], [], ====Vector Graphics ZuneFIG==== Vector Image Editing of files .svg .ps .eps *Objects - raise lower rotate flip aligning snapping *Path - unify subtract intersect exclude divide *Colour - fill stroke *Stroke - size *Brushes - *Layers - *Effects - gaussian bevels glows shadows *Text - *Transform - AmiFIG ([http://epb.lbl.gov/xfig/frm_introduction.html xfig manual]) [[File:MyScreen.png|thumb|left|alt=Showing all Windows open in AmiFIG.|All windows available to AmiFIG.]] for drawing simple to intermediate vector graphic images for scientific and technical uses and for illustration purposes for those with talent ;Menu options * Load - fig format but import(s) SVG * Save - fig format but export(s) eps, ps, pdf, svg and png * PAN = Ctrl + Arrow keys * Deselect all points There is no selected object until you apply the tool, and the selected object is not highlighted. ;Metrics - to set up page and styles - first window to open on new drawings ;Tools - Drawing Primitives - set Attributes window first before clicking any Tools button(s) * Shapes - circles, ellipses, arcs, splines, boxes, polygon * Lines - polylines * Text "T" button * Photos - bitmaps * Compound - Glue, Break, Scale * POINTs - Move, Add, Remove * Objects - Move, Copy, Delete, Mirror, Rotate, Paste use right mouse button to stop extra lines, shapes being formed and the left mouse to select/deselect tools button(s) * Rotate - moves in 90 degree turns centered on clicked POINT of a polygon or square ;Attributes which provide change(s) to the above primitives * Color * Line Width * Line Style * arrowheads ;Modes Choose from freehand, charts, figures, magnet, etc. ;Library - allows .fig clip-art to be stored * compound tools to add .fig(s) together ;FIG 3.2 [http://epb.lbl.gov/xfig/fig-format.html Format] as produced by xfig version 3.2.5 <pre> Landscape Center Inches Letter 100.00 Single -2 1200 2 4 0 0 50 -1 0 12 0.0000 4 135 1050 1050 2475 This is a test.01 </pre> # change the text alignment within the textbox. I can choose left, center, or right aligned by either changing the integer in the second column from 0 (left) to 1 or 2 (center, or right). # The third integer in the row specifies fontcolor. For instance, 0 is black, but blue is 1 and Green3 is 13. # The sixth integer in the bottom row specifies fontface. 0 is Times-Roman, but 16 is Helvetica (a MATLAB default). # The seventh number is fontsize. 12 represents a 12pt fontsize. Changing the fontsize of an item really is as easy as changing that number to 20. # The next number is the counter-clockwise angle of the text. Notice that I have changed the angle to .7854 (pi/4 rounded to four digits=45 degrees). # twelfth number is the position according to the standard “x-axis” in Xfig units from the left. Note that 1200 Xfig units is equivalent to once inch. # thirteenth number is the “y-position” from the top using the same unit convention as before. * The nested text string is what you entered into the textbox. * The “01″ present at the end of that line in the .fig file is the closing tag. For instance, a change to \100 appends a @ symbol at the end of the period of that sentence. ; Just to note there are no layers, no 3d functions, no shading, no transparency, no animation [[#top|...to the top]] ===Audio=== # AHI uses linear panning/balance, which means that in the center, you will get -6dB. If an app uses panning, this is what you will get. Note that apps like Audio Evolution need panning, so they will have this problem. # When using AHI Hifi modes, mixing is done in 32-bit and sent as 32-bit data to the driver. The Envy24HT driver uses that to output at 24-bit (always). # For the Envy24/Envy24HT, I've made 16-bit and 24-bit inputs (called Line-in 16-bit, Line-in 24-bit etc.). There is unfortunately no app that can handle 24-bit recording. ====Music Mods==== Digital module (mods) trackers are music creation software using samples and sometimes soundfonts, audio plugins (VST, AU or RTAS), MIDI. Generally, MODs are similar to MIDI in that they contain note on/off and other sequence messages that control the mod player. Unlike (most) midi files, however, they also contain sound samples that the sequence information actually plays. MOD files can have many channels (classic amiga mods have 4, corresponding to the inbuilt sound channels), but unlike MIDI, each channel can typically play only one note at once. However, since that note might be a sample of a chord, a drumloop or other complex sound, this is not as limiting as it sounds. Like MIDI, notes will play indefinitely if they're not instructed to end. Most trackers record this information automatically if you play your music in live. If you're using manual note entry, you can enter a note-off command with a keyboard shortcut - usually Caps Lock. In fact when considering file size MOD is not always the best option. Even a dummy song wastes few kilobytes for nothing when a simple SID tune could be few hundreds bytes and not bigger than 64kB. AHX is another small format, AHX tunes are never larger than 64kB excluding comments. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXXsZfwgil Protrekkr] (previously aka [w:Juan_Antonio_Arguelles_Rius|NoiseTrekkr]) If Protrekkr does not start, please check if the Unit 0 has been setup in the AHI prefs and still not, go to the directory utilities/protrekkr and double click on the Protrekkr icon *Sample *Note - Effect *Track (column) - Pattern - Order It all starts with the Sample which is used to create Note(s) in a Track (column of a tracker) The Note can be changed with an Effect. A Track of Note(s) can be collected into a Pattern (section of a song) and these can be given Order to create the whole song. Patience (notes have to be entered one at a time) or playing the bassline on a midi controller (faster - see midi section above). Best approach is to wait until a melody popped into your head. *Up-tempo means the track should be reasonably fast, but not super-fast. *Groovy and funky imply the track should have some sort of "swing" feel, with plenty of syncopation or off beat emphasis and a recognizable, melodic bass line. *Sweet and happy mean upbeat melodies, a major key and avoiding harsh sounds. *Moody - minor key First, create a quick bass sound, which is basically a sine wave, but can be hand drawn for a little more variance. It could also work for the melody part, too. This is usually a bass guitar or some kind of synthesizer bass. The bass line is often forgotten by inexperienced composers, but it plays an important role in a musical piece. Together with the rhythm section the bass line forms the groove of a song. It's the glue between the rhythm section and the melodic layer of a song. The drums are just pink noise samples, played at different frequencies to get a slightly different sound for the kick, snare, and hihats. Instruments that fall into the rhythm category are bass drums, snares, hi-hats, toms, cymbals, congas, tambourines, shakers, etc. Any percussive instrument can be used to form part of the rhythm section. The lead is the instrument that plays the main melody, on top of the chords. There are many instruments that can play a lead section, like a guitar, a piano, a saxophone or a flute. The list is almost endless. There is a lot of overlap with instruments that play chords. Often in one piece an instrument serves both roles. The lead melody is often played at a higher pitch than the chords. Listened back to what was produced so far, and a counter-melody can be imagined, which can be added with a triangle wave. To give the ends of phrases some life, you can add a solo part with a crunchy synth. By hitting random notes in the key of G, then edited a few of them. For the climax of the song, filled out the texture with a gentle high-pitch pad… …and a grungy bass synth. The arrow at A points at the pattern order list. As you see, the patterns don't have to be in numerical order. This song starts with pattern "00", then pattern "02", then "03", then "01", etcetera. Patterns may be repeated throughout a song. The B arrow points at the song title. Below it are the global BPM and speed parameters. These determine the tempo of the song, unless the tempo is altered through effect commands during the song. The C arrow points at the list of instruments. An instrument may consist of multiple samples. Which sample will be played depends on the note. This can be set in the Instrument Editing screen. Most instruments will consist of just one sample, though. The sample list for the selected instrument can be found under arrow D. Here's a part of the main editing screen. This is where you put in actual notes. Up to 32 channels can be used, meaning 32 sounds can play simultaneously. The first six channels of pattern "03" at order "02" are shown here. The arrow at A points at the row number. The B arrow points at the note to play, in this case a C4. The column pointed at by the C arrow tells us which instrument is associated with that note, in this case instrument #1 "Kick". The column at D is used (mainly) for volume commands. In this case it is left empty which means the instrument should play at its default volume. You can see the volume column being used in channel #6. The E column tells us which effect to use and any parameters for that effect. In this case it holds the "F" effect, which is a tempo command. The "04" means it should play at tempo 4 (a smaller number means faster). Base pattern When I create a new track I start with what I call the base pattern. It is worthwhile to spend some time polishing it as a lot of the ideas in the base pattern will be copied and used in other patterns. At least, that's how I work. Every musician will have his own way of working. In "Wild Bunnies" the base pattern is pattern "03" at order "02". In the section about selecting samples I talked about the four different categories of instruments: drums, bass, chords and leads. That's also how I usually go about making the base pattern. I start by making a drum pattern, then add a bass line, place some chords and top it off with a lead. This forms the base pattern from which the rest of the song will grow. Drums Here's a screenshot of the first four rows of the base pattern. I usually reserve the first four channels or so for the drum instruments. Right away there are a couple of tricks shown here. In the first channel the kick, or bass drum, plays some notes. Note the alternating F04 and F02 commands. The "F" command alters the tempo of the song and by quickly alternating the tempo; the song will get some kind of "swing" feel. In the second channel the closed hi-hat plays a fairly simple pattern. Further down in the channel, not shown here, some open hi-hat notes are added for a bit of variation. In the third and fourth channel the snare sample plays. The "8" command is for panning. One note is panned hard to the left and the other hard to the right. One sample is played a semitone lower than the other. This results in a cool flanging effect. It makes the snare stand out a little more in the mix. Bass line There are two different instruments used for the bass line. Instrument #6 is a pretty standard synthesized bass sound. Instrument #A sounds a bit like a slap bass when used with a quick fade out. By using two different instruments the bass line sounds a bit more ”human”. The volume command is used to cut off the notes. However, it is never set to zero. Setting the volume to a very small value will result in a reverb-like effect. This makes the song sound more "live". The bass line hints at the chords that will be played and the key the song will be in. In this case the key of the song is D-major, a positive and happy key. Chords The D major chords that are being played here are chords stabs; short sounds with a quick decay (fade out). Two different instruments (#8 and #9) are used to form the chords. These instruments are quite similar, but have a slightly different sound, panning and volume decay. Again, the reason for this is to make the sound more human. The volume command is used on some chords to simulate a delay, to achieve more of a live feel. The chords are placed off-beat making for a funky rhythm. Lead Finally the lead melody is added. The other instruments are invaluable in holding the track together, but the lead melody is usually what catches people's attention. A lot of notes and commands are used here, but it looks more complex than it is. A stepwise ascending melody plays in channel 13. Channel 14 and 15 copy this melody, but play it a few rows later at a lower volume. This creates an echo effect. A bit of panning is used on the notes to create some stereo depth. Like with the bass line, instead of cutting off notes the volume is set to low values for a reverb effect. The "461" effect adds a little vibrato to the note, which sounds nice on sustained notes. Those paying close attention may notice the instrument used here for the lead melody is the same as the one used for the bass line (#6 "Square"), except played two or three octaves higher. This instrument is a looped square wave sample. Each type of wave has its own quirks, but the square wave (shown below) is a really versatile wave form. Song structure Good, catchy songs are often carefully structured into sections, some of which are repeated throughout the song with small variations. A typical pop-song structure is: Intro - Verse - Chorus - Verse - Chorus - Bridge - Chorus. Other single sectional song structures are <pre> Strophic or AAA Song Form - oldest story telling with refrain (often title of the song) repeated in every verse section melody AABA Song Form - early popular, jazz and gospel fading during the 1960s AB or Verse/Chorus Song Form - songwriting format of choice for modern popular music since the 1960s Verse/Chorus/Bridge Song Form ABAB Song Form ABAC Song Form ABCD Song Form AAB 12-Bar Song Form - three four-bar lines or sub-sections 8-Bar Song Form 16-Bar Song Form Hybrid / Compound Song Forms </pre> The most common building blocks are: #INTRODUCTION(INTRO) #VERSE #REFRAIN #PRE-CHORUS / RISE / CLIMB #CHORUS #BRIDGE #MIDDLE EIGHT #SOLO / INSTRUMENTAL BREAK #COLLISION #CODA / OUTRO #AD LIB (OFTEN IN CODA / OUTRO) The chorus usually has more energy than the verse and often has a memorable melody line. As the chorus is repeated the most often during the song, it will be the part that people will remember. The bridge often marks a change of direction in the song. It is not uncommon to change keys in the bridge, or at least to use a different chord sequence. The bridge is used to build up tension towards the big finale, the last repetition of chorus. Playing RCTRL: Play song from row 0. LSHIFT + RCTRL: Play song from current row. RALT: Play pattern from row 0. LSHIFT + RALT: Play pattern from current row. Left mouse on '>': Play song from row 0. Right mouse on '>': Play song from current row. Left mouse on '|>': Play pattern from row 0. Right mouse on '|>': Play pattern from current row. Left mouse on 'Edit/Record': Edit mode on/off. Right mouse on 'Edit/Record': Record mode on/off. Editing LSHIFT + ESCAPE: Switch large patterns view on/off TAB: Go to next track LSHIFT + TAB: Go to prev. track LCTRL + TAB: Go to next note in track LCTRL + LSHIFT + TAB: Go to prev. note in track SPACE: Toggle Edit mode On & Off (Also stop if the song is being played) SHIFT SPACE: Toggle Record mode On & Off (Wait for a key note to be pressed or a midi in message to be received) DOWN ARROW: 1 Line down UP ARROW: 1 Line up LEFT ARROW: 1 Row left RIGHT ARROW: 1 Row right PREV. PAGE: 16 Arrows Up NEXT PAGE: 16 Arrows Down HOME / END: Top left / Bottom right of pattern LCTRL + HOME / END: First / last track F5, F6, F7, F8, F9: Jump to 0, 1/4, 2/4, 3/4, 4/4 lines of the patterns + - (Numeric keypad): Next / Previous pattern LCTRL + LEFT / RIGHT: Next / Previous pattern LCTRL + LALT + LEFT / RIGHT: Next / Previous position LALT + LEFT / RIGHT: Next / Previous instrument LSHIFT + M: Toggle mute state of the current channel LCTRL + LSHIFT + M: Solo the current track / Unmute all LSHIFT + F1 to F11: Select a tab/panel LCTRL + 1 to 4: Select a copy buffer Tracking 1st and 2nd keys rows: Upper octave row 3rd and 4th keys rows: Lower octave row RSHIFT: Insert a note off / and * (Numeric keypad) or F1 F2: -1 or +1 octave INSERT / BACKSPACE: Insert or Delete a line in current track or current selected block. LSHIFT + INSERT / BACKSPACE: Insert or Delete a line in current pattern DELETE (NOT BACKSPACE): Empty a column or a selected block. Blocks (Blocks can also be selected with the mouse by holding the right button and scrolling the pattern with the mouse wheel). LCTRL + A: Select entire current track LCTRL + LSHIFT + A: Select entire current pattern LALT + A: Select entire column note in a track LALT + LSHIFT + A: Select all notes of a track LCTRL + X: Cut the selected block and copy it into the block-buffer LCTRL + C: Copy the selected block into the block-buffer LCTRL + V: Paste the data from the block buffer into the pattern LCTRL + I: Interpolate selected data from the first to the last row of a selection LSHIFT + ARROWS PREV. PAGE NEXT PAGE: Select a block LCTRL + R: Randomize the select columns of a selection, works similar to CTRL + I (interpolating them) LCTRL + U: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 seminote higher LCTRL + D: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 seminote lower LCTRL + LSHIFT + U: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 seminote higher (only for the current instrument) LCTRL + LSHIFT + D: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 seminote lower (only for the current instrument) LCTRL + H: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 octave higher LCTRL + L: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 octave lower LCTRL + LSHIFT + H: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 octave higher (only for the current instrument) LCTRL + LSHIFT + L: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 octave lower (only for the current instrument) LCTRL + W: Save the current selection into a file Misc LALT + ENTER: Switch between full screen / windowed mode LALT + F4: Exit program (Windows only) LCTRL + S: Save current module LSHIFT + S: Switch top right panel to synths list LSHIFT + I: Switch top right panel to instruments list <pre> C-x xh xx xx hhhh Volume B-x xh xx xx hhhh Jump to A#x xh xx xx hhhh hhhh Slide F-x xh xx xx hhhh Tempo D-x xh xx xx hhhh Pattern Break G#x xh xx xx hhhh </pre> h Hex 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F 10 11 12 13 d Dec 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 The Set Volume command: C. Input a note, then move the cursor to the effects command column and type a C. Play the pattern, and you shouldn't be able to hear the note you placed the C by. This is because the effect parameters are 00. Change the two zeros to a 40(Hex)/64(Dec), depending on what your tracker uses. Play back the pattern again, and the note should come in at full volume. The Position Jump command next. This is just a B followed by the position in the playing list that you want to jump to. One thing to remember is that the playing list always starts at 0, not 1. This command is usually in Hex. Onto the volume slide command: A. This is slightly more complex (much more if you're using a newer tracker, if you want to achieve the results here, then set slides to Amiga, not linear), due to the fact it depends on the secondary tempo. For now set a secondary tempo of 06 (you can play around later), load a long or looped sample and input a note or two. A few rows after a note type in the effect command A. For the parameters use 0F. Play back the pattern, and you should notice that when the effect kicks in, the sample drops to a very low volume very quickly. Change the effect parameters to F0, and use a low volume command on the note. Play back the pattern, and when the slide kicks in the volume of the note should increase very quickly. This because each part of the effect parameters for command A does a different thing. The first number slides the volume up, and the second slides it down. It's not recommended that you use both a volume up and volume down at the same time, due to the fact the tracker only looks for the first number that isn't set to 0. If you specify parameters of 8F, the tracker will see the 8, ignore the F, and slide the volume up. Using a slide up and down at same time just makes you look stupid. Don't do it... The Set Tempo command: F, is pretty easy to understand. You simply specify the BPM (in Hex) that you want to change to. One important thing to note is that values of lower than 20 (Hex) sets the secondary tempo rather than the primary. Another useful command is the Pattern Break: D. This will stop the playing of the current pattern and skip to the next one in the playing list. By using parameters of more than 00 you can also specify which line to begin playing from. Command 3 is Portamento to Note. This slides the currently playing note to another note, at a specified speed. The slide then stops when it reaches the desired note. <pre> C-2 1 000 - Starts the note playing --- 000 C-3 330 - Starts the slide to C-3 at a speed of 30. --- 300 - Continues the slide --- 300 - Continues the slide </pre> Once the parameters have been set, the command can be input again without any parameters, and it'll still perform the same function unless you change the parameters. This memory function allows certain commands to function correctly, such as command 5, which is the Portamento to Note and Volume Slide command. Once command 3 has been set up command 5 will simply take the parameters from that and perform a Portamento to Note. Any parameters set up for command 5 itself simply perform a Volume Slide identical to command A at the same time as the Portamento to Note. This memory function will only operate in the same channel where the original parameters were set up. There are various other commands which perform two functions at once. They will be described as we come across them. C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 02 C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 05 C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 08 C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 0A C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 0D C-3 04 .. .. 09 10 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 10 (You can also switch on the Slider Rec to On, and perform parameter-live-recording, such as cutoff transitions, resonance or panning tweaking, etc..) Note: this command only works for volume/panning and fx datas columns. The next command we'll look at is the Portamento up/down: 1 and 2. Command 1 slides the pitch up at a specified speed, and 2 slides it down. This command works in a similar way to the volume slide, in that it is dependent on the secondary tempo. Both these commands have a memory dependent on each other, if you set the slide to a speed of 3 with the 1 command, a 2 command with no parameters will use the speed of 3 from the 1 command, and vice versa. Command 4 is Vibrato. Vibrato is basically rapid changes in pitch, just try it, and you'll see what I mean. Parameters are in the format of xy, where x is the speed of the slide, and y is the depth of the slide. One important point to remember is to keep your vibratos subtle and natural so a depth of 3 or less and a reasonably fast speed, around 8, is usually used. Setting the depth too high can make the part sound out of tune from the rest. Following on from command 4 is command 6. This is the Vibrato and Volume Slide command, and it has a memory like command 5, which you already know how to use. Command 7 is Tremolo. This is similar to vibrato. Rather than changing the pitch it slides the volume. The effect parameters are in exactly the same format. vibrato effect (0x1dxy) x = speed y = depth (can't be used if arpeggio (0x1b) is turned on) <pre> C-7 00 .. .. 1B37 <- Turn Arpeggio effect on --- .. .. .. 0000 --- .. .. .. 0000 --- .. .. .. 0000 --- .. .. .. 1B38 <- Change datas --- .. .. .. 0000 --- .. .. .. 0000 --- .. .. .. 0000 --- .. .. .. 1B00 <- Turn it off </pre> Command 9 is Sample Offset. This starts the playback of the sample from a different place than the start. The effect parameters specify the sample offset, but only very roughly. Say you have a sample which is 8765(Hex) bytes long, and you wanted it to play from position 4321(Hex). The effect parameter could only be as accurate as the 43 part, and it would ignore the 21. Command B is the Playing List/Order Jump command. The parameters specify the position in the Playing List/Order to jump to. When used in conjunction with command D you can specify the position and the line to play from. Command E is pretty complex, as it is used for a lot of different things, depending on what the first parameter is. Let's take a trip through each effect in order. Command E0 controls the hardware filter on an Amiga, which, as a low pass filter, cuts off the highest frequencies being played back. There are very few players and trackers on other system that simulate this function, not that you should need to use it. The second parameter, if set to 1, turns on the filter. If set to 0, the filter gets turned off. Commands E1/E2 are Fine Portamento Up/Down. Exactly the same functions as commands 1/2, except that they only slide the pitch by a very small amount. These commands have a memory the same as 1/2 as well. Command E3 sets the Glissando control. If parameters are set to 1 then when using command 3, any sliding will only use the notes in between the original note and the note being slid to. This produces a somewhat jumpier slide than usual. The best way to understand is to try it out for yourself. Produce a slow slide with command 3, listen to it, and then try using E31. Command E4 is the Set Vibrato Waveform control. This command controls how the vibrato command slides the pitch. Parameters are 0 - Sine, 1 - Ramp Down (Saw), 2 - Square. By adding 4 to the parameters, the waveform will not be restarted when a new note is played e.g. 5 - Sine without restart. Command E5 sets the Fine Tune of the instrument being played, but only for the particular note being played. It will override the default Fine Tune for the instrument. The parameters range from 0 to F, with 0 being -8 and F being +8 Fine Tune. A parameter of 8 gives no Fine Tune. If you're using a newer tracker that supports more than -8 to +8 e.g. -128 to +128, these parameters will give a rough Fine Tune, accurate to the nearest 16. Command E6 is the Jump Loop command. You mark the beginning of the part of a pattern that you want to loop with E60, and then specify with E6x the end of the loop, where x is the number of times you want it to loop. Command E7 is the Set Tremolo Waveform control. This has exactly the same parameters as command E4, except that it works for Tremolo rather than Vibrato. Command E9 is for Retriggering the note quickly. The parameter specifies the interval between the retrigs. Use a value of less than the current secondary tempo, or else the note will not get retrigged. Command EA/B are for Fine Volume Slide Up/Down. Much the same as the normal Volume Slides, except that these are easier to control since they don't depend on the secondary tempo. The parameters specify the amount to slide by e.g. if you have a sample playing at a volume of 08 (Hex) then the effect EA1 will slide this volume to 09 (Hex). A subsequent effect of EB4 would slide this volume down to 05 (Hex). Command EC is the Note Cut. This sets the volume of the currently playing note to 0 at a specified tick. The parameters should be lower than the secondary tempo or else the effect won't work. Command ED is the Note Delay. This should be used at the same time as a note is to be played, and the parameters will specify the number of ticks to delay playing the note. Again, keep the parameters lower than the secondary tempo, or the note won't get played! Command EE is the Pattern Delay. This delays the pattern for the amount of time it would take to play a certain number of rows. The parameters specify how many rows to delay for. Command EF is the Funk Repeat command. Set the sample loop to 0-1000. When EFx is used, the loop will be moved to 1000- 2000, then to 2000-3000 etc. After 9000-10000 the loop is set back to 0- 1000. The speed of the loop "movement" is defined by x. E is two times as slow as F, D is three times as slow as F etc. EF0 will turn the Funk Repeat off and reset the loop (to 0-1000). effects 0x41 and 0x42 to control the volumes of the 2 303 units There is a dedicated panel for synth parameter editing with coherent sections (osc, filter modulation, routing, so on) the interface is much nicer, much better to navigate with customizable colors, the reverb is now customizable (10 delay lines), It accepts newer types of Waves (higher bit rates, at least 24). Has a replay routine. It's pretty much your basic VA synth. The problem isn't with the sampler being to high it's the synth is tuned two octaves too low, but if you want your samples tuned down just set the base note down 2 octaves (in the instrument panel). so the synth is basically divided into 3 sections from left to right: oscillators/envelopes, then filter and LFO's, and in the right column you have mod routings and global settings. for the oscillator section you have two normal oscillators (sine, saw, square, noise), the second of which is tunable, the first one tunes with the key pressed. Attached to OSC 1 is a sub-oscillator, which is a sawtooth wave tuned one octave down. The phase modulation controls the point in the duty cycle at which the oscillator starts. The ADSR envelope sliders (grouped with oscs) are for modulation envelope 1 and 2 respectively. you can use the synth as a sampler by choosing the instrument at the top. In the filter column, the filter settings are: 1 = lowpass, 2 = highpass, 3 = off. cutoff and resonance. For the LFOs they are LFO 1 and LFO 2, the ADSR sliders in those are for the LFO itself. For the modulation routings you have ENV 1, LFO 1 for the first slider and ENV 2, LFO 2 for the second, you can cycle through the individual routings there, and you can route each modulation source to multiple destinations of course, which is another big plus for this synth. Finally the glide time is for portamento and master volume, well, the master volume... it can go quite loud. The sequencer is changed too, It's more like the one in AXS if you've used that, where you can mute tracks to re-use patterns with variation. <pre> Support for the following modules formats: 669 (Composer 669, Unis 669), AMF (DSMI Advanced Module Format), AMF (ASYLUM Music Format V1.0), APUN (APlayer), DSM (DSIK internal format), FAR (Farandole Composer), GDM (General DigiMusic), IT (Impulse Tracker), IMF (Imago Orpheus), MOD (15 and 31 instruments), MED (OctaMED), MTM (MultiTracker Module editor), OKT (Amiga Oktalyzer), S3M (Scream Tracker 3), STM (Scream Tracker), STX (Scream Tracker Music Interface Kit), ULT (UltraTracker), UNI (MikMod), XM (FastTracker 2), Mid (midi format via timidity) </pre> Possible plugin options include [http://lv2plug.in/ LV2], ====Midi - Musical Instrument Digital Interface==== A midi file typically contains music that plays on up to 16 channels (as per the midi standard), but many notes can simultaneously play on each channel (depending on the limit of the midi hardware playing it). '''Timidity''' Although usually already installed, you can uncompress the [http://www.libsdl.org/projects/SDL_mixer/ timidity.tar.gz (14MB)] into a suitable drawer like below's SYS:Extras/Audio/ assign timidity: SYS:Extras/Audio/timidity added to SYSːs/User-Startup '''WildMidi playback''' '''Audio Evolution 4 (2003) 4.0.23 (from 2012)''' *Sync Menu - CAMD Receive, Send checked *Options Menu - MIDI Machine Control - Midi Bar Display - Select CAMD MIDI in / out - Midi Remote Setup MCB Master Control Bus *Sending a MIDI start-command and a Song Position Pointer, you can synchronize audio with an external MIDI sequencer (like B&P). *B&P Receive, start AE, add AudioEvolution.ptool in Bars&Pipes track, press play / record in AE then press play in Pipes *CAMD Receive, receive MIDI start or continue commands via camd.library sync to AE *MIDI Machine Control *Midi Bar Display *Select CAMD MIDI in / out *Midi Remote Setup - open requester for external MIDI controllers to control app mixer and transport controls cc remotely Channel - mixer(vol, pan, mute, solo), eq, aux, fx, Subgroup - Volume, Mute, Solo Transport - Start, End, Play, Stop, Record, Rewind, Forward Misc - Master vol., Bank Down, Bank up <pre> q - quit First 3 already opened when AE started F1 - timeline window F2 - mixer F3 - control F4 - subgroups F5 - aux returns F6 - sample list i - Load sample to use space - start/stop play b - reset time 0:00 s - split mode r - open recording window a - automation edit mode with p panning, m mute and v volume [ / ] - zoom in / out : - previous track * - next track x c v f - cut copy paste cross-fade g - snap grid </pre> '''[http://bnp.hansfaust.de/ Bars n Pipes sequencer]''' BarsnPipes debug ... in shell Menu (right mouse) *Song - Songs load and save in .song format but option here to load/save Midi_Files .mid in FORMAT0 or FORMAT1 *Track - *Edit - *Tool - *Timing - SMTPE Synchronizing *Windows - *Preferences - Multiple MIDI-in option Windows (some of these are usually already opened when Bars n Pipes starts up for the first time) *Workflow -> Tracks, .... Song Construction, Time-line Scoring, Media Madness, Mix Maestro, *Control -> Transport (or mini one), Windows (which collects all the Windows icons together-shortcut), .... Toolbox, Accessories, Metronome, Once you have your windows placed on the screen that suits your workflow, Song -> Save as Default will save the positions, colors, icons, etc as you'd like them If you need a particular setup of Tracks, Tools, Tempos etc, you save them all as a new song you can load each time Right mouse menu -> Preferences -> Environment... -> ScreenMode - Linkages for Synch (to Slave) usbmidi.out.0 and Send (Master) usbmidi.in.0 - Clock MTC '''Tracks''' #Double-click on B&P's icon. B&P will then open with an empty Song. You can also double-click on a song icon to open a song in B&P. #Choose a track. The B&P screen will contain a Tracks Window with a number of tracks shown as pipelines (Track 1, Track 2, etc...). To choose a track, simply click on the gray box to show an arrow-icon to highlight it. This icon show whether a track is chosen or not. To the right of the arrow-icon, you can see the icon for the midi-input. If you double-click on this icon you can change the MIDI-in setup. #Choose Record for the track. To the right of the MIDI-input channel icon you can see a pipe. This leads to another clickable icon with that shows either P, R or M. This stands for Play, Record or Merge. To change the icon, simply click on it. If you choose P, this track can only play the track (you can't record anything). If you choose R, you can record what you play and it overwrites old stuff in the track. If you choose M, you merge new records with old stuff in the track. Choose R now to be able to make a record. #Chose MIDI-channel. On the most right part of the track you can see an icon with a number in it. This is the MIDI-channel selector. Here you must choose a MIDI-channel that is available on your synthesizer/keyboard. If you choose General MIDI channel 10, most synthesizer will play drum sounds. To the left of this icon is the MIDI-output icon. Double-click on this icon to change the MIDI-output configuration. #Start recording. The next step is to start recording. You must then find the control buttons (they look like buttons on a CD-player). To be able to make a record. you must click on the R icon. You can simply now press the play button (after you have pressed the R button) and play something on you keyboard. To playback your composition, press the Play button on the control panel. #Edit track. To edit a track, you simply double click in the middle part of a track. You will then get a new window containing the track, where you can change what you have recorded using tools provided. Take also a look in the drop-down menus for more features. Videos to help understand [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6gVTX-9900 small intro], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abq_rUTiSA4&t=3s Overview], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixOVutKsYQo Workplace Setup CC PC Sysex], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDnJLYPaZTs Import Song], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC3kkzPLkv4 Tempo Mapping], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd23kqMYPDs ptool Arpeggi-8], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDJq-YxgwQg PlayMidi Song], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY9Pu5P9TaU Amiga Midi], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abq_rUTiSA4 Learning Amiga bars and Pipes], Groups like [https://groups.io/g/barsnpipes/topics this] could help '''Tracks window''' * blue "1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Group" and transport tape deck VCR-type controls * Flags * [http://theproblem.alco-rhythm.com/org/bp.html Track 1, Track2, to Track 16, on each Track there are many options that can be activated] Each Track has a *Left LHS - Click in grey box to select what Track to work on, Midi-In ptool icon should be here (5pin plug icon), and many more from the Toolbox on the Input Pipeline *Middle - (P, R, M) Play, Record, Merge/Multi before the sequencer line and a blue/red/yellow (Thru Mute Play) Tap *Right RHS - Output pipeline, can have icons placed uopn it with the final ptool icon(s) being the 5pin icon symbol for Midi-OUT Clogged pipelines may need Esc pressed several times '''Toolbox (tools affect the chosen pipeline)''' After opening the Toolbox window you can add extra Tools (.ptool) for the pipelines like keyboard(virtual), midimonitor, quick patch, transpose, triad, (un)quantize, feedback in/out, velocity etc right mouse -> Toolbox menu option -> Install Tool... and navigate to Tool drawer (folder) and select requried .ptool Accompany B tool to get some sort of rythmic accompaniment, Rythm Section and Groove Quantize are examples of other tools that make use of rythms [https://aminet.net/search?query=bars Bars & Pipes pattern format .ptrn] for drawer (folder). Load from the Menu as Track or Group '''Accessories (affect the whole app)''' Accessories -> Install... and goto the Accessories drawer for .paccess like adding ARexx scripting support '''Song Construction''' <pre> F1 Pencil F2 Magic Wand F3 Hand F4 Duplicator F5 Eraser F6 Toolpad F7 Bounding box F8 Lock to A-B-A A-B-A strip, section, edit flags, white boxes, </pre> Bars&Pipes Professional offers three track formats; basic song tracks, linear tracks — which don't loop — and finally real‑time tracks. The difference between them is that both song and linear tracks respond to tempo changes, while real‑time tracks use absolute timing, always trigger at the same instant regardless of tempo alterations '''Tempo Map''' F1 Pencil F2 Magic Wand F3 Hand F4 Eraser F5 Curve F6 Toolpad Compositions Lyrics, Key, Rhythm, Time Signature '''Master Parameters''' Key, Scale/Mode '''Track Parameters''' Dynamics '''Time-line Scoring''' '''Media Madness''' '''Mix Maestro''' *ACCESSORIES Allows the importation of other packages and additional modules *CLIPBOARD Full cut, copy and paste operations, enabling user‑definable clips to be shared between tracks. *INFORMATION A complete rundown on the state of the current production and your machine. *MASTER PARAMETERS Enables global definition of time signatures, lyrics, scales, chords, dynamics and rhythm changes. *MEDIA MADNESS A complete multimedia sequencer which allows samples, stills, animation, etc *METRONOME Tempo feedback via MIDI, internal Amiga audio and colour cycling — all three can be mixed and matched as required. *MIX MAESTRO Completely automated mixdown with control for both volume and pan. All fader alterations are memorised by the software *RECORD ACTIVATION Complete specification of the data to be recorded/merged. Allows overdubbing of pitch‑bend, program changes, modulation etc *SET FLAGS Numeric positioning of location and edit flags in either SMPTE or musical time *SONG CONSTRUCTION Large‑scale cut and paste of individual measures, verses or chorus, by means of bounding box and drag‑n‑drop mouse selections *TEMPO MAP Tempo change using a variety of linear and non‑linear transition curves *TEMPO PALETTE Instant tempo changes courtesy of four user‑definable settings. *TIMELINE SCORING Sequencing of a selection of songs over a defined period — ideal for planning an entire set for a live performance. *TOOLBOX Selection screen for the hundreds of signal‑processing tools available *TRACKS Opens the main track window to enable recording, editing and the use of tools. *TRANSPORT Main playback control window, which also provides access to user‑ defined flags, loop and punch‑in record modes. Bars and Pipes Pro 2.5 is using internal 4-Byte IDs, to check which kind of data are currently processed. Especially in all its files the IDs play an important role. The IDs are stored into the file in the same order they are laid out in the memory. In a Bars 'N' Pipes file (no matter which kind) the ID "NAME" (saved as its ANSI-values) is stored on a big endian system (68k-computer) as "NAME". On a little endian system (x86 PC computer) as "EMAN". The target is to make the AROS-BnP compatible to songs, which were stored on a 68k computer (AMIGA). If possible, setting MIDI channels for Local Control for your keyboard http://www.fromwithin.com/liquidmidi/archive.shtml MIDI files are essentially a stream of event data. An event can be many things, but typically "note on", "note off", "program change", "controller change", or messages that instruct a MIDI compatible synth how to play a given bit of music. * Channel - 1 to 16 - * Messages - PC presets, CC effects like delays, reverbs, etc * Sequencing - MIDI instruments, Drums, Sound design, * Recording - * GUI - Piano roll or Tracker, Staves and Notes MIDI events/messages like step entry e.g. Note On, Note Off MIDI events/messages like PB, PC, CC, Mono and Poly After-Touch, Sysex, etc MIDI sync - Midi Clocks (SPS Measures), Midi Time Code (h, m, s and frames) SMPTE Individual track editing with audition edits so easier to test any changes. Possible to stop track playback, mix clips from the right edit flag and scroll the display using arrow keys. Step entry, to extend a selected note hit the space bar and the note grows accordingly. Ability to cancel mouse‑driven edits by simply clicking the right mouse button — at which point everything snaps back into its original form. Lyrics can now be put in with syllable dividers, even across an entire measure or section. Autoranging when you open a edit window, the notes are automatically displayed — working from the lowest upwards. Flag editing, shift‑click on a flag immediately open the bounds window, ready for numeric input. Ability to cancel edits using the right‑hand mouse button, plus much improved Bounding Box operations. Icons other than the BarsnPipes icon -> PUBSCREEN=BarsnPipes (cannot choose modes higher than 8bit 256 colors) Preferences -> Menu in Tracks window - Send MIDI defaults OFF Prefs -> Environment -> screenmode (saved to BarsnPipes.prefs binary file) Customization -> pics in gui drawer (folder) - Can save as .song files and .mid General Midi SMF is a “Standard Midi File” ([http://www.music.mcgill.ca/~ich/classes/mumt306/StandardMIDIfileformat.html SMF0, SMF1 and SMF2]), [https://github.com/stump/libsmf libsmf], [https://github.com/markc/midicomp MIDIcomp], [https://github.com/MajicDesigns/MD_MIDIFile C++ src], [], [https://github.com/newdigate/midi-smf-reader Midi player], * SMF0 All MIDI data is stored in one track only, separated exclusively by the MIDI channel. * SMF1 The MIDI data is stored in separate tracks/channels. * SMF2 (rarely used) The MIDI data is stored in separate tracks, which are additionally wrapped in containers, so it's possible to have e.g. several tracks using the same MIDI channels. Would it be possible to enrich Bars N’Pipes with software synth and sample support along with audio recording and mastering tools like in the named MAC or PC music sequencers? On the classic AMIGA-OS this is not possible because of missing CPU-power. The hardware of the classic AMIGA is not further developed. So we must say (unfortunately) that those dreams can’t become reality BarsnPipes is best used with external MIDI-equipment. This can be a keyboard or synthesizer with MIDI-connectors. <pre> MIDI can control 16 channels There are USB-MIDI-Interfaces on the market with 16 independent MIDI-lines (multi-port), which can handle 16 MIDI devices independently – 16×16 = 256 independent MIDI-channels or instruments handle up to 16 different USB-MIDI-Interfaces (multi-device). That is: 16X16X16 = 4096 independent MIDI-channels – theoretically </pre> <pre> Librarian MIDI SYStem EXplorer (sysex) - PatchEditor and used to be supplied as a separate program like PatchMeister but currently not at present It should support MIDI.library (PD), BlueRibbon.library (B&P), TriplePlayPlus, and CAMD.library (DeluxeMusic) and MIDI information from a device's user manual and configure a custom interface to access parameters for all MIDI products connected to the system Supports ALL MIDI events and the Patch/Librarian data is stored in MIDI standard format Annette M.Crowling, Missing Link Software, Inc. </pre> Composers <pre> [https://x.com/hirasawa/status/1403686519899054086 Susumu Hirasawa] </pre> <pre> 1988 Todor Fay and his wife Melissa Jordan Gray, who founded the Blue Ribbon Inc 1992 Bars&Pipes Pro published November 2000, Todor Fay announcement to release the sourcecode of Bars&Pipes Pro 2.5c beta end of May 2001, the source of the main program and the sources of some tools and accessories were in a complete and compileable state end of October 2009 stop further development of BarsnPipes New for now on all supported systems and made freeware 2013 Alfred Faust diagnosed with incureable illness, called „Myastenia gravis“ (weak muscles) </pre> Protrekkr How to use Midi In/Out in Protrekkr ? First of all, midi in & out capabilities of this program are rather limited. # Go to Misc. Setup section and select a midi in or out device to use (ptk only supports one device at a time). # Go to instrument section, and select a MIDI PRG (the default is N/A, which means no midi program selected). # Go to track section and here you can assign a midi channel to each track of ptk. # Play notes :]. Note off works. F'x' note cut command also works too, and note-volume command (speed) is supported. Also, you can change midicontrollers in the tracker, using '90' in the panning row: <pre> C-3 02 .. .. 0000.... --- .. .. 90 xxyy.... << This will set the value --- .. .. .. 0000.... of the controller n.'xx' to 'yy' (both in hex) --- .. .. .. 0000.... </pre> So "--- .. .. 90 2040...." will set the controller number $20(32) to $40(64). You will need the midi implementation table of your gear to know what you can change with midi controller messages. N.B. Not all MIDI devices are created equal! Although the MIDI specification defines a large range of MIDI messages of various kinds, not every MIDI device is required to work in exactly the same way and respond to all the available messages and ways of working. For example, we don't expect a wind synthesiser to work in the same way as a home keyboard. Some devices, the older ones perhaps, are only able to respond to a single channel. With some of those devices that channel can be altered from the default of 1 (probably) to another channel of the 16 possible. Other devices, for instance monophonic synthesisers, are capable of producing just one note at a time, on one MIDI channel. Others can produce many notes spread across many channels. Further devices can respond to, and transmit, "breath controller" data (MIDI controller number 2 (CC#2)) others may respond to the reception of CC#2 but not be able to create and to send it. A controller keyboard may be capable of sending "expression pedal" data, but another device may not be capable of responding to that message. Some devices just have the basic GM sound set. The "voice" or "instrument" is selected using a "Program Change" message on its own. Other devices have a greater selection of voices, usually arranged in "banks", and the choice of instrument is made by responding to "Bank Select MSB" (MIDI controller 0 (CC#0)), others use "Bank Select LSB" (MIDI controller number 32 (CC#32)), yet others use both MSB and LSB sent one after the other, all followed by the Program Change message. The detailed information about all the different voices will usually be available in a published MIDI Data List. MIDI Implementation Chart But in the User Manual there is sometimes a summary of how the device works, in terms of MIDI, in the chart at the back of the manual, the MIDI Implementation Chart. If you require two devices to work together you can compare the two implementation charts to see if they are "compatible". In order to do this we will need to interpret that chart. The chart is divided into four columns headed "Function", "Transmitted" (or "Tx"), "Received" (or "Rx"), or more correctly "Recognised", and finally, "Remarks". <pre> The left hand column defines which MIDI functions are being described. The 2nd column defines what the device in question is capable of transmitting to another device. The 3rd column defines what the device is capable of responding to. The 4th column is for explanations of the values contained within these previous two columns. </pre> There should then be twelve sections, with possibly a thirteenth containing extra "Notes". Finally there should be an explanation of the four MIDI "modes" and what the "X" and the "O" mean. <pre> Mode 1: Omni On, Poly; Mode 2: Omni On, Mono; Mode 3: Omni Off, Poly; Mode 4: Omni Off, Mono. </pre> O means "yes" (implemented), X means "no" (not implemented). Sometimes you will find a row of asterisks "**************", these seem to indicate that the data is not applicable in this case. Seen in the transmitted field only (unless you've seen otherwise). Lastly you may find against some entries an asterisk followed by a number e.g. *1, these will refer you to further information, often on a following page, giving more detail. Basic Channel But the very first set of boxes will tell us the "Basic Channel(s)" that the device sends or receives on. "Default" is what happens when the device is first turned on, "changed" is what a switch of some kind may allow the device to be set to. For many devices e.g. a GM sound module or a home keyboard, this would be 1-16 for both. That is it can handle sending and receiving on all MIDI channels. On other devices, for example a synthesiser, it may by default only work on channel 1. But the keyboard could be "split" with the lower notes e.g. on channel 2. If the synth has an arppegiator, this may be able to be set to transmit and or receive on yet another channel. So we might see the default as "1" but the changed as "1-16". Modes. We need to understand Omni On and Off, and Mono and Poly, then we can decipher the four modes. But first we need to understand that any of these four Mode messages can be sent to any MIDI channel. They don't necessarily apply to the whole device. If we send an "Omni On" message (CC#125) to a MIDI channel of a device, we are, in effect, asking it to respond to e.g. a Note On / Off message pair, received on any of the sixteen channels. Sound strange? Read it again. Still strange? It certainly is. We normally want a MIDI channel to respond only to Note On / Off messages sent on that channel, not any other. In other words, "Omni Off". So "Omni Off" (CC#124) tells a channel of our MIDI device to respond only to messages sent on that MIDI channel. "Poly" (CC#127) is for e.g. a channel of a polyphonic sound module, or a home keyboard, to be able to respond to many simultaneous Note On / Off message pairs at once and produce musical chords. "Mono" (CC#126) allows us to set a channel to respond as if it were e.g. a flute or a trumpet, playing just one note at a time. If the device is capable of it, then the overlapping of notes will produce legato playing, that is the attack portion of the second note of two overlapping notes will be removed resulting in a "smoother" transition. So a channel with a piano voice assigned to it will have Omni Off, Poly On (Mode 3), a channel with a saxophone voice assigned could be Omni Off, Mono On (Mode 4). We call these combinations the four modes, 1 to 4, as defined above. Most modern devices will have their channels set to Mode 3 (Omni Off, Poly) but be switchable, on a per channel basis, to Mode 4 (Omni Off, Mono). This second section of data will include first its default value i.e. upon device switch on. Then what Mode messages are acceptable, or X if none. Finally, in the "Altered" field, how a Mode message that can't be implemented will be interpreted. Usually there will just be a row of asterisks effectively meaning nothing will be done if you try to switch to an unimplemented mode. Note Number <pre> The next row will tell us which MIDI notes the device can send or receive, normally 0-127. The second line, "True Voice" has the following in the MIDI specification: "Range of received note numbers falling within the range of true notes produced by the instrument." My interpretation is that, for instance, a MIDI piano may be capable of sending all MIDI notes (0 to 127) by transposition, but only responding to the 88 notes (21 to 108) of a real piano. </pre> Velocity This will tell us whether the device we're looking at will handle note velocity, and what range from 1-127, or maybe just 64, it transmits or will recognise. So usually "O" plus a range or "X" for not implemented. After touch This may have one or two lines two it. If a one liner the either "O" or "X", yes or no. If a two liner then it may include "Keys" or "Poly" and "Channel". This will show whether the device will respond to Polyphonic after touch or channel after touch or neither. Pitch Bend Again "O" for implemented, "X" for not implemented. (Many stage pianos will have no pitch bend capability.) It may also, in the notes section, state whether it will respond to the full 14 bits, or not, as usually encoded by the pitch bend wheel. Control Change This is likely to be the largest section of the chart. It will list all those controllers, starting from CC#0, Bank Select MSB, which the device is capable of sending, and those that it will respond to using "O" or "X" respectively. You will, almost certainly, get some further explanation of functionality in the remarks column, or in more detail elsewhere in the documentation. Of course you will need to know what all the various controller numbers do. Lots of the official technical specifications can be found at the [www.midi.org/techspecs/ MMA], with the table of messages and control change [www.midi.org/techspecs/midimessages.php message numbers] Program Change Again "O" or "X" in the Transmitted or Recognised column to indicate whether or not the feature is implemented. In addition a range of numbers is shown, typically 0-127, to show what is available. True # (number): "The range of the program change numbers which correspond to the actual number of patches selected." System Exclusive Used to indicate whether or not the device can send or recognise System Exclusive messages. A short description is often given in the Remarks field followed by a detailed explanation elsewhere in the documentation. System Common - These include the following: <pre> MIDI Time Code Quarter Frame messages (device synchronisation). Song Position Pointer Song Select Tune Request </pre> The section will indicate whether or not the device can send or respond to any of these messages. System Real Time These include the following: <pre> Timing Clock - often just written as "Clock" Start Stop Continue </pre> These three are usually just referred to as "Commands" and listed. Again the section will indicate which, if any, of these messages the device can send or respond to. <pre> Aux. Messages Again "O" or "X" for implemented or not. Aux. = Auxiliary. Active Sense = Active Sensing. </pre> Often with an explanation of the action of the device. Notes The "Notes" section can contain any additional comments to clarify the particular implementation. Some of the explanations have been drawn directly from the MMA MIDI 1.0 Detailed Specification. And the detailed explanation of some of the functions will be found there, or in the General MIDI System Level 1 or General MIDI System Level 2 documents also published by the MMA. OFFICIAL MIDI SPECIFICATIONS SUMMARY OF MIDI MESSAGES Table 1 - Summary of MIDI Messages The following table lists the major MIDI messages in numerical (binary) order (adapted from "MIDI by the Numbers" by D. Valenti, Electronic Musician 2/88, and updated by the MIDI Manufacturers Association.). This table is intended as an overview of MIDI, and is by no means complete. WARNING! Details about implementing these messages can dramatically impact compatibility with other products. We strongly recommend consulting the official MIDI Specifications for additional information. MIDI 1.0 Specification Message Summary Channel Voice Messages [nnnn = 0-15 (MIDI Channel Number 1-16)] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Status D7----D0 ! width="10%" |Data Byte(s) D7----D0 ! width="20%" |Description |- |<!--Status-->1000nnnn || <!--Data-->0kkkkkkk 0vvvvvvv || <!--Description-->Note Off event. This message is sent when a note is released (ended). (kkkkkkk) is the key (note) number. (vvvvvvv) is the velocity. |- |<!--Status-->1001nnnn || <!--Data-->0kkkkkkk 0vvvvvvv || <!--Description-->Note On event. This message is sent when a note is depressed (start). (kkkkkkk) is the key (note) number. (vvvvvvv) is the velocity. |- |<!--Status-->1010nnnn || <!--Data-->0kkkkkkk 0vvvvvvv || <!--Description-->Polyphonic Key Pressure (Aftertouch). This message is most often sent by pressing down on the key after it "bottoms out". (kkkkkkk) is the key (note) number. (vvvvvvv) is the pressure value. |- |<!--Status-->1011nnnn || <!--Data-->0ccccccc 0vvvvvvv || <!--Description-->Control Change. This message is sent when a controller value changes. Controllers include devices such as pedals and levers. Controller numbers 120-127 are reserved as "Channel Mode Messages" (below). (ccccccc) is the controller number (0-119). (vvvvvvv) is the controller value (0-127). |- |<!--Status-->1100nnnn || <!--Data-->0ppppppp || <!--Description-->Program Change. This message sent when the patch number changes. (ppppppp) is the new program number. |- |<!--Status-->1101nnnn || <!--Data-->0vvvvvvv || <!--Description-->Channel Pressure (After-touch). This message is most often sent by pressing down on the key after it "bottoms out". This message is different from polyphonic after-touch. Use this message to send the single greatest pressure value (of all the current depressed keys). (vvvvvvv) is the pressure value. |- |<!--Status-->1110nnnn || <!--Data-->0lllllll 0mmmmmmm || <!--Description-->Pitch Bend Change. This message is sent to indicate a change in the pitch bender (wheel or lever, typically). The pitch bender is measured by a fourteen bit value. Center (no pitch change) is 2000H. Sensitivity is a function of the receiver, but may be set using RPN 0. (lllllll) are the least significant 7 bits. (mmmmmmm) are the most significant 7 bits. |} Channel Mode Messages (See also Control Change, above) {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Status D7----D0 ! width="10%" |Data Byte(s) D7----D0 ! width="20%" |Description |- |<!--Status-->1011nnnn || <!--Data-->0ccccccc 0vvvvvvv || <!--Description-->Channel Mode Messages. This the same code as the Control Change (above), but implements Mode control and special message by using reserved controller numbers 120-127. The commands are: *All Sound Off. When All Sound Off is received all oscillators will turn off, and their volume envelopes are set to zero as soon as possible c = 120, v = 0: All Sound Off *Reset All Controllers. When Reset All Controllers is received, all controller values are reset to their default values. (See specific Recommended Practices for defaults) c = 121, v = x: Value must only be zero unless otherwise allowed in a specific Recommended Practice. *Local Control. When Local Control is Off, all devices on a given channel will respond only to data received over MIDI. Played data, etc. will be ignored. Local Control On restores the functions of the normal controllers. c = 122, v = 0: Local Control Off c = 122, v = 127: Local Control On * All Notes Off. When an All Notes Off is received, all oscillators will turn off. c = 123, v = 0: All Notes Off (See text for description of actual mode commands.) c = 124, v = 0: Omni Mode Off c = 125, v = 0: Omni Mode On c = 126, v = M: Mono Mode On (Poly Off) where M is the number of channels (Omni Off) or 0 (Omni On) c = 127, v = 0: Poly Mode On (Mono Off) (Note: These four messages also cause All Notes Off) |} System Common Messages System Messages (0xF0) The final status nybble is a “catch all” for data that doesn’t fit the other statuses. They all use the most significant nybble (4bits) of 0xF, with the least significant nybble indicating the specific category. The messages are denoted when the MSB of the second nybble is 1. When that bit is a 0, the messages fall into two other subcategories. System Common If the MSB of the second second nybble (4 bits) is not set, this indicates a System Common message. Most of these are messages that include some additional data bytes. System Common Messages Type Status Byte Number of Data Bytes Usage <pre> Time Code Quarter Frame 0xF1 1 Indicates timing using absolute time code, primarily for synthronization with video playback systems. A single location requires eight messages to send the location in an encoded hours:minutes:seconds:frames format*. Song Position 0xF2 2 Instructs a sequencer to jump to a new position in the song. The data bytes form a 14-bit value that expresses the location as the number of sixteenth notes from the start of the song. Song Select 0xF3 1 Instructs a sequencer to select a new song. The data byte indicates the song. Undefined 0xF4 0 Undefined 0xF5 0 Tune Request 0xF6 0 Requests that the receiver retunes itself**. </pre> *MIDI Time Code (MTC) is significantly complex. Please see the MIDI Specification **While modern digital instruments are good at staying in tune, older analog synthesizers were prone to tuning drift. Some analog synthesizers had an automatic tuning operation that could be initiated with this command. System Exclusive If you’ve been keeping track, you’ll notice there are two status bytes not yet defined: 0xf0 and 0xf7. These are used by the System Exclusive message, often abbreviated at SysEx. SysEx provides a path to send arbitrary data over a MIDI connection. There is a group of predefined messages for complex data, like fine grained control of MIDI Time code machinery. SysEx is also used to send manufacturer defined data, such as patches, or even firmware updates. System Exclusive messages are longer than other MIDI messages, and can be any length. The messages are of the following format: 0xF0, 0xID, 0xdd, ...... 0xF7 The message is bookended with distinct bytes. It opens with the Start Of Exclusive (SOX) data byte, 0xF0. The next one to three bytes after the start are an identifier. Values from 0x01 to 0x7C are one-byte vendor IDs, assigned to manufacturers who were involved with MIDI at the beginning. If the ID is 0x00, it’s a three-byte vendor ID - the next two bytes of the message are the value. <pre> ID 0x7D is a placeholder for non-commercial entities. ID 0x7E indicates a predefined Non-realtime SysEx message. ID 0x7F indicates a predefined Realtime SysEx message. </pre> After the ID is the data payload, sent as a stream of bytes. The transfer concludes with the End of Exclusive (EOX) byte, 0xF7. The payload data must follow the guidelines for MIDI data bytes – the MSB must not be set, so only 7 bits per byte are actually usable. If the MSB is set, it falls into three possible scenarios. An End of Exclusive byte marks the ordinary termination of the SysEx transfer. System Real Time messages may occur within the transfer without interrupting it. The recipient should handle them independently of the SysEx transfer. Other status bytes implicitly terminate the SysEx transfer and signal the start of new messages. Some inexpensive USB-to-MIDI interfaces aren’t capable of handling messages longer than four bytes. {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Status D7----D0 ! width="10%" |Data Byte(s) D7----D0 ! width="20%" |Description |- |<!--Status-->11110000 || <!--Data-->0iiiiiii [0iiiiiii 0iiiiiii] 0ddddddd --- --- 0ddddddd 11110111 || <!--Description-->System Exclusive. This message type allows manufacturers to create their own messages (such as bulk dumps, patch parameters, and other non-spec data) and provides a mechanism for creating additional MIDI Specification messages. The Manufacturer's ID code (assigned by MMA or AMEI) is either 1 byte (0iiiiiii) or 3 bytes (0iiiiiii 0iiiiiii 0iiiiiii). Two of the 1 Byte IDs are reserved for extensions called Universal Exclusive Messages, which are not manufacturer-specific. If a device recognizes the ID code as its own (or as a supported Universal message) it will listen to the rest of the message (0ddddddd). Otherwise, the message will be ignored. (Note: Only Real-Time messages may be interleaved with a System Exclusive.) |- |<!--Status-->11110001 || <!--Data-->0nnndddd || <!--Description-->MIDI Time Code Quarter Frame. nnn = Message Type dddd = Values |- |<!--Status-->11110010 || <!--Data-->0lllllll 0mmmmmmm || <!--Description-->Song Position Pointer. This is an internal 14 bit register that holds the number of MIDI beats (1 beat= six MIDI clocks) since the start of the song. l is the LSB, m the MSB. |- |<!--Status-->11110011 || <!--Data-->0sssssss || <!--Description-->Song Select. The Song Select specifies which sequence or song is to be played. |- |<!--Status-->11110100 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Undefined. (Reserved) |- |<!--Status-->11110101 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Undefined. (Reserved) |- |<!--Status-->11110110 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Tune Request. Upon receiving a Tune Request, all analog synthesizers should tune their oscillators. |- |<!--Status-->11110111 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->End of Exclusive. Used to terminate a System Exclusive dump. |} System Real-Time Messages {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Status D7----D0 ! width="10%" |Data Byte(s) D7----D0 ! width="20%" |Description |- |<!--Status-->11111000 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Timing Clock. Sent 24 times per quarter note when synchronization is required. |- |<!--Status-->11111001 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Undefined. (Reserved) |- |<!--Status-->11111010 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Start. Start the current sequence playing. (This message will be followed with Timing Clocks). |- |<!--Status-->11111011 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Continue. Continue at the point the sequence was Stopped. |- |<!--Status-->11111100 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Stop. Stop the current sequence. |- |<!--Status-->11111101 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Undefined. (Reserved) |- |<!--Status-->11111110 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Active Sensing. This message is intended to be sent repeatedly to tell the receiver that a connection is alive. Use of this message is optional. When initially received, the receiver will expect to receive another Active Sensing message each 300ms (max), and if it does not then it will assume that the connection has been terminated. At termination, the receiver will turn off all voices and return to normal (non- active sensing) operation. |- |<!--Status-->11111111 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Reset. Reset all receivers in the system to power-up status. This should be used sparingly, preferably under manual control. In particular, it should not be sent on power-up. |} Advanced Messages Polyphonic Pressure (0xA0) and Channel Pressure (0xD0) Some MIDI controllers include a feature known as Aftertouch. While a key is being held down, the player can press harder on the key. The controller measures this, and converts it into MIDI messages. Aftertouch comes in two flavors, with two different status messages. The first flavor is polyphonic aftertouch, where every key on the controller is capable of sending its own independent pressure information. The messages are of the following format: <pre> 0xnc, 0xkk, 0xpp n is the status (0xA) c is the channel nybble kk is the key number (0 to 127) pp is the pressure value (0 to 127) </pre> Polyphonic aftertouch is an uncommon feature, usually found on premium quality instruments, because every key requires a separate pressure sensor, plus the circuitry to read them all. Much more commonly found is channel aftertouch. Instead of needing a discrete sensor per key, it uses a single, larger sensor to measure pressure on all of the keys as a group. The messages omit the key number, leaving a two-byte format <pre> 0xnc, 0xpp n is the status (0xD) c is the channel number pp is the pressure value (0 to 127) </pre> Pitch Bend (0xE0) Many keyboards have a wheel or lever towards the left of the keys for pitch bend control. This control is usually spring-loaded, so it snaps back to the center of its range when released. This allows for both upward and downward bends. Pitch Bend Wheel The wheel sends pitch bend messages, of the format <pre> 0xnc, 0xLL, 0xMM n is the status (0xE) c is the channel number LL is the 7 least-significant bits of the value MM is the 7 most-significant bits of the value </pre> You’ll notice that the bender data is actually 14 bits long, transmitted as two 7-bit data bytes. This means that the recipient needs to reassemble those bytes using binary manipulation. 14 bits results in an overall range of 214, or 0 to 16,383. Because it defaults to the center of the range, the default value for the bender is halfway through that range, at 8192 (0x2000). Control Change (0xB0) In addition to pitch bend, MIDI has provisions for a wider range of expressive controls, sometimes known as continuous controllers, often abbreviated CC. These are transmitted by the remaining knobs and sliders on the keyboard controller shown below. Continuous Controllers These controls send the following message format: <pre> 0xnc, 0xcc, 0xvv n is the status (0xB) c is the MIDI channel cc is the controller number (0-127) vv is the controller value (0-127) </pre> Typically, the wheel next to the bender sends controller number one, assigned to modulation (or vibrato) depth. It is implemented by most instruments. The remaining controller number assignments are another point of confusion. The MIDI specification was revised in version 2.0 to assign uses for many of the controllers. However, this implementation is not universal, and there are ranges of unassigned controllers. On many modern MIDI devices, the controllers are assignable. On the controller keyboard shown in the photos, the various controls can be configured to transmit different controller numbers. Controller numbers can be mapped to particular parameters. Virtual synthesizers frequently allow the user to assign CCs to the on-screen controls. This is very flexible, but it might require configuration on both ends of the link and completely bypasses the assignments in the standard. Program Change (0xC0) Most synthesizers have patch storage memory, and can be told to change patches using the following command: <pre> 0xnc, 0xpp n is the status (0xc) c is the channel pp is the patch number (0-127) </pre> This allows for 128 sounds to be selected, but modern instruments contain many more than 128 patches. Controller #0 is used as an additional layer of addressing, interpreted as a “bank select” command. Selecting a sound on such an instrument might involve two messages: a bank select controller message, then a program change. Audio & Midi are not synchronized, what I can do ? Buy a commercial software package but there is a nasty trick to synchronize both. It's a bit hardcore but works for me: Simply put one line down to all midi notes on your pattern (use Insert key) and go to 'Misc. Setup', adjust the latency and just search a value that will make sound sync both audio/midi. The stock Sin/Saw/Pulse and Rnd waveforms are too simple/common, is there a way to use something more complex/rich ? You have to ability to redirect the waveforms of the instruments through the synth pipe by selecting the "wav" option for the oscillator you're using for this synth instrument, samples can be used as wavetables to replace the stock signals. Sound banks like soundfont (sf2) or Kontakt2 are not supported at the moment ====DAW Audio Evolution 4==== Audio Evolution 4 gives you unsurpassed power for digital audio recording and editing on the Amiga. The latest release focusses on time-saving non-linear and non-destructive editing, as seen on other platforms. Besides editing, Audio Evolution 4 offers a wide range of realtime effects, including compression, noise gate, delays, reverb, chorus and 3-band EQ. Whether you put them as inserts on a channel or use them as auxillaries, the effect parameters are realtime adjustable and can be fully automated. Together with all other mixing parameters, they can even be controlled remotely, using more ergonomic MIDI hardware. Non-linear editing on the time line, including cut, copy, paste, move, split, trim and crossfade actions The number of tracks per project(s) is unlimited .... AHI limits you to recording only two at a time. i.e. not on 8 track sound cards like the Juli@ or Phase 88. sample file import is limited to 16bit AIFF (not AIFC, important distinction as some files from other sources can be AIFC with aiff file extention). and 16bit WAV (pcm only) Most apps use the Music Unit only but a few apps also use Unit (0-3) instead or as well. * Set up AHI prefs so that microphone is available. (Input option near the bottom) stereo++ allows the audio piece to be placed anywhere and the left-right adjusted to sound positionally right hifi best for music playback if driver supports this option Load 16bit .aif .aiff only sample(s) to use not AIFC which can have the same ending. AIFF stands for Audio Interchange File Format sox recital.wav recital.aiff sox recital.wav −b 16 recital.aiff channels 1 rate 16k fade 3 norm sox input.wav output.aiff bass −b 16 rate 48k performs the same format translation, but also applies four effects (down-mix to one channel, sample rate change, fade-in, nomalize), and stores the result at a bit-depth of 16. rec −c 2 radio.aiff trim 0 30:00 records half an hour of stereo audio play existing-file.wav 24bit PCM WAV or AIFF do not work *No stream format handling. So no way to pass on an AC3 encoded stream unmodified to the digital outputs through AHI. *No master volume handling. Each application has to set its own volume. So each driver implements its own custom driver-mixer interface for handling master volumes, mute and preamps. *Only one output stream. So all input gets mixed into one output. *No automatic handling of output direction based on connected cables. *No monitor input selection. Only monitor volume control. select the correct input (Don't mistake enabled sound for the correct input.) The monitor will feedback audio to the lineout and hp out no matter if you have selected the correct input to the ADC. The monitor will provide sound for any valid input. This will result in free mixing when recording from the monitor input instead of mic/line because the monitor itself will provide the hardware mixing for you. Be aware that MIC inputs will give two channel mono. Only Linein will give real stereo. Now for the not working part. Attempt to record from linein in the AE4 record window, the right channel is noise and the left channel is distorted. Even with the recommended HIFI 16bit Stereo++ mode at 48kHz. Channels Monitor Gain Inout Output Advanced settings - Debugging via serial port * Options -> Soundcard In/Out * Options -> SampleRate * Options -> Preferences F6 for Sample File List Setting a grid is easy as is measuring the BPM by marking a section of the sample. Is your kick drum track "not in time" ? If so, you're stumped in AE4 as it has no fancy variable time signatures and definitely no 'track this dodgy rhythm' function like software of the nature of Logic has. So if your drum beat is freeform you will need to work in freeform mode. (Real music is free form anyway). If the drum *is* accurate and you are just having trouble measuring the time, I usually measure over a range of bars and set the number of beats in range to say 16 as this is more accurate, Then you will need to shift the drum track to match your grid *before* applying the grid. (probably an iterative process as when the grid is active samples snap to it, and when inactive you cannot see it). AE4 does have ARexx but the functions are more for adding samples at set offsets and starting playback / recording. These are the usual features found in DAWs... * Recording digital audio, midi sequencer and mixer * virtual VST instruments and plug-ins * automation, group channels, MIDI channels, FX sends and returns, audio and MIDI editors and music notation editor * different track views * mixer and track layout (but not the same as below) * traditional two windows (track and mixer) Mixing - mixdown Could not figure out how to select what part I wanted to send to the aux, set it to echo and return. Pretty much the whole echo effect. Or any effect. Take look at page17 of the manual. When you open the EQ / Aux send popup window you will see 4 sends. Now from the menu choose the windows menu. Menus->Windows-> Aux Returns Window or press F5 You will see a small window with 4 volume controls and an effects button for each. Click a button and add an effects to that aux channel, then set it up as desired (note the reverb effect has a special AUX setting that improves its use with the aux channel, not compulsory but highly useful). You set the amount of 'return' on the main mix in the Aux Return window, and the amount sent from each main mixer channel in the popup for that channel. Again the aux sends are "prefade" so the volume faders on each channel do not affect them. Tracking Effects - fade in To add some echoes to some vocals, tried to add an effect on a track but did not come out. This is made more complicated as I wanted to mute a vocal but then make it echo at the muting point. Want to have one word of a vocal heard and then echoed off. But when the track is mute the echo is cancelled out. To correctly understand what is happening here you need to study the figure at the bottom of page 15 on the manual. You will see from that that the effects are applied 'prefade' So the automation you applied will naturally mute the entire signal. There would be a number of ways to achieve the goal, You have three real time effects slots, one for smoothing like so Sample -> Amplify -> Delay Then automate the gain of the amplify block so that it effectively mutes the sample just before the delay at the appropriate moment, the echo effect should then be heard. Getting the effects in the right order will require experimentation as they can only be added top down and it's not obvious which order they are applied to the signal, but there only two possibilities, so it wont take long to find out. Using MUTE can cause clicks to the Amplify can be used to mute more smoothly so that's a secondary advantage. Signal Processing - Overdub [[#top|...to the top]] ===Office=== ====Spreadsheet Leu==== Support for some xlsx, and ods functions ====Spreadsheet Ignition==== ; Needs ABIv1 to be completed before more can be done File formats supported * ascii #?.txt and #?.csv (single sheets with data only). * igs and TurboCalc(WIP) #?.tc for all sheets with data, formats and formulas. There is '''no''' support for xls, xlsx, ods or uos ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Office_Format Uniform Unified Office Format]) at the moment. * Always use Esc key after editing Spreadsheet cells. * copy/paste seems to copy the first instance only so go to Edit -> Clipboard to manage the list of remembered actions. * Right mouse click on row (1 or 2 or 3) or column header (a or b or c) to access optimal height or width of the row or column respectively * Edit -> Insert -> Row seems to clear the spreadsheet or clears the rows after the inserted row until undo restores as it should be... Change Sheet name by Object -> Sheet -> Properties Click in the cell which will contain the result, and click '''down arrow button''' to the right of the formula box at the bottom of the spreadsheet and choose the function required from the list provided. Then click on the start cell and click on the bottom right corner, a '''very''' small blob, which allows stretching a bounding box (thick grey outlines) across many cells This grey bounding box can be used to '''copy a formula''' to other cells. Object -> Cell -> Properties to change cell format - Currency only covers DM and not $, Euro, Renminbi, Yen or Pound etc. Shift key and arrow keys selects a range of cells, so that '''formatting can be done to all highlighted cells'''. View -> Overview then select ALL with one click (in empty cell in the top left hand corner of the sheet). Default mode is relative cell referencing e.g. a1+a2 but absolute e.g. $a$1+$a$2 can be entered. * #sheet-name to '''absolute''' reference another sheet-name cell unless reference() function used. ;Graphs use shift key and arrow keys to select a bunch of cells to be graph'ed making sure that x axes represents and y axes represents * value() - 0 value, 1 percent, 2 date, 3 time, 4 unit ... ;Dates * Excel starts a running count from the 1st Jan 1900 and Ignition starts from 1st Jan 1AD '''(maybe this needs to change)''' Set formatting Object -> Cell -> Properties and put date in days ;Time Set formatting Object -> Cell -> Properties and put time in seconds taken ;Database (to be done by someone else) type - standard, reference (bezug), search criterion (suchkriterium), * select a bunch of cells and Object -> Database -> Define to set Datenbank (database) and Felder (fields not sure how?) * Neu (new) or loschen (delete) to add/remove database headings e.g. Personal, Start Date, Finish Date (one per row?) * Object -> Database -> Index to add fields (felder) like Surname, First Name, Employee ID, etc. to ? Filtering done with dbfilter(), dbproduct() and dbposition(). Activities with dbsum(), dbaverage(), dbmin() and dbmax(). Table sorting - ;Scripts (Arexx) ;Excel(TM) to Ignition - commas ''',''' replaced by semi-colons ''';''' to separate values within functions *SUM(), *AVERAGE(), MAX(), MIN(), INT(), PRODUCT(), MEDIAN(), VAR() becomes Variance(), Percentile(), *IF(), AND, OR, NOT *LEFT(), RIGHT(), MID() becomes MIDDLE(), LEN() becomes LENGTH(), *LOWER() becomes LOWERCASE(), UPPER() becomes UPPERCASE(), * DATE(yyyy,mm,dd) becomes COMPUTEDATE(dd;mm;yyyy), *TODAY(), DAY(),WEEK(), MONTH(),=YEAR(TODAY()), *EOMONTH() becomes MONTHLENGTH(), *NOW() should be date and time becomes time only, SECOND(), MINUTE(), HOUR(), *DBSUM() becomes DSUM(), ;Missing and possibly useful features/functions needed for ignition to have better support of Excel files There is no Merge and Join Text over many cells, no protect and/or freeze row or columns or books but can LOCK sheets, no define bunch of cells as a name, Macros (Arexx?), conditional formatting, no Solver, no Goal Seek, no Format Painter, no AutoFill, no AutoSum function button, no pivot tables, (30 argument limit applies to Excel) *HLOOKUP(), VLOOKUP(), [http://production-scheduling.com/excel-index-function-most-useful/ INDEX(), MATCH()], CHOOSE(), TEXT(), *TRIM(), FIND(), SUBSTITUTE(), CONCATENATE() or &, PROPER(), REPT(), *[https://acingexcel.com/excel-sumproduct-function/ SUMPRODUCT()], ROUND(), ROUNDUP(), *ROUNDDOWN(), COUNT(), COUNTA(), SUMIF(), COUNTIF(), COUNTBLANK(), TRUNC(), *PMT(), PV(), FV(), POWER(), SQRT(), MODE(), TRUE, FALSE, *MODE(), LARGE(), SMALL(), RANK(), STDEV(), *DCOUNT(), DCOUNTA(), WEEKDAY(), ;Excel Keyboard [http://dmcritchie.mvps.org/excel/shortx2k.htm shortcuts needed to aid usability in Ignition] <pre> Ctrl Z - Undo Ctrl D - Fill Down Ctrl R - Fill right Ctrl F - Find Ctrl H - Replace Ctrl 1 - Formatting of Cells CTRL SHIFT ~ Apply General Formatting ie a number Ctrl ; - Todays Date F2 - Edit cell F4 - toggle cell absolute / relative cell references </pre> ====Document Scanning - Scandal==== Scanner usually needs to be connected via a USB port and not via a hub or extension lead. Check in Trident Prefs -> Devices that the USB Scanner is not bound to anything (e.g. Bindings None) If not found then reboot the computer and recheck. Start Scandal, choose Settings from Menu strip at top of screen and in Scanner Driver choose the ?#.device of the scanner (e.g. epson2.device). The next two boxes - leave empty as they are for morphos SCSI use only or put ata.device (use the selection option in bigger box below) and Unit as 0 this is needed for gt68xx * gt68xx - no editing needed in s/gt68xx.conf but needs a firmware file that corresponds to the scanner [http://www.meier-geinitz.de/sane/gt68xx-backend/ gt68xx firmwares] in sys:s/gt68xx. * epson2 - Need to edit the file epson2.conf in sys/s that corresponds to the scanner being used '''Save''' the settings but do not press the Use button (aros freezes) Back to the Picture Scan window and the right-hand sections. Click on the '''Information''' tab and press Connect button and the scanner should now be detected. Go next to the '''Scanner''' tab next to Information Tab should have Color, Black and White, etc. and dpi settings now. Selecting an option Color, B/W etc. can cause dpi settings corruption (especially if the settings are in one line) so set '''dpi first'''. Make sure if Preview is set or not. In the '''Scan''' Tab, press Scan and the scanner will do its duty. Be aware that nothing is saved to disk yet. In the Save tab, change format JPEG, PNG or IFF DEEP. Tick incremental and base filename if necessary and then click the Save button. The image will now be saved to permanent storage. The driver ignores a device if it is already bond to another USB class, rejects it from being usable. However, open Trident prefs, select your device and use the right mouse button to open. Select "NONE" to prevent poseidon from touching the device. Now save settings. It should always work now. [[#top|...to the top]] ===Emulators=== ==== Amiberry ==== ==== Amiga Emu - Janus UAE ==== With Amibridge, AROS attempts to make the UAE emulator seem embedded within but it still is acting as an app There is no dynarec m68k for each hardware that Aros supports or direct patching of motorola calls to AROS hardware accelerated ones unless the emulator has that included Try starting Janus with a priority of -1 like this little script: <pre> cd sys:system/AmiBridge/emulator changetaskpri -1 run janus-uae -f my_uaerc.config >nil: cd sys:prefs endcli </pre> This stops Janus hogging all the CPU time. ===Miscellaneous=== ====Screensaver Blanker==== Most blankers on the amiga (i.e. aros) run as commodities (they are in the tools/commodities drawer). Double click on blanker. Control is with an app called Exchange, which you need to run first (double click on app) or run QUIET sys:tools/commodities/Exchange >NIL: but subsequently can use (Cntrl Alt h). Icon tool types (may be broken) or command line options <pre> seconds=number </pre> Once the timing is right then add the following to s:icaros-sequence or s:user-startup e.g. for 5 minutes run QUIET sys:tools/commodities/Blanker seconds=300 >NIL: *[http://archives.aros-exec.org/index.php?function=showfile&file=graphics/screenblanker/gblanker.i386-aros.zip Garshneblanker] can make Aros unstable or slow. Certain blankers crashes in Icaros 2.0.x like Dragon, Executor. *[ Acuario AROS version], the aquarium screen saver. Startup: extras:acuariofv-aros/acuario Kill: c:break name=extras:acuariofv-aros/acuario Managed to start Acuario by the Executor blanker. <pre> cx_priority= cx_popkey= ie CX_POPKEY="Shift F1" cx_popup=Yes or No </pre> <pre> Qualifier String Input Event Class ---------------- ----------------- "lshift" IEQUALIFIER_LSHIFT "rshift" IEQUALIFIER_RSHIFT "capslock" IEQUALIFIER_CAPSLOCK "control" IEQUALIFIER_CONTROL "lalt" IEQUALIFIER_LALT "ralt" IEQUALIFIER_RALT "lcommand" IEQUALIFIER_LCOMMAND "rcommand" IEQUALIFIER_RCOMMAND "numericpad" IEQUALIFIER_NUMERICPAD "repeat" IEQUALIFIER_REPEAT "midbutton" IEQUALIFIER_MIDBUTTON "rbutton" IEQUALIFIER_RBUTTON "leftbutton" IEQUALIFIER_LEFTBUTTON "relativemouse" IEQUALIFIER_RELATIVEMOUSE </pre> <pre> Synonym Synonym String Identifier ------- ---------- "shift" IXSYM_SHIFT /* look for either shift key */ "caps" IXSYM_CAPS /* look for either shift key or capslock */ "alt" IXSYM_ALT /* look for either alt key */ Highmap is one of the following strings: "space", "backspace", "tab", "enter", "return", "esc", "del", "up", "down", "right", "left", "f1", "f2", "f3", "f4", "f5", "f6", "f7", "f8", "f9", "f10", "help". </pre> [[#top|...to the top]] ==== World Construction Set WCS (Version 2.031) ==== WCS is a fractal landscape software such as Scenery Animator, Vista Pro and Panorama. Open sourced February 2022, World Construction Set [https://3dnature.com/downloads/legacy-software/ legally and for free] and [https://github.com/AlphaPixel/3DNature c source]. Announced August 1994 this version dates from April 1996 developed by Gary R. Huber and Chris "Xenon" Hanson" from Questar <pre> Assign "WCSProjects:" "Volume:Dir/Dir/WCSProjects" Assign "WCSFrames:" "Volume:Dir/Dir/WCSFrames" </pre> <pre> Load projects .proj by accessing pull down menu Project -> Open then click on CanyonSunset.proj OK to changing .par file and enlarge Status Log window to show what is happening Render by pull down menu Modules -> Render with End equal 1 not 300 then click bottom middle button Render </pre> [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxQDmf1ZWG0 Youtube walkthrough of above], [], [], Also try working with the already built file ColoDemo - Then open with the drop-down menu: Project/Open, then WCSProject:ColoDemo.proj Which allows you to use altimetric DEM files already included and Loading scene parameters from ColoDemo.par Once this is done, save everything with a new name to start working exclusively on your project. Then drop-down menu and select Save As ("NewName".proj name), then drop-down menu to open parameter and select Save All ( .par name) After launching the software, there is a the Module Control Panel composed of five icons. It is a dock type shortcut of the first few functions of the drop-down menu *Database - Load (#?.proj), Append, Create, Edit, Save, Dir List (of WCSProject drawer), *Data Ops - Extract / Convert Interp DEM, Import DLG, DXF, WDB and export LW map 3d formats *Map View - Database file Loader leading to Map View Control with option to the Database Editor *Parameters - Editor for Motion, Color, Ecosystem, Clouds, Waves, management of altimeter files DEM, sclock settings etc *Render - rendering terrain These are more in the pull down menu but not in the dock *Motion Editor *Color Editor *Ecosys Editor Simple minimal workflow *Load database (1st icon - 1st) *Set parameters and save .par file (4th icon) *Render scene (5th icon) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbTwwR2qcc4 Youtube], [], <pre> .proj new project name which creates a drawer of additional files .binary array, ascii array .xyz , z buffer, DTED .dt0, vista 1990s dem, iff conversion .Obj with .elev, .frd with .hdr maps, - digital elevation model (DEM) is a 3D representation of elevation data in various formats USGS 7.5MinDEM, .par </pre> Since for the time being no project is loaded, a query window indicates a procedural error when clicking on the rendering icon (right end of the bar). The menu is quite traditional; it varies according to the activity of the windows. To display any altimetric file in the "Mapview" (third icon of the panel), There are three possibilities: * Loading of a demonstration project. * The import of a DEM file, followed by texturing and packaging from the "Database-Editor" and the "Color-Editor". * The creation of an altimetric file in WCS format, then texturing. The altimeter file editing (display in the menu) is only made possible if the "Mapview" window is active. The software is made up of many windows and won't be able to describe them all. Know that "Color-Editor" and the "Data-Editor" comprise sufficient functions for obtaining an almost real rendering quality. You have the possibility of inserting vector objects in the "Data-Editor" (creation of roads, railways, etc.) The Map View (MapView) window *Database - Objects and Topos *View - Align, Center, Zoom, Pan, Move *Draw - Maps and distance *Object - Find, highlight, add points, conform topo, duplicate *Motion - Camera, Focus, path, elevation *Windows - DEM designer, Cloud (.cld) and wave (.wve) editor, You will notice that by selecting this window and simply moving the pointer to various points on the map you will see latitude and longitude values ​​change, along with the height. Drop-down menu and Modules, then select MapView and change the width of the window with the map to arrange it in the best way on the screen. With the Auto button the center. Window that then displays the contents of my DEM file, in this case the Grand Canyon. MapView allows you to observe the shape of the landscape from above ZOOM button Press the Zoom button and then with the pointer position on a point on the map, press the left mouse button and then move to the opposite corner to circumscribe the chosen area and press the left mouse button again, then we will see the enlarged area selected on the map. Would add that there is a box next to the Zoom button that allows the direct insertion of a value which, the larger it is, the smaller the magnification and the smaller the value, the stronger the magnification. At each numerical change you will need to press the DRAW button to update the view. PAN button Under Zoom you will find the PAN button which allows you to move the map at will in all directions by the amount you want. This is done by drawing a line in one direction, then press PAN and point to an area on the map with the pointer and press the left mouse button. At this point, leave it and move the pointer in one direction by drawing a line and press the left mouse button again to trigger the movement of the map on the screen (origin and end points). Do some experiments and then use the Auto button immediately below to recenter everything. There are parameters such as TOPO, VEC to be left checked and immediately below one that allows different views of the map with the Style command (Single, Multi, Surface, Emboss, Slope, Contour), each with its own particularities to highlight different details. Now you have the first basics to manage your project visually on the map. Close the MapView window and go further... Let's start working on ECOSYSTEMS If we select Emboss from the MapView Style command we will have a clear idea of ​​how the landscape appears, realizing that it is a predominantly desert region of our planet. Therefore we will begin to act on any vegetation present and the appearance of the landscape. With WCS we will begin to break down the elements of the landscape by assigning defined characteristics. It will be necessary to determine the classes of the ecosystem (Class) with parameters of Elevation Line (maximum altitude), Relative Elevation (arrangement on basins or convexities with respectively positive or negative parameters), Min Slope and Max Slope (slope). WCS offers the possibility of making ecosystems coexist on the same terrain with the UnderEco function, by setting a Density value. Ecosys Ecosystem Editor Let's open it from Modules, then Ecosys Editor. In the left pane you will find the list of ecosystems referring to the files present in our project. It will be necessary to clean up that box to leave only the Water and Snow landscapes and a few other predefined ones. We can do this by selecting the items and pressing the Remove button (be careful not for all elements the button is activated, therefore they cannot all be eliminated). Once this is done we can start adding new ecosystems. Scroll through the various Unused and as soon as the Name item at the top is activated allowing you to write, type the name of your ecosystem, adding the necessary parameters. <pre> Ecosystem1: Name: RockBase Class: Rock Density: 80 MinSlope: 15 UnderEco: Terrain Ecosystem2: Name: RockIncl Clss: Rock Density: 80 MinSlope: 30 UnderEco: Terrain Ecosystem3: Name: Grass Class Low Veg Density: 50 Height: 1 Elev Line : 1500 Rel El Eff: 5 Max Slope: 10 – Min Slope: 0 UnderEco: Terrain Ecosistema4: Name: Shrubs Class: Low Veg Density: 40 Height: 8 Elev Line: 3000 Rel El Eff: -2 Max Slope: 20 Min Slope : 5 UnderEco: Terrain Ecosistema5: Name: Terrain Class: Ground Density: 100 UnderEco: Terrain </pre> Now we need to identify an intermediate ecosystem that guarantees a smooth transition between all, therefore we select as Understory Ecosystem the one called Terrain in all ecosystems, except Snow and Water . Now we need to 'emerge' the Colorado River in the Canyon and we can do this by raising the sea level to 900 (Sea Level) in the Ecosystem called Water. Please note that the order of the ecosystem list gives priority to those that come after. So our list must have the following order: Water, Snow, Shrubs, RockIncl, RockBase, Terrain. It is possible to carry out all movements with the Swap button at the bottom. To put order you can also press Short List. Press Keep to confirm all the work done so far with Ecosystem Editor. Remember every now and then to save both the Project 'Modules/Save' and 'Parameter/Save All' EcoModels are made up of .etp .fgp .iff8 for each model Color Editor Now it's time to define the colors of our scene and we can do this by going to Modules and then Color Editor. In the list we focus on our ecosystems, created first. Let's go to the bottom of the list and select the first white space, assigning the name 'empty1', with a color we like and then we will find this element again in other environments... It could serve as an example for other situations! So we move to 'grass' which already exists and assign the following colors: R 60 G 70 B50 <pre> 'shrubs': R 60 G 80 B 30 'RockIncl' R 110 G 65 B 60 'RockBase' R 110 G 80 B 80 ' Terrain' R 150 G 30 B 30 <pre> Now we can work on pre-existing colors <pre> 'SunLight' R 150 G 130 B 130 'Haze and Fog' R 190 G 170 B 170 'Horizon' R 209 G 185 B 190 'Zenith' R 140 G 150 B 200 'Water' R 90 G 125 B 170 </pre> Ambient R 0 G 0 B 0 So don't forget to close Color Editor by pressing Keep. Go once again to Ecosystem Editor and assign the corresponding color to each environment by selecting it using the Ecosystem Color button. Press it several times until the correct one appears. Then save the project and parameters again, as done previously. Motion Editor Now it's time to take care of the framing, so let's go to Modules and then to Motion Editor. An extremely feature-rich window will open. Following is the list of parameters regarding the Camera, position and other characteristics: <pre> -Camera Altitude: 7.0 -Camera Latitude: 36.075 -Camera Longitude: 112.133 -Focus Attitude: -2.0 -Focus Latitude: 36.275 -Focus Longitude: 112.386 -Camera : 512 → rendering window -Camera Y: 384 → rendering window -View Arc: 80 → View width in degrees -Sun Longitude: 172 -Sun Latitude: -0.9 -Haze Start: 3.8 -Haze Range: 78, 5 </pre> As soon as the values ​​shown in the relevant sliders have been modified, we will be ready to open the CamView window to observe the wireframe preview. Let's not consider all the controls that will appear. Well from the Motion Editor if you have selected Camera Altitude and open the CamView panel, you can change the height of the camera by holding down the right mouse button and moving the mouse up and down. To update the view, press the Terrain button in the adjacent window. As soon as you are convinced of the position, confirm again with Keep. You can carry out the same work with the other functions of the camera, such as Focus Altitude... Let's now see the next positioning step on the Camera map, but let's leave the CamView preview window open while we go to Modules to open the window at the same time MapView. We will thus be able to take advantage of the view from the other together with a subjective one. From the MapView window, select with the left mouse button and while it is pressed, move the Camera as desired. To update the subjective preview, always click on Terrain. While with the same procedure you can intervene on the direction of the camera lens, by selecting the cross and with the left button pressed you can choose the desired view. So with the pressure of Terrain I update the Preview. Possibly can enlarge or reduce the Map View using the Zoom button, for greater precision. Also write that the circle around the cameras indicates the beginning of the haze, there are two types (haze and fog) linked to the altitude. Would also add that the camera height is editable through the Motion Editor panel. The sun Let's see that changing the position of the sun from the Motion Editor. Press the SUN button at the bottom right and set the time and the date. Longitude and latitude are automatically obtained by the program. Always open the View Arc command from the Motion Editor panel, an item present in the Parameter List box. Once again confirm everything with Keep and then save again. Animation The animation part is not left-back and also occupies a window. The settings possibilities are enormous. A time line with dragging functions ("slide", "drag"...) comparable to that of LightWave completes this window. A small window is available for positioning the stars as a function of a date, in order to vary the seasons and their various events (and yes...). At the bottom of the "Motion-Editor", a "cam-view" function will give you access to a control panel. Different preview modes are possible. The rendering is also accessible through a window. No less than nine pages compose it. At this level, you will be able to determine the backup name of your images ("path"), the type of texture to be calculated, the resolution of the images, activate or deactivate functions such as the depth buffer ("zbuffer"), the blur, the background image, etc. Once all these parameters have been set, all you have to do is click on the "Render" button. For rendering go to Modules and then Render. Select the resolution, then under IMA select the name of the image. Move to FRA and indicate the level of fractal detail which of 4 is quite good. Then Keep to confirm and then reopen the window, pressing Render you will see the result. The image will be opened with any viewing program. Strengths: * Multi-window. * Quality of rendering. * Accuracy. * Opening, preview and rendering on CyberGraphX screen. * Extract / Convert Interp DEM, Import DLG, DXF, WDB and export LW map 3d formats * The "zbuffer" function. Weaknesses: * No OpenGL management * Calculation time. * No network computing tool. ====Writing CD / DVD - Frying Pan==== Can be backup DVDs (4GB ISO size limit due to use of FileInfoBlock), create audio cds from mp3's, and put .iso files on discs If using for the first time - click Drive button and Device set to ata.device and unit to 0 (zero) Click Tracks Button - Drive 1 - Create New Disc or Import Existing Disc Image (iso bin/cue etc.) - Session File open cue file If you're making a data cd, with files and drawers from your hard drive, you should be using the ISO Builder.. which is the MUI page on the left. ("Data/Audio Tracks" is on the right). You should use the "Data/Audio tracks" page if you want to create music cds with AIFF/WAV/MP3 files, or if you download an .iso file, and you want to put it on a cd. Click WRITE Button - set write speed - click on long Write button Examples Easiest way would be to burn a DATA CD, simply go to "Tracks" page "ISO Builder" and "ADD" everything you need to burn. On the "Write" page i have "Masterize Disc (DAO)", "Close Disc" and "Eject after Write" set. One must not "Blank disc before write" if one uses a CDR AUDIO CD from MP3's are as easy but tricky to deal with. FP only understands one MP3 format, Layer II, everything else will just create empty tracks Burning bootable CD's works only with .iso files. Go to "Tracks" page and "Data/Audio Tracks" and add the .iso ====odf==== Every ODF file is a collection of several subdocuments within a package (ZIP file), each of which stores part of the complete document. * content.xml – Document content and automatic styles used in the content. * styles.xml – Styles used in the document content and automatic styles used in the styles themselves. * meta.xml – Document meta information, such as the author or the time of the last save action. * settings.xml – Application-specific settings, such as the window size or printer information. To read document follow these steps: * Extracting .ods file. * Getting content.xml file (which contains sheets data). * Creating XmlDocument object from content.xml file. * Creating DataSet (that represent Spreadsheet file). * With XmlDocument select “table:table” elements, and then create adequate DataTables. * Parse child’s of “table:table” element and fill DataTables with those data. * At the end, return DataSet and show it in application’s interface. To write document follow these steps: * Extracting template.ods file (.ods file that we use as template). * Getting content.xml file. * Creating XmlDocument object from content.xml file. * Erasing all “table:table” elements from the content.xml file. * Reading data from our DataSet and composing adequate “table:table” elements. * Adding “table:table” elements to content.xml file. * Zipping that file as new .ods file. XLS file format The XLS file format contains streams, substreams, and records. These sheet substreams include worksheets, macro sheets, chart sheets, dialog sheets, and VBA module sheets. All the records in an XLS document start with a 2-byte unsigned integer to specify Record Type (rt), and another for Count of Bytes (cb). A record cannot exceed 8224 bytes. If larger than the rest is stored in one or more continue records. * Workbook stream **Globals substream ***BoundSheet8 record - info for Worksheet substream i.e. name, location, type, and visibility. (4bytes the lbPlyPos FilePointer, specifies the position in the Workbook stream where the sheet substream starts) **Worksheet substream (sheet) - Cell Table - Row record - Cells (2byte=row 2byte=column 2byte=XF format) ***Blank cell record ***RK cell record 32-bit number. ***BoolErr cell record (2-byte Bes structure that may be either a Boolean value or an error code) ***Number cell record (64-bit floating-point number) ***LabelSst cell record (4-byte integer that specifies a string in the Shared Strings Table (SST). Specifically, the integer corresponds to the array index in the RGB field of the SST) ***Formula cell record (FormulaValue structure in the 8 bytes that follow the cell structure. The next 6 bytes can be ignored, and the rest of the record is a CellParsedFormula structure that contains the formula itself) ***MulBlank record (first 2 bytes give the row, and the next 2 bytes give the column that the series of blanks starts at. Next, a variable length array of cell structures follows to store formatting information, and the last 2 bytes show what column the series of blanks ends on) ***MulRK record ***Shared String Table (SST) contains all of the string values in the workbook. ACCRINT(), ACCRINTM(), AMORDEGRC(), AMORLINC(), COUPDAYBS(), COUPDAYS(), COUPDAYSNC(), COUPNCD(), COUPNUM(), COUPPCD(), CUMIPMT(), CUMPRINC(), DB(), DDB(), DISC(), DOLLARDE(), DOLLARFR(), DURATION(), EFFECT(), FV(), FVSCHEDULE(), INTRATE(), IPMT(), IRR(), ISPMT(), MDURATION(), MIRR(), NOMINAL(), NPER(), NPV(), ODDFPRICE(), ODDFYIELD(), ODDLPRICE(), ODDLYIELD(), PMT(), PPMT(), PRICE(), PRICEDISC(), PRICEMAT(), PV(), RATE(), RECEIVED(), SLN(), SYD(), TBILLEQ(), TBILLPRICE(), TBILLYIELD(), VDB(), XIRR(), XNPV(), YIELD(), YIELDDISC(), YIELDMAT(), <pre> </pre> <pre> </pre> <pre> </pre> {{BookCat}} hwvcuszf4q8q9o86gertx2zfiebf3kv 4637046 4637045 2026-05-22T18:12:45Z Jeff1138 301139 4637046 wikitext text/x-wiki ==Introduction== [[#Graphical Image Editing Art]] [[#Office Application]] [[#Audio]] [[#Misc Application]] [[#Games & Emulation]] [[#Application Guides]] [[#top|...to the top]] [[#top|...to the top]] Most apps can be opened on the Workbench (aka publicscreen pubscreen) which is the default display option but can offer a custom one set to your configurations (aka custom screen mode promotion). These custom ones tend to stack so the possible use of A-M/A-N method of switching between full screens and the ability to pull down screens as well If you are interested in creating or porting new software, see [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Aros/Developer/Docs here] {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Internet Applications !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1 (68k) !width:10%;|Hyperion OS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Web Online Browser [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=network/browser Odyssey 2.0], [https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1175&highlight=odyssey&rowstart=100 Odyssey 3.0], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://aminet.net/comm/www Amelinium], [https://blog.alb42.de/programs/amifox/ amifox] with [https://github.com/alb42/wrp wrp server], IBrowse*, Voyager*, [https://github.com/amigazen/aweb3/ AWeb 3.6 src], [https://github.com/matjam/aweb AWeb Src], 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Magellan, MarranoFTP, |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/AmiFTP AmiFTP], AmiTradeCenter, ncFTP, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=5 Pftp], [http://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/AmiFTP-1.935-OS4 AmiFTP], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->WYSIWYG Web Site Editor |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Internet Radio Streaming Audio [http://www.gnu.org/software/gnump3d/ gnump3d], [http://www.icecast.org/ Icecast2] Server (Broadcast) and Client (Listen), [ mpd], [http://darkice.sourceforge.net/ DarkIce], [http://www.dyne.org/software/muse/ Muse], |<!--AROS-->Mplayer (Icecast Client only), |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://github.com/sandlbn/TuneFinder TuneFinder C Src], [https://github.com/sandlbn/TuneFinderMUI TuneFinderMUI], [http://amigazeux.net/anr/ AmiNetRadio], [], [], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.tunenet.co.uk/ Tunenet], |<!--MorphOS-->Mplayer, AmiNetRadio, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->VoIP (Voice over IP) with SIP Client (Session Initiation Protocol) or Asterisk IAX2 Clients Softphone (skype like) |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->AmiPhone with Speak Freely, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Weather Forecast |<!--AROS-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/ WeatherBar], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/workbench AWeather], [] |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://amigazeux.net/wetter/ Wetter], [https://github.com/emartisoft/AmiWeatherForecasts AmiWeatherForecasts src], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://os4depot.net/?function=showfile&file=utility/workbench/flipclock.lha FlipClock], |<!--MorphOS-->[http://amigazeux.net/wetter/ Wetter], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Street Road Maps Route Planning GPS Tracking |<!--AROS-->[https://blog.alb42.de/programs/muimapparium/ MuiMapparium] [https://build.alb42.de/ Build of MuiMapp versions], |<!--Amiga OS-->AmiAtlas*, UKRoutePlus*, [http://blog.alb42.de/ AmOSM], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[http://blog.alb42.de/programs/mapparium/ Mapparium], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Clock and Date setting from the internet (either ntp or websites) [https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ World Clock], [http://www.time.gov/ NIST], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=network/misc ntpsync], |<!--Amiga OS-->ntpsync |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Newsgroups |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://newscoaster.sourceforge.net/ Newscoaster], [https://github.com/jens-maus/newsrog NewsRog], [ WorldNews], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->IP-based video production workflows with High Dynamic Range (HDR), 10-bit color collaborative NDI, |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Blogging like Lemmy or kbin |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->VR face recognition for Vtubers |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->VR chatting Live 2D models with Cubism type editor <pre> Model data (cmo3) Basic motions (can3) Background image (png) Set of files for embedding (runtime folder) • Model data (moc3) • Motion data (motion3.json) • Model settings file (model3.json) • Physics settings file (physics3.json) • Display auxiliary file (cdi3.json) </pre> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->VR chatting chatters .VRML models - standardized 3D file format for VR avatars |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->V-tubers V-tubing like Vseeface with Openseeface tracker or Vpuppr (virtual puppet project) for 2d / 3d art models rigging rigged LIV |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. ==Graphical Image Editing Art== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Image Editing !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1(68k) !width:10%;|Hyperion OS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Pixel Raster Artwork [https://github.com/LibreSprite/LibreSprite LibreSprite based on GPL aseprite], [https://github.com/abetusk/hsvhero hsvhero], [], |<!--AROS-->[https://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/ZunePaint/ ZunePaint], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit LunaPaint], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit GrafX2], [ LodePaint needs OpenGL], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.amigaforever.com/classic/download.html PPaint], GrafX2, [https://github.com/grovdata/Amiga_Sources/blob/master/software.md DeluxePaint], [http://www.amiforce.de/perfectpaint/perfectpaint.php PerfectPaint], Zoetrope, Brilliance2*, |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit LodePaint], GrafX2, |<!--MorphOS-->Sketch, Pixel*, GrafX2, [http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=3 LunaPaint] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Image viewing |<!--AROS-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/ ZuneView], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/viewer LookHere], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/viewer LoView], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/viewer PicShow] , [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=31400&forum=32&start=80&viewmode=flat&order=0#583458 Picture Album], |<!--Amiga OS-->PicShow, PicView, Photoalbum, |<!--AmigaOS4-->WarpView, PicShow, flPhoto, Thumbs, [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=31400&forum=32&start=80&viewmode=flat&order=0#583458 Picture Album], |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=3 ShowGirls], [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=31400&forum=32&start=80&viewmode=flat&order=0#583458 Picture Album] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Photography retouching / Image Manipulation like Photoshop(tm) |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit RNOEffects], [https://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/ ZunePaint], [http://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/ ZuneView], |<!--Amiga OS-->[ Tecsoft Video Paint aka TVPaint], Photogenics*, ArtEffect*, ImageFX*, XiPaint, fxPaint, ImageMasterRT, Opalpaint, |<!--AmigaOS4-->WarpView, flPhoto, [http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit Photocrop] |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=3 ShowGirls], ImageFX*, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Manage RAW picture folder galleries like Darktable, RAWtherapy, etc |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Graphic Format Converter - ICC profile support sRGB, Adobe RGB, XYZ and linear RGB |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->GraphicsConverter, ImageStudio, [http://www.coplabs.org/artpro.html ArtPro] |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Thumbnail Generator [], |<!--AROS-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/ ZuneView], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/shell Thumbnail Generator] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Icon Editor |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/iconedit Archives], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/workbench Icon Toolbox], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/iconedit IconEditor] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->2D Pixel Art Animation |<!--AROS-->Lunapaint |<!--Amiga OS-->PPaint, AnimatED, Scala*, GoldDisk MovieSetter*, Walt Disney's Animation Studio*, ProDAD*, [https://github.com/historicalsource/DeluxePaint DeluxePaint src], Brilliance |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=3 Titler] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->2D SVG based MovieSetter type |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->MovieSetter*, Fantavision* |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Morphing |<!--AROS-->[ GLMorph] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->2D Cad (qcad->LibreCAD, etc.) |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->Xcad, MaxonCAD |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->3D Cad like FreeCad, BRL-CAD, OpenSCAD, AvoCADo, etc. using dxf, obj (vertices), blend, |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->XCad3d*, DynaCADD*, Cycas, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->3D Model Rendering of glft (json) gbl (png jpg), usdz (USD files with materials, textures, and animations), FBX Filmbox is a proprietary Autodesk format, |<!--AROS-->POV-Ray |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.discreetfx.com./amigaproducts.html CINEMA 4D]*, POV-Ray, Lightwave3D*, Real3D*, Caligari24*, Reflections/Monzoom*, [https://github.com/privatosan/RayStorm Raystorm src], Tornado 3D |<!--AmigaOS4-->Blender, POV-Ray, Yafray |<!--MorphOS-->Blender, POV-Ray, Yafray |- |<!--Sub Menu-->3D Format Converter [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=graphics/convert/ivcon.lha IVCon] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Screen grabbing display |<!--AROS-->[ Screengrabber], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/misc snapit], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=video/record screen recorder], [] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Grab graphics music from apps [https://github.com/Malvineous/ripper6 ripper6], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. [[#top|...to the top]] ==Office Application== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Office !width:10%;|AROS (x86) !width:10%;|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_software Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1] (68k) !width:10%;|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AmigaOS_4 Hyperion OS4] (PPC) !width:10%;|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MorphOS MorphOS] (PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Word-processing |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=office/wordprocessing Cinnamon Writer], [https://finalwriter.godaddysites.com/ Final Writer 7*], [https://github.com/sodero/MUI-Vim/releases MUI-Vim], [ ], |<!--AmigaOS-->[ Softwood FinalCopy II*], Haage AmigaWriter*, Digita WordWorth*, Softwood FinalWriter*, Micro-Systems Excellence 3*, Arnor Protext, Rashumon, [ InterWord], [ KindWords], [WordPerfect], [ New Horizons Flow], [ CygnusEd Pro], [ Micro-systems Scribble], |<!--AmigaOS4-->AbiWord, [ CinnamonWriter] |<!--MorphOS-->[ Cinnamon Writer], [http://www.meta-morphos.org/viewtopic.php?topic=1246&forum=53 scriba], [http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/index.php Papyrus Office], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Spreadsheets |<!--AROS-->[https://blog.alb42.de/programs/leu/ Leu], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=office/spreadsheet], |<!--AmigaOS-->[https://aminet.net/package/biz/spread/ignition-src Ignition Src 1.3], [MaxiPlan 500 Plus], [OXXI Plan/IT v2.0 Speadsheet], [ Superplan], [ Creative Developments TurboCalc], [ ProCalc], [ InterSpread], [Digita DGCalc], [ Gold Disk Advantage], [ Micro-systems Analyze!] |<!--AmigaOS4-->Gnumeric, [https://ignition-amiga.sourceforge.net/ Ignition], |<!--MorphOS-->[ ignition], [http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php Papyrus Office], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Presentations |<!--AROS-->[http://www.hollywoood-mal.com/ Hollywood]*, |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.hollywoood-mal.com/ Hollywood]*, MediaPoint, PointRider, Scala*, |<!--Amiga OS4-->[http://www.hollywoood-mal.com/ Hollywood]*, PointRider |<!--MorphOS-->[http://www.hollywoood-mal.com/ Hollywood]*, PointRider |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Databases |<!--AROS-->[http://sdb.freeforums.org/ SDB], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=office/database BeeBase], |<!--Amiga OS-->Precision Superbase 4 Pro*, Arnor Prodata*, BeeBase, Datastore, FinalData*, AmigaBase, Fiasco, Twist2*, [Digita DGBase], [], |<!--AmigaOS4-->BeeBase, SQLite, |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=6 BeeBase], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->PDF Viewing and editing digital signatures |<!--AROS-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/arospdf/ ArosPDF via splash], [https://github.com/wattoc/AROS-vpdf vpdf wip], |<!--Amiga OS-->APDF |<!--AmigaOS4-->AmiPDF |<!--MorphOS-->APDF, vPDF, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Printing |<!--AROS-->Postscript 3 laser printers and Ghostscript internal, [ GutenPrint], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.irseesoft.de/tp_what.htm TurboPrint]* |<!--AmigaOS4-->(some native drivers), |<!--MorphOS-->early TurboPrint included, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Note Taking markdown support like joplin, OneNote, EverNote Notes, xournalpp, etc |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Study and analyse, collect, organize, annotate, cite, and share |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->PIM Personal Information Manager - Day Diary Planner Calendar App |<!--AROS-->[ ], [ ], [ ], |<!--Amiga OS-->Digita Organiser*, On The Ball, Everyday Organiser, [ Contact Manager], |<!--AmigaOS4-->AOrganiser, |<!--MorphOS-->[http://polymere.free.fr/orga_en.html PolyOrga], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Accounting |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=office/misc ETB], LoanCalc, [ ], [ ], [ ], |[ Digita Home Accounts2], Accountant, Small Business Accounts, Account Master, [ Amigabok], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Project Management Research |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->SuperGantt, SuperPlan, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->System Wide Dictionary - multilingual [http://sourceforge.net/projects/babiloo/ Babiloo], [http://code.google.com/p/stardict-3/ StarDict], |<!--AROS-->[ ], |<!--AmigaOS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->System wide Thesaurus - multi lingual |<!--AROS-->[ ], |Kuma K-Roget*, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Sticky Desktop Notes (post it type) |<!--AROS-->[http://aminet.net/package/util/wb/amimemos.i386-aros AmiMemos], [https://aminet.net/package/util/wb/amimemos.src-aros AmiMemos Src], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://aminet.net/package/util/wb/StickIt-2.00 StickIt v2], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->DTP Desktop Publishing |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit RNOPublisher], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://pagestream.org/ Pagestream]*, Professional Pro Page*, Saxon Publisher, Pagesetter, PenPal, |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://pagestream.org/ Pagestream]* |<!--MorphOS-->[http://pagestream.org/ Pagestream]* |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Scanning |<!--AROS-->[ SCANdal], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->FxScan*, ScanQuix* |<!--AmigaOS4-->SCANdal (Sane) |<!--MorphOS-->SCANdal |- |<!--Sub Menu-->OCR |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/convert gOCR] |<!--AmigaOS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos-files.net/categories/office/text Tesseract] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Text Editing |<!--AROS-->Jano Editor (already installed as Editor), [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=development/edit EdiSyn], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/text/edit Annotate], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=development/edit Vim], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/text/edit FrexxEd] [https://github.com/vidarh/FrexxEd src], [ NoWinEd], |<!--Amiga OS-->Annotate, MicroGoldED/CubicIDE*, CygnusED*, Turbotext, Protext*, NoWinED, |<!--AmigaOS4-->Notepad, Annotate, CygnusED*, NoWinED, |<!--MorphOS-->MorphOS ED, NoWinED, GoldED/CubicIDE*, CygnusED*, Annotate, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Office Fonts [http://sourceforge.net/projects/fontforge/files/fontforge-source/ Font Designer] |<!--AROS-->[ ], [ ], |<!--Amiga OS-->TypeSmith*, SaxonScript (GetFont Adobe Type 1), |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Drawing Vector |<!--AROS-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/amifig/ ZuneFIG previously AmiFIG] |<!--Amiga OS-->Drawstudio*, ProVector*, ArtExpression*, Professional Draw*, AmiFIG, MetaView, [https://gitlab.com/amigasourcecodepreservation/designworks Design Works Src], [], |<!--AmigaOS4-->MindSpace, [http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit amifig], |<!--MorphOS-->SteamDraw, [http://aminet.net/package/gfx/edit/amifig amiFIG], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->video conferencing (jitsi) |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->source code hosting |<!--AROS-->Gitlab, |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Remote Desktop (server) |<!--AROS-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/VNC_Server ArosVNCServer], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://s.guillard.free.fr/AmiVNC/AmiVNC.htm AmiVNC], [http://dspach.free.fr/amiga/avnc/index.html AVNC] |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://s.guillard.free.fr/AmiVNC/AmiVNC.htm AmiVNC] |MorphVNC, vncserver |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Remote Desktop (client) |<!--AROS-->[https://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/VNC_Client/ ArosVNC], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=network/misc rdesktop], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://twinvnc.free.fr/index.php?menu=01&lang=eng TwinVNC], [http://dspach.free.fr/amiga/vva/index.html VVA], [http://www.hd-zone.com/ RDesktop] |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://twinvnc.free.fr/index.php?menu=01&lang=eng TwinVNC], [http://www.hd-zone.com/ RDesktop] |[http://twinvnc.free.fr/index.php?menu=01&lang=eng TwinVNC], [http://www.hd-zone.com/ RDesktop] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->notifications |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->Ranchero |<!--AmigaOS4-->Ringhio |<!--MorphOS-->MagicBeacon |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. [[#top|...to the top]] ==Audio== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Audio !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1(68k) !width:10%;|Hyperion OS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Playing playback Audio like MP3, [https://github.com/chrg127/gmplayer NSF], [https://github.com/kode54/lazyusf miniusf .usflib], [], etc |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=video/play Mplayer], [ HarmonyPlayer hp], [http://www.a500.org/downloads/audio/index.xhtml playcdda] CDs, [ WildMidi Player], [https://bszili.morphos.me/ UADE mod player], [], [RNOTunes ], [ mp3Player], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->AmiNetRadio, AmigaAmp, playOGG, |<!--AmigaOS4-->TuneNet, SimplePlay, AmigaAmp, TKPlayer |AmiNetRadio, Mplayer, Kaya, AmigaAmp |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Editing Audio |<!--AROS-->[ Audio Evolution 4] |<!--Amiga OS-->[ Samplitude Opus Key], [https://sourceforge.net/projects/hd-rec/ HD-Rec Src], [http://www.sonicpulse.de/eng/news.html SoundFX], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[https://sourceforge.net/projects/hd-rec/ HD-Rec], AmiSoundED, [http://os4depot.net/?function=showfile&file=audio/record/audioevolution4.lha Audio Evolution 4] |[http://www.hd-rec.de/HD-Rec/index.php?site=home HD-Rec], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Editing Tracker Music |<!--AROS-->[https://github.com/hitchhikr/protrekkr Protrekkr], [ Schism Tracker], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/tracker MilkyTracker], [http://www.hivelytracker.com/ HivelyTracker], [ Radium in AROS already], [http://www.a500.org/downloads/development/index.xhtml libMikMod], |<!--Amiga OS-->MilkyTracker, HivelyTracker, DigiBooster, Octamed SoundStudio, |<!--AmigaOS4-->MilkyTracker, HivelyTracker, GoatTracker |MilkyTracker, GoatTracker, DigiBooster, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Editing Music [], [https://github.com/kmatheussen/camd CAMD] and/or staves and notes manuscript |<!--AROS-->[http://bnp.hansfaust.de/ Bars and Pipes for AROS], [ Audio Evolution], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://bnp.hansfaust.de/ Bars'n'Pipes], MusicX* David "Talin" Joiner & Craig Weeks (for Notator-X), Deluxe Music Construction 2*, [https://github.com/timoinutilis/midi-sequencer-amigaos Horny c Src], HD-Rec, [https://aminet.net/package/mus/midi/dominatorV1_51 Dominator], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[https://sourceforge.net/p/hd-rec/code/HEAD/tree/ HD-Rec Src], Rockbeat, [http://bnp.hansfaust.de/download.html Bars'n'Pipes], [http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/edit Horny], Audio Evolution 4, |<!--MorphOS-->Bars'n'Pipes, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Sound Sampling |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/record Audio Evolution 4], [http://www.imica.net/SitePortalPage.aspx?siteid=1&did=162 Quick Record], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/misc SOX to get AIFF 16bit files], [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/tree/master/workbench/tools/AHIRecord AHIRecord], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://aminet.net/package/mus/edit/AudioEvolution3_src Audio Evolution 3 c src], [ Samplitude-MS Opus Key], Audiomaster IV*, |<!--AmigaOS4-->[https://github.com/timoinutilis/phonolith-amigaos phonolith c src], HD-Rec, Audio Evolution 4, |<!--MorphOS-->[https://sourceforge.net/p/hd-rec/code/HEAD/tree/ HD-Rec Src], Audio Evolution 4, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Live Looping or Audio Misc - Groovebox like |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->CD/DVD burn |[https://code.google.com/p/amiga-fryingpan/ FryingPan], |<!--Amiga OS-->FryingPan, [http://www.estamos.de/makecd/#CurrentVersion MakeCD], |<!--AmigaOS4-->FryingPan, AmiDVD, |[http://www.amiga.org/forums/printthread.php?t=58736 FryingPan], Jalopeano, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->CD/DVD audio rip |Lame, [http://www.imica.net/SitePortalPage.aspx?siteid=1&cfid=0&did=167 Quick CDrip], |<!--Amiga OS-->Lame, |<!--AmigaOS4-->Lame, |Lame, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->MP3 v1 and v2 Tagger |<!--AROS-->id3ren (v1), [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/edit mp3info], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> | |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Audio Convert |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/misc Sox], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://aminet.net/package/mus/misc/SoundBox SoundBox], [http://aminet.net/package/mus/misc/SoundBoxKey SoundBox Key], [http://aminet.net/package/mus/edit/SampleE SampleE], sox |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->DJ mixing jamming |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Radio Automation Software [http://www.rivendellaudio.org/ Rivendell], [http://code.campware.org/projects/livesupport/report/3 Campware LiveSupport], [http://www.sourcefabric.org/en/airtime/ SourceFabric AirTime], [http://www.ohloh.net/p/mediabox404 MediaBox404], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Speakers Audio Sonos Mains AC networked wired controlled *2005 ZP100 with ZP80 *2008 Zoneplayer ZP120 (multi-room wireless amp) ZP90 receiver only with CR100 controller, *2009 ZonePlayer S5, *2010 BR100 wireless Bridge (no support), *2011 Play:3 *2013 Bridge (no support), Play:1, *2016 Arc, Play:1, *Beam (Gen 2), Playbar, Ray, Era 100, Era 300, Roam, Move 2, *Sub (Gen 3), Sub Mini, Five, Amp S2 |<!--AROS-->SonosController |<!--Amiga OS-->SonosController |<!--AmigaOS4-->SonosController |<!--MorphOS-->SonosController |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Smart Speakers |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. [[#top|...to the top]] ==Video Creativity and Production== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Video !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1(68k) !width:10%;|Hyperion OS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Playing Video |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=video/play Mplayer VAMP], [http://www.a500.org/downloads/video/index.xhtml CDXL player], [http://www.a500.org/downloads/video/index.xhtml IffAnimPlay], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->Frogger*, AMP2, MPlayer, RiVA*, MooViD*, |<!--AmigaOS4-->DvPlayer, MPlayer |<!--MorphOS-->MPlayer, Frogger, AMP2, VLC |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Streaming Video and game streaming like OBS studio, Parsec, etc |<!--AROS-->Mplayer, |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->Mplayer, Gnash, Tubexx |<!--MorphOS-->Mplayer, OWB, Tubexx |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Playing DVD |<!--AROS-->[http://a-mc.biz/ AMC]*, Mplayer |<!--Amiga OS-->AMP2, Frogger |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://a-mc.biz/ AMC]*, DvPlayer*, AMP2, |<!--MorphOS-->Mplayer |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Screen Recording |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=video/record Screenrecorder], [ ], [ ], [ ], [ ], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->Screenrecorder, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Create and Edit Individual Video NLE |<!--AROS-->[ Mencoder], [ Quick Videos], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit AVIbuild], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/misc FrameBuild], FFMPEG, |<!--Amiga OS-->[ MainConcept Mainactor Broadcast*], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_Toaster Video Toaster*], MacroSystem MovieShop 4.3*, proDAD Adorage*, [ IOSpirit VHI studio]*, [Gold Disk ShowMaker], [], |<!--AmigaOS4-->FFMpeg/GUI |<!--MorphOS-->Blender, Mencoder, FFmpeg |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Subtitle editor |<!--AROS-->[https://aminet.net/package/text/edit/Slarti_Arosx86ABIv0 Slarti_Arosx86ABIv0], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. [[#top|...to the top]] ==Misc Application== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Misc Application !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1 (68k) !width:10%;|Hyperion OS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->File Management |<!--AROS-->DOpus4, [https://github.com/BlitterStudio/dopus5 DOpus Magellan aka DOpus 5], [ Scalos], [ ], |<!--Amiga OS-->DOpus2, DOpus 4, [http://sourceforge.net/projects/dopus5allamigas/files/?source=navbar DOpus Magellan DOpus5], ClassAction, FileMaster, [http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=4897 DirWork 2]*, [https://github.com/RudolphRiedel/DiskMaster2 DiskMaster2 src], |<!--AmigaOS4-->DOpus4, DOpus5, Filer, AmiDisk |<!--MorphOS-->DOpus4, DOpus5 |- |<!--Sub Menu-->File Verification / Repair |<!--AROS-->md5 (works in linux compiling shell), [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/filetool workpar2] (PAR2), [http://zakalwe.fi/~shd/foss/cksfv/files/ compile cksfv from website], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->Par2, |- |App Installer |<!--AROS-->[], [ InstallerNG], |<!--Amiga OS-->InstallerNG, Grunch, |<!--AmigaOS4-->Jack |<!--MorphOS-->Jack |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Compression archiver [https://github.com/FS-make-simple/paq9a paq9a], [], |<!--AROS-->XAD system is a toolkit designed for handling various file and disk archiver |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->C/C++ IDE |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/text/edit FrexxEd], [https://github.com/vidarh/FrexxEd FrexxEd src], Annotate, Murks, |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://devplex.awardspace.biz/cubic/index.html Cubic IDE]*, Annotate, |<!--AmigaOS4-->CodeBench , [https://gitlab.com/boemann/codecraft CodeCraft], |<!--MorphOS-->[http://devplex.awardspace.biz/cubic/index.html Cubic IDE]*, Anontate, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Computer Languages Translation [https://tetracorp.github.io/guide/reverse-engineering-amiga.html ], [https://amigasourcecodepreservation.gitlab.io/amiga-assembler-insider-guide/ ], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://bitbucket.org/rhinoid/convert68000toc/src/main/ convert m68k seka asm-one to c], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Gui Creators |<!--AROS-->[ MuiBuilder], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[ MuiBuilder], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Catalog .cd .ct Editors |<!--AROS-->FlexCat |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.geit.de/deu_simplecat.html SimpleCat], FlexCat |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://aminet.net/package/dev/misc/simplecat SimpleCat], FlexCat |[http://www.geit.de/deu_simplecat.html SimpleCat], FlexCat |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Binary Hexadecimal Editor |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=development/edit Zaphod], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Repository |<!--AROS-->[ Git] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->Git |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Filesystem Backup |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Filesystem Repair |<!--AROS-->ArSFSDoctor, |<!--Amiga OS--> Quarterback Tools, [ ], [ ], [ ], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Multiple File renaming |<!--AROS-->DOpus 4 or 5, |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Anti Virus |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->VChecker, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Random Wallpaper Desktop changer [ DOpus5], [ Scalos], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Alarm Clock, Timer, Stopwatch, Countdown |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/workbench DClock], [http://aminet.net/util/time/AlarmClockAROS.lha AlarmClock], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Digital Signage |<!--AROS-->Hollywood, Hollywood Designer |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Fortune Cookie Quotes Sayings |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/misc AFortune], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Languages |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->Fun School, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Mathematics ([http://www-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/~parisse/install_en.html Xcas], etc.), |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/scientific mathX] |<!--Amiga OS-->Maple V, mathX, Fun School, GCSE Maths, [ ], [ ], [ ], |<!--AmigaOS4-->Yacas |<!--MorphOS-->Yacas |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. ==Misc Application 2== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Misc Application !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1(68k) !width:10%;|Hyperion OS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->System |<!--AROS-->[ SysExplorer], [ SysMon], [ Scout], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->OSK On Screen Keyboard |<!--AROS-->[], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://aminet.net/util/wb/OSK.lha OSK] |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Screen Magnifier Magnifying Glass Magnification |<!--AROS-->[http://www.onyxsoft.se/files/zoomit.lha ZoomIT], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Comic Book CBR CBZ format reader viewer |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/viewer comics], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/viewer comicon], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Ebook Reader |<!--AROS-->[https://blog.alb42.de/programs/#legadon Legadon EPUB],[] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Ebook Converter |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Text to Speech tts [https://github.com/JonathanFly/bark-installer Bark], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/misc flite], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.text2speech.com translator], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=search&tool=simple FLite] |<!--MorphOS-->[http://se.aminet.net/pub/aminet/mus/misc/ FLite] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Speech Voice Recognition Dictation - [http://sourceforge.net/projects/cmusphinx/files/ CMU Sphinx], [http://julius.sourceforge.jp/en_index.php?q=en/index.html Julius], [http://www.isip.piconepress.com/projects/speech/index.html ISIP], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Speech Voice Changer [], [], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Fractals |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->ZoneXplorer, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Landscape Rendering |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/raytrace WCS World Construction Set], |<!--Amiga OS-->[ Vista Pro], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Construction_Set World Construction Set] |<!--AmigaOS4-->[ WCS World Construction Set], |<!--MorphOS-->[ WCS World Construction Set], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Astronomy [https://sourceforge.net/projects/skychart/ skychart freepascal], [], [], |<!--AROS-->[ Digital Almanac (ABIv0 only)], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://aminet.net/search?query=planetarium Aminet search], [http://aminet.net/misc/sci/DA3V56ISO.zip Digital Almanac], [https://aminet.net/package/misc/sci/da3sourceV58 Src c V58], [ Galileo renamed to Distant Suns]*, [], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/digital-almanac/ Digital Almanac], Distant Suns*, [http://www.digitaluniverse.org.uk/ Digital Universe]*, |<!--MorphOS-->[http://www.aminet.net/misc/sci/da3.lha Digital Almanac], [http://www.aminet.net/package/misc/sci/da3-mos-src Src c V56], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->PCB design |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->[ ], [ ], [ ], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Genealogy History Family Tree Ancestry Records (FreeBMD, FreeREG, and FreeCEN file formats or GEDCOM GenTree) |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> [ Origins], [ Your Family Tree], [ ], [ ], [ ], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Screen Display Blanker screensaver |<!--AROS-->Blanker Commodity (built in), [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/screenblanker GarshneBlanker], [http://sourceforge.net/projects/gblanker/ GBlanker Src], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->MultiCX, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->ModernArt Blanker, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Maths Graph Function Plotting |<!--AROS-->[https://blog.alb42.de/programs/#MUIPlot MUIPlot], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->App Utility Launcher Dock toolbar |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/docky BoingBar], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://github.com/adkennan/DockBot Dockbot], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->3D Printer [https://github.com/OrcaSlicer/OrcaSlicer OrcaSlicer] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->BASIC Computer Language |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=development/language Basic4SDL], [ Ace Basic], [ X-AMOS], [SDLBasic], [ Alvyn], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.amiforce.de/main.php Amiblitz 3], [http://amos.condor.serverpro3.com/AmosProManual/contents/c1.html Amos Pro], [http://aminet.net/package/dev/basic/ace24dist ACE Basic], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->sdlBasic |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Astrology [https://sourceforge.net/projects/skylendar/ skylendar], [https://github.com/CruiserOne/Astrolog Astrolog], [https://www.astrolog.org/astrolog/astfile.htm Astrology alt site], [https://saravali.github.io/download.html Maitreya], [https://github.com/alamahant/Asteria Asteria], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. ==Games & Emulation== Some emulators/games require OpenGL to function and to adjust ahi prefs channels, frequency and unit0 and unit1 and [http://aros.sourceforge.net/documentation/users/shell/changetaskpri.php changetaskpri -1] Rom patching https://www.marcrobledo.com/RomPatcher.js/ https://www.romhacking.net/patch/ (ips, ups, bps, etc) and this other site supports the latter formats https://hack64.net/tools/patcher.php Free public domain roms for use with emulators can be found [http://www.pdroms.de/ here] as most of the rest are covered by copyright rules. If you like to read about old games see [http://retrogamingtimes.com/ here] and [http://www.armchairarcade.com/neo/ here] and a [http://www.vintagecomputing.com/ blog] about old computers. Possibly some of the [http://www.answers.com/topic/list-of-best-selling-computer-and-video-games best selling] of all time. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_computer_system_emulators Wiki] with emulated systems list. [https://archive.gamehistory.org/ Archive of VGHF], [https://library.gamehistory.org/ Video Game History Foundation Library search] {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:10%;|Games [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer Emulation] !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|AmigaOS3(68k) !width:10%;|AmigaOS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Amstrad CPC |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer], [ Caprice32 (OpenGL & pure SDL)], [ Arnold], [https://retroshowcase.gr/cpcbox-master/], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer] |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=2], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Apple2 and 2GS |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Arcade |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem Mame], [ SI Emu (ABIv0 only)], |<!--Amiga OS-->Mame, |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem xmame], amiarcadia, |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=2 Mame], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Atari 2600 [], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem Stella], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Atari 5200 [https://github.com/wavemotion-dave/A5200DS A5200DS], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Atari 7800 |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Atari 400 800 130XL [https://github.com/wavemotion-dave/A8DS A8DS], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer Atari800], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Atari Lynx |<!--AROS-->[http://myfreefilehosting.com/f/6366e11bdf_1.93MB Handy (ABIv0 only)], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Atari Jaguar |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Bandai Wonderswan |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation BBC Micro and Acorn Electron [http://beehttps://bem-unix.bbcmicro.com/download.html BeebEm], [http://b-em.bbcmicro.com/ B-Em], [http://elkulator.acornelectron.co.uk/ Elkulator], [http://electrem.emuunlim.com/ ElectrEm], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Dragon 32 and Tandy CoCo [http://www.6809.org.uk/xroar/ xroar], [], |<!--AROS-->[], [], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Commodore C16 Plus4 |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Commodore C64 |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer Vice (ABIv0 only)], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->Frodo, |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem viceplus], |<!--MorphOS-->Vice, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Commodore Amiga |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer Janus UAE], Emumiga, |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer UAE], |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=2 UAE], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Japanese MSX MSX2 |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Mattel Intelivision |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Mattel Colecovision and Adam |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Milton Bradley (MB) Vectrex [ Vectrex OpenGL], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation PICO8 Pico-8 fantasy video game console [https://github.com/egordorichev/pemsa-sdl/ pemsa-sdl], [https://github.com/jtothebell/fake-08 fake-08], [https://github.com/Epicpkmn11/fake-08/tree/wip fake-08 fork], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Nintendo Gameboy |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem vba no sound], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem vba] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Nintendo NES |<!--AROS-->[ EmiNES], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem Fceu], [https://github.com/takahirox/nes-js?tab=readme-ov-file nes-js], [https://github.com/bfirsh/jsnes jsnes], [https://github.com/angelo-wf/NesJs NesJs], |<!--Amiga OS-->AmiNES, [http://www.dridus.com/~nyef/darcnes/ darcNES], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem amines] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Nintendo SNES |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem Zsnes], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem warpsnes] |<!--MorphOS-->[http://fabportnawak.free.fr/snes/ Snes9x], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Nintendo N64 *HLE and plugins [ mupen64], [https://github.com/ares-emulator/ares ares], [https://github.com/N64Recomp/N64Recomp N64Recomp], [https://github.com/rt64/rt64 rt64], [https://github.com/simple64/simple64 Simple64], *LLE [], |<!--AROS-->[http://code.google.com/p/mupen64plus/ Mupen64+], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://code.google.com/p/mupen64plus/ Mupen64+], [http://aminet.net/package/misc/emu/tr-981125_src TR64], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[ Nintendo Gamecube Wii] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[ Nintendo Wii U] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[https://github.com/yuzu-emu Nintendo Switch] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation NEC PC Engine |<!--AROS-->[], [], [https://github.com/yhzmr442/jspce js-pce], |[http://www.hugo.fr.fm/ Hugo], [http://mednafen.sourceforge.net/ Mednafen], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem tgemu] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sega Master System (SMS) |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem Dega], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem sms], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem osmose] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sega Genesis/Megadrive |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem gp no sound], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem DGen], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://code.google.com/p/genplus-gx/ Genplus], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem genesisplus] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sega Saturn *HLE [https://mednafen.github.io/ mednafen], [http://yabause.org/ yabause], [], *LLE [], [], |<!--AROS-->? |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://yabause.org/ Yabause], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sega Dreamcast *HLE [https://github.com/flyinghead/flycast flycast], [https://code.google.com/archive/p/nulldc/downloads NullDC], *LLE [], [], |<!--AROS-->? |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sinclair ZX80 and ZX81 |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer], [], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sinclair Spectrum |[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer Fuse (crackly sound)], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer SimCoupe], [ FBZX slow], [https://jsspeccy.zxdemo.org/ jsspeccy], [http://torinak.com/qaop/games qaop], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.lasernet.plus.com/ Asp], [http://www.zophar.net/sinclair.html Speculator], [http://www.worldofspectrum.org/x128/index.html X128], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sinclair QL |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://aminet.net/package/misc/emu/QDOS4amiga1 QDOS4amiga] |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation SNK NeoGeo Pocket |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem gngeo], NeoPop, |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sony PlayStation |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem FPSE], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem FPSE] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[ Sony PS2] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[ Sony PS3] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[https://vita3k.org/ Sony Vita] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[https://github.com/shadps4-emu/shadPS4 PS4] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tangerine_Computer_Systems Tangerine] Oric and Atmos |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer Oricutron] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem Oricutron] |<!--MorphOS-->[http://aminet.net/package/misc/emu/oricutron Oricutron] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation TI 99/4 99/4A [https://github.com/wavemotion-dave/DS994a DS994a], [], [https://js99er.net/#/ js99er], [], [http://aminet.net/package/misc/emu/TI4Amiga TI4Amiga], [http://aminet.net/package/misc/emu/TI4Amiga_src TI4Amiga src in c], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation HP 38G 40GS 48 49G/50G Graphing Calculators |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation TI 58 83 84 85 86 - 89 92 Graphing Calculators |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:10%;|Games [https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/ General] !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|AmigaOS3(68k) !width:10%;|AmigaOS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Games [https://www.trackawesomelist.com/michelpereira/awesome-open-source-games/ Open Source and others] || AROS || Amiga OS || Amiga OS4 || Morphos |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Action like [https://github.com/BSzili/OpenLara/tree/amiga/src source of openlara SDL2], [https://github.com/opentomb/OpenTomb opentomb], [https://github.com/LostArtefacts/TRX TRX formerly Tomb1Main], [https://github.com/TombEngine TombEngine], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/action Thrust], [https://github.com/fragglet/sdl-sopwith sdl sopwith], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/action], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/action BOH], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Adventure like [http://dotg.sourceforge.net/ DMJ], [https://github.com/kromenak/gengine Gabriel Knight 3], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/adventure], [https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=browse&cat=emulation/misc ScummVM], [http://www.toolness.com/wp/category/interactive-fiction/ Infocom], [http://www.accardi-by-the-sea.org/ Zork Online]. [http://www.sarien.net/ Sierra Sarien], [http://www.ucw.cz/draci-historie/index-en.html Dragon History for ScummVM], [] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Board like [https://github.com/aperture-software/colditz-escape escape from colditz], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/board], [http://amigan.1emu.net/releases Africa] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Cards like |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/card ], [], |<!--AmigaOS-->[http://home.arcor.de/amigasolitaire/e/welcome.html Reko], [https://github.com/samskivert/beschei-en beschei Src], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Misc [https://github.com/michelpereira/awesome-open-source-games Awesome open], [https://github.com/bobeff/open-source-games General Open Source], [https://github.com/SAT-R/sa2 Sonic Advance 2], [https://github.com/velorek1/cwordle Wordle type], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/misc], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games FPS like [https://aminet.net/package/game/shoot/D1X_Rebirth_AGA Descent D1X src], [https://github.com/DescentDevelopers/Descent3 Descent 3], [https://github.com/Fewnity/Counter-Strike-Nintendo-DS Counter-Strike-Nintendo-DS], [https://github.com/Aleph-One-Marathon/alephone Bungie Marathon 1994], [https://bszili.morphos.me/ gzdoom skulltag], |<!--AROS-->Doom, Quake, [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Quake 3 Arena (OpenGL)], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Cube (OpenGL)], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Assault Cube (OpenGL)], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Cube 2 Sauerbraten (OpenGL)], [http://fodquake.net/test/ FodQuake QuakeWorld], [ Duke Nukem 3D], [ Darkplaces Nexuiz Xonotic], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Doom 3 SDL (OpenGL)], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Hexenworld and Hexen 2], [ Aliens vs Predator Gold 2000 (openGL)], [ Odamex (openGL doom)], |<!--Amiga OS-->Doom, Quake, AB3D, Fears, Breathless, |<!--AmigaOS4-->Doom, Quake, |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=12 Doom], Quake, Quake 3 Arena, [https://github.com/OpenXRay/xray-16 S.T.A.L.K.E.R Xray] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games MMORG like |<!--AROS-->[ Eternal Lands (OpenGL)], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Platform like |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/platform], [ Maze of Galious], [ Gish]*(openGL), [ Mega Mario], [http://www.gianas-return.de/ Giana's Return], [http://www.sqrxz.de/ Sqrxz], [.html Aquaria]*(openGL), [http://www.sqrxz2.de/ Sqrxz 2], [http://www.sqrxz.de/sqrxz-3/ Sqrxz 3], [http://www.sqrxz.de/sqrxz-4/ Sqrxz 4], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/platform Cave Story], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Puzzle [https://github.com/mariopartyrd/marioparty4/tree/port Party], [], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/puzzle], [ Cubosphere (OpenGL)], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/puzzle Candy Crisis], [http://bszili.morphos.me/ TailTale], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Racing [ Trigger Rally], [ VDrift], [http://www.ultimatestunts.nl/index.php?page=2&lang=en Ultimate Stunts], [http://maniadrive.raydium.org/ Mania Drive], [https://github.com/plowteam/donut Simpsons Hit and Run], [], |<!--AROS-->[ Super Tux Kart (OpenGL)], [http://www.dusabledanslherbe.eu/AROSPage/F1Spirit.30.html F1 Spirit (OpenGL)], [http://bszili.morphos.me/index.html MultiRacer], |<!--AmigaOS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://bszili.morphos.me/index.html Speed Dreams], |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=12], [http://bszili.morphos.me/index.html TORCS], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games 1st first person DRPG [https://wiki.rpg.net/index.php/Open_Game_Systems Misc], [https://github.com/OpenEnroth/OpenEnroth OpenEnroth MM], [] |<!--AROS-->[https://github.com/BSzili/aros-stuff Arx Libertatis], [http://www.playfuljs.com/a-first-person-engine-in-265-lines/ js raycaster], [https://github.com/Dorthu/es6-crpg webgl], [https://github.com/sonountaleban/AmiShockolate System Shock], [], [], |<!--AmigaOS-->Phantasie, Faery Tale, Dungeon Master, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games 3rd third person action CRPG [https://sourceforge.net/projects/sumwars/ Summoning Wars], [https://www.solarus-games.org/ Solarus], [https://wiki.rpg.net/index.php/Open_Game_Systems Misc], [https://github.com/alexbatalov/fallout1-ce fallout ce], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games isometric RPG [https://sourceforge.net/projects/sumwars/ Summoning Wars], [https://www.solarus-games.org/ Solarus], [https://wiki.rpg.net/index.php/Open_Game_Systems Misc], [https://github.com/topics/dungeon?l=javascript Dungeon], [], [https://github.com/clintbellanger/heroine-dusk JS Dusk], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/roleplaying nethack], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/roleplaying GemRB], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games card based RPG [https://github.com/open-duelyst/duelyst Duelyst], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Rhythm, Beat, Step [], [], [https://clonehero.net/ clonehero], [https://github.com/MatteoGodzilla/Dj-Engine Dj-Engine], |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/misc Frets on Fire], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Shoot Em Ups [http://www.mhgames.org/oldies/formido/ Formido], [http://code.google.com/p/violetland/ Violetland], ||<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/action Open Tyrian], [http://www.parallelrealities.co.uk/projects/starfighter.php Starfighter], [ Alien Blaster], [https://github.com/OpenFodder/openfodder OpenFodder], |<!--AmigaOS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.parallelrealities.co.uk/projects/starfighter.php Starfighter], |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Simulations [http://scp.indiegames.us/ Freespace 2], [http://www.heptargon.de/gl-117/gl-117.html GL117], [http://code.google.com/p/corsix-th/ Theme Hospital], [http://code.google.com/p/freerct/ Rollercoaster Tycoon], [http://hedgewars.org/ Hedgewars], [https://github.com/raceintospace/raceintospace raceintospace], [https://github.com/Return-To-The-Roots RTTR Settlers 2], [https://github.com/OoliteProject/oolite oolite elite], [https://github.com/fesh0r/newkind newkind elite], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->SimCity, SimAnt, Sim Hospital, Theme Park, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=12] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Life Sim [https://github.com/ACreTeam/forest Animal Crossing], [ ], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Strategy [http://rtsgus.org/ RTSgus], [http://wargus.sourceforge.net/ Wargus], [http://stargus.sourceforge.net/ Stargus], [https://github.com/KD-lab-Open-Source/Perimeter Perimeter], [https://matty77.itch.io/conflict-3049 conflict-3049], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/strategy MegaGlest (OpenGL)], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/strategy UFO:AI (OpenGL)], [http://play.freeciv.org/ FreeCiv], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=12] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Horror [https://github.com/Mikompilation/MikuPan Fatal Frame], [ ], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Sandbox Voxel Open World Exploration [https://github.com/UnknownShadow200/ClassiCube Classicube],[http://www.michaelfogleman.com/craft/ Craft], [https://github.com/tothpaul/DelphiCraft DelphiCraft],[https://www.minetest.net/ Luanti formerly Minetest], [ infiniminer], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Battle Royale [https://bruh.io/ Play.Bruh.io], [https://www.coolmathgames.com/0-copter Copter Royale], [https://surviv.io/ Surviv.io], [https://nuggetroyale.io/#Ketchup Nugget Royale], [https://miniroyale2.io/ Miniroyale2.io], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Tower Defense [https://chriscourses.github.io/tower-defense/ HTML5], [https://github.com/SBardak/Tower-Defense-Game TD C++], [https://github.com/bdoms/love_defense LUA and LOVE], [https://github.com/HyOsori/Osori-WebGame HTML5], [https://github.com/PascalCorpsman/ConfigTD ConfigTD Pascal], [https://github.com/GloriousEggroll/wine-ge-custom Wine], [] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Visual Novel Engines [https://github.com/Kirilllive/tuesday-js Tuesday JS], [ Lua + LOVE], [https://github.com/weetabix-su/renpsp-dev RenPSP], [https://github.com/Galladite27/ONScripter-EN ONScripter-EN], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Virtual Reality VR [https://gitlab.com/madsbuvi/openmw openmw vr], [https://github.com/Team-Beef-Studios/BeefRaiderXR BeefRaiderXR], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Virtual Table Top VTT [ Roll20], [https://www.owlbear.rodeo/ owlbear rodeo], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Computer assisted TableTop TTRPG OSR [https://www.rpgsolo.com/play.php RPGSolo], [https://github.com/fpsvogel/solo-ttrpgs Solo TTRPG], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games 2D 3D Engines [https://github.com/fegennari/3DWorld 3DWorld], [https://github.com/GarageGames/Torque3D Torque3D], [https://github.com/gameplay3d/GamePlay GamePlay 3D], [https://www.babylonjs.com/ BabylonJS ], [ Godot], [ Ogre], [ Crystal Space], [], [], [], |<!--AROS-->[https://www.arkhamdev.net/wiki.htm?id=agx Arkham Development antiryadgx 8.9 lts with register], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games C based game frameworks [https://github.com/orangeduck/Corange Corange], [https://github.com/scottcgi/Mojoc Mojoc], [https://orx-project.org/ Orx], [https://github.com/ioquake/ioq3 Quake 3], [https://www.mapeditor.org/ Tiled], [https://www.raylib.com/ 2d Raylib], [https://github.com/Rabios/awesome-raylib other raylib], [https://github.com/MrFrenik/gunslinger Gunslinger], [https://o3de.org/ o3d], [http://archives.aros-exec.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=development/library GLFW], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=development/library Raylib 5], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Virtual Pinball [https://github.com/vpinball/vpinball vpinball], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |} ==Application Guides== [[#top|...to the top]] ===Web Browser=== OWB is now at version 2.0 (which got an engine refresh, from July 2015 to February 2019) and 3.0. This latest version has a good support for many/most web sites, even YouTube web page now works. This improved compatibility comes at the expense of higher RAM usage (now 1GB RAM is the absolute minimum). Also, keep in mind that the lack of a JIT (Just-In-Time) JS compiler on the 32 bit version, makes the web surfing a bit slow. Only the 64 bit version of OWB 2.0 will have JIT enabled, thus benefitting of more speed. There are tooltypes that can be added to the icon to provide further features JIT, MSE etc Certificates from [https://curl.se/docs/caextract.html ca certs], DNS tracking blocking with [https://easylist.to/easylist/easylist.txt easylist.txt] in PROGDIR:Conf before starting browser with enabled AdBlock [https://github.com/easylist/easylist/tree/master easylist], [https://gitlab.com/eyeo anti abp], [https://firebog.net/ big blocklist], [https://github.com/StevenBlack/hosts Steves], [], [], This can be enabled with OWB Odyssey with Windows -> Content Blocking and Windows -> Messages and enter https://www.youtube.com/api/stats/ads* https://www.youtube.com/pagead/adview* https://www.youtube.com#@##player-ads* into your custom filters Element blocker browser extension might be needed for [https://github.com/easylist/easylist/wiki/Youtube-Issues youtube], [ mid roll], [ pre roll], [ ], OWB speed is much better when running from RAM Disk, the best way is to add the below into your S:User-Startup which copies OWB drawer from Extras:Internet/OWB to RAM Disk: So add this : <pre> copy Extras:Internet/OWB Ram:OWB/ ALL CLONE >NIL: copy Extras:Internet/OWB.info Ram: >NIL: </pre> Open RAM Disk and open OWB drawer and double click on OWB icon so that the above icon tooltypes are activated Problems are that the copy time is long (around 20 seconds added in the background), but we can make it faster if we delete useless files from the OWB drawer (docs, …) If you don’t copy the drawer back onto the HD, you won’t save your cache, cookies, passwords… So you need a script for it. Error messages SSL error "cant verify with ca-certificates", check bios clock time date is correct Error 6, try checking networking prefs settings and Save / Use preferences again or a '''few times''' otherwise the network chipset may not be compatible with Aros [https://www.google.com/search?q=%s&udm=14 Google search without AI overview] ===E-mail=== YAM does not support SSL and most mail providers now switched to encrypted SMTP/POP3 connections ====SimpleMail==== SimpleMail supports IMAP and appears to work with GMail, but it's never been reliable enough, it can crash with large mailboxes. Please read more on this [http://www.freelists.org/list/simplemail-usr User list] GMail Be sure to activate the pop3 usage in your gmail account setup / configuration first. pop3: pop.gmail.com Use SSL: Yes Port: 995 smtp: smtp.gmail.com (with authentication) Use Authentication: Yes Use SSL: Yes Port: 465 or 587 Hotmail/MSN/outlook/Microsoft Mail mid-2017, all outlook.com accounts will be migrated to Office 365 / Exchange Most users are currently on POP which does not allow showing folders and many other features (technical limitations of POP3). With Microsoft IMAP you will get folders, sync read/unread, and show flags. You still won't get push though, as Microsoft has not turned on the IMAP Idle command as at Sept 2013. If you want to try it, you need to first remove (you can't edit) your pop account (long-press the account on the accounts screen, delete account). Then set it up this way: 1. Email/Password 2. Manual 3. IMAP 4. * Incoming: imap-mail.outlook.com, port 993, SSL/TLS should be checked * Outgoing: smtp-mail.outlook.com, port 587, SSL/TLS should be checked * POP server name pop-mail.outlook.com, port 995, POP encryption method SSL Yahoo Mail On April 24, 2002 Yahoo ceased to offer POP access to its free mail service. Introducing instead a yearly payment feature, allowing users POP3 and IMAP server support, along with such benefits as larger file attachment sizes and no adverts. Sorry to see Yahoo leaving its users to cough up for the privilege of accessing their mail. Understandable, when competing against rivals such as Gmail and Hotmail who hold a large majority of users and were hacked in 2014 as well. Incoming Mail (IMAP) Server * Server - imap.mail.yahoo.com * Port - 993 * Requires SSL - Yes Outgoing Mail (SMTP) Server * Server - smtp.mail.yahoo.com * Port - 465 or 587 * Requires SSL - Yes * Requires authentication - Yes Your login info * Email address - Your full email address (name@domain.com) * Password - Your account's password * Requires authentication - Yes Note that you need to enable “Web & POP Access” in your Yahoo Mail account to send and receive Yahoo Mail messages through any other email program. You will have to enable “Allow your Yahoo Mail to be POPed” under “POP and Forwarding”, to send and receive Yahoo mails through any other email client. Cannot be done since 2002 unless the customer pays Yahoo a subscription subs fee to have access to SMTP and POP3 * Set the POP server for incoming mails as pop.mail.yahoo.com. You will have to enable “SSL” and use 995 for Port. * “Account Name or Login Name” – Your Yahoo Mail ID i.e. your email address without the domain “@yahoo.com”. * “Email Address” – Your Yahoo Mail address i.e. your email address including the domain “@yahoo.com”. E.g. myname@yahoo.com * “Password” – Your Yahoo Mail password. Yahoo! Mail Plus users may have to set POP server as plus.pop.mail.yahoo.com and SMTP server as plus.smtp.mail.yahoo.com. * Set the SMTP server for outgoing mails as smtp.mail.yahoo.com. You will also have to make sure that “SSL” is enabled and use 465 for port. you must also enable “authentication” for this to work. ====YAM Yet Another Mailer==== YAM does not support SSL and most mail providers have now switched to encrypted SMTP/POP3 connections This email client is POP3 only if the SSL library is available [http://www.freelists.org/list/yam YAM Freelists] One of the downsides of using a POP3 mailer unfortunately - you have to set an option not to delete the mail if you want it left on the server. IMAP keeps all the emails on the server. Possible issues Sending mail issues is probably a matter of using your ISP's SMTP server, though it could also be an SSL issue. getting a "Couldn't initialise TLSv1 / SSL error Use of on-line e-mail accounts with this email client is not possible as it lacks the OpenSSL AmiSSl v3 compatible library GMail Incoming Mail (POP3) Server - requires SSL: pop.gmail.com Use SSL: Yes Port: 995 Outgoing Mail (SMTP) Server - requires TLS: smtp.gmail.com (use authentication) Use Authentication: Yes Use STARTTLS: Yes (some clients call this SSL) Port: 465 or 587 Account Name: your Gmail username (including '@gmail.com') Email Address: your full Gmail email address (username@gmail.com) Password: your Gmail password Anyway, the SMTP is pop.gmail.com port 465 and it uses SSLLv3 Authentication. The POP3 settings are for the same server (pop.gmail.com), only on port 995 instead. Outlook.com access <pre > Outlook.com SMTP server address: smtp.live.com Outlook.com SMTP user name: Your full Outlook.com email address (not an alias) Outlook.com SMTP password: Your Outlook.com password Outlook.com SMTP port: 587 Outlook.com SMTP TLS/SSL encryption required: yes </pre > Yahoo Mail <pre > “POP3 Server” – Set the POP server for incoming mails as pop.mail.yahoo.com. You will have to enable “SSL” and use 995 for Port. “SMTP Server” – Set the SMTP server for outgoing mails as smtp.mail.yahoo.com. You will also have to make sure that “SSL” is enabled and use 465 for port. you must also enable “authentication” for this to work. “Account Name or Login Name” – Your Yahoo Mail ID i.e. your email address without the domain “@yahoo.com”. “Email Address” – Your Yahoo Mail address i.e. your email address including the domain “@yahoo.com”. E.g. myname@yahoo.com “Password” – Your Yahoo Mail password. </pre > Yahoo! Mail Plus users may have to set POP server as plus.pop.mail.yahoo.com and SMTP server as plus.smtp.mail.yahoo.com. Note that you need to enable “Web & POP Access” in your Yahoo Mail account to send and receive Yahoo Mail messages through any other email program. You will have to enable “Allow your Yahoo Mail to be POPed” under “POP and Forwarding”, to send and receive Yahoo mails through any other email client. Cannot be done since 2002 unless the customer pays Yahoo a monthly fee to have access to SMTP and POP3 Microsoft Outlook Express Mail 1. Get the files to your PC. By whatever method get the files off your Amiga onto your PC. In the YAM folder you have a number of different folders, one for each of your folders in YAM. Inside that is a file usually some numbers such as 332423.283. YAM created a new file for every single email you received. 2. Open up a brand new Outlook Express. Just configure the account to use 127.0.0.1 as mail servers. It doesn't really matter. You will need to manually create any subfolders you used in YAM. 3. You will need to do a mass rename on all your email files from YAM. Just add a .eml to the end of it. Amazing how PCs still rely mostly on the file name so it knows what sort of file it is rather than just looking at it! There are a number of multiple renamers online to download and free too. 4. Go into each of your folders, inbox, sent items etc. And do a select all then drag the files into Outlook Express (to the relevant folder obviously) Amazingly the file format that YAM used is very compatible with .eml standard and viola your emails appear. With correct dates and working attachments. 5. If you want your email into Microsoft Outlook. Open that up and create a new profile and a new blank PST file. Then go into File Import and choose to import from Outlook Express. And the mail will go into there. And viola.. you have your old email from your Amiga in a more modern day format. ===FTP=== Magellan has a great FTP module. It allows transferring files from/to a FTP server over the Internet or the local network and, even if FTP is perceived as a "thing of the past", its usability is all inside the client. The FTP thing has a nice side effect too, since every Icaros machine can be a FTP server as well, and our files can be easily transferred from an Icaros machine to another with a little configuration effort. First of all, we need to know the 'server' IP address. Server is the Icaros machine with the file we are about to download on another Icaros machine, that we're going to call 'client'. To do that, move on the server machine and 1) run Prefs/Services to be sure "FTP file transfer" is enabled (if not, enable it and restart Icaros); 2) run a shell and enter this command: ifconfig -a Make a note of the IP address for the network interface used by the local area network. For cabled devices, it usually is net0:. Now go on the client machine and run Magellan: Perform these actions: 1) click on FTP; 2) click on ADDRESS BOOK; 3) click on "New". You can now add a new entry for your Icaros server machine: 1) Choose a name for your server, in order to spot it immediately in the address book. Enter the IP address you got before. 2) click on Custom Options: 1) go to Miscellaneous in the left menu; 2) Ensure "Passive Transfers" is NOT selected; 3) click on Use. We need to deactivate Passive Transfers because YAFS, the FTP server included in Icaros, only allows active transfers at the current stage. Now, we can finally connect to our new file source: 1) Look into the address book for the newly introduced server, be sure that name and IP address are right, and 2) click on Connect. A new lister with server's "MyWorkspace" contents will appear. You can now transfer files over the network choosing a destination among your local (client's) volumes. Can be adapted to any FTP client on any platform of your choice, just be sure your client allows Active Transfers as well. ===IRC Internet Relay Chat=== Jabberwocky is ideal for one-to-one social media communication, use IRC if you require one to many. Just type a message in ''lowercase''' letters and it will be posted to all in the [ AROS irc channel]. Please do not use UPPER CASE as it is a sign of SHOUTING which is annoying. Other things to type in - replace <message> with a line of text and <nick> with a person's name <pre> /help /list /who /whois <nick> /msg <nick> <message> /query <nick> <message>s /query /away <message> /away /quit <going away message> </pre> [http://irchelp.org/irchelp/new2irc.html#smiley Intro guide here]. IRC Primer can be found here in [http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/ircprimer.html html], [http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/text/ircprimer.txt TXT], [http://www.kei.com/irc/IRCprimer1.1.ps PostScript]. Issue the command /me <text> where <text> is the text that should follow your nickname. Example: /me slaps ajk around a bit with a large trout /nick <newNick> /nickserv register <password> <email address> /ns instead of /nickserv, while others might need /msg nickserv /nickserv identify <password> Alternatives: /ns identify <password> /msg nickserv identify <password> ==== IRC WookieChat ==== WookieChat is the most complete internet client for communication across the IRC Network. WookieChat allows you to swap ideas and communicate in real-time, you can also exchange Files, Documents, Images and everything else using the application's DCC capabilities. add smilies drawer/directory run wookiechat from the shell and set stack to 1000000 e.g. wookiechat stack 1000000 select a server / server window * nickname * user name * real name - optional Once you configure the client with your preferred screen name, you'll want to find a channel to talk in. servers * New Server - click on this to add / add extra - change details in section below this click box * New Group * Delete Entry * Connect to server * connect in new tab * perform on connect Change details * Servername - change text in this box to one of the below Server: * Port number - no need to change * Server password * Channel - add #channel from below * auto join - can click this * nick registration password, Click Connect to server button above <pre> Server: irc.freenode.net Channel: #aros </pre> irc://irc.freenode.net/aros <pre> Server: chat.amigaworld.net Channel: #amigaworld or #amigans </pre> <pre> On Sunday evenings USA time usually starting around 3PM EDT (1900 UTC) Server:irc.superhosts.net Channel #team*amiga </pre> <pre> BitlBee and Minbif are IRCd-like gateways to multiple IM networks Server: im.bitlbee.org Port 6667 Seems to be most useful on WookieChat as you can be connected to several servers at once. One for Bitlbee and any messages that might come through that. One for your normal IRC chat server. </pre> [http://www.bitlbee.org/main.php/servers.html Other servers], <pre> #Amiga.org - irc.synirc.net eu.synirc.net dissonance.nl.eu.synirc.net (IPv6: 2002:5511:1356:0:216:17ff:fe84:68a) twilight.de.eu.synirc.net zero.dk.eu.synirc.net us.synirc.net avarice.az.us.synirc.net envy.il.us.synirc.net harpy.mi.us.synirc.net liberty.nj.us.synirc.net snowball.mo.us.synirc.net - Ports 6660-6669 7001 (SSL) </pre> <pre> Multiple server support "Perform on connect" scripts and channel auto-joins Automatic Nickserv login Tabs for channels and private conversations CTCP PING, TIME, VERSION, SOUND Incoming and Outgoing DCC SEND file transfers Colours for different events Logging and automatic reloading of logs mIRC colour code filters Configurable timestamps GUI for changing channel modes easily Configurable highlight keywords URL Grabber window Optional outgoing swear word filter Event sounds for tabs opening, highlighted words, and private messages DCC CHAT support Doubleclickable URL's Support for multiple languages using LOCALE Clone detection Auto reconnection to Servers upon disconnection Command aliases Chat display can be toggled between AmIRC and mIRC style Counter for Unread messages Graphical nicklist and graphical smileys with a popup chooser </pre> ====IRC Aircos ==== Double click on Aircos icon in Extras:Networking/Apps/Aircos. It has been set up with a guest account for trial purposes. Though ideally, choose a nickname and password for frequent use of irc. ====IRC and XMPP Jabberwocky==== Servers are setup and close down at random You sign up to a server that someone else has setup and access chat services through them. The two ways to access chat from jabberwocky <pre > Jabberwocky -> Server -> XMPP -> open and ad-free Jabberwocky -> Server -> Transports (Gateways) -> Proprietary closed systems </pre > The Jabber.org service connects with all IM services that use XMPP, the open standard for instant messaging and presence over the Internet. The services we connect with include Google Talk (closed), Live Journal Talk, Nimbuzz, Ovi, and thousands more. However, you can not connect from Jabber.org to proprietary services like AIM, ICQ, MSN, Skype, or Yahoo because they don’t yet use XMPP components (XEP-0114) '''but''' you can use Jabber.com's servers and IM gateways (MSN, ICQ, Yahoo etc.) instead. The best way to use jabberwocky is in conjunction with a public jabber server with '''transports''' to your favorite services, like gtalk, Facebook, yahoo, ICQ, AIM, etc. You have to register with one of the servers, [https://list.jabber.at/ this list] or [http://www.jabberes.org/servers/ another list], [http://xmpp.net/ this security XMPP list], Unfortunately jabberwocky can only connect to one server at a time so it is best to check what services each server offers. If you set it up with separate Facebook and google talk accounts, for example, sometimes you'll only get one or the other. Jabberwocky open a window where the Jabber server part is typed in as well as your Nickname and Password. Jabber ID (JID) identifies you to the server and other users. Once registered the next step is to goto Jabberwocky's "Windows" menu and select the "Agents" option. The "Agents List" window will open. Roster (contacts list) [http://search.wensley.org.uk/ Chatrooms] (MUC) are available File Transfer - can send and receive files through the Jabber service but not with other services like IRC, ICQ, AIM or Yahoo. All you need is an installed webbrowser and OpenURL. Clickable URLs - The message window uses Mailtext.mcc and you can set a URL action in the MUI mailtext prefs like SYS:Utils/OpenURL %s NEWWIN. There is no consistent Skype like (H.323 VoIP) video conferencing available over Jabber. The move from xmpp to Jingle should help but no support on any amiga-like systems at the moment. [http://aminet.net/package/dev/src/AmiPhoneSrc192 AmiPhone] and [http://www.lysator.liu.se/%28frame,faq,nobg,useframes%29/ahi/v4-site/ Speak Freely] was an early attempt voice only contact. SIP and Asterisk are other PBX options. Facebook If you're using the XMPP transport provided by Facebook themselves, chat.facebook.com, it looks like they're now requiring SSL transport. This means jabberwocky method below will no longer work. The best thing to do is to create an ID on a public jabber server which has a Facebook gateway. <pre > 1. launch jabberwocky 2. if the login window doesn't appear on launch, select 'account' from the jabberwocky menu 3. your jabber ID will be user@chat.facebook.com where user is your user ID 4. your password is your normal facebook password 5. to save this for next time, click the popup gadget next to the ID field 6. click the 'add' button 7. click the 'close' button 8. click the 'connect' button </pre > you're done. you can also click the 'save as default account' button if you want. jabberwocky configured to auto-connect when launching the program, but you can configure as you like. there is amigaguide documentation included with jabberwocky. [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=37085&forum=32 Read more here] for Facebook users, you can log-in directly to Facebook with jabberwocky. just sign in as @chat.facebook.com with your Facebook password as the password Twitter For a few years, there has been added a twitter transport. Servers include [http://jabber.hot-chilli.net/ jabber.hot-chili.net], and . An [http://jabber.hot-chilli.net/tag/how-tos/ How-to] :Read [http://jabber.hot-chilli.net/2010/05/09/twitter-transport-working/ more] Instagram no support at the moment best to use a web browser based client ICQ The new version (beta) of StriCQ uses a newer ICQ protocol. Most of the ICQ Jabber Transports still use an older ICQ protocol. You can only talk one-way to StriCQ using the older Transports. Only the newer ICQv7 Transport lets you talk both ways to StriCQ. Look at the server lists in the first section to check. Register on a Jabber server, e.g. this one works: http://www.jabber.de/ Then login into Jabberwocky with the following login data e.g. xxx@jabber.de / Password: xxx Now add your ICQ account under the window->Agents->"Register". Now Jabberwocky connects via the Jabber.de server with your ICQ account. Yahoo Messenger although yahoo! does not use xmpp protocol, you should be able to use the transport methods to gain access and post your replies MSN early months of 2013 Microsoft will ditch MSN Messenger client and force everyone to use Skype...but MSN protocol and servers will keep working as usual for quite a long time.... Occasionally the Messenger servers have been experiencing problems signing in. You may need to sign in at www.outlook.com and then try again. It may also take multiple tries to sign in. (This also affects you if you’re using Skype.) You have to check each servers' Agents List to see what transports (MSN protocol, ICQ protocol, etc.) are supported or use the list address' provided in the section above. Then register with each transport (IRC, MSN, ICQ, etc.) to which you need access. After registering you can Connect to start chatting. msn.jabber.com/registered should appear in the window. From this [http://tech.dir.groups.yahoo.com/group/amiga-jabberwocky/message/1378 JW group] guide which helps with this process in a clear, step by step procedure. 1. Sign up on MSN's site for a passport account. This typically involves getting a Hotmail address. 2. Log on to the Jabber server of your choice and do the following: * Select the "Windows/Agents" menu option in Jabberwocky. * Select the MSN Agent from the list presented by the server. * Click the Register button to open a new window asking for: **Username = passort account email address, typically your hotmail address. **Nick = Screen name to be shown to anyone you add to your buddy list. **Password = Password for your passport account/hotmail address. * Click the Register button at the bottom of the new window. 3. If all goes well, you will see the MSN Gateway added to your buddy list. If not, repeat part 2 on another server. Some servers may show MSN in their list of available agents, but have not updated their software for the latest protocols used by MSN. 4. Once you are registered, you can now add people to your buddy list. Note that you need to include the '''msn.''' ahead of the servername so that it knows what gateway agent to use. Some servers may use a slight variation and require '''msg.gate.''' before the server name, so try both to see what works. If my friend's msn was amiga@hotmail.co.uk and my jabber server was @jabber.meta.net.nz.. then amiga'''%'''hotmail.com@'''msn.'''jabber.meta.net.nz or another the trick to import MSN contacts is that you don't type the hotmail URL but the passport URL... e.g. Instead of: goodvibe%hotmail.com@msn.jabber.com You type: goodvibe%passport.com@msn.jabber.com And the thing about importing contacts I'm afraid you'll have to do it by hand, one at the time... Google Talk any XMPP server will work, but you have to add your contacts manually. a google talk user is typically either @gmail.com or @talk.google.com. a true gtalk transport is nice because it brings your contacts to you and (can) also support file transfers to/from google talk users. implement Jingle a set of extensions to the IETF's Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (XMPP) support ended early 2014 as Google moved to Google+ Hangouts which uses it own proprietary format ===Video Player MPlayer=== Many of the menu features (such as doubling) do not work with the current version of mplayer but using 4:3 mplayer -vf scale=800:600 file.avi 16:9 mplayer -vf scale=854:480 file.avi if you want gui use; mplayer -gui 1 <other params> file.avi <pre > stack 1000000 ; using AspireOS 1.xx ; copy FROM SYS:Extras/Multimedia/MPlayer/ TO RAM:MPlayer ALL CLONE > Nil: ; using Icaros Desktop 1.x ; copy FROM SYS:Tools/MPlayer/ TO RAM:MPlayer ALL CLONE > Nil: ; using Icaros Desktop 2.x ; copy FROM SYS:Utilities/MPlayer/ TO RAM:MPlayer ALL CLONE > Nil: cd RAM:MPlayer run MPlayer -gui > Nil: ;run MPlayer -gui -ao ahi_dev -playlist http://www.radio-paralax.de/listen.pls > Nil: </pre > $ mplayer rtsp://127.0.0.1:554/sample_300kbit.mp4 MPlayer supports multicast streaming, and rtp/rtsp protocols (it might require [http://www.live555.com/openRTSP/ live555 library] to work with some streams). But you might have to build it where it's disabled. Also, multicast won't work with some AmiTCP-likes. MIAMI supported it, though. AROS supports IPv4 (old but works) and this includes the needed address space for RTP. If you mean multicast via RTP - mplayer handles it. You can even force UDP over TCP -rtsp-stream-over-tcp If the rtsp Real Time Streaming Protocol server needs authentification: -user -passwd MPlayer - Menu - Open Playlist and load already downloaded .pls or .m3u file - auto starts around 4 percent cache MPlayer - Menu - Open Stream and copy one of the .pls lines below into space allowed, press OK and press play button on main gui interface Old 8bit 16bit remixes chip tune game music http://www.radio-paralax.de/listen.pls http://scenesat.com/ http://www.shoutcast.com/radio/Amiga http://www.theoldcomputer.com/retro_radio/RetroRadio_Main.htm http://www.kohina.com/ http://www.remix64.com/ http://retrogamer.net/forum/ http://retroasylum.podomatic.com/rss2.xml http://retrogamesquad.com/ http://www.retronauts.com/ http://monsterfeet.com/noquarter/ http://www.retrogamingradio.com/ http://www.radiofeeds.co.uk/mp3.asp [[#top|...to the top]] ====ZunePaint==== simplified typical workflow * importing and organizing and photo management * making global and regional local correction(s) - recalculation is necessary after each adjustment as it is not in real-time * exporting your images in the best format available with the preservation of metadata Whilst achieving 80% of a great photo with just a filter, the remaining 20% comes from a manual fine-tuning of specific image attributes. For photojournalism, documentary, and event coverage, minimal touching is recommended. Stick to Camera Raw for such shots, and limit changes to level adjustment, sharpness, noise reduction, and white balance correction. For fashion or portrait shoots, a large amount of adjustment is allowed and usually ends up far from the original. Skin smoothing, blemish removal, eye touch-ups, etc. are common. Might alter the background a bit to emphasize the subject. Product photography usually requires a lot of sharpening, spot removal, and focus stacking. For landscape shots, best results are achieved by doing the maximum amount of preparation before/while taking the shot. No amount of processing can match timing, proper lighting, correct gear, optimal settings, etc. Excessive post-processing might give you a dramatic shot but best avoided in the long term. * White Balance - Left Amiga or F12 and K and under "Misc color effects" tab with a pull down for White Balance - color temperature also known as AKA tint (movies) or tones (painting) - warm temp raise red reduce green blue - cool raise blue lower red green * Exposure - exposure compensation, highlight/shadow recovery * Noise Reduction - during RAW development or using external software * Lens Corrections - distortion, vignetting, chromatic aberrations * Detail - capture sharpening and local contrast enhancement * Contrast - black point, levels (sliders) and curves tools (F12 and K) * Framing - straighten () and crop (F12 and F) * Refinements - color adjustments and selective enhancements - Left Amiga or F12 and K for RGB and YUV histogram tabs - * Resizing - enlarge for a print or downsize for the web or email (F12 and D) * Output Sharpening - customized for your subject matter and print/screen size White Balance - F12 and K scan your image for a shade which was meant to be white (neutral with each RGB value being equal) like paper or plastic which is in the same light as the subject of the picture. Use the dropper tool to select this color, similar colours will shift and you will have selected the perfect white balance for your part of the image - for the whole picture make sure RAZ or CLR button at the bottom is pressed before applying to the image above. Exposure correction F12 and K - YUV Y luminosity - RGB extra red tint - move red curve slightly down and move blue green curves slightly up Workflows in practice * Undo - Right AROS key or F12 and Z * Redo - Right AROS key or F12 and R First flatten your image (if necessary) and then do a rotation until the picture looks level. * Crop the picture. Click the selection button and drag a box over the area of the picture you want to keep. Press the crop button and the rest of the photo will be gone. * Adjust your saturation, exposure, hue levels, etc., (right AROS Key and K for color correction) until you are happy with the photo. Make sure you zoom in all of the way to 100% and look the photo over, zoom back out and move around. Look for obvious problems with the picture. * After coloring and exposure do a sharpen (Right AROS key and E for Convolution and select drop down option needed), e.g. set the matrix to 5x5 (roughly equivalent Amount to 60%) and set the Radius to 1.0. Click OK. And save your picture Implemented or would like to see for simplification and ease of use basic filters (presets) like black and white, monochrome, edge detection (sobel), motion/gaussian blur, * negative, sepiatone, retro vintage, night vision, colour tint, color gradient, color temperature, glows, fire, lightning, lens flare, emboss, filmic, pixelate mezzotint, antialias, etc. adjust / cosmetic tools such as crop, * reshaping tools, straighten, smear, smooth, perspective, liquify, bloat, pucker, push pixels in any direction, dispersion, transform like warp, blending with soft light, page-curl, whirl, ripple, fisheye, neon, etc. * red eye fixing, blemish remover, skin smoothing, teeth whitener, make eyes look brighter, desaturate, effects like oil paint, cartoon, pencil sketch, charcoal, noise/matrix like sharpen/unsharpen, (right AROS key with A for Artistic effects) * blend two image, gradient blend, masking blend, explode, implode, custom collage, surreal painting, comic book style, needlepoint, stained glass, watercolor, mosaic, stencil/outline, crayon, chalk, etc. borders such as * dropshadow, rounded, blurred, color tint, picture frame, film strip polaroid, bevelled edge, etc. brushes e.g. * frost, smoke, etc. and manual control of fix lens issues including vignetting (darkening), color fringing and barrel distortion, and chromatic and geometric aberration - lens and body profiles perspective correction levels - directly modify the levels of the tone-values of an image, by using sliders for highlights, midtones and shadows curves - Color Adjustment and Brightness/Contrast color balance one single color transparent (alpha channel (color information/selections) for masking and/or blending ) for backgrounds, etc. Threshold indicates how much other colors will be considered mixture of the removed color and non-removed colors decompose layer into a set of layers with each holding a different type of pattern that is visible within the image any selection using any selecting tools like lasso tool, marquee tool etc. the selection will temporarily be save to alpha If you create your image without transparency then the Alpha channel is not present, but you can add later. File formats like .psd (Photoshop file has layers, masks etc. contains edited sensor data. The original sensor data is no longer available) .xcf .raw .hdr Image Picture Formats * low dynamic range (JPEG, PNG, TIFF 8-bit), 16-bit (PPM, TIFF), typically as a 16-bit TIFF in either ProPhoto or AdobeRGB colorspace - TIFF files are also fairly universal – although, if they contain proprietary data, such as Photoshop Adjustment Layers or Smart Filters, then they can only be opened by Photoshop making them proprietary. * linear high dynamic range (HDR) images (PFM, [http://www.openexr.com/ ILM .EXR], jpg, [http://aminet.net/util/dtype cr2] (canon tiff based), hdr, NEF, CRW, ARW, MRW, ORF, RAF (Fuji), PEF, DCR, SRF, ERF, DNG files are RAW converted to an Adobe proprietary format - a container that can embed the raw file as well as the information needed to open it) An old version of [http://archives.aros-exec.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/convert dcraw] There is no single RAW file format. Each camera manufacturer has one or more unique RAW formats. RAW files contain the brightness levels data captured by the camera sensor. This data cannot be modified. A second smaller file, separate XML file, or within a database with instructions for the RAW processor to change exposure, saturation etc. The extra data can be changed but the original sensor data is still there. RAW is technically least compatible. A raw file is high-bit (usually 12 or 14 bits of information) but a camera-generated TIFF file will be usually converted by the camera (compressed, downsampled) to 8 bits. The raw file has no embedded color balance or color space, but the TIFF has both. These three things (smaller bit depth, embedded color balance, and embedded color space) make it so that the TIFF will lose quality more quickly with image adjustments than the raw file. The camera-generated TIFF image is much more like a camera processed JPEG than a raw file. A strong advantage goes to the raw file. The power of RAW files, such as the ability to set any color temperature non-destructively and will contain more tonal values. The principle of preserving the maximum amount of information to as late as possible in the process. The final conversion - which will always effectively represent a "downsampling" - should prevent as much loss as possible. Once you save it as TIFF, you throw away some of that data irretrievably. When saving in the lossy JPEG format, you get tremendous file size savings, but you've irreversibly thrown away a lot of image data. As long as you have the RAW file, original or otherwise, you have access to all of the image data as captured. Keyboard equivalence with Photoshop(tm) would help File PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP New Ctrl+n New Open Ctrl+o Open Close Ctrl+w Close Save Ctrl+s Save Save as Shift+Ctrl+s Save as Revert F12 Revert Print Ctrl+p Print Exit Ctrl+q Quit Edit PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Undo/Redo (1 level) Ctrl+z Undo (Redo is Shift+Ctrl+z) Cut Ctrl+x Cut Copy Ctrl+c Copy Paste Ctrl+v Paste Paste Into Shift+Ctrl+v Paste Into Fill with FG color Alt+Backspace Fill with FG color Fill with BG color Control+Backspace Fill with BG color Image/Colors PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Levels Ctrl+l Levels Auto Contrast Shift+Ctrl+Alt+l Stretch Contrast (same?) Curves Ctrl+m Curves Color Balance Ctrl+b Color Balance Hue/Saturation Ctrl+u Hue-Saturation Desaturate Shift+Ctrl+u Desaturate Invert Ctrl+i Invert Default Colors d Default Colors Switch Colors x Switch Colors Layer PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP New Layer Shift+Ctrl+n New Layer Layer via Copy Ctrl+j Duplicate Layer Bring (layer) to Front Shift+Ctrl+] Layer to Top Send (layer) to Back Shift+Ctrl+[ Layer to Bottom Bring (layer) Forward Ctrl+] Raise Layer Send (layer) Backward Ctrl+[ Lower Layer Select Top Layer Shift+Alt+] Select Top Layer Select Bottom Layer Shift+Alt+[ Select Bottom Layer Select One Layer Forward Alt+] Select Previous Layer Select One Layer Backward Alt+[ Select Next Layer Merge Down Ctrl+e Merge Down Merge Visible Shift+Ctrl+e Merge Visible Preserve Transparency / Keep Transparency Cycle Modes Forwards Shift+= Next Layer Mode Cycle Modes Backwards Shift+- Previous Layer Mode Select PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Select All Ctrl+a Select All Deselect Ctrl+d Select None Inverse Shift+Ctrl+i Invert Feather Ctrl+Alt+d Feather View PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Zoom In Ctrl+= Zoom In Zoom Out Ctrl+- Zoom Out Fit on Screen Ctrl+0 Zoom to Fit Window Actual Pixels Ctrl+Alt+0 Zoom 1:1 Show/Hide Extras Ctrl+h Toggle Show Selection (close enough?) Show/Hide Guides Ctrl+' Toggle Show Guides Show/Hide Grid Ctrl+Alt+' Toggle Show Grid Show/Hide Rulers Ctrl+r Toggle Show Rulers Snap Ctrl+; Snap to Guides Scroll View Up Page Up Scroll Page Up Scroll View Down Page Down Scroll Page Down Scroll View Left Ctrl+Page Up Scroll Page Left Scroll View Right Ctrl+Page Down Scroll Page Right Window/Dialogs PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP ? F5 Tools Dialog Color Tab F6 Colors Dialog Layers Tab F7 Layers Dialog Info Tab F8 Image Information Tools PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Rectangular Marquee Tool m Rect Select Tool Elliptical Marquee Tool Shift+m Ellipse Select Tool *This is a toggle between 'Elliptical Marquee Tool' and 'Rectangular Marquee Tool' in Photoshop Move Tool v Move Tool Lasso Tool l Free Select Tool Magic Wand Tool w Fuzzy Select Tool Crop Tool c Crop & Resize Tool Airbrush Tool j Airbrush Tool Paintbrush Tool b Paintbrush Tool Clone Stamp Tool s Clone Stamp Tool Eraser Tool e Eraser Tool Gradient Tool g Blend Tool Paint Bucket Tool Shift+g Bucket Fill Tool *This is a toggle between 'Paint Bucket Tool' and 'Gradient Tool' in Photoshop Blur Tool r Convolve Tool Dodge Tool o DodgeBurn Tool Type Tool t Text Tool Pen Tool p Bezier Select Tool Eye Dropper Tool i Color Picker Tool Zoom Tool z Magnify Tool Previous Brush , Previous Brush Next Brush . Next Brush First Brush Shift+< First Brush Last Brush Shift+> Last Brush Decrease Brush Size [ Decrease Brush Size Increase Brush Size ] Increase Brush Size Decrease Brush Hardness { Decrease Brush Hardness Increase Brush Hardness } Increase Brush Hardness Help PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Help F1 Help Context Help Shift+F1 Context Help Misc. PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Last Filter Ctrl+f Repeat Last Filter ? Shift+Ctrl+f Reshow Last Filter Preferences Ctrl+k Preferences Liquify Shift+Ctrl+x IWarp (close enough?) Toggle Quick Mask q Toggle Quick Mask Spotlights - triangle of white opaque shape Cutting out and/or replacing unwanted background or features - select large areas with the selection option like the Magic Wand tool (aka Color Range) or the Lasso (quick and fast) with feather 2 to soften edge or the pen tool which adds points/lines/Bézier curves (better control but slower), hold down the shift button as you click to add extra points/areas of the subject matter to remove. Increase the tolerance to cover more areas. To subtract from your selection hold down alt as you're clicking. * Layer masks are a better way of working than Erase they clip (black hides/hidden white visible/reveal). Clone Stamp can be simulated by and brushes for other areas. * Leave the fine details like hair, fur, etc. to later with lasso and the shift key to draw a line all the way around your subject. Gradient Mapping - Inverse - Mask. i.e. Refine your selected image with edge detection and using the radius and edge options / adjuster (increase/decrease contrast) so that you will capture more fine detail from the background allowing easier removal. Remove fringe/halo saving image as png rather than jpg/jpeg to keep transparency background intact. Implemented [http://colorizer.org/ colour model representations] [http://paulbourke.net/texture_colour/colourspace/ Mathematical approach] - Photo stills are spatially 2d (h and w), but are colorimetrically 3d (r g and b, or H L S, or Y U V etc.) as well. * RGB - split cubed mapped color model for photos and computer graphics hardware using the light spectrum (adding and subtracting) * YUV - Y-Lightness U-blue/yellow V-red/cyan (similar to YPbPr and YCbCr) used in the PAL, NTSC, and SECAM composite digital TV color [http://crewofone.com/2012/chroma-subsampling-and-transcoding/#comment-7299 video] Histograms White balanced (neutral) if the spike happens in the same place in each channel of the RGB graphs. If not, you're not balanced. If you have sky you'll see the blue channel further off to the right. RGB is best one to change colours. These elements RGB is a 3-channel format containing data for Red, Green, and Blue in your photo scale between 0 and 255. The area in a picture that appears to be brighter/whiter contains more red color as compared to the area which is relatively darker. Similarly in the green channel the area that appears to be darker contains less amount of green color as compared to the area that appears to be brighter. Similarly in the blue channel the area appears to be darker contains less amount of blue color as compared to the area that appears to be brighter. Brightness luminance histogram also matches the green histogram more than any other color - human eye interprets green better e.g. RGB rough ratio 15/55/30% RGBA (RGB+A, A means alpha channel) . The alpha channel is used for "alpha compositing", which can mostly be associated as "opacity". AROS deals in RGB with two digits for every color (red, green, blue), in ARGB you have two additional hex digits for the alpha channel. The shadows are represented by the left third of the graph. The highlights are represented by the right third. And the midtones are, of course, in the middle. The higher the black peaks in the graph, the more pixels are concentrated in that tonal range (total black area). By moving the black endpoint, which identifies the shadows (darkness) and a white light endpoint (brightness) up and down either sides of the graph, colors are adjusted based on these points. By dragging the central one, can increased the midtones and control the contrast, raise shadows levels, clip or softly eliminate unsafe levels, alter gamma, etc... in a way that is much more precise and creative . RGB Curves * Move left endpoint (black point) up or right endpoint (white point) up brightens * Move left endpoint down or right endpoint down darkens Color Curves * Dragging up on the Red Curve increases the intensity of the reds in the image but * Dragging down on the Red Curve decreases the intensity of the reds and thus increases the apparent intensity of its complimentary color, cyan. Green’s complimentary color is magenta, and blue’s is yellow. <pre> Red <-> Cyan Green <->Magenta Blue <->Yellow </pre> YUV Best option to analyse and pull out statistical elements of any picture (i.e. separate luminance data from color data). The line in Y luma tone box represents the brightness of the image with the point in the bottom left been black, and the point in the top right as white. A low-contrast image has a concentrated clump of values nearer to the center of the graph. By comparison, a high-contrast image has a wider distribution of values across the entire width of the Histogram. A histogram that is skewed to the right would indicate a picture that is a bit overexposed because most of the color data is on the lighter side (increase exposure with higher value F), while a histogram with the curve on the left shows a picture that is underexposed. This is good information to have when using post-processing software because it shows you not only where the color data exists for a given picture, but also where any data has been clipped (extremes on edges of either side): that is, it does not exist and, therefore, cannot be edited. By dragging the endpoints of the line and as well as the central one, can increased the dark/shadows, midtones and light/bright parts and control the contrast, raise shadows levels, clip or softly eliminate unsafe levels, alter gamma, etc... in a way that is much more precise and creative . The U and V chroma parts show color difference components of the image. It’s useful for checking whether or not the overall chroma is too high, and also whether it’s being limited too much Can be used to create a negative image but also With U (Cb), the higher value you are, the more you're on the blue primary color. If you go to the low values then you're on blue complementary color, i.e. yellow. With V (Cr), this is the same principle but with Red and Cyan. e.g. If you push U full blue and V full red, you get magenta. If you push U full yellow and V full Cyan then you get green. YUV simultaneously adds to one side of the color equation while subtracting from the other. using YUV to do color correction can be very problematic because each curve alters the result of each other: the mutual influence between U and V often makes things tricky. You may also be careful in what you do to avoid the raise of noise (which happens very easily). Best results are obtained with little adjustments sunset that looks uninspiring and needs some color pop especially for the rays over the hill, a subtle contrast raise while setting luma values back to the legal range without hard clipping. Free royalty pictures, [www.freeimages.com ], [http://imageshack.us/ ], [http://photobucket.com/ ], [http://rawpixels.net/], [], [], [], ====Lunapaint==== Pixel based drawing app with onion-skin animation function Blocking, Shading, Coloring, adding detail <pre> b BRUSH e ERASER alt eyedropper v layer tool z ZOOM / MAGNIFY < > n spc panning m marque q lasso w same color selection / region </pre> <pre> , LM RM v V f filter F . size p , pick color [] last / next color </pre> There is not much missing in Lunapaint to be as good as FlipBook and then you have to take into account that Flipbook is considered to be amongst the best and easiest to use animation software out there. Ok to be honest Flipbook has some nice features that require more heavy work but those aren't so much needed right away, things like camera effects, sound, smart fill, export to different movie file formats etc. Tried Flipbook with my tablet and compared it to Luna. The feeling is the same when sketching. LunaPaint is very responsive/fluent to draw with. Just as Flipbook is, and that responsiveness is something its users have mentioned as one of the positive sides of said software. author was learning MUI. Some parts just have to be rewritten with proper MUI classes before new features can be added. * add [Frame Add] / [Frame Del] * whole animation feature is impossible to use. If you draw 2 color maybe but if you start coloring your cells then you get in trouble * pickup the entire image as a brush, not just a selection ? And consequently remove the brush from memory when one doesn't need it anymore. can pick up a brush and put it onto a new image but cropping isn't possible, nor to load/save brushes. * Undo is something I longed for ages in Lunapaint. * to import into the current layer, other types of images (e.g. JPEG) besides RAW64. * implement graphic tablet features support **GENERAL DRAWING** Miss it very much: UNDO ERASER COLORPICKER - has to show on palette too which color got picked. BACKGROUND COLOR -Possibility to select from "New project screen" Miss it somewhat: ICON for UNDO ICON for ERASER ICON for CLEAR SCREEN ( What can I say? I start over from scratch very often ) BRUSH - possibility to cut out as brush not just copy off image to brush **ANIMATING** Miss it very much: NUMBER OF CELLS - Possibity to change total no. of cells during project ANIM BRUSH - Possibility to pick up a selected part of cells into an animbrush Miss it somewhat: ADD/REMOVE FRAMES: Add/remove single frame In general LunaPaint is really well done and it feels like a new DeluxePaint version. It works with my tablet. Sure there's much missing of course but things can always be added over time. So there is great potential in LunaPaint that's for sure. Animations could be made in it and maybe put together in QuickVideo, saving in .gif or .mng etc some day. LAYERS -Layers names don't get saved globally in animation frames -Layers order don't change globally in an animation (perhaps as default?). EXPORTING IMAGES -Exporting frames to JPG/PNG gives problems with colors. (wrong colors. See my animatiopn --> My robot was blue now it's "gold" ) I think this only happens if you have layers. -Trying to flatten the layers before export doesn't work if you have animation frames only the one you have visible will flatten properly all other frames are destroyed. (Only one of the layers are visible on them) -Exporting images filenames should be for example e.g. file0001, file0002...file0010 instead as of now file1, file2...file10 LOAD/SAVE (Preferences) -Make a setting for the default "Work" folder. * Destroyed colors if exported image/frame has layers * mystic color cycling of the selected color while stepping frames back/forth (annoying) <pre> Deluxe Paint II enhanced key shortcuts NOTE: @ denotes the ALT key [Technique] F1 - Paint F2 - Single Colour F3 - Replace F4 - Smear F5 - Shade F6 - Cycle F7 - Smooth M - Colour Cycle [Brush] B - Restore O - Outline h - Halve brush size H - Double brush size x - Flip brush on X axis X - Double brush size on X axis only y - Flip on Y Y - Double on Y z - Rotate brush 90 degrees Z - Stretch [Stencil] ` - Stencil On [Miscellaneous] F9 - Info Bar F10 - Selection Bar @o - Co-Ordinates @a - Anti-alias @r - Colourise @t - Translucent TAB - Colour Cycle [Picture] L - Load S - Save j - Page to Spare(Flip) J - Page to Spare(Copy) V - View Page Q - Quit [General Keys] m - Magnify < - Zoom In > - Zoom Out [ - Palette Colour Up ] - Palette Colour Down ( - Palette Colour Left ) - Palette Colour Right , - Eye Dropper . - Pixel / Brush Toggle / - Symmetry | - Co-Ordinates INS - Perspective Control +/- - Brush Size (Fine Control) w - Unfilled Polygon W - Filled Polygon e - Unfilled Ellipse E - Filled Ellipse r - Unfilled Rectangle R - Filled Rectangle t - Type/text tool a - Select Font u/U - Undo d - Brush D - Filled Non-Uniform Polygon f/F - Fill Options g/G - Grid h/H - Brush Size (Coarse Control) K - Clear c - Unfilled Circle C - Filled Circle v - Line b - Scissor Select and Toggle B - Brush {,} - Toggle between two background colours </pre> ====Lodepaint==== Pixel based painting artwork app ====Grafx2==== Pixel based painting artwork app aesprite like [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59Y6OTzNrhk aesprite workflow keys and tablet use], [], ====Vector Graphics ZuneFIG==== Vector Image Editing of files .svg .ps .eps *Objects - raise lower rotate flip aligning snapping *Path - unify subtract intersect exclude divide *Colour - fill stroke *Stroke - size *Brushes - *Layers - *Effects - gaussian bevels glows shadows *Text - *Transform - AmiFIG ([http://epb.lbl.gov/xfig/frm_introduction.html xfig manual]) [[File:MyScreen.png|thumb|left|alt=Showing all Windows open in AmiFIG.|All windows available to AmiFIG.]] for drawing simple to intermediate vector graphic images for scientific and technical uses and for illustration purposes for those with talent ;Menu options * Load - fig format but import(s) SVG * Save - fig format but export(s) eps, ps, pdf, svg and png * PAN = Ctrl + Arrow keys * Deselect all points There is no selected object until you apply the tool, and the selected object is not highlighted. ;Metrics - to set up page and styles - first window to open on new drawings ;Tools - Drawing Primitives - set Attributes window first before clicking any Tools button(s) * Shapes - circles, ellipses, arcs, splines, boxes, polygon * Lines - polylines * Text "T" button * Photos - bitmaps * Compound - Glue, Break, Scale * POINTs - Move, Add, Remove * Objects - Move, Copy, Delete, Mirror, Rotate, Paste use right mouse button to stop extra lines, shapes being formed and the left mouse to select/deselect tools button(s) * Rotate - moves in 90 degree turns centered on clicked POINT of a polygon or square ;Attributes which provide change(s) to the above primitives * Color * Line Width * Line Style * arrowheads ;Modes Choose from freehand, charts, figures, magnet, etc. ;Library - allows .fig clip-art to be stored * compound tools to add .fig(s) together ;FIG 3.2 [http://epb.lbl.gov/xfig/fig-format.html Format] as produced by xfig version 3.2.5 <pre> Landscape Center Inches Letter 100.00 Single -2 1200 2 4 0 0 50 -1 0 12 0.0000 4 135 1050 1050 2475 This is a test.01 </pre> # change the text alignment within the textbox. I can choose left, center, or right aligned by either changing the integer in the second column from 0 (left) to 1 or 2 (center, or right). # The third integer in the row specifies fontcolor. For instance, 0 is black, but blue is 1 and Green3 is 13. # The sixth integer in the bottom row specifies fontface. 0 is Times-Roman, but 16 is Helvetica (a MATLAB default). # The seventh number is fontsize. 12 represents a 12pt fontsize. Changing the fontsize of an item really is as easy as changing that number to 20. # The next number is the counter-clockwise angle of the text. Notice that I have changed the angle to .7854 (pi/4 rounded to four digits=45 degrees). # twelfth number is the position according to the standard “x-axis” in Xfig units from the left. Note that 1200 Xfig units is equivalent to once inch. # thirteenth number is the “y-position” from the top using the same unit convention as before. * The nested text string is what you entered into the textbox. * The “01″ present at the end of that line in the .fig file is the closing tag. For instance, a change to \100 appends a @ symbol at the end of the period of that sentence. ; Just to note there are no layers, no 3d functions, no shading, no transparency, no animation [[#top|...to the top]] ===Audio=== # AHI uses linear panning/balance, which means that in the center, you will get -6dB. If an app uses panning, this is what you will get. Note that apps like Audio Evolution need panning, so they will have this problem. # When using AHI Hifi modes, mixing is done in 32-bit and sent as 32-bit data to the driver. The Envy24HT driver uses that to output at 24-bit (always). # For the Envy24/Envy24HT, I've made 16-bit and 24-bit inputs (called Line-in 16-bit, Line-in 24-bit etc.). There is unfortunately no app that can handle 24-bit recording. ====Music Mods==== Digital module (mods) trackers are music creation software using samples and sometimes soundfonts, audio plugins (VST, AU or RTAS), MIDI. Generally, MODs are similar to MIDI in that they contain note on/off and other sequence messages that control the mod player. Unlike (most) midi files, however, they also contain sound samples that the sequence information actually plays. MOD files can have many channels (classic amiga mods have 4, corresponding to the inbuilt sound channels), but unlike MIDI, each channel can typically play only one note at once. However, since that note might be a sample of a chord, a drumloop or other complex sound, this is not as limiting as it sounds. Like MIDI, notes will play indefinitely if they're not instructed to end. Most trackers record this information automatically if you play your music in live. If you're using manual note entry, you can enter a note-off command with a keyboard shortcut - usually Caps Lock. In fact when considering file size MOD is not always the best option. Even a dummy song wastes few kilobytes for nothing when a simple SID tune could be few hundreds bytes and not bigger than 64kB. AHX is another small format, AHX tunes are never larger than 64kB excluding comments. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXXsZfwgil Protrekkr] (previously aka [w:Juan_Antonio_Arguelles_Rius|NoiseTrekkr]) If Protrekkr does not start, please check if the Unit 0 has been setup in the AHI prefs and still not, go to the directory utilities/protrekkr and double click on the Protrekkr icon *Sample *Note - Effect *Track (column) - Pattern - Order It all starts with the Sample which is used to create Note(s) in a Track (column of a tracker) The Note can be changed with an Effect. A Track of Note(s) can be collected into a Pattern (section of a song) and these can be given Order to create the whole song. Patience (notes have to be entered one at a time) or playing the bassline on a midi controller (faster - see midi section above). Best approach is to wait until a melody popped into your head. *Up-tempo means the track should be reasonably fast, but not super-fast. *Groovy and funky imply the track should have some sort of "swing" feel, with plenty of syncopation or off beat emphasis and a recognizable, melodic bass line. *Sweet and happy mean upbeat melodies, a major key and avoiding harsh sounds. *Moody - minor key First, create a quick bass sound, which is basically a sine wave, but can be hand drawn for a little more variance. It could also work for the melody part, too. This is usually a bass guitar or some kind of synthesizer bass. The bass line is often forgotten by inexperienced composers, but it plays an important role in a musical piece. Together with the rhythm section the bass line forms the groove of a song. It's the glue between the rhythm section and the melodic layer of a song. The drums are just pink noise samples, played at different frequencies to get a slightly different sound for the kick, snare, and hihats. Instruments that fall into the rhythm category are bass drums, snares, hi-hats, toms, cymbals, congas, tambourines, shakers, etc. Any percussive instrument can be used to form part of the rhythm section. The lead is the instrument that plays the main melody, on top of the chords. There are many instruments that can play a lead section, like a guitar, a piano, a saxophone or a flute. The list is almost endless. There is a lot of overlap with instruments that play chords. Often in one piece an instrument serves both roles. The lead melody is often played at a higher pitch than the chords. Listened back to what was produced so far, and a counter-melody can be imagined, which can be added with a triangle wave. To give the ends of phrases some life, you can add a solo part with a crunchy synth. By hitting random notes in the key of G, then edited a few of them. For the climax of the song, filled out the texture with a gentle high-pitch pad… …and a grungy bass synth. The arrow at A points at the pattern order list. As you see, the patterns don't have to be in numerical order. This song starts with pattern "00", then pattern "02", then "03", then "01", etcetera. Patterns may be repeated throughout a song. The B arrow points at the song title. Below it are the global BPM and speed parameters. These determine the tempo of the song, unless the tempo is altered through effect commands during the song. The C arrow points at the list of instruments. An instrument may consist of multiple samples. Which sample will be played depends on the note. This can be set in the Instrument Editing screen. Most instruments will consist of just one sample, though. The sample list for the selected instrument can be found under arrow D. Here's a part of the main editing screen. This is where you put in actual notes. Up to 32 channels can be used, meaning 32 sounds can play simultaneously. The first six channels of pattern "03" at order "02" are shown here. The arrow at A points at the row number. The B arrow points at the note to play, in this case a C4. The column pointed at by the C arrow tells us which instrument is associated with that note, in this case instrument #1 "Kick". The column at D is used (mainly) for volume commands. In this case it is left empty which means the instrument should play at its default volume. You can see the volume column being used in channel #6. The E column tells us which effect to use and any parameters for that effect. In this case it holds the "F" effect, which is a tempo command. The "04" means it should play at tempo 4 (a smaller number means faster). Base pattern When I create a new track I start with what I call the base pattern. It is worthwhile to spend some time polishing it as a lot of the ideas in the base pattern will be copied and used in other patterns. At least, that's how I work. Every musician will have his own way of working. In "Wild Bunnies" the base pattern is pattern "03" at order "02". In the section about selecting samples I talked about the four different categories of instruments: drums, bass, chords and leads. That's also how I usually go about making the base pattern. I start by making a drum pattern, then add a bass line, place some chords and top it off with a lead. This forms the base pattern from which the rest of the song will grow. Drums Here's a screenshot of the first four rows of the base pattern. I usually reserve the first four channels or so for the drum instruments. Right away there are a couple of tricks shown here. In the first channel the kick, or bass drum, plays some notes. Note the alternating F04 and F02 commands. The "F" command alters the tempo of the song and by quickly alternating the tempo; the song will get some kind of "swing" feel. In the second channel the closed hi-hat plays a fairly simple pattern. Further down in the channel, not shown here, some open hi-hat notes are added for a bit of variation. In the third and fourth channel the snare sample plays. The "8" command is for panning. One note is panned hard to the left and the other hard to the right. One sample is played a semitone lower than the other. This results in a cool flanging effect. It makes the snare stand out a little more in the mix. Bass line There are two different instruments used for the bass line. Instrument #6 is a pretty standard synthesized bass sound. Instrument #A sounds a bit like a slap bass when used with a quick fade out. By using two different instruments the bass line sounds a bit more ”human”. The volume command is used to cut off the notes. However, it is never set to zero. Setting the volume to a very small value will result in a reverb-like effect. This makes the song sound more "live". The bass line hints at the chords that will be played and the key the song will be in. In this case the key of the song is D-major, a positive and happy key. Chords The D major chords that are being played here are chords stabs; short sounds with a quick decay (fade out). Two different instruments (#8 and #9) are used to form the chords. These instruments are quite similar, but have a slightly different sound, panning and volume decay. Again, the reason for this is to make the sound more human. The volume command is used on some chords to simulate a delay, to achieve more of a live feel. The chords are placed off-beat making for a funky rhythm. Lead Finally the lead melody is added. The other instruments are invaluable in holding the track together, but the lead melody is usually what catches people's attention. A lot of notes and commands are used here, but it looks more complex than it is. A stepwise ascending melody plays in channel 13. Channel 14 and 15 copy this melody, but play it a few rows later at a lower volume. This creates an echo effect. A bit of panning is used on the notes to create some stereo depth. Like with the bass line, instead of cutting off notes the volume is set to low values for a reverb effect. The "461" effect adds a little vibrato to the note, which sounds nice on sustained notes. Those paying close attention may notice the instrument used here for the lead melody is the same as the one used for the bass line (#6 "Square"), except played two or three octaves higher. This instrument is a looped square wave sample. Each type of wave has its own quirks, but the square wave (shown below) is a really versatile wave form. Song structure Good, catchy songs are often carefully structured into sections, some of which are repeated throughout the song with small variations. A typical pop-song structure is: Intro - Verse - Chorus - Verse - Chorus - Bridge - Chorus. Other single sectional song structures are <pre> Strophic or AAA Song Form - oldest story telling with refrain (often title of the song) repeated in every verse section melody AABA Song Form - early popular, jazz and gospel fading during the 1960s AB or Verse/Chorus Song Form - songwriting format of choice for modern popular music since the 1960s Verse/Chorus/Bridge Song Form ABAB Song Form ABAC Song Form ABCD Song Form AAB 12-Bar Song Form - three four-bar lines or sub-sections 8-Bar Song Form 16-Bar Song Form Hybrid / Compound Song Forms </pre> The most common building blocks are: #INTRODUCTION(INTRO) #VERSE #REFRAIN #PRE-CHORUS / RISE / CLIMB #CHORUS #BRIDGE #MIDDLE EIGHT #SOLO / INSTRUMENTAL BREAK #COLLISION #CODA / OUTRO #AD LIB (OFTEN IN CODA / OUTRO) The chorus usually has more energy than the verse and often has a memorable melody line. As the chorus is repeated the most often during the song, it will be the part that people will remember. The bridge often marks a change of direction in the song. It is not uncommon to change keys in the bridge, or at least to use a different chord sequence. The bridge is used to build up tension towards the big finale, the last repetition of chorus. Playing RCTRL: Play song from row 0. LSHIFT + RCTRL: Play song from current row. RALT: Play pattern from row 0. LSHIFT + RALT: Play pattern from current row. Left mouse on '>': Play song from row 0. Right mouse on '>': Play song from current row. Left mouse on '|>': Play pattern from row 0. Right mouse on '|>': Play pattern from current row. Left mouse on 'Edit/Record': Edit mode on/off. Right mouse on 'Edit/Record': Record mode on/off. Editing LSHIFT + ESCAPE: Switch large patterns view on/off TAB: Go to next track LSHIFT + TAB: Go to prev. track LCTRL + TAB: Go to next note in track LCTRL + LSHIFT + TAB: Go to prev. note in track SPACE: Toggle Edit mode On & Off (Also stop if the song is being played) SHIFT SPACE: Toggle Record mode On & Off (Wait for a key note to be pressed or a midi in message to be received) DOWN ARROW: 1 Line down UP ARROW: 1 Line up LEFT ARROW: 1 Row left RIGHT ARROW: 1 Row right PREV. PAGE: 16 Arrows Up NEXT PAGE: 16 Arrows Down HOME / END: Top left / Bottom right of pattern LCTRL + HOME / END: First / last track F5, F6, F7, F8, F9: Jump to 0, 1/4, 2/4, 3/4, 4/4 lines of the patterns + - (Numeric keypad): Next / Previous pattern LCTRL + LEFT / RIGHT: Next / Previous pattern LCTRL + LALT + LEFT / RIGHT: Next / Previous position LALT + LEFT / RIGHT: Next / Previous instrument LSHIFT + M: Toggle mute state of the current channel LCTRL + LSHIFT + M: Solo the current track / Unmute all LSHIFT + F1 to F11: Select a tab/panel LCTRL + 1 to 4: Select a copy buffer Tracking 1st and 2nd keys rows: Upper octave row 3rd and 4th keys rows: Lower octave row RSHIFT: Insert a note off / and * (Numeric keypad) or F1 F2: -1 or +1 octave INSERT / BACKSPACE: Insert or Delete a line in current track or current selected block. LSHIFT + INSERT / BACKSPACE: Insert or Delete a line in current pattern DELETE (NOT BACKSPACE): Empty a column or a selected block. Blocks (Blocks can also be selected with the mouse by holding the right button and scrolling the pattern with the mouse wheel). LCTRL + A: Select entire current track LCTRL + LSHIFT + A: Select entire current pattern LALT + A: Select entire column note in a track LALT + LSHIFT + A: Select all notes of a track LCTRL + X: Cut the selected block and copy it into the block-buffer LCTRL + C: Copy the selected block into the block-buffer LCTRL + V: Paste the data from the block buffer into the pattern LCTRL + I: Interpolate selected data from the first to the last row of a selection LSHIFT + ARROWS PREV. PAGE NEXT PAGE: Select a block LCTRL + R: Randomize the select columns of a selection, works similar to CTRL + I (interpolating them) LCTRL + U: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 seminote higher LCTRL + D: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 seminote lower LCTRL + LSHIFT + U: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 seminote higher (only for the current instrument) LCTRL + LSHIFT + D: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 seminote lower (only for the current instrument) LCTRL + H: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 octave higher LCTRL + L: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 octave lower LCTRL + LSHIFT + H: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 octave higher (only for the current instrument) LCTRL + LSHIFT + L: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 octave lower (only for the current instrument) LCTRL + W: Save the current selection into a file Misc LALT + ENTER: Switch between full screen / windowed mode LALT + F4: Exit program (Windows only) LCTRL + S: Save current module LSHIFT + S: Switch top right panel to synths list LSHIFT + I: Switch top right panel to instruments list <pre> C-x xh xx xx hhhh Volume B-x xh xx xx hhhh Jump to A#x xh xx xx hhhh hhhh Slide F-x xh xx xx hhhh Tempo D-x xh xx xx hhhh Pattern Break G#x xh xx xx hhhh </pre> h Hex 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F 10 11 12 13 d Dec 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 The Set Volume command: C. Input a note, then move the cursor to the effects command column and type a C. Play the pattern, and you shouldn't be able to hear the note you placed the C by. This is because the effect parameters are 00. Change the two zeros to a 40(Hex)/64(Dec), depending on what your tracker uses. Play back the pattern again, and the note should come in at full volume. The Position Jump command next. This is just a B followed by the position in the playing list that you want to jump to. One thing to remember is that the playing list always starts at 0, not 1. This command is usually in Hex. Onto the volume slide command: A. This is slightly more complex (much more if you're using a newer tracker, if you want to achieve the results here, then set slides to Amiga, not linear), due to the fact it depends on the secondary tempo. For now set a secondary tempo of 06 (you can play around later), load a long or looped sample and input a note or two. A few rows after a note type in the effect command A. For the parameters use 0F. Play back the pattern, and you should notice that when the effect kicks in, the sample drops to a very low volume very quickly. Change the effect parameters to F0, and use a low volume command on the note. Play back the pattern, and when the slide kicks in the volume of the note should increase very quickly. This because each part of the effect parameters for command A does a different thing. The first number slides the volume up, and the second slides it down. It's not recommended that you use both a volume up and volume down at the same time, due to the fact the tracker only looks for the first number that isn't set to 0. If you specify parameters of 8F, the tracker will see the 8, ignore the F, and slide the volume up. Using a slide up and down at same time just makes you look stupid. Don't do it... The Set Tempo command: F, is pretty easy to understand. You simply specify the BPM (in Hex) that you want to change to. One important thing to note is that values of lower than 20 (Hex) sets the secondary tempo rather than the primary. Another useful command is the Pattern Break: D. This will stop the playing of the current pattern and skip to the next one in the playing list. By using parameters of more than 00 you can also specify which line to begin playing from. Command 3 is Portamento to Note. This slides the currently playing note to another note, at a specified speed. The slide then stops when it reaches the desired note. <pre> C-2 1 000 - Starts the note playing --- 000 C-3 330 - Starts the slide to C-3 at a speed of 30. --- 300 - Continues the slide --- 300 - Continues the slide </pre> Once the parameters have been set, the command can be input again without any parameters, and it'll still perform the same function unless you change the parameters. This memory function allows certain commands to function correctly, such as command 5, which is the Portamento to Note and Volume Slide command. Once command 3 has been set up command 5 will simply take the parameters from that and perform a Portamento to Note. Any parameters set up for command 5 itself simply perform a Volume Slide identical to command A at the same time as the Portamento to Note. This memory function will only operate in the same channel where the original parameters were set up. There are various other commands which perform two functions at once. They will be described as we come across them. C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 02 C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 05 C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 08 C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 0A C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 0D C-3 04 .. .. 09 10 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 10 (You can also switch on the Slider Rec to On, and perform parameter-live-recording, such as cutoff transitions, resonance or panning tweaking, etc..) Note: this command only works for volume/panning and fx datas columns. The next command we'll look at is the Portamento up/down: 1 and 2. Command 1 slides the pitch up at a specified speed, and 2 slides it down. This command works in a similar way to the volume slide, in that it is dependent on the secondary tempo. Both these commands have a memory dependent on each other, if you set the slide to a speed of 3 with the 1 command, a 2 command with no parameters will use the speed of 3 from the 1 command, and vice versa. Command 4 is Vibrato. Vibrato is basically rapid changes in pitch, just try it, and you'll see what I mean. Parameters are in the format of xy, where x is the speed of the slide, and y is the depth of the slide. One important point to remember is to keep your vibratos subtle and natural so a depth of 3 or less and a reasonably fast speed, around 8, is usually used. Setting the depth too high can make the part sound out of tune from the rest. Following on from command 4 is command 6. This is the Vibrato and Volume Slide command, and it has a memory like command 5, which you already know how to use. Command 7 is Tremolo. This is similar to vibrato. Rather than changing the pitch it slides the volume. The effect parameters are in exactly the same format. vibrato effect (0x1dxy) x = speed y = depth (can't be used if arpeggio (0x1b) is turned on) <pre> C-7 00 .. .. 1B37 <- Turn Arpeggio effect on --- .. .. .. 0000 --- .. .. .. 0000 --- .. .. .. 0000 --- .. .. .. 1B38 <- Change datas --- .. .. .. 0000 --- .. .. .. 0000 --- .. .. .. 0000 --- .. .. .. 1B00 <- Turn it off </pre> Command 9 is Sample Offset. This starts the playback of the sample from a different place than the start. The effect parameters specify the sample offset, but only very roughly. Say you have a sample which is 8765(Hex) bytes long, and you wanted it to play from position 4321(Hex). The effect parameter could only be as accurate as the 43 part, and it would ignore the 21. Command B is the Playing List/Order Jump command. The parameters specify the position in the Playing List/Order to jump to. When used in conjunction with command D you can specify the position and the line to play from. Command E is pretty complex, as it is used for a lot of different things, depending on what the first parameter is. Let's take a trip through each effect in order. Command E0 controls the hardware filter on an Amiga, which, as a low pass filter, cuts off the highest frequencies being played back. There are very few players and trackers on other system that simulate this function, not that you should need to use it. The second parameter, if set to 1, turns on the filter. If set to 0, the filter gets turned off. Commands E1/E2 are Fine Portamento Up/Down. Exactly the same functions as commands 1/2, except that they only slide the pitch by a very small amount. These commands have a memory the same as 1/2 as well. Command E3 sets the Glissando control. If parameters are set to 1 then when using command 3, any sliding will only use the notes in between the original note and the note being slid to. This produces a somewhat jumpier slide than usual. The best way to understand is to try it out for yourself. Produce a slow slide with command 3, listen to it, and then try using E31. Command E4 is the Set Vibrato Waveform control. This command controls how the vibrato command slides the pitch. Parameters are 0 - Sine, 1 - Ramp Down (Saw), 2 - Square. By adding 4 to the parameters, the waveform will not be restarted when a new note is played e.g. 5 - Sine without restart. Command E5 sets the Fine Tune of the instrument being played, but only for the particular note being played. It will override the default Fine Tune for the instrument. The parameters range from 0 to F, with 0 being -8 and F being +8 Fine Tune. A parameter of 8 gives no Fine Tune. If you're using a newer tracker that supports more than -8 to +8 e.g. -128 to +128, these parameters will give a rough Fine Tune, accurate to the nearest 16. Command E6 is the Jump Loop command. You mark the beginning of the part of a pattern that you want to loop with E60, and then specify with E6x the end of the loop, where x is the number of times you want it to loop. Command E7 is the Set Tremolo Waveform control. This has exactly the same parameters as command E4, except that it works for Tremolo rather than Vibrato. Command E9 is for Retriggering the note quickly. The parameter specifies the interval between the retrigs. Use a value of less than the current secondary tempo, or else the note will not get retrigged. Command EA/B are for Fine Volume Slide Up/Down. Much the same as the normal Volume Slides, except that these are easier to control since they don't depend on the secondary tempo. The parameters specify the amount to slide by e.g. if you have a sample playing at a volume of 08 (Hex) then the effect EA1 will slide this volume to 09 (Hex). A subsequent effect of EB4 would slide this volume down to 05 (Hex). Command EC is the Note Cut. This sets the volume of the currently playing note to 0 at a specified tick. The parameters should be lower than the secondary tempo or else the effect won't work. Command ED is the Note Delay. This should be used at the same time as a note is to be played, and the parameters will specify the number of ticks to delay playing the note. Again, keep the parameters lower than the secondary tempo, or the note won't get played! Command EE is the Pattern Delay. This delays the pattern for the amount of time it would take to play a certain number of rows. The parameters specify how many rows to delay for. Command EF is the Funk Repeat command. Set the sample loop to 0-1000. When EFx is used, the loop will be moved to 1000- 2000, then to 2000-3000 etc. After 9000-10000 the loop is set back to 0- 1000. The speed of the loop "movement" is defined by x. E is two times as slow as F, D is three times as slow as F etc. EF0 will turn the Funk Repeat off and reset the loop (to 0-1000). effects 0x41 and 0x42 to control the volumes of the 2 303 units There is a dedicated panel for synth parameter editing with coherent sections (osc, filter modulation, routing, so on) the interface is much nicer, much better to navigate with customizable colors, the reverb is now customizable (10 delay lines), It accepts newer types of Waves (higher bit rates, at least 24). Has a replay routine. It's pretty much your basic VA synth. The problem isn't with the sampler being to high it's the synth is tuned two octaves too low, but if you want your samples tuned down just set the base note down 2 octaves (in the instrument panel). so the synth is basically divided into 3 sections from left to right: oscillators/envelopes, then filter and LFO's, and in the right column you have mod routings and global settings. for the oscillator section you have two normal oscillators (sine, saw, square, noise), the second of which is tunable, the first one tunes with the key pressed. Attached to OSC 1 is a sub-oscillator, which is a sawtooth wave tuned one octave down. The phase modulation controls the point in the duty cycle at which the oscillator starts. The ADSR envelope sliders (grouped with oscs) are for modulation envelope 1 and 2 respectively. you can use the synth as a sampler by choosing the instrument at the top. In the filter column, the filter settings are: 1 = lowpass, 2 = highpass, 3 = off. cutoff and resonance. For the LFOs they are LFO 1 and LFO 2, the ADSR sliders in those are for the LFO itself. For the modulation routings you have ENV 1, LFO 1 for the first slider and ENV 2, LFO 2 for the second, you can cycle through the individual routings there, and you can route each modulation source to multiple destinations of course, which is another big plus for this synth. Finally the glide time is for portamento and master volume, well, the master volume... it can go quite loud. The sequencer is changed too, It's more like the one in AXS if you've used that, where you can mute tracks to re-use patterns with variation. <pre> Support for the following modules formats: 669 (Composer 669, Unis 669), AMF (DSMI Advanced Module Format), AMF (ASYLUM Music Format V1.0), APUN (APlayer), DSM (DSIK internal format), FAR (Farandole Composer), GDM (General DigiMusic), IT (Impulse Tracker), IMF (Imago Orpheus), MOD (15 and 31 instruments), MED (OctaMED), MTM (MultiTracker Module editor), OKT (Amiga Oktalyzer), S3M (Scream Tracker 3), STM (Scream Tracker), STX (Scream Tracker Music Interface Kit), ULT (UltraTracker), UNI (MikMod), XM (FastTracker 2), Mid (midi format via timidity) </pre> Possible plugin options include [http://lv2plug.in/ LV2], ====Midi - Musical Instrument Digital Interface==== A midi file typically contains music that plays on up to 16 channels (as per the midi standard), but many notes can simultaneously play on each channel (depending on the limit of the midi hardware playing it). '''Timidity''' Although usually already installed, you can uncompress the [http://www.libsdl.org/projects/SDL_mixer/ timidity.tar.gz (14MB)] into a suitable drawer like below's SYS:Extras/Audio/ assign timidity: SYS:Extras/Audio/timidity added to SYSːs/User-Startup '''WildMidi playback''' '''Audio Evolution 4 (2003) 4.0.23 (from 2012)''' *Sync Menu - CAMD Receive, Send checked *Options Menu - MIDI Machine Control - Midi Bar Display - Select CAMD MIDI in / out - Midi Remote Setup MCB Master Control Bus *Sending a MIDI start-command and a Song Position Pointer, you can synchronize audio with an external MIDI sequencer (like B&P). *B&P Receive, start AE, add AudioEvolution.ptool in Bars&Pipes track, press play / record in AE then press play in Pipes *CAMD Receive, receive MIDI start or continue commands via camd.library sync to AE *MIDI Machine Control *Midi Bar Display *Select CAMD MIDI in / out *Midi Remote Setup - open requester for external MIDI controllers to control app mixer and transport controls cc remotely Channel - mixer(vol, pan, mute, solo), eq, aux, fx, Subgroup - Volume, Mute, Solo Transport - Start, End, Play, Stop, Record, Rewind, Forward Misc - Master vol., Bank Down, Bank up <pre> q - quit First 3 already opened when AE started F1 - timeline window F2 - mixer F3 - control F4 - subgroups F5 - aux returns F6 - sample list i - Load sample to use space - start/stop play b - reset time 0:00 s - split mode r - open recording window a - automation edit mode with p panning, m mute and v volume [ / ] - zoom in / out : - previous track * - next track x c v f - cut copy paste cross-fade g - snap grid </pre> '''[http://bnp.hansfaust.de/ Bars n Pipes sequencer]''' BarsnPipes debug ... in shell Menu (right mouse) *Song - Songs load and save in .song format but option here to load/save Midi_Files .mid in FORMAT0 or FORMAT1 *Track - *Edit - *Tool - *Timing - SMTPE Synchronizing *Windows - *Preferences - Multiple MIDI-in option Windows (some of these are usually already opened when Bars n Pipes starts up for the first time) *Workflow -> Tracks, .... Song Construction, Time-line Scoring, Media Madness, Mix Maestro, *Control -> Transport (or mini one), Windows (which collects all the Windows icons together-shortcut), .... Toolbox, Accessories, Metronome, Once you have your windows placed on the screen that suits your workflow, Song -> Save as Default will save the positions, colors, icons, etc as you'd like them If you need a particular setup of Tracks, Tools, Tempos etc, you save them all as a new song you can load each time Right mouse menu -> Preferences -> Environment... -> ScreenMode - Linkages for Synch (to Slave) usbmidi.out.0 and Send (Master) usbmidi.in.0 - Clock MTC '''Tracks''' #Double-click on B&P's icon. B&P will then open with an empty Song. You can also double-click on a song icon to open a song in B&P. #Choose a track. The B&P screen will contain a Tracks Window with a number of tracks shown as pipelines (Track 1, Track 2, etc...). To choose a track, simply click on the gray box to show an arrow-icon to highlight it. This icon show whether a track is chosen or not. To the right of the arrow-icon, you can see the icon for the midi-input. If you double-click on this icon you can change the MIDI-in setup. #Choose Record for the track. To the right of the MIDI-input channel icon you can see a pipe. This leads to another clickable icon with that shows either P, R or M. This stands for Play, Record or Merge. To change the icon, simply click on it. If you choose P, this track can only play the track (you can't record anything). If you choose R, you can record what you play and it overwrites old stuff in the track. If you choose M, you merge new records with old stuff in the track. Choose R now to be able to make a record. #Chose MIDI-channel. On the most right part of the track you can see an icon with a number in it. This is the MIDI-channel selector. Here you must choose a MIDI-channel that is available on your synthesizer/keyboard. If you choose General MIDI channel 10, most synthesizer will play drum sounds. To the left of this icon is the MIDI-output icon. Double-click on this icon to change the MIDI-output configuration. #Start recording. The next step is to start recording. You must then find the control buttons (they look like buttons on a CD-player). To be able to make a record. you must click on the R icon. You can simply now press the play button (after you have pressed the R button) and play something on you keyboard. To playback your composition, press the Play button on the control panel. #Edit track. To edit a track, you simply double click in the middle part of a track. You will then get a new window containing the track, where you can change what you have recorded using tools provided. Take also a look in the drop-down menus for more features. Videos to help understand [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6gVTX-9900 small intro], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abq_rUTiSA4&t=3s Overview], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixOVutKsYQo Workplace Setup CC PC Sysex], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDnJLYPaZTs Import Song], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC3kkzPLkv4 Tempo Mapping], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd23kqMYPDs ptool Arpeggi-8], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDJq-YxgwQg PlayMidi Song], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY9Pu5P9TaU Amiga Midi], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abq_rUTiSA4 Learning Amiga bars and Pipes], Groups like [https://groups.io/g/barsnpipes/topics this] could help '''Tracks window''' * blue "1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Group" and transport tape deck VCR-type controls * Flags * [http://theproblem.alco-rhythm.com/org/bp.html Track 1, Track2, to Track 16, on each Track there are many options that can be activated] Each Track has a *Left LHS - Click in grey box to select what Track to work on, Midi-In ptool icon should be here (5pin plug icon), and many more from the Toolbox on the Input Pipeline *Middle - (P, R, M) Play, Record, Merge/Multi before the sequencer line and a blue/red/yellow (Thru Mute Play) Tap *Right RHS - Output pipeline, can have icons placed uopn it with the final ptool icon(s) being the 5pin icon symbol for Midi-OUT Clogged pipelines may need Esc pressed several times '''Toolbox (tools affect the chosen pipeline)''' After opening the Toolbox window you can add extra Tools (.ptool) for the pipelines like keyboard(virtual), midimonitor, quick patch, transpose, triad, (un)quantize, feedback in/out, velocity etc right mouse -> Toolbox menu option -> Install Tool... and navigate to Tool drawer (folder) and select requried .ptool Accompany B tool to get some sort of rythmic accompaniment, Rythm Section and Groove Quantize are examples of other tools that make use of rythms [https://aminet.net/search?query=bars Bars & Pipes pattern format .ptrn] for drawer (folder). Load from the Menu as Track or Group '''Accessories (affect the whole app)''' Accessories -> Install... and goto the Accessories drawer for .paccess like adding ARexx scripting support '''Song Construction''' <pre> F1 Pencil F2 Magic Wand F3 Hand F4 Duplicator F5 Eraser F6 Toolpad F7 Bounding box F8 Lock to A-B-A A-B-A strip, section, edit flags, white boxes, </pre> Bars&Pipes Professional offers three track formats; basic song tracks, linear tracks — which don't loop — and finally real‑time tracks. The difference between them is that both song and linear tracks respond to tempo changes, while real‑time tracks use absolute timing, always trigger at the same instant regardless of tempo alterations '''Tempo Map''' F1 Pencil F2 Magic Wand F3 Hand F4 Eraser F5 Curve F6 Toolpad Compositions Lyrics, Key, Rhythm, Time Signature '''Master Parameters''' Key, Scale/Mode '''Track Parameters''' Dynamics '''Time-line Scoring''' '''Media Madness''' '''Mix Maestro''' *ACCESSORIES Allows the importation of other packages and additional modules *CLIPBOARD Full cut, copy and paste operations, enabling user‑definable clips to be shared between tracks. *INFORMATION A complete rundown on the state of the current production and your machine. *MASTER PARAMETERS Enables global definition of time signatures, lyrics, scales, chords, dynamics and rhythm changes. *MEDIA MADNESS A complete multimedia sequencer which allows samples, stills, animation, etc *METRONOME Tempo feedback via MIDI, internal Amiga audio and colour cycling — all three can be mixed and matched as required. *MIX MAESTRO Completely automated mixdown with control for both volume and pan. All fader alterations are memorised by the software *RECORD ACTIVATION Complete specification of the data to be recorded/merged. Allows overdubbing of pitch‑bend, program changes, modulation etc *SET FLAGS Numeric positioning of location and edit flags in either SMPTE or musical time *SONG CONSTRUCTION Large‑scale cut and paste of individual measures, verses or chorus, by means of bounding box and drag‑n‑drop mouse selections *TEMPO MAP Tempo change using a variety of linear and non‑linear transition curves *TEMPO PALETTE Instant tempo changes courtesy of four user‑definable settings. *TIMELINE SCORING Sequencing of a selection of songs over a defined period — ideal for planning an entire set for a live performance. *TOOLBOX Selection screen for the hundreds of signal‑processing tools available *TRACKS Opens the main track window to enable recording, editing and the use of tools. *TRANSPORT Main playback control window, which also provides access to user‑ defined flags, loop and punch‑in record modes. Bars and Pipes Pro 2.5 is using internal 4-Byte IDs, to check which kind of data are currently processed. Especially in all its files the IDs play an important role. The IDs are stored into the file in the same order they are laid out in the memory. In a Bars 'N' Pipes file (no matter which kind) the ID "NAME" (saved as its ANSI-values) is stored on a big endian system (68k-computer) as "NAME". On a little endian system (x86 PC computer) as "EMAN". The target is to make the AROS-BnP compatible to songs, which were stored on a 68k computer (AMIGA). If possible, setting MIDI channels for Local Control for your keyboard http://www.fromwithin.com/liquidmidi/archive.shtml MIDI files are essentially a stream of event data. An event can be many things, but typically "note on", "note off", "program change", "controller change", or messages that instruct a MIDI compatible synth how to play a given bit of music. * Channel - 1 to 16 - * Messages - PC presets, CC effects like delays, reverbs, etc * Sequencing - MIDI instruments, Drums, Sound design, * Recording - * GUI - Piano roll or Tracker, Staves and Notes MIDI events/messages like step entry e.g. Note On, Note Off MIDI events/messages like PB, PC, CC, Mono and Poly After-Touch, Sysex, etc MIDI sync - Midi Clocks (SPS Measures), Midi Time Code (h, m, s and frames) SMPTE Individual track editing with audition edits so easier to test any changes. Possible to stop track playback, mix clips from the right edit flag and scroll the display using arrow keys. Step entry, to extend a selected note hit the space bar and the note grows accordingly. Ability to cancel mouse‑driven edits by simply clicking the right mouse button — at which point everything snaps back into its original form. Lyrics can now be put in with syllable dividers, even across an entire measure or section. Autoranging when you open a edit window, the notes are automatically displayed — working from the lowest upwards. Flag editing, shift‑click on a flag immediately open the bounds window, ready for numeric input. Ability to cancel edits using the right‑hand mouse button, plus much improved Bounding Box operations. Icons other than the BarsnPipes icon -> PUBSCREEN=BarsnPipes (cannot choose modes higher than 8bit 256 colors) Preferences -> Menu in Tracks window - Send MIDI defaults OFF Prefs -> Environment -> screenmode (saved to BarsnPipes.prefs binary file) Customization -> pics in gui drawer (folder) - Can save as .song files and .mid General Midi SMF is a “Standard Midi File” ([http://www.music.mcgill.ca/~ich/classes/mumt306/StandardMIDIfileformat.html SMF0, SMF1 and SMF2]), [https://github.com/stump/libsmf libsmf], [https://github.com/markc/midicomp MIDIcomp], [https://github.com/MajicDesigns/MD_MIDIFile C++ src], [], [https://github.com/newdigate/midi-smf-reader Midi player], * SMF0 All MIDI data is stored in one track only, separated exclusively by the MIDI channel. * SMF1 The MIDI data is stored in separate tracks/channels. * SMF2 (rarely used) The MIDI data is stored in separate tracks, which are additionally wrapped in containers, so it's possible to have e.g. several tracks using the same MIDI channels. Would it be possible to enrich Bars N’Pipes with software synth and sample support along with audio recording and mastering tools like in the named MAC or PC music sequencers? On the classic AMIGA-OS this is not possible because of missing CPU-power. The hardware of the classic AMIGA is not further developed. So we must say (unfortunately) that those dreams can’t become reality BarsnPipes is best used with external MIDI-equipment. This can be a keyboard or synthesizer with MIDI-connectors. <pre> MIDI can control 16 channels There are USB-MIDI-Interfaces on the market with 16 independent MIDI-lines (multi-port), which can handle 16 MIDI devices independently – 16×16 = 256 independent MIDI-channels or instruments handle up to 16 different USB-MIDI-Interfaces (multi-device). That is: 16X16X16 = 4096 independent MIDI-channels – theoretically </pre> <pre> Librarian MIDI SYStem EXplorer (sysex) - PatchEditor and used to be supplied as a separate program like PatchMeister but currently not at present It should support MIDI.library (PD), BlueRibbon.library (B&P), TriplePlayPlus, and CAMD.library (DeluxeMusic) and MIDI information from a device's user manual and configure a custom interface to access parameters for all MIDI products connected to the system Supports ALL MIDI events and the Patch/Librarian data is stored in MIDI standard format Annette M.Crowling, Missing Link Software, Inc. </pre> Composers <pre> [https://x.com/hirasawa/status/1403686519899054086 Susumu Hirasawa] </pre> <pre> 1988 Todor Fay and his wife Melissa Jordan Gray, who founded the Blue Ribbon Inc 1992 Bars&Pipes Pro published November 2000, Todor Fay announcement to release the sourcecode of Bars&Pipes Pro 2.5c beta end of May 2001, the source of the main program and the sources of some tools and accessories were in a complete and compileable state end of October 2009 stop further development of BarsnPipes New for now on all supported systems and made freeware 2013 Alfred Faust diagnosed with incureable illness, called „Myastenia gravis“ (weak muscles) </pre> Protrekkr How to use Midi In/Out in Protrekkr ? First of all, midi in & out capabilities of this program are rather limited. # Go to Misc. Setup section and select a midi in or out device to use (ptk only supports one device at a time). # Go to instrument section, and select a MIDI PRG (the default is N/A, which means no midi program selected). # Go to track section and here you can assign a midi channel to each track of ptk. # Play notes :]. Note off works. F'x' note cut command also works too, and note-volume command (speed) is supported. Also, you can change midicontrollers in the tracker, using '90' in the panning row: <pre> C-3 02 .. .. 0000.... --- .. .. 90 xxyy.... << This will set the value --- .. .. .. 0000.... of the controller n.'xx' to 'yy' (both in hex) --- .. .. .. 0000.... </pre> So "--- .. .. 90 2040...." will set the controller number $20(32) to $40(64). You will need the midi implementation table of your gear to know what you can change with midi controller messages. N.B. Not all MIDI devices are created equal! Although the MIDI specification defines a large range of MIDI messages of various kinds, not every MIDI device is required to work in exactly the same way and respond to all the available messages and ways of working. For example, we don't expect a wind synthesiser to work in the same way as a home keyboard. Some devices, the older ones perhaps, are only able to respond to a single channel. With some of those devices that channel can be altered from the default of 1 (probably) to another channel of the 16 possible. Other devices, for instance monophonic synthesisers, are capable of producing just one note at a time, on one MIDI channel. Others can produce many notes spread across many channels. Further devices can respond to, and transmit, "breath controller" data (MIDI controller number 2 (CC#2)) others may respond to the reception of CC#2 but not be able to create and to send it. A controller keyboard may be capable of sending "expression pedal" data, but another device may not be capable of responding to that message. Some devices just have the basic GM sound set. The "voice" or "instrument" is selected using a "Program Change" message on its own. Other devices have a greater selection of voices, usually arranged in "banks", and the choice of instrument is made by responding to "Bank Select MSB" (MIDI controller 0 (CC#0)), others use "Bank Select LSB" (MIDI controller number 32 (CC#32)), yet others use both MSB and LSB sent one after the other, all followed by the Program Change message. The detailed information about all the different voices will usually be available in a published MIDI Data List. MIDI Implementation Chart But in the User Manual there is sometimes a summary of how the device works, in terms of MIDI, in the chart at the back of the manual, the MIDI Implementation Chart. If you require two devices to work together you can compare the two implementation charts to see if they are "compatible". In order to do this we will need to interpret that chart. The chart is divided into four columns headed "Function", "Transmitted" (or "Tx"), "Received" (or "Rx"), or more correctly "Recognised", and finally, "Remarks". <pre> The left hand column defines which MIDI functions are being described. The 2nd column defines what the device in question is capable of transmitting to another device. The 3rd column defines what the device is capable of responding to. The 4th column is for explanations of the values contained within these previous two columns. </pre> There should then be twelve sections, with possibly a thirteenth containing extra "Notes". Finally there should be an explanation of the four MIDI "modes" and what the "X" and the "O" mean. <pre> Mode 1: Omni On, Poly; Mode 2: Omni On, Mono; Mode 3: Omni Off, Poly; Mode 4: Omni Off, Mono. </pre> O means "yes" (implemented), X means "no" (not implemented). Sometimes you will find a row of asterisks "**************", these seem to indicate that the data is not applicable in this case. Seen in the transmitted field only (unless you've seen otherwise). Lastly you may find against some entries an asterisk followed by a number e.g. *1, these will refer you to further information, often on a following page, giving more detail. Basic Channel But the very first set of boxes will tell us the "Basic Channel(s)" that the device sends or receives on. "Default" is what happens when the device is first turned on, "changed" is what a switch of some kind may allow the device to be set to. For many devices e.g. a GM sound module or a home keyboard, this would be 1-16 for both. That is it can handle sending and receiving on all MIDI channels. On other devices, for example a synthesiser, it may by default only work on channel 1. But the keyboard could be "split" with the lower notes e.g. on channel 2. If the synth has an arppegiator, this may be able to be set to transmit and or receive on yet another channel. So we might see the default as "1" but the changed as "1-16". Modes. We need to understand Omni On and Off, and Mono and Poly, then we can decipher the four modes. But first we need to understand that any of these four Mode messages can be sent to any MIDI channel. They don't necessarily apply to the whole device. If we send an "Omni On" message (CC#125) to a MIDI channel of a device, we are, in effect, asking it to respond to e.g. a Note On / Off message pair, received on any of the sixteen channels. Sound strange? Read it again. Still strange? It certainly is. We normally want a MIDI channel to respond only to Note On / Off messages sent on that channel, not any other. In other words, "Omni Off". So "Omni Off" (CC#124) tells a channel of our MIDI device to respond only to messages sent on that MIDI channel. "Poly" (CC#127) is for e.g. a channel of a polyphonic sound module, or a home keyboard, to be able to respond to many simultaneous Note On / Off message pairs at once and produce musical chords. "Mono" (CC#126) allows us to set a channel to respond as if it were e.g. a flute or a trumpet, playing just one note at a time. If the device is capable of it, then the overlapping of notes will produce legato playing, that is the attack portion of the second note of two overlapping notes will be removed resulting in a "smoother" transition. So a channel with a piano voice assigned to it will have Omni Off, Poly On (Mode 3), a channel with a saxophone voice assigned could be Omni Off, Mono On (Mode 4). We call these combinations the four modes, 1 to 4, as defined above. Most modern devices will have their channels set to Mode 3 (Omni Off, Poly) but be switchable, on a per channel basis, to Mode 4 (Omni Off, Mono). This second section of data will include first its default value i.e. upon device switch on. Then what Mode messages are acceptable, or X if none. Finally, in the "Altered" field, how a Mode message that can't be implemented will be interpreted. Usually there will just be a row of asterisks effectively meaning nothing will be done if you try to switch to an unimplemented mode. Note Number <pre> The next row will tell us which MIDI notes the device can send or receive, normally 0-127. The second line, "True Voice" has the following in the MIDI specification: "Range of received note numbers falling within the range of true notes produced by the instrument." My interpretation is that, for instance, a MIDI piano may be capable of sending all MIDI notes (0 to 127) by transposition, but only responding to the 88 notes (21 to 108) of a real piano. </pre> Velocity This will tell us whether the device we're looking at will handle note velocity, and what range from 1-127, or maybe just 64, it transmits or will recognise. So usually "O" plus a range or "X" for not implemented. After touch This may have one or two lines two it. If a one liner the either "O" or "X", yes or no. If a two liner then it may include "Keys" or "Poly" and "Channel". This will show whether the device will respond to Polyphonic after touch or channel after touch or neither. Pitch Bend Again "O" for implemented, "X" for not implemented. (Many stage pianos will have no pitch bend capability.) It may also, in the notes section, state whether it will respond to the full 14 bits, or not, as usually encoded by the pitch bend wheel. Control Change This is likely to be the largest section of the chart. It will list all those controllers, starting from CC#0, Bank Select MSB, which the device is capable of sending, and those that it will respond to using "O" or "X" respectively. You will, almost certainly, get some further explanation of functionality in the remarks column, or in more detail elsewhere in the documentation. Of course you will need to know what all the various controller numbers do. Lots of the official technical specifications can be found at the [www.midi.org/techspecs/ MMA], with the table of messages and control change [www.midi.org/techspecs/midimessages.php message numbers] Program Change Again "O" or "X" in the Transmitted or Recognised column to indicate whether or not the feature is implemented. In addition a range of numbers is shown, typically 0-127, to show what is available. True # (number): "The range of the program change numbers which correspond to the actual number of patches selected." System Exclusive Used to indicate whether or not the device can send or recognise System Exclusive messages. A short description is often given in the Remarks field followed by a detailed explanation elsewhere in the documentation. System Common - These include the following: <pre> MIDI Time Code Quarter Frame messages (device synchronisation). Song Position Pointer Song Select Tune Request </pre> The section will indicate whether or not the device can send or respond to any of these messages. System Real Time These include the following: <pre> Timing Clock - often just written as "Clock" Start Stop Continue </pre> These three are usually just referred to as "Commands" and listed. Again the section will indicate which, if any, of these messages the device can send or respond to. <pre> Aux. Messages Again "O" or "X" for implemented or not. Aux. = Auxiliary. Active Sense = Active Sensing. </pre> Often with an explanation of the action of the device. Notes The "Notes" section can contain any additional comments to clarify the particular implementation. Some of the explanations have been drawn directly from the MMA MIDI 1.0 Detailed Specification. And the detailed explanation of some of the functions will be found there, or in the General MIDI System Level 1 or General MIDI System Level 2 documents also published by the MMA. OFFICIAL MIDI SPECIFICATIONS SUMMARY OF MIDI MESSAGES Table 1 - Summary of MIDI Messages The following table lists the major MIDI messages in numerical (binary) order (adapted from "MIDI by the Numbers" by D. Valenti, Electronic Musician 2/88, and updated by the MIDI Manufacturers Association.). This table is intended as an overview of MIDI, and is by no means complete. WARNING! Details about implementing these messages can dramatically impact compatibility with other products. We strongly recommend consulting the official MIDI Specifications for additional information. MIDI 1.0 Specification Message Summary Channel Voice Messages [nnnn = 0-15 (MIDI Channel Number 1-16)] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Status D7----D0 ! width="10%" |Data Byte(s) D7----D0 ! width="20%" |Description |- |<!--Status-->1000nnnn || <!--Data-->0kkkkkkk 0vvvvvvv || <!--Description-->Note Off event. This message is sent when a note is released (ended). (kkkkkkk) is the key (note) number. (vvvvvvv) is the velocity. |- |<!--Status-->1001nnnn || <!--Data-->0kkkkkkk 0vvvvvvv || <!--Description-->Note On event. This message is sent when a note is depressed (start). (kkkkkkk) is the key (note) number. (vvvvvvv) is the velocity. |- |<!--Status-->1010nnnn || <!--Data-->0kkkkkkk 0vvvvvvv || <!--Description-->Polyphonic Key Pressure (Aftertouch). This message is most often sent by pressing down on the key after it "bottoms out". (kkkkkkk) is the key (note) number. (vvvvvvv) is the pressure value. |- |<!--Status-->1011nnnn || <!--Data-->0ccccccc 0vvvvvvv || <!--Description-->Control Change. This message is sent when a controller value changes. Controllers include devices such as pedals and levers. Controller numbers 120-127 are reserved as "Channel Mode Messages" (below). (ccccccc) is the controller number (0-119). (vvvvvvv) is the controller value (0-127). |- |<!--Status-->1100nnnn || <!--Data-->0ppppppp || <!--Description-->Program Change. This message sent when the patch number changes. (ppppppp) is the new program number. |- |<!--Status-->1101nnnn || <!--Data-->0vvvvvvv || <!--Description-->Channel Pressure (After-touch). This message is most often sent by pressing down on the key after it "bottoms out". This message is different from polyphonic after-touch. Use this message to send the single greatest pressure value (of all the current depressed keys). (vvvvvvv) is the pressure value. |- |<!--Status-->1110nnnn || <!--Data-->0lllllll 0mmmmmmm || <!--Description-->Pitch Bend Change. This message is sent to indicate a change in the pitch bender (wheel or lever, typically). The pitch bender is measured by a fourteen bit value. Center (no pitch change) is 2000H. Sensitivity is a function of the receiver, but may be set using RPN 0. (lllllll) are the least significant 7 bits. (mmmmmmm) are the most significant 7 bits. |} Channel Mode Messages (See also Control Change, above) {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Status D7----D0 ! width="10%" |Data Byte(s) D7----D0 ! width="20%" |Description |- |<!--Status-->1011nnnn || <!--Data-->0ccccccc 0vvvvvvv || <!--Description-->Channel Mode Messages. This the same code as the Control Change (above), but implements Mode control and special message by using reserved controller numbers 120-127. The commands are: *All Sound Off. When All Sound Off is received all oscillators will turn off, and their volume envelopes are set to zero as soon as possible c = 120, v = 0: All Sound Off *Reset All Controllers. When Reset All Controllers is received, all controller values are reset to their default values. (See specific Recommended Practices for defaults) c = 121, v = x: Value must only be zero unless otherwise allowed in a specific Recommended Practice. *Local Control. When Local Control is Off, all devices on a given channel will respond only to data received over MIDI. Played data, etc. will be ignored. Local Control On restores the functions of the normal controllers. c = 122, v = 0: Local Control Off c = 122, v = 127: Local Control On * All Notes Off. When an All Notes Off is received, all oscillators will turn off. c = 123, v = 0: All Notes Off (See text for description of actual mode commands.) c = 124, v = 0: Omni Mode Off c = 125, v = 0: Omni Mode On c = 126, v = M: Mono Mode On (Poly Off) where M is the number of channels (Omni Off) or 0 (Omni On) c = 127, v = 0: Poly Mode On (Mono Off) (Note: These four messages also cause All Notes Off) |} System Common Messages System Messages (0xF0) The final status nybble is a “catch all” for data that doesn’t fit the other statuses. They all use the most significant nybble (4bits) of 0xF, with the least significant nybble indicating the specific category. The messages are denoted when the MSB of the second nybble is 1. When that bit is a 0, the messages fall into two other subcategories. System Common If the MSB of the second second nybble (4 bits) is not set, this indicates a System Common message. Most of these are messages that include some additional data bytes. System Common Messages Type Status Byte Number of Data Bytes Usage <pre> Time Code Quarter Frame 0xF1 1 Indicates timing using absolute time code, primarily for synthronization with video playback systems. A single location requires eight messages to send the location in an encoded hours:minutes:seconds:frames format*. Song Position 0xF2 2 Instructs a sequencer to jump to a new position in the song. The data bytes form a 14-bit value that expresses the location as the number of sixteenth notes from the start of the song. Song Select 0xF3 1 Instructs a sequencer to select a new song. The data byte indicates the song. Undefined 0xF4 0 Undefined 0xF5 0 Tune Request 0xF6 0 Requests that the receiver retunes itself**. </pre> *MIDI Time Code (MTC) is significantly complex. Please see the MIDI Specification **While modern digital instruments are good at staying in tune, older analog synthesizers were prone to tuning drift. Some analog synthesizers had an automatic tuning operation that could be initiated with this command. System Exclusive If you’ve been keeping track, you’ll notice there are two status bytes not yet defined: 0xf0 and 0xf7. These are used by the System Exclusive message, often abbreviated at SysEx. SysEx provides a path to send arbitrary data over a MIDI connection. There is a group of predefined messages for complex data, like fine grained control of MIDI Time code machinery. SysEx is also used to send manufacturer defined data, such as patches, or even firmware updates. System Exclusive messages are longer than other MIDI messages, and can be any length. The messages are of the following format: 0xF0, 0xID, 0xdd, ...... 0xF7 The message is bookended with distinct bytes. It opens with the Start Of Exclusive (SOX) data byte, 0xF0. The next one to three bytes after the start are an identifier. Values from 0x01 to 0x7C are one-byte vendor IDs, assigned to manufacturers who were involved with MIDI at the beginning. If the ID is 0x00, it’s a three-byte vendor ID - the next two bytes of the message are the value. <pre> ID 0x7D is a placeholder for non-commercial entities. ID 0x7E indicates a predefined Non-realtime SysEx message. ID 0x7F indicates a predefined Realtime SysEx message. </pre> After the ID is the data payload, sent as a stream of bytes. The transfer concludes with the End of Exclusive (EOX) byte, 0xF7. The payload data must follow the guidelines for MIDI data bytes – the MSB must not be set, so only 7 bits per byte are actually usable. If the MSB is set, it falls into three possible scenarios. An End of Exclusive byte marks the ordinary termination of the SysEx transfer. System Real Time messages may occur within the transfer without interrupting it. The recipient should handle them independently of the SysEx transfer. Other status bytes implicitly terminate the SysEx transfer and signal the start of new messages. Some inexpensive USB-to-MIDI interfaces aren’t capable of handling messages longer than four bytes. {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Status D7----D0 ! width="10%" |Data Byte(s) D7----D0 ! width="20%" |Description |- |<!--Status-->11110000 || <!--Data-->0iiiiiii [0iiiiiii 0iiiiiii] 0ddddddd --- --- 0ddddddd 11110111 || <!--Description-->System Exclusive. This message type allows manufacturers to create their own messages (such as bulk dumps, patch parameters, and other non-spec data) and provides a mechanism for creating additional MIDI Specification messages. The Manufacturer's ID code (assigned by MMA or AMEI) is either 1 byte (0iiiiiii) or 3 bytes (0iiiiiii 0iiiiiii 0iiiiiii). Two of the 1 Byte IDs are reserved for extensions called Universal Exclusive Messages, which are not manufacturer-specific. If a device recognizes the ID code as its own (or as a supported Universal message) it will listen to the rest of the message (0ddddddd). Otherwise, the message will be ignored. (Note: Only Real-Time messages may be interleaved with a System Exclusive.) |- |<!--Status-->11110001 || <!--Data-->0nnndddd || <!--Description-->MIDI Time Code Quarter Frame. nnn = Message Type dddd = Values |- |<!--Status-->11110010 || <!--Data-->0lllllll 0mmmmmmm || <!--Description-->Song Position Pointer. This is an internal 14 bit register that holds the number of MIDI beats (1 beat= six MIDI clocks) since the start of the song. l is the LSB, m the MSB. |- |<!--Status-->11110011 || <!--Data-->0sssssss || <!--Description-->Song Select. The Song Select specifies which sequence or song is to be played. |- |<!--Status-->11110100 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Undefined. (Reserved) |- |<!--Status-->11110101 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Undefined. (Reserved) |- |<!--Status-->11110110 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Tune Request. Upon receiving a Tune Request, all analog synthesizers should tune their oscillators. |- |<!--Status-->11110111 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->End of Exclusive. Used to terminate a System Exclusive dump. |} System Real-Time Messages {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Status D7----D0 ! width="10%" |Data Byte(s) D7----D0 ! width="20%" |Description |- |<!--Status-->11111000 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Timing Clock. Sent 24 times per quarter note when synchronization is required. |- |<!--Status-->11111001 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Undefined. (Reserved) |- |<!--Status-->11111010 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Start. Start the current sequence playing. (This message will be followed with Timing Clocks). |- |<!--Status-->11111011 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Continue. Continue at the point the sequence was Stopped. |- |<!--Status-->11111100 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Stop. Stop the current sequence. |- |<!--Status-->11111101 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Undefined. (Reserved) |- |<!--Status-->11111110 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Active Sensing. This message is intended to be sent repeatedly to tell the receiver that a connection is alive. Use of this message is optional. When initially received, the receiver will expect to receive another Active Sensing message each 300ms (max), and if it does not then it will assume that the connection has been terminated. At termination, the receiver will turn off all voices and return to normal (non- active sensing) operation. |- |<!--Status-->11111111 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Reset. Reset all receivers in the system to power-up status. This should be used sparingly, preferably under manual control. In particular, it should not be sent on power-up. |} Advanced Messages Polyphonic Pressure (0xA0) and Channel Pressure (0xD0) Some MIDI controllers include a feature known as Aftertouch. While a key is being held down, the player can press harder on the key. The controller measures this, and converts it into MIDI messages. Aftertouch comes in two flavors, with two different status messages. The first flavor is polyphonic aftertouch, where every key on the controller is capable of sending its own independent pressure information. The messages are of the following format: <pre> 0xnc, 0xkk, 0xpp n is the status (0xA) c is the channel nybble kk is the key number (0 to 127) pp is the pressure value (0 to 127) </pre> Polyphonic aftertouch is an uncommon feature, usually found on premium quality instruments, because every key requires a separate pressure sensor, plus the circuitry to read them all. Much more commonly found is channel aftertouch. Instead of needing a discrete sensor per key, it uses a single, larger sensor to measure pressure on all of the keys as a group. The messages omit the key number, leaving a two-byte format <pre> 0xnc, 0xpp n is the status (0xD) c is the channel number pp is the pressure value (0 to 127) </pre> Pitch Bend (0xE0) Many keyboards have a wheel or lever towards the left of the keys for pitch bend control. This control is usually spring-loaded, so it snaps back to the center of its range when released. This allows for both upward and downward bends. Pitch Bend Wheel The wheel sends pitch bend messages, of the format <pre> 0xnc, 0xLL, 0xMM n is the status (0xE) c is the channel number LL is the 7 least-significant bits of the value MM is the 7 most-significant bits of the value </pre> You’ll notice that the bender data is actually 14 bits long, transmitted as two 7-bit data bytes. This means that the recipient needs to reassemble those bytes using binary manipulation. 14 bits results in an overall range of 214, or 0 to 16,383. Because it defaults to the center of the range, the default value for the bender is halfway through that range, at 8192 (0x2000). Control Change (0xB0) In addition to pitch bend, MIDI has provisions for a wider range of expressive controls, sometimes known as continuous controllers, often abbreviated CC. These are transmitted by the remaining knobs and sliders on the keyboard controller shown below. Continuous Controllers These controls send the following message format: <pre> 0xnc, 0xcc, 0xvv n is the status (0xB) c is the MIDI channel cc is the controller number (0-127) vv is the controller value (0-127) </pre> Typically, the wheel next to the bender sends controller number one, assigned to modulation (or vibrato) depth. It is implemented by most instruments. The remaining controller number assignments are another point of confusion. The MIDI specification was revised in version 2.0 to assign uses for many of the controllers. However, this implementation is not universal, and there are ranges of unassigned controllers. On many modern MIDI devices, the controllers are assignable. On the controller keyboard shown in the photos, the various controls can be configured to transmit different controller numbers. Controller numbers can be mapped to particular parameters. Virtual synthesizers frequently allow the user to assign CCs to the on-screen controls. This is very flexible, but it might require configuration on both ends of the link and completely bypasses the assignments in the standard. Program Change (0xC0) Most synthesizers have patch storage memory, and can be told to change patches using the following command: <pre> 0xnc, 0xpp n is the status (0xc) c is the channel pp is the patch number (0-127) </pre> This allows for 128 sounds to be selected, but modern instruments contain many more than 128 patches. Controller #0 is used as an additional layer of addressing, interpreted as a “bank select” command. Selecting a sound on such an instrument might involve two messages: a bank select controller message, then a program change. Audio & Midi are not synchronized, what I can do ? Buy a commercial software package but there is a nasty trick to synchronize both. It's a bit hardcore but works for me: Simply put one line down to all midi notes on your pattern (use Insert key) and go to 'Misc. Setup', adjust the latency and just search a value that will make sound sync both audio/midi. The stock Sin/Saw/Pulse and Rnd waveforms are too simple/common, is there a way to use something more complex/rich ? You have to ability to redirect the waveforms of the instruments through the synth pipe by selecting the "wav" option for the oscillator you're using for this synth instrument, samples can be used as wavetables to replace the stock signals. Sound banks like soundfont (sf2) or Kontakt2 are not supported at the moment ====DAW Audio Evolution 4==== Audio Evolution 4 gives you unsurpassed power for digital audio recording and editing on the Amiga. The latest release focusses on time-saving non-linear and non-destructive editing, as seen on other platforms. Besides editing, Audio Evolution 4 offers a wide range of realtime effects, including compression, noise gate, delays, reverb, chorus and 3-band EQ. Whether you put them as inserts on a channel or use them as auxillaries, the effect parameters are realtime adjustable and can be fully automated. Together with all other mixing parameters, they can even be controlled remotely, using more ergonomic MIDI hardware. Non-linear editing on the time line, including cut, copy, paste, move, split, trim and crossfade actions The number of tracks per project(s) is unlimited .... AHI limits you to recording only two at a time. i.e. not on 8 track sound cards like the Juli@ or Phase 88. sample file import is limited to 16bit AIFF (not AIFC, important distinction as some files from other sources can be AIFC with aiff file extention). and 16bit WAV (pcm only) Most apps use the Music Unit only but a few apps also use Unit (0-3) instead or as well. * Set up AHI prefs so that microphone is available. (Input option near the bottom) stereo++ allows the audio piece to be placed anywhere and the left-right adjusted to sound positionally right hifi best for music playback if driver supports this option Load 16bit .aif .aiff only sample(s) to use not AIFC which can have the same ending. AIFF stands for Audio Interchange File Format sox recital.wav recital.aiff sox recital.wav −b 16 recital.aiff channels 1 rate 16k fade 3 norm sox input.wav output.aiff bass −b 16 rate 48k performs the same format translation, but also applies four effects (down-mix to one channel, sample rate change, fade-in, nomalize), and stores the result at a bit-depth of 16. rec −c 2 radio.aiff trim 0 30:00 records half an hour of stereo audio play existing-file.wav 24bit PCM WAV or AIFF do not work *No stream format handling. So no way to pass on an AC3 encoded stream unmodified to the digital outputs through AHI. *No master volume handling. Each application has to set its own volume. So each driver implements its own custom driver-mixer interface for handling master volumes, mute and preamps. *Only one output stream. So all input gets mixed into one output. *No automatic handling of output direction based on connected cables. *No monitor input selection. Only monitor volume control. select the correct input (Don't mistake enabled sound for the correct input.) The monitor will feedback audio to the lineout and hp out no matter if you have selected the correct input to the ADC. The monitor will provide sound for any valid input. This will result in free mixing when recording from the monitor input instead of mic/line because the monitor itself will provide the hardware mixing for you. Be aware that MIC inputs will give two channel mono. Only Linein will give real stereo. Now for the not working part. Attempt to record from linein in the AE4 record window, the right channel is noise and the left channel is distorted. Even with the recommended HIFI 16bit Stereo++ mode at 48kHz. Channels Monitor Gain Inout Output Advanced settings - Debugging via serial port * Options -> Soundcard In/Out * Options -> SampleRate * Options -> Preferences F6 for Sample File List Setting a grid is easy as is measuring the BPM by marking a section of the sample. Is your kick drum track "not in time" ? If so, you're stumped in AE4 as it has no fancy variable time signatures and definitely no 'track this dodgy rhythm' function like software of the nature of Logic has. So if your drum beat is freeform you will need to work in freeform mode. (Real music is free form anyway). If the drum *is* accurate and you are just having trouble measuring the time, I usually measure over a range of bars and set the number of beats in range to say 16 as this is more accurate, Then you will need to shift the drum track to match your grid *before* applying the grid. (probably an iterative process as when the grid is active samples snap to it, and when inactive you cannot see it). AE4 does have ARexx but the functions are more for adding samples at set offsets and starting playback / recording. These are the usual features found in DAWs... * Recording digital audio, midi sequencer and mixer * virtual VST instruments and plug-ins * automation, group channels, MIDI channels, FX sends and returns, audio and MIDI editors and music notation editor * different track views * mixer and track layout (but not the same as below) * traditional two windows (track and mixer) Mixing - mixdown Could not figure out how to select what part I wanted to send to the aux, set it to echo and return. Pretty much the whole echo effect. Or any effect. Take look at page17 of the manual. When you open the EQ / Aux send popup window you will see 4 sends. Now from the menu choose the windows menu. Menus->Windows-> Aux Returns Window or press F5 You will see a small window with 4 volume controls and an effects button for each. Click a button and add an effects to that aux channel, then set it up as desired (note the reverb effect has a special AUX setting that improves its use with the aux channel, not compulsory but highly useful). You set the amount of 'return' on the main mix in the Aux Return window, and the amount sent from each main mixer channel in the popup for that channel. Again the aux sends are "prefade" so the volume faders on each channel do not affect them. Tracking Effects - fade in To add some echoes to some vocals, tried to add an effect on a track but did not come out. This is made more complicated as I wanted to mute a vocal but then make it echo at the muting point. Want to have one word of a vocal heard and then echoed off. But when the track is mute the echo is cancelled out. To correctly understand what is happening here you need to study the figure at the bottom of page 15 on the manual. You will see from that that the effects are applied 'prefade' So the automation you applied will naturally mute the entire signal. There would be a number of ways to achieve the goal, You have three real time effects slots, one for smoothing like so Sample -> Amplify -> Delay Then automate the gain of the amplify block so that it effectively mutes the sample just before the delay at the appropriate moment, the echo effect should then be heard. Getting the effects in the right order will require experimentation as they can only be added top down and it's not obvious which order they are applied to the signal, but there only two possibilities, so it wont take long to find out. Using MUTE can cause clicks to the Amplify can be used to mute more smoothly so that's a secondary advantage. Signal Processing - Overdub [[#top|...to the top]] ===Office=== ====Spreadsheet Leu==== Support for some xlsx, and ods functions ====Spreadsheet Ignition==== ; Needs ABIv1 to be completed before more can be done File formats supported * ascii #?.txt and #?.csv (single sheets with data only). * igs and TurboCalc(WIP) #?.tc for all sheets with data, formats and formulas. There is '''no''' support for xls, xlsx, ods or uos ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Office_Format Uniform Unified Office Format]) at the moment. * Always use Esc key after editing Spreadsheet cells. * copy/paste seems to copy the first instance only so go to Edit -> Clipboard to manage the list of remembered actions. * Right mouse click on row (1 or 2 or 3) or column header (a or b or c) to access optimal height or width of the row or column respectively * Edit -> Insert -> Row seems to clear the spreadsheet or clears the rows after the inserted row until undo restores as it should be... Change Sheet name by Object -> Sheet -> Properties Click in the cell which will contain the result, and click '''down arrow button''' to the right of the formula box at the bottom of the spreadsheet and choose the function required from the list provided. Then click on the start cell and click on the bottom right corner, a '''very''' small blob, which allows stretching a bounding box (thick grey outlines) across many cells This grey bounding box can be used to '''copy a formula''' to other cells. Object -> Cell -> Properties to change cell format - Currency only covers DM and not $, Euro, Renminbi, Yen or Pound etc. Shift key and arrow keys selects a range of cells, so that '''formatting can be done to all highlighted cells'''. View -> Overview then select ALL with one click (in empty cell in the top left hand corner of the sheet). Default mode is relative cell referencing e.g. a1+a2 but absolute e.g. $a$1+$a$2 can be entered. * #sheet-name to '''absolute''' reference another sheet-name cell unless reference() function used. ;Graphs use shift key and arrow keys to select a bunch of cells to be graph'ed making sure that x axes represents and y axes represents * value() - 0 value, 1 percent, 2 date, 3 time, 4 unit ... ;Dates * Excel starts a running count from the 1st Jan 1900 and Ignition starts from 1st Jan 1AD '''(maybe this needs to change)''' Set formatting Object -> Cell -> Properties and put date in days ;Time Set formatting Object -> Cell -> Properties and put time in seconds taken ;Database (to be done by someone else) type - standard, reference (bezug), search criterion (suchkriterium), * select a bunch of cells and Object -> Database -> Define to set Datenbank (database) and Felder (fields not sure how?) * Neu (new) or loschen (delete) to add/remove database headings e.g. Personal, Start Date, Finish Date (one per row?) * Object -> Database -> Index to add fields (felder) like Surname, First Name, Employee ID, etc. to ? Filtering done with dbfilter(), dbproduct() and dbposition(). Activities with dbsum(), dbaverage(), dbmin() and dbmax(). Table sorting - ;Scripts (Arexx) ;Excel(TM) to Ignition - commas ''',''' replaced by semi-colons ''';''' to separate values within functions *SUM(), *AVERAGE(), MAX(), MIN(), INT(), PRODUCT(), MEDIAN(), VAR() becomes Variance(), Percentile(), *IF(), AND, OR, NOT *LEFT(), RIGHT(), MID() becomes MIDDLE(), LEN() becomes LENGTH(), *LOWER() becomes LOWERCASE(), UPPER() becomes UPPERCASE(), * DATE(yyyy,mm,dd) becomes COMPUTEDATE(dd;mm;yyyy), *TODAY(), DAY(),WEEK(), MONTH(),=YEAR(TODAY()), *EOMONTH() becomes MONTHLENGTH(), *NOW() should be date and time becomes time only, SECOND(), MINUTE(), HOUR(), *DBSUM() becomes DSUM(), ;Missing and possibly useful features/functions needed for ignition to have better support of Excel files There is no Merge and Join Text over many cells, no protect and/or freeze row or columns or books but can LOCK sheets, no define bunch of cells as a name, Macros (Arexx?), conditional formatting, no Solver, no Goal Seek, no Format Painter, no AutoFill, no AutoSum function button, no pivot tables, (30 argument limit applies to Excel) *HLOOKUP(), VLOOKUP(), [http://production-scheduling.com/excel-index-function-most-useful/ INDEX(), MATCH()], CHOOSE(), TEXT(), *TRIM(), FIND(), SUBSTITUTE(), CONCATENATE() or &, PROPER(), REPT(), *[https://acingexcel.com/excel-sumproduct-function/ SUMPRODUCT()], ROUND(), ROUNDUP(), *ROUNDDOWN(), COUNT(), COUNTA(), SUMIF(), COUNTIF(), COUNTBLANK(), TRUNC(), *PMT(), PV(), FV(), POWER(), SQRT(), MODE(), TRUE, FALSE, *MODE(), LARGE(), SMALL(), RANK(), STDEV(), *DCOUNT(), DCOUNTA(), WEEKDAY(), ;Excel Keyboard [http://dmcritchie.mvps.org/excel/shortx2k.htm shortcuts needed to aid usability in Ignition] <pre> Ctrl Z - Undo Ctrl D - Fill Down Ctrl R - Fill right Ctrl F - Find Ctrl H - Replace Ctrl 1 - Formatting of Cells CTRL SHIFT ~ Apply General Formatting ie a number Ctrl ; - Todays Date F2 - Edit cell F4 - toggle cell absolute / relative cell references </pre> ====Document Scanning - Scandal==== Scanner usually needs to be connected via a USB port and not via a hub or extension lead. Check in Trident Prefs -> Devices that the USB Scanner is not bound to anything (e.g. Bindings None) If not found then reboot the computer and recheck. Start Scandal, choose Settings from Menu strip at top of screen and in Scanner Driver choose the ?#.device of the scanner (e.g. epson2.device). The next two boxes - leave empty as they are for morphos SCSI use only or put ata.device (use the selection option in bigger box below) and Unit as 0 this is needed for gt68xx * gt68xx - no editing needed in s/gt68xx.conf but needs a firmware file that corresponds to the scanner [http://www.meier-geinitz.de/sane/gt68xx-backend/ gt68xx firmwares] in sys:s/gt68xx. * epson2 - Need to edit the file epson2.conf in sys/s that corresponds to the scanner being used '''Save''' the settings but do not press the Use button (aros freezes) Back to the Picture Scan window and the right-hand sections. Click on the '''Information''' tab and press Connect button and the scanner should now be detected. Go next to the '''Scanner''' tab next to Information Tab should have Color, Black and White, etc. and dpi settings now. Selecting an option Color, B/W etc. can cause dpi settings corruption (especially if the settings are in one line) so set '''dpi first'''. Make sure if Preview is set or not. In the '''Scan''' Tab, press Scan and the scanner will do its duty. Be aware that nothing is saved to disk yet. In the Save tab, change format JPEG, PNG or IFF DEEP. Tick incremental and base filename if necessary and then click the Save button. The image will now be saved to permanent storage. The driver ignores a device if it is already bond to another USB class, rejects it from being usable. However, open Trident prefs, select your device and use the right mouse button to open. Select "NONE" to prevent poseidon from touching the device. Now save settings. It should always work now. [[#top|...to the top]] ===Emulators=== ==== Amiberry ==== ==== Amiga Emu - Janus UAE ==== With Amibridge, AROS attempts to make the UAE emulator seem embedded within but it still is acting as an app There is no dynarec m68k for each hardware that Aros supports or direct patching of motorola calls to AROS hardware accelerated ones unless the emulator has that included Try starting Janus with a priority of -1 like this little script: <pre> cd sys:system/AmiBridge/emulator changetaskpri -1 run janus-uae -f my_uaerc.config >nil: cd sys:prefs endcli </pre> This stops Janus hogging all the CPU time. ===Miscellaneous=== ====Screensaver Blanker==== Most blankers on the amiga (i.e. aros) run as commodities (they are in the tools/commodities drawer). Double click on blanker. Control is with an app called Exchange, which you need to run first (double click on app) or run QUIET sys:tools/commodities/Exchange >NIL: but subsequently can use (Cntrl Alt h). Icon tool types (may be broken) or command line options <pre> seconds=number </pre> Once the timing is right then add the following to s:icaros-sequence or s:user-startup e.g. for 5 minutes run QUIET sys:tools/commodities/Blanker seconds=300 >NIL: *[http://archives.aros-exec.org/index.php?function=showfile&file=graphics/screenblanker/gblanker.i386-aros.zip Garshneblanker] can make Aros unstable or slow. Certain blankers crashes in Icaros 2.0.x like Dragon, Executor. *[ Acuario AROS version], the aquarium screen saver. Startup: extras:acuariofv-aros/acuario Kill: c:break name=extras:acuariofv-aros/acuario Managed to start Acuario by the Executor blanker. <pre> cx_priority= cx_popkey= ie CX_POPKEY="Shift F1" cx_popup=Yes or No </pre> <pre> Qualifier String Input Event Class ---------------- ----------------- "lshift" IEQUALIFIER_LSHIFT "rshift" IEQUALIFIER_RSHIFT "capslock" IEQUALIFIER_CAPSLOCK "control" IEQUALIFIER_CONTROL "lalt" IEQUALIFIER_LALT "ralt" IEQUALIFIER_RALT "lcommand" IEQUALIFIER_LCOMMAND "rcommand" IEQUALIFIER_RCOMMAND "numericpad" IEQUALIFIER_NUMERICPAD "repeat" IEQUALIFIER_REPEAT "midbutton" IEQUALIFIER_MIDBUTTON "rbutton" IEQUALIFIER_RBUTTON "leftbutton" IEQUALIFIER_LEFTBUTTON "relativemouse" IEQUALIFIER_RELATIVEMOUSE </pre> <pre> Synonym Synonym String Identifier ------- ---------- "shift" IXSYM_SHIFT /* look for either shift key */ "caps" IXSYM_CAPS /* look for either shift key or capslock */ "alt" IXSYM_ALT /* look for either alt key */ Highmap is one of the following strings: "space", "backspace", "tab", "enter", "return", "esc", "del", "up", "down", "right", "left", "f1", "f2", "f3", "f4", "f5", "f6", "f7", "f8", "f9", "f10", "help". </pre> [[#top|...to the top]] ==== World Construction Set WCS (Version 2.031) ==== WCS is a fractal landscape software such as Scenery Animator, Vista Pro and Panorama. Open sourced February 2022, World Construction Set [https://3dnature.com/downloads/legacy-software/ legally and for free] and [https://github.com/AlphaPixel/3DNature c source]. Announced August 1994 this version dates from April 1996 developed by Gary R. Huber and Chris "Xenon" Hanson" from Questar <pre> Assign "WCSProjects:" "Volume:Dir/Dir/WCSProjects" Assign "WCSFrames:" "Volume:Dir/Dir/WCSFrames" </pre> <pre> Load projects .proj by accessing pull down menu Project -> Open then click on CanyonSunset.proj OK to changing .par file and enlarge Status Log window to show what is happening Render by pull down menu Modules -> Render with End equal 1 not 300 then click bottom middle button Render </pre> [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxQDmf1ZWG0 Youtube walkthrough of above], [], [], Also try working with the already built file ColoDemo - Then open with the drop-down menu: Project/Open, then WCSProject:ColoDemo.proj Which allows you to use altimetric DEM files already included and Loading scene parameters from ColoDemo.par Once this is done, save everything with a new name to start working exclusively on your project. Then drop-down menu and select Save As ("NewName".proj name), then drop-down menu to open parameter and select Save All ( .par name) After launching the software, there is a the Module Control Panel composed of five icons. It is a dock type shortcut of the first few functions of the drop-down menu *Database - Load (#?.proj), Append, Create, Edit, Save, Dir List (of WCSProject drawer), *Data Ops - Extract / Convert Interp DEM, Import DLG, DXF, WDB and export LW map 3d formats *Map View - Database file Loader leading to Map View Control with option to the Database Editor *Parameters - Editor for Motion, Color, Ecosystem, Clouds, Waves, management of altimeter files DEM, sclock settings etc *Render - rendering terrain These are more in the pull down menu but not in the dock *Motion Editor *Color Editor *Ecosys Editor Simple minimal workflow *Load database (1st icon - 1st) *Set parameters and save .par file (4th icon) *Render scene (5th icon) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbTwwR2qcc4 Youtube], [], <pre> .proj new project name which creates a drawer of additional files .binary array, ascii array .xyz , z buffer, DTED .dt0, vista 1990s dem, iff conversion .Obj with .elev, .frd with .hdr maps, - digital elevation model (DEM) is a 3D representation of elevation data in various formats USGS 7.5MinDEM, .par </pre> Since for the time being no project is loaded, a query window indicates a procedural error when clicking on the rendering icon (right end of the bar). The menu is quite traditional; it varies according to the activity of the windows. To display any altimetric file in the "Mapview" (third icon of the panel), There are three possibilities: * Loading of a demonstration project. * The import of a DEM file, followed by texturing and packaging from the "Database-Editor" and the "Color-Editor". * The creation of an altimetric file in WCS format, then texturing. The altimeter file editing (display in the menu) is only made possible if the "Mapview" window is active. The software is made up of many windows and won't be able to describe them all. Know that "Color-Editor" and the "Data-Editor" comprise sufficient functions for obtaining an almost real rendering quality. You have the possibility of inserting vector objects in the "Data-Editor" (creation of roads, railways, etc.) The Map View (MapView) window *Database - Objects and Topos *View - Align, Center, Zoom, Pan, Move *Draw - Maps and distance *Object - Find, highlight, add points, conform topo, duplicate *Motion - Camera, Focus, path, elevation *Windows - DEM designer, Cloud (.cld) and wave (.wve) editor, You will notice that by selecting this window and simply moving the pointer to various points on the map you will see latitude and longitude values ​​change, along with the height. Drop-down menu and Modules, then select MapView and change the width of the window with the map to arrange it in the best way on the screen. With the Auto button the center. Window that then displays the contents of my DEM file, in this case the Grand Canyon. MapView allows you to observe the shape of the landscape from above ZOOM button Press the Zoom button and then with the pointer position on a point on the map, press the left mouse button and then move to the opposite corner to circumscribe the chosen area and press the left mouse button again, then we will see the enlarged area selected on the map. Would add that there is a box next to the Zoom button that allows the direct insertion of a value which, the larger it is, the smaller the magnification and the smaller the value, the stronger the magnification. At each numerical change you will need to press the DRAW button to update the view. PAN button Under Zoom you will find the PAN button which allows you to move the map at will in all directions by the amount you want. This is done by drawing a line in one direction, then press PAN and point to an area on the map with the pointer and press the left mouse button. At this point, leave it and move the pointer in one direction by drawing a line and press the left mouse button again to trigger the movement of the map on the screen (origin and end points). Do some experiments and then use the Auto button immediately below to recenter everything. There are parameters such as TOPO, VEC to be left checked and immediately below one that allows different views of the map with the Style command (Single, Multi, Surface, Emboss, Slope, Contour), each with its own particularities to highlight different details. Now you have the first basics to manage your project visually on the map. Close the MapView window and go further... Let's start working on ECOSYSTEMS If we select Emboss from the MapView Style command we will have a clear idea of ​​how the landscape appears, realizing that it is a predominantly desert region of our planet. Therefore we will begin to act on any vegetation present and the appearance of the landscape. With WCS we will begin to break down the elements of the landscape by assigning defined characteristics. It will be necessary to determine the classes of the ecosystem (Class) with parameters of Elevation Line (maximum altitude), Relative Elevation (arrangement on basins or convexities with respectively positive or negative parameters), Min Slope and Max Slope (slope). WCS offers the possibility of making ecosystems coexist on the same terrain with the UnderEco function, by setting a Density value. Ecosys Ecosystem Editor Let's open it from Modules, then Ecosys Editor. In the left pane you will find the list of ecosystems referring to the files present in our project. It will be necessary to clean up that box to leave only the Water and Snow landscapes and a few other predefined ones. We can do this by selecting the items and pressing the Remove button (be careful not for all elements the button is activated, therefore they cannot all be eliminated). Once this is done we can start adding new ecosystems. Scroll through the various Unused and as soon as the Name item at the top is activated allowing you to write, type the name of your ecosystem, adding the necessary parameters. <pre> Ecosystem1: Name: RockBase Class: Rock Density: 80 MinSlope: 15 UnderEco: Terrain Ecosystem2: Name: RockIncl Clss: Rock Density: 80 MinSlope: 30 UnderEco: Terrain Ecosystem3: Name: Grass Class Low Veg Density: 50 Height: 1 Elev Line : 1500 Rel El Eff: 5 Max Slope: 10 – Min Slope: 0 UnderEco: Terrain Ecosistema4: Name: Shrubs Class: Low Veg Density: 40 Height: 8 Elev Line: 3000 Rel El Eff: -2 Max Slope: 20 Min Slope : 5 UnderEco: Terrain Ecosistema5: Name: Terrain Class: Ground Density: 100 UnderEco: Terrain </pre> Now we need to identify an intermediate ecosystem that guarantees a smooth transition between all, therefore we select as Understory Ecosystem the one called Terrain in all ecosystems, except Snow and Water . Now we need to 'emerge' the Colorado River in the Canyon and we can do this by raising the sea level to 900 (Sea Level) in the Ecosystem called Water. Please note that the order of the ecosystem list gives priority to those that come after. So our list must have the following order: Water, Snow, Shrubs, RockIncl, RockBase, Terrain. It is possible to carry out all movements with the Swap button at the bottom. To put order you can also press Short List. Press Keep to confirm all the work done so far with Ecosystem Editor. Remember every now and then to save both the Project 'Modules/Save' and 'Parameter/Save All' EcoModels are made up of .etp .fgp .iff8 for each model Color Editor Now it's time to define the colors of our scene and we can do this by going to Modules and then Color Editor. In the list we focus on our ecosystems, created first. Let's go to the bottom of the list and select the first white space, assigning the name 'empty1', with a color we like and then we will find this element again in other environments... It could serve as an example for other situations! So we move to 'grass' which already exists and assign the following colors: R 60 G 70 B50 <pre> 'shrubs': R 60 G 80 B 30 'RockIncl' R 110 G 65 B 60 'RockBase' R 110 G 80 B 80 ' Terrain' R 150 G 30 B 30 <pre> Now we can work on pre-existing colors <pre> 'SunLight' R 150 G 130 B 130 'Haze and Fog' R 190 G 170 B 170 'Horizon' R 209 G 185 B 190 'Zenith' R 140 G 150 B 200 'Water' R 90 G 125 B 170 </pre> Ambient R 0 G 0 B 0 So don't forget to close Color Editor by pressing Keep. Go once again to Ecosystem Editor and assign the corresponding color to each environment by selecting it using the Ecosystem Color button. Press it several times until the correct one appears. Then save the project and parameters again, as done previously. Motion Editor Now it's time to take care of the framing, so let's go to Modules and then to Motion Editor. An extremely feature-rich window will open. Following is the list of parameters regarding the Camera, position and other characteristics: <pre> -Camera Altitude: 7.0 -Camera Latitude: 36.075 -Camera Longitude: 112.133 -Focus Attitude: -2.0 -Focus Latitude: 36.275 -Focus Longitude: 112.386 -Camera : 512 → rendering window -Camera Y: 384 → rendering window -View Arc: 80 → View width in degrees -Sun Longitude: 172 -Sun Latitude: -0.9 -Haze Start: 3.8 -Haze Range: 78, 5 </pre> As soon as the values ​​shown in the relevant sliders have been modified, we will be ready to open the CamView window to observe the wireframe preview. Let's not consider all the controls that will appear. Well from the Motion Editor if you have selected Camera Altitude and open the CamView panel, you can change the height of the camera by holding down the right mouse button and moving the mouse up and down. To update the view, press the Terrain button in the adjacent window. As soon as you are convinced of the position, confirm again with Keep. You can carry out the same work with the other functions of the camera, such as Focus Altitude... Let's now see the next positioning step on the Camera map, but let's leave the CamView preview window open while we go to Modules to open the window at the same time MapView. We will thus be able to take advantage of the view from the other together with a subjective one. From the MapView window, select with the left mouse button and while it is pressed, move the Camera as desired. To update the subjective preview, always click on Terrain. While with the same procedure you can intervene on the direction of the camera lens, by selecting the cross and with the left button pressed you can choose the desired view. So with the pressure of Terrain I update the Preview. Possibly can enlarge or reduce the Map View using the Zoom button, for greater precision. Also write that the circle around the cameras indicates the beginning of the haze, there are two types (haze and fog) linked to the altitude. Would also add that the camera height is editable through the Motion Editor panel. The sun Let's see that changing the position of the sun from the Motion Editor. Press the SUN button at the bottom right and set the time and the date. Longitude and latitude are automatically obtained by the program. Always open the View Arc command from the Motion Editor panel, an item present in the Parameter List box. Once again confirm everything with Keep and then save again. Animation The animation part is not left-back and also occupies a window. The settings possibilities are enormous. A time line with dragging functions ("slide", "drag"...) comparable to that of LightWave completes this window. A small window is available for positioning the stars as a function of a date, in order to vary the seasons and their various events (and yes...). At the bottom of the "Motion-Editor", a "cam-view" function will give you access to a control panel. Different preview modes are possible. The rendering is also accessible through a window. No less than nine pages compose it. At this level, you will be able to determine the backup name of your images ("path"), the type of texture to be calculated, the resolution of the images, activate or deactivate functions such as the depth buffer ("zbuffer"), the blur, the background image, etc. Once all these parameters have been set, all you have to do is click on the "Render" button. For rendering go to Modules and then Render. Select the resolution, then under IMA select the name of the image. Move to FRA and indicate the level of fractal detail which of 4 is quite good. Then Keep to confirm and then reopen the window, pressing Render you will see the result. The image will be opened with any viewing program. Strengths: * Multi-window. * Quality of rendering. * Accuracy. * Opening, preview and rendering on CyberGraphX screen. * Extract / Convert Interp DEM, Import DLG, DXF, WDB and export LW map 3d formats * The "zbuffer" function. Weaknesses: * No OpenGL management * Calculation time. * No network computing tool. ====Writing CD / DVD - Frying Pan==== Can be backup DVDs (4GB ISO size limit due to use of FileInfoBlock), create audio cds from mp3's, and put .iso files on discs If using for the first time - click Drive button and Device set to ata.device and unit to 0 (zero) Click Tracks Button - Drive 1 - Create New Disc or Import Existing Disc Image (iso bin/cue etc.) - Session File open cue file If you're making a data cd, with files and drawers from your hard drive, you should be using the ISO Builder.. which is the MUI page on the left. ("Data/Audio Tracks" is on the right). You should use the "Data/Audio tracks" page if you want to create music cds with AIFF/WAV/MP3 files, or if you download an .iso file, and you want to put it on a cd. Click WRITE Button - set write speed - click on long Write button Examples Easiest way would be to burn a DATA CD, simply go to "Tracks" page "ISO Builder" and "ADD" everything you need to burn. On the "Write" page i have "Masterize Disc (DAO)", "Close Disc" and "Eject after Write" set. One must not "Blank disc before write" if one uses a CDR AUDIO CD from MP3's are as easy but tricky to deal with. FP only understands one MP3 format, Layer II, everything else will just create empty tracks Burning bootable CD's works only with .iso files. Go to "Tracks" page and "Data/Audio Tracks" and add the .iso ====odf==== Every ODF file is a collection of several subdocuments within a package (ZIP file), each of which stores part of the complete document. * content.xml – Document content and automatic styles used in the content. * styles.xml – Styles used in the document content and automatic styles used in the styles themselves. * meta.xml – Document meta information, such as the author or the time of the last save action. * settings.xml – Application-specific settings, such as the window size or printer information. To read document follow these steps: * Extracting .ods file. * Getting content.xml file (which contains sheets data). * Creating XmlDocument object from content.xml file. * Creating DataSet (that represent Spreadsheet file). * With XmlDocument select “table:table” elements, and then create adequate DataTables. * Parse child’s of “table:table” element and fill DataTables with those data. * At the end, return DataSet and show it in application’s interface. To write document follow these steps: * Extracting template.ods file (.ods file that we use as template). * Getting content.xml file. * Creating XmlDocument object from content.xml file. * Erasing all “table:table” elements from the content.xml file. * Reading data from our DataSet and composing adequate “table:table” elements. * Adding “table:table” elements to content.xml file. * Zipping that file as new .ods file. XLS file format The XLS file format contains streams, substreams, and records. These sheet substreams include worksheets, macro sheets, chart sheets, dialog sheets, and VBA module sheets. All the records in an XLS document start with a 2-byte unsigned integer to specify Record Type (rt), and another for Count of Bytes (cb). A record cannot exceed 8224 bytes. If larger than the rest is stored in one or more continue records. * Workbook stream **Globals substream ***BoundSheet8 record - info for Worksheet substream i.e. name, location, type, and visibility. (4bytes the lbPlyPos FilePointer, specifies the position in the Workbook stream where the sheet substream starts) **Worksheet substream (sheet) - Cell Table - Row record - Cells (2byte=row 2byte=column 2byte=XF format) ***Blank cell record ***RK cell record 32-bit number. ***BoolErr cell record (2-byte Bes structure that may be either a Boolean value or an error code) ***Number cell record (64-bit floating-point number) ***LabelSst cell record (4-byte integer that specifies a string in the Shared Strings Table (SST). Specifically, the integer corresponds to the array index in the RGB field of the SST) ***Formula cell record (FormulaValue structure in the 8 bytes that follow the cell structure. The next 6 bytes can be ignored, and the rest of the record is a CellParsedFormula structure that contains the formula itself) ***MulBlank record (first 2 bytes give the row, and the next 2 bytes give the column that the series of blanks starts at. Next, a variable length array of cell structures follows to store formatting information, and the last 2 bytes show what column the series of blanks ends on) ***MulRK record ***Shared String Table (SST) contains all of the string values in the workbook. ACCRINT(), ACCRINTM(), AMORDEGRC(), AMORLINC(), COUPDAYBS(), COUPDAYS(), COUPDAYSNC(), COUPNCD(), COUPNUM(), COUPPCD(), CUMIPMT(), CUMPRINC(), DB(), DDB(), DISC(), DOLLARDE(), DOLLARFR(), DURATION(), EFFECT(), FV(), FVSCHEDULE(), INTRATE(), IPMT(), IRR(), ISPMT(), MDURATION(), MIRR(), NOMINAL(), NPER(), NPV(), ODDFPRICE(), ODDFYIELD(), ODDLPRICE(), ODDLYIELD(), PMT(), PPMT(), PRICE(), PRICEDISC(), PRICEMAT(), PV(), RATE(), RECEIVED(), SLN(), SYD(), TBILLEQ(), TBILLPRICE(), TBILLYIELD(), VDB(), XIRR(), XNPV(), YIELD(), YIELDDISC(), YIELDMAT(), <pre> </pre> <pre> </pre> <pre> </pre> {{BookCat}} io9w8avku0tul1d6wt0st0ub99eb5pp 4637083 4637046 2026-05-22T19:40:04Z Jeff1138 301139 4637083 wikitext text/x-wiki ==Introduction== [[#Graphical Image Editing Art]] [[#Office Application]] [[#Audio]] [[#Misc Application]] [[#Games & Emulation]] [[#Application Guides]] [[#top|...to the top]] [[#top|...to the top]] Most apps can be opened on the Workbench (aka publicscreen pubscreen) which is the default display option but can offer a custom one set to your configurations (aka custom screen mode promotion). These custom ones tend to stack so the possible use of A-M/A-N method of switching between full screens and the ability to pull down screens as well If you are interested in creating or porting new software, see [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Aros/Developer/Docs here] {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Internet Applications !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1 (68k) !width:10%;|Hyperion OS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Web Online Browser [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=network/browser Odyssey 2.0], [https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1175&highlight=odyssey&rowstart=100 Odyssey 3.0], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://aminet.net/comm/www Amelinium], [https://blog.alb42.de/programs/amifox/ amifox] with [https://github.com/alb42/wrp wrp server], IBrowse*, Voyager*, [https://github.com/amigazen/aweb3/ AWeb 3.6 src], [https://github.com/matjam/aweb AWeb Src], 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Magellan, MarranoFTP, |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/AmiFTP AmiFTP], AmiTradeCenter, ncFTP, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=5 Pftp], [http://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/AmiFTP-1.935-OS4 AmiFTP], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->WYSIWYG Web Site Editor |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Internet Radio Streaming Audio [http://www.gnu.org/software/gnump3d/ gnump3d], [http://www.icecast.org/ Icecast2] Server (Broadcast) and Client (Listen), [ mpd], [http://darkice.sourceforge.net/ DarkIce], [http://www.dyne.org/software/muse/ Muse], |<!--AROS-->Mplayer (Icecast Client only), |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://github.com/sandlbn/TuneFinder TuneFinder C Src], [https://github.com/sandlbn/TuneFinderMUI TuneFinderMUI], [http://amigazeux.net/anr/ AmiNetRadio], [], [], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.tunenet.co.uk/ Tunenet], |<!--MorphOS-->Mplayer, AmiNetRadio, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->VoIP (Voice over IP) with SIP Client (Session Initiation Protocol) or Asterisk IAX2 Clients Softphone (skype like) |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->AmiPhone with Speak Freely, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Weather Forecast |<!--AROS-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/ WeatherBar], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/workbench AWeather], [] |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://amigazeux.net/wetter/ Wetter], [https://github.com/emartisoft/AmiWeatherForecasts AmiWeatherForecasts src], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://os4depot.net/?function=showfile&file=utility/workbench/flipclock.lha FlipClock], |<!--MorphOS-->[http://amigazeux.net/wetter/ Wetter], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Street Road Maps Route Planning GPS Tracking |<!--AROS-->[https://blog.alb42.de/programs/muimapparium/ MuiMapparium] [https://build.alb42.de/ Build of MuiMapp versions], |<!--Amiga OS-->AmiAtlas*, UKRoutePlus*, [http://blog.alb42.de/ AmOSM], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[http://blog.alb42.de/programs/mapparium/ Mapparium], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Clock and Date setting from the internet (either ntp or websites) [https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ World Clock], [http://www.time.gov/ NIST], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=network/misc ntpsync], |<!--Amiga OS-->ntpsync |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Newsgroups |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://newscoaster.sourceforge.net/ Newscoaster], [https://github.com/jens-maus/newsrog NewsRog], [ WorldNews], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Internet Video Applications !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1 (68k) !width:10%;|Hyperion OS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->IP-based video production workflows with High Dynamic Range (HDR), 10-bit color collaborative NDI, |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Blogging like Lemmy or kbin |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->VR face recognition for Vtubers |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->VR chatting Live 2D models with Cubism type editor <pre> Model data (cmo3) Basic motions (can3) Background image (png) Set of files for embedding (runtime folder) • Model data (moc3) • Motion data (motion3.json) • Model settings file (model3.json) • Physics settings file (physics3.json) • Display auxiliary file (cdi3.json) </pre> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->VR chatting chatters .VRML models - standardized 3D file format for VR avatars |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->V-tubers V-tubing like Vseeface with Openseeface tracker or Vpuppr (virtual puppet project) for 2d / 3d art models rigging rigged LIV |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. ==Graphical Image Editing Art== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Image Editing !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1(68k) !width:10%;|Hyperion OS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Pixel Raster Artwork [https://github.com/LibreSprite/LibreSprite LibreSprite based on GPL aseprite], [https://github.com/abetusk/hsvhero hsvhero], [], |<!--AROS-->[https://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/ZunePaint/ ZunePaint], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit LunaPaint], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit GrafX2], [ LodePaint needs OpenGL], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.amigaforever.com/classic/download.html PPaint], GrafX2, [https://github.com/grovdata/Amiga_Sources/blob/master/software.md DeluxePaint], [http://www.amiforce.de/perfectpaint/perfectpaint.php PerfectPaint], Zoetrope, Brilliance2*, |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit LodePaint], GrafX2, |<!--MorphOS-->Sketch, Pixel*, GrafX2, [http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=3 LunaPaint] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Image viewing |<!--AROS-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/ ZuneView], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/viewer LookHere], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/viewer LoView], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/viewer PicShow] , [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=31400&forum=32&start=80&viewmode=flat&order=0#583458 Picture Album], |<!--Amiga OS-->PicShow, PicView, Photoalbum, |<!--AmigaOS4-->WarpView, PicShow, flPhoto, Thumbs, [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=31400&forum=32&start=80&viewmode=flat&order=0#583458 Picture Album], |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=3 ShowGirls], [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=31400&forum=32&start=80&viewmode=flat&order=0#583458 Picture Album] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Photography retouching / Image Manipulation like Photoshop(tm) |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit RNOEffects], [https://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/ ZunePaint], [http://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/ ZuneView], |<!--Amiga OS-->[ Tecsoft Video Paint aka TVPaint], Photogenics*, ArtEffect*, ImageFX*, XiPaint, fxPaint, ImageMasterRT, Opalpaint, |<!--AmigaOS4-->WarpView, flPhoto, [http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit Photocrop] |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=3 ShowGirls], ImageFX*, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Manage RAW picture folder galleries like Darktable, RAWtherapy, etc |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Graphic Format Converter - ICC profile support sRGB, Adobe RGB, XYZ and linear RGB |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->GraphicsConverter, ImageStudio, [http://www.coplabs.org/artpro.html ArtPro] |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Thumbnail Generator [], |<!--AROS-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/ ZuneView], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/shell Thumbnail Generator] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Icon Editor |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/iconedit Archives], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/workbench Icon Toolbox], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/iconedit IconEditor] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->2D Pixel Art Animation |<!--AROS-->Lunapaint |<!--Amiga OS-->PPaint, AnimatED, Scala*, GoldDisk MovieSetter*, Walt Disney's Animation Studio*, ProDAD*, [https://github.com/historicalsource/DeluxePaint DeluxePaint src], Brilliance |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=3 Titler] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->2D SVG based MovieSetter type |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->MovieSetter*, Fantavision* |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Morphing |<!--AROS-->[ GLMorph] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->2D Cad (qcad->LibreCAD, etc.) |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->Xcad, MaxonCAD |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->3D Cad like FreeCad, BRL-CAD, OpenSCAD, AvoCADo, etc. using dxf, obj (vertices), blend, |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->XCad3d*, DynaCADD*, Cycas, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->3D Model Rendering of glft (json) gbl (png jpg), usdz (USD files with materials, textures, and animations), FBX Filmbox is a proprietary Autodesk format, |<!--AROS-->POV-Ray |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.discreetfx.com./amigaproducts.html CINEMA 4D]*, POV-Ray, Lightwave3D*, Real3D*, Caligari24*, Reflections/Monzoom*, [https://github.com/privatosan/RayStorm Raystorm src], Tornado 3D |<!--AmigaOS4-->Blender, POV-Ray, Yafray |<!--MorphOS-->Blender, POV-Ray, Yafray |- |<!--Sub Menu-->3D Format Converter [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=graphics/convert/ivcon.lha IVCon] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Screen grabbing display |<!--AROS-->[ Screengrabber], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/misc snapit], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=video/record screen recorder], [] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Grab graphics music from apps [https://github.com/Malvineous/ripper6 ripper6], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. [[#top|...to the top]] ==Office Application== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Office !width:10%;|AROS (x86) !width:10%;|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_software Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1] (68k) !width:10%;|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AmigaOS_4 Hyperion OS4] (PPC) !width:10%;|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MorphOS MorphOS] (PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Word-processing |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=office/wordprocessing Cinnamon Writer], [https://finalwriter.godaddysites.com/ Final Writer 7*], [https://github.com/sodero/MUI-Vim/releases MUI-Vim], [ ], |<!--AmigaOS-->[ Softwood FinalCopy II*], Haage AmigaWriter*, Digita WordWorth*, Softwood FinalWriter*, Micro-Systems Excellence 3*, Arnor Protext, Rashumon, [ InterWord], [ KindWords], [WordPerfect], [ New Horizons Flow], [ CygnusEd Pro], [ Micro-systems Scribble], |<!--AmigaOS4-->AbiWord, [ CinnamonWriter] |<!--MorphOS-->[ Cinnamon Writer], [http://www.meta-morphos.org/viewtopic.php?topic=1246&forum=53 scriba], [http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/index.php Papyrus Office], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Spreadsheets |<!--AROS-->[https://blog.alb42.de/programs/leu/ Leu], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=office/spreadsheet], |<!--AmigaOS-->[https://aminet.net/package/biz/spread/ignition-src Ignition Src 1.3], [MaxiPlan 500 Plus], [OXXI Plan/IT v2.0 Speadsheet], [ Superplan], [ Creative Developments TurboCalc], [ ProCalc], [ InterSpread], [Digita DGCalc], [ Gold Disk Advantage], [ Micro-systems Analyze!] |<!--AmigaOS4-->Gnumeric, [https://ignition-amiga.sourceforge.net/ Ignition], |<!--MorphOS-->[ ignition], [http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php Papyrus Office], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Presentations |<!--AROS-->[http://www.hollywoood-mal.com/ Hollywood]*, |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.hollywoood-mal.com/ Hollywood]*, MediaPoint, PointRider, Scala*, |<!--Amiga OS4-->[http://www.hollywoood-mal.com/ Hollywood]*, PointRider |<!--MorphOS-->[http://www.hollywoood-mal.com/ Hollywood]*, PointRider |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Databases |<!--AROS-->[http://sdb.freeforums.org/ SDB], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=office/database BeeBase], |<!--Amiga OS-->Precision Superbase 4 Pro*, Arnor Prodata*, BeeBase, Datastore, FinalData*, AmigaBase, Fiasco, Twist2*, [Digita DGBase], [], |<!--AmigaOS4-->BeeBase, SQLite, |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=6 BeeBase], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->PDF Viewing and editing digital signatures |<!--AROS-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/arospdf/ ArosPDF via splash], [https://github.com/wattoc/AROS-vpdf vpdf wip], |<!--Amiga OS-->APDF |<!--AmigaOS4-->AmiPDF |<!--MorphOS-->APDF, vPDF, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Printing |<!--AROS-->Postscript 3 laser printers and Ghostscript internal, [ GutenPrint], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.irseesoft.de/tp_what.htm TurboPrint]* |<!--AmigaOS4-->(some native drivers), |<!--MorphOS-->early TurboPrint included, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Note Taking markdown support like joplin, OneNote, EverNote Notes, xournalpp, etc |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Study and analyse, collect, organize, annotate, cite, and share |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->PIM Personal Information Manager - Day Diary Planner Calendar App |<!--AROS-->[ ], [ ], [ ], |<!--Amiga OS-->Digita Organiser*, On The Ball, Everyday Organiser, [ Contact Manager], |<!--AmigaOS4-->AOrganiser, |<!--MorphOS-->[http://polymere.free.fr/orga_en.html PolyOrga], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Accounting |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=office/misc ETB], LoanCalc, [ ], [ ], [ ], |[ Digita Home Accounts2], Accountant, Small Business Accounts, Account Master, [ Amigabok], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Project Management Research |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->SuperGantt, SuperPlan, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->System Wide Dictionary - multilingual [http://sourceforge.net/projects/babiloo/ Babiloo], [http://code.google.com/p/stardict-3/ StarDict], |<!--AROS-->[ ], |<!--AmigaOS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->System wide Thesaurus - multi lingual |<!--AROS-->[ ], |Kuma K-Roget*, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Sticky Desktop Notes (post it type) |<!--AROS-->[http://aminet.net/package/util/wb/amimemos.i386-aros AmiMemos], [https://aminet.net/package/util/wb/amimemos.src-aros AmiMemos Src], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://aminet.net/package/util/wb/StickIt-2.00 StickIt v2], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->DTP Desktop Publishing |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit RNOPublisher], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://pagestream.org/ Pagestream]*, Professional Pro Page*, Saxon Publisher, Pagesetter, PenPal, |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://pagestream.org/ Pagestream]* |<!--MorphOS-->[http://pagestream.org/ Pagestream]* |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Scanning |<!--AROS-->[ SCANdal], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->FxScan*, ScanQuix* |<!--AmigaOS4-->SCANdal (Sane) |<!--MorphOS-->SCANdal |- |<!--Sub Menu-->OCR |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/convert gOCR] |<!--AmigaOS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos-files.net/categories/office/text Tesseract] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Text Editing |<!--AROS-->Jano Editor (already installed as Editor), [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=development/edit EdiSyn], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/text/edit Annotate], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=development/edit Vim], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/text/edit FrexxEd] [https://github.com/vidarh/FrexxEd src], [ NoWinEd], |<!--Amiga OS-->Annotate, MicroGoldED/CubicIDE*, CygnusED*, Turbotext, Protext*, NoWinED, |<!--AmigaOS4-->Notepad, Annotate, CygnusED*, NoWinED, |<!--MorphOS-->MorphOS ED, NoWinED, GoldED/CubicIDE*, CygnusED*, Annotate, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Office Fonts [http://sourceforge.net/projects/fontforge/files/fontforge-source/ Font Designer] |<!--AROS-->[ ], [ ], |<!--Amiga OS-->TypeSmith*, SaxonScript (GetFont Adobe Type 1), |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Drawing Vector |<!--AROS-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/amifig/ ZuneFIG previously AmiFIG] |<!--Amiga OS-->Drawstudio*, ProVector*, ArtExpression*, Professional Draw*, AmiFIG, MetaView, [https://gitlab.com/amigasourcecodepreservation/designworks Design Works Src], [], |<!--AmigaOS4-->MindSpace, [http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit amifig], |<!--MorphOS-->SteamDraw, [http://aminet.net/package/gfx/edit/amifig amiFIG], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->video conferencing (jitsi) |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->source code hosting |<!--AROS-->Gitlab, |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Remote Desktop (server) |<!--AROS-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/VNC_Server ArosVNCServer], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://s.guillard.free.fr/AmiVNC/AmiVNC.htm AmiVNC], [http://dspach.free.fr/amiga/avnc/index.html AVNC] |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://s.guillard.free.fr/AmiVNC/AmiVNC.htm AmiVNC] |MorphVNC, vncserver |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Remote Desktop (client) |<!--AROS-->[https://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/VNC_Client/ ArosVNC], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=network/misc rdesktop], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://twinvnc.free.fr/index.php?menu=01&lang=eng TwinVNC], [http://dspach.free.fr/amiga/vva/index.html VVA], [http://www.hd-zone.com/ RDesktop] |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://twinvnc.free.fr/index.php?menu=01&lang=eng TwinVNC], [http://www.hd-zone.com/ RDesktop] |[http://twinvnc.free.fr/index.php?menu=01&lang=eng TwinVNC], [http://www.hd-zone.com/ RDesktop] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->notifications |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->Ranchero |<!--AmigaOS4-->Ringhio |<!--MorphOS-->MagicBeacon |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. [[#top|...to the top]] ==Audio== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Audio !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1(68k) !width:10%;|Hyperion OS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Playing playback Audio like MP3, [https://github.com/chrg127/gmplayer NSF], [https://github.com/kode54/lazyusf miniusf .usflib], [], etc |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=video/play Mplayer], [ HarmonyPlayer hp], [http://www.a500.org/downloads/audio/index.xhtml playcdda] CDs, [ WildMidi Player], [https://bszili.morphos.me/ UADE mod player], [], [RNOTunes ], [ mp3Player], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->AmiNetRadio, AmigaAmp, playOGG, |<!--AmigaOS4-->TuneNet, SimplePlay, AmigaAmp, TKPlayer |AmiNetRadio, Mplayer, Kaya, AmigaAmp |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Editing Audio |<!--AROS-->[ Audio Evolution 4] |<!--Amiga OS-->[ Samplitude Opus Key], [https://sourceforge.net/projects/hd-rec/ HD-Rec Src], [http://www.sonicpulse.de/eng/news.html SoundFX], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[https://sourceforge.net/projects/hd-rec/ HD-Rec], AmiSoundED, [http://os4depot.net/?function=showfile&file=audio/record/audioevolution4.lha Audio Evolution 4] |[http://www.hd-rec.de/HD-Rec/index.php?site=home HD-Rec], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Editing Tracker Music |<!--AROS-->[https://github.com/hitchhikr/protrekkr Protrekkr], [ Schism Tracker], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/tracker MilkyTracker], [http://www.hivelytracker.com/ HivelyTracker], [ Radium in AROS already], [http://www.a500.org/downloads/development/index.xhtml libMikMod], |<!--Amiga OS-->MilkyTracker, HivelyTracker, DigiBooster, Octamed SoundStudio, |<!--AmigaOS4-->MilkyTracker, HivelyTracker, GoatTracker |MilkyTracker, GoatTracker, DigiBooster, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Editing Music [], [https://github.com/kmatheussen/camd CAMD] and/or staves and notes manuscript |<!--AROS-->[http://bnp.hansfaust.de/ Bars and Pipes for AROS], [ Audio Evolution], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://bnp.hansfaust.de/ Bars'n'Pipes], MusicX* David "Talin" Joiner & Craig Weeks (for Notator-X), Deluxe Music Construction 2*, [https://github.com/timoinutilis/midi-sequencer-amigaos Horny c Src], HD-Rec, [https://aminet.net/package/mus/midi/dominatorV1_51 Dominator], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[https://sourceforge.net/p/hd-rec/code/HEAD/tree/ HD-Rec Src], Rockbeat, [http://bnp.hansfaust.de/download.html Bars'n'Pipes], [http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/edit Horny], Audio Evolution 4, |<!--MorphOS-->Bars'n'Pipes, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Sound Sampling |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/record Audio Evolution 4], [http://www.imica.net/SitePortalPage.aspx?siteid=1&did=162 Quick Record], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/misc SOX to get AIFF 16bit files], [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/tree/master/workbench/tools/AHIRecord AHIRecord], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://aminet.net/package/mus/edit/AudioEvolution3_src Audio Evolution 3 c src], [ Samplitude-MS Opus Key], Audiomaster IV*, |<!--AmigaOS4-->[https://github.com/timoinutilis/phonolith-amigaos phonolith c src], HD-Rec, Audio Evolution 4, |<!--MorphOS-->[https://sourceforge.net/p/hd-rec/code/HEAD/tree/ HD-Rec Src], Audio Evolution 4, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Live Looping or Audio Misc - Groovebox like |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->CD/DVD burn |[https://code.google.com/p/amiga-fryingpan/ FryingPan], |<!--Amiga OS-->FryingPan, [http://www.estamos.de/makecd/#CurrentVersion MakeCD], |<!--AmigaOS4-->FryingPan, AmiDVD, |[http://www.amiga.org/forums/printthread.php?t=58736 FryingPan], Jalopeano, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->CD/DVD audio rip |Lame, [http://www.imica.net/SitePortalPage.aspx?siteid=1&cfid=0&did=167 Quick CDrip], |<!--Amiga OS-->Lame, |<!--AmigaOS4-->Lame, |Lame, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->MP3 v1 and v2 Tagger |<!--AROS-->id3ren (v1), [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/edit mp3info], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> | |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Audio Convert |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/misc Sox], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://aminet.net/package/mus/misc/SoundBox SoundBox], [http://aminet.net/package/mus/misc/SoundBoxKey SoundBox Key], [http://aminet.net/package/mus/edit/SampleE SampleE], sox |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->DJ mixing jamming |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Radio Automation Software [http://www.rivendellaudio.org/ Rivendell], [http://code.campware.org/projects/livesupport/report/3 Campware LiveSupport], [http://www.sourcefabric.org/en/airtime/ SourceFabric AirTime], [http://www.ohloh.net/p/mediabox404 MediaBox404], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Speakers Audio Sonos Mains AC networked wired controlled *2005 ZP100 with ZP80 *2008 Zoneplayer ZP120 (multi-room wireless amp) ZP90 receiver only with CR100 controller, *2009 ZonePlayer S5, *2010 BR100 wireless Bridge (no support), *2011 Play:3 *2013 Bridge (no support), Play:1, *2016 Arc, Play:1, *Beam (Gen 2), Playbar, Ray, Era 100, Era 300, Roam, Move 2, *Sub (Gen 3), Sub Mini, Five, Amp S2 |<!--AROS-->SonosController |<!--Amiga OS-->SonosController |<!--AmigaOS4-->SonosController |<!--MorphOS-->SonosController |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Smart Speakers |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. [[#top|...to the top]] ==Video Creativity and Production== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Video !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1(68k) !width:10%;|Hyperion OS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Playing Video |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=video/play Mplayer VAMP], [http://www.a500.org/downloads/video/index.xhtml CDXL player], [http://www.a500.org/downloads/video/index.xhtml IffAnimPlay], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->Frogger*, AMP2, MPlayer, RiVA*, MooViD*, |<!--AmigaOS4-->DvPlayer, MPlayer |<!--MorphOS-->MPlayer, Frogger, AMP2, VLC |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Streaming Video and game streaming like OBS studio, Parsec, etc |<!--AROS-->Mplayer, |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->Mplayer, Gnash, Tubexx |<!--MorphOS-->Mplayer, OWB, Tubexx |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Playing DVD |<!--AROS-->[http://a-mc.biz/ AMC]*, Mplayer |<!--Amiga OS-->AMP2, Frogger |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://a-mc.biz/ AMC]*, DvPlayer*, AMP2, |<!--MorphOS-->Mplayer |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Screen Recording |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=video/record Screenrecorder], [ ], [ ], [ ], [ ], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->Screenrecorder, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Create and Edit Individual Video NLE |<!--AROS-->[ Mencoder], [ Quick Videos], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit AVIbuild], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/misc FrameBuild], FFMPEG, |<!--Amiga OS-->[ MainConcept Mainactor Broadcast*], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_Toaster Video Toaster*], MacroSystem MovieShop 4.3*, proDAD Adorage*, [ IOSpirit VHI studio]*, [Gold Disk ShowMaker], [], |<!--AmigaOS4-->FFMpeg/GUI |<!--MorphOS-->Blender, Mencoder, FFmpeg |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Subtitle editor |<!--AROS-->[https://aminet.net/package/text/edit/Slarti_Arosx86ABIv0 Slarti_Arosx86ABIv0], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. [[#top|...to the top]] ==Misc Application== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Misc Application !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1 (68k) !width:10%;|Hyperion OS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->File Management |<!--AROS-->DOpus4, [https://github.com/BlitterStudio/dopus5 DOpus Magellan aka DOpus 5], [ Scalos], [ ], |<!--Amiga OS-->DOpus2, DOpus 4, [http://sourceforge.net/projects/dopus5allamigas/files/?source=navbar DOpus Magellan DOpus5], ClassAction, FileMaster, [http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=4897 DirWork 2]*, [https://github.com/RudolphRiedel/DiskMaster2 DiskMaster2 src], |<!--AmigaOS4-->DOpus4, DOpus5, Filer, AmiDisk |<!--MorphOS-->DOpus4, DOpus5 |- |<!--Sub Menu-->File Verification / Repair |<!--AROS-->md5 (works in linux compiling shell), [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/filetool workpar2] (PAR2), [http://zakalwe.fi/~shd/foss/cksfv/files/ compile cksfv from website], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->Par2, |- |App Installer |<!--AROS-->[], [ InstallerNG], |<!--Amiga OS-->InstallerNG, Grunch, |<!--AmigaOS4-->Jack |<!--MorphOS-->Jack |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Compression archiver [https://github.com/FS-make-simple/paq9a paq9a], [], |<!--AROS-->XAD system is a toolkit designed for handling various file and disk archiver |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->C/C++ IDE |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/text/edit FrexxEd], [https://github.com/vidarh/FrexxEd FrexxEd src], Annotate, Murks, |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://devplex.awardspace.biz/cubic/index.html Cubic IDE]*, Annotate, |<!--AmigaOS4-->CodeBench , [https://gitlab.com/boemann/codecraft CodeCraft], |<!--MorphOS-->[http://devplex.awardspace.biz/cubic/index.html Cubic IDE]*, Anontate, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Computer Languages Translation [https://tetracorp.github.io/guide/reverse-engineering-amiga.html ], [https://amigasourcecodepreservation.gitlab.io/amiga-assembler-insider-guide/ ], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://bitbucket.org/rhinoid/convert68000toc/src/main/ convert m68k seka asm-one to c], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Gui Creators |<!--AROS-->[ MuiBuilder], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[ MuiBuilder], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Catalog .cd .ct Editors |<!--AROS-->FlexCat |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.geit.de/deu_simplecat.html SimpleCat], FlexCat |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://aminet.net/package/dev/misc/simplecat SimpleCat], FlexCat |[http://www.geit.de/deu_simplecat.html SimpleCat], FlexCat |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Binary Hexadecimal Editor |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=development/edit Zaphod], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Repository |<!--AROS-->[ Git] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->Git |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Filesystem Backup |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Filesystem Repair |<!--AROS-->ArSFSDoctor, |<!--Amiga OS--> Quarterback Tools, [ ], [ ], [ ], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Multiple File renaming |<!--AROS-->DOpus 4 or 5, |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Anti Virus |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->VChecker, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Random Wallpaper Desktop changer [ DOpus5], [ Scalos], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Alarm Clock, Timer, Stopwatch, Countdown |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/workbench DClock], [http://aminet.net/util/time/AlarmClockAROS.lha AlarmClock], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Digital Signage |<!--AROS-->Hollywood, Hollywood Designer |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Fortune Cookie Quotes Sayings |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/misc AFortune], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Languages |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->Fun School, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Mathematics ([http://www-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/~parisse/install_en.html Xcas], etc.), |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/scientific mathX] |<!--Amiga OS-->Maple V, mathX, Fun School, GCSE Maths, [ ], [ ], [ ], |<!--AmigaOS4-->Yacas |<!--MorphOS-->Yacas |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. ==Misc Application 2== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Misc Application !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1(68k) !width:10%;|Hyperion OS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->System |<!--AROS-->[ SysExplorer], [ SysMon], [ Scout], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->OSK On Screen Keyboard |<!--AROS-->[], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://aminet.net/util/wb/OSK.lha OSK] |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Screen Magnifier Magnifying Glass Magnification |<!--AROS-->[http://www.onyxsoft.se/files/zoomit.lha ZoomIT], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Comic Book CBR CBZ format reader viewer |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/viewer comics], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/viewer comicon], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Ebook Reader |<!--AROS-->[https://blog.alb42.de/programs/#legadon Legadon EPUB],[] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Ebook Converter |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Text to Speech tts [https://github.com/JonathanFly/bark-installer Bark], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/misc flite], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.text2speech.com translator], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=search&tool=simple FLite] |<!--MorphOS-->[http://se.aminet.net/pub/aminet/mus/misc/ FLite] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Speech Voice Recognition Dictation - [http://sourceforge.net/projects/cmusphinx/files/ CMU Sphinx], [http://julius.sourceforge.jp/en_index.php?q=en/index.html Julius], [http://www.isip.piconepress.com/projects/speech/index.html ISIP], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Speech Voice Changer [], [], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Fractals |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->ZoneXplorer, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Landscape Rendering |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/raytrace WCS World Construction Set], |<!--Amiga OS-->[ Vista Pro], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Construction_Set World Construction Set] |<!--AmigaOS4-->[ WCS World Construction Set], |<!--MorphOS-->[ WCS World Construction Set], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Astronomy [https://sourceforge.net/projects/skychart/ skychart freepascal], [], [], |<!--AROS-->[ Digital Almanac (ABIv0 only)], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://aminet.net/search?query=planetarium Aminet search], [http://aminet.net/misc/sci/DA3V56ISO.zip Digital Almanac], [https://aminet.net/package/misc/sci/da3sourceV58 Src c V58], [ Galileo renamed to Distant Suns]*, [], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/digital-almanac/ Digital Almanac], Distant Suns*, [http://www.digitaluniverse.org.uk/ Digital Universe]*, |<!--MorphOS-->[http://www.aminet.net/misc/sci/da3.lha Digital Almanac], [http://www.aminet.net/package/misc/sci/da3-mos-src Src c V56], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->PCB design |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->[ ], [ ], [ ], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Genealogy History Family Tree Ancestry Records (FreeBMD, FreeREG, and FreeCEN file formats or GEDCOM GenTree) |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> [ Origins], [ Your Family Tree], [ ], [ ], [ ], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Screen Display Blanker screensaver |<!--AROS-->Blanker Commodity (built in), [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/screenblanker GarshneBlanker], [http://sourceforge.net/projects/gblanker/ GBlanker Src], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->MultiCX, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->ModernArt Blanker, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Maths Graph Function Plotting |<!--AROS-->[https://blog.alb42.de/programs/#MUIPlot MUIPlot], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->App Utility Launcher Dock toolbar |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/docky BoingBar], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://github.com/adkennan/DockBot Dockbot], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->3D Printer [https://github.com/OrcaSlicer/OrcaSlicer OrcaSlicer] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->BASIC Computer Language |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=development/language Basic4SDL], [ Ace Basic], [ X-AMOS], [SDLBasic], [ Alvyn], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.amiforce.de/main.php Amiblitz 3], [http://amos.condor.serverpro3.com/AmosProManual/contents/c1.html Amos Pro], [http://aminet.net/package/dev/basic/ace24dist ACE Basic], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->sdlBasic |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Astrology [https://sourceforge.net/projects/skylendar/ skylendar], [https://github.com/CruiserOne/Astrolog Astrolog], [https://www.astrolog.org/astrolog/astfile.htm Astrology alt site], [https://saravali.github.io/download.html Maitreya], [https://github.com/alamahant/Asteria Asteria], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. ==Games & Emulation== Some emulators/games require OpenGL to function and to adjust ahi prefs channels, frequency and unit0 and unit1 and [http://aros.sourceforge.net/documentation/users/shell/changetaskpri.php changetaskpri -1] Rom patching https://www.marcrobledo.com/RomPatcher.js/ https://www.romhacking.net/patch/ (ips, ups, bps, etc) and this other site supports the latter formats https://hack64.net/tools/patcher.php Free public domain roms for use with emulators can be found [http://www.pdroms.de/ here] as most of the rest are covered by copyright rules. If you like to read about old games see [http://retrogamingtimes.com/ here] and [http://www.armchairarcade.com/neo/ here] and a [http://www.vintagecomputing.com/ blog] about old computers. Possibly some of the [http://www.answers.com/topic/list-of-best-selling-computer-and-video-games best selling] of all time. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_computer_system_emulators Wiki] with emulated systems list. [https://archive.gamehistory.org/ Archive of VGHF], [https://library.gamehistory.org/ Video Game History Foundation Library search] {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:10%;|Games [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer Emulation] !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|AmigaOS3(68k) !width:10%;|AmigaOS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Amstrad CPC |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer], [ Caprice32 (OpenGL & pure SDL)], [ Arnold], [https://retroshowcase.gr/cpcbox-master/], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer] |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=2], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Apple2 and 2GS |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Arcade |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem Mame], [ SI Emu (ABIv0 only)], |<!--Amiga OS-->Mame, |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem xmame], amiarcadia, |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=2 Mame], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Atari 2600 [], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem Stella], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Atari 5200 [https://github.com/wavemotion-dave/A5200DS A5200DS], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Atari 7800 |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Atari 400 800 130XL [https://github.com/wavemotion-dave/A8DS A8DS], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer Atari800], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Atari Lynx |<!--AROS-->[http://myfreefilehosting.com/f/6366e11bdf_1.93MB Handy (ABIv0 only)], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Atari Jaguar |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Bandai Wonderswan |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation BBC Micro and Acorn Electron [http://beehttps://bem-unix.bbcmicro.com/download.html BeebEm], [http://b-em.bbcmicro.com/ B-Em], [http://elkulator.acornelectron.co.uk/ Elkulator], [http://electrem.emuunlim.com/ ElectrEm], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Dragon 32 and Tandy CoCo [http://www.6809.org.uk/xroar/ xroar], [], |<!--AROS-->[], [], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Commodore C16 Plus4 |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Commodore C64 |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer Vice (ABIv0 only)], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->Frodo, |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem viceplus], |<!--MorphOS-->Vice, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Commodore Amiga |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer Janus UAE], Emumiga, |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer UAE], |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=2 UAE], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Japanese MSX MSX2 |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Mattel Intelivision |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Mattel Colecovision and Adam |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Milton Bradley (MB) Vectrex [ Vectrex OpenGL], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation PICO8 Pico-8 fantasy video game console [https://github.com/egordorichev/pemsa-sdl/ pemsa-sdl], [https://github.com/jtothebell/fake-08 fake-08], [https://github.com/Epicpkmn11/fake-08/tree/wip fake-08 fork], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Nintendo Gameboy |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem vba no sound], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem vba] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Nintendo NES |<!--AROS-->[ EmiNES], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem Fceu], [https://github.com/takahirox/nes-js?tab=readme-ov-file nes-js], [https://github.com/bfirsh/jsnes jsnes], [https://github.com/angelo-wf/NesJs NesJs], |<!--Amiga OS-->AmiNES, [http://www.dridus.com/~nyef/darcnes/ darcNES], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem amines] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Nintendo SNES |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem Zsnes], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem warpsnes] |<!--MorphOS-->[http://fabportnawak.free.fr/snes/ Snes9x], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Nintendo N64 *HLE and plugins [ mupen64], [https://github.com/ares-emulator/ares ares], [https://github.com/N64Recomp/N64Recomp N64Recomp], [https://github.com/rt64/rt64 rt64], [https://github.com/simple64/simple64 Simple64], *LLE [], |<!--AROS-->[http://code.google.com/p/mupen64plus/ Mupen64+], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://code.google.com/p/mupen64plus/ Mupen64+], [http://aminet.net/package/misc/emu/tr-981125_src TR64], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[ Nintendo Gamecube Wii] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[ Nintendo Wii U] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[https://github.com/yuzu-emu Nintendo Switch] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation NEC PC Engine |<!--AROS-->[], [], [https://github.com/yhzmr442/jspce js-pce], |[http://www.hugo.fr.fm/ Hugo], [http://mednafen.sourceforge.net/ Mednafen], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem tgemu] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sega Master System (SMS) |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem Dega], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem sms], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem osmose] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sega Genesis/Megadrive |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem gp no sound], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem DGen], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://code.google.com/p/genplus-gx/ Genplus], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem genesisplus] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sega Saturn *HLE [https://mednafen.github.io/ mednafen], [http://yabause.org/ yabause], [], *LLE [], [], |<!--AROS-->? |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://yabause.org/ Yabause], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sega Dreamcast *HLE [https://github.com/flyinghead/flycast flycast], [https://code.google.com/archive/p/nulldc/downloads NullDC], *LLE [], [], |<!--AROS-->? |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sinclair ZX80 and ZX81 |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer], [], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sinclair Spectrum |[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer Fuse (crackly sound)], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer SimCoupe], [ FBZX slow], [https://jsspeccy.zxdemo.org/ jsspeccy], [http://torinak.com/qaop/games qaop], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.lasernet.plus.com/ Asp], [http://www.zophar.net/sinclair.html Speculator], [http://www.worldofspectrum.org/x128/index.html X128], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sinclair QL |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://aminet.net/package/misc/emu/QDOS4amiga1 QDOS4amiga] |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation SNK NeoGeo Pocket |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem gngeo], NeoPop, |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sony PlayStation |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem FPSE], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem FPSE] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[ Sony PS2] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[ Sony PS3] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[https://vita3k.org/ Sony Vita] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[https://github.com/shadps4-emu/shadPS4 PS4] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tangerine_Computer_Systems Tangerine] Oric and Atmos |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer Oricutron] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem Oricutron] |<!--MorphOS-->[http://aminet.net/package/misc/emu/oricutron Oricutron] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation TI 99/4 99/4A [https://github.com/wavemotion-dave/DS994a DS994a], [], [https://js99er.net/#/ js99er], [], [http://aminet.net/package/misc/emu/TI4Amiga TI4Amiga], [http://aminet.net/package/misc/emu/TI4Amiga_src TI4Amiga src in c], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation HP 38G 40GS 48 49G/50G Graphing Calculators |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation TI 58 83 84 85 86 - 89 92 Graphing Calculators |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:10%;|Games [https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/ General] !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|AmigaOS3(68k) !width:10%;|AmigaOS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Games [https://www.trackawesomelist.com/michelpereira/awesome-open-source-games/ Open Source and others] || AROS || Amiga OS || Amiga OS4 || Morphos |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Action like [https://github.com/BSzili/OpenLara/tree/amiga/src source of openlara SDL2], [https://github.com/opentomb/OpenTomb opentomb], [https://github.com/LostArtefacts/TRX TRX formerly Tomb1Main], [https://github.com/TombEngine TombEngine], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/action Thrust], [https://github.com/fragglet/sdl-sopwith sdl sopwith], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/action], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/action BOH], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Adventure like [http://dotg.sourceforge.net/ DMJ], [https://github.com/kromenak/gengine Gabriel Knight 3], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/adventure], [https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=browse&cat=emulation/misc ScummVM], [http://www.toolness.com/wp/category/interactive-fiction/ Infocom], [http://www.accardi-by-the-sea.org/ Zork Online]. [http://www.sarien.net/ Sierra Sarien], [http://www.ucw.cz/draci-historie/index-en.html Dragon History for ScummVM], [] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Board like [https://github.com/aperture-software/colditz-escape escape from colditz], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/board], [http://amigan.1emu.net/releases Africa] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Cards like |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/card ], [], |<!--AmigaOS-->[http://home.arcor.de/amigasolitaire/e/welcome.html Reko], [https://github.com/samskivert/beschei-en beschei Src], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Misc [https://github.com/michelpereira/awesome-open-source-games Awesome open], [https://github.com/bobeff/open-source-games General Open Source], [https://github.com/SAT-R/sa2 Sonic Advance 2], [https://github.com/velorek1/cwordle Wordle type], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/misc], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games FPS like [https://aminet.net/package/game/shoot/D1X_Rebirth_AGA Descent D1X src], [https://github.com/DescentDevelopers/Descent3 Descent 3], [https://github.com/Fewnity/Counter-Strike-Nintendo-DS Counter-Strike-Nintendo-DS], [https://github.com/Aleph-One-Marathon/alephone Bungie Marathon 1994], [https://bszili.morphos.me/ gzdoom skulltag], |<!--AROS-->Doom, Quake, [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Quake 3 Arena (OpenGL)], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Cube (OpenGL)], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Assault Cube (OpenGL)], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Cube 2 Sauerbraten (OpenGL)], [http://fodquake.net/test/ FodQuake QuakeWorld], [ Duke Nukem 3D], [ Darkplaces Nexuiz Xonotic], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Doom 3 SDL (OpenGL)], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Hexenworld and Hexen 2], [ Aliens vs Predator Gold 2000 (openGL)], [ Odamex (openGL doom)], |<!--Amiga OS-->Doom, Quake, AB3D, Fears, Breathless, |<!--AmigaOS4-->Doom, Quake, |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=12 Doom], Quake, Quake 3 Arena, [https://github.com/OpenXRay/xray-16 S.T.A.L.K.E.R Xray] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games MMORG like |<!--AROS-->[ Eternal Lands (OpenGL)], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Platform like |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/platform], [ Maze of Galious], [ Gish]*(openGL), [ Mega Mario], [http://www.gianas-return.de/ Giana's Return], [http://www.sqrxz.de/ Sqrxz], [.html Aquaria]*(openGL), [http://www.sqrxz2.de/ Sqrxz 2], [http://www.sqrxz.de/sqrxz-3/ Sqrxz 3], [http://www.sqrxz.de/sqrxz-4/ Sqrxz 4], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/platform Cave Story], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Puzzle [https://github.com/mariopartyrd/marioparty4/tree/port Party], [], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/puzzle], [ Cubosphere (OpenGL)], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/puzzle Candy Crisis], [http://bszili.morphos.me/ TailTale], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Racing [ Trigger Rally], [ VDrift], [http://www.ultimatestunts.nl/index.php?page=2&lang=en Ultimate Stunts], [http://maniadrive.raydium.org/ Mania Drive], [https://github.com/plowteam/donut Simpsons Hit and Run], [], |<!--AROS-->[ Super Tux Kart (OpenGL)], [http://www.dusabledanslherbe.eu/AROSPage/F1Spirit.30.html F1 Spirit (OpenGL)], [http://bszili.morphos.me/index.html MultiRacer], |<!--AmigaOS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://bszili.morphos.me/index.html Speed Dreams], |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=12], [http://bszili.morphos.me/index.html TORCS], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games 1st first person DRPG [https://wiki.rpg.net/index.php/Open_Game_Systems Misc], [https://github.com/OpenEnroth/OpenEnroth OpenEnroth MM], [] |<!--AROS-->[https://github.com/BSzili/aros-stuff Arx Libertatis], [http://www.playfuljs.com/a-first-person-engine-in-265-lines/ js raycaster], [https://github.com/Dorthu/es6-crpg webgl], [https://github.com/sonountaleban/AmiShockolate System Shock], [], [], |<!--AmigaOS-->Phantasie, Faery Tale, Dungeon Master, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games 3rd third person action CRPG [https://sourceforge.net/projects/sumwars/ Summoning Wars], [https://www.solarus-games.org/ Solarus], [https://wiki.rpg.net/index.php/Open_Game_Systems Misc], [https://github.com/alexbatalov/fallout1-ce fallout ce], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games isometric RPG [https://sourceforge.net/projects/sumwars/ Summoning Wars], [https://www.solarus-games.org/ Solarus], [https://wiki.rpg.net/index.php/Open_Game_Systems Misc], [https://github.com/topics/dungeon?l=javascript Dungeon], [], [https://github.com/clintbellanger/heroine-dusk JS Dusk], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/roleplaying nethack], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/roleplaying GemRB], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games card based RPG [https://github.com/open-duelyst/duelyst Duelyst], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Rhythm, Beat, Step [], [], [https://clonehero.net/ clonehero], [https://github.com/MatteoGodzilla/Dj-Engine Dj-Engine], |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/misc Frets on Fire], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Shoot Em Ups [http://www.mhgames.org/oldies/formido/ Formido], [http://code.google.com/p/violetland/ Violetland], ||<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/action Open Tyrian], [http://www.parallelrealities.co.uk/projects/starfighter.php Starfighter], [ Alien Blaster], [https://github.com/OpenFodder/openfodder OpenFodder], |<!--AmigaOS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.parallelrealities.co.uk/projects/starfighter.php Starfighter], |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Simulations [http://scp.indiegames.us/ Freespace 2], [http://www.heptargon.de/gl-117/gl-117.html GL117], [http://code.google.com/p/corsix-th/ Theme Hospital], [http://code.google.com/p/freerct/ Rollercoaster Tycoon], [http://hedgewars.org/ Hedgewars], [https://github.com/raceintospace/raceintospace raceintospace], [https://github.com/Return-To-The-Roots RTTR Settlers 2], [https://github.com/OoliteProject/oolite oolite elite], [https://github.com/fesh0r/newkind newkind elite], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->SimCity, SimAnt, Sim Hospital, Theme Park, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=12] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Life Sim [https://github.com/ACreTeam/forest Animal Crossing], [ ], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Strategy [http://rtsgus.org/ RTSgus], [http://wargus.sourceforge.net/ Wargus], [http://stargus.sourceforge.net/ Stargus], [https://github.com/KD-lab-Open-Source/Perimeter Perimeter], [https://matty77.itch.io/conflict-3049 conflict-3049], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/strategy MegaGlest (OpenGL)], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/strategy UFO:AI (OpenGL)], [http://play.freeciv.org/ FreeCiv], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=12] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Horror [https://github.com/Mikompilation/MikuPan Fatal Frame], [ ], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Sandbox Voxel Open World Exploration [https://github.com/UnknownShadow200/ClassiCube Classicube],[http://www.michaelfogleman.com/craft/ Craft], [https://github.com/tothpaul/DelphiCraft DelphiCraft],[https://www.minetest.net/ Luanti formerly Minetest], [ infiniminer], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Battle Royale [https://bruh.io/ Play.Bruh.io], [https://www.coolmathgames.com/0-copter Copter Royale], [https://surviv.io/ Surviv.io], [https://nuggetroyale.io/#Ketchup Nugget Royale], [https://miniroyale2.io/ Miniroyale2.io], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Tower Defense [https://chriscourses.github.io/tower-defense/ HTML5], [https://github.com/SBardak/Tower-Defense-Game TD C++], [https://github.com/bdoms/love_defense LUA and LOVE], [https://github.com/HyOsori/Osori-WebGame HTML5], [https://github.com/PascalCorpsman/ConfigTD ConfigTD Pascal], [https://github.com/GloriousEggroll/wine-ge-custom Wine], [] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Visual Novel Engines [https://github.com/Kirilllive/tuesday-js Tuesday JS], [ Lua + LOVE], [https://github.com/weetabix-su/renpsp-dev RenPSP], [https://github.com/Galladite27/ONScripter-EN ONScripter-EN], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Virtual Reality VR [https://gitlab.com/madsbuvi/openmw openmw vr], [https://github.com/Team-Beef-Studios/BeefRaiderXR BeefRaiderXR], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Virtual Table Top VTT [ Roll20], [https://www.owlbear.rodeo/ owlbear rodeo], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Computer assisted TableTop TTRPG OSR [https://www.rpgsolo.com/play.php RPGSolo], [https://github.com/fpsvogel/solo-ttrpgs Solo TTRPG], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games 2D 3D Engines [https://github.com/fegennari/3DWorld 3DWorld], [https://github.com/GarageGames/Torque3D Torque3D], [https://github.com/gameplay3d/GamePlay GamePlay 3D], [https://www.babylonjs.com/ BabylonJS ], [ Godot], [ Ogre], [ Crystal Space], [], [], [], |<!--AROS-->[https://www.arkhamdev.net/wiki.htm?id=agx Arkham Development antiryadgx 8.9 lts with register], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games C based game frameworks [https://github.com/orangeduck/Corange Corange], [https://github.com/scottcgi/Mojoc Mojoc], [https://orx-project.org/ Orx], [https://github.com/ioquake/ioq3 Quake 3], [https://www.mapeditor.org/ Tiled], [https://www.raylib.com/ 2d Raylib], [https://github.com/Rabios/awesome-raylib other raylib], [https://github.com/MrFrenik/gunslinger Gunslinger], [https://o3de.org/ o3d], [http://archives.aros-exec.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=development/library GLFW], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=development/library Raylib 5], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Virtual Pinball [https://github.com/vpinball/vpinball vpinball], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |} ==Application Guides== [[#top|...to the top]] ===Web Browser=== OWB is now at version 2.0 (which got an engine refresh, from July 2015 to February 2019) and 3.0. This latest version has a good support for many/most web sites, even YouTube web page now works. This improved compatibility comes at the expense of higher RAM usage (now 1GB RAM is the absolute minimum). Also, keep in mind that the lack of a JIT (Just-In-Time) JS compiler on the 32 bit version, makes the web surfing a bit slow. Only the 64 bit version of OWB 2.0 will have JIT enabled, thus benefitting of more speed. There are tooltypes that can be added to the icon to provide further features JIT, MSE etc Certificates from [https://curl.se/docs/caextract.html ca certs], DNS tracking blocking with [https://easylist.to/easylist/easylist.txt easylist.txt] in PROGDIR:Conf before starting browser with enabled AdBlock [https://github.com/easylist/easylist/tree/master easylist], [https://gitlab.com/eyeo anti abp], [https://firebog.net/ big blocklist], [https://github.com/StevenBlack/hosts Steves], [], [], This can be enabled with OWB Odyssey with Windows -> Content Blocking and Windows -> Messages and enter https://www.youtube.com/api/stats/ads* https://www.youtube.com/pagead/adview* https://www.youtube.com#@##player-ads* into your custom filters Element blocker browser extension might be needed for [https://github.com/easylist/easylist/wiki/Youtube-Issues youtube], [ mid roll], [ pre roll], [ ], OWB speed is much better when running from RAM Disk, the best way is to add the below into your S:User-Startup which copies OWB drawer from Extras:Internet/OWB to RAM Disk: So add this : <pre> copy Extras:Internet/OWB Ram:OWB/ ALL CLONE >NIL: copy Extras:Internet/OWB.info Ram: >NIL: </pre> Open RAM Disk and open OWB drawer and double click on OWB icon so that the above icon tooltypes are activated Problems are that the copy time is long (around 20 seconds added in the background), but we can make it faster if we delete useless files from the OWB drawer (docs, …) If you don’t copy the drawer back onto the HD, you won’t save your cache, cookies, passwords… So you need a script for it. Error messages SSL error "cant verify with ca-certificates", check bios clock time date is correct Error 6, try checking networking prefs settings and Save / Use preferences again or a '''few times''' otherwise the network chipset may not be compatible with Aros [https://www.google.com/search?q=%s&udm=14 Google search without AI overview] ===E-mail=== YAM does not support SSL and most mail providers now switched to encrypted SMTP/POP3 connections ====SimpleMail==== SimpleMail supports IMAP and appears to work with GMail, but it's never been reliable enough, it can crash with large mailboxes. Please read more on this [http://www.freelists.org/list/simplemail-usr User list] GMail Be sure to activate the pop3 usage in your gmail account setup / configuration first. pop3: pop.gmail.com Use SSL: Yes Port: 995 smtp: smtp.gmail.com (with authentication) Use Authentication: Yes Use SSL: Yes Port: 465 or 587 Hotmail/MSN/outlook/Microsoft Mail mid-2017, all outlook.com accounts will be migrated to Office 365 / Exchange Most users are currently on POP which does not allow showing folders and many other features (technical limitations of POP3). With Microsoft IMAP you will get folders, sync read/unread, and show flags. You still won't get push though, as Microsoft has not turned on the IMAP Idle command as at Sept 2013. If you want to try it, you need to first remove (you can't edit) your pop account (long-press the account on the accounts screen, delete account). Then set it up this way: 1. Email/Password 2. Manual 3. IMAP 4. * Incoming: imap-mail.outlook.com, port 993, SSL/TLS should be checked * Outgoing: smtp-mail.outlook.com, port 587, SSL/TLS should be checked * POP server name pop-mail.outlook.com, port 995, POP encryption method SSL Yahoo Mail On April 24, 2002 Yahoo ceased to offer POP access to its free mail service. Introducing instead a yearly payment feature, allowing users POP3 and IMAP server support, along with such benefits as larger file attachment sizes and no adverts. Sorry to see Yahoo leaving its users to cough up for the privilege of accessing their mail. Understandable, when competing against rivals such as Gmail and Hotmail who hold a large majority of users and were hacked in 2014 as well. Incoming Mail (IMAP) Server * Server - imap.mail.yahoo.com * Port - 993 * Requires SSL - Yes Outgoing Mail (SMTP) Server * Server - smtp.mail.yahoo.com * Port - 465 or 587 * Requires SSL - Yes * Requires authentication - Yes Your login info * Email address - Your full email address (name@domain.com) * Password - Your account's password * Requires authentication - Yes Note that you need to enable “Web & POP Access” in your Yahoo Mail account to send and receive Yahoo Mail messages through any other email program. You will have to enable “Allow your Yahoo Mail to be POPed” under “POP and Forwarding”, to send and receive Yahoo mails through any other email client. Cannot be done since 2002 unless the customer pays Yahoo a subscription subs fee to have access to SMTP and POP3 * Set the POP server for incoming mails as pop.mail.yahoo.com. You will have to enable “SSL” and use 995 for Port. * “Account Name or Login Name” – Your Yahoo Mail ID i.e. your email address without the domain “@yahoo.com”. * “Email Address” – Your Yahoo Mail address i.e. your email address including the domain “@yahoo.com”. E.g. myname@yahoo.com * “Password” – Your Yahoo Mail password. Yahoo! Mail Plus users may have to set POP server as plus.pop.mail.yahoo.com and SMTP server as plus.smtp.mail.yahoo.com. * Set the SMTP server for outgoing mails as smtp.mail.yahoo.com. You will also have to make sure that “SSL” is enabled and use 465 for port. you must also enable “authentication” for this to work. ====YAM Yet Another Mailer==== YAM does not support SSL and most mail providers have now switched to encrypted SMTP/POP3 connections This email client is POP3 only if the SSL library is available [http://www.freelists.org/list/yam YAM Freelists] One of the downsides of using a POP3 mailer unfortunately - you have to set an option not to delete the mail if you want it left on the server. IMAP keeps all the emails on the server. Possible issues Sending mail issues is probably a matter of using your ISP's SMTP server, though it could also be an SSL issue. getting a "Couldn't initialise TLSv1 / SSL error Use of on-line e-mail accounts with this email client is not possible as it lacks the OpenSSL AmiSSl v3 compatible library GMail Incoming Mail (POP3) Server - requires SSL: pop.gmail.com Use SSL: Yes Port: 995 Outgoing Mail (SMTP) Server - requires TLS: smtp.gmail.com (use authentication) Use Authentication: Yes Use STARTTLS: Yes (some clients call this SSL) Port: 465 or 587 Account Name: your Gmail username (including '@gmail.com') Email Address: your full Gmail email address (username@gmail.com) Password: your Gmail password Anyway, the SMTP is pop.gmail.com port 465 and it uses SSLLv3 Authentication. The POP3 settings are for the same server (pop.gmail.com), only on port 995 instead. Outlook.com access <pre > Outlook.com SMTP server address: smtp.live.com Outlook.com SMTP user name: Your full Outlook.com email address (not an alias) Outlook.com SMTP password: Your Outlook.com password Outlook.com SMTP port: 587 Outlook.com SMTP TLS/SSL encryption required: yes </pre > Yahoo Mail <pre > “POP3 Server” – Set the POP server for incoming mails as pop.mail.yahoo.com. You will have to enable “SSL” and use 995 for Port. “SMTP Server” – Set the SMTP server for outgoing mails as smtp.mail.yahoo.com. You will also have to make sure that “SSL” is enabled and use 465 for port. you must also enable “authentication” for this to work. “Account Name or Login Name” – Your Yahoo Mail ID i.e. your email address without the domain “@yahoo.com”. “Email Address” – Your Yahoo Mail address i.e. your email address including the domain “@yahoo.com”. E.g. myname@yahoo.com “Password” – Your Yahoo Mail password. </pre > Yahoo! Mail Plus users may have to set POP server as plus.pop.mail.yahoo.com and SMTP server as plus.smtp.mail.yahoo.com. Note that you need to enable “Web & POP Access” in your Yahoo Mail account to send and receive Yahoo Mail messages through any other email program. You will have to enable “Allow your Yahoo Mail to be POPed” under “POP and Forwarding”, to send and receive Yahoo mails through any other email client. Cannot be done since 2002 unless the customer pays Yahoo a monthly fee to have access to SMTP and POP3 Microsoft Outlook Express Mail 1. Get the files to your PC. By whatever method get the files off your Amiga onto your PC. In the YAM folder you have a number of different folders, one for each of your folders in YAM. Inside that is a file usually some numbers such as 332423.283. YAM created a new file for every single email you received. 2. Open up a brand new Outlook Express. Just configure the account to use 127.0.0.1 as mail servers. It doesn't really matter. You will need to manually create any subfolders you used in YAM. 3. You will need to do a mass rename on all your email files from YAM. Just add a .eml to the end of it. Amazing how PCs still rely mostly on the file name so it knows what sort of file it is rather than just looking at it! There are a number of multiple renamers online to download and free too. 4. Go into each of your folders, inbox, sent items etc. And do a select all then drag the files into Outlook Express (to the relevant folder obviously) Amazingly the file format that YAM used is very compatible with .eml standard and viola your emails appear. With correct dates and working attachments. 5. If you want your email into Microsoft Outlook. Open that up and create a new profile and a new blank PST file. Then go into File Import and choose to import from Outlook Express. And the mail will go into there. And viola.. you have your old email from your Amiga in a more modern day format. ===FTP=== Magellan has a great FTP module. It allows transferring files from/to a FTP server over the Internet or the local network and, even if FTP is perceived as a "thing of the past", its usability is all inside the client. The FTP thing has a nice side effect too, since every Icaros machine can be a FTP server as well, and our files can be easily transferred from an Icaros machine to another with a little configuration effort. First of all, we need to know the 'server' IP address. Server is the Icaros machine with the file we are about to download on another Icaros machine, that we're going to call 'client'. To do that, move on the server machine and 1) run Prefs/Services to be sure "FTP file transfer" is enabled (if not, enable it and restart Icaros); 2) run a shell and enter this command: ifconfig -a Make a note of the IP address for the network interface used by the local area network. For cabled devices, it usually is net0:. Now go on the client machine and run Magellan: Perform these actions: 1) click on FTP; 2) click on ADDRESS BOOK; 3) click on "New". You can now add a new entry for your Icaros server machine: 1) Choose a name for your server, in order to spot it immediately in the address book. Enter the IP address you got before. 2) click on Custom Options: 1) go to Miscellaneous in the left menu; 2) Ensure "Passive Transfers" is NOT selected; 3) click on Use. We need to deactivate Passive Transfers because YAFS, the FTP server included in Icaros, only allows active transfers at the current stage. Now, we can finally connect to our new file source: 1) Look into the address book for the newly introduced server, be sure that name and IP address are right, and 2) click on Connect. A new lister with server's "MyWorkspace" contents will appear. You can now transfer files over the network choosing a destination among your local (client's) volumes. Can be adapted to any FTP client on any platform of your choice, just be sure your client allows Active Transfers as well. ===IRC Internet Relay Chat=== Jabberwocky is ideal for one-to-one social media communication, use IRC if you require one to many. Just type a message in ''lowercase''' letters and it will be posted to all in the [ AROS irc channel]. Please do not use UPPER CASE as it is a sign of SHOUTING which is annoying. Other things to type in - replace <message> with a line of text and <nick> with a person's name <pre> /help /list /who /whois <nick> /msg <nick> <message> /query <nick> <message>s /query /away <message> /away /quit <going away message> </pre> [http://irchelp.org/irchelp/new2irc.html#smiley Intro guide here]. IRC Primer can be found here in [http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/ircprimer.html html], [http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/text/ircprimer.txt TXT], [http://www.kei.com/irc/IRCprimer1.1.ps PostScript]. Issue the command /me <text> where <text> is the text that should follow your nickname. Example: /me slaps ajk around a bit with a large trout /nick <newNick> /nickserv register <password> <email address> /ns instead of /nickserv, while others might need /msg nickserv /nickserv identify <password> Alternatives: /ns identify <password> /msg nickserv identify <password> ==== IRC WookieChat ==== WookieChat is the most complete internet client for communication across the IRC Network. WookieChat allows you to swap ideas and communicate in real-time, you can also exchange Files, Documents, Images and everything else using the application's DCC capabilities. add smilies drawer/directory run wookiechat from the shell and set stack to 1000000 e.g. wookiechat stack 1000000 select a server / server window * nickname * user name * real name - optional Once you configure the client with your preferred screen name, you'll want to find a channel to talk in. servers * New Server - click on this to add / add extra - change details in section below this click box * New Group * Delete Entry * Connect to server * connect in new tab * perform on connect Change details * Servername - change text in this box to one of the below Server: * Port number - no need to change * Server password * Channel - add #channel from below * auto join - can click this * nick registration password, Click Connect to server button above <pre> Server: irc.freenode.net Channel: #aros </pre> irc://irc.freenode.net/aros <pre> Server: chat.amigaworld.net Channel: #amigaworld or #amigans </pre> <pre> On Sunday evenings USA time usually starting around 3PM EDT (1900 UTC) Server:irc.superhosts.net Channel #team*amiga </pre> <pre> BitlBee and Minbif are IRCd-like gateways to multiple IM networks Server: im.bitlbee.org Port 6667 Seems to be most useful on WookieChat as you can be connected to several servers at once. One for Bitlbee and any messages that might come through that. One for your normal IRC chat server. </pre> [http://www.bitlbee.org/main.php/servers.html Other servers], <pre> #Amiga.org - irc.synirc.net eu.synirc.net dissonance.nl.eu.synirc.net (IPv6: 2002:5511:1356:0:216:17ff:fe84:68a) twilight.de.eu.synirc.net zero.dk.eu.synirc.net us.synirc.net avarice.az.us.synirc.net envy.il.us.synirc.net harpy.mi.us.synirc.net liberty.nj.us.synirc.net snowball.mo.us.synirc.net - Ports 6660-6669 7001 (SSL) </pre> <pre> Multiple server support "Perform on connect" scripts and channel auto-joins Automatic Nickserv login Tabs for channels and private conversations CTCP PING, TIME, VERSION, SOUND Incoming and Outgoing DCC SEND file transfers Colours for different events Logging and automatic reloading of logs mIRC colour code filters Configurable timestamps GUI for changing channel modes easily Configurable highlight keywords URL Grabber window Optional outgoing swear word filter Event sounds for tabs opening, highlighted words, and private messages DCC CHAT support Doubleclickable URL's Support for multiple languages using LOCALE Clone detection Auto reconnection to Servers upon disconnection Command aliases Chat display can be toggled between AmIRC and mIRC style Counter for Unread messages Graphical nicklist and graphical smileys with a popup chooser </pre> ====IRC Aircos ==== Double click on Aircos icon in Extras:Networking/Apps/Aircos. It has been set up with a guest account for trial purposes. Though ideally, choose a nickname and password for frequent use of irc. ====IRC and XMPP Jabberwocky==== Servers are setup and close down at random You sign up to a server that someone else has setup and access chat services through them. The two ways to access chat from jabberwocky <pre > Jabberwocky -> Server -> XMPP -> open and ad-free Jabberwocky -> Server -> Transports (Gateways) -> Proprietary closed systems </pre > The Jabber.org service connects with all IM services that use XMPP, the open standard for instant messaging and presence over the Internet. The services we connect with include Google Talk (closed), Live Journal Talk, Nimbuzz, Ovi, and thousands more. However, you can not connect from Jabber.org to proprietary services like AIM, ICQ, MSN, Skype, or Yahoo because they don’t yet use XMPP components (XEP-0114) '''but''' you can use Jabber.com's servers and IM gateways (MSN, ICQ, Yahoo etc.) instead. The best way to use jabberwocky is in conjunction with a public jabber server with '''transports''' to your favorite services, like gtalk, Facebook, yahoo, ICQ, AIM, etc. You have to register with one of the servers, [https://list.jabber.at/ this list] or [http://www.jabberes.org/servers/ another list], [http://xmpp.net/ this security XMPP list], Unfortunately jabberwocky can only connect to one server at a time so it is best to check what services each server offers. If you set it up with separate Facebook and google talk accounts, for example, sometimes you'll only get one or the other. Jabberwocky open a window where the Jabber server part is typed in as well as your Nickname and Password. Jabber ID (JID) identifies you to the server and other users. Once registered the next step is to goto Jabberwocky's "Windows" menu and select the "Agents" option. The "Agents List" window will open. Roster (contacts list) [http://search.wensley.org.uk/ Chatrooms] (MUC) are available File Transfer - can send and receive files through the Jabber service but not with other services like IRC, ICQ, AIM or Yahoo. All you need is an installed webbrowser and OpenURL. Clickable URLs - The message window uses Mailtext.mcc and you can set a URL action in the MUI mailtext prefs like SYS:Utils/OpenURL %s NEWWIN. There is no consistent Skype like (H.323 VoIP) video conferencing available over Jabber. The move from xmpp to Jingle should help but no support on any amiga-like systems at the moment. [http://aminet.net/package/dev/src/AmiPhoneSrc192 AmiPhone] and [http://www.lysator.liu.se/%28frame,faq,nobg,useframes%29/ahi/v4-site/ Speak Freely] was an early attempt voice only contact. SIP and Asterisk are other PBX options. Facebook If you're using the XMPP transport provided by Facebook themselves, chat.facebook.com, it looks like they're now requiring SSL transport. This means jabberwocky method below will no longer work. The best thing to do is to create an ID on a public jabber server which has a Facebook gateway. <pre > 1. launch jabberwocky 2. if the login window doesn't appear on launch, select 'account' from the jabberwocky menu 3. your jabber ID will be user@chat.facebook.com where user is your user ID 4. your password is your normal facebook password 5. to save this for next time, click the popup gadget next to the ID field 6. click the 'add' button 7. click the 'close' button 8. click the 'connect' button </pre > you're done. you can also click the 'save as default account' button if you want. jabberwocky configured to auto-connect when launching the program, but you can configure as you like. there is amigaguide documentation included with jabberwocky. [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=37085&forum=32 Read more here] for Facebook users, you can log-in directly to Facebook with jabberwocky. just sign in as @chat.facebook.com with your Facebook password as the password Twitter For a few years, there has been added a twitter transport. Servers include [http://jabber.hot-chilli.net/ jabber.hot-chili.net], and . An [http://jabber.hot-chilli.net/tag/how-tos/ How-to] :Read [http://jabber.hot-chilli.net/2010/05/09/twitter-transport-working/ more] Instagram no support at the moment best to use a web browser based client ICQ The new version (beta) of StriCQ uses a newer ICQ protocol. Most of the ICQ Jabber Transports still use an older ICQ protocol. You can only talk one-way to StriCQ using the older Transports. Only the newer ICQv7 Transport lets you talk both ways to StriCQ. Look at the server lists in the first section to check. Register on a Jabber server, e.g. this one works: http://www.jabber.de/ Then login into Jabberwocky with the following login data e.g. xxx@jabber.de / Password: xxx Now add your ICQ account under the window->Agents->"Register". Now Jabberwocky connects via the Jabber.de server with your ICQ account. Yahoo Messenger although yahoo! does not use xmpp protocol, you should be able to use the transport methods to gain access and post your replies MSN early months of 2013 Microsoft will ditch MSN Messenger client and force everyone to use Skype...but MSN protocol and servers will keep working as usual for quite a long time.... Occasionally the Messenger servers have been experiencing problems signing in. You may need to sign in at www.outlook.com and then try again. It may also take multiple tries to sign in. (This also affects you if you’re using Skype.) You have to check each servers' Agents List to see what transports (MSN protocol, ICQ protocol, etc.) are supported or use the list address' provided in the section above. Then register with each transport (IRC, MSN, ICQ, etc.) to which you need access. After registering you can Connect to start chatting. msn.jabber.com/registered should appear in the window. From this [http://tech.dir.groups.yahoo.com/group/amiga-jabberwocky/message/1378 JW group] guide which helps with this process in a clear, step by step procedure. 1. Sign up on MSN's site for a passport account. This typically involves getting a Hotmail address. 2. Log on to the Jabber server of your choice and do the following: * Select the "Windows/Agents" menu option in Jabberwocky. * Select the MSN Agent from the list presented by the server. * Click the Register button to open a new window asking for: **Username = passort account email address, typically your hotmail address. **Nick = Screen name to be shown to anyone you add to your buddy list. **Password = Password for your passport account/hotmail address. * Click the Register button at the bottom of the new window. 3. If all goes well, you will see the MSN Gateway added to your buddy list. If not, repeat part 2 on another server. Some servers may show MSN in their list of available agents, but have not updated their software for the latest protocols used by MSN. 4. Once you are registered, you can now add people to your buddy list. Note that you need to include the '''msn.''' ahead of the servername so that it knows what gateway agent to use. Some servers may use a slight variation and require '''msg.gate.''' before the server name, so try both to see what works. If my friend's msn was amiga@hotmail.co.uk and my jabber server was @jabber.meta.net.nz.. then amiga'''%'''hotmail.com@'''msn.'''jabber.meta.net.nz or another the trick to import MSN contacts is that you don't type the hotmail URL but the passport URL... e.g. Instead of: goodvibe%hotmail.com@msn.jabber.com You type: goodvibe%passport.com@msn.jabber.com And the thing about importing contacts I'm afraid you'll have to do it by hand, one at the time... Google Talk any XMPP server will work, but you have to add your contacts manually. a google talk user is typically either @gmail.com or @talk.google.com. a true gtalk transport is nice because it brings your contacts to you and (can) also support file transfers to/from google talk users. implement Jingle a set of extensions to the IETF's Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (XMPP) support ended early 2014 as Google moved to Google+ Hangouts which uses it own proprietary format ===Video Player MPlayer=== Many of the menu features (such as doubling) do not work with the current version of mplayer but using 4:3 mplayer -vf scale=800:600 file.avi 16:9 mplayer -vf scale=854:480 file.avi if you want gui use; mplayer -gui 1 <other params> file.avi <pre > stack 1000000 ; using AspireOS 1.xx ; copy FROM SYS:Extras/Multimedia/MPlayer/ TO RAM:MPlayer ALL CLONE > Nil: ; using Icaros Desktop 1.x ; copy FROM SYS:Tools/MPlayer/ TO RAM:MPlayer ALL CLONE > Nil: ; using Icaros Desktop 2.x ; copy FROM SYS:Utilities/MPlayer/ TO RAM:MPlayer ALL CLONE > Nil: cd RAM:MPlayer run MPlayer -gui > Nil: ;run MPlayer -gui -ao ahi_dev -playlist http://www.radio-paralax.de/listen.pls > Nil: </pre > $ mplayer rtsp://127.0.0.1:554/sample_300kbit.mp4 MPlayer supports multicast streaming, and rtp/rtsp protocols (it might require [http://www.live555.com/openRTSP/ live555 library] to work with some streams). But you might have to build it where it's disabled. Also, multicast won't work with some AmiTCP-likes. MIAMI supported it, though. AROS supports IPv4 (old but works) and this includes the needed address space for RTP. If you mean multicast via RTP - mplayer handles it. You can even force UDP over TCP -rtsp-stream-over-tcp If the rtsp Real Time Streaming Protocol server needs authentification: -user -passwd MPlayer - Menu - Open Playlist and load already downloaded .pls or .m3u file - auto starts around 4 percent cache MPlayer - Menu - Open Stream and copy one of the .pls lines below into space allowed, press OK and press play button on main gui interface Old 8bit 16bit remixes chip tune game music http://www.radio-paralax.de/listen.pls http://scenesat.com/ http://www.shoutcast.com/radio/Amiga http://www.theoldcomputer.com/retro_radio/RetroRadio_Main.htm http://www.kohina.com/ http://www.remix64.com/ http://retrogamer.net/forum/ http://retroasylum.podomatic.com/rss2.xml http://retrogamesquad.com/ http://www.retronauts.com/ http://monsterfeet.com/noquarter/ http://www.retrogamingradio.com/ http://www.radiofeeds.co.uk/mp3.asp [[#top|...to the top]] ====ZunePaint==== simplified typical workflow * importing and organizing and photo management * making global and regional local correction(s) - recalculation is necessary after each adjustment as it is not in real-time * exporting your images in the best format available with the preservation of metadata Whilst achieving 80% of a great photo with just a filter, the remaining 20% comes from a manual fine-tuning of specific image attributes. For photojournalism, documentary, and event coverage, minimal touching is recommended. Stick to Camera Raw for such shots, and limit changes to level adjustment, sharpness, noise reduction, and white balance correction. For fashion or portrait shoots, a large amount of adjustment is allowed and usually ends up far from the original. Skin smoothing, blemish removal, eye touch-ups, etc. are common. Might alter the background a bit to emphasize the subject. Product photography usually requires a lot of sharpening, spot removal, and focus stacking. For landscape shots, best results are achieved by doing the maximum amount of preparation before/while taking the shot. No amount of processing can match timing, proper lighting, correct gear, optimal settings, etc. Excessive post-processing might give you a dramatic shot but best avoided in the long term. * White Balance - Left Amiga or F12 and K and under "Misc color effects" tab with a pull down for White Balance - color temperature also known as AKA tint (movies) or tones (painting) - warm temp raise red reduce green blue - cool raise blue lower red green * Exposure - exposure compensation, highlight/shadow recovery * Noise Reduction - during RAW development or using external software * Lens Corrections - distortion, vignetting, chromatic aberrations * Detail - capture sharpening and local contrast enhancement * Contrast - black point, levels (sliders) and curves tools (F12 and K) * Framing - straighten () and crop (F12 and F) * Refinements - color adjustments and selective enhancements - Left Amiga or F12 and K for RGB and YUV histogram tabs - * Resizing - enlarge for a print or downsize for the web or email (F12 and D) * Output Sharpening - customized for your subject matter and print/screen size White Balance - F12 and K scan your image for a shade which was meant to be white (neutral with each RGB value being equal) like paper or plastic which is in the same light as the subject of the picture. Use the dropper tool to select this color, similar colours will shift and you will have selected the perfect white balance for your part of the image - for the whole picture make sure RAZ or CLR button at the bottom is pressed before applying to the image above. Exposure correction F12 and K - YUV Y luminosity - RGB extra red tint - move red curve slightly down and move blue green curves slightly up Workflows in practice * Undo - Right AROS key or F12 and Z * Redo - Right AROS key or F12 and R First flatten your image (if necessary) and then do a rotation until the picture looks level. * Crop the picture. Click the selection button and drag a box over the area of the picture you want to keep. Press the crop button and the rest of the photo will be gone. * Adjust your saturation, exposure, hue levels, etc., (right AROS Key and K for color correction) until you are happy with the photo. Make sure you zoom in all of the way to 100% and look the photo over, zoom back out and move around. Look for obvious problems with the picture. * After coloring and exposure do a sharpen (Right AROS key and E for Convolution and select drop down option needed), e.g. set the matrix to 5x5 (roughly equivalent Amount to 60%) and set the Radius to 1.0. Click OK. And save your picture Implemented or would like to see for simplification and ease of use basic filters (presets) like black and white, monochrome, edge detection (sobel), motion/gaussian blur, * negative, sepiatone, retro vintage, night vision, colour tint, color gradient, color temperature, glows, fire, lightning, lens flare, emboss, filmic, pixelate mezzotint, antialias, etc. adjust / cosmetic tools such as crop, * reshaping tools, straighten, smear, smooth, perspective, liquify, bloat, pucker, push pixels in any direction, dispersion, transform like warp, blending with soft light, page-curl, whirl, ripple, fisheye, neon, etc. * red eye fixing, blemish remover, skin smoothing, teeth whitener, make eyes look brighter, desaturate, effects like oil paint, cartoon, pencil sketch, charcoal, noise/matrix like sharpen/unsharpen, (right AROS key with A for Artistic effects) * blend two image, gradient blend, masking blend, explode, implode, custom collage, surreal painting, comic book style, needlepoint, stained glass, watercolor, mosaic, stencil/outline, crayon, chalk, etc. borders such as * dropshadow, rounded, blurred, color tint, picture frame, film strip polaroid, bevelled edge, etc. brushes e.g. * frost, smoke, etc. and manual control of fix lens issues including vignetting (darkening), color fringing and barrel distortion, and chromatic and geometric aberration - lens and body profiles perspective correction levels - directly modify the levels of the tone-values of an image, by using sliders for highlights, midtones and shadows curves - Color Adjustment and Brightness/Contrast color balance one single color transparent (alpha channel (color information/selections) for masking and/or blending ) for backgrounds, etc. Threshold indicates how much other colors will be considered mixture of the removed color and non-removed colors decompose layer into a set of layers with each holding a different type of pattern that is visible within the image any selection using any selecting tools like lasso tool, marquee tool etc. the selection will temporarily be save to alpha If you create your image without transparency then the Alpha channel is not present, but you can add later. File formats like .psd (Photoshop file has layers, masks etc. contains edited sensor data. The original sensor data is no longer available) .xcf .raw .hdr Image Picture Formats * low dynamic range (JPEG, PNG, TIFF 8-bit), 16-bit (PPM, TIFF), typically as a 16-bit TIFF in either ProPhoto or AdobeRGB colorspace - TIFF files are also fairly universal – although, if they contain proprietary data, such as Photoshop Adjustment Layers or Smart Filters, then they can only be opened by Photoshop making them proprietary. * linear high dynamic range (HDR) images (PFM, [http://www.openexr.com/ ILM .EXR], jpg, [http://aminet.net/util/dtype cr2] (canon tiff based), hdr, NEF, CRW, ARW, MRW, ORF, RAF (Fuji), PEF, DCR, SRF, ERF, DNG files are RAW converted to an Adobe proprietary format - a container that can embed the raw file as well as the information needed to open it) An old version of [http://archives.aros-exec.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/convert dcraw] There is no single RAW file format. Each camera manufacturer has one or more unique RAW formats. RAW files contain the brightness levels data captured by the camera sensor. This data cannot be modified. A second smaller file, separate XML file, or within a database with instructions for the RAW processor to change exposure, saturation etc. The extra data can be changed but the original sensor data is still there. RAW is technically least compatible. A raw file is high-bit (usually 12 or 14 bits of information) but a camera-generated TIFF file will be usually converted by the camera (compressed, downsampled) to 8 bits. The raw file has no embedded color balance or color space, but the TIFF has both. These three things (smaller bit depth, embedded color balance, and embedded color space) make it so that the TIFF will lose quality more quickly with image adjustments than the raw file. The camera-generated TIFF image is much more like a camera processed JPEG than a raw file. A strong advantage goes to the raw file. The power of RAW files, such as the ability to set any color temperature non-destructively and will contain more tonal values. The principle of preserving the maximum amount of information to as late as possible in the process. The final conversion - which will always effectively represent a "downsampling" - should prevent as much loss as possible. Once you save it as TIFF, you throw away some of that data irretrievably. When saving in the lossy JPEG format, you get tremendous file size savings, but you've irreversibly thrown away a lot of image data. As long as you have the RAW file, original or otherwise, you have access to all of the image data as captured. Keyboard equivalence with Photoshop(tm) would help File PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP New Ctrl+n New Open Ctrl+o Open Close Ctrl+w Close Save Ctrl+s Save Save as Shift+Ctrl+s Save as Revert F12 Revert Print Ctrl+p Print Exit Ctrl+q Quit Edit PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Undo/Redo (1 level) Ctrl+z Undo (Redo is Shift+Ctrl+z) Cut Ctrl+x Cut Copy Ctrl+c Copy Paste Ctrl+v Paste Paste Into Shift+Ctrl+v Paste Into Fill with FG color Alt+Backspace Fill with FG color Fill with BG color Control+Backspace Fill with BG color Image/Colors PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Levels Ctrl+l Levels Auto Contrast Shift+Ctrl+Alt+l Stretch Contrast (same?) Curves Ctrl+m Curves Color Balance Ctrl+b Color Balance Hue/Saturation Ctrl+u Hue-Saturation Desaturate Shift+Ctrl+u Desaturate Invert Ctrl+i Invert Default Colors d Default Colors Switch Colors x Switch Colors Layer PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP New Layer Shift+Ctrl+n New Layer Layer via Copy Ctrl+j Duplicate Layer Bring (layer) to Front Shift+Ctrl+] Layer to Top Send (layer) to Back Shift+Ctrl+[ Layer to Bottom Bring (layer) Forward Ctrl+] Raise Layer Send (layer) Backward Ctrl+[ Lower Layer Select Top Layer Shift+Alt+] Select Top Layer Select Bottom Layer Shift+Alt+[ Select Bottom Layer Select One Layer Forward Alt+] Select Previous Layer Select One Layer Backward Alt+[ Select Next Layer Merge Down Ctrl+e Merge Down Merge Visible Shift+Ctrl+e Merge Visible Preserve Transparency / Keep Transparency Cycle Modes Forwards Shift+= Next Layer Mode Cycle Modes Backwards Shift+- Previous Layer Mode Select PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Select All Ctrl+a Select All Deselect Ctrl+d Select None Inverse Shift+Ctrl+i Invert Feather Ctrl+Alt+d Feather View PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Zoom In Ctrl+= Zoom In Zoom Out Ctrl+- Zoom Out Fit on Screen Ctrl+0 Zoom to Fit Window Actual Pixels Ctrl+Alt+0 Zoom 1:1 Show/Hide Extras Ctrl+h Toggle Show Selection (close enough?) Show/Hide Guides Ctrl+' Toggle Show Guides Show/Hide Grid Ctrl+Alt+' Toggle Show Grid Show/Hide Rulers Ctrl+r Toggle Show Rulers Snap Ctrl+; Snap to Guides Scroll View Up Page Up Scroll Page Up Scroll View Down Page Down Scroll Page Down Scroll View Left Ctrl+Page Up Scroll Page Left Scroll View Right Ctrl+Page Down Scroll Page Right Window/Dialogs PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP ? F5 Tools Dialog Color Tab F6 Colors Dialog Layers Tab F7 Layers Dialog Info Tab F8 Image Information Tools PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Rectangular Marquee Tool m Rect Select Tool Elliptical Marquee Tool Shift+m Ellipse Select Tool *This is a toggle between 'Elliptical Marquee Tool' and 'Rectangular Marquee Tool' in Photoshop Move Tool v Move Tool Lasso Tool l Free Select Tool Magic Wand Tool w Fuzzy Select Tool Crop Tool c Crop & Resize Tool Airbrush Tool j Airbrush Tool Paintbrush Tool b Paintbrush Tool Clone Stamp Tool s Clone Stamp Tool Eraser Tool e Eraser Tool Gradient Tool g Blend Tool Paint Bucket Tool Shift+g Bucket Fill Tool *This is a toggle between 'Paint Bucket Tool' and 'Gradient Tool' in Photoshop Blur Tool r Convolve Tool Dodge Tool o DodgeBurn Tool Type Tool t Text Tool Pen Tool p Bezier Select Tool Eye Dropper Tool i Color Picker Tool Zoom Tool z Magnify Tool Previous Brush , Previous Brush Next Brush . Next Brush First Brush Shift+< First Brush Last Brush Shift+> Last Brush Decrease Brush Size [ Decrease Brush Size Increase Brush Size ] Increase Brush Size Decrease Brush Hardness { Decrease Brush Hardness Increase Brush Hardness } Increase Brush Hardness Help PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Help F1 Help Context Help Shift+F1 Context Help Misc. PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Last Filter Ctrl+f Repeat Last Filter ? Shift+Ctrl+f Reshow Last Filter Preferences Ctrl+k Preferences Liquify Shift+Ctrl+x IWarp (close enough?) Toggle Quick Mask q Toggle Quick Mask Spotlights - triangle of white opaque shape Cutting out and/or replacing unwanted background or features - select large areas with the selection option like the Magic Wand tool (aka Color Range) or the Lasso (quick and fast) with feather 2 to soften edge or the pen tool which adds points/lines/Bézier curves (better control but slower), hold down the shift button as you click to add extra points/areas of the subject matter to remove. Increase the tolerance to cover more areas. To subtract from your selection hold down alt as you're clicking. * Layer masks are a better way of working than Erase they clip (black hides/hidden white visible/reveal). Clone Stamp can be simulated by and brushes for other areas. * Leave the fine details like hair, fur, etc. to later with lasso and the shift key to draw a line all the way around your subject. Gradient Mapping - Inverse - Mask. i.e. Refine your selected image with edge detection and using the radius and edge options / adjuster (increase/decrease contrast) so that you will capture more fine detail from the background allowing easier removal. Remove fringe/halo saving image as png rather than jpg/jpeg to keep transparency background intact. Implemented [http://colorizer.org/ colour model representations] [http://paulbourke.net/texture_colour/colourspace/ Mathematical approach] - Photo stills are spatially 2d (h and w), but are colorimetrically 3d (r g and b, or H L S, or Y U V etc.) as well. * RGB - split cubed mapped color model for photos and computer graphics hardware using the light spectrum (adding and subtracting) * YUV - Y-Lightness U-blue/yellow V-red/cyan (similar to YPbPr and YCbCr) used in the PAL, NTSC, and SECAM composite digital TV color [http://crewofone.com/2012/chroma-subsampling-and-transcoding/#comment-7299 video] Histograms White balanced (neutral) if the spike happens in the same place in each channel of the RGB graphs. If not, you're not balanced. If you have sky you'll see the blue channel further off to the right. RGB is best one to change colours. These elements RGB is a 3-channel format containing data for Red, Green, and Blue in your photo scale between 0 and 255. The area in a picture that appears to be brighter/whiter contains more red color as compared to the area which is relatively darker. Similarly in the green channel the area that appears to be darker contains less amount of green color as compared to the area that appears to be brighter. Similarly in the blue channel the area appears to be darker contains less amount of blue color as compared to the area that appears to be brighter. Brightness luminance histogram also matches the green histogram more than any other color - human eye interprets green better e.g. RGB rough ratio 15/55/30% RGBA (RGB+A, A means alpha channel) . The alpha channel is used for "alpha compositing", which can mostly be associated as "opacity". AROS deals in RGB with two digits for every color (red, green, blue), in ARGB you have two additional hex digits for the alpha channel. The shadows are represented by the left third of the graph. The highlights are represented by the right third. And the midtones are, of course, in the middle. The higher the black peaks in the graph, the more pixels are concentrated in that tonal range (total black area). By moving the black endpoint, which identifies the shadows (darkness) and a white light endpoint (brightness) up and down either sides of the graph, colors are adjusted based on these points. By dragging the central one, can increased the midtones and control the contrast, raise shadows levels, clip or softly eliminate unsafe levels, alter gamma, etc... in a way that is much more precise and creative . RGB Curves * Move left endpoint (black point) up or right endpoint (white point) up brightens * Move left endpoint down or right endpoint down darkens Color Curves * Dragging up on the Red Curve increases the intensity of the reds in the image but * Dragging down on the Red Curve decreases the intensity of the reds and thus increases the apparent intensity of its complimentary color, cyan. Green’s complimentary color is magenta, and blue’s is yellow. <pre> Red <-> Cyan Green <->Magenta Blue <->Yellow </pre> YUV Best option to analyse and pull out statistical elements of any picture (i.e. separate luminance data from color data). The line in Y luma tone box represents the brightness of the image with the point in the bottom left been black, and the point in the top right as white. A low-contrast image has a concentrated clump of values nearer to the center of the graph. By comparison, a high-contrast image has a wider distribution of values across the entire width of the Histogram. A histogram that is skewed to the right would indicate a picture that is a bit overexposed because most of the color data is on the lighter side (increase exposure with higher value F), while a histogram with the curve on the left shows a picture that is underexposed. This is good information to have when using post-processing software because it shows you not only where the color data exists for a given picture, but also where any data has been clipped (extremes on edges of either side): that is, it does not exist and, therefore, cannot be edited. By dragging the endpoints of the line and as well as the central one, can increased the dark/shadows, midtones and light/bright parts and control the contrast, raise shadows levels, clip or softly eliminate unsafe levels, alter gamma, etc... in a way that is much more precise and creative . The U and V chroma parts show color difference components of the image. It’s useful for checking whether or not the overall chroma is too high, and also whether it’s being limited too much Can be used to create a negative image but also With U (Cb), the higher value you are, the more you're on the blue primary color. If you go to the low values then you're on blue complementary color, i.e. yellow. With V (Cr), this is the same principle but with Red and Cyan. e.g. If you push U full blue and V full red, you get magenta. If you push U full yellow and V full Cyan then you get green. YUV simultaneously adds to one side of the color equation while subtracting from the other. using YUV to do color correction can be very problematic because each curve alters the result of each other: the mutual influence between U and V often makes things tricky. You may also be careful in what you do to avoid the raise of noise (which happens very easily). Best results are obtained with little adjustments sunset that looks uninspiring and needs some color pop especially for the rays over the hill, a subtle contrast raise while setting luma values back to the legal range without hard clipping. Free royalty pictures, [www.freeimages.com ], [http://imageshack.us/ ], [http://photobucket.com/ ], [http://rawpixels.net/], [], [], [], ====Lunapaint==== Pixel based drawing app with onion-skin animation function Blocking, Shading, Coloring, adding detail <pre> b BRUSH e ERASER alt eyedropper v layer tool z ZOOM / MAGNIFY < > n spc panning m marque q lasso w same color selection / region </pre> <pre> , LM RM v V f filter F . size p , pick color [] last / next color </pre> There is not much missing in Lunapaint to be as good as FlipBook and then you have to take into account that Flipbook is considered to be amongst the best and easiest to use animation software out there. Ok to be honest Flipbook has some nice features that require more heavy work but those aren't so much needed right away, things like camera effects, sound, smart fill, export to different movie file formats etc. Tried Flipbook with my tablet and compared it to Luna. The feeling is the same when sketching. LunaPaint is very responsive/fluent to draw with. Just as Flipbook is, and that responsiveness is something its users have mentioned as one of the positive sides of said software. author was learning MUI. Some parts just have to be rewritten with proper MUI classes before new features can be added. * add [Frame Add] / [Frame Del] * whole animation feature is impossible to use. If you draw 2 color maybe but if you start coloring your cells then you get in trouble * pickup the entire image as a brush, not just a selection ? And consequently remove the brush from memory when one doesn't need it anymore. can pick up a brush and put it onto a new image but cropping isn't possible, nor to load/save brushes. * Undo is something I longed for ages in Lunapaint. * to import into the current layer, other types of images (e.g. JPEG) besides RAW64. * implement graphic tablet features support **GENERAL DRAWING** Miss it very much: UNDO ERASER COLORPICKER - has to show on palette too which color got picked. BACKGROUND COLOR -Possibility to select from "New project screen" Miss it somewhat: ICON for UNDO ICON for ERASER ICON for CLEAR SCREEN ( What can I say? I start over from scratch very often ) BRUSH - possibility to cut out as brush not just copy off image to brush **ANIMATING** Miss it very much: NUMBER OF CELLS - Possibity to change total no. of cells during project ANIM BRUSH - Possibility to pick up a selected part of cells into an animbrush Miss it somewhat: ADD/REMOVE FRAMES: Add/remove single frame In general LunaPaint is really well done and it feels like a new DeluxePaint version. It works with my tablet. Sure there's much missing of course but things can always be added over time. So there is great potential in LunaPaint that's for sure. Animations could be made in it and maybe put together in QuickVideo, saving in .gif or .mng etc some day. LAYERS -Layers names don't get saved globally in animation frames -Layers order don't change globally in an animation (perhaps as default?). EXPORTING IMAGES -Exporting frames to JPG/PNG gives problems with colors. (wrong colors. See my animatiopn --> My robot was blue now it's "gold" ) I think this only happens if you have layers. -Trying to flatten the layers before export doesn't work if you have animation frames only the one you have visible will flatten properly all other frames are destroyed. (Only one of the layers are visible on them) -Exporting images filenames should be for example e.g. file0001, file0002...file0010 instead as of now file1, file2...file10 LOAD/SAVE (Preferences) -Make a setting for the default "Work" folder. * Destroyed colors if exported image/frame has layers * mystic color cycling of the selected color while stepping frames back/forth (annoying) <pre> Deluxe Paint II enhanced key shortcuts NOTE: @ denotes the ALT key [Technique] F1 - Paint F2 - Single Colour F3 - Replace F4 - Smear F5 - Shade F6 - Cycle F7 - Smooth M - Colour Cycle [Brush] B - Restore O - Outline h - Halve brush size H - Double brush size x - Flip brush on X axis X - Double brush size on X axis only y - Flip on Y Y - Double on Y z - Rotate brush 90 degrees Z - Stretch [Stencil] ` - Stencil On [Miscellaneous] F9 - Info Bar F10 - Selection Bar @o - Co-Ordinates @a - Anti-alias @r - Colourise @t - Translucent TAB - Colour Cycle [Picture] L - Load S - Save j - Page to Spare(Flip) J - Page to Spare(Copy) V - View Page Q - Quit [General Keys] m - Magnify < - Zoom In > - Zoom Out [ - Palette Colour Up ] - Palette Colour Down ( - Palette Colour Left ) - Palette Colour Right , - Eye Dropper . - Pixel / Brush Toggle / - Symmetry | - Co-Ordinates INS - Perspective Control +/- - Brush Size (Fine Control) w - Unfilled Polygon W - Filled Polygon e - Unfilled Ellipse E - Filled Ellipse r - Unfilled Rectangle R - Filled Rectangle t - Type/text tool a - Select Font u/U - Undo d - Brush D - Filled Non-Uniform Polygon f/F - Fill Options g/G - Grid h/H - Brush Size (Coarse Control) K - Clear c - Unfilled Circle C - Filled Circle v - Line b - Scissor Select and Toggle B - Brush {,} - Toggle between two background colours </pre> ====Lodepaint==== Pixel based painting artwork app ====Grafx2==== Pixel based painting artwork app aesprite like [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59Y6OTzNrhk aesprite workflow keys and tablet use], [], ====Vector Graphics ZuneFIG==== Vector Image Editing of files .svg .ps .eps *Objects - raise lower rotate flip aligning snapping *Path - unify subtract intersect exclude divide *Colour - fill stroke *Stroke - size *Brushes - *Layers - *Effects - gaussian bevels glows shadows *Text - *Transform - AmiFIG ([http://epb.lbl.gov/xfig/frm_introduction.html xfig manual]) [[File:MyScreen.png|thumb|left|alt=Showing all Windows open in AmiFIG.|All windows available to AmiFIG.]] for drawing simple to intermediate vector graphic images for scientific and technical uses and for illustration purposes for those with talent ;Menu options * Load - fig format but import(s) SVG * Save - fig format but export(s) eps, ps, pdf, svg and png * PAN = Ctrl + Arrow keys * Deselect all points There is no selected object until you apply the tool, and the selected object is not highlighted. ;Metrics - to set up page and styles - first window to open on new drawings ;Tools - Drawing Primitives - set Attributes window first before clicking any Tools button(s) * Shapes - circles, ellipses, arcs, splines, boxes, polygon * Lines - polylines * Text "T" button * Photos - bitmaps * Compound - Glue, Break, Scale * POINTs - Move, Add, Remove * Objects - Move, Copy, Delete, Mirror, Rotate, Paste use right mouse button to stop extra lines, shapes being formed and the left mouse to select/deselect tools button(s) * Rotate - moves in 90 degree turns centered on clicked POINT of a polygon or square ;Attributes which provide change(s) to the above primitives * Color * Line Width * Line Style * arrowheads ;Modes Choose from freehand, charts, figures, magnet, etc. ;Library - allows .fig clip-art to be stored * compound tools to add .fig(s) together ;FIG 3.2 [http://epb.lbl.gov/xfig/fig-format.html Format] as produced by xfig version 3.2.5 <pre> Landscape Center Inches Letter 100.00 Single -2 1200 2 4 0 0 50 -1 0 12 0.0000 4 135 1050 1050 2475 This is a test.01 </pre> # change the text alignment within the textbox. I can choose left, center, or right aligned by either changing the integer in the second column from 0 (left) to 1 or 2 (center, or right). # The third integer in the row specifies fontcolor. For instance, 0 is black, but blue is 1 and Green3 is 13. # The sixth integer in the bottom row specifies fontface. 0 is Times-Roman, but 16 is Helvetica (a MATLAB default). # The seventh number is fontsize. 12 represents a 12pt fontsize. Changing the fontsize of an item really is as easy as changing that number to 20. # The next number is the counter-clockwise angle of the text. Notice that I have changed the angle to .7854 (pi/4 rounded to four digits=45 degrees). # twelfth number is the position according to the standard “x-axis” in Xfig units from the left. Note that 1200 Xfig units is equivalent to once inch. # thirteenth number is the “y-position” from the top using the same unit convention as before. * The nested text string is what you entered into the textbox. * The “01″ present at the end of that line in the .fig file is the closing tag. For instance, a change to \100 appends a @ symbol at the end of the period of that sentence. ; Just to note there are no layers, no 3d functions, no shading, no transparency, no animation [[#top|...to the top]] ===Audio=== # AHI uses linear panning/balance, which means that in the center, you will get -6dB. If an app uses panning, this is what you will get. Note that apps like Audio Evolution need panning, so they will have this problem. # When using AHI Hifi modes, mixing is done in 32-bit and sent as 32-bit data to the driver. The Envy24HT driver uses that to output at 24-bit (always). # For the Envy24/Envy24HT, I've made 16-bit and 24-bit inputs (called Line-in 16-bit, Line-in 24-bit etc.). There is unfortunately no app that can handle 24-bit recording. ====Music Mods==== Digital module (mods) trackers are music creation software using samples and sometimes soundfonts, audio plugins (VST, AU or RTAS), MIDI. Generally, MODs are similar to MIDI in that they contain note on/off and other sequence messages that control the mod player. Unlike (most) midi files, however, they also contain sound samples that the sequence information actually plays. MOD files can have many channels (classic amiga mods have 4, corresponding to the inbuilt sound channels), but unlike MIDI, each channel can typically play only one note at once. However, since that note might be a sample of a chord, a drumloop or other complex sound, this is not as limiting as it sounds. Like MIDI, notes will play indefinitely if they're not instructed to end. Most trackers record this information automatically if you play your music in live. If you're using manual note entry, you can enter a note-off command with a keyboard shortcut - usually Caps Lock. In fact when considering file size MOD is not always the best option. Even a dummy song wastes few kilobytes for nothing when a simple SID tune could be few hundreds bytes and not bigger than 64kB. AHX is another small format, AHX tunes are never larger than 64kB excluding comments. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXXsZfwgil Protrekkr] (previously aka [w:Juan_Antonio_Arguelles_Rius|NoiseTrekkr]) If Protrekkr does not start, please check if the Unit 0 has been setup in the AHI prefs and still not, go to the directory utilities/protrekkr and double click on the Protrekkr icon *Sample *Note - Effect *Track (column) - Pattern - Order It all starts with the Sample which is used to create Note(s) in a Track (column of a tracker) The Note can be changed with an Effect. A Track of Note(s) can be collected into a Pattern (section of a song) and these can be given Order to create the whole song. Patience (notes have to be entered one at a time) or playing the bassline on a midi controller (faster - see midi section above). Best approach is to wait until a melody popped into your head. *Up-tempo means the track should be reasonably fast, but not super-fast. *Groovy and funky imply the track should have some sort of "swing" feel, with plenty of syncopation or off beat emphasis and a recognizable, melodic bass line. *Sweet and happy mean upbeat melodies, a major key and avoiding harsh sounds. *Moody - minor key First, create a quick bass sound, which is basically a sine wave, but can be hand drawn for a little more variance. It could also work for the melody part, too. This is usually a bass guitar or some kind of synthesizer bass. The bass line is often forgotten by inexperienced composers, but it plays an important role in a musical piece. Together with the rhythm section the bass line forms the groove of a song. It's the glue between the rhythm section and the melodic layer of a song. The drums are just pink noise samples, played at different frequencies to get a slightly different sound for the kick, snare, and hihats. Instruments that fall into the rhythm category are bass drums, snares, hi-hats, toms, cymbals, congas, tambourines, shakers, etc. Any percussive instrument can be used to form part of the rhythm section. The lead is the instrument that plays the main melody, on top of the chords. There are many instruments that can play a lead section, like a guitar, a piano, a saxophone or a flute. The list is almost endless. There is a lot of overlap with instruments that play chords. Often in one piece an instrument serves both roles. The lead melody is often played at a higher pitch than the chords. Listened back to what was produced so far, and a counter-melody can be imagined, which can be added with a triangle wave. To give the ends of phrases some life, you can add a solo part with a crunchy synth. By hitting random notes in the key of G, then edited a few of them. For the climax of the song, filled out the texture with a gentle high-pitch pad… …and a grungy bass synth. The arrow at A points at the pattern order list. As you see, the patterns don't have to be in numerical order. This song starts with pattern "00", then pattern "02", then "03", then "01", etcetera. Patterns may be repeated throughout a song. The B arrow points at the song title. Below it are the global BPM and speed parameters. These determine the tempo of the song, unless the tempo is altered through effect commands during the song. The C arrow points at the list of instruments. An instrument may consist of multiple samples. Which sample will be played depends on the note. This can be set in the Instrument Editing screen. Most instruments will consist of just one sample, though. The sample list for the selected instrument can be found under arrow D. Here's a part of the main editing screen. This is where you put in actual notes. Up to 32 channels can be used, meaning 32 sounds can play simultaneously. The first six channels of pattern "03" at order "02" are shown here. The arrow at A points at the row number. The B arrow points at the note to play, in this case a C4. The column pointed at by the C arrow tells us which instrument is associated with that note, in this case instrument #1 "Kick". The column at D is used (mainly) for volume commands. In this case it is left empty which means the instrument should play at its default volume. You can see the volume column being used in channel #6. The E column tells us which effect to use and any parameters for that effect. In this case it holds the "F" effect, which is a tempo command. The "04" means it should play at tempo 4 (a smaller number means faster). Base pattern When I create a new track I start with what I call the base pattern. It is worthwhile to spend some time polishing it as a lot of the ideas in the base pattern will be copied and used in other patterns. At least, that's how I work. Every musician will have his own way of working. In "Wild Bunnies" the base pattern is pattern "03" at order "02". In the section about selecting samples I talked about the four different categories of instruments: drums, bass, chords and leads. That's also how I usually go about making the base pattern. I start by making a drum pattern, then add a bass line, place some chords and top it off with a lead. This forms the base pattern from which the rest of the song will grow. Drums Here's a screenshot of the first four rows of the base pattern. I usually reserve the first four channels or so for the drum instruments. Right away there are a couple of tricks shown here. In the first channel the kick, or bass drum, plays some notes. Note the alternating F04 and F02 commands. The "F" command alters the tempo of the song and by quickly alternating the tempo; the song will get some kind of "swing" feel. In the second channel the closed hi-hat plays a fairly simple pattern. Further down in the channel, not shown here, some open hi-hat notes are added for a bit of variation. In the third and fourth channel the snare sample plays. The "8" command is for panning. One note is panned hard to the left and the other hard to the right. One sample is played a semitone lower than the other. This results in a cool flanging effect. It makes the snare stand out a little more in the mix. Bass line There are two different instruments used for the bass line. Instrument #6 is a pretty standard synthesized bass sound. Instrument #A sounds a bit like a slap bass when used with a quick fade out. By using two different instruments the bass line sounds a bit more ”human”. The volume command is used to cut off the notes. However, it is never set to zero. Setting the volume to a very small value will result in a reverb-like effect. This makes the song sound more "live". The bass line hints at the chords that will be played and the key the song will be in. In this case the key of the song is D-major, a positive and happy key. Chords The D major chords that are being played here are chords stabs; short sounds with a quick decay (fade out). Two different instruments (#8 and #9) are used to form the chords. These instruments are quite similar, but have a slightly different sound, panning and volume decay. Again, the reason for this is to make the sound more human. The volume command is used on some chords to simulate a delay, to achieve more of a live feel. The chords are placed off-beat making for a funky rhythm. Lead Finally the lead melody is added. The other instruments are invaluable in holding the track together, but the lead melody is usually what catches people's attention. A lot of notes and commands are used here, but it looks more complex than it is. A stepwise ascending melody plays in channel 13. Channel 14 and 15 copy this melody, but play it a few rows later at a lower volume. This creates an echo effect. A bit of panning is used on the notes to create some stereo depth. Like with the bass line, instead of cutting off notes the volume is set to low values for a reverb effect. The "461" effect adds a little vibrato to the note, which sounds nice on sustained notes. Those paying close attention may notice the instrument used here for the lead melody is the same as the one used for the bass line (#6 "Square"), except played two or three octaves higher. This instrument is a looped square wave sample. Each type of wave has its own quirks, but the square wave (shown below) is a really versatile wave form. Song structure Good, catchy songs are often carefully structured into sections, some of which are repeated throughout the song with small variations. A typical pop-song structure is: Intro - Verse - Chorus - Verse - Chorus - Bridge - Chorus. Other single sectional song structures are <pre> Strophic or AAA Song Form - oldest story telling with refrain (often title of the song) repeated in every verse section melody AABA Song Form - early popular, jazz and gospel fading during the 1960s AB or Verse/Chorus Song Form - songwriting format of choice for modern popular music since the 1960s Verse/Chorus/Bridge Song Form ABAB Song Form ABAC Song Form ABCD Song Form AAB 12-Bar Song Form - three four-bar lines or sub-sections 8-Bar Song Form 16-Bar Song Form Hybrid / Compound Song Forms </pre> The most common building blocks are: #INTRODUCTION(INTRO) #VERSE #REFRAIN #PRE-CHORUS / RISE / CLIMB #CHORUS #BRIDGE #MIDDLE EIGHT #SOLO / INSTRUMENTAL BREAK #COLLISION #CODA / OUTRO #AD LIB (OFTEN IN CODA / OUTRO) The chorus usually has more energy than the verse and often has a memorable melody line. As the chorus is repeated the most often during the song, it will be the part that people will remember. The bridge often marks a change of direction in the song. It is not uncommon to change keys in the bridge, or at least to use a different chord sequence. The bridge is used to build up tension towards the big finale, the last repetition of chorus. Playing RCTRL: Play song from row 0. LSHIFT + RCTRL: Play song from current row. RALT: Play pattern from row 0. LSHIFT + RALT: Play pattern from current row. Left mouse on '>': Play song from row 0. Right mouse on '>': Play song from current row. Left mouse on '|>': Play pattern from row 0. Right mouse on '|>': Play pattern from current row. Left mouse on 'Edit/Record': Edit mode on/off. Right mouse on 'Edit/Record': Record mode on/off. Editing LSHIFT + ESCAPE: Switch large patterns view on/off TAB: Go to next track LSHIFT + TAB: Go to prev. track LCTRL + TAB: Go to next note in track LCTRL + LSHIFT + TAB: Go to prev. note in track SPACE: Toggle Edit mode On & Off (Also stop if the song is being played) SHIFT SPACE: Toggle Record mode On & Off (Wait for a key note to be pressed or a midi in message to be received) DOWN ARROW: 1 Line down UP ARROW: 1 Line up LEFT ARROW: 1 Row left RIGHT ARROW: 1 Row right PREV. PAGE: 16 Arrows Up NEXT PAGE: 16 Arrows Down HOME / END: Top left / Bottom right of pattern LCTRL + HOME / END: First / last track F5, F6, F7, F8, F9: Jump to 0, 1/4, 2/4, 3/4, 4/4 lines of the patterns + - (Numeric keypad): Next / Previous pattern LCTRL + LEFT / RIGHT: Next / Previous pattern LCTRL + LALT + LEFT / RIGHT: Next / Previous position LALT + LEFT / RIGHT: Next / Previous instrument LSHIFT + M: Toggle mute state of the current channel LCTRL + LSHIFT + M: Solo the current track / Unmute all LSHIFT + F1 to F11: Select a tab/panel LCTRL + 1 to 4: Select a copy buffer Tracking 1st and 2nd keys rows: Upper octave row 3rd and 4th keys rows: Lower octave row RSHIFT: Insert a note off / and * (Numeric keypad) or F1 F2: -1 or +1 octave INSERT / BACKSPACE: Insert or Delete a line in current track or current selected block. LSHIFT + INSERT / BACKSPACE: Insert or Delete a line in current pattern DELETE (NOT BACKSPACE): Empty a column or a selected block. Blocks (Blocks can also be selected with the mouse by holding the right button and scrolling the pattern with the mouse wheel). LCTRL + A: Select entire current track LCTRL + LSHIFT + A: Select entire current pattern LALT + A: Select entire column note in a track LALT + LSHIFT + A: Select all notes of a track LCTRL + X: Cut the selected block and copy it into the block-buffer LCTRL + C: Copy the selected block into the block-buffer LCTRL + V: Paste the data from the block buffer into the pattern LCTRL + I: Interpolate selected data from the first to the last row of a selection LSHIFT + ARROWS PREV. PAGE NEXT PAGE: Select a block LCTRL + R: Randomize the select columns of a selection, works similar to CTRL + I (interpolating them) LCTRL + U: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 seminote higher LCTRL + D: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 seminote lower LCTRL + LSHIFT + U: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 seminote higher (only for the current instrument) LCTRL + LSHIFT + D: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 seminote lower (only for the current instrument) LCTRL + H: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 octave higher LCTRL + L: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 octave lower LCTRL + LSHIFT + H: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 octave higher (only for the current instrument) LCTRL + LSHIFT + L: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 octave lower (only for the current instrument) LCTRL + W: Save the current selection into a file Misc LALT + ENTER: Switch between full screen / windowed mode LALT + F4: Exit program (Windows only) LCTRL + S: Save current module LSHIFT + S: Switch top right panel to synths list LSHIFT + I: Switch top right panel to instruments list <pre> C-x xh xx xx hhhh Volume B-x xh xx xx hhhh Jump to A#x xh xx xx hhhh hhhh Slide F-x xh xx xx hhhh Tempo D-x xh xx xx hhhh Pattern Break G#x xh xx xx hhhh </pre> h Hex 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F 10 11 12 13 d Dec 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 The Set Volume command: C. Input a note, then move the cursor to the effects command column and type a C. Play the pattern, and you shouldn't be able to hear the note you placed the C by. This is because the effect parameters are 00. Change the two zeros to a 40(Hex)/64(Dec), depending on what your tracker uses. Play back the pattern again, and the note should come in at full volume. The Position Jump command next. This is just a B followed by the position in the playing list that you want to jump to. One thing to remember is that the playing list always starts at 0, not 1. This command is usually in Hex. Onto the volume slide command: A. This is slightly more complex (much more if you're using a newer tracker, if you want to achieve the results here, then set slides to Amiga, not linear), due to the fact it depends on the secondary tempo. For now set a secondary tempo of 06 (you can play around later), load a long or looped sample and input a note or two. A few rows after a note type in the effect command A. For the parameters use 0F. Play back the pattern, and you should notice that when the effect kicks in, the sample drops to a very low volume very quickly. Change the effect parameters to F0, and use a low volume command on the note. Play back the pattern, and when the slide kicks in the volume of the note should increase very quickly. This because each part of the effect parameters for command A does a different thing. The first number slides the volume up, and the second slides it down. It's not recommended that you use both a volume up and volume down at the same time, due to the fact the tracker only looks for the first number that isn't set to 0. If you specify parameters of 8F, the tracker will see the 8, ignore the F, and slide the volume up. Using a slide up and down at same time just makes you look stupid. Don't do it... The Set Tempo command: F, is pretty easy to understand. You simply specify the BPM (in Hex) that you want to change to. One important thing to note is that values of lower than 20 (Hex) sets the secondary tempo rather than the primary. Another useful command is the Pattern Break: D. This will stop the playing of the current pattern and skip to the next one in the playing list. By using parameters of more than 00 you can also specify which line to begin playing from. Command 3 is Portamento to Note. This slides the currently playing note to another note, at a specified speed. The slide then stops when it reaches the desired note. <pre> C-2 1 000 - Starts the note playing --- 000 C-3 330 - Starts the slide to C-3 at a speed of 30. --- 300 - Continues the slide --- 300 - Continues the slide </pre> Once the parameters have been set, the command can be input again without any parameters, and it'll still perform the same function unless you change the parameters. This memory function allows certain commands to function correctly, such as command 5, which is the Portamento to Note and Volume Slide command. Once command 3 has been set up command 5 will simply take the parameters from that and perform a Portamento to Note. Any parameters set up for command 5 itself simply perform a Volume Slide identical to command A at the same time as the Portamento to Note. This memory function will only operate in the same channel where the original parameters were set up. There are various other commands which perform two functions at once. They will be described as we come across them. C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 02 C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 05 C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 08 C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 0A C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 0D C-3 04 .. .. 09 10 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 10 (You can also switch on the Slider Rec to On, and perform parameter-live-recording, such as cutoff transitions, resonance or panning tweaking, etc..) Note: this command only works for volume/panning and fx datas columns. The next command we'll look at is the Portamento up/down: 1 and 2. Command 1 slides the pitch up at a specified speed, and 2 slides it down. This command works in a similar way to the volume slide, in that it is dependent on the secondary tempo. Both these commands have a memory dependent on each other, if you set the slide to a speed of 3 with the 1 command, a 2 command with no parameters will use the speed of 3 from the 1 command, and vice versa. Command 4 is Vibrato. Vibrato is basically rapid changes in pitch, just try it, and you'll see what I mean. Parameters are in the format of xy, where x is the speed of the slide, and y is the depth of the slide. One important point to remember is to keep your vibratos subtle and natural so a depth of 3 or less and a reasonably fast speed, around 8, is usually used. Setting the depth too high can make the part sound out of tune from the rest. Following on from command 4 is command 6. This is the Vibrato and Volume Slide command, and it has a memory like command 5, which you already know how to use. Command 7 is Tremolo. This is similar to vibrato. Rather than changing the pitch it slides the volume. The effect parameters are in exactly the same format. vibrato effect (0x1dxy) x = speed y = depth (can't be used if arpeggio (0x1b) is turned on) <pre> C-7 00 .. .. 1B37 <- Turn Arpeggio effect on --- .. .. .. 0000 --- .. .. .. 0000 --- .. .. .. 0000 --- .. .. .. 1B38 <- Change datas --- .. .. .. 0000 --- .. .. .. 0000 --- .. .. .. 0000 --- .. .. .. 1B00 <- Turn it off </pre> Command 9 is Sample Offset. This starts the playback of the sample from a different place than the start. The effect parameters specify the sample offset, but only very roughly. Say you have a sample which is 8765(Hex) bytes long, and you wanted it to play from position 4321(Hex). The effect parameter could only be as accurate as the 43 part, and it would ignore the 21. Command B is the Playing List/Order Jump command. The parameters specify the position in the Playing List/Order to jump to. When used in conjunction with command D you can specify the position and the line to play from. Command E is pretty complex, as it is used for a lot of different things, depending on what the first parameter is. Let's take a trip through each effect in order. Command E0 controls the hardware filter on an Amiga, which, as a low pass filter, cuts off the highest frequencies being played back. There are very few players and trackers on other system that simulate this function, not that you should need to use it. The second parameter, if set to 1, turns on the filter. If set to 0, the filter gets turned off. Commands E1/E2 are Fine Portamento Up/Down. Exactly the same functions as commands 1/2, except that they only slide the pitch by a very small amount. These commands have a memory the same as 1/2 as well. Command E3 sets the Glissando control. If parameters are set to 1 then when using command 3, any sliding will only use the notes in between the original note and the note being slid to. This produces a somewhat jumpier slide than usual. The best way to understand is to try it out for yourself. Produce a slow slide with command 3, listen to it, and then try using E31. Command E4 is the Set Vibrato Waveform control. This command controls how the vibrato command slides the pitch. Parameters are 0 - Sine, 1 - Ramp Down (Saw), 2 - Square. By adding 4 to the parameters, the waveform will not be restarted when a new note is played e.g. 5 - Sine without restart. Command E5 sets the Fine Tune of the instrument being played, but only for the particular note being played. It will override the default Fine Tune for the instrument. The parameters range from 0 to F, with 0 being -8 and F being +8 Fine Tune. A parameter of 8 gives no Fine Tune. If you're using a newer tracker that supports more than -8 to +8 e.g. -128 to +128, these parameters will give a rough Fine Tune, accurate to the nearest 16. Command E6 is the Jump Loop command. You mark the beginning of the part of a pattern that you want to loop with E60, and then specify with E6x the end of the loop, where x is the number of times you want it to loop. Command E7 is the Set Tremolo Waveform control. This has exactly the same parameters as command E4, except that it works for Tremolo rather than Vibrato. Command E9 is for Retriggering the note quickly. The parameter specifies the interval between the retrigs. Use a value of less than the current secondary tempo, or else the note will not get retrigged. Command EA/B are for Fine Volume Slide Up/Down. Much the same as the normal Volume Slides, except that these are easier to control since they don't depend on the secondary tempo. The parameters specify the amount to slide by e.g. if you have a sample playing at a volume of 08 (Hex) then the effect EA1 will slide this volume to 09 (Hex). A subsequent effect of EB4 would slide this volume down to 05 (Hex). Command EC is the Note Cut. This sets the volume of the currently playing note to 0 at a specified tick. The parameters should be lower than the secondary tempo or else the effect won't work. Command ED is the Note Delay. This should be used at the same time as a note is to be played, and the parameters will specify the number of ticks to delay playing the note. Again, keep the parameters lower than the secondary tempo, or the note won't get played! Command EE is the Pattern Delay. This delays the pattern for the amount of time it would take to play a certain number of rows. The parameters specify how many rows to delay for. Command EF is the Funk Repeat command. Set the sample loop to 0-1000. When EFx is used, the loop will be moved to 1000- 2000, then to 2000-3000 etc. After 9000-10000 the loop is set back to 0- 1000. The speed of the loop "movement" is defined by x. E is two times as slow as F, D is three times as slow as F etc. EF0 will turn the Funk Repeat off and reset the loop (to 0-1000). effects 0x41 and 0x42 to control the volumes of the 2 303 units There is a dedicated panel for synth parameter editing with coherent sections (osc, filter modulation, routing, so on) the interface is much nicer, much better to navigate with customizable colors, the reverb is now customizable (10 delay lines), It accepts newer types of Waves (higher bit rates, at least 24). Has a replay routine. It's pretty much your basic VA synth. The problem isn't with the sampler being to high it's the synth is tuned two octaves too low, but if you want your samples tuned down just set the base note down 2 octaves (in the instrument panel). so the synth is basically divided into 3 sections from left to right: oscillators/envelopes, then filter and LFO's, and in the right column you have mod routings and global settings. for the oscillator section you have two normal oscillators (sine, saw, square, noise), the second of which is tunable, the first one tunes with the key pressed. Attached to OSC 1 is a sub-oscillator, which is a sawtooth wave tuned one octave down. The phase modulation controls the point in the duty cycle at which the oscillator starts. The ADSR envelope sliders (grouped with oscs) are for modulation envelope 1 and 2 respectively. you can use the synth as a sampler by choosing the instrument at the top. In the filter column, the filter settings are: 1 = lowpass, 2 = highpass, 3 = off. cutoff and resonance. For the LFOs they are LFO 1 and LFO 2, the ADSR sliders in those are for the LFO itself. For the modulation routings you have ENV 1, LFO 1 for the first slider and ENV 2, LFO 2 for the second, you can cycle through the individual routings there, and you can route each modulation source to multiple destinations of course, which is another big plus for this synth. Finally the glide time is for portamento and master volume, well, the master volume... it can go quite loud. The sequencer is changed too, It's more like the one in AXS if you've used that, where you can mute tracks to re-use patterns with variation. <pre> Support for the following modules formats: 669 (Composer 669, Unis 669), AMF (DSMI Advanced Module Format), AMF (ASYLUM Music Format V1.0), APUN (APlayer), DSM (DSIK internal format), FAR (Farandole Composer), GDM (General DigiMusic), IT (Impulse Tracker), IMF (Imago Orpheus), MOD (15 and 31 instruments), MED (OctaMED), MTM (MultiTracker Module editor), OKT (Amiga Oktalyzer), S3M (Scream Tracker 3), STM (Scream Tracker), STX (Scream Tracker Music Interface Kit), ULT (UltraTracker), UNI (MikMod), XM (FastTracker 2), Mid (midi format via timidity) </pre> Possible plugin options include [http://lv2plug.in/ LV2], ====Midi - Musical Instrument Digital Interface==== A midi file typically contains music that plays on up to 16 channels (as per the midi standard), but many notes can simultaneously play on each channel (depending on the limit of the midi hardware playing it). '''Timidity''' Although usually already installed, you can uncompress the [http://www.libsdl.org/projects/SDL_mixer/ timidity.tar.gz (14MB)] into a suitable drawer like below's SYS:Extras/Audio/ assign timidity: SYS:Extras/Audio/timidity added to SYSːs/User-Startup '''WildMidi playback''' '''Audio Evolution 4 (2003) 4.0.23 (from 2012)''' *Sync Menu - CAMD Receive, Send checked *Options Menu - MIDI Machine Control - Midi Bar Display - Select CAMD MIDI in / out - Midi Remote Setup MCB Master Control Bus *Sending a MIDI start-command and a Song Position Pointer, you can synchronize audio with an external MIDI sequencer (like B&P). *B&P Receive, start AE, add AudioEvolution.ptool in Bars&Pipes track, press play / record in AE then press play in Pipes *CAMD Receive, receive MIDI start or continue commands via camd.library sync to AE *MIDI Machine Control *Midi Bar Display *Select CAMD MIDI in / out *Midi Remote Setup - open requester for external MIDI controllers to control app mixer and transport controls cc remotely Channel - mixer(vol, pan, mute, solo), eq, aux, fx, Subgroup - Volume, Mute, Solo Transport - Start, End, Play, Stop, Record, Rewind, Forward Misc - Master vol., Bank Down, Bank up <pre> q - quit First 3 already opened when AE started F1 - timeline window F2 - mixer F3 - control F4 - subgroups F5 - aux returns F6 - sample list i - Load sample to use space - start/stop play b - reset time 0:00 s - split mode r - open recording window a - automation edit mode with p panning, m mute and v volume [ / ] - zoom in / out : - previous track * - next track x c v f - cut copy paste cross-fade g - snap grid </pre> '''[http://bnp.hansfaust.de/ Bars n Pipes sequencer]''' BarsnPipes debug ... in shell Menu (right mouse) *Song - Songs load and save in .song format but option here to load/save Midi_Files .mid in FORMAT0 or FORMAT1 *Track - *Edit - *Tool - *Timing - SMTPE Synchronizing *Windows - *Preferences - Multiple MIDI-in option Windows (some of these are usually already opened when Bars n Pipes starts up for the first time) *Workflow -> Tracks, .... Song Construction, Time-line Scoring, Media Madness, Mix Maestro, *Control -> Transport (or mini one), Windows (which collects all the Windows icons together-shortcut), .... Toolbox, Accessories, Metronome, Once you have your windows placed on the screen that suits your workflow, Song -> Save as Default will save the positions, colors, icons, etc as you'd like them If you need a particular setup of Tracks, Tools, Tempos etc, you save them all as a new song you can load each time Right mouse menu -> Preferences -> Environment... -> ScreenMode - Linkages for Synch (to Slave) usbmidi.out.0 and Send (Master) usbmidi.in.0 - Clock MTC '''Tracks''' #Double-click on B&P's icon. B&P will then open with an empty Song. You can also double-click on a song icon to open a song in B&P. #Choose a track. The B&P screen will contain a Tracks Window with a number of tracks shown as pipelines (Track 1, Track 2, etc...). To choose a track, simply click on the gray box to show an arrow-icon to highlight it. This icon show whether a track is chosen or not. To the right of the arrow-icon, you can see the icon for the midi-input. If you double-click on this icon you can change the MIDI-in setup. #Choose Record for the track. To the right of the MIDI-input channel icon you can see a pipe. This leads to another clickable icon with that shows either P, R or M. This stands for Play, Record or Merge. To change the icon, simply click on it. If you choose P, this track can only play the track (you can't record anything). If you choose R, you can record what you play and it overwrites old stuff in the track. If you choose M, you merge new records with old stuff in the track. Choose R now to be able to make a record. #Chose MIDI-channel. On the most right part of the track you can see an icon with a number in it. This is the MIDI-channel selector. Here you must choose a MIDI-channel that is available on your synthesizer/keyboard. If you choose General MIDI channel 10, most synthesizer will play drum sounds. To the left of this icon is the MIDI-output icon. Double-click on this icon to change the MIDI-output configuration. #Start recording. The next step is to start recording. You must then find the control buttons (they look like buttons on a CD-player). To be able to make a record. you must click on the R icon. You can simply now press the play button (after you have pressed the R button) and play something on you keyboard. To playback your composition, press the Play button on the control panel. #Edit track. To edit a track, you simply double click in the middle part of a track. You will then get a new window containing the track, where you can change what you have recorded using tools provided. Take also a look in the drop-down menus for more features. Videos to help understand [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6gVTX-9900 small intro], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abq_rUTiSA4&t=3s Overview], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixOVutKsYQo Workplace Setup CC PC Sysex], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDnJLYPaZTs Import Song], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC3kkzPLkv4 Tempo Mapping], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd23kqMYPDs ptool Arpeggi-8], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDJq-YxgwQg PlayMidi Song], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY9Pu5P9TaU Amiga Midi], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abq_rUTiSA4 Learning Amiga bars and Pipes], Groups like [https://groups.io/g/barsnpipes/topics this] could help '''Tracks window''' * blue "1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Group" and transport tape deck VCR-type controls * Flags * [http://theproblem.alco-rhythm.com/org/bp.html Track 1, Track2, to Track 16, on each Track there are many options that can be activated] Each Track has a *Left LHS - Click in grey box to select what Track to work on, Midi-In ptool icon should be here (5pin plug icon), and many more from the Toolbox on the Input Pipeline *Middle - (P, R, M) Play, Record, Merge/Multi before the sequencer line and a blue/red/yellow (Thru Mute Play) Tap *Right RHS - Output pipeline, can have icons placed uopn it with the final ptool icon(s) being the 5pin icon symbol for Midi-OUT Clogged pipelines may need Esc pressed several times '''Toolbox (tools affect the chosen pipeline)''' After opening the Toolbox window you can add extra Tools (.ptool) for the pipelines like keyboard(virtual), midimonitor, quick patch, transpose, triad, (un)quantize, feedback in/out, velocity etc right mouse -> Toolbox menu option -> Install Tool... and navigate to Tool drawer (folder) and select requried .ptool Accompany B tool to get some sort of rythmic accompaniment, Rythm Section and Groove Quantize are examples of other tools that make use of rythms [https://aminet.net/search?query=bars Bars & Pipes pattern format .ptrn] for drawer (folder). Load from the Menu as Track or Group '''Accessories (affect the whole app)''' Accessories -> Install... and goto the Accessories drawer for .paccess like adding ARexx scripting support '''Song Construction''' <pre> F1 Pencil F2 Magic Wand F3 Hand F4 Duplicator F5 Eraser F6 Toolpad F7 Bounding box F8 Lock to A-B-A A-B-A strip, section, edit flags, white boxes, </pre> Bars&Pipes Professional offers three track formats; basic song tracks, linear tracks — which don't loop — and finally real‑time tracks. The difference between them is that both song and linear tracks respond to tempo changes, while real‑time tracks use absolute timing, always trigger at the same instant regardless of tempo alterations '''Tempo Map''' F1 Pencil F2 Magic Wand F3 Hand F4 Eraser F5 Curve F6 Toolpad Compositions Lyrics, Key, Rhythm, Time Signature '''Master Parameters''' Key, Scale/Mode '''Track Parameters''' Dynamics '''Time-line Scoring''' '''Media Madness''' '''Mix Maestro''' *ACCESSORIES Allows the importation of other packages and additional modules *CLIPBOARD Full cut, copy and paste operations, enabling user‑definable clips to be shared between tracks. *INFORMATION A complete rundown on the state of the current production and your machine. *MASTER PARAMETERS Enables global definition of time signatures, lyrics, scales, chords, dynamics and rhythm changes. *MEDIA MADNESS A complete multimedia sequencer which allows samples, stills, animation, etc *METRONOME Tempo feedback via MIDI, internal Amiga audio and colour cycling — all three can be mixed and matched as required. *MIX MAESTRO Completely automated mixdown with control for both volume and pan. All fader alterations are memorised by the software *RECORD ACTIVATION Complete specification of the data to be recorded/merged. Allows overdubbing of pitch‑bend, program changes, modulation etc *SET FLAGS Numeric positioning of location and edit flags in either SMPTE or musical time *SONG CONSTRUCTION Large‑scale cut and paste of individual measures, verses or chorus, by means of bounding box and drag‑n‑drop mouse selections *TEMPO MAP Tempo change using a variety of linear and non‑linear transition curves *TEMPO PALETTE Instant tempo changes courtesy of four user‑definable settings. *TIMELINE SCORING Sequencing of a selection of songs over a defined period — ideal for planning an entire set for a live performance. *TOOLBOX Selection screen for the hundreds of signal‑processing tools available *TRACKS Opens the main track window to enable recording, editing and the use of tools. *TRANSPORT Main playback control window, which also provides access to user‑ defined flags, loop and punch‑in record modes. Bars and Pipes Pro 2.5 is using internal 4-Byte IDs, to check which kind of data are currently processed. Especially in all its files the IDs play an important role. The IDs are stored into the file in the same order they are laid out in the memory. In a Bars 'N' Pipes file (no matter which kind) the ID "NAME" (saved as its ANSI-values) is stored on a big endian system (68k-computer) as "NAME". On a little endian system (x86 PC computer) as "EMAN". The target is to make the AROS-BnP compatible to songs, which were stored on a 68k computer (AMIGA). If possible, setting MIDI channels for Local Control for your keyboard http://www.fromwithin.com/liquidmidi/archive.shtml MIDI files are essentially a stream of event data. An event can be many things, but typically "note on", "note off", "program change", "controller change", or messages that instruct a MIDI compatible synth how to play a given bit of music. * Channel - 1 to 16 - * Messages - PC presets, CC effects like delays, reverbs, etc * Sequencing - MIDI instruments, Drums, Sound design, * Recording - * GUI - Piano roll or Tracker, Staves and Notes MIDI events/messages like step entry e.g. Note On, Note Off MIDI events/messages like PB, PC, CC, Mono and Poly After-Touch, Sysex, etc MIDI sync - Midi Clocks (SPS Measures), Midi Time Code (h, m, s and frames) SMPTE Individual track editing with audition edits so easier to test any changes. Possible to stop track playback, mix clips from the right edit flag and scroll the display using arrow keys. Step entry, to extend a selected note hit the space bar and the note grows accordingly. Ability to cancel mouse‑driven edits by simply clicking the right mouse button — at which point everything snaps back into its original form. Lyrics can now be put in with syllable dividers, even across an entire measure or section. Autoranging when you open a edit window, the notes are automatically displayed — working from the lowest upwards. Flag editing, shift‑click on a flag immediately open the bounds window, ready for numeric input. Ability to cancel edits using the right‑hand mouse button, plus much improved Bounding Box operations. Icons other than the BarsnPipes icon -> PUBSCREEN=BarsnPipes (cannot choose modes higher than 8bit 256 colors) Preferences -> Menu in Tracks window - Send MIDI defaults OFF Prefs -> Environment -> screenmode (saved to BarsnPipes.prefs binary file) Customization -> pics in gui drawer (folder) - Can save as .song files and .mid General Midi SMF is a “Standard Midi File” ([http://www.music.mcgill.ca/~ich/classes/mumt306/StandardMIDIfileformat.html SMF0, SMF1 and SMF2]), [https://github.com/stump/libsmf libsmf], [https://github.com/markc/midicomp MIDIcomp], [https://github.com/MajicDesigns/MD_MIDIFile C++ src], [], [https://github.com/newdigate/midi-smf-reader Midi player], * SMF0 All MIDI data is stored in one track only, separated exclusively by the MIDI channel. * SMF1 The MIDI data is stored in separate tracks/channels. * SMF2 (rarely used) The MIDI data is stored in separate tracks, which are additionally wrapped in containers, so it's possible to have e.g. several tracks using the same MIDI channels. Would it be possible to enrich Bars N’Pipes with software synth and sample support along with audio recording and mastering tools like in the named MAC or PC music sequencers? On the classic AMIGA-OS this is not possible because of missing CPU-power. The hardware of the classic AMIGA is not further developed. So we must say (unfortunately) that those dreams can’t become reality BarsnPipes is best used with external MIDI-equipment. This can be a keyboard or synthesizer with MIDI-connectors. <pre> MIDI can control 16 channels There are USB-MIDI-Interfaces on the market with 16 independent MIDI-lines (multi-port), which can handle 16 MIDI devices independently – 16×16 = 256 independent MIDI-channels or instruments handle up to 16 different USB-MIDI-Interfaces (multi-device). That is: 16X16X16 = 4096 independent MIDI-channels – theoretically </pre> <pre> Librarian MIDI SYStem EXplorer (sysex) - PatchEditor and used to be supplied as a separate program like PatchMeister but currently not at present It should support MIDI.library (PD), BlueRibbon.library (B&P), TriplePlayPlus, and CAMD.library (DeluxeMusic) and MIDI information from a device's user manual and configure a custom interface to access parameters for all MIDI products connected to the system Supports ALL MIDI events and the Patch/Librarian data is stored in MIDI standard format Annette M.Crowling, Missing Link Software, Inc. </pre> Composers <pre> [https://x.com/hirasawa/status/1403686519899054086 Susumu Hirasawa] </pre> <pre> 1988 Todor Fay and his wife Melissa Jordan Gray, who founded the Blue Ribbon Inc 1992 Bars&Pipes Pro published November 2000, Todor Fay announcement to release the sourcecode of Bars&Pipes Pro 2.5c beta end of May 2001, the source of the main program and the sources of some tools and accessories were in a complete and compileable state end of October 2009 stop further development of BarsnPipes New for now on all supported systems and made freeware 2013 Alfred Faust diagnosed with incureable illness, called „Myastenia gravis“ (weak muscles) </pre> Protrekkr How to use Midi In/Out in Protrekkr ? First of all, midi in & out capabilities of this program are rather limited. # Go to Misc. Setup section and select a midi in or out device to use (ptk only supports one device at a time). # Go to instrument section, and select a MIDI PRG (the default is N/A, which means no midi program selected). # Go to track section and here you can assign a midi channel to each track of ptk. # Play notes :]. Note off works. F'x' note cut command also works too, and note-volume command (speed) is supported. Also, you can change midicontrollers in the tracker, using '90' in the panning row: <pre> C-3 02 .. .. 0000.... --- .. .. 90 xxyy.... << This will set the value --- .. .. .. 0000.... of the controller n.'xx' to 'yy' (both in hex) --- .. .. .. 0000.... </pre> So "--- .. .. 90 2040...." will set the controller number $20(32) to $40(64). You will need the midi implementation table of your gear to know what you can change with midi controller messages. N.B. Not all MIDI devices are created equal! Although the MIDI specification defines a large range of MIDI messages of various kinds, not every MIDI device is required to work in exactly the same way and respond to all the available messages and ways of working. For example, we don't expect a wind synthesiser to work in the same way as a home keyboard. Some devices, the older ones perhaps, are only able to respond to a single channel. With some of those devices that channel can be altered from the default of 1 (probably) to another channel of the 16 possible. Other devices, for instance monophonic synthesisers, are capable of producing just one note at a time, on one MIDI channel. Others can produce many notes spread across many channels. Further devices can respond to, and transmit, "breath controller" data (MIDI controller number 2 (CC#2)) others may respond to the reception of CC#2 but not be able to create and to send it. A controller keyboard may be capable of sending "expression pedal" data, but another device may not be capable of responding to that message. Some devices just have the basic GM sound set. The "voice" or "instrument" is selected using a "Program Change" message on its own. Other devices have a greater selection of voices, usually arranged in "banks", and the choice of instrument is made by responding to "Bank Select MSB" (MIDI controller 0 (CC#0)), others use "Bank Select LSB" (MIDI controller number 32 (CC#32)), yet others use both MSB and LSB sent one after the other, all followed by the Program Change message. The detailed information about all the different voices will usually be available in a published MIDI Data List. MIDI Implementation Chart But in the User Manual there is sometimes a summary of how the device works, in terms of MIDI, in the chart at the back of the manual, the MIDI Implementation Chart. If you require two devices to work together you can compare the two implementation charts to see if they are "compatible". In order to do this we will need to interpret that chart. The chart is divided into four columns headed "Function", "Transmitted" (or "Tx"), "Received" (or "Rx"), or more correctly "Recognised", and finally, "Remarks". <pre> The left hand column defines which MIDI functions are being described. The 2nd column defines what the device in question is capable of transmitting to another device. The 3rd column defines what the device is capable of responding to. The 4th column is for explanations of the values contained within these previous two columns. </pre> There should then be twelve sections, with possibly a thirteenth containing extra "Notes". Finally there should be an explanation of the four MIDI "modes" and what the "X" and the "O" mean. <pre> Mode 1: Omni On, Poly; Mode 2: Omni On, Mono; Mode 3: Omni Off, Poly; Mode 4: Omni Off, Mono. </pre> O means "yes" (implemented), X means "no" (not implemented). Sometimes you will find a row of asterisks "**************", these seem to indicate that the data is not applicable in this case. Seen in the transmitted field only (unless you've seen otherwise). Lastly you may find against some entries an asterisk followed by a number e.g. *1, these will refer you to further information, often on a following page, giving more detail. Basic Channel But the very first set of boxes will tell us the "Basic Channel(s)" that the device sends or receives on. "Default" is what happens when the device is first turned on, "changed" is what a switch of some kind may allow the device to be set to. For many devices e.g. a GM sound module or a home keyboard, this would be 1-16 for both. That is it can handle sending and receiving on all MIDI channels. On other devices, for example a synthesiser, it may by default only work on channel 1. But the keyboard could be "split" with the lower notes e.g. on channel 2. If the synth has an arppegiator, this may be able to be set to transmit and or receive on yet another channel. So we might see the default as "1" but the changed as "1-16". Modes. We need to understand Omni On and Off, and Mono and Poly, then we can decipher the four modes. But first we need to understand that any of these four Mode messages can be sent to any MIDI channel. They don't necessarily apply to the whole device. If we send an "Omni On" message (CC#125) to a MIDI channel of a device, we are, in effect, asking it to respond to e.g. a Note On / Off message pair, received on any of the sixteen channels. Sound strange? Read it again. Still strange? It certainly is. We normally want a MIDI channel to respond only to Note On / Off messages sent on that channel, not any other. In other words, "Omni Off". So "Omni Off" (CC#124) tells a channel of our MIDI device to respond only to messages sent on that MIDI channel. "Poly" (CC#127) is for e.g. a channel of a polyphonic sound module, or a home keyboard, to be able to respond to many simultaneous Note On / Off message pairs at once and produce musical chords. "Mono" (CC#126) allows us to set a channel to respond as if it were e.g. a flute or a trumpet, playing just one note at a time. If the device is capable of it, then the overlapping of notes will produce legato playing, that is the attack portion of the second note of two overlapping notes will be removed resulting in a "smoother" transition. So a channel with a piano voice assigned to it will have Omni Off, Poly On (Mode 3), a channel with a saxophone voice assigned could be Omni Off, Mono On (Mode 4). We call these combinations the four modes, 1 to 4, as defined above. Most modern devices will have their channels set to Mode 3 (Omni Off, Poly) but be switchable, on a per channel basis, to Mode 4 (Omni Off, Mono). This second section of data will include first its default value i.e. upon device switch on. Then what Mode messages are acceptable, or X if none. Finally, in the "Altered" field, how a Mode message that can't be implemented will be interpreted. Usually there will just be a row of asterisks effectively meaning nothing will be done if you try to switch to an unimplemented mode. Note Number <pre> The next row will tell us which MIDI notes the device can send or receive, normally 0-127. The second line, "True Voice" has the following in the MIDI specification: "Range of received note numbers falling within the range of true notes produced by the instrument." My interpretation is that, for instance, a MIDI piano may be capable of sending all MIDI notes (0 to 127) by transposition, but only responding to the 88 notes (21 to 108) of a real piano. </pre> Velocity This will tell us whether the device we're looking at will handle note velocity, and what range from 1-127, or maybe just 64, it transmits or will recognise. So usually "O" plus a range or "X" for not implemented. After touch This may have one or two lines two it. If a one liner the either "O" or "X", yes or no. If a two liner then it may include "Keys" or "Poly" and "Channel". This will show whether the device will respond to Polyphonic after touch or channel after touch or neither. Pitch Bend Again "O" for implemented, "X" for not implemented. (Many stage pianos will have no pitch bend capability.) It may also, in the notes section, state whether it will respond to the full 14 bits, or not, as usually encoded by the pitch bend wheel. Control Change This is likely to be the largest section of the chart. It will list all those controllers, starting from CC#0, Bank Select MSB, which the device is capable of sending, and those that it will respond to using "O" or "X" respectively. You will, almost certainly, get some further explanation of functionality in the remarks column, or in more detail elsewhere in the documentation. Of course you will need to know what all the various controller numbers do. Lots of the official technical specifications can be found at the [www.midi.org/techspecs/ MMA], with the table of messages and control change [www.midi.org/techspecs/midimessages.php message numbers] Program Change Again "O" or "X" in the Transmitted or Recognised column to indicate whether or not the feature is implemented. In addition a range of numbers is shown, typically 0-127, to show what is available. True # (number): "The range of the program change numbers which correspond to the actual number of patches selected." System Exclusive Used to indicate whether or not the device can send or recognise System Exclusive messages. A short description is often given in the Remarks field followed by a detailed explanation elsewhere in the documentation. System Common - These include the following: <pre> MIDI Time Code Quarter Frame messages (device synchronisation). Song Position Pointer Song Select Tune Request </pre> The section will indicate whether or not the device can send or respond to any of these messages. System Real Time These include the following: <pre> Timing Clock - often just written as "Clock" Start Stop Continue </pre> These three are usually just referred to as "Commands" and listed. Again the section will indicate which, if any, of these messages the device can send or respond to. <pre> Aux. Messages Again "O" or "X" for implemented or not. Aux. = Auxiliary. Active Sense = Active Sensing. </pre> Often with an explanation of the action of the device. Notes The "Notes" section can contain any additional comments to clarify the particular implementation. Some of the explanations have been drawn directly from the MMA MIDI 1.0 Detailed Specification. And the detailed explanation of some of the functions will be found there, or in the General MIDI System Level 1 or General MIDI System Level 2 documents also published by the MMA. OFFICIAL MIDI SPECIFICATIONS SUMMARY OF MIDI MESSAGES Table 1 - Summary of MIDI Messages The following table lists the major MIDI messages in numerical (binary) order (adapted from "MIDI by the Numbers" by D. Valenti, Electronic Musician 2/88, and updated by the MIDI Manufacturers Association.). This table is intended as an overview of MIDI, and is by no means complete. WARNING! Details about implementing these messages can dramatically impact compatibility with other products. We strongly recommend consulting the official MIDI Specifications for additional information. MIDI 1.0 Specification Message Summary Channel Voice Messages [nnnn = 0-15 (MIDI Channel Number 1-16)] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Status D7----D0 ! width="10%" |Data Byte(s) D7----D0 ! width="20%" |Description |- |<!--Status-->1000nnnn || <!--Data-->0kkkkkkk 0vvvvvvv || <!--Description-->Note Off event. This message is sent when a note is released (ended). (kkkkkkk) is the key (note) number. (vvvvvvv) is the velocity. |- |<!--Status-->1001nnnn || <!--Data-->0kkkkkkk 0vvvvvvv || <!--Description-->Note On event. This message is sent when a note is depressed (start). (kkkkkkk) is the key (note) number. (vvvvvvv) is the velocity. |- |<!--Status-->1010nnnn || <!--Data-->0kkkkkkk 0vvvvvvv || <!--Description-->Polyphonic Key Pressure (Aftertouch). This message is most often sent by pressing down on the key after it "bottoms out". (kkkkkkk) is the key (note) number. (vvvvvvv) is the pressure value. |- |<!--Status-->1011nnnn || <!--Data-->0ccccccc 0vvvvvvv || <!--Description-->Control Change. This message is sent when a controller value changes. Controllers include devices such as pedals and levers. Controller numbers 120-127 are reserved as "Channel Mode Messages" (below). (ccccccc) is the controller number (0-119). (vvvvvvv) is the controller value (0-127). |- |<!--Status-->1100nnnn || <!--Data-->0ppppppp || <!--Description-->Program Change. This message sent when the patch number changes. (ppppppp) is the new program number. |- |<!--Status-->1101nnnn || <!--Data-->0vvvvvvv || <!--Description-->Channel Pressure (After-touch). This message is most often sent by pressing down on the key after it "bottoms out". This message is different from polyphonic after-touch. Use this message to send the single greatest pressure value (of all the current depressed keys). (vvvvvvv) is the pressure value. |- |<!--Status-->1110nnnn || <!--Data-->0lllllll 0mmmmmmm || <!--Description-->Pitch Bend Change. This message is sent to indicate a change in the pitch bender (wheel or lever, typically). The pitch bender is measured by a fourteen bit value. Center (no pitch change) is 2000H. Sensitivity is a function of the receiver, but may be set using RPN 0. (lllllll) are the least significant 7 bits. (mmmmmmm) are the most significant 7 bits. |} Channel Mode Messages (See also Control Change, above) {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Status D7----D0 ! width="10%" |Data Byte(s) D7----D0 ! width="20%" |Description |- |<!--Status-->1011nnnn || <!--Data-->0ccccccc 0vvvvvvv || <!--Description-->Channel Mode Messages. This the same code as the Control Change (above), but implements Mode control and special message by using reserved controller numbers 120-127. The commands are: *All Sound Off. When All Sound Off is received all oscillators will turn off, and their volume envelopes are set to zero as soon as possible c = 120, v = 0: All Sound Off *Reset All Controllers. When Reset All Controllers is received, all controller values are reset to their default values. (See specific Recommended Practices for defaults) c = 121, v = x: Value must only be zero unless otherwise allowed in a specific Recommended Practice. *Local Control. When Local Control is Off, all devices on a given channel will respond only to data received over MIDI. Played data, etc. will be ignored. Local Control On restores the functions of the normal controllers. c = 122, v = 0: Local Control Off c = 122, v = 127: Local Control On * All Notes Off. When an All Notes Off is received, all oscillators will turn off. c = 123, v = 0: All Notes Off (See text for description of actual mode commands.) c = 124, v = 0: Omni Mode Off c = 125, v = 0: Omni Mode On c = 126, v = M: Mono Mode On (Poly Off) where M is the number of channels (Omni Off) or 0 (Omni On) c = 127, v = 0: Poly Mode On (Mono Off) (Note: These four messages also cause All Notes Off) |} System Common Messages System Messages (0xF0) The final status nybble is a “catch all” for data that doesn’t fit the other statuses. They all use the most significant nybble (4bits) of 0xF, with the least significant nybble indicating the specific category. The messages are denoted when the MSB of the second nybble is 1. When that bit is a 0, the messages fall into two other subcategories. System Common If the MSB of the second second nybble (4 bits) is not set, this indicates a System Common message. Most of these are messages that include some additional data bytes. System Common Messages Type Status Byte Number of Data Bytes Usage <pre> Time Code Quarter Frame 0xF1 1 Indicates timing using absolute time code, primarily for synthronization with video playback systems. A single location requires eight messages to send the location in an encoded hours:minutes:seconds:frames format*. Song Position 0xF2 2 Instructs a sequencer to jump to a new position in the song. The data bytes form a 14-bit value that expresses the location as the number of sixteenth notes from the start of the song. Song Select 0xF3 1 Instructs a sequencer to select a new song. The data byte indicates the song. Undefined 0xF4 0 Undefined 0xF5 0 Tune Request 0xF6 0 Requests that the receiver retunes itself**. </pre> *MIDI Time Code (MTC) is significantly complex. Please see the MIDI Specification **While modern digital instruments are good at staying in tune, older analog synthesizers were prone to tuning drift. Some analog synthesizers had an automatic tuning operation that could be initiated with this command. System Exclusive If you’ve been keeping track, you’ll notice there are two status bytes not yet defined: 0xf0 and 0xf7. These are used by the System Exclusive message, often abbreviated at SysEx. SysEx provides a path to send arbitrary data over a MIDI connection. There is a group of predefined messages for complex data, like fine grained control of MIDI Time code machinery. SysEx is also used to send manufacturer defined data, such as patches, or even firmware updates. System Exclusive messages are longer than other MIDI messages, and can be any length. The messages are of the following format: 0xF0, 0xID, 0xdd, ...... 0xF7 The message is bookended with distinct bytes. It opens with the Start Of Exclusive (SOX) data byte, 0xF0. The next one to three bytes after the start are an identifier. Values from 0x01 to 0x7C are one-byte vendor IDs, assigned to manufacturers who were involved with MIDI at the beginning. If the ID is 0x00, it’s a three-byte vendor ID - the next two bytes of the message are the value. <pre> ID 0x7D is a placeholder for non-commercial entities. ID 0x7E indicates a predefined Non-realtime SysEx message. ID 0x7F indicates a predefined Realtime SysEx message. </pre> After the ID is the data payload, sent as a stream of bytes. The transfer concludes with the End of Exclusive (EOX) byte, 0xF7. The payload data must follow the guidelines for MIDI data bytes – the MSB must not be set, so only 7 bits per byte are actually usable. If the MSB is set, it falls into three possible scenarios. An End of Exclusive byte marks the ordinary termination of the SysEx transfer. System Real Time messages may occur within the transfer without interrupting it. The recipient should handle them independently of the SysEx transfer. Other status bytes implicitly terminate the SysEx transfer and signal the start of new messages. Some inexpensive USB-to-MIDI interfaces aren’t capable of handling messages longer than four bytes. {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Status D7----D0 ! width="10%" |Data Byte(s) D7----D0 ! width="20%" |Description |- |<!--Status-->11110000 || <!--Data-->0iiiiiii [0iiiiiii 0iiiiiii] 0ddddddd --- --- 0ddddddd 11110111 || <!--Description-->System Exclusive. This message type allows manufacturers to create their own messages (such as bulk dumps, patch parameters, and other non-spec data) and provides a mechanism for creating additional MIDI Specification messages. The Manufacturer's ID code (assigned by MMA or AMEI) is either 1 byte (0iiiiiii) or 3 bytes (0iiiiiii 0iiiiiii 0iiiiiii). Two of the 1 Byte IDs are reserved for extensions called Universal Exclusive Messages, which are not manufacturer-specific. If a device recognizes the ID code as its own (or as a supported Universal message) it will listen to the rest of the message (0ddddddd). Otherwise, the message will be ignored. (Note: Only Real-Time messages may be interleaved with a System Exclusive.) |- |<!--Status-->11110001 || <!--Data-->0nnndddd || <!--Description-->MIDI Time Code Quarter Frame. nnn = Message Type dddd = Values |- |<!--Status-->11110010 || <!--Data-->0lllllll 0mmmmmmm || <!--Description-->Song Position Pointer. This is an internal 14 bit register that holds the number of MIDI beats (1 beat= six MIDI clocks) since the start of the song. l is the LSB, m the MSB. |- |<!--Status-->11110011 || <!--Data-->0sssssss || <!--Description-->Song Select. The Song Select specifies which sequence or song is to be played. |- |<!--Status-->11110100 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Undefined. (Reserved) |- |<!--Status-->11110101 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Undefined. (Reserved) |- |<!--Status-->11110110 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Tune Request. Upon receiving a Tune Request, all analog synthesizers should tune their oscillators. |- |<!--Status-->11110111 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->End of Exclusive. Used to terminate a System Exclusive dump. |} System Real-Time Messages {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Status D7----D0 ! width="10%" |Data Byte(s) D7----D0 ! width="20%" |Description |- |<!--Status-->11111000 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Timing Clock. Sent 24 times per quarter note when synchronization is required. |- |<!--Status-->11111001 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Undefined. (Reserved) |- |<!--Status-->11111010 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Start. Start the current sequence playing. (This message will be followed with Timing Clocks). |- |<!--Status-->11111011 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Continue. Continue at the point the sequence was Stopped. |- |<!--Status-->11111100 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Stop. Stop the current sequence. |- |<!--Status-->11111101 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Undefined. (Reserved) |- |<!--Status-->11111110 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Active Sensing. This message is intended to be sent repeatedly to tell the receiver that a connection is alive. Use of this message is optional. When initially received, the receiver will expect to receive another Active Sensing message each 300ms (max), and if it does not then it will assume that the connection has been terminated. At termination, the receiver will turn off all voices and return to normal (non- active sensing) operation. |- |<!--Status-->11111111 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Reset. Reset all receivers in the system to power-up status. This should be used sparingly, preferably under manual control. In particular, it should not be sent on power-up. |} Advanced Messages Polyphonic Pressure (0xA0) and Channel Pressure (0xD0) Some MIDI controllers include a feature known as Aftertouch. While a key is being held down, the player can press harder on the key. The controller measures this, and converts it into MIDI messages. Aftertouch comes in two flavors, with two different status messages. The first flavor is polyphonic aftertouch, where every key on the controller is capable of sending its own independent pressure information. The messages are of the following format: <pre> 0xnc, 0xkk, 0xpp n is the status (0xA) c is the channel nybble kk is the key number (0 to 127) pp is the pressure value (0 to 127) </pre> Polyphonic aftertouch is an uncommon feature, usually found on premium quality instruments, because every key requires a separate pressure sensor, plus the circuitry to read them all. Much more commonly found is channel aftertouch. Instead of needing a discrete sensor per key, it uses a single, larger sensor to measure pressure on all of the keys as a group. The messages omit the key number, leaving a two-byte format <pre> 0xnc, 0xpp n is the status (0xD) c is the channel number pp is the pressure value (0 to 127) </pre> Pitch Bend (0xE0) Many keyboards have a wheel or lever towards the left of the keys for pitch bend control. This control is usually spring-loaded, so it snaps back to the center of its range when released. This allows for both upward and downward bends. Pitch Bend Wheel The wheel sends pitch bend messages, of the format <pre> 0xnc, 0xLL, 0xMM n is the status (0xE) c is the channel number LL is the 7 least-significant bits of the value MM is the 7 most-significant bits of the value </pre> You’ll notice that the bender data is actually 14 bits long, transmitted as two 7-bit data bytes. This means that the recipient needs to reassemble those bytes using binary manipulation. 14 bits results in an overall range of 214, or 0 to 16,383. Because it defaults to the center of the range, the default value for the bender is halfway through that range, at 8192 (0x2000). Control Change (0xB0) In addition to pitch bend, MIDI has provisions for a wider range of expressive controls, sometimes known as continuous controllers, often abbreviated CC. These are transmitted by the remaining knobs and sliders on the keyboard controller shown below. Continuous Controllers These controls send the following message format: <pre> 0xnc, 0xcc, 0xvv n is the status (0xB) c is the MIDI channel cc is the controller number (0-127) vv is the controller value (0-127) </pre> Typically, the wheel next to the bender sends controller number one, assigned to modulation (or vibrato) depth. It is implemented by most instruments. The remaining controller number assignments are another point of confusion. The MIDI specification was revised in version 2.0 to assign uses for many of the controllers. However, this implementation is not universal, and there are ranges of unassigned controllers. On many modern MIDI devices, the controllers are assignable. On the controller keyboard shown in the photos, the various controls can be configured to transmit different controller numbers. Controller numbers can be mapped to particular parameters. Virtual synthesizers frequently allow the user to assign CCs to the on-screen controls. This is very flexible, but it might require configuration on both ends of the link and completely bypasses the assignments in the standard. Program Change (0xC0) Most synthesizers have patch storage memory, and can be told to change patches using the following command: <pre> 0xnc, 0xpp n is the status (0xc) c is the channel pp is the patch number (0-127) </pre> This allows for 128 sounds to be selected, but modern instruments contain many more than 128 patches. Controller #0 is used as an additional layer of addressing, interpreted as a “bank select” command. Selecting a sound on such an instrument might involve two messages: a bank select controller message, then a program change. Audio & Midi are not synchronized, what I can do ? Buy a commercial software package but there is a nasty trick to synchronize both. It's a bit hardcore but works for me: Simply put one line down to all midi notes on your pattern (use Insert key) and go to 'Misc. Setup', adjust the latency and just search a value that will make sound sync both audio/midi. The stock Sin/Saw/Pulse and Rnd waveforms are too simple/common, is there a way to use something more complex/rich ? You have to ability to redirect the waveforms of the instruments through the synth pipe by selecting the "wav" option for the oscillator you're using for this synth instrument, samples can be used as wavetables to replace the stock signals. Sound banks like soundfont (sf2) or Kontakt2 are not supported at the moment ====DAW Audio Evolution 4==== Audio Evolution 4 gives you unsurpassed power for digital audio recording and editing on the Amiga. The latest release focusses on time-saving non-linear and non-destructive editing, as seen on other platforms. Besides editing, Audio Evolution 4 offers a wide range of realtime effects, including compression, noise gate, delays, reverb, chorus and 3-band EQ. Whether you put them as inserts on a channel or use them as auxillaries, the effect parameters are realtime adjustable and can be fully automated. Together with all other mixing parameters, they can even be controlled remotely, using more ergonomic MIDI hardware. Non-linear editing on the time line, including cut, copy, paste, move, split, trim and crossfade actions The number of tracks per project(s) is unlimited .... AHI limits you to recording only two at a time. i.e. not on 8 track sound cards like the Juli@ or Phase 88. sample file import is limited to 16bit AIFF (not AIFC, important distinction as some files from other sources can be AIFC with aiff file extention). and 16bit WAV (pcm only) Most apps use the Music Unit only but a few apps also use Unit (0-3) instead or as well. * Set up AHI prefs so that microphone is available. (Input option near the bottom) stereo++ allows the audio piece to be placed anywhere and the left-right adjusted to sound positionally right hifi best for music playback if driver supports this option Load 16bit .aif .aiff only sample(s) to use not AIFC which can have the same ending. AIFF stands for Audio Interchange File Format sox recital.wav recital.aiff sox recital.wav −b 16 recital.aiff channels 1 rate 16k fade 3 norm sox input.wav output.aiff bass −b 16 rate 48k performs the same format translation, but also applies four effects (down-mix to one channel, sample rate change, fade-in, nomalize), and stores the result at a bit-depth of 16. rec −c 2 radio.aiff trim 0 30:00 records half an hour of stereo audio play existing-file.wav 24bit PCM WAV or AIFF do not work *No stream format handling. So no way to pass on an AC3 encoded stream unmodified to the digital outputs through AHI. *No master volume handling. Each application has to set its own volume. So each driver implements its own custom driver-mixer interface for handling master volumes, mute and preamps. *Only one output stream. So all input gets mixed into one output. *No automatic handling of output direction based on connected cables. *No monitor input selection. Only monitor volume control. select the correct input (Don't mistake enabled sound for the correct input.) The monitor will feedback audio to the lineout and hp out no matter if you have selected the correct input to the ADC. The monitor will provide sound for any valid input. This will result in free mixing when recording from the monitor input instead of mic/line because the monitor itself will provide the hardware mixing for you. Be aware that MIC inputs will give two channel mono. Only Linein will give real stereo. Now for the not working part. Attempt to record from linein in the AE4 record window, the right channel is noise and the left channel is distorted. Even with the recommended HIFI 16bit Stereo++ mode at 48kHz. Channels Monitor Gain Inout Output Advanced settings - Debugging via serial port * Options -> Soundcard In/Out * Options -> SampleRate * Options -> Preferences F6 for Sample File List Setting a grid is easy as is measuring the BPM by marking a section of the sample. Is your kick drum track "not in time" ? If so, you're stumped in AE4 as it has no fancy variable time signatures and definitely no 'track this dodgy rhythm' function like software of the nature of Logic has. So if your drum beat is freeform you will need to work in freeform mode. (Real music is free form anyway). If the drum *is* accurate and you are just having trouble measuring the time, I usually measure over a range of bars and set the number of beats in range to say 16 as this is more accurate, Then you will need to shift the drum track to match your grid *before* applying the grid. (probably an iterative process as when the grid is active samples snap to it, and when inactive you cannot see it). AE4 does have ARexx but the functions are more for adding samples at set offsets and starting playback / recording. These are the usual features found in DAWs... * Recording digital audio, midi sequencer and mixer * virtual VST instruments and plug-ins * automation, group channels, MIDI channels, FX sends and returns, audio and MIDI editors and music notation editor * different track views * mixer and track layout (but not the same as below) * traditional two windows (track and mixer) Mixing - mixdown Could not figure out how to select what part I wanted to send to the aux, set it to echo and return. Pretty much the whole echo effect. Or any effect. Take look at page17 of the manual. When you open the EQ / Aux send popup window you will see 4 sends. Now from the menu choose the windows menu. Menus->Windows-> Aux Returns Window or press F5 You will see a small window with 4 volume controls and an effects button for each. Click a button and add an effects to that aux channel, then set it up as desired (note the reverb effect has a special AUX setting that improves its use with the aux channel, not compulsory but highly useful). You set the amount of 'return' on the main mix in the Aux Return window, and the amount sent from each main mixer channel in the popup for that channel. Again the aux sends are "prefade" so the volume faders on each channel do not affect them. Tracking Effects - fade in To add some echoes to some vocals, tried to add an effect on a track but did not come out. This is made more complicated as I wanted to mute a vocal but then make it echo at the muting point. Want to have one word of a vocal heard and then echoed off. But when the track is mute the echo is cancelled out. To correctly understand what is happening here you need to study the figure at the bottom of page 15 on the manual. You will see from that that the effects are applied 'prefade' So the automation you applied will naturally mute the entire signal. There would be a number of ways to achieve the goal, You have three real time effects slots, one for smoothing like so Sample -> Amplify -> Delay Then automate the gain of the amplify block so that it effectively mutes the sample just before the delay at the appropriate moment, the echo effect should then be heard. Getting the effects in the right order will require experimentation as they can only be added top down and it's not obvious which order they are applied to the signal, but there only two possibilities, so it wont take long to find out. Using MUTE can cause clicks to the Amplify can be used to mute more smoothly so that's a secondary advantage. Signal Processing - Overdub [[#top|...to the top]] ===Office=== ====Spreadsheet Leu==== Support for some xlsx, and ods functions ====Spreadsheet Ignition==== ; Needs ABIv1 to be completed before more can be done File formats supported * ascii #?.txt and #?.csv (single sheets with data only). * igs and TurboCalc(WIP) #?.tc for all sheets with data, formats and formulas. There is '''no''' support for xls, xlsx, ods or uos ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Office_Format Uniform Unified Office Format]) at the moment. * Always use Esc key after editing Spreadsheet cells. * copy/paste seems to copy the first instance only so go to Edit -> Clipboard to manage the list of remembered actions. * Right mouse click on row (1 or 2 or 3) or column header (a or b or c) to access optimal height or width of the row or column respectively * Edit -> Insert -> Row seems to clear the spreadsheet or clears the rows after the inserted row until undo restores as it should be... Change Sheet name by Object -> Sheet -> Properties Click in the cell which will contain the result, and click '''down arrow button''' to the right of the formula box at the bottom of the spreadsheet and choose the function required from the list provided. Then click on the start cell and click on the bottom right corner, a '''very''' small blob, which allows stretching a bounding box (thick grey outlines) across many cells This grey bounding box can be used to '''copy a formula''' to other cells. Object -> Cell -> Properties to change cell format - Currency only covers DM and not $, Euro, Renminbi, Yen or Pound etc. Shift key and arrow keys selects a range of cells, so that '''formatting can be done to all highlighted cells'''. View -> Overview then select ALL with one click (in empty cell in the top left hand corner of the sheet). Default mode is relative cell referencing e.g. a1+a2 but absolute e.g. $a$1+$a$2 can be entered. * #sheet-name to '''absolute''' reference another sheet-name cell unless reference() function used. ;Graphs use shift key and arrow keys to select a bunch of cells to be graph'ed making sure that x axes represents and y axes represents * value() - 0 value, 1 percent, 2 date, 3 time, 4 unit ... ;Dates * Excel starts a running count from the 1st Jan 1900 and Ignition starts from 1st Jan 1AD '''(maybe this needs to change)''' Set formatting Object -> Cell -> Properties and put date in days ;Time Set formatting Object -> Cell -> Properties and put time in seconds taken ;Database (to be done by someone else) type - standard, reference (bezug), search criterion (suchkriterium), * select a bunch of cells and Object -> Database -> Define to set Datenbank (database) and Felder (fields not sure how?) * Neu (new) or loschen (delete) to add/remove database headings e.g. Personal, Start Date, Finish Date (one per row?) * Object -> Database -> Index to add fields (felder) like Surname, First Name, Employee ID, etc. to ? Filtering done with dbfilter(), dbproduct() and dbposition(). Activities with dbsum(), dbaverage(), dbmin() and dbmax(). Table sorting - ;Scripts (Arexx) ;Excel(TM) to Ignition - commas ''',''' replaced by semi-colons ''';''' to separate values within functions *SUM(), *AVERAGE(), MAX(), MIN(), INT(), PRODUCT(), MEDIAN(), VAR() becomes Variance(), Percentile(), *IF(), AND, OR, NOT *LEFT(), RIGHT(), MID() becomes MIDDLE(), LEN() becomes LENGTH(), *LOWER() becomes LOWERCASE(), UPPER() becomes UPPERCASE(), * DATE(yyyy,mm,dd) becomes COMPUTEDATE(dd;mm;yyyy), *TODAY(), DAY(),WEEK(), MONTH(),=YEAR(TODAY()), *EOMONTH() becomes MONTHLENGTH(), *NOW() should be date and time becomes time only, SECOND(), MINUTE(), HOUR(), *DBSUM() becomes DSUM(), ;Missing and possibly useful features/functions needed for ignition to have better support of Excel files There is no Merge and Join Text over many cells, no protect and/or freeze row or columns or books but can LOCK sheets, no define bunch of cells as a name, Macros (Arexx?), conditional formatting, no Solver, no Goal Seek, no Format Painter, no AutoFill, no AutoSum function button, no pivot tables, (30 argument limit applies to Excel) *HLOOKUP(), VLOOKUP(), [http://production-scheduling.com/excel-index-function-most-useful/ INDEX(), MATCH()], CHOOSE(), TEXT(), *TRIM(), FIND(), SUBSTITUTE(), CONCATENATE() or &, PROPER(), REPT(), *[https://acingexcel.com/excel-sumproduct-function/ SUMPRODUCT()], ROUND(), ROUNDUP(), *ROUNDDOWN(), COUNT(), COUNTA(), SUMIF(), COUNTIF(), COUNTBLANK(), TRUNC(), *PMT(), PV(), FV(), POWER(), SQRT(), MODE(), TRUE, FALSE, *MODE(), LARGE(), SMALL(), RANK(), STDEV(), *DCOUNT(), DCOUNTA(), WEEKDAY(), ;Excel Keyboard [http://dmcritchie.mvps.org/excel/shortx2k.htm shortcuts needed to aid usability in Ignition] <pre> Ctrl Z - Undo Ctrl D - Fill Down Ctrl R - Fill right Ctrl F - Find Ctrl H - Replace Ctrl 1 - Formatting of Cells CTRL SHIFT ~ Apply General Formatting ie a number Ctrl ; - Todays Date F2 - Edit cell F4 - toggle cell absolute / relative cell references </pre> ====Document Scanning - Scandal==== Scanner usually needs to be connected via a USB port and not via a hub or extension lead. Check in Trident Prefs -> Devices that the USB Scanner is not bound to anything (e.g. Bindings None) If not found then reboot the computer and recheck. Start Scandal, choose Settings from Menu strip at top of screen and in Scanner Driver choose the ?#.device of the scanner (e.g. epson2.device). The next two boxes - leave empty as they are for morphos SCSI use only or put ata.device (use the selection option in bigger box below) and Unit as 0 this is needed for gt68xx * gt68xx - no editing needed in s/gt68xx.conf but needs a firmware file that corresponds to the scanner [http://www.meier-geinitz.de/sane/gt68xx-backend/ gt68xx firmwares] in sys:s/gt68xx. * epson2 - Need to edit the file epson2.conf in sys/s that corresponds to the scanner being used '''Save''' the settings but do not press the Use button (aros freezes) Back to the Picture Scan window and the right-hand sections. Click on the '''Information''' tab and press Connect button and the scanner should now be detected. Go next to the '''Scanner''' tab next to Information Tab should have Color, Black and White, etc. and dpi settings now. Selecting an option Color, B/W etc. can cause dpi settings corruption (especially if the settings are in one line) so set '''dpi first'''. Make sure if Preview is set or not. In the '''Scan''' Tab, press Scan and the scanner will do its duty. Be aware that nothing is saved to disk yet. In the Save tab, change format JPEG, PNG or IFF DEEP. Tick incremental and base filename if necessary and then click the Save button. The image will now be saved to permanent storage. The driver ignores a device if it is already bond to another USB class, rejects it from being usable. However, open Trident prefs, select your device and use the right mouse button to open. Select "NONE" to prevent poseidon from touching the device. Now save settings. It should always work now. [[#top|...to the top]] ===Emulators=== ==== Amiberry ==== ==== Amiga Emu - Janus UAE ==== With Amibridge, AROS attempts to make the UAE emulator seem embedded within but it still is acting as an app There is no dynarec m68k for each hardware that Aros supports or direct patching of motorola calls to AROS hardware accelerated ones unless the emulator has that included Try starting Janus with a priority of -1 like this little script: <pre> cd sys:system/AmiBridge/emulator changetaskpri -1 run janus-uae -f my_uaerc.config >nil: cd sys:prefs endcli </pre> This stops Janus hogging all the CPU time. ===Miscellaneous=== ====Screensaver Blanker==== Most blankers on the amiga (i.e. aros) run as commodities (they are in the tools/commodities drawer). Double click on blanker. Control is with an app called Exchange, which you need to run first (double click on app) or run QUIET sys:tools/commodities/Exchange >NIL: but subsequently can use (Cntrl Alt h). Icon tool types (may be broken) or command line options <pre> seconds=number </pre> Once the timing is right then add the following to s:icaros-sequence or s:user-startup e.g. for 5 minutes run QUIET sys:tools/commodities/Blanker seconds=300 >NIL: *[http://archives.aros-exec.org/index.php?function=showfile&file=graphics/screenblanker/gblanker.i386-aros.zip Garshneblanker] can make Aros unstable or slow. Certain blankers crashes in Icaros 2.0.x like Dragon, Executor. *[ Acuario AROS version], the aquarium screen saver. Startup: extras:acuariofv-aros/acuario Kill: c:break name=extras:acuariofv-aros/acuario Managed to start Acuario by the Executor blanker. <pre> cx_priority= cx_popkey= ie CX_POPKEY="Shift F1" cx_popup=Yes or No </pre> <pre> Qualifier String Input Event Class ---------------- ----------------- "lshift" IEQUALIFIER_LSHIFT "rshift" IEQUALIFIER_RSHIFT "capslock" IEQUALIFIER_CAPSLOCK "control" IEQUALIFIER_CONTROL "lalt" IEQUALIFIER_LALT "ralt" IEQUALIFIER_RALT "lcommand" IEQUALIFIER_LCOMMAND "rcommand" IEQUALIFIER_RCOMMAND "numericpad" IEQUALIFIER_NUMERICPAD "repeat" IEQUALIFIER_REPEAT "midbutton" IEQUALIFIER_MIDBUTTON "rbutton" IEQUALIFIER_RBUTTON "leftbutton" IEQUALIFIER_LEFTBUTTON "relativemouse" IEQUALIFIER_RELATIVEMOUSE </pre> <pre> Synonym Synonym String Identifier ------- ---------- "shift" IXSYM_SHIFT /* look for either shift key */ "caps" IXSYM_CAPS /* look for either shift key or capslock */ "alt" IXSYM_ALT /* look for either alt key */ Highmap is one of the following strings: "space", "backspace", "tab", "enter", "return", "esc", "del", "up", "down", "right", "left", "f1", "f2", "f3", "f4", "f5", "f6", "f7", "f8", "f9", "f10", "help". </pre> [[#top|...to the top]] ==== World Construction Set WCS (Version 2.031) ==== WCS is a fractal landscape software such as Scenery Animator, Vista Pro and Panorama. Open sourced February 2022, World Construction Set [https://3dnature.com/downloads/legacy-software/ legally and for free] and [https://github.com/AlphaPixel/3DNature c source]. Announced August 1994 this version dates from April 1996 developed by Gary R. Huber and Chris "Xenon" Hanson" from Questar <pre> Assign "WCSProjects:" "Volume:Dir/Dir/WCSProjects" Assign "WCSFrames:" "Volume:Dir/Dir/WCSFrames" </pre> <pre> Load projects .proj by accessing pull down menu Project -> Open then click on CanyonSunset.proj OK to changing .par file and enlarge Status Log window to show what is happening Render by pull down menu Modules -> Render with End equal 1 not 300 then click bottom middle button Render </pre> [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxQDmf1ZWG0 Youtube walkthrough of above], [], [], Also try working with the already built file ColoDemo - Then open with the drop-down menu: Project/Open, then WCSProject:ColoDemo.proj Which allows you to use altimetric DEM files already included and Loading scene parameters from ColoDemo.par Once this is done, save everything with a new name to start working exclusively on your project. Then drop-down menu and select Save As ("NewName".proj name), then drop-down menu to open parameter and select Save All ( .par name) After launching the software, there is a the Module Control Panel composed of five icons. It is a dock type shortcut of the first few functions of the drop-down menu *Database - Load (#?.proj), Append, Create, Edit, Save, Dir List (of WCSProject drawer), *Data Ops - Extract / Convert Interp DEM, Import DLG, DXF, WDB and export LW map 3d formats *Map View - Database file Loader leading to Map View Control with option to the Database Editor *Parameters - Editor for Motion, Color, Ecosystem, Clouds, Waves, management of altimeter files DEM, sclock settings etc *Render - rendering terrain These are more in the pull down menu but not in the dock *Motion Editor *Color Editor *Ecosys Editor Simple minimal workflow *Load database (1st icon - 1st) *Set parameters and save .par file (4th icon) *Render scene (5th icon) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbTwwR2qcc4 Youtube], [], <pre> .proj new project name which creates a drawer of additional files .binary array, ascii array .xyz , z buffer, DTED .dt0, vista 1990s dem, iff conversion .Obj with .elev, .frd with .hdr maps, - digital elevation model (DEM) is a 3D representation of elevation data in various formats USGS 7.5MinDEM, .par </pre> Since for the time being no project is loaded, a query window indicates a procedural error when clicking on the rendering icon (right end of the bar). The menu is quite traditional; it varies according to the activity of the windows. To display any altimetric file in the "Mapview" (third icon of the panel), There are three possibilities: * Loading of a demonstration project. * The import of a DEM file, followed by texturing and packaging from the "Database-Editor" and the "Color-Editor". * The creation of an altimetric file in WCS format, then texturing. The altimeter file editing (display in the menu) is only made possible if the "Mapview" window is active. The software is made up of many windows and won't be able to describe them all. Know that "Color-Editor" and the "Data-Editor" comprise sufficient functions for obtaining an almost real rendering quality. You have the possibility of inserting vector objects in the "Data-Editor" (creation of roads, railways, etc.) The Map View (MapView) window *Database - Objects and Topos *View - Align, Center, Zoom, Pan, Move *Draw - Maps and distance *Object - Find, highlight, add points, conform topo, duplicate *Motion - Camera, Focus, path, elevation *Windows - DEM designer, Cloud (.cld) and wave (.wve) editor, You will notice that by selecting this window and simply moving the pointer to various points on the map you will see latitude and longitude values ​​change, along with the height. Drop-down menu and Modules, then select MapView and change the width of the window with the map to arrange it in the best way on the screen. With the Auto button the center. Window that then displays the contents of my DEM file, in this case the Grand Canyon. MapView allows you to observe the shape of the landscape from above ZOOM button Press the Zoom button and then with the pointer position on a point on the map, press the left mouse button and then move to the opposite corner to circumscribe the chosen area and press the left mouse button again, then we will see the enlarged area selected on the map. Would add that there is a box next to the Zoom button that allows the direct insertion of a value which, the larger it is, the smaller the magnification and the smaller the value, the stronger the magnification. At each numerical change you will need to press the DRAW button to update the view. PAN button Under Zoom you will find the PAN button which allows you to move the map at will in all directions by the amount you want. This is done by drawing a line in one direction, then press PAN and point to an area on the map with the pointer and press the left mouse button. At this point, leave it and move the pointer in one direction by drawing a line and press the left mouse button again to trigger the movement of the map on the screen (origin and end points). Do some experiments and then use the Auto button immediately below to recenter everything. There are parameters such as TOPO, VEC to be left checked and immediately below one that allows different views of the map with the Style command (Single, Multi, Surface, Emboss, Slope, Contour), each with its own particularities to highlight different details. Now you have the first basics to manage your project visually on the map. Close the MapView window and go further... Let's start working on ECOSYSTEMS If we select Emboss from the MapView Style command we will have a clear idea of ​​how the landscape appears, realizing that it is a predominantly desert region of our planet. Therefore we will begin to act on any vegetation present and the appearance of the landscape. With WCS we will begin to break down the elements of the landscape by assigning defined characteristics. It will be necessary to determine the classes of the ecosystem (Class) with parameters of Elevation Line (maximum altitude), Relative Elevation (arrangement on basins or convexities with respectively positive or negative parameters), Min Slope and Max Slope (slope). WCS offers the possibility of making ecosystems coexist on the same terrain with the UnderEco function, by setting a Density value. Ecosys Ecosystem Editor Let's open it from Modules, then Ecosys Editor. In the left pane you will find the list of ecosystems referring to the files present in our project. It will be necessary to clean up that box to leave only the Water and Snow landscapes and a few other predefined ones. We can do this by selecting the items and pressing the Remove button (be careful not for all elements the button is activated, therefore they cannot all be eliminated). Once this is done we can start adding new ecosystems. Scroll through the various Unused and as soon as the Name item at the top is activated allowing you to write, type the name of your ecosystem, adding the necessary parameters. <pre> Ecosystem1: Name: RockBase Class: Rock Density: 80 MinSlope: 15 UnderEco: Terrain Ecosystem2: Name: RockIncl Clss: Rock Density: 80 MinSlope: 30 UnderEco: Terrain Ecosystem3: Name: Grass Class Low Veg Density: 50 Height: 1 Elev Line : 1500 Rel El Eff: 5 Max Slope: 10 – Min Slope: 0 UnderEco: Terrain Ecosistema4: Name: Shrubs Class: Low Veg Density: 40 Height: 8 Elev Line: 3000 Rel El Eff: -2 Max Slope: 20 Min Slope : 5 UnderEco: Terrain Ecosistema5: Name: Terrain Class: Ground Density: 100 UnderEco: Terrain </pre> Now we need to identify an intermediate ecosystem that guarantees a smooth transition between all, therefore we select as Understory Ecosystem the one called Terrain in all ecosystems, except Snow and Water . Now we need to 'emerge' the Colorado River in the Canyon and we can do this by raising the sea level to 900 (Sea Level) in the Ecosystem called Water. Please note that the order of the ecosystem list gives priority to those that come after. So our list must have the following order: Water, Snow, Shrubs, RockIncl, RockBase, Terrain. It is possible to carry out all movements with the Swap button at the bottom. To put order you can also press Short List. Press Keep to confirm all the work done so far with Ecosystem Editor. Remember every now and then to save both the Project 'Modules/Save' and 'Parameter/Save All' EcoModels are made up of .etp .fgp .iff8 for each model Color Editor Now it's time to define the colors of our scene and we can do this by going to Modules and then Color Editor. In the list we focus on our ecosystems, created first. Let's go to the bottom of the list and select the first white space, assigning the name 'empty1', with a color we like and then we will find this element again in other environments... It could serve as an example for other situations! So we move to 'grass' which already exists and assign the following colors: R 60 G 70 B50 <pre> 'shrubs': R 60 G 80 B 30 'RockIncl' R 110 G 65 B 60 'RockBase' R 110 G 80 B 80 ' Terrain' R 150 G 30 B 30 <pre> Now we can work on pre-existing colors <pre> 'SunLight' R 150 G 130 B 130 'Haze and Fog' R 190 G 170 B 170 'Horizon' R 209 G 185 B 190 'Zenith' R 140 G 150 B 200 'Water' R 90 G 125 B 170 </pre> Ambient R 0 G 0 B 0 So don't forget to close Color Editor by pressing Keep. Go once again to Ecosystem Editor and assign the corresponding color to each environment by selecting it using the Ecosystem Color button. Press it several times until the correct one appears. Then save the project and parameters again, as done previously. Motion Editor Now it's time to take care of the framing, so let's go to Modules and then to Motion Editor. An extremely feature-rich window will open. Following is the list of parameters regarding the Camera, position and other characteristics: <pre> -Camera Altitude: 7.0 -Camera Latitude: 36.075 -Camera Longitude: 112.133 -Focus Attitude: -2.0 -Focus Latitude: 36.275 -Focus Longitude: 112.386 -Camera : 512 → rendering window -Camera Y: 384 → rendering window -View Arc: 80 → View width in degrees -Sun Longitude: 172 -Sun Latitude: -0.9 -Haze Start: 3.8 -Haze Range: 78, 5 </pre> As soon as the values ​​shown in the relevant sliders have been modified, we will be ready to open the CamView window to observe the wireframe preview. Let's not consider all the controls that will appear. Well from the Motion Editor if you have selected Camera Altitude and open the CamView panel, you can change the height of the camera by holding down the right mouse button and moving the mouse up and down. To update the view, press the Terrain button in the adjacent window. As soon as you are convinced of the position, confirm again with Keep. You can carry out the same work with the other functions of the camera, such as Focus Altitude... Let's now see the next positioning step on the Camera map, but let's leave the CamView preview window open while we go to Modules to open the window at the same time MapView. We will thus be able to take advantage of the view from the other together with a subjective one. From the MapView window, select with the left mouse button and while it is pressed, move the Camera as desired. To update the subjective preview, always click on Terrain. While with the same procedure you can intervene on the direction of the camera lens, by selecting the cross and with the left button pressed you can choose the desired view. So with the pressure of Terrain I update the Preview. Possibly can enlarge or reduce the Map View using the Zoom button, for greater precision. Also write that the circle around the cameras indicates the beginning of the haze, there are two types (haze and fog) linked to the altitude. Would also add that the camera height is editable through the Motion Editor panel. The sun Let's see that changing the position of the sun from the Motion Editor. Press the SUN button at the bottom right and set the time and the date. Longitude and latitude are automatically obtained by the program. Always open the View Arc command from the Motion Editor panel, an item present in the Parameter List box. Once again confirm everything with Keep and then save again. Animation The animation part is not left-back and also occupies a window. The settings possibilities are enormous. A time line with dragging functions ("slide", "drag"...) comparable to that of LightWave completes this window. A small window is available for positioning the stars as a function of a date, in order to vary the seasons and their various events (and yes...). At the bottom of the "Motion-Editor", a "cam-view" function will give you access to a control panel. Different preview modes are possible. The rendering is also accessible through a window. No less than nine pages compose it. At this level, you will be able to determine the backup name of your images ("path"), the type of texture to be calculated, the resolution of the images, activate or deactivate functions such as the depth buffer ("zbuffer"), the blur, the background image, etc. Once all these parameters have been set, all you have to do is click on the "Render" button. For rendering go to Modules and then Render. Select the resolution, then under IMA select the name of the image. Move to FRA and indicate the level of fractal detail which of 4 is quite good. Then Keep to confirm and then reopen the window, pressing Render you will see the result. The image will be opened with any viewing program. Strengths: * Multi-window. * Quality of rendering. * Accuracy. * Opening, preview and rendering on CyberGraphX screen. * Extract / Convert Interp DEM, Import DLG, DXF, WDB and export LW map 3d formats * The "zbuffer" function. Weaknesses: * No OpenGL management * Calculation time. * No network computing tool. ====Writing CD / DVD - Frying Pan==== Can be backup DVDs (4GB ISO size limit due to use of FileInfoBlock), create audio cds from mp3's, and put .iso files on discs If using for the first time - click Drive button and Device set to ata.device and unit to 0 (zero) Click Tracks Button - Drive 1 - Create New Disc or Import Existing Disc Image (iso bin/cue etc.) - Session File open cue file If you're making a data cd, with files and drawers from your hard drive, you should be using the ISO Builder.. which is the MUI page on the left. ("Data/Audio Tracks" is on the right). You should use the "Data/Audio tracks" page if you want to create music cds with AIFF/WAV/MP3 files, or if you download an .iso file, and you want to put it on a cd. Click WRITE Button - set write speed - click on long Write button Examples Easiest way would be to burn a DATA CD, simply go to "Tracks" page "ISO Builder" and "ADD" everything you need to burn. On the "Write" page i have "Masterize Disc (DAO)", "Close Disc" and "Eject after Write" set. One must not "Blank disc before write" if one uses a CDR AUDIO CD from MP3's are as easy but tricky to deal with. FP only understands one MP3 format, Layer II, everything else will just create empty tracks Burning bootable CD's works only with .iso files. Go to "Tracks" page and "Data/Audio Tracks" and add the .iso ====odf==== Every ODF file is a collection of several subdocuments within a package (ZIP file), each of which stores part of the complete document. * content.xml – Document content and automatic styles used in the content. * styles.xml – Styles used in the document content and automatic styles used in the styles themselves. * meta.xml – Document meta information, such as the author or the time of the last save action. * settings.xml – Application-specific settings, such as the window size or printer information. To read document follow these steps: * Extracting .ods file. * Getting content.xml file (which contains sheets data). * Creating XmlDocument object from content.xml file. * Creating DataSet (that represent Spreadsheet file). * With XmlDocument select “table:table” elements, and then create adequate DataTables. * Parse child’s of “table:table” element and fill DataTables with those data. * At the end, return DataSet and show it in application’s interface. To write document follow these steps: * Extracting template.ods file (.ods file that we use as template). * Getting content.xml file. * Creating XmlDocument object from content.xml file. * Erasing all “table:table” elements from the content.xml file. * Reading data from our DataSet and composing adequate “table:table” elements. * Adding “table:table” elements to content.xml file. * Zipping that file as new .ods file. XLS file format The XLS file format contains streams, substreams, and records. These sheet substreams include worksheets, macro sheets, chart sheets, dialog sheets, and VBA module sheets. All the records in an XLS document start with a 2-byte unsigned integer to specify Record Type (rt), and another for Count of Bytes (cb). A record cannot exceed 8224 bytes. If larger than the rest is stored in one or more continue records. * Workbook stream **Globals substream ***BoundSheet8 record - info for Worksheet substream i.e. name, location, type, and visibility. (4bytes the lbPlyPos FilePointer, specifies the position in the Workbook stream where the sheet substream starts) **Worksheet substream (sheet) - Cell Table - Row record - Cells (2byte=row 2byte=column 2byte=XF format) ***Blank cell record ***RK cell record 32-bit number. ***BoolErr cell record (2-byte Bes structure that may be either a Boolean value or an error code) ***Number cell record (64-bit floating-point number) ***LabelSst cell record (4-byte integer that specifies a string in the Shared Strings Table (SST). Specifically, the integer corresponds to the array index in the RGB field of the SST) ***Formula cell record (FormulaValue structure in the 8 bytes that follow the cell structure. The next 6 bytes can be ignored, and the rest of the record is a CellParsedFormula structure that contains the formula itself) ***MulBlank record (first 2 bytes give the row, and the next 2 bytes give the column that the series of blanks starts at. Next, a variable length array of cell structures follows to store formatting information, and the last 2 bytes show what column the series of blanks ends on) ***MulRK record ***Shared String Table (SST) contains all of the string values in the workbook. ACCRINT(), ACCRINTM(), AMORDEGRC(), AMORLINC(), COUPDAYBS(), COUPDAYS(), COUPDAYSNC(), COUPNCD(), COUPNUM(), COUPPCD(), CUMIPMT(), CUMPRINC(), DB(), DDB(), DISC(), DOLLARDE(), DOLLARFR(), DURATION(), EFFECT(), FV(), FVSCHEDULE(), INTRATE(), IPMT(), IRR(), ISPMT(), MDURATION(), MIRR(), NOMINAL(), NPER(), NPV(), ODDFPRICE(), ODDFYIELD(), ODDLPRICE(), ODDLYIELD(), PMT(), PPMT(), PRICE(), PRICEDISC(), PRICEMAT(), PV(), RATE(), RECEIVED(), SLN(), SYD(), TBILLEQ(), TBILLPRICE(), TBILLYIELD(), VDB(), XIRR(), XNPV(), YIELD(), YIELDDISC(), YIELDMAT(), <pre> </pre> <pre> </pre> <pre> </pre> {{BookCat}} jifxm99k2bujr1ueuqx9jxc1wk7jgmr 4637084 4637083 2026-05-22T19:41:43Z Jeff1138 301139 4637084 wikitext text/x-wiki ==Introduction== [[#Graphical Image Editing Art]] [[#Office Application]] [[#Audio]] [[#Misc Application]] [[#Games & Emulation]] [[#Application Guides]] [[#top|...to the top]] [[#top|...to the top]] Most apps can be opened on the Workbench (aka publicscreen pubscreen) which is the default display option but can offer a custom one set to your configurations (aka custom screen mode promotion). These custom ones tend to stack so the possible use of A-M/A-N method of switching between full screens and the ability to pull down screens as well If you are interested in creating or porting new software, see [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Aros/Developer/Docs here] {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Internet Applications !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1 (68k) !width:10%;|Hyperion OS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Web Online Browser [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=network/browser Odyssey 2.0], [https://www.arosworld.org/infusions/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1175&highlight=odyssey&rowstart=100 Odyssey 3.0], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://aminet.net/comm/www Amelinium], [https://blog.alb42.de/programs/amifox/ amifox] with [https://github.com/alb42/wrp wrp server], IBrowse*, Voyager*, [https://github.com/amigazen/aweb3/ AWeb 3.6 src], [https://github.com/matjam/aweb AWeb Src], 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[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=5 getVideo], Tubexx |- |<!--Sub Menu-->E-mailing SMTP POP3 IMAP based |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=network/email SimpleMail], [http://sourceforge.net/projects/simplemail/files/ src], [https://github.com/jens-maus/yam YAM] |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/simplemail/files/ SimpleMail], [https://github.com/jens-maus/yam YAM] |<!--AmigaOS4-->SimpleMail, YAM, |<!--MorphOS--> SimpleMail, YAM |- |<!--Sub Menu-->IRC |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=network/chat WookieChat], [https://sourceforge.net/projects/wookiechat/ Wookiechat src], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=network/chat AiRcOS], Jabberwocky, |<!--Amiga OS-->Wookiechat, AmIRC |<!--AmigaOS4-->Wookiechat |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=5 Wookiechat], [http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=5 AmIRC], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Instant Messaging IM like [https://github.com/BlitterStudio/amidon Hollywood lang based Mastodon client], BlueSky AT protocol, Facebook(TM), Twitter X (TM), Bitlbee IRC Gateway and others |<!--AROS-->[https://github.com/kaffeine1/telegram-amiga telegram-amiga], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=network/chat jabberwocky], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://amitwitter.sourceforge.net/ AmiTwitter], CLIMM, SabreMSN, jabberwocky, |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://amitwitter.sourceforge.net/ AmiTwitter], SabreMSN, |<!--MorphOS-->[http://amitwitter.sourceforge.net/ AmiTwitter], [http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=5 PolyglotNG], SabreMSN, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Torrents |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=network/p2p ArTorr], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->CTorrent, Transmission |<!--MorphOS-->MLDonkey, Beehive, [http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=5 Transmission], CTorrent, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->FTP |<!--AROS-->Plugin included with Dopus Magellan, MarranoFTP, |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/AmiFTP AmiFTP], AmiTradeCenter, ncFTP, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=5 Pftp], [http://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/AmiFTP-1.935-OS4 AmiFTP], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->WYSIWYG Web Site Editor |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Internet Radio Streaming Audio [http://www.gnu.org/software/gnump3d/ gnump3d], [http://www.icecast.org/ Icecast2] Server (Broadcast) and Client (Listen), [ mpd], [http://darkice.sourceforge.net/ DarkIce], [http://www.dyne.org/software/muse/ Muse], |<!--AROS-->Mplayer (Icecast Client only), |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://github.com/sandlbn/TuneFinder TuneFinder C Src], [https://github.com/sandlbn/TuneFinderMUI TuneFinderMUI], [http://amigazeux.net/anr/ AmiNetRadio], [], [], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.tunenet.co.uk/ Tunenet], |<!--MorphOS-->Mplayer, AmiNetRadio, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->VoIP (Voice over IP) with SIP Client (Session Initiation Protocol) or Asterisk IAX2 Clients Softphone (skype like) |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->AmiPhone with Speak Freely, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Weather Forecast |<!--AROS-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/ WeatherBar], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/workbench AWeather], [] |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://amigazeux.net/wetter/ Wetter], [https://github.com/emartisoft/AmiWeatherForecasts AmiWeatherForecasts src], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://os4depot.net/?function=showfile&file=utility/workbench/flipclock.lha FlipClock], |<!--MorphOS-->[http://amigazeux.net/wetter/ Wetter], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Street Road Maps Route Planning GPS Tracking |<!--AROS-->[https://blog.alb42.de/programs/muimapparium/ MuiMapparium] [https://build.alb42.de/ Build of MuiMapp versions], |<!--Amiga OS-->AmiAtlas*, UKRoutePlus*, [http://blog.alb42.de/ AmOSM], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[http://blog.alb42.de/programs/mapparium/ Mapparium], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Clock and Date setting from the internet (either ntp or websites) [https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ World Clock], [http://www.time.gov/ NIST], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=network/misc ntpsync], |<!--Amiga OS-->ntpsync |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Newsgroups |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://newscoaster.sourceforge.net/ Newscoaster], [https://github.com/jens-maus/newsrog NewsRog], [ WorldNews], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. ==Graphical Image Editing Art== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Image Editing !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1(68k) !width:10%;|Hyperion OS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Pixel Raster Artwork [https://github.com/LibreSprite/LibreSprite LibreSprite based on GPL aseprite], [https://github.com/abetusk/hsvhero hsvhero], [], |<!--AROS-->[https://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/ZunePaint/ ZunePaint], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit LunaPaint], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit GrafX2], [ LodePaint needs OpenGL], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.amigaforever.com/classic/download.html PPaint], GrafX2, [https://github.com/grovdata/Amiga_Sources/blob/master/software.md DeluxePaint], [http://www.amiforce.de/perfectpaint/perfectpaint.php PerfectPaint], Zoetrope, Brilliance2*, |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit LodePaint], GrafX2, |<!--MorphOS-->Sketch, Pixel*, GrafX2, [http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=3 LunaPaint] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Image viewing |<!--AROS-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/ ZuneView], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/viewer LookHere], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/viewer LoView], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/viewer PicShow] , [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=31400&forum=32&start=80&viewmode=flat&order=0#583458 Picture Album], |<!--Amiga OS-->PicShow, PicView, Photoalbum, |<!--AmigaOS4-->WarpView, PicShow, flPhoto, Thumbs, [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=31400&forum=32&start=80&viewmode=flat&order=0#583458 Picture Album], |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=3 ShowGirls], [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=31400&forum=32&start=80&viewmode=flat&order=0#583458 Picture Album] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Photography retouching / Image Manipulation like Photoshop(tm) |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit RNOEffects], [https://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/ ZunePaint], [http://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/ ZuneView], |<!--Amiga OS-->[ Tecsoft Video Paint aka TVPaint], Photogenics*, ArtEffect*, ImageFX*, XiPaint, fxPaint, ImageMasterRT, Opalpaint, |<!--AmigaOS4-->WarpView, flPhoto, [http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit Photocrop] |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=3 ShowGirls], ImageFX*, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Manage RAW picture folder galleries like Darktable, RAWtherapy, etc |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Graphic Format Converter - ICC profile support sRGB, Adobe RGB, XYZ and linear RGB |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->GraphicsConverter, ImageStudio, [http://www.coplabs.org/artpro.html ArtPro] |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Thumbnail Generator [], |<!--AROS-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/ ZuneView], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/shell Thumbnail Generator] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Icon Editor |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/iconedit Archives], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/workbench Icon Toolbox], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/iconedit IconEditor] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->2D Pixel Art Animation |<!--AROS-->Lunapaint |<!--Amiga OS-->PPaint, AnimatED, Scala*, GoldDisk MovieSetter*, Walt Disney's Animation Studio*, ProDAD*, [https://github.com/historicalsource/DeluxePaint DeluxePaint src], Brilliance |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=3 Titler] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->2D SVG based MovieSetter type |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->MovieSetter*, Fantavision* |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Morphing |<!--AROS-->[ GLMorph] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->2D Cad (qcad->LibreCAD, etc.) |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->Xcad, MaxonCAD |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->3D Cad like FreeCad, BRL-CAD, OpenSCAD, AvoCADo, etc. using dxf, obj (vertices), blend, |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->XCad3d*, DynaCADD*, Cycas, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->3D Model Rendering of glft (json) gbl (png jpg), usdz (USD files with materials, textures, and animations), FBX Filmbox is a proprietary Autodesk format, |<!--AROS-->POV-Ray |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.discreetfx.com./amigaproducts.html CINEMA 4D]*, POV-Ray, Lightwave3D*, Real3D*, Caligari24*, Reflections/Monzoom*, [https://github.com/privatosan/RayStorm Raystorm src], Tornado 3D |<!--AmigaOS4-->Blender, POV-Ray, Yafray |<!--MorphOS-->Blender, POV-Ray, Yafray |- |<!--Sub Menu-->3D Format Converter [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=graphics/convert/ivcon.lha IVCon] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Screen grabbing display |<!--AROS-->[ Screengrabber], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/misc snapit], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=video/record screen recorder], [] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Grab graphics music from apps [https://github.com/Malvineous/ripper6 ripper6], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. [[#top|...to the top]] ==Office Application== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Office !width:10%;|AROS (x86) !width:10%;|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_software Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1] (68k) !width:10%;|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AmigaOS_4 Hyperion OS4] (PPC) !width:10%;|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MorphOS MorphOS] (PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Word-processing |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=office/wordprocessing Cinnamon Writer], [https://finalwriter.godaddysites.com/ Final Writer 7*], [https://github.com/sodero/MUI-Vim/releases MUI-Vim], [ ], |<!--AmigaOS-->[ Softwood FinalCopy II*], Haage AmigaWriter*, Digita WordWorth*, Softwood FinalWriter*, Micro-Systems Excellence 3*, Arnor Protext, Rashumon, [ InterWord], [ KindWords], [WordPerfect], [ New Horizons Flow], [ CygnusEd Pro], [ Micro-systems Scribble], |<!--AmigaOS4-->AbiWord, [ CinnamonWriter] |<!--MorphOS-->[ Cinnamon Writer], [http://www.meta-morphos.org/viewtopic.php?topic=1246&forum=53 scriba], [http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/index.php Papyrus Office], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Spreadsheets |<!--AROS-->[https://blog.alb42.de/programs/leu/ Leu], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=office/spreadsheet], |<!--AmigaOS-->[https://aminet.net/package/biz/spread/ignition-src Ignition Src 1.3], [MaxiPlan 500 Plus], [OXXI Plan/IT v2.0 Speadsheet], [ Superplan], [ Creative Developments TurboCalc], [ ProCalc], [ InterSpread], [Digita DGCalc], [ Gold Disk Advantage], [ Micro-systems Analyze!] |<!--AmigaOS4-->Gnumeric, [https://ignition-amiga.sourceforge.net/ Ignition], |<!--MorphOS-->[ ignition], [http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php Papyrus Office], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Presentations |<!--AROS-->[http://www.hollywoood-mal.com/ Hollywood]*, |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.hollywoood-mal.com/ Hollywood]*, MediaPoint, PointRider, Scala*, |<!--Amiga OS4-->[http://www.hollywoood-mal.com/ Hollywood]*, PointRider |<!--MorphOS-->[http://www.hollywoood-mal.com/ Hollywood]*, PointRider |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Databases |<!--AROS-->[http://sdb.freeforums.org/ SDB], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=office/database BeeBase], |<!--Amiga OS-->Precision Superbase 4 Pro*, Arnor Prodata*, BeeBase, Datastore, FinalData*, AmigaBase, Fiasco, Twist2*, [Digita DGBase], [], |<!--AmigaOS4-->BeeBase, SQLite, |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=6 BeeBase], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->PDF Viewing and editing digital signatures |<!--AROS-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/arospdf/ ArosPDF via splash], [https://github.com/wattoc/AROS-vpdf vpdf wip], |<!--Amiga OS-->APDF |<!--AmigaOS4-->AmiPDF |<!--MorphOS-->APDF, vPDF, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Printing |<!--AROS-->Postscript 3 laser printers and Ghostscript internal, [ GutenPrint], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.irseesoft.de/tp_what.htm TurboPrint]* |<!--AmigaOS4-->(some native drivers), |<!--MorphOS-->early TurboPrint included, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Note Taking markdown support like joplin, OneNote, EverNote Notes, xournalpp, etc |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Study and analyse, collect, organize, annotate, cite, and share |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->PIM Personal Information Manager - Day Diary Planner Calendar App |<!--AROS-->[ ], [ ], [ ], |<!--Amiga OS-->Digita Organiser*, On The Ball, Everyday Organiser, [ Contact Manager], |<!--AmigaOS4-->AOrganiser, |<!--MorphOS-->[http://polymere.free.fr/orga_en.html PolyOrga], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Accounting |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=office/misc ETB], LoanCalc, [ ], [ ], [ ], |[ Digita Home Accounts2], Accountant, Small Business Accounts, Account Master, [ Amigabok], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Project Management Research |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->SuperGantt, SuperPlan, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->System Wide Dictionary - multilingual [http://sourceforge.net/projects/babiloo/ Babiloo], [http://code.google.com/p/stardict-3/ StarDict], |<!--AROS-->[ ], |<!--AmigaOS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->System wide Thesaurus - multi lingual |<!--AROS-->[ ], |Kuma K-Roget*, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Sticky Desktop Notes (post it type) |<!--AROS-->[http://aminet.net/package/util/wb/amimemos.i386-aros AmiMemos], [https://aminet.net/package/util/wb/amimemos.src-aros AmiMemos Src], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://aminet.net/package/util/wb/StickIt-2.00 StickIt v2], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->DTP Desktop Publishing |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit RNOPublisher], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://pagestream.org/ Pagestream]*, Professional Pro Page*, Saxon Publisher, Pagesetter, PenPal, |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://pagestream.org/ Pagestream]* |<!--MorphOS-->[http://pagestream.org/ Pagestream]* |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Scanning |<!--AROS-->[ SCANdal], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->FxScan*, ScanQuix* |<!--AmigaOS4-->SCANdal (Sane) |<!--MorphOS-->SCANdal |- |<!--Sub Menu-->OCR |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/convert gOCR] |<!--AmigaOS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos-files.net/categories/office/text Tesseract] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Text Editing |<!--AROS-->Jano Editor (already installed as Editor), [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=development/edit EdiSyn], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/text/edit Annotate], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=development/edit Vim], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/text/edit FrexxEd] [https://github.com/vidarh/FrexxEd src], [ NoWinEd], |<!--Amiga OS-->Annotate, MicroGoldED/CubicIDE*, CygnusED*, Turbotext, Protext*, NoWinED, |<!--AmigaOS4-->Notepad, Annotate, CygnusED*, NoWinED, |<!--MorphOS-->MorphOS ED, NoWinED, GoldED/CubicIDE*, CygnusED*, Annotate, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Office Fonts [http://sourceforge.net/projects/fontforge/files/fontforge-source/ Font Designer] |<!--AROS-->[ ], [ ], |<!--Amiga OS-->TypeSmith*, SaxonScript (GetFont Adobe Type 1), |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Drawing Vector |<!--AROS-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/amifig/ ZuneFIG previously AmiFIG] |<!--Amiga OS-->Drawstudio*, ProVector*, ArtExpression*, Professional Draw*, AmiFIG, MetaView, [https://gitlab.com/amigasourcecodepreservation/designworks Design Works Src], [], |<!--AmigaOS4-->MindSpace, [http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit amifig], |<!--MorphOS-->SteamDraw, [http://aminet.net/package/gfx/edit/amifig amiFIG], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->video conferencing (jitsi) |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->source code hosting |<!--AROS-->Gitlab, |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Remote Desktop (server) |<!--AROS-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/VNC_Server ArosVNCServer], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://s.guillard.free.fr/AmiVNC/AmiVNC.htm AmiVNC], [http://dspach.free.fr/amiga/avnc/index.html AVNC] |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://s.guillard.free.fr/AmiVNC/AmiVNC.htm AmiVNC] |MorphVNC, vncserver |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Remote Desktop (client) |<!--AROS-->[https://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/VNC_Client/ ArosVNC], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=network/misc rdesktop], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://twinvnc.free.fr/index.php?menu=01&lang=eng TwinVNC], [http://dspach.free.fr/amiga/vva/index.html VVA], [http://www.hd-zone.com/ RDesktop] |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://twinvnc.free.fr/index.php?menu=01&lang=eng TwinVNC], [http://www.hd-zone.com/ RDesktop] |[http://twinvnc.free.fr/index.php?menu=01&lang=eng TwinVNC], [http://www.hd-zone.com/ RDesktop] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->notifications |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->Ranchero |<!--AmigaOS4-->Ringhio |<!--MorphOS-->MagicBeacon |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. [[#top|...to the top]] ==Audio== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Audio !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1(68k) !width:10%;|Hyperion OS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Playing playback Audio like MP3, [https://github.com/chrg127/gmplayer NSF], [https://github.com/kode54/lazyusf miniusf .usflib], [], etc |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=video/play Mplayer], [ HarmonyPlayer hp], [http://www.a500.org/downloads/audio/index.xhtml playcdda] CDs, [ WildMidi Player], [https://bszili.morphos.me/ UADE mod player], [], [RNOTunes ], [ mp3Player], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->AmiNetRadio, AmigaAmp, playOGG, |<!--AmigaOS4-->TuneNet, SimplePlay, AmigaAmp, TKPlayer |AmiNetRadio, Mplayer, Kaya, AmigaAmp |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Editing Audio |<!--AROS-->[ Audio Evolution 4] |<!--Amiga OS-->[ Samplitude Opus Key], [https://sourceforge.net/projects/hd-rec/ HD-Rec Src], [http://www.sonicpulse.de/eng/news.html SoundFX], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[https://sourceforge.net/projects/hd-rec/ HD-Rec], AmiSoundED, [http://os4depot.net/?function=showfile&file=audio/record/audioevolution4.lha Audio Evolution 4] |[http://www.hd-rec.de/HD-Rec/index.php?site=home HD-Rec], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Editing Tracker Music |<!--AROS-->[https://github.com/hitchhikr/protrekkr Protrekkr], [ Schism Tracker], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/tracker MilkyTracker], [http://www.hivelytracker.com/ HivelyTracker], [ Radium in AROS already], [http://www.a500.org/downloads/development/index.xhtml libMikMod], |<!--Amiga OS-->MilkyTracker, HivelyTracker, DigiBooster, Octamed SoundStudio, |<!--AmigaOS4-->MilkyTracker, HivelyTracker, GoatTracker |MilkyTracker, GoatTracker, DigiBooster, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Editing Music [], [https://github.com/kmatheussen/camd CAMD] and/or staves and notes manuscript |<!--AROS-->[http://bnp.hansfaust.de/ Bars and Pipes for AROS], [ Audio Evolution], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://bnp.hansfaust.de/ Bars'n'Pipes], MusicX* David "Talin" Joiner & Craig Weeks (for Notator-X), Deluxe Music Construction 2*, [https://github.com/timoinutilis/midi-sequencer-amigaos Horny c Src], HD-Rec, [https://aminet.net/package/mus/midi/dominatorV1_51 Dominator], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[https://sourceforge.net/p/hd-rec/code/HEAD/tree/ HD-Rec Src], Rockbeat, [http://bnp.hansfaust.de/download.html Bars'n'Pipes], [http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/edit Horny], Audio Evolution 4, |<!--MorphOS-->Bars'n'Pipes, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Sound Sampling |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/record Audio Evolution 4], [http://www.imica.net/SitePortalPage.aspx?siteid=1&did=162 Quick Record], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/misc SOX to get AIFF 16bit files], [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/tree/master/workbench/tools/AHIRecord AHIRecord], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://aminet.net/package/mus/edit/AudioEvolution3_src Audio Evolution 3 c src], [ Samplitude-MS Opus Key], Audiomaster IV*, |<!--AmigaOS4-->[https://github.com/timoinutilis/phonolith-amigaos phonolith c src], HD-Rec, Audio Evolution 4, |<!--MorphOS-->[https://sourceforge.net/p/hd-rec/code/HEAD/tree/ HD-Rec Src], Audio Evolution 4, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Live Looping or Audio Misc - Groovebox like |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->CD/DVD burn |[https://code.google.com/p/amiga-fryingpan/ FryingPan], |<!--Amiga OS-->FryingPan, [http://www.estamos.de/makecd/#CurrentVersion MakeCD], |<!--AmigaOS4-->FryingPan, AmiDVD, |[http://www.amiga.org/forums/printthread.php?t=58736 FryingPan], Jalopeano, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->CD/DVD audio rip |Lame, [http://www.imica.net/SitePortalPage.aspx?siteid=1&cfid=0&did=167 Quick CDrip], |<!--Amiga OS-->Lame, |<!--AmigaOS4-->Lame, |Lame, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->MP3 v1 and v2 Tagger |<!--AROS-->id3ren (v1), [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/edit mp3info], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> | |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Audio Convert |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/misc Sox], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://aminet.net/package/mus/misc/SoundBox SoundBox], [http://aminet.net/package/mus/misc/SoundBoxKey SoundBox Key], [http://aminet.net/package/mus/edit/SampleE SampleE], sox |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->DJ mixing jamming |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Radio Automation Software [http://www.rivendellaudio.org/ Rivendell], [http://code.campware.org/projects/livesupport/report/3 Campware LiveSupport], [http://www.sourcefabric.org/en/airtime/ SourceFabric AirTime], [http://www.ohloh.net/p/mediabox404 MediaBox404], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Speakers Audio Sonos Mains AC networked wired controlled *2005 ZP100 with ZP80 *2008 Zoneplayer ZP120 (multi-room wireless amp) ZP90 receiver only with CR100 controller, *2009 ZonePlayer S5, *2010 BR100 wireless Bridge (no support), *2011 Play:3 *2013 Bridge (no support), Play:1, *2016 Arc, Play:1, *Beam (Gen 2), Playbar, Ray, Era 100, Era 300, Roam, Move 2, *Sub (Gen 3), Sub Mini, Five, Amp S2 |<!--AROS-->SonosController |<!--Amiga OS-->SonosController |<!--AmigaOS4-->SonosController |<!--MorphOS-->SonosController |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Smart Speakers |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. [[#top|...to the top]] ==Video Creativity and Production== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Video !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1(68k) !width:10%;|Hyperion OS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Playing Video |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=video/play Mplayer VAMP], [http://www.a500.org/downloads/video/index.xhtml CDXL player], [http://www.a500.org/downloads/video/index.xhtml IffAnimPlay], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->Frogger*, AMP2, MPlayer, RiVA*, MooViD*, |<!--AmigaOS4-->DvPlayer, MPlayer |<!--MorphOS-->MPlayer, Frogger, AMP2, VLC |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Streaming Video and game streaming like OBS studio, Parsec, etc |<!--AROS-->Mplayer, |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->Mplayer, Gnash, Tubexx |<!--MorphOS-->Mplayer, OWB, Tubexx |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Playing DVD |<!--AROS-->[http://a-mc.biz/ AMC]*, Mplayer |<!--Amiga OS-->AMP2, Frogger |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://a-mc.biz/ AMC]*, DvPlayer*, AMP2, |<!--MorphOS-->Mplayer |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Screen Recording |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=video/record Screenrecorder], [ ], [ ], [ ], [ ], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->Screenrecorder, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Create and Edit Individual Video NLE |<!--AROS-->[ Mencoder], [ Quick Videos], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit AVIbuild], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/misc FrameBuild], FFMPEG, |<!--Amiga OS-->[ MainConcept Mainactor Broadcast*], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_Toaster Video Toaster*], MacroSystem MovieShop 4.3*, proDAD Adorage*, [ IOSpirit VHI studio]*, [Gold Disk ShowMaker], [], |<!--AmigaOS4-->FFMpeg/GUI |<!--MorphOS-->Blender, Mencoder, FFmpeg |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Subtitle editor |<!--AROS-->[https://aminet.net/package/text/edit/Slarti_Arosx86ABIv0 Slarti_Arosx86ABIv0], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->IP-based video production workflows with High Dynamic Range (HDR), 10-bit color collaborative NDI, |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Blogging like Lemmy or kbin |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->VR face recognition for Vtubers |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->VR chatting Live 2D models with Cubism type editor <pre> Model data (cmo3) Basic motions (can3) Background image (png) Set of files for embedding (runtime folder) • Model data (moc3) • Motion data (motion3.json) • Model settings file (model3.json) • Physics settings file (physics3.json) • Display auxiliary file (cdi3.json) </pre> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->VR chatting chatters .VRML models - standardized 3D file format for VR avatars |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->V-tubers V-tubing like Vseeface with Openseeface tracker or Vpuppr (virtual puppet project) for 2d / 3d art models rigging rigged LIV |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. [[#top|...to the top]] ==Misc Application== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Misc Application !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1 (68k) !width:10%;|Hyperion OS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->File Management |<!--AROS-->DOpus4, [https://github.com/BlitterStudio/dopus5 DOpus Magellan aka DOpus 5], [ Scalos], [ ], |<!--Amiga OS-->DOpus2, DOpus 4, [http://sourceforge.net/projects/dopus5allamigas/files/?source=navbar DOpus Magellan DOpus5], ClassAction, FileMaster, [http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=4897 DirWork 2]*, [https://github.com/RudolphRiedel/DiskMaster2 DiskMaster2 src], |<!--AmigaOS4-->DOpus4, DOpus5, Filer, AmiDisk |<!--MorphOS-->DOpus4, DOpus5 |- |<!--Sub Menu-->File Verification / Repair |<!--AROS-->md5 (works in linux compiling shell), [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/filetool workpar2] (PAR2), [http://zakalwe.fi/~shd/foss/cksfv/files/ compile cksfv from website], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->Par2, |- |App Installer |<!--AROS-->[], [ InstallerNG], |<!--Amiga OS-->InstallerNG, Grunch, |<!--AmigaOS4-->Jack |<!--MorphOS-->Jack |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Compression archiver [https://github.com/FS-make-simple/paq9a paq9a], [], |<!--AROS-->XAD system is a toolkit designed for handling various file and disk archiver |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->C/C++ IDE |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/text/edit FrexxEd], [https://github.com/vidarh/FrexxEd FrexxEd src], Annotate, Murks, |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://devplex.awardspace.biz/cubic/index.html Cubic IDE]*, Annotate, |<!--AmigaOS4-->CodeBench , [https://gitlab.com/boemann/codecraft CodeCraft], |<!--MorphOS-->[http://devplex.awardspace.biz/cubic/index.html Cubic IDE]*, Anontate, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Computer Languages Translation [https://tetracorp.github.io/guide/reverse-engineering-amiga.html ], [https://amigasourcecodepreservation.gitlab.io/amiga-assembler-insider-guide/ ], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://bitbucket.org/rhinoid/convert68000toc/src/main/ convert m68k seka asm-one to c], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Gui Creators |<!--AROS-->[ MuiBuilder], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[ MuiBuilder], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Catalog .cd .ct Editors |<!--AROS-->FlexCat |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.geit.de/deu_simplecat.html SimpleCat], FlexCat |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://aminet.net/package/dev/misc/simplecat SimpleCat], FlexCat |[http://www.geit.de/deu_simplecat.html SimpleCat], FlexCat |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Binary Hexadecimal Editor |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=development/edit Zaphod], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Repository |<!--AROS-->[ Git] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->Git |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Filesystem Backup |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Filesystem Repair |<!--AROS-->ArSFSDoctor, |<!--Amiga OS--> Quarterback Tools, [ ], [ ], [ ], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Multiple File renaming |<!--AROS-->DOpus 4 or 5, |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Anti Virus |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->VChecker, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Random Wallpaper Desktop changer [ DOpus5], [ Scalos], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Alarm Clock, Timer, Stopwatch, Countdown |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/workbench DClock], [http://aminet.net/util/time/AlarmClockAROS.lha AlarmClock], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Digital Signage |<!--AROS-->Hollywood, Hollywood Designer |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Fortune Cookie Quotes Sayings |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/misc AFortune], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Languages |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->Fun School, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Mathematics ([http://www-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/~parisse/install_en.html Xcas], etc.), |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/scientific mathX] |<!--Amiga OS-->Maple V, mathX, Fun School, GCSE Maths, [ ], [ ], [ ], |<!--AmigaOS4-->Yacas |<!--MorphOS-->Yacas |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. ==Misc Application 2== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Misc Application !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1(68k) !width:10%;|Hyperion OS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->System |<!--AROS-->[ SysExplorer], [ SysMon], [ Scout], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->OSK On Screen Keyboard |<!--AROS-->[], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://aminet.net/util/wb/OSK.lha OSK] |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Screen Magnifier Magnifying Glass Magnification |<!--AROS-->[http://www.onyxsoft.se/files/zoomit.lha ZoomIT], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Comic Book CBR CBZ format reader viewer |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/viewer comics], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/viewer comicon], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Ebook Reader |<!--AROS-->[https://blog.alb42.de/programs/#legadon Legadon EPUB],[] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Ebook Converter |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Text to Speech tts [https://github.com/JonathanFly/bark-installer Bark], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/misc flite], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.text2speech.com translator], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=search&tool=simple FLite] |<!--MorphOS-->[http://se.aminet.net/pub/aminet/mus/misc/ FLite] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Speech Voice Recognition Dictation - [http://sourceforge.net/projects/cmusphinx/files/ CMU Sphinx], [http://julius.sourceforge.jp/en_index.php?q=en/index.html Julius], [http://www.isip.piconepress.com/projects/speech/index.html ISIP], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Speech Voice Changer [], [], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Fractals |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->ZoneXplorer, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Landscape Rendering |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/raytrace WCS World Construction Set], |<!--Amiga OS-->[ Vista Pro], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Construction_Set World Construction Set] |<!--AmigaOS4-->[ WCS World Construction Set], |<!--MorphOS-->[ WCS World Construction Set], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Astronomy [https://sourceforge.net/projects/skychart/ skychart freepascal], [], [], |<!--AROS-->[ Digital Almanac (ABIv0 only)], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://aminet.net/search?query=planetarium Aminet search], [http://aminet.net/misc/sci/DA3V56ISO.zip Digital Almanac], [https://aminet.net/package/misc/sci/da3sourceV58 Src c V58], [ Galileo renamed to Distant Suns]*, [], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/digital-almanac/ Digital Almanac], Distant Suns*, [http://www.digitaluniverse.org.uk/ Digital Universe]*, |<!--MorphOS-->[http://www.aminet.net/misc/sci/da3.lha Digital Almanac], [http://www.aminet.net/package/misc/sci/da3-mos-src Src c V56], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->PCB design |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->[ ], [ ], [ ], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Genealogy History Family Tree Ancestry Records (FreeBMD, FreeREG, and FreeCEN file formats or GEDCOM GenTree) |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> [ Origins], [ Your Family Tree], [ ], [ ], [ ], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Screen Display Blanker screensaver |<!--AROS-->Blanker Commodity (built in), [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/screenblanker GarshneBlanker], [http://sourceforge.net/projects/gblanker/ GBlanker Src], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->MultiCX, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->ModernArt Blanker, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Maths Graph Function Plotting |<!--AROS-->[https://blog.alb42.de/programs/#MUIPlot MUIPlot], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->App Utility Launcher Dock toolbar |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/docky BoingBar], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://github.com/adkennan/DockBot Dockbot], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->3D Printer [https://github.com/OrcaSlicer/OrcaSlicer OrcaSlicer] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->BASIC Computer Language |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=development/language Basic4SDL], [ Ace Basic], [ X-AMOS], [SDLBasic], [ Alvyn], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.amiforce.de/main.php Amiblitz 3], [http://amos.condor.serverpro3.com/AmosProManual/contents/c1.html Amos Pro], [http://aminet.net/package/dev/basic/ace24dist ACE Basic], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->sdlBasic |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Astrology [https://sourceforge.net/projects/skylendar/ skylendar], [https://github.com/CruiserOne/Astrolog Astrolog], [https://www.astrolog.org/astrolog/astfile.htm Astrology alt site], [https://saravali.github.io/download.html Maitreya], [https://github.com/alamahant/Asteria Asteria], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. ==Games & Emulation== Some emulators/games require OpenGL to function and to adjust ahi prefs channels, frequency and unit0 and unit1 and [http://aros.sourceforge.net/documentation/users/shell/changetaskpri.php changetaskpri -1] Rom patching https://www.marcrobledo.com/RomPatcher.js/ https://www.romhacking.net/patch/ (ips, ups, bps, etc) and this other site supports the latter formats https://hack64.net/tools/patcher.php Free public domain roms for use with emulators can be found [http://www.pdroms.de/ here] as most of the rest are covered by copyright rules. If you like to read about old games see [http://retrogamingtimes.com/ here] and [http://www.armchairarcade.com/neo/ here] and a [http://www.vintagecomputing.com/ blog] about old computers. Possibly some of the [http://www.answers.com/topic/list-of-best-selling-computer-and-video-games best selling] of all time. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_computer_system_emulators Wiki] with emulated systems list. [https://archive.gamehistory.org/ Archive of VGHF], [https://library.gamehistory.org/ Video Game History Foundation Library search] {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:10%;|Games [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer Emulation] !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|AmigaOS3(68k) !width:10%;|AmigaOS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Amstrad CPC |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer], [ Caprice32 (OpenGL & pure SDL)], [ Arnold], [https://retroshowcase.gr/cpcbox-master/], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer] |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=2], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Apple2 and 2GS |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Arcade |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem Mame], [ SI Emu (ABIv0 only)], |<!--Amiga OS-->Mame, |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem xmame], amiarcadia, |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=2 Mame], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Atari 2600 [], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem Stella], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Atari 5200 [https://github.com/wavemotion-dave/A5200DS A5200DS], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Atari 7800 |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Atari 400 800 130XL [https://github.com/wavemotion-dave/A8DS A8DS], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer Atari800], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Atari Lynx |<!--AROS-->[http://myfreefilehosting.com/f/6366e11bdf_1.93MB Handy (ABIv0 only)], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Atari Jaguar |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Bandai Wonderswan |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation BBC Micro and Acorn Electron [http://beehttps://bem-unix.bbcmicro.com/download.html BeebEm], [http://b-em.bbcmicro.com/ B-Em], [http://elkulator.acornelectron.co.uk/ Elkulator], [http://electrem.emuunlim.com/ ElectrEm], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Dragon 32 and Tandy CoCo [http://www.6809.org.uk/xroar/ xroar], [], |<!--AROS-->[], [], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Commodore C16 Plus4 |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Commodore C64 |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer Vice (ABIv0 only)], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->Frodo, |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem viceplus], |<!--MorphOS-->Vice, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Commodore Amiga |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer Janus UAE], Emumiga, |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer UAE], |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=2 UAE], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Japanese MSX MSX2 |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Mattel Intelivision |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Mattel Colecovision and Adam |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Milton Bradley (MB) Vectrex [ Vectrex OpenGL], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation PICO8 Pico-8 fantasy video game console [https://github.com/egordorichev/pemsa-sdl/ pemsa-sdl], [https://github.com/jtothebell/fake-08 fake-08], [https://github.com/Epicpkmn11/fake-08/tree/wip fake-08 fork], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Nintendo Gameboy |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem vba no sound], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem vba] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Nintendo NES |<!--AROS-->[ EmiNES], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem Fceu], [https://github.com/takahirox/nes-js?tab=readme-ov-file nes-js], [https://github.com/bfirsh/jsnes jsnes], [https://github.com/angelo-wf/NesJs NesJs], |<!--Amiga OS-->AmiNES, [http://www.dridus.com/~nyef/darcnes/ darcNES], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem amines] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Nintendo SNES |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem Zsnes], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem warpsnes] |<!--MorphOS-->[http://fabportnawak.free.fr/snes/ Snes9x], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Nintendo N64 *HLE and plugins [ mupen64], [https://github.com/ares-emulator/ares ares], [https://github.com/N64Recomp/N64Recomp N64Recomp], [https://github.com/rt64/rt64 rt64], [https://github.com/simple64/simple64 Simple64], *LLE [], |<!--AROS-->[http://code.google.com/p/mupen64plus/ Mupen64+], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://code.google.com/p/mupen64plus/ Mupen64+], [http://aminet.net/package/misc/emu/tr-981125_src TR64], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[ Nintendo Gamecube Wii] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[ Nintendo Wii U] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[https://github.com/yuzu-emu Nintendo Switch] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation NEC PC Engine |<!--AROS-->[], [], [https://github.com/yhzmr442/jspce js-pce], |[http://www.hugo.fr.fm/ Hugo], [http://mednafen.sourceforge.net/ Mednafen], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem tgemu] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sega Master System (SMS) |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem Dega], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem sms], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem osmose] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sega Genesis/Megadrive |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem gp no sound], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem DGen], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://code.google.com/p/genplus-gx/ Genplus], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem genesisplus] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sega Saturn *HLE [https://mednafen.github.io/ mednafen], [http://yabause.org/ yabause], [], *LLE [], [], |<!--AROS-->? |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://yabause.org/ Yabause], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sega Dreamcast *HLE [https://github.com/flyinghead/flycast flycast], [https://code.google.com/archive/p/nulldc/downloads NullDC], *LLE [], [], |<!--AROS-->? |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sinclair ZX80 and ZX81 |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer], [], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sinclair Spectrum |[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer Fuse (crackly sound)], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer SimCoupe], [ FBZX slow], [https://jsspeccy.zxdemo.org/ jsspeccy], [http://torinak.com/qaop/games qaop], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.lasernet.plus.com/ Asp], [http://www.zophar.net/sinclair.html Speculator], [http://www.worldofspectrum.org/x128/index.html X128], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sinclair QL |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://aminet.net/package/misc/emu/QDOS4amiga1 QDOS4amiga] |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation SNK NeoGeo Pocket |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem gngeo], NeoPop, |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sony PlayStation |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem FPSE], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem FPSE] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[ Sony PS2] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[ Sony PS3] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[https://vita3k.org/ Sony Vita] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[https://github.com/shadps4-emu/shadPS4 PS4] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tangerine_Computer_Systems Tangerine] Oric and Atmos |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer Oricutron] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem Oricutron] |<!--MorphOS-->[http://aminet.net/package/misc/emu/oricutron Oricutron] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation TI 99/4 99/4A [https://github.com/wavemotion-dave/DS994a DS994a], [], [https://js99er.net/#/ js99er], [], [http://aminet.net/package/misc/emu/TI4Amiga TI4Amiga], [http://aminet.net/package/misc/emu/TI4Amiga_src TI4Amiga src in c], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation HP 38G 40GS 48 49G/50G Graphing Calculators |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation TI 58 83 84 85 86 - 89 92 Graphing Calculators |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:10%;|Games [https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/ General] !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|AmigaOS3(68k) !width:10%;|AmigaOS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Games [https://www.trackawesomelist.com/michelpereira/awesome-open-source-games/ Open Source and others] || AROS || Amiga OS || Amiga OS4 || Morphos |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Action like [https://github.com/BSzili/OpenLara/tree/amiga/src source of openlara SDL2], [https://github.com/opentomb/OpenTomb opentomb], [https://github.com/LostArtefacts/TRX TRX formerly Tomb1Main], [https://github.com/TombEngine TombEngine], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/action Thrust], [https://github.com/fragglet/sdl-sopwith sdl sopwith], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/action], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/action BOH], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Adventure like [http://dotg.sourceforge.net/ DMJ], [https://github.com/kromenak/gengine Gabriel Knight 3], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/adventure], [https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=browse&cat=emulation/misc ScummVM], [http://www.toolness.com/wp/category/interactive-fiction/ Infocom], [http://www.accardi-by-the-sea.org/ Zork Online]. [http://www.sarien.net/ Sierra Sarien], [http://www.ucw.cz/draci-historie/index-en.html Dragon History for ScummVM], [] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Board like [https://github.com/aperture-software/colditz-escape escape from colditz], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/board], [http://amigan.1emu.net/releases Africa] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Cards like |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/card ], [], |<!--AmigaOS-->[http://home.arcor.de/amigasolitaire/e/welcome.html Reko], [https://github.com/samskivert/beschei-en beschei Src], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Misc [https://github.com/michelpereira/awesome-open-source-games Awesome open], [https://github.com/bobeff/open-source-games General Open Source], [https://github.com/SAT-R/sa2 Sonic Advance 2], [https://github.com/velorek1/cwordle Wordle type], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/misc], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games FPS like [https://aminet.net/package/game/shoot/D1X_Rebirth_AGA Descent D1X src], [https://github.com/DescentDevelopers/Descent3 Descent 3], [https://github.com/Fewnity/Counter-Strike-Nintendo-DS Counter-Strike-Nintendo-DS], [https://github.com/Aleph-One-Marathon/alephone Bungie Marathon 1994], [https://bszili.morphos.me/ gzdoom skulltag], |<!--AROS-->Doom, Quake, [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Quake 3 Arena (OpenGL)], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Cube (OpenGL)], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Assault Cube (OpenGL)], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Cube 2 Sauerbraten (OpenGL)], [http://fodquake.net/test/ FodQuake QuakeWorld], [ Duke Nukem 3D], [ Darkplaces Nexuiz Xonotic], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Doom 3 SDL (OpenGL)], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Hexenworld and Hexen 2], [ Aliens vs Predator Gold 2000 (openGL)], [ Odamex (openGL doom)], |<!--Amiga OS-->Doom, Quake, AB3D, Fears, Breathless, |<!--AmigaOS4-->Doom, Quake, |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=12 Doom], Quake, Quake 3 Arena, [https://github.com/OpenXRay/xray-16 S.T.A.L.K.E.R Xray] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games MMORG like |<!--AROS-->[ Eternal Lands (OpenGL)], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Platform like |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/platform], [ Maze of Galious], [ Gish]*(openGL), [ Mega Mario], [http://www.gianas-return.de/ Giana's Return], [http://www.sqrxz.de/ Sqrxz], [.html Aquaria]*(openGL), [http://www.sqrxz2.de/ Sqrxz 2], [http://www.sqrxz.de/sqrxz-3/ Sqrxz 3], [http://www.sqrxz.de/sqrxz-4/ Sqrxz 4], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/platform Cave Story], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Puzzle [https://github.com/mariopartyrd/marioparty4/tree/port Party], [], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/puzzle], [ Cubosphere (OpenGL)], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/puzzle Candy Crisis], [http://bszili.morphos.me/ TailTale], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Racing [ Trigger Rally], [ VDrift], [http://www.ultimatestunts.nl/index.php?page=2&lang=en Ultimate Stunts], [http://maniadrive.raydium.org/ Mania Drive], [https://github.com/plowteam/donut Simpsons Hit and Run], [], |<!--AROS-->[ Super Tux Kart (OpenGL)], [http://www.dusabledanslherbe.eu/AROSPage/F1Spirit.30.html F1 Spirit (OpenGL)], [http://bszili.morphos.me/index.html MultiRacer], |<!--AmigaOS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://bszili.morphos.me/index.html Speed Dreams], |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=12], [http://bszili.morphos.me/index.html TORCS], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games 1st first person DRPG [https://wiki.rpg.net/index.php/Open_Game_Systems Misc], [https://github.com/OpenEnroth/OpenEnroth OpenEnroth MM], [] |<!--AROS-->[https://github.com/BSzili/aros-stuff Arx Libertatis], [http://www.playfuljs.com/a-first-person-engine-in-265-lines/ js raycaster], [https://github.com/Dorthu/es6-crpg webgl], [https://github.com/sonountaleban/AmiShockolate System Shock], [], [], |<!--AmigaOS-->Phantasie, Faery Tale, Dungeon Master, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games 3rd third person action CRPG [https://sourceforge.net/projects/sumwars/ Summoning Wars], [https://www.solarus-games.org/ Solarus], [https://wiki.rpg.net/index.php/Open_Game_Systems Misc], [https://github.com/alexbatalov/fallout1-ce fallout ce], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games isometric RPG [https://sourceforge.net/projects/sumwars/ Summoning Wars], [https://www.solarus-games.org/ Solarus], [https://wiki.rpg.net/index.php/Open_Game_Systems Misc], [https://github.com/topics/dungeon?l=javascript Dungeon], [], [https://github.com/clintbellanger/heroine-dusk JS Dusk], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/roleplaying nethack], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/roleplaying GemRB], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games card based RPG [https://github.com/open-duelyst/duelyst Duelyst], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Rhythm, Beat, Step [], [], [https://clonehero.net/ clonehero], [https://github.com/MatteoGodzilla/Dj-Engine Dj-Engine], |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/misc Frets on Fire], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Shoot Em Ups [http://www.mhgames.org/oldies/formido/ Formido], [http://code.google.com/p/violetland/ Violetland], ||<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/action Open Tyrian], [http://www.parallelrealities.co.uk/projects/starfighter.php Starfighter], [ Alien Blaster], [https://github.com/OpenFodder/openfodder OpenFodder], |<!--AmigaOS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.parallelrealities.co.uk/projects/starfighter.php Starfighter], |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Simulations [http://scp.indiegames.us/ Freespace 2], [http://www.heptargon.de/gl-117/gl-117.html GL117], [http://code.google.com/p/corsix-th/ Theme Hospital], [http://code.google.com/p/freerct/ Rollercoaster Tycoon], [http://hedgewars.org/ Hedgewars], [https://github.com/raceintospace/raceintospace raceintospace], [https://github.com/Return-To-The-Roots RTTR Settlers 2], [https://github.com/OoliteProject/oolite oolite elite], [https://github.com/fesh0r/newkind newkind elite], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->SimCity, SimAnt, Sim Hospital, Theme Park, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=12] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Life Sim [https://github.com/ACreTeam/forest Animal Crossing], [ ], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Strategy [http://rtsgus.org/ RTSgus], [http://wargus.sourceforge.net/ Wargus], [http://stargus.sourceforge.net/ Stargus], [https://github.com/KD-lab-Open-Source/Perimeter Perimeter], [https://matty77.itch.io/conflict-3049 conflict-3049], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/strategy MegaGlest (OpenGL)], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/strategy UFO:AI (OpenGL)], [http://play.freeciv.org/ FreeCiv], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=12] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Horror [https://github.com/Mikompilation/MikuPan Fatal Frame], [ ], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Sandbox Voxel Open World Exploration [https://github.com/UnknownShadow200/ClassiCube Classicube],[http://www.michaelfogleman.com/craft/ Craft], [https://github.com/tothpaul/DelphiCraft DelphiCraft],[https://www.minetest.net/ Luanti formerly Minetest], [ infiniminer], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Battle Royale [https://bruh.io/ Play.Bruh.io], [https://www.coolmathgames.com/0-copter Copter Royale], [https://surviv.io/ Surviv.io], [https://nuggetroyale.io/#Ketchup Nugget Royale], [https://miniroyale2.io/ Miniroyale2.io], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Tower Defense [https://chriscourses.github.io/tower-defense/ HTML5], [https://github.com/SBardak/Tower-Defense-Game TD C++], [https://github.com/bdoms/love_defense LUA and LOVE], [https://github.com/HyOsori/Osori-WebGame HTML5], [https://github.com/PascalCorpsman/ConfigTD ConfigTD Pascal], [https://github.com/GloriousEggroll/wine-ge-custom Wine], [] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Visual Novel Engines [https://github.com/Kirilllive/tuesday-js Tuesday JS], [ Lua + LOVE], [https://github.com/weetabix-su/renpsp-dev RenPSP], [https://github.com/Galladite27/ONScripter-EN ONScripter-EN], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Virtual Reality VR [https://gitlab.com/madsbuvi/openmw openmw vr], [https://github.com/Team-Beef-Studios/BeefRaiderXR BeefRaiderXR], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Virtual Table Top VTT [ Roll20], [https://www.owlbear.rodeo/ owlbear rodeo], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Computer assisted TableTop TTRPG OSR [https://www.rpgsolo.com/play.php RPGSolo], [https://github.com/fpsvogel/solo-ttrpgs Solo TTRPG], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games 2D 3D Engines [https://github.com/fegennari/3DWorld 3DWorld], [https://github.com/GarageGames/Torque3D Torque3D], [https://github.com/gameplay3d/GamePlay GamePlay 3D], [https://www.babylonjs.com/ BabylonJS ], [ Godot], [ Ogre], [ Crystal Space], [], [], [], |<!--AROS-->[https://www.arkhamdev.net/wiki.htm?id=agx Arkham Development antiryadgx 8.9 lts with register], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games C based game frameworks [https://github.com/orangeduck/Corange Corange], [https://github.com/scottcgi/Mojoc Mojoc], [https://orx-project.org/ Orx], [https://github.com/ioquake/ioq3 Quake 3], [https://www.mapeditor.org/ Tiled], [https://www.raylib.com/ 2d Raylib], [https://github.com/Rabios/awesome-raylib other raylib], [https://github.com/MrFrenik/gunslinger Gunslinger], [https://o3de.org/ o3d], [http://archives.aros-exec.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=development/library GLFW], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=development/library Raylib 5], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Virtual Pinball [https://github.com/vpinball/vpinball vpinball], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |} ==Application Guides== [[#top|...to the top]] ===Web Browser=== OWB is now at version 2.0 (which got an engine refresh, from July 2015 to February 2019) and 3.0. This latest version has a good support for many/most web sites, even YouTube web page now works. This improved compatibility comes at the expense of higher RAM usage (now 1GB RAM is the absolute minimum). Also, keep in mind that the lack of a JIT (Just-In-Time) JS compiler on the 32 bit version, makes the web surfing a bit slow. Only the 64 bit version of OWB 2.0 will have JIT enabled, thus benefitting of more speed. There are tooltypes that can be added to the icon to provide further features JIT, MSE etc Certificates from [https://curl.se/docs/caextract.html ca certs], DNS tracking blocking with [https://easylist.to/easylist/easylist.txt easylist.txt] in PROGDIR:Conf before starting browser with enabled AdBlock [https://github.com/easylist/easylist/tree/master easylist], [https://gitlab.com/eyeo anti abp], [https://firebog.net/ big blocklist], [https://github.com/StevenBlack/hosts Steves], [], [], This can be enabled with OWB Odyssey with Windows -> Content Blocking and Windows -> Messages and enter https://www.youtube.com/api/stats/ads* https://www.youtube.com/pagead/adview* https://www.youtube.com#@##player-ads* into your custom filters Element blocker browser extension might be needed for [https://github.com/easylist/easylist/wiki/Youtube-Issues youtube], [ mid roll], [ pre roll], [ ], OWB speed is much better when running from RAM Disk, the best way is to add the below into your S:User-Startup which copies OWB drawer from Extras:Internet/OWB to RAM Disk: So add this : <pre> copy Extras:Internet/OWB Ram:OWB/ ALL CLONE >NIL: copy Extras:Internet/OWB.info Ram: >NIL: </pre> Open RAM Disk and open OWB drawer and double click on OWB icon so that the above icon tooltypes are activated Problems are that the copy time is long (around 20 seconds added in the background), but we can make it faster if we delete useless files from the OWB drawer (docs, …) If you don’t copy the drawer back onto the HD, you won’t save your cache, cookies, passwords… So you need a script for it. Error messages SSL error "cant verify with ca-certificates", check bios clock time date is correct Error 6, try checking networking prefs settings and Save / Use preferences again or a '''few times''' otherwise the network chipset may not be compatible with Aros [https://www.google.com/search?q=%s&udm=14 Google search without AI overview] ===E-mail=== YAM does not support SSL and most mail providers now switched to encrypted SMTP/POP3 connections ====SimpleMail==== SimpleMail supports IMAP and appears to work with GMail, but it's never been reliable enough, it can crash with large mailboxes. Please read more on this [http://www.freelists.org/list/simplemail-usr User list] GMail Be sure to activate the pop3 usage in your gmail account setup / configuration first. pop3: pop.gmail.com Use SSL: Yes Port: 995 smtp: smtp.gmail.com (with authentication) Use Authentication: Yes Use SSL: Yes Port: 465 or 587 Hotmail/MSN/outlook/Microsoft Mail mid-2017, all outlook.com accounts will be migrated to Office 365 / Exchange Most users are currently on POP which does not allow showing folders and many other features (technical limitations of POP3). With Microsoft IMAP you will get folders, sync read/unread, and show flags. You still won't get push though, as Microsoft has not turned on the IMAP Idle command as at Sept 2013. If you want to try it, you need to first remove (you can't edit) your pop account (long-press the account on the accounts screen, delete account). Then set it up this way: 1. Email/Password 2. Manual 3. IMAP 4. * Incoming: imap-mail.outlook.com, port 993, SSL/TLS should be checked * Outgoing: smtp-mail.outlook.com, port 587, SSL/TLS should be checked * POP server name pop-mail.outlook.com, port 995, POP encryption method SSL Yahoo Mail On April 24, 2002 Yahoo ceased to offer POP access to its free mail service. Introducing instead a yearly payment feature, allowing users POP3 and IMAP server support, along with such benefits as larger file attachment sizes and no adverts. Sorry to see Yahoo leaving its users to cough up for the privilege of accessing their mail. Understandable, when competing against rivals such as Gmail and Hotmail who hold a large majority of users and were hacked in 2014 as well. Incoming Mail (IMAP) Server * Server - imap.mail.yahoo.com * Port - 993 * Requires SSL - Yes Outgoing Mail (SMTP) Server * Server - smtp.mail.yahoo.com * Port - 465 or 587 * Requires SSL - Yes * Requires authentication - Yes Your login info * Email address - Your full email address (name@domain.com) * Password - Your account's password * Requires authentication - Yes Note that you need to enable “Web & POP Access” in your Yahoo Mail account to send and receive Yahoo Mail messages through any other email program. You will have to enable “Allow your Yahoo Mail to be POPed” under “POP and Forwarding”, to send and receive Yahoo mails through any other email client. Cannot be done since 2002 unless the customer pays Yahoo a subscription subs fee to have access to SMTP and POP3 * Set the POP server for incoming mails as pop.mail.yahoo.com. You will have to enable “SSL” and use 995 for Port. * “Account Name or Login Name” – Your Yahoo Mail ID i.e. your email address without the domain “@yahoo.com”. * “Email Address” – Your Yahoo Mail address i.e. your email address including the domain “@yahoo.com”. E.g. myname@yahoo.com * “Password” – Your Yahoo Mail password. Yahoo! Mail Plus users may have to set POP server as plus.pop.mail.yahoo.com and SMTP server as plus.smtp.mail.yahoo.com. * Set the SMTP server for outgoing mails as smtp.mail.yahoo.com. You will also have to make sure that “SSL” is enabled and use 465 for port. you must also enable “authentication” for this to work. ====YAM Yet Another Mailer==== YAM does not support SSL and most mail providers have now switched to encrypted SMTP/POP3 connections This email client is POP3 only if the SSL library is available [http://www.freelists.org/list/yam YAM Freelists] One of the downsides of using a POP3 mailer unfortunately - you have to set an option not to delete the mail if you want it left on the server. IMAP keeps all the emails on the server. Possible issues Sending mail issues is probably a matter of using your ISP's SMTP server, though it could also be an SSL issue. getting a "Couldn't initialise TLSv1 / SSL error Use of on-line e-mail accounts with this email client is not possible as it lacks the OpenSSL AmiSSl v3 compatible library GMail Incoming Mail (POP3) Server - requires SSL: pop.gmail.com Use SSL: Yes Port: 995 Outgoing Mail (SMTP) Server - requires TLS: smtp.gmail.com (use authentication) Use Authentication: Yes Use STARTTLS: Yes (some clients call this SSL) Port: 465 or 587 Account Name: your Gmail username (including '@gmail.com') Email Address: your full Gmail email address (username@gmail.com) Password: your Gmail password Anyway, the SMTP is pop.gmail.com port 465 and it uses SSLLv3 Authentication. The POP3 settings are for the same server (pop.gmail.com), only on port 995 instead. Outlook.com access <pre > Outlook.com SMTP server address: smtp.live.com Outlook.com SMTP user name: Your full Outlook.com email address (not an alias) Outlook.com SMTP password: Your Outlook.com password Outlook.com SMTP port: 587 Outlook.com SMTP TLS/SSL encryption required: yes </pre > Yahoo Mail <pre > “POP3 Server” – Set the POP server for incoming mails as pop.mail.yahoo.com. You will have to enable “SSL” and use 995 for Port. “SMTP Server” – Set the SMTP server for outgoing mails as smtp.mail.yahoo.com. You will also have to make sure that “SSL” is enabled and use 465 for port. you must also enable “authentication” for this to work. “Account Name or Login Name” – Your Yahoo Mail ID i.e. your email address without the domain “@yahoo.com”. “Email Address” – Your Yahoo Mail address i.e. your email address including the domain “@yahoo.com”. E.g. myname@yahoo.com “Password” – Your Yahoo Mail password. </pre > Yahoo! Mail Plus users may have to set POP server as plus.pop.mail.yahoo.com and SMTP server as plus.smtp.mail.yahoo.com. Note that you need to enable “Web & POP Access” in your Yahoo Mail account to send and receive Yahoo Mail messages through any other email program. You will have to enable “Allow your Yahoo Mail to be POPed” under “POP and Forwarding”, to send and receive Yahoo mails through any other email client. Cannot be done since 2002 unless the customer pays Yahoo a monthly fee to have access to SMTP and POP3 Microsoft Outlook Express Mail 1. Get the files to your PC. By whatever method get the files off your Amiga onto your PC. In the YAM folder you have a number of different folders, one for each of your folders in YAM. Inside that is a file usually some numbers such as 332423.283. YAM created a new file for every single email you received. 2. Open up a brand new Outlook Express. Just configure the account to use 127.0.0.1 as mail servers. It doesn't really matter. You will need to manually create any subfolders you used in YAM. 3. You will need to do a mass rename on all your email files from YAM. Just add a .eml to the end of it. Amazing how PCs still rely mostly on the file name so it knows what sort of file it is rather than just looking at it! There are a number of multiple renamers online to download and free too. 4. Go into each of your folders, inbox, sent items etc. And do a select all then drag the files into Outlook Express (to the relevant folder obviously) Amazingly the file format that YAM used is very compatible with .eml standard and viola your emails appear. With correct dates and working attachments. 5. If you want your email into Microsoft Outlook. Open that up and create a new profile and a new blank PST file. Then go into File Import and choose to import from Outlook Express. And the mail will go into there. And viola.. you have your old email from your Amiga in a more modern day format. ===FTP=== Magellan has a great FTP module. It allows transferring files from/to a FTP server over the Internet or the local network and, even if FTP is perceived as a "thing of the past", its usability is all inside the client. The FTP thing has a nice side effect too, since every Icaros machine can be a FTP server as well, and our files can be easily transferred from an Icaros machine to another with a little configuration effort. First of all, we need to know the 'server' IP address. Server is the Icaros machine with the file we are about to download on another Icaros machine, that we're going to call 'client'. To do that, move on the server machine and 1) run Prefs/Services to be sure "FTP file transfer" is enabled (if not, enable it and restart Icaros); 2) run a shell and enter this command: ifconfig -a Make a note of the IP address for the network interface used by the local area network. For cabled devices, it usually is net0:. Now go on the client machine and run Magellan: Perform these actions: 1) click on FTP; 2) click on ADDRESS BOOK; 3) click on "New". You can now add a new entry for your Icaros server machine: 1) Choose a name for your server, in order to spot it immediately in the address book. Enter the IP address you got before. 2) click on Custom Options: 1) go to Miscellaneous in the left menu; 2) Ensure "Passive Transfers" is NOT selected; 3) click on Use. We need to deactivate Passive Transfers because YAFS, the FTP server included in Icaros, only allows active transfers at the current stage. Now, we can finally connect to our new file source: 1) Look into the address book for the newly introduced server, be sure that name and IP address are right, and 2) click on Connect. A new lister with server's "MyWorkspace" contents will appear. You can now transfer files over the network choosing a destination among your local (client's) volumes. Can be adapted to any FTP client on any platform of your choice, just be sure your client allows Active Transfers as well. ===IRC Internet Relay Chat=== Jabberwocky is ideal for one-to-one social media communication, use IRC if you require one to many. Just type a message in ''lowercase''' letters and it will be posted to all in the [ AROS irc channel]. Please do not use UPPER CASE as it is a sign of SHOUTING which is annoying. Other things to type in - replace <message> with a line of text and <nick> with a person's name <pre> /help /list /who /whois <nick> /msg <nick> <message> /query <nick> <message>s /query /away <message> /away /quit <going away message> </pre> [http://irchelp.org/irchelp/new2irc.html#smiley Intro guide here]. IRC Primer can be found here in [http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/ircprimer.html html], [http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/text/ircprimer.txt TXT], [http://www.kei.com/irc/IRCprimer1.1.ps PostScript]. Issue the command /me <text> where <text> is the text that should follow your nickname. Example: /me slaps ajk around a bit with a large trout /nick <newNick> /nickserv register <password> <email address> /ns instead of /nickserv, while others might need /msg nickserv /nickserv identify <password> Alternatives: /ns identify <password> /msg nickserv identify <password> ==== IRC WookieChat ==== WookieChat is the most complete internet client for communication across the IRC Network. WookieChat allows you to swap ideas and communicate in real-time, you can also exchange Files, Documents, Images and everything else using the application's DCC capabilities. add smilies drawer/directory run wookiechat from the shell and set stack to 1000000 e.g. wookiechat stack 1000000 select a server / server window * nickname * user name * real name - optional Once you configure the client with your preferred screen name, you'll want to find a channel to talk in. servers * New Server - click on this to add / add extra - change details in section below this click box * New Group * Delete Entry * Connect to server * connect in new tab * perform on connect Change details * Servername - change text in this box to one of the below Server: * Port number - no need to change * Server password * Channel - add #channel from below * auto join - can click this * nick registration password, Click Connect to server button above <pre> Server: irc.freenode.net Channel: #aros </pre> irc://irc.freenode.net/aros <pre> Server: chat.amigaworld.net Channel: #amigaworld or #amigans </pre> <pre> On Sunday evenings USA time usually starting around 3PM EDT (1900 UTC) Server:irc.superhosts.net Channel #team*amiga </pre> <pre> BitlBee and Minbif are IRCd-like gateways to multiple IM networks Server: im.bitlbee.org Port 6667 Seems to be most useful on WookieChat as you can be connected to several servers at once. One for Bitlbee and any messages that might come through that. One for your normal IRC chat server. </pre> [http://www.bitlbee.org/main.php/servers.html Other servers], <pre> #Amiga.org - irc.synirc.net eu.synirc.net dissonance.nl.eu.synirc.net (IPv6: 2002:5511:1356:0:216:17ff:fe84:68a) twilight.de.eu.synirc.net zero.dk.eu.synirc.net us.synirc.net avarice.az.us.synirc.net envy.il.us.synirc.net harpy.mi.us.synirc.net liberty.nj.us.synirc.net snowball.mo.us.synirc.net - Ports 6660-6669 7001 (SSL) </pre> <pre> Multiple server support "Perform on connect" scripts and channel auto-joins Automatic Nickserv login Tabs for channels and private conversations CTCP PING, TIME, VERSION, SOUND Incoming and Outgoing DCC SEND file transfers Colours for different events Logging and automatic reloading of logs mIRC colour code filters Configurable timestamps GUI for changing channel modes easily Configurable highlight keywords URL Grabber window Optional outgoing swear word filter Event sounds for tabs opening, highlighted words, and private messages DCC CHAT support Doubleclickable URL's Support for multiple languages using LOCALE Clone detection Auto reconnection to Servers upon disconnection Command aliases Chat display can be toggled between AmIRC and mIRC style Counter for Unread messages Graphical nicklist and graphical smileys with a popup chooser </pre> ====IRC Aircos ==== Double click on Aircos icon in Extras:Networking/Apps/Aircos. It has been set up with a guest account for trial purposes. Though ideally, choose a nickname and password for frequent use of irc. ====IRC and XMPP Jabberwocky==== Servers are setup and close down at random You sign up to a server that someone else has setup and access chat services through them. The two ways to access chat from jabberwocky <pre > Jabberwocky -> Server -> XMPP -> open and ad-free Jabberwocky -> Server -> Transports (Gateways) -> Proprietary closed systems </pre > The Jabber.org service connects with all IM services that use XMPP, the open standard for instant messaging and presence over the Internet. The services we connect with include Google Talk (closed), Live Journal Talk, Nimbuzz, Ovi, and thousands more. However, you can not connect from Jabber.org to proprietary services like AIM, ICQ, MSN, Skype, or Yahoo because they don’t yet use XMPP components (XEP-0114) '''but''' you can use Jabber.com's servers and IM gateways (MSN, ICQ, Yahoo etc.) instead. The best way to use jabberwocky is in conjunction with a public jabber server with '''transports''' to your favorite services, like gtalk, Facebook, yahoo, ICQ, AIM, etc. You have to register with one of the servers, [https://list.jabber.at/ this list] or [http://www.jabberes.org/servers/ another list], [http://xmpp.net/ this security XMPP list], Unfortunately jabberwocky can only connect to one server at a time so it is best to check what services each server offers. If you set it up with separate Facebook and google talk accounts, for example, sometimes you'll only get one or the other. Jabberwocky open a window where the Jabber server part is typed in as well as your Nickname and Password. Jabber ID (JID) identifies you to the server and other users. Once registered the next step is to goto Jabberwocky's "Windows" menu and select the "Agents" option. The "Agents List" window will open. Roster (contacts list) [http://search.wensley.org.uk/ Chatrooms] (MUC) are available File Transfer - can send and receive files through the Jabber service but not with other services like IRC, ICQ, AIM or Yahoo. All you need is an installed webbrowser and OpenURL. Clickable URLs - The message window uses Mailtext.mcc and you can set a URL action in the MUI mailtext prefs like SYS:Utils/OpenURL %s NEWWIN. There is no consistent Skype like (H.323 VoIP) video conferencing available over Jabber. The move from xmpp to Jingle should help but no support on any amiga-like systems at the moment. [http://aminet.net/package/dev/src/AmiPhoneSrc192 AmiPhone] and [http://www.lysator.liu.se/%28frame,faq,nobg,useframes%29/ahi/v4-site/ Speak Freely] was an early attempt voice only contact. SIP and Asterisk are other PBX options. Facebook If you're using the XMPP transport provided by Facebook themselves, chat.facebook.com, it looks like they're now requiring SSL transport. This means jabberwocky method below will no longer work. The best thing to do is to create an ID on a public jabber server which has a Facebook gateway. <pre > 1. launch jabberwocky 2. if the login window doesn't appear on launch, select 'account' from the jabberwocky menu 3. your jabber ID will be user@chat.facebook.com where user is your user ID 4. your password is your normal facebook password 5. to save this for next time, click the popup gadget next to the ID field 6. click the 'add' button 7. click the 'close' button 8. click the 'connect' button </pre > you're done. you can also click the 'save as default account' button if you want. jabberwocky configured to auto-connect when launching the program, but you can configure as you like. there is amigaguide documentation included with jabberwocky. [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=37085&forum=32 Read more here] for Facebook users, you can log-in directly to Facebook with jabberwocky. just sign in as @chat.facebook.com with your Facebook password as the password Twitter For a few years, there has been added a twitter transport. Servers include [http://jabber.hot-chilli.net/ jabber.hot-chili.net], and . An [http://jabber.hot-chilli.net/tag/how-tos/ How-to] :Read [http://jabber.hot-chilli.net/2010/05/09/twitter-transport-working/ more] Instagram no support at the moment best to use a web browser based client ICQ The new version (beta) of StriCQ uses a newer ICQ protocol. Most of the ICQ Jabber Transports still use an older ICQ protocol. You can only talk one-way to StriCQ using the older Transports. Only the newer ICQv7 Transport lets you talk both ways to StriCQ. Look at the server lists in the first section to check. Register on a Jabber server, e.g. this one works: http://www.jabber.de/ Then login into Jabberwocky with the following login data e.g. xxx@jabber.de / Password: xxx Now add your ICQ account under the window->Agents->"Register". Now Jabberwocky connects via the Jabber.de server with your ICQ account. Yahoo Messenger although yahoo! does not use xmpp protocol, you should be able to use the transport methods to gain access and post your replies MSN early months of 2013 Microsoft will ditch MSN Messenger client and force everyone to use Skype...but MSN protocol and servers will keep working as usual for quite a long time.... Occasionally the Messenger servers have been experiencing problems signing in. You may need to sign in at www.outlook.com and then try again. It may also take multiple tries to sign in. (This also affects you if you’re using Skype.) You have to check each servers' Agents List to see what transports (MSN protocol, ICQ protocol, etc.) are supported or use the list address' provided in the section above. Then register with each transport (IRC, MSN, ICQ, etc.) to which you need access. After registering you can Connect to start chatting. msn.jabber.com/registered should appear in the window. From this [http://tech.dir.groups.yahoo.com/group/amiga-jabberwocky/message/1378 JW group] guide which helps with this process in a clear, step by step procedure. 1. Sign up on MSN's site for a passport account. This typically involves getting a Hotmail address. 2. Log on to the Jabber server of your choice and do the following: * Select the "Windows/Agents" menu option in Jabberwocky. * Select the MSN Agent from the list presented by the server. * Click the Register button to open a new window asking for: **Username = passort account email address, typically your hotmail address. **Nick = Screen name to be shown to anyone you add to your buddy list. **Password = Password for your passport account/hotmail address. * Click the Register button at the bottom of the new window. 3. If all goes well, you will see the MSN Gateway added to your buddy list. If not, repeat part 2 on another server. Some servers may show MSN in their list of available agents, but have not updated their software for the latest protocols used by MSN. 4. Once you are registered, you can now add people to your buddy list. Note that you need to include the '''msn.''' ahead of the servername so that it knows what gateway agent to use. Some servers may use a slight variation and require '''msg.gate.''' before the server name, so try both to see what works. If my friend's msn was amiga@hotmail.co.uk and my jabber server was @jabber.meta.net.nz.. then amiga'''%'''hotmail.com@'''msn.'''jabber.meta.net.nz or another the trick to import MSN contacts is that you don't type the hotmail URL but the passport URL... e.g. Instead of: goodvibe%hotmail.com@msn.jabber.com You type: goodvibe%passport.com@msn.jabber.com And the thing about importing contacts I'm afraid you'll have to do it by hand, one at the time... Google Talk any XMPP server will work, but you have to add your contacts manually. a google talk user is typically either @gmail.com or @talk.google.com. a true gtalk transport is nice because it brings your contacts to you and (can) also support file transfers to/from google talk users. implement Jingle a set of extensions to the IETF's Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (XMPP) support ended early 2014 as Google moved to Google+ Hangouts which uses it own proprietary format ===Video Player MPlayer=== Many of the menu features (such as doubling) do not work with the current version of mplayer but using 4:3 mplayer -vf scale=800:600 file.avi 16:9 mplayer -vf scale=854:480 file.avi if you want gui use; mplayer -gui 1 <other params> file.avi <pre > stack 1000000 ; using AspireOS 1.xx ; copy FROM SYS:Extras/Multimedia/MPlayer/ TO RAM:MPlayer ALL CLONE > Nil: ; using Icaros Desktop 1.x ; copy FROM SYS:Tools/MPlayer/ TO RAM:MPlayer ALL CLONE > Nil: ; using Icaros Desktop 2.x ; copy FROM SYS:Utilities/MPlayer/ TO RAM:MPlayer ALL CLONE > Nil: cd RAM:MPlayer run MPlayer -gui > Nil: ;run MPlayer -gui -ao ahi_dev -playlist http://www.radio-paralax.de/listen.pls > Nil: </pre > $ mplayer rtsp://127.0.0.1:554/sample_300kbit.mp4 MPlayer supports multicast streaming, and rtp/rtsp protocols (it might require [http://www.live555.com/openRTSP/ live555 library] to work with some streams). But you might have to build it where it's disabled. Also, multicast won't work with some AmiTCP-likes. MIAMI supported it, though. AROS supports IPv4 (old but works) and this includes the needed address space for RTP. If you mean multicast via RTP - mplayer handles it. You can even force UDP over TCP -rtsp-stream-over-tcp If the rtsp Real Time Streaming Protocol server needs authentification: -user -passwd MPlayer - Menu - Open Playlist and load already downloaded .pls or .m3u file - auto starts around 4 percent cache MPlayer - Menu - Open Stream and copy one of the .pls lines below into space allowed, press OK and press play button on main gui interface Old 8bit 16bit remixes chip tune game music http://www.radio-paralax.de/listen.pls http://scenesat.com/ http://www.shoutcast.com/radio/Amiga http://www.theoldcomputer.com/retro_radio/RetroRadio_Main.htm http://www.kohina.com/ http://www.remix64.com/ http://retrogamer.net/forum/ http://retroasylum.podomatic.com/rss2.xml http://retrogamesquad.com/ http://www.retronauts.com/ http://monsterfeet.com/noquarter/ http://www.retrogamingradio.com/ http://www.radiofeeds.co.uk/mp3.asp [[#top|...to the top]] ====ZunePaint==== simplified typical workflow * importing and organizing and photo management * making global and regional local correction(s) - recalculation is necessary after each adjustment as it is not in real-time * exporting your images in the best format available with the preservation of metadata Whilst achieving 80% of a great photo with just a filter, the remaining 20% comes from a manual fine-tuning of specific image attributes. For photojournalism, documentary, and event coverage, minimal touching is recommended. Stick to Camera Raw for such shots, and limit changes to level adjustment, sharpness, noise reduction, and white balance correction. For fashion or portrait shoots, a large amount of adjustment is allowed and usually ends up far from the original. Skin smoothing, blemish removal, eye touch-ups, etc. are common. Might alter the background a bit to emphasize the subject. Product photography usually requires a lot of sharpening, spot removal, and focus stacking. For landscape shots, best results are achieved by doing the maximum amount of preparation before/while taking the shot. No amount of processing can match timing, proper lighting, correct gear, optimal settings, etc. Excessive post-processing might give you a dramatic shot but best avoided in the long term. * White Balance - Left Amiga or F12 and K and under "Misc color effects" tab with a pull down for White Balance - color temperature also known as AKA tint (movies) or tones (painting) - warm temp raise red reduce green blue - cool raise blue lower red green * Exposure - exposure compensation, highlight/shadow recovery * Noise Reduction - during RAW development or using external software * Lens Corrections - distortion, vignetting, chromatic aberrations * Detail - capture sharpening and local contrast enhancement * Contrast - black point, levels (sliders) and curves tools (F12 and K) * Framing - straighten () and crop (F12 and F) * Refinements - color adjustments and selective enhancements - Left Amiga or F12 and K for RGB and YUV histogram tabs - * Resizing - enlarge for a print or downsize for the web or email (F12 and D) * Output Sharpening - customized for your subject matter and print/screen size White Balance - F12 and K scan your image for a shade which was meant to be white (neutral with each RGB value being equal) like paper or plastic which is in the same light as the subject of the picture. Use the dropper tool to select this color, similar colours will shift and you will have selected the perfect white balance for your part of the image - for the whole picture make sure RAZ or CLR button at the bottom is pressed before applying to the image above. Exposure correction F12 and K - YUV Y luminosity - RGB extra red tint - move red curve slightly down and move blue green curves slightly up Workflows in practice * Undo - Right AROS key or F12 and Z * Redo - Right AROS key or F12 and R First flatten your image (if necessary) and then do a rotation until the picture looks level. * Crop the picture. Click the selection button and drag a box over the area of the picture you want to keep. Press the crop button and the rest of the photo will be gone. * Adjust your saturation, exposure, hue levels, etc., (right AROS Key and K for color correction) until you are happy with the photo. Make sure you zoom in all of the way to 100% and look the photo over, zoom back out and move around. Look for obvious problems with the picture. * After coloring and exposure do a sharpen (Right AROS key and E for Convolution and select drop down option needed), e.g. set the matrix to 5x5 (roughly equivalent Amount to 60%) and set the Radius to 1.0. Click OK. And save your picture Implemented or would like to see for simplification and ease of use basic filters (presets) like black and white, monochrome, edge detection (sobel), motion/gaussian blur, * negative, sepiatone, retro vintage, night vision, colour tint, color gradient, color temperature, glows, fire, lightning, lens flare, emboss, filmic, pixelate mezzotint, antialias, etc. adjust / cosmetic tools such as crop, * reshaping tools, straighten, smear, smooth, perspective, liquify, bloat, pucker, push pixels in any direction, dispersion, transform like warp, blending with soft light, page-curl, whirl, ripple, fisheye, neon, etc. * red eye fixing, blemish remover, skin smoothing, teeth whitener, make eyes look brighter, desaturate, effects like oil paint, cartoon, pencil sketch, charcoal, noise/matrix like sharpen/unsharpen, (right AROS key with A for Artistic effects) * blend two image, gradient blend, masking blend, explode, implode, custom collage, surreal painting, comic book style, needlepoint, stained glass, watercolor, mosaic, stencil/outline, crayon, chalk, etc. borders such as * dropshadow, rounded, blurred, color tint, picture frame, film strip polaroid, bevelled edge, etc. brushes e.g. * frost, smoke, etc. and manual control of fix lens issues including vignetting (darkening), color fringing and barrel distortion, and chromatic and geometric aberration - lens and body profiles perspective correction levels - directly modify the levels of the tone-values of an image, by using sliders for highlights, midtones and shadows curves - Color Adjustment and Brightness/Contrast color balance one single color transparent (alpha channel (color information/selections) for masking and/or blending ) for backgrounds, etc. Threshold indicates how much other colors will be considered mixture of the removed color and non-removed colors decompose layer into a set of layers with each holding a different type of pattern that is visible within the image any selection using any selecting tools like lasso tool, marquee tool etc. the selection will temporarily be save to alpha If you create your image without transparency then the Alpha channel is not present, but you can add later. File formats like .psd (Photoshop file has layers, masks etc. contains edited sensor data. The original sensor data is no longer available) .xcf .raw .hdr Image Picture Formats * low dynamic range (JPEG, PNG, TIFF 8-bit), 16-bit (PPM, TIFF), typically as a 16-bit TIFF in either ProPhoto or AdobeRGB colorspace - TIFF files are also fairly universal – although, if they contain proprietary data, such as Photoshop Adjustment Layers or Smart Filters, then they can only be opened by Photoshop making them proprietary. * linear high dynamic range (HDR) images (PFM, [http://www.openexr.com/ ILM .EXR], jpg, [http://aminet.net/util/dtype cr2] (canon tiff based), hdr, NEF, CRW, ARW, MRW, ORF, RAF (Fuji), PEF, DCR, SRF, ERF, DNG files are RAW converted to an Adobe proprietary format - a container that can embed the raw file as well as the information needed to open it) An old version of [http://archives.aros-exec.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/convert dcraw] There is no single RAW file format. Each camera manufacturer has one or more unique RAW formats. RAW files contain the brightness levels data captured by the camera sensor. This data cannot be modified. A second smaller file, separate XML file, or within a database with instructions for the RAW processor to change exposure, saturation etc. The extra data can be changed but the original sensor data is still there. RAW is technically least compatible. A raw file is high-bit (usually 12 or 14 bits of information) but a camera-generated TIFF file will be usually converted by the camera (compressed, downsampled) to 8 bits. The raw file has no embedded color balance or color space, but the TIFF has both. These three things (smaller bit depth, embedded color balance, and embedded color space) make it so that the TIFF will lose quality more quickly with image adjustments than the raw file. The camera-generated TIFF image is much more like a camera processed JPEG than a raw file. A strong advantage goes to the raw file. The power of RAW files, such as the ability to set any color temperature non-destructively and will contain more tonal values. The principle of preserving the maximum amount of information to as late as possible in the process. The final conversion - which will always effectively represent a "downsampling" - should prevent as much loss as possible. Once you save it as TIFF, you throw away some of that data irretrievably. When saving in the lossy JPEG format, you get tremendous file size savings, but you've irreversibly thrown away a lot of image data. As long as you have the RAW file, original or otherwise, you have access to all of the image data as captured. Keyboard equivalence with Photoshop(tm) would help File PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP New Ctrl+n New Open Ctrl+o Open Close Ctrl+w Close Save Ctrl+s Save Save as Shift+Ctrl+s Save as Revert F12 Revert Print Ctrl+p Print Exit Ctrl+q Quit Edit PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Undo/Redo (1 level) Ctrl+z Undo (Redo is Shift+Ctrl+z) Cut Ctrl+x Cut Copy Ctrl+c Copy Paste Ctrl+v Paste Paste Into Shift+Ctrl+v Paste Into Fill with FG color Alt+Backspace Fill with FG color Fill with BG color Control+Backspace Fill with BG color Image/Colors PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Levels Ctrl+l Levels Auto Contrast Shift+Ctrl+Alt+l Stretch Contrast (same?) Curves Ctrl+m Curves Color Balance Ctrl+b Color Balance Hue/Saturation Ctrl+u Hue-Saturation Desaturate Shift+Ctrl+u Desaturate Invert Ctrl+i Invert Default Colors d Default Colors Switch Colors x Switch Colors Layer PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP New Layer Shift+Ctrl+n New Layer Layer via Copy Ctrl+j Duplicate Layer Bring (layer) to Front Shift+Ctrl+] Layer to Top Send (layer) to Back Shift+Ctrl+[ Layer to Bottom Bring (layer) Forward Ctrl+] Raise Layer Send (layer) Backward Ctrl+[ Lower Layer Select Top Layer Shift+Alt+] Select Top Layer Select Bottom Layer Shift+Alt+[ Select Bottom Layer Select One Layer Forward Alt+] Select Previous Layer Select One Layer Backward Alt+[ Select Next Layer Merge Down Ctrl+e Merge Down Merge Visible Shift+Ctrl+e Merge Visible Preserve Transparency / Keep Transparency Cycle Modes Forwards Shift+= Next Layer Mode Cycle Modes Backwards Shift+- Previous Layer Mode Select PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Select All Ctrl+a Select All Deselect Ctrl+d Select None Inverse Shift+Ctrl+i Invert Feather Ctrl+Alt+d Feather View PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Zoom In Ctrl+= Zoom In Zoom Out Ctrl+- Zoom Out Fit on Screen Ctrl+0 Zoom to Fit Window Actual Pixels Ctrl+Alt+0 Zoom 1:1 Show/Hide Extras Ctrl+h Toggle Show Selection (close enough?) Show/Hide Guides Ctrl+' Toggle Show Guides Show/Hide Grid Ctrl+Alt+' Toggle Show Grid Show/Hide Rulers Ctrl+r Toggle Show Rulers Snap Ctrl+; Snap to Guides Scroll View Up Page Up Scroll Page Up Scroll View Down Page Down Scroll Page Down Scroll View Left Ctrl+Page Up Scroll Page Left Scroll View Right Ctrl+Page Down Scroll Page Right Window/Dialogs PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP ? F5 Tools Dialog Color Tab F6 Colors Dialog Layers Tab F7 Layers Dialog Info Tab F8 Image Information Tools PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Rectangular Marquee Tool m Rect Select Tool Elliptical Marquee Tool Shift+m Ellipse Select Tool *This is a toggle between 'Elliptical Marquee Tool' and 'Rectangular Marquee Tool' in Photoshop Move Tool v Move Tool Lasso Tool l Free Select Tool Magic Wand Tool w Fuzzy Select Tool Crop Tool c Crop & Resize Tool Airbrush Tool j Airbrush Tool Paintbrush Tool b Paintbrush Tool Clone Stamp Tool s Clone Stamp Tool Eraser Tool e Eraser Tool Gradient Tool g Blend Tool Paint Bucket Tool Shift+g Bucket Fill Tool *This is a toggle between 'Paint Bucket Tool' and 'Gradient Tool' in Photoshop Blur Tool r Convolve Tool Dodge Tool o DodgeBurn Tool Type Tool t Text Tool Pen Tool p Bezier Select Tool Eye Dropper Tool i Color Picker Tool Zoom Tool z Magnify Tool Previous Brush , Previous Brush Next Brush . Next Brush First Brush Shift+< First Brush Last Brush Shift+> Last Brush Decrease Brush Size [ Decrease Brush Size Increase Brush Size ] Increase Brush Size Decrease Brush Hardness { Decrease Brush Hardness Increase Brush Hardness } Increase Brush Hardness Help PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Help F1 Help Context Help Shift+F1 Context Help Misc. PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Last Filter Ctrl+f Repeat Last Filter ? Shift+Ctrl+f Reshow Last Filter Preferences Ctrl+k Preferences Liquify Shift+Ctrl+x IWarp (close enough?) Toggle Quick Mask q Toggle Quick Mask Spotlights - triangle of white opaque shape Cutting out and/or replacing unwanted background or features - select large areas with the selection option like the Magic Wand tool (aka Color Range) or the Lasso (quick and fast) with feather 2 to soften edge or the pen tool which adds points/lines/Bézier curves (better control but slower), hold down the shift button as you click to add extra points/areas of the subject matter to remove. Increase the tolerance to cover more areas. To subtract from your selection hold down alt as you're clicking. * Layer masks are a better way of working than Erase they clip (black hides/hidden white visible/reveal). Clone Stamp can be simulated by and brushes for other areas. * Leave the fine details like hair, fur, etc. to later with lasso and the shift key to draw a line all the way around your subject. Gradient Mapping - Inverse - Mask. i.e. Refine your selected image with edge detection and using the radius and edge options / adjuster (increase/decrease contrast) so that you will capture more fine detail from the background allowing easier removal. Remove fringe/halo saving image as png rather than jpg/jpeg to keep transparency background intact. Implemented [http://colorizer.org/ colour model representations] [http://paulbourke.net/texture_colour/colourspace/ Mathematical approach] - Photo stills are spatially 2d (h and w), but are colorimetrically 3d (r g and b, or H L S, or Y U V etc.) as well. * RGB - split cubed mapped color model for photos and computer graphics hardware using the light spectrum (adding and subtracting) * YUV - Y-Lightness U-blue/yellow V-red/cyan (similar to YPbPr and YCbCr) used in the PAL, NTSC, and SECAM composite digital TV color [http://crewofone.com/2012/chroma-subsampling-and-transcoding/#comment-7299 video] Histograms White balanced (neutral) if the spike happens in the same place in each channel of the RGB graphs. If not, you're not balanced. If you have sky you'll see the blue channel further off to the right. RGB is best one to change colours. These elements RGB is a 3-channel format containing data for Red, Green, and Blue in your photo scale between 0 and 255. The area in a picture that appears to be brighter/whiter contains more red color as compared to the area which is relatively darker. Similarly in the green channel the area that appears to be darker contains less amount of green color as compared to the area that appears to be brighter. Similarly in the blue channel the area appears to be darker contains less amount of blue color as compared to the area that appears to be brighter. Brightness luminance histogram also matches the green histogram more than any other color - human eye interprets green better e.g. RGB rough ratio 15/55/30% RGBA (RGB+A, A means alpha channel) . The alpha channel is used for "alpha compositing", which can mostly be associated as "opacity". AROS deals in RGB with two digits for every color (red, green, blue), in ARGB you have two additional hex digits for the alpha channel. The shadows are represented by the left third of the graph. The highlights are represented by the right third. And the midtones are, of course, in the middle. The higher the black peaks in the graph, the more pixels are concentrated in that tonal range (total black area). By moving the black endpoint, which identifies the shadows (darkness) and a white light endpoint (brightness) up and down either sides of the graph, colors are adjusted based on these points. By dragging the central one, can increased the midtones and control the contrast, raise shadows levels, clip or softly eliminate unsafe levels, alter gamma, etc... in a way that is much more precise and creative . RGB Curves * Move left endpoint (black point) up or right endpoint (white point) up brightens * Move left endpoint down or right endpoint down darkens Color Curves * Dragging up on the Red Curve increases the intensity of the reds in the image but * Dragging down on the Red Curve decreases the intensity of the reds and thus increases the apparent intensity of its complimentary color, cyan. Green’s complimentary color is magenta, and blue’s is yellow. <pre> Red <-> Cyan Green <->Magenta Blue <->Yellow </pre> YUV Best option to analyse and pull out statistical elements of any picture (i.e. separate luminance data from color data). The line in Y luma tone box represents the brightness of the image with the point in the bottom left been black, and the point in the top right as white. A low-contrast image has a concentrated clump of values nearer to the center of the graph. By comparison, a high-contrast image has a wider distribution of values across the entire width of the Histogram. A histogram that is skewed to the right would indicate a picture that is a bit overexposed because most of the color data is on the lighter side (increase exposure with higher value F), while a histogram with the curve on the left shows a picture that is underexposed. This is good information to have when using post-processing software because it shows you not only where the color data exists for a given picture, but also where any data has been clipped (extremes on edges of either side): that is, it does not exist and, therefore, cannot be edited. By dragging the endpoints of the line and as well as the central one, can increased the dark/shadows, midtones and light/bright parts and control the contrast, raise shadows levels, clip or softly eliminate unsafe levels, alter gamma, etc... in a way that is much more precise and creative . The U and V chroma parts show color difference components of the image. It’s useful for checking whether or not the overall chroma is too high, and also whether it’s being limited too much Can be used to create a negative image but also With U (Cb), the higher value you are, the more you're on the blue primary color. If you go to the low values then you're on blue complementary color, i.e. yellow. With V (Cr), this is the same principle but with Red and Cyan. e.g. If you push U full blue and V full red, you get magenta. If you push U full yellow and V full Cyan then you get green. YUV simultaneously adds to one side of the color equation while subtracting from the other. using YUV to do color correction can be very problematic because each curve alters the result of each other: the mutual influence between U and V often makes things tricky. You may also be careful in what you do to avoid the raise of noise (which happens very easily). Best results are obtained with little adjustments sunset that looks uninspiring and needs some color pop especially for the rays over the hill, a subtle contrast raise while setting luma values back to the legal range without hard clipping. Free royalty pictures, [www.freeimages.com ], [http://imageshack.us/ ], [http://photobucket.com/ ], [http://rawpixels.net/], [], [], [], ====Lunapaint==== Pixel based drawing app with onion-skin animation function Blocking, Shading, Coloring, adding detail <pre> b BRUSH e ERASER alt eyedropper v layer tool z ZOOM / MAGNIFY < > n spc panning m marque q lasso w same color selection / region </pre> <pre> , LM RM v V f filter F . size p , pick color [] last / next color </pre> There is not much missing in Lunapaint to be as good as FlipBook and then you have to take into account that Flipbook is considered to be amongst the best and easiest to use animation software out there. Ok to be honest Flipbook has some nice features that require more heavy work but those aren't so much needed right away, things like camera effects, sound, smart fill, export to different movie file formats etc. Tried Flipbook with my tablet and compared it to Luna. The feeling is the same when sketching. LunaPaint is very responsive/fluent to draw with. Just as Flipbook is, and that responsiveness is something its users have mentioned as one of the positive sides of said software. author was learning MUI. Some parts just have to be rewritten with proper MUI classes before new features can be added. * add [Frame Add] / [Frame Del] * whole animation feature is impossible to use. If you draw 2 color maybe but if you start coloring your cells then you get in trouble * pickup the entire image as a brush, not just a selection ? And consequently remove the brush from memory when one doesn't need it anymore. can pick up a brush and put it onto a new image but cropping isn't possible, nor to load/save brushes. * Undo is something I longed for ages in Lunapaint. * to import into the current layer, other types of images (e.g. JPEG) besides RAW64. * implement graphic tablet features support **GENERAL DRAWING** Miss it very much: UNDO ERASER COLORPICKER - has to show on palette too which color got picked. BACKGROUND COLOR -Possibility to select from "New project screen" Miss it somewhat: ICON for UNDO ICON for ERASER ICON for CLEAR SCREEN ( What can I say? I start over from scratch very often ) BRUSH - possibility to cut out as brush not just copy off image to brush **ANIMATING** Miss it very much: NUMBER OF CELLS - Possibity to change total no. of cells during project ANIM BRUSH - Possibility to pick up a selected part of cells into an animbrush Miss it somewhat: ADD/REMOVE FRAMES: Add/remove single frame In general LunaPaint is really well done and it feels like a new DeluxePaint version. It works with my tablet. Sure there's much missing of course but things can always be added over time. So there is great potential in LunaPaint that's for sure. Animations could be made in it and maybe put together in QuickVideo, saving in .gif or .mng etc some day. LAYERS -Layers names don't get saved globally in animation frames -Layers order don't change globally in an animation (perhaps as default?). EXPORTING IMAGES -Exporting frames to JPG/PNG gives problems with colors. (wrong colors. See my animatiopn --> My robot was blue now it's "gold" ) I think this only happens if you have layers. -Trying to flatten the layers before export doesn't work if you have animation frames only the one you have visible will flatten properly all other frames are destroyed. (Only one of the layers are visible on them) -Exporting images filenames should be for example e.g. file0001, file0002...file0010 instead as of now file1, file2...file10 LOAD/SAVE (Preferences) -Make a setting for the default "Work" folder. * Destroyed colors if exported image/frame has layers * mystic color cycling of the selected color while stepping frames back/forth (annoying) <pre> Deluxe Paint II enhanced key shortcuts NOTE: @ denotes the ALT key [Technique] F1 - Paint F2 - Single Colour F3 - Replace F4 - Smear F5 - Shade F6 - Cycle F7 - Smooth M - Colour Cycle [Brush] B - Restore O - Outline h - Halve brush size H - Double brush size x - Flip brush on X axis X - Double brush size on X axis only y - Flip on Y Y - Double on Y z - Rotate brush 90 degrees Z - Stretch [Stencil] ` - Stencil On [Miscellaneous] F9 - Info Bar F10 - Selection Bar @o - Co-Ordinates @a - Anti-alias @r - Colourise @t - Translucent TAB - Colour Cycle [Picture] L - Load S - Save j - Page to Spare(Flip) J - Page to Spare(Copy) V - View Page Q - Quit [General Keys] m - Magnify < - Zoom In > - Zoom Out [ - Palette Colour Up ] - Palette Colour Down ( - Palette Colour Left ) - Palette Colour Right , - Eye Dropper . - Pixel / Brush Toggle / - Symmetry | - Co-Ordinates INS - Perspective Control +/- - Brush Size (Fine Control) w - Unfilled Polygon W - Filled Polygon e - Unfilled Ellipse E - Filled Ellipse r - Unfilled Rectangle R - Filled Rectangle t - Type/text tool a - Select Font u/U - Undo d - Brush D - Filled Non-Uniform Polygon f/F - Fill Options g/G - Grid h/H - Brush Size (Coarse Control) K - Clear c - Unfilled Circle C - Filled Circle v - Line b - Scissor Select and Toggle B - Brush {,} - Toggle between two background colours </pre> ====Lodepaint==== Pixel based painting artwork app ====Grafx2==== Pixel based painting artwork app aesprite like [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59Y6OTzNrhk aesprite workflow keys and tablet use], [], ====Vector Graphics ZuneFIG==== Vector Image Editing of files .svg .ps .eps *Objects - raise lower rotate flip aligning snapping *Path - unify subtract intersect exclude divide *Colour - fill stroke *Stroke - size *Brushes - *Layers - *Effects - gaussian bevels glows shadows *Text - *Transform - AmiFIG ([http://epb.lbl.gov/xfig/frm_introduction.html xfig manual]) [[File:MyScreen.png|thumb|left|alt=Showing all Windows open in AmiFIG.|All windows available to AmiFIG.]] for drawing simple to intermediate vector graphic images for scientific and technical uses and for illustration purposes for those with talent ;Menu options * Load - fig format but import(s) SVG * Save - fig format but export(s) eps, ps, pdf, svg and png * PAN = Ctrl + Arrow keys * Deselect all points There is no selected object until you apply the tool, and the selected object is not highlighted. ;Metrics - to set up page and styles - first window to open on new drawings ;Tools - Drawing Primitives - set Attributes window first before clicking any Tools button(s) * Shapes - circles, ellipses, arcs, splines, boxes, polygon * Lines - polylines * Text "T" button * Photos - bitmaps * Compound - Glue, Break, Scale * POINTs - Move, Add, Remove * Objects - Move, Copy, Delete, Mirror, Rotate, Paste use right mouse button to stop extra lines, shapes being formed and the left mouse to select/deselect tools button(s) * Rotate - moves in 90 degree turns centered on clicked POINT of a polygon or square ;Attributes which provide change(s) to the above primitives * Color * Line Width * Line Style * arrowheads ;Modes Choose from freehand, charts, figures, magnet, etc. ;Library - allows .fig clip-art to be stored * compound tools to add .fig(s) together ;FIG 3.2 [http://epb.lbl.gov/xfig/fig-format.html Format] as produced by xfig version 3.2.5 <pre> Landscape Center Inches Letter 100.00 Single -2 1200 2 4 0 0 50 -1 0 12 0.0000 4 135 1050 1050 2475 This is a test.01 </pre> # change the text alignment within the textbox. I can choose left, center, or right aligned by either changing the integer in the second column from 0 (left) to 1 or 2 (center, or right). # The third integer in the row specifies fontcolor. For instance, 0 is black, but blue is 1 and Green3 is 13. # The sixth integer in the bottom row specifies fontface. 0 is Times-Roman, but 16 is Helvetica (a MATLAB default). # The seventh number is fontsize. 12 represents a 12pt fontsize. Changing the fontsize of an item really is as easy as changing that number to 20. # The next number is the counter-clockwise angle of the text. Notice that I have changed the angle to .7854 (pi/4 rounded to four digits=45 degrees). # twelfth number is the position according to the standard “x-axis” in Xfig units from the left. Note that 1200 Xfig units is equivalent to once inch. # thirteenth number is the “y-position” from the top using the same unit convention as before. * The nested text string is what you entered into the textbox. * The “01″ present at the end of that line in the .fig file is the closing tag. For instance, a change to \100 appends a @ symbol at the end of the period of that sentence. ; Just to note there are no layers, no 3d functions, no shading, no transparency, no animation [[#top|...to the top]] ===Audio=== # AHI uses linear panning/balance, which means that in the center, you will get -6dB. If an app uses panning, this is what you will get. Note that apps like Audio Evolution need panning, so they will have this problem. # When using AHI Hifi modes, mixing is done in 32-bit and sent as 32-bit data to the driver. The Envy24HT driver uses that to output at 24-bit (always). # For the Envy24/Envy24HT, I've made 16-bit and 24-bit inputs (called Line-in 16-bit, Line-in 24-bit etc.). There is unfortunately no app that can handle 24-bit recording. ====Music Mods==== Digital module (mods) trackers are music creation software using samples and sometimes soundfonts, audio plugins (VST, AU or RTAS), MIDI. Generally, MODs are similar to MIDI in that they contain note on/off and other sequence messages that control the mod player. Unlike (most) midi files, however, they also contain sound samples that the sequence information actually plays. MOD files can have many channels (classic amiga mods have 4, corresponding to the inbuilt sound channels), but unlike MIDI, each channel can typically play only one note at once. However, since that note might be a sample of a chord, a drumloop or other complex sound, this is not as limiting as it sounds. Like MIDI, notes will play indefinitely if they're not instructed to end. Most trackers record this information automatically if you play your music in live. If you're using manual note entry, you can enter a note-off command with a keyboard shortcut - usually Caps Lock. In fact when considering file size MOD is not always the best option. Even a dummy song wastes few kilobytes for nothing when a simple SID tune could be few hundreds bytes and not bigger than 64kB. AHX is another small format, AHX tunes are never larger than 64kB excluding comments. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXXsZfwgil Protrekkr] (previously aka [w:Juan_Antonio_Arguelles_Rius|NoiseTrekkr]) If Protrekkr does not start, please check if the Unit 0 has been setup in the AHI prefs and still not, go to the directory utilities/protrekkr and double click on the Protrekkr icon *Sample *Note - Effect *Track (column) - Pattern - Order It all starts with the Sample which is used to create Note(s) in a Track (column of a tracker) The Note can be changed with an Effect. A Track of Note(s) can be collected into a Pattern (section of a song) and these can be given Order to create the whole song. Patience (notes have to be entered one at a time) or playing the bassline on a midi controller (faster - see midi section above). Best approach is to wait until a melody popped into your head. *Up-tempo means the track should be reasonably fast, but not super-fast. *Groovy and funky imply the track should have some sort of "swing" feel, with plenty of syncopation or off beat emphasis and a recognizable, melodic bass line. *Sweet and happy mean upbeat melodies, a major key and avoiding harsh sounds. *Moody - minor key First, create a quick bass sound, which is basically a sine wave, but can be hand drawn for a little more variance. It could also work for the melody part, too. This is usually a bass guitar or some kind of synthesizer bass. The bass line is often forgotten by inexperienced composers, but it plays an important role in a musical piece. Together with the rhythm section the bass line forms the groove of a song. It's the glue between the rhythm section and the melodic layer of a song. The drums are just pink noise samples, played at different frequencies to get a slightly different sound for the kick, snare, and hihats. Instruments that fall into the rhythm category are bass drums, snares, hi-hats, toms, cymbals, congas, tambourines, shakers, etc. Any percussive instrument can be used to form part of the rhythm section. The lead is the instrument that plays the main melody, on top of the chords. There are many instruments that can play a lead section, like a guitar, a piano, a saxophone or a flute. The list is almost endless. There is a lot of overlap with instruments that play chords. Often in one piece an instrument serves both roles. The lead melody is often played at a higher pitch than the chords. Listened back to what was produced so far, and a counter-melody can be imagined, which can be added with a triangle wave. To give the ends of phrases some life, you can add a solo part with a crunchy synth. By hitting random notes in the key of G, then edited a few of them. For the climax of the song, filled out the texture with a gentle high-pitch pad… …and a grungy bass synth. The arrow at A points at the pattern order list. As you see, the patterns don't have to be in numerical order. This song starts with pattern "00", then pattern "02", then "03", then "01", etcetera. Patterns may be repeated throughout a song. The B arrow points at the song title. Below it are the global BPM and speed parameters. These determine the tempo of the song, unless the tempo is altered through effect commands during the song. The C arrow points at the list of instruments. An instrument may consist of multiple samples. Which sample will be played depends on the note. This can be set in the Instrument Editing screen. Most instruments will consist of just one sample, though. The sample list for the selected instrument can be found under arrow D. Here's a part of the main editing screen. This is where you put in actual notes. Up to 32 channels can be used, meaning 32 sounds can play simultaneously. The first six channels of pattern "03" at order "02" are shown here. The arrow at A points at the row number. The B arrow points at the note to play, in this case a C4. The column pointed at by the C arrow tells us which instrument is associated with that note, in this case instrument #1 "Kick". The column at D is used (mainly) for volume commands. In this case it is left empty which means the instrument should play at its default volume. You can see the volume column being used in channel #6. The E column tells us which effect to use and any parameters for that effect. In this case it holds the "F" effect, which is a tempo command. The "04" means it should play at tempo 4 (a smaller number means faster). Base pattern When I create a new track I start with what I call the base pattern. It is worthwhile to spend some time polishing it as a lot of the ideas in the base pattern will be copied and used in other patterns. At least, that's how I work. Every musician will have his own way of working. In "Wild Bunnies" the base pattern is pattern "03" at order "02". In the section about selecting samples I talked about the four different categories of instruments: drums, bass, chords and leads. That's also how I usually go about making the base pattern. I start by making a drum pattern, then add a bass line, place some chords and top it off with a lead. This forms the base pattern from which the rest of the song will grow. Drums Here's a screenshot of the first four rows of the base pattern. I usually reserve the first four channels or so for the drum instruments. Right away there are a couple of tricks shown here. In the first channel the kick, or bass drum, plays some notes. Note the alternating F04 and F02 commands. The "F" command alters the tempo of the song and by quickly alternating the tempo; the song will get some kind of "swing" feel. In the second channel the closed hi-hat plays a fairly simple pattern. Further down in the channel, not shown here, some open hi-hat notes are added for a bit of variation. In the third and fourth channel the snare sample plays. The "8" command is for panning. One note is panned hard to the left and the other hard to the right. One sample is played a semitone lower than the other. This results in a cool flanging effect. It makes the snare stand out a little more in the mix. Bass line There are two different instruments used for the bass line. Instrument #6 is a pretty standard synthesized bass sound. Instrument #A sounds a bit like a slap bass when used with a quick fade out. By using two different instruments the bass line sounds a bit more ”human”. The volume command is used to cut off the notes. However, it is never set to zero. Setting the volume to a very small value will result in a reverb-like effect. This makes the song sound more "live". The bass line hints at the chords that will be played and the key the song will be in. In this case the key of the song is D-major, a positive and happy key. Chords The D major chords that are being played here are chords stabs; short sounds with a quick decay (fade out). Two different instruments (#8 and #9) are used to form the chords. These instruments are quite similar, but have a slightly different sound, panning and volume decay. Again, the reason for this is to make the sound more human. The volume command is used on some chords to simulate a delay, to achieve more of a live feel. The chords are placed off-beat making for a funky rhythm. Lead Finally the lead melody is added. The other instruments are invaluable in holding the track together, but the lead melody is usually what catches people's attention. A lot of notes and commands are used here, but it looks more complex than it is. A stepwise ascending melody plays in channel 13. Channel 14 and 15 copy this melody, but play it a few rows later at a lower volume. This creates an echo effect. A bit of panning is used on the notes to create some stereo depth. Like with the bass line, instead of cutting off notes the volume is set to low values for a reverb effect. The "461" effect adds a little vibrato to the note, which sounds nice on sustained notes. Those paying close attention may notice the instrument used here for the lead melody is the same as the one used for the bass line (#6 "Square"), except played two or three octaves higher. This instrument is a looped square wave sample. Each type of wave has its own quirks, but the square wave (shown below) is a really versatile wave form. Song structure Good, catchy songs are often carefully structured into sections, some of which are repeated throughout the song with small variations. A typical pop-song structure is: Intro - Verse - Chorus - Verse - Chorus - Bridge - Chorus. Other single sectional song structures are <pre> Strophic or AAA Song Form - oldest story telling with refrain (often title of the song) repeated in every verse section melody AABA Song Form - early popular, jazz and gospel fading during the 1960s AB or Verse/Chorus Song Form - songwriting format of choice for modern popular music since the 1960s Verse/Chorus/Bridge Song Form ABAB Song Form ABAC Song Form ABCD Song Form AAB 12-Bar Song Form - three four-bar lines or sub-sections 8-Bar Song Form 16-Bar Song Form Hybrid / Compound Song Forms </pre> The most common building blocks are: #INTRODUCTION(INTRO) #VERSE #REFRAIN #PRE-CHORUS / RISE / CLIMB #CHORUS #BRIDGE #MIDDLE EIGHT #SOLO / INSTRUMENTAL BREAK #COLLISION #CODA / OUTRO #AD LIB (OFTEN IN CODA / OUTRO) The chorus usually has more energy than the verse and often has a memorable melody line. As the chorus is repeated the most often during the song, it will be the part that people will remember. The bridge often marks a change of direction in the song. It is not uncommon to change keys in the bridge, or at least to use a different chord sequence. The bridge is used to build up tension towards the big finale, the last repetition of chorus. Playing RCTRL: Play song from row 0. LSHIFT + RCTRL: Play song from current row. RALT: Play pattern from row 0. LSHIFT + RALT: Play pattern from current row. Left mouse on '>': Play song from row 0. Right mouse on '>': Play song from current row. Left mouse on '|>': Play pattern from row 0. Right mouse on '|>': Play pattern from current row. Left mouse on 'Edit/Record': Edit mode on/off. Right mouse on 'Edit/Record': Record mode on/off. Editing LSHIFT + ESCAPE: Switch large patterns view on/off TAB: Go to next track LSHIFT + TAB: Go to prev. track LCTRL + TAB: Go to next note in track LCTRL + LSHIFT + TAB: Go to prev. note in track SPACE: Toggle Edit mode On & Off (Also stop if the song is being played) SHIFT SPACE: Toggle Record mode On & Off (Wait for a key note to be pressed or a midi in message to be received) DOWN ARROW: 1 Line down UP ARROW: 1 Line up LEFT ARROW: 1 Row left RIGHT ARROW: 1 Row right PREV. PAGE: 16 Arrows Up NEXT PAGE: 16 Arrows Down HOME / END: Top left / Bottom right of pattern LCTRL + HOME / END: First / last track F5, F6, F7, F8, F9: Jump to 0, 1/4, 2/4, 3/4, 4/4 lines of the patterns + - (Numeric keypad): Next / Previous pattern LCTRL + LEFT / RIGHT: Next / Previous pattern LCTRL + LALT + LEFT / RIGHT: Next / Previous position LALT + LEFT / RIGHT: Next / Previous instrument LSHIFT + M: Toggle mute state of the current channel LCTRL + LSHIFT + M: Solo the current track / Unmute all LSHIFT + F1 to F11: Select a tab/panel LCTRL + 1 to 4: Select a copy buffer Tracking 1st and 2nd keys rows: Upper octave row 3rd and 4th keys rows: Lower octave row RSHIFT: Insert a note off / and * (Numeric keypad) or F1 F2: -1 or +1 octave INSERT / BACKSPACE: Insert or Delete a line in current track or current selected block. LSHIFT + INSERT / BACKSPACE: Insert or Delete a line in current pattern DELETE (NOT BACKSPACE): Empty a column or a selected block. Blocks (Blocks can also be selected with the mouse by holding the right button and scrolling the pattern with the mouse wheel). LCTRL + A: Select entire current track LCTRL + LSHIFT + A: Select entire current pattern LALT + A: Select entire column note in a track LALT + LSHIFT + A: Select all notes of a track LCTRL + X: Cut the selected block and copy it into the block-buffer LCTRL + C: Copy the selected block into the block-buffer LCTRL + V: Paste the data from the block buffer into the pattern LCTRL + I: Interpolate selected data from the first to the last row of a selection LSHIFT + ARROWS PREV. PAGE NEXT PAGE: Select a block LCTRL + R: Randomize the select columns of a selection, works similar to CTRL + I (interpolating them) LCTRL + U: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 seminote higher LCTRL + D: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 seminote lower LCTRL + LSHIFT + U: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 seminote higher (only for the current instrument) LCTRL + LSHIFT + D: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 seminote lower (only for the current instrument) LCTRL + H: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 octave higher LCTRL + L: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 octave lower LCTRL + LSHIFT + H: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 octave higher (only for the current instrument) LCTRL + LSHIFT + L: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 octave lower (only for the current instrument) LCTRL + W: Save the current selection into a file Misc LALT + ENTER: Switch between full screen / windowed mode LALT + F4: Exit program (Windows only) LCTRL + S: Save current module LSHIFT + S: Switch top right panel to synths list LSHIFT + I: Switch top right panel to instruments list <pre> C-x xh xx xx hhhh Volume B-x xh xx xx hhhh Jump to A#x xh xx xx hhhh hhhh Slide F-x xh xx xx hhhh Tempo D-x xh xx xx hhhh Pattern Break G#x xh xx xx hhhh </pre> h Hex 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F 10 11 12 13 d Dec 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 The Set Volume command: C. Input a note, then move the cursor to the effects command column and type a C. Play the pattern, and you shouldn't be able to hear the note you placed the C by. This is because the effect parameters are 00. Change the two zeros to a 40(Hex)/64(Dec), depending on what your tracker uses. Play back the pattern again, and the note should come in at full volume. The Position Jump command next. This is just a B followed by the position in the playing list that you want to jump to. One thing to remember is that the playing list always starts at 0, not 1. This command is usually in Hex. Onto the volume slide command: A. This is slightly more complex (much more if you're using a newer tracker, if you want to achieve the results here, then set slides to Amiga, not linear), due to the fact it depends on the secondary tempo. For now set a secondary tempo of 06 (you can play around later), load a long or looped sample and input a note or two. A few rows after a note type in the effect command A. For the parameters use 0F. Play back the pattern, and you should notice that when the effect kicks in, the sample drops to a very low volume very quickly. Change the effect parameters to F0, and use a low volume command on the note. Play back the pattern, and when the slide kicks in the volume of the note should increase very quickly. This because each part of the effect parameters for command A does a different thing. The first number slides the volume up, and the second slides it down. It's not recommended that you use both a volume up and volume down at the same time, due to the fact the tracker only looks for the first number that isn't set to 0. If you specify parameters of 8F, the tracker will see the 8, ignore the F, and slide the volume up. Using a slide up and down at same time just makes you look stupid. Don't do it... The Set Tempo command: F, is pretty easy to understand. You simply specify the BPM (in Hex) that you want to change to. One important thing to note is that values of lower than 20 (Hex) sets the secondary tempo rather than the primary. Another useful command is the Pattern Break: D. This will stop the playing of the current pattern and skip to the next one in the playing list. By using parameters of more than 00 you can also specify which line to begin playing from. Command 3 is Portamento to Note. This slides the currently playing note to another note, at a specified speed. The slide then stops when it reaches the desired note. <pre> C-2 1 000 - Starts the note playing --- 000 C-3 330 - Starts the slide to C-3 at a speed of 30. --- 300 - Continues the slide --- 300 - Continues the slide </pre> Once the parameters have been set, the command can be input again without any parameters, and it'll still perform the same function unless you change the parameters. This memory function allows certain commands to function correctly, such as command 5, which is the Portamento to Note and Volume Slide command. Once command 3 has been set up command 5 will simply take the parameters from that and perform a Portamento to Note. Any parameters set up for command 5 itself simply perform a Volume Slide identical to command A at the same time as the Portamento to Note. This memory function will only operate in the same channel where the original parameters were set up. There are various other commands which perform two functions at once. They will be described as we come across them. C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 02 C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 05 C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 08 C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 0A C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 0D C-3 04 .. .. 09 10 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 10 (You can also switch on the Slider Rec to On, and perform parameter-live-recording, such as cutoff transitions, resonance or panning tweaking, etc..) Note: this command only works for volume/panning and fx datas columns. The next command we'll look at is the Portamento up/down: 1 and 2. Command 1 slides the pitch up at a specified speed, and 2 slides it down. This command works in a similar way to the volume slide, in that it is dependent on the secondary tempo. Both these commands have a memory dependent on each other, if you set the slide to a speed of 3 with the 1 command, a 2 command with no parameters will use the speed of 3 from the 1 command, and vice versa. Command 4 is Vibrato. Vibrato is basically rapid changes in pitch, just try it, and you'll see what I mean. Parameters are in the format of xy, where x is the speed of the slide, and y is the depth of the slide. One important point to remember is to keep your vibratos subtle and natural so a depth of 3 or less and a reasonably fast speed, around 8, is usually used. Setting the depth too high can make the part sound out of tune from the rest. Following on from command 4 is command 6. This is the Vibrato and Volume Slide command, and it has a memory like command 5, which you already know how to use. Command 7 is Tremolo. This is similar to vibrato. Rather than changing the pitch it slides the volume. The effect parameters are in exactly the same format. vibrato effect (0x1dxy) x = speed y = depth (can't be used if arpeggio (0x1b) is turned on) <pre> C-7 00 .. .. 1B37 <- Turn Arpeggio effect on --- .. .. .. 0000 --- .. .. .. 0000 --- .. .. .. 0000 --- .. .. .. 1B38 <- Change datas --- .. .. .. 0000 --- .. .. .. 0000 --- .. .. .. 0000 --- .. .. .. 1B00 <- Turn it off </pre> Command 9 is Sample Offset. This starts the playback of the sample from a different place than the start. The effect parameters specify the sample offset, but only very roughly. Say you have a sample which is 8765(Hex) bytes long, and you wanted it to play from position 4321(Hex). The effect parameter could only be as accurate as the 43 part, and it would ignore the 21. Command B is the Playing List/Order Jump command. The parameters specify the position in the Playing List/Order to jump to. When used in conjunction with command D you can specify the position and the line to play from. Command E is pretty complex, as it is used for a lot of different things, depending on what the first parameter is. Let's take a trip through each effect in order. Command E0 controls the hardware filter on an Amiga, which, as a low pass filter, cuts off the highest frequencies being played back. There are very few players and trackers on other system that simulate this function, not that you should need to use it. The second parameter, if set to 1, turns on the filter. If set to 0, the filter gets turned off. Commands E1/E2 are Fine Portamento Up/Down. Exactly the same functions as commands 1/2, except that they only slide the pitch by a very small amount. These commands have a memory the same as 1/2 as well. Command E3 sets the Glissando control. If parameters are set to 1 then when using command 3, any sliding will only use the notes in between the original note and the note being slid to. This produces a somewhat jumpier slide than usual. The best way to understand is to try it out for yourself. Produce a slow slide with command 3, listen to it, and then try using E31. Command E4 is the Set Vibrato Waveform control. This command controls how the vibrato command slides the pitch. Parameters are 0 - Sine, 1 - Ramp Down (Saw), 2 - Square. By adding 4 to the parameters, the waveform will not be restarted when a new note is played e.g. 5 - Sine without restart. Command E5 sets the Fine Tune of the instrument being played, but only for the particular note being played. It will override the default Fine Tune for the instrument. The parameters range from 0 to F, with 0 being -8 and F being +8 Fine Tune. A parameter of 8 gives no Fine Tune. If you're using a newer tracker that supports more than -8 to +8 e.g. -128 to +128, these parameters will give a rough Fine Tune, accurate to the nearest 16. Command E6 is the Jump Loop command. You mark the beginning of the part of a pattern that you want to loop with E60, and then specify with E6x the end of the loop, where x is the number of times you want it to loop. Command E7 is the Set Tremolo Waveform control. This has exactly the same parameters as command E4, except that it works for Tremolo rather than Vibrato. Command E9 is for Retriggering the note quickly. The parameter specifies the interval between the retrigs. Use a value of less than the current secondary tempo, or else the note will not get retrigged. Command EA/B are for Fine Volume Slide Up/Down. Much the same as the normal Volume Slides, except that these are easier to control since they don't depend on the secondary tempo. The parameters specify the amount to slide by e.g. if you have a sample playing at a volume of 08 (Hex) then the effect EA1 will slide this volume to 09 (Hex). A subsequent effect of EB4 would slide this volume down to 05 (Hex). Command EC is the Note Cut. This sets the volume of the currently playing note to 0 at a specified tick. The parameters should be lower than the secondary tempo or else the effect won't work. Command ED is the Note Delay. This should be used at the same time as a note is to be played, and the parameters will specify the number of ticks to delay playing the note. Again, keep the parameters lower than the secondary tempo, or the note won't get played! Command EE is the Pattern Delay. This delays the pattern for the amount of time it would take to play a certain number of rows. The parameters specify how many rows to delay for. Command EF is the Funk Repeat command. Set the sample loop to 0-1000. When EFx is used, the loop will be moved to 1000- 2000, then to 2000-3000 etc. After 9000-10000 the loop is set back to 0- 1000. The speed of the loop "movement" is defined by x. E is two times as slow as F, D is three times as slow as F etc. EF0 will turn the Funk Repeat off and reset the loop (to 0-1000). effects 0x41 and 0x42 to control the volumes of the 2 303 units There is a dedicated panel for synth parameter editing with coherent sections (osc, filter modulation, routing, so on) the interface is much nicer, much better to navigate with customizable colors, the reverb is now customizable (10 delay lines), It accepts newer types of Waves (higher bit rates, at least 24). Has a replay routine. It's pretty much your basic VA synth. The problem isn't with the sampler being to high it's the synth is tuned two octaves too low, but if you want your samples tuned down just set the base note down 2 octaves (in the instrument panel). so the synth is basically divided into 3 sections from left to right: oscillators/envelopes, then filter and LFO's, and in the right column you have mod routings and global settings. for the oscillator section you have two normal oscillators (sine, saw, square, noise), the second of which is tunable, the first one tunes with the key pressed. Attached to OSC 1 is a sub-oscillator, which is a sawtooth wave tuned one octave down. The phase modulation controls the point in the duty cycle at which the oscillator starts. The ADSR envelope sliders (grouped with oscs) are for modulation envelope 1 and 2 respectively. you can use the synth as a sampler by choosing the instrument at the top. In the filter column, the filter settings are: 1 = lowpass, 2 = highpass, 3 = off. cutoff and resonance. For the LFOs they are LFO 1 and LFO 2, the ADSR sliders in those are for the LFO itself. For the modulation routings you have ENV 1, LFO 1 for the first slider and ENV 2, LFO 2 for the second, you can cycle through the individual routings there, and you can route each modulation source to multiple destinations of course, which is another big plus for this synth. Finally the glide time is for portamento and master volume, well, the master volume... it can go quite loud. The sequencer is changed too, It's more like the one in AXS if you've used that, where you can mute tracks to re-use patterns with variation. <pre> Support for the following modules formats: 669 (Composer 669, Unis 669), AMF (DSMI Advanced Module Format), AMF (ASYLUM Music Format V1.0), APUN (APlayer), DSM (DSIK internal format), FAR (Farandole Composer), GDM (General DigiMusic), IT (Impulse Tracker), IMF (Imago Orpheus), MOD (15 and 31 instruments), MED (OctaMED), MTM (MultiTracker Module editor), OKT (Amiga Oktalyzer), S3M (Scream Tracker 3), STM (Scream Tracker), STX (Scream Tracker Music Interface Kit), ULT (UltraTracker), UNI (MikMod), XM (FastTracker 2), Mid (midi format via timidity) </pre> Possible plugin options include [http://lv2plug.in/ LV2], ====Midi - Musical Instrument Digital Interface==== A midi file typically contains music that plays on up to 16 channels (as per the midi standard), but many notes can simultaneously play on each channel (depending on the limit of the midi hardware playing it). '''Timidity''' Although usually already installed, you can uncompress the [http://www.libsdl.org/projects/SDL_mixer/ timidity.tar.gz (14MB)] into a suitable drawer like below's SYS:Extras/Audio/ assign timidity: SYS:Extras/Audio/timidity added to SYSːs/User-Startup '''WildMidi playback''' '''Audio Evolution 4 (2003) 4.0.23 (from 2012)''' *Sync Menu - CAMD Receive, Send checked *Options Menu - MIDI Machine Control - Midi Bar Display - Select CAMD MIDI in / out - Midi Remote Setup MCB Master Control Bus *Sending a MIDI start-command and a Song Position Pointer, you can synchronize audio with an external MIDI sequencer (like B&P). *B&P Receive, start AE, add AudioEvolution.ptool in Bars&Pipes track, press play / record in AE then press play in Pipes *CAMD Receive, receive MIDI start or continue commands via camd.library sync to AE *MIDI Machine Control *Midi Bar Display *Select CAMD MIDI in / out *Midi Remote Setup - open requester for external MIDI controllers to control app mixer and transport controls cc remotely Channel - mixer(vol, pan, mute, solo), eq, aux, fx, Subgroup - Volume, Mute, Solo Transport - Start, End, Play, Stop, Record, Rewind, Forward Misc - Master vol., Bank Down, Bank up <pre> q - quit First 3 already opened when AE started F1 - timeline window F2 - mixer F3 - control F4 - subgroups F5 - aux returns F6 - sample list i - Load sample to use space - start/stop play b - reset time 0:00 s - split mode r - open recording window a - automation edit mode with p panning, m mute and v volume [ / ] - zoom in / out : - previous track * - next track x c v f - cut copy paste cross-fade g - snap grid </pre> '''[http://bnp.hansfaust.de/ Bars n Pipes sequencer]''' BarsnPipes debug ... in shell Menu (right mouse) *Song - Songs load and save in .song format but option here to load/save Midi_Files .mid in FORMAT0 or FORMAT1 *Track - *Edit - *Tool - *Timing - SMTPE Synchronizing *Windows - *Preferences - Multiple MIDI-in option Windows (some of these are usually already opened when Bars n Pipes starts up for the first time) *Workflow -> Tracks, .... Song Construction, Time-line Scoring, Media Madness, Mix Maestro, *Control -> Transport (or mini one), Windows (which collects all the Windows icons together-shortcut), .... Toolbox, Accessories, Metronome, Once you have your windows placed on the screen that suits your workflow, Song -> Save as Default will save the positions, colors, icons, etc as you'd like them If you need a particular setup of Tracks, Tools, Tempos etc, you save them all as a new song you can load each time Right mouse menu -> Preferences -> Environment... -> ScreenMode - Linkages for Synch (to Slave) usbmidi.out.0 and Send (Master) usbmidi.in.0 - Clock MTC '''Tracks''' #Double-click on B&P's icon. B&P will then open with an empty Song. You can also double-click on a song icon to open a song in B&P. #Choose a track. The B&P screen will contain a Tracks Window with a number of tracks shown as pipelines (Track 1, Track 2, etc...). To choose a track, simply click on the gray box to show an arrow-icon to highlight it. This icon show whether a track is chosen or not. To the right of the arrow-icon, you can see the icon for the midi-input. If you double-click on this icon you can change the MIDI-in setup. #Choose Record for the track. To the right of the MIDI-input channel icon you can see a pipe. This leads to another clickable icon with that shows either P, R or M. This stands for Play, Record or Merge. To change the icon, simply click on it. If you choose P, this track can only play the track (you can't record anything). If you choose R, you can record what you play and it overwrites old stuff in the track. If you choose M, you merge new records with old stuff in the track. Choose R now to be able to make a record. #Chose MIDI-channel. On the most right part of the track you can see an icon with a number in it. This is the MIDI-channel selector. Here you must choose a MIDI-channel that is available on your synthesizer/keyboard. If you choose General MIDI channel 10, most synthesizer will play drum sounds. To the left of this icon is the MIDI-output icon. Double-click on this icon to change the MIDI-output configuration. #Start recording. The next step is to start recording. You must then find the control buttons (they look like buttons on a CD-player). To be able to make a record. you must click on the R icon. You can simply now press the play button (after you have pressed the R button) and play something on you keyboard. To playback your composition, press the Play button on the control panel. #Edit track. To edit a track, you simply double click in the middle part of a track. You will then get a new window containing the track, where you can change what you have recorded using tools provided. Take also a look in the drop-down menus for more features. Videos to help understand [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6gVTX-9900 small intro], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abq_rUTiSA4&t=3s Overview], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixOVutKsYQo Workplace Setup CC PC Sysex], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDnJLYPaZTs Import Song], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC3kkzPLkv4 Tempo Mapping], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd23kqMYPDs ptool Arpeggi-8], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDJq-YxgwQg PlayMidi Song], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY9Pu5P9TaU Amiga Midi], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abq_rUTiSA4 Learning Amiga bars and Pipes], Groups like [https://groups.io/g/barsnpipes/topics this] could help '''Tracks window''' * blue "1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Group" and transport tape deck VCR-type controls * Flags * [http://theproblem.alco-rhythm.com/org/bp.html Track 1, Track2, to Track 16, on each Track there are many options that can be activated] Each Track has a *Left LHS - Click in grey box to select what Track to work on, Midi-In ptool icon should be here (5pin plug icon), and many more from the Toolbox on the Input Pipeline *Middle - (P, R, M) Play, Record, Merge/Multi before the sequencer line and a blue/red/yellow (Thru Mute Play) Tap *Right RHS - Output pipeline, can have icons placed uopn it with the final ptool icon(s) being the 5pin icon symbol for Midi-OUT Clogged pipelines may need Esc pressed several times '''Toolbox (tools affect the chosen pipeline)''' After opening the Toolbox window you can add extra Tools (.ptool) for the pipelines like keyboard(virtual), midimonitor, quick patch, transpose, triad, (un)quantize, feedback in/out, velocity etc right mouse -> Toolbox menu option -> Install Tool... and navigate to Tool drawer (folder) and select requried .ptool Accompany B tool to get some sort of rythmic accompaniment, Rythm Section and Groove Quantize are examples of other tools that make use of rythms [https://aminet.net/search?query=bars Bars & Pipes pattern format .ptrn] for drawer (folder). Load from the Menu as Track or Group '''Accessories (affect the whole app)''' Accessories -> Install... and goto the Accessories drawer for .paccess like adding ARexx scripting support '''Song Construction''' <pre> F1 Pencil F2 Magic Wand F3 Hand F4 Duplicator F5 Eraser F6 Toolpad F7 Bounding box F8 Lock to A-B-A A-B-A strip, section, edit flags, white boxes, </pre> Bars&Pipes Professional offers three track formats; basic song tracks, linear tracks — which don't loop — and finally real‑time tracks. The difference between them is that both song and linear tracks respond to tempo changes, while real‑time tracks use absolute timing, always trigger at the same instant regardless of tempo alterations '''Tempo Map''' F1 Pencil F2 Magic Wand F3 Hand F4 Eraser F5 Curve F6 Toolpad Compositions Lyrics, Key, Rhythm, Time Signature '''Master Parameters''' Key, Scale/Mode '''Track Parameters''' Dynamics '''Time-line Scoring''' '''Media Madness''' '''Mix Maestro''' *ACCESSORIES Allows the importation of other packages and additional modules *CLIPBOARD Full cut, copy and paste operations, enabling user‑definable clips to be shared between tracks. *INFORMATION A complete rundown on the state of the current production and your machine. *MASTER PARAMETERS Enables global definition of time signatures, lyrics, scales, chords, dynamics and rhythm changes. *MEDIA MADNESS A complete multimedia sequencer which allows samples, stills, animation, etc *METRONOME Tempo feedback via MIDI, internal Amiga audio and colour cycling — all three can be mixed and matched as required. *MIX MAESTRO Completely automated mixdown with control for both volume and pan. All fader alterations are memorised by the software *RECORD ACTIVATION Complete specification of the data to be recorded/merged. Allows overdubbing of pitch‑bend, program changes, modulation etc *SET FLAGS Numeric positioning of location and edit flags in either SMPTE or musical time *SONG CONSTRUCTION Large‑scale cut and paste of individual measures, verses or chorus, by means of bounding box and drag‑n‑drop mouse selections *TEMPO MAP Tempo change using a variety of linear and non‑linear transition curves *TEMPO PALETTE Instant tempo changes courtesy of four user‑definable settings. *TIMELINE SCORING Sequencing of a selection of songs over a defined period — ideal for planning an entire set for a live performance. *TOOLBOX Selection screen for the hundreds of signal‑processing tools available *TRACKS Opens the main track window to enable recording, editing and the use of tools. *TRANSPORT Main playback control window, which also provides access to user‑ defined flags, loop and punch‑in record modes. Bars and Pipes Pro 2.5 is using internal 4-Byte IDs, to check which kind of data are currently processed. Especially in all its files the IDs play an important role. The IDs are stored into the file in the same order they are laid out in the memory. In a Bars 'N' Pipes file (no matter which kind) the ID "NAME" (saved as its ANSI-values) is stored on a big endian system (68k-computer) as "NAME". On a little endian system (x86 PC computer) as "EMAN". The target is to make the AROS-BnP compatible to songs, which were stored on a 68k computer (AMIGA). If possible, setting MIDI channels for Local Control for your keyboard http://www.fromwithin.com/liquidmidi/archive.shtml MIDI files are essentially a stream of event data. An event can be many things, but typically "note on", "note off", "program change", "controller change", or messages that instruct a MIDI compatible synth how to play a given bit of music. * Channel - 1 to 16 - * Messages - PC presets, CC effects like delays, reverbs, etc * Sequencing - MIDI instruments, Drums, Sound design, * Recording - * GUI - Piano roll or Tracker, Staves and Notes MIDI events/messages like step entry e.g. Note On, Note Off MIDI events/messages like PB, PC, CC, Mono and Poly After-Touch, Sysex, etc MIDI sync - Midi Clocks (SPS Measures), Midi Time Code (h, m, s and frames) SMPTE Individual track editing with audition edits so easier to test any changes. Possible to stop track playback, mix clips from the right edit flag and scroll the display using arrow keys. Step entry, to extend a selected note hit the space bar and the note grows accordingly. Ability to cancel mouse‑driven edits by simply clicking the right mouse button — at which point everything snaps back into its original form. Lyrics can now be put in with syllable dividers, even across an entire measure or section. Autoranging when you open a edit window, the notes are automatically displayed — working from the lowest upwards. Flag editing, shift‑click on a flag immediately open the bounds window, ready for numeric input. Ability to cancel edits using the right‑hand mouse button, plus much improved Bounding Box operations. Icons other than the BarsnPipes icon -> PUBSCREEN=BarsnPipes (cannot choose modes higher than 8bit 256 colors) Preferences -> Menu in Tracks window - Send MIDI defaults OFF Prefs -> Environment -> screenmode (saved to BarsnPipes.prefs binary file) Customization -> pics in gui drawer (folder) - Can save as .song files and .mid General Midi SMF is a “Standard Midi File” ([http://www.music.mcgill.ca/~ich/classes/mumt306/StandardMIDIfileformat.html SMF0, SMF1 and SMF2]), [https://github.com/stump/libsmf libsmf], [https://github.com/markc/midicomp MIDIcomp], [https://github.com/MajicDesigns/MD_MIDIFile C++ src], [], [https://github.com/newdigate/midi-smf-reader Midi player], * SMF0 All MIDI data is stored in one track only, separated exclusively by the MIDI channel. * SMF1 The MIDI data is stored in separate tracks/channels. * SMF2 (rarely used) The MIDI data is stored in separate tracks, which are additionally wrapped in containers, so it's possible to have e.g. several tracks using the same MIDI channels. Would it be possible to enrich Bars N’Pipes with software synth and sample support along with audio recording and mastering tools like in the named MAC or PC music sequencers? On the classic AMIGA-OS this is not possible because of missing CPU-power. The hardware of the classic AMIGA is not further developed. So we must say (unfortunately) that those dreams can’t become reality BarsnPipes is best used with external MIDI-equipment. This can be a keyboard or synthesizer with MIDI-connectors. <pre> MIDI can control 16 channels There are USB-MIDI-Interfaces on the market with 16 independent MIDI-lines (multi-port), which can handle 16 MIDI devices independently – 16×16 = 256 independent MIDI-channels or instruments handle up to 16 different USB-MIDI-Interfaces (multi-device). That is: 16X16X16 = 4096 independent MIDI-channels – theoretically </pre> <pre> Librarian MIDI SYStem EXplorer (sysex) - PatchEditor and used to be supplied as a separate program like PatchMeister but currently not at present It should support MIDI.library (PD), BlueRibbon.library (B&P), TriplePlayPlus, and CAMD.library (DeluxeMusic) and MIDI information from a device's user manual and configure a custom interface to access parameters for all MIDI products connected to the system Supports ALL MIDI events and the Patch/Librarian data is stored in MIDI standard format Annette M.Crowling, Missing Link Software, Inc. </pre> Composers <pre> [https://x.com/hirasawa/status/1403686519899054086 Susumu Hirasawa] </pre> <pre> 1988 Todor Fay and his wife Melissa Jordan Gray, who founded the Blue Ribbon Inc 1992 Bars&Pipes Pro published November 2000, Todor Fay announcement to release the sourcecode of Bars&Pipes Pro 2.5c beta end of May 2001, the source of the main program and the sources of some tools and accessories were in a complete and compileable state end of October 2009 stop further development of BarsnPipes New for now on all supported systems and made freeware 2013 Alfred Faust diagnosed with incureable illness, called „Myastenia gravis“ (weak muscles) </pre> Protrekkr How to use Midi In/Out in Protrekkr ? First of all, midi in & out capabilities of this program are rather limited. # Go to Misc. Setup section and select a midi in or out device to use (ptk only supports one device at a time). # Go to instrument section, and select a MIDI PRG (the default is N/A, which means no midi program selected). # Go to track section and here you can assign a midi channel to each track of ptk. # Play notes :]. Note off works. F'x' note cut command also works too, and note-volume command (speed) is supported. Also, you can change midicontrollers in the tracker, using '90' in the panning row: <pre> C-3 02 .. .. 0000.... --- .. .. 90 xxyy.... << This will set the value --- .. .. .. 0000.... of the controller n.'xx' to 'yy' (both in hex) --- .. .. .. 0000.... </pre> So "--- .. .. 90 2040...." will set the controller number $20(32) to $40(64). You will need the midi implementation table of your gear to know what you can change with midi controller messages. N.B. Not all MIDI devices are created equal! Although the MIDI specification defines a large range of MIDI messages of various kinds, not every MIDI device is required to work in exactly the same way and respond to all the available messages and ways of working. For example, we don't expect a wind synthesiser to work in the same way as a home keyboard. Some devices, the older ones perhaps, are only able to respond to a single channel. With some of those devices that channel can be altered from the default of 1 (probably) to another channel of the 16 possible. Other devices, for instance monophonic synthesisers, are capable of producing just one note at a time, on one MIDI channel. Others can produce many notes spread across many channels. Further devices can respond to, and transmit, "breath controller" data (MIDI controller number 2 (CC#2)) others may respond to the reception of CC#2 but not be able to create and to send it. A controller keyboard may be capable of sending "expression pedal" data, but another device may not be capable of responding to that message. Some devices just have the basic GM sound set. The "voice" or "instrument" is selected using a "Program Change" message on its own. Other devices have a greater selection of voices, usually arranged in "banks", and the choice of instrument is made by responding to "Bank Select MSB" (MIDI controller 0 (CC#0)), others use "Bank Select LSB" (MIDI controller number 32 (CC#32)), yet others use both MSB and LSB sent one after the other, all followed by the Program Change message. The detailed information about all the different voices will usually be available in a published MIDI Data List. MIDI Implementation Chart But in the User Manual there is sometimes a summary of how the device works, in terms of MIDI, in the chart at the back of the manual, the MIDI Implementation Chart. If you require two devices to work together you can compare the two implementation charts to see if they are "compatible". In order to do this we will need to interpret that chart. The chart is divided into four columns headed "Function", "Transmitted" (or "Tx"), "Received" (or "Rx"), or more correctly "Recognised", and finally, "Remarks". <pre> The left hand column defines which MIDI functions are being described. The 2nd column defines what the device in question is capable of transmitting to another device. The 3rd column defines what the device is capable of responding to. The 4th column is for explanations of the values contained within these previous two columns. </pre> There should then be twelve sections, with possibly a thirteenth containing extra "Notes". Finally there should be an explanation of the four MIDI "modes" and what the "X" and the "O" mean. <pre> Mode 1: Omni On, Poly; Mode 2: Omni On, Mono; Mode 3: Omni Off, Poly; Mode 4: Omni Off, Mono. </pre> O means "yes" (implemented), X means "no" (not implemented). Sometimes you will find a row of asterisks "**************", these seem to indicate that the data is not applicable in this case. Seen in the transmitted field only (unless you've seen otherwise). Lastly you may find against some entries an asterisk followed by a number e.g. *1, these will refer you to further information, often on a following page, giving more detail. Basic Channel But the very first set of boxes will tell us the "Basic Channel(s)" that the device sends or receives on. "Default" is what happens when the device is first turned on, "changed" is what a switch of some kind may allow the device to be set to. For many devices e.g. a GM sound module or a home keyboard, this would be 1-16 for both. That is it can handle sending and receiving on all MIDI channels. On other devices, for example a synthesiser, it may by default only work on channel 1. But the keyboard could be "split" with the lower notes e.g. on channel 2. If the synth has an arppegiator, this may be able to be set to transmit and or receive on yet another channel. So we might see the default as "1" but the changed as "1-16". Modes. We need to understand Omni On and Off, and Mono and Poly, then we can decipher the four modes. But first we need to understand that any of these four Mode messages can be sent to any MIDI channel. They don't necessarily apply to the whole device. If we send an "Omni On" message (CC#125) to a MIDI channel of a device, we are, in effect, asking it to respond to e.g. a Note On / Off message pair, received on any of the sixteen channels. Sound strange? Read it again. Still strange? It certainly is. We normally want a MIDI channel to respond only to Note On / Off messages sent on that channel, not any other. In other words, "Omni Off". So "Omni Off" (CC#124) tells a channel of our MIDI device to respond only to messages sent on that MIDI channel. "Poly" (CC#127) is for e.g. a channel of a polyphonic sound module, or a home keyboard, to be able to respond to many simultaneous Note On / Off message pairs at once and produce musical chords. "Mono" (CC#126) allows us to set a channel to respond as if it were e.g. a flute or a trumpet, playing just one note at a time. If the device is capable of it, then the overlapping of notes will produce legato playing, that is the attack portion of the second note of two overlapping notes will be removed resulting in a "smoother" transition. So a channel with a piano voice assigned to it will have Omni Off, Poly On (Mode 3), a channel with a saxophone voice assigned could be Omni Off, Mono On (Mode 4). We call these combinations the four modes, 1 to 4, as defined above. Most modern devices will have their channels set to Mode 3 (Omni Off, Poly) but be switchable, on a per channel basis, to Mode 4 (Omni Off, Mono). This second section of data will include first its default value i.e. upon device switch on. Then what Mode messages are acceptable, or X if none. Finally, in the "Altered" field, how a Mode message that can't be implemented will be interpreted. Usually there will just be a row of asterisks effectively meaning nothing will be done if you try to switch to an unimplemented mode. Note Number <pre> The next row will tell us which MIDI notes the device can send or receive, normally 0-127. The second line, "True Voice" has the following in the MIDI specification: "Range of received note numbers falling within the range of true notes produced by the instrument." My interpretation is that, for instance, a MIDI piano may be capable of sending all MIDI notes (0 to 127) by transposition, but only responding to the 88 notes (21 to 108) of a real piano. </pre> Velocity This will tell us whether the device we're looking at will handle note velocity, and what range from 1-127, or maybe just 64, it transmits or will recognise. So usually "O" plus a range or "X" for not implemented. After touch This may have one or two lines two it. If a one liner the either "O" or "X", yes or no. If a two liner then it may include "Keys" or "Poly" and "Channel". This will show whether the device will respond to Polyphonic after touch or channel after touch or neither. Pitch Bend Again "O" for implemented, "X" for not implemented. (Many stage pianos will have no pitch bend capability.) It may also, in the notes section, state whether it will respond to the full 14 bits, or not, as usually encoded by the pitch bend wheel. Control Change This is likely to be the largest section of the chart. It will list all those controllers, starting from CC#0, Bank Select MSB, which the device is capable of sending, and those that it will respond to using "O" or "X" respectively. You will, almost certainly, get some further explanation of functionality in the remarks column, or in more detail elsewhere in the documentation. Of course you will need to know what all the various controller numbers do. Lots of the official technical specifications can be found at the [www.midi.org/techspecs/ MMA], with the table of messages and control change [www.midi.org/techspecs/midimessages.php message numbers] Program Change Again "O" or "X" in the Transmitted or Recognised column to indicate whether or not the feature is implemented. In addition a range of numbers is shown, typically 0-127, to show what is available. True # (number): "The range of the program change numbers which correspond to the actual number of patches selected." System Exclusive Used to indicate whether or not the device can send or recognise System Exclusive messages. A short description is often given in the Remarks field followed by a detailed explanation elsewhere in the documentation. System Common - These include the following: <pre> MIDI Time Code Quarter Frame messages (device synchronisation). Song Position Pointer Song Select Tune Request </pre> The section will indicate whether or not the device can send or respond to any of these messages. System Real Time These include the following: <pre> Timing Clock - often just written as "Clock" Start Stop Continue </pre> These three are usually just referred to as "Commands" and listed. Again the section will indicate which, if any, of these messages the device can send or respond to. <pre> Aux. Messages Again "O" or "X" for implemented or not. Aux. = Auxiliary. Active Sense = Active Sensing. </pre> Often with an explanation of the action of the device. Notes The "Notes" section can contain any additional comments to clarify the particular implementation. Some of the explanations have been drawn directly from the MMA MIDI 1.0 Detailed Specification. And the detailed explanation of some of the functions will be found there, or in the General MIDI System Level 1 or General MIDI System Level 2 documents also published by the MMA. OFFICIAL MIDI SPECIFICATIONS SUMMARY OF MIDI MESSAGES Table 1 - Summary of MIDI Messages The following table lists the major MIDI messages in numerical (binary) order (adapted from "MIDI by the Numbers" by D. Valenti, Electronic Musician 2/88, and updated by the MIDI Manufacturers Association.). This table is intended as an overview of MIDI, and is by no means complete. WARNING! Details about implementing these messages can dramatically impact compatibility with other products. We strongly recommend consulting the official MIDI Specifications for additional information. MIDI 1.0 Specification Message Summary Channel Voice Messages [nnnn = 0-15 (MIDI Channel Number 1-16)] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Status D7----D0 ! width="10%" |Data Byte(s) D7----D0 ! width="20%" |Description |- |<!--Status-->1000nnnn || <!--Data-->0kkkkkkk 0vvvvvvv || <!--Description-->Note Off event. This message is sent when a note is released (ended). (kkkkkkk) is the key (note) number. (vvvvvvv) is the velocity. |- |<!--Status-->1001nnnn || <!--Data-->0kkkkkkk 0vvvvvvv || <!--Description-->Note On event. This message is sent when a note is depressed (start). (kkkkkkk) is the key (note) number. (vvvvvvv) is the velocity. |- |<!--Status-->1010nnnn || <!--Data-->0kkkkkkk 0vvvvvvv || <!--Description-->Polyphonic Key Pressure (Aftertouch). This message is most often sent by pressing down on the key after it "bottoms out". (kkkkkkk) is the key (note) number. (vvvvvvv) is the pressure value. |- |<!--Status-->1011nnnn || <!--Data-->0ccccccc 0vvvvvvv || <!--Description-->Control Change. This message is sent when a controller value changes. Controllers include devices such as pedals and levers. Controller numbers 120-127 are reserved as "Channel Mode Messages" (below). (ccccccc) is the controller number (0-119). (vvvvvvv) is the controller value (0-127). |- |<!--Status-->1100nnnn || <!--Data-->0ppppppp || <!--Description-->Program Change. This message sent when the patch number changes. (ppppppp) is the new program number. |- |<!--Status-->1101nnnn || <!--Data-->0vvvvvvv || <!--Description-->Channel Pressure (After-touch). This message is most often sent by pressing down on the key after it "bottoms out". This message is different from polyphonic after-touch. Use this message to send the single greatest pressure value (of all the current depressed keys). (vvvvvvv) is the pressure value. |- |<!--Status-->1110nnnn || <!--Data-->0lllllll 0mmmmmmm || <!--Description-->Pitch Bend Change. This message is sent to indicate a change in the pitch bender (wheel or lever, typically). The pitch bender is measured by a fourteen bit value. Center (no pitch change) is 2000H. Sensitivity is a function of the receiver, but may be set using RPN 0. (lllllll) are the least significant 7 bits. (mmmmmmm) are the most significant 7 bits. |} Channel Mode Messages (See also Control Change, above) {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Status D7----D0 ! width="10%" |Data Byte(s) D7----D0 ! width="20%" |Description |- |<!--Status-->1011nnnn || <!--Data-->0ccccccc 0vvvvvvv || <!--Description-->Channel Mode Messages. This the same code as the Control Change (above), but implements Mode control and special message by using reserved controller numbers 120-127. The commands are: *All Sound Off. When All Sound Off is received all oscillators will turn off, and their volume envelopes are set to zero as soon as possible c = 120, v = 0: All Sound Off *Reset All Controllers. When Reset All Controllers is received, all controller values are reset to their default values. (See specific Recommended Practices for defaults) c = 121, v = x: Value must only be zero unless otherwise allowed in a specific Recommended Practice. *Local Control. When Local Control is Off, all devices on a given channel will respond only to data received over MIDI. Played data, etc. will be ignored. Local Control On restores the functions of the normal controllers. c = 122, v = 0: Local Control Off c = 122, v = 127: Local Control On * All Notes Off. When an All Notes Off is received, all oscillators will turn off. c = 123, v = 0: All Notes Off (See text for description of actual mode commands.) c = 124, v = 0: Omni Mode Off c = 125, v = 0: Omni Mode On c = 126, v = M: Mono Mode On (Poly Off) where M is the number of channels (Omni Off) or 0 (Omni On) c = 127, v = 0: Poly Mode On (Mono Off) (Note: These four messages also cause All Notes Off) |} System Common Messages System Messages (0xF0) The final status nybble is a “catch all” for data that doesn’t fit the other statuses. They all use the most significant nybble (4bits) of 0xF, with the least significant nybble indicating the specific category. The messages are denoted when the MSB of the second nybble is 1. When that bit is a 0, the messages fall into two other subcategories. System Common If the MSB of the second second nybble (4 bits) is not set, this indicates a System Common message. Most of these are messages that include some additional data bytes. System Common Messages Type Status Byte Number of Data Bytes Usage <pre> Time Code Quarter Frame 0xF1 1 Indicates timing using absolute time code, primarily for synthronization with video playback systems. A single location requires eight messages to send the location in an encoded hours:minutes:seconds:frames format*. Song Position 0xF2 2 Instructs a sequencer to jump to a new position in the song. The data bytes form a 14-bit value that expresses the location as the number of sixteenth notes from the start of the song. Song Select 0xF3 1 Instructs a sequencer to select a new song. The data byte indicates the song. Undefined 0xF4 0 Undefined 0xF5 0 Tune Request 0xF6 0 Requests that the receiver retunes itself**. </pre> *MIDI Time Code (MTC) is significantly complex. Please see the MIDI Specification **While modern digital instruments are good at staying in tune, older analog synthesizers were prone to tuning drift. Some analog synthesizers had an automatic tuning operation that could be initiated with this command. System Exclusive If you’ve been keeping track, you’ll notice there are two status bytes not yet defined: 0xf0 and 0xf7. These are used by the System Exclusive message, often abbreviated at SysEx. SysEx provides a path to send arbitrary data over a MIDI connection. There is a group of predefined messages for complex data, like fine grained control of MIDI Time code machinery. SysEx is also used to send manufacturer defined data, such as patches, or even firmware updates. System Exclusive messages are longer than other MIDI messages, and can be any length. The messages are of the following format: 0xF0, 0xID, 0xdd, ...... 0xF7 The message is bookended with distinct bytes. It opens with the Start Of Exclusive (SOX) data byte, 0xF0. The next one to three bytes after the start are an identifier. Values from 0x01 to 0x7C are one-byte vendor IDs, assigned to manufacturers who were involved with MIDI at the beginning. If the ID is 0x00, it’s a three-byte vendor ID - the next two bytes of the message are the value. <pre> ID 0x7D is a placeholder for non-commercial entities. ID 0x7E indicates a predefined Non-realtime SysEx message. ID 0x7F indicates a predefined Realtime SysEx message. </pre> After the ID is the data payload, sent as a stream of bytes. The transfer concludes with the End of Exclusive (EOX) byte, 0xF7. The payload data must follow the guidelines for MIDI data bytes – the MSB must not be set, so only 7 bits per byte are actually usable. If the MSB is set, it falls into three possible scenarios. An End of Exclusive byte marks the ordinary termination of the SysEx transfer. System Real Time messages may occur within the transfer without interrupting it. The recipient should handle them independently of the SysEx transfer. Other status bytes implicitly terminate the SysEx transfer and signal the start of new messages. Some inexpensive USB-to-MIDI interfaces aren’t capable of handling messages longer than four bytes. {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Status D7----D0 ! width="10%" |Data Byte(s) D7----D0 ! width="20%" |Description |- |<!--Status-->11110000 || <!--Data-->0iiiiiii [0iiiiiii 0iiiiiii] 0ddddddd --- --- 0ddddddd 11110111 || <!--Description-->System Exclusive. This message type allows manufacturers to create their own messages (such as bulk dumps, patch parameters, and other non-spec data) and provides a mechanism for creating additional MIDI Specification messages. The Manufacturer's ID code (assigned by MMA or AMEI) is either 1 byte (0iiiiiii) or 3 bytes (0iiiiiii 0iiiiiii 0iiiiiii). Two of the 1 Byte IDs are reserved for extensions called Universal Exclusive Messages, which are not manufacturer-specific. If a device recognizes the ID code as its own (or as a supported Universal message) it will listen to the rest of the message (0ddddddd). Otherwise, the message will be ignored. (Note: Only Real-Time messages may be interleaved with a System Exclusive.) |- |<!--Status-->11110001 || <!--Data-->0nnndddd || <!--Description-->MIDI Time Code Quarter Frame. nnn = Message Type dddd = Values |- |<!--Status-->11110010 || <!--Data-->0lllllll 0mmmmmmm || <!--Description-->Song Position Pointer. This is an internal 14 bit register that holds the number of MIDI beats (1 beat= six MIDI clocks) since the start of the song. l is the LSB, m the MSB. |- |<!--Status-->11110011 || <!--Data-->0sssssss || <!--Description-->Song Select. The Song Select specifies which sequence or song is to be played. |- |<!--Status-->11110100 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Undefined. (Reserved) |- |<!--Status-->11110101 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Undefined. (Reserved) |- |<!--Status-->11110110 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Tune Request. Upon receiving a Tune Request, all analog synthesizers should tune their oscillators. |- |<!--Status-->11110111 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->End of Exclusive. Used to terminate a System Exclusive dump. |} System Real-Time Messages {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Status D7----D0 ! width="10%" |Data Byte(s) D7----D0 ! width="20%" |Description |- |<!--Status-->11111000 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Timing Clock. Sent 24 times per quarter note when synchronization is required. |- |<!--Status-->11111001 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Undefined. (Reserved) |- |<!--Status-->11111010 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Start. Start the current sequence playing. (This message will be followed with Timing Clocks). |- |<!--Status-->11111011 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Continue. Continue at the point the sequence was Stopped. |- |<!--Status-->11111100 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Stop. Stop the current sequence. |- |<!--Status-->11111101 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Undefined. (Reserved) |- |<!--Status-->11111110 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Active Sensing. This message is intended to be sent repeatedly to tell the receiver that a connection is alive. Use of this message is optional. When initially received, the receiver will expect to receive another Active Sensing message each 300ms (max), and if it does not then it will assume that the connection has been terminated. At termination, the receiver will turn off all voices and return to normal (non- active sensing) operation. |- |<!--Status-->11111111 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Reset. Reset all receivers in the system to power-up status. This should be used sparingly, preferably under manual control. In particular, it should not be sent on power-up. |} Advanced Messages Polyphonic Pressure (0xA0) and Channel Pressure (0xD0) Some MIDI controllers include a feature known as Aftertouch. While a key is being held down, the player can press harder on the key. The controller measures this, and converts it into MIDI messages. Aftertouch comes in two flavors, with two different status messages. The first flavor is polyphonic aftertouch, where every key on the controller is capable of sending its own independent pressure information. The messages are of the following format: <pre> 0xnc, 0xkk, 0xpp n is the status (0xA) c is the channel nybble kk is the key number (0 to 127) pp is the pressure value (0 to 127) </pre> Polyphonic aftertouch is an uncommon feature, usually found on premium quality instruments, because every key requires a separate pressure sensor, plus the circuitry to read them all. Much more commonly found is channel aftertouch. Instead of needing a discrete sensor per key, it uses a single, larger sensor to measure pressure on all of the keys as a group. The messages omit the key number, leaving a two-byte format <pre> 0xnc, 0xpp n is the status (0xD) c is the channel number pp is the pressure value (0 to 127) </pre> Pitch Bend (0xE0) Many keyboards have a wheel or lever towards the left of the keys for pitch bend control. This control is usually spring-loaded, so it snaps back to the center of its range when released. This allows for both upward and downward bends. Pitch Bend Wheel The wheel sends pitch bend messages, of the format <pre> 0xnc, 0xLL, 0xMM n is the status (0xE) c is the channel number LL is the 7 least-significant bits of the value MM is the 7 most-significant bits of the value </pre> You’ll notice that the bender data is actually 14 bits long, transmitted as two 7-bit data bytes. This means that the recipient needs to reassemble those bytes using binary manipulation. 14 bits results in an overall range of 214, or 0 to 16,383. Because it defaults to the center of the range, the default value for the bender is halfway through that range, at 8192 (0x2000). Control Change (0xB0) In addition to pitch bend, MIDI has provisions for a wider range of expressive controls, sometimes known as continuous controllers, often abbreviated CC. These are transmitted by the remaining knobs and sliders on the keyboard controller shown below. Continuous Controllers These controls send the following message format: <pre> 0xnc, 0xcc, 0xvv n is the status (0xB) c is the MIDI channel cc is the controller number (0-127) vv is the controller value (0-127) </pre> Typically, the wheel next to the bender sends controller number one, assigned to modulation (or vibrato) depth. It is implemented by most instruments. The remaining controller number assignments are another point of confusion. The MIDI specification was revised in version 2.0 to assign uses for many of the controllers. However, this implementation is not universal, and there are ranges of unassigned controllers. On many modern MIDI devices, the controllers are assignable. On the controller keyboard shown in the photos, the various controls can be configured to transmit different controller numbers. Controller numbers can be mapped to particular parameters. Virtual synthesizers frequently allow the user to assign CCs to the on-screen controls. This is very flexible, but it might require configuration on both ends of the link and completely bypasses the assignments in the standard. Program Change (0xC0) Most synthesizers have patch storage memory, and can be told to change patches using the following command: <pre> 0xnc, 0xpp n is the status (0xc) c is the channel pp is the patch number (0-127) </pre> This allows for 128 sounds to be selected, but modern instruments contain many more than 128 patches. Controller #0 is used as an additional layer of addressing, interpreted as a “bank select” command. Selecting a sound on such an instrument might involve two messages: a bank select controller message, then a program change. Audio & Midi are not synchronized, what I can do ? Buy a commercial software package but there is a nasty trick to synchronize both. It's a bit hardcore but works for me: Simply put one line down to all midi notes on your pattern (use Insert key) and go to 'Misc. Setup', adjust the latency and just search a value that will make sound sync both audio/midi. The stock Sin/Saw/Pulse and Rnd waveforms are too simple/common, is there a way to use something more complex/rich ? You have to ability to redirect the waveforms of the instruments through the synth pipe by selecting the "wav" option for the oscillator you're using for this synth instrument, samples can be used as wavetables to replace the stock signals. Sound banks like soundfont (sf2) or Kontakt2 are not supported at the moment ====DAW Audio Evolution 4==== Audio Evolution 4 gives you unsurpassed power for digital audio recording and editing on the Amiga. The latest release focusses on time-saving non-linear and non-destructive editing, as seen on other platforms. Besides editing, Audio Evolution 4 offers a wide range of realtime effects, including compression, noise gate, delays, reverb, chorus and 3-band EQ. Whether you put them as inserts on a channel or use them as auxillaries, the effect parameters are realtime adjustable and can be fully automated. Together with all other mixing parameters, they can even be controlled remotely, using more ergonomic MIDI hardware. Non-linear editing on the time line, including cut, copy, paste, move, split, trim and crossfade actions The number of tracks per project(s) is unlimited .... AHI limits you to recording only two at a time. i.e. not on 8 track sound cards like the Juli@ or Phase 88. sample file import is limited to 16bit AIFF (not AIFC, important distinction as some files from other sources can be AIFC with aiff file extention). and 16bit WAV (pcm only) Most apps use the Music Unit only but a few apps also use Unit (0-3) instead or as well. * Set up AHI prefs so that microphone is available. (Input option near the bottom) stereo++ allows the audio piece to be placed anywhere and the left-right adjusted to sound positionally right hifi best for music playback if driver supports this option Load 16bit .aif .aiff only sample(s) to use not AIFC which can have the same ending. AIFF stands for Audio Interchange File Format sox recital.wav recital.aiff sox recital.wav −b 16 recital.aiff channels 1 rate 16k fade 3 norm sox input.wav output.aiff bass −b 16 rate 48k performs the same format translation, but also applies four effects (down-mix to one channel, sample rate change, fade-in, nomalize), and stores the result at a bit-depth of 16. rec −c 2 radio.aiff trim 0 30:00 records half an hour of stereo audio play existing-file.wav 24bit PCM WAV or AIFF do not work *No stream format handling. So no way to pass on an AC3 encoded stream unmodified to the digital outputs through AHI. *No master volume handling. Each application has to set its own volume. So each driver implements its own custom driver-mixer interface for handling master volumes, mute and preamps. *Only one output stream. So all input gets mixed into one output. *No automatic handling of output direction based on connected cables. *No monitor input selection. Only monitor volume control. select the correct input (Don't mistake enabled sound for the correct input.) The monitor will feedback audio to the lineout and hp out no matter if you have selected the correct input to the ADC. The monitor will provide sound for any valid input. This will result in free mixing when recording from the monitor input instead of mic/line because the monitor itself will provide the hardware mixing for you. Be aware that MIC inputs will give two channel mono. Only Linein will give real stereo. Now for the not working part. Attempt to record from linein in the AE4 record window, the right channel is noise and the left channel is distorted. Even with the recommended HIFI 16bit Stereo++ mode at 48kHz. Channels Monitor Gain Inout Output Advanced settings - Debugging via serial port * Options -> Soundcard In/Out * Options -> SampleRate * Options -> Preferences F6 for Sample File List Setting a grid is easy as is measuring the BPM by marking a section of the sample. Is your kick drum track "not in time" ? If so, you're stumped in AE4 as it has no fancy variable time signatures and definitely no 'track this dodgy rhythm' function like software of the nature of Logic has. So if your drum beat is freeform you will need to work in freeform mode. (Real music is free form anyway). If the drum *is* accurate and you are just having trouble measuring the time, I usually measure over a range of bars and set the number of beats in range to say 16 as this is more accurate, Then you will need to shift the drum track to match your grid *before* applying the grid. (probably an iterative process as when the grid is active samples snap to it, and when inactive you cannot see it). AE4 does have ARexx but the functions are more for adding samples at set offsets and starting playback / recording. These are the usual features found in DAWs... * Recording digital audio, midi sequencer and mixer * virtual VST instruments and plug-ins * automation, group channels, MIDI channels, FX sends and returns, audio and MIDI editors and music notation editor * different track views * mixer and track layout (but not the same as below) * traditional two windows (track and mixer) Mixing - mixdown Could not figure out how to select what part I wanted to send to the aux, set it to echo and return. Pretty much the whole echo effect. Or any effect. Take look at page17 of the manual. When you open the EQ / Aux send popup window you will see 4 sends. Now from the menu choose the windows menu. Menus->Windows-> Aux Returns Window or press F5 You will see a small window with 4 volume controls and an effects button for each. Click a button and add an effects to that aux channel, then set it up as desired (note the reverb effect has a special AUX setting that improves its use with the aux channel, not compulsory but highly useful). You set the amount of 'return' on the main mix in the Aux Return window, and the amount sent from each main mixer channel in the popup for that channel. Again the aux sends are "prefade" so the volume faders on each channel do not affect them. Tracking Effects - fade in To add some echoes to some vocals, tried to add an effect on a track but did not come out. This is made more complicated as I wanted to mute a vocal but then make it echo at the muting point. Want to have one word of a vocal heard and then echoed off. But when the track is mute the echo is cancelled out. To correctly understand what is happening here you need to study the figure at the bottom of page 15 on the manual. You will see from that that the effects are applied 'prefade' So the automation you applied will naturally mute the entire signal. There would be a number of ways to achieve the goal, You have three real time effects slots, one for smoothing like so Sample -> Amplify -> Delay Then automate the gain of the amplify block so that it effectively mutes the sample just before the delay at the appropriate moment, the echo effect should then be heard. Getting the effects in the right order will require experimentation as they can only be added top down and it's not obvious which order they are applied to the signal, but there only two possibilities, so it wont take long to find out. Using MUTE can cause clicks to the Amplify can be used to mute more smoothly so that's a secondary advantage. Signal Processing - Overdub [[#top|...to the top]] ===Office=== ====Spreadsheet Leu==== Support for some xlsx, and ods functions ====Spreadsheet Ignition==== ; Needs ABIv1 to be completed before more can be done File formats supported * ascii #?.txt and #?.csv (single sheets with data only). * igs and TurboCalc(WIP) #?.tc for all sheets with data, formats and formulas. There is '''no''' support for xls, xlsx, ods or uos ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Office_Format Uniform Unified Office Format]) at the moment. * Always use Esc key after editing Spreadsheet cells. * copy/paste seems to copy the first instance only so go to Edit -> Clipboard to manage the list of remembered actions. * Right mouse click on row (1 or 2 or 3) or column header (a or b or c) to access optimal height or width of the row or column respectively * Edit -> Insert -> Row seems to clear the spreadsheet or clears the rows after the inserted row until undo restores as it should be... Change Sheet name by Object -> Sheet -> Properties Click in the cell which will contain the result, and click '''down arrow button''' to the right of the formula box at the bottom of the spreadsheet and choose the function required from the list provided. Then click on the start cell and click on the bottom right corner, a '''very''' small blob, which allows stretching a bounding box (thick grey outlines) across many cells This grey bounding box can be used to '''copy a formula''' to other cells. Object -> Cell -> Properties to change cell format - Currency only covers DM and not $, Euro, Renminbi, Yen or Pound etc. Shift key and arrow keys selects a range of cells, so that '''formatting can be done to all highlighted cells'''. View -> Overview then select ALL with one click (in empty cell in the top left hand corner of the sheet). Default mode is relative cell referencing e.g. a1+a2 but absolute e.g. $a$1+$a$2 can be entered. * #sheet-name to '''absolute''' reference another sheet-name cell unless reference() function used. ;Graphs use shift key and arrow keys to select a bunch of cells to be graph'ed making sure that x axes represents and y axes represents * value() - 0 value, 1 percent, 2 date, 3 time, 4 unit ... ;Dates * Excel starts a running count from the 1st Jan 1900 and Ignition starts from 1st Jan 1AD '''(maybe this needs to change)''' Set formatting Object -> Cell -> Properties and put date in days ;Time Set formatting Object -> Cell -> Properties and put time in seconds taken ;Database (to be done by someone else) type - standard, reference (bezug), search criterion (suchkriterium), * select a bunch of cells and Object -> Database -> Define to set Datenbank (database) and Felder (fields not sure how?) * Neu (new) or loschen (delete) to add/remove database headings e.g. Personal, Start Date, Finish Date (one per row?) * Object -> Database -> Index to add fields (felder) like Surname, First Name, Employee ID, etc. to ? Filtering done with dbfilter(), dbproduct() and dbposition(). Activities with dbsum(), dbaverage(), dbmin() and dbmax(). Table sorting - ;Scripts (Arexx) ;Excel(TM) to Ignition - commas ''',''' replaced by semi-colons ''';''' to separate values within functions *SUM(), *AVERAGE(), MAX(), MIN(), INT(), PRODUCT(), MEDIAN(), VAR() becomes Variance(), Percentile(), *IF(), AND, OR, NOT *LEFT(), RIGHT(), MID() becomes MIDDLE(), LEN() becomes LENGTH(), *LOWER() becomes LOWERCASE(), UPPER() becomes UPPERCASE(), * DATE(yyyy,mm,dd) becomes COMPUTEDATE(dd;mm;yyyy), *TODAY(), DAY(),WEEK(), MONTH(),=YEAR(TODAY()), *EOMONTH() becomes MONTHLENGTH(), *NOW() should be date and time becomes time only, SECOND(), MINUTE(), HOUR(), *DBSUM() becomes DSUM(), ;Missing and possibly useful features/functions needed for ignition to have better support of Excel files There is no Merge and Join Text over many cells, no protect and/or freeze row or columns or books but can LOCK sheets, no define bunch of cells as a name, Macros (Arexx?), conditional formatting, no Solver, no Goal Seek, no Format Painter, no AutoFill, no AutoSum function button, no pivot tables, (30 argument limit applies to Excel) *HLOOKUP(), VLOOKUP(), [http://production-scheduling.com/excel-index-function-most-useful/ INDEX(), MATCH()], CHOOSE(), TEXT(), *TRIM(), FIND(), SUBSTITUTE(), CONCATENATE() or &, PROPER(), REPT(), *[https://acingexcel.com/excel-sumproduct-function/ SUMPRODUCT()], ROUND(), ROUNDUP(), *ROUNDDOWN(), COUNT(), COUNTA(), SUMIF(), COUNTIF(), COUNTBLANK(), TRUNC(), *PMT(), PV(), FV(), POWER(), SQRT(), MODE(), TRUE, FALSE, *MODE(), LARGE(), SMALL(), RANK(), STDEV(), *DCOUNT(), DCOUNTA(), WEEKDAY(), ;Excel Keyboard [http://dmcritchie.mvps.org/excel/shortx2k.htm shortcuts needed to aid usability in Ignition] <pre> Ctrl Z - Undo Ctrl D - Fill Down Ctrl R - Fill right Ctrl F - Find Ctrl H - Replace Ctrl 1 - Formatting of Cells CTRL SHIFT ~ Apply General Formatting ie a number Ctrl ; - Todays Date F2 - Edit cell F4 - toggle cell absolute / relative cell references </pre> ====Document Scanning - Scandal==== Scanner usually needs to be connected via a USB port and not via a hub or extension lead. Check in Trident Prefs -> Devices that the USB Scanner is not bound to anything (e.g. Bindings None) If not found then reboot the computer and recheck. Start Scandal, choose Settings from Menu strip at top of screen and in Scanner Driver choose the ?#.device of the scanner (e.g. epson2.device). The next two boxes - leave empty as they are for morphos SCSI use only or put ata.device (use the selection option in bigger box below) and Unit as 0 this is needed for gt68xx * gt68xx - no editing needed in s/gt68xx.conf but needs a firmware file that corresponds to the scanner [http://www.meier-geinitz.de/sane/gt68xx-backend/ gt68xx firmwares] in sys:s/gt68xx. * epson2 - Need to edit the file epson2.conf in sys/s that corresponds to the scanner being used '''Save''' the settings but do not press the Use button (aros freezes) Back to the Picture Scan window and the right-hand sections. Click on the '''Information''' tab and press Connect button and the scanner should now be detected. Go next to the '''Scanner''' tab next to Information Tab should have Color, Black and White, etc. and dpi settings now. Selecting an option Color, B/W etc. can cause dpi settings corruption (especially if the settings are in one line) so set '''dpi first'''. Make sure if Preview is set or not. In the '''Scan''' Tab, press Scan and the scanner will do its duty. Be aware that nothing is saved to disk yet. In the Save tab, change format JPEG, PNG or IFF DEEP. Tick incremental and base filename if necessary and then click the Save button. The image will now be saved to permanent storage. The driver ignores a device if it is already bond to another USB class, rejects it from being usable. However, open Trident prefs, select your device and use the right mouse button to open. Select "NONE" to prevent poseidon from touching the device. Now save settings. It should always work now. [[#top|...to the top]] ===Emulators=== ==== Amiberry ==== ==== Amiga Emu - Janus UAE ==== With Amibridge, AROS attempts to make the UAE emulator seem embedded within but it still is acting as an app There is no dynarec m68k for each hardware that Aros supports or direct patching of motorola calls to AROS hardware accelerated ones unless the emulator has that included Try starting Janus with a priority of -1 like this little script: <pre> cd sys:system/AmiBridge/emulator changetaskpri -1 run janus-uae -f my_uaerc.config >nil: cd sys:prefs endcli </pre> This stops Janus hogging all the CPU time. ===Miscellaneous=== ====Screensaver Blanker==== Most blankers on the amiga (i.e. aros) run as commodities (they are in the tools/commodities drawer). Double click on blanker. Control is with an app called Exchange, which you need to run first (double click on app) or run QUIET sys:tools/commodities/Exchange >NIL: but subsequently can use (Cntrl Alt h). Icon tool types (may be broken) or command line options <pre> seconds=number </pre> Once the timing is right then add the following to s:icaros-sequence or s:user-startup e.g. for 5 minutes run QUIET sys:tools/commodities/Blanker seconds=300 >NIL: *[http://archives.aros-exec.org/index.php?function=showfile&file=graphics/screenblanker/gblanker.i386-aros.zip Garshneblanker] can make Aros unstable or slow. Certain blankers crashes in Icaros 2.0.x like Dragon, Executor. *[ Acuario AROS version], the aquarium screen saver. Startup: extras:acuariofv-aros/acuario Kill: c:break name=extras:acuariofv-aros/acuario Managed to start Acuario by the Executor blanker. <pre> cx_priority= cx_popkey= ie CX_POPKEY="Shift F1" cx_popup=Yes or No </pre> <pre> Qualifier String Input Event Class ---------------- ----------------- "lshift" IEQUALIFIER_LSHIFT "rshift" IEQUALIFIER_RSHIFT "capslock" IEQUALIFIER_CAPSLOCK "control" IEQUALIFIER_CONTROL "lalt" IEQUALIFIER_LALT "ralt" IEQUALIFIER_RALT "lcommand" IEQUALIFIER_LCOMMAND "rcommand" IEQUALIFIER_RCOMMAND "numericpad" IEQUALIFIER_NUMERICPAD "repeat" IEQUALIFIER_REPEAT "midbutton" IEQUALIFIER_MIDBUTTON "rbutton" IEQUALIFIER_RBUTTON "leftbutton" IEQUALIFIER_LEFTBUTTON "relativemouse" IEQUALIFIER_RELATIVEMOUSE </pre> <pre> Synonym Synonym String Identifier ------- ---------- "shift" IXSYM_SHIFT /* look for either shift key */ "caps" IXSYM_CAPS /* look for either shift key or capslock */ "alt" IXSYM_ALT /* look for either alt key */ Highmap is one of the following strings: "space", "backspace", "tab", "enter", "return", "esc", "del", "up", "down", "right", "left", "f1", "f2", "f3", "f4", "f5", "f6", "f7", "f8", "f9", "f10", "help". </pre> [[#top|...to the top]] ==== World Construction Set WCS (Version 2.031) ==== WCS is a fractal landscape software such as Scenery Animator, Vista Pro and Panorama. Open sourced February 2022, World Construction Set [https://3dnature.com/downloads/legacy-software/ legally and for free] and [https://github.com/AlphaPixel/3DNature c source]. Announced August 1994 this version dates from April 1996 developed by Gary R. Huber and Chris "Xenon" Hanson" from Questar <pre> Assign "WCSProjects:" "Volume:Dir/Dir/WCSProjects" Assign "WCSFrames:" "Volume:Dir/Dir/WCSFrames" </pre> <pre> Load projects .proj by accessing pull down menu Project -> Open then click on CanyonSunset.proj OK to changing .par file and enlarge Status Log window to show what is happening Render by pull down menu Modules -> Render with End equal 1 not 300 then click bottom middle button Render </pre> [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxQDmf1ZWG0 Youtube walkthrough of above], [], [], Also try working with the already built file ColoDemo - Then open with the drop-down menu: Project/Open, then WCSProject:ColoDemo.proj Which allows you to use altimetric DEM files already included and Loading scene parameters from ColoDemo.par Once this is done, save everything with a new name to start working exclusively on your project. Then drop-down menu and select Save As ("NewName".proj name), then drop-down menu to open parameter and select Save All ( .par name) After launching the software, there is a the Module Control Panel composed of five icons. It is a dock type shortcut of the first few functions of the drop-down menu *Database - Load (#?.proj), Append, Create, Edit, Save, Dir List (of WCSProject drawer), *Data Ops - Extract / Convert Interp DEM, Import DLG, DXF, WDB and export LW map 3d formats *Map View - Database file Loader leading to Map View Control with option to the Database Editor *Parameters - Editor for Motion, Color, Ecosystem, Clouds, Waves, management of altimeter files DEM, sclock settings etc *Render - rendering terrain These are more in the pull down menu but not in the dock *Motion Editor *Color Editor *Ecosys Editor Simple minimal workflow *Load database (1st icon - 1st) *Set parameters and save .par file (4th icon) *Render scene (5th icon) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbTwwR2qcc4 Youtube], [], <pre> .proj new project name which creates a drawer of additional files .binary array, ascii array .xyz , z buffer, DTED .dt0, vista 1990s dem, iff conversion .Obj with .elev, .frd with .hdr maps, - digital elevation model (DEM) is a 3D representation of elevation data in various formats USGS 7.5MinDEM, .par </pre> Since for the time being no project is loaded, a query window indicates a procedural error when clicking on the rendering icon (right end of the bar). The menu is quite traditional; it varies according to the activity of the windows. To display any altimetric file in the "Mapview" (third icon of the panel), There are three possibilities: * Loading of a demonstration project. * The import of a DEM file, followed by texturing and packaging from the "Database-Editor" and the "Color-Editor". * The creation of an altimetric file in WCS format, then texturing. The altimeter file editing (display in the menu) is only made possible if the "Mapview" window is active. The software is made up of many windows and won't be able to describe them all. Know that "Color-Editor" and the "Data-Editor" comprise sufficient functions for obtaining an almost real rendering quality. You have the possibility of inserting vector objects in the "Data-Editor" (creation of roads, railways, etc.) The Map View (MapView) window *Database - Objects and Topos *View - Align, Center, Zoom, Pan, Move *Draw - Maps and distance *Object - Find, highlight, add points, conform topo, duplicate *Motion - Camera, Focus, path, elevation *Windows - DEM designer, Cloud (.cld) and wave (.wve) editor, You will notice that by selecting this window and simply moving the pointer to various points on the map you will see latitude and longitude values ​​change, along with the height. Drop-down menu and Modules, then select MapView and change the width of the window with the map to arrange it in the best way on the screen. With the Auto button the center. Window that then displays the contents of my DEM file, in this case the Grand Canyon. MapView allows you to observe the shape of the landscape from above ZOOM button Press the Zoom button and then with the pointer position on a point on the map, press the left mouse button and then move to the opposite corner to circumscribe the chosen area and press the left mouse button again, then we will see the enlarged area selected on the map. Would add that there is a box next to the Zoom button that allows the direct insertion of a value which, the larger it is, the smaller the magnification and the smaller the value, the stronger the magnification. At each numerical change you will need to press the DRAW button to update the view. PAN button Under Zoom you will find the PAN button which allows you to move the map at will in all directions by the amount you want. This is done by drawing a line in one direction, then press PAN and point to an area on the map with the pointer and press the left mouse button. At this point, leave it and move the pointer in one direction by drawing a line and press the left mouse button again to trigger the movement of the map on the screen (origin and end points). Do some experiments and then use the Auto button immediately below to recenter everything. There are parameters such as TOPO, VEC to be left checked and immediately below one that allows different views of the map with the Style command (Single, Multi, Surface, Emboss, Slope, Contour), each with its own particularities to highlight different details. Now you have the first basics to manage your project visually on the map. Close the MapView window and go further... Let's start working on ECOSYSTEMS If we select Emboss from the MapView Style command we will have a clear idea of ​​how the landscape appears, realizing that it is a predominantly desert region of our planet. Therefore we will begin to act on any vegetation present and the appearance of the landscape. With WCS we will begin to break down the elements of the landscape by assigning defined characteristics. It will be necessary to determine the classes of the ecosystem (Class) with parameters of Elevation Line (maximum altitude), Relative Elevation (arrangement on basins or convexities with respectively positive or negative parameters), Min Slope and Max Slope (slope). WCS offers the possibility of making ecosystems coexist on the same terrain with the UnderEco function, by setting a Density value. Ecosys Ecosystem Editor Let's open it from Modules, then Ecosys Editor. In the left pane you will find the list of ecosystems referring to the files present in our project. It will be necessary to clean up that box to leave only the Water and Snow landscapes and a few other predefined ones. We can do this by selecting the items and pressing the Remove button (be careful not for all elements the button is activated, therefore they cannot all be eliminated). Once this is done we can start adding new ecosystems. Scroll through the various Unused and as soon as the Name item at the top is activated allowing you to write, type the name of your ecosystem, adding the necessary parameters. <pre> Ecosystem1: Name: RockBase Class: Rock Density: 80 MinSlope: 15 UnderEco: Terrain Ecosystem2: Name: RockIncl Clss: Rock Density: 80 MinSlope: 30 UnderEco: Terrain Ecosystem3: Name: Grass Class Low Veg Density: 50 Height: 1 Elev Line : 1500 Rel El Eff: 5 Max Slope: 10 – Min Slope: 0 UnderEco: Terrain Ecosistema4: Name: Shrubs Class: Low Veg Density: 40 Height: 8 Elev Line: 3000 Rel El Eff: -2 Max Slope: 20 Min Slope : 5 UnderEco: Terrain Ecosistema5: Name: Terrain Class: Ground Density: 100 UnderEco: Terrain </pre> Now we need to identify an intermediate ecosystem that guarantees a smooth transition between all, therefore we select as Understory Ecosystem the one called Terrain in all ecosystems, except Snow and Water . Now we need to 'emerge' the Colorado River in the Canyon and we can do this by raising the sea level to 900 (Sea Level) in the Ecosystem called Water. Please note that the order of the ecosystem list gives priority to those that come after. So our list must have the following order: Water, Snow, Shrubs, RockIncl, RockBase, Terrain. It is possible to carry out all movements with the Swap button at the bottom. To put order you can also press Short List. Press Keep to confirm all the work done so far with Ecosystem Editor. Remember every now and then to save both the Project 'Modules/Save' and 'Parameter/Save All' EcoModels are made up of .etp .fgp .iff8 for each model Color Editor Now it's time to define the colors of our scene and we can do this by going to Modules and then Color Editor. In the list we focus on our ecosystems, created first. Let's go to the bottom of the list and select the first white space, assigning the name 'empty1', with a color we like and then we will find this element again in other environments... It could serve as an example for other situations! So we move to 'grass' which already exists and assign the following colors: R 60 G 70 B50 <pre> 'shrubs': R 60 G 80 B 30 'RockIncl' R 110 G 65 B 60 'RockBase' R 110 G 80 B 80 ' Terrain' R 150 G 30 B 30 <pre> Now we can work on pre-existing colors <pre> 'SunLight' R 150 G 130 B 130 'Haze and Fog' R 190 G 170 B 170 'Horizon' R 209 G 185 B 190 'Zenith' R 140 G 150 B 200 'Water' R 90 G 125 B 170 </pre> Ambient R 0 G 0 B 0 So don't forget to close Color Editor by pressing Keep. Go once again to Ecosystem Editor and assign the corresponding color to each environment by selecting it using the Ecosystem Color button. Press it several times until the correct one appears. Then save the project and parameters again, as done previously. Motion Editor Now it's time to take care of the framing, so let's go to Modules and then to Motion Editor. An extremely feature-rich window will open. Following is the list of parameters regarding the Camera, position and other characteristics: <pre> -Camera Altitude: 7.0 -Camera Latitude: 36.075 -Camera Longitude: 112.133 -Focus Attitude: -2.0 -Focus Latitude: 36.275 -Focus Longitude: 112.386 -Camera : 512 → rendering window -Camera Y: 384 → rendering window -View Arc: 80 → View width in degrees -Sun Longitude: 172 -Sun Latitude: -0.9 -Haze Start: 3.8 -Haze Range: 78, 5 </pre> As soon as the values ​​shown in the relevant sliders have been modified, we will be ready to open the CamView window to observe the wireframe preview. Let's not consider all the controls that will appear. Well from the Motion Editor if you have selected Camera Altitude and open the CamView panel, you can change the height of the camera by holding down the right mouse button and moving the mouse up and down. To update the view, press the Terrain button in the adjacent window. As soon as you are convinced of the position, confirm again with Keep. You can carry out the same work with the other functions of the camera, such as Focus Altitude... Let's now see the next positioning step on the Camera map, but let's leave the CamView preview window open while we go to Modules to open the window at the same time MapView. We will thus be able to take advantage of the view from the other together with a subjective one. From the MapView window, select with the left mouse button and while it is pressed, move the Camera as desired. To update the subjective preview, always click on Terrain. While with the same procedure you can intervene on the direction of the camera lens, by selecting the cross and with the left button pressed you can choose the desired view. So with the pressure of Terrain I update the Preview. Possibly can enlarge or reduce the Map View using the Zoom button, for greater precision. Also write that the circle around the cameras indicates the beginning of the haze, there are two types (haze and fog) linked to the altitude. Would also add that the camera height is editable through the Motion Editor panel. The sun Let's see that changing the position of the sun from the Motion Editor. Press the SUN button at the bottom right and set the time and the date. Longitude and latitude are automatically obtained by the program. Always open the View Arc command from the Motion Editor panel, an item present in the Parameter List box. Once again confirm everything with Keep and then save again. Animation The animation part is not left-back and also occupies a window. The settings possibilities are enormous. A time line with dragging functions ("slide", "drag"...) comparable to that of LightWave completes this window. A small window is available for positioning the stars as a function of a date, in order to vary the seasons and their various events (and yes...). At the bottom of the "Motion-Editor", a "cam-view" function will give you access to a control panel. Different preview modes are possible. The rendering is also accessible through a window. No less than nine pages compose it. At this level, you will be able to determine the backup name of your images ("path"), the type of texture to be calculated, the resolution of the images, activate or deactivate functions such as the depth buffer ("zbuffer"), the blur, the background image, etc. Once all these parameters have been set, all you have to do is click on the "Render" button. For rendering go to Modules and then Render. Select the resolution, then under IMA select the name of the image. Move to FRA and indicate the level of fractal detail which of 4 is quite good. Then Keep to confirm and then reopen the window, pressing Render you will see the result. The image will be opened with any viewing program. Strengths: * Multi-window. * Quality of rendering. * Accuracy. * Opening, preview and rendering on CyberGraphX screen. * Extract / Convert Interp DEM, Import DLG, DXF, WDB and export LW map 3d formats * The "zbuffer" function. Weaknesses: * No OpenGL management * Calculation time. * No network computing tool. ====Writing CD / DVD - Frying Pan==== Can be backup DVDs (4GB ISO size limit due to use of FileInfoBlock), create audio cds from mp3's, and put .iso files on discs If using for the first time - click Drive button and Device set to ata.device and unit to 0 (zero) Click Tracks Button - Drive 1 - Create New Disc or Import Existing Disc Image (iso bin/cue etc.) - Session File open cue file If you're making a data cd, with files and drawers from your hard drive, you should be using the ISO Builder.. which is the MUI page on the left. ("Data/Audio Tracks" is on the right). You should use the "Data/Audio tracks" page if you want to create music cds with AIFF/WAV/MP3 files, or if you download an .iso file, and you want to put it on a cd. Click WRITE Button - set write speed - click on long Write button Examples Easiest way would be to burn a DATA CD, simply go to "Tracks" page "ISO Builder" and "ADD" everything you need to burn. On the "Write" page i have "Masterize Disc (DAO)", "Close Disc" and "Eject after Write" set. One must not "Blank disc before write" if one uses a CDR AUDIO CD from MP3's are as easy but tricky to deal with. FP only understands one MP3 format, Layer II, everything else will just create empty tracks Burning bootable CD's works only with .iso files. Go to "Tracks" page and "Data/Audio Tracks" and add the .iso ====odf==== Every ODF file is a collection of several subdocuments within a package (ZIP file), each of which stores part of the complete document. * content.xml – Document content and automatic styles used in the content. * styles.xml – Styles used in the document content and automatic styles used in the styles themselves. * meta.xml – Document meta information, such as the author or the time of the last save action. * settings.xml – Application-specific settings, such as the window size or printer information. To read document follow these steps: * Extracting .ods file. * Getting content.xml file (which contains sheets data). * Creating XmlDocument object from content.xml file. * Creating DataSet (that represent Spreadsheet file). * With XmlDocument select “table:table” elements, and then create adequate DataTables. * Parse child’s of “table:table” element and fill DataTables with those data. * At the end, return DataSet and show it in application’s interface. To write document follow these steps: * Extracting template.ods file (.ods file that we use as template). * Getting content.xml file. * Creating XmlDocument object from content.xml file. * Erasing all “table:table” elements from the content.xml file. * Reading data from our DataSet and composing adequate “table:table” elements. * Adding “table:table” elements to content.xml file. * Zipping that file as new .ods file. XLS file format The XLS file format contains streams, substreams, and records. These sheet substreams include worksheets, macro sheets, chart sheets, dialog sheets, and VBA module sheets. All the records in an XLS document start with a 2-byte unsigned integer to specify Record Type (rt), and another for Count of Bytes (cb). A record cannot exceed 8224 bytes. If larger than the rest is stored in one or more continue records. * Workbook stream **Globals substream ***BoundSheet8 record - info for Worksheet substream i.e. name, location, type, and visibility. (4bytes the lbPlyPos FilePointer, specifies the position in the Workbook stream where the sheet substream starts) **Worksheet substream (sheet) - Cell Table - Row record - Cells (2byte=row 2byte=column 2byte=XF format) ***Blank cell record ***RK cell record 32-bit number. ***BoolErr cell record (2-byte Bes structure that may be either a Boolean value or an error code) ***Number cell record (64-bit floating-point number) ***LabelSst cell record (4-byte integer that specifies a string in the Shared Strings Table (SST). Specifically, the integer corresponds to the array index in the RGB field of the SST) ***Formula cell record (FormulaValue structure in the 8 bytes that follow the cell structure. The next 6 bytes can be ignored, and the rest of the record is a CellParsedFormula structure that contains the formula itself) ***MulBlank record (first 2 bytes give the row, and the next 2 bytes give the column that the series of blanks starts at. Next, a variable length array of cell structures follows to store formatting information, and the last 2 bytes show what column the series of blanks ends on) ***MulRK record ***Shared String Table (SST) contains all of the string values in the workbook. ACCRINT(), ACCRINTM(), AMORDEGRC(), AMORLINC(), COUPDAYBS(), COUPDAYS(), COUPDAYSNC(), COUPNCD(), COUPNUM(), COUPPCD(), CUMIPMT(), CUMPRINC(), DB(), DDB(), DISC(), DOLLARDE(), DOLLARFR(), DURATION(), EFFECT(), FV(), FVSCHEDULE(), INTRATE(), IPMT(), IRR(), ISPMT(), MDURATION(), MIRR(), NOMINAL(), NPER(), NPV(), ODDFPRICE(), ODDFYIELD(), ODDLPRICE(), ODDLYIELD(), PMT(), PPMT(), PRICE(), PRICEDISC(), PRICEMAT(), PV(), RATE(), RECEIVED(), SLN(), SYD(), TBILLEQ(), TBILLPRICE(), TBILLYIELD(), VDB(), XIRR(), XNPV(), YIELD(), YIELDDISC(), YIELDMAT(), <pre> </pre> <pre> </pre> <pre> </pre> {{BookCat}} b1o187d5606pzi7wopkm3yzyqcvzdnt 4637086 4637084 2026-05-22T19:48:59Z Jeff1138 301139 4637086 wikitext text/x-wiki ==Introduction== [[#Graphical Image Editing Art]] [[#Office Application]] [[#Audio]] [[#Misc Application]] [[#Games & Emulation]] [[#Application Guides]] [[#top|...to the top]] [[#top|...to the top]] Most apps can be opened on the Workbench (aka publicscreen pubscreen) which is the default display option but can offer a custom one set to your configurations (aka custom screen mode promotion). 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[https://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/ ZunePaint], [http://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/ ZuneView], |<!--Amiga OS-->[ Tecsoft Video Paint aka TVPaint], Photogenics*, ArtEffect*, ImageFX*, XiPaint, fxPaint, ImageMasterRT, Opalpaint, |<!--AmigaOS4-->WarpView, flPhoto, [http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit Photocrop] |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=3 ShowGirls], ImageFX*, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Manage RAW picture folder galleries like Darktable, RAWtherapy, etc |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Graphic Format Converter - ICC profile support sRGB, Adobe RGB, XYZ and linear RGB |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->GraphicsConverter, ImageStudio, [http://www.coplabs.org/artpro.html ArtPro] |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Thumbnail Generator [], |<!--AROS-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/ ZuneView], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/shell Thumbnail Generator] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Icon Editor |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/iconedit Archives], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/workbench Icon Toolbox], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/iconedit IconEditor] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->2D Pixel Art Animation |<!--AROS-->Lunapaint |<!--Amiga OS-->PPaint, AnimatED, Scala*, GoldDisk MovieSetter*, Walt Disney's Animation Studio*, ProDAD*, [https://github.com/historicalsource/DeluxePaint DeluxePaint src], Brilliance |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=3 Titler] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->2D SVG based MovieSetter type |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->MovieSetter*, Fantavision* |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Morphing |<!--AROS-->[ GLMorph] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->2D Cad (qcad->LibreCAD, etc.) |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->Xcad, MaxonCAD |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->3D Cad like FreeCad, BRL-CAD, OpenSCAD, AvoCADo, etc. using dxf, obj (vertices), blend, |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->XCad3d*, DynaCADD*, Cycas, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->3D Model Rendering of glft (json) gbl (png jpg), usdz (USD files with materials, textures, and animations), FBX Filmbox is a proprietary Autodesk format, |<!--AROS-->POV-Ray |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.discreetfx.com./amigaproducts.html CINEMA 4D]*, POV-Ray, Lightwave3D*, Real3D*, Caligari24*, Reflections/Monzoom*, [https://github.com/privatosan/RayStorm Raystorm src], Tornado 3D |<!--AmigaOS4-->Blender, POV-Ray, Yafray |<!--MorphOS-->Blender, POV-Ray, Yafray |- |<!--Sub Menu-->3D Format Converter [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=graphics/convert/ivcon.lha IVCon] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Screen grabbing display |<!--AROS-->[ Screengrabber], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/misc snapit], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=video/record screen recorder], [] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Grab graphics music from apps [https://github.com/Malvineous/ripper6 ripper6], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. [[#top|...to the top]] ==Office Application== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Office !width:10%;|AROS (x86) !width:10%;|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_software Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1] (68k) !width:10%;|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AmigaOS_4 Hyperion OS4] (PPC) !width:10%;|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MorphOS MorphOS] (PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Word-processing |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=office/wordprocessing Cinnamon Writer], [https://finalwriter.godaddysites.com/ Final Writer 7*], [https://github.com/sodero/MUI-Vim/releases MUI-Vim], [ ], |<!--AmigaOS-->[ Softwood FinalCopy II*], Haage AmigaWriter*, Digita WordWorth*, Softwood FinalWriter*, Micro-Systems Excellence 3*, Arnor Protext, Rashumon, [ InterWord], [ KindWords], [WordPerfect], [ New Horizons Flow], [ CygnusEd Pro], [ Micro-systems Scribble], |<!--AmigaOS4-->AbiWord, [ CinnamonWriter] |<!--MorphOS-->[ Cinnamon Writer], [http://www.meta-morphos.org/viewtopic.php?topic=1246&forum=53 scriba], [http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/index.php Papyrus Office], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Spreadsheets |<!--AROS-->[https://blog.alb42.de/programs/leu/ Leu], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=office/spreadsheet], |<!--AmigaOS-->[https://aminet.net/package/biz/spread/ignition-src Ignition Src 1.3], [MaxiPlan 500 Plus], [OXXI Plan/IT v2.0 Speadsheet], [ Superplan], [ Creative Developments TurboCalc], [ ProCalc], [ InterSpread], [Digita DGCalc], [ Gold Disk Advantage], [ Micro-systems Analyze!] |<!--AmigaOS4-->Gnumeric, [https://ignition-amiga.sourceforge.net/ Ignition], |<!--MorphOS-->[ ignition], [http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php Papyrus Office], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Presentations |<!--AROS-->[http://www.hollywoood-mal.com/ Hollywood]*, |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.hollywoood-mal.com/ Hollywood]*, MediaPoint, PointRider, Scala*, |<!--Amiga OS4-->[http://www.hollywoood-mal.com/ Hollywood]*, PointRider |<!--MorphOS-->[http://www.hollywoood-mal.com/ Hollywood]*, PointRider |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Databases |<!--AROS-->[http://sdb.freeforums.org/ SDB], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=office/database BeeBase], |<!--Amiga OS-->Precision Superbase 4 Pro*, Arnor Prodata*, BeeBase, Datastore, FinalData*, AmigaBase, Fiasco, Twist2*, [Digita DGBase], [], |<!--AmigaOS4-->BeeBase, SQLite, |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=6 BeeBase], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->PDF Viewing and editing digital signatures |<!--AROS-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/arospdf/ ArosPDF via splash], [https://github.com/wattoc/AROS-vpdf vpdf wip], |<!--Amiga OS-->APDF |<!--AmigaOS4-->AmiPDF |<!--MorphOS-->APDF, vPDF, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Printing |<!--AROS-->Postscript 3 laser printers and Ghostscript internal, [ GutenPrint], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.irseesoft.de/tp_what.htm TurboPrint]* |<!--AmigaOS4-->(some native drivers), |<!--MorphOS-->early TurboPrint included, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Note Taking markdown support like joplin, OneNote, EverNote Notes, xournalpp, etc |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Study and analyse, collect, organize, annotate, cite, and share |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->PIM Personal Information Manager - Day Diary Planner Calendar App |<!--AROS-->[ ], [ ], [ ], |<!--Amiga OS-->Digita Organiser*, On The Ball, Everyday Organiser, [ Contact Manager], |<!--AmigaOS4-->AOrganiser, |<!--MorphOS-->[http://polymere.free.fr/orga_en.html PolyOrga], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Accounting |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=office/misc ETB], LoanCalc, [ ], [ ], [ ], |[ Digita Home Accounts2], Accountant, Small Business Accounts, Account Master, [ Amigabok], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Project Management Research |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->SuperGantt, SuperPlan, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->System Wide Dictionary - multilingual [http://sourceforge.net/projects/babiloo/ Babiloo], [http://code.google.com/p/stardict-3/ StarDict], |<!--AROS-->[ ], |<!--AmigaOS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->System wide Thesaurus - multi lingual |<!--AROS-->[ ], |Kuma K-Roget*, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Sticky Desktop Notes (post it type) |<!--AROS-->[http://aminet.net/package/util/wb/amimemos.i386-aros AmiMemos], [https://aminet.net/package/util/wb/amimemos.src-aros AmiMemos Src], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://aminet.net/package/util/wb/StickIt-2.00 StickIt v2], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->DTP Desktop Publishing |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit RNOPublisher], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://pagestream.org/ Pagestream]*, Professional Pro Page*, Saxon Publisher, Pagesetter, PenPal, |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://pagestream.org/ Pagestream]* |<!--MorphOS-->[http://pagestream.org/ Pagestream]* |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Scanning |<!--AROS-->[ SCANdal], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->FxScan*, ScanQuix* |<!--AmigaOS4-->SCANdal (Sane) |<!--MorphOS-->SCANdal |- |<!--Sub Menu-->OCR |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/convert gOCR] |<!--AmigaOS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos-files.net/categories/office/text Tesseract] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Text Editing |<!--AROS-->Jano Editor (already installed as Editor), [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=development/edit EdiSyn], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/text/edit Annotate], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=development/edit Vim], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/text/edit FrexxEd] [https://github.com/vidarh/FrexxEd src], [ NoWinEd], |<!--Amiga OS-->Annotate, MicroGoldED/CubicIDE*, CygnusED*, Turbotext, Protext*, NoWinED, |<!--AmigaOS4-->Notepad, Annotate, CygnusED*, NoWinED, |<!--MorphOS-->MorphOS ED, NoWinED, GoldED/CubicIDE*, CygnusED*, Annotate, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Office Fonts [http://sourceforge.net/projects/fontforge/files/fontforge-source/ Font Designer] |<!--AROS-->[ ], [ ], |<!--Amiga OS-->TypeSmith*, SaxonScript (GetFont Adobe Type 1), |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Drawing Vector |<!--AROS-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/amifig/ ZuneFIG previously AmiFIG] |<!--Amiga OS-->Drawstudio*, ProVector*, ArtExpression*, Professional Draw*, AmiFIG, MetaView, [https://gitlab.com/amigasourcecodepreservation/designworks Design Works Src], [], |<!--AmigaOS4-->MindSpace, [http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit amifig], |<!--MorphOS-->SteamDraw, [http://aminet.net/package/gfx/edit/amifig amiFIG], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->video conferencing (jitsi) |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->source code hosting |<!--AROS-->Gitlab, |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Remote Desktop (server) |<!--AROS-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/VNC_Server ArosVNCServer], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://s.guillard.free.fr/AmiVNC/AmiVNC.htm AmiVNC], [http://dspach.free.fr/amiga/avnc/index.html AVNC] |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://s.guillard.free.fr/AmiVNC/AmiVNC.htm AmiVNC] |MorphVNC, vncserver |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Remote Desktop (client) |<!--AROS-->[https://sourceforge.net/projects/zunetools/files/VNC_Client/ ArosVNC], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=network/misc rdesktop], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://twinvnc.free.fr/index.php?menu=01&lang=eng TwinVNC], [http://dspach.free.fr/amiga/vva/index.html VVA], [http://www.hd-zone.com/ RDesktop] |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://twinvnc.free.fr/index.php?menu=01&lang=eng TwinVNC], [http://www.hd-zone.com/ RDesktop] |[http://twinvnc.free.fr/index.php?menu=01&lang=eng TwinVNC], [http://www.hd-zone.com/ RDesktop] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->notifications |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->Ranchero |<!--AmigaOS4-->Ringhio |<!--MorphOS-->MagicBeacon |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. [[#top|...to the top]] ==Audio== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Audio !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1(68k) !width:10%;|Hyperion OS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Playing playback Audio like MP3, [https://github.com/chrg127/gmplayer NSF], [https://github.com/kode54/lazyusf miniusf .usflib], [], etc |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=video/play Mplayer], [ HarmonyPlayer hp], [http://www.a500.org/downloads/audio/index.xhtml playcdda] CDs, [ WildMidi Player], [https://bszili.morphos.me/ UADE mod player], [], [RNOTunes ], [ mp3Player], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->AmiNetRadio, AmigaAmp, playOGG, |<!--AmigaOS4-->TuneNet, SimplePlay, AmigaAmp, TKPlayer |AmiNetRadio, Mplayer, Kaya, AmigaAmp |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Editing Audio |<!--AROS-->[ Audio Evolution 4] |<!--Amiga OS-->[ Samplitude Opus Key], [https://sourceforge.net/projects/hd-rec/ HD-Rec Src], [http://www.sonicpulse.de/eng/news.html SoundFX], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[https://sourceforge.net/projects/hd-rec/ HD-Rec], AmiSoundED, [http://os4depot.net/?function=showfile&file=audio/record/audioevolution4.lha Audio Evolution 4] |[http://www.hd-rec.de/HD-Rec/index.php?site=home HD-Rec], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Editing Tracker Music |<!--AROS-->[https://github.com/hitchhikr/protrekkr Protrekkr], [ Schism Tracker], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/tracker MilkyTracker], [http://www.hivelytracker.com/ HivelyTracker], [ Radium in AROS already], [http://www.a500.org/downloads/development/index.xhtml libMikMod], |<!--Amiga OS-->MilkyTracker, HivelyTracker, DigiBooster, Octamed SoundStudio, |<!--AmigaOS4-->MilkyTracker, HivelyTracker, GoatTracker |MilkyTracker, GoatTracker, DigiBooster, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Editing Music [], [https://github.com/kmatheussen/camd CAMD] and/or staves and notes manuscript |<!--AROS-->[http://bnp.hansfaust.de/ Bars and Pipes for AROS], [ Audio Evolution], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://bnp.hansfaust.de/ Bars'n'Pipes], MusicX* David "Talin" Joiner & Craig Weeks (for Notator-X), Deluxe Music Construction 2*, [https://github.com/timoinutilis/midi-sequencer-amigaos Horny c Src], HD-Rec, [https://aminet.net/package/mus/midi/dominatorV1_51 Dominator], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[https://sourceforge.net/p/hd-rec/code/HEAD/tree/ HD-Rec Src], Rockbeat, [http://bnp.hansfaust.de/download.html Bars'n'Pipes], [http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/edit Horny], Audio Evolution 4, |<!--MorphOS-->Bars'n'Pipes, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Sound Sampling |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/record Audio Evolution 4], [http://www.imica.net/SitePortalPage.aspx?siteid=1&did=162 Quick Record], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/misc SOX to get AIFF 16bit files], [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/tree/master/workbench/tools/AHIRecord AHIRecord], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://aminet.net/package/mus/edit/AudioEvolution3_src Audio Evolution 3 c src], [ Samplitude-MS Opus Key], Audiomaster IV*, |<!--AmigaOS4-->[https://github.com/timoinutilis/phonolith-amigaos phonolith c src], HD-Rec, Audio Evolution 4, |<!--MorphOS-->[https://sourceforge.net/p/hd-rec/code/HEAD/tree/ HD-Rec Src], Audio Evolution 4, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Live Looping or Audio Misc - Groovebox like |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->CD/DVD burn |[https://code.google.com/p/amiga-fryingpan/ FryingPan], |<!--Amiga OS-->FryingPan, [http://www.estamos.de/makecd/#CurrentVersion MakeCD], |<!--AmigaOS4-->FryingPan, AmiDVD, |[http://www.amiga.org/forums/printthread.php?t=58736 FryingPan], Jalopeano, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->CD/DVD audio rip |Lame, [http://www.imica.net/SitePortalPage.aspx?siteid=1&cfid=0&did=167 Quick CDrip], |<!--Amiga OS-->Lame, |<!--AmigaOS4-->Lame, |Lame, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->MP3 v1 and v2 Tagger |<!--AROS-->id3ren (v1), [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/edit mp3info], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> | |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Audio Convert |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/misc Sox], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://aminet.net/package/mus/misc/SoundBox SoundBox], [http://aminet.net/package/mus/misc/SoundBoxKey SoundBox Key], [http://aminet.net/package/mus/edit/SampleE SampleE], sox |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->DJ mixing jamming |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Radio Automation Software [http://www.rivendellaudio.org/ Rivendell], [http://code.campware.org/projects/livesupport/report/3 Campware LiveSupport], [http://www.sourcefabric.org/en/airtime/ SourceFabric AirTime], [http://www.ohloh.net/p/mediabox404 MediaBox404], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Speakers Audio Sonos Mains AC networked wired controlled *2005 ZP100 with ZP80 *2008 Zoneplayer ZP120 (multi-room wireless amp) ZP90 receiver only with CR100 controller, *2009 ZonePlayer S5, *2010 BR100 wireless Bridge (no support), *2011 Play:3 *2013 Bridge (no support), Play:1, *2016 Arc, Play:1, *Beam (Gen 2), Playbar, Ray, Era 100, Era 300, Roam, Move 2, *Sub (Gen 3), Sub Mini, Five, Amp S2 |<!--AROS-->SonosController |<!--Amiga OS-->SonosController |<!--AmigaOS4-->SonosController |<!--MorphOS-->SonosController |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Smart Speakers |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. [[#top|...to the top]] ==Video Creativity and Production== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Video !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1(68k) !width:10%;|Hyperion OS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Playing Video |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=video/play Mplayer VAMP], [http://www.a500.org/downloads/video/index.xhtml CDXL player], [http://www.a500.org/downloads/video/index.xhtml IffAnimPlay], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->Frogger*, AMP2, MPlayer, RiVA*, MooViD*, |<!--AmigaOS4-->DvPlayer, MPlayer |<!--MorphOS-->MPlayer, Frogger, AMP2, VLC |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Streaming Video and game streaming like OBS studio, Parsec, etc |<!--AROS-->Mplayer, |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->Mplayer, Gnash, Tubexx |<!--MorphOS-->Mplayer, OWB, Tubexx |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Playing DVD |<!--AROS-->[http://a-mc.biz/ AMC]*, Mplayer |<!--Amiga OS-->AMP2, Frogger |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://a-mc.biz/ AMC]*, DvPlayer*, AMP2, |<!--MorphOS-->Mplayer |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Screen Recording |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=video/record Screenrecorder], [ ], [ ], [ ], [ ], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->Screenrecorder, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Create and Edit Individual Video NLE |<!--AROS-->[ Mencoder], [ Quick Videos], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/edit AVIbuild], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/misc FrameBuild], FFMPEG, |<!--Amiga OS-->[ MainConcept Mainactor Broadcast*], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_Toaster Video Toaster*], MacroSystem MovieShop 4.3*, proDAD Adorage*, [ IOSpirit VHI studio]*, [Gold Disk ShowMaker], [], |<!--AmigaOS4-->FFMpeg/GUI |<!--MorphOS-->Blender, Mencoder, FFmpeg |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Subtitle editor |<!--AROS-->[https://aminet.net/package/text/edit/Slarti_Arosx86ABIv0 Slarti_Arosx86ABIv0], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->IP-based video production workflows with High Dynamic Range (HDR), 10-bit color collaborative NDI, |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Blogging like Lemmy or kbin |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->VR face recognition for Vtubers |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->VR chatting Live 2D models with Cubism type editor <pre> Model data (cmo3) Basic motions (can3) Background image (png) Set of files for embedding (runtime folder) • Model data (moc3) • Motion data (motion3.json) • Model settings file (model3.json) • Physics settings file (physics3.json) • Display auxiliary file (cdi3.json) </pre> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->VR chatting chatters .VRML models - standardized 3D file format for VR avatars |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->V-tubers V-tubing like Vseeface with Openseeface tracker or Vpuppr (virtual puppet project) for 2d / 3d art models rigging rigged LIV |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. [[#top|...to the top]] ==Misc Application== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Misc Application !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1 (68k) !width:10%;|Hyperion OS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->File Management |<!--AROS-->DOpus4, [https://github.com/BlitterStudio/dopus5 DOpus Magellan aka DOpus 5], [ Scalos], [ ], |<!--Amiga OS-->DOpus2, DOpus 4, [http://sourceforge.net/projects/dopus5allamigas/files/?source=navbar DOpus Magellan DOpus5], ClassAction, FileMaster, [http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=4897 DirWork 2]*, [https://github.com/RudolphRiedel/DiskMaster2 DiskMaster2 src], |<!--AmigaOS4-->DOpus4, DOpus5, Filer, AmiDisk |<!--MorphOS-->DOpus4, DOpus5 |- |<!--Sub Menu-->File Verification / Repair |<!--AROS-->md5 (works in linux compiling shell), [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/filetool workpar2] (PAR2), [http://zakalwe.fi/~shd/foss/cksfv/files/ compile cksfv from website], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->Par2, |- |App Installer |<!--AROS-->[], [ InstallerNG], |<!--Amiga OS-->InstallerNG, Grunch, |<!--AmigaOS4-->Jack |<!--MorphOS-->Jack |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Compression archiver [https://github.com/FS-make-simple/paq9a paq9a], [], |<!--AROS-->XAD system is a toolkit designed for handling various file and disk archiver |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Binary Hexadecimal Editor |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=development/edit Zaphod], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Repository |<!--AROS-->[ Git] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->Git |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Filesystem Backup |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Filesystem Repair |<!--AROS-->ArSFSDoctor, |<!--Amiga OS--> Quarterback Tools, [ ], [ ], [ ], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Multiple File renaming |<!--AROS-->DOpus 4 or 5, |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Anti Virus |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->VChecker, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Random Wallpaper Desktop changer [ DOpus5], [ Scalos], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Alarm Clock, Timer, Stopwatch, Countdown |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/workbench DClock], [http://aminet.net/util/time/AlarmClockAROS.lha AlarmClock], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Digital Signage |<!--AROS-->Hollywood, Hollywood Designer |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Fortune Cookie Quotes Sayings |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/misc AFortune], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Languages |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->Fun School, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Mathematics ([http://www-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/~parisse/install_en.html Xcas], etc.), |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/scientific mathX] |<!--Amiga OS-->Maple V, mathX, Fun School, GCSE Maths, [ ], [ ], [ ], |<!--AmigaOS4-->Yacas |<!--MorphOS-->Yacas |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. ==Misc Application 2== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:30%;|Misc Application !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|Commodore-Amiga OS 3.1(68k) !width:10%;|Hyperion OS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->System |<!--AROS-->[ SysExplorer], [ SysMon], [ Scout], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->OSK On Screen Keyboard |<!--AROS-->[], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://aminet.net/util/wb/OSK.lha OSK] |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Screen Magnifier Magnifying Glass Magnification |<!--AROS-->[http://www.onyxsoft.se/files/zoomit.lha ZoomIT], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Comic Book CBR CBZ format reader viewer |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/viewer comics], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/viewer comicon], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Ebook Reader |<!--AROS-->[https://blog.alb42.de/programs/#legadon Legadon EPUB],[] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Ebook Converter |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Text to Speech tts [https://github.com/JonathanFly/bark-installer Bark], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=audio/misc flite], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.text2speech.com translator], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=search&tool=simple FLite] |<!--MorphOS-->[http://se.aminet.net/pub/aminet/mus/misc/ FLite] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Speech Voice Recognition Dictation - [http://sourceforge.net/projects/cmusphinx/files/ CMU Sphinx], [http://julius.sourceforge.jp/en_index.php?q=en/index.html Julius], [http://www.isip.piconepress.com/projects/speech/index.html ISIP], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Speech Voice Changer [], [], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Fractals |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->ZoneXplorer, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Landscape Rendering |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/raytrace WCS World Construction Set], |<!--Amiga OS-->[ Vista Pro], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Construction_Set World Construction Set] |<!--AmigaOS4-->[ WCS World Construction Set], |<!--MorphOS-->[ WCS World Construction Set], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Astronomy [https://sourceforge.net/projects/skychart/ skychart freepascal], [], [], |<!--AROS-->[ Digital Almanac (ABIv0 only)], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://aminet.net/search?query=planetarium Aminet search], [http://aminet.net/misc/sci/DA3V56ISO.zip Digital Almanac], [https://aminet.net/package/misc/sci/da3sourceV58 Src c V58], [ Galileo renamed to Distant Suns]*, [], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://sourceforge.net/projects/digital-almanac/ Digital Almanac], Distant Suns*, [http://www.digitaluniverse.org.uk/ Digital Universe]*, |<!--MorphOS-->[http://www.aminet.net/misc/sci/da3.lha Digital Almanac], [http://www.aminet.net/package/misc/sci/da3-mos-src Src c V56], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Astrology [https://sourceforge.net/projects/skylendar/ skylendar], [https://github.com/CruiserOne/Astrolog Astrolog], [https://www.astrolog.org/astrolog/astfile.htm Astrology alt site], [https://saravali.github.io/download.html Maitreya], [https://github.com/alamahant/Asteria Asteria], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->PCB design |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->[ ], [ ], [ ], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Genealogy History Family Tree Ancestry Records (FreeBMD, FreeREG, and FreeCEN file formats or GEDCOM GenTree) |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> [ Origins], [ Your Family Tree], [ ], [ ], [ ], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Screen Display Blanker screensaver |<!--AROS-->Blanker Commodity (built in), [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/screenblanker GarshneBlanker], [http://sourceforge.net/projects/gblanker/ GBlanker Src], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->MultiCX, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->ModernArt Blanker, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Maths Graph Function Plotting |<!--AROS-->[https://blog.alb42.de/programs/#MUIPlot MUIPlot], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->App Utility Launcher Dock toolbar |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/docky BoingBar], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://github.com/adkennan/DockBot Dockbot], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->3D Printer [https://github.com/OrcaSlicer/OrcaSlicer OrcaSlicer] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->BASIC Computer Language |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=development/language Basic4SDL], [ Ace Basic], [ X-AMOS], [SDLBasic], [ Alvyn], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.amiforce.de/main.php Amiblitz 3], [http://amos.condor.serverpro3.com/AmosProManual/contents/c1.html Amos Pro], [http://aminet.net/package/dev/basic/ace24dist ACE Basic], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->sdlBasic |- |<!--Sub Menu-->C/C++ IDE |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/text/edit FrexxEd], [https://github.com/vidarh/FrexxEd FrexxEd src], Annotate, Murks, |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://devplex.awardspace.biz/cubic/index.html Cubic IDE]*, Annotate, |<!--AmigaOS4-->CodeBench , [https://gitlab.com/boemann/codecraft CodeCraft], |<!--MorphOS-->[http://devplex.awardspace.biz/cubic/index.html Cubic IDE]*, Anontate, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Computer Languages Translation [https://tetracorp.github.io/guide/reverse-engineering-amiga.html ], [https://amigasourcecodepreservation.gitlab.io/amiga-assembler-insider-guide/ ], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->[https://bitbucket.org/rhinoid/convert68000toc/src/main/ convert m68k seka asm-one to c], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Gui Creators |<!--AROS-->[ MuiBuilder], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[ MuiBuilder], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Catalog .cd .ct Editors |<!--AROS-->FlexCat |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.geit.de/deu_simplecat.html SimpleCat], FlexCat |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://aminet.net/package/dev/misc/simplecat SimpleCat], FlexCat |[http://www.geit.de/deu_simplecat.html SimpleCat], FlexCat |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} <nowiki>*</nowiki> Commercial product. ==Games & Emulation== Some emulators/games require OpenGL to function and to adjust ahi prefs channels, frequency and unit0 and unit1 and [http://aros.sourceforge.net/documentation/users/shell/changetaskpri.php changetaskpri -1] Rom patching https://www.marcrobledo.com/RomPatcher.js/ https://www.romhacking.net/patch/ (ips, ups, bps, etc) and this other site supports the latter formats https://hack64.net/tools/patcher.php Free public domain roms for use with emulators can be found [http://www.pdroms.de/ here] as most of the rest are covered by copyright rules. If you like to read about old games see [http://retrogamingtimes.com/ here] and [http://www.armchairarcade.com/neo/ here] and a [http://www.vintagecomputing.com/ blog] about old computers. Possibly some of the [http://www.answers.com/topic/list-of-best-selling-computer-and-video-games best selling] of all time. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_computer_system_emulators Wiki] with emulated systems list. [https://archive.gamehistory.org/ Archive of VGHF], [https://library.gamehistory.org/ Video Game History Foundation Library search] {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:10%;|Games [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer Emulation] !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|AmigaOS3(68k) !width:10%;|AmigaOS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Amstrad CPC |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer], [ Caprice32 (OpenGL & pure SDL)], [ Arnold], [https://retroshowcase.gr/cpcbox-master/], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer] |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=2], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Apple2 and 2GS |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Arcade |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem Mame], [ SI Emu (ABIv0 only)], |<!--Amiga OS-->Mame, |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem xmame], amiarcadia, |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=2 Mame], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Atari 2600 [], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem Stella], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Atari 5200 [https://github.com/wavemotion-dave/A5200DS A5200DS], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Atari 7800 |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Atari 400 800 130XL [https://github.com/wavemotion-dave/A8DS A8DS], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer Atari800], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Atari Lynx |<!--AROS-->[http://myfreefilehosting.com/f/6366e11bdf_1.93MB Handy (ABIv0 only)], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Atari Jaguar |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Bandai Wonderswan |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation BBC Micro and Acorn Electron [http://beehttps://bem-unix.bbcmicro.com/download.html BeebEm], [http://b-em.bbcmicro.com/ B-Em], [http://elkulator.acornelectron.co.uk/ Elkulator], [http://electrem.emuunlim.com/ ElectrEm], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Dragon 32 and Tandy CoCo [http://www.6809.org.uk/xroar/ xroar], [], |<!--AROS-->[], [], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Commodore C16 Plus4 |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Commodore C64 |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer Vice (ABIv0 only)], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->Frodo, |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem viceplus], |<!--MorphOS-->Vice, |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Commodore Amiga |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer Janus UAE], Emumiga, |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer UAE], |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=2 UAE], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Japanese MSX MSX2 |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Mattel Intelivision |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Mattel Colecovision and Adam |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Milton Bradley (MB) Vectrex [ Vectrex OpenGL], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation PICO8 Pico-8 fantasy video game console [https://github.com/egordorichev/pemsa-sdl/ pemsa-sdl], [https://github.com/jtothebell/fake-08 fake-08], [https://github.com/Epicpkmn11/fake-08/tree/wip fake-08 fork], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Nintendo Gameboy |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem vba no sound], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem vba] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Nintendo NES |<!--AROS-->[ EmiNES], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem Fceu], [https://github.com/takahirox/nes-js?tab=readme-ov-file nes-js], [https://github.com/bfirsh/jsnes jsnes], [https://github.com/angelo-wf/NesJs NesJs], |<!--Amiga OS-->AmiNES, [http://www.dridus.com/~nyef/darcnes/ darcNES], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem amines] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Nintendo SNES |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem Zsnes], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem warpsnes] |<!--MorphOS-->[http://fabportnawak.free.fr/snes/ Snes9x], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Nintendo N64 *HLE and plugins [ mupen64], [https://github.com/ares-emulator/ares ares], [https://github.com/N64Recomp/N64Recomp N64Recomp], [https://github.com/rt64/rt64 rt64], [https://github.com/simple64/simple64 Simple64], *LLE [], |<!--AROS-->[http://code.google.com/p/mupen64plus/ Mupen64+], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://code.google.com/p/mupen64plus/ Mupen64+], [http://aminet.net/package/misc/emu/tr-981125_src TR64], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[ Nintendo Gamecube Wii] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[ Nintendo Wii U] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[https://github.com/yuzu-emu Nintendo Switch] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation NEC PC Engine |<!--AROS-->[], [], [https://github.com/yhzmr442/jspce js-pce], |[http://www.hugo.fr.fm/ Hugo], [http://mednafen.sourceforge.net/ Mednafen], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem tgemu] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sega Master System (SMS) |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem Dega], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem sms], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem osmose] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sega Genesis/Megadrive |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem gp no sound], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem DGen], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://code.google.com/p/genplus-gx/ Genplus], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem genesisplus] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sega Saturn *HLE [https://mednafen.github.io/ mednafen], [http://yabause.org/ yabause], [], *LLE [], [], |<!--AROS-->? |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://yabause.org/ Yabause], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sega Dreamcast *HLE [https://github.com/flyinghead/flycast flycast], [https://code.google.com/archive/p/nulldc/downloads NullDC], *LLE [], [], |<!--AROS-->? |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sinclair ZX80 and ZX81 |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer], [], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sinclair Spectrum |[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer Fuse (crackly sound)], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer SimCoupe], [ FBZX slow], [https://jsspeccy.zxdemo.org/ jsspeccy], [http://torinak.com/qaop/games qaop], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://www.lasernet.plus.com/ Asp], [http://www.zophar.net/sinclair.html Speculator], [http://www.worldofspectrum.org/x128/index.html X128], |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sinclair QL |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer], [], |<!--Amiga OS-->[http://aminet.net/package/misc/emu/QDOS4amiga1 QDOS4amiga] |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation SNK NeoGeo Pocket |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem gngeo], NeoPop, |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation Sony PlayStation |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem FPSE], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem FPSE] |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[ Sony PS2] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[ Sony PS3] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[https://vita3k.org/ Sony Vita] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->[https://github.com/shadps4-emu/shadPS4 PS4] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tangerine_Computer_Systems Tangerine] Oric and Atmos |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer Oricutron] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/gamesystem Oricutron] |<!--MorphOS-->[http://aminet.net/package/misc/emu/oricutron Oricutron] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation TI 99/4 99/4A [https://github.com/wavemotion-dave/DS994a DS994a], [], [https://js99er.net/#/ js99er], [], [http://aminet.net/package/misc/emu/TI4Amiga TI4Amiga], [http://aminet.net/package/misc/emu/TI4Amiga_src TI4Amiga src in c], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=emulation/computer], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation HP 38G 40GS 48 49G/50G Graphing Calculators |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Emulation TI 58 83 84 85 86 - 89 92 Graphing Calculators |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu--> |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |} {| class="wikitable sortable" |- !width:10%;|Games [https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/ General] !width:10%;|AROS(x86) !width:10%;|AmigaOS3(68k) !width:10%;|AmigaOS4(PPC) !width:10%;|MorphOS(PPC) |- style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" | Games [https://www.trackawesomelist.com/michelpereira/awesome-open-source-games/ Open Source and others] || AROS || Amiga OS || Amiga OS4 || Morphos |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Action like [https://github.com/BSzili/OpenLara/tree/amiga/src source of openlara SDL2], [https://github.com/opentomb/OpenTomb opentomb], [https://github.com/LostArtefacts/TRX TRX formerly Tomb1Main], [https://github.com/TombEngine TombEngine], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/action Thrust], [https://github.com/fragglet/sdl-sopwith sdl sopwith], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/action], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/action BOH], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Adventure like [http://dotg.sourceforge.net/ DMJ], [https://github.com/kromenak/gengine Gabriel Knight 3], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/adventure], [https://archives.arosworld.org/?function=browse&cat=emulation/misc ScummVM], [http://www.toolness.com/wp/category/interactive-fiction/ Infocom], [http://www.accardi-by-the-sea.org/ Zork Online]. [http://www.sarien.net/ Sierra Sarien], [http://www.ucw.cz/draci-historie/index-en.html Dragon History for ScummVM], [] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Board like [https://github.com/aperture-software/colditz-escape escape from colditz], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/board], [http://amigan.1emu.net/releases Africa] |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Cards like |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/card ], [], |<!--AmigaOS-->[http://home.arcor.de/amigasolitaire/e/welcome.html Reko], [https://github.com/samskivert/beschei-en beschei Src], |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Misc [https://github.com/michelpereira/awesome-open-source-games Awesome open], [https://github.com/bobeff/open-source-games General Open Source], [https://github.com/SAT-R/sa2 Sonic Advance 2], [https://github.com/velorek1/cwordle Wordle type], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/misc], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games FPS like [https://aminet.net/package/game/shoot/D1X_Rebirth_AGA Descent D1X src], [https://github.com/DescentDevelopers/Descent3 Descent 3], [https://github.com/Fewnity/Counter-Strike-Nintendo-DS Counter-Strike-Nintendo-DS], [https://github.com/Aleph-One-Marathon/alephone Bungie Marathon 1994], [https://bszili.morphos.me/ gzdoom skulltag], |<!--AROS-->Doom, Quake, [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Quake 3 Arena (OpenGL)], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Cube (OpenGL)], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Assault Cube (OpenGL)], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Cube 2 Sauerbraten (OpenGL)], [http://fodquake.net/test/ FodQuake QuakeWorld], [ Duke Nukem 3D], [ Darkplaces Nexuiz Xonotic], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Doom 3 SDL (OpenGL)], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/fps Hexenworld and Hexen 2], [ Aliens vs Predator Gold 2000 (openGL)], [ Odamex (openGL doom)], |<!--Amiga OS-->Doom, Quake, AB3D, Fears, Breathless, |<!--AmigaOS4-->Doom, Quake, |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=12 Doom], Quake, Quake 3 Arena, [https://github.com/OpenXRay/xray-16 S.T.A.L.K.E.R Xray] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games MMORG like |<!--AROS-->[ Eternal Lands (OpenGL)], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Platform like |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/platform], [ Maze of Galious], [ Gish]*(openGL), [ Mega Mario], [http://www.gianas-return.de/ Giana's Return], [http://www.sqrxz.de/ Sqrxz], [.html Aquaria]*(openGL), [http://www.sqrxz2.de/ Sqrxz 2], [http://www.sqrxz.de/sqrxz-3/ Sqrxz 3], [http://www.sqrxz.de/sqrxz-4/ Sqrxz 4], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/platform Cave Story], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Puzzle [https://github.com/mariopartyrd/marioparty4/tree/port Party], [], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/puzzle], [ Cubosphere (OpenGL)], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/puzzle Candy Crisis], [http://bszili.morphos.me/ TailTale], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Racing [ Trigger Rally], [ VDrift], [http://www.ultimatestunts.nl/index.php?page=2&lang=en Ultimate Stunts], [http://maniadrive.raydium.org/ Mania Drive], [https://github.com/plowteam/donut Simpsons Hit and Run], [], |<!--AROS-->[ Super Tux Kart (OpenGL)], [http://www.dusabledanslherbe.eu/AROSPage/F1Spirit.30.html F1 Spirit (OpenGL)], [http://bszili.morphos.me/index.html MultiRacer], |<!--AmigaOS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://bszili.morphos.me/index.html Speed Dreams], |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=12], [http://bszili.morphos.me/index.html TORCS], |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games 1st first person DRPG [https://wiki.rpg.net/index.php/Open_Game_Systems Misc], [https://github.com/OpenEnroth/OpenEnroth OpenEnroth MM], [] |<!--AROS-->[https://github.com/BSzili/aros-stuff Arx Libertatis], [http://www.playfuljs.com/a-first-person-engine-in-265-lines/ js raycaster], [https://github.com/Dorthu/es6-crpg webgl], [https://github.com/sonountaleban/AmiShockolate System Shock], [], [], |<!--AmigaOS-->Phantasie, Faery Tale, Dungeon Master, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games 3rd third person action CRPG [https://sourceforge.net/projects/sumwars/ Summoning Wars], [https://www.solarus-games.org/ Solarus], [https://wiki.rpg.net/index.php/Open_Game_Systems Misc], [https://github.com/alexbatalov/fallout1-ce fallout ce], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games isometric RPG [https://sourceforge.net/projects/sumwars/ Summoning Wars], [https://www.solarus-games.org/ Solarus], [https://wiki.rpg.net/index.php/Open_Game_Systems Misc], [https://github.com/topics/dungeon?l=javascript Dungeon], [], [https://github.com/clintbellanger/heroine-dusk JS Dusk], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/roleplaying nethack], [https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/roleplaying GemRB], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games card based RPG [https://github.com/open-duelyst/duelyst Duelyst], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Rhythm, Beat, Step [], [], [https://clonehero.net/ clonehero], [https://github.com/MatteoGodzilla/Dj-Engine Dj-Engine], |<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/misc Frets on Fire], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Shoot Em Ups [http://www.mhgames.org/oldies/formido/ Formido], [http://code.google.com/p/violetland/ Violetland], ||<!--AROS-->[https://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/action Open Tyrian], [http://www.parallelrealities.co.uk/projects/starfighter.php Starfighter], [ Alien Blaster], [https://github.com/OpenFodder/openfodder OpenFodder], |<!--AmigaOS--> |<!--AmigaOS4-->[http://www.parallelrealities.co.uk/projects/starfighter.php Starfighter], |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Simulations [http://scp.indiegames.us/ Freespace 2], [http://www.heptargon.de/gl-117/gl-117.html GL117], [http://code.google.com/p/corsix-th/ Theme Hospital], [http://code.google.com/p/freerct/ Rollercoaster Tycoon], [http://hedgewars.org/ Hedgewars], [https://github.com/raceintospace/raceintospace raceintospace], [https://github.com/Return-To-The-Roots RTTR Settlers 2], [https://github.com/OoliteProject/oolite oolite elite], [https://github.com/fesh0r/newkind newkind elite], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS-->SimCity, SimAnt, Sim Hospital, Theme Park, |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=12] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Life Sim [https://github.com/ACreTeam/forest Animal Crossing], [ ], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Strategy [http://rtsgus.org/ RTSgus], [http://wargus.sourceforge.net/ Wargus], [http://stargus.sourceforge.net/ Stargus], [https://github.com/KD-lab-Open-Source/Perimeter Perimeter], [https://matty77.itch.io/conflict-3049 conflict-3049], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/strategy MegaGlest (OpenGL)], [http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=game/strategy UFO:AI (OpenGL)], [http://play.freeciv.org/ FreeCiv], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS-->[http://morphos.lukysoft.cz/en/vypis.php?kat=12] |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Horror [https://github.com/Mikompilation/MikuPan Fatal Frame], [ ], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Sandbox Voxel Open World Exploration [https://github.com/UnknownShadow200/ClassiCube Classicube],[http://www.michaelfogleman.com/craft/ Craft], [https://github.com/tothpaul/DelphiCraft DelphiCraft],[https://www.minetest.net/ Luanti formerly Minetest], [ infiniminer], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Battle Royale [https://bruh.io/ Play.Bruh.io], [https://www.coolmathgames.com/0-copter Copter Royale], [https://surviv.io/ Surviv.io], [https://nuggetroyale.io/#Ketchup Nugget Royale], [https://miniroyale2.io/ Miniroyale2.io], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Tower Defense [https://chriscourses.github.io/tower-defense/ HTML5], [https://github.com/SBardak/Tower-Defense-Game TD C++], [https://github.com/bdoms/love_defense LUA and LOVE], [https://github.com/HyOsori/Osori-WebGame HTML5], [https://github.com/PascalCorpsman/ConfigTD ConfigTD Pascal], [https://github.com/GloriousEggroll/wine-ge-custom Wine], [] |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Visual Novel Engines [https://github.com/Kirilllive/tuesday-js Tuesday JS], [ Lua + LOVE], [https://github.com/weetabix-su/renpsp-dev RenPSP], [https://github.com/Galladite27/ONScripter-EN ONScripter-EN], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Virtual Reality VR [https://gitlab.com/madsbuvi/openmw openmw vr], [https://github.com/Team-Beef-Studios/BeefRaiderXR BeefRaiderXR], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Virtual Table Top VTT [ Roll20], [https://www.owlbear.rodeo/ owlbear rodeo], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Computer assisted TableTop TTRPG OSR [https://www.rpgsolo.com/play.php RPGSolo], [https://github.com/fpsvogel/solo-ttrpgs Solo TTRPG], [], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games 2D 3D Engines [https://github.com/fegennari/3DWorld 3DWorld], [https://github.com/GarageGames/Torque3D Torque3D], [https://github.com/gameplay3d/GamePlay GamePlay 3D], [https://www.babylonjs.com/ BabylonJS ], [ Godot], [ Ogre], [ Crystal Space], [], [], [], |<!--AROS-->[https://www.arkhamdev.net/wiki.htm?id=agx Arkham Development antiryadgx 8.9 lts with register], [], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games C based game frameworks [https://github.com/orangeduck/Corange Corange], [https://github.com/scottcgi/Mojoc Mojoc], [https://orx-project.org/ Orx], [https://github.com/ioquake/ioq3 Quake 3], [https://www.mapeditor.org/ Tiled], [https://www.raylib.com/ 2d Raylib], [https://github.com/Rabios/awesome-raylib other raylib], [https://github.com/MrFrenik/gunslinger Gunslinger], [https://o3de.org/ o3d], [http://archives.aros-exec.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=development/library GLFW], [], |<!--AROS-->[http://archives.arosworld.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=development/library Raylib 5], |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |- |<!--Sub Menu-->Games Virtual Pinball [https://github.com/vpinball/vpinball vpinball], [], |<!--AROS--> |<!--Amiga OS--> |<!--AmigaOS4--> |<!--MorphOS--> |} ==Application Guides== [[#top|...to the top]] ===Web Browser=== OWB is now at version 2.0 (which got an engine refresh, from July 2015 to February 2019) and 3.0. This latest version has a good support for many/most web sites, even YouTube web page now works. This improved compatibility comes at the expense of higher RAM usage (now 1GB RAM is the absolute minimum). Also, keep in mind that the lack of a JIT (Just-In-Time) JS compiler on the 32 bit version, makes the web surfing a bit slow. Only the 64 bit version of OWB 2.0 will have JIT enabled, thus benefitting of more speed. There are tooltypes that can be added to the icon to provide further features JIT, MSE etc Certificates from [https://curl.se/docs/caextract.html ca certs], DNS tracking blocking with [https://easylist.to/easylist/easylist.txt easylist.txt] in PROGDIR:Conf before starting browser with enabled AdBlock [https://github.com/easylist/easylist/tree/master easylist], [https://gitlab.com/eyeo anti abp], [https://firebog.net/ big blocklist], [https://github.com/StevenBlack/hosts Steves], [], [], This can be enabled with OWB Odyssey with Windows -> Content Blocking and Windows -> Messages and enter https://www.youtube.com/api/stats/ads* https://www.youtube.com/pagead/adview* https://www.youtube.com#@##player-ads* into your custom filters Element blocker browser extension might be needed for [https://github.com/easylist/easylist/wiki/Youtube-Issues youtube], [ mid roll], [ pre roll], [ ], OWB speed is much better when running from RAM Disk, the best way is to add the below into your S:User-Startup which copies OWB drawer from Extras:Internet/OWB to RAM Disk: So add this : <pre> copy Extras:Internet/OWB Ram:OWB/ ALL CLONE >NIL: copy Extras:Internet/OWB.info Ram: >NIL: </pre> Open RAM Disk and open OWB drawer and double click on OWB icon so that the above icon tooltypes are activated Problems are that the copy time is long (around 20 seconds added in the background), but we can make it faster if we delete useless files from the OWB drawer (docs, …) If you don’t copy the drawer back onto the HD, you won’t save your cache, cookies, passwords… So you need a script for it. Error messages SSL error "cant verify with ca-certificates", check bios clock time date is correct Error 6, try checking networking prefs settings and Save / Use preferences again or a '''few times''' otherwise the network chipset may not be compatible with Aros [https://www.google.com/search?q=%s&udm=14 Google search without AI overview] ===E-mail=== YAM does not support SSL and most mail providers now switched to encrypted SMTP/POP3 connections ====SimpleMail==== SimpleMail supports IMAP and appears to work with GMail, but it's never been reliable enough, it can crash with large mailboxes. Please read more on this [http://www.freelists.org/list/simplemail-usr User list] GMail Be sure to activate the pop3 usage in your gmail account setup / configuration first. pop3: pop.gmail.com Use SSL: Yes Port: 995 smtp: smtp.gmail.com (with authentication) Use Authentication: Yes Use SSL: Yes Port: 465 or 587 Hotmail/MSN/outlook/Microsoft Mail mid-2017, all outlook.com accounts will be migrated to Office 365 / Exchange Most users are currently on POP which does not allow showing folders and many other features (technical limitations of POP3). With Microsoft IMAP you will get folders, sync read/unread, and show flags. You still won't get push though, as Microsoft has not turned on the IMAP Idle command as at Sept 2013. If you want to try it, you need to first remove (you can't edit) your pop account (long-press the account on the accounts screen, delete account). Then set it up this way: 1. Email/Password 2. Manual 3. IMAP 4. * Incoming: imap-mail.outlook.com, port 993, SSL/TLS should be checked * Outgoing: smtp-mail.outlook.com, port 587, SSL/TLS should be checked * POP server name pop-mail.outlook.com, port 995, POP encryption method SSL Yahoo Mail On April 24, 2002 Yahoo ceased to offer POP access to its free mail service. Introducing instead a yearly payment feature, allowing users POP3 and IMAP server support, along with such benefits as larger file attachment sizes and no adverts. Sorry to see Yahoo leaving its users to cough up for the privilege of accessing their mail. Understandable, when competing against rivals such as Gmail and Hotmail who hold a large majority of users and were hacked in 2014 as well. Incoming Mail (IMAP) Server * Server - imap.mail.yahoo.com * Port - 993 * Requires SSL - Yes Outgoing Mail (SMTP) Server * Server - smtp.mail.yahoo.com * Port - 465 or 587 * Requires SSL - Yes * Requires authentication - Yes Your login info * Email address - Your full email address (name@domain.com) * Password - Your account's password * Requires authentication - Yes Note that you need to enable “Web & POP Access” in your Yahoo Mail account to send and receive Yahoo Mail messages through any other email program. You will have to enable “Allow your Yahoo Mail to be POPed” under “POP and Forwarding”, to send and receive Yahoo mails through any other email client. Cannot be done since 2002 unless the customer pays Yahoo a subscription subs fee to have access to SMTP and POP3 * Set the POP server for incoming mails as pop.mail.yahoo.com. You will have to enable “SSL” and use 995 for Port. * “Account Name or Login Name” – Your Yahoo Mail ID i.e. your email address without the domain “@yahoo.com”. * “Email Address” – Your Yahoo Mail address i.e. your email address including the domain “@yahoo.com”. E.g. myname@yahoo.com * “Password” – Your Yahoo Mail password. Yahoo! Mail Plus users may have to set POP server as plus.pop.mail.yahoo.com and SMTP server as plus.smtp.mail.yahoo.com. * Set the SMTP server for outgoing mails as smtp.mail.yahoo.com. You will also have to make sure that “SSL” is enabled and use 465 for port. you must also enable “authentication” for this to work. ====YAM Yet Another Mailer==== YAM does not support SSL and most mail providers have now switched to encrypted SMTP/POP3 connections This email client is POP3 only if the SSL library is available [http://www.freelists.org/list/yam YAM Freelists] One of the downsides of using a POP3 mailer unfortunately - you have to set an option not to delete the mail if you want it left on the server. IMAP keeps all the emails on the server. Possible issues Sending mail issues is probably a matter of using your ISP's SMTP server, though it could also be an SSL issue. getting a "Couldn't initialise TLSv1 / SSL error Use of on-line e-mail accounts with this email client is not possible as it lacks the OpenSSL AmiSSl v3 compatible library GMail Incoming Mail (POP3) Server - requires SSL: pop.gmail.com Use SSL: Yes Port: 995 Outgoing Mail (SMTP) Server - requires TLS: smtp.gmail.com (use authentication) Use Authentication: Yes Use STARTTLS: Yes (some clients call this SSL) Port: 465 or 587 Account Name: your Gmail username (including '@gmail.com') Email Address: your full Gmail email address (username@gmail.com) Password: your Gmail password Anyway, the SMTP is pop.gmail.com port 465 and it uses SSLLv3 Authentication. The POP3 settings are for the same server (pop.gmail.com), only on port 995 instead. Outlook.com access <pre > Outlook.com SMTP server address: smtp.live.com Outlook.com SMTP user name: Your full Outlook.com email address (not an alias) Outlook.com SMTP password: Your Outlook.com password Outlook.com SMTP port: 587 Outlook.com SMTP TLS/SSL encryption required: yes </pre > Yahoo Mail <pre > “POP3 Server” – Set the POP server for incoming mails as pop.mail.yahoo.com. You will have to enable “SSL” and use 995 for Port. “SMTP Server” – Set the SMTP server for outgoing mails as smtp.mail.yahoo.com. You will also have to make sure that “SSL” is enabled and use 465 for port. you must also enable “authentication” for this to work. “Account Name or Login Name” – Your Yahoo Mail ID i.e. your email address without the domain “@yahoo.com”. “Email Address” – Your Yahoo Mail address i.e. your email address including the domain “@yahoo.com”. E.g. myname@yahoo.com “Password” – Your Yahoo Mail password. </pre > Yahoo! Mail Plus users may have to set POP server as plus.pop.mail.yahoo.com and SMTP server as plus.smtp.mail.yahoo.com. Note that you need to enable “Web & POP Access” in your Yahoo Mail account to send and receive Yahoo Mail messages through any other email program. You will have to enable “Allow your Yahoo Mail to be POPed” under “POP and Forwarding”, to send and receive Yahoo mails through any other email client. Cannot be done since 2002 unless the customer pays Yahoo a monthly fee to have access to SMTP and POP3 Microsoft Outlook Express Mail 1. Get the files to your PC. By whatever method get the files off your Amiga onto your PC. In the YAM folder you have a number of different folders, one for each of your folders in YAM. Inside that is a file usually some numbers such as 332423.283. YAM created a new file for every single email you received. 2. Open up a brand new Outlook Express. Just configure the account to use 127.0.0.1 as mail servers. It doesn't really matter. You will need to manually create any subfolders you used in YAM. 3. You will need to do a mass rename on all your email files from YAM. Just add a .eml to the end of it. Amazing how PCs still rely mostly on the file name so it knows what sort of file it is rather than just looking at it! There are a number of multiple renamers online to download and free too. 4. Go into each of your folders, inbox, sent items etc. And do a select all then drag the files into Outlook Express (to the relevant folder obviously) Amazingly the file format that YAM used is very compatible with .eml standard and viola your emails appear. With correct dates and working attachments. 5. If you want your email into Microsoft Outlook. Open that up and create a new profile and a new blank PST file. Then go into File Import and choose to import from Outlook Express. And the mail will go into there. And viola.. you have your old email from your Amiga in a more modern day format. ===FTP=== Magellan has a great FTP module. It allows transferring files from/to a FTP server over the Internet or the local network and, even if FTP is perceived as a "thing of the past", its usability is all inside the client. The FTP thing has a nice side effect too, since every Icaros machine can be a FTP server as well, and our files can be easily transferred from an Icaros machine to another with a little configuration effort. First of all, we need to know the 'server' IP address. Server is the Icaros machine with the file we are about to download on another Icaros machine, that we're going to call 'client'. To do that, move on the server machine and 1) run Prefs/Services to be sure "FTP file transfer" is enabled (if not, enable it and restart Icaros); 2) run a shell and enter this command: ifconfig -a Make a note of the IP address for the network interface used by the local area network. For cabled devices, it usually is net0:. Now go on the client machine and run Magellan: Perform these actions: 1) click on FTP; 2) click on ADDRESS BOOK; 3) click on "New". You can now add a new entry for your Icaros server machine: 1) Choose a name for your server, in order to spot it immediately in the address book. Enter the IP address you got before. 2) click on Custom Options: 1) go to Miscellaneous in the left menu; 2) Ensure "Passive Transfers" is NOT selected; 3) click on Use. We need to deactivate Passive Transfers because YAFS, the FTP server included in Icaros, only allows active transfers at the current stage. Now, we can finally connect to our new file source: 1) Look into the address book for the newly introduced server, be sure that name and IP address are right, and 2) click on Connect. A new lister with server's "MyWorkspace" contents will appear. You can now transfer files over the network choosing a destination among your local (client's) volumes. Can be adapted to any FTP client on any platform of your choice, just be sure your client allows Active Transfers as well. ===IRC Internet Relay Chat=== Jabberwocky is ideal for one-to-one social media communication, use IRC if you require one to many. Just type a message in ''lowercase''' letters and it will be posted to all in the [ AROS irc channel]. Please do not use UPPER CASE as it is a sign of SHOUTING which is annoying. Other things to type in - replace <message> with a line of text and <nick> with a person's name <pre> /help /list /who /whois <nick> /msg <nick> <message> /query <nick> <message>s /query /away <message> /away /quit <going away message> </pre> [http://irchelp.org/irchelp/new2irc.html#smiley Intro guide here]. IRC Primer can be found here in [http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/ircprimer.html html], [http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/text/ircprimer.txt TXT], [http://www.kei.com/irc/IRCprimer1.1.ps PostScript]. Issue the command /me <text> where <text> is the text that should follow your nickname. Example: /me slaps ajk around a bit with a large trout /nick <newNick> /nickserv register <password> <email address> /ns instead of /nickserv, while others might need /msg nickserv /nickserv identify <password> Alternatives: /ns identify <password> /msg nickserv identify <password> ==== IRC WookieChat ==== WookieChat is the most complete internet client for communication across the IRC Network. WookieChat allows you to swap ideas and communicate in real-time, you can also exchange Files, Documents, Images and everything else using the application's DCC capabilities. add smilies drawer/directory run wookiechat from the shell and set stack to 1000000 e.g. wookiechat stack 1000000 select a server / server window * nickname * user name * real name - optional Once you configure the client with your preferred screen name, you'll want to find a channel to talk in. servers * New Server - click on this to add / add extra - change details in section below this click box * New Group * Delete Entry * Connect to server * connect in new tab * perform on connect Change details * Servername - change text in this box to one of the below Server: * Port number - no need to change * Server password * Channel - add #channel from below * auto join - can click this * nick registration password, Click Connect to server button above <pre> Server: irc.freenode.net Channel: #aros </pre> irc://irc.freenode.net/aros <pre> Server: chat.amigaworld.net Channel: #amigaworld or #amigans </pre> <pre> On Sunday evenings USA time usually starting around 3PM EDT (1900 UTC) Server:irc.superhosts.net Channel #team*amiga </pre> <pre> BitlBee and Minbif are IRCd-like gateways to multiple IM networks Server: im.bitlbee.org Port 6667 Seems to be most useful on WookieChat as you can be connected to several servers at once. One for Bitlbee and any messages that might come through that. One for your normal IRC chat server. </pre> [http://www.bitlbee.org/main.php/servers.html Other servers], <pre> #Amiga.org - irc.synirc.net eu.synirc.net dissonance.nl.eu.synirc.net (IPv6: 2002:5511:1356:0:216:17ff:fe84:68a) twilight.de.eu.synirc.net zero.dk.eu.synirc.net us.synirc.net avarice.az.us.synirc.net envy.il.us.synirc.net harpy.mi.us.synirc.net liberty.nj.us.synirc.net snowball.mo.us.synirc.net - Ports 6660-6669 7001 (SSL) </pre> <pre> Multiple server support "Perform on connect" scripts and channel auto-joins Automatic Nickserv login Tabs for channels and private conversations CTCP PING, TIME, VERSION, SOUND Incoming and Outgoing DCC SEND file transfers Colours for different events Logging and automatic reloading of logs mIRC colour code filters Configurable timestamps GUI for changing channel modes easily Configurable highlight keywords URL Grabber window Optional outgoing swear word filter Event sounds for tabs opening, highlighted words, and private messages DCC CHAT support Doubleclickable URL's Support for multiple languages using LOCALE Clone detection Auto reconnection to Servers upon disconnection Command aliases Chat display can be toggled between AmIRC and mIRC style Counter for Unread messages Graphical nicklist and graphical smileys with a popup chooser </pre> ====IRC Aircos ==== Double click on Aircos icon in Extras:Networking/Apps/Aircos. It has been set up with a guest account for trial purposes. Though ideally, choose a nickname and password for frequent use of irc. ====IRC and XMPP Jabberwocky==== Servers are setup and close down at random You sign up to a server that someone else has setup and access chat services through them. The two ways to access chat from jabberwocky <pre > Jabberwocky -> Server -> XMPP -> open and ad-free Jabberwocky -> Server -> Transports (Gateways) -> Proprietary closed systems </pre > The Jabber.org service connects with all IM services that use XMPP, the open standard for instant messaging and presence over the Internet. The services we connect with include Google Talk (closed), Live Journal Talk, Nimbuzz, Ovi, and thousands more. However, you can not connect from Jabber.org to proprietary services like AIM, ICQ, MSN, Skype, or Yahoo because they don’t yet use XMPP components (XEP-0114) '''but''' you can use Jabber.com's servers and IM gateways (MSN, ICQ, Yahoo etc.) instead. The best way to use jabberwocky is in conjunction with a public jabber server with '''transports''' to your favorite services, like gtalk, Facebook, yahoo, ICQ, AIM, etc. You have to register with one of the servers, [https://list.jabber.at/ this list] or [http://www.jabberes.org/servers/ another list], [http://xmpp.net/ this security XMPP list], Unfortunately jabberwocky can only connect to one server at a time so it is best to check what services each server offers. If you set it up with separate Facebook and google talk accounts, for example, sometimes you'll only get one or the other. Jabberwocky open a window where the Jabber server part is typed in as well as your Nickname and Password. Jabber ID (JID) identifies you to the server and other users. Once registered the next step is to goto Jabberwocky's "Windows" menu and select the "Agents" option. The "Agents List" window will open. Roster (contacts list) [http://search.wensley.org.uk/ Chatrooms] (MUC) are available File Transfer - can send and receive files through the Jabber service but not with other services like IRC, ICQ, AIM or Yahoo. All you need is an installed webbrowser and OpenURL. Clickable URLs - The message window uses Mailtext.mcc and you can set a URL action in the MUI mailtext prefs like SYS:Utils/OpenURL %s NEWWIN. There is no consistent Skype like (H.323 VoIP) video conferencing available over Jabber. The move from xmpp to Jingle should help but no support on any amiga-like systems at the moment. [http://aminet.net/package/dev/src/AmiPhoneSrc192 AmiPhone] and [http://www.lysator.liu.se/%28frame,faq,nobg,useframes%29/ahi/v4-site/ Speak Freely] was an early attempt voice only contact. SIP and Asterisk are other PBX options. Facebook If you're using the XMPP transport provided by Facebook themselves, chat.facebook.com, it looks like they're now requiring SSL transport. This means jabberwocky method below will no longer work. The best thing to do is to create an ID on a public jabber server which has a Facebook gateway. <pre > 1. launch jabberwocky 2. if the login window doesn't appear on launch, select 'account' from the jabberwocky menu 3. your jabber ID will be user@chat.facebook.com where user is your user ID 4. your password is your normal facebook password 5. to save this for next time, click the popup gadget next to the ID field 6. click the 'add' button 7. click the 'close' button 8. click the 'connect' button </pre > you're done. you can also click the 'save as default account' button if you want. jabberwocky configured to auto-connect when launching the program, but you can configure as you like. there is amigaguide documentation included with jabberwocky. [http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=37085&forum=32 Read more here] for Facebook users, you can log-in directly to Facebook with jabberwocky. just sign in as @chat.facebook.com with your Facebook password as the password Twitter For a few years, there has been added a twitter transport. Servers include [http://jabber.hot-chilli.net/ jabber.hot-chili.net], and . An [http://jabber.hot-chilli.net/tag/how-tos/ How-to] :Read [http://jabber.hot-chilli.net/2010/05/09/twitter-transport-working/ more] Instagram no support at the moment best to use a web browser based client ICQ The new version (beta) of StriCQ uses a newer ICQ protocol. Most of the ICQ Jabber Transports still use an older ICQ protocol. You can only talk one-way to StriCQ using the older Transports. Only the newer ICQv7 Transport lets you talk both ways to StriCQ. Look at the server lists in the first section to check. Register on a Jabber server, e.g. this one works: http://www.jabber.de/ Then login into Jabberwocky with the following login data e.g. xxx@jabber.de / Password: xxx Now add your ICQ account under the window->Agents->"Register". Now Jabberwocky connects via the Jabber.de server with your ICQ account. Yahoo Messenger although yahoo! does not use xmpp protocol, you should be able to use the transport methods to gain access and post your replies MSN early months of 2013 Microsoft will ditch MSN Messenger client and force everyone to use Skype...but MSN protocol and servers will keep working as usual for quite a long time.... Occasionally the Messenger servers have been experiencing problems signing in. You may need to sign in at www.outlook.com and then try again. It may also take multiple tries to sign in. (This also affects you if you’re using Skype.) You have to check each servers' Agents List to see what transports (MSN protocol, ICQ protocol, etc.) are supported or use the list address' provided in the section above. Then register with each transport (IRC, MSN, ICQ, etc.) to which you need access. After registering you can Connect to start chatting. msn.jabber.com/registered should appear in the window. From this [http://tech.dir.groups.yahoo.com/group/amiga-jabberwocky/message/1378 JW group] guide which helps with this process in a clear, step by step procedure. 1. Sign up on MSN's site for a passport account. This typically involves getting a Hotmail address. 2. Log on to the Jabber server of your choice and do the following: * Select the "Windows/Agents" menu option in Jabberwocky. * Select the MSN Agent from the list presented by the server. * Click the Register button to open a new window asking for: **Username = passort account email address, typically your hotmail address. **Nick = Screen name to be shown to anyone you add to your buddy list. **Password = Password for your passport account/hotmail address. * Click the Register button at the bottom of the new window. 3. If all goes well, you will see the MSN Gateway added to your buddy list. If not, repeat part 2 on another server. Some servers may show MSN in their list of available agents, but have not updated their software for the latest protocols used by MSN. 4. Once you are registered, you can now add people to your buddy list. Note that you need to include the '''msn.''' ahead of the servername so that it knows what gateway agent to use. Some servers may use a slight variation and require '''msg.gate.''' before the server name, so try both to see what works. If my friend's msn was amiga@hotmail.co.uk and my jabber server was @jabber.meta.net.nz.. then amiga'''%'''hotmail.com@'''msn.'''jabber.meta.net.nz or another the trick to import MSN contacts is that you don't type the hotmail URL but the passport URL... e.g. Instead of: goodvibe%hotmail.com@msn.jabber.com You type: goodvibe%passport.com@msn.jabber.com And the thing about importing contacts I'm afraid you'll have to do it by hand, one at the time... Google Talk any XMPP server will work, but you have to add your contacts manually. a google talk user is typically either @gmail.com or @talk.google.com. a true gtalk transport is nice because it brings your contacts to you and (can) also support file transfers to/from google talk users. implement Jingle a set of extensions to the IETF's Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (XMPP) support ended early 2014 as Google moved to Google+ Hangouts which uses it own proprietary format ===Video Player MPlayer=== Many of the menu features (such as doubling) do not work with the current version of mplayer but using 4:3 mplayer -vf scale=800:600 file.avi 16:9 mplayer -vf scale=854:480 file.avi if you want gui use; mplayer -gui 1 <other params> file.avi <pre > stack 1000000 ; using AspireOS 1.xx ; copy FROM SYS:Extras/Multimedia/MPlayer/ TO RAM:MPlayer ALL CLONE > Nil: ; using Icaros Desktop 1.x ; copy FROM SYS:Tools/MPlayer/ TO RAM:MPlayer ALL CLONE > Nil: ; using Icaros Desktop 2.x ; copy FROM SYS:Utilities/MPlayer/ TO RAM:MPlayer ALL CLONE > Nil: cd RAM:MPlayer run MPlayer -gui > Nil: ;run MPlayer -gui -ao ahi_dev -playlist http://www.radio-paralax.de/listen.pls > Nil: </pre > $ mplayer rtsp://127.0.0.1:554/sample_300kbit.mp4 MPlayer supports multicast streaming, and rtp/rtsp protocols (it might require [http://www.live555.com/openRTSP/ live555 library] to work with some streams). But you might have to build it where it's disabled. Also, multicast won't work with some AmiTCP-likes. MIAMI supported it, though. AROS supports IPv4 (old but works) and this includes the needed address space for RTP. If you mean multicast via RTP - mplayer handles it. You can even force UDP over TCP -rtsp-stream-over-tcp If the rtsp Real Time Streaming Protocol server needs authentification: -user -passwd MPlayer - Menu - Open Playlist and load already downloaded .pls or .m3u file - auto starts around 4 percent cache MPlayer - Menu - Open Stream and copy one of the .pls lines below into space allowed, press OK and press play button on main gui interface Old 8bit 16bit remixes chip tune game music http://www.radio-paralax.de/listen.pls http://scenesat.com/ http://www.shoutcast.com/radio/Amiga http://www.theoldcomputer.com/retro_radio/RetroRadio_Main.htm http://www.kohina.com/ http://www.remix64.com/ http://retrogamer.net/forum/ http://retroasylum.podomatic.com/rss2.xml http://retrogamesquad.com/ http://www.retronauts.com/ http://monsterfeet.com/noquarter/ http://www.retrogamingradio.com/ http://www.radiofeeds.co.uk/mp3.asp [[#top|...to the top]] ====ZunePaint==== simplified typical workflow * importing and organizing and photo management * making global and regional local correction(s) - recalculation is necessary after each adjustment as it is not in real-time * exporting your images in the best format available with the preservation of metadata Whilst achieving 80% of a great photo with just a filter, the remaining 20% comes from a manual fine-tuning of specific image attributes. For photojournalism, documentary, and event coverage, minimal touching is recommended. Stick to Camera Raw for such shots, and limit changes to level adjustment, sharpness, noise reduction, and white balance correction. For fashion or portrait shoots, a large amount of adjustment is allowed and usually ends up far from the original. Skin smoothing, blemish removal, eye touch-ups, etc. are common. Might alter the background a bit to emphasize the subject. Product photography usually requires a lot of sharpening, spot removal, and focus stacking. For landscape shots, best results are achieved by doing the maximum amount of preparation before/while taking the shot. No amount of processing can match timing, proper lighting, correct gear, optimal settings, etc. Excessive post-processing might give you a dramatic shot but best avoided in the long term. * White Balance - Left Amiga or F12 and K and under "Misc color effects" tab with a pull down for White Balance - color temperature also known as AKA tint (movies) or tones (painting) - warm temp raise red reduce green blue - cool raise blue lower red green * Exposure - exposure compensation, highlight/shadow recovery * Noise Reduction - during RAW development or using external software * Lens Corrections - distortion, vignetting, chromatic aberrations * Detail - capture sharpening and local contrast enhancement * Contrast - black point, levels (sliders) and curves tools (F12 and K) * Framing - straighten () and crop (F12 and F) * Refinements - color adjustments and selective enhancements - Left Amiga or F12 and K for RGB and YUV histogram tabs - * Resizing - enlarge for a print or downsize for the web or email (F12 and D) * Output Sharpening - customized for your subject matter and print/screen size White Balance - F12 and K scan your image for a shade which was meant to be white (neutral with each RGB value being equal) like paper or plastic which is in the same light as the subject of the picture. Use the dropper tool to select this color, similar colours will shift and you will have selected the perfect white balance for your part of the image - for the whole picture make sure RAZ or CLR button at the bottom is pressed before applying to the image above. Exposure correction F12 and K - YUV Y luminosity - RGB extra red tint - move red curve slightly down and move blue green curves slightly up Workflows in practice * Undo - Right AROS key or F12 and Z * Redo - Right AROS key or F12 and R First flatten your image (if necessary) and then do a rotation until the picture looks level. * Crop the picture. Click the selection button and drag a box over the area of the picture you want to keep. Press the crop button and the rest of the photo will be gone. * Adjust your saturation, exposure, hue levels, etc., (right AROS Key and K for color correction) until you are happy with the photo. Make sure you zoom in all of the way to 100% and look the photo over, zoom back out and move around. Look for obvious problems with the picture. * After coloring and exposure do a sharpen (Right AROS key and E for Convolution and select drop down option needed), e.g. set the matrix to 5x5 (roughly equivalent Amount to 60%) and set the Radius to 1.0. Click OK. And save your picture Implemented or would like to see for simplification and ease of use basic filters (presets) like black and white, monochrome, edge detection (sobel), motion/gaussian blur, * negative, sepiatone, retro vintage, night vision, colour tint, color gradient, color temperature, glows, fire, lightning, lens flare, emboss, filmic, pixelate mezzotint, antialias, etc. adjust / cosmetic tools such as crop, * reshaping tools, straighten, smear, smooth, perspective, liquify, bloat, pucker, push pixels in any direction, dispersion, transform like warp, blending with soft light, page-curl, whirl, ripple, fisheye, neon, etc. * red eye fixing, blemish remover, skin smoothing, teeth whitener, make eyes look brighter, desaturate, effects like oil paint, cartoon, pencil sketch, charcoal, noise/matrix like sharpen/unsharpen, (right AROS key with A for Artistic effects) * blend two image, gradient blend, masking blend, explode, implode, custom collage, surreal painting, comic book style, needlepoint, stained glass, watercolor, mosaic, stencil/outline, crayon, chalk, etc. borders such as * dropshadow, rounded, blurred, color tint, picture frame, film strip polaroid, bevelled edge, etc. brushes e.g. * frost, smoke, etc. and manual control of fix lens issues including vignetting (darkening), color fringing and barrel distortion, and chromatic and geometric aberration - lens and body profiles perspective correction levels - directly modify the levels of the tone-values of an image, by using sliders for highlights, midtones and shadows curves - Color Adjustment and Brightness/Contrast color balance one single color transparent (alpha channel (color information/selections) for masking and/or blending ) for backgrounds, etc. Threshold indicates how much other colors will be considered mixture of the removed color and non-removed colors decompose layer into a set of layers with each holding a different type of pattern that is visible within the image any selection using any selecting tools like lasso tool, marquee tool etc. the selection will temporarily be save to alpha If you create your image without transparency then the Alpha channel is not present, but you can add later. File formats like .psd (Photoshop file has layers, masks etc. contains edited sensor data. The original sensor data is no longer available) .xcf .raw .hdr Image Picture Formats * low dynamic range (JPEG, PNG, TIFF 8-bit), 16-bit (PPM, TIFF), typically as a 16-bit TIFF in either ProPhoto or AdobeRGB colorspace - TIFF files are also fairly universal – although, if they contain proprietary data, such as Photoshop Adjustment Layers or Smart Filters, then they can only be opened by Photoshop making them proprietary. * linear high dynamic range (HDR) images (PFM, [http://www.openexr.com/ ILM .EXR], jpg, [http://aminet.net/util/dtype cr2] (canon tiff based), hdr, NEF, CRW, ARW, MRW, ORF, RAF (Fuji), PEF, DCR, SRF, ERF, DNG files are RAW converted to an Adobe proprietary format - a container that can embed the raw file as well as the information needed to open it) An old version of [http://archives.aros-exec.org/index.php?function=browse&cat=graphics/convert dcraw] There is no single RAW file format. Each camera manufacturer has one or more unique RAW formats. RAW files contain the brightness levels data captured by the camera sensor. This data cannot be modified. A second smaller file, separate XML file, or within a database with instructions for the RAW processor to change exposure, saturation etc. The extra data can be changed but the original sensor data is still there. RAW is technically least compatible. A raw file is high-bit (usually 12 or 14 bits of information) but a camera-generated TIFF file will be usually converted by the camera (compressed, downsampled) to 8 bits. The raw file has no embedded color balance or color space, but the TIFF has both. These three things (smaller bit depth, embedded color balance, and embedded color space) make it so that the TIFF will lose quality more quickly with image adjustments than the raw file. The camera-generated TIFF image is much more like a camera processed JPEG than a raw file. A strong advantage goes to the raw file. The power of RAW files, such as the ability to set any color temperature non-destructively and will contain more tonal values. The principle of preserving the maximum amount of information to as late as possible in the process. The final conversion - which will always effectively represent a "downsampling" - should prevent as much loss as possible. Once you save it as TIFF, you throw away some of that data irretrievably. When saving in the lossy JPEG format, you get tremendous file size savings, but you've irreversibly thrown away a lot of image data. As long as you have the RAW file, original or otherwise, you have access to all of the image data as captured. Keyboard equivalence with Photoshop(tm) would help File PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP New Ctrl+n New Open Ctrl+o Open Close Ctrl+w Close Save Ctrl+s Save Save as Shift+Ctrl+s Save as Revert F12 Revert Print Ctrl+p Print Exit Ctrl+q Quit Edit PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Undo/Redo (1 level) Ctrl+z Undo (Redo is Shift+Ctrl+z) Cut Ctrl+x Cut Copy Ctrl+c Copy Paste Ctrl+v Paste Paste Into Shift+Ctrl+v Paste Into Fill with FG color Alt+Backspace Fill with FG color Fill with BG color Control+Backspace Fill with BG color Image/Colors PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Levels Ctrl+l Levels Auto Contrast Shift+Ctrl+Alt+l Stretch Contrast (same?) Curves Ctrl+m Curves Color Balance Ctrl+b Color Balance Hue/Saturation Ctrl+u Hue-Saturation Desaturate Shift+Ctrl+u Desaturate Invert Ctrl+i Invert Default Colors d Default Colors Switch Colors x Switch Colors Layer PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP New Layer Shift+Ctrl+n New Layer Layer via Copy Ctrl+j Duplicate Layer Bring (layer) to Front Shift+Ctrl+] Layer to Top Send (layer) to Back Shift+Ctrl+[ Layer to Bottom Bring (layer) Forward Ctrl+] Raise Layer Send (layer) Backward Ctrl+[ Lower Layer Select Top Layer Shift+Alt+] Select Top Layer Select Bottom Layer Shift+Alt+[ Select Bottom Layer Select One Layer Forward Alt+] Select Previous Layer Select One Layer Backward Alt+[ Select Next Layer Merge Down Ctrl+e Merge Down Merge Visible Shift+Ctrl+e Merge Visible Preserve Transparency / Keep Transparency Cycle Modes Forwards Shift+= Next Layer Mode Cycle Modes Backwards Shift+- Previous Layer Mode Select PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Select All Ctrl+a Select All Deselect Ctrl+d Select None Inverse Shift+Ctrl+i Invert Feather Ctrl+Alt+d Feather View PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Zoom In Ctrl+= Zoom In Zoom Out Ctrl+- Zoom Out Fit on Screen Ctrl+0 Zoom to Fit Window Actual Pixels Ctrl+Alt+0 Zoom 1:1 Show/Hide Extras Ctrl+h Toggle Show Selection (close enough?) Show/Hide Guides Ctrl+' Toggle Show Guides Show/Hide Grid Ctrl+Alt+' Toggle Show Grid Show/Hide Rulers Ctrl+r Toggle Show Rulers Snap Ctrl+; Snap to Guides Scroll View Up Page Up Scroll Page Up Scroll View Down Page Down Scroll Page Down Scroll View Left Ctrl+Page Up Scroll Page Left Scroll View Right Ctrl+Page Down Scroll Page Right Window/Dialogs PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP ? F5 Tools Dialog Color Tab F6 Colors Dialog Layers Tab F7 Layers Dialog Info Tab F8 Image Information Tools PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Rectangular Marquee Tool m Rect Select Tool Elliptical Marquee Tool Shift+m Ellipse Select Tool *This is a toggle between 'Elliptical Marquee Tool' and 'Rectangular Marquee Tool' in Photoshop Move Tool v Move Tool Lasso Tool l Free Select Tool Magic Wand Tool w Fuzzy Select Tool Crop Tool c Crop & Resize Tool Airbrush Tool j Airbrush Tool Paintbrush Tool b Paintbrush Tool Clone Stamp Tool s Clone Stamp Tool Eraser Tool e Eraser Tool Gradient Tool g Blend Tool Paint Bucket Tool Shift+g Bucket Fill Tool *This is a toggle between 'Paint Bucket Tool' and 'Gradient Tool' in Photoshop Blur Tool r Convolve Tool Dodge Tool o DodgeBurn Tool Type Tool t Text Tool Pen Tool p Bezier Select Tool Eye Dropper Tool i Color Picker Tool Zoom Tool z Magnify Tool Previous Brush , Previous Brush Next Brush . Next Brush First Brush Shift+< First Brush Last Brush Shift+> Last Brush Decrease Brush Size [ Decrease Brush Size Increase Brush Size ] Increase Brush Size Decrease Brush Hardness { Decrease Brush Hardness Increase Brush Hardness } Increase Brush Hardness Help PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Help F1 Help Context Help Shift+F1 Context Help Misc. PHOTOSHOP SHORTCUT GIMP Last Filter Ctrl+f Repeat Last Filter ? Shift+Ctrl+f Reshow Last Filter Preferences Ctrl+k Preferences Liquify Shift+Ctrl+x IWarp (close enough?) Toggle Quick Mask q Toggle Quick Mask Spotlights - triangle of white opaque shape Cutting out and/or replacing unwanted background or features - select large areas with the selection option like the Magic Wand tool (aka Color Range) or the Lasso (quick and fast) with feather 2 to soften edge or the pen tool which adds points/lines/Bézier curves (better control but slower), hold down the shift button as you click to add extra points/areas of the subject matter to remove. Increase the tolerance to cover more areas. To subtract from your selection hold down alt as you're clicking. * Layer masks are a better way of working than Erase they clip (black hides/hidden white visible/reveal). Clone Stamp can be simulated by and brushes for other areas. * Leave the fine details like hair, fur, etc. to later with lasso and the shift key to draw a line all the way around your subject. Gradient Mapping - Inverse - Mask. i.e. Refine your selected image with edge detection and using the radius and edge options / adjuster (increase/decrease contrast) so that you will capture more fine detail from the background allowing easier removal. Remove fringe/halo saving image as png rather than jpg/jpeg to keep transparency background intact. Implemented [http://colorizer.org/ colour model representations] [http://paulbourke.net/texture_colour/colourspace/ Mathematical approach] - Photo stills are spatially 2d (h and w), but are colorimetrically 3d (r g and b, or H L S, or Y U V etc.) as well. * RGB - split cubed mapped color model for photos and computer graphics hardware using the light spectrum (adding and subtracting) * YUV - Y-Lightness U-blue/yellow V-red/cyan (similar to YPbPr and YCbCr) used in the PAL, NTSC, and SECAM composite digital TV color [http://crewofone.com/2012/chroma-subsampling-and-transcoding/#comment-7299 video] Histograms White balanced (neutral) if the spike happens in the same place in each channel of the RGB graphs. If not, you're not balanced. If you have sky you'll see the blue channel further off to the right. RGB is best one to change colours. These elements RGB is a 3-channel format containing data for Red, Green, and Blue in your photo scale between 0 and 255. The area in a picture that appears to be brighter/whiter contains more red color as compared to the area which is relatively darker. Similarly in the green channel the area that appears to be darker contains less amount of green color as compared to the area that appears to be brighter. Similarly in the blue channel the area appears to be darker contains less amount of blue color as compared to the area that appears to be brighter. Brightness luminance histogram also matches the green histogram more than any other color - human eye interprets green better e.g. RGB rough ratio 15/55/30% RGBA (RGB+A, A means alpha channel) . The alpha channel is used for "alpha compositing", which can mostly be associated as "opacity". AROS deals in RGB with two digits for every color (red, green, blue), in ARGB you have two additional hex digits for the alpha channel. The shadows are represented by the left third of the graph. The highlights are represented by the right third. And the midtones are, of course, in the middle. The higher the black peaks in the graph, the more pixels are concentrated in that tonal range (total black area). By moving the black endpoint, which identifies the shadows (darkness) and a white light endpoint (brightness) up and down either sides of the graph, colors are adjusted based on these points. By dragging the central one, can increased the midtones and control the contrast, raise shadows levels, clip or softly eliminate unsafe levels, alter gamma, etc... in a way that is much more precise and creative . RGB Curves * Move left endpoint (black point) up or right endpoint (white point) up brightens * Move left endpoint down or right endpoint down darkens Color Curves * Dragging up on the Red Curve increases the intensity of the reds in the image but * Dragging down on the Red Curve decreases the intensity of the reds and thus increases the apparent intensity of its complimentary color, cyan. Green’s complimentary color is magenta, and blue’s is yellow. <pre> Red <-> Cyan Green <->Magenta Blue <->Yellow </pre> YUV Best option to analyse and pull out statistical elements of any picture (i.e. separate luminance data from color data). The line in Y luma tone box represents the brightness of the image with the point in the bottom left been black, and the point in the top right as white. A low-contrast image has a concentrated clump of values nearer to the center of the graph. By comparison, a high-contrast image has a wider distribution of values across the entire width of the Histogram. A histogram that is skewed to the right would indicate a picture that is a bit overexposed because most of the color data is on the lighter side (increase exposure with higher value F), while a histogram with the curve on the left shows a picture that is underexposed. This is good information to have when using post-processing software because it shows you not only where the color data exists for a given picture, but also where any data has been clipped (extremes on edges of either side): that is, it does not exist and, therefore, cannot be edited. By dragging the endpoints of the line and as well as the central one, can increased the dark/shadows, midtones and light/bright parts and control the contrast, raise shadows levels, clip or softly eliminate unsafe levels, alter gamma, etc... in a way that is much more precise and creative . The U and V chroma parts show color difference components of the image. It’s useful for checking whether or not the overall chroma is too high, and also whether it’s being limited too much Can be used to create a negative image but also With U (Cb), the higher value you are, the more you're on the blue primary color. If you go to the low values then you're on blue complementary color, i.e. yellow. With V (Cr), this is the same principle but with Red and Cyan. e.g. If you push U full blue and V full red, you get magenta. If you push U full yellow and V full Cyan then you get green. YUV simultaneously adds to one side of the color equation while subtracting from the other. using YUV to do color correction can be very problematic because each curve alters the result of each other: the mutual influence between U and V often makes things tricky. You may also be careful in what you do to avoid the raise of noise (which happens very easily). Best results are obtained with little adjustments sunset that looks uninspiring and needs some color pop especially for the rays over the hill, a subtle contrast raise while setting luma values back to the legal range without hard clipping. Free royalty pictures, [www.freeimages.com ], [http://imageshack.us/ ], [http://photobucket.com/ ], [http://rawpixels.net/], [], [], [], ====Lunapaint==== Pixel based drawing app with onion-skin animation function Blocking, Shading, Coloring, adding detail <pre> b BRUSH e ERASER alt eyedropper v layer tool z ZOOM / MAGNIFY < > n spc panning m marque q lasso w same color selection / region </pre> <pre> , LM RM v V f filter F . size p , pick color [] last / next color </pre> There is not much missing in Lunapaint to be as good as FlipBook and then you have to take into account that Flipbook is considered to be amongst the best and easiest to use animation software out there. Ok to be honest Flipbook has some nice features that require more heavy work but those aren't so much needed right away, things like camera effects, sound, smart fill, export to different movie file formats etc. Tried Flipbook with my tablet and compared it to Luna. The feeling is the same when sketching. LunaPaint is very responsive/fluent to draw with. Just as Flipbook is, and that responsiveness is something its users have mentioned as one of the positive sides of said software. author was learning MUI. Some parts just have to be rewritten with proper MUI classes before new features can be added. * add [Frame Add] / [Frame Del] * whole animation feature is impossible to use. If you draw 2 color maybe but if you start coloring your cells then you get in trouble * pickup the entire image as a brush, not just a selection ? And consequently remove the brush from memory when one doesn't need it anymore. can pick up a brush and put it onto a new image but cropping isn't possible, nor to load/save brushes. * Undo is something I longed for ages in Lunapaint. * to import into the current layer, other types of images (e.g. JPEG) besides RAW64. * implement graphic tablet features support **GENERAL DRAWING** Miss it very much: UNDO ERASER COLORPICKER - has to show on palette too which color got picked. BACKGROUND COLOR -Possibility to select from "New project screen" Miss it somewhat: ICON for UNDO ICON for ERASER ICON for CLEAR SCREEN ( What can I say? I start over from scratch very often ) BRUSH - possibility to cut out as brush not just copy off image to brush **ANIMATING** Miss it very much: NUMBER OF CELLS - Possibity to change total no. of cells during project ANIM BRUSH - Possibility to pick up a selected part of cells into an animbrush Miss it somewhat: ADD/REMOVE FRAMES: Add/remove single frame In general LunaPaint is really well done and it feels like a new DeluxePaint version. It works with my tablet. Sure there's much missing of course but things can always be added over time. So there is great potential in LunaPaint that's for sure. Animations could be made in it and maybe put together in QuickVideo, saving in .gif or .mng etc some day. LAYERS -Layers names don't get saved globally in animation frames -Layers order don't change globally in an animation (perhaps as default?). EXPORTING IMAGES -Exporting frames to JPG/PNG gives problems with colors. (wrong colors. See my animatiopn --> My robot was blue now it's "gold" ) I think this only happens if you have layers. -Trying to flatten the layers before export doesn't work if you have animation frames only the one you have visible will flatten properly all other frames are destroyed. (Only one of the layers are visible on them) -Exporting images filenames should be for example e.g. file0001, file0002...file0010 instead as of now file1, file2...file10 LOAD/SAVE (Preferences) -Make a setting for the default "Work" folder. * Destroyed colors if exported image/frame has layers * mystic color cycling of the selected color while stepping frames back/forth (annoying) <pre> Deluxe Paint II enhanced key shortcuts NOTE: @ denotes the ALT key [Technique] F1 - Paint F2 - Single Colour F3 - Replace F4 - Smear F5 - Shade F6 - Cycle F7 - Smooth M - Colour Cycle [Brush] B - Restore O - Outline h - Halve brush size H - Double brush size x - Flip brush on X axis X - Double brush size on X axis only y - Flip on Y Y - Double on Y z - Rotate brush 90 degrees Z - Stretch [Stencil] ` - Stencil On [Miscellaneous] F9 - Info Bar F10 - Selection Bar @o - Co-Ordinates @a - Anti-alias @r - Colourise @t - Translucent TAB - Colour Cycle [Picture] L - Load S - Save j - Page to Spare(Flip) J - Page to Spare(Copy) V - View Page Q - Quit [General Keys] m - Magnify < - Zoom In > - Zoom Out [ - Palette Colour Up ] - Palette Colour Down ( - Palette Colour Left ) - Palette Colour Right , - Eye Dropper . - Pixel / Brush Toggle / - Symmetry | - Co-Ordinates INS - Perspective Control +/- - Brush Size (Fine Control) w - Unfilled Polygon W - Filled Polygon e - Unfilled Ellipse E - Filled Ellipse r - Unfilled Rectangle R - Filled Rectangle t - Type/text tool a - Select Font u/U - Undo d - Brush D - Filled Non-Uniform Polygon f/F - Fill Options g/G - Grid h/H - Brush Size (Coarse Control) K - Clear c - Unfilled Circle C - Filled Circle v - Line b - Scissor Select and Toggle B - Brush {,} - Toggle between two background colours </pre> ====Lodepaint==== Pixel based painting artwork app ====Grafx2==== Pixel based painting artwork app aesprite like [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59Y6OTzNrhk aesprite workflow keys and tablet use], [], ====Vector Graphics ZuneFIG==== Vector Image Editing of files .svg .ps .eps *Objects - raise lower rotate flip aligning snapping *Path - unify subtract intersect exclude divide *Colour - fill stroke *Stroke - size *Brushes - *Layers - *Effects - gaussian bevels glows shadows *Text - *Transform - AmiFIG ([http://epb.lbl.gov/xfig/frm_introduction.html xfig manual]) [[File:MyScreen.png|thumb|left|alt=Showing all Windows open in AmiFIG.|All windows available to AmiFIG.]] for drawing simple to intermediate vector graphic images for scientific and technical uses and for illustration purposes for those with talent ;Menu options * Load - fig format but import(s) SVG * Save - fig format but export(s) eps, ps, pdf, svg and png * PAN = Ctrl + Arrow keys * Deselect all points There is no selected object until you apply the tool, and the selected object is not highlighted. ;Metrics - to set up page and styles - first window to open on new drawings ;Tools - Drawing Primitives - set Attributes window first before clicking any Tools button(s) * Shapes - circles, ellipses, arcs, splines, boxes, polygon * Lines - polylines * Text "T" button * Photos - bitmaps * Compound - Glue, Break, Scale * POINTs - Move, Add, Remove * Objects - Move, Copy, Delete, Mirror, Rotate, Paste use right mouse button to stop extra lines, shapes being formed and the left mouse to select/deselect tools button(s) * Rotate - moves in 90 degree turns centered on clicked POINT of a polygon or square ;Attributes which provide change(s) to the above primitives * Color * Line Width * Line Style * arrowheads ;Modes Choose from freehand, charts, figures, magnet, etc. ;Library - allows .fig clip-art to be stored * compound tools to add .fig(s) together ;FIG 3.2 [http://epb.lbl.gov/xfig/fig-format.html Format] as produced by xfig version 3.2.5 <pre> Landscape Center Inches Letter 100.00 Single -2 1200 2 4 0 0 50 -1 0 12 0.0000 4 135 1050 1050 2475 This is a test.01 </pre> # change the text alignment within the textbox. I can choose left, center, or right aligned by either changing the integer in the second column from 0 (left) to 1 or 2 (center, or right). # The third integer in the row specifies fontcolor. For instance, 0 is black, but blue is 1 and Green3 is 13. # The sixth integer in the bottom row specifies fontface. 0 is Times-Roman, but 16 is Helvetica (a MATLAB default). # The seventh number is fontsize. 12 represents a 12pt fontsize. Changing the fontsize of an item really is as easy as changing that number to 20. # The next number is the counter-clockwise angle of the text. Notice that I have changed the angle to .7854 (pi/4 rounded to four digits=45 degrees). # twelfth number is the position according to the standard “x-axis” in Xfig units from the left. Note that 1200 Xfig units is equivalent to once inch. # thirteenth number is the “y-position” from the top using the same unit convention as before. * The nested text string is what you entered into the textbox. * The “01″ present at the end of that line in the .fig file is the closing tag. For instance, a change to \100 appends a @ symbol at the end of the period of that sentence. ; Just to note there are no layers, no 3d functions, no shading, no transparency, no animation [[#top|...to the top]] ===Audio=== # AHI uses linear panning/balance, which means that in the center, you will get -6dB. If an app uses panning, this is what you will get. Note that apps like Audio Evolution need panning, so they will have this problem. # When using AHI Hifi modes, mixing is done in 32-bit and sent as 32-bit data to the driver. The Envy24HT driver uses that to output at 24-bit (always). # For the Envy24/Envy24HT, I've made 16-bit and 24-bit inputs (called Line-in 16-bit, Line-in 24-bit etc.). There is unfortunately no app that can handle 24-bit recording. ====Music Mods==== Digital module (mods) trackers are music creation software using samples and sometimes soundfonts, audio plugins (VST, AU or RTAS), MIDI. Generally, MODs are similar to MIDI in that they contain note on/off and other sequence messages that control the mod player. Unlike (most) midi files, however, they also contain sound samples that the sequence information actually plays. MOD files can have many channels (classic amiga mods have 4, corresponding to the inbuilt sound channels), but unlike MIDI, each channel can typically play only one note at once. However, since that note might be a sample of a chord, a drumloop or other complex sound, this is not as limiting as it sounds. Like MIDI, notes will play indefinitely if they're not instructed to end. Most trackers record this information automatically if you play your music in live. If you're using manual note entry, you can enter a note-off command with a keyboard shortcut - usually Caps Lock. In fact when considering file size MOD is not always the best option. Even a dummy song wastes few kilobytes for nothing when a simple SID tune could be few hundreds bytes and not bigger than 64kB. AHX is another small format, AHX tunes are never larger than 64kB excluding comments. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXXsZfwgil Protrekkr] (previously aka [w:Juan_Antonio_Arguelles_Rius|NoiseTrekkr]) If Protrekkr does not start, please check if the Unit 0 has been setup in the AHI prefs and still not, go to the directory utilities/protrekkr and double click on the Protrekkr icon *Sample *Note - Effect *Track (column) - Pattern - Order It all starts with the Sample which is used to create Note(s) in a Track (column of a tracker) The Note can be changed with an Effect. A Track of Note(s) can be collected into a Pattern (section of a song) and these can be given Order to create the whole song. Patience (notes have to be entered one at a time) or playing the bassline on a midi controller (faster - see midi section above). Best approach is to wait until a melody popped into your head. *Up-tempo means the track should be reasonably fast, but not super-fast. *Groovy and funky imply the track should have some sort of "swing" feel, with plenty of syncopation or off beat emphasis and a recognizable, melodic bass line. *Sweet and happy mean upbeat melodies, a major key and avoiding harsh sounds. *Moody - minor key First, create a quick bass sound, which is basically a sine wave, but can be hand drawn for a little more variance. It could also work for the melody part, too. This is usually a bass guitar or some kind of synthesizer bass. The bass line is often forgotten by inexperienced composers, but it plays an important role in a musical piece. Together with the rhythm section the bass line forms the groove of a song. It's the glue between the rhythm section and the melodic layer of a song. The drums are just pink noise samples, played at different frequencies to get a slightly different sound for the kick, snare, and hihats. Instruments that fall into the rhythm category are bass drums, snares, hi-hats, toms, cymbals, congas, tambourines, shakers, etc. Any percussive instrument can be used to form part of the rhythm section. The lead is the instrument that plays the main melody, on top of the chords. There are many instruments that can play a lead section, like a guitar, a piano, a saxophone or a flute. The list is almost endless. There is a lot of overlap with instruments that play chords. Often in one piece an instrument serves both roles. The lead melody is often played at a higher pitch than the chords. Listened back to what was produced so far, and a counter-melody can be imagined, which can be added with a triangle wave. To give the ends of phrases some life, you can add a solo part with a crunchy synth. By hitting random notes in the key of G, then edited a few of them. For the climax of the song, filled out the texture with a gentle high-pitch pad… …and a grungy bass synth. The arrow at A points at the pattern order list. As you see, the patterns don't have to be in numerical order. This song starts with pattern "00", then pattern "02", then "03", then "01", etcetera. Patterns may be repeated throughout a song. The B arrow points at the song title. Below it are the global BPM and speed parameters. These determine the tempo of the song, unless the tempo is altered through effect commands during the song. The C arrow points at the list of instruments. An instrument may consist of multiple samples. Which sample will be played depends on the note. This can be set in the Instrument Editing screen. Most instruments will consist of just one sample, though. The sample list for the selected instrument can be found under arrow D. Here's a part of the main editing screen. This is where you put in actual notes. Up to 32 channels can be used, meaning 32 sounds can play simultaneously. The first six channels of pattern "03" at order "02" are shown here. The arrow at A points at the row number. The B arrow points at the note to play, in this case a C4. The column pointed at by the C arrow tells us which instrument is associated with that note, in this case instrument #1 "Kick". The column at D is used (mainly) for volume commands. In this case it is left empty which means the instrument should play at its default volume. You can see the volume column being used in channel #6. The E column tells us which effect to use and any parameters for that effect. In this case it holds the "F" effect, which is a tempo command. The "04" means it should play at tempo 4 (a smaller number means faster). Base pattern When I create a new track I start with what I call the base pattern. It is worthwhile to spend some time polishing it as a lot of the ideas in the base pattern will be copied and used in other patterns. At least, that's how I work. Every musician will have his own way of working. In "Wild Bunnies" the base pattern is pattern "03" at order "02". In the section about selecting samples I talked about the four different categories of instruments: drums, bass, chords and leads. That's also how I usually go about making the base pattern. I start by making a drum pattern, then add a bass line, place some chords and top it off with a lead. This forms the base pattern from which the rest of the song will grow. Drums Here's a screenshot of the first four rows of the base pattern. I usually reserve the first four channels or so for the drum instruments. Right away there are a couple of tricks shown here. In the first channel the kick, or bass drum, plays some notes. Note the alternating F04 and F02 commands. The "F" command alters the tempo of the song and by quickly alternating the tempo; the song will get some kind of "swing" feel. In the second channel the closed hi-hat plays a fairly simple pattern. Further down in the channel, not shown here, some open hi-hat notes are added for a bit of variation. In the third and fourth channel the snare sample plays. The "8" command is for panning. One note is panned hard to the left and the other hard to the right. One sample is played a semitone lower than the other. This results in a cool flanging effect. It makes the snare stand out a little more in the mix. Bass line There are two different instruments used for the bass line. Instrument #6 is a pretty standard synthesized bass sound. Instrument #A sounds a bit like a slap bass when used with a quick fade out. By using two different instruments the bass line sounds a bit more ”human”. The volume command is used to cut off the notes. However, it is never set to zero. Setting the volume to a very small value will result in a reverb-like effect. This makes the song sound more "live". The bass line hints at the chords that will be played and the key the song will be in. In this case the key of the song is D-major, a positive and happy key. Chords The D major chords that are being played here are chords stabs; short sounds with a quick decay (fade out). Two different instruments (#8 and #9) are used to form the chords. These instruments are quite similar, but have a slightly different sound, panning and volume decay. Again, the reason for this is to make the sound more human. The volume command is used on some chords to simulate a delay, to achieve more of a live feel. The chords are placed off-beat making for a funky rhythm. Lead Finally the lead melody is added. The other instruments are invaluable in holding the track together, but the lead melody is usually what catches people's attention. A lot of notes and commands are used here, but it looks more complex than it is. A stepwise ascending melody plays in channel 13. Channel 14 and 15 copy this melody, but play it a few rows later at a lower volume. This creates an echo effect. A bit of panning is used on the notes to create some stereo depth. Like with the bass line, instead of cutting off notes the volume is set to low values for a reverb effect. The "461" effect adds a little vibrato to the note, which sounds nice on sustained notes. Those paying close attention may notice the instrument used here for the lead melody is the same as the one used for the bass line (#6 "Square"), except played two or three octaves higher. This instrument is a looped square wave sample. Each type of wave has its own quirks, but the square wave (shown below) is a really versatile wave form. Song structure Good, catchy songs are often carefully structured into sections, some of which are repeated throughout the song with small variations. A typical pop-song structure is: Intro - Verse - Chorus - Verse - Chorus - Bridge - Chorus. Other single sectional song structures are <pre> Strophic or AAA Song Form - oldest story telling with refrain (often title of the song) repeated in every verse section melody AABA Song Form - early popular, jazz and gospel fading during the 1960s AB or Verse/Chorus Song Form - songwriting format of choice for modern popular music since the 1960s Verse/Chorus/Bridge Song Form ABAB Song Form ABAC Song Form ABCD Song Form AAB 12-Bar Song Form - three four-bar lines or sub-sections 8-Bar Song Form 16-Bar Song Form Hybrid / Compound Song Forms </pre> The most common building blocks are: #INTRODUCTION(INTRO) #VERSE #REFRAIN #PRE-CHORUS / RISE / CLIMB #CHORUS #BRIDGE #MIDDLE EIGHT #SOLO / INSTRUMENTAL BREAK #COLLISION #CODA / OUTRO #AD LIB (OFTEN IN CODA / OUTRO) The chorus usually has more energy than the verse and often has a memorable melody line. As the chorus is repeated the most often during the song, it will be the part that people will remember. The bridge often marks a change of direction in the song. It is not uncommon to change keys in the bridge, or at least to use a different chord sequence. The bridge is used to build up tension towards the big finale, the last repetition of chorus. Playing RCTRL: Play song from row 0. LSHIFT + RCTRL: Play song from current row. RALT: Play pattern from row 0. LSHIFT + RALT: Play pattern from current row. Left mouse on '>': Play song from row 0. Right mouse on '>': Play song from current row. Left mouse on '|>': Play pattern from row 0. Right mouse on '|>': Play pattern from current row. Left mouse on 'Edit/Record': Edit mode on/off. Right mouse on 'Edit/Record': Record mode on/off. Editing LSHIFT + ESCAPE: Switch large patterns view on/off TAB: Go to next track LSHIFT + TAB: Go to prev. track LCTRL + TAB: Go to next note in track LCTRL + LSHIFT + TAB: Go to prev. note in track SPACE: Toggle Edit mode On & Off (Also stop if the song is being played) SHIFT SPACE: Toggle Record mode On & Off (Wait for a key note to be pressed or a midi in message to be received) DOWN ARROW: 1 Line down UP ARROW: 1 Line up LEFT ARROW: 1 Row left RIGHT ARROW: 1 Row right PREV. PAGE: 16 Arrows Up NEXT PAGE: 16 Arrows Down HOME / END: Top left / Bottom right of pattern LCTRL + HOME / END: First / last track F5, F6, F7, F8, F9: Jump to 0, 1/4, 2/4, 3/4, 4/4 lines of the patterns + - (Numeric keypad): Next / Previous pattern LCTRL + LEFT / RIGHT: Next / Previous pattern LCTRL + LALT + LEFT / RIGHT: Next / Previous position LALT + LEFT / RIGHT: Next / Previous instrument LSHIFT + M: Toggle mute state of the current channel LCTRL + LSHIFT + M: Solo the current track / Unmute all LSHIFT + F1 to F11: Select a tab/panel LCTRL + 1 to 4: Select a copy buffer Tracking 1st and 2nd keys rows: Upper octave row 3rd and 4th keys rows: Lower octave row RSHIFT: Insert a note off / and * (Numeric keypad) or F1 F2: -1 or +1 octave INSERT / BACKSPACE: Insert or Delete a line in current track or current selected block. LSHIFT + INSERT / BACKSPACE: Insert or Delete a line in current pattern DELETE (NOT BACKSPACE): Empty a column or a selected block. Blocks (Blocks can also be selected with the mouse by holding the right button and scrolling the pattern with the mouse wheel). LCTRL + A: Select entire current track LCTRL + LSHIFT + A: Select entire current pattern LALT + A: Select entire column note in a track LALT + LSHIFT + A: Select all notes of a track LCTRL + X: Cut the selected block and copy it into the block-buffer LCTRL + C: Copy the selected block into the block-buffer LCTRL + V: Paste the data from the block buffer into the pattern LCTRL + I: Interpolate selected data from the first to the last row of a selection LSHIFT + ARROWS PREV. PAGE NEXT PAGE: Select a block LCTRL + R: Randomize the select columns of a selection, works similar to CTRL + I (interpolating them) LCTRL + U: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 seminote higher LCTRL + D: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 seminote lower LCTRL + LSHIFT + U: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 seminote higher (only for the current instrument) LCTRL + LSHIFT + D: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 seminote lower (only for the current instrument) LCTRL + H: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 octave higher LCTRL + L: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 octave lower LCTRL + LSHIFT + H: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 octave higher (only for the current instrument) LCTRL + LSHIFT + L: Transpose the note of a selection to 1 octave lower (only for the current instrument) LCTRL + W: Save the current selection into a file Misc LALT + ENTER: Switch between full screen / windowed mode LALT + F4: Exit program (Windows only) LCTRL + S: Save current module LSHIFT + S: Switch top right panel to synths list LSHIFT + I: Switch top right panel to instruments list <pre> C-x xh xx xx hhhh Volume B-x xh xx xx hhhh Jump to A#x xh xx xx hhhh hhhh Slide F-x xh xx xx hhhh Tempo D-x xh xx xx hhhh Pattern Break G#x xh xx xx hhhh </pre> h Hex 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F 10 11 12 13 d Dec 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 The Set Volume command: C. Input a note, then move the cursor to the effects command column and type a C. Play the pattern, and you shouldn't be able to hear the note you placed the C by. This is because the effect parameters are 00. Change the two zeros to a 40(Hex)/64(Dec), depending on what your tracker uses. Play back the pattern again, and the note should come in at full volume. The Position Jump command next. This is just a B followed by the position in the playing list that you want to jump to. One thing to remember is that the playing list always starts at 0, not 1. This command is usually in Hex. Onto the volume slide command: A. This is slightly more complex (much more if you're using a newer tracker, if you want to achieve the results here, then set slides to Amiga, not linear), due to the fact it depends on the secondary tempo. For now set a secondary tempo of 06 (you can play around later), load a long or looped sample and input a note or two. A few rows after a note type in the effect command A. For the parameters use 0F. Play back the pattern, and you should notice that when the effect kicks in, the sample drops to a very low volume very quickly. Change the effect parameters to F0, and use a low volume command on the note. Play back the pattern, and when the slide kicks in the volume of the note should increase very quickly. This because each part of the effect parameters for command A does a different thing. The first number slides the volume up, and the second slides it down. It's not recommended that you use both a volume up and volume down at the same time, due to the fact the tracker only looks for the first number that isn't set to 0. If you specify parameters of 8F, the tracker will see the 8, ignore the F, and slide the volume up. Using a slide up and down at same time just makes you look stupid. Don't do it... The Set Tempo command: F, is pretty easy to understand. You simply specify the BPM (in Hex) that you want to change to. One important thing to note is that values of lower than 20 (Hex) sets the secondary tempo rather than the primary. Another useful command is the Pattern Break: D. This will stop the playing of the current pattern and skip to the next one in the playing list. By using parameters of more than 00 you can also specify which line to begin playing from. Command 3 is Portamento to Note. This slides the currently playing note to another note, at a specified speed. The slide then stops when it reaches the desired note. <pre> C-2 1 000 - Starts the note playing --- 000 C-3 330 - Starts the slide to C-3 at a speed of 30. --- 300 - Continues the slide --- 300 - Continues the slide </pre> Once the parameters have been set, the command can be input again without any parameters, and it'll still perform the same function unless you change the parameters. This memory function allows certain commands to function correctly, such as command 5, which is the Portamento to Note and Volume Slide command. Once command 3 has been set up command 5 will simply take the parameters from that and perform a Portamento to Note. Any parameters set up for command 5 itself simply perform a Volume Slide identical to command A at the same time as the Portamento to Note. This memory function will only operate in the same channel where the original parameters were set up. There are various other commands which perform two functions at once. They will be described as we come across them. C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 02 C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 05 C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 08 C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 0A C-3 04 .. .. 09 00 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 0D C-3 04 .. .. 09 10 ---> C-3 04 .. .. 09 10 (You can also switch on the Slider Rec to On, and perform parameter-live-recording, such as cutoff transitions, resonance or panning tweaking, etc..) Note: this command only works for volume/panning and fx datas columns. The next command we'll look at is the Portamento up/down: 1 and 2. Command 1 slides the pitch up at a specified speed, and 2 slides it down. This command works in a similar way to the volume slide, in that it is dependent on the secondary tempo. Both these commands have a memory dependent on each other, if you set the slide to a speed of 3 with the 1 command, a 2 command with no parameters will use the speed of 3 from the 1 command, and vice versa. Command 4 is Vibrato. Vibrato is basically rapid changes in pitch, just try it, and you'll see what I mean. Parameters are in the format of xy, where x is the speed of the slide, and y is the depth of the slide. One important point to remember is to keep your vibratos subtle and natural so a depth of 3 or less and a reasonably fast speed, around 8, is usually used. Setting the depth too high can make the part sound out of tune from the rest. Following on from command 4 is command 6. This is the Vibrato and Volume Slide command, and it has a memory like command 5, which you already know how to use. Command 7 is Tremolo. This is similar to vibrato. Rather than changing the pitch it slides the volume. The effect parameters are in exactly the same format. vibrato effect (0x1dxy) x = speed y = depth (can't be used if arpeggio (0x1b) is turned on) <pre> C-7 00 .. .. 1B37 <- Turn Arpeggio effect on --- .. .. .. 0000 --- .. .. .. 0000 --- .. .. .. 0000 --- .. .. .. 1B38 <- Change datas --- .. .. .. 0000 --- .. .. .. 0000 --- .. .. .. 0000 --- .. .. .. 1B00 <- Turn it off </pre> Command 9 is Sample Offset. This starts the playback of the sample from a different place than the start. The effect parameters specify the sample offset, but only very roughly. Say you have a sample which is 8765(Hex) bytes long, and you wanted it to play from position 4321(Hex). The effect parameter could only be as accurate as the 43 part, and it would ignore the 21. Command B is the Playing List/Order Jump command. The parameters specify the position in the Playing List/Order to jump to. When used in conjunction with command D you can specify the position and the line to play from. Command E is pretty complex, as it is used for a lot of different things, depending on what the first parameter is. Let's take a trip through each effect in order. Command E0 controls the hardware filter on an Amiga, which, as a low pass filter, cuts off the highest frequencies being played back. There are very few players and trackers on other system that simulate this function, not that you should need to use it. The second parameter, if set to 1, turns on the filter. If set to 0, the filter gets turned off. Commands E1/E2 are Fine Portamento Up/Down. Exactly the same functions as commands 1/2, except that they only slide the pitch by a very small amount. These commands have a memory the same as 1/2 as well. Command E3 sets the Glissando control. If parameters are set to 1 then when using command 3, any sliding will only use the notes in between the original note and the note being slid to. This produces a somewhat jumpier slide than usual. The best way to understand is to try it out for yourself. Produce a slow slide with command 3, listen to it, and then try using E31. Command E4 is the Set Vibrato Waveform control. This command controls how the vibrato command slides the pitch. Parameters are 0 - Sine, 1 - Ramp Down (Saw), 2 - Square. By adding 4 to the parameters, the waveform will not be restarted when a new note is played e.g. 5 - Sine without restart. Command E5 sets the Fine Tune of the instrument being played, but only for the particular note being played. It will override the default Fine Tune for the instrument. The parameters range from 0 to F, with 0 being -8 and F being +8 Fine Tune. A parameter of 8 gives no Fine Tune. If you're using a newer tracker that supports more than -8 to +8 e.g. -128 to +128, these parameters will give a rough Fine Tune, accurate to the nearest 16. Command E6 is the Jump Loop command. You mark the beginning of the part of a pattern that you want to loop with E60, and then specify with E6x the end of the loop, where x is the number of times you want it to loop. Command E7 is the Set Tremolo Waveform control. This has exactly the same parameters as command E4, except that it works for Tremolo rather than Vibrato. Command E9 is for Retriggering the note quickly. The parameter specifies the interval between the retrigs. Use a value of less than the current secondary tempo, or else the note will not get retrigged. Command EA/B are for Fine Volume Slide Up/Down. Much the same as the normal Volume Slides, except that these are easier to control since they don't depend on the secondary tempo. The parameters specify the amount to slide by e.g. if you have a sample playing at a volume of 08 (Hex) then the effect EA1 will slide this volume to 09 (Hex). A subsequent effect of EB4 would slide this volume down to 05 (Hex). Command EC is the Note Cut. This sets the volume of the currently playing note to 0 at a specified tick. The parameters should be lower than the secondary tempo or else the effect won't work. Command ED is the Note Delay. This should be used at the same time as a note is to be played, and the parameters will specify the number of ticks to delay playing the note. Again, keep the parameters lower than the secondary tempo, or the note won't get played! Command EE is the Pattern Delay. This delays the pattern for the amount of time it would take to play a certain number of rows. The parameters specify how many rows to delay for. Command EF is the Funk Repeat command. Set the sample loop to 0-1000. When EFx is used, the loop will be moved to 1000- 2000, then to 2000-3000 etc. After 9000-10000 the loop is set back to 0- 1000. The speed of the loop "movement" is defined by x. E is two times as slow as F, D is three times as slow as F etc. EF0 will turn the Funk Repeat off and reset the loop (to 0-1000). effects 0x41 and 0x42 to control the volumes of the 2 303 units There is a dedicated panel for synth parameter editing with coherent sections (osc, filter modulation, routing, so on) the interface is much nicer, much better to navigate with customizable colors, the reverb is now customizable (10 delay lines), It accepts newer types of Waves (higher bit rates, at least 24). Has a replay routine. It's pretty much your basic VA synth. The problem isn't with the sampler being to high it's the synth is tuned two octaves too low, but if you want your samples tuned down just set the base note down 2 octaves (in the instrument panel). so the synth is basically divided into 3 sections from left to right: oscillators/envelopes, then filter and LFO's, and in the right column you have mod routings and global settings. for the oscillator section you have two normal oscillators (sine, saw, square, noise), the second of which is tunable, the first one tunes with the key pressed. Attached to OSC 1 is a sub-oscillator, which is a sawtooth wave tuned one octave down. The phase modulation controls the point in the duty cycle at which the oscillator starts. The ADSR envelope sliders (grouped with oscs) are for modulation envelope 1 and 2 respectively. you can use the synth as a sampler by choosing the instrument at the top. In the filter column, the filter settings are: 1 = lowpass, 2 = highpass, 3 = off. cutoff and resonance. For the LFOs they are LFO 1 and LFO 2, the ADSR sliders in those are for the LFO itself. For the modulation routings you have ENV 1, LFO 1 for the first slider and ENV 2, LFO 2 for the second, you can cycle through the individual routings there, and you can route each modulation source to multiple destinations of course, which is another big plus for this synth. Finally the glide time is for portamento and master volume, well, the master volume... it can go quite loud. The sequencer is changed too, It's more like the one in AXS if you've used that, where you can mute tracks to re-use patterns with variation. <pre> Support for the following modules formats: 669 (Composer 669, Unis 669), AMF (DSMI Advanced Module Format), AMF (ASYLUM Music Format V1.0), APUN (APlayer), DSM (DSIK internal format), FAR (Farandole Composer), GDM (General DigiMusic), IT (Impulse Tracker), IMF (Imago Orpheus), MOD (15 and 31 instruments), MED (OctaMED), MTM (MultiTracker Module editor), OKT (Amiga Oktalyzer), S3M (Scream Tracker 3), STM (Scream Tracker), STX (Scream Tracker Music Interface Kit), ULT (UltraTracker), UNI (MikMod), XM (FastTracker 2), Mid (midi format via timidity) </pre> Possible plugin options include [http://lv2plug.in/ LV2], ====Midi - Musical Instrument Digital Interface==== A midi file typically contains music that plays on up to 16 channels (as per the midi standard), but many notes can simultaneously play on each channel (depending on the limit of the midi hardware playing it). '''Timidity''' Although usually already installed, you can uncompress the [http://www.libsdl.org/projects/SDL_mixer/ timidity.tar.gz (14MB)] into a suitable drawer like below's SYS:Extras/Audio/ assign timidity: SYS:Extras/Audio/timidity added to SYSːs/User-Startup '''WildMidi playback''' '''Audio Evolution 4 (2003) 4.0.23 (from 2012)''' *Sync Menu - CAMD Receive, Send checked *Options Menu - MIDI Machine Control - Midi Bar Display - Select CAMD MIDI in / out - Midi Remote Setup MCB Master Control Bus *Sending a MIDI start-command and a Song Position Pointer, you can synchronize audio with an external MIDI sequencer (like B&P). *B&P Receive, start AE, add AudioEvolution.ptool in Bars&Pipes track, press play / record in AE then press play in Pipes *CAMD Receive, receive MIDI start or continue commands via camd.library sync to AE *MIDI Machine Control *Midi Bar Display *Select CAMD MIDI in / out *Midi Remote Setup - open requester for external MIDI controllers to control app mixer and transport controls cc remotely Channel - mixer(vol, pan, mute, solo), eq, aux, fx, Subgroup - Volume, Mute, Solo Transport - Start, End, Play, Stop, Record, Rewind, Forward Misc - Master vol., Bank Down, Bank up <pre> q - quit First 3 already opened when AE started F1 - timeline window F2 - mixer F3 - control F4 - subgroups F5 - aux returns F6 - sample list i - Load sample to use space - start/stop play b - reset time 0:00 s - split mode r - open recording window a - automation edit mode with p panning, m mute and v volume [ / ] - zoom in / out : - previous track * - next track x c v f - cut copy paste cross-fade g - snap grid </pre> '''[http://bnp.hansfaust.de/ Bars n Pipes sequencer]''' BarsnPipes debug ... in shell Menu (right mouse) *Song - Songs load and save in .song format but option here to load/save Midi_Files .mid in FORMAT0 or FORMAT1 *Track - *Edit - *Tool - *Timing - SMTPE Synchronizing *Windows - *Preferences - Multiple MIDI-in option Windows (some of these are usually already opened when Bars n Pipes starts up for the first time) *Workflow -> Tracks, .... Song Construction, Time-line Scoring, Media Madness, Mix Maestro, *Control -> Transport (or mini one), Windows (which collects all the Windows icons together-shortcut), .... Toolbox, Accessories, Metronome, Once you have your windows placed on the screen that suits your workflow, Song -> Save as Default will save the positions, colors, icons, etc as you'd like them If you need a particular setup of Tracks, Tools, Tempos etc, you save them all as a new song you can load each time Right mouse menu -> Preferences -> Environment... -> ScreenMode - Linkages for Synch (to Slave) usbmidi.out.0 and Send (Master) usbmidi.in.0 - Clock MTC '''Tracks''' #Double-click on B&P's icon. B&P will then open with an empty Song. You can also double-click on a song icon to open a song in B&P. #Choose a track. The B&P screen will contain a Tracks Window with a number of tracks shown as pipelines (Track 1, Track 2, etc...). To choose a track, simply click on the gray box to show an arrow-icon to highlight it. This icon show whether a track is chosen or not. To the right of the arrow-icon, you can see the icon for the midi-input. If you double-click on this icon you can change the MIDI-in setup. #Choose Record for the track. To the right of the MIDI-input channel icon you can see a pipe. This leads to another clickable icon with that shows either P, R or M. This stands for Play, Record or Merge. To change the icon, simply click on it. If you choose P, this track can only play the track (you can't record anything). If you choose R, you can record what you play and it overwrites old stuff in the track. If you choose M, you merge new records with old stuff in the track. Choose R now to be able to make a record. #Chose MIDI-channel. On the most right part of the track you can see an icon with a number in it. This is the MIDI-channel selector. Here you must choose a MIDI-channel that is available on your synthesizer/keyboard. If you choose General MIDI channel 10, most synthesizer will play drum sounds. To the left of this icon is the MIDI-output icon. Double-click on this icon to change the MIDI-output configuration. #Start recording. The next step is to start recording. You must then find the control buttons (they look like buttons on a CD-player). To be able to make a record. you must click on the R icon. You can simply now press the play button (after you have pressed the R button) and play something on you keyboard. To playback your composition, press the Play button on the control panel. #Edit track. To edit a track, you simply double click in the middle part of a track. You will then get a new window containing the track, where you can change what you have recorded using tools provided. Take also a look in the drop-down menus for more features. Videos to help understand [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6gVTX-9900 small intro], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abq_rUTiSA4&t=3s Overview], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixOVutKsYQo Workplace Setup CC PC Sysex], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDnJLYPaZTs Import Song], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC3kkzPLkv4 Tempo Mapping], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd23kqMYPDs ptool Arpeggi-8], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDJq-YxgwQg PlayMidi Song], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY9Pu5P9TaU Amiga Midi], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abq_rUTiSA4 Learning Amiga bars and Pipes], Groups like [https://groups.io/g/barsnpipes/topics this] could help '''Tracks window''' * blue "1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Group" and transport tape deck VCR-type controls * Flags * [http://theproblem.alco-rhythm.com/org/bp.html Track 1, Track2, to Track 16, on each Track there are many options that can be activated] Each Track has a *Left LHS - Click in grey box to select what Track to work on, Midi-In ptool icon should be here (5pin plug icon), and many more from the Toolbox on the Input Pipeline *Middle - (P, R, M) Play, Record, Merge/Multi before the sequencer line and a blue/red/yellow (Thru Mute Play) Tap *Right RHS - Output pipeline, can have icons placed uopn it with the final ptool icon(s) being the 5pin icon symbol for Midi-OUT Clogged pipelines may need Esc pressed several times '''Toolbox (tools affect the chosen pipeline)''' After opening the Toolbox window you can add extra Tools (.ptool) for the pipelines like keyboard(virtual), midimonitor, quick patch, transpose, triad, (un)quantize, feedback in/out, velocity etc right mouse -> Toolbox menu option -> Install Tool... and navigate to Tool drawer (folder) and select requried .ptool Accompany B tool to get some sort of rythmic accompaniment, Rythm Section and Groove Quantize are examples of other tools that make use of rythms [https://aminet.net/search?query=bars Bars & Pipes pattern format .ptrn] for drawer (folder). Load from the Menu as Track or Group '''Accessories (affect the whole app)''' Accessories -> Install... and goto the Accessories drawer for .paccess like adding ARexx scripting support '''Song Construction''' <pre> F1 Pencil F2 Magic Wand F3 Hand F4 Duplicator F5 Eraser F6 Toolpad F7 Bounding box F8 Lock to A-B-A A-B-A strip, section, edit flags, white boxes, </pre> Bars&Pipes Professional offers three track formats; basic song tracks, linear tracks — which don't loop — and finally real‑time tracks. The difference between them is that both song and linear tracks respond to tempo changes, while real‑time tracks use absolute timing, always trigger at the same instant regardless of tempo alterations '''Tempo Map''' F1 Pencil F2 Magic Wand F3 Hand F4 Eraser F5 Curve F6 Toolpad Compositions Lyrics, Key, Rhythm, Time Signature '''Master Parameters''' Key, Scale/Mode '''Track Parameters''' Dynamics '''Time-line Scoring''' '''Media Madness''' '''Mix Maestro''' *ACCESSORIES Allows the importation of other packages and additional modules *CLIPBOARD Full cut, copy and paste operations, enabling user‑definable clips to be shared between tracks. *INFORMATION A complete rundown on the state of the current production and your machine. *MASTER PARAMETERS Enables global definition of time signatures, lyrics, scales, chords, dynamics and rhythm changes. *MEDIA MADNESS A complete multimedia sequencer which allows samples, stills, animation, etc *METRONOME Tempo feedback via MIDI, internal Amiga audio and colour cycling — all three can be mixed and matched as required. *MIX MAESTRO Completely automated mixdown with control for both volume and pan. All fader alterations are memorised by the software *RECORD ACTIVATION Complete specification of the data to be recorded/merged. Allows overdubbing of pitch‑bend, program changes, modulation etc *SET FLAGS Numeric positioning of location and edit flags in either SMPTE or musical time *SONG CONSTRUCTION Large‑scale cut and paste of individual measures, verses or chorus, by means of bounding box and drag‑n‑drop mouse selections *TEMPO MAP Tempo change using a variety of linear and non‑linear transition curves *TEMPO PALETTE Instant tempo changes courtesy of four user‑definable settings. *TIMELINE SCORING Sequencing of a selection of songs over a defined period — ideal for planning an entire set for a live performance. *TOOLBOX Selection screen for the hundreds of signal‑processing tools available *TRACKS Opens the main track window to enable recording, editing and the use of tools. *TRANSPORT Main playback control window, which also provides access to user‑ defined flags, loop and punch‑in record modes. Bars and Pipes Pro 2.5 is using internal 4-Byte IDs, to check which kind of data are currently processed. Especially in all its files the IDs play an important role. The IDs are stored into the file in the same order they are laid out in the memory. In a Bars 'N' Pipes file (no matter which kind) the ID "NAME" (saved as its ANSI-values) is stored on a big endian system (68k-computer) as "NAME". On a little endian system (x86 PC computer) as "EMAN". The target is to make the AROS-BnP compatible to songs, which were stored on a 68k computer (AMIGA). If possible, setting MIDI channels for Local Control for your keyboard http://www.fromwithin.com/liquidmidi/archive.shtml MIDI files are essentially a stream of event data. An event can be many things, but typically "note on", "note off", "program change", "controller change", or messages that instruct a MIDI compatible synth how to play a given bit of music. * Channel - 1 to 16 - * Messages - PC presets, CC effects like delays, reverbs, etc * Sequencing - MIDI instruments, Drums, Sound design, * Recording - * GUI - Piano roll or Tracker, Staves and Notes MIDI events/messages like step entry e.g. Note On, Note Off MIDI events/messages like PB, PC, CC, Mono and Poly After-Touch, Sysex, etc MIDI sync - Midi Clocks (SPS Measures), Midi Time Code (h, m, s and frames) SMPTE Individual track editing with audition edits so easier to test any changes. Possible to stop track playback, mix clips from the right edit flag and scroll the display using arrow keys. Step entry, to extend a selected note hit the space bar and the note grows accordingly. Ability to cancel mouse‑driven edits by simply clicking the right mouse button — at which point everything snaps back into its original form. Lyrics can now be put in with syllable dividers, even across an entire measure or section. Autoranging when you open a edit window, the notes are automatically displayed — working from the lowest upwards. Flag editing, shift‑click on a flag immediately open the bounds window, ready for numeric input. Ability to cancel edits using the right‑hand mouse button, plus much improved Bounding Box operations. Icons other than the BarsnPipes icon -> PUBSCREEN=BarsnPipes (cannot choose modes higher than 8bit 256 colors) Preferences -> Menu in Tracks window - Send MIDI defaults OFF Prefs -> Environment -> screenmode (saved to BarsnPipes.prefs binary file) Customization -> pics in gui drawer (folder) - Can save as .song files and .mid General Midi SMF is a “Standard Midi File” ([http://www.music.mcgill.ca/~ich/classes/mumt306/StandardMIDIfileformat.html SMF0, SMF1 and SMF2]), [https://github.com/stump/libsmf libsmf], [https://github.com/markc/midicomp MIDIcomp], [https://github.com/MajicDesigns/MD_MIDIFile C++ src], [], [https://github.com/newdigate/midi-smf-reader Midi player], * SMF0 All MIDI data is stored in one track only, separated exclusively by the MIDI channel. * SMF1 The MIDI data is stored in separate tracks/channels. * SMF2 (rarely used) The MIDI data is stored in separate tracks, which are additionally wrapped in containers, so it's possible to have e.g. several tracks using the same MIDI channels. Would it be possible to enrich Bars N’Pipes with software synth and sample support along with audio recording and mastering tools like in the named MAC or PC music sequencers? On the classic AMIGA-OS this is not possible because of missing CPU-power. The hardware of the classic AMIGA is not further developed. So we must say (unfortunately) that those dreams can’t become reality BarsnPipes is best used with external MIDI-equipment. This can be a keyboard or synthesizer with MIDI-connectors. <pre> MIDI can control 16 channels There are USB-MIDI-Interfaces on the market with 16 independent MIDI-lines (multi-port), which can handle 16 MIDI devices independently – 16×16 = 256 independent MIDI-channels or instruments handle up to 16 different USB-MIDI-Interfaces (multi-device). That is: 16X16X16 = 4096 independent MIDI-channels – theoretically </pre> <pre> Librarian MIDI SYStem EXplorer (sysex) - PatchEditor and used to be supplied as a separate program like PatchMeister but currently not at present It should support MIDI.library (PD), BlueRibbon.library (B&P), TriplePlayPlus, and CAMD.library (DeluxeMusic) and MIDI information from a device's user manual and configure a custom interface to access parameters for all MIDI products connected to the system Supports ALL MIDI events and the Patch/Librarian data is stored in MIDI standard format Annette M.Crowling, Missing Link Software, Inc. </pre> Composers <pre> [https://x.com/hirasawa/status/1403686519899054086 Susumu Hirasawa] </pre> <pre> 1988 Todor Fay and his wife Melissa Jordan Gray, who founded the Blue Ribbon Inc 1992 Bars&Pipes Pro published November 2000, Todor Fay announcement to release the sourcecode of Bars&Pipes Pro 2.5c beta end of May 2001, the source of the main program and the sources of some tools and accessories were in a complete and compileable state end of October 2009 stop further development of BarsnPipes New for now on all supported systems and made freeware 2013 Alfred Faust diagnosed with incureable illness, called „Myastenia gravis“ (weak muscles) </pre> Protrekkr How to use Midi In/Out in Protrekkr ? First of all, midi in & out capabilities of this program are rather limited. # Go to Misc. Setup section and select a midi in or out device to use (ptk only supports one device at a time). # Go to instrument section, and select a MIDI PRG (the default is N/A, which means no midi program selected). # Go to track section and here you can assign a midi channel to each track of ptk. # Play notes :]. Note off works. F'x' note cut command also works too, and note-volume command (speed) is supported. Also, you can change midicontrollers in the tracker, using '90' in the panning row: <pre> C-3 02 .. .. 0000.... --- .. .. 90 xxyy.... << This will set the value --- .. .. .. 0000.... of the controller n.'xx' to 'yy' (both in hex) --- .. .. .. 0000.... </pre> So "--- .. .. 90 2040...." will set the controller number $20(32) to $40(64). You will need the midi implementation table of your gear to know what you can change with midi controller messages. N.B. Not all MIDI devices are created equal! Although the MIDI specification defines a large range of MIDI messages of various kinds, not every MIDI device is required to work in exactly the same way and respond to all the available messages and ways of working. For example, we don't expect a wind synthesiser to work in the same way as a home keyboard. Some devices, the older ones perhaps, are only able to respond to a single channel. With some of those devices that channel can be altered from the default of 1 (probably) to another channel of the 16 possible. Other devices, for instance monophonic synthesisers, are capable of producing just one note at a time, on one MIDI channel. Others can produce many notes spread across many channels. Further devices can respond to, and transmit, "breath controller" data (MIDI controller number 2 (CC#2)) others may respond to the reception of CC#2 but not be able to create and to send it. A controller keyboard may be capable of sending "expression pedal" data, but another device may not be capable of responding to that message. Some devices just have the basic GM sound set. The "voice" or "instrument" is selected using a "Program Change" message on its own. Other devices have a greater selection of voices, usually arranged in "banks", and the choice of instrument is made by responding to "Bank Select MSB" (MIDI controller 0 (CC#0)), others use "Bank Select LSB" (MIDI controller number 32 (CC#32)), yet others use both MSB and LSB sent one after the other, all followed by the Program Change message. The detailed information about all the different voices will usually be available in a published MIDI Data List. MIDI Implementation Chart But in the User Manual there is sometimes a summary of how the device works, in terms of MIDI, in the chart at the back of the manual, the MIDI Implementation Chart. If you require two devices to work together you can compare the two implementation charts to see if they are "compatible". In order to do this we will need to interpret that chart. The chart is divided into four columns headed "Function", "Transmitted" (or "Tx"), "Received" (or "Rx"), or more correctly "Recognised", and finally, "Remarks". <pre> The left hand column defines which MIDI functions are being described. The 2nd column defines what the device in question is capable of transmitting to another device. The 3rd column defines what the device is capable of responding to. The 4th column is for explanations of the values contained within these previous two columns. </pre> There should then be twelve sections, with possibly a thirteenth containing extra "Notes". Finally there should be an explanation of the four MIDI "modes" and what the "X" and the "O" mean. <pre> Mode 1: Omni On, Poly; Mode 2: Omni On, Mono; Mode 3: Omni Off, Poly; Mode 4: Omni Off, Mono. </pre> O means "yes" (implemented), X means "no" (not implemented). Sometimes you will find a row of asterisks "**************", these seem to indicate that the data is not applicable in this case. Seen in the transmitted field only (unless you've seen otherwise). Lastly you may find against some entries an asterisk followed by a number e.g. *1, these will refer you to further information, often on a following page, giving more detail. Basic Channel But the very first set of boxes will tell us the "Basic Channel(s)" that the device sends or receives on. "Default" is what happens when the device is first turned on, "changed" is what a switch of some kind may allow the device to be set to. For many devices e.g. a GM sound module or a home keyboard, this would be 1-16 for both. That is it can handle sending and receiving on all MIDI channels. On other devices, for example a synthesiser, it may by default only work on channel 1. But the keyboard could be "split" with the lower notes e.g. on channel 2. If the synth has an arppegiator, this may be able to be set to transmit and or receive on yet another channel. So we might see the default as "1" but the changed as "1-16". Modes. We need to understand Omni On and Off, and Mono and Poly, then we can decipher the four modes. But first we need to understand that any of these four Mode messages can be sent to any MIDI channel. They don't necessarily apply to the whole device. If we send an "Omni On" message (CC#125) to a MIDI channel of a device, we are, in effect, asking it to respond to e.g. a Note On / Off message pair, received on any of the sixteen channels. Sound strange? Read it again. Still strange? It certainly is. We normally want a MIDI channel to respond only to Note On / Off messages sent on that channel, not any other. In other words, "Omni Off". So "Omni Off" (CC#124) tells a channel of our MIDI device to respond only to messages sent on that MIDI channel. "Poly" (CC#127) is for e.g. a channel of a polyphonic sound module, or a home keyboard, to be able to respond to many simultaneous Note On / Off message pairs at once and produce musical chords. "Mono" (CC#126) allows us to set a channel to respond as if it were e.g. a flute or a trumpet, playing just one note at a time. If the device is capable of it, then the overlapping of notes will produce legato playing, that is the attack portion of the second note of two overlapping notes will be removed resulting in a "smoother" transition. So a channel with a piano voice assigned to it will have Omni Off, Poly On (Mode 3), a channel with a saxophone voice assigned could be Omni Off, Mono On (Mode 4). We call these combinations the four modes, 1 to 4, as defined above. Most modern devices will have their channels set to Mode 3 (Omni Off, Poly) but be switchable, on a per channel basis, to Mode 4 (Omni Off, Mono). This second section of data will include first its default value i.e. upon device switch on. Then what Mode messages are acceptable, or X if none. Finally, in the "Altered" field, how a Mode message that can't be implemented will be interpreted. Usually there will just be a row of asterisks effectively meaning nothing will be done if you try to switch to an unimplemented mode. Note Number <pre> The next row will tell us which MIDI notes the device can send or receive, normally 0-127. The second line, "True Voice" has the following in the MIDI specification: "Range of received note numbers falling within the range of true notes produced by the instrument." My interpretation is that, for instance, a MIDI piano may be capable of sending all MIDI notes (0 to 127) by transposition, but only responding to the 88 notes (21 to 108) of a real piano. </pre> Velocity This will tell us whether the device we're looking at will handle note velocity, and what range from 1-127, or maybe just 64, it transmits or will recognise. So usually "O" plus a range or "X" for not implemented. After touch This may have one or two lines two it. If a one liner the either "O" or "X", yes or no. If a two liner then it may include "Keys" or "Poly" and "Channel". This will show whether the device will respond to Polyphonic after touch or channel after touch or neither. Pitch Bend Again "O" for implemented, "X" for not implemented. (Many stage pianos will have no pitch bend capability.) It may also, in the notes section, state whether it will respond to the full 14 bits, or not, as usually encoded by the pitch bend wheel. Control Change This is likely to be the largest section of the chart. It will list all those controllers, starting from CC#0, Bank Select MSB, which the device is capable of sending, and those that it will respond to using "O" or "X" respectively. You will, almost certainly, get some further explanation of functionality in the remarks column, or in more detail elsewhere in the documentation. Of course you will need to know what all the various controller numbers do. Lots of the official technical specifications can be found at the [www.midi.org/techspecs/ MMA], with the table of messages and control change [www.midi.org/techspecs/midimessages.php message numbers] Program Change Again "O" or "X" in the Transmitted or Recognised column to indicate whether or not the feature is implemented. In addition a range of numbers is shown, typically 0-127, to show what is available. True # (number): "The range of the program change numbers which correspond to the actual number of patches selected." System Exclusive Used to indicate whether or not the device can send or recognise System Exclusive messages. A short description is often given in the Remarks field followed by a detailed explanation elsewhere in the documentation. System Common - These include the following: <pre> MIDI Time Code Quarter Frame messages (device synchronisation). Song Position Pointer Song Select Tune Request </pre> The section will indicate whether or not the device can send or respond to any of these messages. System Real Time These include the following: <pre> Timing Clock - often just written as "Clock" Start Stop Continue </pre> These three are usually just referred to as "Commands" and listed. Again the section will indicate which, if any, of these messages the device can send or respond to. <pre> Aux. Messages Again "O" or "X" for implemented or not. Aux. = Auxiliary. Active Sense = Active Sensing. </pre> Often with an explanation of the action of the device. Notes The "Notes" section can contain any additional comments to clarify the particular implementation. Some of the explanations have been drawn directly from the MMA MIDI 1.0 Detailed Specification. And the detailed explanation of some of the functions will be found there, or in the General MIDI System Level 1 or General MIDI System Level 2 documents also published by the MMA. OFFICIAL MIDI SPECIFICATIONS SUMMARY OF MIDI MESSAGES Table 1 - Summary of MIDI Messages The following table lists the major MIDI messages in numerical (binary) order (adapted from "MIDI by the Numbers" by D. Valenti, Electronic Musician 2/88, and updated by the MIDI Manufacturers Association.). This table is intended as an overview of MIDI, and is by no means complete. WARNING! Details about implementing these messages can dramatically impact compatibility with other products. We strongly recommend consulting the official MIDI Specifications for additional information. MIDI 1.0 Specification Message Summary Channel Voice Messages [nnnn = 0-15 (MIDI Channel Number 1-16)] {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Status D7----D0 ! width="10%" |Data Byte(s) D7----D0 ! width="20%" |Description |- |<!--Status-->1000nnnn || <!--Data-->0kkkkkkk 0vvvvvvv || <!--Description-->Note Off event. This message is sent when a note is released (ended). (kkkkkkk) is the key (note) number. (vvvvvvv) is the velocity. |- |<!--Status-->1001nnnn || <!--Data-->0kkkkkkk 0vvvvvvv || <!--Description-->Note On event. This message is sent when a note is depressed (start). (kkkkkkk) is the key (note) number. (vvvvvvv) is the velocity. |- |<!--Status-->1010nnnn || <!--Data-->0kkkkkkk 0vvvvvvv || <!--Description-->Polyphonic Key Pressure (Aftertouch). This message is most often sent by pressing down on the key after it "bottoms out". (kkkkkkk) is the key (note) number. (vvvvvvv) is the pressure value. |- |<!--Status-->1011nnnn || <!--Data-->0ccccccc 0vvvvvvv || <!--Description-->Control Change. This message is sent when a controller value changes. Controllers include devices such as pedals and levers. Controller numbers 120-127 are reserved as "Channel Mode Messages" (below). (ccccccc) is the controller number (0-119). (vvvvvvv) is the controller value (0-127). |- |<!--Status-->1100nnnn || <!--Data-->0ppppppp || <!--Description-->Program Change. This message sent when the patch number changes. (ppppppp) is the new program number. |- |<!--Status-->1101nnnn || <!--Data-->0vvvvvvv || <!--Description-->Channel Pressure (After-touch). This message is most often sent by pressing down on the key after it "bottoms out". This message is different from polyphonic after-touch. Use this message to send the single greatest pressure value (of all the current depressed keys). (vvvvvvv) is the pressure value. |- |<!--Status-->1110nnnn || <!--Data-->0lllllll 0mmmmmmm || <!--Description-->Pitch Bend Change. This message is sent to indicate a change in the pitch bender (wheel or lever, typically). The pitch bender is measured by a fourteen bit value. Center (no pitch change) is 2000H. Sensitivity is a function of the receiver, but may be set using RPN 0. (lllllll) are the least significant 7 bits. (mmmmmmm) are the most significant 7 bits. |} Channel Mode Messages (See also Control Change, above) {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Status D7----D0 ! width="10%" |Data Byte(s) D7----D0 ! width="20%" |Description |- |<!--Status-->1011nnnn || <!--Data-->0ccccccc 0vvvvvvv || <!--Description-->Channel Mode Messages. This the same code as the Control Change (above), but implements Mode control and special message by using reserved controller numbers 120-127. The commands are: *All Sound Off. When All Sound Off is received all oscillators will turn off, and their volume envelopes are set to zero as soon as possible c = 120, v = 0: All Sound Off *Reset All Controllers. When Reset All Controllers is received, all controller values are reset to their default values. (See specific Recommended Practices for defaults) c = 121, v = x: Value must only be zero unless otherwise allowed in a specific Recommended Practice. *Local Control. When Local Control is Off, all devices on a given channel will respond only to data received over MIDI. Played data, etc. will be ignored. Local Control On restores the functions of the normal controllers. c = 122, v = 0: Local Control Off c = 122, v = 127: Local Control On * All Notes Off. When an All Notes Off is received, all oscillators will turn off. c = 123, v = 0: All Notes Off (See text for description of actual mode commands.) c = 124, v = 0: Omni Mode Off c = 125, v = 0: Omni Mode On c = 126, v = M: Mono Mode On (Poly Off) where M is the number of channels (Omni Off) or 0 (Omni On) c = 127, v = 0: Poly Mode On (Mono Off) (Note: These four messages also cause All Notes Off) |} System Common Messages System Messages (0xF0) The final status nybble is a “catch all” for data that doesn’t fit the other statuses. They all use the most significant nybble (4bits) of 0xF, with the least significant nybble indicating the specific category. The messages are denoted when the MSB of the second nybble is 1. When that bit is a 0, the messages fall into two other subcategories. System Common If the MSB of the second second nybble (4 bits) is not set, this indicates a System Common message. Most of these are messages that include some additional data bytes. System Common Messages Type Status Byte Number of Data Bytes Usage <pre> Time Code Quarter Frame 0xF1 1 Indicates timing using absolute time code, primarily for synthronization with video playback systems. A single location requires eight messages to send the location in an encoded hours:minutes:seconds:frames format*. Song Position 0xF2 2 Instructs a sequencer to jump to a new position in the song. The data bytes form a 14-bit value that expresses the location as the number of sixteenth notes from the start of the song. Song Select 0xF3 1 Instructs a sequencer to select a new song. The data byte indicates the song. Undefined 0xF4 0 Undefined 0xF5 0 Tune Request 0xF6 0 Requests that the receiver retunes itself**. </pre> *MIDI Time Code (MTC) is significantly complex. Please see the MIDI Specification **While modern digital instruments are good at staying in tune, older analog synthesizers were prone to tuning drift. Some analog synthesizers had an automatic tuning operation that could be initiated with this command. System Exclusive If you’ve been keeping track, you’ll notice there are two status bytes not yet defined: 0xf0 and 0xf7. These are used by the System Exclusive message, often abbreviated at SysEx. SysEx provides a path to send arbitrary data over a MIDI connection. There is a group of predefined messages for complex data, like fine grained control of MIDI Time code machinery. SysEx is also used to send manufacturer defined data, such as patches, or even firmware updates. System Exclusive messages are longer than other MIDI messages, and can be any length. The messages are of the following format: 0xF0, 0xID, 0xdd, ...... 0xF7 The message is bookended with distinct bytes. It opens with the Start Of Exclusive (SOX) data byte, 0xF0. The next one to three bytes after the start are an identifier. Values from 0x01 to 0x7C are one-byte vendor IDs, assigned to manufacturers who were involved with MIDI at the beginning. If the ID is 0x00, it’s a three-byte vendor ID - the next two bytes of the message are the value. <pre> ID 0x7D is a placeholder for non-commercial entities. ID 0x7E indicates a predefined Non-realtime SysEx message. ID 0x7F indicates a predefined Realtime SysEx message. </pre> After the ID is the data payload, sent as a stream of bytes. The transfer concludes with the End of Exclusive (EOX) byte, 0xF7. The payload data must follow the guidelines for MIDI data bytes – the MSB must not be set, so only 7 bits per byte are actually usable. If the MSB is set, it falls into three possible scenarios. An End of Exclusive byte marks the ordinary termination of the SysEx transfer. System Real Time messages may occur within the transfer without interrupting it. The recipient should handle them independently of the SysEx transfer. Other status bytes implicitly terminate the SysEx transfer and signal the start of new messages. Some inexpensive USB-to-MIDI interfaces aren’t capable of handling messages longer than four bytes. {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Status D7----D0 ! width="10%" |Data Byte(s) D7----D0 ! width="20%" |Description |- |<!--Status-->11110000 || <!--Data-->0iiiiiii [0iiiiiii 0iiiiiii] 0ddddddd --- --- 0ddddddd 11110111 || <!--Description-->System Exclusive. This message type allows manufacturers to create their own messages (such as bulk dumps, patch parameters, and other non-spec data) and provides a mechanism for creating additional MIDI Specification messages. The Manufacturer's ID code (assigned by MMA or AMEI) is either 1 byte (0iiiiiii) or 3 bytes (0iiiiiii 0iiiiiii 0iiiiiii). Two of the 1 Byte IDs are reserved for extensions called Universal Exclusive Messages, which are not manufacturer-specific. If a device recognizes the ID code as its own (or as a supported Universal message) it will listen to the rest of the message (0ddddddd). Otherwise, the message will be ignored. (Note: Only Real-Time messages may be interleaved with a System Exclusive.) |- |<!--Status-->11110001 || <!--Data-->0nnndddd || <!--Description-->MIDI Time Code Quarter Frame. nnn = Message Type dddd = Values |- |<!--Status-->11110010 || <!--Data-->0lllllll 0mmmmmmm || <!--Description-->Song Position Pointer. This is an internal 14 bit register that holds the number of MIDI beats (1 beat= six MIDI clocks) since the start of the song. l is the LSB, m the MSB. |- |<!--Status-->11110011 || <!--Data-->0sssssss || <!--Description-->Song Select. The Song Select specifies which sequence or song is to be played. |- |<!--Status-->11110100 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Undefined. (Reserved) |- |<!--Status-->11110101 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Undefined. (Reserved) |- |<!--Status-->11110110 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Tune Request. Upon receiving a Tune Request, all analog synthesizers should tune their oscillators. |- |<!--Status-->11110111 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->End of Exclusive. Used to terminate a System Exclusive dump. |} System Real-Time Messages {| class="wikitable sortable" width="90%" ! width="10%" |Status D7----D0 ! width="10%" |Data Byte(s) D7----D0 ! width="20%" |Description |- |<!--Status-->11111000 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Timing Clock. Sent 24 times per quarter note when synchronization is required. |- |<!--Status-->11111001 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Undefined. (Reserved) |- |<!--Status-->11111010 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Start. Start the current sequence playing. (This message will be followed with Timing Clocks). |- |<!--Status-->11111011 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Continue. Continue at the point the sequence was Stopped. |- |<!--Status-->11111100 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Stop. Stop the current sequence. |- |<!--Status-->11111101 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Undefined. (Reserved) |- |<!--Status-->11111110 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Active Sensing. This message is intended to be sent repeatedly to tell the receiver that a connection is alive. Use of this message is optional. When initially received, the receiver will expect to receive another Active Sensing message each 300ms (max), and if it does not then it will assume that the connection has been terminated. At termination, the receiver will turn off all voices and return to normal (non- active sensing) operation. |- |<!--Status-->11111111 || <!--Data--> || <!--Description-->Reset. Reset all receivers in the system to power-up status. This should be used sparingly, preferably under manual control. In particular, it should not be sent on power-up. |} Advanced Messages Polyphonic Pressure (0xA0) and Channel Pressure (0xD0) Some MIDI controllers include a feature known as Aftertouch. While a key is being held down, the player can press harder on the key. The controller measures this, and converts it into MIDI messages. Aftertouch comes in two flavors, with two different status messages. The first flavor is polyphonic aftertouch, where every key on the controller is capable of sending its own independent pressure information. The messages are of the following format: <pre> 0xnc, 0xkk, 0xpp n is the status (0xA) c is the channel nybble kk is the key number (0 to 127) pp is the pressure value (0 to 127) </pre> Polyphonic aftertouch is an uncommon feature, usually found on premium quality instruments, because every key requires a separate pressure sensor, plus the circuitry to read them all. Much more commonly found is channel aftertouch. Instead of needing a discrete sensor per key, it uses a single, larger sensor to measure pressure on all of the keys as a group. The messages omit the key number, leaving a two-byte format <pre> 0xnc, 0xpp n is the status (0xD) c is the channel number pp is the pressure value (0 to 127) </pre> Pitch Bend (0xE0) Many keyboards have a wheel or lever towards the left of the keys for pitch bend control. This control is usually spring-loaded, so it snaps back to the center of its range when released. This allows for both upward and downward bends. Pitch Bend Wheel The wheel sends pitch bend messages, of the format <pre> 0xnc, 0xLL, 0xMM n is the status (0xE) c is the channel number LL is the 7 least-significant bits of the value MM is the 7 most-significant bits of the value </pre> You’ll notice that the bender data is actually 14 bits long, transmitted as two 7-bit data bytes. This means that the recipient needs to reassemble those bytes using binary manipulation. 14 bits results in an overall range of 214, or 0 to 16,383. Because it defaults to the center of the range, the default value for the bender is halfway through that range, at 8192 (0x2000). Control Change (0xB0) In addition to pitch bend, MIDI has provisions for a wider range of expressive controls, sometimes known as continuous controllers, often abbreviated CC. These are transmitted by the remaining knobs and sliders on the keyboard controller shown below. Continuous Controllers These controls send the following message format: <pre> 0xnc, 0xcc, 0xvv n is the status (0xB) c is the MIDI channel cc is the controller number (0-127) vv is the controller value (0-127) </pre> Typically, the wheel next to the bender sends controller number one, assigned to modulation (or vibrato) depth. It is implemented by most instruments. The remaining controller number assignments are another point of confusion. The MIDI specification was revised in version 2.0 to assign uses for many of the controllers. However, this implementation is not universal, and there are ranges of unassigned controllers. On many modern MIDI devices, the controllers are assignable. On the controller keyboard shown in the photos, the various controls can be configured to transmit different controller numbers. Controller numbers can be mapped to particular parameters. Virtual synthesizers frequently allow the user to assign CCs to the on-screen controls. This is very flexible, but it might require configuration on both ends of the link and completely bypasses the assignments in the standard. Program Change (0xC0) Most synthesizers have patch storage memory, and can be told to change patches using the following command: <pre> 0xnc, 0xpp n is the status (0xc) c is the channel pp is the patch number (0-127) </pre> This allows for 128 sounds to be selected, but modern instruments contain many more than 128 patches. Controller #0 is used as an additional layer of addressing, interpreted as a “bank select” command. Selecting a sound on such an instrument might involve two messages: a bank select controller message, then a program change. Audio & Midi are not synchronized, what I can do ? Buy a commercial software package but there is a nasty trick to synchronize both. It's a bit hardcore but works for me: Simply put one line down to all midi notes on your pattern (use Insert key) and go to 'Misc. Setup', adjust the latency and just search a value that will make sound sync both audio/midi. The stock Sin/Saw/Pulse and Rnd waveforms are too simple/common, is there a way to use something more complex/rich ? You have to ability to redirect the waveforms of the instruments through the synth pipe by selecting the "wav" option for the oscillator you're using for this synth instrument, samples can be used as wavetables to replace the stock signals. Sound banks like soundfont (sf2) or Kontakt2 are not supported at the moment ====DAW Audio Evolution 4==== Audio Evolution 4 gives you unsurpassed power for digital audio recording and editing on the Amiga. The latest release focusses on time-saving non-linear and non-destructive editing, as seen on other platforms. Besides editing, Audio Evolution 4 offers a wide range of realtime effects, including compression, noise gate, delays, reverb, chorus and 3-band EQ. Whether you put them as inserts on a channel or use them as auxillaries, the effect parameters are realtime adjustable and can be fully automated. Together with all other mixing parameters, they can even be controlled remotely, using more ergonomic MIDI hardware. Non-linear editing on the time line, including cut, copy, paste, move, split, trim and crossfade actions The number of tracks per project(s) is unlimited .... AHI limits you to recording only two at a time. i.e. not on 8 track sound cards like the Juli@ or Phase 88. sample file import is limited to 16bit AIFF (not AIFC, important distinction as some files from other sources can be AIFC with aiff file extention). and 16bit WAV (pcm only) Most apps use the Music Unit only but a few apps also use Unit (0-3) instead or as well. * Set up AHI prefs so that microphone is available. (Input option near the bottom) stereo++ allows the audio piece to be placed anywhere and the left-right adjusted to sound positionally right hifi best for music playback if driver supports this option Load 16bit .aif .aiff only sample(s) to use not AIFC which can have the same ending. AIFF stands for Audio Interchange File Format sox recital.wav recital.aiff sox recital.wav −b 16 recital.aiff channels 1 rate 16k fade 3 norm sox input.wav output.aiff bass −b 16 rate 48k performs the same format translation, but also applies four effects (down-mix to one channel, sample rate change, fade-in, nomalize), and stores the result at a bit-depth of 16. rec −c 2 radio.aiff trim 0 30:00 records half an hour of stereo audio play existing-file.wav 24bit PCM WAV or AIFF do not work *No stream format handling. So no way to pass on an AC3 encoded stream unmodified to the digital outputs through AHI. *No master volume handling. Each application has to set its own volume. So each driver implements its own custom driver-mixer interface for handling master volumes, mute and preamps. *Only one output stream. So all input gets mixed into one output. *No automatic handling of output direction based on connected cables. *No monitor input selection. Only monitor volume control. select the correct input (Don't mistake enabled sound for the correct input.) The monitor will feedback audio to the lineout and hp out no matter if you have selected the correct input to the ADC. The monitor will provide sound for any valid input. This will result in free mixing when recording from the monitor input instead of mic/line because the monitor itself will provide the hardware mixing for you. Be aware that MIC inputs will give two channel mono. Only Linein will give real stereo. Now for the not working part. Attempt to record from linein in the AE4 record window, the right channel is noise and the left channel is distorted. Even with the recommended HIFI 16bit Stereo++ mode at 48kHz. Channels Monitor Gain Inout Output Advanced settings - Debugging via serial port * Options -> Soundcard In/Out * Options -> SampleRate * Options -> Preferences F6 for Sample File List Setting a grid is easy as is measuring the BPM by marking a section of the sample. Is your kick drum track "not in time" ? If so, you're stumped in AE4 as it has no fancy variable time signatures and definitely no 'track this dodgy rhythm' function like software of the nature of Logic has. So if your drum beat is freeform you will need to work in freeform mode. (Real music is free form anyway). If the drum *is* accurate and you are just having trouble measuring the time, I usually measure over a range of bars and set the number of beats in range to say 16 as this is more accurate, Then you will need to shift the drum track to match your grid *before* applying the grid. (probably an iterative process as when the grid is active samples snap to it, and when inactive you cannot see it). AE4 does have ARexx but the functions are more for adding samples at set offsets and starting playback / recording. These are the usual features found in DAWs... * Recording digital audio, midi sequencer and mixer * virtual VST instruments and plug-ins * automation, group channels, MIDI channels, FX sends and returns, audio and MIDI editors and music notation editor * different track views * mixer and track layout (but not the same as below) * traditional two windows (track and mixer) Mixing - mixdown Could not figure out how to select what part I wanted to send to the aux, set it to echo and return. Pretty much the whole echo effect. Or any effect. Take look at page17 of the manual. When you open the EQ / Aux send popup window you will see 4 sends. Now from the menu choose the windows menu. Menus->Windows-> Aux Returns Window or press F5 You will see a small window with 4 volume controls and an effects button for each. Click a button and add an effects to that aux channel, then set it up as desired (note the reverb effect has a special AUX setting that improves its use with the aux channel, not compulsory but highly useful). You set the amount of 'return' on the main mix in the Aux Return window, and the amount sent from each main mixer channel in the popup for that channel. Again the aux sends are "prefade" so the volume faders on each channel do not affect them. Tracking Effects - fade in To add some echoes to some vocals, tried to add an effect on a track but did not come out. This is made more complicated as I wanted to mute a vocal but then make it echo at the muting point. Want to have one word of a vocal heard and then echoed off. But when the track is mute the echo is cancelled out. To correctly understand what is happening here you need to study the figure at the bottom of page 15 on the manual. You will see from that that the effects are applied 'prefade' So the automation you applied will naturally mute the entire signal. There would be a number of ways to achieve the goal, You have three real time effects slots, one for smoothing like so Sample -> Amplify -> Delay Then automate the gain of the amplify block so that it effectively mutes the sample just before the delay at the appropriate moment, the echo effect should then be heard. Getting the effects in the right order will require experimentation as they can only be added top down and it's not obvious which order they are applied to the signal, but there only two possibilities, so it wont take long to find out. Using MUTE can cause clicks to the Amplify can be used to mute more smoothly so that's a secondary advantage. Signal Processing - Overdub [[#top|...to the top]] ===Office=== ====Spreadsheet Leu==== Support for some xlsx, and ods functions ====Spreadsheet Ignition==== ; Needs ABIv1 to be completed before more can be done File formats supported * ascii #?.txt and #?.csv (single sheets with data only). * igs and TurboCalc(WIP) #?.tc for all sheets with data, formats and formulas. There is '''no''' support for xls, xlsx, ods or uos ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Office_Format Uniform Unified Office Format]) at the moment. * Always use Esc key after editing Spreadsheet cells. * copy/paste seems to copy the first instance only so go to Edit -> Clipboard to manage the list of remembered actions. * Right mouse click on row (1 or 2 or 3) or column header (a or b or c) to access optimal height or width of the row or column respectively * Edit -> Insert -> Row seems to clear the spreadsheet or clears the rows after the inserted row until undo restores as it should be... Change Sheet name by Object -> Sheet -> Properties Click in the cell which will contain the result, and click '''down arrow button''' to the right of the formula box at the bottom of the spreadsheet and choose the function required from the list provided. Then click on the start cell and click on the bottom right corner, a '''very''' small blob, which allows stretching a bounding box (thick grey outlines) across many cells This grey bounding box can be used to '''copy a formula''' to other cells. Object -> Cell -> Properties to change cell format - Currency only covers DM and not $, Euro, Renminbi, Yen or Pound etc. Shift key and arrow keys selects a range of cells, so that '''formatting can be done to all highlighted cells'''. View -> Overview then select ALL with one click (in empty cell in the top left hand corner of the sheet). Default mode is relative cell referencing e.g. a1+a2 but absolute e.g. $a$1+$a$2 can be entered. * #sheet-name to '''absolute''' reference another sheet-name cell unless reference() function used. ;Graphs use shift key and arrow keys to select a bunch of cells to be graph'ed making sure that x axes represents and y axes represents * value() - 0 value, 1 percent, 2 date, 3 time, 4 unit ... ;Dates * Excel starts a running count from the 1st Jan 1900 and Ignition starts from 1st Jan 1AD '''(maybe this needs to change)''' Set formatting Object -> Cell -> Properties and put date in days ;Time Set formatting Object -> Cell -> Properties and put time in seconds taken ;Database (to be done by someone else) type - standard, reference (bezug), search criterion (suchkriterium), * select a bunch of cells and Object -> Database -> Define to set Datenbank (database) and Felder (fields not sure how?) * Neu (new) or loschen (delete) to add/remove database headings e.g. Personal, Start Date, Finish Date (one per row?) * Object -> Database -> Index to add fields (felder) like Surname, First Name, Employee ID, etc. to ? Filtering done with dbfilter(), dbproduct() and dbposition(). Activities with dbsum(), dbaverage(), dbmin() and dbmax(). Table sorting - ;Scripts (Arexx) ;Excel(TM) to Ignition - commas ''',''' replaced by semi-colons ''';''' to separate values within functions *SUM(), *AVERAGE(), MAX(), MIN(), INT(), PRODUCT(), MEDIAN(), VAR() becomes Variance(), Percentile(), *IF(), AND, OR, NOT *LEFT(), RIGHT(), MID() becomes MIDDLE(), LEN() becomes LENGTH(), *LOWER() becomes LOWERCASE(), UPPER() becomes UPPERCASE(), * DATE(yyyy,mm,dd) becomes COMPUTEDATE(dd;mm;yyyy), *TODAY(), DAY(),WEEK(), MONTH(),=YEAR(TODAY()), *EOMONTH() becomes MONTHLENGTH(), *NOW() should be date and time becomes time only, SECOND(), MINUTE(), HOUR(), *DBSUM() becomes DSUM(), ;Missing and possibly useful features/functions needed for ignition to have better support of Excel files There is no Merge and Join Text over many cells, no protect and/or freeze row or columns or books but can LOCK sheets, no define bunch of cells as a name, Macros (Arexx?), conditional formatting, no Solver, no Goal Seek, no Format Painter, no AutoFill, no AutoSum function button, no pivot tables, (30 argument limit applies to Excel) *HLOOKUP(), VLOOKUP(), [http://production-scheduling.com/excel-index-function-most-useful/ INDEX(), MATCH()], CHOOSE(), TEXT(), *TRIM(), FIND(), SUBSTITUTE(), CONCATENATE() or &, PROPER(), REPT(), *[https://acingexcel.com/excel-sumproduct-function/ SUMPRODUCT()], ROUND(), ROUNDUP(), *ROUNDDOWN(), COUNT(), COUNTA(), SUMIF(), COUNTIF(), COUNTBLANK(), TRUNC(), *PMT(), PV(), FV(), POWER(), SQRT(), MODE(), TRUE, FALSE, *MODE(), LARGE(), SMALL(), RANK(), STDEV(), *DCOUNT(), DCOUNTA(), WEEKDAY(), ;Excel Keyboard [http://dmcritchie.mvps.org/excel/shortx2k.htm shortcuts needed to aid usability in Ignition] <pre> Ctrl Z - Undo Ctrl D - Fill Down Ctrl R - Fill right Ctrl F - Find Ctrl H - Replace Ctrl 1 - Formatting of Cells CTRL SHIFT ~ Apply General Formatting ie a number Ctrl ; - Todays Date F2 - Edit cell F4 - toggle cell absolute / relative cell references </pre> ====Document Scanning - Scandal==== Scanner usually needs to be connected via a USB port and not via a hub or extension lead. Check in Trident Prefs -> Devices that the USB Scanner is not bound to anything (e.g. Bindings None) If not found then reboot the computer and recheck. Start Scandal, choose Settings from Menu strip at top of screen and in Scanner Driver choose the ?#.device of the scanner (e.g. epson2.device). The next two boxes - leave empty as they are for morphos SCSI use only or put ata.device (use the selection option in bigger box below) and Unit as 0 this is needed for gt68xx * gt68xx - no editing needed in s/gt68xx.conf but needs a firmware file that corresponds to the scanner [http://www.meier-geinitz.de/sane/gt68xx-backend/ gt68xx firmwares] in sys:s/gt68xx. * epson2 - Need to edit the file epson2.conf in sys/s that corresponds to the scanner being used '''Save''' the settings but do not press the Use button (aros freezes) Back to the Picture Scan window and the right-hand sections. Click on the '''Information''' tab and press Connect button and the scanner should now be detected. Go next to the '''Scanner''' tab next to Information Tab should have Color, Black and White, etc. and dpi settings now. Selecting an option Color, B/W etc. can cause dpi settings corruption (especially if the settings are in one line) so set '''dpi first'''. Make sure if Preview is set or not. In the '''Scan''' Tab, press Scan and the scanner will do its duty. Be aware that nothing is saved to disk yet. In the Save tab, change format JPEG, PNG or IFF DEEP. Tick incremental and base filename if necessary and then click the Save button. The image will now be saved to permanent storage. The driver ignores a device if it is already bond to another USB class, rejects it from being usable. However, open Trident prefs, select your device and use the right mouse button to open. Select "NONE" to prevent poseidon from touching the device. Now save settings. It should always work now. [[#top|...to the top]] ===Emulators=== ==== Amiberry ==== ==== Amiga Emu - Janus UAE ==== With Amibridge, AROS attempts to make the UAE emulator seem embedded within but it still is acting as an app There is no dynarec m68k for each hardware that Aros supports or direct patching of motorola calls to AROS hardware accelerated ones unless the emulator has that included Try starting Janus with a priority of -1 like this little script: <pre> cd sys:system/AmiBridge/emulator changetaskpri -1 run janus-uae -f my_uaerc.config >nil: cd sys:prefs endcli </pre> This stops Janus hogging all the CPU time. ===Miscellaneous=== ====Screensaver Blanker==== Most blankers on the amiga (i.e. aros) run as commodities (they are in the tools/commodities drawer). Double click on blanker. Control is with an app called Exchange, which you need to run first (double click on app) or run QUIET sys:tools/commodities/Exchange >NIL: but subsequently can use (Cntrl Alt h). Icon tool types (may be broken) or command line options <pre> seconds=number </pre> Once the timing is right then add the following to s:icaros-sequence or s:user-startup e.g. for 5 minutes run QUIET sys:tools/commodities/Blanker seconds=300 >NIL: *[http://archives.aros-exec.org/index.php?function=showfile&file=graphics/screenblanker/gblanker.i386-aros.zip Garshneblanker] can make Aros unstable or slow. Certain blankers crashes in Icaros 2.0.x like Dragon, Executor. *[ Acuario AROS version], the aquarium screen saver. Startup: extras:acuariofv-aros/acuario Kill: c:break name=extras:acuariofv-aros/acuario Managed to start Acuario by the Executor blanker. <pre> cx_priority= cx_popkey= ie CX_POPKEY="Shift F1" cx_popup=Yes or No </pre> <pre> Qualifier String Input Event Class ---------------- ----------------- "lshift" IEQUALIFIER_LSHIFT "rshift" IEQUALIFIER_RSHIFT "capslock" IEQUALIFIER_CAPSLOCK "control" IEQUALIFIER_CONTROL "lalt" IEQUALIFIER_LALT "ralt" IEQUALIFIER_RALT "lcommand" IEQUALIFIER_LCOMMAND "rcommand" IEQUALIFIER_RCOMMAND "numericpad" IEQUALIFIER_NUMERICPAD "repeat" IEQUALIFIER_REPEAT "midbutton" IEQUALIFIER_MIDBUTTON "rbutton" IEQUALIFIER_RBUTTON "leftbutton" IEQUALIFIER_LEFTBUTTON "relativemouse" IEQUALIFIER_RELATIVEMOUSE </pre> <pre> Synonym Synonym String Identifier ------- ---------- "shift" IXSYM_SHIFT /* look for either shift key */ "caps" IXSYM_CAPS /* look for either shift key or capslock */ "alt" IXSYM_ALT /* look for either alt key */ Highmap is one of the following strings: "space", "backspace", "tab", "enter", "return", "esc", "del", "up", "down", "right", "left", "f1", "f2", "f3", "f4", "f5", "f6", "f7", "f8", "f9", "f10", "help". </pre> [[#top|...to the top]] ==== World Construction Set WCS (Version 2.031) ==== WCS is a fractal landscape software such as Scenery Animator, Vista Pro and Panorama. Open sourced February 2022, World Construction Set [https://3dnature.com/downloads/legacy-software/ legally and for free] and [https://github.com/AlphaPixel/3DNature c source]. Announced August 1994 this version dates from April 1996 developed by Gary R. Huber and Chris "Xenon" Hanson" from Questar <pre> Assign "WCSProjects:" "Volume:Dir/Dir/WCSProjects" Assign "WCSFrames:" "Volume:Dir/Dir/WCSFrames" </pre> <pre> Load projects .proj by accessing pull down menu Project -> Open then click on CanyonSunset.proj OK to changing .par file and enlarge Status Log window to show what is happening Render by pull down menu Modules -> Render with End equal 1 not 300 then click bottom middle button Render </pre> [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxQDmf1ZWG0 Youtube walkthrough of above], [], [], Also try working with the already built file ColoDemo - Then open with the drop-down menu: Project/Open, then WCSProject:ColoDemo.proj Which allows you to use altimetric DEM files already included and Loading scene parameters from ColoDemo.par Once this is done, save everything with a new name to start working exclusively on your project. Then drop-down menu and select Save As ("NewName".proj name), then drop-down menu to open parameter and select Save All ( .par name) After launching the software, there is a the Module Control Panel composed of five icons. It is a dock type shortcut of the first few functions of the drop-down menu *Database - Load (#?.proj), Append, Create, Edit, Save, Dir List (of WCSProject drawer), *Data Ops - Extract / Convert Interp DEM, Import DLG, DXF, WDB and export LW map 3d formats *Map View - Database file Loader leading to Map View Control with option to the Database Editor *Parameters - Editor for Motion, Color, Ecosystem, Clouds, Waves, management of altimeter files DEM, sclock settings etc *Render - rendering terrain These are more in the pull down menu but not in the dock *Motion Editor *Color Editor *Ecosys Editor Simple minimal workflow *Load database (1st icon - 1st) *Set parameters and save .par file (4th icon) *Render scene (5th icon) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbTwwR2qcc4 Youtube], [], <pre> .proj new project name which creates a drawer of additional files .binary array, ascii array .xyz , z buffer, DTED .dt0, vista 1990s dem, iff conversion .Obj with .elev, .frd with .hdr maps, - digital elevation model (DEM) is a 3D representation of elevation data in various formats USGS 7.5MinDEM, .par </pre> Since for the time being no project is loaded, a query window indicates a procedural error when clicking on the rendering icon (right end of the bar). The menu is quite traditional; it varies according to the activity of the windows. To display any altimetric file in the "Mapview" (third icon of the panel), There are three possibilities: * Loading of a demonstration project. * The import of a DEM file, followed by texturing and packaging from the "Database-Editor" and the "Color-Editor". * The creation of an altimetric file in WCS format, then texturing. The altimeter file editing (display in the menu) is only made possible if the "Mapview" window is active. The software is made up of many windows and won't be able to describe them all. Know that "Color-Editor" and the "Data-Editor" comprise sufficient functions for obtaining an almost real rendering quality. You have the possibility of inserting vector objects in the "Data-Editor" (creation of roads, railways, etc.) The Map View (MapView) window *Database - Objects and Topos *View - Align, Center, Zoom, Pan, Move *Draw - Maps and distance *Object - Find, highlight, add points, conform topo, duplicate *Motion - Camera, Focus, path, elevation *Windows - DEM designer, Cloud (.cld) and wave (.wve) editor, You will notice that by selecting this window and simply moving the pointer to various points on the map you will see latitude and longitude values ​​change, along with the height. Drop-down menu and Modules, then select MapView and change the width of the window with the map to arrange it in the best way on the screen. With the Auto button the center. Window that then displays the contents of my DEM file, in this case the Grand Canyon. MapView allows you to observe the shape of the landscape from above ZOOM button Press the Zoom button and then with the pointer position on a point on the map, press the left mouse button and then move to the opposite corner to circumscribe the chosen area and press the left mouse button again, then we will see the enlarged area selected on the map. Would add that there is a box next to the Zoom button that allows the direct insertion of a value which, the larger it is, the smaller the magnification and the smaller the value, the stronger the magnification. At each numerical change you will need to press the DRAW button to update the view. PAN button Under Zoom you will find the PAN button which allows you to move the map at will in all directions by the amount you want. This is done by drawing a line in one direction, then press PAN and point to an area on the map with the pointer and press the left mouse button. At this point, leave it and move the pointer in one direction by drawing a line and press the left mouse button again to trigger the movement of the map on the screen (origin and end points). Do some experiments and then use the Auto button immediately below to recenter everything. There are parameters such as TOPO, VEC to be left checked and immediately below one that allows different views of the map with the Style command (Single, Multi, Surface, Emboss, Slope, Contour), each with its own particularities to highlight different details. Now you have the first basics to manage your project visually on the map. Close the MapView window and go further... Let's start working on ECOSYSTEMS If we select Emboss from the MapView Style command we will have a clear idea of ​​how the landscape appears, realizing that it is a predominantly desert region of our planet. Therefore we will begin to act on any vegetation present and the appearance of the landscape. With WCS we will begin to break down the elements of the landscape by assigning defined characteristics. It will be necessary to determine the classes of the ecosystem (Class) with parameters of Elevation Line (maximum altitude), Relative Elevation (arrangement on basins or convexities with respectively positive or negative parameters), Min Slope and Max Slope (slope). WCS offers the possibility of making ecosystems coexist on the same terrain with the UnderEco function, by setting a Density value. Ecosys Ecosystem Editor Let's open it from Modules, then Ecosys Editor. In the left pane you will find the list of ecosystems referring to the files present in our project. It will be necessary to clean up that box to leave only the Water and Snow landscapes and a few other predefined ones. We can do this by selecting the items and pressing the Remove button (be careful not for all elements the button is activated, therefore they cannot all be eliminated). Once this is done we can start adding new ecosystems. Scroll through the various Unused and as soon as the Name item at the top is activated allowing you to write, type the name of your ecosystem, adding the necessary parameters. <pre> Ecosystem1: Name: RockBase Class: Rock Density: 80 MinSlope: 15 UnderEco: Terrain Ecosystem2: Name: RockIncl Clss: Rock Density: 80 MinSlope: 30 UnderEco: Terrain Ecosystem3: Name: Grass Class Low Veg Density: 50 Height: 1 Elev Line : 1500 Rel El Eff: 5 Max Slope: 10 – Min Slope: 0 UnderEco: Terrain Ecosistema4: Name: Shrubs Class: Low Veg Density: 40 Height: 8 Elev Line: 3000 Rel El Eff: -2 Max Slope: 20 Min Slope : 5 UnderEco: Terrain Ecosistema5: Name: Terrain Class: Ground Density: 100 UnderEco: Terrain </pre> Now we need to identify an intermediate ecosystem that guarantees a smooth transition between all, therefore we select as Understory Ecosystem the one called Terrain in all ecosystems, except Snow and Water . Now we need to 'emerge' the Colorado River in the Canyon and we can do this by raising the sea level to 900 (Sea Level) in the Ecosystem called Water. Please note that the order of the ecosystem list gives priority to those that come after. So our list must have the following order: Water, Snow, Shrubs, RockIncl, RockBase, Terrain. It is possible to carry out all movements with the Swap button at the bottom. To put order you can also press Short List. Press Keep to confirm all the work done so far with Ecosystem Editor. Remember every now and then to save both the Project 'Modules/Save' and 'Parameter/Save All' EcoModels are made up of .etp .fgp .iff8 for each model Color Editor Now it's time to define the colors of our scene and we can do this by going to Modules and then Color Editor. In the list we focus on our ecosystems, created first. Let's go to the bottom of the list and select the first white space, assigning the name 'empty1', with a color we like and then we will find this element again in other environments... It could serve as an example for other situations! So we move to 'grass' which already exists and assign the following colors: R 60 G 70 B50 <pre> 'shrubs': R 60 G 80 B 30 'RockIncl' R 110 G 65 B 60 'RockBase' R 110 G 80 B 80 ' Terrain' R 150 G 30 B 30 <pre> Now we can work on pre-existing colors <pre> 'SunLight' R 150 G 130 B 130 'Haze and Fog' R 190 G 170 B 170 'Horizon' R 209 G 185 B 190 'Zenith' R 140 G 150 B 200 'Water' R 90 G 125 B 170 </pre> Ambient R 0 G 0 B 0 So don't forget to close Color Editor by pressing Keep. Go once again to Ecosystem Editor and assign the corresponding color to each environment by selecting it using the Ecosystem Color button. Press it several times until the correct one appears. Then save the project and parameters again, as done previously. Motion Editor Now it's time to take care of the framing, so let's go to Modules and then to Motion Editor. An extremely feature-rich window will open. Following is the list of parameters regarding the Camera, position and other characteristics: <pre> -Camera Altitude: 7.0 -Camera Latitude: 36.075 -Camera Longitude: 112.133 -Focus Attitude: -2.0 -Focus Latitude: 36.275 -Focus Longitude: 112.386 -Camera : 512 → rendering window -Camera Y: 384 → rendering window -View Arc: 80 → View width in degrees -Sun Longitude: 172 -Sun Latitude: -0.9 -Haze Start: 3.8 -Haze Range: 78, 5 </pre> As soon as the values ​​shown in the relevant sliders have been modified, we will be ready to open the CamView window to observe the wireframe preview. Let's not consider all the controls that will appear. Well from the Motion Editor if you have selected Camera Altitude and open the CamView panel, you can change the height of the camera by holding down the right mouse button and moving the mouse up and down. To update the view, press the Terrain button in the adjacent window. As soon as you are convinced of the position, confirm again with Keep. You can carry out the same work with the other functions of the camera, such as Focus Altitude... Let's now see the next positioning step on the Camera map, but let's leave the CamView preview window open while we go to Modules to open the window at the same time MapView. We will thus be able to take advantage of the view from the other together with a subjective one. From the MapView window, select with the left mouse button and while it is pressed, move the Camera as desired. To update the subjective preview, always click on Terrain. While with the same procedure you can intervene on the direction of the camera lens, by selecting the cross and with the left button pressed you can choose the desired view. So with the pressure of Terrain I update the Preview. Possibly can enlarge or reduce the Map View using the Zoom button, for greater precision. Also write that the circle around the cameras indicates the beginning of the haze, there are two types (haze and fog) linked to the altitude. Would also add that the camera height is editable through the Motion Editor panel. The sun Let's see that changing the position of the sun from the Motion Editor. Press the SUN button at the bottom right and set the time and the date. Longitude and latitude are automatically obtained by the program. Always open the View Arc command from the Motion Editor panel, an item present in the Parameter List box. Once again confirm everything with Keep and then save again. Animation The animation part is not left-back and also occupies a window. The settings possibilities are enormous. A time line with dragging functions ("slide", "drag"...) comparable to that of LightWave completes this window. A small window is available for positioning the stars as a function of a date, in order to vary the seasons and their various events (and yes...). At the bottom of the "Motion-Editor", a "cam-view" function will give you access to a control panel. Different preview modes are possible. The rendering is also accessible through a window. No less than nine pages compose it. At this level, you will be able to determine the backup name of your images ("path"), the type of texture to be calculated, the resolution of the images, activate or deactivate functions such as the depth buffer ("zbuffer"), the blur, the background image, etc. Once all these parameters have been set, all you have to do is click on the "Render" button. For rendering go to Modules and then Render. Select the resolution, then under IMA select the name of the image. Move to FRA and indicate the level of fractal detail which of 4 is quite good. Then Keep to confirm and then reopen the window, pressing Render you will see the result. The image will be opened with any viewing program. Strengths: * Multi-window. * Quality of rendering. * Accuracy. * Opening, preview and rendering on CyberGraphX screen. * Extract / Convert Interp DEM, Import DLG, DXF, WDB and export LW map 3d formats * The "zbuffer" function. Weaknesses: * No OpenGL management * Calculation time. * No network computing tool. ====Writing CD / DVD - Frying Pan==== Can be backup DVDs (4GB ISO size limit due to use of FileInfoBlock), create audio cds from mp3's, and put .iso files on discs If using for the first time - click Drive button and Device set to ata.device and unit to 0 (zero) Click Tracks Button - Drive 1 - Create New Disc or Import Existing Disc Image (iso bin/cue etc.) - Session File open cue file If you're making a data cd, with files and drawers from your hard drive, you should be using the ISO Builder.. which is the MUI page on the left. ("Data/Audio Tracks" is on the right). You should use the "Data/Audio tracks" page if you want to create music cds with AIFF/WAV/MP3 files, or if you download an .iso file, and you want to put it on a cd. Click WRITE Button - set write speed - click on long Write button Examples Easiest way would be to burn a DATA CD, simply go to "Tracks" page "ISO Builder" and "ADD" everything you need to burn. On the "Write" page i have "Masterize Disc (DAO)", "Close Disc" and "Eject after Write" set. One must not "Blank disc before write" if one uses a CDR AUDIO CD from MP3's are as easy but tricky to deal with. FP only understands one MP3 format, Layer II, everything else will just create empty tracks Burning bootable CD's works only with .iso files. Go to "Tracks" page and "Data/Audio Tracks" and add the .iso ====odf==== Every ODF file is a collection of several subdocuments within a package (ZIP file), each of which stores part of the complete document. * content.xml – Document content and automatic styles used in the content. * styles.xml – Styles used in the document content and automatic styles used in the styles themselves. * meta.xml – Document meta information, such as the author or the time of the last save action. * settings.xml – Application-specific settings, such as the window size or printer information. To read document follow these steps: * Extracting .ods file. * Getting content.xml file (which contains sheets data). * Creating XmlDocument object from content.xml file. * Creating DataSet (that represent Spreadsheet file). * With XmlDocument select “table:table” elements, and then create adequate DataTables. * Parse child’s of “table:table” element and fill DataTables with those data. * At the end, return DataSet and show it in application’s interface. To write document follow these steps: * Extracting template.ods file (.ods file that we use as template). * Getting content.xml file. * Creating XmlDocument object from content.xml file. * Erasing all “table:table” elements from the content.xml file. * Reading data from our DataSet and composing adequate “table:table” elements. * Adding “table:table” elements to content.xml file. * Zipping that file as new .ods file. XLS file format The XLS file format contains streams, substreams, and records. These sheet substreams include worksheets, macro sheets, chart sheets, dialog sheets, and VBA module sheets. All the records in an XLS document start with a 2-byte unsigned integer to specify Record Type (rt), and another for Count of Bytes (cb). A record cannot exceed 8224 bytes. If larger than the rest is stored in one or more continue records. * Workbook stream **Globals substream ***BoundSheet8 record - info for Worksheet substream i.e. name, location, type, and visibility. 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To a layman management means an impressive person occupying an air-condition chamber with an overstaked table and cushioned chair . Some people suggest management as commanding other . To many others, management is nothing more than clerical work and putting fancy signatures. But truly management is the process of planning, organising, staffing, directing, co-ordinating and controlling the activities of business enterprises. It is also described as the technique of leadership, decision making and a mean of co-ordinating =Definition= ==Meaning== [[File:Management Process.png|thumb|right|200px|Management Process]] As there is no universally accepted definition for management, it is difficult to define it. But a simple traditional definition, defines it as the "art of getting things done by others". This definition brings in two elements namely accomplishment of objectives, and direction of group activities towards the goal. The weaknesses of this definition is that firstly it uses the word "art", whereas management is not merely an art, but it is both art and science. Secondly, the definition does not state the various functions of a manager clearly. A more elaborate definition given by George R. Terry, defines management as a process "consisting of planning, organizing, actuating and controlling, performed to determine and accomplish the objectives by the use of people and resources." Firstly it considers management as a "process" i.e. a systematic way of doing things. Secondly it states four management activities: Planning, organizing, actuating, and controlling. Planning is thinking of an actions in advance. organizing is coordination of the human and material resources of an organization. Actuating is motivation and direction of subordinates. Controlling means the attempt to ensure no deviation from the norm or plan. Thirdly it states that manager uses people and other resources. For example a manager who wants to increase the sales, might try not only to increase the sales force, but also to increase advertising budget. And fourthly, it states that management involves the act of achieving the organization's objectives. ==Definitions== A few definitions by experts are: *"Management is an art of knowing what is to be done and seeing that it is done in the best possible manner." (planning and controlling) **[[w:Frederick Winslow Taylor|F.W. Taylor]] (father of scientific management) *"Management is to forecast, to plan, to organize, to command, to coordinate and control activities of others." **[[w:Henri Fayol|Henri Fayol]] (father of modern management) *"Management is the process by which co-operative group directs actions towards common goals." **Joseph Massie *"Management is that process by which managers create, direct, maintain and operate purposive organisation through systematic, coordinated and cooperative human efforts." **McFarland *"Management is the coordination of all resources through the process of planning, organising, directing and controlling in order to attain stated goals." **Henry Sisk *"Management is a social and technical process that utilises resources, influences human action and facilitates changes in order to accomplish an organization's goals." **Tho Harmann, William Scott *"Management is a process of working with and through others to achieve organizational objectives in a changing environment, central to this purpose is the effective and efficient use of limited resources." **Rovert Kreitner *"Management is a responsible person's or group’s thinking processes and administrative processes directed at achieving the purpose, needs, aspirations and objectives of an organization, project or task through people." **Universal Management System Standard MSS 1000 - CQI Integrated Management Special Interest Group [[File:Definitions of Management.png|center]] =Process of Management= Management is a process which brings the scarce human and material resources together and motivates people for the achievement of objectives of the organization. Management is not a onetime act but an on-going series of interrelated activities. The sum total of these activities is known as management process. It consists of a set of interrelated operations or functions necessary to achieve desired organizational goals. A process is a systematic way of doing things. It is concerned with conversion of inputs into outputs. An analysis of management process will enable us to know the functions which managers perform. # '''Goal oriented Process:''' The process of management comes with the purpose of achieving the organizational goals correctly and meaningfully. Hence, it is a goal oriented process. # '''All Pervasive:''' Management is used by all departments of an organization and by all organizations, irrespective of size, nature and location. It is also practiced at each level of an organization. # '''Multidimensional:''' Management covers all aspects of an organization ranging from work, people and operations. Different mechanisms and systems are set up for each aspect. # '''Continuous Process:''' A series of functions are performed in organization by all its managers simultaneously. It keeps running in a cycle that repeats itself over and over again. # '''Group Activity:''' Management is never done in solidarity. It is a group activity that involves participation of all the people of an organization, including the managers and the workers, for the desired achievement of objectives. ''' ''' # '''Intangible Force:''' Management in its essence cannot be seen or touched, and hence is termed as intangible. But its effect can be felt and measured based on the results achieved by way of the organizational functions. ==Management: Art or science?== Management involves characteristics of both art and science. While certain aspects of management make it a science, certain others which involve application of skills make it an art. Every discipline of art is always backed by science which is basic knowledge of that art. Similarly, every discipline of science is complete only when it is used in practice for solving various kind of problems. Whereas under "science" one normally learns the "why" of a phenomenon, under "art" one learns the "how" of it. In the words of Robert H. Hilkert: "In the area of management, science and art are two sides of the same coin". In the beginning of development of management knowledge, it was considered as an art. There was a jungle of management knowledge. Any one used it to get things done in his own way. But later by codifying and systemizing the management, it became a science as well as being an art. ===Management as an Art=== Management can be an art in the sense that it has the following characteristics: *Just like other arts it has to be practiced and performed. The knowledge should be learned and practiced, just as medical or legal practitioners practice their respective sciences. *The manager gains '''experience''' by continual application of management knowledge and facing new experiences. This helps to develop more skills and abilities for translating knowledge into practice. *Application calls for '''innovativeness and creativity'''. *The fourth reason is that in many situations, '''theoretical knowledge of management may not be adequate or relevant''' for solving the problem. It may be because of complexity or unique nature of the problem. The art is in knowing how to accomplish the desired results. This implies that there exists a body of knowledge which management uses to accomplish the desired results in organization ===Management as a Science=== Management as a science has the following characteristics: *Its principles, generalizations and concepts are '''systematic'''. In this case the manager can manage the situation or organization in a systematic and scientific manner. *Its principles, generalizations and concepts are formulated on the basis of '''observation, research, analysis and experimentation''', as is the case with the principles of other sciences. *Like other sciences, management principles are also based on '''relationship of cause and effect'''. It states that same cause under similar circumstance will produce same effect. Suppose if workers are paid more (cause), the produce more (effect). *Management principles are '''codified''' and systematic, and can be transferred from one to another and can be taught. *Management principles are '''universally applicable''' to all types of organizations. <!-- So, on the basis of these characteristics we can say management is also a science, but science is used for two types of systematic knowledge natural or exact, and behavioral or inexact. Unlike physics or chemistry, management is not an exact or natural science, but it is behavioral or inexact. Exact sciences are called so because it is possible for us to study the effect of any one of the many factors affecting a phenomenon individually by making other factors inoperative. For example we can heat air by keeping other factors like pressure constant. But in case of Management, while we study man, we should consider multiplicity of factors affecting him. For example we cant study only the effect of monetary incentives on a worker's productivity because other factors like leadership style, workers need, and pressure of co-workers and etc, also affect. So Management is of the type of behavioral or inexact sciences. Some people argue that management principles are culture-bound, and do not have universal application. This is not correct, because they have ''not distinguished between management theory and management practice''. It has been shown by researchers that however different cultures may give rise to different practices or techniques, but management theory, concepts and principles remain the same everywhere. --> there is no tailor - made answer to a question- Is management a science or art? To ascertain the nature of management with respect of science or art, there is a need to know the exact meaning of the words 'science' or 'art' and subsequently, their application to management. ==Management: A profession?== The following criteria identifies the statues of a profession to management: *Profession is a body of '''specialized knowledge'''. *Professional knowledge in systemized and codified form '''can be learned''' through formal education system. *A profession emphasizes on having a central body to formulate a '''code of behavior''' for its members. *A profession calls for '''rendering competent and specialized services''' to clients. *A profession maintains the scientific attitude and commitment for '''discovering new ideas and upgrading''' in order to improve quality of service and level of efficiency provided to clients. *A profession requires members to exercise '''restraint and self-discipline'''. Management knowledge meets the first two criteria because it has grown into a systematic body of knowledge and also it can be acquired and learned through the formal education. There is no minimum qualification prescribed either for getting entry in the management profession or for becoming members of it. In practice, whosoever manages in known as manager, irrespective of qualifications. Peter Drucker in support of this view says that "no greater damage could be done to our economy or to our society than to attempt to professionalize management by licensing managers, for instance, or by limiting access to management to people with a special academic degree." Regarding professional approach, a manager has to continuously strive for ''discovering new ideas, relationships and concepts'' and act in a dynamic and innovative manner to cope with the changing environment. Even so, managers are not respected as other professionals like doctors, advocates and chartered accountants. ==Professional vs. Family Management== ===Professionalization of management=== The following reasons are in a support of the professionalization of management: *In joint stock company, '''ownership has been separated from its management''' and control. This situation has really contributed to the development of management as a profession. *Rapid expansion and '''growth of management universities and institutions''' is an indicative of management professionalization trend. *In a high-tech industrial society, '''manifold changes have occurred in the role of managers'''. *In the context of globalization of economic operations, many strategic areas have been developed which require '''professional expertise and specialized knowledge''' (e.g. strategic planning, etc). *Increased utilization of specialized management services (e.g. consultancy, human resource development, etc) requires a '''team of professional managers'''. ===Family management=== Family management implies management and control of business operations by a group of members belonging to a particular family, regardless of their knowledge about management. Thus the decisions and policies are largely influenced by family interest. Disputes and disagreements relating to family matters also tend to have a direct bearing on the functioning of the business organization. But in a professionally-managed enterprise, ownership is separated from management and control. Authority to manage and control business operations is delegated to professionally-qualified managers. A study covering 30 nations around the world points out that 75% of all firms in the world are family firms. In some of which, family inheritance has been continuing for centuries. The phenomenal progress of Ford Motors, IBM, etc, bears testimony to their quality of leadership and management. In the words of K.K. Birla, "if people like Sir Jamshedji Tata or Rai Bahadur Gujarmal Modi were to start their business career again, I would any day put my rupee on them than on the best of the professionals." ==Management and Administration== There has been a controversy regarding the interpretation of these two terms. There are different views in this regard: According to first view (William Newman, Peter Drucker, etc), there is no basic difference between the two terms, and they are interchangeable. If there is any difference, it may perhaps be in their usage in practice. The term administration is used for non-business activities, and management is used for business activities. According to second view (Kimball, Brech, other British writers, etc), management is a more comprehensive term which includes administration. Management involves "thinking" and administration involves "doing". Management is responsible for planning and organizing, and administration is responsible for directing and controlling. Whereas management refers to a high level of managerial activities such as goal-setting, policy formulation and strategy making, administration refers to an operative part concerned with lower level management activities such as execution of policies. <!-- According to Brech, while management involves all the processes of planning, organizing, directing and controlling, administration is only a branch of management which encompasses two of its functions -- planning and control. He divides management into two categories: administrative management and operative management, where administrative management is considered as the upper level and operative management as lower level. --> According to third view (Sheldon, Speriegal, Milward, etc), administration is a more comprehensive term which includes management. Administration involves "thinking" and management involves "doing". Administration is a top level function which concentrates on determination of plans, policies and objectives, whereas management is a lower level function which deals with the execution and direction of policies and operations. It doesn't mean that we need two separate sets of personnel, but each manager performs both the managerial as well as administrative functions. At top level more time is spent in administrative activity and as one moves down, more time is spent in management activity. Difference between Administration and Management. 1. Management is the act or function of putting into practice the policies and plans decided upon by the administration. 2. Administration is a determinative function, while management is an executive function. 3. Administration makes the important decisions of an enterprise in its entirety, whereas management makes the decisions within the confines of the framework, which is set up by the administration. 4. Administrators are mainly found in large and multi-layered enterprises such as governments, military, religious and educational organizations or corporations. Management, on the other hand, is used by mid-size to small enterprises and may take administrative functions or even be labeled as administration but granted mostly a management function. For example the administration of a condominium is mostly a managerial body that is needs to convey an assembly to reach most decisions. =Levels of Management= '''Top Level of Management''' It consists of board of directors, chief executive or managing director. The top management is the ultimate source of authority and it manages goals and policies for an enterprise. It devotes more time on planning and coordinating functions. While this may be more visible in large organisations there is not normally such a sharp stratification in smaller organisations where the same person may perform strategic, tactical and operational roles. The role of the top management can be summarized as follows - Top management lays down the objectives and broad policies of the enterprise. It issues necessary instructions for preparation of department budgets, procedures, schedules etc. It prepares strategic plans & policies for the enterprise. It appoints the executive for middle level i.e. departmental managers. It controls & coordinates the activities of all the departments. It is also responsible for maintaining a contact with the outside world. It provides guidance and direction. The top management is also responsible towards the shareholders for the performance of the enterprise Middle Level of Management The branch managers and departmental managers constitute middle level. They are responsible to the top management for the functioning of their department. They devote more time to organizational and directional functions. In small organization, there is only one layer of middle level of management but in big enterprises, there may be senior and junior middle level management. Their role can be emphasized as - They execute the plans of the organization in accordance with the policies and directives of the top management. They make plans for the sub-units of the organization. They participate in employment & training of lower level management. They interpret and explain policies from top level management to lower level. They are responsible for coordinating the activities within the division or department. It also sends important reports and other important data to top level management. They evaluate performance of junior managers. They are also responsible for inspiring lower level managers towards better performance. ==Lower level== Lower Level of Management Lower level is also known as supervisory / operative level of management. It consists of supervisors, foreman, section officers, superintendent etc. According to R.C. Davis, “Supervisory management refers to those executives whose work has to be largely with personal oversight and direction of operative employees”. In other words, they are concerned with direction and controlling function of management. Their activities include - Assigning of jobs and tasks to various workers. They guide and instruct workers for day to day activities. They are responsible for the quality as well as quantity of production. They are also entrusted with the responsibility of maintaining good relation in the organization. They communicate workers problems, suggestions, and recommendatory appeals etc. to the higher level and higher level goals and objectives to the workers. They help to solve the grievances of the workers. They supervise & guide the sub-ordinates. They are responsible for providing training to the workers. They arrange necessary materials, machines, tools etc. for getting the things done. They prepare periodical reports about the performance of the workers. They ensure discipline in the enterprise. They motivate workers. They are the image builders of the enterprise because they are in direct contact with the workers. =Skills and Functions of a manager= ==Skills== the five functions of management ensures the organization runs smoothly.these five functions are : * planning * organizing * staffing * coordinating * controlling * Budgeting * Reporting The basic skills needed are: * Calmness * Maturity * Friendliness * Tolerance * Appreciable * Tolerable * Adorable * Frank * Determined * Neutral towards means & end etc. =Evolution of management Thoughts= ==Early Classical approach== Human Behaviour Approach Terms Human Relations, Leadership or Behavioural Science Approach Theme It bears the existing and newly developed theories and methods of the relevant social sciences upon the study of human behavior ranging from personality dynamics of individuals to the relations of culture. Divisions Interpersonal B.A. => individual Psychology Group B.A. => Social Psychology and Organizational Behaviour. Features As management is the process of getting things done by people, managers should understand human behaviour. Emphasis is put on increasing productivity through motivation and good human relations. Motivation, leadership, communication, participative management and group dynamics are the central core of this approach. Uses It suggests how the knowledge of human behaviour can be used in making people more effective in the organization. An individual’s behaviour is not determined by organization factors alone but also by his attitude, pressure, conflicts of cultural environment etc. Hence these factors must be taken into account. Limitations Managers can be better placed by understanding human behaviour but equating management with human behaviour is untenable. ==Neo-Classical approach== ==Native American Approach== History Harrington,[https://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Management_Concepts_and_Applications/Management&stable=0#cite_note-1 <nowiki>[1]</nowiki>] in his 2017 manuscript titled "A Brief History of American Indian Business, states "American Indians have a long and proud history of productive trade commerce, and entrepreneurship. Existing long before European colonialism, Native people created and sustained numerous and complex trade and barter alliances that provided for their various needs." Cultural Tradition Entrepreneurship Strategy Legal Tribal Finance & Economics Leadership Practices Business Ethics & Values In a Lakota sweat lodge the phrase "mitakuye oyas'in has much meaning. One English translation is rendered as "for all my relatives". In the spirit of cosmology of the Lakota all things are relations: people, animals, trees, rocks- every creature and thing is apart of this universe and has a spirit. Therefore it has value and requires understanding.<ref>In a Lakota sweat lodge the phrase "mitakuye oyas'in has much meaning. One English translation is rendered as "for all my relatives". In the spirit of cosmology of the Lakota all things are relations: people, animals, trees, rocks- every creature and thing is apart of this universe and has a spirit. Therefore it has value and requires understanding.</ref> Human Resources Work Cited <ref>Harrington, C. F. (2017). A BRIEF HISTORY OF AMERICAN INDIAN BUSINESS. In D. M. KENNEDY, C. F. HARRINGTON, A. K. VERBOS, D. STEWART, J. S. GLADSTONE, & G. CLARKSON (Eds.), ''American Indian Business: Principles and Practices'' (pp. 3–15). University of Washington Press. <nowiki>http://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctvcwnqhd.5</nowiki></ref><references /> {{bookcat}} 2t6ze0nlqyiq9eegjydmzrakhw1ctzw 0 286123 4637134 4635507 2026-05-23T08:06:31Z Jeff1138 301139 4637134 wikitext text/x-wiki {{ArosNav}} [[#Native]] [[#Hosted]] ==Introduction== The Raspberry Pi Foundation is a charity founded in May 2009 to promote the study of basic computer science in schools, and is responsible for developing a single-board computer called the Raspberry Pi. The Foundation is supported by the University of Cambridge Computer Laboratory and Broadcom. Its aim is to "promote the study of computer science and related topics, especially at school level, and to put the fun back into learning computing." The original Raspberry Pi 1 Model B computer went on sale in February 2012 and set a new standard shattering the dominance of the PC in the home and education markets. Millions in the various formats, A, B, A+, B+ and Compute have since been shipped worldwide. The original concept of the Raspberry Pi was for a computer board providing Internet access with up to 1080p HD graphics at very low cost. The boards provide a platform for children and adults from any background to acquire computer science knowledge and help develop the future World-Wide-Web and all things internet (IOT hub and bridges out to home network to cloud of sensors). Hobbyists and tech dabblers/tinkerers are the main purchases of the Pis (around half). The rest of the sales are split between education/industrial. While the Raspberry Pi boards were designed primarily for education, they have become very popular with manufacturers of embedded systems. The Raspberry Pi Foundation has ensured backwards compatibility with each new revision. The bare-bones Compute module is aimed specifically at the OEM manufacturer. * Pi 5 - Quad A76 and RP1 "southbridge" with VideoCore 7 4Gb 8Gb LPDDR4X * Pi 4 - Quad A72 VideoCore 6 * Pi 3 - Quad A53 64 bit - VideoCore 4 * Pi 2 - Quad 32bit but more power consumed * Model B+ - lower power usage but same speed as the original Pis * Model A and B - * Compute 1, 3, 4 and 5 - industrial use <pre> 2008 Trustees collected for Foundation 2009 Charity status gained 2010 2011 First Raspberry prototypes 2012 First boards go on sale at CPC and RS. The Model A and B 700 MHz Arm11 - February 29th BCM 2835 2012 First million sold - more than the 10,000 original planned and anticipated 2013 First Alpha Experimental builds of AROS Native for the Pi 2013 Pi Trading launched making grants available, providing in house educational resources and Pi Academy for teacher training 2013 Over two million sold 2014 Over three million sold and updated Model B+ introduced that moved composite video to audio jack and same half gig of memory 2015 Pi 2 Model B - 900/600 MHz ARM Cortex-A7 Armv7 quad 32bit core ARMv7 and the same VideoCore IV 3d GPU in a BCM 2836 with 1Gb RAM 2015 Over four million first gen pis sold 2015 Over a million pi2s sold 2015 Pi Zero released 2016 Passed Sinclair total number of computer lines sold - around 7 million 2016 Pi 3 Model B - four 64 bit ARMv8 Cortex-A53 1.2GHz - bluetooth 4.1, wireless 802.11n and a dual VideoCore IV GPU - Broadcom BCM 2837 SOC 2016 Passed Amstrad PCW line in total sales - 8 million so will be the best selling computer range in the UK, later over 10 million 2016 Compute 3 launched BCM2837 Quad 64-bit Core 1Gb LPDDR2 RAM 4Gb Emmc storage 2017 12 million pis sold in total 2018 Pi 3 Model B+ - 4 core 1.4GHz A53 BCM2837B0 - wireless 802.11ac, gigabit ethernet (300Mbit/s) and bluetooth 4.2 - power over ethernet 2019 Over 15 million sold 2019 Raspberry Pi Compute Module 3+ CM3+ LITE Broadcom BCM2837B0, Cortex-A53 (ARMv8) 64-bit SoC 1Gb DDR2 and emmc 2019 Pi 4 Model B - BCM2711 quad 64bit A72 1.5GHz, VideoCore VI, AC wifi, Bluetooth 5.0, GbE, 2 micro hdmi decode up to 4K, USB-C power, 2xVLI USB 3, 2xUSB 2.0, 1/2/4 GB ram 2020 Raspberry Pi SC0919 Pico RP2040 2020 Silent Pi 4 upgrade with more USB-c psu support and PI400 1.8GHz inside keyboard 2020 Raspberry Pi Compute Module 4 2021 Pi zero 2 w 64bit quad 1GHz Cortex-A53 BCM2710A1 512mB SDRam 2023 Pi 5 BCM2712 Quad A76 w VideoCore VII - no audio socket - dual 4k displays from mini hdmi - fan connector - 5V 5A psu 2024 Raspberry Pi Pico 2 2024 Pi-500 2024 Raspberry Pi Compute Module 5 2025 Pi-500+ 2026 2027 2028 Pi 6 </pre> ===Good sites to visit=== *[https://www.patreon.com/michal_schulz/posts Big endian on Pi] with [https://github.com/michalsc/Emu68 ARM based realtime JIT 68k] *[https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/3a876755c070f5c73c4f53c7f4d35b4f923088b9boot Raspberry Pi Firmware build] *[https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux Raspberry Pi Linux Build] *[https://github.com/brianwiddas/pi-baremetal Bare Metal Access on Pi] == Hardware == ===BCM2708(family)=== which includes the [http://elinux.org/RPi_Hardware BCM2835] (ARM1176JZF-S 700&nbsp;MHz CPU + VideoCore IV GPU + up to 1GB RAM) *Framebuffer (fb) using mailbox *IRQ scheduler, etc *Arasan based SD Card controller *Synopsis DesignWare USB 2.0 OTG controller [http://networkdirection.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=106:rasperry-pi-usb-controller&catid=45:raspberry-pi&Itemid=54 Unofficial DOCS pdf], [dwc_otg.c FreeBSD], [], [https://www.riscosopen.org/viewer/view/mixed/RiscOS/Sources/HWSupport/USB/Controllers/DWCDriver/ RiscOS USB Driver], [https://www.riscosopen.org/forum/forums/5/topics/878 RiscOS USB Discussion], [https://www.riscosopen.org/forum/forums/11/topics/1893 Other USB RiscOS], [http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9/index.html Plan9 Miller's usb] http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/contrib/miller/, [https://github.com/Chadderz121/csud CSUD driver], *[http://www.smsc.com/media/Downloads_Public/Data_Sheets/9512.pdf SMSC 9512] USB LAN/Hub chip *CMOS RAM *VCHIQ port which sends messages to the GPU e.g. for mouse, keyboard, audio on HDMI, etc *Audio Driver *Serial Peripheral Interface Bus (SPI) *[http://www.susa.net/wordpress/2012/06/raspberry-pi-pcf8563-real-time-clock-rtc/ I2C registers] *I2S *Universal Asynchronous Receiver Transmitter (UART) *[http://elinux.org/RPi_BCM2835_GPIOs GPIOs] and [http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2012/08/17/broadcom-bcm2835-peripheral-memory-map-and-gpio-alternate-use-chart-piday-raspberrypi-raspberry_pi/ Alternative view of GPIO] BCM2836 * For Pi B+, PI 2 and Pi 3 SMSC LAN9514 chip adding 10/100 Ethernet connectivity and four USB channels to the board BCM2837 * Broadcom BCM43438 chip provides 2.4&nbsp;GHz 802.11n wireless LAN, Bluetooth Low Energy, and Bluetooth 4.1 Classic radio support, 3B+ [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/afa5bc0bb17d5dd06bcfdbac00853a3799ca8d76 LAN7515] The overclock ability has diminished with each chip version as the energy usage has very slowly risen. BCM2837 is one of the warmest yet and might benefit from active cooling (ie fan) if all four cpu cores are in use for a short while. Video playback is not affected due to the custom support in the GPU. 5 V / 2.4 or 2.5 amp power supply recommended if all four cpu cores are running, else throttling (cpu slowdown) might occur. *[http://www.andrewscheller.co.uk/rpi_pcb_modules.html PCB], [http://elinux.org/RPi_Low-level_peripherals Low level features], ===BCM2711=== ===BCM2712=== ==Implemented so far...== # Modify the configure system so that it correctly builds for the arm hardware float raspi target. # Implemented the bootstrap to load the aros modules and prepare the arm to jump into them. Reworked the x86 console support so that parts can be stolen for raspi to use since t has no basic functionality to output to the display. # Implemented a kernel.resource to prepare the raspi for running aros and provide the low level api calls to expose available resources and allow exec, etc function. # Implemented serial debug support # Implemented the exec (and kernel) functionality required to make multitasking work (and interrupts, exceptions, syscalls, etc) # Implemented a timer.device to utilise the hardware timers. # Implemented a very basic gfx driver to expose the hardware's framebuffer. # Implemented an SD-Card driver for AROS which presently only supports the raspi's chipset but can easily be modified to support all sd-card hardware and media. # Fixed the fat filesystem support in AROS so that it can boot on RasPi's normal SD-Card setup. The "rom" image files needed use a different filename than the default linux, etc images so can be easily installed without harming the existing files - you only need to change the loaded images in the config file to get aros to boot. # Updated the build scripts to automatically download the necessary raspi firmware files and wrap it all up so that you can simply extract the archive to a fat formatted sdcard and boot it on the raspi without having to get anything else. # fix everything in contrib and ports to build for raspi (needs proper testing/fixes but allows every component to actually compile at least, including owb) + numerous other fixes to get things working on arm/raspi .. Improvements... # Implement a USB chipset driver "OR" finish the existing one [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/c07d13c724f944674be5db54fc6a71ee72a01809 usb otg] - the current code is mostly a skeleton that should initialise the chipset and then needs relevant code to support the different transfer types. It also has the "virtual" hub code in place to represent the raspi's USB port (from poseidons p.o.v) # Implement a driver for the USB NIC (a few weeks - depends on USB above) # Write an [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/d55d0f74d20b769bbb8c8d386e5c1d7a9154f05a audio driver] (a few weeks - independent of USB) and [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/e93a4c245f27a87c9c4c1d39206694b39059998a HDMI] # fix syscall bug in the current raspi kernel code # Graphics depend on having a decent "bcmdma.resource" implemented as to use the cpu's dma engine. The sd card driver needs to use it for transfers to/from the controller - and the gfx system needs to use it for "blitting". # [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/4019d84e4975d4dad987a12d57fe108f5ac048e6 Improve the gfx driver], [ vc4gfx HIDD] add [http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/VC4/ Gallium3D support] # [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/b13905b3e8e45b089f520b44692c81affddd066f Improve] the [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/3a876755c070f5c73c4f53c7f4d35b4f923088b9 sdcard] device driver - which is also pretty basic but should work with most cards, rework it to also support pci, etc. sd card interfaces on x86 # The current code using very rudimentary access to the gpio interface - so that should be implemented as some resource for other components to access, as-well as the i2c interface exposed over the gpio interface. that should have a hidd class implemented which uses the gpio resource to communicate. ===Boot up === On power-up, the rpi [http://www.open.com.au/mikem/bcm2835/ BCM 2835] [https://github.com/hermanhermitage/videocoreiv VideoCore4] GPU, not the ARM CPU, is in control, and the SD card slot is the only peripheral device with power. The firmware burned into the BCM2835's VideoCoreIV GPU PROM requires a DOS-style partition table; a FAT-formatted first partition; and the freely redistributable but closed sourced Broadcom files “bootcode.bin” and “start.elf” in that partition. The boot sequence carries out several pre-boot tasks *On powering of the rpi, the GPU reads and executes bootcode.bin, which then loads start.elf *The GPU loads the “start.elf” file, eventually, into the L2 cache and then executes it *configures the memory split for the CPU and GPU *reads and parses “config.txt” from the same partition on the SD card and applies the settings (like a PC’s BIOS settings) *loads the “kernel.img” file, again from the same partition *activates the CPU to begin executing the loaded kernel image The CPU/GPU memory split is hard-coded into start.elf, so Broadcom provides three start.elf images, to give 32M, 64M, or 128M to the GPU for multimedia performance, and the remainder to the CPU. RPi uses [https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware some closed source loaders] and at some point it loads a binary blob named "kernel.img" at 0x8000, at that point there would be a rudimentary Aros alive. If one wants to use the SD-card then there would have to be a driver for the interface and a fat filesystem handler (SD-card has to be formatted to fat filesystem) Boot code and kernel are now linked together and made into that binary blob, just for starters. Raspberry Pi uses [http://kernelnomicon.org/?p=133 u-boot] and [http://kernelnomicon.org/?p=138 UBoot] as bootloader, there's already some code in the Efika MX port for that. UBoot is a native bootloader and not just for the raspberry pi, it loads after start.elf. You can find Efika MX port from arch implementations, some hacking is needed for the mmakefile.src'es as iit dates back to before the Aros crosstool era or else you get some weird errors while building. You also need to code the bootstrap and serial handling. At the moment it seems that a fastest route for the native build would be to make one binary blob without using the package system. Raspberry's memory layout is pretty simple and if the implemented u-boot doesn't support loading other modules <pre> ? - alias for 'help' mtest - simple RAM test autoscr - run script from memory base - print or set address offset bbm - BBM sub-system bdinfo - print Board Info structure boot - boot default, i.e., run 'bootcmd' bootd - boot default, i.e., run 'bootcmd' bootm - boot application image from memory bootp - boot image via network using BootP/TFTP protocol cmp - memory compare coninfo - print console devices and information cp - memory copy crc32 - checksum calculation echo - echo args to console fatinfo - print information about filesystem fatload - load binary file from a dos filesystem fatls - list files in a directory (default /) go - start application at address 'addr' help - print online help iminfo - print header information for application image itest - return true/false on integer compare jade - loadb - load binary file over serial line (kermit mode) loads - load S-Record file over serial line loady - load binary file over serial line (ymodem mode) loop - infinite loop on address range md - memory display mm - memory modify (auto-incrementing) mtest - simple RAM test mw - memory write (fill) nfs - boot image via network using NFS protocol nm - memory modify (constant address) pci - list and access PCI Configuration Space ping - send ICMP ECHO_REQUEST to network host printenv - print environment variables rarpboot - boot image via network using RARP/TFTP protocol reset - Perform RESET of the CPU run - run commands in an environment variable saveenv - save environment variables to persistent storage saves - save S-Record file over serial line setenv - set environment variables sleep - delay execution for some time tftpboot - boot image via network using TFTP protocol USB - USB sub-system usbboot - boot from USB device version - print monitor version </pre> Most used [http://www.compulab.co.il/workspace/mediawiki/index.php5/U-Boot_quick_reference uboot options] are fatls usb 0:1, ===Framebuffer - basic display=== RasPi has to speak to the "operating system" which runs on the GPU itself and request/free memory - it cant directly manage it itself, and so the managed functions were used to wrap these calls. The Arm and GPU share memory space. The framebuffer is shared. The Arm can write a pixel and it will appear on the screen (through GPU hardware) without flushing/copying being required. The GPU can composite multiple FB's in real time - so you have a number of surfaces defined which are rotated etc and composited in real time to the output. Copying can map from the address space of the Arm to the flat space of the GPU which takes some code, but I don't think whole buffers are copied. The DMA hardware can also access the whole memory space and can perform 2D fills and blits (no blending). This is documented in the peripheral spec posted. The DMA is just an Arm accessible peripheral and can be set up with low latency (e.g. microseconds). must use a 0xc0000000-based bus address to access SDRAM, yet non-DMA access should go via a 0x0-based bus address. For 2D dma, set TDMODE, and the spec says "interpret the TXFR_LEN register as YLENGTH number of transfers each of XLENGTH, and add the strides to the address after each transfer." so set STRIDE to pitch of the image, the width is XLENGTH and height is YLENGTH. You would fill by not setting the SRC_INC and point source to your fill data. The DMA cannot see the ARM's L1 cache, so you would map the framebuffer with ioremap_nocache. Depending on where the source data comes from, it may need an L1 cache flush. The DMA can see the L2 cache. Use 0xC0000000 bus addresses when L2 is disabled and 0x40000000 bus addresses when L2 is enabled. (actually just call virt_to_bus and you'll get the right address out). openGLES/openVG has high latency. Writing to framebuffer then reading it back is very inefficient (e.g. milliseconds). If you can drive it a unidirectional way, just streaming commands at then that is efficient. openVG is not implemented on top of openGLES - it uses the same hardware but as a first class interface To improve the Gfx driver, we will need a DMA resource implemented so can use to perform DMA operations. The Gfx driver will need this to perform blits. ===USB === * Model A and B limited to 150 mA per port. * Model B+ and Pi 2 introduced configurable 600 mA to 1.2 A support over all ports - anything above that requires a powered USB hub. Implementing the hardware driver that Poseidon uses to interact with the USB components. Have code in place to (try) and initialise the USB chipset, and configure host/device mode operation (though AFAICT Poseidon doesn't support device mode). Started to get the "virtual" root hub written for the single USB port so that Poseidon should at least list it correctly in the GUI - and try to interact with it to find peripherals. The BCM2835 uses a soft IP block from Synopsys’ DesignWare library (DWC), specifically the block is called dwc_usb_2_0_hs_otg_subsystem-ahb_se (“USB 2.0 Hi-Speed OTG Controller Subsystem w/AHB Interface SE”). There is no public documentation for this, and pretty much zero chance of anyone getting hold of it even with NDA. However, there's a Linux driver written by Synopsys ([https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux dwc_usb]). Specifically directories [https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/tree/rpi-patches/drivers/usb/host dwc_common_port] and [https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/tree/rpi-patches/drivers/usb/host dwc_otg]. The Synopsys code is actually under a fairly permissive licence – it's not GPL, it's similar to BSD (’don't sue us if it breaks’ is pretty much the only clause). So this should not be a barrier to porting the code. The code is really well written, with a nice partition between the work done by the driver (dwc_otg, which is fairly involved, given the host does more work than a conventional EHCI driver), and the interface to Linux (dwc_common_port). Probably only need provision of relevant changes to dwc_common_port. Other things to consider.... * Provision of necessary headers to get it to compile * Provision of necessary functions (main issues are wait queues, threads, work queues, tasklets, timers, spinlocks and mutexes (multithreading) ) * Interfacing between USB stack and the driver. dwc_otg/dwc_otg_hcd_linux.c looks like the place to start. the Linux bits of the headers are only required for the dwc_common_port library. dwc_common_port includes a variety of crypto functions which are not used – it appears to also be used for ultrawideband (UWB) and wireless USB (WUSB) drivers where crypto will be an issue, but it isn't going to be for plain wired USB. Every USB driver acts as an USB hub as well in order to let Poseidon control the state of USB ports. The code there was reading status of the only USB port in Raspberry's CPU but when changing the status it erroneously deleted some of the status bits, including the port enable one. It was so because those bits in the status register are of a type Read/WriteToClear. It means, if one does not want to change their value from 1 back to 0, one has to actually write the 0 value. Very practical thing e.g. in interrupt handlers, where one reads the interrupt status register to learn what was the interrupt reason, and writes it back to the same register in order to clear the interrupts. After fixing that code it turned out that the communication was still unsuccessful. Apparently the USB device was not understanding the host for some reason. That should not happen since the request sent was one of the standard ones implemented by virtually anything with an USB connector, assumed that Poseidon clears the data caches before forwarding the work to the USB drivers but that's the responsibility of the driver itself. The USB device responded and acknowledged the transmission! But why were all the request sent after address change failing with timeout? They should not. Once again, address set is supported just by anything. Tried to contact the device at address 0 once again and there it was, still responding properly. The enlightenment came. The bus address for DMA transmissions was, as it is in many bare metal USB implementations, just the pure memory address of the buffer as seen by the ARM cpu. Have "prefixed" it with the real location of uncached RAM and booted AROS once again. Trident saw this: Product : Hub: Vdr=0424/PID=9514 Manufacturer: Standard Microsystems Corp. SerialNumber: n/a /Users/michal/git/AROS/rom/USB/poseidon/./poseidon.library.c:psd_20_psdEnumerateDevice/3092: USBVersion: 0200 Class : 9 SubClass : 0 DevProto : 2 VendorID : 1060 ProductID : 38164 DevVers : 0200 and this: Product : Vendor: Vdr=0424/PID=EC00 Manufacturer: Standard Microsystems Corp. SerialNumber: n/a /Users/michal/git/AROS/rom/USB/poseidon/./poseidon.library.c:psd_20_psdEnumerateDevice/3092: USBVersion: 0200 Class : 255 SubClass : 0 DevProto : 1 VendorID : 1060 ProductID : 60416 DevVers : 0200 and even this: Product : Hub: Vdr=0424/PID=9514 Manufacturer: Standard Microsystems Corp. SerialNumber: n/a /Users/michal/git/AROS/rom/USB/poseidon/./poseidon.library.c:psd_20_psdEnumerateDevice/3092: USBVersion: 0200 Class : 9 SubClass : 0 DevProto : 2 VendorID : 1060 ProductID : 38164 DevVers : 0200 What are these things? The first one is USB hub built in the Raspberry. Thanks to this one the Pi machines (with exception of Pi0 and computing modules) have more than just one single USB port. The second one is the network chip in raspberry, the third one is my USB SD card reader which have just connected to see what happens. AROS tried, of course, to boot from it ;) So, the first step towards working USB is done. The control transfers are working as you can see above. Next step is to implement bulk and interrupt transfers, having the basics in place. Finally some error handling will be added and USB for Pi will be as complete as the PC version. [http://www.raspyfi.com/raspberry-pi-usb-audio-fix/ Issue with USB Audio] ===Audio === To follow... [https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/tree/rpi-patches/sound/arm audio] and its [https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues/2 very high speed message passing interface type of thing VCHI] The Model B+ added an additional voltage regulator for the audio output and an additional output driver to drive low-resistance loads like headphones. However it is still using pulse-width modulation (PWM), which has a major impact on sound quality the old Raspberry Pi used a linear voltage regulator to provide the 3.3V to many of the components on the board while the new one uses a switching regulator. Both can perform reasonably well. However switch mode power supplies often show higher noise figures Analogue audio Audio over HDMI rev 1.3 & 1.4 ===Ethernet=== 10/100 BaseT Ethernet RJ45 socket ===GPIO === GPIO shouldn't be too bad but bear in mind it is already accessed in places so they would need to allocate pins etc through it (e.g. sdcard to flicker the activity light, serial debug to output data on the GPIO pins) Probably a resource rather than a device... Started an i2c driver that will need to allocate GPIO pins. Feel free to work on it if you are interested ;p ===GPU graphics with 2D and 3D acceleration=== Sadly none yet == References == ===Native=== * 2013-03 Kalamatee starts work * 2013-05 Work put on hiatus * 2015-04 Work continues slowly with mschulz on the kernel and Kalamatee (NicJA) on gpio and usb * 2018 [https://www.patreon.com/posts/i-owe-you-some-20956961 mschulz resume with adding BE big endian support as well] * 2023 NinjaCowboy The status of AROS native for RasPi was OK. System booting, USB working (although with some issues but plan to fix them). Got stuck on modifying the ABI (application binary interface) and adjusting binutils/gcc to support it wanted to have real executable files but got stuck a little. This change for the type of relocations embedded in ARM files and not sure if this very type is well supported, on the other hand without this change ARM version of AROS wouldn't work well. By reverting the change to ABI we could have a (somehow) working AROS on RasPi, but unfortunately still unstable. * Newer version with USB WIP [http://aros.sourceforge.net/download.php AROS ABIv1 snapshot/nightly] # download/checkout the source someplace, e.g. /build/AROS-Src/ # make a directory to store external sources AROS downloads, e.g. /build/Ports # make a build directory, e.g. /build/aros-raspi-armhf # cd into the build dir, configure, and then run make -: <pre> >cd /build/aros-raspi-armhf >/build/AROS-Src/configure --target=raspberrypi-armhf --with-serial-debug --enable-ccache --with-portssources=/build/Ports >make >make arosboot-raspi </pre> then copy the files from /build/aros-raspi-armhf/bin/raspi-armhf/AROS/ onto an sdcard, and download/copy the Raspi firmware files onto it. You should then be able to boot the sdcard on your RasPi. The current W.I.P tree to svn. it can be built as follows .. <pre> ./configure --target=raspi-armhf make arosboot-raspi </pre> That will generate arosraspi.img, arosraspi.rom and config.txt in bin/raspi-arm/AROS - so either copy just those files to a fat formatted SD card (with the firmware files on), or copy the whole contents of the AROS folder. NB - if you have a Linux/other install, backup the existing config.txt first arosraspi.img contains the bootstrap (which has very basic mailbox code, framebuffer/gpio init, and console "emulation" via code pinched from our libbootconsole), kernel.resource, and exec.library arosraspi.rom contains all the other components needed to boot AROS. The config.txt file will tell the RasPI bootstrap to load our arosraspi kernel and ramdisk (rom). the bootstrap has minimal mailbox code, planning on adding either a resource or library that driver/app code will use to access it (likewise for GPIO) ==== Hosted ==== Ubuntu VM approach to compiling [http://lallafa.de/blog/2013/06/building-aros-hosted-for-raspbian/ Linux hosted AROS June 04, 2013] ../AROS/configure --target=linux-armhf --enable-includes=/usr/arm-linux-gnueabihf/include --x-includes=/usr/arm-linux-gnueabihf/include --x-libraries=/usr/arm-linux-gnueabihf/lib arm-elf- is symbol-linked to arm-linux-gnueabi- (arm-linux-gnueabi- is more correct in this case, because it's going to be compiling the ARM AROSBootstrap for ARM Linux) *armel - many of the "android" machines require since the entire OS is made for soft float VFP. *armfp - Efika MX target, Raspberry PI, EfikaMX, Pandora and virtually everything (VFP) Keep in mind it's possible to start hardfp AROS hosted on softfp system, though, as long as no calls between AROS and host require floating point parameters. NOTE: hardfloat objects *cannot* be linked with softfloat objects - they have a different ABI. Just keep in mind the arm nightly build machine is quite complex beast. It needs the x86_64 host compiler to compile AROS tools. The arm version is built every night using gcc-4.6.2 crosscompiler (built together with AROS) and successfully builds armel and armhf linux hosted targets. *needs an AROS code compiler for ARM target *as well as unix compiler for ARM linux host (would be best to have both softfp and armhf, we have softfp only now) with full set of libraries and includes. with—disable-crosstools $AROS_CC is always a wrapper around $KERNEL_CC ? If so, this is wrong for some ports. This can break Darwin, Windows and Android port. Yes, Android port will build. And even work. But it's not good because the port will not be ABI-compatible with other ARM ports. Android's ABI is different from GNUEABI. For example: <pre> enum test {foo, bar}; enum test testvar; </pre> siseof(testvar) will be equal to sizeof(int) in GNUEABI (Linux and AROS) and sizeof(short) on Android. This affects linking objects from static linklibs, for example. Previously everything worked because $AROS_CC was a wrapper on top of $HOST_CC. And a real crosscompiler was used on non-ELF hosts. Android is the same. $KERNEL_CC is incompatible with AROS. compiler=kernel is appropriate _ONLY FOR CODE WHICH RUNS ON HOST OS_ (or barebone hardware, if we talk about native). This includes bootstraps, their linklibs, and host-side dynamic libraries (Windows makes extensive use of them because of architectural considerations. No single AROS object should be compiled with this setting. $KERNEL_CC is really compatible with AROS *ONLY IN LINUX-HOSTED* and no more. On other systems (Darwin, Windows, Android) this is not true any more, and compiler=kernel is never going to work. If you want to compile your AROS module against host OS includes, append the following to USER_INCLUDES (or USER_CFLAGS, this is effectively the same): -isystem $(GENINCDIR) $(KERNEL_INCLUDES) $(KERNEL_INCLUDES) expands to: -isystem <your_os_includes> -isystem <host_OS_gcc_private_includes> -nostdinc This makes AROS compiler adhering to host OS APIs. If you want some preprocessor symbols based on what your host OS actually is, add something like -DHOST_OS_$(AROS_HOST_ARCH). Why is there $(GENINCDIR) at all? Because host OS has its own libc includes, which would conflict with AROS ones. And the host OS libc is not binary-compatible with AROS one. Why doesn't Windows-hosted port use $(KERNEL_INCLUDES) ? Because WinAPI includes conflict with AROS ones in fundamental typedefs, like WORD, BYTE and BOOL. It's almost impossible to deal with this in any other way than rewriting WinAPI definitions using AROS types. Building under centos 6.3 (i386) currently, and AROS creates the toolchain itself. haven't yet committed the necessary changes but "./configure --target=raspi-armhf" is enough to start, then "make arosboot-raspi" will generate arosraspi.img (containing the bootstrap, kernel.resource, and exec.library) as well as arosraspi.rom (containing all the other essentials components such as dos, graphics etc). It will also copy over a config.txt file to make the raspi bootstrap code load the correct kernel, and a cmdline.txt that enables exec debug output. *armel = typically Debian 6, Ubuntu Maverick, Android, *armhf = typically Debian 7, Debian 8, Ubuntu Precise, Cross-compiling Ubuntu ARM softfp <pre> sudo sh echo 'foreign-architecture armel' >>/etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch echo 'deb [arch=armel] http://ports.ubuntu.com/ precise main universe' >/etc/apt/sources.list.d/armel.list apt-get update apt-get install gcc-arm-linux-gnueabi libx11-dev:armel libsdl-dev:armel </pre> <pre> ./configure --target=linux-arm --x-includes=/usr/include \ --enable-includes=/usr/arm-linux-gnueabi/include </pre> Cross-compiling Ubuntu ARM hard-float <pre> sudo sh echo 'foreign-architecture armhf' >>/etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch echo 'deb [arch=armhf] http://ports.ubuntu.com/ precise main universe' >/etc/apt/sources.list.d/armhf.list apt-get update apt-get install gcc-arm-linux-gnueabihf libx11-dev:armhf libsdl-dev:armhf </pre> <pre> ./configure --target=linux-armhf --x-includes=/usr/include \ --enable-includes=/usr/arm-linux-gnueabihf/include </pre> Now, the AROS build is configured properly and all you need to do is: make [https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/commit/d84b9a337f9aa059154d9af69275935125166bdd some Apple Silicon support] === Core Kernel === the reason behind INTB_KERNEL is to allow use of the standard Exec function AddIntServer() to add interrupt handlers for hardware drivers etc. AmigaOS never used it for abstract hardware drivers. AmigaOS routed only raw hardware IRQs there. Their assignment was hardcoded. As well as number of them. Actually on AmigaOS every bus has its own interrupt subsystem. For example PCI bus. PCI interrupts on Amiga are routed to a single exec interrupt. 1:1 relationship between CPU and hardware interrupts is present only on PC. IMHO we miss things like AddInterrupt/RemInterrupt methods on our PCI subsystem's device class. PCI bus class should map these methods to whatever is appropriate. This is how it is done on AmigaOS and friends. When these are implemented, raw kernel.resource API will be needed only for several PC-specific drivers with hardwired resources. Exec IRQs are real IRQs only on Amiga hardware. On other machines they can be emulated where appropriate (VBlank is a good example). kernel.resource is meant to be different, its IRQs are hardware-agnostic, they are plain "Hardware IRQ number X, whatever this means". They are low-level actually, and meaningful only in the context of a particular system. Was that not the transition from irq.hidd to kernel.resource? No. A long time ago there was another hacky bit named INTB_TIMERTICK. It was "abstract timer interrupt", used by timer.device. It was the same as VBlank, but with larger frequency. I removed it, because kernel.resource API was a cleaner way to access this interrupt. Furthermore, there can be more than one timer in the system. I am even thinking about bringing back timer HIDD definitions again. hpet.resource is a bad idea. Can someone please enlighten me a little on how the scheduler is meant to work? Poseidon.library creates its "Poseidon Event Task" during RTF_COLDSTART -> then calls Wait(), and ends up in limbo because wait disables interrupts (used for the scheduler heartbeat), and basically waits forever because the sigbit is never set, since krnSwitch doesn't switch the task unless TF_SWITCH is set, and no codepath run during this seems to set it?? TF_SWITCH does not disable/enable switching. This flag just enables to run user-supplied hook when the task is being switched away. It is completely safe to call Wait() in Disable()d state. Doing this actually temporarily breaks this state. IDNestCnt gets remembered in struct Task, then next task is selected, and its IDNestCnt is restored in sysbase (see kernel_scheduler.c). If there are no other tasks, then your cpu_Dispatch() should enable interrupts on the CPU and enter idle mode. See x86 implementation for good example. You miss what happens next... 1. KrnSwitch() saves context of your task, saves IDNestCnt (core_Switch() and cpu_Switch()), then drops into cpu_Dispatch(). 2. cpu_Dispatch() calls core_Dispatch. Then two cases are possible: 2a. There is a READY task. It is picked up, its IDNestCnt is restored in SysBase, then cpu_Dispatch() needs to restore registers and exit. The next task is run. 2b. There are no READY tasks. core_Dispatch() returns NULL. In this case your cpu_Dispatch() should enter idle loop. It should just enable interrupts on the CPU and put it on halt. This allows it to process hardware interrupts. Eventually some of your interrupt handlers wakes up your task and puts it into READY list. My heartbeat interrupt has been slowed atm to help debugging - but it never actually gets a chance to fire because of the Wait() disabling interrupts. Perhaps you have forgotten to enable interrupts in your idle loop. There is a change in the format of AROS executables. Until now we were using Elf RELocable files which are usually used as intermediate object files. We had them for various reasons, one of them was how AROS files were built in the past. That days we had no real aros cross compiler and the option to embed relocation data in unix executables (or in executable files in general) was rather new and not every linux/unix system had it. Therefore we have decided to use intermediate files. Although it was somehow working (and it is still working :-)), it has some drawbacks. Therefore decided to introduce real Elf EXEC types, in first turn implemented on ARM target with option to expand in future to all other AROS architectures. The first patch was pretty easy and appeared to work somehow. It generated nice executables with embedded relocation info. Not only that, it also removed all global symbols adjusting relocation data to be relative to the beginning of the sections. That move reduced number of symbols in each executable significantly (depending on the file between 20 and 80% of all symbols could be removed). The only symbols that stayed in the file are local ones - due to the nature of the patch wasn't able to remove them since we have not seen them in the symbol hash table. The patch didn't worked though. The files were relocated, AROS kernel loaded, but it crashed very early. What happened? Well, the nature of ARM relocations happened :) Most of the relocation data on all machines is rather simple. Relocation can be absolute or pc-relative, sometimes the offset has to be bit shifted. On ARM v7 there is another one. There, when one wants to load an address of function/variable into register a combination of two instructions can be used: movw and movt. The first one loads immediate into lower 16 bits of a register while clearing upper 16 bits. The second one loads immediate into upper 16 bits without touching lower halfword. Loading of a pointer into a register looks like this: movw r0, #:lower16:label movt r0, #:upper16:label In this case there are two relocations - one for lower halfword and another for upper. If an overflow of lower 16 bits occurs during relocation process, the upper one should be updated as well. Unfortunately with current patch and with typical ARM executables there is not enough information to perform the calculations. There are two options - the first one would be to give up and go back to "fake" executables, another one would be to change from REL to RELA relocation info. The latter contains an addend, extra data which can be used to perform all the relocation calculations I need. Decided for the second option. The patch is already in the works. There is another function for the binutils' bfd backend to perform the final relocation. There can decide what to do with every reloc info, modify data and eventually strip some symbols. An advantage is - at this stage of the linking process have also full access to all local symbols so can change all relocations section relative and eventually strip all symbols from the files. === GPU === Most of start.elf runs on the GPU. Placing ALL the userland GPU code in the videocore.hidd isn't going to be a terribly big problem because the code they published is nothing more than a shim that sends data straight to the GPU to execute. The good news about this is that we only need to write our HIDD using the OpenVG API. The shim is relatively small codewise and lives in the ARM memory (the actual OpenVG code itself lives in the GPU RAM area and its loaded from start.elf). That's also the bad news. Our driver has to translate AROS video calls to OpenVG calls, for most tasks it should be easy, for some, not so much. It's still probably less difficult and less work, than controlling the GPU directly. The other good news is that anything done through OpenVG happens on the GPU, its truly accelerated. It also has some nice font functions, meaning we can lead into an accelerated text mode later. Basically, AROS resets or locks up when it tries to use AROS_ATOMIC_INC or DEC. If I comment out the byte/word operations in the header files and use non-atomic operations, the code works as expected. have read that the L1 cache needs to be enabled to use LDREX and co (which I also read is only meant to be used on multi processor systems with shared memory) - however I am certain this is correctly enabled. If you are using LREX or STREX, you should have L1 cache enabled, at least on the ARM CPU I work with at work. L1 cache is enabled by enabling the MMU *AND* setting the C and I bits in the CPU - the C bit is ignored, and the I bit only covers the 16 byte instruction pipeline if the MMU is not enabled. Can you verify that your assembly is generating LDREX/STREX? From the behavior, it almost sounds like its generating the default Semaphore locked atomics. Impossible. There are no semaphore-locked atomics. There are Disable()/Enable()-based ones instead. And there's a special #define AROS_NO_ATOMIC_OPERATIONS in this case, which tweaks Disable()/Enable() implementations not to recurse forever. I have tested this on ARMv5 which does not have ldrex/strex, it works fine. On those ARMs there's no way to have real atomics. On other OSes (like Linux) this is done by introducing things like atomic_t, which appears to be a complex structure, holding the value together with accompanying spinlock (implemented using swp). #warning "TODO: lookup optimal mmu table settings for raspi memory" /* Set up an identity-mapping for all 4GB */ for(x = 0; x < 4096; x ++) { pagetable[x] = x<<20 | (0x40002|0x80000|0x010000|0x00C00|0x04); } Shouldn't there be a second loop that sets the 'C' bit in the descriptor for the RAM pages? Currently, you have TEX=0, C=0, B=1 for all pages (Shared Device). You should have TEX=0, C=1, B=0 for RAM (Write-Through, Cached) So .. pagetable[x] = x<<20 | 2; should be enough? No, for RAM you need to change the '| 0x40' to '| 0x80' tell dosboot the correct defaults to use Please don't do this. This bootconfig.c is a deprecated legacy thing. I wanted it to go away completely with time. Instead, display drivers should auto-install themselves during own initialization phase. I. e. detect hardware=>instantiate itself. This should make things way simpler. With this approach you only need to add the driver into KS image to get the device autobooted. No hardcoded stuff. Currently VESA and VGA drivers do this, look there for examples. never rewrote ATI driver because i don't have any test system for it. they defined a smaller AROSCPUContext than the ExceptionContext - yet reference it as ExceptionContext in other places, and since it hasn't allocated enough storage for ExceptionContext, are corrupting memory/the structure (since the elements that are there don't map 1 to 1 with the exception context). AFAIK, AROS has been moving in a different direction to this in recent years. It is the job of graphics HIDDs to allocate bitmaps etc. so that they have the most suitable characteristics, including allocating them from GPU RAM where possible. The concept of chip RAM is only for legacy code, and most if not all non-68k platforms should have all system RAM marked as chip. BTW, is the video processing code you mention CPU code or GPU code? Also, IIRC we have support for "external memory allocators". Perhaps that's what we need for the allocation of GPU RAM through the mailbox. All hosted and x86 native ports should use proper context formats. trying to clarify if the vblank handler has to have run by this point to prevent this deadlock. Actually, no. Unless you have installed VBlank handler which should wake up at some point. Without VBlank there will be no quantum count. Consequently, there will be no forced preemption. But the rest will work, and multitasking will be cooperative (switch happens only when current task voluntarily gives up the CPU). Does it depend on the vblank having run before this point? and if yes what does that mean on systems where it might be able to run enough code (e.g. get to this point) before the vblank interrupt has triggered? What is it waiting for? It could wait for timer, in this case you need timer.device working. VBlank is currently needed for exec's quantum counter. In current native ports we have only a single timer, which is served by timer.device. VBlank is simulated by timer.device also. If your machine has two timers, then you can use one of them for VBlank, and another for timer.device, this will simplify things down. VBlank needs to be 50 Hz for historical reasons, many programs use it as cheap timer. I am periodically thinking about making some abstract mechanism to be able to change quantum source (and untie it from 50 Hz), but have no time to come up with something good. Additionally i started disliking timer.device hardcoded design when PC has got many timers (old 8253, APIC, HPET). Currently i think there should be some low-level entity representing tick source. timer.device should just select the most appropriate source for its units. The BCM2835 has 4 GPU based timer sources - 2 are used by the GPU, so im using Timer3 for our heartbeat and the remaining one will be free to the system. There is also the less capable ARM timer but that is dependent on the CPU frequency. Very good. You won't need any emulation. Set the heartbeat to 50 Hz and drive VBlank from it. Use other timer for MicroHZ. Can you use the 'econsole.hook' I make for debugging the Sam460 via the serial port? It provides a before-anything-else shell prompt on the serial port. You can then do 'NewCLI' to test your graphics, or use any DOS command in shellcommands.resource. You should just be able to add econsole.hook to your module list, and use 'econsole' in your bootargs. So long as you have a working Exec/RawMayGetChar and Exec/RawPutChar, it should work. Also make sure to add shell.resource and shellcommands.resource for this. That should have done it. If you set "#define DEBUG 1" in arch/all-native/econsole/econsole.c, do you get any additional serial output? have added it to the build and added econsole to the command line - and can see the bootloader picks up on the emergency bootconsole tag, but I still only get the insert bootable media display? Im assuming it exposes a fake filesystem that tricks aros into booting? The contents of which are: ECON:AROS.boot Way to handle the scheduling code? The implementations I had been following were causing problems, due to cascading interrupts which I cant handle properly in the asm stubs just now (when they break disable etc.) - since it means detecting the interrupted codes cpu mode and getting the correct sp/lr for it, and that's just too tedious for arm. To work around this ive added a system idle task which does nothing - and when the scheduling code has no task to run switches this in and lets it run, thereby allowing the interrupts etc to resume until something does need to happen. Also, by adding accounting code to cpu_Switch() and cpu_Dispatch(), it should allow the system to log idle time correctly (as well as running tasks). have thought of also adding an additional task that never runs, solely to record time spent in IRQ handlers, but I digress.. was under the impression that kernel.resource should *never* be used outside of exec.library. This is a wrong impression. Michal started designing it because portable nature of AROS does not fit well into exec's API with all its assumptions. So, he started the new, hardware-agnostic kernel API from scratch. Yes, exec sits on top of it in places. But kernel always meant to be open thing. Otherwise it would not exist. it wasn't meant to be just used willy nilly by user code - but by lower system components (e.g. exec) so that they could be implemented in a more generic fashion, and the kernel resource itself hide the systems quirks. Adding new things there perfectly keeps up with our decision to minimize AROS-specific intervention into APIs which can clash with MorphOS/OS4 extensions. We want at least source-level compatibility there. Binary compatibility on PPC would be extremely cool, but at the other hand we have no maintainer for this, as well as their ABIs are a bit weird and far from optimal, especially MorphOS one, because it aims for m68k binary compatibility. It depends on what exactly is being implemented - there's no reason we should have everything crammed into kernel.resource if it doesn't need to be (i.e. if its better suited as a separate component/subsystem in its own right) The _LE versions are for when you have endian swapping taking place. If the graphics are the same endian as the CPU, no swapping should occur. I ran into a similar terminology problem in SDL with a friend insisting that his Radeon 7000 on his PC was big-endian. It is not, it just uses the same endianness for the graphics card and the CPU so no swapping was necessary. They were both little-endian. The _LE versions are because the PixFmts refer to the bitmap data being in big endian format in memory, for which the normal version would need to do endianness conversion before applying the shifts/masks. on this platform it is in _LE in memory also so we don't need the conversion hence using the _LE version of the call). would use _LE (if it's really little endian 16 bit mode). What is the bare minimum needed to implement a framebuffer based gfx driver, with our software handling the rest? I have tried with just a gfx class that only expose new/dispose/newbitmap - and having an onscreenbitmap used only for the framebuffer itself (with all other bitmaps being chunkybm, and the framebuffer's superclass also being chunkybm), but that alone isn't enough it seems? You can use workbench/hidds/sm502/ as your example - it is as simple as I could make it. So, AROS creates the framebuffer bitmap (I have verified this) -> so surely it should be capable of then rendeing into it? I don't actually create the framebuffer "bitmap object" myself - only as a result of being asked to. I so far have -: vc_init: queries the gpus memory, and sets up a fake memory handler for it, then adds the bootmode driver and returns saying all is well vc_gfxhidd:New: sets up some fake syncmodes to test with and creates the real gfx object. vc_gfxhidd:NewBitmap: checks if its a framebuffer and uses the onbitmap class or uses the chunkybm class otherwise vc_onbitmap:New; creates a chunkybm object and then pushes the real framebuffer address into it as the buffer, So, AROS creates the framebuffer bitmap (I have verified this) -> so surely it should be capable of then rendeing into it? I don't actually create the framebuffer "bitmap object" myself - only as a result of being asked to. The code I currently have on SVN seems to create the framebuffers bitmap object fine, but then crashes in intuitions DisplayDriver callback. In particular it crashes performing the getattr on the system default pointer. don't expose MEMF_CHIP in an allocatable form so AllocSpriteData was failing (and other code later doesn't check if the values are valid == illegal memory accesses) Actually MEMF_CHIP has to present, for historical reasons. This has been never fully agreed upon, but in ports i wrote i exposed the whole memory as MEMF_CHIP. The idea behind this is that CHIP is originally the memory where graphics and sound data can be put. On non-Amiga platforms there are no restrictions on this, so the whole memory is CHIP. Yes, many old software can misbehave with CHIP memory size larger than 2MB. But this actually applies only to m68k AROS which is going to run m68k binaries. In other cases it's quite logical to fix the program when porting. As to original question: yes, it's enough to have a framebuffer bitmap (one with aoHidd_BitMap_FrameBuffer set to TRUE) and PutPixel routine. It framebuffer can be served by chunky bitmap class, then you can simply create chunky bitmap with your own buffer (see how VESA driver does this). Chunky PutPixel is already there. struggling to determine what is the correct pixfmt to use for the 24/16/15 bit gfx modes on the RasPi. AFAIK it uses RGB565, for 16bit but im unsure what shifts etc should go with it? suffice to say Im getting the wrong colors so far lol. <pre> redmask: 0x0000F800 greenmask: 0x000007E0 bluemask: 0x0000001F alphamask: 0 redshift: 16 greenshift: 21 blueshift: 27 alphashift: 0 </pre> It should likely be vHidd_StdPixFmt_RGB16_LE This stuff is a bit confusing. The "names" of the stdpixfmts are based on the layout in memory, ignoring endianess. So for example: ARGB32: will be 0xAA 0xRR 0xGG 0xBB in memory on both big endian and little endian machines. The shifts and masks OTOH are based on pixel access (ULONG in this case), so differ depending on whether you run on big endian machine or little endian machine (that's why there's stdpixfmt_le.h and stdpixfmt_be.h in rom/hidds/graphics/). With the 16 bit pixel format it's even more confusing, as for example it's impossible on little endian machine to describe RGB16 with shifts/masks alone. That's why there's vHidd_PixFmt_SwapPixelBytes_Flag. (RGB16 == RRRRRGGG GGGBBBBB in memory, and for pixel (WORD) access on little endian machine it needs to be accessed as GGGBBBBBRRRRRGGGG). The shifts btw indicate how much to shift the component to the left (!) so that it is moved to the highest bit (31). The aHidd_PixFmt_StdPixFmt you specify will be ignored most of the time, because when the pixelfmt is registered, the gfx hidd checks if there's an identical pixfmt (shifts/masks/etc., but ignoring pixfmt->stdpixfmt) already in the system, and if so, it uses the already existing one and does not create a new one. In theory it would be better if gfx drivers could simply/only specify a StdPixFmt without all the shifts/masks stuff when the gfx driver uses pixfmt which matches one of the stdpixfmts exactly. Another possibility would be for gfx drivers to use HIDD_Gfx_GetPIxFmt(stdpixfmt_gfx_driver_wants_to_use) and then peek shifts/masks from it and fill out a pixfmt tag list based on that. 15bit very blue/green: Try to pass same shifts/masks/etc. as in 16 bit pixfmt (maybe you think it's using 15 bit R5G5B5 (or swapped) but it's actually still using 16 bit R5G6B5 (or swapped). aHidd_PixFmt_StdPixFmt you pass is mostly ignored. It's the shift/masks/etc. that count. But I would still pass the correct one (_LE) == whatever rom/hidds/graphics/stdpixfmts_??.h uses in the entry where you have looked up shifts/masks/etc. Use the shifts/masks/etc. from the entry in stdpixfmt_le.h (if you are running on little endian machine) or stdpixfmt_be.h (if you are running on little endian machine) that matches the pixfmt that its meant to be. 0xAA,0xRR,0xGG,0xBB on little endian (->entry in stdpixfmt_le.h which says vHidd_StdPixFmt_ARGB32) 0xBB,0xGG,0xRR,0xAA on little endian (->entry in stdpixfmt_le.h which says vHidd_StdPixFmt_BGRA32) 0xAA,0xRR,0xGG,0xBB on big endian (->entry in stdpixfmt_be.h which says vHidd_StdPixFmt_ARGB32) 0xBB,0xGG,0xRR,0xAA on big endian (->entry in stdpixfmt_be.h which says vHidd_StdPixFmt_BGRA32) it feels like AROS trashes the alpha component, otherwise it should be 8A8R8G8B. read on the subject suggest its in 1x5r5g5b (x is ignored) to keep 16bit alignment . What I see on screen suggests to me that wrong shift/mask are being applied - however going by the 16bit versions it all looks correct to me so I am really confused as to what is happening. The output image looks to have too much green/blue, and very weak red. Why did usbromstartup become HW-specific ? In the past i have done a big job separating kickstart into several parts. I have never got any responses, so i re-describe my idea. For now it loads the hs otg chipset driver .. The idea is to minimize amount of archirecture-specific modules to make user's life easier. So, the kickstart was split into 'base' (which does not contain anything machine-specific) and 'BSP' (Board Support Package) which contains all hardware-specific stuff. This way, for example, distribution makers can save up space on CD and make CDs with multiple platform support. Different configuration would load the same base with different BSP's. Next there was some part which is entirely missing on hosted. These are filesystems. Hosted ports do not need them to boot up, so on hosted they are left out. At the other hand, they are also architecture-agnostic. So i put them into 'FS' package (standing for 'filesystem'). Poseidon is one more big part. I made it into separate package in order to allow users to omit it if they don't need it (for example, to run on retro PCs without USB). Personally i have one. Again, Poseidon is hardware-agnostic (well, there are USB drivers but HCIs are pretty standard). It's mandatory on PI since there are no other interface types - so being a separate package is irrelevant/pointless. Is Raspberry's USB controller non-HCI compliant? Actually i expect it to be compliant, then wouldn't it be better to make existing drivers discovering them? AFAIK its HCI 1.0 compliant but I'm not familiar enough with poseidons drivers, nor USB, to just hack away at the existing code. Perhaps once i'm more familiar with the workings I can merge in the changes needed to get it operating but for now I will focus on getting it running. Also our drivers have known issues so perhaps a fresh set of eyes might shed some light on what is going wrong. Another interesting question is whether Poseidon can operate on device side. Is it flexible enough? How similar is being a USB host and USB device? think it will need a bit of work on Poseidon's side. Until then I will force the driver into Host/Master mode in the init code, but leave open device etc to configure the chipset for either's use - and look at trying to add support for working in Device/Slave mode & switching modes once it's up and running. Actually USBROMStartup is some kind of kludge. Can there be any alternative? Could device drivers be self-installing, like our HIDDs? This would get rid of need to list them in USBRomStartup. And there is one more thing about modular ports. In order to actually implement this, your bootstrapping environment should provide the ability to load several files. On PC this is provided by GRUB2. on CHRP you can read filesystem via OpenFirmware, and Sam's Parthenope relies on modified u-boot. If your bootstrap allows to load only a single file, then you stuck with monolithic kickstart. By the way... u-boot allows not only to boot up a single uImage or zImage, it also allows to write client programs AFAIK. With this approach, you actually can write modular bootstrap for ARM AROS using unmodified u-boot. [http://repo.or.cz/w/AROS.git/commit/e7bdc7e7b7f12b07aa24c739abb63721a872a53a arasan eMMC sdcard controller specific header which is not USB] and [http://repo.or.cz/w/AROS.git/commit/8bd19674084526a534ac11f7d4c51932e9ffe3d2 added prelim sdcard device]. [http://repo.or.cz/w/AROS.git/commit/9ab8217f61911fb8b7fd41bee46a992b4668ced1 do not set 4bit data mode, or enable acmd12/dma int's]. === Misc === ===Hosted=== ==== Linux ==== Change lxde to another sudo leafpad /etc/x11/xinit/xinitrc xorg.conf <pre> Section "Screen" Identifier "Default Screen" DefaultDepth 16 SubSection "Display" # Viewport 0 0 Depth 16 Modes "800x600" EndSubsection EndSection Section "Device" Option "Backingstore" Identifier "Card0" EndSection </pre> Will raspberrypi ARM programs run on other ARM archs and vice-versa ? If not I would like to use different cpu names for archs which are incompatible. All code compiled for at most armv6 with softfp float abi will work on all softfp ARM targets, including raspberry. Code compiled for hard-float ABI will not work on any softfp target. But then, hard-float abi uses -armhf- cpu name. keyboard or mouse not functioning or partly working lsmod kernel and modules (stored in /lib/modules/ get from https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware and click on ZIP button) have to be updated simultaneously sudo Apt-Get Update sudo Apt-Get Install <program > <program > cksfv joystick p7zip-full stopwatch mtpaint searchmonkey zip geany renameutils fbreader unrar-free mhwaveedit xpad milkytracker grafx par2 libreoffice epiphany-browser xbmc ace-of-penguins gweled black-box petris xmahjongg thrust fceu freesci frotz xgammon tuxpuck littlewizard xsoldier micropolis xbubble eboard&xboard (freezes) bomberclone OMXPlayer not responding or working with keyboard or no sound audio through HDMI LXterminal—command "OMXPlayer -o hdmi %f " hdmi issues Setting the hdmi_force_hotplug=1 makes sure the Pi believes the monitor/TV is really there. You might also need to set config_hdmi_boost=4 or even higher (up to 9) if your display needs a stronger signal. If the display is a computer monitor or newer tv, use hdmi_group=1 (auto HDMI use) and if it is an older TV, try hdmi_group=2 (for DMT formats, i.e. for PC monitors) then you HAVE to "set hdmi_drive = 2 to enable HDMI output as this forces HDMI mode rather than DVI mode Do not set hdmi_safe=1 as that overrides many of the previous options. Using a shorter or better quality HDMI cable might help. Make sure your Pi's power supply delivers 1 A and not 500 mA. If you see a problem with the red colour - either absent, or interference - then try a boost composite video changing the RCA cable, then the composite port worked out of the box Boot it as you are doing, without HDMI. If you now plug in the HDMI, do you get the image? In other words, does the Pi think HDMI is connected even when it isn't? Rename all the files in the first partion of the card except bootcode.bin, start.elf and fixup.dat What's the result? Put back config.txt What's the result? for PAL mode sdtv_mode=2 dmi_ignore_hotplug Pretends HDMI hotplug signal is not asserted so it appears a HDMI display is not attached hdmi_ignore_hotplug=1 Use composite mode even if HDMI monitor is detected <pre> # NOOBS Auto-generated Settings: #hdmi_force_hotplug=1 #config_hdmi_boost=4 #overscan_left=24 #overscan_right=24 #overscan_top=16 #overscan_bottom=16 #disable_overscan=0 start_x=1 gpu_mem=128 </pre> tvservice -c "PAL 4:3" <pre> /opt/vc/bin/tvservice -s or tvservice -s state: HPD high|HDMI mode|HDCP off|composite off (0x12001a), 1920x1080 @ 60 Hz, progressive /opt/vc/bin/tvservice -m CEA Group CEA has 1 modes: (native) mode 16: 1920x1080 @ 60 Hz, progressive /opt/vc/bin/tvservice -m DMT Group DMT has 0 modes: </pre> sudo amixer cset numid=3 1 forces the audio to the headphone jack, even with the HDMI video output plugged in config.txt the hdmi_ignore_edid_audio=1 option sems relevant as it should tell ALSA that the only available audio is analog, no matter what the display says There are several different ways that these 4 pole (ring) composite analog cables can be wired up, so some work great in some applications and can be a waste of time in others. What is needed for the Raspberry Pi B+ and above, which like many camcorders needs the ring contact next to the base contact to be the ground. The wiring for the 4 pole are: TIP (LEFT AUDIO CHANNEL) RING 1 (RIGHT AUDIO CHANNEL) RING 2 (GROUND/EARTH) RING 3 BASE/SLEEVE (VIDEO) YELLOW Most Apple based Players and the Microsoft Zune (TM) are wired this way. Most analogue camcorders are wired this way as well, where the ground in on Ring 2 will work with the Pi although you may need to swap your Video plug with the Right Audio plug. Nearly all other MP3 players are not wired this way, the ground is on another ring ie the wrong one. External devices * Camera Module Omnivision ov5647 Sunny 5MP (NoIR version) V1.3 - NoIR at 850&nbsp;nm, peak at 880&nbsp;nm and trails off at 940&nbsp;nm wavelengths * Camera V2 Sony IMX219 V2.1 8mpixel 8MP 8megapixel - 3280 x 2464 pixels - video at 1080p30, 720p60 and 640x480p90 - wider field of view, 62 vs 54 degrees horizontally - * Branded WIFI usb BCM43143 dongle N.B. dreaded error after changing cameras (stupidly without turning off the power first) and lasted through several power cycles. It can be a bad 15-pin FFC ribbon cable, when swapped, camera(s) and the Pi itself are working OK. It can be an instance of a cold solder joint on the CSI connector on the pi board. the camera can be detected (that's done via I2C) but may still not be able to receive image data (done via CSI-2) if something is broken. CSI-2 is uni-directional. Control is generally done via I2C. The CSI-2 receiver always writes to memory, not direct to the ISP. That's the way the Broadcom architecture works as it allows multipass processing easily. GPU memory is accessible from the ARM. Processing using the QPU graphics processors may be possible. currently the only supported sensor is OV5647 and IMX219. The linux drivers are all in the firmware blob, else you'd be looking at at least a man-month of work in a fully fledged imaging lab to do a decent tuning of the camera modules' ISP parameters. Static electricity maybe an issue for the camera module and slightly less for the pi board. * Hosted under ARM Linux which needs to be already installed [http://www.aros.org/nightly1.php current ABIv1] Help building AROS hosted on Linux ARM I was looking a way to use more my Handheld ARM based called Pyra (Dragonbox Pyra) an ARM (Omap5 cpu with 4GB ram) linux based machine (Debian Buster v10 with kernel 5.6.19 adapted) and have a try to compile the latest Aros sources by Deadwood directly on this device. Compilation stops after build libpopupmenu.a and trying to build libatomic have this error: <pre> Configuring build in bin/linux-arm/gen/host/tools/crosstools/gnu/gcc/arm-aros/libatomic configure: WARNING: unrecognized options: --disable-nls, --without-x checking for --enable-version-specific-runtime-libs... no checking for --enable-generated-files-in-srcdir... no checking build system type... arm-unknown-linux-gnu checking host system type... arm-unknown-aros checking target system type... arm-unknown-aros checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c checking whether build environment is sane... yes checking for arm-aros-strip... /media/farox/pyra2/arosbuilds/toolchain-core-armhf/arm-aros-strip checking for a thread-safe mkdir -p... /usr/bin/mkdir -p checking for gawk... no checking for mawk... mawk checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes checking whether make supports nested variables... yes checking for arm-aros-gcc... /media/farox/pyra2/arosbuilds/toolchain-core-armhf/arm-aros-gcc checking whether the C compiler works... no configure: error: in /media/farox/pyra2/arosbuilds/toolchain-core-armhf-build/bin/linux-arm/gen/host/tools/crosstools/gnu/gcc/arm-aros/libatomic': configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables See config.log' for more details make[2]: *** [mmakefile:4489: /media/farox/pyra2/arosbuilds/toolchain-core-armhf-build/bin/linux-arm/gen/host/tools/crosstools/gnu/gcc/arm-aros/libatomic/.configured] Error 77 [MMAKE] make --no-print-directory TOP=/media/farox/pyra2/arosbuilds/toolchain-core-armhf-build SRCDIR=/media/farox/pyra2/arosbuilds/AROS CURDIR=tools/crosstools/gnu TARGET=tools-crosstools-gcc-libatomic-configure -s --file=mmakefile tools-crosstools-gcc-libatomic-configure failed: 512 [MMAKE] Error: Error while running make in tools/crosstools/gnu: No such file or directory make[1]: *** [Makefile:361: linklibs-libatomic] Error 10 make: *** [Makefile:183: crosstools] Error 2 </pre> looking at config.log on arosbuilds/toolchain-core-armhf-build/bin/linux-arm/gen/host/tools/crosstools/gnu/gcc/arm-aros/libatomic i found that arosbuilds/toolchain-core-armhf/arm-aros-ld: cannot find -laeabi so i do make linklibs-aeabi-arm-quick and the missing lib was built. now the next stop is at fatal error: bits/libc-header-start.h: No such file or directory and fatal error: sys/cdefs.h: No such file or directory in many places so after checking that i have this missing include files i have noted that my include path is a bit different, standard searching path is /usr/arm-linux-gnueabihf but in my system is /usr/include/arm-linux-gnueabihf so if i add my path to some mmakefiles compilation goes on....but is a better way to add this path to avoid every mmakefiles to be changed? i fixed with adding -I/usr/include/arm-linux-gnueabihf to where is missing on mmakefiles like USER_INCLUDES := -isystem $(GENINCDIR) -I/usr/include/arm-linux-gnueabihf $(KERNEL_INCLUDES) P.s. I have changed many mmakefiles and have at least compiled (after many hours) the toolchain doing make every time in arosbuilds/toolchain-core-armhf-build (also have to disable making tests under cplusplus but don't remember the directory ...) but i ask an help to have an automated way to correctly build without modify mmakefiles. Last time I built armhf target was around 2 years ago. At that point I built is via cross-compilation from linux (ubuntu 22.04) using linux armhf crosscompiler (this can explain the path differences you are experiencing) as well as using AROS gcc cross-compiler in version 6.5.0 (build with option 21) in rebuild.sh). Since then AROS GCC has been updated to 10.5.0 and I don't believe anyone tried to build the armhf target again. My suggestion would be to downgrade GCC to 6.5.0 (via editing AROS/config/gcc_def file) and try to first build using cross-compilation from x86_64 linux. Once that works, you will have a "template" to compare to native compilation under arm linux. Thanks for your suggestion...but i think the toolchain with GCC 10.5.0 is compilable if i found a way to pass the path of my system to the script that build (option 21 on rebuild). The other only changes are (but i don't know where to modify...) is to add the build of libaeabi and disable the building of some tests under cplusplus that use exceptions and is not supported under ARM. I'll try to crosscompile with my Linux amd64 PC. For paths look into core-linux-armhf/bin/linux-armhf/gen/config/target.cfg. A number of build-wide variable is set there containing paths to local build system. These variables and the target.cfg file are generated by AROS ./configure script. Thanks compilation now go forward...i changed target.cfg under "toolchain-core-armhf-build/bin/linux-arm/gen/config" and do make on "toolchain-core-armhf-build" dir. Now i need to find where to enable build libaeabi.a so i can build the entire toolchain with option 21 of rebuild.sh I found something that looks like libeabi in AROS/arm-all/arm-aeabi/mmakefile.src. Try adding a third line there: #MM- linklibs-armhd : libklibs-aeabi-arm Though I don't remember needing this library. Possibly the 6.5.0 GCC somehow does this while 10.5.0 is missing this. I try adding this line (and the variant "linklibs-armhf" instead of hd) but it did not solve the automatic building of the missing lib. I must do "linklibs-aeabi-arm-quick". Anyway after have build the aeabi lib i succefully built the toolchain (after many hours...). Smile To test I restarted from selecting option 21 (on rebuild.sh) but after many hours i get the same error of the kernel includes not found...maybe i need to modify the configure script for my case. With the toolchain built i try to build the core-linux-armhf (DEBUG) (option 22) but after a while it stopped with "cannot find -laeabi " so i made it built manually...and now i can continue compiling...i'll let you know if all goes ok. Please ignore the [http://www.aros.org/nightly.php deprecated unused ABI] [http://www.aeros-os.org/styled-11/index.html Hosted free on Linux for R Pi works well] 530dn3zvz0syuvo36lpgirpkukwd7hk 0 370358 4637170 3174753 2026-05-23T10:56:43Z Theobondolfi 2430737 added link to wikiskills on wikibooks 4637170 wikitext text/x-wiki {{wikiskills}} '''The Wikinomics project followed the [[WikiSkills Handbook|WikiSkills]] project and implemented the concepts explored and the training scenarios defined in the earlier project. Several user cases are presented in this page.''' ==Practical implementation of training practices based upon a generic learning scenario : Training Wiki Gardener== ''[[WikiSkills Handbook/Training Wiki Gardener|Access full scenario: Training Wiki Gardener]]'' The Wikinomics project aimed to use free-culture and wiki methodologies as the basis for an innovative pedagogical methodology, specifically focused on vocational education that prepares people for specific careers. The main objectives of WikiNomics were: # Developing a framework of key-competences, transversal to all VET sectors, required for employability and for the environment of the rapidly changing labour market and work life. Key-competences include collaboration, ICT literacy, communication in mother tongue and foreign languages, learning to learn, social and civic awareness, sense of initiative and entrepreneurship. # Setting free culture and wiki methodologies as the basis for an innovative pedagogical approach. It implemented learning scenarios in which students use free culture and wiki methodologies, in the context of collaborative common projects, to achieve learning outcomes. One of the operational objectives of the Wikinomics project was to develop, implement and evaluate a training module for the pedagogical use of free-culture and wiki methodologies in VET contexts and to conduct a series of collaborative wiki-based learning scenarios in which VET trainers will conduct meaningful activities in order to achieve shared results and learning outcome. This was done through the adaptation of the pedagogical approach developed through the Wikiskills project. This adaptation was mainly developed to be coherent with ECVET System. A training module was developed, with the selection and implementation of learning units that promote personal and group skills. Under the title '''[[:File:Wikinomics Deliverables Result N8-final.pdf|Training Wiki Gardener]]''' a generic learning scenario has been developed which could be implemented in different contexts, in order to initiate participants in aspects of wiki culture. ==Summary of the Training Wiki Gardener Scenario== [[File:Wikinomics Deliverables Result N8-final.pdf|thumb|right|The '''Training Wiki Gardener''' Scenario]]This deliverable is the first version of the Wikinomics training module consisting of a generic training scenario and pedagogical material on developing collaborative skills in online environments. It consists of choosing and implementing learning units that promote personal and group skills : editing and collaborating online, engaging in public conversation, social tagging, sustainable community governance, and propose a methodology to evaluate their deployment and organise their (peer) assessment in a ECVET or VET context. This document is part of the transfer strategy of the project that includes: building generic content, then allow for multiple localised sub-products matching partners needs and languages. In this sense, innovative and open results were deployed in partners custom training activities (Wikinomics training module and toolbox). This content is part of the open heritage for the WikiAngels network, as well as, the Wikinomics Badges that will be further pursued with more experts (WikiAngels) and organisations (Wikinomics Badge Academy), and any other interested entity. '''Keywords:''' Wikinomics; Collaboration; Learning how to learn; Skills; ECVET ==An overview to five training practices implemented== >> [[:File:AGuidetotheWikinomicstrainingpractices-overview.pdf|Download the overview]]. {| class="wikitable" style="background-color:#9999FF;" |style="width:8%; height:2em;" |'''Categories of analysis''' |style="width:23%; height:2em;" |'''Switzerland''' |style="width:23%; height:2em;" |'''Belgium''' |style="width:23%; height:2em;" |'''Poland''' |style="width:23%; height:2em;" |'''Portugal''' |- style="background-color:#EEEEEE;" |'''Application Center''' |Haute Ecole de Gestion De Geneve (HEG) |Toulouse University of BioSciences Universidad de Ciencias Médicas de Zaragoza |NOT Ostroleka / Ynternet.org |CIDEB Incubator - UCP Porto |-style="background-color:#FFFFFF;" |'''Subject of course''' |“The road to Wikinomcs”. On-line collaboration systems. The training was an adaptation of the generic Wikinomics scenario. |Entrepreneurship and Companies Innovation |Collaborative skills in online environments “Learning how to track changes and limit damage on collaborative websites” & “ Tagging and reusing images in a wikinomics way”. |Entrepreneurship initiatives from an idea to a business model “Planning a Business – Creating a Small Business: from business model generation to client development” Training based in wikinomics concepts, including collaboration across the entrepreneurship path, different business models to inspire participation ant the involvement of the community of potential customers to validate decisions<br> Course 1: complete program of workshops designed to support initial pre-incubation teams<br> Course 2 – Optional module proposed to Bioengineering Master Students<br> Course 3 – Complete program or workshops designed to support initial pre-incubation teams |- style="background-color:#EEEEEE;" |'''Download complete description''' |[[File:Wikinomics HEG-training-report.pdf|thumb|HEG-training-report]] |[[File:Wikinomics MAC-TEAM-training-report.pdf|thumb|MAC-TEAM-training-report]] |[[File:Wikinomics Yorg-NOT-training-report.pdf|thumb|Yorg-NOT-training-report]] |[[File:Wikinomics CiDEB-training-report.pdf|thumb|CiDEB-training-report]] |- style="background-color:#FFFFFF;" |'''Field of application''' |Transversal field |Biotech |VET - Construction industry |Business development |- style="background-color:#EEEEEE;" |'''Connection with VET''' |HEG is, indirectly part of the Swiss vocational education and training system as a number of its students come from a vocational school. Swiss Universities of Applied Sciences (HES - HEG) offer vocational education at tertiary |This workshops aims to develop the Entrepreneurship mindset for PhD and/or PostDoc who may be involved in start-ups on spin-off within few years. This training may be implemented in any professional and sectorial context |Vocational Education and training |The training offered a learning path to structure entrepreneurship initiatives from an idea to a business model, envisaging validation through customer development. Training design enriches existing VET reference modules. In Portugal follows the Unidades de Formaçao de Curta Doraçao . Ciencias Empresariais i Empreendedorismo |- style="background-color:#FFFFFF;" |'''Users''' |Variety of societal target groups: trainers and trainees, job and second career seekers, low skilled or looking for specialization workers |PhD and/or PostDoc who may be involved in start-ups on spin-off within few years Toulouse: 10 users (24-37 years old) |Main target groups involved in the construction industry,: preparing for the exam on building licensees and those already having such powers, including candidates and members of the Chamber building |Course 1 – 2 project teams (6 participants) ages range from 21 to 26 Course 2 – 26 participants, ages range from 21 to 26 (Bioengineering Master Students) |- style="background-color:#EEEEEE;" | |18 participants, age 22 - 28 |Zaragoza: 18 users (23-35 years old) |Teachers of foreign languages, social economy workers, and IT students |Course 3 – 4 project teams (6 participants), ages range from 21 to 30 Youth and adults regardless of their skill level |- style="background-color:#FFFFFF;" |'''Goals''' |To understand collaboration phenomena in the Wikinomics area, as well as practicing online collaboration in social bookmarking applications: Understanding the fundamental elements constituting the digital environment of the private and public sectors in the wikinomics context Associate this approach with a general contribution to eCulture movement Propose practical outcome within online collaboration systems |To know B iotech Innovation in practices Identify skills, abilities, and perception on success criteria of the entrepreneurship. |To Initiate participants in wiki culture aspects and to propose guidelines of working and collaboration |To know business model generation and client development methodologies to structure a business project To develop critical and creative thinking on key concepts of generation and validation of business model To know how to develop an iterative process exploiting the potential of collaboration To know how to generate business models and how to validate them |- style="background-color:#EEEEEE;" |'''Didactic approach''' |Collaborative work |Collaborative work Classic presentations |Theoretical exhibition by expert S upport teacher |Presentation of methodologies and tools |- style="background-color:#FFFFFF;" | |Presentation and discussion on theoretical issues Practical activities Working in pairs Teacher acting as an agenda setter and content provider with participants acting autonomously on their activities Lessons were mostly face-to-face with concrete online results |Analyses real cases from biotech field to review existing innovation strategy |Practical work by users Group work Individual work Online training except the evaluation process, done through a face-to-face test. |Group work with multiple outcomes Autonomous workgroup Improvement based on workgroup collaboration Presentation of intermediate and final outcomes |- style="background-color:#EEEEEE;" |'''Timing''' |30 days in 15 weeks during one semester |10 days social bookmarking started with 1 online session. 4 half days working session |Planning: 7 days by face to face sessions, of 2 hours each session (14 hours) But was tested only online. |Course 1: 25 hours ECVET (12 hours face-to-face and 12 hours of autonomous work) Course 2: 25 hours ECVET (12 hours face-to-face and 12 hours of autonomous work) Course 3: 25 hours ECVET (12 hours face-to face and 12 hours of autonomous work) |- style="background-color:#FFFFFF;" |'''Training in relation with other''' |This course is a part of their bachelor's degree. The training was an adaptation of the Training |Independent workshop. No connection with existing program. |Subject is part of huge training |Course 1: complete program of workshops designed to support initial pre-incubation teams |- style="background-color:#EEEEEE;" | |“Wiki” Gardeners: a generic Wikinomics | | |Course 2: Optional module proposed to Biotechnology Master Students Course 3 – Complete program or workshops designed to support initial pre-incubation teams |- style="background-color:#FFFFFF;" |'''Activities and resources''' |Create a personal Diigo account and post urls on the HEG Digital group Search, analyze and compare existing systems of "social bookmarking" (i.e. Diigo, Zotero). Study C oWaBoo as a part of the original r esearch proposal, answer 5 questions, 5 minutes Testing the prototype CoWaBoo, as well as the A PI version The course on Wikipedia : add Diigo article in the French Wikipedia. |Real case resolution Problem Based Learning collected from web (communication, marketing, financial figures) |Formal presentation Demonstration Group work Expert explain, teacher translate and users work |Project: development of business models P rocess: structuration of the idea using the web tool canvanizer.com (or a business model canvas) Presentation and discussion |- style="background-color:#EEEEEE;" |'''LMS''' |Diigo and Zotero, social bookmarking platform CoWaBoo |Diigo for social bookmarking Google Drive for collaborative works on cases |Skype |Course 1: Dropbox and Google Drive Course 2: Blackboard |- style="background-color:#FFFFFF;" | | | |On one account, the expert. On the other account, a local teacher and all students Diigo |Course 3: dropbox and Google Drive |- style="background-color:#EEEEEE;" |'''Assessment''' |Creation of 2 blogposts on behalf of the students on social boomarking systems (Diigo and CoWaBoo) presented in their ePortofolios P resenting a profile of activities in the H EG Digital group, as well as, a set of personalised functions in class Completing the e valuation form of the course and the trainer |Group assessment: Participation in class and group works Sharing design of the innovation strategy for the cases and by the 20 min presentation Individual assessment: Self-assessment by individual reflective journal (synthesize the ideas he has learned) |Face-to-face test, questionnaire |Formative by participation and summative by the project design |- style="background-color:#FFFFFF;" |'''Competences''' |Documenting background information Tools and systems analysis Demonstrating existing functions Commenting the work of others |Own skills and abilities in the Entrepreneurship and Innovation topics |Wikis and collaboration Wiki editing tools Roles and collaboration in wiki environment Copyright issues and licensing tools License in sharing environments |Collaboration: level of cross-contributions Communication: level of project presentation Creativity: level of project innovation |- style="background-color:#EEEEEE;" | |Proposing improvements Presenting personalised versions of tools Keeping an online profile Selecting and adding tags | | | |- style="background-color:#FFFFFF;" |'''Certification''' |This course is a part of their bachelor's degree. | |Official certification of training. Qualification certificate related with ECVET . |A certificate is issued at the end of the course and badges are assigned |- style="background-color:#EEEEEE;" |'''Satisfaction participants''' |An online questionnaire was applied after the course. Punctuation is from 0 to 5: Information about the course objectives: 3 Motivation: 3 Coherence of the course: 3 Utility for my employability: 3 Activities: 4 Autonomy in the analysis of Wikinomics technologies: 3 Critical thinking capability: 4 Collaborative work: 4 A utoevaluation of the skills: 3-4 |An online questionnaire was applied after the courses. Punctuation is from 0 to 5. Before the course actions: objectives, motivation, positive impact: Toulouse 5/ Zaragoza 4 Organisation of the course: Toulouse 5, Zaragoza 4 The course (Coherence of the section, relation with the employability): Toulouse 5, Zaragoza 5 Pedagogical approach (learning outcomes, critical thinking, autoevaluation, collaborative work) : Toulouse: 5, Zaragoza 4 |Construction industry: a scale of 1-6 assessment were within 4-6 The other groups found the training as “good" with the notice to more carefully match the content and the form of the training to the competences of the target group. |An online questionnaire was applied after the course. The feedback was generally positive: The need of additional workshops or courses to deepen the theme. The need to create networking opportunities during the course. The need of a first customer program. |- style="background-color:#FFFFFF;" | |Coherence of the activities related with competences: 3 Trainer’s explanations: 4 Course objectives: 4 |Evaluation process: Toulouse: 5, Zaragoza 4. | | |- style="background-color:#EEEEEE;" |'''Course rate teacher''' |There is a clear challenge of mixing practical systems and technology analysis with critical thinking that could lead to new applications. |1 - The bookmarking activities were very useful to put on track students before face2face sessions 2- Collaborative works on material from real life has very good impact |The trainer with knowledge and skills for its transfer. Ensure good communication student – trainer. Use blended learning, not to give up the face-to –face trainings. |The course was a good tool for project mentoring. Follow-up should be assured |- style="background-color:#FFFFFF;" |'''Main difficulties''' |To move participants out of a passive role in the learning process and share with the engagement of co-learning, co-development. |Use of a Reflective Journal was difficult for so short sessions even if the interest was well accepted by students. |Only two sessions were held, thinking that the issues had autonomy, but really lacked the comprehensiveness of the course Another difficulty was the mode of application: “I applied only online and is recommended face to face” Insufficient knowledge of communication technologies Lower level of education Participants do not see the need of ICT for their work |The entrepreneurial profile of participants Need for additional training paths Unfavourable aspect: financial support for practical oriented programmes on entrepreneurship Strengths: personalization of the training, Focus on collaboration, Selection and evaluation of free information |} >> A 5th user case training practice may be found here : [[:File:Wikinomics yorg-training-report.pdf]] >> [http://www.wikinomics-project.eu/wp-content/uploads//Wikinomics_Deliverables_Result_N11-final.pdf A guide of evaluation to the Wikinomics project training practices] t76y6am2xw5ls9chxrll67etjfzwuo3 0 411821 4637101 4636465 2026-05-23T01:00:09Z JackBot 396820 Formatting, [[Special:UncategorizedPages]] 4637101 wikitext text/x-wiki This article examines evidence within the disciplines of developmental psychology, epigenetics and endocrinology when studying the causes of homosexuality, providing a wider understanding of the topic, due to the issues presented by evidence in these disciplines. == Developmental Psychology == A theory in [[wikipapers:Developmental_psychology|Developmental Psychology,]] labelled ‘Exotic becomes Erotic’<ref name=":2">1. Bem D. Exotic becomes Erotic: A Development Theory of Sexual Orientation. Psychological Review [Internet]. 1996 [cited 8 December 2019];103(2):320-335. Available from: <nowiki>https://doi.org/10.1037/0033-295X.103.2.320</nowiki></ref> (EBE) states that a child’s nature affects their interest for gender-conforming activities and peers. Applied to both homosexual and heterosexual individuals, children who do not conform to gender norms supposedly feel unfamiliarity with same-sex peers, producing increased autonomic arousal (i.e. erotic or romantic attraction) for members of the same sex<ref name=":2" />. Data taken from a study in San Francisco<ref name=":3">{{Citation|author1=Bell, Alan P|author2=Weinberg, Martin S|author3=Hammersmith, Sue Kiefer|author4=Alfred C. Kinsey Institute for Sex Research|title=Sexual preference : its development in men and women|publication-date=1981|publisher=Indiana University Press|isbn=978-0-253-16672-2}}</ref> concludes conformity to gender norms in childhood as being the most significant childhood indicator of sexual orientation for adult men and women. The study supporting this theory uses an observational research methodology - commonly found within [[wikipapers:Developmental_psychology|developmental psychology]]. The data from the San Francisco study<ref name=":3" /> presents evidence in the form of quantitative data, with no clarification on the classification of ‘gay’, ‘lesbian’ or ‘heterosexual’ individuals in the study. Individuals who were bisexual or did not fit into these categories may have been included in the table. Moreover, the study defines ‘sex-typical activities’ as ‘baseball and football’ for boys and ‘hopscotch, playing house or jacks’ for girls. With no proof supporting these assumptions, we see a common weakness in observational studies within developmental psychology - where evidence is susceptible to researcher bias, and accurate quantitative data cannot be produced. The study in San Francisco<ref name=":3" /> suggests a clear causal link between gender non-conformity in childhood and a homosexual orientation in adulthood, yet observational studies cannot permit cause and effect conclusions<ref name=":4">2. Methods of Collecting Data | Boundless Psychology [Internet]. Courses.lumenlearning.com. 2019 [cited 8 December 2019]. Available from: <nowiki>https://courses.lumenlearning.com/boundless-psychology/chapter/methods-of-collecting-data/</nowiki></ref>. Developmental psychology often uses the case study research method<ref name=":4" /> - which do not allow conclusions to be generalised to a larger population. Therefore, there are clear flaws existing in the evidence presented within this discipline. == Epigenetics == According to [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epigenetics epigenetics], sexual orientation is determined by the epigenome. The evidence that support this hypothesis lies in a series of empirical studies conducted on identical twins and the analysis of their DNA. Tung Ngun looked at the DNA of 47 set of twins, where 37 of them were discordant --meaning that one was gay and the other heterosexual-- and 10 where both twins identified as gay. By collecting and analyzing their DNA, he found that discordant twins had indeed the same code, but the way it functioned differed<ref>Healy M. Scientists find DNA differences between gay men and their straight twin brothers [Internet]. Los Angeles Times. 2015 [cited 9 December 2019]. Available from: <nowiki>https://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-genetic-homosexuality-nature-nurture-20151007-story.html</nowiki></ref>. Epigenetic marks (epi-marks) settle themselves on top of the genome and produce a chemical reaction which activates or deactivates parts of the gene. This process is called DNA methylation and acts according to the needs of a situation, affecting the overall expression of the gene<ref name=":1"> National Geographic Explains the Biology of Homosexuality [Internet]. Youtube.com. 2013 [cited 9 December 2019]. Available from: <nowiki>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H831wTEkSFE</nowiki> </ref>. In this case, epi-marks are responsible for switching on and off sex-specific traits: whether they be sexual identity, sexual preference or the development of genitals <ref>William R. Rice, Friberg, Urban and Sergey Gavrilets. "Homosexuality as a Consequence of Epigenetically Canalized Sexual Development." The Quarterly Review of Biology 87.4 (2012): n. pag. Print. {{PMID|23397798}} doi:10.1086/668167</ref>. Indeed, they are closely linked to the amount of testosterone one is exposed to. The more testosterone one is exposed to, the higher the likeliness to be sexually inclined towards women (and vice versa)<ref name=":1" />. Ngun and his team later looked at “at the associations between specific epi-marks and sexual orientation in one group, then tested how well those results could predict sexual orientation in the second group”<ref name=":0">Balter M. Homosexuality may be caused by chemical modifications to DNA [Internet]. Science. 2015 [cited 9 December 2019]. Available from: <nowiki>https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/10/homosexuality-may-be-caused-chemical-modifications-dna</nowiki> </ref>. They reached a 70% of accuracy, which compared to previous studies is a leap forward, but still demonstrates a gap in the evidence manipulated<ref name=":0" />. As epigenetics remains a relatively new discipline, the studies may lack core information about epigenomes, which might hinder the validity of results when studying external subjects such as the etiology of sexual orientation. Furthermore, the small sample size render the results inapplicable to wider populations. It has also not looked at other degrees of sexual orientation on the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale Kinsey scale], such as bisexuality. Finally, although empirical evidence employed in genetics is presumably objective, the experts manipulating it are inevitably biased, and might alter end results. == Endocrinology == According to the field of endocrinology, and more specifically neuroendocrinology, sexual orientation is determined prenatally by the action of hormones in the human brain, precisely involving the sexually dimorphic nucleus (SDN) located in the hypothalamus. The evidence supporting this thought lies in various experiments conducted on ferrets, among other animals<ref>Paredes, R.G. & Baum, M.J. (1995) Altered sexual partner preference in male ferrets given excitotoxic lesions of the preoptic area anterior hypothalamus. J. Neurosci., 15, 6619–6630.</ref>. This SDN which is usually around 2.2 times larger in male than in female brains<ref>Hofman, M A; D F Swaab (1989). "The sexually dimorphic nucleus of the preoptic area in the human brain: a comparative morphometric study". Journal of Anatomy. 164: 55–72. PMC 1256598. {{PMID|2606795}}.</ref>, according to neurobiology, defines sexual orientation: A larger SDN as seen in men will lead to an attraction to females and a smaller SDN as seen in women will lead to an attraction to males<ref>Swaab DF (2008). "Sexual orientation and its basis in brain structure and function". PNAS. 105 (30): 10273–10274. doi:10.1073/pnas.0805542105. PMC 2492513. {{PMID|18653758}}.</ref>. Endocrinological studies and experiments have shown that the size of the SDN is conditioned by natural testosterone levels during the prenatal and perinatal period of a human’s life, thus explaining the usual preference of men for women and vice versa<ref>Jacobson, C.D., Csernus, V.J., Shryne, J.E. & Gorski, R.A. (1981) The influence of gonadectomy, androgen exposure, or a gonadal graft in the neonatal rat on the volume of the sexually dimorphic nucleus of the preoptic area. J. Neurosci., 1, 1142–1147.</ref><ref>Roselli C, Stadelman H, Reeve R, Bishop C, Stormshak F (2007). "The ovine sexually dimorphic nucleus of the medial preoptic area is organized prenatally by testosterone". Endocrinology. 148 (9): 4450–4457. doi:10.1210/en.2007-0454. {{PMID|17540718}}.</ref>. However, it is important to note that the field of endocrinology considers not only testosterone important to the development of the SDN but also estrogens formed from testosterone by aromatase. These claims are demonstrated through the evidence provided by multiple studies on test subject animals: rats or rams which possess sexually specific average SDN size differences similar to humans<ref>Roselli, C.E., Larkin, K., Schrunk, J.M. & Stormshak, F. (2004) Sexual partner preference, hypothalamic morphology and aromatase in rams. Physiol. Behav., 83, 233–245.</ref>. Homosexuality, then, would be caused by abnormalities regarding hormonal development affecting in turn the growth of the SDN, once again supported by the use of experimental evidence conducted on test subject animals, more specifically lab rats treated perinatally with hormones such as testosterone and estrogen or ATD, an aromatase inhibitor, to reverse their sexual partner preference<ref>Houtsmuller, E.J., Brand, T., de Jonge, F.H., Joosten, R.N., van de Poll, N.E. & Slob, A.K. (1994) SDN-POA volume, sexual behavior, and partner preference of male rats affected by perinatal treatment with ATD. Physiol. Behav., 56, 535–541</ref><ref>Jacobson, C.D., Csernus, V.J., Shryne, J.E. & Gorski, R.A. (1981) The influence of gonadectomy, androgen exposure, or a gonadal graft in the neonatal rat on the volume of the sexually dimorphic nucleus of the preoptic area. J. Neurosci., 1, 1142–1147.</ref><ref>Henley, C.L., Nunez, A.A. & Clemens, L.G. (2009) Estrogen treatment during development alters adult partner preference and reproductive behavior in female laboratory rats. Horm. Behav., 55, 68–75.</ref>. As a response to the apparent fluctuation in human sexuality that is observable in our societies, endocrinologists affirm that sexual orientation and sexual behavior are separate: the prior being a definite set in stone biological preference determined by endocrinology which cannot be changed after development, and the latter being a non-reflective behavior adopted by humans in specific contexts<ref>Jacques Balthazart (2011) The Biology of Homosexuality, Oxford</ref>. Thus, they deny the possible use of sexual behavior as evidence on the cause and nature of homosexuality and choose to rely solely on empirical endocrinological experimentation. Finally, Endocrinology falls short of fully explaining animal sexual orientation; humans have defined not only heterosexuality and homosexuality, but attraction to both sexes: bisexuality. Endocrinology cannot in the present day provide an explanation of bisexuality, as it lacks the required evidence to emit or test any hypotheses. This situation begs that question of whether it is therefore wise to make use of only empirical and endocrinological evidence to explore the causes of homosexuality, and if the attachment to this form of evidence only does not hold research back. == Evaluating evidence == Evidence can be presented in different manners through a range of disciplines, with there being no absolute method to collect data. Positivistic ideologies produce representative results which generalise and summarise in certain disciplines, whilst those with interpretivistic viewpoints produce results giving meaning and experience. Through all disciplines however, evidence can be manipulated to verify the truth or falsity of one's claim or the ideologies of their own discipline. The evidence disciplines choose to use differs from one another, creating differences in their views on the roots of homosexuality. By gathering the evidence of the studies made by developmental psychology, epigenetics and endocrinology, and looking at them together, one can achieve a more holistic vision of the issue. == References == {{BookCat}} jpj59wvmjpgy4dapvc93ifgwbah7nhz 0 417631 4637068 4634335 2026-05-22T19:11:03Z Tyoyafud 6233 4637068 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Alphabetical|M}} {{shelves|Mirad}} {{status|100%}} {{Chapter navigation with TOC||Introduction|}} {{print version|Mirad Grammar/print version|(No dictionary)|Mirad Grammar}} {{Book search | style=image}} <small> Welcome to a textbook on the grammar of <big><b>Mirad</b></big>.&nbsp;&nbsp;Formerly known as '''Unilingua''', Mirad is an artificially constructed auxiliary language ([[Constructed language|conlang]]) developed originally by Paris-based author Noubar Agopoff [https://books.google.com/books/about/Unilingua.html?id=I7ghxwEACAAJ] as a ''serious'' medium for easy, regular, expressive, and logical international communication. This textbook is a revision of the language with many new features, plus access to a bilingual dictionary containing over 142,000 word/expression pairings, over ten times the size the original Unilingua vocabulary. The vocabulary is internally consistent and was developed systematically from scratch with no relation to existing natural languages except for a few universal words like "karaoke" or "falafel". </small> [[File:The Earth seen from Apollo 17.jpg|thumb|left|'''Yubjo, ha mir gonbio yansauna gabyuxea dalzeyn.''' (''Soon, the world will share a common auxiliary language.'')]] {| class="wikitable" style="font-size:smaller; margin: 0 auto;" |+ Table of Contents |- |valign="top"| * [[/Introduction/]] {{stage short|100%}} * [[/Why Mirad?/]] {{stage short|100%}} * [[/Alphabet/]] {{stage short|100%}} * [[/Pronunciation/]] {{stage short|100%}} * [[/Syllabification/]] {{stage short|100%}} * [[/Stress/]] {{stage short|100%}} * [[/Phonotactics/]] {{stage short|100%}} * [[/Parts of Speech/]] {{stage short|100%}} * [[/Nouns/]] {{stage short|100%}} * [[/Nouns#Modifying Nouns with the Definite Article|Articles]] {{stage short|100%}} * [[/Adjectives/]] {{stage short|100%}} * [[/Adverbs/]] {{stage short|100%}} * [[/Determiners/]] {{stage short|100%}} * [[/Numbers/]] {{stage short|100%}} * [[/Pronouns/]] {{stage short|100%}} * [[/Verbs/]] {{stage short|100%}} * [[/Prepositions/]] {{stage short|100%}} * [[/Conjunctions/]] {{stage short|100%}} |valign="top"| * [[/Interjections/]] {{stage short|100%}} * [[/Hybrids/]] {{stage short|100%}} * [[/Greetings and Euphemisms/]] {{stage short|100%}} * [[/Acronyms and Abbreviations/]] {{stage short|100%}} * [[/Onomatopoeia/]] {{stage short|100%}} * [[/Vocabulary Formation/]] {{stage short|100%}} * [[/Word Families/]] {{stage short|100%}} * [[/Syntax/]]{{stage short|100%}} * [[/Sample Texts Analyzed/]] {{stage short|100%}} * [[/Lesson 1/]] {{stage short|100%}} * [[/Lesson 2/]] {{stage short|100%}} * [[/Lesson 3/]] {{stage short|100%}} * [[/Lesson 4/]] {{stage short|100%}} * [[/Lesson 5/]] {{stage short|100%}} * [[/Mirad-English Dictionary/]] {{stage short|100%}} * [[/Flaws in Mirad/]] {{stage short|%25}} |} 4e5zyxm1gpnria65h0tf3jgutoo3dma 0 427007 4637125 4636915 2026-05-23T04:15:07Z ~2026-25678-06 3579663 4637125 wikitext text/x-wiki {{:Unicode/Character reference}} {|border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0" style="border-collapse:collapse;" |- | colspan="17" style="background:#f8f8f8;text-align:center" | '''Seal Script (ctd.)''' |----- style="background:#ccccff" !width="4%"|U+!!width="6%"|0!!width="6%"|1!!width="6%"|2!!width="6%"|3!!width="6%"|4!!width="6%"|5!!width="6%"|6!!width="6%"|7!!width="6%"|8!!width="6%"|9!!width="6%"|A!!width="6%"|B!!width="6%"|C!!width="6%"|D!!width="6%"|E!!width="6%"|F |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F00x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; 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|----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F83x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F84x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F85x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F86x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F87x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F88x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F89x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F8Ax |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F8Bx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F8Cx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F8Dx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F8Ex |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F8Fx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- style="background:#ccccff" !U+||0||1||2||3||4||5||6||7||8||9||A||B||C||D||E||F |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F90x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F91x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F92x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F93x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F94x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F95x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F96x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F97x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F98x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F99x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F9Ax |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F9Bx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F9Cx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F9Dx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F9Ex |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3F9Fx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- style="background:#ccccff" !U+||0||1||2||3||4||5||6||7||8||9||A||B||C||D||E||F |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FA0x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FA1x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FA2x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FA3x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FA4x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FA5x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FA6x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FA7x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FA8x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FA9x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FAAx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FABx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FACx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FADx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FAEx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FAFx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- style="background:#ccccff" !U+||0||1||2||3||4||5||6||7||8||9||A||B||C||D||E||F |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FB0x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FB1x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FB2x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FB3x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FB4x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FB5x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FB6x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FB7x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FB8x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FB9x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FBAx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FBBx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FBCx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FBDx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FBEx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FBFx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- style="background:#ccccff" !U+||0||1||2||3||4||5||6||7||8||9||A||B||C||D||E||F |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FC0x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FC1x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FC2x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FC3x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |- | colspan="17" style="background:#f8f8f8;text-align:center" | '''Enclosed Alphanumeric Extended-A''' |----- style="background:#ccccff" !width="4%"|U+!!width="6%"|0!!width="6%"|1!!width="6%"|2!!width="6%"|3!!width="6%"|4!!width="6%"|5!!width="6%"|6!!width="6%"|7!!width="6%"|8!!width="6%"|9!!width="6%"|A!!width="6%"|B!!width="6%"|C!!width="6%"|D!!width="6%"|E!!width="6%"|F |----- align="center" style="background:#c8a36f" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FC4x |{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER FIFTY ONE|&#x3fc40;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER FIFTY TWO|&#x3fc41;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER FIFTY THREE|&#x3fc42;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER FIFTY FOUR|&#x3fc43;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER FIFTY FIVE|&#x3fc44;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER FIFTY SIX|&#x3fc45;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER FIFTY SEVEN|&#x3fc46;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER FIFTY EIGHT|&#x3fc47;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER FIFTY NINE|&#x3fc48;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SIXTY|&#x3fc49;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SIXTY ONE|&#x3fc4a;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SIXTY TWO|&#x3fc4b;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SIXTY THREE|&#x3fc4c;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SIXTY FOUR|&#x3fc4d;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|CIRCLED NUMBER SIXTY FIVE|&#x3fc4e;}}||{{H:title|dotted=no|TORTOISE SHELL BRACKETED LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A|&#x3fc4f;}} |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FC5x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FC6x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FC7x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FC8x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FC9x |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FCAx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; 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|----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FFDx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FFEx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp; |----- align="center" style="background:#777777" !style="background:#ffffff"|3FFFx |&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||&nbsp;||style="background:#000000"|&nbsp;||style="background:#000000"|&nbsp; |----- style="background:#ccccff" !U+||0||1||2||3||4||5||6||7||8||9||A||B||C||D||E||F |} {{:Unicode/Character/footer}} i9gv6jn2trmmlz7vvw657880ynuw3b4 0 443440 4637135 4373380 2026-05-23T08:08:11Z ~2026-30859-52 3592773 4637135 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Chess Opening Theory/Position|= |Bishop's Opening: Sideline 2... Qg5?| |rd|nd|bd| |kd|bd|nd|rd|= |pd|pd|pd|pd| |pd|pd|pd|= | | | | | | | | |= | | | | |pd| |qd| |= | | |bl| |pl| | | |= | | | | | | | | |= |pl|pl|pl|pl| |pl|pl|pl|= |rl|nl|bl|ql|kl| |nl|rl|= || }} = Bishop's Opening - Sideline 2... Qg5? = == 2...Qg5? == '''2…Qg5?''' does not have a variation name. It is a very suspicious move with the idea to threaten the White pawn g2. However, involving the Black queen so early in the opening violates the most basic principles of opening strategy, such as developing before the knights and the bishops as well as castling the king to a safe place. White must act energetically to punish the Black's wrong opening conception. Thus, by playing '''3. Nf3!''', White achieves a significant advantage because the Black queen will be threatened and attacked by the White pieces. Losing precious time, Black will soon get inferior and strategically lost. == Theory table == {{Chess Opening Theory/Table}}. '''1. e4 e5 2. Bc4 Qg5?''' {| class="wikitable" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" ! ! style="text-align: left" |3 ! style="text-align: left" |4 ! style="text-align: left" |5 ! style="text-align: left" |6 ! style="text-align: left" |7 ! style="text-align: left" |8 ! style="text-align: left" |9 ! style="text-align: left" |10 ! style="text-align: left" | |- ! rowspan="4" |Sideline 2... Qg5? |Nf3 Qe7 |d4 d6 |Nc3 Nf6 |Ng5 Bg4 |Qd3 Bh5 |g4 Bg6 |dxe5 dxe5 |f4 | + − |- |... Qg6 |Nc3 d6 |d4 exd4 |Ng5 dxc3 |Bxf7+ | | | | + − |- |... ... |... ... |... ... |... Nh6 |Nd5 Kd8 |h4 f6 |Nf4 Qe8 |Nge6+ | + − |- |... Qxg2? |Rg1! Qh3 |Bxf7+! Kd8 |d4 Nh6 |Rg3 | | | | + − |} {{ChessMid}} == References == {{reflist}} {{Wikipedia|Bishop's Opening}} '''Bibliography''' * [[wikipedia:Garry_Kasparov|Kasparov, Gary]] & [[wikipedia:Raymond_Keene|Keene, Raymond]] (1989, 1994). ''Batsford Chess Openings 2''. {{ISBN|0-8050-3409-9}}. * [[wikipedia:Gary_Lane_(chess_player)|Lane, Gary]] (1993). ''Winning With the Bishop's Opening''. {{ISBN|0-7134-7113-1}}. '''External links''' {{wikibooks|Chess Opening Theory|Chess Opening Theory/1. e4/1...e5/2. Bc4}} * Goeller, Michael. [https://web.archive.org/web/20120716200219/http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~goeller/urusov/bishops/index.html The Bishop's Opening]. * Harding, Tim (August 1998). [https://archive.today/2013.01.02-042149/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kibitz27.txt The Kibitzer: What Exactly is the Bishop's Opening?]. ''ChessCafe.com''. * Harding, Tim (September 1998). [https://archive.today/2013.01.02-042434/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kibitz28.txt The Kibitzer: The Eternal Appeal Of The Urusov Gambit]. ''ChessCafe.com''. * Harding, Tim (October 1998). [https://archive.today/2006.10.27-175809/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kibitz29.txt The Kibitzer: Is the Urusov Gambit Sound?]. ''ChessCafe.com'' {{Chess_Opening_Theory/Footer}} hkdwe1lil7iej38yv0u8tq8klu6zizj 4637157 4637135 2026-05-23T09:48:51Z JCrue 2226064 updated analysis 4637157 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Chess Opening Theory/Position |name=Bishop's opening |eco=[[Chess/ECOC|C23]] |parent=[[../|Bishop's opening]] }} == 2...Qg5? == {{Chess/sideline}} A suspicious move. Black threatens White's g2-pawn, thinking to take advantage of the fact that the early development of White's bishop left it undefended. However, the pawn is poisonous. '''3. Nf3''' attacks the queen and forces it to move, and if 3...Qxg2? then 4. Rg1 Qh3{{Chess/not|only}} 5. Bxf7+!. It turns out Black's f7-pawn was hanging, because Black can't afford to take it back. 5...Kxf7?? Ng5+! wins the queen. Even if White does not spot the Bxf7+ tactic, many turn five moves are good for White because they are ahead in development and can easily gain time by attacking Black's queen and forcing it to move, e.g. 5. Nc3 Nf6 6. Rg3 Qh5 7. Rg5 Qh6 8. Rxe5+ Be7 {{chess/not|+++}} This illustrates the danger of developing one's queen early, unsupported by the minor pieces. == Theory table == {{Chess Opening Theory/Table}} '''1. e4 e5 2. Bc4 Qg5?''' {| class="wikitable" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" ! ! style="text-align: left" |3 ! style="text-align: left" |4 ! style="text-align: left" |5 ! style="text-align: left" |6 ! style="text-align: left" |7 ! style="text-align: left" |8 ! style="text-align: left" |9 ! style="text-align: left" |10 ! style="text-align: left" | |- ! rowspan="4" |Sideline 2... Qg5? |Nf3 Qe7 |d4 d6 |Nc3 Nf6 |Ng5 Bg4 |Qd3 Bh5 |g4 Bg6 |dxe5 dxe5 |f4 | + − |- |... Qg6 |Nc3 d6 |d4 exd4 |Ng5 dxc3 |Bxf7+ | | | | + − |- |... ... |... ... |... ... |... Nh6 |Nd5 Kd8 |h4 f6 |Nf4 Qe8 |Nge6+ | + − |- |... Qxg2? |Rg1! Qh3 |Bxf7+! Kd8 |d4 Nh6 |Rg3 | | | | + − |} {{ChessMid}} == References == {{reflist}} === See also === {{Wikipedia|Bishop's Opening}} * [[wikipedia:Gary_Lane_(chess_player)|Lane, Gary]] (1993). ''Winning With the Bishop's Opening''. {{ISBN|0-7134-7113-1}}. {{Chess_Opening_Theory/Footer}} kipyc14u2bn1ll9qxj8xbco2i3vh8v6 4637163 4637157 2026-05-23T10:18:39Z JCrue 2226064 /* 2...Qg5? */ 4637163 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Chess Opening Theory/Position |name=Bishop's opening |eco=[[Chess/ECOC|C23]] |parent=[[../|Bishop's opening]] }} == 2...Qg5? == {{Chess/sideline}} A suspicious move. Black threatens White's g2-pawn, thinking to take advantage of the fact that the early development of White's bishop left it undefended. However, the pawn is poisonous. '''3. Nf3''' attacks the queen and forces it to move, and if 3...Qxg2? then 4. Rg1 Qh3{{Chess/not|only}} 5. Bxf7+!. It turns out Black's f7-pawn was hanging, because Black can't afford to take it back. 5...Kxf7?? Ng5+! wins the queen. Even if White does not spot the Bxf7+ tactic, many turn five moves are good for White because they are ahead in development and can easily gain time by attacking Black's queen and forcing it to move, e.g. 5. Nc3 Nf6 6. Rg3 Qh5 7. Rg5 Qh6 8. Rxe5+ Be7 {{chess/not|+++}} This illustrates the danger of developing one's queen early, unsupported by the minor pieces. == Theory table == {{Chess Opening Theory/Table}} '''1. e4 e5 2. Bc4 Qg5?''' {| class="wikitable" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" ! ! style="text-align: left" |3 ! style="text-align: left" |4 ! style="text-align: left" |5 ! style="text-align: left" |6 ! style="text-align: left" |7 ! style="text-align: left" |8 ! style="text-align: left" |9 ! style="text-align: left" |10 ! style="text-align: left" | |- ! rowspan="4" |Sideline 2... Qg5? |Nf3 Qe7 |d4 d6 |Nc3 Nf6 |Ng5 Bg4 |Qd3 Bh5 |g4 Bg6 |dxe5 dxe5 |f4 | + − |- |... Qg6 |Nc3 d6 |d4 exd4 |Ng5 dxc3 |Bxf7+ | | | | + − |- |... ... |... ... |... ... |... Nh6 |Nd5 Kd8 |h4 f6 |Nf4 Qe8 |Nge6+ | + − |- |... Qxg2? |Rg1! Qh3 |Bxf7+! Kd8 |d4 Nh6 |Rg3 | | | | + − |} {{ChessMid}} == References == {{reflist}} === See also === {{Wikipedia|Bishop's Opening}} * [[wikipedia:Gary_Lane_(chess_player)|Lane, Gary]] (1993). ''Winning With the Bishop's Opening''. {{ISBN|0-7134-7113-1}}. {{Chess_Opening_Theory/Footer}} 5z2eo29vagu4hnur49hutn1ytnw1a4t 0 443561 4637138 4386380 2026-05-23T08:09:53Z ~2026-30859-52 3592773 4637138 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Chess Opening Theory/Position|= |Bishop's Opening: Sideline 2... c5?!| |rd|nd|bd|qd|kd|bd|nd|rd|= |pd|pd| |pd| |pd|pd|pd|= | | | | | | | | |= | | |pd| |pd| | | |= | | |bl| |pl| | | |= | | | | | | | | |= |pl|pl|pl|pl| |pl|pl|pl|= |rl|nl|bl|ql|kl| |nl|rl|= || }} = Bishop's Opening - Sideline 2... c5?! = == 2...c5?! == The aim of 2…c5 is to play in the Sicilian style against the Bishop’s Opening. However, it creates structural issues in the Black position, unnecessarily weakening the pawn structure too early in d6 since e5 has already been played. White development goes smoothly. == Theory table == {{Chess Opening Theory/Table}}. '''1. e4 e5 2. Bc4 c5?!''' {| class="wikitable" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" ! ! ! style="text-align: left" |3 ! style="text-align: left" |4 ! style="text-align: left" |5 ! style="text-align: left" |6 ! style="text-align: left" |7 ! style="text-align: left" |8 ! style="text-align: left" |9 !10 ! style="text-align: left" | |- ! rowspan="4" |Sideline 2... c5?! | rowspan="2" | |Qh5!? Qe7 |d3 Nc6 |Bg5 Nf6 |Qh4 Qd8 |Bxf6 Qxf6 |Qxf6 gxf6 |Nc3 | |±/⩲ |- |... ... |... ... |... ... |... Nd4?! |Na3 | | | |± |- | |Nc3! Nc6 |d3 d6 |Nge2 Nf6 |O-O Be7 |f4 exf4 |Nxf4 O-O |a4 Rb8 |Bd2 |± |- |''(See'' ''previous'' ''line)'' |d3 Nc6 |Nc3 d6 |... ... |... ... |... ... |... ... |... ... |... ... |± |} {{ChessMid}} == References == {{reflist}} {{Wikipedia|Bishop's Opening}} '''Bibliography''' * [[wikipedia:Garry_Kasparov|Kasparov, Gary]] & [[wikipedia:Raymond_Keene|Keene, Raymond]] (1989, 1994). ''Batsford Chess Openings 2''. {{ISBN|0-8050-3409-9}}. * [[wikipedia:Gary_Lane_(chess_player)|Lane, Gary]] (1993). ''Winning With the Bishop's Opening''. {{ISBN|0-7134-7113-1}}. '''External links''' = {{wikibooks|Chess Opening Theory|Chess Opening Theory/1. e4/1...e5/2. Bc4}} * Goeller, Michael (2012). [http://www.kenilworthchessclub.org/games/java/2012/goeller-komunicky.htm 21st Kenilworth CC Championship 2012, Round 1 Michael Goeller - Daniel Komunicky [C23]]. ''Kenilworth Chess Club'' * Goeller, Michael. [https://web.archive.org/web/20120716200219/http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~goeller/urusov/bishops/index.html The Bishop's Opening]. * Harding, Tim (August 1998). [https://archive.today/2013.01.02-042149/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kibitz27.txt The Kibitzer: What Exactly is the Bishop's Opening?]. ''ChessCafe.com''. * Harding, Tim (September 1998). [https://archive.today/2013.01.02-042434/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kibitz28.txt The Kibitzer: The Eternal Appeal Of The Urusov Gambit]. ''ChessCafe.com''. * Harding, Tim (October 1998). [https://archive.today/2006.10.27-175809/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kibitz29.txt The Kibitzer: Is the Urusov Gambit Sound?]. ''ChessCafe.com'' {{Chess_Opening_Theory/Footer}} ff3trx7pp37mq0chdb25cq632sdxu50 4637162 4637138 2026-05-23T10:17:31Z JCrue 2226064 request deletion 4637162 wikitext text/x-wiki {{delete|Not opening theory, see talk.}} {{Chess Opening Theory/Position|= |Bishop's Opening: Sideline 2... c5?!| |rd|nd|bd|qd|kd|bd|nd|rd|= |pd|pd| |pd| |pd|pd|pd|= | | | | | | | | |= | | |pd| |pd| | | |= | | |bl| |pl| | | |= | | | | | | | | |= |pl|pl|pl|pl| |pl|pl|pl|= |rl|nl|bl|ql|kl| |nl|rl|= || }} = Bishop's Opening - Sideline 2... c5?! = == 2...c5?! == The aim of 2…c5 is to play in the Sicilian style against the Bishop’s Opening. However, it creates structural issues in the Black position, unnecessarily weakening the pawn structure too early in d6 since e5 has already been played. White development goes smoothly. == Theory table == {{Chess Opening Theory/Table}}. '''1. e4 e5 2. Bc4 c5?!''' {| class="wikitable" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" ! ! ! style="text-align: left" |3 ! style="text-align: left" |4 ! style="text-align: left" |5 ! style="text-align: left" |6 ! style="text-align: left" |7 ! style="text-align: left" |8 ! style="text-align: left" |9 !10 ! style="text-align: left" | |- ! rowspan="4" |Sideline 2... c5?! | rowspan="2" | |Qh5!? Qe7 |d3 Nc6 |Bg5 Nf6 |Qh4 Qd8 |Bxf6 Qxf6 |Qxf6 gxf6 |Nc3 | |±/⩲ |- |... ... |... ... |... ... |... Nd4?! |Na3 | | | |± |- | |Nc3! Nc6 |d3 d6 |Nge2 Nf6 |O-O Be7 |f4 exf4 |Nxf4 O-O |a4 Rb8 |Bd2 |± |- |''(See'' ''previous'' ''line)'' |d3 Nc6 |Nc3 d6 |... ... |... ... |... ... |... ... |... ... |... ... |± |} {{ChessMid}} == References == {{reflist}} {{Wikipedia|Bishop's Opening}} '''Bibliography''' * [[wikipedia:Garry_Kasparov|Kasparov, Gary]] & [[wikipedia:Raymond_Keene|Keene, Raymond]] (1989, 1994). ''Batsford Chess Openings 2''. {{ISBN|0-8050-3409-9}}. * [[wikipedia:Gary_Lane_(chess_player)|Lane, Gary]] (1993). ''Winning With the Bishop's Opening''. {{ISBN|0-7134-7113-1}}. '''External links''' = {{wikibooks|Chess Opening Theory|Chess Opening Theory/1. e4/1...e5/2. Bc4}} * Goeller, Michael (2012). [http://www.kenilworthchessclub.org/games/java/2012/goeller-komunicky.htm 21st Kenilworth CC Championship 2012, Round 1 Michael Goeller - Daniel Komunicky [C23]]. ''Kenilworth Chess Club'' * Goeller, Michael. [https://web.archive.org/web/20120716200219/http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~goeller/urusov/bishops/index.html The Bishop's Opening]. * Harding, Tim (August 1998). [https://archive.today/2013.01.02-042149/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kibitz27.txt The Kibitzer: What Exactly is the Bishop's Opening?]. ''ChessCafe.com''. * Harding, Tim (September 1998). [https://archive.today/2013.01.02-042434/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kibitz28.txt The Kibitzer: The Eternal Appeal Of The Urusov Gambit]. ''ChessCafe.com''. * Harding, Tim (October 1998). [https://archive.today/2006.10.27-175809/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kibitz29.txt The Kibitzer: Is the Urusov Gambit Sound?]. ''ChessCafe.com'' {{Chess_Opening_Theory/Footer}} p22ott0iru4bpb5h074ytzbw21t9752 3 447393 4637052 4636636 2026-05-22T18:57:47Z 3MMPEYTON 3393808 /* Now What? Thanks for reading. */ new section 4637052 wikitext text/x-wiki == Zombie by Margaret Atwood == '''Zombie''' is a poem by the world famous poet Margaret Atwood. Her poem can be found in her book <u>'''Dearly'''</u>, a collection of her new poems. I hope to post a critical essay on 'Zombie' by Margaret Atwood, as a example of critical analysis in Literature. I am certain that I can fairly reprint a few lines from the poem, yet I'm not sure if I can post the entire poem. Any suggestions? Thanks~~ [[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] ([[User talk:3MMPEYTON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/3MMPEYTON|contribs]]) 18:04, 25 June 2022 (UTC) <br> There you have it: zombie. <br> Didn't you always suspect? <br> "Poetry is the past <br> that breaks out in our hearts" <br> like a virus, like an infection. <br> <br> The quote within the poem: "Poetry is the past that breaks out in our hearts..." is taken from the poet Rilke. <br> ==NEW EDITS!== NEW TOPIC: [ I left these paragraphs under CREATE VAMPIRES / History and Folklore ] History, meaning inquiry, or knowledge acquired from the past by investigation, may stem from Greek historia, according to Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:History History is related to folklore, yet is essentially different. Folklore are stories about a particular culture, yet Folklore, and similar legends, are told from a subjective perspective, and are not validated by external sources. Folklore and legends are classified as cultural heritage. History is not myth, mainly for reasons that involve telling a story about events that have happened in the past, and then gathering supporting evidence used to validate one's history. The study of History is a major discipline in academic fields. The nature of the vampire shifted from folklore stories, that often contained warnings, to mutated stories about pale monsters and occult-ish blood lettings. It is as if the horrific stories about the tragic events that happened to some people, horror stories that were traditionally passed orally from person to person, started to pass culturally from one region to another region, finally emerging (centuries later) from the author's imagination in tangible, written form, vastly distorted, yet eerily relevant, with the mysterious ability to capture the imagination of young readers. Imaginative young readers today, could greatly benefit from Creative Writing classes offered in many Public High Schools. Creative writing classes are controversial classes in academia, yet in general, helpful to students in public schools. Creative writing programs are developing. In many public schools, creative writing classes are related to Language classes, and Art classes. Creative writing is not a discipline in academic fields. Create Vampire is a free wikibook intended as a guide, and as a non-fictional resource for people fascinated by vampires and similar monsters! TIP: Before creating a vampire character, you could ask yourself if you want your vampire to reflect stories based in Folklore, gathered from events that happened to actual people, or you may prefer to create a vampire from your imagination. Perhaps a imaginary creation who possesses non-human traits? I edited this major paragraph Create Vampires / History and Folklore / Create Vampires?: <BR>CREATE VAMPIRES? In a world where people desire to make a lot of money, in the shortest amount of time. In a world where bank robbery is illegal, yet grave-robbery is not...? In a world populated by individuals who seemed ruled by greed, vampires and other monsters are sometimes spoken into some tangible, often frightening existence. [[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] ([[User talk:3MMPEYTON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/3MMPEYTON|contribs]]) 15:24, 13 August 2022 (UTC) If we exist in a world where characters could be spoken into existence, and allowed to linger in unusual fields bound and un-bound... If characters could linger, losing human characteristics and form, linger like ghost populating flat white spaces, if characters could attain atypical motion, yet exist like zombies without the ability to reason, or exist like demons without kindness, or exist like vampires, with constant hunger, sharing kindness with the hungry ghost who linger with desires to be fed, if such empty planes were populated by hungry, unreasoning, lingering atypical creations, mere works of the imagination, would their monster's tale be worthy of note? I hope to add this paragraph [somewhere after "The nature of the vampire shifted from folklore stories..."] The nature of the vampire shifted from folklore stories, that often contained warnings, to mutated stories about pale monsters and occult-ish blood lettings. It is as if the horrific stories about the tragic events that happened to some people, horror stories that were traditionally passed orally from person to person, started to pass culturally from one region to another region, finally emerging (centuries later) from the author's imagination in tangible, written form, vastly distorted, yet eerily relevant, with the mysterious ability to capture the imagination of young readers. <BR>Thanks. [[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] ([[User talk:3MMPEYTON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/3MMPEYTON|contribs]]) 15:24, 13 August 2022 (UTC) == I will miss Pi zero. == Although this is a personal response, in no way related to "Create Vampires," I have recently learned of Wikibooks' loss. Pi zero was a great guide, and I will miss his guidance when I am loss on Wikibooks. He was a special person online. Now I wonder who will remind me to avoid ORIGINAL RESEARCH? LOL. [[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] ([[User talk:3MMPEYTON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/3MMPEYTON|contribs]]) 15:54, 15 August 2022 (UTC) == Why Create Vampires? == I added 5 new paragraphs to a new page: Why Create Vampires? <br> Contributions from Wikibookians interested in these subjects, especially vampires, are welcomed! <br> <br> [new section] What would happen if you woke-up one day with a horrible craving for blood? What if you woke up, then slowly realized that you were invisible, would you get dressed out of habit? What if you woke-up one day both hungry and invisible? What would you do? These are questions writers may consider when approaching fictional narratives. Stories about ghosts, angels, zombies and vampires are popular with modern readers, yet why do people write about vampires? Should you? Perhaps writing creatively about a fascinating subject is a bit of a dream. In order to first figure out what to write, some people may choose to gather together with other writing students to consider and experiment with ideas and techniques of use to other Writers. Classes that encourage creative writing, may encourage exploration of fascinating subjects, such as vampires. Exploration of unusual subjects can be rewarding to the creative spirit! Creative writing is a self-developmental process involving your creativity, using established techniques of the Writer’s craft, shaped by your level of honesty. In creative writing classes, your story is not just your creative expression, each story you take time to write is similar to a window allowing people to share in the communication process. You don’t just share common norms about spelling, grammar, or idiomatic expressions used by normal people, your story can share information about how a group of people reacted to life-altering events, meaning your stories can in a general sense, reflect the society and times you observe and write about. Because every writer is advised to “write what you know,” you may willingly look for safe ways to write what you know, creatively, in a non-factual manner that may not share factual information, yet will express your emotions, or will reflect the feelings of everyone. Creative writing is about telling a story, in a expressive, original manner. Techniques like tone, meaning how to express the right mood, emotional intensity, or level of humor, meaning how we tell the story using the right tone to a reader who is unable to hear you, or hear the people your story will reflect, may become easier after we have developed better writing skills. Creative writing is a subject about developing better writing skills, and allowing honest expression, often in non-factual, creative ways. <br> <br> Writers who write about the vampires from their imagination maybe following their own personal creative spirit. <br> <br> <br> I WILL SLOWLY ADD MORE INFORMATION TO THIS SECTION [NOT ON MAIN PAGE] Why Create Vampires? / Warning! <br> '''WARNING: <u>Vampires of the imagination in action!</u>''' <br> <br> Giving warnings against vampires of the imagination maybe a useful device writers could explore. <br> Typical vampires of the imagination are not friendly characters, they seem to possess unusual traits and characteristics, they are not popular, <br> almost un-loveable, and very problematic.<BR> <br> {| class="wikitable" |+ COMMON VAMPIRE-IMAGINATION TRAITS + CHARACTERISTICS:<br> |- ! Traits !! !! Characteristics |- | Pale / Deadly pale || || Enjoy isolation / Loner personality |- | Long fangs / Fang-ish teeth || || Predator personality |- | Thin || || Alpha Male type |- | Black hair / Brown Hair || || "Energy Vampire" : Negativity, overly dramatic, hostile rages, complaints and sad stories. |- | Re-animated corpse with failing body issues. || || |} <BR> Vampires of the imagination that seem to be re-animated, walking corpses, some with dominate alpha-male behaviors and sharp cuspids, could be a terror, a monster, or a walking nightmare to a town, or neighborhood. It is easy for Writers to warn their readers against such a vampire [...of the imagination], yet what about vampires with subtle negative energy influences? What of Energy vampires and other less monster-ish vampires of the imagination?<br> <BR> '''Tip:''' Typically, humans have four cuspids in their mouth. Two on the bottom, and two on the top left and right side of the mouth. <BR> These are the sharpest, longest teeth, they have a pointed edge and have been called "vampire teeth" by some Writers.<BR> <br> {| class="wikitable" |+ Supernatural Vampire Traits |- ! Traits that are supernatural !! Mythological Creature |- | Immortality <br>Drinking blood <br> Sunlight Poisoning<br> Heightened senses <br> Morphing || [[File:"Le Vampire".jpg|thumb|"Le Vampire"]] |} <br> Vampire stories found in Eastern European Folklore often warn people against evil characters, or of a evil character [the antagonist] <br> who in a malicious manner seeks to harm innocent people. Regardless of the motive, the methods are of drugging [poisoning] the victim, <br> which often leads to the innocent person getting buried alive, and / or having their graves robbed by grave-robbers interested <br> in robbing the rich. Many Eastern European folk stories have warnings against grave-robbers! <br> <br> Some traits for vampires of the imagination are obviously supernatural, yet other vampires of the imagination possess normal traits, yet are described as displaying unusual behaviors. In 1819, John Polidore wrote The Vampyre, a fictional piece that is noted as having introduced vampires of modern Fiction. The Poet Rudyard Kipling wrote in his The Vampire in 1897 "To a rag and a bone and a hank of hair," it is implied that Kipling's vampire is realistic, thus mostly made up. Tip: Typically, humans have four cuspids in their mouth. Two on the bottom, and two on the top left and right side of the mouth. These are the sharpest, longest teeth, they have a pointed edge and have been called "vampire teeth" by some Writers. Perhaps Juliet in William Shakespeare's play: Romeo and Juliet could be described by some people as a vampire of the imagination. Does William Shakespeare describe physical traits that would support this claim or unusual interpretation? Do the characters act in ways that may influence, or inspire, future imaginative vampire stories?<br> <br> [new section: Why Create Vampires? Legal Considerations] <br> '''<u>Why Create Vampires? Legal Considerations</u>''' <br> For many legal reasons, people are not allowed to poison then legally bury other people alive, nor are people allowed to rob another person's grave. <br> When we hear about the grim and bloody punishments Vlad- The Impaler inflicted on grave robbers and other lawless thieves, we may start to wonder, why create vampires? <br> <br> It is rumored that Vlad - The Impaler, Prince of Wallachia (a region now known as southern Romania), ran spikey poles through his enemies during the middle of the 14th century. Vlad may have impaled hundreds, worse, many of the impaled were left outside his city on display as a warning to scare off invaders and robbers, including grave robbers! Many folk stories about the Prince of Wallachia circulate where folk stories are written and read. <br> <br> When vampire folklore is reviewed, we learn about History, and about people from other cultures, many who struggled with, and for their humanity. We learn of the methods (sometimes bloody) people used to solve problems, and we may wonder how our society would fairly solve our problems while staying humane. We may also wonder about other folk stories from around the world, such as the zombie-person, the demon-person, or the hungry ghost-person. How does a human get turned into a hungry ghost-person? <br> <br> [[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] ([[User talk:3MMPEYTON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/3MMPEYTON|contribs]]) 15:33, 25 August 2022 (UTC) <br> Sources: <br> [[https://healthpsychologyconsultancy.wordpress.com/2012/07/13/the-energy-vampire-personality-type/|https://healthpsychologyconsultancy.wordpress.com/2012/07/13/the-energy-vampire-personality-type/]] wordpress.com Reviewed: 8/19/2022 <br> [[https://theconversation.com/five-vampire-traits-that-exist-in-the-natural-world-104957|https://theconversation.com/five-vampire-traits-that-exist-in-the-natural-world-104957]] theconversation.com <br> [[https://www.dictionary.com/browse/cuspid|https://www.dictionary.com/browse/cuspid]] www.dictionary.com <br> Thanks [[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] ([[User talk:3MMPEYTON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/3MMPEYTON|contribs]]) 17:03, 19 August 2022 (UTC) == DROPPING MY RACIAL BAGGAGE == <br> MY PERSONAL INFORMATION SEEMS TO BELONG ON MY DISCUSSION PAGE.<br> Dropping My Racial Baggage <br> On my body I have two birthmarks. One is a darker brown than my normally brown body, the other is a yellowish-brown birthmark, lighter than most of my brown body. I always knew my family was blended, we merged and emerged from attractive dark brown and yellowish-brown relatives who could pass as white because of their facial features. Today, I’m sure they could blend with tan Americans, meaning Americans who are a lighter brown in skin complexion and appearance. I always thought my family was most like the family from The Cosby Show, a popular family TV Show. On The Cosby Show, Bill Cosby’s TV father was not embarrassed by the members of his family who came in a range of shades, from dark brown to almost-white. The fact was that families with extended family members felt comfortable, and popular, claiming all the members of their family! This was ideal. Some people wanted to celebrate. The 1980s were diverse and positive times for family Entertainment. As opposed to foreign cultural notions of people checking one of two boxes: black or white, and away from similar subversive cultural norms … black and tan? The composition by Duke Ellington comes to mind… I consider most Americans in a range between dark brown and tan. When people ask me my race, I always say “brown,” because I am a brown woman, or to be technically correct, I am a multi-colored, 4th dimensional woman. Most people do not want to be super-technical (by acknowledging the 4th dimension of space-time), yet people seem to want to live reasonable lives. For example, why can’t the box of 8 colors describe the colors we see when we look at other people? Perhaps crayons’ manufacturers, CRAYOLA, did need to make several flesh colored crayons and market colors that people appear to be, ranging from dark brown to light brown. After watching America’s Top Model, at least 13 seasons, I realized that most people can see beyond the simple “black” or “white” description, yet there are people who will describe a brown, or a tan person as either “black” or “white.” Humans calling people “black” or “white” use to mildly bother me, I remember when I roomed with a Jewish person, (a student who ate pepperoni pizza with few problems), a young woman who re-named me “black” every time I spoke with her, I remember feeling puzzled, then resentful. My third-grade Teacher never labeled me black, the other African-Americans in my High School never left me with the “black” label, nor did a few Native Americans who were called “Asian-Americans,” (…about Native-Americans, I mean we know where America is, but where is Asia?) therefore I was really puzzled. During my “identity growth” years, when I considered the words other people used to label “me,” I was grouped with other teenagers, later, mis-leading college students and other young adults whose mis-labeling of others was either a shameful oversight or ironic (the irony based on previous unexamined cultural biases Americans had failed to question). What is ironic about public expressions of race is the fact that our notions about race are influenced by our culture. For example, in High School, I remember my excitement about the field of Science, a high point after I had read a TIME magazine article that reported Scientist who could trace DNA via. The mitochondrial organelles. What I remember from my Cell Biology books are that the mitochondria are the “power house” of the cell. The article suggested that we could trace our ancestors DNA not just from DNA found in the nucleus, but also through analyzing unique DNA found in the mitochondria. This information made news, in fact, the cover of that TIME magazine was a arty image with a updated image of Adam and Eve. I assume the updated image was to announce the new Science developing to help find our ancestors and discovering our relatives. I remember that I stood in front of my Science class with a issue of TIME magazine in my hand, and I asked the class if they knew “black” people were in the garden of Eden. The arty image on the cover of TIME actually showed people who looked like African-Americans, people with brownish-tan skin, and mid-length curly hair. People in America who looked like the image on the TIME magazine cover were / are called “black” in America. As I gain a greater appreciation for the Arts, especially after I took a few Art appreciation classes, I realize that forcing a racial classification was rude, by asking if the class knew that black people were in the garden of Eden, I exposed my mis-education. It is the ironic mis-education I remember I attached to the arty TIME magazine cover. In my early weeks on my college campus, I would brag about my chosen field: Genetics. Because there was no major in Genetics, I had to settle for a Biology or a Chemistry major. I could take extra classes that focused on Genetics. Other Science students were also interested in Genetics and seemed the types who would follow me into Genetic fields where we would, hopefully, find jobs in Genetics, where we would one day help to cure genetic disorders. That was my teenage dream for my future career. Turns out, reality is less ideal. Although I did find meaningful work later, in a laboratory that studied animal genetics, I basically learned how to use modern Science equipment [a giant lesson needed if Science is to improve our understandings…]. Science equipment is complex, and often, a lack of a good understanding of Science and Technology left Science students with puzzling results… I also worked at a Hospital, and I proudly held a healthy and alert white baby boy whose parents were probably immigrants from China. Technically, I have held white children, and I technically believe that they are a minority, and like other children, small white children should always be protected by adults and by our government. Finally, I use to converse with other students about my hair, or about my complexion [my hair and skin does lighten and darken with sunlight exposure]. Few students believed I needed to allow my hair to be natural, to see the two different hair types (one tight and curly, like a spiral, the other less tight, more wavey), or that my time spent without make-up (concealer) was necessary, yet my time spent without make-up allowed my brown complexion to emerge (in its range of brownness). By studying my genotypic expression, my biological inheritance, my outer surface appeared. I studied myself as I truly would appear without cosmetics, concealers, and hair-straighteners. I did not burn my bra (I did have limits), yet freeing oneself of “surface enhancers” allowed me to feel confident in who I truly was: a healthier, brown woman with black curly hair. I suppose I found myself? Nonsense, how could I ever lose me? I allowed my natural surface appearance to emerge, at least for a brief time in my life. Were college students who were once interested in Genetics as a career path impressed? Probably not. For unknown reasons, the ‘natural’ black chick, or the brown wannabe white-Hippy stereotype seemed to follow me. After exposure to radiation [a safe level] while working in a research laboratory, I did follow a popular “back-to-nature” path where I preferred natural products to “overprocessed” or processes products. My non-racist friends, many blond with sun-kissed brown skin, were typical “white Hippies,” yet I didn’t have to be a wannabe white-Hippy to be a non-racist woman who supported nature, was a Environmentalist, and a supporter of better opportunities for all Americans, regardless of their color, religion or gender! When I went online to share my learnings, gleaned from my factual college experiences, I was treated like a poor black child who couldn’t understand racist online… What? I could look up the definition for racism. [Racism (n): prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized]. As I understand the concept, racism is a flawed ideology that simplifies reality, forcing complex humans into limited conceptual categories. I was always against individual racist, preferring my own understanding of the situation from Dr. Martin Luther King’s point-of view, as I remember his message, we should judge a man based on his character [his deeds] and not on the color of his skin. To better fight against racism, I got help from Christians. In general, Christians believe that God has a plan for all of humanity. Many Christians believe that all people are the children of God. In the presence of active Christians on campus, I met actual black people, people with dark brown skin that could be mistook for the color black in bright sunlight. Near “black” people, I felt the color brown, there was no other way to describe my skin’s appearance. I was a brown human, which is what I had been saying since the 3rd grade in my public school! Contact with diversity confirmed my truth. Now that I am a Christian, I do not mentally pick-up racist ideology as being somehow above Christian beliefs and values. I do try to sense a person’s character. Realistically, most people in America struggle to raise their children because it is hard to raise good Christians and good citizens. I am done with dragging around “racial baggage,” I see people and choose religious values to pick-up, humanity to champion. == Dracula behind Vlad - The Impaler == Greetings! <br> I am glad people like Pi zero reminded me against original research, because I do not want to walk a mile in a undead man's shoes. I found most sources online and in public libraries [I do not have a insider perspective, nor do I want to become a special "inspiration" for a vampire-person in another special reader's world].<br> I want to create a new section: Dracula behind Vlad - The Impaler. <br> <br> '''Dracula behind Vlad - The Impaler''' <br> <br> Sometimes Writers will mock their times, or the leaders in their society through parody, or through satire. In some countries Writers have the freedom to mock real men in Politics, or of great military influence who seem, in deed, like real monsters. <br> In History, there are a few real monsters, men who we will remember for their cruelty, or for their massive injustices. This does not appear to be the case with Dracula, a novel character considered "inspired by" Vlad The Impaler. [[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] ([[User talk:3MMPEYTON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/3MMPEYTON|contribs]]) 16:26, 23 August 2022 (UTC) Because of Bram Stoker, a popular Irish Writer, Vlad came to be known as the ''original'' Dracula. It is ironic that the fictional character, Dracula, is well known yet the historic man, Vlad, a Prince from a Romanian royal family, is less known. According to one writer / Historian, "...as he wrote Dracula, he borrowed certain aspects of Vlad's life and wove them in with local folklore from the region." <br> Vlad, a special Prince of Romania, is a difficult subject to research. His Political influence is greatest in Romania, as is his mythic achievements. Vlad seemed to have influenced local folklore before Bram Stoker wrote his novel, '''Dracula''' in 1897. <br> Estimates puts the number of people Vlad is rumored to have killed at around 80,000 people. That seems questionable, it seems unlikely for 1 man to have murdered [directly] a large chunk of the Romanian population. Although it was never rumored by the people who tell, and re-tell folk stories, that Vlad drank blood, he is known as the person behind many bloody impalements and beheadings. <br> According to Wikipedia, "Offences where impalement was occasionally employed included contempt for the state's responsibility for safe roads and trade routes by committing highway robbery or grave robbery, violating state policies or monopolies, or subverting standards for trade. Offenders have also been impaled for a variety of cultural, sexual, and religious reasons." <br> <br> Vlad's father was a ruler of Wallachia, a territory between the Ottoman Empire and Europe, a country whose modern name is now known as Romania (southern). {| class="wikitable" |+ |- ! 5 Facts About Vlad - The Romanian Prince |- | Father: Vlad Dracul |- | Mother: Cneajna |- | Born: 1428 - 1431 |- | Year of Reigns: 1448, 1456 - 1462, 1476 |- | Died: December 1476 - January 1477 |} Source: <br> <u>The World's Most Glorious And Notorious Rulers: The Great And The Terrible And How They Got Their Names"</u> by JoAnne O'Sullivan. Copyright 2020 by JoAnne O'Sullivan. Published by Running Press Kids, an imprint of Perseus Books, LLC. ISBN: 978-0-7624-9661-7 <br> <br> Wikipedia.com [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_the_Impaler]<br> THANKS [[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] ([[User talk:3MMPEYTON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/3MMPEYTON|contribs]]) 17:19, 23 August 2022 (UTC) == Can a kind person help me update (concerning AI)? == Hello. I have not been online to edit Create Vampire in about a year. I noticed new information concerning AI, but I did not have enough time to read and reflect. I am not sure about what Wikibooks will allow concerning AI. I have my original introduction, which I fear may not be neutral enough. I would like to compare my original introduction with the AI rewrite of Vampires of the Imagination. Introduction: Vampires of the Imagination: Although vampires are creatures of folklore, monsters from the afterlife that are sometimes called the "un-dead," vampires are uniquely different from ghost, those lingering spirits who refuse to die. Although vampires, by definition, are animated corpses, vampires of the imagination must feed on human blood in order to continue their earthly existence. This unique quality makes vampires a popular and original type of fiction, slightly different from other creatures found in folklore. Rewrite with AI: Vampires of the Imagination: In many cultural traditions, vampires are described as beings associated with death or the afterlife. They are often distinguished from ghosts, which are typically understood as disembodied spirits rather than reanimated bodies. Folklore commonly portrays vampires as animated corpses that sustain themselves by consuming the blood or life‑essence of the living. This characteristic has contributed to their development as a distinct category of supernatural figure within literature and popular culture. The idea of a blood‑dependent, corporeal being sets vampires apart from other figures in global folklore, many of which do not require physical sustenance or do not possess a physical form at all. In modern fiction, these traditional concepts have evolved into what may be called “vampires of the imagination”—creative interpretations that draw inspiration from historical beliefs while adapting traits to suit narrative, thematic, or symbolic purposes. These fictional versions vary widely, but they typically retain the core elements associated with vampires in earlier traditions: a connection to death, a physical body, and a form of predatory dependence on the living. Which seems best for Wikibooks? ~~ [[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] ([[User talk:3MMPEYTON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/3MMPEYTON|contribs]]) 11:07, 12 May 2026 (UTC) == New Topics, we can develop == I hope to write a new section. I used Copilot AI to generate new ideas for Create Vampires. Here is an idea I would like to expand: Historical and Cross-Cultural Origins of Vampire Archetypes -Overview of vampire-like beings from other global folklore. - How these traditions shape modern vampire tales. - Build a table comparing characteristics across cultures. I got a list of vampire-like "beings" from AI. I created a new page. Historical And Cross-Cultural Origins of Vampire Archetypes: Asanbosam (Ashanti, Ghana) — A forest‑dwelling creature with iron teeth and hook‑like feet; attacks from trees. Obayifo (West Africa) — A witch‑like being believed to drain life‑energy from children. Adze (Ewe, Togo/Ghana) — A vampiric spirit that can take the form of a firefly and feed on blood or life‑force. European vampire-like beings: Strigoi (Romania) — Restless dead who return to drain vitality or blood from the living. Upir (Slavic regions) — Early Slavic vampire figure; often associated with disease and nocturnal attacks. Nachzehrer (Germany) — A corpse believed to consume its own burial shroud and psychically drain the living. Vrykolakas (Greece) — A reanimated body associated with plague, misfortune, and nocturnal predation. Mullo (Romani) — A dead person who returns to harm or drain the living. Asian vampire-like beings: Jiangshi (China) — A “hopping” reanimated corpse that drains qi (life‑energy). Penanggalan (Malaysia) — A woman whose head detaches with trailing organs; feeds on blood. Manananggal (Philippines) — A being that separates its upper body and preys on humans at night. Rakshasa (India) — A shape‑shifting demon that sometimes consumes flesh or life‑force. Pontianak / Kuntilanak (Indonesia/Malaysia) — A vampiric spirit of a woman who died in childbirth Middle Eastern vampire-like beings: Ghul (Arabian folklore) — A desert‑dwelling creature that consumes flesh and sometimes blood. Alp (Turkic regions) — A nocturnal spirit that causes nightmares and may drain vitality. Estrie (Jewish folklore) — A female vampiric demon that feeds on blood. The American vampire-like beings: Chupacabra (Latin America) — A modern cryptid said to drain blood from livestock. Tlahuelpuchi (Mexico, Tlaxcala) — A shape‑shifting being, often female, believed to feed on blood. Soucouyant (Caribbean) — A woman who sheds her skin and becomes a fireball to feed on blood. Wendigo (Algonquian peoples) — Not a vampire, but a cannibalistic spirit associated with hunger and consumption. Oceanian vampire-like beings: Yara-ma-yha-who (Australia, Aboriginal folklore) — A small red creature that drains blood through suckers on its hands and feet. [[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] ([[User talk:3MMPEYTON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/3MMPEYTON|contribs]]) 12:45, 12 May 2026 (UTC) == Copilot AI Use == On May 12, 2026 <br> I asked Microsoft Copilot (AI) several questions. <br> Q: Hello Copilot. I have a question. What are a few ideas to use on a wikibooks page about vampires? The page is nonfictional. The page is entitled: Create Vampires. <br> Q: Is this tone neutral? "Vampires of the Imagination" [section] <br> Rewrite the entire "Vampires of the Imagination" section in perfect wikibooks tone.<br> Q: Can you give a list of vampire-like beings in global folklore? <br> Q: How do I cite my source? <br> Build a bibliography for me. <br> Q: How would I introduce the concept: Archetype, and the overview of vampire-like beings in global folklore? <br> Q: Do you know how these traits shaped modern vampire traits? <br> Create a table showing which cultures contributed which traits. <br> Q: Can you please analyze The Vampire by Kipling? <br> Q: Can you help me with literary and media analysis, tropes and how they evolved? <br> Q: Can you give me examples of literary pitfalls? <br> Analyze examples from literature or media that fall into or avoid these pitfalls. <br> Q: Where [were] there any Authors who originated vampire tropes? <br> Q: How do I reference vampire literary pitfalls and how to avoid them? <br> Q: Can you cite your sources for the vampire literary pitfalls and how to avoid them section? <br> <br> End of questions concerning Create Vampires. <br> I ask, did I document each instance of using AI correctly? [[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] ([[User talk:3MMPEYTON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/3MMPEYTON|contribs]]) 08:03, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] to clarify, have you been using generative AI for all your contributions at Wikibooks? —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 16:50, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::No. I have created many pages before May 12th, 2026, without assistance from AI. ::I have listed the prompts I used when interacting with Copilot, in order to brainstorm for new ideas. ::Copilot extended my original ideas for the books pages. [[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] ([[User talk:3MMPEYTON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/3MMPEYTON|contribs]]) 17:29, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::@[[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] Got it. Please note that [[Wikibooks:Artificial intelligence|Wikibooks policy]] expressly prohibits the use of generative AI to {{tq|"generate or summarize material and ideas at Wikibooks"}}, so this content you added after May 12 may need to be deleted. Let me know if you have any questions about this! —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 02:07, 20 May 2026 (UTC) == Now What? Thanks for reading. == How do I un-learn the factual information Copilot (AI) gave me? Most of the information he listed, I found on Wikipedia, I then edited and summarized the information. Copilot provided a list that was specific, allowing me to easily access information on Wikipedia. How can I continue to use Wikipedia as a source, after having used Copilot? I also rewrote most of the information Copilot introduced. I treated Copilot like a resource, similar to Wikipedia, I was careful to re-write each line. [[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] ([[User talk:3MMPEYTON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/3MMPEYTON|contribs]]) 18:57, 22 May 2026 (UTC) s895ni9ir3exmpkqgimjworivalr6ks 4637054 4637052 2026-05-22T18:58:55Z 3MMPEYTON 3393808 /* Now What? Thanks for reading. */ 4637054 wikitext text/x-wiki == Zombie by Margaret Atwood == '''Zombie''' is a poem by the world famous poet Margaret Atwood. Her poem can be found in her book <u>'''Dearly'''</u>, a collection of her new poems. I hope to post a critical essay on 'Zombie' by Margaret Atwood, as a example of critical analysis in Literature. I am certain that I can fairly reprint a few lines from the poem, yet I'm not sure if I can post the entire poem. Any suggestions? Thanks~~ [[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] ([[User talk:3MMPEYTON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/3MMPEYTON|contribs]]) 18:04, 25 June 2022 (UTC) <br> There you have it: zombie. <br> Didn't you always suspect? <br> "Poetry is the past <br> that breaks out in our hearts" <br> like a virus, like an infection. <br> <br> The quote within the poem: "Poetry is the past that breaks out in our hearts..." is taken from the poet Rilke. <br> ==NEW EDITS!== NEW TOPIC: [ I left these paragraphs under CREATE VAMPIRES / History and Folklore ] History, meaning inquiry, or knowledge acquired from the past by investigation, may stem from Greek historia, according to Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:History History is related to folklore, yet is essentially different. Folklore are stories about a particular culture, yet Folklore, and similar legends, are told from a subjective perspective, and are not validated by external sources. Folklore and legends are classified as cultural heritage. History is not myth, mainly for reasons that involve telling a story about events that have happened in the past, and then gathering supporting evidence used to validate one's history. The study of History is a major discipline in academic fields. The nature of the vampire shifted from folklore stories, that often contained warnings, to mutated stories about pale monsters and occult-ish blood lettings. It is as if the horrific stories about the tragic events that happened to some people, horror stories that were traditionally passed orally from person to person, started to pass culturally from one region to another region, finally emerging (centuries later) from the author's imagination in tangible, written form, vastly distorted, yet eerily relevant, with the mysterious ability to capture the imagination of young readers. Imaginative young readers today, could greatly benefit from Creative Writing classes offered in many Public High Schools. Creative writing classes are controversial classes in academia, yet in general, helpful to students in public schools. Creative writing programs are developing. In many public schools, creative writing classes are related to Language classes, and Art classes. Creative writing is not a discipline in academic fields. Create Vampire is a free wikibook intended as a guide, and as a non-fictional resource for people fascinated by vampires and similar monsters! TIP: Before creating a vampire character, you could ask yourself if you want your vampire to reflect stories based in Folklore, gathered from events that happened to actual people, or you may prefer to create a vampire from your imagination. Perhaps a imaginary creation who possesses non-human traits? I edited this major paragraph Create Vampires / History and Folklore / Create Vampires?: <BR>CREATE VAMPIRES? In a world where people desire to make a lot of money, in the shortest amount of time. In a world where bank robbery is illegal, yet grave-robbery is not...? In a world populated by individuals who seemed ruled by greed, vampires and other monsters are sometimes spoken into some tangible, often frightening existence. [[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] ([[User talk:3MMPEYTON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/3MMPEYTON|contribs]]) 15:24, 13 August 2022 (UTC) If we exist in a world where characters could be spoken into existence, and allowed to linger in unusual fields bound and un-bound... If characters could linger, losing human characteristics and form, linger like ghost populating flat white spaces, if characters could attain atypical motion, yet exist like zombies without the ability to reason, or exist like demons without kindness, or exist like vampires, with constant hunger, sharing kindness with the hungry ghost who linger with desires to be fed, if such empty planes were populated by hungry, unreasoning, lingering atypical creations, mere works of the imagination, would their monster's tale be worthy of note? I hope to add this paragraph [somewhere after "The nature of the vampire shifted from folklore stories..."] The nature of the vampire shifted from folklore stories, that often contained warnings, to mutated stories about pale monsters and occult-ish blood lettings. It is as if the horrific stories about the tragic events that happened to some people, horror stories that were traditionally passed orally from person to person, started to pass culturally from one region to another region, finally emerging (centuries later) from the author's imagination in tangible, written form, vastly distorted, yet eerily relevant, with the mysterious ability to capture the imagination of young readers. <BR>Thanks. [[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] ([[User talk:3MMPEYTON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/3MMPEYTON|contribs]]) 15:24, 13 August 2022 (UTC) == I will miss Pi zero. == Although this is a personal response, in no way related to "Create Vampires," I have recently learned of Wikibooks' loss. Pi zero was a great guide, and I will miss his guidance when I am loss on Wikibooks. He was a special person online. Now I wonder who will remind me to avoid ORIGINAL RESEARCH? LOL. [[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] ([[User talk:3MMPEYTON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/3MMPEYTON|contribs]]) 15:54, 15 August 2022 (UTC) == Why Create Vampires? == I added 5 new paragraphs to a new page: Why Create Vampires? <br> Contributions from Wikibookians interested in these subjects, especially vampires, are welcomed! <br> <br> [new section] What would happen if you woke-up one day with a horrible craving for blood? What if you woke up, then slowly realized that you were invisible, would you get dressed out of habit? What if you woke-up one day both hungry and invisible? What would you do? These are questions writers may consider when approaching fictional narratives. Stories about ghosts, angels, zombies and vampires are popular with modern readers, yet why do people write about vampires? Should you? Perhaps writing creatively about a fascinating subject is a bit of a dream. In order to first figure out what to write, some people may choose to gather together with other writing students to consider and experiment with ideas and techniques of use to other Writers. Classes that encourage creative writing, may encourage exploration of fascinating subjects, such as vampires. Exploration of unusual subjects can be rewarding to the creative spirit! Creative writing is a self-developmental process involving your creativity, using established techniques of the Writer’s craft, shaped by your level of honesty. In creative writing classes, your story is not just your creative expression, each story you take time to write is similar to a window allowing people to share in the communication process. You don’t just share common norms about spelling, grammar, or idiomatic expressions used by normal people, your story can share information about how a group of people reacted to life-altering events, meaning your stories can in a general sense, reflect the society and times you observe and write about. Because every writer is advised to “write what you know,” you may willingly look for safe ways to write what you know, creatively, in a non-factual manner that may not share factual information, yet will express your emotions, or will reflect the feelings of everyone. Creative writing is about telling a story, in a expressive, original manner. Techniques like tone, meaning how to express the right mood, emotional intensity, or level of humor, meaning how we tell the story using the right tone to a reader who is unable to hear you, or hear the people your story will reflect, may become easier after we have developed better writing skills. Creative writing is a subject about developing better writing skills, and allowing honest expression, often in non-factual, creative ways. <br> <br> Writers who write about the vampires from their imagination maybe following their own personal creative spirit. <br> <br> <br> I WILL SLOWLY ADD MORE INFORMATION TO THIS SECTION [NOT ON MAIN PAGE] Why Create Vampires? / Warning! <br> '''WARNING: <u>Vampires of the imagination in action!</u>''' <br> <br> Giving warnings against vampires of the imagination maybe a useful device writers could explore. <br> Typical vampires of the imagination are not friendly characters, they seem to possess unusual traits and characteristics, they are not popular, <br> almost un-loveable, and very problematic.<BR> <br> {| class="wikitable" |+ COMMON VAMPIRE-IMAGINATION TRAITS + CHARACTERISTICS:<br> |- ! Traits !! !! Characteristics |- | Pale / Deadly pale || || Enjoy isolation / Loner personality |- | Long fangs / Fang-ish teeth || || Predator personality |- | Thin || || Alpha Male type |- | Black hair / Brown Hair || || "Energy Vampire" : Negativity, overly dramatic, hostile rages, complaints and sad stories. |- | Re-animated corpse with failing body issues. || || |} <BR> Vampires of the imagination that seem to be re-animated, walking corpses, some with dominate alpha-male behaviors and sharp cuspids, could be a terror, a monster, or a walking nightmare to a town, or neighborhood. It is easy for Writers to warn their readers against such a vampire [...of the imagination], yet what about vampires with subtle negative energy influences? What of Energy vampires and other less monster-ish vampires of the imagination?<br> <BR> '''Tip:''' Typically, humans have four cuspids in their mouth. Two on the bottom, and two on the top left and right side of the mouth. <BR> These are the sharpest, longest teeth, they have a pointed edge and have been called "vampire teeth" by some Writers.<BR> <br> {| class="wikitable" |+ Supernatural Vampire Traits |- ! Traits that are supernatural !! Mythological Creature |- | Immortality <br>Drinking blood <br> Sunlight Poisoning<br> Heightened senses <br> Morphing || [[File:"Le Vampire".jpg|thumb|"Le Vampire"]] |} <br> Vampire stories found in Eastern European Folklore often warn people against evil characters, or of a evil character [the antagonist] <br> who in a malicious manner seeks to harm innocent people. Regardless of the motive, the methods are of drugging [poisoning] the victim, <br> which often leads to the innocent person getting buried alive, and / or having their graves robbed by grave-robbers interested <br> in robbing the rich. Many Eastern European folk stories have warnings against grave-robbers! <br> <br> Some traits for vampires of the imagination are obviously supernatural, yet other vampires of the imagination possess normal traits, yet are described as displaying unusual behaviors. In 1819, John Polidore wrote The Vampyre, a fictional piece that is noted as having introduced vampires of modern Fiction. The Poet Rudyard Kipling wrote in his The Vampire in 1897 "To a rag and a bone and a hank of hair," it is implied that Kipling's vampire is realistic, thus mostly made up. Tip: Typically, humans have four cuspids in their mouth. Two on the bottom, and two on the top left and right side of the mouth. These are the sharpest, longest teeth, they have a pointed edge and have been called "vampire teeth" by some Writers. Perhaps Juliet in William Shakespeare's play: Romeo and Juliet could be described by some people as a vampire of the imagination. Does William Shakespeare describe physical traits that would support this claim or unusual interpretation? Do the characters act in ways that may influence, or inspire, future imaginative vampire stories?<br> <br> [new section: Why Create Vampires? Legal Considerations] <br> '''<u>Why Create Vampires? Legal Considerations</u>''' <br> For many legal reasons, people are not allowed to poison then legally bury other people alive, nor are people allowed to rob another person's grave. <br> When we hear about the grim and bloody punishments Vlad- The Impaler inflicted on grave robbers and other lawless thieves, we may start to wonder, why create vampires? <br> <br> It is rumored that Vlad - The Impaler, Prince of Wallachia (a region now known as southern Romania), ran spikey poles through his enemies during the middle of the 14th century. Vlad may have impaled hundreds, worse, many of the impaled were left outside his city on display as a warning to scare off invaders and robbers, including grave robbers! Many folk stories about the Prince of Wallachia circulate where folk stories are written and read. <br> <br> When vampire folklore is reviewed, we learn about History, and about people from other cultures, many who struggled with, and for their humanity. We learn of the methods (sometimes bloody) people used to solve problems, and we may wonder how our society would fairly solve our problems while staying humane. We may also wonder about other folk stories from around the world, such as the zombie-person, the demon-person, or the hungry ghost-person. How does a human get turned into a hungry ghost-person? <br> <br> [[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] ([[User talk:3MMPEYTON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/3MMPEYTON|contribs]]) 15:33, 25 August 2022 (UTC) <br> Sources: <br> [[https://healthpsychologyconsultancy.wordpress.com/2012/07/13/the-energy-vampire-personality-type/|https://healthpsychologyconsultancy.wordpress.com/2012/07/13/the-energy-vampire-personality-type/]] wordpress.com Reviewed: 8/19/2022 <br> [[https://theconversation.com/five-vampire-traits-that-exist-in-the-natural-world-104957|https://theconversation.com/five-vampire-traits-that-exist-in-the-natural-world-104957]] theconversation.com <br> [[https://www.dictionary.com/browse/cuspid|https://www.dictionary.com/browse/cuspid]] www.dictionary.com <br> Thanks [[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] ([[User talk:3MMPEYTON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/3MMPEYTON|contribs]]) 17:03, 19 August 2022 (UTC) == DROPPING MY RACIAL BAGGAGE == <br> MY PERSONAL INFORMATION SEEMS TO BELONG ON MY DISCUSSION PAGE.<br> Dropping My Racial Baggage <br> On my body I have two birthmarks. One is a darker brown than my normally brown body, the other is a yellowish-brown birthmark, lighter than most of my brown body. I always knew my family was blended, we merged and emerged from attractive dark brown and yellowish-brown relatives who could pass as white because of their facial features. Today, I’m sure they could blend with tan Americans, meaning Americans who are a lighter brown in skin complexion and appearance. I always thought my family was most like the family from The Cosby Show, a popular family TV Show. On The Cosby Show, Bill Cosby’s TV father was not embarrassed by the members of his family who came in a range of shades, from dark brown to almost-white. The fact was that families with extended family members felt comfortable, and popular, claiming all the members of their family! This was ideal. Some people wanted to celebrate. The 1980s were diverse and positive times for family Entertainment. As opposed to foreign cultural notions of people checking one of two boxes: black or white, and away from similar subversive cultural norms … black and tan? The composition by Duke Ellington comes to mind… I consider most Americans in a range between dark brown and tan. When people ask me my race, I always say “brown,” because I am a brown woman, or to be technically correct, I am a multi-colored, 4th dimensional woman. Most people do not want to be super-technical (by acknowledging the 4th dimension of space-time), yet people seem to want to live reasonable lives. For example, why can’t the box of 8 colors describe the colors we see when we look at other people? Perhaps crayons’ manufacturers, CRAYOLA, did need to make several flesh colored crayons and market colors that people appear to be, ranging from dark brown to light brown. After watching America’s Top Model, at least 13 seasons, I realized that most people can see beyond the simple “black” or “white” description, yet there are people who will describe a brown, or a tan person as either “black” or “white.” Humans calling people “black” or “white” use to mildly bother me, I remember when I roomed with a Jewish person, (a student who ate pepperoni pizza with few problems), a young woman who re-named me “black” every time I spoke with her, I remember feeling puzzled, then resentful. My third-grade Teacher never labeled me black, the other African-Americans in my High School never left me with the “black” label, nor did a few Native Americans who were called “Asian-Americans,” (…about Native-Americans, I mean we know where America is, but where is Asia?) therefore I was really puzzled. During my “identity growth” years, when I considered the words other people used to label “me,” I was grouped with other teenagers, later, mis-leading college students and other young adults whose mis-labeling of others was either a shameful oversight or ironic (the irony based on previous unexamined cultural biases Americans had failed to question). What is ironic about public expressions of race is the fact that our notions about race are influenced by our culture. For example, in High School, I remember my excitement about the field of Science, a high point after I had read a TIME magazine article that reported Scientist who could trace DNA via. The mitochondrial organelles. What I remember from my Cell Biology books are that the mitochondria are the “power house” of the cell. The article suggested that we could trace our ancestors DNA not just from DNA found in the nucleus, but also through analyzing unique DNA found in the mitochondria. This information made news, in fact, the cover of that TIME magazine was a arty image with a updated image of Adam and Eve. I assume the updated image was to announce the new Science developing to help find our ancestors and discovering our relatives. I remember that I stood in front of my Science class with a issue of TIME magazine in my hand, and I asked the class if they knew “black” people were in the garden of Eden. The arty image on the cover of TIME actually showed people who looked like African-Americans, people with brownish-tan skin, and mid-length curly hair. People in America who looked like the image on the TIME magazine cover were / are called “black” in America. As I gain a greater appreciation for the Arts, especially after I took a few Art appreciation classes, I realize that forcing a racial classification was rude, by asking if the class knew that black people were in the garden of Eden, I exposed my mis-education. It is the ironic mis-education I remember I attached to the arty TIME magazine cover. In my early weeks on my college campus, I would brag about my chosen field: Genetics. Because there was no major in Genetics, I had to settle for a Biology or a Chemistry major. I could take extra classes that focused on Genetics. Other Science students were also interested in Genetics and seemed the types who would follow me into Genetic fields where we would, hopefully, find jobs in Genetics, where we would one day help to cure genetic disorders. That was my teenage dream for my future career. Turns out, reality is less ideal. Although I did find meaningful work later, in a laboratory that studied animal genetics, I basically learned how to use modern Science equipment [a giant lesson needed if Science is to improve our understandings…]. Science equipment is complex, and often, a lack of a good understanding of Science and Technology left Science students with puzzling results… I also worked at a Hospital, and I proudly held a healthy and alert white baby boy whose parents were probably immigrants from China. Technically, I have held white children, and I technically believe that they are a minority, and like other children, small white children should always be protected by adults and by our government. Finally, I use to converse with other students about my hair, or about my complexion [my hair and skin does lighten and darken with sunlight exposure]. Few students believed I needed to allow my hair to be natural, to see the two different hair types (one tight and curly, like a spiral, the other less tight, more wavey), or that my time spent without make-up (concealer) was necessary, yet my time spent without make-up allowed my brown complexion to emerge (in its range of brownness). By studying my genotypic expression, my biological inheritance, my outer surface appeared. I studied myself as I truly would appear without cosmetics, concealers, and hair-straighteners. I did not burn my bra (I did have limits), yet freeing oneself of “surface enhancers” allowed me to feel confident in who I truly was: a healthier, brown woman with black curly hair. I suppose I found myself? Nonsense, how could I ever lose me? I allowed my natural surface appearance to emerge, at least for a brief time in my life. Were college students who were once interested in Genetics as a career path impressed? Probably not. For unknown reasons, the ‘natural’ black chick, or the brown wannabe white-Hippy stereotype seemed to follow me. After exposure to radiation [a safe level] while working in a research laboratory, I did follow a popular “back-to-nature” path where I preferred natural products to “overprocessed” or processes products. My non-racist friends, many blond with sun-kissed brown skin, were typical “white Hippies,” yet I didn’t have to be a wannabe white-Hippy to be a non-racist woman who supported nature, was a Environmentalist, and a supporter of better opportunities for all Americans, regardless of their color, religion or gender! When I went online to share my learnings, gleaned from my factual college experiences, I was treated like a poor black child who couldn’t understand racist online… What? I could look up the definition for racism. [Racism (n): prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized]. As I understand the concept, racism is a flawed ideology that simplifies reality, forcing complex humans into limited conceptual categories. I was always against individual racist, preferring my own understanding of the situation from Dr. Martin Luther King’s point-of view, as I remember his message, we should judge a man based on his character [his deeds] and not on the color of his skin. To better fight against racism, I got help from Christians. In general, Christians believe that God has a plan for all of humanity. Many Christians believe that all people are the children of God. In the presence of active Christians on campus, I met actual black people, people with dark brown skin that could be mistook for the color black in bright sunlight. Near “black” people, I felt the color brown, there was no other way to describe my skin’s appearance. I was a brown human, which is what I had been saying since the 3rd grade in my public school! Contact with diversity confirmed my truth. Now that I am a Christian, I do not mentally pick-up racist ideology as being somehow above Christian beliefs and values. I do try to sense a person’s character. Realistically, most people in America struggle to raise their children because it is hard to raise good Christians and good citizens. I am done with dragging around “racial baggage,” I see people and choose religious values to pick-up, humanity to champion. == Dracula behind Vlad - The Impaler == Greetings! <br> I am glad people like Pi zero reminded me against original research, because I do not want to walk a mile in a undead man's shoes. I found most sources online and in public libraries [I do not have a insider perspective, nor do I want to become a special "inspiration" for a vampire-person in another special reader's world].<br> I want to create a new section: Dracula behind Vlad - The Impaler. <br> <br> '''Dracula behind Vlad - The Impaler''' <br> <br> Sometimes Writers will mock their times, or the leaders in their society through parody, or through satire. In some countries Writers have the freedom to mock real men in Politics, or of great military influence who seem, in deed, like real monsters. <br> In History, there are a few real monsters, men who we will remember for their cruelty, or for their massive injustices. This does not appear to be the case with Dracula, a novel character considered "inspired by" Vlad The Impaler. [[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] ([[User talk:3MMPEYTON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/3MMPEYTON|contribs]]) 16:26, 23 August 2022 (UTC) Because of Bram Stoker, a popular Irish Writer, Vlad came to be known as the ''original'' Dracula. It is ironic that the fictional character, Dracula, is well known yet the historic man, Vlad, a Prince from a Romanian royal family, is less known. According to one writer / Historian, "...as he wrote Dracula, he borrowed certain aspects of Vlad's life and wove them in with local folklore from the region." <br> Vlad, a special Prince of Romania, is a difficult subject to research. His Political influence is greatest in Romania, as is his mythic achievements. Vlad seemed to have influenced local folklore before Bram Stoker wrote his novel, '''Dracula''' in 1897. <br> Estimates puts the number of people Vlad is rumored to have killed at around 80,000 people. That seems questionable, it seems unlikely for 1 man to have murdered [directly] a large chunk of the Romanian population. Although it was never rumored by the people who tell, and re-tell folk stories, that Vlad drank blood, he is known as the person behind many bloody impalements and beheadings. <br> According to Wikipedia, "Offences where impalement was occasionally employed included contempt for the state's responsibility for safe roads and trade routes by committing highway robbery or grave robbery, violating state policies or monopolies, or subverting standards for trade. Offenders have also been impaled for a variety of cultural, sexual, and religious reasons." <br> <br> Vlad's father was a ruler of Wallachia, a territory between the Ottoman Empire and Europe, a country whose modern name is now known as Romania (southern). {| class="wikitable" |+ |- ! 5 Facts About Vlad - The Romanian Prince |- | Father: Vlad Dracul |- | Mother: Cneajna |- | Born: 1428 - 1431 |- | Year of Reigns: 1448, 1456 - 1462, 1476 |- | Died: December 1476 - January 1477 |} Source: <br> <u>The World's Most Glorious And Notorious Rulers: The Great And The Terrible And How They Got Their Names"</u> by JoAnne O'Sullivan. Copyright 2020 by JoAnne O'Sullivan. Published by Running Press Kids, an imprint of Perseus Books, LLC. ISBN: 978-0-7624-9661-7 <br> <br> Wikipedia.com [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_the_Impaler]<br> THANKS [[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] ([[User talk:3MMPEYTON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/3MMPEYTON|contribs]]) 17:19, 23 August 2022 (UTC) == Can a kind person help me update (concerning AI)? == Hello. I have not been online to edit Create Vampire in about a year. I noticed new information concerning AI, but I did not have enough time to read and reflect. I am not sure about what Wikibooks will allow concerning AI. I have my original introduction, which I fear may not be neutral enough. I would like to compare my original introduction with the AI rewrite of Vampires of the Imagination. Introduction: Vampires of the Imagination: Although vampires are creatures of folklore, monsters from the afterlife that are sometimes called the "un-dead," vampires are uniquely different from ghost, those lingering spirits who refuse to die. Although vampires, by definition, are animated corpses, vampires of the imagination must feed on human blood in order to continue their earthly existence. This unique quality makes vampires a popular and original type of fiction, slightly different from other creatures found in folklore. Rewrite with AI: Vampires of the Imagination: In many cultural traditions, vampires are described as beings associated with death or the afterlife. They are often distinguished from ghosts, which are typically understood as disembodied spirits rather than reanimated bodies. Folklore commonly portrays vampires as animated corpses that sustain themselves by consuming the blood or life‑essence of the living. This characteristic has contributed to their development as a distinct category of supernatural figure within literature and popular culture. The idea of a blood‑dependent, corporeal being sets vampires apart from other figures in global folklore, many of which do not require physical sustenance or do not possess a physical form at all. In modern fiction, these traditional concepts have evolved into what may be called “vampires of the imagination”—creative interpretations that draw inspiration from historical beliefs while adapting traits to suit narrative, thematic, or symbolic purposes. These fictional versions vary widely, but they typically retain the core elements associated with vampires in earlier traditions: a connection to death, a physical body, and a form of predatory dependence on the living. Which seems best for Wikibooks? ~~ [[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] ([[User talk:3MMPEYTON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/3MMPEYTON|contribs]]) 11:07, 12 May 2026 (UTC) == New Topics, we can develop == I hope to write a new section. I used Copilot AI to generate new ideas for Create Vampires. Here is an idea I would like to expand: Historical and Cross-Cultural Origins of Vampire Archetypes -Overview of vampire-like beings from other global folklore. - How these traditions shape modern vampire tales. - Build a table comparing characteristics across cultures. I got a list of vampire-like "beings" from AI. I created a new page. Historical And Cross-Cultural Origins of Vampire Archetypes: Asanbosam (Ashanti, Ghana) — A forest‑dwelling creature with iron teeth and hook‑like feet; attacks from trees. Obayifo (West Africa) — A witch‑like being believed to drain life‑energy from children. Adze (Ewe, Togo/Ghana) — A vampiric spirit that can take the form of a firefly and feed on blood or life‑force. European vampire-like beings: Strigoi (Romania) — Restless dead who return to drain vitality or blood from the living. Upir (Slavic regions) — Early Slavic vampire figure; often associated with disease and nocturnal attacks. Nachzehrer (Germany) — A corpse believed to consume its own burial shroud and psychically drain the living. Vrykolakas (Greece) — A reanimated body associated with plague, misfortune, and nocturnal predation. Mullo (Romani) — A dead person who returns to harm or drain the living. Asian vampire-like beings: Jiangshi (China) — A “hopping” reanimated corpse that drains qi (life‑energy). Penanggalan (Malaysia) — A woman whose head detaches with trailing organs; feeds on blood. Manananggal (Philippines) — A being that separates its upper body and preys on humans at night. Rakshasa (India) — A shape‑shifting demon that sometimes consumes flesh or life‑force. Pontianak / Kuntilanak (Indonesia/Malaysia) — A vampiric spirit of a woman who died in childbirth Middle Eastern vampire-like beings: Ghul (Arabian folklore) — A desert‑dwelling creature that consumes flesh and sometimes blood. Alp (Turkic regions) — A nocturnal spirit that causes nightmares and may drain vitality. Estrie (Jewish folklore) — A female vampiric demon that feeds on blood. The American vampire-like beings: Chupacabra (Latin America) — A modern cryptid said to drain blood from livestock. Tlahuelpuchi (Mexico, Tlaxcala) — A shape‑shifting being, often female, believed to feed on blood. Soucouyant (Caribbean) — A woman who sheds her skin and becomes a fireball to feed on blood. Wendigo (Algonquian peoples) — Not a vampire, but a cannibalistic spirit associated with hunger and consumption. Oceanian vampire-like beings: Yara-ma-yha-who (Australia, Aboriginal folklore) — A small red creature that drains blood through suckers on its hands and feet. [[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] ([[User talk:3MMPEYTON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/3MMPEYTON|contribs]]) 12:45, 12 May 2026 (UTC) == Copilot AI Use == On May 12, 2026 <br> I asked Microsoft Copilot (AI) several questions. <br> Q: Hello Copilot. I have a question. What are a few ideas to use on a wikibooks page about vampires? The page is nonfictional. The page is entitled: Create Vampires. <br> Q: Is this tone neutral? "Vampires of the Imagination" [section] <br> Rewrite the entire "Vampires of the Imagination" section in perfect wikibooks tone.<br> Q: Can you give a list of vampire-like beings in global folklore? <br> Q: How do I cite my source? <br> Build a bibliography for me. <br> Q: How would I introduce the concept: Archetype, and the overview of vampire-like beings in global folklore? <br> Q: Do you know how these traits shaped modern vampire traits? <br> Create a table showing which cultures contributed which traits. <br> Q: Can you please analyze The Vampire by Kipling? <br> Q: Can you help me with literary and media analysis, tropes and how they evolved? <br> Q: Can you give me examples of literary pitfalls? <br> Analyze examples from literature or media that fall into or avoid these pitfalls. <br> Q: Where [were] there any Authors who originated vampire tropes? <br> Q: How do I reference vampire literary pitfalls and how to avoid them? <br> Q: Can you cite your sources for the vampire literary pitfalls and how to avoid them section? <br> <br> End of questions concerning Create Vampires. <br> I ask, did I document each instance of using AI correctly? [[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] ([[User talk:3MMPEYTON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/3MMPEYTON|contribs]]) 08:03, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] to clarify, have you been using generative AI for all your contributions at Wikibooks? —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 16:50, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::No. I have created many pages before May 12th, 2026, without assistance from AI. ::I have listed the prompts I used when interacting with Copilot, in order to brainstorm for new ideas. ::Copilot extended my original ideas for the books pages. [[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] ([[User talk:3MMPEYTON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/3MMPEYTON|contribs]]) 17:29, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::@[[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] Got it. Please note that [[Wikibooks:Artificial intelligence|Wikibooks policy]] expressly prohibits the use of generative AI to {{tq|"generate or summarize material and ideas at Wikibooks"}}, so this content you added after May 12 may need to be deleted. Let me know if you have any questions about this! —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 02:07, 20 May 2026 (UTC) == Now What? Thanks for reading, and commenting! == How do I un-learn the factual information Copilot (AI) gave me? Most of the information he listed, I found on Wikipedia, I then edited and summarized the information. Copilot provided a list that was specific, allowing me to easily access information on Wikipedia. How can I continue to use Wikipedia as a source, after having used Copilot? I also rewrote most of the information Copilot introduced. I treated Copilot like a resource, similar to Wikipedia, I was careful to re-write each line. [[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] ([[User talk:3MMPEYTON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/3MMPEYTON|contribs]]) 18:57, 22 May 2026 (UTC) o8mpacxr4f5dbx9kv7ailjnflygt1sd 4637060 4637054 2026-05-22T19:04:02Z 3MMPEYTON 3393808 /* Now What? Thanks for reading, and commenting! */ 4637060 wikitext text/x-wiki == Zombie by Margaret Atwood == '''Zombie''' is a poem by the world famous poet Margaret Atwood. Her poem can be found in her book <u>'''Dearly'''</u>, a collection of her new poems. I hope to post a critical essay on 'Zombie' by Margaret Atwood, as a example of critical analysis in Literature. I am certain that I can fairly reprint a few lines from the poem, yet I'm not sure if I can post the entire poem. Any suggestions? Thanks~~ [[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] ([[User talk:3MMPEYTON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/3MMPEYTON|contribs]]) 18:04, 25 June 2022 (UTC) <br> There you have it: zombie. <br> Didn't you always suspect? <br> "Poetry is the past <br> that breaks out in our hearts" <br> like a virus, like an infection. <br> <br> The quote within the poem: "Poetry is the past that breaks out in our hearts..." is taken from the poet Rilke. <br> ==NEW EDITS!== NEW TOPIC: [ I left these paragraphs under CREATE VAMPIRES / History and Folklore ] History, meaning inquiry, or knowledge acquired from the past by investigation, may stem from Greek historia, according to Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:History History is related to folklore, yet is essentially different. Folklore are stories about a particular culture, yet Folklore, and similar legends, are told from a subjective perspective, and are not validated by external sources. Folklore and legends are classified as cultural heritage. History is not myth, mainly for reasons that involve telling a story about events that have happened in the past, and then gathering supporting evidence used to validate one's history. The study of History is a major discipline in academic fields. The nature of the vampire shifted from folklore stories, that often contained warnings, to mutated stories about pale monsters and occult-ish blood lettings. It is as if the horrific stories about the tragic events that happened to some people, horror stories that were traditionally passed orally from person to person, started to pass culturally from one region to another region, finally emerging (centuries later) from the author's imagination in tangible, written form, vastly distorted, yet eerily relevant, with the mysterious ability to capture the imagination of young readers. Imaginative young readers today, could greatly benefit from Creative Writing classes offered in many Public High Schools. Creative writing classes are controversial classes in academia, yet in general, helpful to students in public schools. Creative writing programs are developing. In many public schools, creative writing classes are related to Language classes, and Art classes. Creative writing is not a discipline in academic fields. Create Vampire is a free wikibook intended as a guide, and as a non-fictional resource for people fascinated by vampires and similar monsters! TIP: Before creating a vampire character, you could ask yourself if you want your vampire to reflect stories based in Folklore, gathered from events that happened to actual people, or you may prefer to create a vampire from your imagination. Perhaps a imaginary creation who possesses non-human traits? I edited this major paragraph Create Vampires / History and Folklore / Create Vampires?: <BR>CREATE VAMPIRES? In a world where people desire to make a lot of money, in the shortest amount of time. In a world where bank robbery is illegal, yet grave-robbery is not...? In a world populated by individuals who seemed ruled by greed, vampires and other monsters are sometimes spoken into some tangible, often frightening existence. [[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] ([[User talk:3MMPEYTON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/3MMPEYTON|contribs]]) 15:24, 13 August 2022 (UTC) If we exist in a world where characters could be spoken into existence, and allowed to linger in unusual fields bound and un-bound... If characters could linger, losing human characteristics and form, linger like ghost populating flat white spaces, if characters could attain atypical motion, yet exist like zombies without the ability to reason, or exist like demons without kindness, or exist like vampires, with constant hunger, sharing kindness with the hungry ghost who linger with desires to be fed, if such empty planes were populated by hungry, unreasoning, lingering atypical creations, mere works of the imagination, would their monster's tale be worthy of note? I hope to add this paragraph [somewhere after "The nature of the vampire shifted from folklore stories..."] The nature of the vampire shifted from folklore stories, that often contained warnings, to mutated stories about pale monsters and occult-ish blood lettings. It is as if the horrific stories about the tragic events that happened to some people, horror stories that were traditionally passed orally from person to person, started to pass culturally from one region to another region, finally emerging (centuries later) from the author's imagination in tangible, written form, vastly distorted, yet eerily relevant, with the mysterious ability to capture the imagination of young readers. <BR>Thanks. [[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] ([[User talk:3MMPEYTON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/3MMPEYTON|contribs]]) 15:24, 13 August 2022 (UTC) == I will miss Pi zero. == Although this is a personal response, in no way related to "Create Vampires," I have recently learned of Wikibooks' loss. Pi zero was a great guide, and I will miss his guidance when I am loss on Wikibooks. He was a special person online. Now I wonder who will remind me to avoid ORIGINAL RESEARCH? LOL. [[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] ([[User talk:3MMPEYTON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/3MMPEYTON|contribs]]) 15:54, 15 August 2022 (UTC) == Why Create Vampires? == I added 5 new paragraphs to a new page: Why Create Vampires? <br> Contributions from Wikibookians interested in these subjects, especially vampires, are welcomed! <br> <br> [new section] What would happen if you woke-up one day with a horrible craving for blood? What if you woke up, then slowly realized that you were invisible, would you get dressed out of habit? What if you woke-up one day both hungry and invisible? What would you do? These are questions writers may consider when approaching fictional narratives. Stories about ghosts, angels, zombies and vampires are popular with modern readers, yet why do people write about vampires? Should you? Perhaps writing creatively about a fascinating subject is a bit of a dream. In order to first figure out what to write, some people may choose to gather together with other writing students to consider and experiment with ideas and techniques of use to other Writers. Classes that encourage creative writing, may encourage exploration of fascinating subjects, such as vampires. Exploration of unusual subjects can be rewarding to the creative spirit! Creative writing is a self-developmental process involving your creativity, using established techniques of the Writer’s craft, shaped by your level of honesty. In creative writing classes, your story is not just your creative expression, each story you take time to write is similar to a window allowing people to share in the communication process. You don’t just share common norms about spelling, grammar, or idiomatic expressions used by normal people, your story can share information about how a group of people reacted to life-altering events, meaning your stories can in a general sense, reflect the society and times you observe and write about. Because every writer is advised to “write what you know,” you may willingly look for safe ways to write what you know, creatively, in a non-factual manner that may not share factual information, yet will express your emotions, or will reflect the feelings of everyone. Creative writing is about telling a story, in a expressive, original manner. Techniques like tone, meaning how to express the right mood, emotional intensity, or level of humor, meaning how we tell the story using the right tone to a reader who is unable to hear you, or hear the people your story will reflect, may become easier after we have developed better writing skills. Creative writing is a subject about developing better writing skills, and allowing honest expression, often in non-factual, creative ways. <br> <br> Writers who write about the vampires from their imagination maybe following their own personal creative spirit. <br> <br> <br> I WILL SLOWLY ADD MORE INFORMATION TO THIS SECTION [NOT ON MAIN PAGE] Why Create Vampires? / Warning! <br> '''WARNING: <u>Vampires of the imagination in action!</u>''' <br> <br> Giving warnings against vampires of the imagination maybe a useful device writers could explore. <br> Typical vampires of the imagination are not friendly characters, they seem to possess unusual traits and characteristics, they are not popular, <br> almost un-loveable, and very problematic.<BR> <br> {| class="wikitable" |+ COMMON VAMPIRE-IMAGINATION TRAITS + CHARACTERISTICS:<br> |- ! Traits !! !! Characteristics |- | Pale / Deadly pale || || Enjoy isolation / Loner personality |- | Long fangs / Fang-ish teeth || || Predator personality |- | Thin || || Alpha Male type |- | Black hair / Brown Hair || || "Energy Vampire" : Negativity, overly dramatic, hostile rages, complaints and sad stories. |- | Re-animated corpse with failing body issues. || || |} <BR> Vampires of the imagination that seem to be re-animated, walking corpses, some with dominate alpha-male behaviors and sharp cuspids, could be a terror, a monster, or a walking nightmare to a town, or neighborhood. It is easy for Writers to warn their readers against such a vampire [...of the imagination], yet what about vampires with subtle negative energy influences? What of Energy vampires and other less monster-ish vampires of the imagination?<br> <BR> '''Tip:''' Typically, humans have four cuspids in their mouth. Two on the bottom, and two on the top left and right side of the mouth. <BR> These are the sharpest, longest teeth, they have a pointed edge and have been called "vampire teeth" by some Writers.<BR> <br> {| class="wikitable" |+ Supernatural Vampire Traits |- ! Traits that are supernatural !! Mythological Creature |- | Immortality <br>Drinking blood <br> Sunlight Poisoning<br> Heightened senses <br> Morphing || [[File:"Le Vampire".jpg|thumb|"Le Vampire"]] |} <br> Vampire stories found in Eastern European Folklore often warn people against evil characters, or of a evil character [the antagonist] <br> who in a malicious manner seeks to harm innocent people. Regardless of the motive, the methods are of drugging [poisoning] the victim, <br> which often leads to the innocent person getting buried alive, and / or having their graves robbed by grave-robbers interested <br> in robbing the rich. Many Eastern European folk stories have warnings against grave-robbers! <br> <br> Some traits for vampires of the imagination are obviously supernatural, yet other vampires of the imagination possess normal traits, yet are described as displaying unusual behaviors. In 1819, John Polidore wrote The Vampyre, a fictional piece that is noted as having introduced vampires of modern Fiction. The Poet Rudyard Kipling wrote in his The Vampire in 1897 "To a rag and a bone and a hank of hair," it is implied that Kipling's vampire is realistic, thus mostly made up. Tip: Typically, humans have four cuspids in their mouth. Two on the bottom, and two on the top left and right side of the mouth. These are the sharpest, longest teeth, they have a pointed edge and have been called "vampire teeth" by some Writers. Perhaps Juliet in William Shakespeare's play: Romeo and Juliet could be described by some people as a vampire of the imagination. Does William Shakespeare describe physical traits that would support this claim or unusual interpretation? Do the characters act in ways that may influence, or inspire, future imaginative vampire stories?<br> <br> [new section: Why Create Vampires? Legal Considerations] <br> '''<u>Why Create Vampires? Legal Considerations</u>''' <br> For many legal reasons, people are not allowed to poison then legally bury other people alive, nor are people allowed to rob another person's grave. <br> When we hear about the grim and bloody punishments Vlad- The Impaler inflicted on grave robbers and other lawless thieves, we may start to wonder, why create vampires? <br> <br> It is rumored that Vlad - The Impaler, Prince of Wallachia (a region now known as southern Romania), ran spikey poles through his enemies during the middle of the 14th century. Vlad may have impaled hundreds, worse, many of the impaled were left outside his city on display as a warning to scare off invaders and robbers, including grave robbers! Many folk stories about the Prince of Wallachia circulate where folk stories are written and read. <br> <br> When vampire folklore is reviewed, we learn about History, and about people from other cultures, many who struggled with, and for their humanity. We learn of the methods (sometimes bloody) people used to solve problems, and we may wonder how our society would fairly solve our problems while staying humane. We may also wonder about other folk stories from around the world, such as the zombie-person, the demon-person, or the hungry ghost-person. How does a human get turned into a hungry ghost-person? <br> <br> [[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] ([[User talk:3MMPEYTON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/3MMPEYTON|contribs]]) 15:33, 25 August 2022 (UTC) <br> Sources: <br> [[https://healthpsychologyconsultancy.wordpress.com/2012/07/13/the-energy-vampire-personality-type/|https://healthpsychologyconsultancy.wordpress.com/2012/07/13/the-energy-vampire-personality-type/]] wordpress.com Reviewed: 8/19/2022 <br> [[https://theconversation.com/five-vampire-traits-that-exist-in-the-natural-world-104957|https://theconversation.com/five-vampire-traits-that-exist-in-the-natural-world-104957]] theconversation.com <br> [[https://www.dictionary.com/browse/cuspid|https://www.dictionary.com/browse/cuspid]] www.dictionary.com <br> Thanks [[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] ([[User talk:3MMPEYTON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/3MMPEYTON|contribs]]) 17:03, 19 August 2022 (UTC) == DROPPING MY RACIAL BAGGAGE == <br> MY PERSONAL INFORMATION SEEMS TO BELONG ON MY DISCUSSION PAGE.<br> Dropping My Racial Baggage <br> On my body I have two birthmarks. One is a darker brown than my normally brown body, the other is a yellowish-brown birthmark, lighter than most of my brown body. I always knew my family was blended, we merged and emerged from attractive dark brown and yellowish-brown relatives who could pass as white because of their facial features. Today, I’m sure they could blend with tan Americans, meaning Americans who are a lighter brown in skin complexion and appearance. I always thought my family was most like the family from The Cosby Show, a popular family TV Show. On The Cosby Show, Bill Cosby’s TV father was not embarrassed by the members of his family who came in a range of shades, from dark brown to almost-white. The fact was that families with extended family members felt comfortable, and popular, claiming all the members of their family! This was ideal. Some people wanted to celebrate. The 1980s were diverse and positive times for family Entertainment. As opposed to foreign cultural notions of people checking one of two boxes: black or white, and away from similar subversive cultural norms … black and tan? The composition by Duke Ellington comes to mind… I consider most Americans in a range between dark brown and tan. When people ask me my race, I always say “brown,” because I am a brown woman, or to be technically correct, I am a multi-colored, 4th dimensional woman. Most people do not want to be super-technical (by acknowledging the 4th dimension of space-time), yet people seem to want to live reasonable lives. For example, why can’t the box of 8 colors describe the colors we see when we look at other people? Perhaps crayons’ manufacturers, CRAYOLA, did need to make several flesh colored crayons and market colors that people appear to be, ranging from dark brown to light brown. After watching America’s Top Model, at least 13 seasons, I realized that most people can see beyond the simple “black” or “white” description, yet there are people who will describe a brown, or a tan person as either “black” or “white.” Humans calling people “black” or “white” use to mildly bother me, I remember when I roomed with a Jewish person, (a student who ate pepperoni pizza with few problems), a young woman who re-named me “black” every time I spoke with her, I remember feeling puzzled, then resentful. My third-grade Teacher never labeled me black, the other African-Americans in my High School never left me with the “black” label, nor did a few Native Americans who were called “Asian-Americans,” (…about Native-Americans, I mean we know where America is, but where is Asia?) therefore I was really puzzled. During my “identity growth” years, when I considered the words other people used to label “me,” I was grouped with other teenagers, later, mis-leading college students and other young adults whose mis-labeling of others was either a shameful oversight or ironic (the irony based on previous unexamined cultural biases Americans had failed to question). What is ironic about public expressions of race is the fact that our notions about race are influenced by our culture. For example, in High School, I remember my excitement about the field of Science, a high point after I had read a TIME magazine article that reported Scientist who could trace DNA via. The mitochondrial organelles. What I remember from my Cell Biology books are that the mitochondria are the “power house” of the cell. The article suggested that we could trace our ancestors DNA not just from DNA found in the nucleus, but also through analyzing unique DNA found in the mitochondria. This information made news, in fact, the cover of that TIME magazine was a arty image with a updated image of Adam and Eve. I assume the updated image was to announce the new Science developing to help find our ancestors and discovering our relatives. I remember that I stood in front of my Science class with a issue of TIME magazine in my hand, and I asked the class if they knew “black” people were in the garden of Eden. The arty image on the cover of TIME actually showed people who looked like African-Americans, people with brownish-tan skin, and mid-length curly hair. People in America who looked like the image on the TIME magazine cover were / are called “black” in America. As I gain a greater appreciation for the Arts, especially after I took a few Art appreciation classes, I realize that forcing a racial classification was rude, by asking if the class knew that black people were in the garden of Eden, I exposed my mis-education. It is the ironic mis-education I remember I attached to the arty TIME magazine cover. In my early weeks on my college campus, I would brag about my chosen field: Genetics. Because there was no major in Genetics, I had to settle for a Biology or a Chemistry major. I could take extra classes that focused on Genetics. Other Science students were also interested in Genetics and seemed the types who would follow me into Genetic fields where we would, hopefully, find jobs in Genetics, where we would one day help to cure genetic disorders. That was my teenage dream for my future career. Turns out, reality is less ideal. Although I did find meaningful work later, in a laboratory that studied animal genetics, I basically learned how to use modern Science equipment [a giant lesson needed if Science is to improve our understandings…]. Science equipment is complex, and often, a lack of a good understanding of Science and Technology left Science students with puzzling results… I also worked at a Hospital, and I proudly held a healthy and alert white baby boy whose parents were probably immigrants from China. Technically, I have held white children, and I technically believe that they are a minority, and like other children, small white children should always be protected by adults and by our government. Finally, I use to converse with other students about my hair, or about my complexion [my hair and skin does lighten and darken with sunlight exposure]. Few students believed I needed to allow my hair to be natural, to see the two different hair types (one tight and curly, like a spiral, the other less tight, more wavey), or that my time spent without make-up (concealer) was necessary, yet my time spent without make-up allowed my brown complexion to emerge (in its range of brownness). By studying my genotypic expression, my biological inheritance, my outer surface appeared. I studied myself as I truly would appear without cosmetics, concealers, and hair-straighteners. I did not burn my bra (I did have limits), yet freeing oneself of “surface enhancers” allowed me to feel confident in who I truly was: a healthier, brown woman with black curly hair. I suppose I found myself? Nonsense, how could I ever lose me? I allowed my natural surface appearance to emerge, at least for a brief time in my life. Were college students who were once interested in Genetics as a career path impressed? Probably not. For unknown reasons, the ‘natural’ black chick, or the brown wannabe white-Hippy stereotype seemed to follow me. After exposure to radiation [a safe level] while working in a research laboratory, I did follow a popular “back-to-nature” path where I preferred natural products to “overprocessed” or processes products. My non-racist friends, many blond with sun-kissed brown skin, were typical “white Hippies,” yet I didn’t have to be a wannabe white-Hippy to be a non-racist woman who supported nature, was a Environmentalist, and a supporter of better opportunities for all Americans, regardless of their color, religion or gender! When I went online to share my learnings, gleaned from my factual college experiences, I was treated like a poor black child who couldn’t understand racist online… What? I could look up the definition for racism. [Racism (n): prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized]. As I understand the concept, racism is a flawed ideology that simplifies reality, forcing complex humans into limited conceptual categories. I was always against individual racist, preferring my own understanding of the situation from Dr. Martin Luther King’s point-of view, as I remember his message, we should judge a man based on his character [his deeds] and not on the color of his skin. To better fight against racism, I got help from Christians. In general, Christians believe that God has a plan for all of humanity. Many Christians believe that all people are the children of God. In the presence of active Christians on campus, I met actual black people, people with dark brown skin that could be mistook for the color black in bright sunlight. Near “black” people, I felt the color brown, there was no other way to describe my skin’s appearance. I was a brown human, which is what I had been saying since the 3rd grade in my public school! Contact with diversity confirmed my truth. Now that I am a Christian, I do not mentally pick-up racist ideology as being somehow above Christian beliefs and values. I do try to sense a person’s character. Realistically, most people in America struggle to raise their children because it is hard to raise good Christians and good citizens. I am done with dragging around “racial baggage,” I see people and choose religious values to pick-up, humanity to champion. == Dracula behind Vlad - The Impaler == Greetings! <br> I am glad people like Pi zero reminded me against original research, because I do not want to walk a mile in a undead man's shoes. I found most sources online and in public libraries [I do not have a insider perspective, nor do I want to become a special "inspiration" for a vampire-person in another special reader's world].<br> I want to create a new section: Dracula behind Vlad - The Impaler. <br> <br> '''Dracula behind Vlad - The Impaler''' <br> <br> Sometimes Writers will mock their times, or the leaders in their society through parody, or through satire. In some countries Writers have the freedom to mock real men in Politics, or of great military influence who seem, in deed, like real monsters. <br> In History, there are a few real monsters, men who we will remember for their cruelty, or for their massive injustices. This does not appear to be the case with Dracula, a novel character considered "inspired by" Vlad The Impaler. [[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] ([[User talk:3MMPEYTON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/3MMPEYTON|contribs]]) 16:26, 23 August 2022 (UTC) Because of Bram Stoker, a popular Irish Writer, Vlad came to be known as the ''original'' Dracula. It is ironic that the fictional character, Dracula, is well known yet the historic man, Vlad, a Prince from a Romanian royal family, is less known. According to one writer / Historian, "...as he wrote Dracula, he borrowed certain aspects of Vlad's life and wove them in with local folklore from the region." <br> Vlad, a special Prince of Romania, is a difficult subject to research. His Political influence is greatest in Romania, as is his mythic achievements. Vlad seemed to have influenced local folklore before Bram Stoker wrote his novel, '''Dracula''' in 1897. <br> Estimates puts the number of people Vlad is rumored to have killed at around 80,000 people. That seems questionable, it seems unlikely for 1 man to have murdered [directly] a large chunk of the Romanian population. Although it was never rumored by the people who tell, and re-tell folk stories, that Vlad drank blood, he is known as the person behind many bloody impalements and beheadings. <br> According to Wikipedia, "Offences where impalement was occasionally employed included contempt for the state's responsibility for safe roads and trade routes by committing highway robbery or grave robbery, violating state policies or monopolies, or subverting standards for trade. Offenders have also been impaled for a variety of cultural, sexual, and religious reasons." <br> <br> Vlad's father was a ruler of Wallachia, a territory between the Ottoman Empire and Europe, a country whose modern name is now known as Romania (southern). {| class="wikitable" |+ |- ! 5 Facts About Vlad - The Romanian Prince |- | Father: Vlad Dracul |- | Mother: Cneajna |- | Born: 1428 - 1431 |- | Year of Reigns: 1448, 1456 - 1462, 1476 |- | Died: December 1476 - January 1477 |} Source: <br> <u>The World's Most Glorious And Notorious Rulers: The Great And The Terrible And How They Got Their Names"</u> by JoAnne O'Sullivan. Copyright 2020 by JoAnne O'Sullivan. Published by Running Press Kids, an imprint of Perseus Books, LLC. ISBN: 978-0-7624-9661-7 <br> <br> Wikipedia.com [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_the_Impaler]<br> THANKS [[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] ([[User talk:3MMPEYTON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/3MMPEYTON|contribs]]) 17:19, 23 August 2022 (UTC) == Can a kind person help me update (concerning AI)? == Hello. I have not been online to edit Create Vampire in about a year. I noticed new information concerning AI, but I did not have enough time to read and reflect. I am not sure about what Wikibooks will allow concerning AI. I have my original introduction, which I fear may not be neutral enough. I would like to compare my original introduction with the AI rewrite of Vampires of the Imagination. Introduction: Vampires of the Imagination: Although vampires are creatures of folklore, monsters from the afterlife that are sometimes called the "un-dead," vampires are uniquely different from ghost, those lingering spirits who refuse to die. Although vampires, by definition, are animated corpses, vampires of the imagination must feed on human blood in order to continue their earthly existence. This unique quality makes vampires a popular and original type of fiction, slightly different from other creatures found in folklore. Rewrite with AI: Vampires of the Imagination: In many cultural traditions, vampires are described as beings associated with death or the afterlife. They are often distinguished from ghosts, which are typically understood as disembodied spirits rather than reanimated bodies. Folklore commonly portrays vampires as animated corpses that sustain themselves by consuming the blood or life‑essence of the living. This characteristic has contributed to their development as a distinct category of supernatural figure within literature and popular culture. The idea of a blood‑dependent, corporeal being sets vampires apart from other figures in global folklore, many of which do not require physical sustenance or do not possess a physical form at all. In modern fiction, these traditional concepts have evolved into what may be called “vampires of the imagination”—creative interpretations that draw inspiration from historical beliefs while adapting traits to suit narrative, thematic, or symbolic purposes. These fictional versions vary widely, but they typically retain the core elements associated with vampires in earlier traditions: a connection to death, a physical body, and a form of predatory dependence on the living. Which seems best for Wikibooks? ~~ [[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] ([[User talk:3MMPEYTON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/3MMPEYTON|contribs]]) 11:07, 12 May 2026 (UTC) == New Topics, we can develop == I hope to write a new section. I used Copilot AI to generate new ideas for Create Vampires. Here is an idea I would like to expand: Historical and Cross-Cultural Origins of Vampire Archetypes -Overview of vampire-like beings from other global folklore. - How these traditions shape modern vampire tales. - Build a table comparing characteristics across cultures. I got a list of vampire-like "beings" from AI. I created a new page. Historical And Cross-Cultural Origins of Vampire Archetypes: Asanbosam (Ashanti, Ghana) — A forest‑dwelling creature with iron teeth and hook‑like feet; attacks from trees. Obayifo (West Africa) — A witch‑like being believed to drain life‑energy from children. Adze (Ewe, Togo/Ghana) — A vampiric spirit that can take the form of a firefly and feed on blood or life‑force. European vampire-like beings: Strigoi (Romania) — Restless dead who return to drain vitality or blood from the living. Upir (Slavic regions) — Early Slavic vampire figure; often associated with disease and nocturnal attacks. Nachzehrer (Germany) — A corpse believed to consume its own burial shroud and psychically drain the living. Vrykolakas (Greece) — A reanimated body associated with plague, misfortune, and nocturnal predation. Mullo (Romani) — A dead person who returns to harm or drain the living. Asian vampire-like beings: Jiangshi (China) — A “hopping” reanimated corpse that drains qi (life‑energy). Penanggalan (Malaysia) — A woman whose head detaches with trailing organs; feeds on blood. Manananggal (Philippines) — A being that separates its upper body and preys on humans at night. Rakshasa (India) — A shape‑shifting demon that sometimes consumes flesh or life‑force. Pontianak / Kuntilanak (Indonesia/Malaysia) — A vampiric spirit of a woman who died in childbirth Middle Eastern vampire-like beings: Ghul (Arabian folklore) — A desert‑dwelling creature that consumes flesh and sometimes blood. Alp (Turkic regions) — A nocturnal spirit that causes nightmares and may drain vitality. Estrie (Jewish folklore) — A female vampiric demon that feeds on blood. The American vampire-like beings: Chupacabra (Latin America) — A modern cryptid said to drain blood from livestock. Tlahuelpuchi (Mexico, Tlaxcala) — A shape‑shifting being, often female, believed to feed on blood. Soucouyant (Caribbean) — A woman who sheds her skin and becomes a fireball to feed on blood. Wendigo (Algonquian peoples) — Not a vampire, but a cannibalistic spirit associated with hunger and consumption. Oceanian vampire-like beings: Yara-ma-yha-who (Australia, Aboriginal folklore) — A small red creature that drains blood through suckers on its hands and feet. [[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] ([[User talk:3MMPEYTON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/3MMPEYTON|contribs]]) 12:45, 12 May 2026 (UTC) == Copilot AI Use == On May 12, 2026 <br> I asked Microsoft Copilot (AI) several questions. <br> Q: Hello Copilot. I have a question. What are a few ideas to use on a wikibooks page about vampires? The page is nonfictional. The page is entitled: Create Vampires. <br> Q: Is this tone neutral? "Vampires of the Imagination" [section] <br> Rewrite the entire "Vampires of the Imagination" section in perfect wikibooks tone.<br> Q: Can you give a list of vampire-like beings in global folklore? <br> Q: How do I cite my source? <br> Build a bibliography for me. <br> Q: How would I introduce the concept: Archetype, and the overview of vampire-like beings in global folklore? <br> Q: Do you know how these traits shaped modern vampire traits? <br> Create a table showing which cultures contributed which traits. <br> Q: Can you please analyze The Vampire by Kipling? <br> Q: Can you help me with literary and media analysis, tropes and how they evolved? <br> Q: Can you give me examples of literary pitfalls? <br> Analyze examples from literature or media that fall into or avoid these pitfalls. <br> Q: Where [were] there any Authors who originated vampire tropes? <br> Q: How do I reference vampire literary pitfalls and how to avoid them? <br> Q: Can you cite your sources for the vampire literary pitfalls and how to avoid them section? <br> <br> End of questions concerning Create Vampires. <br> I ask, did I document each instance of using AI correctly? [[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] ([[User talk:3MMPEYTON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/3MMPEYTON|contribs]]) 08:03, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] to clarify, have you been using generative AI for all your contributions at Wikibooks? —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 16:50, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::No. I have created many pages before May 12th, 2026, without assistance from AI. ::I have listed the prompts I used when interacting with Copilot, in order to brainstorm for new ideas. ::Copilot extended my original ideas for the books pages. [[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] ([[User talk:3MMPEYTON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/3MMPEYTON|contribs]]) 17:29, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::@[[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] Got it. Please note that [[Wikibooks:Artificial intelligence|Wikibooks policy]] expressly prohibits the use of generative AI to {{tq|"generate or summarize material and ideas at Wikibooks"}}, so this content you added after May 12 may need to be deleted. Let me know if you have any questions about this! —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 02:07, 20 May 2026 (UTC) == Now What? Thanks for reading, and commenting! == How do I un-learn the factual information Copilot (AI) gave me? Most of the information he listed, I found on Wikipedia, I then edited and summarized the information. Copilot provided a list that was specific, allowing me to easily access information on Wikipedia. How can I continue to use Wikipedia as a source, after having used Copilot? I also rewrote most of the information Copilot introduced. I treated Copilot like a resource, similar to Wikipedia, I was careful to re-write each line. I also used Copilot to give me a list of Authors who influenced the vampire genre. This list had names of writers I had not read yet. How do I move around this list of famous Authors? They are a kind of "core" group of Authors. [[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] ([[User talk:3MMPEYTON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/3MMPEYTON|contribs]]) 18:57, 22 May 2026 (UTC) g6hss9qal16ry1j2iad09hu1zu9imew 4637088 4637060 2026-05-22T19:52:25Z 3MMPEYTON 3393808 /* What About Search Engines? */ new section 4637088 wikitext text/x-wiki == Zombie by Margaret Atwood == '''Zombie''' is a poem by the world famous poet Margaret Atwood. Her poem can be found in her book <u>'''Dearly'''</u>, a collection of her new poems. I hope to post a critical essay on 'Zombie' by Margaret Atwood, as a example of critical analysis in Literature. I am certain that I can fairly reprint a few lines from the poem, yet I'm not sure if I can post the entire poem. Any suggestions? Thanks~~ [[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] ([[User talk:3MMPEYTON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/3MMPEYTON|contribs]]) 18:04, 25 June 2022 (UTC) <br> There you have it: zombie. <br> Didn't you always suspect? <br> "Poetry is the past <br> that breaks out in our hearts" <br> like a virus, like an infection. <br> <br> The quote within the poem: "Poetry is the past that breaks out in our hearts..." is taken from the poet Rilke. <br> ==NEW EDITS!== NEW TOPIC: [ I left these paragraphs under CREATE VAMPIRES / History and Folklore ] History, meaning inquiry, or knowledge acquired from the past by investigation, may stem from Greek historia, according to Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:History History is related to folklore, yet is essentially different. Folklore are stories about a particular culture, yet Folklore, and similar legends, are told from a subjective perspective, and are not validated by external sources. Folklore and legends are classified as cultural heritage. History is not myth, mainly for reasons that involve telling a story about events that have happened in the past, and then gathering supporting evidence used to validate one's history. The study of History is a major discipline in academic fields. The nature of the vampire shifted from folklore stories, that often contained warnings, to mutated stories about pale monsters and occult-ish blood lettings. It is as if the horrific stories about the tragic events that happened to some people, horror stories that were traditionally passed orally from person to person, started to pass culturally from one region to another region, finally emerging (centuries later) from the author's imagination in tangible, written form, vastly distorted, yet eerily relevant, with the mysterious ability to capture the imagination of young readers. Imaginative young readers today, could greatly benefit from Creative Writing classes offered in many Public High Schools. Creative writing classes are controversial classes in academia, yet in general, helpful to students in public schools. Creative writing programs are developing. In many public schools, creative writing classes are related to Language classes, and Art classes. Creative writing is not a discipline in academic fields. Create Vampire is a free wikibook intended as a guide, and as a non-fictional resource for people fascinated by vampires and similar monsters! TIP: Before creating a vampire character, you could ask yourself if you want your vampire to reflect stories based in Folklore, gathered from events that happened to actual people, or you may prefer to create a vampire from your imagination. Perhaps a imaginary creation who possesses non-human traits? I edited this major paragraph Create Vampires / History and Folklore / Create Vampires?: <BR>CREATE VAMPIRES? In a world where people desire to make a lot of money, in the shortest amount of time. In a world where bank robbery is illegal, yet grave-robbery is not...? In a world populated by individuals who seemed ruled by greed, vampires and other monsters are sometimes spoken into some tangible, often frightening existence. [[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] ([[User talk:3MMPEYTON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/3MMPEYTON|contribs]]) 15:24, 13 August 2022 (UTC) If we exist in a world where characters could be spoken into existence, and allowed to linger in unusual fields bound and un-bound... If characters could linger, losing human characteristics and form, linger like ghost populating flat white spaces, if characters could attain atypical motion, yet exist like zombies without the ability to reason, or exist like demons without kindness, or exist like vampires, with constant hunger, sharing kindness with the hungry ghost who linger with desires to be fed, if such empty planes were populated by hungry, unreasoning, lingering atypical creations, mere works of the imagination, would their monster's tale be worthy of note? I hope to add this paragraph [somewhere after "The nature of the vampire shifted from folklore stories..."] The nature of the vampire shifted from folklore stories, that often contained warnings, to mutated stories about pale monsters and occult-ish blood lettings. It is as if the horrific stories about the tragic events that happened to some people, horror stories that were traditionally passed orally from person to person, started to pass culturally from one region to another region, finally emerging (centuries later) from the author's imagination in tangible, written form, vastly distorted, yet eerily relevant, with the mysterious ability to capture the imagination of young readers. <BR>Thanks. [[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] ([[User talk:3MMPEYTON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/3MMPEYTON|contribs]]) 15:24, 13 August 2022 (UTC) == I will miss Pi zero. == Although this is a personal response, in no way related to "Create Vampires," I have recently learned of Wikibooks' loss. Pi zero was a great guide, and I will miss his guidance when I am loss on Wikibooks. He was a special person online. Now I wonder who will remind me to avoid ORIGINAL RESEARCH? LOL. [[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] ([[User talk:3MMPEYTON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/3MMPEYTON|contribs]]) 15:54, 15 August 2022 (UTC) == Why Create Vampires? == I added 5 new paragraphs to a new page: Why Create Vampires? <br> Contributions from Wikibookians interested in these subjects, especially vampires, are welcomed! <br> <br> [new section] What would happen if you woke-up one day with a horrible craving for blood? What if you woke up, then slowly realized that you were invisible, would you get dressed out of habit? What if you woke-up one day both hungry and invisible? What would you do? These are questions writers may consider when approaching fictional narratives. Stories about ghosts, angels, zombies and vampires are popular with modern readers, yet why do people write about vampires? Should you? Perhaps writing creatively about a fascinating subject is a bit of a dream. In order to first figure out what to write, some people may choose to gather together with other writing students to consider and experiment with ideas and techniques of use to other Writers. Classes that encourage creative writing, may encourage exploration of fascinating subjects, such as vampires. Exploration of unusual subjects can be rewarding to the creative spirit! Creative writing is a self-developmental process involving your creativity, using established techniques of the Writer’s craft, shaped by your level of honesty. In creative writing classes, your story is not just your creative expression, each story you take time to write is similar to a window allowing people to share in the communication process. You don’t just share common norms about spelling, grammar, or idiomatic expressions used by normal people, your story can share information about how a group of people reacted to life-altering events, meaning your stories can in a general sense, reflect the society and times you observe and write about. Because every writer is advised to “write what you know,” you may willingly look for safe ways to write what you know, creatively, in a non-factual manner that may not share factual information, yet will express your emotions, or will reflect the feelings of everyone. Creative writing is about telling a story, in a expressive, original manner. Techniques like tone, meaning how to express the right mood, emotional intensity, or level of humor, meaning how we tell the story using the right tone to a reader who is unable to hear you, or hear the people your story will reflect, may become easier after we have developed better writing skills. Creative writing is a subject about developing better writing skills, and allowing honest expression, often in non-factual, creative ways. <br> <br> Writers who write about the vampires from their imagination maybe following their own personal creative spirit. <br> <br> <br> I WILL SLOWLY ADD MORE INFORMATION TO THIS SECTION [NOT ON MAIN PAGE] Why Create Vampires? / Warning! <br> '''WARNING: <u>Vampires of the imagination in action!</u>''' <br> <br> Giving warnings against vampires of the imagination maybe a useful device writers could explore. <br> Typical vampires of the imagination are not friendly characters, they seem to possess unusual traits and characteristics, they are not popular, <br> almost un-loveable, and very problematic.<BR> <br> {| class="wikitable" |+ COMMON VAMPIRE-IMAGINATION TRAITS + CHARACTERISTICS:<br> |- ! Traits !! !! Characteristics |- | Pale / Deadly pale || || Enjoy isolation / Loner personality |- | Long fangs / Fang-ish teeth || || Predator personality |- | Thin || || Alpha Male type |- | Black hair / Brown Hair || || "Energy Vampire" : Negativity, overly dramatic, hostile rages, complaints and sad stories. |- | Re-animated corpse with failing body issues. || || |} <BR> Vampires of the imagination that seem to be re-animated, walking corpses, some with dominate alpha-male behaviors and sharp cuspids, could be a terror, a monster, or a walking nightmare to a town, or neighborhood. It is easy for Writers to warn their readers against such a vampire [...of the imagination], yet what about vampires with subtle negative energy influences? What of Energy vampires and other less monster-ish vampires of the imagination?<br> <BR> '''Tip:''' Typically, humans have four cuspids in their mouth. Two on the bottom, and two on the top left and right side of the mouth. <BR> These are the sharpest, longest teeth, they have a pointed edge and have been called "vampire teeth" by some Writers.<BR> <br> {| class="wikitable" |+ Supernatural Vampire Traits |- ! Traits that are supernatural !! Mythological Creature |- | Immortality <br>Drinking blood <br> Sunlight Poisoning<br> Heightened senses <br> Morphing || [[File:"Le Vampire".jpg|thumb|"Le Vampire"]] |} <br> Vampire stories found in Eastern European Folklore often warn people against evil characters, or of a evil character [the antagonist] <br> who in a malicious manner seeks to harm innocent people. Regardless of the motive, the methods are of drugging [poisoning] the victim, <br> which often leads to the innocent person getting buried alive, and / or having their graves robbed by grave-robbers interested <br> in robbing the rich. Many Eastern European folk stories have warnings against grave-robbers! <br> <br> Some traits for vampires of the imagination are obviously supernatural, yet other vampires of the imagination possess normal traits, yet are described as displaying unusual behaviors. In 1819, John Polidore wrote The Vampyre, a fictional piece that is noted as having introduced vampires of modern Fiction. The Poet Rudyard Kipling wrote in his The Vampire in 1897 "To a rag and a bone and a hank of hair," it is implied that Kipling's vampire is realistic, thus mostly made up. Tip: Typically, humans have four cuspids in their mouth. Two on the bottom, and two on the top left and right side of the mouth. These are the sharpest, longest teeth, they have a pointed edge and have been called "vampire teeth" by some Writers. Perhaps Juliet in William Shakespeare's play: Romeo and Juliet could be described by some people as a vampire of the imagination. Does William Shakespeare describe physical traits that would support this claim or unusual interpretation? Do the characters act in ways that may influence, or inspire, future imaginative vampire stories?<br> <br> [new section: Why Create Vampires? Legal Considerations] <br> '''<u>Why Create Vampires? Legal Considerations</u>''' <br> For many legal reasons, people are not allowed to poison then legally bury other people alive, nor are people allowed to rob another person's grave. <br> When we hear about the grim and bloody punishments Vlad- The Impaler inflicted on grave robbers and other lawless thieves, we may start to wonder, why create vampires? <br> <br> It is rumored that Vlad - The Impaler, Prince of Wallachia (a region now known as southern Romania), ran spikey poles through his enemies during the middle of the 14th century. Vlad may have impaled hundreds, worse, many of the impaled were left outside his city on display as a warning to scare off invaders and robbers, including grave robbers! Many folk stories about the Prince of Wallachia circulate where folk stories are written and read. <br> <br> When vampire folklore is reviewed, we learn about History, and about people from other cultures, many who struggled with, and for their humanity. We learn of the methods (sometimes bloody) people used to solve problems, and we may wonder how our society would fairly solve our problems while staying humane. We may also wonder about other folk stories from around the world, such as the zombie-person, the demon-person, or the hungry ghost-person. How does a human get turned into a hungry ghost-person? <br> <br> [[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] ([[User talk:3MMPEYTON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/3MMPEYTON|contribs]]) 15:33, 25 August 2022 (UTC) <br> Sources: <br> [[https://healthpsychologyconsultancy.wordpress.com/2012/07/13/the-energy-vampire-personality-type/|https://healthpsychologyconsultancy.wordpress.com/2012/07/13/the-energy-vampire-personality-type/]] wordpress.com Reviewed: 8/19/2022 <br> [[https://theconversation.com/five-vampire-traits-that-exist-in-the-natural-world-104957|https://theconversation.com/five-vampire-traits-that-exist-in-the-natural-world-104957]] theconversation.com <br> [[https://www.dictionary.com/browse/cuspid|https://www.dictionary.com/browse/cuspid]] www.dictionary.com <br> Thanks [[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] ([[User talk:3MMPEYTON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/3MMPEYTON|contribs]]) 17:03, 19 August 2022 (UTC) == DROPPING MY RACIAL BAGGAGE == <br> MY PERSONAL INFORMATION SEEMS TO BELONG ON MY DISCUSSION PAGE.<br> Dropping My Racial Baggage <br> On my body I have two birthmarks. One is a darker brown than my normally brown body, the other is a yellowish-brown birthmark, lighter than most of my brown body. I always knew my family was blended, we merged and emerged from attractive dark brown and yellowish-brown relatives who could pass as white because of their facial features. Today, I’m sure they could blend with tan Americans, meaning Americans who are a lighter brown in skin complexion and appearance. I always thought my family was most like the family from The Cosby Show, a popular family TV Show. On The Cosby Show, Bill Cosby’s TV father was not embarrassed by the members of his family who came in a range of shades, from dark brown to almost-white. The fact was that families with extended family members felt comfortable, and popular, claiming all the members of their family! This was ideal. Some people wanted to celebrate. The 1980s were diverse and positive times for family Entertainment. As opposed to foreign cultural notions of people checking one of two boxes: black or white, and away from similar subversive cultural norms … black and tan? The composition by Duke Ellington comes to mind… I consider most Americans in a range between dark brown and tan. When people ask me my race, I always say “brown,” because I am a brown woman, or to be technically correct, I am a multi-colored, 4th dimensional woman. Most people do not want to be super-technical (by acknowledging the 4th dimension of space-time), yet people seem to want to live reasonable lives. For example, why can’t the box of 8 colors describe the colors we see when we look at other people? Perhaps crayons’ manufacturers, CRAYOLA, did need to make several flesh colored crayons and market colors that people appear to be, ranging from dark brown to light brown. After watching America’s Top Model, at least 13 seasons, I realized that most people can see beyond the simple “black” or “white” description, yet there are people who will describe a brown, or a tan person as either “black” or “white.” Humans calling people “black” or “white” use to mildly bother me, I remember when I roomed with a Jewish person, (a student who ate pepperoni pizza with few problems), a young woman who re-named me “black” every time I spoke with her, I remember feeling puzzled, then resentful. My third-grade Teacher never labeled me black, the other African-Americans in my High School never left me with the “black” label, nor did a few Native Americans who were called “Asian-Americans,” (…about Native-Americans, I mean we know where America is, but where is Asia?) therefore I was really puzzled. During my “identity growth” years, when I considered the words other people used to label “me,” I was grouped with other teenagers, later, mis-leading college students and other young adults whose mis-labeling of others was either a shameful oversight or ironic (the irony based on previous unexamined cultural biases Americans had failed to question). What is ironic about public expressions of race is the fact that our notions about race are influenced by our culture. For example, in High School, I remember my excitement about the field of Science, a high point after I had read a TIME magazine article that reported Scientist who could trace DNA via. The mitochondrial organelles. What I remember from my Cell Biology books are that the mitochondria are the “power house” of the cell. The article suggested that we could trace our ancestors DNA not just from DNA found in the nucleus, but also through analyzing unique DNA found in the mitochondria. This information made news, in fact, the cover of that TIME magazine was a arty image with a updated image of Adam and Eve. I assume the updated image was to announce the new Science developing to help find our ancestors and discovering our relatives. I remember that I stood in front of my Science class with a issue of TIME magazine in my hand, and I asked the class if they knew “black” people were in the garden of Eden. The arty image on the cover of TIME actually showed people who looked like African-Americans, people with brownish-tan skin, and mid-length curly hair. People in America who looked like the image on the TIME magazine cover were / are called “black” in America. As I gain a greater appreciation for the Arts, especially after I took a few Art appreciation classes, I realize that forcing a racial classification was rude, by asking if the class knew that black people were in the garden of Eden, I exposed my mis-education. It is the ironic mis-education I remember I attached to the arty TIME magazine cover. In my early weeks on my college campus, I would brag about my chosen field: Genetics. Because there was no major in Genetics, I had to settle for a Biology or a Chemistry major. I could take extra classes that focused on Genetics. Other Science students were also interested in Genetics and seemed the types who would follow me into Genetic fields where we would, hopefully, find jobs in Genetics, where we would one day help to cure genetic disorders. That was my teenage dream for my future career. Turns out, reality is less ideal. Although I did find meaningful work later, in a laboratory that studied animal genetics, I basically learned how to use modern Science equipment [a giant lesson needed if Science is to improve our understandings…]. Science equipment is complex, and often, a lack of a good understanding of Science and Technology left Science students with puzzling results… I also worked at a Hospital, and I proudly held a healthy and alert white baby boy whose parents were probably immigrants from China. Technically, I have held white children, and I technically believe that they are a minority, and like other children, small white children should always be protected by adults and by our government. Finally, I use to converse with other students about my hair, or about my complexion [my hair and skin does lighten and darken with sunlight exposure]. Few students believed I needed to allow my hair to be natural, to see the two different hair types (one tight and curly, like a spiral, the other less tight, more wavey), or that my time spent without make-up (concealer) was necessary, yet my time spent without make-up allowed my brown complexion to emerge (in its range of brownness). By studying my genotypic expression, my biological inheritance, my outer surface appeared. I studied myself as I truly would appear without cosmetics, concealers, and hair-straighteners. I did not burn my bra (I did have limits), yet freeing oneself of “surface enhancers” allowed me to feel confident in who I truly was: a healthier, brown woman with black curly hair. I suppose I found myself? Nonsense, how could I ever lose me? I allowed my natural surface appearance to emerge, at least for a brief time in my life. Were college students who were once interested in Genetics as a career path impressed? Probably not. For unknown reasons, the ‘natural’ black chick, or the brown wannabe white-Hippy stereotype seemed to follow me. After exposure to radiation [a safe level] while working in a research laboratory, I did follow a popular “back-to-nature” path where I preferred natural products to “overprocessed” or processes products. My non-racist friends, many blond with sun-kissed brown skin, were typical “white Hippies,” yet I didn’t have to be a wannabe white-Hippy to be a non-racist woman who supported nature, was a Environmentalist, and a supporter of better opportunities for all Americans, regardless of their color, religion or gender! When I went online to share my learnings, gleaned from my factual college experiences, I was treated like a poor black child who couldn’t understand racist online… What? I could look up the definition for racism. [Racism (n): prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized]. As I understand the concept, racism is a flawed ideology that simplifies reality, forcing complex humans into limited conceptual categories. I was always against individual racist, preferring my own understanding of the situation from Dr. Martin Luther King’s point-of view, as I remember his message, we should judge a man based on his character [his deeds] and not on the color of his skin. To better fight against racism, I got help from Christians. In general, Christians believe that God has a plan for all of humanity. Many Christians believe that all people are the children of God. In the presence of active Christians on campus, I met actual black people, people with dark brown skin that could be mistook for the color black in bright sunlight. Near “black” people, I felt the color brown, there was no other way to describe my skin’s appearance. I was a brown human, which is what I had been saying since the 3rd grade in my public school! Contact with diversity confirmed my truth. Now that I am a Christian, I do not mentally pick-up racist ideology as being somehow above Christian beliefs and values. I do try to sense a person’s character. Realistically, most people in America struggle to raise their children because it is hard to raise good Christians and good citizens. I am done with dragging around “racial baggage,” I see people and choose religious values to pick-up, humanity to champion. == Dracula behind Vlad - The Impaler == Greetings! <br> I am glad people like Pi zero reminded me against original research, because I do not want to walk a mile in a undead man's shoes. I found most sources online and in public libraries [I do not have a insider perspective, nor do I want to become a special "inspiration" for a vampire-person in another special reader's world].<br> I want to create a new section: Dracula behind Vlad - The Impaler. <br> <br> '''Dracula behind Vlad - The Impaler''' <br> <br> Sometimes Writers will mock their times, or the leaders in their society through parody, or through satire. In some countries Writers have the freedom to mock real men in Politics, or of great military influence who seem, in deed, like real monsters. <br> In History, there are a few real monsters, men who we will remember for their cruelty, or for their massive injustices. This does not appear to be the case with Dracula, a novel character considered "inspired by" Vlad The Impaler. [[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] ([[User talk:3MMPEYTON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/3MMPEYTON|contribs]]) 16:26, 23 August 2022 (UTC) Because of Bram Stoker, a popular Irish Writer, Vlad came to be known as the ''original'' Dracula. It is ironic that the fictional character, Dracula, is well known yet the historic man, Vlad, a Prince from a Romanian royal family, is less known. According to one writer / Historian, "...as he wrote Dracula, he borrowed certain aspects of Vlad's life and wove them in with local folklore from the region." <br> Vlad, a special Prince of Romania, is a difficult subject to research. His Political influence is greatest in Romania, as is his mythic achievements. Vlad seemed to have influenced local folklore before Bram Stoker wrote his novel, '''Dracula''' in 1897. <br> Estimates puts the number of people Vlad is rumored to have killed at around 80,000 people. That seems questionable, it seems unlikely for 1 man to have murdered [directly] a large chunk of the Romanian population. Although it was never rumored by the people who tell, and re-tell folk stories, that Vlad drank blood, he is known as the person behind many bloody impalements and beheadings. <br> According to Wikipedia, "Offences where impalement was occasionally employed included contempt for the state's responsibility for safe roads and trade routes by committing highway robbery or grave robbery, violating state policies or monopolies, or subverting standards for trade. Offenders have also been impaled for a variety of cultural, sexual, and religious reasons." <br> <br> Vlad's father was a ruler of Wallachia, a territory between the Ottoman Empire and Europe, a country whose modern name is now known as Romania (southern). {| class="wikitable" |+ |- ! 5 Facts About Vlad - The Romanian Prince |- | Father: Vlad Dracul |- | Mother: Cneajna |- | Born: 1428 - 1431 |- | Year of Reigns: 1448, 1456 - 1462, 1476 |- | Died: December 1476 - January 1477 |} Source: <br> <u>The World's Most Glorious And Notorious Rulers: The Great And The Terrible And How They Got Their Names"</u> by JoAnne O'Sullivan. Copyright 2020 by JoAnne O'Sullivan. Published by Running Press Kids, an imprint of Perseus Books, LLC. ISBN: 978-0-7624-9661-7 <br> <br> Wikipedia.com [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_the_Impaler]<br> THANKS [[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] ([[User talk:3MMPEYTON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/3MMPEYTON|contribs]]) 17:19, 23 August 2022 (UTC) == Can a kind person help me update (concerning AI)? == Hello. I have not been online to edit Create Vampire in about a year. I noticed new information concerning AI, but I did not have enough time to read and reflect. I am not sure about what Wikibooks will allow concerning AI. I have my original introduction, which I fear may not be neutral enough. I would like to compare my original introduction with the AI rewrite of Vampires of the Imagination. Introduction: Vampires of the Imagination: Although vampires are creatures of folklore, monsters from the afterlife that are sometimes called the "un-dead," vampires are uniquely different from ghost, those lingering spirits who refuse to die. Although vampires, by definition, are animated corpses, vampires of the imagination must feed on human blood in order to continue their earthly existence. This unique quality makes vampires a popular and original type of fiction, slightly different from other creatures found in folklore. Rewrite with AI: Vampires of the Imagination: In many cultural traditions, vampires are described as beings associated with death or the afterlife. They are often distinguished from ghosts, which are typically understood as disembodied spirits rather than reanimated bodies. Folklore commonly portrays vampires as animated corpses that sustain themselves by consuming the blood or life‑essence of the living. This characteristic has contributed to their development as a distinct category of supernatural figure within literature and popular culture. The idea of a blood‑dependent, corporeal being sets vampires apart from other figures in global folklore, many of which do not require physical sustenance or do not possess a physical form at all. In modern fiction, these traditional concepts have evolved into what may be called “vampires of the imagination”—creative interpretations that draw inspiration from historical beliefs while adapting traits to suit narrative, thematic, or symbolic purposes. These fictional versions vary widely, but they typically retain the core elements associated with vampires in earlier traditions: a connection to death, a physical body, and a form of predatory dependence on the living. Which seems best for Wikibooks? ~~ [[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] ([[User talk:3MMPEYTON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/3MMPEYTON|contribs]]) 11:07, 12 May 2026 (UTC) == New Topics, we can develop == I hope to write a new section. I used Copilot AI to generate new ideas for Create Vampires. Here is an idea I would like to expand: Historical and Cross-Cultural Origins of Vampire Archetypes -Overview of vampire-like beings from other global folklore. - How these traditions shape modern vampire tales. - Build a table comparing characteristics across cultures. I got a list of vampire-like "beings" from AI. I created a new page. Historical And Cross-Cultural Origins of Vampire Archetypes: Asanbosam (Ashanti, Ghana) — A forest‑dwelling creature with iron teeth and hook‑like feet; attacks from trees. Obayifo (West Africa) — A witch‑like being believed to drain life‑energy from children. Adze (Ewe, Togo/Ghana) — A vampiric spirit that can take the form of a firefly and feed on blood or life‑force. European vampire-like beings: Strigoi (Romania) — Restless dead who return to drain vitality or blood from the living. Upir (Slavic regions) — Early Slavic vampire figure; often associated with disease and nocturnal attacks. Nachzehrer (Germany) — A corpse believed to consume its own burial shroud and psychically drain the living. Vrykolakas (Greece) — A reanimated body associated with plague, misfortune, and nocturnal predation. Mullo (Romani) — A dead person who returns to harm or drain the living. Asian vampire-like beings: Jiangshi (China) — A “hopping” reanimated corpse that drains qi (life‑energy). Penanggalan (Malaysia) — A woman whose head detaches with trailing organs; feeds on blood. Manananggal (Philippines) — A being that separates its upper body and preys on humans at night. Rakshasa (India) — A shape‑shifting demon that sometimes consumes flesh or life‑force. Pontianak / Kuntilanak (Indonesia/Malaysia) — A vampiric spirit of a woman who died in childbirth Middle Eastern vampire-like beings: Ghul (Arabian folklore) — A desert‑dwelling creature that consumes flesh and sometimes blood. Alp (Turkic regions) — A nocturnal spirit that causes nightmares and may drain vitality. Estrie (Jewish folklore) — A female vampiric demon that feeds on blood. The American vampire-like beings: Chupacabra (Latin America) — A modern cryptid said to drain blood from livestock. Tlahuelpuchi (Mexico, Tlaxcala) — A shape‑shifting being, often female, believed to feed on blood. Soucouyant (Caribbean) — A woman who sheds her skin and becomes a fireball to feed on blood. Wendigo (Algonquian peoples) — Not a vampire, but a cannibalistic spirit associated with hunger and consumption. Oceanian vampire-like beings: Yara-ma-yha-who (Australia, Aboriginal folklore) — A small red creature that drains blood through suckers on its hands and feet. [[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] ([[User talk:3MMPEYTON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/3MMPEYTON|contribs]]) 12:45, 12 May 2026 (UTC) == Copilot AI Use == On May 12, 2026 <br> I asked Microsoft Copilot (AI) several questions. <br> Q: Hello Copilot. I have a question. What are a few ideas to use on a wikibooks page about vampires? The page is nonfictional. The page is entitled: Create Vampires. <br> Q: Is this tone neutral? "Vampires of the Imagination" [section] <br> Rewrite the entire "Vampires of the Imagination" section in perfect wikibooks tone.<br> Q: Can you give a list of vampire-like beings in global folklore? <br> Q: How do I cite my source? <br> Build a bibliography for me. <br> Q: How would I introduce the concept: Archetype, and the overview of vampire-like beings in global folklore? <br> Q: Do you know how these traits shaped modern vampire traits? <br> Create a table showing which cultures contributed which traits. <br> Q: Can you please analyze The Vampire by Kipling? <br> Q: Can you help me with literary and media analysis, tropes and how they evolved? <br> Q: Can you give me examples of literary pitfalls? <br> Analyze examples from literature or media that fall into or avoid these pitfalls. <br> Q: Where [were] there any Authors who originated vampire tropes? <br> Q: How do I reference vampire literary pitfalls and how to avoid them? <br> Q: Can you cite your sources for the vampire literary pitfalls and how to avoid them section? <br> <br> End of questions concerning Create Vampires. <br> I ask, did I document each instance of using AI correctly? [[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] ([[User talk:3MMPEYTON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/3MMPEYTON|contribs]]) 08:03, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] to clarify, have you been using generative AI for all your contributions at Wikibooks? —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 16:50, 15 May 2026 (UTC) ::No. I have created many pages before May 12th, 2026, without assistance from AI. ::I have listed the prompts I used when interacting with Copilot, in order to brainstorm for new ideas. ::Copilot extended my original ideas for the books pages. [[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] ([[User talk:3MMPEYTON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/3MMPEYTON|contribs]]) 17:29, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::@[[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] Got it. Please note that [[Wikibooks:Artificial intelligence|Wikibooks policy]] expressly prohibits the use of generative AI to {{tq|"generate or summarize material and ideas at Wikibooks"}}, so this content you added after May 12 may need to be deleted. Let me know if you have any questions about this! —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 02:07, 20 May 2026 (UTC) == Now What? Thanks for reading, and commenting! == How do I un-learn the factual information Copilot (AI) gave me? Most of the information he listed, I found on Wikipedia, I then edited and summarized the information. Copilot provided a list that was specific, allowing me to easily access information on Wikipedia. How can I continue to use Wikipedia as a source, after having used Copilot? I also rewrote most of the information Copilot introduced. I treated Copilot like a resource, similar to Wikipedia, I was careful to re-write each line. I also used Copilot to give me a list of Authors who influenced the vampire genre. This list had names of writers I had not read yet. How do I move around this list of famous Authors? They are a kind of "core" group of Authors. [[User:3MMPEYTON|3MMPEYTON]] ([[User talk:3MMPEYTON|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/3MMPEYTON|contribs]]) 18:57, 22 May 2026 (UTC) == What About Search Engines? == Can I use Google's search engine to answer a few questions I had already asked Microsoft Copilot? I know that Google's search engine sometimes uses its AI to answer questions. Is this permitted? 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The sounds of the consonants in an abstract sense are '''''phonemes''''', while the symbols used to represent these sounds in writing are '''''graphemes'''''. == Consonant graphemes and phonemes == : The following chart shows the correspondence of the consonant graphemes and their phonemic values represented in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA): {| class="IPA wikitable" style="text-align:center" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:1.6em; font-size:smaller" |+ Correspondence of Consonant Graphemes and Phonemes |- !row=1| Grapheme | '''b''' || '''c''' || '''d''' || '''f''' || '''g''' || '''h''' || '''j''' || '''k''' || '''l''' || '''m''' || '''n''' || '''p''' || '''q''' || '''r''' || '''s''' || '''t''' || '''v''' || '''x''' || '''z''' |- !row=1| Phoneme | /b/ || /t͡ʃ/ || /d/ || /f/ || /g/ || /h/ || /ʒ/ || /k/ || /l/ || /m/ || /n/ || /p/ || /k/ || /ɽ/ || /s/ || /t/ || /v/ || /ʃ/ || /z/ |} == Pronunciation of Consonants == : The following chart shows the Mirad consonants with their phonemic values in the IPA: {| class="IPA wikitable" style="text-align:center" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:1.6em; font-size:smaller" |+ Consonants |- ! !! !! '''Labial''' !! '''Alveolar''' !! '''Palatal''' !! '''Velar''' !! '''Glottal''' |- ! rowspan="1" | '''Nasal''' ! <small>'''voiced'''</small> | '''/m/''' || '''/n/''' || || || |- ! rowspan="2" | '''Plosive''' ! <small>'''voiced'''</small> | '''/b/''' || '''/d/''' || || '''/g/''' || |- ! <small>'''unvoiced'''</small> | '''/p/''' || '''/t/''' || || '''/k/''' || |- ! rowspan="2" | '''Affricate''' ! <small>'''voiced'''</small> | || || || || |- ! <small>'''unvoiced'''</small> | || || '''/t͡ʃ/''' || || |- ! rowspan="2" | '''Fricative''' ! <small>'''voiced'''</small> | '''/v/''' || '''/z/''' || '''/ʒ/''' || || |- ! <small>'''unvoiced'''</small> | '''/f/''' || '''/s/''' || '''/ʃ/''' || || '''/h/''' |- ! rowspan="1" | '''Approximant''' ! <small>'''voiced'''</small> | || '''/l/''' || || || |- ! rowspan="1" | '''Flap''' ! <small>'''voiced'''</small> | || '''/ɽ/''' || || || |} : The phonemes /'''r'''/ and /'''l'''/ are '''''consonant liquids''''' and behave in a special way in forming words in Mirad. : In Mirad, every consonant has a one-to-one correspondence with a single phoneme (ideal sound). Mirad does not use digraphs like ''sh'' or ''ph'' to represent consonant sounds. There are no double consonants, although sometimes a consonant will come together with the same consonant in the same word, but not the same syllable. There are no silent consonants, although the letter '''h''' is silent at the end of a word but causes the stress to move to the final syllable. It is used in that way only in borrowed, non-native Mirad words. Also, there are no letters in "native" Mirad with diacritical marks like '''&eacute;''' or '''&ntilde;'''. : Here are the letters that are pronounced somewhat differently from English: :* The letter '''x''' is pronounced like an ''sh'' in English, or a ''ch'' in French. :* In native Mirad words, '''h''' is pronounced like the ''h'' in English ''hand''. It is sometimes used to simulate foreign sounds like the ''ch'' in Yiddish '''la<u>ch</u>ayim''' (''to life!''), or German '''Ba<u>ch</u>'''. If '''h''' comes at the end of a word, it is silent, but, being a consonant, it can serve to move the stress to the word-final syllable, as in '''Allah''', pronounced '''al-LA'''. :* The letter '''j''' is pronounced like the ''zh'' in Russian ''<u>Zh</u>ivago'' or the ''ge'' in English ''mira<u>ge</u>''. :* The letter '''s''' is always unvoiced as English ''ss'' and never sounds like a '''z'''. :* The letter '''g''' is always a hard sound as in English ''<u>g</u>ap'', not as in English ''wa<u>g</u>e''. :* The letter '''c''' represents the unvoiced affricative sound '''t͡ʃ''' like the ''ch'' in English ''<u>ch</u>ur<u>ch</u>''. Some chemical names and metric units use the letter '''c''', such as '''calilk''' (''chlorine''). The the '''c''' is found in a foreign borrowing unchanged in its spelling, then it is pronounced as it would be in that foreign word. :* The unvoiced plosives '''p''', '''t''', and '''k''' are pronounced without the puff of breath that sometimes follows them in their English counterparts. The corresponding consonants in French are exact equivalents. :* The consonant '''r''' should be a flap or trill like the ''r'' in Brit. Eng. ''ve<u>r</u>y'' or the single, intervocalic ''r'' in Spanish ''pe<u>r</u>o''. :* The consonant '''q''' is usually pronounced as a '''k''', but in foreign borrowings or proper names, it may be pronounced according to context. :* The consonants in the Mirad alphabet correspond one-to-one with phonemes. There are no cases of consonant sounds being represented in native words by digraphs as in English ''ph'', ''sh'', ''ch'', or ''th''. For example, the ''sh'' sound in English is represented by '''x''' in Mirad. The English ''ch'' sound is represented in Mirad with the letter '''c'''. There are no equivalents in Mirad for the English sounds ''th'' in ''this'' or the ''th'' in ''think'', but the combination '''th''' in foreign borrowings is pronounced as it is in the source language. : Here is a chart showing the phonetic values of Mirad consonants: {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size: smaller; margin-left:3.2em " |+ Consonants |- ! Mirad Consonant/<br>Semi-Consonant<br>Grapheme !! IPA !! Articulation !! Nearest Equivalents |- | '''b''' || [b] || unaspirated voiced bilabial plosive || French ''<u>b</u>on'', English ''<u>b</u>oy'' |- | '''c''' || [tʃ] || unvoiced palato-alveolar affricate || English ''<u>ch</u>ild'', Spanish ''<u>ch</u>ico'' |- | '''d''' || [d] || unaspirated voiced alveolar plosive || French ''<u>d</u>e'', English ''<u>d</u>og'' |- | '''f''' || [f] || unvoiced labio-dental fricative || English ''<u>f</u>og'' |- | '''g''' || [g] || unaspirated voiced velar plosive || French ''<u>g</u>are'', English ''<u>g</u>ood'' (always hard, even before ''e'' and ''i''). |- | '''h''' || [h]<br>[x] || glottal fricative || English ''<u>h</u>ouse''<br>(used in some foreign words and names as a ''kh''-like sound like German ''Ba<u>ch</u>''. Not pronounced at the end of foreign borrowings like ''Allah'' or ''Arkansah''. |- | '''j''' || [ʒ] || voiced palatal fricative || French ''<u>j</u>e'' or English ''mira<u>g</u>e''. |- | '''k''' || [k] || unaspirated unvoiced velar fricative || French ''<u>c</u>arte'', English ''s<u>k</u>ip'' (without aspiration). |- | '''l''' || [l] || voiced post-alveolar lateral approximant || English ''<u>l</u>ove'' or French ''be<u>l</u>'' (never a dark '''l''' as in English ''be<u>ll</u>''. |- | '''m''' || [m] || voiced bilabial nasal || English ''<u>m</u>other''. |- | '''n''' || [n]<br>[ŋ] || voiced alveolar nasal ||English ''<u>n</u>obody''<br>Before ''g'' or ''k'', like English ''fa<u>n</u>g''. |- | '''p''' || [p] || unvoiced bilabial plosive || French ''<u>p</u>ain'', English ''s<u>p</u>an'' (without aspiration). |- | '''q''' || - || - || (Only used in foreign words, or some chemical names, where it pronounced ''k'' in Mirad). |- | '''r''' || [r] || alveolar flap || Spanish ''mi<u>r</u>a'' or Italian ''<u>R</u>oma'' or British Eng. '''ve<u>r</u>y''. |- | '''s''' || [s] || unvoiced alveolar fricative || Always hard as in English ''<u>s</u>afe'' (never a ''z'' sound as in ''rose''). |- | '''t''' || [t] || unaspirated unvoiced alveolar plosive || French ''<u>t</u>ous'', English ''s<u>t</u>op'' (without aspiration). |- | '''v''' || [v] || voiced labial-dental fricative || English ''<u>v</u>ery''. Spanish and German speakers need to beware: this is not a bilabial consonant, nor is it an ''f'' sound. |- | '''x''' || [ʃ] || unvoiced post-alveolar fricative || English ''<u>sh</u>ape'' or French ''<u>ch</u>er'' |- | '''z''' || /z/ || voiced alveolar fricative || English ''<u>z</u>one''. German speakers, beware. Mirad '''z''' is pronounced like a German '''s''', as in '''<u>s</u>ehr''', not like '''z''' as in '''zehn''', which sounds more like ''ts''. |} : Note that the sounds '''y''' and '''w''' are not included in the section on consonants, because they are glides, that is, they act as boundaries of the vowel nucleus of a syllable, but not the vowel nucleus itself. They are sometimes called semivowels or approximants, but in the present description of Mirad, they are treated in the following section on vowels. = Vowels = : Mirad vowels are divided into simple and glided vowels. The simple vowels are single letters, while the glided vowels have one or more semi-vowel glides ('''y''' or '''w''') prefixed or suffixed. A '''y''' colors a vowel palatally, while a '''w''' colors a vowel labio-velarly. === Simple Vowels === The Mirad graphemes (alphabetic letters) used to represent the simple vowel phonemes (minimal meaningful sounds) are as follows: {| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller; margin-left:3.2em" |+ Vowel Graphemes and Phonemes |- ! Grapheme !! '''a''' !! '''e''' !! '''i''' !! '''o''' !! '''u''' |- !row=1| Phoneme | '''/a/''' || '''/e/''' || '''/i/''' || '''/o/''' || '''/u/''' |} === Pronunciation of Simple Vowels === : The vowel sounds depend on where they are produced in the mouth and whether the lips are rounded or not. {| class="wikitable" style="text-align:center" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller; margin-left:3.2em" |+ Articulation of Simple Vowels |- ! || colspan="2" | Front || colspan="2"| Back |- class=small ! || colspan="3" | Unrounded || Rounded |- align=center ! High | colspan="2"| '''i''' || || '''u''' |- align=center ! Mid | colspan="2"| '''e''' || || '''o''' |- align=center ! Low | colspan="2"| || '''&#x0251;''' || |} :The simple vowels are pronounced as they are in many European Latin-based languages. The table below gives their phonetic values and some close examples in Spanish and French, and not-so-close examples in English. {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; margin-left:3.2em; font-size:smaller;" |+ Simple Vowels |- ! Vowel !! IPA¹ !! Spanish !! French !! English<br>Approximation |- | '''a''' || [''a''] || m<u>a</u>no || <u>à</u><br>[[File:fr-à.ogg]] || ''f<u>a</u>ther'' |- | '''e''' || [''e''] || h<u>e</u>cho || <u>et</u><br>[[File:fr-et.ogg]] || ''d<u>ay</u>'' ² |- | '''i''' || [''i''] || s<u>i</u> || s<u>i</u><br>[[File:fr-si.ogg]] || ''s<u>ee</u>''² |- | '''o''' || [''o''] || n<u>o</u> || de l'<u>eau</u><br>[[File:fr-eau.ogg]] || ''s<u>o</u>''³ |- | '''u''' || [''u''] || t<u>u</u> || <u>ou</u><br>[[File:fr-ou.ogg]] || ''t<u>oo</u>''³ |} : Note that '''i''' and '''e''' have a shorter, more relaxed sound if they are followed by a consonant in the same syllable. The Mirad word '''it''' (''he/she/him/her'') sounds much like ''it'' in English. Similarly, '''e''' in '''mes''' sounds like the short ''e'' in English ''mess''. :<small>Note 1) The International Phonetic Alphabet</small> :<small>Note 2) This sound in English actually ends in palatal glide (''y'' sound) and is not pure as in French or Spanish.</small> :<small>Note 3) This sound in English ends in a velar glide (''w'' sound) and is not pure as in French or Spanish.</small> === Glided Vowels === : Glided vowels are those preceded and/or followed by the semi-vowel glides '''y''' or '''w'''. This chart shows the possible glided vowels, their IPA equivalents, and their approximate pronunciations using English and other languages. {| class="wikitable" style="background:lightyellow; font-size:smaller; margin-left:3.2em" |+ Glided Vowels |- ! Glided Vowels !! IPA¹ !! Pronunciation |- ! colspan=3 | Pre-y-glided Vowels |- | '''ya''' || [ja] || Eng. ''y<u>ach</u>t'', Fr. ''<u>hia</u>cinthe''<br>[[File:en-us-yacht.ogg]] |- | '''ye''' || [je] || Eng. ''<u>ye</u>t'', Fr. ''grill<u>é</u>'' (''grilled'')<br>[[File:fr-grillé.ogg]] |- | '''yi''' || [ji] || Eng. ''<u>yea</u>st''*, Fr. ''bou<u>illi</u>'' |- | '''yo''' || [jo] || Eng. ''<u>yo</u>ke''*, Fr. ma<u>illot</u><br>[[File:fr-maillot.ogg]] |- | '''yu''' || [ju] || Eng. ''<u>you</u>''*, Fr. ''p<u>iou-piou</u>'' |- ! colspan=3 | Pre-w-Glided Vowels |- | '''wa''' || [wa] || Eng. ''w<u>a</u>ter'', Fr. ''g<u>oua</u>che'' (''poster paint'') <br>[[File:en-us-water.ogg]] |- | '''we''' || [we] || Eng. ''w<u>e</u>t'', Fr. ''<u>ouais</u>'' (''yes'') |- | '''wi''' || [wi] || Eng. ''w<u>ee</u>''², Fr. ''<u>oui</u>'' (''yes'')<br>[[File:Fr-oui.ogg]] |- | '''wo''' || [wo] || Eng. ''w<u>o</u>ke''² |- | '''wu''' || [wu] || Eng. ''w<u>oo</u>''² |- ! colspan=3 | Post-y-Glided Vowels |- | '''ay''' || [aɪ] || Eng. ''s<u>igh</u>t'', Sp. ''h<u>ay</u>'' (''there is'')<br>[[File:en-us-I.ogg]] |- | '''ey''' || [eɪ] || Eng. ''d<u>ay</u>'', Sp. ''r<u>ey</u>'' (''king'')<br>[[File:en-us-day.ogg]] |- | '''iy''' || [iɪ] || Eng. ''s<u>ee</u>'', Fr. ''b<u>ille</u>'' (''marble'')<br>[[File:en-us-see.ogg]] |- | '''oy''' || [oɪ] || Eng. ''b<u>oy</u>'', Sp. ''h<u>oy</u>'' (''today'')<br>[[File:en-us-boy.ogg]] |- | '''uy''' || [uɪ] || Eng. ''g<u>ooey</u>'', Sp. ''m<u>uy</u>'' (''very'')<br>[[File:en-us-gooey.ogg]] |- ! colspan=3 | Post-w-Glided Vowels |- | '''aw''' || [ɔ] || Eng. ''<u>awe</u>''<br>[[File:en-us-awe.ogg]] |- | '''ew''' || [eʊ] || colloq. Eng. ''T<u>ell</u> me!''<br>[[File:en-us-tell.ogg]] |- | '''iw''' || [iʊ] || Eng. ''<u>eew!</u> (sound of disgust)'', Du. ''ni<u>ew</u>''<br>[[File:Nl-nieuw.ogg]] (''new'') |- | '''ow''' || [oʊ] || Eng. ''kn<u>ow</u>'', f<u>oe</u><br>[[File:en-us-know.ogg]] |- | '''uw''' || [uʊ] || Eng. ''g<u>oo</u>''<br>[[File:en-us-goo.ogg]] |- ! colspan=3 | Pre-y-Post-w-Glided Vowels |- | '''yaw''' || [jaʊ] || Eng. ''y<u>a</u>w''<br>[[File:en-us-yaw.ogg]] |- | '''yew''' || [jeʊ] || Eng. ''y<u>e</u>ll'' (very rare) |- | '''yiw''' || [jiʊ] || Eng. ''y<u>ie</u>ld'' (very rare) |- | '''yow''' || [joʊ] || Eng. ''y<u>o</u> bro!'' |- | '''yuw''' || [juʊ] || Eng. ''y<u>ou</u>''<br>[[File:en-us-you.ogg]] |- ! colspan=3 | Circum-y-Glided Vowels |- | '''yay''' || [jaɪ] || Eng. ''y<u>i</u>kes''<br>[[File:en-us-yikes.ogg]] |- | '''yey''' || [jeɪ] || Eng. ''y<u>ea</u>!''<br>[[File:en-us-yay.ogg]] |- | '''yiy''' || [jiɪ] || Eng. ''y<u>ee</u>sh! (sound of disgust)''<br>[[File:en-us-ye.ogg]] |- | '''yoy''' || [joɪ] || Eng. ''y<u>oi</u>nk'' ( ''= New Jyoizy'' )<br> |- | '''yuy''' || [juɪ] || Eng. ''H<u>ughie</u>''<br>[[File:EN-AU_ck1_Hughie.ogg]] |- ! colspan=3 | Pre-w-Post-y-Glided |- | '''way''' || [waɪ] || Eng. ''<u>wi</u>se'', Fr. '''<u>ouailles</u>''' (''flock'')<br>[[File:en-us-wise.ogg]] |- | '''wey''' || [weɪ] || Eng. ''<u>way</u>''<br>[[File:en-us-way.ogg]] |- | '''wiy''' || [wiɪ] || Eng. ''<u>wee</u>!'' (sound of fun)<br>[[File:en-us-we.ogg]] |- | '''woy''' || [woɪ] || Eng. ''<u>woy</u>'' (rhymes with ''boy'') |- | '''wuy''' || [wuɪ] || Eng. ''<u>wooi</u>sh'' (rhymes with ''gooey'') |} : In Mirad, the above glided vowels are considered single vowels for the purposes of grammar, syllabification, and stress. So, a word like '''boy''' (''without'') has one consonant ('''b''') and one vowel '''oy''', a post-glided vowel. The letter '''y''' is not a consonant. Similarly, the word '''yan''' (''together'') is composed of the pre-glided vowel '''ya''' plus the consonant '''n'''. : The combination '''hw''' in Mirad is pronounced exactly as ''wh'' in English. The Mirad word '''hway''' (''bravo'') is pronounced exactly as English '''why?'''. The Mirad word is spelled with one consonant ('''h''') followed by one pre-&post-glided vowel '''way'''. : Note that Mirad currently has no words that end in '''w''' except for the prefix '''gaw-''', which means ''re-'' as in English ''re-do''. Words with final '''w''' may be used to represent proper names of people and places but none exist so far in the current Mirad-English dictionary. When '''w''' appears before a vowel, the '''w''' belongs to the syllable following it. The word for ''one'', '''awa''', is syllabified as '''a-wa''' and is stressed on the first syllable. Except for proper nouns referring to people and places, such as '''Waxington''', there are also no native (non-borrowed) Mirad words that begin with '''w''' except for some masculine pronouns like '''wit''' (''he/him''), the sound of the letter '''w''' ('''wu'''), and the chemical terms '''wulk''' (''tungsten'') and '''wumulk''' ''w boson''). <div style="font-size:smaller"> : Note 1: International Phonetic Alphabet. See chart and click on sounds at [[https://www.internationalphoneticalphabet.org/ipa-sounds/ipa-chart-with-sounds/]]. : Note 2: Without the typical ''y-glide'' at the end of the English vowel. The vowel should be pure, as in the Romance languages of Europe. : Note 3: Without the typical ''w-glide'' at the end of the English vowel. The vowel should be pure, as in the Romance languages of Europe. </div> <noinclude>{{Chapter navigation with TOC|Alphabet|Syllabification}}</noinclude> gog1y9kohtom3nj3j0995ilbjfc7kmx 0 450964 4637143 4604685 2026-05-23T08:12:08Z ~2026-30859-52 3592773 4637143 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Chess Opening Theory/Position|=|Bishop's Opening: Khan Gambit||rd|nd|bd|qd|kd|bd|nd|rd|pd|pd|pd|||pd|pd|pd||||||||||||pd|pd||||||bl||pl||||||||||||pl|pl|pl|pl||pl|pl|pl|rl|nl|bl|ql|kl||nl|rl||}} = Bishop's Opening - Sideline 2... d5?! = == 2...d5?! · Khan Gambit == '''2…d5?!''' is the Khan Gambit. While it may seem to lose a pawn, deeper analysis reveals Black has fair compensation for the pawn, even if it is objectively insufficient. == Theory table == {{Chess Opening Theory/Table}}. '''1. e4 e5 2. Bc4 d5!?''' {| class="wikitable" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" ! ! style="text-align: left" |3 ! style="text-align: left" |4 ! style="text-align: left" |5 ! style="text-align: left" |6 ! style="text-align: left" |7 ! style="text-align: left" | |- ! rowspan="2" |Khan Gambit |exd5 Nf6 |Nc3 Bd6 |d3 O-O |Nf3 h6 |O-O Bg4 | +/ = |- |... c6 |dxc6! Nxc6 |d3! Nf6 |Nf3 Bg4 |c3 Qc7 | +/ = |} {{ChessMid}} == References == {{reflist}} {{Wikipedia|Bishop's Opening}} * [[wikipedia:Garry_Kasparov|Kasparov, Gary]] & [[wikipedia:Raymond_Keene|Keene, Raymond]] (1989, 1994). ''Batsford Chess Openings 2''. {{ISBN|0-8050-3409-9}}. * [[wikipedia:Gary_Lane_(chess_player)|Lane, Gary]] (1993). ''Winning With the Bishop's Opening''. {{ISBN|0-7134-7113-1}}. == External links == {{wikibooks|Chess Opening Theory|Chess Opening Theory/1. e4/1...e5/2. Bc4}} * Goeller, Michael. [https://web.archive.org/web/20120716200219/http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~goeller/urusov/bishops/index.html The Bishop's Opening]. * Harding, Tim (August 1998). [https://archive.today/2013.01.02-042149/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kibitz27.txt The Kibitzer: What Exactly is the Bishop's Opening?]. ''ChessCafe.com''. * Harding, Tim (September 1998). [https://archive.today/2013.01.02-042434/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kibitz28.txt The Kibitzer: The Eternal Appeal Of The Urusov Gambit]. ''ChessCafe.com''. * Harding, Tim (October 1998). [https://archive.today/2006.10.27-175809/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kibitz29.txt The Kibitzer: Is the Urusov Gambit Sound?]. ''ChessCafe.com'' {{Chess_Opening_Theory/Footer}} iiv8mjcnj3uyszq8avsicegrhn82pue 0 450970 4637141 4333134 2026-05-23T08:10:33Z ~2026-30859-52 3592773 4637141 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Chess Opening Theory/Position|=|Bishop's Opening: Sideline 2... Qh4?||rd|nd|bd||kd|bd|nd|rd|pd|pd|pd|pd||pd|pd|pd|||||||||||||pd||||||bl||pl|||qd|||||||||pl|pl|pl|pl||pl|pl|pl|rl|nl|bl|ql|kl||nl|rl||}} = Bishop's Opening - Sideline 2... Qh4? = == 2...Qh4? == '''2…Qh4?''' does not have a variation name. It cannot be considered a serious move because involving the Black Queen so early in the opening violates the most basic principles of opening strategy, such as developing before the knights and the bishops and castling the king to a safe place. By playing '''3. Nc3!''', White achieve a significant advantage developing the minor pieces and also defend the pawn e4 from the naive treatment of the Black attack by the Queen. Losing precious time, Black will soon get inferior and strategically lost. == Theory table == {{Chess Opening Theory/Table}}. '''1. e4 e5 2. Bc4 Qh4?''' {| class="wikitable" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" ! ! style="text-align: left" |3 ! style="text-align: left" |4 ! style="text-align: left" |5 ! style="text-align: left" |6 ! style="text-align: left" |7 ! style="text-align: left" |8 ! style="text-align: left" |9 ! style="text-align: left" |10 ! style="text-align: left" |11 ! style="text-align: left" | |- ! rowspan="4" |Sideline 2... Qh4? |Nc3! Nf6 |Nf3 Qh5 |d4 exd4 |Nb5 Bb4+ |c3 dxc3 |O-O cxb2 |Bxb2 Na6 |e5 Ng4 |Qd4 |± |- |... Bc5 |Qe2 d6 |Nf3 Qd8 |Na4 Bb6 |Nxb6 axb6 |d4 | | | |± |} {{ChessMid}} == References == {{reflist}} {{Wikipedia|Bishop's Opening}} '''Bibliography''' * [[wikipedia:Garry_Kasparov|Kasparov, Gary]] & [[wikipedia:Raymond_Keene|Keene, Raymond]] (1989, 1994). ''Batsford Chess Openings 2''. {{ISBN|0-8050-3409-9}}. * [[wikipedia:Gary_Lane_(chess_player)|Lane, Gary]] (1993). ''Winning With the Bishop's Opening''. {{ISBN|0-7134-7113-1}}. '''External links''' {{wikibooks|Chess Opening Theory|Chess Opening Theory/1. e4/1...e5/2. Bc4}} * Goeller, Michael. [https://web.archive.org/web/20120716200219/http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~goeller/urusov/bishops/index.html The Bishop's Opening]. * Harding, Tim (August 1998). [https://archive.today/2013.01.02-042149/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kibitz27.txt The Kibitzer: What Exactly is the Bishop's Opening?]. ''ChessCafe.com''. * Harding, Tim (September 1998). [https://archive.today/2013.01.02-042434/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kibitz28.txt The Kibitzer: The Eternal Appeal Of The Urusov Gambit]. ''ChessCafe.com''. * Harding, Tim (October 1998). [https://archive.today/2006.10.27-175809/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kibitz29.txt The Kibitzer: Is the Urusov Gambit Sound?]. ''ChessCafe.com'' {{Chess_Opening_Theory/Footer}} kac3k3bkia8qhp7sj0tk257m73ulujo 4637164 4637141 2026-05-23T10:31:14Z JCrue 2226064 updated, sideline. 4637164 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Chess Opening Theory/Position |name=Bishop's opening |eco=[[Chess/ECOC|C23]] |parent=[[../|Bishop's opening]] }} == 2...Qh4? == {{Chess/sideline}} Black attempts to play for an immediate mating attack. Essentially they are playing the Parham attack or "wayward queen" attack with colours reversed. The immediate threat is ...Qxe4+, so White should defend their e-pawn with '''3. Nc3'''. Then, Black may try 3...Bc5, bringing another attacker to f2 and hoping White will blunder and allow ...Qxf2#. 4. g2 prevents the queen from seeing f2, and after 4...Qf6, White plays 5. Nf3 to defend the f2-pawn again. After all this, what has Black to show for it? In violation of opening principles, they have spent two moves moving their queen around that could have been spent on developing their minor pieces and castling. White is better. {{ChessMid}} == References == {{reflist}} === See also === {{Wikipedia|Bishop's Opening}} {{Chess_Opening_Theory/Footer}} na4e3kpqgx6sih2fxb3zfvqds63ngo9 4637165 4637164 2026-05-23T10:37:28Z JCrue 2226064 /* 2...Qh4? */ 4637165 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Chess Opening Theory/Position |name=Bishop's opening |eco=[[Chess/ECOC|C23]] |parent=[[../|Bishop's opening]] }} == 2...Qh4? == {{Chess/sideline}} Black attempts to play for an immediate mating attack. Essentially they are playing the Parham attack or "wayward queen" attack with colours reversed. The immediate threat is ...Qxe4+, so White should defend their e-pawn with '''3. Nc3'''. Then, Black may try 3...Bc5, bringing another attacker to f2 and hoping White will blunder and allow ...Qxf2#. 4. g2 prevents the queen from seeing f2, and after 4...Qf6, White plays 5. Nf3 to defend the f2-pawn again. After all this, what has Black to show for it? In violation of opening principles, they have spent two moves moving their queen around that could have been spent on developing their minor pieces and castling. White is better. White may try for their own "scholar's mate" with '''3. Qf3!?''', which also defends e4, but Black can parry this just as easily with 3...Nf6. White has allowed Black to "get away" with violating opening principles, and still has to develop their minor pieces having taken away the f3 square from their knight. {{ChessMid}} == References == {{reflist}} === See also === {{Wikipedia|Bishop's Opening}} {{Chess_Opening_Theory/Footer}} 0egcdcq86mtpdg162rvp2fhuhmfwhlz 0 451284 4637142 4333133 2026-05-23T08:11:09Z ~2026-30859-52 3592773 4637142 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Chess Opening Theory/Position|=|Bishop's Opening: Sideline 2... Qe7?||rd|nd|bd||kd|bd|nd|rd|pd|pd|pd|pd|qd|pd|pd|pd|||||||||||||pd||||||bl||pl||||||||||||pl|pl|pl|pl||pl|pl|pl|rl|nl|bl|ql|kl||nl|rl||}} = Bishop's Opening - Sideline 2... Qe7? = == 2...Qe7? == '''2…Qe7?''' is another queen move without a variation name, and it contradicts the most basic principles in the opening because the Queen in e7 rules out playing Be7. The move '''2... Qe7?''' is a waste of time that congests the Black's position and allows White to get development space. White will achieve development advantage with the simple development move '''3. Nf3'''. == Theory table == {{Chess Opening Theory/Table}}. '''1. e4 e5 2. Bc4 Qe7?''' {| class="wikitable" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="6" ! ! style="text-align: left" |3 ! style="text-align: left" |4 ! style="text-align: left" |5 ! style="text-align: left" |6 ! style="text-align: left" |7 ! style="text-align: left" |8 ! style="text-align: left" |9 ! style="text-align: left" |10 ! style="text-align: left" |11 ! style="text-align: left" |12 ! style="text-align: left" |13 ! style="text-align: left" |14 ! style="text-align: left" |15 ! style="text-align: left" |16 ! style="text-align: left" |17 ! style="text-align: left" | |- ! rowspan="10" |Sideline 2... Qe7? |Nf3 Nf6 |O-O Nxe4? |Re1! | | | | | | | | | | | | | +− |- |... ... |... Nc6 |Nc3 d6 |h3 Be6 |Nd5!? Nxd5?? |exd5 | | | | | | | | | | +− |- |... ... |... ... |... ... |... ... |... Qd7 |Re1 Na5 |Nxf6+ gxf6 |Bxe6 Qxe6 |d4 | | | | | | |± |- |... ... |... ... |... ... |... ... |... ... |... ... |Nxf6+ gxf6 |Bxe6 fxe6 |b4 Nc6 |b5 Na5?! |d4! | | | | |± |- |... ... |... ... |... ... |... ... |... ... |... ... |... ... |... ... |... ... |... Ne7 |c4 Rg8 |d4 exd4 |Nxd4 O-O-O |Kh2 e5 |Nf3 |± |- |... ... |... ... |... ... |... ... |Bb3(!) Bxb3 |axb3 Qd7 |d4 a6 |Re1 | | | | | | | |± |- |... d6 |d4 Be6 |d5 Bd7 |a4 g6 |Nc3 | | | | | | | | | | |± |- |... ... |... ... |... Bc8 |h3 | | | | | | | | | | | |± |- |... ... |... ... |... Bg4 |h3 Bc8 |a4 | | | | | | | | | | |± |- |... ... |... ... |... ... |... Bxf3 |Qxf3 Nd7 |g4 | | | | | | | | | |± |} {{ChessMid}} == References == {{reflist}} {{Wikipedia|Bishop's Opening}} '''Bibliography''' * [[wikipedia:Garry_Kasparov|Kasparov, Gary]] & [[wikipedia:Raymond_Keene|Keene, Raymond]] (1989, 1994). ''Batsford Chess Openings 2''. {{ISBN|0-8050-3409-9}}. * [[wikipedia:Gary_Lane_(chess_player)|Lane, Gary]] (1993). ''Winning With the Bishop's Opening''. {{ISBN|0-7134-7113-1}}. '''External links''' {{wikibooks|Chess Opening Theory|Chess Opening Theory/1. e4/1...e5/2. Bc4}} * Harding, Tim (August 1998). [https://archive.today/2013.01.02-042149/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kibitz27.txt The Kibitzer: What Exactly is the Bishop's Opening?]. ''ChessCafe.com''. * Harding, Tim (September 1998). [https://archive.today/2013.01.02-042434/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kibitz28.txt The Kibitzer: The Eternal Appeal Of The Urusov Gambit]. ''ChessCafe.com''. * Harding, Tim (October 1998). [https://archive.today/2006.10.27-175809/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kibitz29.txt The Kibitzer: Is the Urusov Gambit Sound?]. ''ChessCafe.com'' {{Chess_Opening_Theory/Footer}} 6n92cii57684dwxo0az09kr3ogc7x20 4637167 4637142 2026-05-23T10:42:22Z JCrue 2226064 request deletion 4637167 wikitext text/x-wiki {{delete|Not opening theory, see talk}} {{Chess Opening Theory/Position|=|Bishop's Opening: Sideline 2... Qe7?||rd|nd|bd||kd|bd|nd|rd|pd|pd|pd|pd|qd|pd|pd|pd|||||||||||||pd||||||bl||pl||||||||||||pl|pl|pl|pl||pl|pl|pl|rl|nl|bl|ql|kl||nl|rl||}} = Bishop's Opening - Sideline 2... Qe7? = == 2...Qe7? == '''2…Qe7?''' is another queen move without a variation name, and it contradicts the most basic principles in the opening because the Queen in e7 rules out playing Be7. The move '''2... Qe7?''' is a waste of time that congests the Black's position and allows White to get development space. White will achieve development advantage with the simple development move '''3. Nf3'''. == Theory table == {{Chess Opening Theory/Table}}. '''1. e4 e5 2. Bc4 Qe7?''' {| class="wikitable" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="6" ! ! style="text-align: left" |3 ! style="text-align: left" |4 ! style="text-align: left" |5 ! style="text-align: left" |6 ! style="text-align: left" |7 ! style="text-align: left" |8 ! style="text-align: left" |9 ! style="text-align: left" |10 ! style="text-align: left" |11 ! style="text-align: left" |12 ! style="text-align: left" |13 ! style="text-align: left" |14 ! style="text-align: left" |15 ! style="text-align: left" |16 ! style="text-align: left" |17 ! style="text-align: left" | |- ! rowspan="10" |Sideline 2... Qe7? |Nf3 Nf6 |O-O Nxe4? |Re1! | | | | | | | | | | | | | +− |- |... ... |... Nc6 |Nc3 d6 |h3 Be6 |Nd5!? Nxd5?? |exd5 | | | | | | | | | | +− |- |... ... |... ... |... ... |... ... |... Qd7 |Re1 Na5 |Nxf6+ gxf6 |Bxe6 Qxe6 |d4 | | | | | | |± |- |... ... |... ... |... ... |... ... |... ... |... ... |Nxf6+ gxf6 |Bxe6 fxe6 |b4 Nc6 |b5 Na5?! |d4! | | | | |± |- |... ... |... ... |... ... |... ... |... ... |... ... |... ... |... ... |... ... |... Ne7 |c4 Rg8 |d4 exd4 |Nxd4 O-O-O |Kh2 e5 |Nf3 |± |- |... ... |... ... |... ... |... ... |Bb3(!) Bxb3 |axb3 Qd7 |d4 a6 |Re1 | | | | | | | |± |- |... d6 |d4 Be6 |d5 Bd7 |a4 g6 |Nc3 | | | | | | | | | | |± |- |... ... |... ... |... Bc8 |h3 | | | | | | | | | | | |± |- |... ... |... ... |... Bg4 |h3 Bc8 |a4 | | | | | | | | | | |± |- |... ... |... ... |... ... |... Bxf3 |Qxf3 Nd7 |g4 | | | | | | | | | |± |} {{ChessMid}} == References == {{reflist}} {{Wikipedia|Bishop's Opening}} '''Bibliography''' * [[wikipedia:Garry_Kasparov|Kasparov, Gary]] & [[wikipedia:Raymond_Keene|Keene, Raymond]] (1989, 1994). ''Batsford Chess Openings 2''. {{ISBN|0-8050-3409-9}}. * [[wikipedia:Gary_Lane_(chess_player)|Lane, Gary]] (1993). ''Winning With the Bishop's Opening''. {{ISBN|0-7134-7113-1}}. '''External links''' {{wikibooks|Chess Opening Theory|Chess Opening Theory/1. e4/1...e5/2. Bc4}} * Harding, Tim (August 1998). [https://archive.today/2013.01.02-042149/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kibitz27.txt The Kibitzer: What Exactly is the Bishop's Opening?]. ''ChessCafe.com''. * Harding, Tim (September 1998). [https://archive.today/2013.01.02-042434/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kibitz28.txt The Kibitzer: The Eternal Appeal Of The Urusov Gambit]. ''ChessCafe.com''. * Harding, Tim (October 1998). [https://archive.today/2006.10.27-175809/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kibitz29.txt The Kibitzer: Is the Urusov Gambit Sound?]. ''ChessCafe.com'' {{Chess_Opening_Theory/Footer}} c6y3fly96dxa2kzoizst6b1p4bklhlg 0 451346 4637144 4333139 2026-05-23T08:12:45Z ~2026-30859-52 3592773 4637144 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Chess Opening Theory/Position|= |Bishop's Opening: Sideline 2... Be7?| |rd|nd|bd|qd|kd| |nd|rd|= |pd|pd|pd|pd|bd|pd|pd|pd|= | | | | | | | | |= | | | | |pd| | | |= | | |bl| |pl| | | |= | | | | | | | | |= |pl|pl|pl|pl| |pl|pl|pl|= |rl|nl|bl|ql|kl| |nl|rl|= || }} = Bishop's Opening - Sideline 2... Be7? = == 2...Be7? == '''2…Be7?''' After '''3. Qh5 with the mate threat,''' White can respond to 3... g6 with 4. Qxe5, winning a pawn. Black can react for a few moves, but White can sort it out with a pawn up. == Theory table == {{Chess Opening Theory/Table}}. '''1. e4 e5 2. Bc4 Be7?''' {| class="wikitable" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" ! ! style="text-align: left" |3 ! style="text-align: left" |4 ! style="text-align: left" |5 ! style="text-align: left" |6 ! style="text-align: left" |7 ! style="text-align: left" |8 ! style="text-align: left" |9 ! style="text-align: left" |10 ! style="text-align: left" |11 ! style="text-align: left" |12 ! style="text-align: left" |13 ! style="text-align: left" | |- ! rowspan="11" |Sideline 2... Be7? |Qh5! g6 |Qxe5 Nf6 |Nc3 Nc6 |Qf4 Bd6 |Qe3 O-O |h3 Bb4 |Nge2 Na5 |d3 Nxc4 |dxc4 | | | ± |- |... ... |... ... |... ... |... ... |... Ng4 |Qe2 Nge5 |Bb3 Nd4 |Qe3 Nxb3 |axb3 | | | ± |- |... ... |... ... |... ... |... ... |... ... |... ... |... ... |... Bc5 |Qg3 Bd6 |f4 Nec6 |Nf3 | ± |- |... ... |... ... |... ... |... ... |... ... |... ... |... ... |... Nec6 |Nf3 | | | ± |- |... ... |... ... |... ... |... ... |... ... |... Nd4 |Qxg4 Nxc2+ |Kd1 Nxa1 |e5 Bxe5 |Qe2 O-O |Qxe5 | ± |- |... ... |... ... |... ... |... ... |... ... |... ... |... ... |... ... |... ... |... f6 |Nf3 | ± |} {{ChessMid}} == References == {{reflist}} '''Bibliography''' {{Wikipedia|Bishop's Opening}} * [[wikipedia:Garry_Kasparov|Kasparov, Gary]] & [[wikipedia:Raymond_Keene|Keene, Raymond]] (1989, 1994). ''Batsford Chess Openings 2''. {{ISBN|0-8050-3409-9}}. * [[wikipedia:Gary_Lane_(chess_player)|Lane, Gary]] (1993). ''Winning With the Bishop's Opening''. {{ISBN|0-7134-7113-1}}. '''External links''' {{{wikibooks|Chess Opening Theory|Chess Opening Theory/1. e4/1...e5/2. Bc4}} * Goeller, Michael. [https://web.archive.org/web/20120716200219/http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~goeller/urusov/bishops/index.html The Bishop's Opening]. * Harding, Tim (August 1998). [https://archive.today/2013.01.02-042149/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kibitz27.txt The Kibitzer: What Exactly is the Bishop's Opening?]. ''ChessCafe.com''. * Harding, Tim (September 1998). [https://archive.today/2013.01.02-042434/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kibitz28.txt The Kibitzer: The Eternal Appeal Of The Urusov Gambit]. ''ChessCafe.com''. * Harding, Tim (October 1998). [https://archive.today/2006.10.27-175809/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kibitz29.txt The Kibitzer: Is the Urusov Gambit Sound?]. ''ChessCafe.com'' {{Chess_Opening_Theory/Footer}} 5ht9o11p1te450bk3o3yn3a6ivik01w 4637169 4637144 2026-05-23T10:54:08Z JCrue 2226064 4637169 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Chess Opening Theory/Position |name=Bishop's opening |eco=[[Chess/ECOC|C23]] |parent=[[../|Bishop's opening]] }} == 2...Be7? == {{Chess/sideline}} Perhaps Black is thinking of transposing into the Hungarian variation of the Italian with '''3. Nf3!?''' Nc6, or a Philidor defence with 3. Nf3 d6. However this move order leaves Black's e-pawn undefended and allows White the tactic '''3. Qh5!'''. Black must respond to the threat of Qxf7#, and can't do that and defend their e-pawn at the same time. 3...g6 4. Qxe5 {{chess/not|++}} wins the pawn. == Theory table == {{Chess Opening Theory/Table}} {{Chess/theory table |links=0 |line1=3. Qh5 g6 4. Qxe5 |eval1={{Chess/not|++}} |line2=3. Nf3!? Nc6 |name2=Italian game, Hungarian variation<br><small>(by transposition)</small> |line3=3. ... d6 |name3=Philidor defence<br><small>(by transposition)</small> }} {{ChessMid}} == References == {{reflist}} ===See also=== {{Wikipedia|Bishop's Opening}} * [[wikipedia:Gary_Lane_(chess_player)|Lane, Gary]] (1993). ''Winning With the Bishop's Opening''. {{ISBN|0-7134-7113-1}}. {{Chess_Opening_Theory/Footer}} g9vfpcr0fgzbrccmcpz9j6n5g3lh10t 0 455709 4637145 4334791 2026-05-23T08:13:14Z ~2026-30859-52 3592773 4637145 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Chess Opening Theory/Position|= |Bishop's Opening: Sideline 2... Ne7?!| |rd|nd|bd|qd|kd|bd| |rd|= |pd|pd|pd|pd|nd|pd|pd|pd|= | | | | | | | | |= | | | | |pd| | | |= | | |bl| |pl| | | |= | | | | | | | | |= |pl|pl|pl|pl| |pl|pl|pl|= |rl|nl|bl|ql|kl| |nl|rl|= || }} = Bishop's Opening - Sideline 2... Ne7 = == 2...Ne7 == The move 2...Ne7 in response to the Bishop's Opening is a less common choice for Black, but it can lead to flexible setups like the Hungarian Defense or transpositions into other openings. Also, it is a passive move to prepare d5 when the classical 2. ..., [[Chess Opening Theory/1. e4/1...e5/2. Bc4/2...Nf6|Nf6]]! accomplishes the same goal placing it in a better developing and natural square. It aims to avoid exchanges with a move like d3. The knight on e7 is also vulnerable to attacks from the f3 knight and/or the c4 bishop and can be a target for a future Bxf7+ sacrifice. === White Central Control and Space: === # Maintain e4 Pawn: White's pawn on e4 remains a central figure in maintaining a spatial advantage and central control. Depending on Black's play, White may opt to support it with d2-d3 or even a timely f2-f4. # Nf3 Development: Developing the knight to f3 not only supports the e5 pawn but also prepares to castle kingside swiftly. # d2-d3 and c2-c3: These pawn moves help support the central pawn structure, allow the bishop on c1 to be developed (often to e3 or g5), and sometimes provide a stepping stone for the d2 pawn to push to d4, striking at the heart of Black's center. === Piece Play and Tactical Ideas: === # Bg5 Pin: Depending on how Black develops, the move Bg5 can be a strong pin against the knight on e7, especially if Black has already moved its d7 pawn. # Central Pawn Break: If Black remains passive or overly defensive, White can consider a central pawn break with d4, challenging Black's central pawn on e5. # King's Safety: White should be quick to castle kingside, connecting the rooks and preparing for central or kingside operations. # Flexible Queen's Knight Development: Depending on the situation, White's queen's knight can develop to c3 or d2, with each square having its benefits. Nc3 supports the e4 pawn, while Nd2 can offer added support for a future d3-d4 push or even prepare to reroute to the kingside via f1 and g3. === Longer-term Plans: === # Kingside Pawn Storm: If Black castles kingside and White's center is secure, a pawn storm with moves like h2-h4 can become a potent weapon, especially if combined with pieces targeting Black's king. # Positional Pressure: The bishop on c4, combined with a knight on f3 and a rook on e1, can exert significant pressure on the f7 pawn, which is often a vulnerable spot in Black's position. # Control of d5: The d5 square is of particular importance. White's bishop on c4 already eyes this square. If Black ever plays ...c6 and ...d5, White should be ready to challenge or, if appropriate, allow a pawn exchange to open lines of play. == Theory table == {{Chess Opening Theory/Table}}. '''1. e4 e5 2. Bc4 Ne7''' {| class="wikitable" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" ! ! style="text-align: left" |3 ! style="text-align: left" |4 ! style="text-align: left" |5 ! style="text-align: left" |6 ! style="text-align: left" |7 ! style="text-align: left" |8 ! style="text-align: left" |9 ! style="text-align: left" |10 ! style="text-align: left" | |- ! rowspan="8" |Sideline 2... Ne7 |Qh5?! d5! |exd5 Nd7! |d3 g6! |Qf3? Nf5 | | | | | ∓ |- |... ... |... ... |... ... |Qe2 | | | | | ⩱ |- |Nf3! Nec6 |c3! Bc5? |d4! ... | | | | | | +− |- |... ... |... Be7 |d4 d6 |d5 Na5 |Bd3 b6 |c4 Bg4 |Nc3 Nb7 |h3 | ± |- |... ... |... ... |... ... |... ... |... ... |b4 Nb7 |a3 a5 |Be3 | ± |- |... Nbc6 |Nc3 Ng6 |h4 Be7 |d3 h6 |Nd5 d6 |h5 Nf8 |d4 | | ± |} {{ChessMid}} == References == {{Wikipedia|Bishop's Opening}} {{reflist}} '''Bibliography''' * [[wikipedia:Garry_Kasparov|Kasparov, Gary]] & [[wikipedia:Raymond_Keene|Keene, Raymond]] (1989, 1994). ''Batsford Chess Openings 2''. {{ISBN|0-8050-3409-9}}. * [[wikipedia:Gary_Lane_(chess_player)|Lane, Gary]] (1993). ''Winning With the Bishop's Opening''. {{ISBN|0-7134-7113-1}}. '''External links''' {{wikibooks|Chess Opening Theory|Chess Opening Theory/1. e4/1...e5/2. Bc4}} * Goeller, Michael. [https://web.archive.org/web/20120716200219/http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~goeller/urusov/bishops/index.html The Bishop's Opening]. * Harding, Tim (August 1998). [https://archive.today/2013.01.02-042149/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kibitz27.txt The Kibitzer: What Exactly is the Bishop's Opening?]. ''ChessCafe.com''. * Harding, Tim (September 1998). [https://archive.today/2013.01.02-042434/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kibitz28.txt The Kibitzer: The Eternal Appeal Of The Urusov Gambit]. ''ChessCafe.com''. * Harding, Tim (October 1998). [https://archive.today/2006.10.27-175809/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kibitz29.txt The Kibitzer: Is the Urusov Gambit Sound?]. ''ChessCafe.com'' {{Chess_Opening_Theory/Footer}} cv5xqm5tae7puy3zygb689pjfhmp7cq 2 457101 4637041 4544553 2026-05-22T16:58:06Z Kittycataclysm 3371989 Kittycataclysm moved page [[Cookbook:Damoda (Groundnut Stew)]] to [[User:Grace789/Damoda (Groundnut Stew)]] without leaving a redirect: user space for bulk-added incomplete recipe 4544553 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Incomplete recipe|reason=missing quantities with insufficient guidance to compensate}}{{Recipe summary | Category = Chicken recipes | Difficulty = 3 | Image = [[File:Peanut stew.jpg|300px]] }} {{Recipe}} '''Damoda''' is a delicious groundnut [[Cookbook:Stew|stew]] cooked with meat, fish, chicken or vegetables. It is popularly eaten in Senegal or the Gambia. == Ingredients == * 1 medium size [[Cookbook:Onion|onion]], finely [[Cookbook:Chopping|chopped]] * 1 medium size bunch of [[Cookbook:Green Onion|spring onions]], neatly chopped * 2 medium size [[Cookbook:Garlic|garlic]] cloves, neatly chopped * Hot [[Cookbook:Chiles|chiles]], neatly chopped * Chicken [[Cookbook:Dehydrated Broth|bouillon cubes]], crushed * [[Cookbook:Salt|Salt]] to taste * 2 cups [[Cookbook:Peanut Butter|peanut butter]] * [[Cookbook:Chicken|Chicken]] * [[Cookbook:Vinegar|Vinegar]] to taste * [[Cookbook:Mustard|Mustard]] powder to taste (optional) * [[Cookbook:Vegetable oil|Vegetable oil]] * [[Cookbook:Vegetable|Vegetables]] such as [[Cookbook:Tomato|tomatoes]], [[Cookbook:Carrot|carrots]], and [[Cookbook:Potatoes|potatoes]] although it is not compulsory to put everything, you can put the ones you could easily get( just make sure to cut it into smaller pieces and if you would prefer pounding there is no issue with that you can go ahead and do it. * 26 [[Cookbook:Ounce|oz]] [[Cookbook:Tomato Paste|tomato paste]] * About 2 [[Cookbook:Cup|cups]] [[Cookbook: Water|water]] == Procedure == # Pound together the onions, spring onions, garlic, chili pepper, bouillon cubes, and salt. # Dilute the peanut butter with enough water to make it smooth and pourable. If desired, [[Cookbook:Straining|strain]] it to remove any debris. # Season the chicken with vinegar and mustard powder. # [[Cookbook:Frying|Fry]] the chicken until browned on both sides, making sure it does not burn. Remove and set aside. # Add the pounded mixture to the pan along with any other vegetables, and fry it. # Mix in the peanut butter, tomato paste, chicken, and water. Let everything [[Cookbook:Simmering|simmer]] until the sauce becomes thick and oil appears on top. # When it is fully done you can remove it and serve with white rice or any complimentary one of your choice. == Notes, tips, and variations == * The method of preparation can vary in the selection of meat and vegetables. [[Category:African recipes]] [[Category:Recipes using chicken]] [[Category:Recipes for stew]] [[Category:Recipes using chile]] [[Category:Recipes using dehydrated broth]] lnha26fsy398qfamen35ovnb6gfeele 1 459106 4637160 4317815 2026-05-23T10:16:58Z JCrue 2226064 deletion 4637160 wikitext text/x-wiki {{ChessProject|importance=|class=}} == Deletion == I'd like to nominate this page for deletion because it is outside the scope of opening theory. At time of writing, 2...c5 is the joint-eighth move in the Lichess Masters database. There is only one game after 2...c5 in the database. Even in the amateur database, it is not in the top twelve continuations. Turn two is very early in the game to be looking at lines that have occurred so seldom. This is an irrational move that isn't very informative to study, and also occurs very very rarely. Rather than try to update or improve this page I think therefore it's better to delete it. --[[User:JCrue|JCrue]] ([[User talk:JCrue|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/JCrue|contribs]]) 10:16, 23 May 2026 (UTC) kuzovfhvd8ksn2b3bp043jh8zbilevi 1 459260 4637166 4317969 2026-05-23T10:41:50Z JCrue 2226064 deletion 4637166 wikitext text/x-wiki {{ChessProject|importance=|class=}} == Deletion== As with [[Talk:Chess Opening Theory/1. e4/1...e5/2. Bc4/2...c5]] this is an irrational move that is also vanishingly uncommon in tournament and amateur play. I don't think this page is salvageable because there's nothing informative to say about this position and it is out of the scope of chess opening theory. --[[User:JCrue|JCrue]] ([[User talk:JCrue|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/JCrue|contribs]]) 10:41, 23 May 2026 (UTC) ac31aydkkzh4kb88gzna63n6qdfchyc 0 462378 4637146 4334833 2026-05-23T08:13:58Z ~2026-30859-52 3592773 4637146 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Chess Opening Theory/Position|= |Bishop's Opening: Sideline 2... g6?| |rd|nd|bd|qd|kd|bd|nd|rd|= |pd|pd|pd|pd| |pd| |pd|= | | | | | | |pd| |= | | | | |pd| | | |= | | |bl| |pl| | | |= | | | | | | | | |= |pl|pl|pl|pl| |pl|pl|pl|= |rl|nl|bl|ql|kl| |nl|rl|= || }} = Bishop's Opening - Sideline 2... g6? = == 2...g6? == The opening line '''1. e4 e5 2. Bc4 g6''' is a deviation from standard opening principles in chess. The move '''2…g6?''' is considered weak because it allows White to seize control of the center with 3. d4 quickly. This move attacks the pawn on e5 and prepares to develop the knight to f3. After '''3. d4!,''' White plans to continue with 4. Nf3, aiming to put more pressure on the central square e5. Black cannot respond with 4... Bg7?? because 5. Nxe5 Bxe5 6. dxe5 would lead to White winning a pawn due to the pin on the e5 pawn. White could also consider a long-term plan of advancing the pawn on a2 to a5 (via a4) to control the b6 square. This move could potentially limit Black's queenside development and create weaknesses in Black's pawn structure. Overall, this sideline in the Bishop's Opening leads to a superior position for White due to Black's neglect of central control and weak pawn structure. == Theory table == {{ChessTable}}. '''1. e4 e5 2. Bc4 g6?'''<table class="wikitable" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4"> <tr> <th></th><th style="text-align: left>3</th><th style="text-align: left>4</th><th style="text-align: left>5</th><th style="text-align: lef>6</th><th style="text-align: left>7</th><th style="text-align: left>8</th><th style="text-align: left">9</th><th style="text-align: left"></th></tr> <tr> <th rowspan="5" align="right">'''Sideline''' 2... g6? </th><td>Nf3 d6?! </td><td>d4<br>Bg7</td><td>dxe5 dxe5? </td><td>Bxf7+!</td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td>+/−</td></tr> <tr><td>... ... </td><td>... ... </td><td>... Nc6 </td><td>Nc3</td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td>±</td></tr><tr><td>...<br>[[Chess Opening Theory/1._d4/1...Nf6/2._Bf4/2...d5|Bg7]]</td><td>d4 exd4 </td><td>Bg5 </td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td>±</td></tr><tr><td>d4! Nc6 </td><td>d5 Na5?! </td><td>Be2 b6 </td><td>Nc3 Nf6 </td><td>f4 d6 </td><td>Nf3 Bg7 </td><td>f5</td><td>±</td></tr><tr><td>... ... </td><td>... Nb8 </td><td>Nc3 d6 </td><td>a4 a6 </td><td>a5 Nd7 </td><td>Nf3</td><td></td><td>±</td></tr></table> {{ChessMid}} == References == {{Wikipedia|Bishop's Opening}} {{reflist}} '''Bibliography''' * [[wikipedia:Garry_Kasparov|Kasparov, Gary]] & [[wikipedia:Raymond_Keene|Keene, Raymond]] (1989, 1994). ''Batsford Chess Openings 2''. {{ISBN|0-8050-3409-9}}. * [[wikipedia:Gary_Lane_(chess_player)|Lane, Gary]] (1993). ''Winning With the Bishop's Opening''. {{ISBN|0-7134-7113-1}}. * [[wikipedia:Vasily_Panov|Panov, Vasily.]] (1973). ''Teoría de Aperturas, Tomo I: Aperturas Abiertas - Aperturas Semiabiertas''. {{ISBN|84-270-0132-0}}. '''External links''' {{wikibooks|Chess Opening Theory|Chess Opening Theory/1. e4/1...e5/2. Bc4}} * Goeller, Michael. [https://web.archive.org/web/20120716200219/http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~goeller/urusov/bishops/index.html The Bishop's Opening]. * Harding, Tim (August 1998). [https://archive.today/2013.01.02-042149/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kibitz27.txt The Kibitzer: What Exactly is the Bishop's Opening?]. ''ChessCafe.com''. * Harding, Tim (September 1998). [https://archive.today/2013.01.02-042434/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kibitz28.txt The Kibitzer: The Eternal Appeal Of The Urusov Gambit]. ''ChessCafe.com''. * Harding, Tim (October 1998). [https://archive.today/2006.10.27-175809/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kibitz29.txt The Kibitzer: Is the Urusov Gambit Sound?]. ''ChessCafe.com'' {{Chess_Opening_Theory/Footer}} jpogjffen95sapqvcsq6yurswchzwc1 0 462388 4637147 4335054 2026-05-23T08:14:43Z ~2026-30859-52 3592773 4637147 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Chess Opening Theory/Position|Bishop's Opening: Sideline 2... b6?| |rd|nd|bd|qd|kd|bd|nd|rd|pd| |pd|pd| |pd|pd|pd| |pd| | | | | | | | | | |pd| | | | | |bl| |pl| | | | | | | | | | | |pl|pl|pl|pl| |pl|pl|pl|rl|nl|bl|ql|kl| |nl|rl|| }} = Bishop's Opening - Sideline 2... b6? = == 2...b6? == The position after the moves '''1. e4 e5 2. Bc4 b6?''' is generally considered weak and slightly unusual as it doesn't immediately help in developing black's minor pieces or controlling the center of the board. The primary weakness this move creates in Black's position is a lack of central control. The traditional moves 2...Nc6 or 2...Nf6! contest the center and allow for quicker development of the pieces, but 2...b6 does not. Furthermore, the move 2...b6 could potentially weaken the c6 square, which could be exploited in the future. White's plan usually involves a standard development with '''3.Nf3!''' followed by 0-0, d4, and c3. White's plan of rapid development and central control can help to exploit the 2...b6 weaknesses and gain an early advantage. This plan allows White to quickly develop his pieces, aiming to control the center with a pawn at d4, and prepare for a potential pawn storm with c3 and d4. The Knights are well placed on f3 and c3, the Bishop on c4 is eyeing the f7 square, and the King has been tucked away safely by castling. This setup provides a solid foundation for White to launch an attack, putting pressure on Black's position. Meanwhile, Black's slower development and lack of central control can allow White to seize the initiative early on in the game. The key for White will be to capitalize on these advantages while maintaining a solid position and preparing for any counterattacks that Black might launch. == Theory table == {{ChessTable}}. '''1. e4 e5 2. Bc4 b6?'''<table class="wikitable" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4"> <tr> <th></th><th style="text-align: left">3</th><th style="text-align: left">4</th><th style="text-align: left">5</th><th style="text-align: lef"t">6</th><th style="text-align: left">7</th><th style="text-align: left">8</th><th style="text-align: left">9</th><th style="text-align: left">10</th><th style="text-align: left"></th></tr> <tr> <th rowspan="4" align="right">'''Sideline''' 2... b6? </th><td>d3 Nf6 </td><td>f4 exf4 </td><td>Bxf4 d5 </td><td>exd5 Nxd5 </td><td>Qe2+ Be7 </td><td>Bxd5 Qxd5 </td><td>Bxc7? Qc6! </td><td></td><td>∓</td></tr> <tr><td>... ... </td><td>... ... </td><td>... ... </td><td>... ... </td><td>... ... </td><td>... ... </td><td>Nc3 Qd7 </td><td>Qe5</td><td>=</td></tr><tr><td>Nf3! Nc6 </td><td>O-O Na5?! </td><td>Nxe5 Nxc4 </td><td>Nxc4</td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td>±</td></tr><tr><td>... ... </td><td>... Bb7 </td><td>d4 exd4 </td><td>c3! d3 </td><td>e5! </td><td></td><td></td><td></td><td>±</td></tr></table>{{ChessMid}} == References == {{Wikipedia|Bishop's Opening}} {{reflist}} '''Bibliography''' * [[wikipedia:Garry_Kasparov|Kasparov, Gary]] & [[wikipedia:Raymond_Keene|Keene, Raymond]] (1989, 1994). ''Batsford Chess Openings 2''. {{ISBN|0-8050-3409-9}}. * [[wikipedia:Gary_Lane_(chess_player)|Lane, Gary]] (1993). ''Winning With the Bishop's Opening''. {{ISBN|0-7134-7113-1}}. * [[wikipedia:Vasily_Panov|Panov, Vasily.]] (1973). ''Teoría de Aperturas, Tomo I: Aperturas Abiertas - Aperturas Semiabiertas''. {{ISBN|84-270-0132-0}}. * [[wikipedia:Eric_Schiller|Schiller, Eric.]] (2002). ''Standard Chess Openings''. {{ISBN|1-58042-048-6}}. '''External links''' {{wikibooks|Chess Opening Theory|Chess Opening Theory/1. e4/1...e5/2. Bc4}} * Goeller, Michael. [https://web.archive.org/web/20120716200219/http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~goeller/urusov/bishops/index.html The Bishop's Opening]. * Harding, Tim (August 1998). [https://archive.today/2013.01.02-042149/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kibitz27.txt The Kibitzer: What Exactly is the Bishop's Opening?]. ''ChessCafe.com''. * Harding, Tim (September 1998). [https://archive.today/2013.01.02-042434/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kibitz28.txt The Kibitzer: The Eternal Appeal Of The Urusov Gambit]. ''ChessCafe.com''. * Harding, Tim (October 1998). [https://archive.today/2006.10.27-175809/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kibitz29.txt The Kibitzer: Is the Urusov Gambit Sound?]. ''ChessCafe.com'' {{Chess_Opening_Theory/Footer}} ieqaztxpayjz8i9tjvbkyex150mdpgk 0 464854 4637148 4367254 2026-05-23T08:16:06Z ~2026-30859-52 3592773 4637148 wikitext text/x-wiki =Bishop's Opening: The Sideline 2...a6?!= {{Chess Opening Theory/Position|= |Bishop's Opening - Sideline 2...a6?!| |rd|nd|bd|qd|kd|bd|nd|rd|= | |pd|pd|pd| |pd|pd|pd|= |pd| | | | | | | |= | | | | |pd| | | |= | | |bl| |pl| | | |= | | | | | | | | |= |pl|pl|pl|pl| |pl|pl|pl|= |rl|nl|bl|ql|kl| |nl|rl|= || }} == 2...a6?! == '''2...a6?!''' doesn't have a variation name. It can't be considered serious because white gains a large advantage after '''3. Nc3! (or ''3. Nf3'')'''. Although it threatens ...b5, '''this move is timid and not a good option against the Bishop's Opening'''. '''3. a4''', though strange, gains space in the queenside ''and'' stops 3...b5. While 3. a4 is '''not''' as good as 3. Nc3 and 3. Nf3, '''it also refutes 2...a6?!'''. {{ChessFooter}} {{BookCat}} n8zbdnm93i1z4y7ry12ptzlibifbt2p 4637172 4637148 2026-05-23T11:04:21Z JCrue 2226064 4637172 wikitext text/x-wiki {{delete|not opening theory, see talk}} =Bishop's Opening: The Sideline 2...a6?!= {{Chess Opening Theory/Position|= |Bishop's Opening - Sideline 2...a6?!| |rd|nd|bd|qd|kd|bd|nd|rd|= | |pd|pd|pd| |pd|pd|pd|= |pd| | | | | | | |= | | | | |pd| | | |= | | |bl| |pl| | | |= | | | | | | | | |= |pl|pl|pl|pl| |pl|pl|pl|= |rl|nl|bl|ql|kl| |nl|rl|= || }} == 2...a6?! == '''2...a6?!''' doesn't have a variation name. It can't be considered serious because white gains a large advantage after '''3. Nc3! (or ''3. Nf3'')'''. Although it threatens ...b5, '''this move is timid and not a good option against the Bishop's Opening'''. '''3. a4''', though strange, gains space in the queenside ''and'' stops 3...b5. While 3. a4 is '''not''' as good as 3. Nc3 and 3. Nf3, '''it also refutes 2...a6?!'''. {{ChessFooter}} {{BookCat}} 6qhlef43qqph74kdo7m1hf2hrbotgeh 3 465775 4637042 4380943 2026-05-22T16:58:07Z Kittycataclysm 3371989 Kittycataclysm moved page [[Cookbook talk:Damoda (Groundnut Stew)]] to [[User talk:Grace789/Damoda (Groundnut Stew)]] without leaving a redirect: user space for bulk-added incomplete recipe 4380943 wikitext text/x-wiki == Chiles? == What variety of chiles should be used here? —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 01:44, 18 March 2024 (UTC) 6rpb84yg1bb7c6rqvrq8yxsj36lp556 10 474374 4637173 4539084 2026-05-23T11:11:35Z JCrue 2226064 delete (no longer used) 4637173 wikitext text/x-wiki {{delete|Template no longer in use}} dhji9z7hmn29ggc98deqmae3ypqpb4m 10 474399 4637174 4610886 2026-05-23T11:12:12Z JCrue 2226064 delete (no longer used) 4637174 wikitext text/x-wiki {{delete|No longer in use.}} ka54sjr20qz6jjjfkqinr4noe37jvjp 10 474512 4637175 4612889 2026-05-23T11:13:14Z JCrue 2226064 delete (no longer used) 4637175 wikitext text/x-wiki {{delete|No longer in use.}} ka54sjr20qz6jjjfkqinr4noe37jvjp 3 476126 4637027 4634385 2026-05-22T12:45:05Z Kittycataclysm 3371989 /* Editing Restrictions */ new section 4637027 wikitext text/x-wiki == Welcome to the Cookbook == {{mbox | type = | image = [[File:Foodlogo2.svg|40px]] | imageright = | style = | textstyle = | text = Hello and thank you for your recent contribution to the [[Cookbook:Table of Contents|Wikibooks Cookbook]]! When adding to the Cookbook, please make sure all content conforms to [[Cookbook:Policy|Cookbook policy]], including the [[Cookbook:Manual of Style|manual of style]] and standard page templates. Feel free to let me know if you need any help or have any questions! {{#ifeq: |||<br>'''Additional details:''' }} | small = | smallimage = | smallimageright = | smalltext = }} —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 02:59, 29 June 2025 (UTC) :okay, thanks but may i ask if the one i created has errol or i should proceed [[User:Bamjos|Bamjos]] ([[User talk:Bamjos|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bamjos|contribs]]) 15:54, 29 June 2025 (UTC) ::Hi @[[User:Bamjos|Bamjos]]—all of the recipes you have added are incomplete because they do not match the cookbook's formatting policy. Before adding any new recipes, could you correct your existing recipes by making sure they fully conform to [[Cookbook:Policy/Recipe template]]? Thanks! —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 17:19, 29 June 2025 (UTC) :::According to the policy , I dnt have issue with the cookbook I created, if there is any other areas you want me to improve on, you can state it . Thanks [[User:Bamjos|Bamjos]] ([[User talk:Bamjos|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bamjos|contribs]]) 16:42, 30 June 2025 (UTC) ::::Hi @[[User:Bamjos|Bamjos]]—the issues are as follows: ::::* Ingredients need to be linked to their corresponding cookbook page (if the page exists). ::::* You need to make sure the ingredients are listed in the order they appear in the procedure. ::::* You need to add [[Template:Recipe]] and [[Template:Recipe summary]] at the top of the page. ::::* You need to add all the appropriate categories at the bottom of the page. ::::* Some of the recipes mention ingredients in the procedure that are not in the ingredients list—this needs to be fixed. ::::* Some of the recipes seem to have incomplete procedures. ::::—[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 18:41, 1 July 2025 (UTC) :::::Thanks for this, i will work on that [[User:Bamjos|Bamjos]] ([[User talk:Bamjos|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bamjos|contribs]]) 14:35, 2 July 2025 (UTC) ::::::Hi @[[User:Bamjos|Bamjos]]—could you please make sure your other recipes are fully complete before adding new recipes? Thanks! —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 11:55, 7 July 2025 (UTC) :::::::complete in what sense? most of the recipes i checked on cookbook are not even standard like mine. the issues you listed above is all i have been working on. If there is any area again, kindly state it. Thanks [[User:Bamjos|Bamjos]] ([[User talk:Bamjos|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bamjos|contribs]]) 14:53, 7 July 2025 (UTC) ::::::::@[[User:Bamjos|Bamjos]] [[:Category:Recipes|there are over 3,000 recipes in the Cookbook]], and the vast majority conform to the Cookbook standards as I have described them. The following recipes you have added are all incomplete, often for the reasons I listed above. I have listed the specific reasons for incompleteness on the pages themselves: ::::::::* [[Cookbook:Achu/Achou]] ::::::::* [[Cookbook:Chakalaka]] ::::::::* [[Cookbook:Bobotie]] ::::::::* [[Cookbook:Tomato Bredie]] ::::::::* [[Cookbook:South African Curry and Rice]] ::::::::* [[Cookbook:Cornchaff Recipe]] ::::::::* [[Cookbook:Pumpkin Soufflé Casserole]] ::::::::[[Cookbook:Zimbabwean Chicken and Vegetable Soup]] looks good—please have the rest of your recipes match that. I am happy to take a look at them once you have made the corrections, but please don't add any more until the incomplete ones are finished. —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 18:05, 7 July 2025 (UTC) :::::::::please check all the cookbook created and see if i have done what you said and if i can continue creating another articles [[User:Bamjos|Bamjos]] ([[User talk:Bamjos|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bamjos|contribs]]) 15:52, 9 July 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::Hi @[[User:Bamjos|Bamjos]]. I reviewed all the recipes, and they are all still incomplete in various ways. The specific issues with each recipe are listed directly on the pages. Additionally, I saw that at least one of the recipes was taken from another source—please list the original source when that is the case. Thanks —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 02:53, 11 July 2025 (UTC) == Cookbook categories == Hi @[[User:Bamjos|Bamjos]]! A heads-up on how to categorize recipes in the cookbook: * Recipes should only take recipe categories. For example, a recipe page should never be filed under [[:Category:African cuisines]] because it's a recipe not a cuisine. [[:Category:African recipes]] would be the correct one to use of the two options. * Avoid adding redundant categories. For example, if you file a recipe under [[:Category:Nigerian recipes]], you don't need to also file it under [[:Category:African recipes]], since the former category is already filed under the latter. I've removed the improper categories you added to some recipes—let me know if you have any questions. —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 20:59, 8 July 2025 (UTC) :Thanks, can i know more about the kind of category for recipe? [[User:Bamjos|Bamjos]] ([[User talk:Bamjos|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bamjos|contribs]]) 14:57, 9 July 2025 (UTC) ::@[[User:Bamjos|Bamjos]] I'm not sure what you're asking—could you explain? Thanks —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 02:54, 11 July 2025 (UTC) == Blocked == Hi @[[User:Bamjos|Bamjos]]. I have blocked you for 2 days for the following reasons: * Continuing to add new recipes while your previous recipes are still incomplete, with the same issues in your new contributions. * Apparent copyright violations combined with a failure to list recipe sources after warning. I have explained to you the problems that you need to fix, you still have not fixed them, and your new contributions still have these issues. You may continue editing once the block has expired, as long as you follow the cookbook policy and demonstrate improvement. Thanks —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 20:20, 17 July 2025 (UTC) :okay [[User:Bamjos|Bamjos]] ([[User talk:Bamjos|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bamjos|contribs]]) 11:27, 18 July 2025 (UTC) ==[[:Cookbook:Achu/Achou]]== {{tmbox|type=delete|text='''Bamjos, "[[:Cookbook:Achu/Achou|Cookbook:Achu/Achou]]" is currently incomplete.'''<br />You are being notified because you have contributed this work. The reasons for its incompleteness are listed [[:Cookbook:Achu/Achou|on the recipe page]]. Please complete the recipe as indicated, or it is liable to be speedily deleted as abandoned material. Let me know if you have any questions. —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 21:18, 24 July 2025 (UTC)}} ==[[:Cookbook:Omo tuo]]== {{tmbox|type=delete|text='''Bamjos, "[[:Cookbook:Omo tuo|Cookbook:Omo tuo]]" is currently incomplete.'''<br />You are being notified because you have contributed this work. The reasons for its incompleteness are listed [[:Cookbook:Omo tuo|on the recipe page]]. Please complete the recipe as indicated, or it is liable to be speedily deleted as abandoned material. Let me know if you have any questions. —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 01:46, 1 September 2025 (UTC)}} ==[[:Cookbook:South African Curry and Rice]]== {{tmbox|type=delete|text='''Bamjos, "[[:Cookbook:South African Curry and Rice|Cookbook:South African Curry and Rice]]" is currently incomplete.'''<br />You are being notified because you have contributed this work. The reasons for its incompleteness are listed [[:Cookbook:South African Curry and Rice|on the recipe page]]. Please complete the recipe as indicated, or it is liable to be speedily deleted as abandoned material. Let me know if you have any questions. —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 01:48, 1 September 2025 (UTC)}} == Recipe contributions == @[[User:Bamjos|Bamjos]] good to see you back in the cookbook. While you're adding new recipes, please make sure they are complete—they are still having the same issues as last time. Thank you! —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 00:14, 6 May 2026 (UTC) == Editing Restrictions == Hi @[[User:Bamjos|Bamjos]]. I have temporarily blocked you from creating new pages in the Cookbook because you are continuing to copy recipes word-for word from other sources. We went over this last year. You cannot directly copy a recipe unless you show that the original author has released it under terms compatible with ours. Let me know if you have any questions. —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 12:45, 22 May 2026 (UTC) e3vxq892rhmv48lqujrohi8aq7m0oaw 4637079 4637027 2026-05-22T19:21:21Z ~2026-30690-83 3592401 /* Editing Restrictions */ Reply 4637079 wikitext text/x-wiki == Welcome to the Cookbook == {{mbox | type = | image = [[File:Foodlogo2.svg|40px]] | imageright = | style = | textstyle = | text = Hello and thank you for your recent contribution to the [[Cookbook:Table of Contents|Wikibooks Cookbook]]! When adding to the Cookbook, please make sure all content conforms to [[Cookbook:Policy|Cookbook policy]], including the [[Cookbook:Manual of Style|manual of style]] and standard page templates. Feel free to let me know if you need any help or have any questions! {{#ifeq: |||<br>'''Additional details:''' }} | small = | smallimage = | smallimageright = | smalltext = }} —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 02:59, 29 June 2025 (UTC) :okay, thanks but may i ask if the one i created has errol or i should proceed [[User:Bamjos|Bamjos]] ([[User talk:Bamjos|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bamjos|contribs]]) 15:54, 29 June 2025 (UTC) ::Hi @[[User:Bamjos|Bamjos]]—all of the recipes you have added are incomplete because they do not match the cookbook's formatting policy. Before adding any new recipes, could you correct your existing recipes by making sure they fully conform to [[Cookbook:Policy/Recipe template]]? Thanks! —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 17:19, 29 June 2025 (UTC) :::According to the policy , I dnt have issue with the cookbook I created, if there is any other areas you want me to improve on, you can state it . Thanks [[User:Bamjos|Bamjos]] ([[User talk:Bamjos|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bamjos|contribs]]) 16:42, 30 June 2025 (UTC) ::::Hi @[[User:Bamjos|Bamjos]]—the issues are as follows: ::::* Ingredients need to be linked to their corresponding cookbook page (if the page exists). ::::* You need to make sure the ingredients are listed in the order they appear in the procedure. ::::* You need to add [[Template:Recipe]] and [[Template:Recipe summary]] at the top of the page. ::::* You need to add all the appropriate categories at the bottom of the page. ::::* Some of the recipes mention ingredients in the procedure that are not in the ingredients list—this needs to be fixed. ::::* Some of the recipes seem to have incomplete procedures. ::::—[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 18:41, 1 July 2025 (UTC) :::::Thanks for this, i will work on that [[User:Bamjos|Bamjos]] ([[User talk:Bamjos|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bamjos|contribs]]) 14:35, 2 July 2025 (UTC) ::::::Hi @[[User:Bamjos|Bamjos]]—could you please make sure your other recipes are fully complete before adding new recipes? Thanks! —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 11:55, 7 July 2025 (UTC) :::::::complete in what sense? most of the recipes i checked on cookbook are not even standard like mine. the issues you listed above is all i have been working on. If there is any area again, kindly state it. Thanks [[User:Bamjos|Bamjos]] ([[User talk:Bamjos|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bamjos|contribs]]) 14:53, 7 July 2025 (UTC) ::::::::@[[User:Bamjos|Bamjos]] [[:Category:Recipes|there are over 3,000 recipes in the Cookbook]], and the vast majority conform to the Cookbook standards as I have described them. The following recipes you have added are all incomplete, often for the reasons I listed above. I have listed the specific reasons for incompleteness on the pages themselves: ::::::::* [[Cookbook:Achu/Achou]] ::::::::* [[Cookbook:Chakalaka]] ::::::::* [[Cookbook:Bobotie]] ::::::::* [[Cookbook:Tomato Bredie]] ::::::::* [[Cookbook:South African Curry and Rice]] ::::::::* [[Cookbook:Cornchaff Recipe]] ::::::::* [[Cookbook:Pumpkin Soufflé Casserole]] ::::::::[[Cookbook:Zimbabwean Chicken and Vegetable Soup]] looks good—please have the rest of your recipes match that. I am happy to take a look at them once you have made the corrections, but please don't add any more until the incomplete ones are finished. —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 18:05, 7 July 2025 (UTC) :::::::::please check all the cookbook created and see if i have done what you said and if i can continue creating another articles [[User:Bamjos|Bamjos]] ([[User talk:Bamjos|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bamjos|contribs]]) 15:52, 9 July 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::Hi @[[User:Bamjos|Bamjos]]. I reviewed all the recipes, and they are all still incomplete in various ways. The specific issues with each recipe are listed directly on the pages. Additionally, I saw that at least one of the recipes was taken from another source—please list the original source when that is the case. Thanks —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 02:53, 11 July 2025 (UTC) == Cookbook categories == Hi @[[User:Bamjos|Bamjos]]! A heads-up on how to categorize recipes in the cookbook: * Recipes should only take recipe categories. For example, a recipe page should never be filed under [[:Category:African cuisines]] because it's a recipe not a cuisine. [[:Category:African recipes]] would be the correct one to use of the two options. * Avoid adding redundant categories. For example, if you file a recipe under [[:Category:Nigerian recipes]], you don't need to also file it under [[:Category:African recipes]], since the former category is already filed under the latter. I've removed the improper categories you added to some recipes—let me know if you have any questions. —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 20:59, 8 July 2025 (UTC) :Thanks, can i know more about the kind of category for recipe? [[User:Bamjos|Bamjos]] ([[User talk:Bamjos|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bamjos|contribs]]) 14:57, 9 July 2025 (UTC) ::@[[User:Bamjos|Bamjos]] I'm not sure what you're asking—could you explain? Thanks —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 02:54, 11 July 2025 (UTC) == Blocked == Hi @[[User:Bamjos|Bamjos]]. I have blocked you for 2 days for the following reasons: * Continuing to add new recipes while your previous recipes are still incomplete, with the same issues in your new contributions. * Apparent copyright violations combined with a failure to list recipe sources after warning. I have explained to you the problems that you need to fix, you still have not fixed them, and your new contributions still have these issues. You may continue editing once the block has expired, as long as you follow the cookbook policy and demonstrate improvement. Thanks —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 20:20, 17 July 2025 (UTC) :okay [[User:Bamjos|Bamjos]] ([[User talk:Bamjos|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bamjos|contribs]]) 11:27, 18 July 2025 (UTC) ==[[:Cookbook:Achu/Achou]]== {{tmbox|type=delete|text='''Bamjos, "[[:Cookbook:Achu/Achou|Cookbook:Achu/Achou]]" is currently incomplete.'''<br />You are being notified because you have contributed this work. The reasons for its incompleteness are listed [[:Cookbook:Achu/Achou|on the recipe page]]. Please complete the recipe as indicated, or it is liable to be speedily deleted as abandoned material. Let me know if you have any questions. —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 21:18, 24 July 2025 (UTC)}} ==[[:Cookbook:Omo tuo]]== {{tmbox|type=delete|text='''Bamjos, "[[:Cookbook:Omo tuo|Cookbook:Omo tuo]]" is currently incomplete.'''<br />You are being notified because you have contributed this work. The reasons for its incompleteness are listed [[:Cookbook:Omo tuo|on the recipe page]]. Please complete the recipe as indicated, or it is liable to be speedily deleted as abandoned material. Let me know if you have any questions. —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 01:46, 1 September 2025 (UTC)}} ==[[:Cookbook:South African Curry and Rice]]== {{tmbox|type=delete|text='''Bamjos, "[[:Cookbook:South African Curry and Rice|Cookbook:South African Curry and Rice]]" is currently incomplete.'''<br />You are being notified because you have contributed this work. The reasons for its incompleteness are listed [[:Cookbook:South African Curry and Rice|on the recipe page]]. Please complete the recipe as indicated, or it is liable to be speedily deleted as abandoned material. Let me know if you have any questions. —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 01:48, 1 September 2025 (UTC)}} == Recipe contributions == @[[User:Bamjos|Bamjos]] good to see you back in the cookbook. While you're adding new recipes, please make sure they are complete—they are still having the same issues as last time. Thank you! —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 00:14, 6 May 2026 (UTC) == Editing Restrictions == Hi @[[User:Bamjos|Bamjos]]. I have temporarily blocked you from creating new pages in the Cookbook because you are continuing to copy recipes word-for word from other sources. We went over this last year. You cannot directly copy a recipe unless you show that the original author has released it under terms compatible with ours. Let me know if you have any questions. —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 12:45, 22 May 2026 (UTC) :I dont copy word to word, you can check it very well. Thanks :But [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-30690-83|&#126;2026-30690-83]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-30690-83|talk]]) 19:21, 22 May 2026 (UTC) 2vj9hl04m9db64elpwaevr25d8xwji3 4637080 4637079 2026-05-22T19:22:14Z ~2026-30690-83 3592401 /* Editing Restrictions */ Reply 4637080 wikitext text/x-wiki == Welcome to the Cookbook == {{mbox | type = | image = [[File:Foodlogo2.svg|40px]] | imageright = | style = | textstyle = | text = Hello and thank you for your recent contribution to the [[Cookbook:Table of Contents|Wikibooks Cookbook]]! When adding to the Cookbook, please make sure all content conforms to [[Cookbook:Policy|Cookbook policy]], including the [[Cookbook:Manual of Style|manual of style]] and standard page templates. Feel free to let me know if you need any help or have any questions! {{#ifeq: |||<br>'''Additional details:''' }} | small = | smallimage = | smallimageright = | smalltext = }} —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 02:59, 29 June 2025 (UTC) :okay, thanks but may i ask if the one i created has errol or i should proceed [[User:Bamjos|Bamjos]] ([[User talk:Bamjos|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bamjos|contribs]]) 15:54, 29 June 2025 (UTC) ::Hi @[[User:Bamjos|Bamjos]]—all of the recipes you have added are incomplete because they do not match the cookbook's formatting policy. Before adding any new recipes, could you correct your existing recipes by making sure they fully conform to [[Cookbook:Policy/Recipe template]]? Thanks! —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 17:19, 29 June 2025 (UTC) :::According to the policy , I dnt have issue with the cookbook I created, if there is any other areas you want me to improve on, you can state it . Thanks [[User:Bamjos|Bamjos]] ([[User talk:Bamjos|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bamjos|contribs]]) 16:42, 30 June 2025 (UTC) ::::Hi @[[User:Bamjos|Bamjos]]—the issues are as follows: ::::* Ingredients need to be linked to their corresponding cookbook page (if the page exists). ::::* You need to make sure the ingredients are listed in the order they appear in the procedure. ::::* You need to add [[Template:Recipe]] and [[Template:Recipe summary]] at the top of the page. ::::* You need to add all the appropriate categories at the bottom of the page. ::::* Some of the recipes mention ingredients in the procedure that are not in the ingredients list—this needs to be fixed. ::::* Some of the recipes seem to have incomplete procedures. ::::—[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 18:41, 1 July 2025 (UTC) :::::Thanks for this, i will work on that [[User:Bamjos|Bamjos]] ([[User talk:Bamjos|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bamjos|contribs]]) 14:35, 2 July 2025 (UTC) ::::::Hi @[[User:Bamjos|Bamjos]]—could you please make sure your other recipes are fully complete before adding new recipes? Thanks! —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 11:55, 7 July 2025 (UTC) :::::::complete in what sense? most of the recipes i checked on cookbook are not even standard like mine. the issues you listed above is all i have been working on. If there is any area again, kindly state it. Thanks [[User:Bamjos|Bamjos]] ([[User talk:Bamjos|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bamjos|contribs]]) 14:53, 7 July 2025 (UTC) ::::::::@[[User:Bamjos|Bamjos]] [[:Category:Recipes|there are over 3,000 recipes in the Cookbook]], and the vast majority conform to the Cookbook standards as I have described them. The following recipes you have added are all incomplete, often for the reasons I listed above. I have listed the specific reasons for incompleteness on the pages themselves: ::::::::* [[Cookbook:Achu/Achou]] ::::::::* [[Cookbook:Chakalaka]] ::::::::* [[Cookbook:Bobotie]] ::::::::* [[Cookbook:Tomato Bredie]] ::::::::* [[Cookbook:South African Curry and Rice]] ::::::::* [[Cookbook:Cornchaff Recipe]] ::::::::* [[Cookbook:Pumpkin Soufflé Casserole]] ::::::::[[Cookbook:Zimbabwean Chicken and Vegetable Soup]] looks good—please have the rest of your recipes match that. I am happy to take a look at them once you have made the corrections, but please don't add any more until the incomplete ones are finished. —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 18:05, 7 July 2025 (UTC) :::::::::please check all the cookbook created and see if i have done what you said and if i can continue creating another articles [[User:Bamjos|Bamjos]] ([[User talk:Bamjos|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bamjos|contribs]]) 15:52, 9 July 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::Hi @[[User:Bamjos|Bamjos]]. I reviewed all the recipes, and they are all still incomplete in various ways. The specific issues with each recipe are listed directly on the pages. Additionally, I saw that at least one of the recipes was taken from another source—please list the original source when that is the case. Thanks —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 02:53, 11 July 2025 (UTC) == Cookbook categories == Hi @[[User:Bamjos|Bamjos]]! A heads-up on how to categorize recipes in the cookbook: * Recipes should only take recipe categories. For example, a recipe page should never be filed under [[:Category:African cuisines]] because it's a recipe not a cuisine. [[:Category:African recipes]] would be the correct one to use of the two options. * Avoid adding redundant categories. For example, if you file a recipe under [[:Category:Nigerian recipes]], you don't need to also file it under [[:Category:African recipes]], since the former category is already filed under the latter. I've removed the improper categories you added to some recipes—let me know if you have any questions. —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 20:59, 8 July 2025 (UTC) :Thanks, can i know more about the kind of category for recipe? [[User:Bamjos|Bamjos]] ([[User talk:Bamjos|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bamjos|contribs]]) 14:57, 9 July 2025 (UTC) ::@[[User:Bamjos|Bamjos]] I'm not sure what you're asking—could you explain? Thanks —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 02:54, 11 July 2025 (UTC) == Blocked == Hi @[[User:Bamjos|Bamjos]]. I have blocked you for 2 days for the following reasons: * Continuing to add new recipes while your previous recipes are still incomplete, with the same issues in your new contributions. * Apparent copyright violations combined with a failure to list recipe sources after warning. I have explained to you the problems that you need to fix, you still have not fixed them, and your new contributions still have these issues. You may continue editing once the block has expired, as long as you follow the cookbook policy and demonstrate improvement. Thanks —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 20:20, 17 July 2025 (UTC) :okay [[User:Bamjos|Bamjos]] ([[User talk:Bamjos|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bamjos|contribs]]) 11:27, 18 July 2025 (UTC) ==[[:Cookbook:Achu/Achou]]== {{tmbox|type=delete|text='''Bamjos, "[[:Cookbook:Achu/Achou|Cookbook:Achu/Achou]]" is currently incomplete.'''<br />You are being notified because you have contributed this work. The reasons for its incompleteness are listed [[:Cookbook:Achu/Achou|on the recipe page]]. Please complete the recipe as indicated, or it is liable to be speedily deleted as abandoned material. Let me know if you have any questions. —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 21:18, 24 July 2025 (UTC)}} ==[[:Cookbook:Omo tuo]]== {{tmbox|type=delete|text='''Bamjos, "[[:Cookbook:Omo tuo|Cookbook:Omo tuo]]" is currently incomplete.'''<br />You are being notified because you have contributed this work. The reasons for its incompleteness are listed [[:Cookbook:Omo tuo|on the recipe page]]. Please complete the recipe as indicated, or it is liable to be speedily deleted as abandoned material. 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While you're adding new recipes, please make sure they are complete—they are still having the same issues as last time. Thank you! —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 00:14, 6 May 2026 (UTC) == Editing Restrictions == Hi @[[User:Bamjos|Bamjos]]. I have temporarily blocked you from creating new pages in the Cookbook because you are continuing to copy recipes word-for word from other sources. We went over this last year. You cannot directly copy a recipe unless you show that the original author has released it under terms compatible with ours. Let me know if you have any questions. —[[User:Kittycataclysm|Kittycataclysm]] ([[User talk:Kittycataclysm|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kittycataclysm|contribs]]) 12:45, 22 May 2026 (UTC) :I dont copy word to word, you can check it very well. Thanks :But [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-30690-83|&#126;2026-30690-83]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-30690-83|talk]]) 19:21, 22 May 2026 (UTC) ::Maybe I will stop creating cookbook , just try to unblock me please. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-30690-83|&#126;2026-30690-83]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-30690-83|talk]]) 19:22, 22 May 2026 (UTC) ak61rmbmsqfh6r971b357xqcw21o8vy 0 478600 4637137 4610116 2026-05-23T08:09:36Z Henrifant 3497484 updated the page 4637137 wikitext text/x-wiki <center><h3>The Earth</h3></center> <center>The Third Planet of our Solar System.</center> ---- [[File:(NON-COPYRIGHTED) Flag Map of the World.png|thumb|The World is made up of 197 almost-universally recognized fully recognized sovereign states.]] The Earth is the third planet of our solar system and the only known planet to harbor life. The Earth has 7 [[Geography for Dummies/Continents|continents]] (5 or 6 depending on what you define as a continent) and has a varying [[Geography for Dummies/Climate|climate]] depending on [[Geography for Dummies/Weather|weather]], [[Geography for Dummies/Season|season]], location, etc. The Earth is often referred to as "Terra", "World", "Globe", "Gaia" or "Terrus", all of which having different meanings from "Earth". The Earth has 4 Major Geoglogical Sub-Systems, which are the ''[[Geography for Dummies/The Geosphere|Geosphere]]'', ''[[Geography for Dummies/The Hydrosphere|Hydrosphere]]'', ''[[Geography for Dummies/The Atmosphere|Atmosphere]]'', and ''[[Geography for Dummies/The Biosphere|Biosphere]]''. Just like on other planets, [[Geography for Dummies/Earthquakes|earthquakes]] occasionally happen on Earth, which are caused by the collision of [[Geography for Dummies/Tectonic Plates|tectonic plates]]. Due to this reason, earthquakes commonly happen on places that connect 2 tectonic plates, such as [[Geography for Dummies/Turkey|Turkey]], [[Geography for Dummies/Russia|Russia]], [[Geography for Dummies/Japan|Japan]], [[Geography for Dummies/Indonesia|Indonesia]], [[Geography for Dummies/Mexico|Mexico]], etc. There are currently 8 million known species on Earth, varying in size, behavior, and more. The Earth has a circumference of 40,000 kilometers, and a diameter of 12,742 kilometers. Assuming the average human has a walking speed of 5/kmh, it would take the average human 1 year of non-stop walking to circle the earth once. The Earth is split into the [[Geography for Dummies/Northern Hemisphere|Northern]]- and [[Geography for Dummies/Southern Hemisphere|Southern Hemisphere]] by an imaginary line called the [[Geography for Dummies/Regions|eqautor]]. The Earth was formed 4.5 Billion Years ago, likely due to asteroids colliding with another, forming a huge, rocky planet. ==The Moon== [[File:FullMoon2010.jpg|thumb|The Moon]] The Moon is Earth’s only natural satellite. A natural satellite is a small bodies orbiting a bigger one. The Moon called Luna to distinguish it from other natural satellites, which are commonly just called “moons” as well. The moon has a radius of about 1737.4 km, which is about 0.27 that of Earth. The moon is one of the largest natural satellites in the solar system. While nobody knows exactly how the moon formed, a popular hypothesis is that a smaller planet about the size of Mars struck Earth early in its history and the resulting debris formed the moon. The Moon is tidally locked, which means one side is always facing Earth. How much of that side is lit up by the sun is called a lunar phase. The Moon goes from a new moon (where none of it is lit up) to a full moon (where it is completely lit up) and back again with several phases in between. The Moon is the only astronomical object besides Earth humans have ever set foot on. ==The Continents== A continent is a large area of land. The number and definition of “continent” varies between cultures. The four primary landmasses of Earth: [[Geography for Scrubs/Antartica|Antarctica]], the Americas, Afro-Eurasia, and Australia. The surrounding islands are divided up in different ways. The most common are: ====Seven continents==== *[[Geography for Scrubs/Africa|Africa]] *[[Geography for Scrubs/The Americas|North America]] *[[Geography for Scrubs/The Americas|South America]] *[[Geography for Scrubs/Europe|Europe]] *[[Geography for Scrubs/Asia|Asia]] *[[Geography for Scrubs/Antarctica|Antarctica]] *[[Geography for Scrubs/Oceania#Australia and New Zealand|Australia]] or [[Geography for Scrubs/Oceania|Oceania]] (which includes [[Geography for Scrubs/Oceania#Australia and New Zealand|New Zealand]] and much of the [[Geography for Scrubs/Pacific Ocean|Pacific]]) ====Six continents, variation 1==== *Africa *The Americas *Europe *Asia *Antarctica *Australia or Oceania ====Six continents, variation 2==== *Africa *North America *South America *Eurasia *Antarctica *Australia or Oceania ====Five continents==== *Africa *The Americas *Eurasia *Antarctica *Australia or Oceania For organizational purposes this book uses the first variant of the six continent model. ==Earth's Orbit== The Earth travels around the [[Geography for Scrubs/Sun|Sun]], and completes one orbit every year (about 365 days). The Earth is tilted slightly on its axis, which means some parts are sometimes getting more sunlight than others. This is what results in the [[Geography for Scrubs/Seasons|seasons]] for much of the world. Seasons are opposite in the north and south - it’s summer in Australia when it’s winter in America, and vice versa. The middle regions of Earth, near the [[Geography for Scrubs/Regions|equator]], do not experience seasonal changes due to getting the same amount of sunlight all year round. ==Climate== ==The International Space Station== {{GeographyForDummiesEarthNavigation}} {{BookCat}} 1lo85i8c6uwkuqenfmvqoi83cltygg8 0 479479 4637124 4592332 2026-05-23T04:01:00Z JackBot 396820 Bot: Fixing double redirect to [[Renewable Energy/Solar photovoltaic]] 4637124 wikitext text/x-wiki #REDIRECT [[Renewable Energy/Solar photovoltaic]] 181mxy91f05p0mv34g2wjcgyl4r5t05 0 480973 4637149 4611096 2026-05-23T08:18:57Z Henrifant 3497484 4637149 wikitext text/x-wiki <center><h3>'''Welcome to Antarctica!'''</h3></center> <center>Earth's southernmost and least-populated continent.</center> ---- [[File:Antarctica 6400px from Blue Marble.jpg|thumb|Antarctica as seen from space]] Antarctica is a huge frozen [[Geography for Scrubs/Climate|desert]] at the southernmost point of the world. It is the only continent with no permanent population and no officially claimed territory it (several countries claim parts of it, but can’t enforce them due to a treaty). It is mostly covered in immense [[Geography for Scrubs/Poles|glaciers]] (rivers of ice) and ice sheets, which are melting at an alarming rate due to climate change. The most famous residents of Antarctica are the penguins, flightless birds highly adept at swimming. Most life in Antarctica inhabits the coasts, surrounding [[Geography for Scrubs/Oceans|oceans]], and few areas not covered in ice. == Research & Exploration == Many countries have explored Antartica. A list of these [[Geography for Scrubs/Countries|countries]] are: * [[Geography for Scrubs/Scandinavia|Norway]] * [[Geography for Scrubs/Oceania#Australia and New Zealand|Australia]] * [[Geography for Scrubs/Oceania#Australia and New Zealand|New Zealand]] * [[Geography for Scrubs/The Americas|USA]] * [[Geography for Scrubs/Europe|Russia]] * [[Geography for Scrubs/Europe|France]] * [[Geography for Scrubs/The Americas|Argentina]] * [[Geography for Scrubs/The British Isles|United Kingdom]] {{BookCat}} h2or2vs7tevw01hr08xcejwbxtsc0sp 0 482748 4637092 4636899 2026-05-22T23:57:54Z Idavidmiller 3577687 Work in progress. Saving Changes. 4637092 wikitext text/x-wiki == Getting Started Using Maxima - Some Essentials == This section is intended for those that are new to Maxima. It may or may not be of value or interest to those having prior experience. === The Maxima Way of doing Mathematics === Imagine that you want to create a computer application to perform some general mathematical tasks - not merely numerical calculations or "number crunching" as it is sometimes referred to somewhat pejoratively. It seems likely that it would be realized early on that, unlike humans that can interpret concepts and notation using context, computers and programming software generally are intolerant of any sort of ambiguity. Progress is being made in providing programming software with the ability to interpret based on context, but not here in Maxima. The Maxima expression syntax was created to be logical as well as unambiguous and precise in meaning and intention. Another realization likely would be that mathematical expressions are the essential object on which mathematical concepts hinge, and that these concepts are conveyed using a conventional (if not entirely standard) system of notation. So, the means to compose mathematical expressions using some syntax for interpreting mathematical notation that your program could read and process as input would be essential. So Maxima is not a programming language in the conventional sense. With the foregoing in mind, before starting to see examples of Maxima in action, keep the following in mind while learning and using Maxima: * Expressions of various types (especially mathematical expressions) are the input to Maxima * Every expression returns a value which is displayed as output unless the display is suppressed by some means * Expressions as input are entered using an expression syntax that Maxima can read and process ==== Maxima expressions are of three types: ==== # Mathematical expressions # Object expressions # Programming expressions ==== Maxima expressions are comprised of two "ingredients" so to speak: ==== # Atoms # Operators ==== Atoms: ==== These are one type of the built-in basic expression ingredients of Maxima. They are: # Identifiers - names used alone or to identify other expressions by name # Literal numerals for numbers - integer, fraction, and floating point literals # Strings - quoted strings of one or more characters ==== Operators: ==== These are the second type of the built-in expression ingredients of Maxima. Including: # Mathematical operators such as + , - , * , /, ^ , ! for addition, subtraction, negation, multiplication, division, exponentiation, factorial and the like. Internally to Maxima these are short-hand symbols for operators. Maxima operators also include "functions" such as sin(x), log(x), etc. # Operators that are used to accomplish something other than for mathematical purposes '''Note:''' It is important to point out that there is a difference between operators, functions as used in the context of programming, and the mathematical concept of functions. In this book all Maxima functions in the programming sense of the word that are built-in to Maxima (that is "out-of-the-box" so to speak) will be referred to as operators, including those from loaded packages that are included with the Maxima distribution. Maxima functions in the programming sense of the word created by the user will be referred to as functions. The context should make it clear when the mathematical concept of a function is being referred to. It is unfortunately the case that the Maxima documentation refers to operators as functions. Like so much else, the word "function" has become overloaded. === A Brief Introduction to Expressions - Atoms, Identifiers and Operators === Below follows a brief introduction to Maxima expressions. All Maxima expressions are composed of '''''atoms''''' (including identifiers) and '''''operators''''', and every expression has a value. With the foregoing information in mind, Maxima can be used to provide some examples of these various aspects of working with Maxima. This will be accomplished in the spirit of providing some insight and clarity for how to interact with Maxima, and how to compose expressions for input and how to interpret the values of expressions as output. === <u>Atoms</u> === There are three types of atoms used as "ingredients" for composing Maxima expressions for input: # Identifiers # Numerical literals for representing numbers # Strings An elaboration of the technical details of each of these three types will follow in subsequent sections. In this section is a brief introduction, and examples of each of these types presented to gain a basic level of familiarity with each type of atom. ==== <u>Identifiers</u> ==== Identifiers are one type of what are termed '''''atoms''''' as used in the context of Maxima expressions, but they are unique in that they are the only type of atom that can be assigned an expression other than their literal value. Identifiers as atoms are used in Maxima expressions for two main purposes: # To be unassigned an expression, and serve as a named variable # To name an expression by way of an assignment operator Try the following using Python: <code>m + n</code><syntaxhighlight lang="python3"> >>> m + n Traceback (most recent call last): File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module> NameError: name 'm' is not defined >>> </syntaxhighlight>or using R:<syntaxhighlight lang="r"> > m + n Error: object 'm' not found > </syntaxhighlight>or using Octave:<syntaxhighlight lang="octave"> octave:1> m + n error: 'm' undefined near line 1, column 1 octave:2> </syntaxhighlight>Now, try this using Maxima:<syntaxhighlight lang="maxima"> Maxima 5.49.0 https://maxima.sourceforge.io using Lisp SBCL 2.0.1.debian Distributed under the GNU Public License. See the file COPYING. Dedicated to the memory of William Schelter. The function bug_report() provides bug reporting information. (%i1) m + n; (%o1) n + m </syntaxhighlight>Take it on faith that the identifiers <code>m</code> and <code>n</code> are in the Maxima namespace as a consequence of this expression, and that each has a value assigned by Maxima merely as a consequence of being used in the <code>m + n</code> input expression – <code>m</code> is <code>m</code> and <code>n</code> is <code>n</code> in this case.<syntaxhighlight lang="maxima"> (%i2) m; (%o2) m (%i3) n; (%o3) n </syntaxhighlight>A value for any identifier (other than itself) may never be assigned while using Maxima no matter how many times it is referenced. That is perfectly okay. Maxima doesn't care. But sometimes a value is assigned to an identifier – either the first time it is referenced or after it is first referenced:<syntaxhighlight lang="maxima"> (%i4) m : n; (m) n (%i5) m; (%o5) n (%i6) remvalue(m); (%o6) [m] (%i7) m; (%o7) m </syntaxhighlight>In the above expressions, the identifier <code>m</code> is assigned, using the <code>:</code> assignment operator, the value of identifier <code>n</code> (which is in this case <code>n</code>), and then the value of <code>m</code> is removed using the <code>remvalue()</code> operator. Thus, the value of <code>m</code> reverts to itself – <code>m</code>. These expressions, while trivial in a sense, provide some insight into an important way Maxima behaves. When identifiers are first referenced as input, they have a value – either a value through some sort of assignment, or merely the identifier name itself. Identifiers can be assigned values by different means as part of expressions as input. Below follows some examples of Maxima identifiers as a very brief introduction:<syntaxhighlight lang="maxima">(%i1) x; /* An unassigned identifier x */ (%o1) x (%i2) mass; /* An unassigned identifier name of mass */ (%o2) mass (%i3) f(x); /* An identifier f(x) for unassigned Maxima user-defined function */ (%o3) f(x) (%i4) is(x = X); /* Identifiers are case-sensitive - x is not X */ (%o4) false (%i6) y = x^2; /* Identifiers x and y used in an expression */ (%o6) y=x^2 (%i7) x : sqrt(2); /* Idenifier x assigned a value */ (x) sqrt(2) /* An identifier w(x,y,z) for a Maxima user-defined function */ (%i8) w(x,w,z) := a*x^2 + b*y^2 + c*z^2; (%o8) w(x,w,z):=a*x^2+b*y^2+c*z^2</syntaxhighlight>Maxima identifiers serve to name expressions as a value by means on some type of assignment, or they can be simply a name with a value of the name itself, in which case these unassigned identifiers may be considered to be variables. The technical details of Identifiers, assignment types, and expressions are elaborated upon in other book sections for each of these topics. ==== <u>Numerical literals for representing numbers</u> ==== There are four types of numerical literals used to compose Maxima expressions: # Integers # Fractions (for rational numbers) # Floating Point # Bigfloat (variable-precision floating point) <syntaxhighlight lang="maxima"> (%i8) 1234; /* This is an integer type. An atom */ (%o8) 1234 (%i9) 5/9; /* This is a fraction for a rational number type. Not an atom. */ (%o9) 5/9 (%i10) 3.14159; /* This is a floating point type. An atom. */ (%o10) 3.14159 (%i11) 5.532051841609784b-1; /* This is a bigfloat type. An atom */ (%o11) 5.532051841609784b-1 </syntaxhighlight> ==== <u>Strings</u> ==== Strings are simply a quoted sequence of characters: <syntaxhighlight lang="maxima"> (%i12) "a string atom"; /* This is a string atom. */ (%o12) "a string atom" (%i13) "Hello World!"; /* This is another string atom. */ (%o13) "Hello World!" (%i14) "Supercalifagilisticexpialidocious"; /* This is a longer string atom. */ (%o14) "Supercalifagilisticexpialidocious" (%i15) "C"; /* There is no Maxima character type. */ (%o15) "C" </syntaxhighlight> === <u>Operators</u> === Along with atoms, Maxima operators are the second ingredient used to form expressions used as input. There are many Maxima operators. Some are used frequently as a consequence of their utility for forming mathematical expressions. Many others are used infrequently as these operators are used for specialized purposes. {| class="wikitable" |+Operators !Operator !Operation !Notes !Type |- |<u>'''Arithmetic'''</u> | | | |- | '''+''' |addition |also unary addition prefix |n-ary infix commutative |- | '''-''' |subtaction |also unary negation prefix |binary infix noncommutative |- |'''*''' |multiplication | |n-ary infix commutative |- |'''/''' |division |or fraction |binary infix noncommutative |- |'''^''' |exponentiation | |binary postfix |- | colspan="4" | |- |<u>'''Relational'''</u> | | | |- |'''<''' |less than | |binary infix |- |'''<=''' |less than or equal | |binary infix |- |'''>''' |greater than | |binary infix |- |'''>=''' |greater thanor equal | |binary infix |- | colspan="4" | |- |<u>'''Logical'''</u> | | | |- |'''and''' |and |Operands are Boolean expressions Result is a Boolean value |n-ary infix noncommutative |- |'''not''' |not |Operand is a Boolean expression Result is a Boolean value |unary prefix |- |'''or''' |or |Operands are Boolean expressions Result is a Boolean value |n-ary infix noncommutative |- | colspan="4" | |- |<u>'''Equations'''</u> | | | |- |'''=''' |equality |Unevaluated equation | Syntactically equal |- |'''#''' |negation of syntactic equality = |Unevaluated negation of an equation |Syntactically not equal |- | colspan="4" | |- |<u>'''Assignment'''</u> | | | |- |''':''' |assignment to left hand side |evaluates right hand side | |- |'''::''' |assignment to left hand side |evaluates both sides | |- |''':=''' |function definition |does not evaluate right hand side | |- |'''::=''' |macro function definition | | |- |'''define''' () |function definition |does evaluate right hand side | |} {| class="wikitable" |+Elementary Mathematical Operators (Functions) !Operators (Functions) or Option Variables !Description !Notes ! |- |'''<u>Numbers</u>''' | | | |- |'''abs''' (''z'') |mathematical absolute value |works for both numerical and symbolic values | |- |'''ceiling''' (x) |returns the least integer that is greater than or equal to <var>x</var> | | |- |'''entier''' <var>(x)</var> |returns the largest integer less than or equal to <var>x</var> where <var>x</var> is numeric | | |- |'''floor''' <var>(x)</var> |returns the largest integer that is less than or equal to <var>x</var> | | |- |'''fix''' <var>(x)</var> |a synonym for entier (x) | | |- |'''hstep''' <var>(x)</var> |the Heaviside unit step function | | |- |'''lmax''' <var>(L)</var> |when <var>L</var> is a list or a set, return <code>apply ('max, args (<var>L</var>))</code> | | |- |'''lmin''' <var>(L)</var> |When <var>L</var> is a list or a set, return <code>apply ('m</code><code>in, args (<var>L</var>))</code> | | |- |'''max''' <var>(x_1, …, x_n)</var> |returns a simplified value for the numerical maximum of the expressions <var>x_1</var> through <var>x_n</var> | | |- |'''min''' <var>(x_1, …, x_n)</var> |returns a simplified value for the numerical minimum of the expressions <var>x_1</var> through <var>x_n</var>. | | |- |'''round''' <var>(x)</var> |when <var>x</var> is a real number, returns the closest integer to <var>x</var> | | |- |'''signum''' <var>(x)</var> |for either real or complex numbers <var>x</var>, the '''signum''' function returns 0 if <var>x</var> is zero; for a nonzero numeric input <var>x</var>, the '''signum''' function returns <code>x/abs(x)</code> | | |- |'''truncate''' <var>(x)</var> |when x is a real number, return the closest integer to x not greater in absolute value than ''x'' | | |- | colspan="4" | |- |'''<u>Complex</u>''' '''<u>Numbers</u>''' | | | |- |'''cabs''' <var>(expr)</var> |returns the absolute value of an expression representing a complex number | | |- |'''carg''' <var>(z)</var> |returns the complex argument of ''z'' | | |- |'''conjugate''' <var>(x)</var> |returns the complex conjugate of ''x'' | | |- |'''imagpart''' <var>(expr)</var> |returns the imaginary part of the expression ''expr'' | | |- |'''polarform''' <var>(expr)</var> |returns an expression <code>r %e^(%i theta)</code> equivalent to ''expr'', such that ''r'' and ''theta'' are purely real | | |- |'''realpart''' <var>(expr)</var> |returns the real part of <var>expr</var> | | |- |'''rectform''' <var>(expr)</var> |returns an expression <code>a + b %i</code> equivalent to <var>expr</var>, such that <var>a</var> and <var>b</var> are purely real | | |- | colspan="4" | |- |'''<u>Combinatorial</u>''' | | | |- |'''!!''' |the double factorial operator | | |- |'''binomial''' <var>(x, y)</var> |returns the binomial coefficient <code><var>x</var>!/(<var>y</var>! (<var>x</var> - <var>y</var>)!)</code>. | | |- |'''factcomb''' <var>(expr)</var> |tries to combine the coefficients of factorials in <var>expr</var> with the factorials themselves | by converting for example, <code>(n + 1)*n!</code> into <code>(n + 1)!</code>. | |- |'''factorial''' ''(x)'' '''!''' |returns the factorial of ''x'' |<code>factorial (<var>x</var>)</code> the same as <code><var>x</var>!</code> | |- |'''factlim''' |specifies the highest factorial which is automatically expanded |option variable default: 100000 | |- |'''factorial_expand''' |controls the simplification of expressions like <code>(x+n)!</code>, where <code>n</code> is an integer |option variable default: false | |- |'''genfact''' <var>(x, y, z)</var> |returns the generalized factorial, defined as <code>x (x-z) (x - 2 z) ... (x - (y - 1) z)</code> |when <var>x</var> is an integer, <code>genfact (x, x, 1) = x!</code> and <code>genfact (x, x/2, 2) = x!!</code> | |- |'''minfactorial''' <var>(expr)</var> |examines <var>expr</var> for occurrences of two factorials which differ by an integer |<code>minfactorial</code>then turns one into a polynomial times the other | |- |'''sumsplitfact''' |when <code>sumsplitfact</code> is <code>false</code>, <code>minfactorial</code> is applied after a <code>factcomb</code> |option variable default: true | |- | colspan="4" | |- |'''<u>Root</u>''' '''<u>Exponential</u>''' '''<u>Logarithmic</u>''' | | | |- |'''%e_to_numlog''' |when <code>true</code>, <code>r</code> some rational number, and <code>x</code> some expression, <code>%e^(r*log(x))</code> will be simplified into <code>x^r</code> |option variable default: false | |- |'''%emode''' |when <code>%emode</code> is <code>true</code>, <code>%e^(%pi %i x)</code> is simplified |option variable default: true | |- |'''%enumer''' |when <code>%enumer</code> is <code>true</code>, <code>%e</code> is replaced by its numeric value 2.718… whenever <code>numer</code> is <code>true</code>. |option variable default: false | |- |'''exp''' <var>(x)</var> |represents the exponential function | | |- |'''li''' <var>[s] (z)</var> |represents the polylogarithm function of order <var>s</var> and argument <var>z</var>, defined by an infinite series | | |- |'''log''' <var>(x)</var> |represents the natural (base ) logarithm of <var>x</var>. |Maxima does not have a built-in function for the base 10 logarithm or other bases | |- |'''logabs''' |when doing indefinite integration where logs are generated, e.g. <code>integrate(1/x,x)</code>, the answer is given in terms of <code>log(abs(...))</code> if <code>logabs</code> is <code>true</code>, but in terms of <code>log(...)</code>if <code>logabs</code> is <code>false</code> for definite integration, the <code>logabs:true</code> setting is used, because here "evaluation" of the indefinite integral at the endpoints is often needed |option variable default: false | |- |'''logarc''' <var>(expr)</var> |carries out the replacement of inverse circular and hyperbolic functions with equivalent logarithmic functions for an expression <var>expr</var> without setting the global variable <code>logarc</code> | | |- | '''logarc''' |when the global variable <code>logarc</code> is <code>true</code>, inverse circular and hyperbolic functions are replaced by equivalent logarithmic functions. |option variable default: false | |- |'''logconcoeffp''' |controls which coefficients are contracted when using <code>logcontract</code> |option variable default: false | |- |'''logcontract''' <var>(expr)</var> |recursively scans the expression <var>expr</var>, transforming subexpressions of the form <code>a1*log(b1) + a2*log(b2) + c</code> into <code>log(ratsimp(b1^a1 * b2^a2)) + c</code> | | |- |'''logexpand''' |if <code>true</code>, that is the default value, causes <code>log(a^b)</code> to become <code>b*log(a)</code> If it is set to <code>all</code>, <code>log(a*b)</code> will also simplify to <code>log(a)+log(b)</code> If it is set to <code>super</code>, then <code>log(a/b)</code>will also simplify to <code>log(a)-log(b)</code> for rational numbers <code>a/b</code>, <code>a#1</code>(<code>log(1/b)</code>, for integer <code>b</code>, always simplifies.) if it is set to <code>false</code>, all of these simplifications will be turned off |option variable default: true | |- |'''lognegint''' |implements the rule <code>log(-n) -> log(n)+%i*%pi</code> for <code>n</code> a positive integer if <code>true</code> |option variable default: false | |- |'''logsimp''' |if <code>false</code> then no simplification of <code>%e</code> to a power containing <code>log</code> is done |option variable default: true | |- | '''plog''' <var>(x)</var> |represents the principal branch of the complex-valued natural logarithm with <code>-%pi < carg(<var>x</var>) <= +%pi</code> | | |- |'''sqrt''' <var>(x)</var> |the square root of <var>x</var>. It is represented internally by <code><var>x</var>^(1/2)</code> | | |- | colspan="4" | |- |'''<u>Trigonometric</u>''' '''<u>Hyperbolic</u>''' | | | |- |'''acos''' <var>(x)</var> |arc cosine | | |- |'''acosh''' <var>(x)</var> |hyperbolic arc cosine | | |- |'''acot''' <var>(x)</var> |arc cotangent | | |- |'''acoth''' <var>(x)</var> |hyperbolic arc cotangent. | | |- | '''acsc''' <var>(x</var><var>)</var> |arc cosecant | | |- |'''acsch''' <var>(x)</var> |hyperbolic arc cosecant | | |- | '''asec''' <var>(x)</var> |arc secant. | | |- |'''asech''' <var>(x)</var> |hyperbolic arc secant | | |- |'''asin''' <var>(x</var><var>)</var> |arc sine | | |- |'''asinh''' <var>(x)</var> |hyperbolic arc sine | | |- |'''atan''' <var>(x)</var> |arc tangent | | |- |'''atan2''' <var>(y, x)</var> |returns the value of <math display="inline">\tan^{-1}(y/x) </math> in the interval <math display="inline">(- \pi) \ to\ (\pi) </math> taking into consideration the quadrant of the point ''(x,y)'' | | |- |'''atanh''' <var>(x)</var> |hyperbolic arc tangent | | |- |'''cos''' <var>(x)</var> |cosine | | |- |'''cosh''' <var>(x)</var> |hyperbolic cosine | | |- |'''cot''' <var>(x)</var> |cotangent | | |- |'''coth''' <var>(x)</var> |hyperbolic cotangent | | |- |'''csc''' <var>(x)</var> |cosecant | | |- | '''csch''' <var>(x)</var> |hyperbolic cosecant | | |- |'''sec''' <var>(x)</var> |secant | | |- |'''sech''' <var>(x)</var> |hyperbolic secant | | |- |'''sin''' <var>(x)</var> |sine | | |- |'''sinh''' <var>(x</var> | O | | |- |'''tan''' <var>(x)</var> |tangent | | |- |'''tanh''' <var>(x)</var> |hyperbolic tangent | | |- | colspan="4" | |- |'''<u>Random</u>''' '''<u>Numbers</u>''' | | | |- |'''make_random_state''' () |a random state object represents the state of the random number generator | | |- |'''set_random_state''' <var>(s)</var> |copies <var>s</var> to the random number generator state | | |- |'''random''' <var>(x)</var> |returns a pseudorandom number | | |- | | | | |} === Maxima Expressions === For the purpose of review, Maxima expressions are of three types: # Mathematical expressions # Object expressions # Programming expressions Object expressions and programming expressions are for use in support of the intended purpose of Maxima – a computer algebra system. Mathematical expressions are those that are the essential type for doing mathematics using Maxima. ==== Mathematical Expressions ==== Mathematical expressions consist of atoms and operators that are of a mathematical nature. Mathematical expressions can be simple to relatively complex. It is helpful to understand the anatomy of Maxima expressions in terms of atoms and operators. Some expressions can consist of a single atom, but more likely it will be the case that expressions will be comprised of atoms and operators. The simplest expressions can consists of a single atom:<syntaxhighlight lang="maxima">(%i1) 5; /* an integer atom */ (%o1) 5 (%i2) 3.14159; /* a floating point atom */ (%o2) 3.14159 (%i3) 77.3987483627298298277627928389828329382983b0; /* a bigfloat atom */ (%o3) 7.739874836272983b1 (%i4) x; /* an unassigned identifier atom */ (%o4) x</syntaxhighlight>Atoms are "self-evaluating" in the sense that they return themselves as values. Expressions such as these are not very useful, but they are the simplest example of mathematical expressions. Fractions for literal rational numbers are simple expressions entered as follows, but are not atoms:<syntaxhighlight lang="maxima"> (%i5) 12/33; /* A fraction expression. Maxima simplfies the expression as output */ (%o5) 4/11 (%i6) atom(12/33); /* The fraction expression is not an atom */ (%o6) false (%i8) op(12/33); /* The overall operation of this expression is / */ (%o8) / </syntaxhighlight>Maxima evaluates the division of integers as rational numbers, and simplifies the return value if possible:<syntaxhighlight lang="maxima"> (%i09) 12/33 * 3/4; /* multiplication of fractions */ (%o09) 3/11 (%i10) (12/33) / (4/3); /* division of fractions */ (%o10) 3/11 (%i11) 3/8 + 13/4; /* addition of fractions */ (%o11) 29/8 </syntaxhighlight>Maxima will resolve mixed numerical types in expressions as returned values in a manner which might be expected :<syntaxhighlight lang="maxima"> (%i12) 3/2 * 5; /* fraction and an integer */ (%o12) 15/2 (%i13) 3/2 * 5.0; /* fraction and floating point */ (%o13) 7.5 (%i14) 12.0/33; /* floating point and an integer */ (%o14) 0.36363636363636365 (%i15) 0.36363636363636365*0.36363636363636365b0; /* floating point and bigfloat */ (%o15) 1.322314049586777b-1 </syntaxhighlight>Some expressions remain "symbolic" numerically, and are not simplified or returned as a number type:<syntaxhighlight lang="maxima"> (%i16) sqrt(2); /* an algebraic irrational */ (%o16) sqrt(2) (%i17) 3*5^(1/3); /* another algebraic irratioanl */ (%o17) 3*5^(1/3) </syntaxhighlight>Built-in numerical constants are atoms. Numerical expressions involving one or more operators are not, unless the expression evaluates to an atom:<syntaxhighlight lang="maxima"> (%i18) %pi; /* a trancendental built-in constant */ (%o18) %pi (%i20) atom(%pi); /* a trancendental built-in constant */ (%o20) true (%i20) atom(%e); /* a trancendental built-in constant */ (%o20) true (%i21) atom(%i); /* i is a built-in constant */ (%o21) true (%i22) atom(sqrt(2)); /* sqrt(2) in not an atom */ (%o22) false (%i23) atom(3*5^(1/3)); /* 3*5^(1/3) is not an atom */ (%o23) false (%i24) atom(3+5); /* 3+5 evaluates to 8 which is an atom*/ (%o24) true (%i25) atom((5^2)*3.14159); /* (5^2)*3.14159) evaluates to 78.53975 which is an atom */ (%o25) true </syntaxhighlight>An important point to understand is that expressions when evaluated may have a return value that is an atom or is not an atom:<syntaxhighlight lang="maxima"> (%i26) atom(3+5); /* */ (%o26) true (%i27) (5^2)*3.14159 /* */ (%o27) true (%i28) (5^2)*3.14159; /* */ (%o28) 78.53975 (%i29) op(3+5); /* */ part: argument must be a non-atomic expression; found 8 -- an error. To debug this try: debugmode(true); </syntaxhighlight>More useful and interesting expressions involve identifiers, However, expressions involving identifiers and operators may or may not have a value that is atomic:<syntaxhighlight lang="maxima"> (%i30) atom(z); /* */ (%o30) true (%i31) atom(3); /* */ (%o31) true (%i32) atom(z+3); /* */ (%o32) false (%i33) op(z+3); /* */ (%o33) + (%i34) z:5; /* */ (z) 5 (%i35) atom(z+3); /* */ (%o35) true </syntaxhighlight>These examples may seem simple, but what is exemplified by these simple expressions applies no matter how complex the expression may be:<syntaxhighlight lang="maxima"> (%i36) expr1:(1/(15^2 + 20^2 -2*15*20*cos(%pi/3))^(1/2)); (expr1) 1/(5*sqrt(13)) (%i37) atom(expr1); (%o37) false (%i38) float(expr1); (%o38) 0.05547001962252292 (%i39) atom(float(expr1)); (%o39) true (%i40) expr2:integrate(w^2, w, 0, 4); (expr2) 64/3 (%i41) atom(integrate(w^2, w, 0, 4)); (%o41) false (%i42) op(expr2); (%o42) / (%i43) op('integrate(w^2, w, 0, 4)); (%o43) integrate (%i44) 2*s^2+5*s+1; (%o44) 2*s^2+5*s+1 (%45) solve(2*s^2+5*s+1,s); (%o45) [s=-((sqrt(17)+5)/4),s=(sqrt(17)-5)/4] (%i46) rhs(solve(2*s^2+5*s+1,s)[1]); (%o46) -((sqrt(17)+5)/4) (%i47) atom(rhs(solve(2*s^2+5*s+1,s)[1])); (%o47) false (%i48) ans:float(rhs(solve(2*s^2+5*s+1,s)[1])); (ans) -2.2807764064044154 (%i49) atom(ans); (%o49) true </syntaxhighlight> ; {{BookCat}} mvmtqd6bfih8oozcy0qezmveje95nvf 4637093 4637092 2026-05-23T00:01:54Z Idavidmiller 3577687 4637093 wikitext text/x-wiki == Getting Started Using Maxima - Some Essentials == This section is intended for those that are new to Maxima. It may or may not be of value or interest to those having prior experience. === The Maxima Way of doing Mathematics === Imagine that you want to create a computer application to perform some general mathematical tasks - not merely numerical calculations or "number crunching" as it is sometimes referred to somewhat pejoratively. It seems likely that it would be realized early on that, unlike humans that can interpret concepts and notation using context, computers and programming software generally are intolerant of any sort of ambiguity. Progress is being made in providing programming software with the ability to interpret based on context, but not here in Maxima. The Maxima expression syntax was created to be logical as well as unambiguous and precise in meaning and intention. Another realization likely would be that mathematical expressions are the essential object on which mathematical concepts hinge, and that these concepts are conveyed using a conventional (if not entirely standard) system of notation. So, the means to compose mathematical expressions using some syntax for interpreting mathematical notation that your program could read and process as input would be essential. So Maxima is not a programming language in the conventional sense. With the foregoing in mind, before starting to see examples of Maxima in action, keep the following in mind while learning and using Maxima: * Expressions of various types (especially mathematical expressions) are the input to Maxima * Every expression returns a value which is displayed as output unless the display is suppressed by some means * Expressions as input are entered using an expression syntax that Maxima can read and process ==== Maxima expressions are of three types: ==== # Mathematical expressions # Object expressions # Programming expressions ==== Maxima expressions are comprised of two "ingredients" so to speak: ==== # Atoms # Operators ==== Atoms: ==== These are one type of the built-in basic expression ingredients of Maxima. They are: # Identifiers - names used alone or to identify other expressions by name # Literal numerals for numbers - integer, fraction, and floating point literals # Strings - quoted strings of one or more characters ==== Operators: ==== These are the second type of the built-in expression ingredients of Maxima. Including: # Mathematical operators such as + , - , * , /, ^ , ! for addition, subtraction, negation, multiplication, division, exponentiation, factorial and the like. Internally to Maxima these are short-hand symbols for operators. Maxima operators also include "functions" such as sin(x), log(x), etc. # Operators that are used to accomplish something other than for mathematical purposes '''Note:''' It is important to point out that there is a difference between operators, functions as used in the context of programming, and the mathematical concept of functions. In this book all Maxima functions in the programming sense of the word that are built-in to Maxima (that is "out-of-the-box" so to speak) will be referred to as operators, including those from loaded packages that are included with the Maxima distribution. Maxima functions in the programming sense of the word created by the user will be referred to as functions. The context should make it clear when the mathematical concept of a function is being referred to. It is unfortunately the case that the Maxima documentation refers to operators as functions. Like so much else, the word "function" has become overloaded. === A Brief Introduction to Expressions - Atoms, Identifiers and Operators === Below follows a brief introduction to Maxima expressions. All Maxima expressions are composed of '''''atoms''''' (including identifiers) and '''''operators''''', and every expression has a value. With the foregoing information in mind, Maxima can be used to provide some examples of these various aspects of working with Maxima. This will be accomplished in the spirit of providing some insight and clarity for how to interact with Maxima, and how to compose expressions for input and how to interpret the values of expressions as output. === <u>Atoms</u> === There are three types of atoms used as "ingredients" for composing Maxima expressions for input: # Identifiers # Numerical literals for representing numbers # Strings An elaboration of the technical details of each of these three types will follow in subsequent sections. In this section is a brief introduction, and examples of each of these types presented to gain a basic level of familiarity with each type of atom. ==== <u>Identifiers</u> ==== Identifiers are one type of what are termed '''''atoms''''' as used in the context of Maxima expressions, but they are unique in that they are the only type of atom that can be assigned an expression other than their literal value. Identifiers as atoms are used in Maxima expressions for two main purposes: # To be unassigned an expression, and serve as a named variable # To name an expression by way of an assignment operator Try the following using Python: <code>m + n</code><syntaxhighlight lang="python3"> >>> m + n Traceback (most recent call last): File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module> NameError: name 'm' is not defined >>> </syntaxhighlight>or using R:<syntaxhighlight lang="r"> > m + n Error: object 'm' not found > </syntaxhighlight>or using Octave:<syntaxhighlight lang="octave"> octave:1> m + n error: 'm' undefined near line 1, column 1 octave:2> </syntaxhighlight>Now, try this using Maxima:<syntaxhighlight lang="maxima"> Maxima 5.49.0 https://maxima.sourceforge.io using Lisp SBCL 2.0.1.debian Distributed under the GNU Public License. See the file COPYING. Dedicated to the memory of William Schelter. The function bug_report() provides bug reporting information. (%i1) m + n; (%o1) n + m </syntaxhighlight>Take it on faith that the identifiers <code>m</code> and <code>n</code> are in the Maxima namespace as a consequence of this expression, and that each has a value assigned by Maxima merely as a consequence of being used in the <code>m + n</code> input expression – <code>m</code> is <code>m</code> and <code>n</code> is <code>n</code> in this case.<syntaxhighlight lang="maxima"> (%i2) m; (%o2) m (%i3) n; (%o3) n </syntaxhighlight>A value for any identifier (other than itself) may never be assigned while using Maxima no matter how many times it is referenced. That is perfectly okay. Maxima doesn't care. But sometimes a value is assigned to an identifier – either the first time it is referenced or after it is first referenced:<syntaxhighlight lang="maxima"> (%i4) m : n; (m) n (%i5) m; (%o5) n (%i6) remvalue(m); (%o6) [m] (%i7) m; (%o7) m </syntaxhighlight>In the above expressions, the identifier <code>m</code> is assigned, using the <code>:</code> assignment operator, the value of identifier <code>n</code> (which is in this case <code>n</code>), and then the value of <code>m</code> is removed using the <code>remvalue()</code> operator. Thus, the value of <code>m</code> reverts to itself – <code>m</code>. These expressions, while trivial in a sense, provide some insight into an important way Maxima behaves. When identifiers are first referenced as input, they have a value – either a value through some sort of assignment, or merely the identifier name itself. Identifiers can be assigned values by different means as part of expressions as input. Below follows some examples of Maxima identifiers as a very brief introduction:<syntaxhighlight lang="maxima">(%i1) x; /* An unassigned identifier x */ (%o1) x (%i2) mass; /* An unassigned identifier name of mass */ (%o2) mass (%i3) f(x); /* An identifier f(x) for unassigned Maxima user-defined function */ (%o3) f(x) (%i4) is(x = X); /* Identifiers are case-sensitive - x is not X */ (%o4) false (%i6) y = x^2; /* Identifiers x and y used in an expression */ (%o6) y=x^2 (%i7) x : sqrt(2); /* Idenifier x assigned a value */ (x) sqrt(2) /* An identifier w(x,y,z) for a Maxima user-defined function */ (%i8) w(x,w,z) := a*x^2 + b*y^2 + c*z^2; (%o8) w(x,w,z):=a*x^2+b*y^2+c*z^2</syntaxhighlight>Maxima identifiers serve to name expressions as a value by means on some type of assignment, or they can be simply a name with a value of the name itself, in which case these unassigned identifiers may be considered to be variables. The technical details of Identifiers, assignment types, and expressions are elaborated upon in other book sections for each of these topics. ==== <u>Numerical literals for representing numbers</u> ==== There are four types of numerical literals used to compose Maxima expressions: # Integers # Fractions (for rational numbers) # Floating Point # Bigfloat (variable-precision floating point) <syntaxhighlight lang="maxima"> (%i8) 1234; /* This is an integer type. An atom */ (%o8) 1234 (%i9) 5/9; /* This is a fraction for a rational number type. Not an atom. */ (%o9) 5/9 (%i10) 3.14159; /* This is a floating point type. An atom. */ (%o10) 3.14159 (%i11) 5.532051841609784b-1; /* This is a bigfloat type. An atom */ (%o11) 5.532051841609784b-1 </syntaxhighlight> ==== <u>Strings</u> ==== Strings are simply a quoted sequence of characters: <syntaxhighlight lang="maxima"> (%i12) "a string atom"; /* This is a string atom. */ (%o12) "a string atom" (%i13) "Hello World!"; /* This is another string atom. */ (%o13) "Hello World!" (%i14) "Supercalifagilisticexpialidocious"; /* This is a longer string atom. */ (%o14) "Supercalifagilisticexpialidocious" (%i15) "C"; /* There is no Maxima character type. */ (%o15) "C" </syntaxhighlight> === <u>Operators</u> === Along with atoms, Maxima operators are the second ingredient used to form expressions used as input. There are many Maxima operators. Some are used frequently as a consequence of their utility for forming mathematical expressions. Many others are used infrequently as these operators are used for specialized purposes. {| class="wikitable" |+Operators !Operator !Operation !Notes !Type |- |<u>'''Arithmetic'''</u> | | | |- | '''+''' |addition |also unary addition prefix |n-ary infix commutative |- | '''-''' |subtaction |also unary negation prefix |binary infix noncommutative |- |'''*''' |multiplication | |n-ary infix commutative |- |'''/''' |division |or fraction |binary infix noncommutative |- |'''^''' |exponentiation | |binary postfix |- | colspan="4" | |- |<u>'''Relational'''</u> | | | |- |'''<''' |less than | |binary infix |- |'''<=''' |less than or equal | |binary infix |- |'''>''' |greater than | |binary infix |- |'''>=''' |greater thanor equal | |binary infix |- | colspan="4" | |- |<u>'''Logical'''</u> | | | |- |'''and''' |and |Operands are Boolean expressions Result is a Boolean value |n-ary infix noncommutative |- |'''not''' |not |Operand is a Boolean expression Result is a Boolean value |unary prefix |- |'''or''' |or |Operands are Boolean expressions Result is a Boolean value |n-ary infix noncommutative |- | colspan="4" | |- |<u>'''Equations'''</u> | | | |- |'''=''' |equality |Unevaluated equation | Syntactically equal |- |'''#''' |negation of syntactic equality = |Unevaluated negation of an equation |Syntactically not equal |- | colspan="4" | |- |<u>'''Assignment'''</u> | | | |- |''':''' |assignment to left hand side |evaluates right hand side | |- |'''::''' |assignment to left hand side |evaluates both sides | |- |''':=''' |function definition |does not evaluate right hand side | |- |'''::=''' |macro function definition | | |- |'''define''' () |function definition |does evaluate right hand side | |} {| class="wikitable" |+Elementary Mathematical Operators (Functions) !Operators (Functions) or Option Variables !Description !Notes ! |- |'''<u>Numbers</u>''' | | | |- |'''abs''' (''z'') |mathematical absolute value |works for both numerical and symbolic values | |- |'''ceiling''' (x) |returns the least integer that is greater than or equal to <var>x</var> | | |- |'''entier''' <var>(x)</var> |returns the largest integer less than or equal to <var>x</var> where <var>x</var> is numeric | | |- |'''floor''' <var>(x)</var> |returns the largest integer that is less than or equal to <var>x</var> | | |- |'''fix''' <var>(x)</var> |a synonym for entier (x) | | |- |'''hstep''' <var>(x)</var> |the Heaviside unit step function | | |- |'''lmax''' <var>(L)</var> |when <var>L</var> is a list or a set, return <code>apply ('max, args (<var>L</var>))</code> | | |- |'''lmin''' <var>(L)</var> |When <var>L</var> is a list or a set, return <code>apply ('m</code><code>in, args (<var>L</var>))</code> | | |- |'''max''' <var>(x_1, …, x_n)</var> |returns a simplified value for the numerical maximum of the expressions <var>x_1</var> through <var>x_n</var> | | |- |'''min''' <var>(x_1, …, x_n)</var> |returns a simplified value for the numerical minimum of the expressions <var>x_1</var> through <var>x_n</var>. | | |- |'''round''' <var>(x)</var> |when <var>x</var> is a real number, returns the closest integer to <var>x</var> | | |- |'''signum''' <var>(x)</var> |for either real or complex numbers <var>x</var>, the '''signum''' function returns 0 if <var>x</var> is zero; for a nonzero numeric input <var>x</var>, the '''signum''' function returns <code>x/abs(x)</code> | | |- |'''truncate''' <var>(x)</var> |when x is a real number, return the closest integer to x not greater in absolute value than ''x'' | | |- | colspan="4" | |- |'''<u>Complex</u>''' '''<u>Numbers</u>''' | | | |- |'''cabs''' <var>(expr)</var> |returns the absolute value of an expression representing a complex number | | |- |'''carg''' <var>(z)</var> |returns the complex argument of ''z'' | | |- |'''conjugate''' <var>(x)</var> |returns the complex conjugate of ''x'' | | |- |'''imagpart''' <var>(expr)</var> |returns the imaginary part of the expression ''expr'' | | |- |'''polarform''' <var>(expr)</var> |returns an expression <code>r %e^(%i theta)</code> equivalent to ''expr'', such that ''r'' and ''theta'' are purely real | | |- |'''realpart''' <var>(expr)</var> |returns the real part of <var>expr</var> | | |- |'''rectform''' <var>(expr)</var> |returns an expression <code>a + b %i</code> equivalent to <var>expr</var>, such that <var>a</var> and <var>b</var> are purely real | | |- | colspan="4" | |- |'''<u>Combinatorial</u>''' | | | |- |'''!!''' |the double factorial operator | | |- |'''binomial''' <var>(x, y)</var> |returns the binomial coefficient <code><var>x</var>!/(<var>y</var>! (<var>x</var> - <var>y</var>)!)</code>. | | |- |'''factcomb''' <var>(expr)</var> |tries to combine the coefficients of factorials in <var>expr</var> with the factorials themselves | by converting for example, <code>(n + 1)*n!</code> into <code>(n + 1)!</code>. | |- |'''factorial''' ''(x)'' '''!''' |returns the factorial of ''x'' |<code>factorial (<var>x</var>)</code> the same as <code><var>x</var>!</code> | |- |'''factlim''' |specifies the highest factorial which is automatically expanded |option variable default: 100000 | |- |'''factorial_expand''' |controls the simplification of expressions like <code>(x+n)!</code>, where <code>n</code> is an integer |option variable default: false | |- |'''genfact''' <var>(x, y, z)</var> |returns the generalized factorial, defined as <code>x (x-z) (x - 2 z) ... (x - (y - 1) z)</code> |when <var>x</var> is an integer, <code>genfact (x, x, 1) = x!</code> and <code>genfact (x, x/2, 2) = x!!</code> | |- |'''minfactorial''' <var>(expr)</var> |examines <var>expr</var> for occurrences of two factorials which differ by an integer |<code>minfactorial</code>then turns one into a polynomial times the other | |- |'''sumsplitfact''' |when <code>sumsplitfact</code> is <code>false</code>, <code>minfactorial</code> is applied after a <code>factcomb</code> |option variable default: true | |- | colspan="4" | |- |'''<u>Root</u>''' '''<u>Exponential</u>''' '''<u>Logarithmic</u>''' | | | |- |'''%e_to_numlog''' |when <code>true</code>, <code>r</code> some rational number, and <code>x</code> some expression, <code>%e^(r*log(x))</code> will be simplified into <code>x^r</code> |option variable default: false | |- |'''%emode''' |when <code>%emode</code> is <code>true</code>, <code>%e^(%pi %i x)</code> is simplified |option variable default: true | |- |'''%enumer''' |when <code>%enumer</code> is <code>true</code>, <code>%e</code> is replaced by its numeric value 2.718… whenever <code>numer</code> is <code>true</code>. |option variable default: false | |- |'''exp''' <var>(x)</var> |represents the exponential function | | |- |'''li''' <var>[s] (z)</var> |represents the polylogarithm function of order <var>s</var> and argument <var>z</var>, defined by an infinite series | | |- |'''log''' <var>(x)</var> |represents the natural (base ) logarithm of <var>x</var>. |Maxima does not have a built-in function for the base 10 logarithm or other bases | |- |'''logabs''' |when doing indefinite integration where logs are generated, e.g. <code>integrate(1/x,x)</code>, the answer is given in terms of <code>log(abs(...))</code> if <code>logabs</code> is <code>true</code>, but in terms of <code>log(...)</code>if <code>logabs</code> is <code>false</code> for definite integration, the <code>logabs:true</code> setting is used, because here "evaluation" of the indefinite integral at the endpoints is often needed |option variable default: false | |- |'''logarc''' <var>(expr)</var> |carries out the replacement of inverse circular and hyperbolic functions with equivalent logarithmic functions for an expression <var>expr</var> without setting the global variable <code>logarc</code> | | |- | '''logarc''' |when the global variable <code>logarc</code> is <code>true</code>, inverse circular and hyperbolic functions are replaced by equivalent logarithmic functions. |option variable default: false | |- |'''logconcoeffp''' |controls which coefficients are contracted when using <code>logcontract</code> |option variable default: false | |- |'''logcontract''' <var>(expr)</var> |recursively scans the expression <var>expr</var>, transforming subexpressions of the form <code>a1*log(b1) + a2*log(b2) + c</code> into <code>log(ratsimp(b1^a1 * b2^a2)) + c</code> | | |- |'''logexpand''' |if <code>true</code>, that is the default value, causes <code>log(a^b)</code> to become <code>b*log(a)</code> If it is set to <code>all</code>, <code>log(a*b)</code> will also simplify to <code>log(a)+log(b)</code> If it is set to <code>super</code>, then <code>log(a/b)</code>will also simplify to <code>log(a)-log(b)</code> for rational numbers <code>a/b</code>, <code>a#1</code>(<code>log(1/b)</code>, for integer <code>b</code>, always simplifies.) if it is set to <code>false</code>, all of these simplifications will be turned off |option variable default: true | |- |'''lognegint''' |implements the rule <code>log(-n) -> log(n)+%i*%pi</code> for <code>n</code> a positive integer if <code>true</code> |option variable default: false | |- |'''logsimp''' |if <code>false</code> then no simplification of <code>%e</code> to a power containing <code>log</code> is done |option variable default: true | |- | '''plog''' <var>(x)</var> |represents the principal branch of the complex-valued natural logarithm with <code>-%pi < carg(<var>x</var>) <= +%pi</code> | | |- |'''sqrt''' <var>(x)</var> |the square root of <var>x</var>. It is represented internally by <code><var>x</var>^(1/2)</code> | | |- | colspan="4" | |- |'''<u>Trigonometric</u>''' '''<u>Hyperbolic</u>''' | | | |- |'''acos''' <var>(x)</var> |arc cosine | | |- |'''acosh''' <var>(x)</var> |hyperbolic arc cosine | | |- |'''acot''' <var>(x)</var> |arc cotangent | | |- |'''acoth''' <var>(x)</var> |hyperbolic arc cotangent. | | |- | '''acsc''' <var>(x</var><var>)</var> |arc cosecant | | |- |'''acsch''' <var>(x)</var> |hyperbolic arc cosecant | | |- | '''asec''' <var>(x)</var> |arc secant. | | |- |'''asech''' <var>(x)</var> |hyperbolic arc secant | | |- |'''asin''' <var>(x</var><var>)</var> |arc sine | | |- |'''asinh''' <var>(x)</var> |hyperbolic arc sine | | |- |'''atan''' <var>(x)</var> |arc tangent | | |- |'''atan2''' <var>(y, x)</var> |returns the value of <math display="inline">\tan^{-1}(y/x) </math> in the interval <math display="inline">(- \pi) \ to\ (\pi) </math> taking into consideration the quadrant of the point ''(x,y)'' | | |- |'''atanh''' <var>(x)</var> |hyperbolic arc tangent | | |- |'''cos''' <var>(x)</var> |cosine | | |- |'''cosh''' <var>(x)</var> |hyperbolic cosine | | |- |'''cot''' <var>(x)</var> |cotangent | | |- |'''coth''' <var>(x)</var> |hyperbolic cotangent | | |- |'''csc''' <var>(x)</var> |cosecant | | |- | '''csch''' <var>(x)</var> |hyperbolic cosecant | | |- |'''sec''' <var>(x)</var> |secant | | |- |'''sech''' <var>(x)</var> |hyperbolic secant | | |- |'''sin''' <var>(x)</var> |sine | | |- |'''sinh''' <var>(x</var> | O | | |- |'''tan''' <var>(x)</var> |tangent | | |- |'''tanh''' <var>(x)</var> |hyperbolic tangent | | |- | colspan="4" | |- |'''<u>Random</u>''' '''<u>Numbers</u>''' | | | |- |'''make_random_state''' () |a random state object represents the state of the random number generator | | |- |'''set_random_state''' <var>(s)</var> |copies <var>s</var> to the random number generator state | | |- |'''random''' <var>(x)</var> |returns a pseudorandom number | | |- | | | | |} === Maxima Expressions === For the purpose of review, Maxima expressions are of three types: # Mathematical expressions # Object expressions # Programming expressions Object expressions and programming expressions are for use in support of the intended purpose of Maxima – a computer algebra system. Mathematical expressions are those that are the essential type for doing mathematics using Maxima. ==== Mathematical Expressions ==== Mathematical expressions consist of atoms and operators that are of a mathematical nature. Mathematical expressions can be simple to relatively complex. It is helpful to understand the anatomy of Maxima expressions in terms of atoms and operators. Some expressions can consist of a single atom, but more likely it will be the case that expressions will be comprised of atoms and operators. The simplest expressions can consists of a single atom:<syntaxhighlight lang="maxima">(%i1) 5; /* an integer atom */ (%o1) 5 (%i2) 3.14159; /* a floating point atom */ (%o2) 3.14159 (%i3) 77.3987483627298298277627928389828329382983b0; /* a bigfloat atom */ (%o3) 7.739874836272983b1 (%i4) x; /* an unassigned identifier atom */ (%o4) x</syntaxhighlight>Atoms are "self-evaluating" in the sense that they return themselves as values. Expressions such as these are not very useful, but they are the simplest example of mathematical expressions. Fractions for literal rational numbers are simple expressions entered as follows, but are not atoms:<syntaxhighlight lang="maxima"> (%i5) 12/33; /* A fraction expression. Maxima simplfies the expression as output */ (%o5) 4/11 (%i6) atom(12/33); /* The fraction expression is not an atom */ (%o6) false (%i8) op(12/33); /* The overall operation of this expression is / */ (%o8) / </syntaxhighlight>Maxima evaluates the division of integers as rational numbers, and simplifies the return value if possible:<syntaxhighlight lang="maxima"> (%i09) 12/33 * 3/4; /* multiplication of fractions */ (%o09) 3/11 (%i10) (12/33) / (4/3); /* division of fractions */ (%o10) 3/11 (%i11) 3/8 + 13/4; /* addition of fractions */ (%o11) 29/8 </syntaxhighlight>Maxima will resolve mixed numerical types in expressions as returned values in a manner which might be expected :<syntaxhighlight lang="maxima"> (%i12) 3/2 * 5; /* fraction and an integer */ (%o12) 15/2 (%i13) 3/2 * 5.0; /* fraction and floating point */ (%o13) 7.5 (%i14) 12.0/33; /* floating point and an integer */ (%o14) 0.36363636363636365 (%i15) 0.36363636363636365*0.36363636363636365b0; /* floating point and bigfloat */ (%o15) 1.322314049586777b-1 </syntaxhighlight>Some expressions remain "symbolic" numerically, and are not simplified or returned as a number type:<syntaxhighlight lang="maxima"> (%i16) sqrt(2); /* an algebraic irrational */ (%o16) sqrt(2) (%i17) 3*5^(1/3); /* another algebraic irratioanl */ (%o17) 3*5^(1/3) </syntaxhighlight>Built-in numerical constants are atoms. Numerical expressions involving one or more operators are not, unless the expression evaluates to an atom:<syntaxhighlight lang="maxima"> (%i18) %pi; /* a trancendental built-in constant */ (%o18) %pi (%i20) atom(%pi); /* a trancendental built-in constant */ (%o20) true (%i20) atom(%e); /* a trancendental built-in constant */ (%o20) true (%i21) atom(%i); /* i is a built-in constant */ (%o21) true (%i22) atom(sqrt(2)); /* sqrt(2) in not an atom */ (%o22) false (%i23) atom(3*5^(1/3)); /* 3*5^(1/3) is not an atom */ (%o23) false (%i24) atom(3+5); /* 3+5 evaluates to 8 which is an atom*/ (%o24) true (%i25) atom((5^2)*3.14159); /* (5^2)*3.14159) evaluates to 78.53975 which is an atom */ (%o25) true </syntaxhighlight>An important point to understand is that expressions when evaluated may have a return value that is an atom or is not an atom:<syntaxhighlight lang="maxima"> (%i26) atom(3+5); /* */ (%o26) true (%i27) (5^2)*3.14159 /* */ (%o27) true (%i28) (5^2)*3.14159; /* */ (%o28) 78.53975 (%i29) op(3+5); /* */ part: argument must be a non-atomic expression; found 8 -- an error. To debug this try: debugmode(true); </syntaxhighlight>More useful and interesting expressions involve identifiers, However, expressions involving identifiers and operators may or may not have a value that is atomic:<syntaxhighlight lang="maxima"> (%i30) atom(z); /* */ (%o30) true (%i31) atom(3); /* */ (%o31) true (%i32) atom(z+3); /* */ (%o32) false (%i33) op(z+3); /* */ (%o33) + (%i34) z:5; /* */ (z) 5 (%i35) atom(z+3); /* */ (%o35) true </syntaxhighlight>These examples may seem simple, but what is exemplified by these simple expressions applies no matter how complex the expression may be:<syntaxhighlight lang="maxima"> (%i36) expr1:(1/(15^2 + 20^2 -2*15*20*cos(%pi/3))^(1/2)); (expr1) 1/(5*sqrt(13)) (%i37) atom(expr1); (%o37) false (%i38) float(expr1); (%o38) 0.05547001962252292 (%i39) atom(float(expr1)); (%o39) true (%i40) expr2:integrate(w^2, w, 0, 4); (expr2) 64/3 (%i41) atom(expr2); (%o41) false (%i42) atom(integrate(w^2, w, 0, 4)); (%o42) false (%i43) op(expr2); (%o43) / (%i44) op('integrate(w^2, w, 0, 4)); (%o44) integrate (%i45) 2*s^2+5*s+1; (%o45) 2*s^2+5*s+1 (%i46) solve(2*s^2+5*s+1,s); (%o46) [s=-((sqrt(17)+5)/4),s=(sqrt(17)-5)/4] (%i47) rhs(solve(2*s^2+5*s+1,s)[1]); (%o47) -((sqrt(17)+5)/4) (%i48) atom(rhs(solve(2*s^2+5*s+1,s)[1])); (%o48) false (%i49) ans:float(rhs(solve(2*s^2+5*s+1,s)[1])); (ans) -2.2807764064044154 (%i50) atom(ans); (%o50) true </syntaxhighlight> ; {{BookCat}} py510yotszg0nxnarwev64ypjp0aepx 4637105 4637093 2026-05-23T01:10:05Z Idavidmiller 3577687 4637105 wikitext text/x-wiki == Getting Started Using Maxima - Some Essentials == This section is intended for those that are new to Maxima. It may or may not be of value or interest to those having prior experience. === The Maxima Way of doing Mathematics === Imagine that you want to create a computer application to perform some general mathematical tasks - not merely numerical calculations or "number crunching" as it is sometimes referred to somewhat pejoratively. It seems likely that it would be realized early on that, unlike humans that can interpret concepts and notation using context, computers and programming software generally are intolerant of any sort of ambiguity. Progress is being made in providing programming software with the ability to interpret based on context, but not here in Maxima. The Maxima expression syntax was created to be logical as well as unambiguous and precise in meaning and intention. Another realization likely would be that mathematical expressions are the essential object on which mathematical concepts hinge, and that these concepts are conveyed using a conventional (if not entirely standard) system of notation. So, the means to compose mathematical expressions using some syntax for interpreting mathematical notation that your program could read and process as input would be essential. So Maxima is not a programming language in the conventional sense. With the foregoing in mind, before starting to see examples of Maxima in action, keep the following in mind while learning and using Maxima: * Expressions of various types (especially mathematical expressions) are the input to Maxima * Every expression returns a value which is displayed as output unless the display is suppressed by some means * Expressions as input are entered using an expression syntax that Maxima can read and process ==== Maxima expressions are of three types: ==== # Mathematical expressions # Object expressions # Programming expressions ==== Maxima expressions are comprised of two "ingredients" so to speak: ==== # Atoms # Operators ==== Atoms: ==== These are one type of the built-in basic expression ingredients of Maxima. They are: # Identifiers - names used alone or to identify other expressions by name # Literal numerals for numbers - integer, fraction, and floating point literals # Strings - quoted strings of one or more characters ==== Operators: ==== These are the second type of the built-in expression ingredients of Maxima. Including: # Mathematical operators such as + , - , * , /, ^ , ! for addition, subtraction, negation, multiplication, division, exponentiation, factorial and the like. Internally to Maxima these are short-hand symbols for operators. Maxima operators also include "functions" such as sin(x), log(x), etc. # Operators that are used to accomplish something other than for mathematical purposes '''Note:''' It is important to point out that there is a difference between operators, functions as used in the context of programming, and the mathematical concept of functions. In this book all Maxima functions in the programming sense of the word that are built-in to Maxima (that is "out-of-the-box" so to speak) will be referred to as operators, including those from loaded packages that are included with the Maxima distribution. Maxima functions in the programming sense of the word created by the user will be referred to as functions. The context should make it clear when the mathematical concept of a function is being referred to. It is unfortunately the case that the Maxima documentation refers to operators as functions. Like so much else, the word "function" has become overloaded. === A Brief Introduction to Expressions - Atoms, Identifiers and Operators === Below follows a brief introduction to Maxima expressions. All Maxima expressions are composed of '''''atoms''''' (including identifiers) and '''''operators''''', and every expression has a value. With the foregoing information in mind, Maxima can be used to provide some examples of these various aspects of working with Maxima. This will be accomplished in the spirit of providing some insight and clarity for how to interact with Maxima, and how to compose expressions for input and how to interpret the values of expressions as output. === <u>Atoms</u> === There are three types of atoms used as "ingredients" for composing Maxima expressions for input: # Identifiers # Numerical literals for representing numbers # Strings An elaboration of the technical details of each of these three types will follow in subsequent sections. In this section is a brief introduction, and examples of each of these types presented to gain a basic level of familiarity with each type of atom. ==== <u>Identifiers</u> ==== Identifiers are one type of what are termed '''''atoms''''' as used in the context of Maxima expressions, but they are unique in that they are the only type of atom that can be assigned an expression other than their literal value. Identifiers as atoms are used in Maxima expressions for two main purposes: # To be unassigned an expression, and serve as a named variable # To name an expression by way of an assignment operator Try the following using Python: <code>m + n</code><syntaxhighlight lang="python3"> >>> m + n Traceback (most recent call last): File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module> NameError: name 'm' is not defined >>> </syntaxhighlight>or using R:<syntaxhighlight lang="r"> > m + n Error: object 'm' not found > </syntaxhighlight>or using Octave:<syntaxhighlight lang="octave"> octave:1> m + n error: 'm' undefined near line 1, column 1 octave:2> </syntaxhighlight>Now, try this using Maxima:<syntaxhighlight lang="maxima"> Maxima 5.49.0 https://maxima.sourceforge.io using Lisp SBCL 2.0.1.debian Distributed under the GNU Public License. See the file COPYING. Dedicated to the memory of William Schelter. The function bug_report() provides bug reporting information. (%i1) m + n; (%o1) n + m </syntaxhighlight>Take it on faith that the identifiers <code>m</code> and <code>n</code> are in the Maxima namespace as a consequence of this expression, and that each has a value assigned by Maxima merely as a consequence of being used in the <code>m + n</code> input expression – <code>m</code> is <code>m</code> and <code>n</code> is <code>n</code> in this case.<syntaxhighlight lang="maxima"> (%i2) m; (%o2) m (%i3) n; (%o3) n </syntaxhighlight>A value for any identifier (other than itself) may never be assigned while using Maxima no matter how many times it is referenced. That is perfectly okay. Maxima doesn't care. But sometimes a value is assigned to an identifier – either the first time it is referenced or after it is first referenced:<syntaxhighlight lang="maxima"> (%i4) m : n; (m) n (%i5) m; (%o5) n (%i6) remvalue(m); (%o6) [m] (%i7) m; (%o7) m </syntaxhighlight>In the above expressions, the identifier <code>m</code> is assigned, using the <code>:</code> assignment operator, the value of identifier <code>n</code> (which is in this case <code>n</code>), and then the value of <code>m</code> is removed using the <code>remvalue()</code> operator. Thus, the value of <code>m</code> reverts to itself – <code>m</code>. These expressions, while trivial in a sense, provide some insight into an important way Maxima behaves. When identifiers are first referenced as input, they have a value – either a value through some sort of assignment, or merely the identifier name itself. Identifiers can be assigned values by different means as part of expressions as input. Below follows some examples of Maxima identifiers as a very brief introduction:<syntaxhighlight lang="maxima">(%i1) x; /* An unassigned identifier x */ (%o1) x (%i2) mass; /* An unassigned identifier name of mass */ (%o2) mass (%i3) f(x); /* An identifier f(x) for unassigned Maxima user-defined function */ (%o3) f(x) (%i4) is(x = X); /* Identifiers are case-sensitive - x is not X */ (%o4) false (%i6) y = x^2; /* Identifiers x and y used in an expression */ (%o6) y=x^2 (%i7) x : sqrt(2); /* Idenifier x assigned a value */ (x) sqrt(2) /* An identifier w(x,y,z) for a Maxima user-defined function */ (%i8) w(x,w,z) := a*x^2 + b*y^2 + c*z^2; (%o8) w(x,w,z):=a*x^2+b*y^2+c*z^2</syntaxhighlight>Maxima identifiers serve to name expressions as a value by means on some type of assignment, or they can be simply a name with a value of the name itself, in which case these unassigned identifiers may be considered to be variables. The technical details of Identifiers, assignment types, and expressions are elaborated upon in other book sections for each of these topics. ==== <u>Numerical literals for representing numbers</u> ==== There are four types of numerical literals used to compose Maxima expressions: # Integers # Fractions (for rational numbers) # Floating Point # Bigfloat (variable-precision floating point) <syntaxhighlight lang="maxima"> (%i8) 1234; /* This is an integer type. An atom */ (%o8) 1234 (%i9) 5/9; /* This is a fraction for a rational number type. Not an atom. */ (%o9) 5/9 (%i10) 3.14159; /* This is a floating point type. An atom. */ (%o10) 3.14159 (%i11) 5.532051841609784b-1; /* This is a bigfloat type. An atom */ (%o11) 5.532051841609784b-1 </syntaxhighlight> ==== <u>Strings</u> ==== Strings are simply a quoted sequence of characters: <syntaxhighlight lang="maxima"> (%i12) "a string atom"; /* This is a string atom. */ (%o12) "a string atom" (%i13) "Hello World!"; /* This is another string atom. */ (%o13) "Hello World!" (%i14) "Supercalifagilisticexpialidocious"; /* This is a longer string atom. */ (%o14) "Supercalifagilisticexpialidocious" (%i15) "C"; /* There is no Maxima character type. */ (%o15) "C" </syntaxhighlight> === <u>Operators</u> === Along with atoms, Maxima operators are the second ingredient used to form expressions used as input. There are many Maxima operators. Some are used frequently as a consequence of their utility for forming mathematical expressions. Many others are used infrequently as these operators are used for specialized purposes. {| class="wikitable" |+Operators !Operator !Operation !Notes !Type |- |<u>'''Arithmetic'''</u> | | | |- | '''+''' |addition |also unary addition prefix |n-ary infix commutative |- | '''-''' |subtaction |also unary negation prefix |binary infix noncommutative |- |'''*''' |multiplication | |n-ary infix commutative |- |'''/''' |division |or fraction |binary infix noncommutative |- |'''^''' |exponentiation | |binary postfix |- | colspan="4" | |- |<u>'''Relational'''</u> | | | |- |'''<''' |less than | |binary infix |- |'''<=''' |less than or equal | |binary infix |- |'''>''' |greater than | |binary infix |- |'''>=''' |greater thanor equal | |binary infix |- | colspan="4" | |- |<u>'''Logical'''</u> | | | |- |'''and''' |and |Operands are Boolean expressions Result is a Boolean value |n-ary infix noncommutative |- |'''not''' |not |Operand is a Boolean expression Result is a Boolean value |unary prefix |- |'''or''' |or |Operands are Boolean expressions Result is a Boolean value |n-ary infix noncommutative |- | colspan="4" | |- |<u>'''Equations'''</u> | | | |- |'''=''' |equality |Unevaluated equation | Syntactically equal |- |'''#''' |negation of syntactic equality = |Unevaluated negation of an equation |Syntactically not equal |- | colspan="4" | |- |<u>'''Assignment'''</u> | | | |- |''':''' |assignment to left hand side |evaluates right hand side | |- |'''::''' |assignment to left hand side |evaluates both sides | |- |''':=''' |function definition |does not evaluate right hand side | |- |'''::=''' |macro function definition | | |- |'''define''' () |function definition |does evaluate right hand side | |} {| class="wikitable" |+Elementary Mathematical Operators (Functions) !Operators (Functions) or Option Variables !Description !Notes ! |- |'''<u>Numbers</u>''' | | | |- |'''abs''' (''z'') |mathematical absolute value |works for both numerical and symbolic values | |- |'''ceiling''' (x) |returns the least integer that is greater than or equal to <var>x</var> | | |- |'''entier''' <var>(x)</var> |returns the largest integer less than or equal to <var>x</var> where <var>x</var> is numeric | | |- |'''floor''' <var>(x)</var> |returns the largest integer that is less than or equal to <var>x</var> | | |- |'''fix''' <var>(x)</var> |a synonym for entier (x) | | |- |'''hstep''' <var>(x)</var> |the Heaviside unit step function | | |- |'''lmax''' <var>(L)</var> |when <var>L</var> is a list or a set, return <code>apply ('max, args (<var>L</var>))</code> | | |- |'''lmin''' <var>(L)</var> |When <var>L</var> is a list or a set, return <code>apply ('m</code><code>in, args (<var>L</var>))</code> | | |- |'''max''' <var>(x_1, …, x_n)</var> |returns a simplified value for the numerical maximum of the expressions <var>x_1</var> through <var>x_n</var> | | |- |'''min''' <var>(x_1, …, x_n)</var> |returns a simplified value for the numerical minimum of the expressions <var>x_1</var> through <var>x_n</var>. | | |- |'''round''' <var>(x)</var> |when <var>x</var> is a real number, returns the closest integer to <var>x</var> | | |- |'''signum''' <var>(x)</var> |for either real or complex numbers <var>x</var>, the '''signum''' function returns 0 if <var>x</var> is zero; for a nonzero numeric input <var>x</var>, the '''signum''' function returns <code>x/abs(x)</code> | | |- |'''truncate''' <var>(x)</var> |when x is a real number, return the closest integer to x not greater in absolute value than ''x'' | | |- | colspan="4" | |- |'''<u>Complex</u>''' '''<u>Numbers</u>''' | | | |- |'''cabs''' <var>(expr)</var> |returns the absolute value of an expression representing a complex number | | |- |'''carg''' <var>(z)</var> |returns the complex argument of ''z'' | | |- |'''conjugate''' <var>(x)</var> |returns the complex conjugate of ''x'' | | |- |'''imagpart''' <var>(expr)</var> |returns the imaginary part of the expression ''expr'' | | |- |'''polarform''' <var>(expr)</var> |returns an expression <code>r %e^(%i theta)</code> equivalent to ''expr'', such that ''r'' and ''theta'' are purely real | | |- |'''realpart''' <var>(expr)</var> |returns the real part of <var>expr</var> | | |- |'''rectform''' <var>(expr)</var> |returns an expression <code>a + b %i</code> equivalent to <var>expr</var>, such that <var>a</var> and <var>b</var> are purely real | | |- | colspan="4" | |- |'''<u>Combinatorial</u>''' | | | |- |'''!!''' |the double factorial operator | | |- |'''binomial''' <var>(x, y)</var> |returns the binomial coefficient <code><var>x</var>!/(<var>y</var>! (<var>x</var> - <var>y</var>)!)</code>. | | |- |'''factcomb''' <var>(expr)</var> |tries to combine the coefficients of factorials in <var>expr</var> with the factorials themselves | by converting for example, <code>(n + 1)*n!</code> into <code>(n + 1)!</code>. | |- |'''factorial''' ''(x)'' '''!''' |returns the factorial of ''x'' |<code>factorial (<var>x</var>)</code> the same as <code><var>x</var>!</code> | |- |'''factlim''' |specifies the highest factorial which is automatically expanded |option variable default: 100000 | |- |'''factorial_expand''' |controls the simplification of expressions like <code>(x+n)!</code>, where <code>n</code> is an integer |option variable default: false | |- |'''genfact''' <var>(x, y, z)</var> |returns the generalized factorial, defined as <code>x (x-z) (x - 2 z) ... (x - (y - 1) z)</code> |when <var>x</var> is an integer, <code>genfact (x, x, 1) = x!</code> and <code>genfact (x, x/2, 2) = x!!</code> | |- |'''minfactorial''' <var>(expr)</var> |examines <var>expr</var> for occurrences of two factorials which differ by an integer |<code>minfactorial</code>then turns one into a polynomial times the other | |- |'''sumsplitfact''' |when <code>sumsplitfact</code> is <code>false</code>, <code>minfactorial</code> is applied after a <code>factcomb</code> |option variable default: true | |- | colspan="4" | |- |'''<u>Root</u>''' '''<u>Exponential</u>''' '''<u>Logarithmic</u>''' | | | |- |'''%e_to_numlog''' |when <code>true</code>, <code>r</code> some rational number, and <code>x</code> some expression, <code>%e^(r*log(x))</code> will be simplified into <code>x^r</code> |option variable default: false | |- |'''%emode''' |when <code>%emode</code> is <code>true</code>, <code>%e^(%pi %i x)</code> is simplified |option variable default: true | |- |'''%enumer''' |when <code>%enumer</code> is <code>true</code>, <code>%e</code> is replaced by its numeric value 2.718… whenever <code>numer</code> is <code>true</code>. |option variable default: false | |- |'''exp''' <var>(x)</var> |represents the exponential function | | |- |'''li''' <var>[s] (z)</var> |represents the polylogarithm function of order <var>s</var> and argument <var>z</var>, defined by an infinite series | | |- |'''log''' <var>(x)</var> |represents the natural (base ) logarithm of <var>x</var>. |Maxima does not have a built-in function for the base 10 logarithm or other bases | |- |'''logabs''' |when doing indefinite integration where logs are generated, e.g. <code>integrate(1/x,x)</code>, the answer is given in terms of <code>log(abs(...))</code> if <code>logabs</code> is <code>true</code>, but in terms of <code>log(...)</code>if <code>logabs</code> is <code>false</code> for definite integration, the <code>logabs:true</code> setting is used, because here "evaluation" of the indefinite integral at the endpoints is often needed |option variable default: false | |- |'''logarc''' <var>(expr)</var> |carries out the replacement of inverse circular and hyperbolic functions with equivalent logarithmic functions for an expression <var>expr</var> without setting the global variable <code>logarc</code> | | |- | '''logarc''' |when the global variable <code>logarc</code> is <code>true</code>, inverse circular and hyperbolic functions are replaced by equivalent logarithmic functions. |option variable default: false | |- |'''logconcoeffp''' |controls which coefficients are contracted when using <code>logcontract</code> |option variable default: false | |- |'''logcontract''' <var>(expr)</var> |recursively scans the expression <var>expr</var>, transforming subexpressions of the form <code>a1*log(b1) + a2*log(b2) + c</code> into <code>log(ratsimp(b1^a1 * b2^a2)) + c</code> | | |- |'''logexpand''' |if <code>true</code>, that is the default value, causes <code>log(a^b)</code> to become <code>b*log(a)</code> If it is set to <code>all</code>, <code>log(a*b)</code> will also simplify to <code>log(a)+log(b)</code> If it is set to <code>super</code>, then <code>log(a/b)</code>will also simplify to <code>log(a)-log(b)</code> for rational numbers <code>a/b</code>, <code>a#1</code>(<code>log(1/b)</code>, for integer <code>b</code>, always simplifies.) if it is set to <code>false</code>, all of these simplifications will be turned off |option variable default: true | |- |'''lognegint''' |implements the rule <code>log(-n) -> log(n)+%i*%pi</code> for <code>n</code> a positive integer if <code>true</code> |option variable default: false | |- |'''logsimp''' |if <code>false</code> then no simplification of <code>%e</code> to a power containing <code>log</code> is done |option variable default: true | |- | '''plog''' <var>(x)</var> |represents the principal branch of the complex-valued natural logarithm with <code>-%pi < carg(<var>x</var>) <= +%pi</code> | | |- |'''sqrt''' <var>(x)</var> |the square root of <var>x</var>. It is represented internally by <code><var>x</var>^(1/2)</code> | | |- | colspan="4" | |- |'''<u>Trigonometric</u>''' '''<u>Hyperbolic</u>''' | | | |- |'''acos''' <var>(x)</var> |arc cosine | | |- |'''acosh''' <var>(x)</var> |hyperbolic arc cosine | | |- |'''acot''' <var>(x)</var> |arc cotangent | | |- |'''acoth''' <var>(x)</var> |hyperbolic arc cotangent. | | |- | '''acsc''' <var>(x</var><var>)</var> |arc cosecant | | |- |'''acsch''' <var>(x)</var> |hyperbolic arc cosecant | | |- | '''asec''' <var>(x)</var> |arc secant. | | |- |'''asech''' <var>(x)</var> |hyperbolic arc secant | | |- |'''asin''' <var>(x</var><var>)</var> |arc sine | | |- |'''asinh''' <var>(x)</var> |hyperbolic arc sine | | |- |'''atan''' <var>(x)</var> |arc tangent | | |- |'''atan2''' <var>(y, x)</var> |returns the value of <math display="inline">\tan^{-1}(y/x) </math> in the interval <math display="inline">(- \pi) \ to\ (\pi) </math> taking into consideration the quadrant of the point ''(x,y)'' | | |- |'''atanh''' <var>(x)</var> |hyperbolic arc tangent | | |- |'''cos''' <var>(x)</var> |cosine | | |- |'''cosh''' <var>(x)</var> |hyperbolic cosine | | |- |'''cot''' <var>(x)</var> |cotangent | | |- |'''coth''' <var>(x)</var> |hyperbolic cotangent | | |- |'''csc''' <var>(x)</var> |cosecant | | |- | '''csch''' <var>(x)</var> |hyperbolic cosecant | | |- |'''sec''' <var>(x)</var> |secant | | |- |'''sech''' <var>(x)</var> |hyperbolic secant | | |- |'''sin''' <var>(x)</var> |sine | | |- |'''sinh''' <var>(x</var> | O | | |- |'''tan''' <var>(x)</var> |tangent | | |- |'''tanh''' <var>(x)</var> |hyperbolic tangent | | |- | colspan="4" | |- |'''<u>Random</u>''' '''<u>Numbers</u>''' | | | |- |'''make_random_state''' () |a random state object represents the state of the random number generator | | |- |'''set_random_state''' <var>(s)</var> |copies <var>s</var> to the random number generator state | | |- |'''random''' <var>(x)</var> |returns a pseudorandom number | | |- | | | | |} === Maxima Expressions === For the purpose of review, Maxima expressions are of three types: # Mathematical expressions # Object expressions # Programming expressions Object expressions and programming expressions are for use in support of the intended purpose of Maxima – a computer algebra system. Mathematical expressions are those that are the essential type for doing mathematics using Maxima. ==== Mathematical Expressions ==== Mathematical expressions consist of atoms and operators that are of a mathematical nature. Mathematical expressions can be simple to relatively complex. It is helpful to understand the anatomy of Maxima expressions in terms of atoms and operators. Some expressions can consist of a single atom, but more likely it will be the case that expressions will be comprised of atoms and operators. The simplest expressions can consists of a single atom:<syntaxhighlight lang="maxima">(%i1) 5; /* an integer atom */ (%o1) 5 (%i2) 3.14159; /* a floating point atom */ (%o2) 3.14159 (%i3) 77.3987483627298298277627928389828329382983b0; /* a bigfloat atom */ (%o3) 7.739874836272983b1 (%i4) x; /* an unassigned identifier atom */ (%o4) x</syntaxhighlight>Atoms are "self-evaluating" in the sense that they return themselves as values. Expressions such as these are not very useful, but they are the simplest example of mathematical expressions. Fractions for literal rational numbers are simple expressions entered as follows, but are not atoms:<syntaxhighlight lang="maxima"> (%i5) 12/33; /* A fraction expression. Maxima simplfies the expression as output */ (%o5) 4/11 (%i6) atom(12/33); /* The fraction expression is not an atom */ (%o6) false (%i8) op(12/33); /* The overall operation of this expression is / */ (%o8) / </syntaxhighlight>Maxima evaluates the division of integers as rational numbers, and simplifies the return value if possible:<syntaxhighlight lang="maxima"> (%i09) 12/33 * 3/4; /* multiplication of fractions */ (%o09) 3/11 (%i10) (12/33) / (4/3); /* division of fractions */ (%o10) 3/11 (%i11) 3/8 + 13/4; /* addition of fractions */ (%o11) 29/8 </syntaxhighlight>Maxima will resolve mixed numerical types in expressions as returned values in a manner which might be expected :<syntaxhighlight lang="maxima"> (%i12) 3/2 * 5; /* fraction and an integer */ (%o12) 15/2 (%i13) 3/2 * 5.0; /* fraction and floating point */ (%o13) 7.5 (%i14) 12.0/33; /* floating point and an integer */ (%o14) 0.36363636363636365 (%i15) 0.36363636363636365*0.36363636363636365b0; /* floating point and bigfloat */ (%o15) 1.322314049586777b-1 </syntaxhighlight>Some expressions remain "symbolic" numerically, and are not simplified or returned as a number type:<syntaxhighlight lang="maxima"> (%i16) sqrt(2); /* an algebraic irrational */ (%o16) sqrt(2) (%i17) 3*5^(1/3); /* another algebraic irratioanl */ (%o17) 3*5^(1/3) </syntaxhighlight>Built-in numerical constants are atoms. Numerical expressions involving one or more operators are not, unless the expression evaluates to an atom:<syntaxhighlight lang="maxima"> (%i18) %pi; /* a trancendental built-in constant */ (%o18) %pi (%i20) atom(%pi); /* a trancendental built-in constant */ (%o20) true (%i20) atom(%e); /* a trancendental built-in constant */ (%o20) true (%i21) atom(%i); /* i is a built-in constant */ (%o21) true (%i22) atom(sqrt(2)); /* sqrt(2) in not an atom */ (%o22) false (%i23) atom(3*5^(1/3)); /* 3*5^(1/3) is not an atom */ (%o23) false (%i24) atom(3+5); /* 3+5 evaluates to 8 which is an atom*/ (%o24) true (%i25) atom((5^2)*3.14159); /* (5^2)*3.14159) evaluates to 78.53975 which is an atom */ (%o25) true </syntaxhighlight>An important point to understand is that expressions when evaluated may have a return value that is an atom or is not an atom:<syntaxhighlight lang="maxima"> (%i26) atom(3+5); /* */ (%o26) true (%i27) (5^2)*3.14159 /* */ (%o27) true (%i28) (5^2)*3.14159; /* */ (%o28) 78.53975 (%i29) op(3+5); /* */ part: argument must be a non-atomic expression; found 8 -- an error. To debug this try: debugmode(true); </syntaxhighlight>More useful and interesting expressions involve identifiers, However, expressions involving identifiers and operators may or may not have a value that is atomic:<syntaxhighlight lang="maxima">(%i30) atom(z); /* */ (%o30) true (%i31) atom(3); /* */ (%o31) true (%i32) atom(z+3); /* */ (%o32) false (%i33) op(z+3); /* */ (%o33) + (%i34) z:5; /* */ (z) 5 (%i35) atom(z+3); /* */ (%o35) true</syntaxhighlight>These examples may seem simple, but what is exemplified by these simple expressions applies no matter how complex the expression may be:<syntaxhighlight lang="maxima"> (%i36) expr1:(1/(15^2 + 20^2 -2*15*20*cos(%pi/3))^(1/2)); /* */ (expr1) 1/(5*sqrt(13)) (%i37) atom(expr1); /* */ (%o37) false (%i38) float(expr1); /* */ (%o38) 0.05547001962252292 (%i39) atom(float(expr1)); /* */ (%o39) true (%i40) expr2:integrate(w^2, w, 0, 4); /* */ (expr2) 64/3 (%i41) atom(expr2); /* */ (%o41) false (%i42) atom(integrate(w^2, w, 0, 4)); /* */ (%o42) false (%i43) op(expr2); /* */ (%o43) / (%i44) op('integrate(w^2, w, 0, 4)); /* */ (%o44) integrate (%i45) 2*s^2+5*s+1; /* */ (%o45) 2*s^2+5*s+1 (%i46) solve(2*s^2+5*s+1,s); /* */ (%o46) [s=-((sqrt(17)+5)/4),s=(sqrt(17)-5)/4] (%i47) rhs(solve(2*s^2+5*s+1,s)[1]); /* */ (%o47) -((sqrt(17)+5)/4) (%i48) atom(rhs(solve(2*s^2+5*s+1,s)[1])); /* */ (%o48) false (%i49) ans:float(rhs(solve(2*s^2+5*s+1,s)[1])); /* */ (ans) -2.2807764064044154 (%i50) atom(ans); (%o50) true </syntaxhighlight> ; {{BookCat}} etfaaj0rbpxdhdweu79dmamdnevo4w2 0 483108 4637028 4637007 2026-05-22T13:55:34Z ~2026-30720-89 3592209 Yosephs parts 4637028 wikitext text/x-wiki = A brief history of free market busses in Africa = == Summary == Many African countries public transportation systems are dominated by informal, private systems that operate using small to medium size vehicles that do not follow regular routes and/or stop locations. The informal industry has been mired in violence, corruption and controversies since its inception, yet despite these drawbacks the system thrives because they offer increased flexibility and decreased cost of service compared to more traditional rigid structured public transit systems. In recent years, in addition to increasing government pressure to formalize, the industry also faces stiff competition from ride hailing services such as Uber and other local options which can offer an increased sense of safety. == Annotated List of Actors == {| class="wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" |+South Africa !Sector !Name of stakeholder/Actor !Role |- | rowspan="2" |Informal bus industry |Bus operators |Often each driver is an owner operator of just one minibus who joins an association which then dictates which route they service. This assignment can determine the amount of money each driver earns so competition for the best routes often ensues |- |Taxi associations |These associations are made up of many owner operators and provide the routes to the drivers. They also offer "protection" to their drivers and enforce boundaries of their territory from other rival associations<ref name=":4">Schuler C. Kings of the road fuel deadly taxi war: The fight to control south africa's lucrative routes has left 1,120 people dead. A hit on a driver can cost as little as $1,200: [national edition]. National Post. Nov 06 1999:A14. Available from: <nowiki>https://www.proquest.com/newspapers/kings-road-fuel-deadly-taxi-war-fight-control/docview/329616964/se-2</nowiki>.</ref> |- | rowspan="4" |Government |National governments |Introduces the unregulated industry - Then tries to reregulate it when complications arise |- |State governments |Laws and regulation attempts/willingness vary by state |- |Municipal governments |Cities often complain about the effects of the industry on local areas, such as increased traffic congestion and road safety concerns - They cannot usually do much to regulate - but they can set where the taxi stands go. Some do try to work with the industry to reform them into regular bus operators. |- |Police agencies |In the past, these agencies have often been corrupt and complacent allowing violence to continue within the informal industry<ref name=":4" /> |- | rowspan="5" |Private Firms |Regular bus operators |These are the service providers of the regular scheduled transit systems, and BRT systems that the informal industry often cites as competing with them with unfair advantages (they are usually subsidized) |- |Uber/Ride hailing |Provides a similar service as the informal taxi bus industry, creating more competition |- |Long distance bus operators |The informal industry may also receive competition from intercity bus operators such as greyhound |- |Vehicle manufacturers |Toyota is the main proponent of this category, as many of the taxis in the industry are the Toyota HiAce passenger vehicle. Since they are one of the only options, Toyota has increased the price rapidly in recent years - exacerbating economic impacts upon the drivers. |- |Banks providing loans |Some banks allowed taxi drivers or associations to file for loans to help them purchase newer, more roadworthy vehicles |- |Industry groups |National or local groups aimed at lobbying the government in favor of the industry |groups like SANTACO which aim to provide the industry with a more formal structure, in order to help facilitate the growth of the industry |} {| class="wikitable mw-collapsible" |+ !Stakeholder Group !Members !Interests, Concerns, and Issues |- | rowspan="4" |Matatu (Minibus) Operators |Matatu Drivers |Drivers operate the matatus on assigned routes and must meet the vehicle owner’s daily revenue target before keeping any surplus fares. The majority of matatu drivers work over 12 hours a day with no formal employment contracts, pension, or sick leave<ref>{{Cite web |last=Radford,L |date=2019-11-19 |title=Rethinking trade unions and worker rights through Nairobi’s matatu industry - Africa at LSE |url=https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/africaatlse/2019/11/19/trade-unions-worker-rights-nairobi-matatu-inequality/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Africa at LSE - LSE’s engagement with Africa}}</ref>. The field is male dominated, primarily due to the lack of safety for women in matatus, with approximately 76% of employees having experienced or witnessed sexual harassment <ref>{{Cite web |date=2024-04-08 |title=Flone Initiative: Safe & Professional Transport industry |url=https://floneinitiative.org/,%20https://floneinitiative.org |access-date=2026-05-22 |language=en-US}}</ref>. |- |Matatu Owners |Owners of the matatu vehicles lease out these vehicles to drivers under the daily target model. They bear the capital costs of owning the vehicles, and usually take out loans while also paying for insurance, SACCO fees, daily operating expenses such as fuel, and extortion levies to criminal bodies who control profitable routes. While highly profitable in certain popular routes, the majority of matatu owners have very thin margins while experiencing heavy debt from vehicle financing<ref>{{Cite web |last=Roberto |first=Muyela |date=2020-12-29 |title=Multi-billion matatu theft: Cartels and police officers making life miserable for car owners - Tuko.co.ke |url=https://www.tuko.co.ke/398270-multi-billion-matatu-theft-cartels-police-officers-making-life-miserable-car-owners.html |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.tuko.co.ke |language=en}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |title=All You Need to Venture into the Matatu Business in Kenya |url=https://www.money254.co.ke/post/all-you-need-to-venture-into-the-matatu-business-in-kenya-investments |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.money254.co.ke |language=en}}</ref> |- |Makanga (Matatu Operators) |The makanga are the conductors of the matatus, responsible for managing passengers and collecting fares, making sure the vehicle meets their daily targets, while also paying SACCO officials and criminal extortion levies. It is commonly considered a dangerous and precarious job, as most conductors only receive informal pay in the form of tips and a small amount of commission, while also being vulnerable to injuries and arrests from traffic officers. The field is male dominated, primarily due to the lack of safety for women in matatus, with approximately 76% of employees having experienced or witnessed sexual harassment<ref>{{Cite web |date=2024-04-08 |title=Flone Initiative: Safe & Professional Transport industry |url=https://floneinitiative.org/,%20https://floneinitiative.org |access-date=2026-05-22 |language=en-US}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |last=Osoro |first=William |date=2025-03-19 |title=Video of Beautiful Matatu Conductor Collecting Fare Confuses Kenyan Men - Tuko.co.ke |url=https://www.tuko.co.ke/kenya/582585-video-beautiful-matatu-conductor-collecting-fare-confuses-kenyan-men/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.tuko.co.ke |language=en}}</ref>. |- |SACCOs (Savings and Credit Co-operatives) |SACCOs are a member-owned financial institution where money is pooled from individuals and remittance payments to provide loans to one another at reasonable interest rates. Matatu are legally required to operate in affiliation with a SACCO<ref>{{Cite web |date=2026-04-08 |title=What Are SACCOs? How Savings and Credit Cooperatives Are Changing East Africa |url=https://financialinclusion.fyi/posts/what-are-saccos |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=financialinclusion.fyi |language=en}}</ref>. SACCOs primarily provide financial assistance to matatu owners and employees, with strong SACCOs also providing structure by establishing branding through vehicle branding and vehicle uniforms, providing routes, and helping solve internal disputes. While SACCOs theoretically self-regulate themselves and their activities, many experience weak governance and internal mismanagement<ref>{{Cite web |last=K |first=Rose |date=2025-12-11 |title=Top Challenges Facing SACCOs in Kenya Today |url=https://saccochampions.co.ke/challenges-facing-saccos-kenya/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Kenya Sacco Champions |language=en-US}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |date=2026-02-23 |title=When engines went silent: Why some powerful matatu saccos faded away |url=https://www.pulse.co.ke/story/when-engines-went-silent-why-some-powerful-matatu-saccos-faded-away-2026022312573971457 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Pulse Kenya |language=en}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |title=Saving and Credit Cooperative Organizations (SACCOs) {{!}} Global Forum on Migration and Development |url=https://www.gfmd.org/pfp/ppd/24766 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.gfmd.org}}</ref>. |- | rowspan="2" |Industry Bodies and Labour Unions |MOA (Matatu Owners Association) |The MOA is an umbrella organisation formed by individuals that represent matatu owners and investors by lobbying, advocating, and negotiating with the NTSA (National Transport and Safety Authority) and the government. They publicly advocate for better and safer roads, and protection from extortion and over-regulation<ref>{{Cite web |title=DevelopmentAid |url=https://www.developmentaid.org/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=DevelopmentAid |language=en}}</ref>. |- |TAWU-K (Transport Workers Union of Kenya) |TAWU-K is a major union representing over 28, 000 employees, including matatu drivers and conductors. Their primary role is to advocate for formal employment conditions, social protection, and better work standards<ref>{{Cite web |title=Transport Workers Union – Kenya – In unity, we find strength |url=https://twu.or.ke/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |language=en-US}}</ref>. |- | rowspan="2" |Passengers |Regular Commuters |Primary customers of the matatus include commuters and the working class, the youth and students, traders and rural travelers. 60-70% of commuters rely on matatus for their daily commutes. Commuters who rely on Matatus face the following issues and concerns: * Commuters are often forced to rely on Matatus as they cannot afford private vehicles and the road conditions are too unsafe for bicycles. Their dependence on matatus means when matatu owners and drivers go on strike around 10-15 times per year, they experience immediate livelihood consequences <ref>{{Cite book |url=http://archive.org/details/oapen-20.500.12657-63441 |title=Matatu - A History of Popular Transportation in Nairobi |date=2017 |language=English}}</ref>. * Women frequently experience sexual harassment and sexual assault<ref>{{Cite web |last=Blog |first={{!}} |date=2014-09-03 |title=Women speak out against sexual assault in Kenya |url=https://ajws.org/blog/women-speak-out-sexual-assault-kenya/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=American Jewish World Service – AJWS |language=en-US}}</ref> * Increased fares due to route gangs who inflate fares, and an ongoing fuel crisis<ref>{{Cite web |date=2026-05-15 |title=Matatu fares increased by 50% as operators call for countrywide strike from Monday |url=https://citizen.digital/article/matatu-fares-increased-by-50-operators-call-for-countrywide-strike-over-fuel-prices-n382771 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Citizen Digital |language=en-KE}}</ref> * Physical safety issues surrounding reckless driving and overloading vehicles. Matatus are involved in a large proportion of road accidents in Kenya<ref>{{Cite web |date=18 July 2014 |title=Understanding road safety in Kenya: views of matatu drivers |url=https://academic.oup.com/inthealth/article/6/3/242/2964838}}</ref> |- |Tourists and Visitors |Tourists are generally advised to avoid Matatus due to their safety concerns. However, there are still a number of tourists attracted to the loud and vibrant culture surrounding matatus. Tourists are frequently targeted by corrupt matatu drivers, conductors, and gangs, who take advantage of tourists by overcharging, stealing, and stranding them far from their destination<ref>{{Cite web |last=Canada |first=Global Affairs |date=2012-11-16 |title=Travel advice and advisories for Uganda |url=https://travel.gc.ca/destinations/uganda |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Travel.gc.ca}}</ref>. |- | rowspan="5" |Regulatory and Government Bodies |Traffic Police |Traffic police are responsible for enforcing traffic laws. However, corruption is a common issue, with documentation showing officers often take bribes from drivers by threatening them with fines and towing their vehicle, and a conflict of interest with several officers owning their own matatu fleets<ref>{{Cite news |last=Peralta |first=Eyder |date=2017-02-04 |title=Kenyan Bus Driver Speaks Out Against Everyday Corruption On Live TV |language=en |work=NPR |url=https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/02/04/512053554/kenyan-bus-driver-speaks-out-against-everyday-corruption-on-live-tv |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |last=Onyango |first=Gedion |date=2022-06-28 |title=The art of bribery: a closeup look at how traffic officers operate on Kenya’s roads |url=https://theconversation.com/the-art-of-bribery-a-closeup-look-at-how-traffic-officers-operate-on-kenyas-roads-185551 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=The Conversation |language=en-US}}</ref> |- |NaMATA (Nairobi Metropolitan Area Transport Authority) |NaMATA is an official Kenyan government agency with the role of overseeing the development, implementation, and development of public transport systems in Kenya<ref>{{Cite web |title=About – NaMATA |url=https://namata.go.ke/about/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |language=en-US}}</ref>. NaMATA have developed plans for a bus rapid transit (BRT) system to clear matatus from the city centre of Nairobi<ref>{{Cite web |title=NAMATA BRT Design Framework |url=https://africa.itdp.org/publication/namata-brt-design-framework/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Institute for Transportation and Development Policy |language=en-US}}</ref>. |- |NTSA (National Transport and Safety Authority) |NTSA is an official Kenyan government agency responsible for transport safety regulation and enforcement<ref>{{Cite web |title=NTSA About Us |url=https://www.ntsa.go.ke/about}}</ref>. The NTSA are responsible for licensing vehicles and SACCOs, and have the power to deregister matatu operators. |- |County Government of Nairobi |Created under the Constitution of Kenya 2010, the Nairobi City County is responsible for policy formulation and leadership of roads, street and other lighting, traffic and parking, and public road transport within the County. County askaris who are responsible for regulating and enforcing policies have been documented abusing their power to take bribes from matatu drivers and conductors<ref>{{Cite web |date=2025-05-21 |title=Nairobi County to control number of matatus per route: How draft law could affect you |url=https://www.pulse.co.ke/story/nairobi-county-to-control-number-of-matatus-per-route-how-draft-law-could-affect-you-2025052104192182610 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Pulse Kenya |language=en}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |date=2019-04-25 |title=About Nairobi City County {{!}} Nairobi City County |url=https://nairobi.go.ke/about-nairobi |access-date=2026-05-22 |language=en-US}}</ref>. |- |EACC (Ethics and Anti-Corruption Commission) |The EACC is an official government body responsible for combatting and preventing corruption. They document and  prosecute corrupt matatu operators, traffic police and other officials involved in matatu corruption<ref>{{Cite web |title=EACC |url=https://eacc.go.ke/en/default |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=EACC |language=en-us}}</ref> |- | rowspan="2" |Criminal Bodies |Route Cartels |Route cartels take advantage of matatu operators and commuters by exclusively controlling profitable routes. They charge matatu operators an entry fee to the routes they control and regularly collect levies from them. Cartels occasionally also work in coordination with matatu operators to organise robberies on passengers, or with police to commit similar crimes<ref>{{Cite web |title=Exploring Public Road Passenger Transport in Kenya – International Association for the History of Transport, Traffic and Mobility |url=https://t2m.org/exploring-public-road-passenger-transport-in-kenya/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=t2m.org}}</ref>. |- |Illegal Gangs (Mungiki and other successor gangs) |Mungiki was previously a criminal gang which started as a Kikuyu youth movement and was linked to frequent extortion, violence, killings and drug trafficking<ref>{{Cite web |last=Canada |first=Immigration and Refugee Board of |date=2025-09-09 |title=Kenya: The Mungiki group, including its status, organizational structure, leadership, membership, recruitment methods, and activities; the relationship between the Kenyan government and the group; whether state protection is available to its victims (2023–September 2025) [KEN202389.E] |url=https://www.ecoi.net/en/document/2130455.html |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=https://irb-cisr.gc.ca/en/country-information/rir/Pages/index.aspx?doc=459053&pls=1 |language=en}}</ref>. The organisation was banned around 2002 and declared finished by its leader in 2009. However, the group and similar gangs are still active and are involved in the extortion of money from matatu operators. There have been links of these gangs cooperating with corrupt police and local politicians to carry out their crimes<ref>{{Cite web |last=Alvin.Mwangi |date=2023-12-01 |title=Matatu crews in fear as extortion gangs re-emerge |url=https://peopledaily.digital/news/matatu-crews-in-fear-as-extortion-gangs-re-emerge |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=People Daily |language=en}}</ref>. |- |Technology |BasiGo |BasiGo is an EV company founded in Nairobi that leases electric buses to SACCOs using a “pay as you drive” system, allowing matatu drivers to utilise the benefits of new EV (reliable, quieter and smoother ride) without any upfront capital costs and debt<ref>{{Cite web |title=Kenya |url=https://www.basi-go.com/kenya |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=BasiGo |language=en-US}}</ref>. |} {| class="wikitable mw-collapsible" |+Tanzania ! valign="center" |Actor ! valign="center" |Actor Type ! valign="center" |Description |- | valign="center" |UDA (Shirika la Usafiri Dar es Salaam) | valign="center" |State-Owned Enterprise (SOE) | valign="center" |The state-owned bus enterprise that held a statutory monopoly following 1974 nationalization. It suffered an operational collapse in the early 1980s due to economic crises and a lack of foreign exchange for fleet maintenance.<ref name=":0">{{Cite book |last=Kanyama |first=Ahmad |title=Public transport in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania: institutional challenges and opportunities for a sustainable transportation system |date=2004 |publisher=Totalförsvarets forskningsinstitut, Institutionen för miljöstrategiska studier |isbn=978-91-7323-103-9 |location=Stockholm}}</ref> |- | valign="center" |Private Paratransit Operators (Daladala Group) | valign="center" |Informal Private Sector | valign="center" |Informal free-market actors who dominated transit post-1983. Operating under a deregulated "Target System" , they maximized supply efficiency but created severe negative externalities. <ref name=":0" /> |- | valign="center" |SUMATRA / LATRA | valign="center" |Statutory Regulatory Authority | valign="center" |The government regulatory body established in 2001 (operational in 2006). It marked the end of absolute laissez-faire, re-introducing mandatory vehicle inspections, maximum route fares, and supply licensing as a "re-regulation" mechanism.<ref name=":1">{{Cite journal |last=Ka'bange |first=Abdi |last2=Mfinanga |first2=David |last3=Hema |first3=Edwin |date=2014-12 |title=Paradoxes of establishing mass rapid transit systems in african cities – A case of Dar es Salaam Rapid Transit (DART) system, Tanzania |url=https://doi.org/10.1016/j.retrec.2014.09.040 |journal=Research in Transportation Economics |volume=48 |pages=176–183 |doi=10.1016/j.retrec.2014.09.040 |issn=0739-8859}}</ref> |- | valign="center" |IPT Micro-modes (Bodaboda & Bajaj) | valign="center" |Informal Micro-Mobility Sector | valign="center" |Informal motorcycle (bodaboda) and tricycle (bajaj) operators. They serve as critical life support for low-income non-CBD travel and provide essential door-to-door flexibility under poor road conditions.<ref>{{Cite journal |last=Joseph |first=Lucy |last2=Neven |first2=An |last3=Martens |first3=Karel |last4=Kweka |first4=Opportuna |last5=Wets |first5=Geert |last6=Janssens |first6=Davy |date=2020-09-10 |title=Activity Participation and Perceptions on Informal Public Transport and Bus Rapid Transit in Dar es Salaam |url=https://doi.org/10.1177/0361198120948058 |journal=Transportation Research Record: Journal of the Transportation Research Board |volume=2674 |issue=11 |pages=573–583 |doi=10.1177/0361198120948058 |issn=0361-1981}}</ref> |- | valign="center" |DART Agency | valign="center" |Public Asset & Planning Authority | valign="center" |A government asset-owning planning authority under the Prime Minister's Office (PO-RALG). It is responsible for BRT infrastructure delivery and concession oversight. <ref name=":1" /> |- | valign="center" |UDART | valign="center" |PPP Concessionaire (SPV) | valign="center" |The special purpose vehicle (SPV) operating the BRT Phase 1 concession. It was formed as a PPP model, integrating the private Daladala Operators Association (DARCOBOA) to engage informal stakeholders.<ref name=":2">{{Cite book |last=Hoyos Guerrero |first=Alejandro |url=https://doi.org/10.1596/978-1-4648-1682-6 |title=Public-Private Partnerships in Urban Bus Systems: An Analytical Framework for Project Identification and Preparation |last2=Lopez Dodero |first2=Abel |date=2021-06-28 |publisher=The World Bank |isbn=978-1-4648-1682-6}}</ref> |- | valign="center" |International Financial Institutions (World Bank & AfDB) | valign="center" |Multilateral Development Bank (MDB) | valign="center" |The primary funding sources and facilitators of global "policy mobility," transferring Latin American BRT models to sub-Saharan Africa.<ref name=":3">{{Cite journal |last=Wood |first=Astrid |date=2015-02-04 |title=Competing for Knowledge: Leaders and Laggards of Bus Rapid Transit in South Africa |url=https://doi.org/10.1007/s12132-014-9248-y |journal=Urban Forum |volume=26 |issue=2 |pages=203–221 |doi=10.1007/s12132-014-9248-y |issn=1015-3802}}</ref> |} == Timeline of Events == {| class="wikitable mw-collapsible" |+Timeline of the "Taxi wars" in South Africa !Year !Event description |- |1977 |The federal government signs the "Road Transportation Act of 1977" into law<ref>{{Cite web |title=Road Transportation Act 74 of 1977 {{!}} South African Government |url=https://www.gov.za/documents/road-transportation-act-16-apr-2015-0812 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.gov.za}}</ref> - failing to define minibus as a category, allowing taxi operators to operate them |- |1986-1987 |The number of informal taxi permits nation wide raises from 7,093 to 34, 378<ref name=":5">{{Cite journal |date=2013-03-01 |title=The lurch towards formalisation: Lessons from the implementation of BRT in Johannesburg, South Africa |url=https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0739885912000753 |journal=Research in Transportation Economics |language=en-US |volume=39 |issue=1 |pages=114–120 |doi=10.1016/j.retrec.2012.06.003 |issn=0739-8859}}</ref> |- |1988 |The federal government signs the "Transport Deregulation Act of 1988" into law<ref>{{Cite web |title=Transport Deregulation Act 80 of 1988 {{!}} South African Government |url=https://www.gov.za/documents/transport-deregulation-act-18-may-2015-1306#:~:text=Transport%20Deregulation%20Act%2080%20of%201988%20%7C%20South%20African%20Government |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.gov.za}}</ref> |- |1993 |Taxi wars death toll was 330 deaths in 1993<ref name=":5" /> |- | rowspan="2" |1994 |Apartheid in South Africa ends - however, its legacy on the spatial layout of cities will go on to affect urban transport for decades still |- |In Cape Town, the taxi association Codeta splits and CATA is formed, starting an intense and violent rivalry<ref>{{Cite news |last=Wines |first=Michael |date=2006-09-17 |title=Cartels Battle for Supremacy in South Africa’s Taxi Wars |language=en-US |work=The New York Times |url=https://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/17/world/africa/cartels-battle-for-supremacy-in-south-africas-taxi-wars.html |access-date=2026-05-22 |issn=0362-4331}}</ref> |- |1996 |The government produces a whitepaper on the state of the transportation industry in South Africa<ref>{{Cite web |title=National Transport Policy White Paper {{!}} South African Government |url=https://www.gov.za/documents/white-papers/national-transport-policy-white-paper-20-aug-1996 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.gov.za}}</ref> one of the key recommendation is the taxi recapitalization plan (TRP) which aimed to help decommission the older and less safe vehicles that were used at the time. (A timeline was set for all older models to be replaced by 2005) |- |2001 |The South African National Taxi Council (SANTACO) is formed |- |2003 |Informal transit collectively reaches a 60 percent market share<ref name=":5" /> |- |2004 |A revised version of the TRP is introduced, providing more money for replacing older busses - However, this does not do anything to curb the overtrading of routes, forcing drivers to operate newer and more costly vehicles on the same routes with the same low profit margins<ref>{{Cite journal |last=McKay |first=Tracey |last2=Simpson |first2=Zach |last3=Patel |first3=Naeem |date=2017-03-01 |title=Spatial politics and infrastructure development: Analysis of historical transportation data in Gauteng - South Africa (1975–2003) |url=https://www.sciendo.com/article/10.1515/mgrsd-2017-0003 |journal=Miscellanea Geographica |language=en |volume=21 |issue=1 |pages=35–43 |doi=10.1515/mgrsd-2017-0003 |issn=2084-6118}}</ref> |- |2007 |South Africa's first Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) line is planned to open in Johannesburg, where the government and local taxi associations came to a tentative agreement to replace the informal service along the corridor, allowing the affected associations and drivers to convert to the BRT operator<ref name=":5" /><ref name=":6">{{Cite journal |last=Bähre |first=Erik |date=2014-11 |title=A TRICKLE-UP ECONOMY: MUTUALITY, FREEDOM AND VIOLENCE IN CAPE TOWN'S TAXI ASSOCIATIONS |url=https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/africa/article/abs/trickleup-economy-mutuality-freedom-and-violence-in-cape-towns-taxi-associations/E6FF741B122E54F9F84AF4119EF89ECD |journal=Africa |language=en |volume=84 |issue=4 |pages=576–594 |doi=10.1017/S000197201400045X |issn=0001-9720}}</ref> |- | rowspan="2" |2009 |three days after opening [Rea Vaya], violence erupted from disgruntled taxi drivers fearing loss of income<ref name=":5" /> |- |The chairman of SANTACO was gunned down, the organization was accused of taking bribes from the government by rival associations<ref name=":6" /> |- |2010 |A new contract was signed [Rea Vaya], where 313 taxi operators became operators for the BRT company<ref name=":5" /> |- |2012 |SANTACO president Kabulani Mthembu steps down after an audit revealed he had stolen nearly one million rand from the association<ref name=":6" /> |- |2017 |An Uber driver dies after their car is set alight<ref name=":7">Rampedi M. War for the streets: Maponya mall becomes latest frontline in Taxi–E-hailing clash. Spotcovery [BLOG]. 2025. <nowiki>https://www.proquest.com/blogs-podcasts-websites/war-streets-maponya-mall-becomes-latest-frontline/docview/3240276444/se-2</nowiki>.</ref> |- |2024 |Piotrans - the private firm which bid and won the contract to operate the Rey Vaya BRT - goes bankrupt. The company had an alleged history of gross mismanagement dating back to around 2016<ref>{{Cite web |title=Gale - Institution Finder |url=https://galeapps.gale.com/apps/auth?userGroupName=&sid=summon&origURL=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.gale.com%2Fps%2Fi.do%3Fid%3DGALE%257CA779855589%26v%3D2.1%26it%3Dr%26sid%3Dsummon%26asid%3D0bd92d4c.%26u%3D%26p%3DSTND&prodId=STND |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=galeapps.gale.com}}</ref> A report finds that taxi operators owned a significant share in the company, which could have been used to undermine the operations from the inside |- |2025 |two e-hailing taxi drivers were attacked, one shot and the others car torched<ref name=":7" /> |} {| class="wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" |+Nairobi, Kenya !Year !Event description |- |Early 1960s |First Matatu’s were developed by entrepreneurial Africans who constructed the makeshift vehicles using old motor parts left behind by the British<ref>{{Cite web |last=Bamehriz"} |first={"name"=>"Walid |last2=Berger"} |first2={"name"=>"Jessica |last3=Fazili"} |first3={"name"=>"Osman |last4=Valentine "} |first4={"name"=>"Taylor |title=Flows of Urban Transport in Nairobi, Kenya: What role do matatus play in Nairobi's future? |url=https://www.learngala.com/cases/eas537kenyamatatus |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Gala |language=en}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |last=By |title=Blind to the matatus |url=https://africasacountry.com/2019/06/blind-to-the-matatu |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=africasacountry.com |language=en-US}}</ref>. They gained traction after Kenya gained independence from the United Kingdom in 1963. |- |1973 |Matatus are explicitly deemed legal by President Jomo Kenyatta<ref>{{Cite book |url=http://archive.org/details/oapen-20.500.12657-63441 |title=Matatu - A History of Popular Transportation in Nairobi |date=2017 |language=English}}</ref>. |- |1984 |The start of the initial basic regulatory framework surrounding matatus with President Moi passing a law requiring matatus to be inspected and licensed<ref name=":8">{{Cite book |url=http://archive.org/details/oapen-20.500.12657-63441 |title=Matatu - A History of Popular Transportation in Nairobi |date=2017 |language=English}}</ref>. |- |1980s-1990s |Matatu operators began to paint the exterior of their vehicles with flashy colours and unique artwork, and play hip-hop music at loud volumes as a tactic to lure passengers. This tactic was attributable to the prevalent widespread hip-hop music and culture by African-Americans during this period<ref name=":8" />. |- |1990s-2000s |Informal groups, such as Mungiki, emerged managing routes and requiring matatu drivers to pay fees. Resulted in violent competition over control of routes and a barrier for new owners to enter the business/market. Emergence of new minivans being used by wealthier owners from the brands Nissan, Toyota, and Isuzu. A new generation of educated young adult drivers that were mostly men, entered the industry and began to shift the social and political landscape<ref name=":8" />. |- |2004 |Transport Minister John Michuki issues a set of key traffic safety regulations, enforcing all matatus to have speed governors to cap the maximum speed to 80 km/h, seatbelts for all passengers, open driver identification, and yellow lines on the body of vehicles identifying licensed passenger service vehicles. Often referred to as the “Michuki Rules” <ref name=":8" /><ref>{{Cite web |date=2018-11-12 |title=The rise, success, death and resurrection of Michuki rules |url=https://citizen.digital/article/the-rise-success-death-and-resurrection-of-michuki-rules-218721 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Citizen Digital |language=en-KE}}</ref>. |- |December 2010 |The Government of Kenya bans 14 seater vehicles to encourage matatu operators to invest in higher capacity vehicles<ref>{{Cite web |last=Marilyn |first=Ommeh |title=The Politics Behind the Phasing Out of the 14-seater Matatu in Kenya |url=https://erepository.uonbi.ac.ke/server/api/core/bitstreams/ea72c292-33a5-47d2-b156-8df39e356c6a/content}}</ref>. Ministry of Transport issues the two following directives: * A ban on 14 seater vehicles to encourage matatu operators to invest in higher capacity vehicles. * All individual matatu must be affiliated with a SACCO. |- |2012 |The National Transport and Safety Authority Act of 2012 is signed and the National Transport Safety Authority is formed. |- |2014 |The Public Service Vehicle (PSV) Regulations 2014 is signed, outlining licensing requirements, vehicle standards, and inspection procedures for public transport vehicles<ref>{{Cite web |date=2025-03-27 |title=Navigating Kenya’s PSV Maze: Challenges, Compliance, and the Road to Reform Part 2 |url=https://dkma.co.ke/blog/navigating-kenyas-psv-maze-challenges-compliance-and-the-road-to-reform-part-2 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Dennis Kimani Mutonga, Advocate |language=en}}</ref>. |- |2015 |Laws prohibiting flashy paint-jobs and eye-searing colors were removed in 2015. Changes in the archetypal form of the matatu, with larger bus-sized vehicles starting to also be used as matatus. |- |Spring of 2019 |The Governor of Nairobi banned all matatus from the city centre, resulting in transport chaos. The ban was lifted in under a day<ref>{{Cite web |last=Radford,L |date=2019-11-19 |title=Rethinking trade unions and worker rights through Nairobi’s matatu industry - Africa at LSE |url=https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/africaatlse/2019/11/19/trade-unions-worker-rights-nairobi-matatu-inequality/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Africa at LSE - LSE’s engagement with Africa}}</ref>. |- |May 2026 |Matatu operators announce a 50% fare increase due to rising fuel costs<ref>{{Cite web |date=2026-05-15 |title=Matatu fares increased by 50% as operators call for countrywide strike from Monday |url=https://citizen.digital/article/matatu-fares-increased-by-50-operators-call-for-countrywide-strike-over-fuel-prices-n382771 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Citizen Digital |language=en-KE}}</ref>. |} {| class="wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" |+Timeline of Transit Transformation in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania ! valign="center" |Year ! valign="center" |Event Description |- | valign="center" |1949 | valign="center" |The British-owned Dar es Salaam Motor Transport (DMT) initiates formal private bus services under low-demand colonial spatial limits.<ref name=":0" /> |- | valign="center" |1974 | valign="center" |The Tanzanian government nationalizes DMT to form UDA, pursuing a socialist, state-controlled transit monopoly.<ref name=":0" /> |- | valign="center" |Late 1970s – 1983 | valign="center" |Macroeconomic crises paralyze UDA. The active fleet drops below 100 buses, forcing citizens to rely on illegal, informal vans—the precursor to Daladalas.<ref name=":0" /> |- | valign="center" |1983 | valign="center" |The Transport Licensing Act Amendment de-criminalizes private paratransit. Daladalas gain legal entry, initiating an era of free-market deregulation.<ref name=":1" /> |- | valign="center" |1980s – 2000s | valign="center" |Total market dominance by Daladalas. Extreme traffic congestion ensues, bringing central corridor travel speeds to a critical crawl.<ref name=":1" /> |- | valign="center" |2004 | valign="center" |The SUMATRA Act is passed and enforced, re-establishing route-licensing and maximum tariff controls over informal minibuses.<ref name=":1" /> |- | valign="center" |2012 | valign="center" |Construction begins on Phase 1 of the DART BRT system, funded by a World Bank loan.<ref name=":1" /> |- | valign="center" |2016 – Present | valign="center" |DART Phase 1 launches under a PPP framework. Main corridors transition to regulated electronic ticketing, while Daladalas and bajajis motor tricycle are pushed to peripheral feeder markets.<ref name=":2" /> |} == Maps of Locations == [[File:Tanzania_transport_map-fr.svg|thumb|204x204px|Tanzania transport map]] == Clear Identification of Policy Issues == ==== Tanzania： ==== 1. Market Efficiency vs. Social Equity: Student Exclusion Under a deregulated system with zero financial subsidies, profit-driven private minibuses systematically reject, evict, and abuse low-fare students during peak hours, causing a severe failure in basic public transit equity.<ref name=":0" /> 2. The "Implementation Gap" within the Bus PPP Framework. Top down BRT design is independent of local regulatory capacity; the implementation of the fleet has been hampered by the absence of strict public oversight and the protracted fare clearinghouse disagreements, which has kept the fleet grounded with modern buses and excessive passenger delays. <ref name=":2" /> 3. Fragmented Multimodal Integration Authority There is no unified transit authority for the city. The BRT, conventional paratransit, ferries and new Standard Gauge Railway (SGR) all operate within their own silos, thus preventing the development of an integrated electronic ticketing system and synergy of the multimodal system.<ref name=":0" /> ==== South Africa ==== 1. Top down approach to formalization Many of the governments top down approaches to formalizing the industry have failed to meet their goals for a multitude of reasons, and have even created more unintended consequences that will need to be rectified before widespread formalization can be complete. For instance, the taxi recapitalization program aimed at modernizing the ageing and often poorly maintained fleet, failed to address the underlying cause of the issue - maintenance was on each owner, and they were already strapped for cash. In addition, the program unintentionally made the taxy associations into very powerful middlemen between banks, the government and the vehicle manufacturers, which increased their influence further<ref name=":6" />. 2. Failure of the governments approach to inclusion in policy making Even though the government of South Africa had set up the NTT and had promoted SANTACO to a quasi governmental organization, they failed to listen to the needs of the taxi associations on multiple occasions, leading to a further erosion in trust that the government was actin in the best interests of the industry as a whole. As an example, a large multimodal transit hub was planned and constructed in Bloemfontein at a cost of 400 million rands. The goal of this facility was to help ease congestion on narrow CBD roads and to help passengers interchange with more modes of public transit more easily. However, the facility was woefully under designed to handle the amount of taxi bus traffic that was to use the facility<ref>{{Cite journal |last=Matebesi |first=Sethulego Z. |date=2019-01-08 |title=Insurgent Citizenship and Sustained Resistance of a Local Taxi Association |url=https://czasopisma.uni.lodz.pl/qualit/article/view/3986 |journal=Qualitative Sociology Review |language=en |volume=14 |issue=4 |pages=168–185 |doi=10.18778/1733-8077.14.4.11 |issn=1733-8077}}</ref>. '''Kenya''' 1. Lack of Enforcement of Regulations and Policies Matatus have historically been documented to be unsafe and involved in a high number of traffic accidents, which were the result of a combination of unregulated vehicles that were unroadworthy along with reckless driving behaviour that was motivated by picking up as many passengers as possible. Several regulatory laws, policies and organisations have been introduced since 1984 to address the safety issues and to regulate the matatu industry, as outlined in the timeline of events. The implementation of these changes were documented to have immediate positive effects, with high compliance rates throughout the country resulting in increased safety. However, it has been consistently observed by the communities in Kenya that the changes are short-lived as compliance rates of the laws all fall dramatically shortly after their introduction<ref>{{Cite web |last=Dennis |first=Okore |date=2025-03-27 |title=The Failure of Self-Regulation in Kenya’s Matatu Sector: A Public Policy Disaster |url=https://okoreesq.medium.com/the-failure-of-self-regulation-in-kenyas-matatu-sector-a-public-policy-disaster-95b101b529c3 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Medium |language=en}}</ref>. This issue is further complicated by a large population of traffic police officers, local politicians, and other government officials who have been documented to be highly involved in corruption, taking bribes and working in cooperation with illegal gangs to extort money from matatu operators. In 2024 the EACC estimated that Kenya loses approximately 608 billion Kenyan Shilling annually<ref>{{Cite web |last=contributors |first=George Githaiga & Julius Bett |title=Katiba Institute |url=https://katibainstitute.org/case-for-global-court-to-fight-graft/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |language=en}}</ref>. 2. Government’s Future Plans of Public Transport and Formal Employment Several government bodies in Kenya have been developing plans for implementing a BRT (Bus Rapid Transit) system since the early 2000s and shifting towards formal employment in the public transport sector in place of the IPT (informal public transport) system currently in place with matatus, with plans of banning matatus in the future<ref>{{Cite web |date=2020-11-20 |title=Better than a ban: Prioritising efficient public transport in the Nairobi CBD |url=https://africa.itdp.org/better-than-a-ban-prioritising-efficient-public-transport-in-the-nairobi-cbd/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Institute for Transportation and Development Policy |language=en-US}}</ref>. Notably, NaMATA have had plans of developing BRT corridors, a commuter rail network, and non-motorised transport infrastructure such as bike lanes<ref>{{Cite web |title=Projects & Programmes – NaMATA |url=https://namata.go.ke/projects-programmes/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |language=en-US}}</ref>. There have been several attempts at matatu bans in Nairobi’s CBD, including in 2009 when the Nairobi City Council attempted to ban all public service vehicles from the CBD which was stopped due to the pressure from transport workers, in 2018 when the serving Governor at the time banned matatus from the CBD which was lifted in less than a day due to public outrage, and in around 2020 when the Nairobi Metropolitan Services intent to ban them by 2022 which did not follow through<ref>{{Cite web |date=2020-11-20 |title=Better than a ban: Prioritising efficient public transport in the Nairobi CBD |url=https://africa.itdp.org/better-than-a-ban-prioritising-efficient-public-transport-in-the-nairobi-cbd/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Institute for Transportation and Development Policy |language=en-US}}</ref>. There are additional political obstacles to implementing such a ban as there are several politicians who are financially invested in matatu fleets, which is a conflict of interest<ref>{{Cite web |last=By |title=Blind to the matatus |url=https://africasacountry.com/2019/06/blind-to-the-matatu |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=africasacountry.com |language=en-US}}</ref>. Currently approximately 85% of people in Africa have been estimated to work in the informal employment industry, and recent pushes towards formal employment have reduced employment in unionised public sectors, resulting in an increase in this number<ref>{{Cite web |last=Radford,L |date=2019-11-19 |title=Rethinking trade unions and worker rights through Nairobi’s matatu industry - Africa at LSE |url=https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/africaatlse/2019/11/19/trade-unions-worker-rights-nairobi-matatu-inequality/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Africa at LSE - LSE’s engagement with Africa}}</ref>. The government's plan to ban matatus and shift to formal employment in Kenya raises concerns over the careers of the current large population of the informally employed. 3. Graffiti Policy Dispute In May 2025, the NTSA issued a directive ordering all matatus to remove any graffiti, artistic branding, and tinted windows, citing safety grounds of driver visibility and difficulties in identifying vehicles involved in accidents. This directive was upheld in the High Court when it was challenged in April 2026, threatening the Nganya culture of the matatus, which risks eliminating the livelihoods of graffiti artists, DJs, designers, and digital content creators who rely on this culture<ref>{{Cite web |last=Kubwa |first=Carolyne |date=2026-04-29 |title=High Court upholds NTSA ban on matatu graffiti, tinted windows in major blow to nganya culture |url=https://eastleighvoice.co.ke/news/341087/high-court-upholds-ntsa-ban-on-matatu-graffiti-tinted-windows-in-major-blow-to-nganya-culture |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=The Eastleigh Voice |language=en-KE}}</ref>. President William Ruto has directed the NTSA to halt this move on the 22nd of May 2026<ref>{{Cite web |date=2026-05-22 |title=Ruto Stops NTSA Move to Ban Graffiti on Matatus - Kenyans.co.ke |url=https://www.kenyans.co.ke/news/123659-ruto-stops-ntsa-move-ban-graffiti-matatus |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.kenyans.co.ke |language=en}}</ref>. == Narrative of the case == ==== Tanzania： ==== Public transport in Dar es Salaam was once a failed state owned monopoly under UDA, but following the economic crisis it was deregulated and became an informal Daladala minibus system. While Daladalas grew mobility quickly, the lack of regulation led to unregulated competition, pollution and congestion.<ref name=":0" /><ref name=":1" /> The government introduced the DART BRT in 2016 to address these issues and introduced the former Daladala operators into the new system, however the informal system is still used by many in peripheral areas.<ref name=":2" /><ref name=":3" /> ==== South Africa: ==== Public transport in South Africa continues to be dominated by the informal and often politically powerful taxi associations. Over the last few decades many attempts to re-regulate the industry or formalize the corporations has met resistance, and has slowed the progress of expansion of even traditional bus services into some areas. Taxi drivers fear for their income, and the mafia like entities that are the taxi associations want to keep control to maintain their economic and political power. The government has a history of going with a far to heavy handed top down approach, instead of working with the taxi associations in a more clear and open way, to provide both job security and better transport to its citizens. '''Kenya:''' <u>Overview</u> Kenya’s free-market bus system is run by privately owned minibuses or shared taxis called matatus, which are known for their cultural heritage of vibrant graffiti artwork, loud hip-hop music. Since their emergence in the 1960s, matatus have been a favoured choice of public transit in Kenya with 60-70% of commuters relying on matatus as part of their daily commute. Matatus have become the primary transport mode for commuters in Kenya due to their flexible, on-demand routes, in addition to the lack of people who can afford private cars, poor public road conditions which prevent cycling, and lack of fast and reliable public transport infrastructure like commuter trains, trams, and BRT<ref>{{Cite book |url=http://archive.org/details/oapen-20.500.12657-63441 |title=Matatu - A History of Popular Transportation in Nairobi |date=2017 |language=English}}</ref>. The public perception of matatu is based on their historical affiliation with criminal activity, violent gangs, and reckless driving in unsafe vehicles. Several gangs and similar criminal groups have violently fought for the control of matatu routes since the 1990s, leading matatus to be perceived as unsafe<ref>{{Cite web |last=Radford,L |date=2019-11-19 |title=Rethinking trade unions and worker rights through Nairobi’s matatu industry - Africa at LSE |url=https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/africaatlse/2019/11/19/trade-unions-worker-rights-nairobi-matatu-inequality/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Africa at LSE - LSE’s engagement with Africa}}</ref>. There have also been frequent reports of mistreatment of passengers which include abuse, theft, hijacking, sexual harassment, and sexual assault<ref>{{Cite web |date=2026-05-22 |title=Matatu workers’ story: speaking out against discrimination {{!}} ITF Global |url=https://www.itfglobal.org/en/stories/matatu-workers-story-speaking-out-against-discrimination |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.itfglobal.org |language=en}}</ref>. Matatus account for approximately 43.6% of road traffic accidents<ref>{{Cite journal |last=Mirzoev |first=Tolib |date=2014-01-01 |title=Understanding road safety in Kenya: views of matatu drivers |url=https://www.academia.edu/44160753/Understanding_road_safety_in_Kenya_views_of_matatu_drivers |journal=International Health |doi=10.1093/INTHEALTH/IHU034}}</ref>.These issues are further aggravated by prevalent corruption in police officers who take bribes from matatu operators with threats of fines and towing of their vehicle. <u>The Future of Matatus</u> The current matatu population almost entirely consists of diesel vehicles, a large number of which are poorly maintained and unroadworthy<ref>{{Cite web |date=2026-04-19 |title=Explained: Everything NTSA Will Flag During Mandatory Private Car Inspections - Kenyans.co.ke |url=https://www.kenyans.co.ke/news/122714-explained-everything-ntsa-will-flag-during-mandatory-private-car-inspections |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.kenyans.co.ke |language=en}}</ref>, and are frequently idling, creating accessory air and noise pollution. To address these issues, the government of Kenya has launched the 2026 National Electric Mobility Policy to transition towards newer sustainable EVs<ref>{{Cite web |title=NATIONAL ELECTRIC MOBILITY POLICY TO PROMOTE DEVELOPMENT AND ENHANCE ADOPTION OF ELECTRIC MOBILITY IN KENYA |url=https://www.transport.go.ke/sites/default/files/Emobility%20Policy%20Final.pdf}}</ref>. Selected SACCOs have started using electric buses as matatus since 2022 by renting them from the company BasiGo<ref>{{Cite web |title=Super Metro gets first electric bus |url=https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/realtime/2023-02-15-supermetro-bus-service-gets-first-electric-bus/}}</ref>. The Kenyan Government has consistently planned to ban matatus in favour of BRT and other transit methods, with all current attempts failing due to public outrage. Future plans of BRT are still in place as of 2026, by NaMATA. == Discussion Questions == # What approach would you take to regulate or formalize and industry like this? # Would a single organization be able to effectively regulate this type of transport across one city, let alone an entire country? # Why did the project like DART struggle to fit local conditions, and how did weak land-use planning reduce its effectiveness? == Complete References == r0mnrnxmsxv24ly6ngtqgnuec8ufohx 4637029 4637028 2026-05-22T13:59:07Z Yoseph23 3581079 title change for annotated list of actors 4637029 wikitext text/x-wiki = A brief history of free market busses in Africa = == Summary == Many African countries public transportation systems are dominated by informal, private systems that operate using small to medium size vehicles that do not follow regular routes and/or stop locations. The informal industry has been mired in violence, corruption and controversies since its inception, yet despite these drawbacks the system thrives because they offer increased flexibility and decreased cost of service compared to more traditional rigid structured public transit systems. In recent years, in addition to increasing government pressure to formalize, the industry also faces stiff competition from ride hailing services such as Uber and other local options which can offer an increased sense of safety. == Annotated List of Actors == {| class="wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" |+South Africa !Sector !Name of stakeholder/Actor !Role |- | rowspan="2" |Informal bus industry |Bus operators |Often each driver is an owner operator of just one minibus who joins an association which then dictates which route they service. This assignment can determine the amount of money each driver earns so competition for the best routes often ensues |- |Taxi associations |These associations are made up of many owner operators and provide the routes to the drivers. They also offer "protection" to their drivers and enforce boundaries of their territory from other rival associations<ref name=":4">Schuler C. Kings of the road fuel deadly taxi war: The fight to control south africa's lucrative routes has left 1,120 people dead. A hit on a driver can cost as little as $1,200: [national edition]. National Post. Nov 06 1999:A14. Available from: <nowiki>https://www.proquest.com/newspapers/kings-road-fuel-deadly-taxi-war-fight-control/docview/329616964/se-2</nowiki>.</ref> |- | rowspan="4" |Government |National governments |Introduces the unregulated industry - Then tries to reregulate it when complications arise |- |State governments |Laws and regulation attempts/willingness vary by state |- |Municipal governments |Cities often complain about the effects of the industry on local areas, such as increased traffic congestion and road safety concerns - They cannot usually do much to regulate - but they can set where the taxi stands go. Some do try to work with the industry to reform them into regular bus operators. |- |Police agencies |In the past, these agencies have often been corrupt and complacent allowing violence to continue within the informal industry<ref name=":4" /> |- | rowspan="5" |Private Firms |Regular bus operators |These are the service providers of the regular scheduled transit systems, and BRT systems that the informal industry often cites as competing with them with unfair advantages (they are usually subsidized) |- |Uber/Ride hailing |Provides a similar service as the informal taxi bus industry, creating more competition |- |Long distance bus operators |The informal industry may also receive competition from intercity bus operators such as greyhound |- |Vehicle manufacturers |Toyota is the main proponent of this category, as many of the taxis in the industry are the Toyota HiAce passenger vehicle. Since they are one of the only options, Toyota has increased the price rapidly in recent years - exacerbating economic impacts upon the drivers. |- |Banks providing loans |Some banks allowed taxi drivers or associations to file for loans to help them purchase newer, more roadworthy vehicles |- |Industry groups |National or local groups aimed at lobbying the government in favor of the industry |groups like SANTACO which aim to provide the industry with a more formal structure, in order to help facilitate the growth of the industry |} {| class="wikitable mw-collapsible" |+Kenya !Stakeholder Group !Members !Interests, Concerns, and Issues |- | rowspan="4" |Matatu (Minibus) Operators |Matatu Drivers |Drivers operate the matatus on assigned routes and must meet the vehicle owner’s daily revenue target before keeping any surplus fares. The majority of matatu drivers work over 12 hours a day with no formal employment contracts, pension, or sick leave<ref>{{Cite web |last=Radford,L |date=2019-11-19 |title=Rethinking trade unions and worker rights through Nairobi’s matatu industry - Africa at LSE |url=https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/africaatlse/2019/11/19/trade-unions-worker-rights-nairobi-matatu-inequality/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Africa at LSE - LSE’s engagement with Africa}}</ref>. The field is male dominated, primarily due to the lack of safety for women in matatus, with approximately 76% of employees having experienced or witnessed sexual harassment <ref>{{Cite web |date=2024-04-08 |title=Flone Initiative: Safe & Professional Transport industry |url=https://floneinitiative.org/,%20https://floneinitiative.org |access-date=2026-05-22 |language=en-US}}</ref>. |- |Matatu Owners |Owners of the matatu vehicles lease out these vehicles to drivers under the daily target model. They bear the capital costs of owning the vehicles, and usually take out loans while also paying for insurance, SACCO fees, daily operating expenses such as fuel, and extortion levies to criminal bodies who control profitable routes. While highly profitable in certain popular routes, the majority of matatu owners have very thin margins while experiencing heavy debt from vehicle financing<ref>{{Cite web |last=Roberto |first=Muyela |date=2020-12-29 |title=Multi-billion matatu theft: Cartels and police officers making life miserable for car owners - Tuko.co.ke |url=https://www.tuko.co.ke/398270-multi-billion-matatu-theft-cartels-police-officers-making-life-miserable-car-owners.html |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.tuko.co.ke |language=en}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |title=All You Need to Venture into the Matatu Business in Kenya |url=https://www.money254.co.ke/post/all-you-need-to-venture-into-the-matatu-business-in-kenya-investments |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.money254.co.ke |language=en}}</ref> |- |Makanga (Matatu Operators) |The makanga are the conductors of the matatus, responsible for managing passengers and collecting fares, making sure the vehicle meets their daily targets, while also paying SACCO officials and criminal extortion levies. It is commonly considered a dangerous and precarious job, as most conductors only receive informal pay in the form of tips and a small amount of commission, while also being vulnerable to injuries and arrests from traffic officers. The field is male dominated, primarily due to the lack of safety for women in matatus, with approximately 76% of employees having experienced or witnessed sexual harassment<ref>{{Cite web |date=2024-04-08 |title=Flone Initiative: Safe & Professional Transport industry |url=https://floneinitiative.org/,%20https://floneinitiative.org |access-date=2026-05-22 |language=en-US}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |last=Osoro |first=William |date=2025-03-19 |title=Video of Beautiful Matatu Conductor Collecting Fare Confuses Kenyan Men - Tuko.co.ke |url=https://www.tuko.co.ke/kenya/582585-video-beautiful-matatu-conductor-collecting-fare-confuses-kenyan-men/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.tuko.co.ke |language=en}}</ref>. |- |SACCOs (Savings and Credit Co-operatives) |SACCOs are a member-owned financial institution where money is pooled from individuals and remittance payments to provide loans to one another at reasonable interest rates. Matatu are legally required to operate in affiliation with a SACCO<ref>{{Cite web |date=2026-04-08 |title=What Are SACCOs? How Savings and Credit Cooperatives Are Changing East Africa |url=https://financialinclusion.fyi/posts/what-are-saccos |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=financialinclusion.fyi |language=en}}</ref>. SACCOs primarily provide financial assistance to matatu owners and employees, with strong SACCOs also providing structure by establishing branding through vehicle branding and vehicle uniforms, providing routes, and helping solve internal disputes. While SACCOs theoretically self-regulate themselves and their activities, many experience weak governance and internal mismanagement<ref>{{Cite web |last=K |first=Rose |date=2025-12-11 |title=Top Challenges Facing SACCOs in Kenya Today |url=https://saccochampions.co.ke/challenges-facing-saccos-kenya/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Kenya Sacco Champions |language=en-US}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |date=2026-02-23 |title=When engines went silent: Why some powerful matatu saccos faded away |url=https://www.pulse.co.ke/story/when-engines-went-silent-why-some-powerful-matatu-saccos-faded-away-2026022312573971457 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Pulse Kenya |language=en}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |title=Saving and Credit Cooperative Organizations (SACCOs) {{!}} Global Forum on Migration and Development |url=https://www.gfmd.org/pfp/ppd/24766 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.gfmd.org}}</ref>. |- | rowspan="2" |Industry Bodies and Labour Unions |MOA (Matatu Owners Association) |The MOA is an umbrella organisation formed by individuals that represent matatu owners and investors by lobbying, advocating, and negotiating with the NTSA (National Transport and Safety Authority) and the government. They publicly advocate for better and safer roads, and protection from extortion and over-regulation<ref>{{Cite web |title=DevelopmentAid |url=https://www.developmentaid.org/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=DevelopmentAid |language=en}}</ref>. |- |TAWU-K (Transport Workers Union of Kenya) |TAWU-K is a major union representing over 28, 000 employees, including matatu drivers and conductors. Their primary role is to advocate for formal employment conditions, social protection, and better work standards<ref>{{Cite web |title=Transport Workers Union – Kenya – In unity, we find strength |url=https://twu.or.ke/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |language=en-US}}</ref>. |- | rowspan="2" |Passengers |Regular Commuters |Primary customers of the matatus include commuters and the working class, the youth and students, traders and rural travelers. 60-70% of commuters rely on matatus for their daily commutes. Commuters who rely on Matatus face the following issues and concerns: * Commuters are often forced to rely on Matatus as they cannot afford private vehicles and the road conditions are too unsafe for bicycles. Their dependence on matatus means when matatu owners and drivers go on strike around 10-15 times per year, they experience immediate livelihood consequences <ref>{{Cite book |url=http://archive.org/details/oapen-20.500.12657-63441 |title=Matatu - A History of Popular Transportation in Nairobi |date=2017 |language=English}}</ref>. * Women frequently experience sexual harassment and sexual assault<ref>{{Cite web |last=Blog |first={{!}} |date=2014-09-03 |title=Women speak out against sexual assault in Kenya |url=https://ajws.org/blog/women-speak-out-sexual-assault-kenya/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=American Jewish World Service – AJWS |language=en-US}}</ref> * Increased fares due to route gangs who inflate fares, and an ongoing fuel crisis<ref>{{Cite web |date=2026-05-15 |title=Matatu fares increased by 50% as operators call for countrywide strike from Monday |url=https://citizen.digital/article/matatu-fares-increased-by-50-operators-call-for-countrywide-strike-over-fuel-prices-n382771 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Citizen Digital |language=en-KE}}</ref> * Physical safety issues surrounding reckless driving and overloading vehicles. Matatus are involved in a large proportion of road accidents in Kenya<ref>{{Cite web |date=18 July 2014 |title=Understanding road safety in Kenya: views of matatu drivers |url=https://academic.oup.com/inthealth/article/6/3/242/2964838}}</ref> |- |Tourists and Visitors |Tourists are generally advised to avoid Matatus due to their safety concerns. However, there are still a number of tourists attracted to the loud and vibrant culture surrounding matatus. Tourists are frequently targeted by corrupt matatu drivers, conductors, and gangs, who take advantage of tourists by overcharging, stealing, and stranding them far from their destination<ref>{{Cite web |last=Canada |first=Global Affairs |date=2012-11-16 |title=Travel advice and advisories for Uganda |url=https://travel.gc.ca/destinations/uganda |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Travel.gc.ca}}</ref>. |- | rowspan="5" |Regulatory and Government Bodies |Traffic Police |Traffic police are responsible for enforcing traffic laws. However, corruption is a common issue, with documentation showing officers often take bribes from drivers by threatening them with fines and towing their vehicle, and a conflict of interest with several officers owning their own matatu fleets<ref>{{Cite news |last=Peralta |first=Eyder |date=2017-02-04 |title=Kenyan Bus Driver Speaks Out Against Everyday Corruption On Live TV |language=en |work=NPR |url=https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/02/04/512053554/kenyan-bus-driver-speaks-out-against-everyday-corruption-on-live-tv |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |last=Onyango |first=Gedion |date=2022-06-28 |title=The art of bribery: a closeup look at how traffic officers operate on Kenya’s roads |url=https://theconversation.com/the-art-of-bribery-a-closeup-look-at-how-traffic-officers-operate-on-kenyas-roads-185551 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=The Conversation |language=en-US}}</ref> |- |NaMATA (Nairobi Metropolitan Area Transport Authority) |NaMATA is an official Kenyan government agency with the role of overseeing the development, implementation, and development of public transport systems in Kenya<ref>{{Cite web |title=About – NaMATA |url=https://namata.go.ke/about/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |language=en-US}}</ref>. NaMATA have developed plans for a bus rapid transit (BRT) system to clear matatus from the city centre of Nairobi<ref>{{Cite web |title=NAMATA BRT Design Framework |url=https://africa.itdp.org/publication/namata-brt-design-framework/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Institute for Transportation and Development Policy |language=en-US}}</ref>. |- |NTSA (National Transport and Safety Authority) |NTSA is an official Kenyan government agency responsible for transport safety regulation and enforcement<ref>{{Cite web |title=NTSA About Us |url=https://www.ntsa.go.ke/about}}</ref>. The NTSA are responsible for licensing vehicles and SACCOs, and have the power to deregister matatu operators. |- |County Government of Nairobi |Created under the Constitution of Kenya 2010, the Nairobi City County is responsible for policy formulation and leadership of roads, street and other lighting, traffic and parking, and public road transport within the County. County askaris who are responsible for regulating and enforcing policies have been documented abusing their power to take bribes from matatu drivers and conductors<ref>{{Cite web |date=2025-05-21 |title=Nairobi County to control number of matatus per route: How draft law could affect you |url=https://www.pulse.co.ke/story/nairobi-county-to-control-number-of-matatus-per-route-how-draft-law-could-affect-you-2025052104192182610 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Pulse Kenya |language=en}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |date=2019-04-25 |title=About Nairobi City County {{!}} Nairobi City County |url=https://nairobi.go.ke/about-nairobi |access-date=2026-05-22 |language=en-US}}</ref>. |- |EACC (Ethics and Anti-Corruption Commission) |The EACC is an official government body responsible for combatting and preventing corruption. They document and  prosecute corrupt matatu operators, traffic police and other officials involved in matatu corruption<ref>{{Cite web |title=EACC |url=https://eacc.go.ke/en/default |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=EACC |language=en-us}}</ref> |- | rowspan="2" |Criminal Bodies |Route Cartels |Route cartels take advantage of matatu operators and commuters by exclusively controlling profitable routes. They charge matatu operators an entry fee to the routes they control and regularly collect levies from them. Cartels occasionally also work in coordination with matatu operators to organise robberies on passengers, or with police to commit similar crimes<ref>{{Cite web |title=Exploring Public Road Passenger Transport in Kenya – International Association for the History of Transport, Traffic and Mobility |url=https://t2m.org/exploring-public-road-passenger-transport-in-kenya/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=t2m.org}}</ref>. |- |Illegal Gangs (Mungiki and other successor gangs) |Mungiki was previously a criminal gang which started as a Kikuyu youth movement and was linked to frequent extortion, violence, killings and drug trafficking<ref>{{Cite web |last=Canada |first=Immigration and Refugee Board of |date=2025-09-09 |title=Kenya: The Mungiki group, including its status, organizational structure, leadership, membership, recruitment methods, and activities; the relationship between the Kenyan government and the group; whether state protection is available to its victims (2023–September 2025) [KEN202389.E] |url=https://www.ecoi.net/en/document/2130455.html |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=https://irb-cisr.gc.ca/en/country-information/rir/Pages/index.aspx?doc=459053&pls=1 |language=en}}</ref>. The organisation was banned around 2002 and declared finished by its leader in 2009. However, the group and similar gangs are still active and are involved in the extortion of money from matatu operators. There have been links of these gangs cooperating with corrupt police and local politicians to carry out their crimes<ref>{{Cite web |last=Alvin.Mwangi |date=2023-12-01 |title=Matatu crews in fear as extortion gangs re-emerge |url=https://peopledaily.digital/news/matatu-crews-in-fear-as-extortion-gangs-re-emerge |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=People Daily |language=en}}</ref>. |- |Technology |BasiGo |BasiGo is an EV company founded in Nairobi that leases electric buses to SACCOs using a “pay as you drive” system, allowing matatu drivers to utilise the benefits of new EV (reliable, quieter and smoother ride) without any upfront capital costs and debt<ref>{{Cite web |title=Kenya |url=https://www.basi-go.com/kenya |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=BasiGo |language=en-US}}</ref>. |} {| class="wikitable mw-collapsible" |+Tanzania ! valign="center" |Actor ! valign="center" |Actor Type ! valign="center" |Description |- | valign="center" |UDA (Shirika la Usafiri Dar es Salaam) | valign="center" |State-Owned Enterprise (SOE) | valign="center" |The state-owned bus enterprise that held a statutory monopoly following 1974 nationalization. It suffered an operational collapse in the early 1980s due to economic crises and a lack of foreign exchange for fleet maintenance.<ref name=":0">{{Cite book |last=Kanyama |first=Ahmad |title=Public transport in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania: institutional challenges and opportunities for a sustainable transportation system |date=2004 |publisher=Totalförsvarets forskningsinstitut, Institutionen för miljöstrategiska studier |isbn=978-91-7323-103-9 |location=Stockholm}}</ref> |- | valign="center" |Private Paratransit Operators (Daladala Group) | valign="center" |Informal Private Sector | valign="center" |Informal free-market actors who dominated transit post-1983. Operating under a deregulated "Target System" , they maximized supply efficiency but created severe negative externalities. <ref name=":0" /> |- | valign="center" |SUMATRA / LATRA | valign="center" |Statutory Regulatory Authority | valign="center" |The government regulatory body established in 2001 (operational in 2006). It marked the end of absolute laissez-faire, re-introducing mandatory vehicle inspections, maximum route fares, and supply licensing as a "re-regulation" mechanism.<ref name=":1">{{Cite journal |last=Ka'bange |first=Abdi |last2=Mfinanga |first2=David |last3=Hema |first3=Edwin |date=2014-12 |title=Paradoxes of establishing mass rapid transit systems in african cities – A case of Dar es Salaam Rapid Transit (DART) system, Tanzania |url=https://doi.org/10.1016/j.retrec.2014.09.040 |journal=Research in Transportation Economics |volume=48 |pages=176–183 |doi=10.1016/j.retrec.2014.09.040 |issn=0739-8859}}</ref> |- | valign="center" |IPT Micro-modes (Bodaboda & Bajaj) | valign="center" |Informal Micro-Mobility Sector | valign="center" |Informal motorcycle (bodaboda) and tricycle (bajaj) operators. They serve as critical life support for low-income non-CBD travel and provide essential door-to-door flexibility under poor road conditions.<ref>{{Cite journal |last=Joseph |first=Lucy |last2=Neven |first2=An |last3=Martens |first3=Karel |last4=Kweka |first4=Opportuna |last5=Wets |first5=Geert |last6=Janssens |first6=Davy |date=2020-09-10 |title=Activity Participation and Perceptions on Informal Public Transport and Bus Rapid Transit in Dar es Salaam |url=https://doi.org/10.1177/0361198120948058 |journal=Transportation Research Record: Journal of the Transportation Research Board |volume=2674 |issue=11 |pages=573–583 |doi=10.1177/0361198120948058 |issn=0361-1981}}</ref> |- | valign="center" |DART Agency | valign="center" |Public Asset & Planning Authority | valign="center" |A government asset-owning planning authority under the Prime Minister's Office (PO-RALG). It is responsible for BRT infrastructure delivery and concession oversight. <ref name=":1" /> |- | valign="center" |UDART | valign="center" |PPP Concessionaire (SPV) | valign="center" |The special purpose vehicle (SPV) operating the BRT Phase 1 concession. It was formed as a PPP model, integrating the private Daladala Operators Association (DARCOBOA) to engage informal stakeholders.<ref name=":2">{{Cite book |last=Hoyos Guerrero |first=Alejandro |url=https://doi.org/10.1596/978-1-4648-1682-6 |title=Public-Private Partnerships in Urban Bus Systems: An Analytical Framework for Project Identification and Preparation |last2=Lopez Dodero |first2=Abel |date=2021-06-28 |publisher=The World Bank |isbn=978-1-4648-1682-6}}</ref> |- | valign="center" |International Financial Institutions (World Bank & AfDB) | valign="center" |Multilateral Development Bank (MDB) | valign="center" |The primary funding sources and facilitators of global "policy mobility," transferring Latin American BRT models to sub-Saharan Africa.<ref name=":3">{{Cite journal |last=Wood |first=Astrid |date=2015-02-04 |title=Competing for Knowledge: Leaders and Laggards of Bus Rapid Transit in South Africa |url=https://doi.org/10.1007/s12132-014-9248-y |journal=Urban Forum |volume=26 |issue=2 |pages=203–221 |doi=10.1007/s12132-014-9248-y |issn=1015-3802}}</ref> |} == Timeline of Events == {| class="wikitable mw-collapsible" |+Timeline of the "Taxi wars" in South Africa !Year !Event description |- |1977 |The federal government signs the "Road Transportation Act of 1977" into law<ref>{{Cite web |title=Road Transportation Act 74 of 1977 {{!}} South African Government |url=https://www.gov.za/documents/road-transportation-act-16-apr-2015-0812 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.gov.za}}</ref> - failing to define minibus as a category, allowing taxi operators to operate them |- |1986-1987 |The number of informal taxi permits nation wide raises from 7,093 to 34, 378<ref name=":5">{{Cite journal |date=2013-03-01 |title=The lurch towards formalisation: Lessons from the implementation of BRT in Johannesburg, South Africa |url=https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0739885912000753 |journal=Research in Transportation Economics |language=en-US |volume=39 |issue=1 |pages=114–120 |doi=10.1016/j.retrec.2012.06.003 |issn=0739-8859}}</ref> |- |1988 |The federal government signs the "Transport Deregulation Act of 1988" into law<ref>{{Cite web |title=Transport Deregulation Act 80 of 1988 {{!}} South African Government |url=https://www.gov.za/documents/transport-deregulation-act-18-may-2015-1306#:~:text=Transport%20Deregulation%20Act%2080%20of%201988%20%7C%20South%20African%20Government |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.gov.za}}</ref> |- |1993 |Taxi wars death toll was 330 deaths in 1993<ref name=":5" /> |- | rowspan="2" |1994 |Apartheid in South Africa ends - however, its legacy on the spatial layout of cities will go on to affect urban transport for decades still |- |In Cape Town, the taxi association Codeta splits and CATA is formed, starting an intense and violent rivalry<ref>{{Cite news |last=Wines |first=Michael |date=2006-09-17 |title=Cartels Battle for Supremacy in South Africa’s Taxi Wars |language=en-US |work=The New York Times |url=https://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/17/world/africa/cartels-battle-for-supremacy-in-south-africas-taxi-wars.html |access-date=2026-05-22 |issn=0362-4331}}</ref> |- |1996 |The government produces a whitepaper on the state of the transportation industry in South Africa<ref>{{Cite web |title=National Transport Policy White Paper {{!}} South African Government |url=https://www.gov.za/documents/white-papers/national-transport-policy-white-paper-20-aug-1996 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.gov.za}}</ref> one of the key recommendation is the taxi recapitalization plan (TRP) which aimed to help decommission the older and less safe vehicles that were used at the time. (A timeline was set for all older models to be replaced by 2005) |- |2001 |The South African National Taxi Council (SANTACO) is formed |- |2003 |Informal transit collectively reaches a 60 percent market share<ref name=":5" /> |- |2004 |A revised version of the TRP is introduced, providing more money for replacing older busses - However, this does not do anything to curb the overtrading of routes, forcing drivers to operate newer and more costly vehicles on the same routes with the same low profit margins<ref>{{Cite journal |last=McKay |first=Tracey |last2=Simpson |first2=Zach |last3=Patel |first3=Naeem |date=2017-03-01 |title=Spatial politics and infrastructure development: Analysis of historical transportation data in Gauteng - South Africa (1975–2003) |url=https://www.sciendo.com/article/10.1515/mgrsd-2017-0003 |journal=Miscellanea Geographica |language=en |volume=21 |issue=1 |pages=35–43 |doi=10.1515/mgrsd-2017-0003 |issn=2084-6118}}</ref> |- |2007 |South Africa's first Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) line is planned to open in Johannesburg, where the government and local taxi associations came to a tentative agreement to replace the informal service along the corridor, allowing the affected associations and drivers to convert to the BRT operator<ref name=":5" /><ref name=":6">{{Cite journal |last=Bähre |first=Erik |date=2014-11 |title=A TRICKLE-UP ECONOMY: MUTUALITY, FREEDOM AND VIOLENCE IN CAPE TOWN'S TAXI ASSOCIATIONS |url=https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/africa/article/abs/trickleup-economy-mutuality-freedom-and-violence-in-cape-towns-taxi-associations/E6FF741B122E54F9F84AF4119EF89ECD |journal=Africa |language=en |volume=84 |issue=4 |pages=576–594 |doi=10.1017/S000197201400045X |issn=0001-9720}}</ref> |- | rowspan="2" |2009 |three days after opening [Rea Vaya], violence erupted from disgruntled taxi drivers fearing loss of income<ref name=":5" /> |- |The chairman of SANTACO was gunned down, the organization was accused of taking bribes from the government by rival associations<ref name=":6" /> |- |2010 |A new contract was signed [Rea Vaya], where 313 taxi operators became operators for the BRT company<ref name=":5" /> |- |2012 |SANTACO president Kabulani Mthembu steps down after an audit revealed he had stolen nearly one million rand from the association<ref name=":6" /> |- |2017 |An Uber driver dies after their car is set alight<ref name=":7">Rampedi M. War for the streets: Maponya mall becomes latest frontline in Taxi–E-hailing clash. Spotcovery [BLOG]. 2025. <nowiki>https://www.proquest.com/blogs-podcasts-websites/war-streets-maponya-mall-becomes-latest-frontline/docview/3240276444/se-2</nowiki>.</ref> |- |2024 |Piotrans - the private firm which bid and won the contract to operate the Rey Vaya BRT - goes bankrupt. The company had an alleged history of gross mismanagement dating back to around 2016<ref>{{Cite web |title=Gale - Institution Finder |url=https://galeapps.gale.com/apps/auth?userGroupName=&sid=summon&origURL=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.gale.com%2Fps%2Fi.do%3Fid%3DGALE%257CA779855589%26v%3D2.1%26it%3Dr%26sid%3Dsummon%26asid%3D0bd92d4c.%26u%3D%26p%3DSTND&prodId=STND |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=galeapps.gale.com}}</ref> A report finds that taxi operators owned a significant share in the company, which could have been used to undermine the operations from the inside |- |2025 |two e-hailing taxi drivers were attacked, one shot and the others car torched<ref name=":7" /> |} {| class="wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" |+Nairobi, Kenya !Year !Event description |- |Early 1960s |First Matatu’s were developed by entrepreneurial Africans who constructed the makeshift vehicles using old motor parts left behind by the British<ref>{{Cite web |last=Bamehriz"} |first={"name"=>"Walid |last2=Berger"} |first2={"name"=>"Jessica |last3=Fazili"} |first3={"name"=>"Osman |last4=Valentine "} |first4={"name"=>"Taylor |title=Flows of Urban Transport in Nairobi, Kenya: What role do matatus play in Nairobi's future? |url=https://www.learngala.com/cases/eas537kenyamatatus |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Gala |language=en}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |last=By |title=Blind to the matatus |url=https://africasacountry.com/2019/06/blind-to-the-matatu |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=africasacountry.com |language=en-US}}</ref>. They gained traction after Kenya gained independence from the United Kingdom in 1963. |- |1973 |Matatus are explicitly deemed legal by President Jomo Kenyatta<ref>{{Cite book |url=http://archive.org/details/oapen-20.500.12657-63441 |title=Matatu - A History of Popular Transportation in Nairobi |date=2017 |language=English}}</ref>. |- |1984 |The start of the initial basic regulatory framework surrounding matatus with President Moi passing a law requiring matatus to be inspected and licensed<ref name=":8">{{Cite book |url=http://archive.org/details/oapen-20.500.12657-63441 |title=Matatu - A History of Popular Transportation in Nairobi |date=2017 |language=English}}</ref>. |- |1980s-1990s |Matatu operators began to paint the exterior of their vehicles with flashy colours and unique artwork, and play hip-hop music at loud volumes as a tactic to lure passengers. This tactic was attributable to the prevalent widespread hip-hop music and culture by African-Americans during this period<ref name=":8" />. |- |1990s-2000s |Informal groups, such as Mungiki, emerged managing routes and requiring matatu drivers to pay fees. Resulted in violent competition over control of routes and a barrier for new owners to enter the business/market. Emergence of new minivans being used by wealthier owners from the brands Nissan, Toyota, and Isuzu. A new generation of educated young adult drivers that were mostly men, entered the industry and began to shift the social and political landscape<ref name=":8" />. |- |2004 |Transport Minister John Michuki issues a set of key traffic safety regulations, enforcing all matatus to have speed governors to cap the maximum speed to 80 km/h, seatbelts for all passengers, open driver identification, and yellow lines on the body of vehicles identifying licensed passenger service vehicles. Often referred to as the “Michuki Rules” <ref name=":8" /><ref>{{Cite web |date=2018-11-12 |title=The rise, success, death and resurrection of Michuki rules |url=https://citizen.digital/article/the-rise-success-death-and-resurrection-of-michuki-rules-218721 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Citizen Digital |language=en-KE}}</ref>. |- |December 2010 |The Government of Kenya bans 14 seater vehicles to encourage matatu operators to invest in higher capacity vehicles<ref>{{Cite web |last=Marilyn |first=Ommeh |title=The Politics Behind the Phasing Out of the 14-seater Matatu in Kenya |url=https://erepository.uonbi.ac.ke/server/api/core/bitstreams/ea72c292-33a5-47d2-b156-8df39e356c6a/content}}</ref>. Ministry of Transport issues the two following directives: * A ban on 14 seater vehicles to encourage matatu operators to invest in higher capacity vehicles. * All individual matatu must be affiliated with a SACCO. |- |2012 |The National Transport and Safety Authority Act of 2012 is signed and the National Transport Safety Authority is formed. |- |2014 |The Public Service Vehicle (PSV) Regulations 2014 is signed, outlining licensing requirements, vehicle standards, and inspection procedures for public transport vehicles<ref>{{Cite web |date=2025-03-27 |title=Navigating Kenya’s PSV Maze: Challenges, Compliance, and the Road to Reform Part 2 |url=https://dkma.co.ke/blog/navigating-kenyas-psv-maze-challenges-compliance-and-the-road-to-reform-part-2 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Dennis Kimani Mutonga, Advocate |language=en}}</ref>. |- |2015 |Laws prohibiting flashy paint-jobs and eye-searing colors were removed in 2015. Changes in the archetypal form of the matatu, with larger bus-sized vehicles starting to also be used as matatus. |- |Spring of 2019 |The Governor of Nairobi banned all matatus from the city centre, resulting in transport chaos. The ban was lifted in under a day<ref>{{Cite web |last=Radford,L |date=2019-11-19 |title=Rethinking trade unions and worker rights through Nairobi’s matatu industry - Africa at LSE |url=https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/africaatlse/2019/11/19/trade-unions-worker-rights-nairobi-matatu-inequality/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Africa at LSE - LSE’s engagement with Africa}}</ref>. |- |May 2026 |Matatu operators announce a 50% fare increase due to rising fuel costs<ref>{{Cite web |date=2026-05-15 |title=Matatu fares increased by 50% as operators call for countrywide strike from Monday |url=https://citizen.digital/article/matatu-fares-increased-by-50-operators-call-for-countrywide-strike-over-fuel-prices-n382771 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Citizen Digital |language=en-KE}}</ref>. |} {| class="wikitable mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" |+Timeline of Transit Transformation in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania ! valign="center" |Year ! valign="center" |Event Description |- | valign="center" |1949 | valign="center" |The British-owned Dar es Salaam Motor Transport (DMT) initiates formal private bus services under low-demand colonial spatial limits.<ref name=":0" /> |- | valign="center" |1974 | valign="center" |The Tanzanian government nationalizes DMT to form UDA, pursuing a socialist, state-controlled transit monopoly.<ref name=":0" /> |- | valign="center" |Late 1970s – 1983 | valign="center" |Macroeconomic crises paralyze UDA. The active fleet drops below 100 buses, forcing citizens to rely on illegal, informal vans—the precursor to Daladalas.<ref name=":0" /> |- | valign="center" |1983 | valign="center" |The Transport Licensing Act Amendment de-criminalizes private paratransit. Daladalas gain legal entry, initiating an era of free-market deregulation.<ref name=":1" /> |- | valign="center" |1980s – 2000s | valign="center" |Total market dominance by Daladalas. Extreme traffic congestion ensues, bringing central corridor travel speeds to a critical crawl.<ref name=":1" /> |- | valign="center" |2004 | valign="center" |The SUMATRA Act is passed and enforced, re-establishing route-licensing and maximum tariff controls over informal minibuses.<ref name=":1" /> |- | valign="center" |2012 | valign="center" |Construction begins on Phase 1 of the DART BRT system, funded by a World Bank loan.<ref name=":1" /> |- | valign="center" |2016 – Present | valign="center" |DART Phase 1 launches under a PPP framework. Main corridors transition to regulated electronic ticketing, while Daladalas and bajajis motor tricycle are pushed to peripheral feeder markets.<ref name=":2" /> |} == Maps of Locations == [[File:Tanzania_transport_map-fr.svg|thumb|204x204px|Tanzania transport map]] == Clear Identification of Policy Issues == ==== Tanzania： ==== 1. Market Efficiency vs. Social Equity: Student Exclusion Under a deregulated system with zero financial subsidies, profit-driven private minibuses systematically reject, evict, and abuse low-fare students during peak hours, causing a severe failure in basic public transit equity.<ref name=":0" /> 2. The "Implementation Gap" within the Bus PPP Framework. Top down BRT design is independent of local regulatory capacity; the implementation of the fleet has been hampered by the absence of strict public oversight and the protracted fare clearinghouse disagreements, which has kept the fleet grounded with modern buses and excessive passenger delays. <ref name=":2" /> 3. Fragmented Multimodal Integration Authority There is no unified transit authority for the city. The BRT, conventional paratransit, ferries and new Standard Gauge Railway (SGR) all operate within their own silos, thus preventing the development of an integrated electronic ticketing system and synergy of the multimodal system.<ref name=":0" /> ==== South Africa ==== 1. Top down approach to formalization Many of the governments top down approaches to formalizing the industry have failed to meet their goals for a multitude of reasons, and have even created more unintended consequences that will need to be rectified before widespread formalization can be complete. For instance, the taxi recapitalization program aimed at modernizing the ageing and often poorly maintained fleet, failed to address the underlying cause of the issue - maintenance was on each owner, and they were already strapped for cash. In addition, the program unintentionally made the taxy associations into very powerful middlemen between banks, the government and the vehicle manufacturers, which increased their influence further<ref name=":6" />. 2. Failure of the governments approach to inclusion in policy making Even though the government of South Africa had set up the NTT and had promoted SANTACO to a quasi governmental organization, they failed to listen to the needs of the taxi associations on multiple occasions, leading to a further erosion in trust that the government was actin in the best interests of the industry as a whole. As an example, a large multimodal transit hub was planned and constructed in Bloemfontein at a cost of 400 million rands. The goal of this facility was to help ease congestion on narrow CBD roads and to help passengers interchange with more modes of public transit more easily. However, the facility was woefully under designed to handle the amount of taxi bus traffic that was to use the facility<ref>{{Cite journal |last=Matebesi |first=Sethulego Z. |date=2019-01-08 |title=Insurgent Citizenship and Sustained Resistance of a Local Taxi Association |url=https://czasopisma.uni.lodz.pl/qualit/article/view/3986 |journal=Qualitative Sociology Review |language=en |volume=14 |issue=4 |pages=168–185 |doi=10.18778/1733-8077.14.4.11 |issn=1733-8077}}</ref>. '''Kenya''' 1. Lack of Enforcement of Regulations and Policies Matatus have historically been documented to be unsafe and involved in a high number of traffic accidents, which were the result of a combination of unregulated vehicles that were unroadworthy along with reckless driving behaviour that was motivated by picking up as many passengers as possible. Several regulatory laws, policies and organisations have been introduced since 1984 to address the safety issues and to regulate the matatu industry, as outlined in the timeline of events. The implementation of these changes were documented to have immediate positive effects, with high compliance rates throughout the country resulting in increased safety. However, it has been consistently observed by the communities in Kenya that the changes are short-lived as compliance rates of the laws all fall dramatically shortly after their introduction<ref>{{Cite web |last=Dennis |first=Okore |date=2025-03-27 |title=The Failure of Self-Regulation in Kenya’s Matatu Sector: A Public Policy Disaster |url=https://okoreesq.medium.com/the-failure-of-self-regulation-in-kenyas-matatu-sector-a-public-policy-disaster-95b101b529c3 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Medium |language=en}}</ref>. This issue is further complicated by a large population of traffic police officers, local politicians, and other government officials who have been documented to be highly involved in corruption, taking bribes and working in cooperation with illegal gangs to extort money from matatu operators. In 2024 the EACC estimated that Kenya loses approximately 608 billion Kenyan Shilling annually<ref>{{Cite web |last=contributors |first=George Githaiga & Julius Bett |title=Katiba Institute |url=https://katibainstitute.org/case-for-global-court-to-fight-graft/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |language=en}}</ref>. 2. Government’s Future Plans of Public Transport and Formal Employment Several government bodies in Kenya have been developing plans for implementing a BRT (Bus Rapid Transit) system since the early 2000s and shifting towards formal employment in the public transport sector in place of the IPT (informal public transport) system currently in place with matatus, with plans of banning matatus in the future<ref>{{Cite web |date=2020-11-20 |title=Better than a ban: Prioritising efficient public transport in the Nairobi CBD |url=https://africa.itdp.org/better-than-a-ban-prioritising-efficient-public-transport-in-the-nairobi-cbd/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Institute for Transportation and Development Policy |language=en-US}}</ref>. Notably, NaMATA have had plans of developing BRT corridors, a commuter rail network, and non-motorised transport infrastructure such as bike lanes<ref>{{Cite web |title=Projects & Programmes – NaMATA |url=https://namata.go.ke/projects-programmes/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |language=en-US}}</ref>. There have been several attempts at matatu bans in Nairobi’s CBD, including in 2009 when the Nairobi City Council attempted to ban all public service vehicles from the CBD which was stopped due to the pressure from transport workers, in 2018 when the serving Governor at the time banned matatus from the CBD which was lifted in less than a day due to public outrage, and in around 2020 when the Nairobi Metropolitan Services intent to ban them by 2022 which did not follow through<ref>{{Cite web |date=2020-11-20 |title=Better than a ban: Prioritising efficient public transport in the Nairobi CBD |url=https://africa.itdp.org/better-than-a-ban-prioritising-efficient-public-transport-in-the-nairobi-cbd/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Institute for Transportation and Development Policy |language=en-US}}</ref>. There are additional political obstacles to implementing such a ban as there are several politicians who are financially invested in matatu fleets, which is a conflict of interest<ref>{{Cite web |last=By |title=Blind to the matatus |url=https://africasacountry.com/2019/06/blind-to-the-matatu |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=africasacountry.com |language=en-US}}</ref>. Currently approximately 85% of people in Africa have been estimated to work in the informal employment industry, and recent pushes towards formal employment have reduced employment in unionised public sectors, resulting in an increase in this number<ref>{{Cite web |last=Radford,L |date=2019-11-19 |title=Rethinking trade unions and worker rights through Nairobi’s matatu industry - Africa at LSE |url=https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/africaatlse/2019/11/19/trade-unions-worker-rights-nairobi-matatu-inequality/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Africa at LSE - LSE’s engagement with Africa}}</ref>. The government's plan to ban matatus and shift to formal employment in Kenya raises concerns over the careers of the current large population of the informally employed. 3. Graffiti Policy Dispute In May 2025, the NTSA issued a directive ordering all matatus to remove any graffiti, artistic branding, and tinted windows, citing safety grounds of driver visibility and difficulties in identifying vehicles involved in accidents. This directive was upheld in the High Court when it was challenged in April 2026, threatening the Nganya culture of the matatus, which risks eliminating the livelihoods of graffiti artists, DJs, designers, and digital content creators who rely on this culture<ref>{{Cite web |last=Kubwa |first=Carolyne |date=2026-04-29 |title=High Court upholds NTSA ban on matatu graffiti, tinted windows in major blow to nganya culture |url=https://eastleighvoice.co.ke/news/341087/high-court-upholds-ntsa-ban-on-matatu-graffiti-tinted-windows-in-major-blow-to-nganya-culture |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=The Eastleigh Voice |language=en-KE}}</ref>. President William Ruto has directed the NTSA to halt this move on the 22nd of May 2026<ref>{{Cite web |date=2026-05-22 |title=Ruto Stops NTSA Move to Ban Graffiti on Matatus - Kenyans.co.ke |url=https://www.kenyans.co.ke/news/123659-ruto-stops-ntsa-move-ban-graffiti-matatus |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.kenyans.co.ke |language=en}}</ref>. == Narrative of the case == ==== Tanzania： ==== Public transport in Dar es Salaam was once a failed state owned monopoly under UDA, but following the economic crisis it was deregulated and became an informal Daladala minibus system. While Daladalas grew mobility quickly, the lack of regulation led to unregulated competition, pollution and congestion.<ref name=":0" /><ref name=":1" /> The government introduced the DART BRT in 2016 to address these issues and introduced the former Daladala operators into the new system, however the informal system is still used by many in peripheral areas.<ref name=":2" /><ref name=":3" /> ==== South Africa: ==== Public transport in South Africa continues to be dominated by the informal and often politically powerful taxi associations. Over the last few decades many attempts to re-regulate the industry or formalize the corporations has met resistance, and has slowed the progress of expansion of even traditional bus services into some areas. Taxi drivers fear for their income, and the mafia like entities that are the taxi associations want to keep control to maintain their economic and political power. The government has a history of going with a far to heavy handed top down approach, instead of working with the taxi associations in a more clear and open way, to provide both job security and better transport to its citizens. '''Kenya:''' <u>Overview</u> Kenya’s free-market bus system is run by privately owned minibuses or shared taxis called matatus, which are known for their cultural heritage of vibrant graffiti artwork, loud hip-hop music. Since their emergence in the 1960s, matatus have been a favoured choice of public transit in Kenya with 60-70% of commuters relying on matatus as part of their daily commute. Matatus have become the primary transport mode for commuters in Kenya due to their flexible, on-demand routes, in addition to the lack of people who can afford private cars, poor public road conditions which prevent cycling, and lack of fast and reliable public transport infrastructure like commuter trains, trams, and BRT<ref>{{Cite book |url=http://archive.org/details/oapen-20.500.12657-63441 |title=Matatu - A History of Popular Transportation in Nairobi |date=2017 |language=English}}</ref>. The public perception of matatu is based on their historical affiliation with criminal activity, violent gangs, and reckless driving in unsafe vehicles. Several gangs and similar criminal groups have violently fought for the control of matatu routes since the 1990s, leading matatus to be perceived as unsafe<ref>{{Cite web |last=Radford,L |date=2019-11-19 |title=Rethinking trade unions and worker rights through Nairobi’s matatu industry - Africa at LSE |url=https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/africaatlse/2019/11/19/trade-unions-worker-rights-nairobi-matatu-inequality/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Africa at LSE - LSE’s engagement with Africa}}</ref>. There have also been frequent reports of mistreatment of passengers which include abuse, theft, hijacking, sexual harassment, and sexual assault<ref>{{Cite web |date=2026-05-22 |title=Matatu workers’ story: speaking out against discrimination {{!}} ITF Global |url=https://www.itfglobal.org/en/stories/matatu-workers-story-speaking-out-against-discrimination |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.itfglobal.org |language=en}}</ref>. Matatus account for approximately 43.6% of road traffic accidents<ref>{{Cite journal |last=Mirzoev |first=Tolib |date=2014-01-01 |title=Understanding road safety in Kenya: views of matatu drivers |url=https://www.academia.edu/44160753/Understanding_road_safety_in_Kenya_views_of_matatu_drivers |journal=International Health |doi=10.1093/INTHEALTH/IHU034}}</ref>.These issues are further aggravated by prevalent corruption in police officers who take bribes from matatu operators with threats of fines and towing of their vehicle. <u>The Future of Matatus</u> The current matatu population almost entirely consists of diesel vehicles, a large number of which are poorly maintained and unroadworthy<ref>{{Cite web |date=2026-04-19 |title=Explained: Everything NTSA Will Flag During Mandatory Private Car Inspections - Kenyans.co.ke |url=https://www.kenyans.co.ke/news/122714-explained-everything-ntsa-will-flag-during-mandatory-private-car-inspections |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.kenyans.co.ke |language=en}}</ref>, and are frequently idling, creating accessory air and noise pollution. To address these issues, the government of Kenya has launched the 2026 National Electric Mobility Policy to transition towards newer sustainable EVs<ref>{{Cite web |title=NATIONAL ELECTRIC MOBILITY POLICY TO PROMOTE DEVELOPMENT AND ENHANCE ADOPTION OF ELECTRIC MOBILITY IN KENYA |url=https://www.transport.go.ke/sites/default/files/Emobility%20Policy%20Final.pdf}}</ref>. Selected SACCOs have started using electric buses as matatus since 2022 by renting them from the company BasiGo<ref>{{Cite web |title=Super Metro gets first electric bus |url=https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/realtime/2023-02-15-supermetro-bus-service-gets-first-electric-bus/}}</ref>. The Kenyan Government has consistently planned to ban matatus in favour of BRT and other transit methods, with all current attempts failing due to public outrage. Future plans of BRT are still in place as of 2026, by NaMATA. == Discussion Questions == # What approach would you take to regulate or formalize and industry like this? # Would a single organization be able to effectively regulate this type of transport across one city, let alone an entire country? # Why did the project like DART struggle to fit local conditions, and how did weak land-use planning reduce its effectiveness? == Complete References == 2akugr5vg7701i33w1qapyx6opejkjv 4637126 4637029 2026-05-23T04:16:24Z Mrpearsonw 3581081 4637126 wikitext text/x-wiki = A brief history of free market busses in Africa = == Summary == Many African countries public transportation systems are dominated by informal, private systems that operate using small to medium size vehicles that do not follow regular routes and/or stop locations. The informal industry has been mired in violence, corruption and controversies since its inception, yet despite these drawbacks the system thrives because they offer increased flexibility and decreased cost of service compared to more traditional rigid structured public transit systems. In recent years, in addition to increasing government pressure to formalize, the industry also faces stiff competition from ride hailing services such as Uber and other local options which can offer an increased sense of safety. This book aims to provide readers with an overview of systems in three countries, to showcase similarities and differences in the rise and regulation (or attempt thereof) of these informal bus systems. == Annotated List of Actors == {| class="wikitable mw-collapsible" |+South Africa !Sector !Name of stakeholder/Actor !Role |- | rowspan="2" |Informal bus industry |Bus operators |Often each driver is an owner operator of just one minibus who joins an association which then dictates which route they service. This assignment can determine the amount of money each driver earns so competition for the best routes often ensues |- |Taxi associations |These associations are made up of many owner operators and provide the routes to the drivers. They also offer "protection" to their drivers and enforce boundaries of their territory from other rival associations<ref name=":4">Schuler C. Kings of the road fuel deadly taxi war: The fight to control south africa's lucrative routes has left 1,120 people dead. A hit on a driver can cost as little as $1,200: [national edition]. National Post. Nov 06 1999:A14. Available from: <nowiki>https://www.proquest.com/newspapers/kings-road-fuel-deadly-taxi-war-fight-control/docview/329616964/se-2</nowiki>.</ref> |- | rowspan="4" |Government |National governments |Introduces the unregulated industry - Then tries to reregulate it when complications arise |- |State governments |Laws and regulation attempts/willingness vary by state |- |Municipal governments |Cities often complain about the effects of the industry on local areas, such as increased traffic congestion and road safety concerns - They cannot usually do much to regulate - but they can set where the taxi stands go. Some do try to work with the industry to reform them into regular bus operators. |- |Police agencies |In the past, these agencies have often been corrupt and complacent allowing violence to continue within the informal industry<ref name=":4" /> |- | rowspan="5" |Private Firms |Regular bus operators |These are the service providers of the regular scheduled transit systems, and BRT systems that the informal industry often cites as competing with them with unfair advantages (they are usually subsidized) |- |Uber/Ride hailing |Provides a similar service as the informal taxi bus industry, creating more competition |- |Long distance bus operators |The informal industry may also receive competition from intercity bus operators such as greyhound |- |Vehicle manufacturers |Toyota is the main proponent of this category, as many of the taxis in the industry are the Toyota HiAce passenger vehicle. Since they are one of the only options, Toyota has increased the price rapidly in recent years - exacerbating economic impacts upon the drivers. |- |Banks providing loans |Some banks allowed taxi drivers or associations to file for loans to help them purchase newer, more roadworthy vehicles |- |Industry groups |National or local groups aimed at lobbying the government in favor of the industry |groups like SANTACO which aim to provide the industry with a more formal structure, in order to help facilitate the growth of the industry |} {| class="wikitable mw-collapsible" |+Kenya !Stakeholder Group !Members !Interests, Concerns, and Issues |- | rowspan="4" |Matatu (Minibus) Operators |Matatu Drivers |Drivers operate the matatus on assigned routes and must meet the vehicle owner’s daily revenue target before keeping any surplus fares. The majority of matatu drivers work over 12 hours a day with no formal employment contracts, pension, or sick leave<ref>{{Cite web |last=Radford,L |date=2019-11-19 |title=Rethinking trade unions and worker rights through Nairobi’s matatu industry - Africa at LSE |url=https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/africaatlse/2019/11/19/trade-unions-worker-rights-nairobi-matatu-inequality/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Africa at LSE - LSE’s engagement with Africa}}</ref>. The field is male dominated, primarily due to the lack of safety for women in matatus, with approximately 76% of employees having experienced or witnessed sexual harassment <ref>{{Cite web |date=2024-04-08 |title=Flone Initiative: Safe & Professional Transport industry |url=https://floneinitiative.org/,%20https://floneinitiative.org |access-date=2026-05-22 |language=en-US}}</ref>. |- |Matatu Owners |Owners of the matatu vehicles lease out these vehicles to drivers under the daily target model. They bear the capital costs of owning the vehicles, and usually take out loans while also paying for insurance, SACCO fees, daily operating expenses such as fuel, and extortion levies to criminal bodies who control profitable routes. While highly profitable in certain popular routes, the majority of matatu owners have very thin margins while experiencing heavy debt from vehicle financing<ref>{{Cite web |last=Roberto |first=Muyela |date=2020-12-29 |title=Multi-billion matatu theft: Cartels and police officers making life miserable for car owners - Tuko.co.ke |url=https://www.tuko.co.ke/398270-multi-billion-matatu-theft-cartels-police-officers-making-life-miserable-car-owners.html |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.tuko.co.ke |language=en}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |title=All You Need to Venture into the Matatu Business in Kenya |url=https://www.money254.co.ke/post/all-you-need-to-venture-into-the-matatu-business-in-kenya-investments |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.money254.co.ke |language=en}}</ref> |- |Makanga (Matatu Operators) |The makanga are the conductors of the matatus, responsible for managing passengers and collecting fares, making sure the vehicle meets their daily targets, while also paying SACCO officials and criminal extortion levies. It is commonly considered a dangerous and precarious job, as most conductors only receive informal pay in the form of tips and a small amount of commission, while also being vulnerable to injuries and arrests from traffic officers. The field is male dominated, primarily due to the lack of safety for women in matatus, with approximately 76% of employees having experienced or witnessed sexual harassment<ref>{{Cite web |date=2024-04-08 |title=Flone Initiative: Safe & Professional Transport industry |url=https://floneinitiative.org/,%20https://floneinitiative.org |access-date=2026-05-22 |language=en-US}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |last=Osoro |first=William |date=2025-03-19 |title=Video of Beautiful Matatu Conductor Collecting Fare Confuses Kenyan Men - Tuko.co.ke |url=https://www.tuko.co.ke/kenya/582585-video-beautiful-matatu-conductor-collecting-fare-confuses-kenyan-men/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.tuko.co.ke |language=en}}</ref>. |- |SACCOs (Savings and Credit Co-operatives) |SACCOs are a member-owned financial institution where money is pooled from individuals and remittance payments to provide loans to one another at reasonable interest rates. Matatu are legally required to operate in affiliation with a SACCO<ref>{{Cite web |date=2026-04-08 |title=What Are SACCOs? How Savings and Credit Cooperatives Are Changing East Africa |url=https://financialinclusion.fyi/posts/what-are-saccos |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=financialinclusion.fyi |language=en}}</ref>. SACCOs primarily provide financial assistance to matatu owners and employees, with strong SACCOs also providing structure by establishing branding through vehicle branding and vehicle uniforms, providing routes, and helping solve internal disputes. While SACCOs theoretically self-regulate themselves and their activities, many experience weak governance and internal mismanagement<ref>{{Cite web |last=K |first=Rose |date=2025-12-11 |title=Top Challenges Facing SACCOs in Kenya Today |url=https://saccochampions.co.ke/challenges-facing-saccos-kenya/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Kenya Sacco Champions |language=en-US}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |date=2026-02-23 |title=When engines went silent: Why some powerful matatu saccos faded away |url=https://www.pulse.co.ke/story/when-engines-went-silent-why-some-powerful-matatu-saccos-faded-away-2026022312573971457 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Pulse Kenya |language=en}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |title=Saving and Credit Cooperative Organizations (SACCOs) {{!}} Global Forum on Migration and Development |url=https://www.gfmd.org/pfp/ppd/24766 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.gfmd.org}}</ref>. |- | rowspan="2" |Industry Bodies and Labour Unions |MOA (Matatu Owners Association) |The MOA is an umbrella organisation formed by individuals that represent matatu owners and investors by lobbying, advocating, and negotiating with the NTSA (National Transport and Safety Authority) and the government. They publicly advocate for better and safer roads, and protection from extortion and over-regulation<ref>{{Cite web |title=DevelopmentAid |url=https://www.developmentaid.org/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=DevelopmentAid |language=en}}</ref>. |- |TAWU-K (Transport Workers Union of Kenya) |TAWU-K is a major union representing over 28, 000 employees, including matatu drivers and conductors. Their primary role is to advocate for formal employment conditions, social protection, and better work standards<ref>{{Cite web |title=Transport Workers Union – Kenya – In unity, we find strength |url=https://twu.or.ke/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |language=en-US}}</ref>. |- | rowspan="2" |Passengers |Regular Commuters |Primary customers of the matatus include commuters and the working class, the youth and students, traders and rural travelers. 60-70% of commuters rely on matatus for their daily commutes. Commuters who rely on Matatus face the following issues and concerns: * Commuters are often forced to rely on Matatus as they cannot afford private vehicles and the road conditions are too unsafe for bicycles. Their dependence on matatus means when matatu owners and drivers go on strike around 10-15 times per year, they experience immediate livelihood consequences <ref>{{Cite book |url=http://archive.org/details/oapen-20.500.12657-63441 |title=Matatu - A History of Popular Transportation in Nairobi |date=2017 |language=English}}</ref>. * Women frequently experience sexual harassment and sexual assault<ref>{{Cite web |last=Blog |first={{!}} |date=2014-09-03 |title=Women speak out against sexual assault in Kenya |url=https://ajws.org/blog/women-speak-out-sexual-assault-kenya/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=American Jewish World Service – AJWS |language=en-US}}</ref> * Increased fares due to route gangs who inflate fares, and an ongoing fuel crisis<ref>{{Cite web |date=2026-05-15 |title=Matatu fares increased by 50% as operators call for countrywide strike from Monday |url=https://citizen.digital/article/matatu-fares-increased-by-50-operators-call-for-countrywide-strike-over-fuel-prices-n382771 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Citizen Digital |language=en-KE}}</ref> * Physical safety issues surrounding reckless driving and overloading vehicles. Matatus are involved in a large proportion of road accidents in Kenya<ref>{{Cite web |date=18 July 2014 |title=Understanding road safety in Kenya: views of matatu drivers |url=https://academic.oup.com/inthealth/article/6/3/242/2964838}}</ref> |- |Tourists and Visitors |Tourists are generally advised to avoid Matatus due to their safety concerns. However, there are still a number of tourists attracted to the loud and vibrant culture surrounding matatus. Tourists are frequently targeted by corrupt matatu drivers, conductors, and gangs, who take advantage of tourists by overcharging, stealing, and stranding them far from their destination<ref>{{Cite web |last=Canada |first=Global Affairs |date=2012-11-16 |title=Travel advice and advisories for Uganda |url=https://travel.gc.ca/destinations/uganda |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Travel.gc.ca}}</ref>. |- | rowspan="5" |Regulatory and Government Bodies |Traffic Police |Traffic police are responsible for enforcing traffic laws. However, corruption is a common issue, with documentation showing officers often take bribes from drivers by threatening them with fines and towing their vehicle, and a conflict of interest with several officers owning their own matatu fleets<ref>{{Cite news |last=Peralta |first=Eyder |date=2017-02-04 |title=Kenyan Bus Driver Speaks Out Against Everyday Corruption On Live TV |language=en |work=NPR |url=https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/02/04/512053554/kenyan-bus-driver-speaks-out-against-everyday-corruption-on-live-tv |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |last=Onyango |first=Gedion |date=2022-06-28 |title=The art of bribery: a closeup look at how traffic officers operate on Kenya’s roads |url=https://theconversation.com/the-art-of-bribery-a-closeup-look-at-how-traffic-officers-operate-on-kenyas-roads-185551 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=The Conversation |language=en-US}}</ref> |- |NaMATA (Nairobi Metropolitan Area Transport Authority) |NaMATA is an official Kenyan government agency with the role of overseeing the development, implementation, and development of public transport systems in Kenya<ref>{{Cite web |title=About – NaMATA |url=https://namata.go.ke/about/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |language=en-US}}</ref>. NaMATA have developed plans for a bus rapid transit (BRT) system to clear matatus from the city centre of Nairobi<ref>{{Cite web |title=NAMATA BRT Design Framework |url=https://africa.itdp.org/publication/namata-brt-design-framework/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Institute for Transportation and Development Policy |language=en-US}}</ref>. |- |NTSA (National Transport and Safety Authority) |NTSA is an official Kenyan government agency responsible for transport safety regulation and enforcement<ref>{{Cite web |title=NTSA About Us |url=https://www.ntsa.go.ke/about}}</ref>. The NTSA are responsible for licensing vehicles and SACCOs, and have the power to deregister matatu operators. |- |County Government of Nairobi |Created under the Constitution of Kenya 2010, the Nairobi City County is responsible for policy formulation and leadership of roads, street and other lighting, traffic and parking, and public road transport within the County. County askaris who are responsible for regulating and enforcing policies have been documented abusing their power to take bribes from matatu drivers and conductors<ref>{{Cite web |date=2025-05-21 |title=Nairobi County to control number of matatus per route: How draft law could affect you |url=https://www.pulse.co.ke/story/nairobi-county-to-control-number-of-matatus-per-route-how-draft-law-could-affect-you-2025052104192182610 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Pulse Kenya |language=en}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |date=2019-04-25 |title=About Nairobi City County {{!}} Nairobi City County |url=https://nairobi.go.ke/about-nairobi |access-date=2026-05-22 |language=en-US}}</ref>. |- |EACC (Ethics and Anti-Corruption Commission) |The EACC is an official government body responsible for combatting and preventing corruption. They document and  prosecute corrupt matatu operators, traffic police and other officials involved in matatu corruption<ref>{{Cite web |title=EACC |url=https://eacc.go.ke/en/default |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=EACC |language=en-us}}</ref> |- | rowspan="2" |Criminal Bodies |Route Cartels |Route cartels take advantage of matatu operators and commuters by exclusively controlling profitable routes. They charge matatu operators an entry fee to the routes they control and regularly collect levies from them. Cartels occasionally also work in coordination with matatu operators to organise robberies on passengers, or with police to commit similar crimes<ref>{{Cite web |title=Exploring Public Road Passenger Transport in Kenya – International Association for the History of Transport, Traffic and Mobility |url=https://t2m.org/exploring-public-road-passenger-transport-in-kenya/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=t2m.org}}</ref>. |- |Illegal Gangs (Mungiki and other successor gangs) |Mungiki was previously a criminal gang which started as a Kikuyu youth movement and was linked to frequent extortion, violence, killings and drug trafficking<ref>{{Cite web |last=Canada |first=Immigration and Refugee Board of |date=2025-09-09 |title=Kenya: The Mungiki group, including its status, organizational structure, leadership, membership, recruitment methods, and activities; the relationship between the Kenyan government and the group; whether state protection is available to its victims (2023–September 2025) [KEN202389.E] |url=https://www.ecoi.net/en/document/2130455.html |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=https://irb-cisr.gc.ca/en/country-information/rir/Pages/index.aspx?doc=459053&pls=1 |language=en}}</ref>. The organisation was banned around 2002 and declared finished by its leader in 2009. However, the group and similar gangs are still active and are involved in the extortion of money from matatu operators. There have been links of these gangs cooperating with corrupt police and local politicians to carry out their crimes<ref>{{Cite web |last=Alvin.Mwangi |date=2023-12-01 |title=Matatu crews in fear as extortion gangs re-emerge |url=https://peopledaily.digital/news/matatu-crews-in-fear-as-extortion-gangs-re-emerge |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=People Daily |language=en}}</ref>. |- |Technology |BasiGo |BasiGo is an EV company founded in Nairobi that leases electric buses to SACCOs using a “pay as you drive” system, allowing matatu drivers to utilise the benefits of new EV (reliable, quieter and smoother ride) without any upfront capital costs and debt<ref>{{Cite web |title=Kenya |url=https://www.basi-go.com/kenya |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=BasiGo |language=en-US}}</ref>. |} {| class="wikitable mw-collapsible" |+Tanzania ! valign="center" |Actor ! valign="center" |Actor Type ! valign="center" |Description |- | valign="center" |UDA (Shirika la Usafiri Dar es Salaam) | valign="center" |State-Owned Enterprise (SOE) | valign="center" |The state-owned bus enterprise that held a statutory monopoly following 1974 nationalization. It suffered an operational collapse in the early 1980s due to economic crises and a lack of foreign exchange for fleet maintenance.<ref name=":0">{{Cite book |last=Kanyama |first=Ahmad |title=Public transport in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania: institutional challenges and opportunities for a sustainable transportation system |date=2004 |publisher=Totalförsvarets forskningsinstitut, Institutionen för miljöstrategiska studier |isbn=978-91-7323-103-9 |location=Stockholm}}</ref> |- | valign="center" |Private Paratransit Operators (Daladala Group) | valign="center" |Informal Private Sector | valign="center" |Informal free-market actors who dominated transit post-1983. Operating under a deregulated "Target System" , they maximized supply efficiency but created severe negative externalities. <ref name=":0" /> |- | valign="center" |SUMATRA / LATRA | valign="center" |Statutory Regulatory Authority | valign="center" |The government regulatory body established in 2001 (operational in 2006). It marked the end of absolute laissez-faire, re-introducing mandatory vehicle inspections, maximum route fares, and supply licensing as a "re-regulation" mechanism.<ref name=":1">{{Cite journal |last=Ka'bange |first=Abdi |last2=Mfinanga |first2=David |last3=Hema |first3=Edwin |date=2014-12 |title=Paradoxes of establishing mass rapid transit systems in african cities – A case of Dar es Salaam Rapid Transit (DART) system, Tanzania |url=https://doi.org/10.1016/j.retrec.2014.09.040 |journal=Research in Transportation Economics |volume=48 |pages=176–183 |doi=10.1016/j.retrec.2014.09.040 |issn=0739-8859}}</ref> |- | valign="center" |IPT Micro-modes (Bodaboda & Bajaj) | valign="center" |Informal Micro-Mobility Sector | valign="center" |Informal motorcycle (bodaboda) and tricycle (bajaj) operators. They serve as critical life support for low-income non-CBD travel and provide essential door-to-door flexibility under poor road conditions.<ref>{{Cite journal |last=Joseph |first=Lucy |last2=Neven |first2=An |last3=Martens |first3=Karel |last4=Kweka |first4=Opportuna |last5=Wets |first5=Geert |last6=Janssens |first6=Davy |date=2020-09-10 |title=Activity Participation and Perceptions on Informal Public Transport and Bus Rapid Transit in Dar es Salaam |url=https://doi.org/10.1177/0361198120948058 |journal=Transportation Research Record: Journal of the Transportation Research Board |volume=2674 |issue=11 |pages=573–583 |doi=10.1177/0361198120948058 |issn=0361-1981}}</ref> |- | valign="center" |DART Agency | valign="center" |Public Asset & Planning Authority | valign="center" |A government asset-owning planning authority under the Prime Minister's Office (PO-RALG). It is responsible for BRT infrastructure delivery and concession oversight. <ref name=":1" /> |- | valign="center" |UDART | valign="center" |PPP Concessionaire (SPV) | valign="center" |The special purpose vehicle (SPV) operating the BRT Phase 1 concession. It was formed as a PPP model, integrating the private Daladala Operators Association (DARCOBOA) to engage informal stakeholders.<ref name=":2">{{Cite book |last=Hoyos Guerrero |first=Alejandro |url=https://doi.org/10.1596/978-1-4648-1682-6 |title=Public-Private Partnerships in Urban Bus Systems: An Analytical Framework for Project Identification and Preparation |last2=Lopez Dodero |first2=Abel |date=2021-06-28 |publisher=The World Bank |isbn=978-1-4648-1682-6}}</ref> |- | valign="center" |International Financial Institutions (World Bank & AfDB) | valign="center" |Multilateral Development Bank (MDB) | valign="center" |The primary funding sources and facilitators of global "policy mobility," transferring Latin American BRT models to sub-Saharan Africa.<ref name=":3">{{Cite journal |last=Wood |first=Astrid |date=2015-02-04 |title=Competing for Knowledge: Leaders and Laggards of Bus Rapid Transit in South Africa |url=https://doi.org/10.1007/s12132-014-9248-y |journal=Urban Forum |volume=26 |issue=2 |pages=203–221 |doi=10.1007/s12132-014-9248-y |issn=1015-3802}}</ref> |} == Timeline of Events == {| class="wikitable mw-collapsible" |+Timeline of the "Taxi wars" in South Africa !Year !Event description |- |1930 |The "Motor Carrier Transportation Act of 1930" is signed into law, restricting the number of taxi licenses, who could be granted one and how many where granted per year<ref>{{Cite web |title=National Archives |url=https://www.nationalarchives.gov.za/node/6542841 |access-date=05/23/2026}}</ref><ref name=":9">{{Cite web |title=A VIOLENT LEGACY |url=https://issafrica.org/01-dec-2004-sacq-no-10/a-violent-legacy |access-date=2026-05-23 |website=ISS Africa |language=en}}</ref> As a side effect of this law, upwards of 90 percent of applications by black taxi owners were being rejected, forcing them to operate illegally - especially in areas where the demand for transportation far outstripped supply. this marks the beginning of the informal and illegal taxi transportation industry |- |1977 |The federal government signs the "Road Transportation Act of 1977" into law<ref>{{Cite web |title=Road Transportation Act 74 of 1977 {{!}} South African Government |url=https://www.gov.za/documents/road-transportation-act-16-apr-2015-0812 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.gov.za}}</ref> - failing to define minibus as a category, allowing taxi operators to operate them |- |1983 |A boycott of the local busses in Mdantsane to protest an unannounced 5 cent fare increase and the actions of the apartheid government begins in July. In August, at a Egerton railway station, the local police started a massive scale shootout, killing 11 people and injuring many more<ref>{{Cite web |date=2013-09-26 |title=Paying tribute to 50 years of Mdantsane {{!}} SAnews |url=https://www.sanews.gov.za/south-africa/paying-tribute-50-years-mdantsane |access-date=2026-05-23 |website=www.sanews.gov.za |language=en}}</ref> - This ordeal pushes more users towards the informal taxi industry Also around this period, many other bus boycotts were performed - as a part of the growing distain for the government<ref>DISA, 2008. Bus Fare Increases and Boycotts in South Africa, 1980, DISA: Digital Innovation South Africa. South Africa. Retrieved from <nowiki>https://coilink.org/20.500.12592/35kgvr2</nowiki> on 23 May 2026. COI: 20.500.12592/35kgvr2.</ref> |- |1986-1987 |The number of informal taxi permits nation wide raises from 7,093 to 34,378<ref name=":5">{{Cite journal |date=2013-03-01 |title=The lurch towards formalisation: Lessons from the implementation of BRT in Johannesburg, South Africa |url=https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0739885912000753 |journal=Research in Transportation Economics |language=en-US |volume=39 |issue=1 |pages=114–120 |doi=10.1016/j.retrec.2012.06.003 |issn=0739-8859}}</ref> as the government becomes more lax on controlling the supply and enforcement of taxi licenses<ref name=":9" /> |- |1988 |The federal government signs the "Transport Deregulation Act of 1988" into law<ref>{{Cite web |title=Transport Deregulation Act 80 of 1988 {{!}} South African Government |url=https://www.gov.za/documents/transport-deregulation-act-18-may-2015-1306#:~:text=Transport%20Deregulation%20Act%2080%20of%201988%20%7C%20South%20African%20Government |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.gov.za}}</ref> |- |1993 |Taxi wars death toll was 330 deaths in 1993<ref name=":5" /> one of the deadliest years on record |- | rowspan="2" |1994 |Apartheid in South Africa ends - taxi operators are no longer operating 'illegally' under the old segregation rules, however the spatial formation of South African cities presents challenges to all public transit forms to this day |- |In Cape Town, the taxi association Codeta splits and CATA is formed, starting an intense and violent rivalry<ref>{{Cite news |last=Wines |first=Michael |date=2006-09-17 |title=Cartels Battle for Supremacy in South Africa’s Taxi Wars |language=en-US |work=The New York Times |url=https://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/17/world/africa/cartels-battle-for-supremacy-in-south-africas-taxi-wars.html |access-date=2026-05-22 |issn=0362-4331}}</ref> |- |1996 |The government produces a whitepaper on the state of the transportation industry in South Africa<ref>{{Cite web |title=National Transport Policy White Paper {{!}} South African Government |url=https://www.gov.za/documents/white-papers/national-transport-policy-white-paper-20-aug-1996 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.gov.za}}</ref> one of the key recommendation is the taxi recapitalization plan (TRP) which aimed to help decommission the older and less safe vehicles that were used at the time. (A initial timeline was set for all older models to be replaced by 2005) |- | rowspan="2" |2001 |The South African National Taxi Council (SANTACO) is formed - claiming to represent the industry on a national level |- |Several months later, the National Taxi Association is formed - also claiming to represent the industry on the national level |- |2003 |Informal transit collectively reaches a 60 percent market share<ref name=":5" /> |- |2004 |A revised version of the TRP is introduced - and actually deployed, providing more money for replacing older busses - However, this does not do anything to curb the overtrading of routes, forcing drivers to operate newer, larger and more costly vehicles on the same routes with the same low profit margins<ref>{{Cite journal |last=McKay |first=Tracey |last2=Simpson |first2=Zach |last3=Patel |first3=Naeem |date=2017-03-01 |title=Spatial politics and infrastructure development: Analysis of historical transportation data in Gauteng - South Africa (1975–2003) |url=https://www.sciendo.com/article/10.1515/mgrsd-2017-0003 |journal=Miscellanea Geographica |language=en |volume=21 |issue=1 |pages=35–43 |doi=10.1515/mgrsd-2017-0003 |issn=2084-6118}}</ref> |- |2007 |South Africa's first Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) line is planned to open in Johannesburg, where the government and local taxi associations came to a tentative agreement to replace the informal service along the corridor, allowing the affected associations and drivers to convert to the BRT operator<ref name=":5" /><ref name=":6">{{Cite journal |last=Bähre |first=Erik |date=2014-11 |title=A TRICKLE-UP ECONOMY: MUTUALITY, FREEDOM AND VIOLENCE IN CAPE TOWN'S TAXI ASSOCIATIONS |url=https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/africa/article/abs/trickleup-economy-mutuality-freedom-and-violence-in-cape-towns-taxi-associations/E6FF741B122E54F9F84AF4119EF89ECD |journal=Africa |language=en |volume=84 |issue=4 |pages=576–594 |doi=10.1017/S000197201400045X |issn=0001-9720}}</ref> |- | rowspan="2" |2009 |three days after opening [Rea Vaya], violence erupted from disgruntled taxi drivers fearing loss of income<ref name=":5" /> |- |The chairman of SANTACO was gunned down, the organization was accused of taking bribes from the government by rival associations<ref name=":6" /> |- |2010 |A new contract was signed [Rea Vaya], where 313 taxi operators became operators for the BRT company<ref name=":5" /> |- |2012 |SANTACO president Kabulani Mthembu steps down after an audit revealed he had stolen nearly one million rand from the association<ref name=":6" /> |- |2013 |Uber officially enters the South African Market<ref>{{Cite web |date=February 29, 2016 |title=Uber in SA – The Road So Far |url=https://www.uber.com/za/en/newsroom/uber-changing-the-way-sa-moves-one-ride-at-a-time/ |website=Uber}}</ref> |- |2017 |An Uber driver dies after their car is set alight<ref name=":7">Rampedi M. War for the streets: Maponya mall becomes latest frontline in Taxi–E-hailing clash. Spotcovery [BLOG]. 2025. <nowiki>https://www.proquest.com/blogs-podcasts-websites/war-streets-maponya-mall-becomes-latest-frontline/docview/3240276444/se-2</nowiki>.</ref> taxi associations claim that the driver was picking up passengers on their territory |- |2024 |Piotrans - the private firm which bid and won the contract to operate the Rey Vaya BRT - goes bankrupt. The company had an alleged history of gross mismanagement dating back to around 2016<ref>{{Cite web |title=Gale - Institution Finder |url=https://galeapps.gale.com/apps/auth?userGroupName=&sid=summon&origURL=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.gale.com%2Fps%2Fi.do%3Fid%3DGALE%257CA779855589%26v%3D2.1%26it%3Dr%26sid%3Dsummon%26asid%3D0bd92d4c.%26u%3D%26p%3DSTND&prodId=STND |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=galeapps.gale.com}}</ref> A report finds that taxi operators owned a significant share in the company, which could have been used to undermine the operations from the inside |- |2025 |two e-hailing taxi drivers were attacked, one shot and the others car torched<ref name=":7" /> showcasing escalating violence towards metered taxis and growing resentment in the governments ability to control licenses |} {| class="wikitable mw-collapsible" |+Nairobi, Kenya !Year !Event description |- |Early 1960s |First Matatu’s were developed by entrepreneurial Africans who constructed the makeshift vehicles using old motor parts left behind by the British<ref>{{Cite web |last=Bamehriz"} |first={"name"=>"Walid |last2=Berger"} |first2={"name"=>"Jessica |last3=Fazili"} |first3={"name"=>"Osman |last4=Valentine "} |first4={"name"=>"Taylor |title=Flows of Urban Transport in Nairobi, Kenya: What role do matatus play in Nairobi's future? |url=https://www.learngala.com/cases/eas537kenyamatatus |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Gala |language=en}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |last=By |title=Blind to the matatus |url=https://africasacountry.com/2019/06/blind-to-the-matatu |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=africasacountry.com |language=en-US}}</ref>. They gained traction after Kenya gained independence from the United Kingdom in 1963. |- |1973 |Matatus are explicitly deemed legal by President Jomo Kenyatta<ref>{{Cite book |url=http://archive.org/details/oapen-20.500.12657-63441 |title=Matatu - A History of Popular Transportation in Nairobi |date=2017 |language=English}}</ref>. |- |1984 |The start of the initial basic regulatory framework surrounding matatus with President Moi passing a law requiring matatus to be inspected and licensed<ref name=":8">{{Cite book |url=http://archive.org/details/oapen-20.500.12657-63441 |title=Matatu - A History of Popular Transportation in Nairobi |date=2017 |language=English}}</ref>. |- |1980s-1990s |Matatu operators began to paint the exterior of their vehicles with flashy colours and unique artwork, and play hip-hop music at loud volumes as a tactic to lure passengers. This tactic was attributable to the prevalent widespread hip-hop music and culture by African-Americans during this period<ref name=":8" />. |- |1990s-2000s |Informal groups, such as Mungiki, emerged managing routes and requiring matatu drivers to pay fees. Resulted in violent competition over control of routes and a barrier for new owners to enter the business/market. Emergence of new minivans being used by wealthier owners from the brands Nissan, Toyota, and Isuzu. A new generation of educated young adult drivers that were mostly men, entered the industry and began to shift the social and political landscape<ref name=":8" />. |- |2004 |Transport Minister John Michuki issues a set of key traffic safety regulations, enforcing all matatus to have speed governors to cap the maximum speed to 80 km/h, seatbelts for all passengers, open driver identification, and yellow lines on the body of vehicles identifying licensed passenger service vehicles. Often referred to as the “Michuki Rules” <ref name=":8" /><ref>{{Cite web |date=2018-11-12 |title=The rise, success, death and resurrection of Michuki rules |url=https://citizen.digital/article/the-rise-success-death-and-resurrection-of-michuki-rules-218721 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Citizen Digital |language=en-KE}}</ref>. |- |December 2010 |The Government of Kenya bans 14 seater vehicles to encourage matatu operators to invest in higher capacity vehicles<ref>{{Cite web |last=Marilyn |first=Ommeh |title=The Politics Behind the Phasing Out of the 14-seater Matatu in Kenya |url=https://erepository.uonbi.ac.ke/server/api/core/bitstreams/ea72c292-33a5-47d2-b156-8df39e356c6a/content}}</ref>. Ministry of Transport issues the two following directives: * A ban on 14 seater vehicles to encourage matatu operators to invest in higher capacity vehicles. * All individual matatu must be affiliated with a SACCO. |- |2012 |The National Transport and Safety Authority Act of 2012 is signed and the National Transport Safety Authority is formed. |- |2014 |The Public Service Vehicle (PSV) Regulations 2014 is signed, outlining licensing requirements, vehicle standards, and inspection procedures for public transport vehicles<ref>{{Cite web |date=2025-03-27 |title=Navigating Kenya’s PSV Maze: Challenges, Compliance, and the Road to Reform Part 2 |url=https://dkma.co.ke/blog/navigating-kenyas-psv-maze-challenges-compliance-and-the-road-to-reform-part-2 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Dennis Kimani Mutonga, Advocate |language=en}}</ref>. |- |2015 |Laws prohibiting flashy paint-jobs and eye-searing colors were removed in 2015. Changes in the archetypal form of the matatu, with larger bus-sized vehicles starting to also be used as matatus. |- |Spring of 2019 |The Governor of Nairobi banned all matatus from the city centre, resulting in transport chaos. The ban was lifted in under a day<ref>{{Cite web |last=Radford,L |date=2019-11-19 |title=Rethinking trade unions and worker rights through Nairobi’s matatu industry - Africa at LSE |url=https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/africaatlse/2019/11/19/trade-unions-worker-rights-nairobi-matatu-inequality/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Africa at LSE - LSE’s engagement with Africa}}</ref>. |- |May 2026 |Matatu operators announce a 50% fare increase due to rising fuel costs<ref>{{Cite web |date=2026-05-15 |title=Matatu fares increased by 50% as operators call for countrywide strike from Monday |url=https://citizen.digital/article/matatu-fares-increased-by-50-operators-call-for-countrywide-strike-over-fuel-prices-n382771 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Citizen Digital |language=en-KE}}</ref>. |} {| class="wikitable mw-collapsible" |+Timeline of Transit Transformation in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania ! valign="center" |Year ! valign="center" |Event Description |- | valign="center" |1949 | valign="center" |The British-owned Dar es Salaam Motor Transport (DMT) initiates formal private bus services under low-demand colonial spatial limits.<ref name=":0" /> |- | valign="center" |1974 | valign="center" |The Tanzanian government nationalizes DMT to form UDA, pursuing a socialist, state-controlled transit monopoly.<ref name=":0" /> |- | valign="center" |Late 1970s – 1983 | valign="center" |Macroeconomic crises paralyze UDA. The active fleet drops below 100 buses, forcing citizens to rely on illegal, informal vans—the precursor to Daladalas.<ref name=":0" /> |- | valign="center" |1983 | valign="center" |The Transport Licensing Act Amendment de-criminalizes private paratransit. Daladalas gain legal entry, initiating an era of free-market deregulation.<ref name=":1" /> |- | valign="center" |1980s – 2000s | valign="center" |Total market dominance by Daladalas. Extreme traffic congestion ensues, bringing central corridor travel speeds to a critical crawl.<ref name=":1" /> |- | valign="center" |2004 | valign="center" |The SUMATRA Act is passed and enforced, re-establishing route-licensing and maximum tariff controls over informal minibuses.<ref name=":1" /> |- | valign="center" |2012 | valign="center" |Construction begins on Phase 1 of the DART BRT system, funded by a World Bank loan.<ref name=":1" /> |- | valign="center" |2016 – Present | valign="center" |DART Phase 1 launches under a PPP framework. Main corridors transition to regulated electronic ticketing, while Daladalas and bajajis motor tricycle are pushed to peripheral feeder markets.<ref name=":2" /> |} == Maps of Locations == [[File:Tanzania_transport_map-fr.svg|thumb|204x204px|Tanzania transport map]] == Clear Identification of Policy Issues == ==== Tanzania： ==== 1. Market Efficiency vs. Social Equity: Student Exclusion Under a deregulated system with zero financial subsidies, profit-driven private minibuses systematically reject, evict, and abuse low-fare students during peak hours, causing a severe failure in basic public transit equity.<ref name=":0" /> 2. The "Implementation Gap" within the Bus PPP Framework. Top down BRT design is independent of local regulatory capacity; the implementation of the fleet has been hampered by the absence of strict public oversight and the protracted fare clearinghouse disagreements, which has kept the fleet grounded with modern buses and excessive passenger delays. <ref name=":2" /> 3. Fragmented Multimodal Integration Authority There is no unified transit authority for the city. The BRT, conventional paratransit, ferries and new Standard Gauge Railway (SGR) all operate within their own silos, thus preventing the development of an integrated electronic ticketing system and synergy of the multimodal system.<ref name=":0" /> ==== South Africa ==== 1. Top down approach to formalization Many of the governments top down approaches to formalizing the industry have failed to meet their goals for a multitude of reasons, and have even created more unintended consequences that will need to be rectified before widespread formalization can be complete. For instance, the taxi recapitalization program aimed at modernizing the ageing and often poorly maintained fleet, failed to address the underlying cause of the issue - maintenance was on each owner, and they were already strapped for cash. In addition, the program unintentionally made the taxy associations into very powerful middlemen between banks, the government and the vehicle manufacturers, which increased their influence further<ref name=":6" />. 2. Failure of the governments approach to inclusion in policy making Even though the government of South Africa had set up the NTT and had promoted SANTACO to a quasi governmental organization, they failed to listen to the needs of the taxi associations on multiple occasions, leading to a further erosion in trust that the government was actin in the best interests of the industry as a whole. As an example, a large multimodal transit hub was planned and constructed in Bloemfontein at a cost of 400 million rands. The goal of this facility was to help ease congestion on narrow CBD roads and to help passengers interchange with more modes of public transit more easily. However, the facility was woefully under designed to handle the amount of taxi bus traffic that was to use the facility<ref>{{Cite journal |last=Matebesi |first=Sethulego Z. |date=2019-01-08 |title=Insurgent Citizenship and Sustained Resistance of a Local Taxi Association |url=https://czasopisma.uni.lodz.pl/qualit/article/view/3986 |journal=Qualitative Sociology Review |language=en |volume=14 |issue=4 |pages=168–185 |doi=10.18778/1733-8077.14.4.11 |issn=1733-8077}}</ref>. '''Kenya''' 1. Lack of Enforcement of Regulations and Policies Matatus have historically been documented to be unsafe and involved in a high number of traffic accidents, which were the result of a combination of unregulated vehicles that were unroadworthy along with reckless driving behaviour that was motivated by picking up as many passengers as possible. Several regulatory laws, policies and organisations have been introduced since 1984 to address the safety issues and to regulate the matatu industry, as outlined in the timeline of events. The implementation of these changes were documented to have immediate positive effects, with high compliance rates throughout the country resulting in increased safety. However, it has been consistently observed by the communities in Kenya that the changes are short-lived as compliance rates of the laws all fall dramatically shortly after their introduction<ref>{{Cite web |last=Dennis |first=Okore |date=2025-03-27 |title=The Failure of Self-Regulation in Kenya’s Matatu Sector: A Public Policy Disaster |url=https://okoreesq.medium.com/the-failure-of-self-regulation-in-kenyas-matatu-sector-a-public-policy-disaster-95b101b529c3 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Medium |language=en}}</ref>. This issue is further complicated by a large population of traffic police officers, local politicians, and other government officials who have been documented to be highly involved in corruption, taking bribes and working in cooperation with illegal gangs to extort money from matatu operators. In 2024 the EACC estimated that Kenya loses approximately 608 billion Kenyan Shilling annually<ref>{{Cite web |last=contributors |first=George Githaiga & Julius Bett |title=Katiba Institute |url=https://katibainstitute.org/case-for-global-court-to-fight-graft/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |language=en}}</ref>. 2. Government’s Future Plans of Public Transport and Formal Employment Several government bodies in Kenya have been developing plans for implementing a BRT (Bus Rapid Transit) system since the early 2000s and shifting towards formal employment in the public transport sector in place of the IPT (informal public transport) system currently in place with matatus, with plans of banning matatus in the future<ref>{{Cite web |date=2020-11-20 |title=Better than a ban: Prioritising efficient public transport in the Nairobi CBD |url=https://africa.itdp.org/better-than-a-ban-prioritising-efficient-public-transport-in-the-nairobi-cbd/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Institute for Transportation and Development Policy |language=en-US}}</ref>. Notably, NaMATA have had plans of developing BRT corridors, a commuter rail network, and non-motorised transport infrastructure such as bike lanes<ref>{{Cite web |title=Projects & Programmes – NaMATA |url=https://namata.go.ke/projects-programmes/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |language=en-US}}</ref>. There have been several attempts at matatu bans in Nairobi’s CBD, including in 2009 when the Nairobi City Council attempted to ban all public service vehicles from the CBD which was stopped due to the pressure from transport workers, in 2018 when the serving Governor at the time banned matatus from the CBD which was lifted in less than a day due to public outrage, and in around 2020 when the Nairobi Metropolitan Services intent to ban them by 2022 which did not follow through<ref>{{Cite web |date=2020-11-20 |title=Better than a ban: Prioritising efficient public transport in the Nairobi CBD |url=https://africa.itdp.org/better-than-a-ban-prioritising-efficient-public-transport-in-the-nairobi-cbd/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Institute for Transportation and Development Policy |language=en-US}}</ref>. There are additional political obstacles to implementing such a ban as there are several politicians who are financially invested in matatu fleets, which is a conflict of interest<ref>{{Cite web |last=By |title=Blind to the matatus |url=https://africasacountry.com/2019/06/blind-to-the-matatu |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=africasacountry.com |language=en-US}}</ref>. Currently approximately 85% of people in Africa have been estimated to work in the informal employment industry, and recent pushes towards formal employment have reduced employment in unionised public sectors, resulting in an increase in this number<ref>{{Cite web |last=Radford,L |date=2019-11-19 |title=Rethinking trade unions and worker rights through Nairobi’s matatu industry - Africa at LSE |url=https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/africaatlse/2019/11/19/trade-unions-worker-rights-nairobi-matatu-inequality/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Africa at LSE - LSE’s engagement with Africa}}</ref>. The government's plan to ban matatus and shift to formal employment in Kenya raises concerns over the careers of the current large population of the informally employed. 3. Graffiti Policy Dispute In May 2025, the NTSA issued a directive ordering all matatus to remove any graffiti, artistic branding, and tinted windows, citing safety grounds of driver visibility and difficulties in identifying vehicles involved in accidents. This directive was upheld in the High Court when it was challenged in April 2026, threatening the Nganya culture of the matatus, which risks eliminating the livelihoods of graffiti artists, DJs, designers, and digital content creators who rely on this culture<ref>{{Cite web |last=Kubwa |first=Carolyne |date=2026-04-29 |title=High Court upholds NTSA ban on matatu graffiti, tinted windows in major blow to nganya culture |url=https://eastleighvoice.co.ke/news/341087/high-court-upholds-ntsa-ban-on-matatu-graffiti-tinted-windows-in-major-blow-to-nganya-culture |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=The Eastleigh Voice |language=en-KE}}</ref>. President William Ruto has directed the NTSA to halt this move on the 22nd of May 2026<ref>{{Cite web |date=2026-05-22 |title=Ruto Stops NTSA Move to Ban Graffiti on Matatus - Kenyans.co.ke |url=https://www.kenyans.co.ke/news/123659-ruto-stops-ntsa-move-ban-graffiti-matatus |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.kenyans.co.ke |language=en}}</ref>. == Narrative of the case == ==== Tanzania： ==== Public transport in Dar es Salaam was once a failed state owned monopoly under UDA, but following the economic crisis it was deregulated and became an informal Daladala minibus system. While Daladalas grew mobility quickly, the lack of regulation led to unregulated competition, pollution and congestion.<ref name=":0" /><ref name=":1" /> The government introduced the DART BRT in 2016 to address these issues and introduced the former Daladala operators into the new system, however the informal system is still used by many in peripheral areas.<ref name=":2" /><ref name=":3" /> ==== South Africa: ==== Public transport in South Africa continues to be dominated by the informal and often politically powerful taxi associations. Over the last few decades many attempts to re-regulate the industry or formalize the corporations has met resistance, and has slowed the progress of expansion of even traditional bus services into some areas. Taxi drivers fear for their income, and the mafia like entities that are the taxi associations want to keep control to maintain their economic and political power. The government has a history of going with a far too heavy handed top down approach, instead of working with the taxi associations in a more clear and open way, to provide both job security and better transport to its citizens. '''Kenya:''' <u>Overview</u> Kenya’s free-market bus system is run by privately owned minibuses or shared taxis called matatus, which are known for their cultural heritage of vibrant graffiti artwork, loud hip-hop music. Since their emergence in the 1960s, matatus have been a favoured choice of public transit in Kenya with 60-70% of commuters relying on matatus as part of their daily commute. Matatus have become the primary transport mode for commuters in Kenya due to their flexible, on-demand routes, in addition to the lack of people who can afford private cars, poor public road conditions which prevent cycling, and lack of fast and reliable public transport infrastructure like commuter trains, trams, and BRT<ref>{{Cite book |url=http://archive.org/details/oapen-20.500.12657-63441 |title=Matatu - A History of Popular Transportation in Nairobi |date=2017 |language=English}}</ref>. The public perception of matatu is based on their historical affiliation with criminal activity, violent gangs, and reckless driving in unsafe vehicles. Several gangs and similar criminal groups have violently fought for the control of matatu routes since the 1990s, leading matatus to be perceived as unsafe<ref>{{Cite web |last=Radford,L |date=2019-11-19 |title=Rethinking trade unions and worker rights through Nairobi’s matatu industry - Africa at LSE |url=https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/africaatlse/2019/11/19/trade-unions-worker-rights-nairobi-matatu-inequality/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Africa at LSE - LSE’s engagement with Africa}}</ref>. There have also been frequent reports of mistreatment of passengers which include abuse, theft, hijacking, sexual harassment, and sexual assault<ref>{{Cite web |date=2026-05-22 |title=Matatu workers’ story: speaking out against discrimination {{!}} ITF Global |url=https://www.itfglobal.org/en/stories/matatu-workers-story-speaking-out-against-discrimination |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.itfglobal.org |language=en}}</ref>. Matatus account for approximately 43.6% of road traffic accidents<ref>{{Cite journal |last=Mirzoev |first=Tolib |date=2014-01-01 |title=Understanding road safety in Kenya: views of matatu drivers |url=https://www.academia.edu/44160753/Understanding_road_safety_in_Kenya_views_of_matatu_drivers |journal=International Health |doi=10.1093/INTHEALTH/IHU034}}</ref>.These issues are further aggravated by prevalent corruption in police officers who take bribes from matatu operators with threats of fines and towing of their vehicle. <u>The Future of Matatus</u> The current matatu population almost entirely consists of diesel vehicles, a large number of which are poorly maintained and unroadworthy<ref>{{Cite web |date=2026-04-19 |title=Explained: Everything NTSA Will Flag During Mandatory Private Car Inspections - Kenyans.co.ke |url=https://www.kenyans.co.ke/news/122714-explained-everything-ntsa-will-flag-during-mandatory-private-car-inspections |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.kenyans.co.ke |language=en}}</ref>, and are frequently idling, creating accessory air and noise pollution. To address these issues, the government of Kenya has launched the 2026 National Electric Mobility Policy to transition towards newer sustainable EVs<ref>{{Cite web |title=NATIONAL ELECTRIC MOBILITY POLICY TO PROMOTE DEVELOPMENT AND ENHANCE ADOPTION OF ELECTRIC MOBILITY IN KENYA |url=https://www.transport.go.ke/sites/default/files/Emobility%20Policy%20Final.pdf}}</ref>. Selected SACCOs have started using electric buses as matatus since 2022 by renting them from the company BasiGo<ref>{{Cite web |title=Super Metro gets first electric bus |url=https://www.the-star.co.ke/news/realtime/2023-02-15-supermetro-bus-service-gets-first-electric-bus/}}</ref>. The Kenyan Government has consistently planned to ban matatus in favour of BRT and other transit methods, with all current attempts failing due to public outrage. Future plans of BRT are still in place as of 2026, by NaMATA. == Discussion Questions == # What approach would you take to regulate or formalize and industry like this? # Would a single organization be able to effectively regulate this type of transport across one city, let alone an entire country? # Why did the project like DART struggle to fit local conditions, and how did weak land-use planning reduce its effectiveness? == Complete References == mw21a4eo92vyzsn4p5agbxnlvcdvhdg 0 483110 4637023 4637020 2026-05-22T12:09:56Z ~2026-30584-14 3591855 In cite references 4637023 wikitext text/x-wiki == Summary == In early March 2026, Mitchell's Causeway at Victoria Pass suffered serious structural damage, abruptly closing a critical highway link between Sydney and the Central West. Known locally as the Convict Bridge, the causeway carries the Great Western Highway between Little Hartley and Mount Victoria, where around 12,000 vehicles normally passed each day <ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-05-05 |title=Great Western Highway fix in sight almost 60 days after road shut |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-05/great-western-highway-solution/106641888 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. Once the road closed, that traffic had to move through longer and less suitable mountain detours. The problem was not just that an old bridge cracked. More uncomfortable is the fact that this old bridge was still doing the job of a modern strategic road. Mitchell's Causeway is historically valuable because it remains a rare example of colonial road engineering. Heritage NSW records that the Victoria Pass Causeway was built between 1829 and 1832 and has retained much of its original form and fabric<ref>{{Cite web |title=Victoria Pass {{!}} Heritage NSW |url=https://apps.environment.nsw.gov.au/dpcheritageapp/ViewHeritageItemDetails.aspx?ID=4301023 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=apps.environment.nsw.gov.au}}</ref>. That heritage value matters, but it also makes the present-day transport problem harder. A normal road asset can be rebuilt with fewer constraints; a convict-built causeway on the State Heritage Register cannot be treated so casually. Safety, heritage and traffic function all sit on the same narrow piece of road. By April, geotechnical work had confirmed that the issue was deeper than surface pavement damage. Minister Jenny Aitchison said the fill underneath the road had deteriorated and that there were "voids and gaps" within the causeway structure<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-04-10 |title=Minister says there is no 'proper timetable' for reopening NSW highway |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-10/great-western-highway-geotechnical-study-shows-gaps-under-road/106549768 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. Earlier warning signs also matter here. ABC reported that local business groups had raised concerns about the safety and durability of the Convict Bridge before the closure, while broader corridor planning had already identified reliability problems at Victoria Pass<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-10 |title=Government warned now-closed 'horse and cart' Convict Bridge unfit for modern traffic |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-10/great-western-highway-convict-bridge-closed/106432242 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. In other words, the shutdown did not come from nowhere. Official advice suggested that the Darling Causeway and Bells Line of Road detour could add up to 25 minutes to a Blue Mountains crossing<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-13 |title=“We will not risk lives”: Extra rail and transport services to be rolled out as Great Western Highway closure to remain in place for at least three months {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. That figure is tidy, but real life was not. For a person making one flexible trip, 25 minutes may be manageable. For students, workers, freight drivers, medical trips and small businesses relying on passing traffic, the cost was repeated every day. The detour became part of people's routines, not just a line in a traffic update. The state moved quickly once the road was closed. Extra rail, coach and school bus services followed, agencies formed an incident management team, and the government committed A$50 million to improving detour routes such as Darling Causeway, Chifley Road and Lithgow Main Street<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-25 |title=Minns Government commits $50 million to strengthen detour routes during Great Western Highway closure {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/minns-government-commits-50-million-to-strengthen-detour-routes-during-great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Later, Transport for NSW received ten engineering submissions and shortlisted consortia led by Seymour Whyte and Gamuda to develop repair options<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-05-13 |title=Two engineering solutions shortlisted to restore Great Western Highway at Victoria Pass {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/victoria-pass-engineering-solutions-shortlisted |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Those responses were necessary. Yet their timing is hard to ignore: the detour network became urgent only after the main route had already failed. In short, this is less a heritage repair problem than a failure of transport resilience: a known vulnerable link lacked a robust fallback before it failed. The road can eventually reopen, but reopening alone will not explain why that fallback was missing. == Annotated list of factors == {| class="wikitable" ! Actor / Stakeholder group ! Role in the case ! Main interests, concerns and policy relevance |- | '''Transport for NSW, engineers and heritage specialists''' | Led the operational response, including road closure, monitoring, detours and technical assessment. | Transport for NSW had to prioritise public safety once movement was detected at Mitchell’s Causeway. The closure itself was difficult to dispute, but the harder issue sits before the closure: whether the agency had clear enough trigger points for earlier intervention, especially after local concerns about the bridge’s safety had already been raised(Heritage NSW, n.d.). |- | '''Heritage NSW and conservation interests''' | Defined the heritage value of Victoria Pass Causeway and shaped the limits of repair. | Heritage NSW gives the site its historical weight. The causeway matters because much of its colonial engineering remains legible, but that is exactly what complicates repair. Current policy protects the heritage asset, yet it does not clearly answer how that asset should function when it is still part of a freight and commuter route (Heritage NSW, n.d.). |- | '''NSW Government, Minister Jenny Aitchison and the repair decision''' | Managed the political response, public messaging, funding and repair procurement. | The government’s safety-first message was reasonable, but it also narrowed the public conversation. Once the issue was framed mainly as “do not risk lives,” less attention was given to why a known fragile cross-mountain link had no pre-prepared detour capacity strong enough to absorb the failure. The repair decision also has to balance speed, durability, cost, heritage approval and political pressure<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-05-13 |title=Two engineering solutions shortlisted to restore Great Western Highway at Victoria Pass {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/victoria-pass-engineering-solutions-shortlisted |language=en-AU}}</ref>. |- | '''Those who carried the cost: communities, businesses, councils and freight''' | Experienced the practical impacts of the closure on daily travel, local trade and freight movement. | The closure landed unevenly. Local councils had to manage congestion and road wear even though the highway was a state responsibility<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-25 |title=Minns Government commits $50 million to strengthen detour routes during Great Western Highway closure {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/minns-government-commits-50-million-to-strengthen-detour-routes-during-great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Families faced longer school and work trips. Businesses lost customers who used to arrive because the highway brought them past the front door. Freight users were pushed onto less suitable routes through Lithgow, Chifley Road, Darling Causeway and Bells Line of Road<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-05-05 |title=Great Western Highway fix in sight almost 60 days after road shut |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-05/great-western-highway-solution/106641888 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | '''NSW Reconstruction Authority and the Community Coordination Taskforce''' | Coordinated communication between government, councils, industry and affected communities. | The taskforce gave councils, industry and community groups a clearer contact point during the disruption. Its role was narrower than Transport for NSW’s technical role, but it showed how unusual the closure was: the event did not fit neatly into normal disaster arrangements, while affected towns experienced it as a major regional disruption<ref>{{Cite journal |last=Authority |first=NSW Reconstruction |date=2026-03-19 |title=New Taskforce to coordinate support for Great Western Highway communities {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/new-taskforce-to-coordinate-support-for-great-western-highway-communities-0 |language=en-AU}}</ref>. |} == Timeline of events == {| class="wikitable" |+ Timeline of Victoria Pass (Convict Bridge) and 2026 Great Western Highway Events ! Period / Date !! Event !! Description |- | 1829–1833 || Planning, construction and early completion of Victoria Pass (Convict Bridge) || Surveyor-General Thomas Mitchell planned the western route over the Blue Mountains (1829–1830). Construction of Victoria Pass and associated sandstone structures, including the Convict Bridge, began in 1830 using convict labour. The route opened in 1832, providing a key connection between Sydney and the Central West. Final completion works and early repairs continued through 1832–1833 due to steep terrain, engineering constraints, and early structural challenges (NSW Government, n.d.)<ref>{{Cite web |title=Victoria Pass {{!}} Heritage NSW |url=https://apps.environment.nsw.gov.au/dpcheritageapp/ViewHeritageItemDetails.aspx?id=4301023 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=apps.environment.nsw.gov.au}}</ref>. |- | 1999 || Heritage listing || The Victoria Pass precinct, including the Convict Bridge area, was listed on the New South Wales State Heritage Register (NSW Government, n.d.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Heritage |url=https://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/topics/heritage |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Environment and Heritage |language=en}}</ref>). |- | Early March 2026 || Structural concerns identified || Cracking and instability were identified at the Victoria Pass section of the Great Western Highway (ABC, 2026)<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-19 |title=Highway closure not a 'natural' disaster, NSW government says |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-19/great-western-highway-taskforce/106471918 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | 19 March 2026 || Taskforce established || NSW Government established a multi-agency taskforce to manage response and disruption impacts (ABC, 2026)<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-19 |title=Highway closure not a 'natural' disaster, NSW government says |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-19/great-western-highway-taskforce/106471918 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | 25 March 2026 || Detour funding announced || A $50 million package was announced to upgrade key detour routes including Bells Line of Road, Chifley Road, and Darling Causeway (ABC, 2026<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-25 |title=$50m for Great Western Highway detour routes, as road remains 'unstable' |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-25/funding-to-maintain-detour-roads-in-great-western-highway/106495330 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>). |- | Late March 2026 || Highway closure || The affected section of the highway was closed due to escalating safety risks from structural instability. |- | 10 April 2026 || Geotechnical investigations || Investigations confirmed subsurface voids and significant ground instability beneath the roadway (ABC, 2026)<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-04-10 |title=Minister says there is no 'proper timetable' for reopening NSW highway |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-10/great-western-highway-geotechnical-study-shows-gaps-under-road/106549768 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | April 2026 || Monitoring phase || Ongoing monitoring and assessment of structural conditions continued while long-term solutions were evaluated. |- | 5 May 2026 || Engineering solutions shortlisted || Engineering options were shortlisted for detailed evaluation, progressing toward the design phase (ABC, 2026<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-05-05 |title=Great Western Highway fix in sight almost 60 days after road shut |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-05/great-western-highway-solution/106641888 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>). |} == Maps of locations == The Great Western Highway is a major transport corridor connecting Sydney to western New South Wales through the Blue Mountains. The failure occurred at Victoria Pass, a steep and historically significant section of the route. Key locations include Victoria Pass (failure point), Mitchell’s Causeway / Convict Bridge area (structural weakness zone), Bells Line of Road (northern detour), Chifley Road (southern detour), and Lithgow approaches (traffic redistribution routes) (ABC, 2026).<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-25 |title=$50m for Great Western Highway detour routes, as road remains 'unstable' |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-25/funding-to-maintain-detour-roads-in-great-western-highway/106495330 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref> Traffic has been diverted across these alternative routes, increasing congestion and travel times across the Blue Mountains corridor due to closure of the primary highway link. [[File:Convict Bridge Location - 22 May 2026.jpg|thumb|This map shows the location of the Convict Bridge and the associated traffic disruption.]] == Identification of policy issues == === Heritage Listing as Structural Lock-In === The NSW Heritage Act 1977 establishes the State Heritage Register and defines conditions under which listed assets may be altered. The heritage listing for Victoria Pass and Berghofers Pass includes exemptions only for specific works, including emergency stabilisation activities where a structure has been damaged and poses a safety risk. Everything below that threshold falls outside permissible intervention under normal conditions, including the urgently required structural reinforcement of a masonry retained embankment that has been overly exposed to loads beyond its structural capacity. The fundamental incompatibility between a rubble-filled sandstone embankment and 12,000 vehicles per day (including semi-trailer trucks) could not be easily addressed by Transport for NSW without interventions the listing prohibited. Heritage listing without a parallel structural compatibility assessment has converted the bridge from a living piece of infrastructure into a frozen liability. The asset must be preserved as-is while continuing to carry loads it cannot tolerate, with intervention only permitted after the point of failure. The NSW Government’s own geotechnical investigations confirmed that the 200-year-old fill had deteriorated significantly, creating voids and gaps throughout the substructure. It was even acknowledged that without enhanced monitoring installed in late 2025, the structure could have collapsed before defects were detected (NSW Government, 2026)<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-04-10 |title=Geotechnical data to inform long-term solution for Great Western Highway {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/geotechnical-data-to-inform-long-term-solution-for-great-western-highway |language=en-AU}}</ref>. That monitoring was installed three months before failure on a structure that had been carrying highway-grade traffic for over a century. It indicates that the asset management program was operating reactively rather than condition-based mode at this site. === The Substructure Monitoring Deficit === The deterioration of the site was not being tracked through substructure inspection. Enhanced monitoring was installed in December 2025, presenting as proactive stewardship in TfNSW’s public communications, but the fact that real-time structural monitoring was not in place on a known-risk heritage asset carrying primary freight traffic until three months before catastrophic failure indicates an inspection and asset management programme that had not matched its cadence to the risk profile of the structure. === The Announcement-Commitment Gap === The bypass tunnel cancellation is the most politically visible element of the state-level failure, but it sits within a longer pattern of interrupted commitment on the Great Western Highway that substantially predates the Minns government. A prime example of “strategic misrepresentation” in megaproject approval, where proponents deliberately underestimate costs and overestimate benefits to secure political commitment, knowing the commitment will not survive contact with delivery (Flyvberj, 2013)<ref name=":0">{{Cite web |last=Flyvbjerg |first=Bent |date=2013-03-20 |title=Survival of the Unfittest: Why the Worst Infrastructure Gets Built, And What We Can Do about It |url=https://arxiv.org/abs/1303.6571v1 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=arXiv.org |language=en |doi=10.48550/arXiv.1303.6571}}</ref>. Australian governments are prone to announcing projects they have no realistic intention of building within their term, generating regional goodwill at low political cost, while deferring the fiscal and delivery burden to successors who then cancel and repeat the cycle. Flyvbjerg identifies systematic problems in the development process, whereby proponents intentionally misrepresent information and deliberately disregard risks, instigating projects that result in fewer benefits and higher costs than promised (Flyvberj, 2013) <ref name=":0" />. The inverse also applies: announced projects that were always underfunded relative to delivery requirements. This is evident in the proposed twin-tunnel upgrade for the Great Western Highway. In the September 2023 state budget, the Minns government reallocated state funding commitments for the upgrade. In November 2023, the federal government confirmed it would also reallocate its funding commitment, redirecting it to other priorities (TfNSW, 2024) <ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2023-01-30 |title=Blackheath to Little Hartley Upgrade |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/node/19457 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.transport.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref>. The tunnels were formally cancelled in favour of softer commitments. The causeway failed six weeks later. The planning investment was sunk, but the corridor problem it was designed to solve remained. Transport for NSW ultimately paused all work on upgrades to the Great Western Highway between Katoomba and Lithgow, apart from the Medlow Bath and Coxs River Road upgrades, with state and federal funding commitments redirected to other projects (TfNSW, 2026) <ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2023-01-30 |title=Great Western Highway |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/node/19470 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.transport.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref>. === Metro Spending Bias === Sydney Metro alone comprised over a quarter of NSW’s total four-year infrastructure spend in the 2023–24 budget, at $24.9 billion over four years (Infrastructure Partnerships Australia, 2023) <ref>{{Cite web |last=https://www.tophamguerin.com |date=2023-12-18 |title=Australian Infrastructure Budget Monitor 2023-24 |url=https://infrastructure.org.au/policy-research/major-reports/australian-infrastructure-budget-monitor-2023-24/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Infrastructure Partnerships Australia |language=en-US}}</ref>. The bulk of NSW road funding was directed toward the Western Harbour Tunnel and Princes Highway Corridor. The same organisation went on to note that NSW may experience a deficit in the medium to long-term regional pipeline (Infrastructure Partnerships Australia, 2024) <ref>{{Cite web |last=https://www.tophamguerin.com |date=2024-10-24 |title=Australian Infrastructure Budget Monitor 2024-25 |url=https://infrastructure.org.au/policy-research/major-reports/australian-infrastructure-budget-monitor-2024-25/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Infrastructure Partnerships Australia |language=en-US}}</ref>. The Great Western Highway bypass, at a total project cost estimated at $12 billion over an eight-to-ten year build, was cancelled due to being ‘fiscally unachievable’ in the same budget environment that continued to fund cost overruns in the Greater Sydney metropolitan area. The Sydney Metro City and Southwest line alone exceeded its original budget by approximately $5.1 billion, yet an additional $1 billion in interim funding was allocated to the project. Metropolitan projects concentrate benefits in large, media-visible electorates, while regional corridor projects benefit smaller, dispersed populations. Successive budgets treated the Great Western Highway as a maintenance problem rather than a capital investment priority, while overruns in metro-context projects were absorbed without similar scrutiny. This asymmetry was flagged explicitly before the 2023 election, arguing that Labor’s stated intention to redirect Great Western Highway funding to Western Sydney infrastructure would leave the Central West without a safe and productive link to Sydney (Lachlan Shire Council, 2023) <ref>{{Cite web |title=Regional transport and roads could decide State Election |url=https://www.lachlan.nsw.gov.au/News-articles/Regional-transport-and-roads-could-decide-State-Election |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.lachlan.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref>. === Short-Termism and the Electoral Cycle === Major transport infrastructure in Australia runs on a 10–15 year development and delivery horizon. NSW state electoral terms run to four years. No government that announces a major regional infrastructure project opens it. The announcement is the political event; delivery is not. Political short-termism is formally defined in the literature as the systematic prioritisation of short-term net policy benefits over long-term outcomes, hindering policy investments that impose short-term costs on society to address long-term challenges (Ogami, 2024) <ref name=":1">{{Cite journal |last=Ogami |first=Masakazu |date=2024-05-02 |title=The Conditionality of Political Short‐Termism: A Review of Empirical and Experimental Studies |url=https://www.cogitatiopress.com/politicsandgovernance/article/view/7764 |journal=Politics and Governance |language=en |volume=12 |issue=0 |doi=10.17645/pag.7764 |issn=2183-2463}}</ref>. Infrastructure costs are immediate, visible, and attributable; benefits are diffuse, delayed, and frequently credited to successors. The short-term actor announces rather than builds, the incoming government cancels an adversary’s political monument. Contributing traits such as short electoral cycles, voters’ discounting of future policy benefits, and partisanship are particularly acute in the Australian context of short electoral terms and adversarial two-party politics (Ogami, 2024) <ref name=":1" />. There is no institutional obligation on a NSW government to honour prior infrastructure commitments not yet under contract. Independent authorities have no more than advisory power over infrastructure pipelines. Infrastructure NSW and Infrastructure Australia can recommend and prioritise, but not prevent the government from redirecting committed funding upon taking office. === Heritage-Infrastructure Compatibility Framework === The heritage listing at Victoria Pass was the correct cultural heritage decision. However, the systematic framework for assessing and managing compatibility and longevity of heritage-listed infrastructures continues to be absent. The NSW Heritage Act 1977 and its associated guidelines do not require ongoing assessment of whether a listed asset’s structural characteristics remain compatible with the loads placed upon it, or mandate intervention thresholds short of emergency conditions. The NSW State Infrastructure Strategy 2018–2038 recommended introducing an asset management policy with a new assurance model, but its focus was on capital growth and network efficiency, with no meaningful attention on infrastructure compatibility (Affan, 2019) <ref>{{Cite journal |last=Affan |first=Rami |date=10 June, 2019 |title=Getting asset management right: a new framework |url=https://127.0.0.1/getting-asset-management-right-a-new-framework/ |journal=Infrastructure Journal}}</ref>. The gap is not owned by a single agency: Heritage NSW administers the listing conditions; Transport for NSW manages the asset; Treasury funds maintenance allocations. All of which are not required to jointly assess whether a heritage listing, a loading profile, and a maintenance budget are mutually compatible over time. === The Procurement Model and Policy Continuity === Love et. al. argue that the traditional procurement model used by Australian state governments fails to deliver expected benefits for large-scale transport projects, and that a focused policy-making pathway is largely absent. Especially in future-proofing complex infrastructure assets against unanticipated changes in load, use, or structural condition (Love et. al., 2021) <ref>{{Cite journal |date=2021-12-01 |title=A procurement policy-making pathway to future-proof large-scale transport infrastructure assets |url=https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S073988592100041X |journal=Research in Transportation Economics |language=en-US |volume=90 |pages=101069 |doi=10.1016/j.retrec.2021.101069 |issn=0739-8859}}</ref>. The structural consequence is that major transport assets are managed transactionally, without a long-horizon framework for assessing when a structure has moved beyond the envelope of maintainability and requires replacement or bypass. Mitchell’s Causeway is the reductio ad absurdum of this model: a structure well past its design life, carrying loads it was never intended for, preserved by heritage listing from the interventions that would have resolved the incompatibility, and sustained by a maintenance programme that could not address what the listing prevented. Politicisation, inconsistent engagement, and short-termism undermine public trust, and erode reform capability in Australian infrastructure governance. These barriers are embedded in the institutional design of the system, not attributable to the decisions of particular governments (ANU, 2025) <ref>{{Cite web |title=Strengthening Australia's capacity for policy reform {{!}} ANU Institute for Infrastructure in Society |url=https://infrastructure.anu.edu.au/strengthening-australias-capacity-policy-reform |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=infrastructure.anu.edu.au}}</ref>. == Narrative of the case == The Convict Bridge, also known as Mitchell’s Causeway, highlights a classic infrastructure paradox: a historically significant asset continues to perform a modern, high-demand transport function long after its design life has expired. Built in 1832 during the colonial era using convict labour, the bridge is one of Australia’s earliest and most significant transport assets. For almost two centuries, it has played a vital role in connecting communities across the Blue Mountains and supporting movement between Sydney and inland New South Wales. Over time, the bridge became an essential transport link within the regional road network. However, its original design was never intended to accommodate the heavy traffic volumes and vehicle loads associated with contemporary transport systems. As decades passed, increasing pressure placed stress on the sandstone retaining walls and the underlying structure. Although engineers had identified signs of deterioration in earlier years, intervention was limited due to heritage restrictions and funding priorities. As a result, most works focused on surface-level upgrades rather than major structural improvements. Eventually, geotechnical instability emerged, with reports identifying movement in retaining walls and buttresses<ref>{{Cite web |title= |url=https://www.nationaltrust.org.au/conservation-landscape-mitchells-causeway/? |access-date= |website=}}</ref> . Concerns intensified in late 2025 when local stakeholders warned that the bridge could potentially fail under modern loading conditions. Despite these warnings, immediate policy action was limited. Instead, authorities relied primarily on monitoring technologies, reflecting a reactive rather than preventative approach to infrastructure management<ref>{{Cite journal |last= |first= |date= |title=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-10/great-western-highway-convict-bridge-closed/106432242 |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-10/great-western-highway-convict-bridge-closed/106432242 |journal= |language=en-AU}}</ref> . In early March 2026, visible structural movement and cracking appeared along the roadway surface. In response, authorities closed Victoria Pass to protect public safety. The closure immediately disrupted a major transport corridor used by approximately 12,000 people daily and forced motorists and freight operators to take lengthy detours<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-13 |title=“We will not risk lives”: Extra rail and transport services to be rolled out as Great Western Highway closure to remain in place for at least three months {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. The closure also revealed broader systemic issues within regional infrastructure planning. It exposed weaknesses such as insufficient network redundancy, delayed investment in alternative routes, and limited long-term planning for aging infrastructure. Local communities experienced longer travel times, economic impacts, and reduced accessibility, while freight transport became less efficient and more expensive<ref>{{Cite news |last=Buckley |first=Penry |last2=Larkin |first2=Jack |date=2026-03-13 |title=A key Blue Mountains road closure is blowing out travel times – and causing ‘red hot anger’ among locals |language=en-GB |work=The Guardian |url=https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2026/mar/14/blue-mountains-road-convict-bridge-closure-nsw-travel |access-date=2026-05-22 |issn=0261-3077}}</ref> . Importantly, the incident demonstrated how vulnerable regional transport systems in New South Wales can become when they depend heavily on a single piece of infrastructure. Alternative routes, including the Bells Line of Road, were not designed to accommodate the sudden increase in redirected freight and traffic volumes, creating additional congestion and safety concerns<ref>{{Cite web |title=Client Challenge |url=https://www.hawkesburygazette.com/victoria-pass-closure-sends-shockwaves-along-blor-to-richmond-and-beyond/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.hawkesburygazette.com}}</ref>. From a governance perspective, the response further underscores systemic weaknesses. While the NSW Government implemented short-term mitigation measures—such as increased public transport services—these actions addressed symptoms rather than underlying causes. The urgency of post-failure engineering procurement highlights how crisis conditions often accelerate decision-making that had been deferred under normal circumstances<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-13 |title=“We will not risk lives”: Extra rail and transport services to be rolled out as Great Western Highway closure to remain in place for at least three months {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Ultimately, the Convict Bridge case reflects a wider issue in infrastructure planning and asset management: the disconnect between long-term infrastructure needs and short-term political, financial, and policy constraints. Rather than being an unexpected failure, closure can be understood as the result of years of deferred intervention, competing priorities between heritage preservation and operational performance, and limited proactive investment in resilient transport infrastructure. ==Discussion Questions== 1: Is the announcement-commitment gap a failure of political will, or an inevitable product of democratic institutional design? 2: Did the heritage listing of Victoria Pass serve the public interest, or did it subordinate infrastructure safety to cultural preservation in a way that was never transparently debated? 3: Existing Cost-Benefit Analysis process justifies projects based on actual usage and density, which is naturally unfavourable for infrastructure funding in regional and remote areas, how can we close this gap? 4: The causeway’s failure was physically gradual but politically sudden, and it can be traced back to the absence of political accountability. What measures can be put in place in the existing decision making framework that will meaningfully mitigate this? ==Further reading== '''1. Transport for NSW. (2023). ''Crossing the Blue Mountains: The Great Western Road'''''<ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport |title=Crossing the Blue Mountains |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/system/files/media/documents/2023/crossing_the_blue_mountains_the_great_western_road.pdf}}</ref> '''.''' Official NSW Government historical report on the development of transport infrastructure across the Blue Mountains. '''2. Project Gutenberg Australia. ''Three Expeditions into the Interior of Eastern Australia – Thomas Mitchell''''' <ref>{{Cite web |title=Three Expeditions into the Interior V2 |url=https://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks/e00036.html |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=gutenberg.net.au}}</ref>'''.''' Historical primary source documenting early colonial exploration and road development. 3. '''Sydney to Central West Corridors White Paper (Transport for NSW)'''<ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2025-12-03 |title=Sydney to Central West Corridors White Paper |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/node/31741 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.transport.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref> A strategic planning document assessing capacity, safety, and resilience challenges along the Great Western Highway and alternative routes. 4. '''Australia’s Longest Road Tunnel Proposal – Blue Mountains'''<ref>{{Cite web |last=Walker |first=Nicole |date=2022-05-23 |title=Australia's longest road tunnel through Blue Mountains |url=https://concreteinstitute.com.au/australias-longest-road-tunnel-through-blue-mountains/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Concrete Institute of Australia |language=en-AU}}</ref> Discusses proposed large-scale infrastructure solutions to improve safety, reduce travel times, and increase resilience. 5. 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Google Ma 4637024 wikitext text/x-wiki == Summary == In early March 2026, Mitchell's Causeway at Victoria Pass suffered serious structural damage, abruptly closing a critical highway link between Sydney and the Central West. Known locally as the Convict Bridge, the causeway carries the Great Western Highway between Little Hartley and Mount Victoria, where around 12,000 vehicles normally passed each day <ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-05-05 |title=Great Western Highway fix in sight almost 60 days after road shut |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-05/great-western-highway-solution/106641888 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. Once the road closed, that traffic had to move through longer and less suitable mountain detours. The problem was not just that an old bridge cracked. More uncomfortable is the fact that this old bridge was still doing the job of a modern strategic road. Mitchell's Causeway is historically valuable because it remains a rare example of colonial road engineering. Heritage NSW records that the Victoria Pass Causeway was built between 1829 and 1832 and has retained much of its original form and fabric<ref>{{Cite web |title=Victoria Pass {{!}} Heritage NSW |url=https://apps.environment.nsw.gov.au/dpcheritageapp/ViewHeritageItemDetails.aspx?ID=4301023 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=apps.environment.nsw.gov.au}}</ref>. That heritage value matters, but it also makes the present-day transport problem harder. A normal road asset can be rebuilt with fewer constraints; a convict-built causeway on the State Heritage Register cannot be treated so casually. Safety, heritage and traffic function all sit on the same narrow piece of road. By April, geotechnical work had confirmed that the issue was deeper than surface pavement damage. Minister Jenny Aitchison said the fill underneath the road had deteriorated and that there were "voids and gaps" within the causeway structure<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-04-10 |title=Minister says there is no 'proper timetable' for reopening NSW highway |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-10/great-western-highway-geotechnical-study-shows-gaps-under-road/106549768 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. Earlier warning signs also matter here. ABC reported that local business groups had raised concerns about the safety and durability of the Convict Bridge before the closure, while broader corridor planning had already identified reliability problems at Victoria Pass<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-10 |title=Government warned now-closed 'horse and cart' Convict Bridge unfit for modern traffic |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-10/great-western-highway-convict-bridge-closed/106432242 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. In other words, the shutdown did not come from nowhere. Official advice suggested that the Darling Causeway and Bells Line of Road detour could add up to 25 minutes to a Blue Mountains crossing<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-13 |title=“We will not risk lives”: Extra rail and transport services to be rolled out as Great Western Highway closure to remain in place for at least three months {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. That figure is tidy, but real life was not. For a person making one flexible trip, 25 minutes may be manageable. For students, workers, freight drivers, medical trips and small businesses relying on passing traffic, the cost was repeated every day. The detour became part of people's routines, not just a line in a traffic update. The state moved quickly once the road was closed. Extra rail, coach and school bus services followed, agencies formed an incident management team, and the government committed A$50 million to improving detour routes such as Darling Causeway, Chifley Road and Lithgow Main Street<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-25 |title=Minns Government commits $50 million to strengthen detour routes during Great Western Highway closure {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/minns-government-commits-50-million-to-strengthen-detour-routes-during-great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Later, Transport for NSW received ten engineering submissions and shortlisted consortia led by Seymour Whyte and Gamuda to develop repair options<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-05-13 |title=Two engineering solutions shortlisted to restore Great Western Highway at Victoria Pass {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/victoria-pass-engineering-solutions-shortlisted |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Those responses were necessary. Yet their timing is hard to ignore: the detour network became urgent only after the main route had already failed. In short, this is less a heritage repair problem than a failure of transport resilience: a known vulnerable link lacked a robust fallback before it failed. The road can eventually reopen, but reopening alone will not explain why that fallback was missing. == Annotated list of factors == {| class="wikitable" ! Actor / Stakeholder group ! Role in the case ! Main interests, concerns and policy relevance |- | '''Transport for NSW, engineers and heritage specialists''' | Led the operational response, including road closure, monitoring, detours and technical assessment. | Transport for NSW had to prioritise public safety once movement was detected at Mitchell’s Causeway. The closure itself was difficult to dispute, but the harder issue sits before the closure: whether the agency had clear enough trigger points for earlier intervention, especially after local concerns about the bridge’s safety had already been raised(Heritage NSW, n.d.). |- | '''Heritage NSW and conservation interests''' | Defined the heritage value of Victoria Pass Causeway and shaped the limits of repair. | Heritage NSW gives the site its historical weight. The causeway matters because much of its colonial engineering remains legible, but that is exactly what complicates repair. Current policy protects the heritage asset, yet it does not clearly answer how that asset should function when it is still part of a freight and commuter route (Heritage NSW, n.d.). |- | '''NSW Government, Minister Jenny Aitchison and the repair decision''' | Managed the political response, public messaging, funding and repair procurement. | The government’s safety-first message was reasonable, but it also narrowed the public conversation. Once the issue was framed mainly as “do not risk lives,” less attention was given to why a known fragile cross-mountain link had no pre-prepared detour capacity strong enough to absorb the failure. The repair decision also has to balance speed, durability, cost, heritage approval and political pressure<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-05-13 |title=Two engineering solutions shortlisted to restore Great Western Highway at Victoria Pass {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/victoria-pass-engineering-solutions-shortlisted |language=en-AU}}</ref>. |- | '''Those who carried the cost: communities, businesses, councils and freight''' | Experienced the practical impacts of the closure on daily travel, local trade and freight movement. | The closure landed unevenly. Local councils had to manage congestion and road wear even though the highway was a state responsibility<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-25 |title=Minns Government commits $50 million to strengthen detour routes during Great Western Highway closure {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/minns-government-commits-50-million-to-strengthen-detour-routes-during-great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Families faced longer school and work trips. Businesses lost customers who used to arrive because the highway brought them past the front door. Freight users were pushed onto less suitable routes through Lithgow, Chifley Road, Darling Causeway and Bells Line of Road<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-05-05 |title=Great Western Highway fix in sight almost 60 days after road shut |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-05/great-western-highway-solution/106641888 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | '''NSW Reconstruction Authority and the Community Coordination Taskforce''' | Coordinated communication between government, councils, industry and affected communities. | The taskforce gave councils, industry and community groups a clearer contact point during the disruption. Its role was narrower than Transport for NSW’s technical role, but it showed how unusual the closure was: the event did not fit neatly into normal disaster arrangements, while affected towns experienced it as a major regional disruption<ref>{{Cite journal |last=Authority |first=NSW Reconstruction |date=2026-03-19 |title=New Taskforce to coordinate support for Great Western Highway communities {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/new-taskforce-to-coordinate-support-for-great-western-highway-communities-0 |language=en-AU}}</ref>. |} == Timeline of events == {| class="wikitable" |+ Timeline of Victoria Pass (Convict Bridge) and 2026 Great Western Highway Events ! Period / Date !! Event !! Description |- | 1829–1833 || Planning, construction and early completion of Victoria Pass (Convict Bridge) || Surveyor-General Thomas Mitchell planned the western route over the Blue Mountains (1829–1830). Construction of Victoria Pass and associated sandstone structures, including the Convict Bridge, began in 1830 using convict labour. The route opened in 1832, providing a key connection between Sydney and the Central West. Final completion works and early repairs continued through 1832–1833 due to steep terrain, engineering constraints, and early structural challenges (NSW Government, n.d.)<ref>{{Cite web |title=Victoria Pass {{!}} Heritage NSW |url=https://apps.environment.nsw.gov.au/dpcheritageapp/ViewHeritageItemDetails.aspx?id=4301023 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=apps.environment.nsw.gov.au}}</ref>. |- | 1999 || Heritage listing || The Victoria Pass precinct, including the Convict Bridge area, was listed on the New South Wales State Heritage Register (NSW Government, n.d.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Heritage |url=https://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/topics/heritage |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Environment and Heritage |language=en}}</ref>). |- | Early March 2026 || Structural concerns identified || Cracking and instability were identified at the Victoria Pass section of the Great Western Highway (ABC, 2026)<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-19 |title=Highway closure not a 'natural' disaster, NSW government says |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-19/great-western-highway-taskforce/106471918 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | 19 March 2026 || Taskforce established || NSW Government established a multi-agency taskforce to manage response and disruption impacts (ABC, 2026)<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-19 |title=Highway closure not a 'natural' disaster, NSW government says |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-19/great-western-highway-taskforce/106471918 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | 25 March 2026 || Detour funding announced || A $50 million package was announced to upgrade key detour routes including Bells Line of Road, Chifley Road, and Darling Causeway (ABC, 2026<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-25 |title=$50m for Great Western Highway detour routes, as road remains 'unstable' |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-25/funding-to-maintain-detour-roads-in-great-western-highway/106495330 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>). |- | Late March 2026 || Highway closure || The affected section of the highway was closed due to escalating safety risks from structural instability. |- | 10 April 2026 || Geotechnical investigations || Investigations confirmed subsurface voids and significant ground instability beneath the roadway (ABC, 2026)<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-04-10 |title=Minister says there is no 'proper timetable' for reopening NSW highway |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-10/great-western-highway-geotechnical-study-shows-gaps-under-road/106549768 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | April 2026 || Monitoring phase || Ongoing monitoring and assessment of structural conditions continued while long-term solutions were evaluated. |- | 5 May 2026 || Engineering solutions shortlisted || Engineering options were shortlisted for detailed evaluation, progressing toward the design phase (ABC, 2026<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-05-05 |title=Great Western Highway fix in sight almost 60 days after road shut |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-05/great-western-highway-solution/106641888 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>). |} == Maps of locations == The Great Western Highway is a major transport corridor connecting Sydney to western New South Wales through the Blue Mountains. The failure occurred at Victoria Pass, a steep and historically significant section of the route. Key locations include Victoria Pass (failure point), Mitchell’s Causeway / Convict Bridge area (structural weakness zone), Bells Line of Road (northern detour), Chifley Road (southern detour), and Lithgow approaches (traffic redistribution routes) (ABC, 2026).<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-25 |title=$50m for Great Western Highway detour routes, as road remains 'unstable' |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-25/funding-to-maintain-detour-roads-in-great-western-highway/106495330 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref> Traffic has been diverted across these alternative routes, increasing congestion and travel times across the Blue Mountains corridor due to closure of the primary highway link. == Identification of policy issues == === Heritage Listing as Structural Lock-In === The NSW Heritage Act 1977 establishes the State Heritage Register and defines conditions under which listed assets may be altered. The heritage listing for Victoria Pass and Berghofers Pass includes exemptions only for specific works, including emergency stabilisation activities where a structure has been damaged and poses a safety risk. Everything below that threshold falls outside permissible intervention under normal conditions, including the urgently required structural reinforcement of a masonry retained embankment that has been overly exposed to loads beyond its structural capacity. The fundamental incompatibility between a rubble-filled sandstone embankment and 12,000 vehicles per day (including semi-trailer trucks) could not be easily addressed by Transport for NSW without interventions the listing prohibited. Heritage listing without a parallel structural compatibility assessment has converted the bridge from a living piece of infrastructure into a frozen liability. The asset must be preserved as-is while continuing to carry loads it cannot tolerate, with intervention only permitted after the point of failure. The NSW Government’s own geotechnical investigations confirmed that the 200-year-old fill had deteriorated significantly, creating voids and gaps throughout the substructure. It was even acknowledged that without enhanced monitoring installed in late 2025, the structure could have collapsed before defects were detected (NSW Government, 2026)<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-04-10 |title=Geotechnical data to inform long-term solution for Great Western Highway {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/geotechnical-data-to-inform-long-term-solution-for-great-western-highway |language=en-AU}}</ref>. That monitoring was installed three months before failure on a structure that had been carrying highway-grade traffic for over a century. It indicates that the asset management program was operating reactively rather than condition-based mode at this site. === The Substructure Monitoring Deficit === The deterioration of the site was not being tracked through substructure inspection. Enhanced monitoring was installed in December 2025, presenting as proactive stewardship in TfNSW’s public communications, but the fact that real-time structural monitoring was not in place on a known-risk heritage asset carrying primary freight traffic until three months before catastrophic failure indicates an inspection and asset management programme that had not matched its cadence to the risk profile of the structure. === The Announcement-Commitment Gap === The bypass tunnel cancellation is the most politically visible element of the state-level failure, but it sits within a longer pattern of interrupted commitment on the Great Western Highway that substantially predates the Minns government. A prime example of “strategic misrepresentation” in megaproject approval, where proponents deliberately underestimate costs and overestimate benefits to secure political commitment, knowing the commitment will not survive contact with delivery (Flyvberj, 2013)<ref name=":0">{{Cite web |last=Flyvbjerg |first=Bent |date=2013-03-20 |title=Survival of the Unfittest: Why the Worst Infrastructure Gets Built, And What We Can Do about It |url=https://arxiv.org/abs/1303.6571v1 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=arXiv.org |language=en |doi=10.48550/arXiv.1303.6571}}</ref>. Australian governments are prone to announcing projects they have no realistic intention of building within their term, generating regional goodwill at low political cost, while deferring the fiscal and delivery burden to successors who then cancel and repeat the cycle. Flyvbjerg identifies systematic problems in the development process, whereby proponents intentionally misrepresent information and deliberately disregard risks, instigating projects that result in fewer benefits and higher costs than promised (Flyvberj, 2013) <ref name=":0" />. The inverse also applies: announced projects that were always underfunded relative to delivery requirements. This is evident in the proposed twin-tunnel upgrade for the Great Western Highway. In the September 2023 state budget, the Minns government reallocated state funding commitments for the upgrade. In November 2023, the federal government confirmed it would also reallocate its funding commitment, redirecting it to other priorities (TfNSW, 2024) <ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2023-01-30 |title=Blackheath to Little Hartley Upgrade |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/node/19457 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.transport.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref>. The tunnels were formally cancelled in favour of softer commitments. The causeway failed six weeks later. The planning investment was sunk, but the corridor problem it was designed to solve remained. Transport for NSW ultimately paused all work on upgrades to the Great Western Highway between Katoomba and Lithgow, apart from the Medlow Bath and Coxs River Road upgrades, with state and federal funding commitments redirected to other projects (TfNSW, 2026) <ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2023-01-30 |title=Great Western Highway |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/node/19470 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.transport.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref>. === Metro Spending Bias === Sydney Metro alone comprised over a quarter of NSW’s total four-year infrastructure spend in the 2023–24 budget, at $24.9 billion over four years (Infrastructure Partnerships Australia, 2023) <ref>{{Cite web |last=https://www.tophamguerin.com |date=2023-12-18 |title=Australian Infrastructure Budget Monitor 2023-24 |url=https://infrastructure.org.au/policy-research/major-reports/australian-infrastructure-budget-monitor-2023-24/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Infrastructure Partnerships Australia |language=en-US}}</ref>. The bulk of NSW road funding was directed toward the Western Harbour Tunnel and Princes Highway Corridor. The same organisation went on to note that NSW may experience a deficit in the medium to long-term regional pipeline (Infrastructure Partnerships Australia, 2024) <ref>{{Cite web |last=https://www.tophamguerin.com |date=2024-10-24 |title=Australian Infrastructure Budget Monitor 2024-25 |url=https://infrastructure.org.au/policy-research/major-reports/australian-infrastructure-budget-monitor-2024-25/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Infrastructure Partnerships Australia |language=en-US}}</ref>. The Great Western Highway bypass, at a total project cost estimated at $12 billion over an eight-to-ten year build, was cancelled due to being ‘fiscally unachievable’ in the same budget environment that continued to fund cost overruns in the Greater Sydney metropolitan area. The Sydney Metro City and Southwest line alone exceeded its original budget by approximately $5.1 billion, yet an additional $1 billion in interim funding was allocated to the project. Metropolitan projects concentrate benefits in large, media-visible electorates, while regional corridor projects benefit smaller, dispersed populations. Successive budgets treated the Great Western Highway as a maintenance problem rather than a capital investment priority, while overruns in metro-context projects were absorbed without similar scrutiny. This asymmetry was flagged explicitly before the 2023 election, arguing that Labor’s stated intention to redirect Great Western Highway funding to Western Sydney infrastructure would leave the Central West without a safe and productive link to Sydney (Lachlan Shire Council, 2023) <ref>{{Cite web |title=Regional transport and roads could decide State Election |url=https://www.lachlan.nsw.gov.au/News-articles/Regional-transport-and-roads-could-decide-State-Election |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.lachlan.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref>. === Short-Termism and the Electoral Cycle === Major transport infrastructure in Australia runs on a 10–15 year development and delivery horizon. NSW state electoral terms run to four years. No government that announces a major regional infrastructure project opens it. The announcement is the political event; delivery is not. Political short-termism is formally defined in the literature as the systematic prioritisation of short-term net policy benefits over long-term outcomes, hindering policy investments that impose short-term costs on society to address long-term challenges (Ogami, 2024) <ref name=":1">{{Cite journal |last=Ogami |first=Masakazu |date=2024-05-02 |title=The Conditionality of Political Short‐Termism: A Review of Empirical and Experimental Studies |url=https://www.cogitatiopress.com/politicsandgovernance/article/view/7764 |journal=Politics and Governance |language=en |volume=12 |issue=0 |doi=10.17645/pag.7764 |issn=2183-2463}}</ref>. Infrastructure costs are immediate, visible, and attributable; benefits are diffuse, delayed, and frequently credited to successors. The short-term actor announces rather than builds, the incoming government cancels an adversary’s political monument. Contributing traits such as short electoral cycles, voters’ discounting of future policy benefits, and partisanship are particularly acute in the Australian context of short electoral terms and adversarial two-party politics (Ogami, 2024) <ref name=":1" />. There is no institutional obligation on a NSW government to honour prior infrastructure commitments not yet under contract. Independent authorities have no more than advisory power over infrastructure pipelines. Infrastructure NSW and Infrastructure Australia can recommend and prioritise, but not prevent the government from redirecting committed funding upon taking office. === Heritage-Infrastructure Compatibility Framework === The heritage listing at Victoria Pass was the correct cultural heritage decision. However, the systematic framework for assessing and managing compatibility and longevity of heritage-listed infrastructures continues to be absent. The NSW Heritage Act 1977 and its associated guidelines do not require ongoing assessment of whether a listed asset’s structural characteristics remain compatible with the loads placed upon it, or mandate intervention thresholds short of emergency conditions. The NSW State Infrastructure Strategy 2018–2038 recommended introducing an asset management policy with a new assurance model, but its focus was on capital growth and network efficiency, with no meaningful attention on infrastructure compatibility (Affan, 2019) <ref>{{Cite journal |last=Affan |first=Rami |date=10 June, 2019 |title=Getting asset management right: a new framework |url=https://127.0.0.1/getting-asset-management-right-a-new-framework/ |journal=Infrastructure Journal}}</ref>. The gap is not owned by a single agency: Heritage NSW administers the listing conditions; Transport for NSW manages the asset; Treasury funds maintenance allocations. All of which are not required to jointly assess whether a heritage listing, a loading profile, and a maintenance budget are mutually compatible over time. === The Procurement Model and Policy Continuity === Love et. al. argue that the traditional procurement model used by Australian state governments fails to deliver expected benefits for large-scale transport projects, and that a focused policy-making pathway is largely absent. Especially in future-proofing complex infrastructure assets against unanticipated changes in load, use, or structural condition (Love et. al., 2021) <ref>{{Cite journal |date=2021-12-01 |title=A procurement policy-making pathway to future-proof large-scale transport infrastructure assets |url=https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S073988592100041X |journal=Research in Transportation Economics |language=en-US |volume=90 |pages=101069 |doi=10.1016/j.retrec.2021.101069 |issn=0739-8859}}</ref>. The structural consequence is that major transport assets are managed transactionally, without a long-horizon framework for assessing when a structure has moved beyond the envelope of maintainability and requires replacement or bypass. Mitchell’s Causeway is the reductio ad absurdum of this model: a structure well past its design life, carrying loads it was never intended for, preserved by heritage listing from the interventions that would have resolved the incompatibility, and sustained by a maintenance programme that could not address what the listing prevented. Politicisation, inconsistent engagement, and short-termism undermine public trust, and erode reform capability in Australian infrastructure governance. These barriers are embedded in the institutional design of the system, not attributable to the decisions of particular governments (ANU, 2025) <ref>{{Cite web |title=Strengthening Australia's capacity for policy reform {{!}} ANU Institute for Infrastructure in Society |url=https://infrastructure.anu.edu.au/strengthening-australias-capacity-policy-reform |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=infrastructure.anu.edu.au}}</ref>. == Narrative of the case == The Convict Bridge, also known as Mitchell’s Causeway, highlights a classic infrastructure paradox: a historically significant asset continues to perform a modern, high-demand transport function long after its design life has expired. Built in 1832 during the colonial era using convict labour, the bridge is one of Australia’s earliest and most significant transport assets. For almost two centuries, it has played a vital role in connecting communities across the Blue Mountains and supporting movement between Sydney and inland New South Wales. Over time, the bridge became an essential transport link within the regional road network. However, its original design was never intended to accommodate the heavy traffic volumes and vehicle loads associated with contemporary transport systems. As decades passed, increasing pressure placed stress on the sandstone retaining walls and the underlying structure. Although engineers had identified signs of deterioration in earlier years, intervention was limited due to heritage restrictions and funding priorities. As a result, most works focused on surface-level upgrades rather than major structural improvements. Eventually, geotechnical instability emerged, with reports identifying movement in retaining walls and buttresses<ref>{{Cite web |title= |url=https://www.nationaltrust.org.au/conservation-landscape-mitchells-causeway/? |access-date= |website=}}</ref> . Concerns intensified in late 2025 when local stakeholders warned that the bridge could potentially fail under modern loading conditions. Despite these warnings, immediate policy action was limited. Instead, authorities relied primarily on monitoring technologies, reflecting a reactive rather than preventative approach to infrastructure management<ref>{{Cite journal |last= |first= |date= |title=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-10/great-western-highway-convict-bridge-closed/106432242 |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-10/great-western-highway-convict-bridge-closed/106432242 |journal= |language=en-AU}}</ref> . In early March 2026, visible structural movement and cracking appeared along the roadway surface. In response, authorities closed Victoria Pass to protect public safety. The closure immediately disrupted a major transport corridor used by approximately 12,000 people daily and forced motorists and freight operators to take lengthy detours<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-13 |title=“We will not risk lives”: Extra rail and transport services to be rolled out as Great Western Highway closure to remain in place for at least three months {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. The closure also revealed broader systemic issues within regional infrastructure planning. It exposed weaknesses such as insufficient network redundancy, delayed investment in alternative routes, and limited long-term planning for aging infrastructure. Local communities experienced longer travel times, economic impacts, and reduced accessibility, while freight transport became less efficient and more expensive<ref>{{Cite news |last=Buckley |first=Penry |last2=Larkin |first2=Jack |date=2026-03-13 |title=A key Blue Mountains road closure is blowing out travel times – and causing ‘red hot anger’ among locals |language=en-GB |work=The Guardian |url=https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2026/mar/14/blue-mountains-road-convict-bridge-closure-nsw-travel |access-date=2026-05-22 |issn=0261-3077}}</ref> . Importantly, the incident demonstrated how vulnerable regional transport systems in New South Wales can become when they depend heavily on a single piece of infrastructure. Alternative routes, including the Bells Line of Road, were not designed to accommodate the sudden increase in redirected freight and traffic volumes, creating additional congestion and safety concerns<ref>{{Cite web |title=Client Challenge |url=https://www.hawkesburygazette.com/victoria-pass-closure-sends-shockwaves-along-blor-to-richmond-and-beyond/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.hawkesburygazette.com}}</ref>. From a governance perspective, the response further underscores systemic weaknesses. While the NSW Government implemented short-term mitigation measures—such as increased public transport services—these actions addressed symptoms rather than underlying causes. The urgency of post-failure engineering procurement highlights how crisis conditions often accelerate decision-making that had been deferred under normal circumstances<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-13 |title=“We will not risk lives”: Extra rail and transport services to be rolled out as Great Western Highway closure to remain in place for at least three months {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Ultimately, the Convict Bridge case reflects a wider issue in infrastructure planning and asset management: the disconnect between long-term infrastructure needs and short-term political, financial, and policy constraints. Rather than being an unexpected failure, closure can be understood as the result of years of deferred intervention, competing priorities between heritage preservation and operational performance, and limited proactive investment in resilient transport infrastructure. ==Discussion Questions== 1: Is the announcement-commitment gap a failure of political will, or an inevitable product of democratic institutional design? 2: Did the heritage listing of Victoria Pass serve the public interest, or did it subordinate infrastructure safety to cultural preservation in a way that was never transparently debated? 3: Existing Cost-Benefit Analysis process justifies projects based on actual usage and density, which is naturally unfavourable for infrastructure funding in regional and remote areas, how can we close this gap? 4: The causeway’s failure was physically gradual but politically sudden, and it can be traced back to the absence of political accountability. What measures can be put in place in the existing decision making framework that will meaningfully mitigate this? ==Further reading== '''1. Transport for NSW. (2023). ''Crossing the Blue Mountains: The Great Western Road'''''<ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport |title=Crossing the Blue Mountains |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/system/files/media/documents/2023/crossing_the_blue_mountains_the_great_western_road.pdf}}</ref> '''.''' Official NSW Government historical report on the development of transport infrastructure across the Blue Mountains. '''2. Project Gutenberg Australia. ''Three Expeditions into the Interior of Eastern Australia – Thomas Mitchell''''' <ref>{{Cite web |title=Three Expeditions into the Interior V2 |url=https://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks/e00036.html |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=gutenberg.net.au}}</ref>'''.''' Historical primary source documenting early colonial exploration and road development. 3. '''Sydney to Central West Corridors White Paper (Transport for NSW)'''<ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2025-12-03 |title=Sydney to Central West Corridors White Paper |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/node/31741 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.transport.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref> A strategic planning document assessing capacity, safety, and resilience challenges along the Great Western Highway and alternative routes. 4. '''Australia’s Longest Road Tunnel Proposal – Blue Mountains'''<ref>{{Cite web |last=Walker |first=Nicole |date=2022-05-23 |title=Australia's longest road tunnel through Blue Mountains |url=https://concreteinstitute.com.au/australias-longest-road-tunnel-through-blue-mountains/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Concrete Institute of Australia |language=en-AU}}</ref> Discusses proposed large-scale infrastructure solutions to improve safety, reduce travel times, and increase resilience. 5. 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Known locally as the Convict Bridge, the causeway carries the Great Western Highway between Little Hartley and Mount Victoria, where around 12,000 vehicles normally passed each day <ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-05-05 |title=Great Western Highway fix in sight almost 60 days after road shut |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-05/great-western-highway-solution/106641888 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. Once the road closed, that traffic had to move through longer and less suitable mountain detours. The problem was not just that an old bridge cracked. More uncomfortable is the fact that this old bridge was still doing the job of a modern strategic road. Mitchell's Causeway is historically valuable because it remains a rare example of colonial road engineering. Heritage NSW records that the Victoria Pass Causeway was built between 1829 and 1832 and has retained much of its original form and fabric<ref>{{Cite web |title=Victoria Pass {{!}} Heritage NSW |url=https://apps.environment.nsw.gov.au/dpcheritageapp/ViewHeritageItemDetails.aspx?ID=4301023 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=apps.environment.nsw.gov.au}}</ref>. That heritage value matters, but it also makes the present-day transport problem harder. A normal road asset can be rebuilt with fewer constraints; a convict-built causeway on the State Heritage Register cannot be treated so casually. Safety, heritage and traffic function all sit on the same narrow piece of road. By April, geotechnical work had confirmed that the issue was deeper than surface pavement damage. Minister Jenny Aitchison said the fill underneath the road had deteriorated and that there were "voids and gaps" within the causeway structure<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-04-10 |title=Minister says there is no 'proper timetable' for reopening NSW highway |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-10/great-western-highway-geotechnical-study-shows-gaps-under-road/106549768 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. Earlier warning signs also matter here. ABC reported that local business groups had raised concerns about the safety and durability of the Convict Bridge before the closure, while broader corridor planning had already identified reliability problems at Victoria Pass<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-10 |title=Government warned now-closed 'horse and cart' Convict Bridge unfit for modern traffic |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-10/great-western-highway-convict-bridge-closed/106432242 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. In other words, the shutdown did not come from nowhere. Official advice suggested that the Darling Causeway and Bells Line of Road detour could add up to 25 minutes to a Blue Mountains crossing<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-13 |title=“We will not risk lives”: Extra rail and transport services to be rolled out as Great Western Highway closure to remain in place for at least three months {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. That figure is tidy, but real life was not. For a person making one flexible trip, 25 minutes may be manageable. For students, workers, freight drivers, medical trips and small businesses relying on passing traffic, the cost was repeated every day. The detour became part of people's routines, not just a line in a traffic update. The state moved quickly once the road was closed. Extra rail, coach and school bus services followed, agencies formed an incident management team, and the government committed A$50 million to improving detour routes such as Darling Causeway, Chifley Road and Lithgow Main Street<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-25 |title=Minns Government commits $50 million to strengthen detour routes during Great Western Highway closure {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/minns-government-commits-50-million-to-strengthen-detour-routes-during-great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Later, Transport for NSW received ten engineering submissions and shortlisted consortia led by Seymour Whyte and Gamuda to develop repair options<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-05-13 |title=Two engineering solutions shortlisted to restore Great Western Highway at Victoria Pass {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/victoria-pass-engineering-solutions-shortlisted |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Those responses were necessary. Yet their timing is hard to ignore: the detour network became urgent only after the main route had already failed. In short, this is less a heritage repair problem than a failure of transport resilience: a known vulnerable link lacked a robust fallback before it failed. The road can eventually reopen, but reopening alone will not explain why that fallback was missing. == Annotated list of factors == {| class="wikitable" ! Actor / Stakeholder group ! Role in the case ! Main interests, concerns and policy relevance |- | '''Transport for NSW, engineers and heritage specialists''' | Led the operational response, including road closure, monitoring, detours and technical assessment. | Transport for NSW had to prioritise public safety once movement was detected at Mitchell’s Causeway. The closure itself was difficult to dispute, but the harder issue sits before the closure: whether the agency had clear enough trigger points for earlier intervention, especially after local concerns about the bridge’s safety had already been raised(Heritage NSW, n.d.). |- | '''Heritage NSW and conservation interests''' | Defined the heritage value of Victoria Pass Causeway and shaped the limits of repair. | Heritage NSW gives the site its historical weight. The causeway matters because much of its colonial engineering remains legible, but that is exactly what complicates repair. Current policy protects the heritage asset, yet it does not clearly answer how that asset should function when it is still part of a freight and commuter route (Heritage NSW, n.d.). |- | '''NSW Government, Minister Jenny Aitchison and the repair decision''' | Managed the political response, public messaging, funding and repair procurement. | The government’s safety-first message was reasonable, but it also narrowed the public conversation. Once the issue was framed mainly as “do not risk lives,” less attention was given to why a known fragile cross-mountain link had no pre-prepared detour capacity strong enough to absorb the failure. The repair decision also has to balance speed, durability, cost, heritage approval and political pressure<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-05-13 |title=Two engineering solutions shortlisted to restore Great Western Highway at Victoria Pass {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/victoria-pass-engineering-solutions-shortlisted |language=en-AU}}</ref>. |- | '''Those who carried the cost: communities, businesses, councils and freight''' | Experienced the practical impacts of the closure on daily travel, local trade and freight movement. | The closure landed unevenly. Local councils had to manage congestion and road wear even though the highway was a state responsibility<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-25 |title=Minns Government commits $50 million to strengthen detour routes during Great Western Highway closure {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/minns-government-commits-50-million-to-strengthen-detour-routes-during-great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Families faced longer school and work trips. Businesses lost customers who used to arrive because the highway brought them past the front door. Freight users were pushed onto less suitable routes through Lithgow, Chifley Road, Darling Causeway and Bells Line of Road<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-05-05 |title=Great Western Highway fix in sight almost 60 days after road shut |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-05/great-western-highway-solution/106641888 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | '''NSW Reconstruction Authority and the Community Coordination Taskforce''' | Coordinated communication between government, councils, industry and affected communities. | The taskforce gave councils, industry and community groups a clearer contact point during the disruption. Its role was narrower than Transport for NSW’s technical role, but it showed how unusual the closure was: the event did not fit neatly into normal disaster arrangements, while affected towns experienced it as a major regional disruption<ref>{{Cite journal |last=Authority |first=NSW Reconstruction |date=2026-03-19 |title=New Taskforce to coordinate support for Great Western Highway communities {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/new-taskforce-to-coordinate-support-for-great-western-highway-communities-0 |language=en-AU}}</ref>. |} == Timeline of events == {| class="wikitable" |+ Timeline of Victoria Pass (Convict Bridge) and 2026 Great Western Highway Events ! Period / Date !! Event !! Description |- | 1829–1833 || Planning, construction and early completion of Victoria Pass (Convict Bridge) || Surveyor-General Thomas Mitchell planned the western route over the Blue Mountains (1829–1830). Construction of Victoria Pass and associated sandstone structures, including the Convict Bridge, began in 1830 using convict labour. The route opened in 1832, providing a key connection between Sydney and the Central West. Final completion works and early repairs continued through 1832–1833 due to steep terrain, engineering constraints, and early structural challenges (NSW Government, n.d.)<ref>{{Cite web |title=Victoria Pass {{!}} Heritage NSW |url=https://apps.environment.nsw.gov.au/dpcheritageapp/ViewHeritageItemDetails.aspx?id=4301023 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=apps.environment.nsw.gov.au}}</ref>. |- | 1999 || Heritage listing || The Victoria Pass precinct, including the Convict Bridge area, was listed on the New South Wales State Heritage Register (NSW Government, n.d.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Heritage |url=https://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/topics/heritage |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Environment and Heritage |language=en}}</ref>). |- | Early March 2026 || Structural concerns identified || Cracking and instability were identified at the Victoria Pass section of the Great Western Highway (ABC, 2026)<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-19 |title=Highway closure not a 'natural' disaster, NSW government says |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-19/great-western-highway-taskforce/106471918 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | 19 March 2026 || Taskforce established || NSW Government established a multi-agency taskforce to manage response and disruption impacts (ABC, 2026)<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-19 |title=Highway closure not a 'natural' disaster, NSW government says |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-19/great-western-highway-taskforce/106471918 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | 25 March 2026 || Detour funding announced || A $50 million package was announced to upgrade key detour routes including Bells Line of Road, Chifley Road, and Darling Causeway (ABC, 2026<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-25 |title=$50m for Great Western Highway detour routes, as road remains 'unstable' |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-25/funding-to-maintain-detour-roads-in-great-western-highway/106495330 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>). |- | Late March 2026 || Highway closure || The affected section of the highway was closed due to escalating safety risks from structural instability. |- | 10 April 2026 || Geotechnical investigations || Investigations confirmed subsurface voids and significant ground instability beneath the roadway (ABC, 2026)<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-04-10 |title=Minister says there is no 'proper timetable' for reopening NSW highway |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-10/great-western-highway-geotechnical-study-shows-gaps-under-road/106549768 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | April 2026 || Monitoring phase || Ongoing monitoring and assessment of structural conditions continued while long-term solutions were evaluated. |- | 5 May 2026 || Engineering solutions shortlisted || Engineering options were shortlisted for detailed evaluation, progressing toward the design phase (ABC, 2026<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-05-05 |title=Great Western Highway fix in sight almost 60 days after road shut |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-05/great-western-highway-solution/106641888 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>). |} == Maps of locations == The Great Western Highway is a major transport corridor connecting Sydney to western New South Wales through the Blue Mountains. The failure occurred at Victoria Pass, a steep and historically significant section of the route. Key locations include Victoria Pass (failure point), Mitchell’s Causeway / Convict Bridge area (structural weakness zone), Bells Line of Road (northern detour), Chifley Road (southern detour), and Lithgow approaches (traffic redistribution routes) (ABC, 2026).<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-25 |title=$50m for Great Western Highway detour routes, as road remains 'unstable' |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-25/funding-to-maintain-detour-roads-in-great-western-highway/106495330 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref> Traffic has been diverted across these alternative routes, increasing congestion and travel times across the Blue Mountains corridor due to closure of the primary highway link. == Identification of policy issues == === Heritage Listing as Structural Lock-In === The NSW Heritage Act 1977 establishes the State Heritage Register and defines conditions under which listed assets may be altered. The heritage listing for Victoria Pass and Berghofers Pass includes exemptions only for specific works, including emergency stabilisation activities where a structure has been damaged and poses a safety risk. Everything below that threshold falls outside permissible intervention under normal conditions, including the urgently required structural reinforcement of a masonry retained embankment that has been overly exposed to loads beyond its structural capacity. The fundamental incompatibility between a rubble-filled sandstone embankment and 12,000 vehicles per day (including semi-trailer trucks) could not be easily addressed by Transport for NSW without interventions the listing prohibited. Heritage listing without a parallel structural compatibility assessment has converted the bridge from a living piece of infrastructure into a frozen liability. The asset must be preserved as-is while continuing to carry loads it cannot tolerate, with intervention only permitted after the point of failure. The NSW Government’s own geotechnical investigations confirmed that the 200-year-old fill had deteriorated significantly, creating voids and gaps throughout the substructure. It was even acknowledged that without enhanced monitoring installed in late 2025, the structure could have collapsed before defects were detected (NSW Government, 2026)<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-04-10 |title=Geotechnical data to inform long-term solution for Great Western Highway {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/geotechnical-data-to-inform-long-term-solution-for-great-western-highway |language=en-AU}}</ref>. That monitoring was installed three months before failure on a structure that had been carrying highway-grade traffic for over a century. It indicates that the asset management program was operating reactively rather than condition-based mode at this site. === The Substructure Monitoring Deficit === The deterioration of the site was not being tracked through substructure inspection. Enhanced monitoring was installed in December 2025, presenting as proactive stewardship in TfNSW’s public communications, but the fact that real-time structural monitoring was not in place on a known-risk heritage asset carrying primary freight traffic until three months before catastrophic failure indicates an inspection and asset management programme that had not matched its cadence to the risk profile of the structure. === The Announcement-Commitment Gap === The bypass tunnel cancellation is the most politically visible element of the state-level failure, but it sits within a longer pattern of interrupted commitment on the Great Western Highway that substantially predates the Minns government. A prime example of “strategic misrepresentation” in megaproject approval, where proponents deliberately underestimate costs and overestimate benefits to secure political commitment, knowing the commitment will not survive contact with delivery (Flyvberj, 2013)<ref name=":0">{{Cite web |last=Flyvbjerg |first=Bent |date=2013-03-20 |title=Survival of the Unfittest: Why the Worst Infrastructure Gets Built, And What We Can Do about It |url=https://arxiv.org/abs/1303.6571v1 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=arXiv.org |language=en |doi=10.48550/arXiv.1303.6571}}</ref>. Australian governments are prone to announcing projects they have no realistic intention of building within their term, generating regional goodwill at low political cost, while deferring the fiscal and delivery burden to successors who then cancel and repeat the cycle. Flyvbjerg identifies systematic problems in the development process, whereby proponents intentionally misrepresent information and deliberately disregard risks, instigating projects that result in fewer benefits and higher costs than promised (Flyvberj, 2013) <ref name=":0" />. The inverse also applies: announced projects that were always underfunded relative to delivery requirements. This is evident in the proposed twin-tunnel upgrade for the Great Western Highway. In the September 2023 state budget, the Minns government reallocated state funding commitments for the upgrade. In November 2023, the federal government confirmed it would also reallocate its funding commitment, redirecting it to other priorities (TfNSW, 2024) <ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2023-01-30 |title=Blackheath to Little Hartley Upgrade |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/node/19457 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.transport.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref>. The tunnels were formally cancelled in favour of softer commitments. The causeway failed six weeks later. The planning investment was sunk, but the corridor problem it was designed to solve remained. Transport for NSW ultimately paused all work on upgrades to the Great Western Highway between Katoomba and Lithgow, apart from the Medlow Bath and Coxs River Road upgrades, with state and federal funding commitments redirected to other projects (TfNSW, 2026) <ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2023-01-30 |title=Great Western Highway |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/node/19470 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.transport.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref>. === Metro Spending Bias === Sydney Metro alone comprised over a quarter of NSW’s total four-year infrastructure spend in the 2023–24 budget, at $24.9 billion over four years (Infrastructure Partnerships Australia, 2023) <ref>{{Cite web |last=https://www.tophamguerin.com |date=2023-12-18 |title=Australian Infrastructure Budget Monitor 2023-24 |url=https://infrastructure.org.au/policy-research/major-reports/australian-infrastructure-budget-monitor-2023-24/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Infrastructure Partnerships Australia |language=en-US}}</ref>. The bulk of NSW road funding was directed toward the Western Harbour Tunnel and Princes Highway Corridor. The same organisation went on to note that NSW may experience a deficit in the medium to long-term regional pipeline (Infrastructure Partnerships Australia, 2024) <ref>{{Cite web |last=https://www.tophamguerin.com |date=2024-10-24 |title=Australian Infrastructure Budget Monitor 2024-25 |url=https://infrastructure.org.au/policy-research/major-reports/australian-infrastructure-budget-monitor-2024-25/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Infrastructure Partnerships Australia |language=en-US}}</ref>. The Great Western Highway bypass, at a total project cost estimated at $12 billion over an eight-to-ten year build, was cancelled due to being ‘fiscally unachievable’ in the same budget environment that continued to fund cost overruns in the Greater Sydney metropolitan area. The Sydney Metro City and Southwest line alone exceeded its original budget by approximately $5.1 billion, yet an additional $1 billion in interim funding was allocated to the project. Metropolitan projects concentrate benefits in large, media-visible electorates, while regional corridor projects benefit smaller, dispersed populations. Successive budgets treated the Great Western Highway as a maintenance problem rather than a capital investment priority, while overruns in metro-context projects were absorbed without similar scrutiny. This asymmetry was flagged explicitly before the 2023 election, arguing that Labor’s stated intention to redirect Great Western Highway funding to Western Sydney infrastructure would leave the Central West without a safe and productive link to Sydney (Lachlan Shire Council, 2023) <ref>{{Cite web |title=Regional transport and roads could decide State Election |url=https://www.lachlan.nsw.gov.au/News-articles/Regional-transport-and-roads-could-decide-State-Election |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.lachlan.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref>. === Short-Termism and the Electoral Cycle === Major transport infrastructure in Australia runs on a 10–15 year development and delivery horizon. NSW state electoral terms run to four years. No government that announces a major regional infrastructure project opens it. The announcement is the political event; delivery is not. Political short-termism is formally defined in the literature as the systematic prioritisation of short-term net policy benefits over long-term outcomes, hindering policy investments that impose short-term costs on society to address long-term challenges (Ogami, 2024) <ref name=":1">{{Cite journal |last=Ogami |first=Masakazu |date=2024-05-02 |title=The Conditionality of Political Short‐Termism: A Review of Empirical and Experimental Studies |url=https://www.cogitatiopress.com/politicsandgovernance/article/view/7764 |journal=Politics and Governance |language=en |volume=12 |issue=0 |doi=10.17645/pag.7764 |issn=2183-2463}}</ref>. Infrastructure costs are immediate, visible, and attributable; benefits are diffuse, delayed, and frequently credited to successors. The short-term actor announces rather than builds, the incoming government cancels an adversary’s political monument. Contributing traits such as short electoral cycles, voters’ discounting of future policy benefits, and partisanship are particularly acute in the Australian context of short electoral terms and adversarial two-party politics (Ogami, 2024) <ref name=":1" />. There is no institutional obligation on a NSW government to honour prior infrastructure commitments not yet under contract. Independent authorities have no more than advisory power over infrastructure pipelines. Infrastructure NSW and Infrastructure Australia can recommend and prioritise, but not prevent the government from redirecting committed funding upon taking office. === Heritage-Infrastructure Compatibility Framework === The heritage listing at Victoria Pass was the correct cultural heritage decision. However, the systematic framework for assessing and managing compatibility and longevity of heritage-listed infrastructures continues to be absent. The NSW Heritage Act 1977 and its associated guidelines do not require ongoing assessment of whether a listed asset’s structural characteristics remain compatible with the loads placed upon it, or mandate intervention thresholds short of emergency conditions. The NSW State Infrastructure Strategy 2018–2038 recommended introducing an asset management policy with a new assurance model, but its focus was on capital growth and network efficiency, with no meaningful attention on infrastructure compatibility (Affan, 2019) <ref>{{Cite journal |last=Affan |first=Rami |date=10 June, 2019 |title=Getting asset management right: a new framework |url=https://127.0.0.1/getting-asset-management-right-a-new-framework/ |journal=Infrastructure Journal}}</ref>. The gap is not owned by a single agency: Heritage NSW administers the listing conditions; Transport for NSW manages the asset; Treasury funds maintenance allocations. All of which are not required to jointly assess whether a heritage listing, a loading profile, and a maintenance budget are mutually compatible over time. === The Procurement Model and Policy Continuity === Love et. al. argue that the traditional procurement model used by Australian state governments fails to deliver expected benefits for large-scale transport projects, and that a focused policy-making pathway is largely absent. Especially in future-proofing complex infrastructure assets against unanticipated changes in load, use, or structural condition (Love et. al., 2021) <ref>{{Cite journal |date=2021-12-01 |title=A procurement policy-making pathway to future-proof large-scale transport infrastructure assets |url=https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S073988592100041X |journal=Research in Transportation Economics |language=en-US |volume=90 |pages=101069 |doi=10.1016/j.retrec.2021.101069 |issn=0739-8859}}</ref>. The structural consequence is that major transport assets are managed transactionally, without a long-horizon framework for assessing when a structure has moved beyond the envelope of maintainability and requires replacement or bypass. Mitchell’s Causeway is the reductio ad absurdum of this model: a structure well past its design life, carrying loads it was never intended for, preserved by heritage listing from the interventions that would have resolved the incompatibility, and sustained by a maintenance programme that could not address what the listing prevented. Politicisation, inconsistent engagement, and short-termism undermine public trust, and erode reform capability in Australian infrastructure governance. These barriers are embedded in the institutional design of the system, not attributable to the decisions of particular governments (ANU, 2025) <ref>{{Cite web |title=Strengthening Australia's capacity for policy reform {{!}} ANU Institute for Infrastructure in Society |url=https://infrastructure.anu.edu.au/strengthening-australias-capacity-policy-reform |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=infrastructure.anu.edu.au}}</ref>. == Narrative of the case == The Convict Bridge, also known as Mitchell’s Causeway, highlights a classic infrastructure paradox: a historically significant asset continues to perform a modern, high-demand transport function long after its design life has expired. Built in 1832 during the colonial era using convict labour, the bridge is one of Australia’s earliest and most significant transport assets. For almost two centuries, it has played a vital role in connecting communities across the Blue Mountains and supporting movement between Sydney and inland New South Wales. Over time, the bridge became an essential transport link within the regional road network. However, its original design was never intended to accommodate the heavy traffic volumes and vehicle loads associated with contemporary transport systems. As decades passed, increasing pressure placed stress on the sandstone retaining walls and the underlying structure. Although engineers had identified signs of deterioration in earlier years, intervention was limited due to heritage restrictions and funding priorities. As a result, most works focused on surface-level upgrades rather than major structural improvements. Eventually, geotechnical instability emerged, with reports identifying movement in retaining walls and buttresses<ref>{{Cite web |title= |url=https://www.nationaltrust.org.au/conservation-landscape-mitchells-causeway/? |access-date= |website=}}</ref> . Concerns intensified in late 2025 when local stakeholders warned that the bridge could potentially fail under modern loading conditions. Despite these warnings, immediate policy action was limited. Instead, authorities relied primarily on monitoring technologies, reflecting a reactive rather than preventative approach to infrastructure management<ref>{{Cite journal |last= |first= |date= |title=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-10/great-western-highway-convict-bridge-closed/106432242 |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-10/great-western-highway-convict-bridge-closed/106432242 |journal= |language=en-AU}}</ref> . In early March 2026, visible structural movement and cracking appeared along the roadway surface. In response, authorities closed Victoria Pass to protect public safety. The closure immediately disrupted a major transport corridor used by approximately 12,000 people daily and forced motorists and freight operators to take lengthy detours<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-13 |title=“We will not risk lives”: Extra rail and transport services to be rolled out as Great Western Highway closure to remain in place for at least three months {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. The closure also revealed broader systemic issues within regional infrastructure planning. It exposed weaknesses such as insufficient network redundancy, delayed investment in alternative routes, and limited long-term planning for aging infrastructure. Local communities experienced longer travel times, economic impacts, and reduced accessibility, while freight transport became less efficient and more expensive<ref>{{Cite news |last=Buckley |first=Penry |last2=Larkin |first2=Jack |date=2026-03-13 |title=A key Blue Mountains road closure is blowing out travel times – and causing ‘red hot anger’ among locals |language=en-GB |work=The Guardian |url=https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2026/mar/14/blue-mountains-road-convict-bridge-closure-nsw-travel |access-date=2026-05-22 |issn=0261-3077}}</ref> . Importantly, the incident demonstrated how vulnerable regional transport systems in New South Wales can become when they depend heavily on a single piece of infrastructure. Alternative routes, including the Bells Line of Road, were not designed to accommodate the sudden increase in redirected freight and traffic volumes, creating additional congestion and safety concerns<ref>{{Cite web |title=Client Challenge |url=https://www.hawkesburygazette.com/victoria-pass-closure-sends-shockwaves-along-blor-to-richmond-and-beyond/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.hawkesburygazette.com}}</ref>. From a governance perspective, the response further underscores systemic weaknesses. While the NSW Government implemented short-term mitigation measures—such as increased public transport services—these actions addressed symptoms rather than underlying causes. The urgency of post-failure engineering procurement highlights how crisis conditions often accelerate decision-making that had been deferred under normal circumstances<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-13 |title=“We will not risk lives”: Extra rail and transport services to be rolled out as Great Western Highway closure to remain in place for at least three months {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Ultimately, the Convict Bridge case reflects a wider issue in infrastructure planning and asset management: the disconnect between long-term infrastructure needs and short-term political, financial, and policy constraints. Rather than being an unexpected failure, closure can be understood as the result of years of deferred intervention, competing priorities between heritage preservation and operational performance, and limited proactive investment in resilient transport infrastructure. ==Discussion Questions== 1: Is the announcement-commitment gap a failure of political will, or an inevitable product of democratic institutional design? 2: Did the heritage listing of Victoria Pass serve the public interest, or did it subordinate infrastructure safety to cultural preservation in a way that was never transparently debated? 3: Existing Cost-Benefit Analysis process justifies projects based on actual usage and density, which is naturally unfavourable for infrastructure funding in regional and remote areas, how can we close this gap? 4: The causeway’s failure was physically gradual but politically sudden, and it can be traced back to the absence of political accountability. What measures can be put in place in the existing decision making framework that will meaningfully mitigate this? ==Further reading== '''1. Transport for NSW. (2023). ''Crossing the Blue Mountains: The Great Western Road'''''<ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport |title=Crossing the Blue Mountains |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/system/files/media/documents/2023/crossing_the_blue_mountains_the_great_western_road.pdf}}</ref> '''.''' Official NSW Government historical report on the development of transport infrastructure across the Blue Mountains. '''2. Project Gutenberg Australia. ''Three Expeditions into the Interior of Eastern Australia – Thomas Mitchell''''' <ref>{{Cite web |title=Three Expeditions into the Interior V2 |url=https://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks/e00036.html |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=gutenberg.net.au}}</ref>'''.''' Historical primary source documenting early colonial exploration and road development. 3. '''Sydney to Central West Corridors White Paper (Transport for NSW)'''<ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2025-12-03 |title=Sydney to Central West Corridors White Paper |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/node/31741 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.transport.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref> A strategic planning document assessing capacity, safety, and resilience challenges along the Great Western Highway and alternative routes. 4. '''Australia’s Longest Road Tunnel Proposal – Blue Mountains'''<ref>{{Cite web |last=Walker |first=Nicole |date=2022-05-23 |title=Australia's longest road tunnel through Blue Mountains |url=https://concreteinstitute.com.au/australias-longest-road-tunnel-through-blue-mountains/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Concrete Institute of Australia |language=en-AU}}</ref> Discusses proposed large-scale infrastructure solutions to improve safety, reduce travel times, and increase resilience. 5. 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Known locally as the Convict Bridge, the causeway carries the Great Western Highway between Little Hartley and Mount Victoria, where around 12,000 vehicles normally passed each day <ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-05-05 |title=Great Western Highway fix in sight almost 60 days after road shut |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-05/great-western-highway-solution/106641888 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. Once the road closed, that traffic had to move through longer and less suitable mountain detours. The problem was not just that an old bridge cracked. More uncomfortable is the fact that this old bridge was still doing the job of a modern strategic road. Mitchell's Causeway is historically valuable because it remains a rare example of colonial road engineering. Heritage NSW records that the Victoria Pass Causeway was built between 1829 and 1832 and has retained much of its original form and fabric<ref>{{Cite web |title=Victoria Pass {{!}} Heritage NSW |url=https://apps.environment.nsw.gov.au/dpcheritageapp/ViewHeritageItemDetails.aspx?ID=4301023 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=apps.environment.nsw.gov.au}}</ref>. That heritage value matters, but it also makes the present-day transport problem harder. A normal road asset can be rebuilt with fewer constraints; a convict-built causeway on the State Heritage Register cannot be treated so casually. Safety, heritage and traffic function all sit on the same narrow piece of road. By April, geotechnical work had confirmed that the issue was deeper than surface pavement damage. Minister Jenny Aitchison said the fill underneath the road had deteriorated and that there were "voids and gaps" within the causeway structure<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-04-10 |title=Minister says there is no 'proper timetable' for reopening NSW highway |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-10/great-western-highway-geotechnical-study-shows-gaps-under-road/106549768 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. Earlier warning signs also matter here. ABC reported that local business groups had raised concerns about the safety and durability of the Convict Bridge before the closure, while broader corridor planning had already identified reliability problems at Victoria Pass<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-10 |title=Government warned now-closed 'horse and cart' Convict Bridge unfit for modern traffic |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-10/great-western-highway-convict-bridge-closed/106432242 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. In other words, the shutdown did not come from nowhere. Official advice suggested that the Darling Causeway and Bells Line of Road detour could add up to 25 minutes to a Blue Mountains crossing<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-13 |title=“We will not risk lives”: Extra rail and transport services to be rolled out as Great Western Highway closure to remain in place for at least three months {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. That figure is tidy, but real life was not. For a person making one flexible trip, 25 minutes may be manageable. For students, workers, freight drivers, medical trips and small businesses relying on passing traffic, the cost was repeated every day. The detour became part of people's routines, not just a line in a traffic update. The state moved quickly once the road was closed. Extra rail, coach and school bus services followed, agencies formed an incident management team, and the government committed A$50 million to improving detour routes such as Darling Causeway, Chifley Road and Lithgow Main Street<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-25 |title=Minns Government commits $50 million to strengthen detour routes during Great Western Highway closure {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/minns-government-commits-50-million-to-strengthen-detour-routes-during-great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Later, Transport for NSW received ten engineering submissions and shortlisted consortia led by Seymour Whyte and Gamuda to develop repair options<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-05-13 |title=Two engineering solutions shortlisted to restore Great Western Highway at Victoria Pass {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/victoria-pass-engineering-solutions-shortlisted |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Those responses were necessary. Yet their timing is hard to ignore: the detour network became urgent only after the main route had already failed. In short, this is less a heritage repair problem than a failure of transport resilience: a known vulnerable link lacked a robust fallback before it failed. The road can eventually reopen, but reopening alone will not explain why that fallback was missing. == Annotated list of factors == {| class="wikitable" ! Actor / Stakeholder group ! Role in the case ! Main interests, concerns and policy relevance |- | '''Transport for NSW, engineers and heritage specialists''' | Led the operational response, including road closure, monitoring, detours and technical assessment. | Transport for NSW had to prioritise public safety once movement was detected at Mitchell’s Causeway. The closure itself was difficult to dispute, but the harder issue sits before the closure: whether the agency had clear enough trigger points for earlier intervention, especially after local concerns about the bridge’s safety had already been raised(Heritage NSW, n.d.). |- | '''Heritage NSW and conservation interests''' | Defined the heritage value of Victoria Pass Causeway and shaped the limits of repair. | Heritage NSW gives the site its historical weight. The causeway matters because much of its colonial engineering remains legible, but that is exactly what complicates repair. Current policy protects the heritage asset, yet it does not clearly answer how that asset should function when it is still part of a freight and commuter route (Heritage NSW, n.d.). |- | '''NSW Government, Minister Jenny Aitchison and the repair decision''' | Managed the political response, public messaging, funding and repair procurement. | The government’s safety-first message was reasonable, but it also narrowed the public conversation. Once the issue was framed mainly as “do not risk lives,” less attention was given to why a known fragile cross-mountain link had no pre-prepared detour capacity strong enough to absorb the failure. The repair decision also has to balance speed, durability, cost, heritage approval and political pressure<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-05-13 |title=Two engineering solutions shortlisted to restore Great Western Highway at Victoria Pass {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/victoria-pass-engineering-solutions-shortlisted |language=en-AU}}</ref>. |- | '''Those who carried the cost: communities, businesses, councils and freight''' | Experienced the practical impacts of the closure on daily travel, local trade and freight movement. | The closure landed unevenly. Local councils had to manage congestion and road wear even though the highway was a state responsibility<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-25 |title=Minns Government commits $50 million to strengthen detour routes during Great Western Highway closure {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/minns-government-commits-50-million-to-strengthen-detour-routes-during-great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Families faced longer school and work trips. Businesses lost customers who used to arrive because the highway brought them past the front door. Freight users were pushed onto less suitable routes through Lithgow, Chifley Road, Darling Causeway and Bells Line of Road<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-05-05 |title=Great Western Highway fix in sight almost 60 days after road shut |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-05/great-western-highway-solution/106641888 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | '''NSW Reconstruction Authority and the Community Coordination Taskforce''' | Coordinated communication between government, councils, industry and affected communities. | The taskforce gave councils, industry and community groups a clearer contact point during the disruption. Its role was narrower than Transport for NSW’s technical role, but it showed how unusual the closure was: the event did not fit neatly into normal disaster arrangements, while affected towns experienced it as a major regional disruption<ref>{{Cite journal |last=Authority |first=NSW Reconstruction |date=2026-03-19 |title=New Taskforce to coordinate support for Great Western Highway communities {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/new-taskforce-to-coordinate-support-for-great-western-highway-communities-0 |language=en-AU}}</ref>. |} == Timeline of events == {| class="wikitable" |+ Timeline of Victoria Pass (Convict Bridge) and 2026 Great Western Highway Events ! Period / Date !! Event !! Description |- | 1829–1833 || Planning, construction and early completion of Victoria Pass (Convict Bridge) || Surveyor-General Thomas Mitchell planned the western route over the Blue Mountains (1829–1830). Construction of Victoria Pass and associated sandstone structures, including the Convict Bridge, began in 1830 using convict labour. The route opened in 1832, providing a key connection between Sydney and the Central West. Final completion works and early repairs continued through 1832–1833 due to steep terrain, engineering constraints, and early structural challenges (NSW Government, n.d.)<ref>{{Cite web |title=Victoria Pass {{!}} Heritage NSW |url=https://apps.environment.nsw.gov.au/dpcheritageapp/ViewHeritageItemDetails.aspx?id=4301023 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=apps.environment.nsw.gov.au}}</ref>. |- | 1999 || Heritage listing || The Victoria Pass precinct, including the Convict Bridge area, was listed on the New South Wales State Heritage Register (NSW Government, n.d.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Heritage |url=https://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/topics/heritage |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Environment and Heritage |language=en}}</ref>). |- | Early March 2026 || Structural concerns identified || Cracking and instability were identified at the Victoria Pass section of the Great Western Highway (ABC, 2026)<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-19 |title=Highway closure not a 'natural' disaster, NSW government says |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-19/great-western-highway-taskforce/106471918 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | 19 March 2026 || Taskforce established || NSW Government established a multi-agency taskforce to manage response and disruption impacts (ABC, 2026)<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-19 |title=Highway closure not a 'natural' disaster, NSW government says |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-19/great-western-highway-taskforce/106471918 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | 25 March 2026 || Detour funding announced || A $50 million package was announced to upgrade key detour routes including Bells Line of Road, Chifley Road, and Darling Causeway (ABC, 2026<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-25 |title=$50m for Great Western Highway detour routes, as road remains 'unstable' |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-25/funding-to-maintain-detour-roads-in-great-western-highway/106495330 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>). |- | Late March 2026 || Highway closure || The affected section of the highway was closed due to escalating safety risks from structural instability. |- | 10 April 2026 || Geotechnical investigations || Investigations confirmed subsurface voids and significant ground instability beneath the roadway (ABC, 2026)<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-04-10 |title=Minister says there is no 'proper timetable' for reopening NSW highway |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-10/great-western-highway-geotechnical-study-shows-gaps-under-road/106549768 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | April 2026 || Monitoring phase || Ongoing monitoring and assessment of structural conditions continued while long-term solutions were evaluated. |- | 5 May 2026 || Engineering solutions shortlisted || Engineering options were shortlisted for detailed evaluation, progressing toward the design phase (ABC, 2026<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-05-05 |title=Great Western Highway fix in sight almost 60 days after road shut |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-05/great-western-highway-solution/106641888 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>). |} == Maps of locations == The Great Western Highway is a major transport corridor connecting Sydney to western New South Wales through the Blue Mountains. The failure occurred at Victoria Pass, a steep and historically significant section of the route. Key locations include Victoria Pass (failure point), Mitchell’s Causeway / Convict Bridge area (structural weakness zone), Bells Line of Road (northern detour), Chifley Road (southern detour), and Lithgow approaches (traffic redistribution routes) (ABC, 2026).<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-25 |title=$50m for Great Western Highway detour routes, as road remains 'unstable' |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-25/funding-to-maintain-detour-roads-in-great-western-highway/106495330 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref> Traffic has been diverted across these alternative routes, increasing congestion and travel times across the Blue Mountains corridor due to closure of the primary highway link. == Identification of policy issues == === Heritage Listing as Structural Lock-In === The NSW Heritage Act 1977 establishes the State Heritage Register and defines conditions under which listed assets may be altered. The heritage listing for Victoria Pass and Berghofers Pass includes exemptions only for specific works, including emergency stabilisation activities where a structure has been damaged and poses a safety risk. Everything below that threshold falls outside permissible intervention under normal conditions, including the urgently required structural reinforcement of a masonry retained embankment that has been overly exposed to loads beyond its structural capacity. The fundamental incompatibility between a rubble-filled sandstone embankment and 12,000 vehicles per day (including semi-trailer trucks) could not be easily addressed by Transport for NSW without interventions the listing prohibited. Heritage listing without a parallel structural compatibility assessment has converted the bridge from a living piece of infrastructure into a frozen liability. The asset must be preserved as-is while continuing to carry loads it cannot tolerate, with intervention only permitted after the point of failure. The NSW Government’s own geotechnical investigations confirmed that the 200-year-old fill had deteriorated significantly, creating voids and gaps throughout the substructure. It was even acknowledged that without enhanced monitoring installed in late 2025, the structure could have collapsed before defects were detected (NSW Government, 2026)<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-04-10 |title=Geotechnical data to inform long-term solution for Great Western Highway {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/geotechnical-data-to-inform-long-term-solution-for-great-western-highway |language=en-AU}}</ref>. That monitoring was installed three months before failure on a structure that had been carrying highway-grade traffic for over a century. It indicates that the asset management program was operating reactively rather than condition-based mode at this site. === The Substructure Monitoring Deficit === The deterioration of the site was not being tracked through substructure inspection. Enhanced monitoring was installed in December 2025, presenting as proactive stewardship in TfNSW’s public communications, but the fact that real-time structural monitoring was not in place on a known-risk heritage asset carrying primary freight traffic until three months before catastrophic failure indicates an inspection and asset management programme that had not matched its cadence to the risk profile of the structure. === The Announcement-Commitment Gap === The bypass tunnel cancellation is the most politically visible element of the state-level failure, but it sits within a longer pattern of interrupted commitment on the Great Western Highway that substantially predates the Minns government. A prime example of “strategic misrepresentation” in megaproject approval, where proponents deliberately underestimate costs and overestimate benefits to secure political commitment, knowing the commitment will not survive contact with delivery (Flyvberj, 2013)<ref name=":0">{{Cite web |last=Flyvbjerg |first=Bent |date=2013-03-20 |title=Survival of the Unfittest: Why the Worst Infrastructure Gets Built, And What We Can Do about It |url=https://arxiv.org/abs/1303.6571v1 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=arXiv.org |language=en |doi=10.48550/arXiv.1303.6571}}</ref>. Australian governments are prone to announcing projects they have no realistic intention of building within their term, generating regional goodwill at low political cost, while deferring the fiscal and delivery burden to successors who then cancel and repeat the cycle. Flyvbjerg identifies systematic problems in the development process, whereby proponents intentionally misrepresent information and deliberately disregard risks, instigating projects that result in fewer benefits and higher costs than promised (Flyvberj, 2013) <ref name=":0" />. The inverse also applies: announced projects that were always underfunded relative to delivery requirements. This is evident in the proposed twin-tunnel upgrade for the Great Western Highway. In the September 2023 state budget, the Minns government reallocated state funding commitments for the upgrade. In November 2023, the federal government confirmed it would also reallocate its funding commitment, redirecting it to other priorities (TfNSW, 2024) <ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2023-01-30 |title=Blackheath to Little Hartley Upgrade |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/node/19457 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.transport.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref>. The tunnels were formally cancelled in favour of softer commitments. The causeway failed six weeks later. The planning investment was sunk, but the corridor problem it was designed to solve remained. Transport for NSW ultimately paused all work on upgrades to the Great Western Highway between Katoomba and Lithgow, apart from the Medlow Bath and Coxs River Road upgrades, with state and federal funding commitments redirected to other projects (TfNSW, 2026) <ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2023-01-30 |title=Great Western Highway |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/node/19470 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.transport.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref>. === Metro Spending Bias === Sydney Metro alone comprised over a quarter of NSW’s total four-year infrastructure spend in the 2023–24 budget, at $24.9 billion over four years (Infrastructure Partnerships Australia, 2023) <ref>{{Cite web |last=https://www.tophamguerin.com |date=2023-12-18 |title=Australian Infrastructure Budget Monitor 2023-24 |url=https://infrastructure.org.au/policy-research/major-reports/australian-infrastructure-budget-monitor-2023-24/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Infrastructure Partnerships Australia |language=en-US}}</ref>. The bulk of NSW road funding was directed toward the Western Harbour Tunnel and Princes Highway Corridor. The same organisation went on to note that NSW may experience a deficit in the medium to long-term regional pipeline (Infrastructure Partnerships Australia, 2024) <ref>{{Cite web |last=https://www.tophamguerin.com |date=2024-10-24 |title=Australian Infrastructure Budget Monitor 2024-25 |url=https://infrastructure.org.au/policy-research/major-reports/australian-infrastructure-budget-monitor-2024-25/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Infrastructure Partnerships Australia |language=en-US}}</ref>. The Great Western Highway bypass, at a total project cost estimated at $12 billion over an eight-to-ten year build, was cancelled due to being ‘fiscally unachievable’ in the same budget environment that continued to fund cost overruns in the Greater Sydney metropolitan area. The Sydney Metro City and Southwest line alone exceeded its original budget by approximately $5.1 billion, yet an additional $1 billion in interim funding was allocated to the project. Metropolitan projects concentrate benefits in large, media-visible electorates, while regional corridor projects benefit smaller, dispersed populations. Successive budgets treated the Great Western Highway as a maintenance problem rather than a capital investment priority, while overruns in metro-context projects were absorbed without similar scrutiny. This asymmetry was flagged explicitly before the 2023 election, arguing that Labor’s stated intention to redirect Great Western Highway funding to Western Sydney infrastructure would leave the Central West without a safe and productive link to Sydney (Lachlan Shire Council, 2023) <ref>{{Cite web |title=Regional transport and roads could decide State Election |url=https://www.lachlan.nsw.gov.au/News-articles/Regional-transport-and-roads-could-decide-State-Election |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.lachlan.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref>. === Short-Termism and the Electoral Cycle === Major transport infrastructure in Australia runs on a 10–15 year development and delivery horizon. NSW state electoral terms run to four years. No government that announces a major regional infrastructure project opens it. The announcement is the political event; delivery is not. Political short-termism is formally defined in the literature as the systematic prioritisation of short-term net policy benefits over long-term outcomes, hindering policy investments that impose short-term costs on society to address long-term challenges (Ogami, 2024) <ref name=":1">{{Cite journal |last=Ogami |first=Masakazu |date=2024-05-02 |title=The Conditionality of Political Short‐Termism: A Review of Empirical and Experimental Studies |url=https://www.cogitatiopress.com/politicsandgovernance/article/view/7764 |journal=Politics and Governance |language=en |volume=12 |issue=0 |doi=10.17645/pag.7764 |issn=2183-2463}}</ref>. Infrastructure costs are immediate, visible, and attributable; benefits are diffuse, delayed, and frequently credited to successors. The short-term actor announces rather than builds, the incoming government cancels an adversary’s political monument. Contributing traits such as short electoral cycles, voters’ discounting of future policy benefits, and partisanship are particularly acute in the Australian context of short electoral terms and adversarial two-party politics (Ogami, 2024) <ref name=":1" />. There is no institutional obligation on a NSW government to honour prior infrastructure commitments not yet under contract. Independent authorities have no more than advisory power over infrastructure pipelines. Infrastructure NSW and Infrastructure Australia can recommend and prioritise, but not prevent the government from redirecting committed funding upon taking office. === Heritage-Infrastructure Compatibility Framework === The heritage listing at Victoria Pass was the correct cultural heritage decision. However, the systematic framework for assessing and managing compatibility and longevity of heritage-listed infrastructures continues to be absent. The NSW Heritage Act 1977 and its associated guidelines do not require ongoing assessment of whether a listed asset’s structural characteristics remain compatible with the loads placed upon it, or mandate intervention thresholds short of emergency conditions. The NSW State Infrastructure Strategy 2018–2038 recommended introducing an asset management policy with a new assurance model, but its focus was on capital growth and network efficiency, with no meaningful attention on infrastructure compatibility (Affan, 2019) <ref>{{Cite journal |last=Affan |first=Rami |date=10 June, 2019 |title=Getting asset management right: a new framework |url=https://127.0.0.1/getting-asset-management-right-a-new-framework/ |journal=Infrastructure Journal}}</ref>. The gap is not owned by a single agency: Heritage NSW administers the listing conditions; Transport for NSW manages the asset; Treasury funds maintenance allocations. All of which are not required to jointly assess whether a heritage listing, a loading profile, and a maintenance budget are mutually compatible over time. === The Procurement Model and Policy Continuity === Love et. al. argue that the traditional procurement model used by Australian state governments fails to deliver expected benefits for large-scale transport projects, and that a focused policy-making pathway is largely absent. Especially in future-proofing complex infrastructure assets against unanticipated changes in load, use, or structural condition (Love et. al., 2021) <ref>{{Cite journal |date=2021-12-01 |title=A procurement policy-making pathway to future-proof large-scale transport infrastructure assets |url=https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S073988592100041X |journal=Research in Transportation Economics |language=en-US |volume=90 |pages=101069 |doi=10.1016/j.retrec.2021.101069 |issn=0739-8859}}</ref>. The structural consequence is that major transport assets are managed transactionally, without a long-horizon framework for assessing when a structure has moved beyond the envelope of maintainability and requires replacement or bypass. Mitchell’s Causeway is the reductio ad absurdum of this model: a structure well past its design life, carrying loads it was never intended for, preserved by heritage listing from the interventions that would have resolved the incompatibility, and sustained by a maintenance programme that could not address what the listing prevented. Politicisation, inconsistent engagement, and short-termism undermine public trust, and erode reform capability in Australian infrastructure governance. These barriers are embedded in the institutional design of the system, not attributable to the decisions of particular governments (ANU, 2025) <ref>{{Cite web |title=Strengthening Australia's capacity for policy reform {{!}} ANU Institute for Infrastructure in Society |url=https://infrastructure.anu.edu.au/strengthening-australias-capacity-policy-reform |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=infrastructure.anu.edu.au}}</ref>. == Narrative of the case == The Convict Bridge, also known as Mitchell’s Causeway, highlights a classic infrastructure paradox: a historically significant asset continues to perform a modern, high-demand transport function long after its design life has expired. Built in 1832 under the supervision of Major Thomas Mitchell<ref>{{Citation |title=Mitchell's Causeway |date=2026-05-20 |url=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mitchell%27s_Causeway&oldid=1355157766 |work=Wikipedia |access-date=2026-05-23 |language=en}}</ref>, during the colonial era using convict labor, the bridge is one of Australia’s earliest and most significant transport assets. For almost two centuries, it has played a vital role in connecting communities across the Blue Mountains and supporting movement between Sydney and inland New South Wales. The structure itself was an engineering achievement for its time. Rather than a conventional bridge, Mitchell’s Causeway was designed as a massive sandstone retaining embankment built across a natural depression between escarpment outcrops. Convict laborers manually quarried sandstone, constructed retaining walls, and filled the interior with rubble and earth to create a level transport platform. Some of the original convict engravings remain visible on the sandstone blocks today, reinforcing the site’s cultural and historical significance. At the time of its heritage listing, the structure was recognized as one of the few substantial surviving stone causeways from the early colonial era in New South Wales<ref>{{Citation |title=Mitchell's Causeway |date=2026-05-20 |url=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mitchell%27s_Causeway&oldid=1355157766 |work=Wikipedia |access-date=2026-05-23 |language=en}}</ref> . Over time, the bridge became an essential transport link within the regional road network. However, its original design was never intended to accommodate the heavy traffic volumes and vehicle loads associated with contemporary transport systems. The bridge later became integrated into the Great Western Highway network as motor vehicle ownership increased during the twentieth century. As decades passed, increasing pressure placed stress on the sandstone retaining walls and the underlying structure. Although engineers had identified signs of deterioration in earlier years, intervention was limited due to heritage restrictions and funding priorities. As a result, most works focused on surface-level upgrades rather than major structural improvements. Eventually, geotechnical instability emerged, with reports identifying movement in retaining walls and buttresses<ref>{{Cite web |title= |url=https://www.nationaltrust.org.au/conservation-landscape-mitchells-causeway/? |access-date= |website=}}</ref> . Concerns intensified in late 2025 when local stakeholders warned that the bridge could potentially fail under modern loading conditions. Despite these warnings, immediate policy action was limited. Instead, authorities relied primarily on monitoring technologies, reflecting a reactive rather than preventative approach to infrastructure management<ref>{{Cite journal |last= |first= |date= |title=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-10/great-western-highway-convict-bridge-closed/106432242 |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-10/great-western-highway-convict-bridge-closed/106432242 |journal= |language=en-AU}}</ref> . The situation escalated on 5 March 2026 when Transport for NSW identified defects in the road surface of Mitchell’s Causeway. Initial investigations revealed movement within the structure, leading authorities to close the eastbound lane while geotechnical monitoring commenced. However, within days, additional stress fractures and visible cracking appeared across the roadway surface, indicating that the problem extended beyond superficial pavement damage. On 8 March 2026, the bridge was fully closed to all traffic, including emergency services, due to fears of major structural instability. The closure immediately disrupted a major transport corridor used by approximately 12,000 people daily and forced motorists and freight operators to take lengthy detours<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-13 |title=“We will not risk lives”: Extra rail and transport services to be rolled out as Great Western Highway closure to remain in place for at least three months {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. The closure immediately exposed the vulnerability of regional transport connectivity in New South Wales. With Victoria Pass shut, traffic was diverted through alternative routes such as Darling Causeway and Bells Line of Road. These detour routes were not designed to accommodate the redirected freight volumes and experienced substantial congestion, safety risks, and increased travel times.. Communities across Lithgow, Mount Victoria, and the Central West experienced longer travel times, economic impacts, and reduced accessibility, while freight transport became less efficient and more expensive<ref>{{Cite news |last=Buckley |first=Penry |last2=Larkin |first2=Jack |date=2026-03-13 |title=A key Blue Mountains road closure is blowing out travel times – and causing ‘red hot anger’ among locals |language=en-GB |work=The Guardian |url=https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2026/mar/14/blue-mountains-road-convict-bridge-closure-nsw-travel |access-date=2026-05-22 |issn=0261-3077}}</ref> . Importantly, the incident demonstrated how vulnerable regional transport systems in New South Wales can become when they depend heavily on a single piece of infrastructure. Alternative routes, including the Bells Line of Road, were not designed to accommodate the sudden increase in redirected freight and traffic volumes, creating additional congestion and safety concerns<ref>{{Cite web |title=Client Challenge |url=https://www.hawkesburygazette.com/victoria-pass-closure-sends-shockwaves-along-blor-to-richmond-and-beyond/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.hawkesburygazette.com}}</ref>. The closure also generated broader public debate about infrastructure resilience and government planning. Critics argued that authorities had relied too heavily on reactive management approaches rather than proactive infrastructure renewal. While Transport for NSW rapidly deployed monitoring systems, commissioned geotechnical investigations, and introduced additional public transport services, these responses primarily addressed the immediate operational consequences rather than the underlying structural problems. From a governance perspective, the response further underscores systemic weaknesses. While the NSW Government implemented short-term mitigation measures for example increased public transport services—these actions addressed symptoms rather than underlying causes. Following the closure, the NSW Government initiated an accelerated engineering procurement process to identify possible repair or replacement solutions. Engineering firms from Australia and overseas were invited to submit proposals aimed at restoring the corridor while preserving heritage considerations. Government agencies acknowledged that any future solution would likely involve substantial reconstruction and modern reinforcement to meet current transport demands and resilience standards <ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-05-05 |title=Great Western Highway fix in sight almost 60 days after road shut |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-05/great-western-highway-solution/106641888 |access-date=2026-05-23}}</ref>. The urgency of post-failure engineering procurement highlights how crisis conditions often accelerate decision-making that had been deferred under normal circumstances<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-13 |title=“We will not risk lives”: Extra rail and transport services to be rolled out as Great Western Highway closure to remain in place for at least three months {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Ultimately, the Convict Bridge case reflects a wider issue in infrastructure planning and asset management: the disconnect between long-term infrastructure needs and short-term political, financial, and policy constraints. Rather than being an unexpected failure, closure can be understood as the result of years of deferred intervention, competing priorities between heritage preservation and operational performance, and limited proactive investment in resilient transport infrastructure. ==Discussion Questions== 1: Is the announcement-commitment gap a failure of political will, or an inevitable product of democratic institutional design? 2: Did the heritage listing of Victoria Pass serve the public interest, or did it subordinate infrastructure safety to cultural preservation in a way that was never transparently debated? 3: Existing Cost-Benefit Analysis process justifies projects based on actual usage and density, which is naturally unfavorable for infrastructure funding in regional and remote areas, how can we close this gap? 4: The causeway’s failure was physically gradual but politically sudden, and it can be traced back to the absence of political accountability. What measures can be put in place in the existing decision making framework that will meaningfully mitigate this? ==Further reading== '''1. Transport for NSW. (2023). ''Crossing the Blue Mountains: The Great Western Road'''''<ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport |title=Crossing the Blue Mountains |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/system/files/media/documents/2023/crossing_the_blue_mountains_the_great_western_road.pdf}}</ref> '''.''' Official NSW Government historical report on the development of transport infrastructure across the Blue Mountains. '''2. Project Gutenberg Australia. ''Three Expeditions into the Interior of Eastern Australia – Thomas Mitchell''''' <ref>{{Cite web |title=Three Expeditions into the Interior V2 |url=https://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks/e00036.html |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=gutenberg.net.au}}</ref>'''.''' Historical primary source documenting early colonial exploration and road development. 3. '''Sydney to Central West Corridors White Paper (Transport for NSW)'''<ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2025-12-03 |title=Sydney to Central West Corridors White Paper |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/node/31741 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.transport.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref> A strategic planning document assessing capacity, safety, and resilience challenges along the Great Western Highway and alternative routes. 4. '''Australia’s Longest Road Tunnel Proposal – Blue Mountains'''<ref>{{Cite web |last=Walker |first=Nicole |date=2022-05-23 |title=Australia's longest road tunnel through Blue Mountains |url=https://concreteinstitute.com.au/australias-longest-road-tunnel-through-blue-mountains/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Concrete Institute of Australia |language=en-AU}}</ref> Discusses proposed large-scale infrastructure solutions to improve safety, reduce travel times, and increase resilience. 5. 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Known locally as the Convict Bridge, the causeway carries the Great Western Highway between Little Hartley and Mount Victoria, where around 12,000 vehicles normally passed each day <ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-05-05 |title=Great Western Highway fix in sight almost 60 days after road shut |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-05/great-western-highway-solution/106641888 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. Once the road closed, that traffic had to move through longer and less suitable mountain detours. The problem was not just that an old bridge cracked. More uncomfortable is the fact that this old bridge was still doing the job of a modern strategic road. Mitchell's Causeway is historically valuable because it remains a rare example of colonial road engineering. Heritage NSW records that the Victoria Pass Causeway was built between 1829 and 1832 and has retained much of its original form and fabric<ref>{{Cite web |title=Victoria Pass {{!}} Heritage NSW |url=https://apps.environment.nsw.gov.au/dpcheritageapp/ViewHeritageItemDetails.aspx?ID=4301023 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=apps.environment.nsw.gov.au}}</ref>. That heritage value matters, but it also makes the present-day transport problem harder. A normal road asset can be rebuilt with fewer constraints; a convict-built causeway on the State Heritage Register cannot be treated so casually. Safety, heritage and traffic function all sit on the same narrow piece of road. By April, geotechnical work had confirmed that the issue was deeper than surface pavement damage. Minister Jenny Aitchison said the fill underneath the road had deteriorated and that there were "voids and gaps" within the causeway structure<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-04-10 |title=Minister says there is no 'proper timetable' for reopening NSW highway |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-10/great-western-highway-geotechnical-study-shows-gaps-under-road/106549768 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. Earlier warning signs also matter here. ABC reported that local business groups had raised concerns about the safety and durability of the Convict Bridge before the closure, while broader corridor planning had already identified reliability problems at Victoria Pass<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-10 |title=Government warned now-closed 'horse and cart' Convict Bridge unfit for modern traffic |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-10/great-western-highway-convict-bridge-closed/106432242 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. In other words, the shutdown did not come from nowhere. Official advice suggested that the Darling Causeway and Bells Line of Road detour could add up to 25 minutes to a Blue Mountains crossing<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-13 |title=“We will not risk lives”: Extra rail and transport services to be rolled out as Great Western Highway closure to remain in place for at least three months {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. That figure is tidy, but real life was not. For a person making one flexible trip, 25 minutes may be manageable. For students, workers, freight drivers, medical trips and small businesses relying on passing traffic, the cost was repeated every day. The detour became part of people's routines, not just a line in a traffic update. The state moved quickly once the road was closed. Extra rail, coach and school bus services followed, agencies formed an incident management team, and the government committed A$50 million to improving detour routes such as Darling Causeway, Chifley Road and Lithgow Main Street<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-25 |title=Minns Government commits $50 million to strengthen detour routes during Great Western Highway closure {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/minns-government-commits-50-million-to-strengthen-detour-routes-during-great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Later, Transport for NSW received ten engineering submissions and shortlisted consortia led by Seymour Whyte and Gamuda to develop repair options<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-05-13 |title=Two engineering solutions shortlisted to restore Great Western Highway at Victoria Pass {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/victoria-pass-engineering-solutions-shortlisted |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Those responses were necessary. Yet their timing is hard to ignore: the detour network became urgent only after the main route had already failed. In short, this is less a heritage repair problem than a failure of transport resilience: a known vulnerable link lacked a robust fallback before it failed. The road can eventually reopen, but reopening alone will not explain why that fallback was missing. == Annotated list of factors == {| class="wikitable" ! Actor / Stakeholder group ! Role in the case ! Main interests, concerns and policy relevance |- | '''Transport for NSW, engineers and heritage specialists''' | Led the operational response, including road closure, monitoring, detours and technical assessment. | Transport for NSW had to prioritise public safety once movement was detected at Mitchell’s Causeway. The closure itself was difficult to dispute, but the harder issue sits before the closure: whether the agency had clear enough trigger points for earlier intervention, especially after local concerns about the bridge’s safety had already been raised(Heritage NSW, n.d.). |- | '''Heritage NSW and conservation interests''' | Defined the heritage value of Victoria Pass Causeway and shaped the limits of repair. | Heritage NSW gives the site its historical weight. The causeway matters because much of its colonial engineering remains legible, but that is exactly what complicates repair. Current policy protects the heritage asset, yet it does not clearly answer how that asset should function when it is still part of a freight and commuter route (Heritage NSW, n.d.). |- | '''NSW Government, Minister Jenny Aitchison and the repair decision''' | Managed the political response, public messaging, funding and repair procurement. | The government’s safety-first message was reasonable, but it also narrowed the public conversation. Once the issue was framed mainly as “do not risk lives,” less attention was given to why a known fragile cross-mountain link had no pre-prepared detour capacity strong enough to absorb the failure. The repair decision also has to balance speed, durability, cost, heritage approval and political pressure<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-05-13 |title=Two engineering solutions shortlisted to restore Great Western Highway at Victoria Pass {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/victoria-pass-engineering-solutions-shortlisted |language=en-AU}}</ref>. |- | '''Those who carried the cost: communities, businesses, councils and freight''' | Experienced the practical impacts of the closure on daily travel, local trade and freight movement. | The closure landed unevenly. Local councils had to manage congestion and road wear even though the highway was a state responsibility<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-25 |title=Minns Government commits $50 million to strengthen detour routes during Great Western Highway closure {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/minns-government-commits-50-million-to-strengthen-detour-routes-during-great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Families faced longer school and work trips. Businesses lost customers who used to arrive because the highway brought them past the front door. Freight users were pushed onto less suitable routes through Lithgow, Chifley Road, Darling Causeway and Bells Line of Road<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-05-05 |title=Great Western Highway fix in sight almost 60 days after road shut |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-05/great-western-highway-solution/106641888 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | '''NSW Reconstruction Authority and the Community Coordination Taskforce''' | Coordinated communication between government, councils, industry and affected communities. | The taskforce gave councils, industry and community groups a clearer contact point during the disruption. Its role was narrower than Transport for NSW’s technical role, but it showed how unusual the closure was: the event did not fit neatly into normal disaster arrangements, while affected towns experienced it as a major regional disruption<ref>{{Cite journal |last=Authority |first=NSW Reconstruction |date=2026-03-19 |title=New Taskforce to coordinate support for Great Western Highway communities {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/new-taskforce-to-coordinate-support-for-great-western-highway-communities-0 |language=en-AU}}</ref>. |} == Timeline of events == {| class="wikitable" |+ Timeline of Victoria Pass (Convict Bridge) and 2026 Great Western Highway Events ! Period / Date !! Event !! Description |- | 1829–1833 || Planning, construction and early completion of Victoria Pass (Convict Bridge) || Surveyor-General Thomas Mitchell planned the western route over the Blue Mountains (1829–1830). Construction of Victoria Pass and associated sandstone structures, including the Convict Bridge, began in 1830 using convict labour. The route opened in 1832, providing a key connection between Sydney and the Central West. Final completion works and early repairs continued through 1832–1833 due to steep terrain, engineering constraints, and early structural challenges (NSW Government, n.d.)<ref>{{Cite web |title=Victoria Pass {{!}} Heritage NSW |url=https://apps.environment.nsw.gov.au/dpcheritageapp/ViewHeritageItemDetails.aspx?id=4301023 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=apps.environment.nsw.gov.au}}</ref>. |- | 1999 || Heritage listing || The Victoria Pass precinct, including the Convict Bridge area, was listed on the New South Wales State Heritage Register (NSW Government, n.d.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Heritage |url=https://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/topics/heritage |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Environment and Heritage |language=en}}</ref>). |- | Early March 2026 || Structural concerns identified || Cracking and instability were identified at the Victoria Pass section of the Great Western Highway (ABC, 2026)<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-19 |title=Highway closure not a 'natural' disaster, NSW government says |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-19/great-western-highway-taskforce/106471918 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | 19 March 2026 || Taskforce established || NSW Government established a multi-agency taskforce to manage response and disruption impacts (ABC, 2026)<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-19 |title=Highway closure not a 'natural' disaster, NSW government says |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-19/great-western-highway-taskforce/106471918 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | 25 March 2026 || Detour funding announced || A $50 million package was announced to upgrade key detour routes including Bells Line of Road, Chifley Road, and Darling Causeway (ABC, 2026<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-25 |title=$50m for Great Western Highway detour routes, as road remains 'unstable' |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-25/funding-to-maintain-detour-roads-in-great-western-highway/106495330 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>). |- | Late March 2026 || Highway closure || The affected section of the highway was closed due to escalating safety risks from structural instability. |- | 10 April 2026 || Geotechnical investigations || Investigations confirmed subsurface voids and significant ground instability beneath the roadway (ABC, 2026)<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-04-10 |title=Minister says there is no 'proper timetable' for reopening NSW highway |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-10/great-western-highway-geotechnical-study-shows-gaps-under-road/106549768 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | April 2026 || Monitoring phase || Ongoing monitoring and assessment of structural conditions continued while long-term solutions were evaluated. |- | 5 May 2026 || Engineering solutions shortlisted || Engineering options were shortlisted for detailed evaluation, progressing toward the design phase (ABC, 2026<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-05-05 |title=Great Western Highway fix in sight almost 60 days after road shut |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-05/great-western-highway-solution/106641888 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>). |} == Maps of locations == The Great Western Highway is a major transport corridor connecting Sydney to western New South Wales through the Blue Mountains. The failure occurred at Victoria Pass, a steep and historically significant section of the route. Key locations include Victoria Pass (failure point), Mitchell’s Causeway / Convict Bridge area (structural weakness zone), Bells Line of Road (northern detour), Chifley Road (southern detour), and Lithgow approaches (traffic redistribution routes) (ABC, 2026).<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-25 |title=$50m for Great Western Highway detour routes, as road remains 'unstable' |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-25/funding-to-maintain-detour-roads-in-great-western-highway/106495330 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref> Traffic has been diverted across these alternative routes, increasing congestion and travel times across the Blue Mountains corridor due to closure of the primary highway link. == Identification of policy issues == === Heritage Listing as Structural Lock-In === The NSW Heritage Act 1977 establishes the State Heritage Register and defines conditions under which listed assets may be altered. The heritage listing for Victoria Pass and Berghofers Pass includes exemptions only for specific works, including emergency stabilisation activities where a structure has been damaged and poses a safety risk. Everything below that threshold falls outside permissible intervention under normal conditions, including the urgently required structural reinforcement of a masonry retained embankment that has been overly exposed to loads beyond its structural capacity. The fundamental incompatibility between a rubble-filled sandstone embankment and 12,000 vehicles per day (including semi-trailer trucks) could not be easily addressed by Transport for NSW without interventions the listing prohibited. Heritage listing without a parallel structural compatibility assessment has converted the bridge from a living piece of infrastructure into a frozen liability. The asset must be preserved as-is while continuing to carry loads it cannot tolerate, with intervention only permitted after the point of failure. The NSW Government’s own geotechnical investigations confirmed that the 200-year-old fill had deteriorated significantly, creating voids and gaps throughout the substructure. It was even acknowledged that without enhanced monitoring installed in late 2025, the structure could have collapsed before defects were detected (NSW Government, 2026)<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-04-10 |title=Geotechnical data to inform long-term solution for Great Western Highway {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/geotechnical-data-to-inform-long-term-solution-for-great-western-highway |language=en-AU}}</ref>. That monitoring was installed three months before failure on a structure that had been carrying highway-grade traffic for over a century. It indicates that the asset management program was operating reactively rather than condition-based mode at this site. === The Substructure Monitoring Deficit === The deterioration of the site was not being tracked through substructure inspection. Enhanced monitoring was installed in December 2025, presenting as proactive stewardship in TfNSW’s public communications, but the fact that real-time structural monitoring was not in place on a known-risk heritage asset carrying primary freight traffic until three months before catastrophic failure indicates an inspection and asset management programme that had not matched its cadence to the risk profile of the structure. === The Announcement-Commitment Gap === The bypass tunnel cancellation is the most politically visible element of the state-level failure, but it sits within a longer pattern of interrupted commitment on the Great Western Highway that substantially predates the Minns government. A prime example of “strategic misrepresentation” in megaproject approval, where proponents deliberately underestimate costs and overestimate benefits to secure political commitment, knowing the commitment will not survive contact with delivery (Flyvberj, 2013)<ref name=":0">{{Cite web |last=Flyvbjerg |first=Bent |date=2013-03-20 |title=Survival of the Unfittest: Why the Worst Infrastructure Gets Built, And What We Can Do about It |url=https://arxiv.org/abs/1303.6571v1 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=arXiv.org |language=en |doi=10.48550/arXiv.1303.6571}}</ref>. Australian governments are prone to announcing projects they have no realistic intention of building within their term, generating regional goodwill at low political cost, while deferring the fiscal and delivery burden to successors who then cancel and repeat the cycle. Flyvbjerg identifies systematic problems in the development process, whereby proponents intentionally misrepresent information and deliberately disregard risks, instigating projects that result in fewer benefits and higher costs than promised (Flyvberj, 2013) <ref name=":0" />. The inverse also applies: announced projects that were always underfunded relative to delivery requirements. This is evident in the proposed twin-tunnel upgrade for the Great Western Highway. In the September 2023 state budget, the Minns government reallocated state funding commitments for the upgrade. In November 2023, the federal government confirmed it would also reallocate its funding commitment, redirecting it to other priorities (TfNSW, 2024) <ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2023-01-30 |title=Blackheath to Little Hartley Upgrade |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/node/19457 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.transport.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref>. The tunnels were formally cancelled in favour of softer commitments. The causeway failed six weeks later. The planning investment was sunk, but the corridor problem it was designed to solve remained. Transport for NSW ultimately paused all work on upgrades to the Great Western Highway between Katoomba and Lithgow, apart from the Medlow Bath and Coxs River Road upgrades, with state and federal funding commitments redirected to other projects (TfNSW, 2026) <ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2023-01-30 |title=Great Western Highway |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/node/19470 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.transport.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref>. === Metro Spending Bias === Sydney Metro alone comprised over a quarter of NSW’s total four-year infrastructure spend in the 2023–24 budget, at $24.9 billion over four years (Infrastructure Partnerships Australia, 2023) <ref>{{Cite web |last=https://www.tophamguerin.com |date=2023-12-18 |title=Australian Infrastructure Budget Monitor 2023-24 |url=https://infrastructure.org.au/policy-research/major-reports/australian-infrastructure-budget-monitor-2023-24/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Infrastructure Partnerships Australia |language=en-US}}</ref>. The bulk of NSW road funding was directed toward the Western Harbour Tunnel and Princes Highway Corridor. The same organisation went on to note that NSW may experience a deficit in the medium to long-term regional pipeline (Infrastructure Partnerships Australia, 2024) <ref>{{Cite web |last=https://www.tophamguerin.com |date=2024-10-24 |title=Australian Infrastructure Budget Monitor 2024-25 |url=https://infrastructure.org.au/policy-research/major-reports/australian-infrastructure-budget-monitor-2024-25/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Infrastructure Partnerships Australia |language=en-US}}</ref>. The Great Western Highway bypass, at a total project cost estimated at $12 billion over an eight-to-ten year build, was cancelled due to being ‘fiscally unachievable’ in the same budget environment that continued to fund cost overruns in the Greater Sydney metropolitan area. The Sydney Metro City and Southwest line alone exceeded its original budget by approximately $5.1 billion, yet an additional $1 billion in interim funding was allocated to the project. Metropolitan projects concentrate benefits in large, media-visible electorates, while regional corridor projects benefit smaller, dispersed populations. Successive budgets treated the Great Western Highway as a maintenance problem rather than a capital investment priority, while overruns in metro-context projects were absorbed without similar scrutiny. This asymmetry was flagged explicitly before the 2023 election, arguing that Labor’s stated intention to redirect Great Western Highway funding to Western Sydney infrastructure would leave the Central West without a safe and productive link to Sydney (Lachlan Shire Council, 2023) <ref>{{Cite web |title=Regional transport and roads could decide State Election |url=https://www.lachlan.nsw.gov.au/News-articles/Regional-transport-and-roads-could-decide-State-Election |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.lachlan.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref>. === Short-Termism and the Electoral Cycle === Major transport infrastructure in Australia runs on a 10–15 year development and delivery horizon. NSW state electoral terms run to four years. No government that announces a major regional infrastructure project opens it. The announcement is the political event; delivery is not. Political short-termism is formally defined in the literature as the systematic prioritisation of short-term net policy benefits over long-term outcomes, hindering policy investments that impose short-term costs on society to address long-term challenges (Ogami, 2024) <ref name=":1">{{Cite journal |last=Ogami |first=Masakazu |date=2024-05-02 |title=The Conditionality of Political Short‐Termism: A Review of Empirical and Experimental Studies |url=https://www.cogitatiopress.com/politicsandgovernance/article/view/7764 |journal=Politics and Governance |language=en |volume=12 |issue=0 |doi=10.17645/pag.7764 |issn=2183-2463}}</ref>. Infrastructure costs are immediate, visible, and attributable; benefits are diffuse, delayed, and frequently credited to successors. The short-term actor announces rather than builds, the incoming government cancels an adversary’s political monument. Contributing traits such as short electoral cycles, voters’ discounting of future policy benefits, and partisanship are particularly acute in the Australian context of short electoral terms and adversarial two-party politics (Ogami, 2024) <ref name=":1" />. There is no institutional obligation on a NSW government to honour prior infrastructure commitments not yet under contract. Independent authorities have no more than advisory power over infrastructure pipelines. Infrastructure NSW and Infrastructure Australia can recommend and prioritise, but not prevent the government from redirecting committed funding upon taking office. === Heritage-Infrastructure Compatibility Framework === The heritage listing at Victoria Pass was the correct cultural heritage decision. However, the systematic framework for assessing and managing compatibility and longevity of heritage-listed infrastructures continues to be absent. The NSW Heritage Act 1977 and its associated guidelines do not require ongoing assessment of whether a listed asset’s structural characteristics remain compatible with the loads placed upon it, or mandate intervention thresholds short of emergency conditions. The NSW State Infrastructure Strategy 2018–2038 recommended introducing an asset management policy with a new assurance model, but its focus was on capital growth and network efficiency, with no meaningful attention on infrastructure compatibility (Affan, 2019) <ref>{{Cite journal |last=Affan |first=Rami |date=10 June, 2019 |title=Getting asset management right: a new framework |url=https://127.0.0.1/getting-asset-management-right-a-new-framework/ |journal=Infrastructure Journal}}</ref>. The gap is not owned by a single agency: Heritage NSW administers the listing conditions; Transport for NSW manages the asset; Treasury funds maintenance allocations. All of which are not required to jointly assess whether a heritage listing, a loading profile, and a maintenance budget are mutually compatible over time. === The Procurement Model and Policy Continuity === Love et. al. argue that the traditional procurement model used by Australian state governments fails to deliver expected benefits for large-scale transport projects, and that a focused policy-making pathway is largely absent. Especially in future-proofing complex infrastructure assets against unanticipated changes in load, use, or structural condition (Love et. al., 2021) <ref>{{Cite journal |date=2021-12-01 |title=A procurement policy-making pathway to future-proof large-scale transport infrastructure assets |url=https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S073988592100041X |journal=Research in Transportation Economics |language=en-US |volume=90 |pages=101069 |doi=10.1016/j.retrec.2021.101069 |issn=0739-8859}}</ref>. The structural consequence is that major transport assets are managed transactionally, without a long-horizon framework for assessing when a structure has moved beyond the envelope of maintainability and requires replacement or bypass. Mitchell’s Causeway is the reductio ad absurdum of this model: a structure well past its design life, carrying loads it was never intended for, preserved by heritage listing from the interventions that would have resolved the incompatibility, and sustained by a maintenance programme that could not address what the listing prevented. Politicisation, inconsistent engagement, and short-termism undermine public trust, and erode reform capability in Australian infrastructure governance. These barriers are embedded in the institutional design of the system, not attributable to the decisions of particular governments (ANU, 2025) <ref>{{Cite web |title=Strengthening Australia's capacity for policy reform {{!}} ANU Institute for Infrastructure in Society |url=https://infrastructure.anu.edu.au/strengthening-australias-capacity-policy-reform |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=infrastructure.anu.edu.au}}</ref>. == Narrative of the case == The Convict Bridge, also known as Mitchell’s Causeway, highlights a classic infrastructure paradox: a historically significant asset continues to perform a modern, high-demand transport function long after its design life has expired. Built in 1832 under the supervision of Major Thomas Mitchell<ref>{{Citation |title=Mitchell's Causeway |date=2026-05-20 |url=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mitchell%27s_Causeway&oldid=1355157766 |work=Wikipedia |access-date=2026-05-23 |language=en}}</ref>, during the colonial era using convict labor, the bridge is one of Australia’s earliest and most significant transport assets. For almost two centuries, it has played a vital role in connecting communities across the Blue Mountains and supporting movement between Sydney and inland New South Wales. The structure itself was an engineering achievement for its time. Rather than a conventional bridge, Mitchell’s Causeway was designed as a massive sandstone retaining embankment built across a natural depression between escarpment outcrops. Convict laborers manually quarried sandstone, constructed retaining walls, and filled the interior with rubble and earth to create a level transport platform. Some of the original convict engravings remain visible on the sandstone blocks today, reinforcing the site’s cultural and historical significance. At the time of its heritage listing, the structure was recognized as one of the few substantial surviving stone causeways from the early colonial era in New South Wales<ref>{{Citation |title=Mitchell's Causeway |date=2026-05-20 |url=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mitchell%27s_Causeway&oldid=1355157766 |work=Wikipedia |access-date=2026-05-23 |language=en}}</ref> . Over time, the bridge became an essential transport link within the regional road network. However, its original design was never intended to accommodate the heavy traffic volumes and vehicle loads associated with contemporary transport systems. The bridge later became integrated into the Great Western Highway network as motor vehicle ownership increased during the twentieth century. As decades passed, increasing pressure placed stress on the sandstone retaining walls and the underlying structure. Although engineers had identified signs of deterioration in earlier years, intervention was limited due to heritage restrictions and funding priorities. As a result, most works focused on surface-level upgrades rather than major structural improvements. Eventually, geotechnical instability emerged, with reports identifying movement in retaining walls and buttresses<ref>{{Cite web |title= |url=https://www.nationaltrust.org.au/conservation-landscape-mitchells-causeway/? |access-date= |website=}}</ref> . Concerns intensified in late 2025 when local stakeholders warned that the bridge could potentially fail under modern loading conditions. Despite these warnings, immediate policy action was limited. Instead, authorities relied primarily on monitoring technologies, reflecting a reactive rather than preventative approach to infrastructure management<ref>{{Cite journal |last= |first= |date= |title=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-10/great-western-highway-convict-bridge-closed/106432242 |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-10/great-western-highway-convict-bridge-closed/106432242 |journal= |language=en-AU}}</ref> . The situation escalated on 5 March 2026 when Transport for NSW identified defects in the road surface of Mitchell’s Causeway. Initial investigations revealed movement within the structure, leading authorities to close the eastbound lane while geotechnical monitoring commenced. However, within days, additional stress fractures and visible cracking appeared across the roadway surface, indicating that the problem extended beyond superficial pavement damage. On 8 March 2026, the bridge was fully closed to all traffic, including emergency services, due to fears of major structural instability. The closure immediately disrupted a major transport corridor used by approximately 12,000 people daily and forced motorists and freight operators to take lengthy detours<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-13 |title=“We will not risk lives”: Extra rail and transport services to be rolled out as Great Western Highway closure to remain in place for at least three months {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. The closure immediately exposed the vulnerability of regional transport connectivity in New South Wales. With Victoria Pass shut, traffic was diverted through alternative routes such as Darling Causeway and Bells Line of Road. These detour routes were not designed to accommodate the redirected freight volumes and experienced substantial congestion, safety risks, and increased travel times.. Communities across Lithgow, Mount Victoria, and the Central West experienced longer travel times, economic impacts, and reduced accessibility, while freight transport became less efficient and more expensive<ref>{{Cite news |last=Buckley |first=Penry |last2=Larkin |first2=Jack |date=2026-03-13 |title=A key Blue Mountains road closure is blowing out travel times – and causing ‘red hot anger’ among locals |language=en-GB |work=The Guardian |url=https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2026/mar/14/blue-mountains-road-convict-bridge-closure-nsw-travel |access-date=2026-05-22 |issn=0261-3077}}</ref> . Importantly, the incident demonstrated how vulnerable regional transport systems in New South Wales can become when they depend heavily on a single piece of infrastructure. Alternative routes, including the Bells Line of Road, were not designed to accommodate the sudden increase in redirected freight and traffic volumes, creating additional congestion and safety concerns<ref>{{Cite web |title=Client Challenge |url=https://www.hawkesburygazette.com/victoria-pass-closure-sends-shockwaves-along-blor-to-richmond-and-beyond/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.hawkesburygazette.com}}</ref>. The closure also generated broader public debate about infrastructure resilience and government planning. Critics argued that authorities had relied too heavily on reactive management approaches rather than proactive infrastructure renewal. While Transport for NSW rapidly deployed monitoring systems, commissioned geotechnical investigations, and introduced additional public transport services, these responses primarily addressed the immediate operational consequences rather than the underlying structural problems. From a governance perspective, the response further underscores systemic weaknesses. While the NSW Government implemented short-term mitigation measures for example increased public transport services—these actions addressed symptoms rather than underlying causes. Following the closure, the NSW Government initiated an accelerated engineering procurement process to identify possible repair or replacement solutions. Engineering firms from Australia and overseas were invited to submit proposals aimed at restoring the corridor while preserving heritage considerations. Government agencies acknowledged that any future solution would likely involve substantial reconstruction and modern reinforcement to meet current transport demands and resilience standards <ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-05-05 |title=Great Western Highway fix in sight almost 60 days after road shut |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-05/great-western-highway-solution/106641888 |access-date=2026-05-23}}</ref>. The urgency of post-failure engineering procurement highlights how crisis conditions often accelerate decision-making that had been deferred under normal circumstances<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-13 |title=“We will not risk lives”: Extra rail and transport services to be rolled out as Great Western Highway closure to remain in place for at least three months {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Ultimately, the Convict Bridge case reflects a wider issue in infrastructure planning and asset management: the disconnect between long-term infrastructure needs and short-term political, financial, and policy constraints. Rather than being an unexpected failure, closure can be understood as the result of years of deferred intervention, competing priorities between heritage preservation and operational performance, and limited proactive investment in resilient transport infrastructure. ==Discussion Questions== 1: Is the announcement-commitment gap a failure of political will, or an inevitable product of democratic institutional design? 2: Did the heritage listing of Victoria Pass serve the public interest, or did it subordinate infrastructure safety to cultural preservation in a way that was never transparently debated? 3: Existing Cost-Benefit Analysis process justifies projects based on actual usage and density, which is naturally unfavorable for infrastructure funding in regional and remote areas, how can we close this gap? 4: The causeway’s failure was physically gradual but politically sudden, and it can be traced back to the absence of political accountability. What measures can be put in place in the existing decision making framework that will meaningfully mitigate this? ==Further reading== '''1. Transport for NSW. (2023). ''Crossing the Blue Mountains: The Great Western Road'''''<ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport |title=Crossing the Blue Mountains |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/system/files/media/documents/2023/crossing_the_blue_mountains_the_great_western_road.pdf}}</ref> '''.''' Official NSW Government historical report on the development of transport infrastructure across the Blue Mountains. '''2. Project Gutenberg Australia. ''Three Expeditions into the Interior of Eastern Australia – Thomas Mitchell''''' <ref>{{Cite web |title=Three Expeditions into the Interior V2 |url=https://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks/e00036.html |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=gutenberg.net.au}}</ref>'''.''' Historical primary source documenting early colonial exploration and road development. 3. '''Sydney to Central West Corridors White Paper (Transport for NSW)'''<ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2025-12-03 |title=Sydney to Central West Corridors White Paper |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/node/31741 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.transport.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref> A strategic planning document assessing capacity, safety, and resilience challenges along the Great Western Highway and alternative routes. 4. '''Australia’s Longest Road Tunnel Proposal – Blue Mountains'''<ref>{{Cite web |last=Walker |first=Nicole |date=2022-05-23 |title=Australia's longest road tunnel through Blue Mountains |url=https://concreteinstitute.com.au/australias-longest-road-tunnel-through-blue-mountains/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Concrete Institute of Australia |language=en-AU}}</ref> Discusses proposed large-scale infrastructure solutions to improve safety, reduce travel times, and increase resilience. 5. 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Retrieved from <nowiki>https://www.nationaltrust.org.au/conservation-landscape-mitchells-causeway/</nowiki>? <br /> <br /> {{BookCat}} dzp29k8j37hii8t4177bxepmltuht1d 4637121 4637120 2026-05-23T03:02:10Z ~2026-30635-44 3592057 /* References */ 4637121 wikitext text/x-wiki == Summary == In early March 2026, Mitchell's Causeway at Victoria Pass suffered serious structural damage, abruptly closing a critical highway link between Sydney and the Central West. Known locally as the Convict Bridge, the causeway carries the Great Western Highway between Little Hartley and Mount Victoria, where around 12,000 vehicles normally passed each day <ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-05-05 |title=Great Western Highway fix in sight almost 60 days after road shut |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-05/great-western-highway-solution/106641888 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. Once the road closed, that traffic had to move through longer and less suitable mountain detours. The problem was not just that an old bridge cracked. More uncomfortable is the fact that this old bridge was still doing the job of a modern strategic road. Mitchell's Causeway is historically valuable because it remains a rare example of colonial road engineering. Heritage NSW records that the Victoria Pass Causeway was built between 1829 and 1832 and has retained much of its original form and fabric<ref>{{Cite web |title=Victoria Pass {{!}} Heritage NSW |url=https://apps.environment.nsw.gov.au/dpcheritageapp/ViewHeritageItemDetails.aspx?ID=4301023 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=apps.environment.nsw.gov.au}}</ref>. That heritage value matters, but it also makes the present-day transport problem harder. A normal road asset can be rebuilt with fewer constraints; a convict-built causeway on the State Heritage Register cannot be treated so casually. Safety, heritage and traffic function all sit on the same narrow piece of road. By April, geotechnical work had confirmed that the issue was deeper than surface pavement damage. Minister Jenny Aitchison said the fill underneath the road had deteriorated and that there were "voids and gaps" within the causeway structure<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-04-10 |title=Minister says there is no 'proper timetable' for reopening NSW highway |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-10/great-western-highway-geotechnical-study-shows-gaps-under-road/106549768 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. Earlier warning signs also matter here. ABC reported that local business groups had raised concerns about the safety and durability of the Convict Bridge before the closure, while broader corridor planning had already identified reliability problems at Victoria Pass<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-10 |title=Government warned now-closed 'horse and cart' Convict Bridge unfit for modern traffic |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-10/great-western-highway-convict-bridge-closed/106432242 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. In other words, the shutdown did not come from nowhere. Official advice suggested that the Darling Causeway and Bells Line of Road detour could add up to 25 minutes to a Blue Mountains crossing<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-13 |title=“We will not risk lives”: Extra rail and transport services to be rolled out as Great Western Highway closure to remain in place for at least three months {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. That figure is tidy, but real life was not. For a person making one flexible trip, 25 minutes may be manageable. For students, workers, freight drivers, medical trips and small businesses relying on passing traffic, the cost was repeated every day. The detour became part of people's routines, not just a line in a traffic update. The state moved quickly once the road was closed. Extra rail, coach and school bus services followed, agencies formed an incident management team, and the government committed A$50 million to improving detour routes such as Darling Causeway, Chifley Road and Lithgow Main Street<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-25 |title=Minns Government commits $50 million to strengthen detour routes during Great Western Highway closure {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/minns-government-commits-50-million-to-strengthen-detour-routes-during-great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Later, Transport for NSW received ten engineering submissions and shortlisted consortia led by Seymour Whyte and Gamuda to develop repair options<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-05-13 |title=Two engineering solutions shortlisted to restore Great Western Highway at Victoria Pass {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/victoria-pass-engineering-solutions-shortlisted |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Those responses were necessary. Yet their timing is hard to ignore: the detour network became urgent only after the main route had already failed. In short, this is less a heritage repair problem than a failure of transport resilience: a known vulnerable link lacked a robust fallback before it failed. The road can eventually reopen, but reopening alone will not explain why that fallback was missing. == Annotated list of factors == {| class="wikitable" ! Actor / Stakeholder group ! Role in the case ! Main interests, concerns and policy relevance |- | '''Transport for NSW, engineers and heritage specialists''' | Led the operational response, including road closure, monitoring, detours and technical assessment. | Transport for NSW had to prioritise public safety once movement was detected at Mitchell’s Causeway. The closure itself was difficult to dispute, but the harder issue sits before the closure: whether the agency had clear enough trigger points for earlier intervention, especially after local concerns about the bridge’s safety had already been raised(Heritage NSW, n.d.). |- | '''Heritage NSW and conservation interests''' | Defined the heritage value of Victoria Pass Causeway and shaped the limits of repair. | Heritage NSW gives the site its historical weight. The causeway matters because much of its colonial engineering remains legible, but that is exactly what complicates repair. Current policy protects the heritage asset, yet it does not clearly answer how that asset should function when it is still part of a freight and commuter route (Heritage NSW, n.d.). |- | '''NSW Government, Minister Jenny Aitchison and the repair decision''' | Managed the political response, public messaging, funding and repair procurement. | The government’s safety-first message was reasonable, but it also narrowed the public conversation. Once the issue was framed mainly as “do not risk lives,” less attention was given to why a known fragile cross-mountain link had no pre-prepared detour capacity strong enough to absorb the failure. The repair decision also has to balance speed, durability, cost, heritage approval and political pressure<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-05-13 |title=Two engineering solutions shortlisted to restore Great Western Highway at Victoria Pass {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/victoria-pass-engineering-solutions-shortlisted |language=en-AU}}</ref>. |- | '''Those who carried the cost: communities, businesses, councils and freight''' | Experienced the practical impacts of the closure on daily travel, local trade and freight movement. | The closure landed unevenly. Local councils had to manage congestion and road wear even though the highway was a state responsibility<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-25 |title=Minns Government commits $50 million to strengthen detour routes during Great Western Highway closure {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/minns-government-commits-50-million-to-strengthen-detour-routes-during-great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Families faced longer school and work trips. Businesses lost customers who used to arrive because the highway brought them past the front door. Freight users were pushed onto less suitable routes through Lithgow, Chifley Road, Darling Causeway and Bells Line of Road<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-05-05 |title=Great Western Highway fix in sight almost 60 days after road shut |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-05/great-western-highway-solution/106641888 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | '''NSW Reconstruction Authority and the Community Coordination Taskforce''' | Coordinated communication between government, councils, industry and affected communities. | The taskforce gave councils, industry and community groups a clearer contact point during the disruption. Its role was narrower than Transport for NSW’s technical role, but it showed how unusual the closure was: the event did not fit neatly into normal disaster arrangements, while affected towns experienced it as a major regional disruption<ref>{{Cite journal |last=Authority |first=NSW Reconstruction |date=2026-03-19 |title=New Taskforce to coordinate support for Great Western Highway communities {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/new-taskforce-to-coordinate-support-for-great-western-highway-communities-0 |language=en-AU}}</ref>. |} == Timeline of events == {| class="wikitable" |+ Timeline of Victoria Pass (Convict Bridge) and 2026 Great Western Highway Events ! Period / Date !! Event !! Description |- | 1829–1833 || Planning, construction and early completion of Victoria Pass (Convict Bridge) || Surveyor-General Thomas Mitchell planned the western route over the Blue Mountains (1829–1830). Construction of Victoria Pass and associated sandstone structures, including the Convict Bridge, began in 1830 using convict labour. The route opened in 1832, providing a key connection between Sydney and the Central West. Final completion works and early repairs continued through 1832–1833 due to steep terrain, engineering constraints, and early structural challenges (NSW Government, n.d.)<ref>{{Cite web |title=Victoria Pass {{!}} Heritage NSW |url=https://apps.environment.nsw.gov.au/dpcheritageapp/ViewHeritageItemDetails.aspx?id=4301023 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=apps.environment.nsw.gov.au}}</ref>. |- | 1999 || Heritage listing || The Victoria Pass precinct, including the Convict Bridge area, was listed on the New South Wales State Heritage Register (NSW Government, n.d.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Heritage |url=https://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/topics/heritage |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Environment and Heritage |language=en}}</ref>). |- | Early March 2026 || Structural concerns identified || Cracking and instability were identified at the Victoria Pass section of the Great Western Highway (ABC, 2026)<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-19 |title=Highway closure not a 'natural' disaster, NSW government says |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-19/great-western-highway-taskforce/106471918 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | 19 March 2026 || Taskforce established || NSW Government established a multi-agency taskforce to manage response and disruption impacts (ABC, 2026)<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-19 |title=Highway closure not a 'natural' disaster, NSW government says |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-19/great-western-highway-taskforce/106471918 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | 25 March 2026 || Detour funding announced || A $50 million package was announced to upgrade key detour routes including Bells Line of Road, Chifley Road, and Darling Causeway (ABC, 2026<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-25 |title=$50m for Great Western Highway detour routes, as road remains 'unstable' |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-25/funding-to-maintain-detour-roads-in-great-western-highway/106495330 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>). |- | Late March 2026 || Highway closure || The affected section of the highway was closed due to escalating safety risks from structural instability. |- | 10 April 2026 || Geotechnical investigations || Investigations confirmed subsurface voids and significant ground instability beneath the roadway (ABC, 2026)<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-04-10 |title=Minister says there is no 'proper timetable' for reopening NSW highway |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-10/great-western-highway-geotechnical-study-shows-gaps-under-road/106549768 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | April 2026 || Monitoring phase || Ongoing monitoring and assessment of structural conditions continued while long-term solutions were evaluated. |- | 5 May 2026 || Engineering solutions shortlisted || Engineering options were shortlisted for detailed evaluation, progressing toward the design phase (ABC, 2026<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-05-05 |title=Great Western Highway fix in sight almost 60 days after road shut |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-05/great-western-highway-solution/106641888 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>). |} == Maps of locations == The Great Western Highway is a major transport corridor connecting Sydney to western New South Wales through the Blue Mountains. The failure occurred at Victoria Pass, a steep and historically significant section of the route. Key locations include Victoria Pass (failure point), Mitchell’s Causeway / Convict Bridge area (structural weakness zone), Bells Line of Road (northern detour), Chifley Road (southern detour), and Lithgow approaches (traffic redistribution routes) (ABC, 2026).<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-25 |title=$50m for Great Western Highway detour routes, as road remains 'unstable' |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-25/funding-to-maintain-detour-roads-in-great-western-highway/106495330 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref> Traffic has been diverted across these alternative routes, increasing congestion and travel times across the Blue Mountains corridor due to closure of the primary highway link. == Identification of policy issues == === Heritage Listing as Structural Lock-In === The NSW Heritage Act 1977 establishes the State Heritage Register and defines conditions under which listed assets may be altered. The heritage listing for Victoria Pass and Berghofers Pass includes exemptions only for specific works, including emergency stabilisation activities where a structure has been damaged and poses a safety risk. Everything below that threshold falls outside permissible intervention under normal conditions, including the urgently required structural reinforcement of a masonry retained embankment that has been overly exposed to loads beyond its structural capacity. The fundamental incompatibility between a rubble-filled sandstone embankment and 12,000 vehicles per day (including semi-trailer trucks) could not be easily addressed by Transport for NSW without interventions the listing prohibited. Heritage listing without a parallel structural compatibility assessment has converted the bridge from a living piece of infrastructure into a frozen liability. The asset must be preserved as-is while continuing to carry loads it cannot tolerate, with intervention only permitted after the point of failure. The NSW Government’s own geotechnical investigations confirmed that the 200-year-old fill had deteriorated significantly, creating voids and gaps throughout the substructure. It was even acknowledged that without enhanced monitoring installed in late 2025, the structure could have collapsed before defects were detected (NSW Government, 2026)<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-04-10 |title=Geotechnical data to inform long-term solution for Great Western Highway {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/geotechnical-data-to-inform-long-term-solution-for-great-western-highway |language=en-AU}}</ref>. That monitoring was installed three months before failure on a structure that had been carrying highway-grade traffic for over a century. It indicates that the asset management program was operating reactively rather than condition-based mode at this site. === The Substructure Monitoring Deficit === The deterioration of the site was not being tracked through substructure inspection. Enhanced monitoring was installed in December 2025, presenting as proactive stewardship in TfNSW’s public communications, but the fact that real-time structural monitoring was not in place on a known-risk heritage asset carrying primary freight traffic until three months before catastrophic failure indicates an inspection and asset management programme that had not matched its cadence to the risk profile of the structure. === The Announcement-Commitment Gap === The bypass tunnel cancellation is the most politically visible element of the state-level failure, but it sits within a longer pattern of interrupted commitment on the Great Western Highway that substantially predates the Minns government. A prime example of “strategic misrepresentation” in megaproject approval, where proponents deliberately underestimate costs and overestimate benefits to secure political commitment, knowing the commitment will not survive contact with delivery (Flyvberj, 2013)<ref name=":0">{{Cite web |last=Flyvbjerg |first=Bent |date=2013-03-20 |title=Survival of the Unfittest: Why the Worst Infrastructure Gets Built, And What We Can Do about It |url=https://arxiv.org/abs/1303.6571v1 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=arXiv.org |language=en |doi=10.48550/arXiv.1303.6571}}</ref>. Australian governments are prone to announcing projects they have no realistic intention of building within their term, generating regional goodwill at low political cost, while deferring the fiscal and delivery burden to successors who then cancel and repeat the cycle. Flyvbjerg identifies systematic problems in the development process, whereby proponents intentionally misrepresent information and deliberately disregard risks, instigating projects that result in fewer benefits and higher costs than promised (Flyvberj, 2013) <ref name=":0" />. The inverse also applies: announced projects that were always underfunded relative to delivery requirements. This is evident in the proposed twin-tunnel upgrade for the Great Western Highway. In the September 2023 state budget, the Minns government reallocated state funding commitments for the upgrade. In November 2023, the federal government confirmed it would also reallocate its funding commitment, redirecting it to other priorities (TfNSW, 2024) <ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2023-01-30 |title=Blackheath to Little Hartley Upgrade |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/node/19457 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.transport.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref>. The tunnels were formally cancelled in favour of softer commitments. The causeway failed six weeks later. The planning investment was sunk, but the corridor problem it was designed to solve remained. Transport for NSW ultimately paused all work on upgrades to the Great Western Highway between Katoomba and Lithgow, apart from the Medlow Bath and Coxs River Road upgrades, with state and federal funding commitments redirected to other projects (TfNSW, 2026) <ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2023-01-30 |title=Great Western Highway |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/node/19470 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.transport.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref>. === Metro Spending Bias === Sydney Metro alone comprised over a quarter of NSW’s total four-year infrastructure spend in the 2023–24 budget, at $24.9 billion over four years (Infrastructure Partnerships Australia, 2023) <ref>{{Cite web |last=https://www.tophamguerin.com |date=2023-12-18 |title=Australian Infrastructure Budget Monitor 2023-24 |url=https://infrastructure.org.au/policy-research/major-reports/australian-infrastructure-budget-monitor-2023-24/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Infrastructure Partnerships Australia |language=en-US}}</ref>. The bulk of NSW road funding was directed toward the Western Harbour Tunnel and Princes Highway Corridor. The same organisation went on to note that NSW may experience a deficit in the medium to long-term regional pipeline (Infrastructure Partnerships Australia, 2024) <ref>{{Cite web |last=https://www.tophamguerin.com |date=2024-10-24 |title=Australian Infrastructure Budget Monitor 2024-25 |url=https://infrastructure.org.au/policy-research/major-reports/australian-infrastructure-budget-monitor-2024-25/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Infrastructure Partnerships Australia |language=en-US}}</ref>. The Great Western Highway bypass, at a total project cost estimated at $12 billion over an eight-to-ten year build, was cancelled due to being ‘fiscally unachievable’ in the same budget environment that continued to fund cost overruns in the Greater Sydney metropolitan area. The Sydney Metro City and Southwest line alone exceeded its original budget by approximately $5.1 billion, yet an additional $1 billion in interim funding was allocated to the project. Metropolitan projects concentrate benefits in large, media-visible electorates, while regional corridor projects benefit smaller, dispersed populations. Successive budgets treated the Great Western Highway as a maintenance problem rather than a capital investment priority, while overruns in metro-context projects were absorbed without similar scrutiny. This asymmetry was flagged explicitly before the 2023 election, arguing that Labor’s stated intention to redirect Great Western Highway funding to Western Sydney infrastructure would leave the Central West without a safe and productive link to Sydney (Lachlan Shire Council, 2023) <ref>{{Cite web |title=Regional transport and roads could decide State Election |url=https://www.lachlan.nsw.gov.au/News-articles/Regional-transport-and-roads-could-decide-State-Election |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.lachlan.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref>. === Short-Termism and the Electoral Cycle === Major transport infrastructure in Australia runs on a 10–15 year development and delivery horizon. NSW state electoral terms run to four years. No government that announces a major regional infrastructure project opens it. The announcement is the political event; delivery is not. Political short-termism is formally defined in the literature as the systematic prioritisation of short-term net policy benefits over long-term outcomes, hindering policy investments that impose short-term costs on society to address long-term challenges (Ogami, 2024) <ref name=":1">{{Cite journal |last=Ogami |first=Masakazu |date=2024-05-02 |title=The Conditionality of Political Short‐Termism: A Review of Empirical and Experimental Studies |url=https://www.cogitatiopress.com/politicsandgovernance/article/view/7764 |journal=Politics and Governance |language=en |volume=12 |issue=0 |doi=10.17645/pag.7764 |issn=2183-2463}}</ref>. Infrastructure costs are immediate, visible, and attributable; benefits are diffuse, delayed, and frequently credited to successors. The short-term actor announces rather than builds, the incoming government cancels an adversary’s political monument. Contributing traits such as short electoral cycles, voters’ discounting of future policy benefits, and partisanship are particularly acute in the Australian context of short electoral terms and adversarial two-party politics (Ogami, 2024) <ref name=":1" />. There is no institutional obligation on a NSW government to honour prior infrastructure commitments not yet under contract. Independent authorities have no more than advisory power over infrastructure pipelines. Infrastructure NSW and Infrastructure Australia can recommend and prioritise, but not prevent the government from redirecting committed funding upon taking office. === Heritage-Infrastructure Compatibility Framework === The heritage listing at Victoria Pass was the correct cultural heritage decision. However, the systematic framework for assessing and managing compatibility and longevity of heritage-listed infrastructures continues to be absent. The NSW Heritage Act 1977 and its associated guidelines do not require ongoing assessment of whether a listed asset’s structural characteristics remain compatible with the loads placed upon it, or mandate intervention thresholds short of emergency conditions. The NSW State Infrastructure Strategy 2018–2038 recommended introducing an asset management policy with a new assurance model, but its focus was on capital growth and network efficiency, with no meaningful attention on infrastructure compatibility (Affan, 2019) <ref>{{Cite journal |last=Affan |first=Rami |date=10 June, 2019 |title=Getting asset management right: a new framework |url=https://127.0.0.1/getting-asset-management-right-a-new-framework/ |journal=Infrastructure Journal}}</ref>. The gap is not owned by a single agency: Heritage NSW administers the listing conditions; Transport for NSW manages the asset; Treasury funds maintenance allocations. All of which are not required to jointly assess whether a heritage listing, a loading profile, and a maintenance budget are mutually compatible over time. === The Procurement Model and Policy Continuity === Love et. al. argue that the traditional procurement model used by Australian state governments fails to deliver expected benefits for large-scale transport projects, and that a focused policy-making pathway is largely absent. Especially in future-proofing complex infrastructure assets against unanticipated changes in load, use, or structural condition (Love et. al., 2021) <ref>{{Cite journal |date=2021-12-01 |title=A procurement policy-making pathway to future-proof large-scale transport infrastructure assets |url=https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S073988592100041X |journal=Research in Transportation Economics |language=en-US |volume=90 |pages=101069 |doi=10.1016/j.retrec.2021.101069 |issn=0739-8859}}</ref>. The structural consequence is that major transport assets are managed transactionally, without a long-horizon framework for assessing when a structure has moved beyond the envelope of maintainability and requires replacement or bypass. Mitchell’s Causeway is the reductio ad absurdum of this model: a structure well past its design life, carrying loads it was never intended for, preserved by heritage listing from the interventions that would have resolved the incompatibility, and sustained by a maintenance programme that could not address what the listing prevented. Politicisation, inconsistent engagement, and short-termism undermine public trust, and erode reform capability in Australian infrastructure governance. These barriers are embedded in the institutional design of the system, not attributable to the decisions of particular governments (ANU, 2025) <ref>{{Cite web |title=Strengthening Australia's capacity for policy reform {{!}} ANU Institute for Infrastructure in Society |url=https://infrastructure.anu.edu.au/strengthening-australias-capacity-policy-reform |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=infrastructure.anu.edu.au}}</ref>. == Narrative of the case == The Convict Bridge, also known as Mitchell’s Causeway, highlights a classic infrastructure paradox: a historically significant asset continues to perform a modern, high-demand transport function long after its design life has expired. Built in 1832 under the supervision of Major Thomas Mitchell<ref>{{Citation |title=Mitchell's Causeway |date=2026-05-20 |url=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mitchell%27s_Causeway&oldid=1355157766 |work=Wikipedia |access-date=2026-05-23 |language=en}}</ref>, during the colonial era using convict labor, the bridge is one of Australia’s earliest and most significant transport assets. For almost two centuries, it has played a vital role in connecting communities across the Blue Mountains and supporting movement between Sydney and inland New South Wales. The structure itself was an engineering achievement for its time. Rather than a conventional bridge, Mitchell’s Causeway was designed as a massive sandstone retaining embankment built across a natural depression between escarpment outcrops. Convict laborers manually quarried sandstone, constructed retaining walls, and filled the interior with rubble and earth to create a level transport platform. Some of the original convict engravings remain visible on the sandstone blocks today, reinforcing the site’s cultural and historical significance. At the time of its heritage listing, the structure was recognized as one of the few substantial surviving stone causeways from the early colonial era in New South Wales<ref>{{Citation |title=Mitchell's Causeway |date=2026-05-20 |url=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mitchell%27s_Causeway&oldid=1355157766 |work=Wikipedia |access-date=2026-05-23 |language=en}}</ref> . Over time, the bridge became an essential transport link within the regional road network. However, its original design was never intended to accommodate the heavy traffic volumes and vehicle loads associated with contemporary transport systems. The bridge later became integrated into the Great Western Highway network as motor vehicle ownership increased during the twentieth century. As decades passed, increasing pressure placed stress on the sandstone retaining walls and the underlying structure. Although engineers had identified signs of deterioration in earlier years, intervention was limited due to heritage restrictions and funding priorities. As a result, most works focused on surface-level upgrades rather than major structural improvements. Eventually, geotechnical instability emerged, with reports identifying movement in retaining walls and buttresses<ref>{{Cite web |title= |url=https://www.nationaltrust.org.au/conservation-landscape-mitchells-causeway/? |access-date= |website=}}</ref> . Concerns intensified in late 2025 when local stakeholders warned that the bridge could potentially fail under modern loading conditions. Despite these warnings, immediate policy action was limited. Instead, authorities relied primarily on monitoring technologies, reflecting a reactive rather than preventative approach to infrastructure management<ref>{{Cite journal |last= |first= |date= |title=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-10/great-western-highway-convict-bridge-closed/106432242 |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-10/great-western-highway-convict-bridge-closed/106432242 |journal= |language=en-AU}}</ref> . The situation escalated on 5 March 2026 when Transport for NSW identified defects in the road surface of Mitchell’s Causeway. Initial investigations revealed movement within the structure, leading authorities to close the eastbound lane while geotechnical monitoring commenced. However, within days, additional stress fractures and visible cracking appeared across the roadway surface, indicating that the problem extended beyond superficial pavement damage. On 8 March 2026, the bridge was fully closed to all traffic, including emergency services, due to fears of major structural instability. The closure immediately disrupted a major transport corridor used by approximately 12,000 people daily and forced motorists and freight operators to take lengthy detours<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-13 |title=“We will not risk lives”: Extra rail and transport services to be rolled out as Great Western Highway closure to remain in place for at least three months {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. The closure immediately exposed the vulnerability of regional transport connectivity in New South Wales. With Victoria Pass shut, traffic was diverted through alternative routes such as Darling Causeway and Bells Line of Road. These detour routes were not designed to accommodate the redirected freight volumes and experienced substantial congestion, safety risks, and increased travel times.. Communities across Lithgow, Mount Victoria, and the Central West experienced longer travel times, economic impacts, and reduced accessibility, while freight transport became less efficient and more expensive<ref>{{Cite news |last=Buckley |first=Penry |last2=Larkin |first2=Jack |date=2026-03-13 |title=A key Blue Mountains road closure is blowing out travel times – and causing ‘red hot anger’ among locals |language=en-GB |work=The Guardian |url=https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2026/mar/14/blue-mountains-road-convict-bridge-closure-nsw-travel |access-date=2026-05-22 |issn=0261-3077}}</ref> . Importantly, the incident demonstrated how vulnerable regional transport systems in New South Wales can become when they depend heavily on a single piece of infrastructure. Alternative routes, including the Bells Line of Road, were not designed to accommodate the sudden increase in redirected freight and traffic volumes, creating additional congestion and safety concerns<ref>{{Cite web |title=Client Challenge |url=https://www.hawkesburygazette.com/victoria-pass-closure-sends-shockwaves-along-blor-to-richmond-and-beyond/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.hawkesburygazette.com}}</ref>. The closure also generated broader public debate about infrastructure resilience and government planning. Critics argued that authorities had relied too heavily on reactive management approaches rather than proactive infrastructure renewal. While Transport for NSW rapidly deployed monitoring systems, commissioned geotechnical investigations, and introduced additional public transport services, these responses primarily addressed the immediate operational consequences rather than the underlying structural problems. From a governance perspective, the response further underscores systemic weaknesses. While the NSW Government implemented short-term mitigation measures for example increased public transport services—these actions addressed symptoms rather than underlying causes. Following the closure, the NSW Government initiated an accelerated engineering procurement process to identify possible repair or replacement solutions. Engineering firms from Australia and overseas were invited to submit proposals aimed at restoring the corridor while preserving heritage considerations. Government agencies acknowledged that any future solution would likely involve substantial reconstruction and modern reinforcement to meet current transport demands and resilience standards <ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-05-05 |title=Great Western Highway fix in sight almost 60 days after road shut |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-05/great-western-highway-solution/106641888 |access-date=2026-05-23}}</ref>. The urgency of post-failure engineering procurement highlights how crisis conditions often accelerate decision-making that had been deferred under normal circumstances<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-13 |title=“We will not risk lives”: Extra rail and transport services to be rolled out as Great Western Highway closure to remain in place for at least three months {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Ultimately, the Convict Bridge case reflects a wider issue in infrastructure planning and asset management: the disconnect between long-term infrastructure needs and short-term political, financial, and policy constraints. Rather than being an unexpected failure, closure can be understood as the result of years of deferred intervention, competing priorities between heritage preservation and operational performance, and limited proactive investment in resilient transport infrastructure. ==Discussion Questions== 1: Is the announcement-commitment gap a failure of political will, or an inevitable product of democratic institutional design? 2: Did the heritage listing of Victoria Pass serve the public interest, or did it subordinate infrastructure safety to cultural preservation in a way that was never transparently debated? 3: Existing Cost-Benefit Analysis process justifies projects based on actual usage and density, which is naturally unfavorable for infrastructure funding in regional and remote areas, how can we close this gap? 4: The causeway’s failure was physically gradual but politically sudden, and it can be traced back to the absence of political accountability. What measures can be put in place in the existing decision making framework that will meaningfully mitigate this? ==Further reading== '''1. Transport for NSW. (2023). ''Crossing the Blue Mountains: The Great Western Road'''''<ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport |title=Crossing the Blue Mountains |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/system/files/media/documents/2023/crossing_the_blue_mountains_the_great_western_road.pdf}}</ref> '''.''' Official NSW Government historical report on the development of transport infrastructure across the Blue Mountains. '''2. Project Gutenberg Australia. ''Three Expeditions into the Interior of Eastern Australia – Thomas Mitchell''''' <ref>{{Cite web |title=Three Expeditions into the Interior V2 |url=https://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks/e00036.html |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=gutenberg.net.au}}</ref>'''.''' Historical primary source documenting early colonial exploration and road development. 3. '''Sydney to Central West Corridors White Paper (Transport for NSW)'''<ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2025-12-03 |title=Sydney to Central West Corridors White Paper |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/node/31741 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.transport.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref> A strategic planning document assessing capacity, safety, and resilience challenges along the Great Western Highway and alternative routes. 4. '''Australia’s Longest Road Tunnel Proposal – Blue Mountains'''<ref>{{Cite web |last=Walker |first=Nicole |date=2022-05-23 |title=Australia's longest road tunnel through Blue Mountains |url=https://concreteinstitute.com.au/australias-longest-road-tunnel-through-blue-mountains/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Concrete Institute of Australia |language=en-AU}}</ref> Discusses proposed large-scale infrastructure solutions to improve safety, reduce travel times, and increase resilience. 5. '''Salah, R.; Szép, J.; Ajtayné Károlyfi, K.; Géczy, N. An Investigation of Historic Transportation Infrastructure Preservation and Improvement through Historic Building Information Modeling. ''Infrastructures'' 2024, ''9'', 114''' . ==References== * *Transport for NSW (2026). Geotechnical data to inform long-term solution for Great Western Highway. Minister for Roads. <nowiki>https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/geotechnical-data-to-inform-long-term-solution-for-great-western-highway</nowiki> *Transport for NSW (2026). Great Western Highway. <nowiki>https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/projects/current-projects/great-western-highway</nowiki> *ABC News. (2026a, March 19). ''Taskforce to help communities hit by Great Western Highway closure''. Australian Broadcasting Corporation. *ABC News. (2026b, March 25). ''$50 million to upgrade detour roads during Great Western Highway’s closure''. Australian Broadcasting Corporation. *ABC News. (2026c, April 10). ''No “proper timetable” for reopening Great Western Highway, NSW roads minister says''. Australian Broadcasting Corporation. *ABC News. (2026d, May 5). ''Transport for NSW shortlists possible fixes to a failed section of the Great Western Highway''. Australian Broadcasting Corporation. *ABC News. (2026e, March 10). ''Push for investigation into safety, durability of Great Western Highway’s historic Convict Bridge''. Australian Broadcasting Corporation. *Heritage NSW. (n.d.). ''Victoria Pass''. State Heritage Inventory. *NSW Government. (2026a, March 13). ''“We will not risk lives”: Extra rail and transport services to be rolled out as Great Western Highway closure to remain in place for at least three months''. *NSW Government. (2026b, March 19). ''New taskforce to coordinate support for Great Western Highway communities''. *NSW Government. (2026c, March 25). ''Minns Government commits $50 million to strengthen detour routes during Great Western Highway closure''. *NSW Government. (2026e, May 13). ''Two engineering solutions shortlisted to restore Great Western Highway at Victoria Pass''. *Gazette, H. (2026, April 8). ''Hawkesbury Gazette''. Retrieved from <nowiki>https://www.hawkesburygazette.com/victoria-pass-closure-sends-shockwaves-along-blor-to-richmond-and-beyond/</nowiki> *Government, N. (2026, March 13). ''NSW Government''. Retrieved from <nowiki>https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/great-western-highway-closure</nowiki> *Gregory, X. (2026, March 10). ''ABC News''. Retrieved from <nowiki>https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-10/great-western-highway-convict-bridge-closed/106432242</nowiki> *Guardian, T. (2026, March 14). ''The Guardian''. Retrieved from <nowiki>https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2026/mar/14/blue-mountains-road-convict-bridge-closure-nsw-travel</nowiki> *Trust, N. (n.d.). ''National Trust''. Retrieved from <nowiki>https://www.nationaltrust.org.au/conservation-landscape-mitchells-causeway/</nowiki>? <br /> <br /> {{BookCat}} 17m8y2anlpxipcshm15dpfj5qwogtvs 4637122 4637121 2026-05-23T03:02:46Z ~2026-30635-44 3592057 /* References */ 4637122 wikitext text/x-wiki == Summary == In early March 2026, Mitchell's Causeway at Victoria Pass suffered serious structural damage, abruptly closing a critical highway link between Sydney and the Central West. Known locally as the Convict Bridge, the causeway carries the Great Western Highway between Little Hartley and Mount Victoria, where around 12,000 vehicles normally passed each day <ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-05-05 |title=Great Western Highway fix in sight almost 60 days after road shut |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-05/great-western-highway-solution/106641888 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. Once the road closed, that traffic had to move through longer and less suitable mountain detours. The problem was not just that an old bridge cracked. More uncomfortable is the fact that this old bridge was still doing the job of a modern strategic road. Mitchell's Causeway is historically valuable because it remains a rare example of colonial road engineering. Heritage NSW records that the Victoria Pass Causeway was built between 1829 and 1832 and has retained much of its original form and fabric<ref>{{Cite web |title=Victoria Pass {{!}} Heritage NSW |url=https://apps.environment.nsw.gov.au/dpcheritageapp/ViewHeritageItemDetails.aspx?ID=4301023 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=apps.environment.nsw.gov.au}}</ref>. That heritage value matters, but it also makes the present-day transport problem harder. A normal road asset can be rebuilt with fewer constraints; a convict-built causeway on the State Heritage Register cannot be treated so casually. Safety, heritage and traffic function all sit on the same narrow piece of road. By April, geotechnical work had confirmed that the issue was deeper than surface pavement damage. Minister Jenny Aitchison said the fill underneath the road had deteriorated and that there were "voids and gaps" within the causeway structure<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-04-10 |title=Minister says there is no 'proper timetable' for reopening NSW highway |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-10/great-western-highway-geotechnical-study-shows-gaps-under-road/106549768 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. Earlier warning signs also matter here. ABC reported that local business groups had raised concerns about the safety and durability of the Convict Bridge before the closure, while broader corridor planning had already identified reliability problems at Victoria Pass<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-10 |title=Government warned now-closed 'horse and cart' Convict Bridge unfit for modern traffic |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-10/great-western-highway-convict-bridge-closed/106432242 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. In other words, the shutdown did not come from nowhere. Official advice suggested that the Darling Causeway and Bells Line of Road detour could add up to 25 minutes to a Blue Mountains crossing<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-13 |title=“We will not risk lives”: Extra rail and transport services to be rolled out as Great Western Highway closure to remain in place for at least three months {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. That figure is tidy, but real life was not. For a person making one flexible trip, 25 minutes may be manageable. For students, workers, freight drivers, medical trips and small businesses relying on passing traffic, the cost was repeated every day. The detour became part of people's routines, not just a line in a traffic update. The state moved quickly once the road was closed. Extra rail, coach and school bus services followed, agencies formed an incident management team, and the government committed A$50 million to improving detour routes such as Darling Causeway, Chifley Road and Lithgow Main Street<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-25 |title=Minns Government commits $50 million to strengthen detour routes during Great Western Highway closure {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/minns-government-commits-50-million-to-strengthen-detour-routes-during-great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Later, Transport for NSW received ten engineering submissions and shortlisted consortia led by Seymour Whyte and Gamuda to develop repair options<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-05-13 |title=Two engineering solutions shortlisted to restore Great Western Highway at Victoria Pass {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/victoria-pass-engineering-solutions-shortlisted |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Those responses were necessary. Yet their timing is hard to ignore: the detour network became urgent only after the main route had already failed. In short, this is less a heritage repair problem than a failure of transport resilience: a known vulnerable link lacked a robust fallback before it failed. The road can eventually reopen, but reopening alone will not explain why that fallback was missing. == Annotated list of factors == {| class="wikitable" ! Actor / Stakeholder group ! Role in the case ! Main interests, concerns and policy relevance |- | '''Transport for NSW, engineers and heritage specialists''' | Led the operational response, including road closure, monitoring, detours and technical assessment. | Transport for NSW had to prioritise public safety once movement was detected at Mitchell’s Causeway. The closure itself was difficult to dispute, but the harder issue sits before the closure: whether the agency had clear enough trigger points for earlier intervention, especially after local concerns about the bridge’s safety had already been raised(Heritage NSW, n.d.). |- | '''Heritage NSW and conservation interests''' | Defined the heritage value of Victoria Pass Causeway and shaped the limits of repair. | Heritage NSW gives the site its historical weight. The causeway matters because much of its colonial engineering remains legible, but that is exactly what complicates repair. Current policy protects the heritage asset, yet it does not clearly answer how that asset should function when it is still part of a freight and commuter route (Heritage NSW, n.d.). |- | '''NSW Government, Minister Jenny Aitchison and the repair decision''' | Managed the political response, public messaging, funding and repair procurement. | The government’s safety-first message was reasonable, but it also narrowed the public conversation. Once the issue was framed mainly as “do not risk lives,” less attention was given to why a known fragile cross-mountain link had no pre-prepared detour capacity strong enough to absorb the failure. The repair decision also has to balance speed, durability, cost, heritage approval and political pressure<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-05-13 |title=Two engineering solutions shortlisted to restore Great Western Highway at Victoria Pass {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/victoria-pass-engineering-solutions-shortlisted |language=en-AU}}</ref>. |- | '''Those who carried the cost: communities, businesses, councils and freight''' | Experienced the practical impacts of the closure on daily travel, local trade and freight movement. | The closure landed unevenly. Local councils had to manage congestion and road wear even though the highway was a state responsibility<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-25 |title=Minns Government commits $50 million to strengthen detour routes during Great Western Highway closure {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/minns-government-commits-50-million-to-strengthen-detour-routes-during-great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Families faced longer school and work trips. Businesses lost customers who used to arrive because the highway brought them past the front door. Freight users were pushed onto less suitable routes through Lithgow, Chifley Road, Darling Causeway and Bells Line of Road<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-05-05 |title=Great Western Highway fix in sight almost 60 days after road shut |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-05/great-western-highway-solution/106641888 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | '''NSW Reconstruction Authority and the Community Coordination Taskforce''' | Coordinated communication between government, councils, industry and affected communities. | The taskforce gave councils, industry and community groups a clearer contact point during the disruption. Its role was narrower than Transport for NSW’s technical role, but it showed how unusual the closure was: the event did not fit neatly into normal disaster arrangements, while affected towns experienced it as a major regional disruption<ref>{{Cite journal |last=Authority |first=NSW Reconstruction |date=2026-03-19 |title=New Taskforce to coordinate support for Great Western Highway communities {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/new-taskforce-to-coordinate-support-for-great-western-highway-communities-0 |language=en-AU}}</ref>. |} == Timeline of events == {| class="wikitable" |+ Timeline of Victoria Pass (Convict Bridge) and 2026 Great Western Highway Events ! Period / Date !! Event !! Description |- | 1829–1833 || Planning, construction and early completion of Victoria Pass (Convict Bridge) || Surveyor-General Thomas Mitchell planned the western route over the Blue Mountains (1829–1830). Construction of Victoria Pass and associated sandstone structures, including the Convict Bridge, began in 1830 using convict labour. The route opened in 1832, providing a key connection between Sydney and the Central West. Final completion works and early repairs continued through 1832–1833 due to steep terrain, engineering constraints, and early structural challenges (NSW Government, n.d.)<ref>{{Cite web |title=Victoria Pass {{!}} Heritage NSW |url=https://apps.environment.nsw.gov.au/dpcheritageapp/ViewHeritageItemDetails.aspx?id=4301023 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=apps.environment.nsw.gov.au}}</ref>. |- | 1999 || Heritage listing || The Victoria Pass precinct, including the Convict Bridge area, was listed on the New South Wales State Heritage Register (NSW Government, n.d.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Heritage |url=https://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/topics/heritage |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Environment and Heritage |language=en}}</ref>). |- | Early March 2026 || Structural concerns identified || Cracking and instability were identified at the Victoria Pass section of the Great Western Highway (ABC, 2026)<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-19 |title=Highway closure not a 'natural' disaster, NSW government says |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-19/great-western-highway-taskforce/106471918 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | 19 March 2026 || Taskforce established || NSW Government established a multi-agency taskforce to manage response and disruption impacts (ABC, 2026)<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-19 |title=Highway closure not a 'natural' disaster, NSW government says |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-19/great-western-highway-taskforce/106471918 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | 25 March 2026 || Detour funding announced || A $50 million package was announced to upgrade key detour routes including Bells Line of Road, Chifley Road, and Darling Causeway (ABC, 2026<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-25 |title=$50m for Great Western Highway detour routes, as road remains 'unstable' |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-25/funding-to-maintain-detour-roads-in-great-western-highway/106495330 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>). |- | Late March 2026 || Highway closure || The affected section of the highway was closed due to escalating safety risks from structural instability. |- | 10 April 2026 || Geotechnical investigations || Investigations confirmed subsurface voids and significant ground instability beneath the roadway (ABC, 2026)<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-04-10 |title=Minister says there is no 'proper timetable' for reopening NSW highway |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-10/great-western-highway-geotechnical-study-shows-gaps-under-road/106549768 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | April 2026 || Monitoring phase || Ongoing monitoring and assessment of structural conditions continued while long-term solutions were evaluated. |- | 5 May 2026 || Engineering solutions shortlisted || Engineering options were shortlisted for detailed evaluation, progressing toward the design phase (ABC, 2026<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-05-05 |title=Great Western Highway fix in sight almost 60 days after road shut |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-05/great-western-highway-solution/106641888 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>). |} == Maps of locations == The Great Western Highway is a major transport corridor connecting Sydney to western New South Wales through the Blue Mountains. The failure occurred at Victoria Pass, a steep and historically significant section of the route. Key locations include Victoria Pass (failure point), Mitchell’s Causeway / Convict Bridge area (structural weakness zone), Bells Line of Road (northern detour), Chifley Road (southern detour), and Lithgow approaches (traffic redistribution routes) (ABC, 2026).<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-25 |title=$50m for Great Western Highway detour routes, as road remains 'unstable' |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-25/funding-to-maintain-detour-roads-in-great-western-highway/106495330 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref> Traffic has been diverted across these alternative routes, increasing congestion and travel times across the Blue Mountains corridor due to closure of the primary highway link. == Identification of policy issues == === Heritage Listing as Structural Lock-In === The NSW Heritage Act 1977 establishes the State Heritage Register and defines conditions under which listed assets may be altered. The heritage listing for Victoria Pass and Berghofers Pass includes exemptions only for specific works, including emergency stabilisation activities where a structure has been damaged and poses a safety risk. Everything below that threshold falls outside permissible intervention under normal conditions, including the urgently required structural reinforcement of a masonry retained embankment that has been overly exposed to loads beyond its structural capacity. The fundamental incompatibility between a rubble-filled sandstone embankment and 12,000 vehicles per day (including semi-trailer trucks) could not be easily addressed by Transport for NSW without interventions the listing prohibited. Heritage listing without a parallel structural compatibility assessment has converted the bridge from a living piece of infrastructure into a frozen liability. The asset must be preserved as-is while continuing to carry loads it cannot tolerate, with intervention only permitted after the point of failure. The NSW Government’s own geotechnical investigations confirmed that the 200-year-old fill had deteriorated significantly, creating voids and gaps throughout the substructure. It was even acknowledged that without enhanced monitoring installed in late 2025, the structure could have collapsed before defects were detected (NSW Government, 2026)<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-04-10 |title=Geotechnical data to inform long-term solution for Great Western Highway {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/geotechnical-data-to-inform-long-term-solution-for-great-western-highway |language=en-AU}}</ref>. That monitoring was installed three months before failure on a structure that had been carrying highway-grade traffic for over a century. It indicates that the asset management program was operating reactively rather than condition-based mode at this site. === The Substructure Monitoring Deficit === The deterioration of the site was not being tracked through substructure inspection. Enhanced monitoring was installed in December 2025, presenting as proactive stewardship in TfNSW’s public communications, but the fact that real-time structural monitoring was not in place on a known-risk heritage asset carrying primary freight traffic until three months before catastrophic failure indicates an inspection and asset management programme that had not matched its cadence to the risk profile of the structure. === The Announcement-Commitment Gap === The bypass tunnel cancellation is the most politically visible element of the state-level failure, but it sits within a longer pattern of interrupted commitment on the Great Western Highway that substantially predates the Minns government. A prime example of “strategic misrepresentation” in megaproject approval, where proponents deliberately underestimate costs and overestimate benefits to secure political commitment, knowing the commitment will not survive contact with delivery (Flyvberj, 2013)<ref name=":0">{{Cite web |last=Flyvbjerg |first=Bent |date=2013-03-20 |title=Survival of the Unfittest: Why the Worst Infrastructure Gets Built, And What We Can Do about It |url=https://arxiv.org/abs/1303.6571v1 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=arXiv.org |language=en |doi=10.48550/arXiv.1303.6571}}</ref>. Australian governments are prone to announcing projects they have no realistic intention of building within their term, generating regional goodwill at low political cost, while deferring the fiscal and delivery burden to successors who then cancel and repeat the cycle. Flyvbjerg identifies systematic problems in the development process, whereby proponents intentionally misrepresent information and deliberately disregard risks, instigating projects that result in fewer benefits and higher costs than promised (Flyvberj, 2013) <ref name=":0" />. The inverse also applies: announced projects that were always underfunded relative to delivery requirements. This is evident in the proposed twin-tunnel upgrade for the Great Western Highway. In the September 2023 state budget, the Minns government reallocated state funding commitments for the upgrade. In November 2023, the federal government confirmed it would also reallocate its funding commitment, redirecting it to other priorities (TfNSW, 2024) <ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2023-01-30 |title=Blackheath to Little Hartley Upgrade |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/node/19457 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.transport.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref>. The tunnels were formally cancelled in favour of softer commitments. The causeway failed six weeks later. The planning investment was sunk, but the corridor problem it was designed to solve remained. Transport for NSW ultimately paused all work on upgrades to the Great Western Highway between Katoomba and Lithgow, apart from the Medlow Bath and Coxs River Road upgrades, with state and federal funding commitments redirected to other projects (TfNSW, 2026) <ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2023-01-30 |title=Great Western Highway |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/node/19470 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.transport.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref>. === Metro Spending Bias === Sydney Metro alone comprised over a quarter of NSW’s total four-year infrastructure spend in the 2023–24 budget, at $24.9 billion over four years (Infrastructure Partnerships Australia, 2023) <ref>{{Cite web |last=https://www.tophamguerin.com |date=2023-12-18 |title=Australian Infrastructure Budget Monitor 2023-24 |url=https://infrastructure.org.au/policy-research/major-reports/australian-infrastructure-budget-monitor-2023-24/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Infrastructure Partnerships Australia |language=en-US}}</ref>. The bulk of NSW road funding was directed toward the Western Harbour Tunnel and Princes Highway Corridor. The same organisation went on to note that NSW may experience a deficit in the medium to long-term regional pipeline (Infrastructure Partnerships Australia, 2024) <ref>{{Cite web |last=https://www.tophamguerin.com |date=2024-10-24 |title=Australian Infrastructure Budget Monitor 2024-25 |url=https://infrastructure.org.au/policy-research/major-reports/australian-infrastructure-budget-monitor-2024-25/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Infrastructure Partnerships Australia |language=en-US}}</ref>. The Great Western Highway bypass, at a total project cost estimated at $12 billion over an eight-to-ten year build, was cancelled due to being ‘fiscally unachievable’ in the same budget environment that continued to fund cost overruns in the Greater Sydney metropolitan area. The Sydney Metro City and Southwest line alone exceeded its original budget by approximately $5.1 billion, yet an additional $1 billion in interim funding was allocated to the project. Metropolitan projects concentrate benefits in large, media-visible electorates, while regional corridor projects benefit smaller, dispersed populations. Successive budgets treated the Great Western Highway as a maintenance problem rather than a capital investment priority, while overruns in metro-context projects were absorbed without similar scrutiny. This asymmetry was flagged explicitly before the 2023 election, arguing that Labor’s stated intention to redirect Great Western Highway funding to Western Sydney infrastructure would leave the Central West without a safe and productive link to Sydney (Lachlan Shire Council, 2023) <ref>{{Cite web |title=Regional transport and roads could decide State Election |url=https://www.lachlan.nsw.gov.au/News-articles/Regional-transport-and-roads-could-decide-State-Election |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.lachlan.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref>. === Short-Termism and the Electoral Cycle === Major transport infrastructure in Australia runs on a 10–15 year development and delivery horizon. NSW state electoral terms run to four years. No government that announces a major regional infrastructure project opens it. The announcement is the political event; delivery is not. Political short-termism is formally defined in the literature as the systematic prioritisation of short-term net policy benefits over long-term outcomes, hindering policy investments that impose short-term costs on society to address long-term challenges (Ogami, 2024) <ref name=":1">{{Cite journal |last=Ogami |first=Masakazu |date=2024-05-02 |title=The Conditionality of Political Short‐Termism: A Review of Empirical and Experimental Studies |url=https://www.cogitatiopress.com/politicsandgovernance/article/view/7764 |journal=Politics and Governance |language=en |volume=12 |issue=0 |doi=10.17645/pag.7764 |issn=2183-2463}}</ref>. Infrastructure costs are immediate, visible, and attributable; benefits are diffuse, delayed, and frequently credited to successors. The short-term actor announces rather than builds, the incoming government cancels an adversary’s political monument. Contributing traits such as short electoral cycles, voters’ discounting of future policy benefits, and partisanship are particularly acute in the Australian context of short electoral terms and adversarial two-party politics (Ogami, 2024) <ref name=":1" />. There is no institutional obligation on a NSW government to honour prior infrastructure commitments not yet under contract. Independent authorities have no more than advisory power over infrastructure pipelines. Infrastructure NSW and Infrastructure Australia can recommend and prioritise, but not prevent the government from redirecting committed funding upon taking office. === Heritage-Infrastructure Compatibility Framework === The heritage listing at Victoria Pass was the correct cultural heritage decision. However, the systematic framework for assessing and managing compatibility and longevity of heritage-listed infrastructures continues to be absent. The NSW Heritage Act 1977 and its associated guidelines do not require ongoing assessment of whether a listed asset’s structural characteristics remain compatible with the loads placed upon it, or mandate intervention thresholds short of emergency conditions. The NSW State Infrastructure Strategy 2018–2038 recommended introducing an asset management policy with a new assurance model, but its focus was on capital growth and network efficiency, with no meaningful attention on infrastructure compatibility (Affan, 2019) <ref>{{Cite journal |last=Affan |first=Rami |date=10 June, 2019 |title=Getting asset management right: a new framework |url=https://127.0.0.1/getting-asset-management-right-a-new-framework/ |journal=Infrastructure Journal}}</ref>. The gap is not owned by a single agency: Heritage NSW administers the listing conditions; Transport for NSW manages the asset; Treasury funds maintenance allocations. All of which are not required to jointly assess whether a heritage listing, a loading profile, and a maintenance budget are mutually compatible over time. === The Procurement Model and Policy Continuity === Love et. al. argue that the traditional procurement model used by Australian state governments fails to deliver expected benefits for large-scale transport projects, and that a focused policy-making pathway is largely absent. Especially in future-proofing complex infrastructure assets against unanticipated changes in load, use, or structural condition (Love et. al., 2021) <ref>{{Cite journal |date=2021-12-01 |title=A procurement policy-making pathway to future-proof large-scale transport infrastructure assets |url=https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S073988592100041X |journal=Research in Transportation Economics |language=en-US |volume=90 |pages=101069 |doi=10.1016/j.retrec.2021.101069 |issn=0739-8859}}</ref>. The structural consequence is that major transport assets are managed transactionally, without a long-horizon framework for assessing when a structure has moved beyond the envelope of maintainability and requires replacement or bypass. Mitchell’s Causeway is the reductio ad absurdum of this model: a structure well past its design life, carrying loads it was never intended for, preserved by heritage listing from the interventions that would have resolved the incompatibility, and sustained by a maintenance programme that could not address what the listing prevented. Politicisation, inconsistent engagement, and short-termism undermine public trust, and erode reform capability in Australian infrastructure governance. These barriers are embedded in the institutional design of the system, not attributable to the decisions of particular governments (ANU, 2025) <ref>{{Cite web |title=Strengthening Australia's capacity for policy reform {{!}} ANU Institute for Infrastructure in Society |url=https://infrastructure.anu.edu.au/strengthening-australias-capacity-policy-reform |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=infrastructure.anu.edu.au}}</ref>. == Narrative of the case == The Convict Bridge, also known as Mitchell’s Causeway, highlights a classic infrastructure paradox: a historically significant asset continues to perform a modern, high-demand transport function long after its design life has expired. Built in 1832 under the supervision of Major Thomas Mitchell<ref>{{Citation |title=Mitchell's Causeway |date=2026-05-20 |url=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mitchell%27s_Causeway&oldid=1355157766 |work=Wikipedia |access-date=2026-05-23 |language=en}}</ref>, during the colonial era using convict labor, the bridge is one of Australia’s earliest and most significant transport assets. For almost two centuries, it has played a vital role in connecting communities across the Blue Mountains and supporting movement between Sydney and inland New South Wales. The structure itself was an engineering achievement for its time. Rather than a conventional bridge, Mitchell’s Causeway was designed as a massive sandstone retaining embankment built across a natural depression between escarpment outcrops. Convict laborers manually quarried sandstone, constructed retaining walls, and filled the interior with rubble and earth to create a level transport platform. Some of the original convict engravings remain visible on the sandstone blocks today, reinforcing the site’s cultural and historical significance. At the time of its heritage listing, the structure was recognized as one of the few substantial surviving stone causeways from the early colonial era in New South Wales<ref>{{Citation |title=Mitchell's Causeway |date=2026-05-20 |url=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mitchell%27s_Causeway&oldid=1355157766 |work=Wikipedia |access-date=2026-05-23 |language=en}}</ref> . Over time, the bridge became an essential transport link within the regional road network. However, its original design was never intended to accommodate the heavy traffic volumes and vehicle loads associated with contemporary transport systems. The bridge later became integrated into the Great Western Highway network as motor vehicle ownership increased during the twentieth century. As decades passed, increasing pressure placed stress on the sandstone retaining walls and the underlying structure. Although engineers had identified signs of deterioration in earlier years, intervention was limited due to heritage restrictions and funding priorities. As a result, most works focused on surface-level upgrades rather than major structural improvements. Eventually, geotechnical instability emerged, with reports identifying movement in retaining walls and buttresses<ref>{{Cite web |title= |url=https://www.nationaltrust.org.au/conservation-landscape-mitchells-causeway/? |access-date= |website=}}</ref> . Concerns intensified in late 2025 when local stakeholders warned that the bridge could potentially fail under modern loading conditions. Despite these warnings, immediate policy action was limited. Instead, authorities relied primarily on monitoring technologies, reflecting a reactive rather than preventative approach to infrastructure management<ref>{{Cite journal |last= |first= |date= |title=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-10/great-western-highway-convict-bridge-closed/106432242 |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-10/great-western-highway-convict-bridge-closed/106432242 |journal= |language=en-AU}}</ref> . The situation escalated on 5 March 2026 when Transport for NSW identified defects in the road surface of Mitchell’s Causeway. Initial investigations revealed movement within the structure, leading authorities to close the eastbound lane while geotechnical monitoring commenced. However, within days, additional stress fractures and visible cracking appeared across the roadway surface, indicating that the problem extended beyond superficial pavement damage. On 8 March 2026, the bridge was fully closed to all traffic, including emergency services, due to fears of major structural instability. The closure immediately disrupted a major transport corridor used by approximately 12,000 people daily and forced motorists and freight operators to take lengthy detours<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-13 |title=“We will not risk lives”: Extra rail and transport services to be rolled out as Great Western Highway closure to remain in place for at least three months {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. The closure immediately exposed the vulnerability of regional transport connectivity in New South Wales. With Victoria Pass shut, traffic was diverted through alternative routes such as Darling Causeway and Bells Line of Road. These detour routes were not designed to accommodate the redirected freight volumes and experienced substantial congestion, safety risks, and increased travel times.. Communities across Lithgow, Mount Victoria, and the Central West experienced longer travel times, economic impacts, and reduced accessibility, while freight transport became less efficient and more expensive<ref>{{Cite news |last=Buckley |first=Penry |last2=Larkin |first2=Jack |date=2026-03-13 |title=A key Blue Mountains road closure is blowing out travel times – and causing ‘red hot anger’ among locals |language=en-GB |work=The Guardian |url=https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2026/mar/14/blue-mountains-road-convict-bridge-closure-nsw-travel |access-date=2026-05-22 |issn=0261-3077}}</ref> . Importantly, the incident demonstrated how vulnerable regional transport systems in New South Wales can become when they depend heavily on a single piece of infrastructure. Alternative routes, including the Bells Line of Road, were not designed to accommodate the sudden increase in redirected freight and traffic volumes, creating additional congestion and safety concerns<ref>{{Cite web |title=Client Challenge |url=https://www.hawkesburygazette.com/victoria-pass-closure-sends-shockwaves-along-blor-to-richmond-and-beyond/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.hawkesburygazette.com}}</ref>. The closure also generated broader public debate about infrastructure resilience and government planning. Critics argued that authorities had relied too heavily on reactive management approaches rather than proactive infrastructure renewal. While Transport for NSW rapidly deployed monitoring systems, commissioned geotechnical investigations, and introduced additional public transport services, these responses primarily addressed the immediate operational consequences rather than the underlying structural problems. From a governance perspective, the response further underscores systemic weaknesses. While the NSW Government implemented short-term mitigation measures for example increased public transport services—these actions addressed symptoms rather than underlying causes. Following the closure, the NSW Government initiated an accelerated engineering procurement process to identify possible repair or replacement solutions. Engineering firms from Australia and overseas were invited to submit proposals aimed at restoring the corridor while preserving heritage considerations. Government agencies acknowledged that any future solution would likely involve substantial reconstruction and modern reinforcement to meet current transport demands and resilience standards <ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-05-05 |title=Great Western Highway fix in sight almost 60 days after road shut |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-05/great-western-highway-solution/106641888 |access-date=2026-05-23}}</ref>. The urgency of post-failure engineering procurement highlights how crisis conditions often accelerate decision-making that had been deferred under normal circumstances<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-13 |title=“We will not risk lives”: Extra rail and transport services to be rolled out as Great Western Highway closure to remain in place for at least three months {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Ultimately, the Convict Bridge case reflects a wider issue in infrastructure planning and asset management: the disconnect between long-term infrastructure needs and short-term political, financial, and policy constraints. Rather than being an unexpected failure, closure can be understood as the result of years of deferred intervention, competing priorities between heritage preservation and operational performance, and limited proactive investment in resilient transport infrastructure. ==Discussion Questions== 1: Is the announcement-commitment gap a failure of political will, or an inevitable product of democratic institutional design? 2: Did the heritage listing of Victoria Pass serve the public interest, or did it subordinate infrastructure safety to cultural preservation in a way that was never transparently debated? 3: Existing Cost-Benefit Analysis process justifies projects based on actual usage and density, which is naturally unfavorable for infrastructure funding in regional and remote areas, how can we close this gap? 4: The causeway’s failure was physically gradual but politically sudden, and it can be traced back to the absence of political accountability. What measures can be put in place in the existing decision making framework that will meaningfully mitigate this? ==Further reading== '''1. Transport for NSW. (2023). ''Crossing the Blue Mountains: The Great Western Road'''''<ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport |title=Crossing the Blue Mountains |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/system/files/media/documents/2023/crossing_the_blue_mountains_the_great_western_road.pdf}}</ref> '''.''' Official NSW Government historical report on the development of transport infrastructure across the Blue Mountains. '''2. Project Gutenberg Australia. ''Three Expeditions into the Interior of Eastern Australia – Thomas Mitchell''''' <ref>{{Cite web |title=Three Expeditions into the Interior V2 |url=https://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks/e00036.html |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=gutenberg.net.au}}</ref>'''.''' Historical primary source documenting early colonial exploration and road development. 3. '''Sydney to Central West Corridors White Paper (Transport for NSW)'''<ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2025-12-03 |title=Sydney to Central West Corridors White Paper |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/node/31741 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.transport.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref> A strategic planning document assessing capacity, safety, and resilience challenges along the Great Western Highway and alternative routes. 4. '''Australia’s Longest Road Tunnel Proposal – Blue Mountains'''<ref>{{Cite web |last=Walker |first=Nicole |date=2022-05-23 |title=Australia's longest road tunnel through Blue Mountains |url=https://concreteinstitute.com.au/australias-longest-road-tunnel-through-blue-mountains/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Concrete Institute of Australia |language=en-AU}}</ref> Discusses proposed large-scale infrastructure solutions to improve safety, reduce travel times, and increase resilience. 5. '''Salah, R.; Szép, J.; Ajtayné Károlyfi, K.; Géczy, N. An Investigation of Historic Transportation Infrastructure Preservation and Improvement through Historic Building Information Modeling. ''Infrastructures'' 2024, ''9'', 114''' . ==References {{BookCat}}== qhpob2eh3c0ejuruqmzqdayte87jkl6 4637129 4637122 2026-05-23T06:43:46Z ~2026-30584-14 3591855 /* Identification of policy issues */ 4637129 wikitext text/x-wiki == Summary == In early March 2026, Mitchell's Causeway at Victoria Pass suffered serious structural damage, abruptly closing a critical highway link between Sydney and the Central West. Known locally as the Convict Bridge, the causeway carries the Great Western Highway between Little Hartley and Mount Victoria, where around 12,000 vehicles normally passed each day <ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-05-05 |title=Great Western Highway fix in sight almost 60 days after road shut |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-05/great-western-highway-solution/106641888 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. Once the road closed, that traffic had to move through longer and less suitable mountain detours. The problem was not just that an old bridge cracked. More uncomfortable is the fact that this old bridge was still doing the job of a modern strategic road. Mitchell's Causeway is historically valuable because it remains a rare example of colonial road engineering. Heritage NSW records that the Victoria Pass Causeway was built between 1829 and 1832 and has retained much of its original form and fabric<ref>{{Cite web |title=Victoria Pass {{!}} Heritage NSW |url=https://apps.environment.nsw.gov.au/dpcheritageapp/ViewHeritageItemDetails.aspx?ID=4301023 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=apps.environment.nsw.gov.au}}</ref>. That heritage value matters, but it also makes the present-day transport problem harder. A normal road asset can be rebuilt with fewer constraints; a convict-built causeway on the State Heritage Register cannot be treated so casually. Safety, heritage and traffic function all sit on the same narrow piece of road. By April, geotechnical work had confirmed that the issue was deeper than surface pavement damage. Minister Jenny Aitchison said the fill underneath the road had deteriorated and that there were "voids and gaps" within the causeway structure<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-04-10 |title=Minister says there is no 'proper timetable' for reopening NSW highway |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-10/great-western-highway-geotechnical-study-shows-gaps-under-road/106549768 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. Earlier warning signs also matter here. ABC reported that local business groups had raised concerns about the safety and durability of the Convict Bridge before the closure, while broader corridor planning had already identified reliability problems at Victoria Pass<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-10 |title=Government warned now-closed 'horse and cart' Convict Bridge unfit for modern traffic |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-10/great-western-highway-convict-bridge-closed/106432242 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. In other words, the shutdown did not come from nowhere. Official advice suggested that the Darling Causeway and Bells Line of Road detour could add up to 25 minutes to a Blue Mountains crossing<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-13 |title=“We will not risk lives”: Extra rail and transport services to be rolled out as Great Western Highway closure to remain in place for at least three months {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. That figure is tidy, but real life was not. For a person making one flexible trip, 25 minutes may be manageable. For students, workers, freight drivers, medical trips and small businesses relying on passing traffic, the cost was repeated every day. The detour became part of people's routines, not just a line in a traffic update. The state moved quickly once the road was closed. Extra rail, coach and school bus services followed, agencies formed an incident management team, and the government committed A$50 million to improving detour routes such as Darling Causeway, Chifley Road and Lithgow Main Street<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-25 |title=Minns Government commits $50 million to strengthen detour routes during Great Western Highway closure {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/minns-government-commits-50-million-to-strengthen-detour-routes-during-great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Later, Transport for NSW received ten engineering submissions and shortlisted consortia led by Seymour Whyte and Gamuda to develop repair options<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-05-13 |title=Two engineering solutions shortlisted to restore Great Western Highway at Victoria Pass {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/victoria-pass-engineering-solutions-shortlisted |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Those responses were necessary. Yet their timing is hard to ignore: the detour network became urgent only after the main route had already failed. In short, this is less a heritage repair problem than a failure of transport resilience: a known vulnerable link lacked a robust fallback before it failed. The road can eventually reopen, but reopening alone will not explain why that fallback was missing. == Annotated list of factors == {| class="wikitable" ! Actor / Stakeholder group ! Role in the case ! Main interests, concerns and policy relevance |- | '''Transport for NSW, engineers and heritage specialists''' | Led the operational response, including road closure, monitoring, detours and technical assessment. | Transport for NSW had to prioritise public safety once movement was detected at Mitchell’s Causeway. The closure itself was difficult to dispute, but the harder issue sits before the closure: whether the agency had clear enough trigger points for earlier intervention, especially after local concerns about the bridge’s safety had already been raised(Heritage NSW, n.d.). |- | '''Heritage NSW and conservation interests''' | Defined the heritage value of Victoria Pass Causeway and shaped the limits of repair. | Heritage NSW gives the site its historical weight. The causeway matters because much of its colonial engineering remains legible, but that is exactly what complicates repair. Current policy protects the heritage asset, yet it does not clearly answer how that asset should function when it is still part of a freight and commuter route (Heritage NSW, n.d.). |- | '''NSW Government, Minister Jenny Aitchison and the repair decision''' | Managed the political response, public messaging, funding and repair procurement. | The government’s safety-first message was reasonable, but it also narrowed the public conversation. Once the issue was framed mainly as “do not risk lives,” less attention was given to why a known fragile cross-mountain link had no pre-prepared detour capacity strong enough to absorb the failure. The repair decision also has to balance speed, durability, cost, heritage approval and political pressure<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-05-13 |title=Two engineering solutions shortlisted to restore Great Western Highway at Victoria Pass {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/victoria-pass-engineering-solutions-shortlisted |language=en-AU}}</ref>. |- | '''Those who carried the cost: communities, businesses, councils and freight''' | Experienced the practical impacts of the closure on daily travel, local trade and freight movement. | The closure landed unevenly. Local councils had to manage congestion and road wear even though the highway was a state responsibility<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-25 |title=Minns Government commits $50 million to strengthen detour routes during Great Western Highway closure {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/minns-government-commits-50-million-to-strengthen-detour-routes-during-great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Families faced longer school and work trips. Businesses lost customers who used to arrive because the highway brought them past the front door. Freight users were pushed onto less suitable routes through Lithgow, Chifley Road, Darling Causeway and Bells Line of Road<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-05-05 |title=Great Western Highway fix in sight almost 60 days after road shut |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-05/great-western-highway-solution/106641888 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | '''NSW Reconstruction Authority and the Community Coordination Taskforce''' | Coordinated communication between government, councils, industry and affected communities. | The taskforce gave councils, industry and community groups a clearer contact point during the disruption. Its role was narrower than Transport for NSW’s technical role, but it showed how unusual the closure was: the event did not fit neatly into normal disaster arrangements, while affected towns experienced it as a major regional disruption<ref>{{Cite journal |last=Authority |first=NSW Reconstruction |date=2026-03-19 |title=New Taskforce to coordinate support for Great Western Highway communities {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/new-taskforce-to-coordinate-support-for-great-western-highway-communities-0 |language=en-AU}}</ref>. |} == Timeline of events == {| class="wikitable" |+ Timeline of Victoria Pass (Convict Bridge) and 2026 Great Western Highway Events ! Period / Date !! Event !! Description |- | 1829–1833 || Planning, construction and early completion of Victoria Pass (Convict Bridge) || Surveyor-General Thomas Mitchell planned the western route over the Blue Mountains (1829–1830). Construction of Victoria Pass and associated sandstone structures, including the Convict Bridge, began in 1830 using convict labour. The route opened in 1832, providing a key connection between Sydney and the Central West. Final completion works and early repairs continued through 1832–1833 due to steep terrain, engineering constraints, and early structural challenges (NSW Government, n.d.)<ref>{{Cite web |title=Victoria Pass {{!}} Heritage NSW |url=https://apps.environment.nsw.gov.au/dpcheritageapp/ViewHeritageItemDetails.aspx?id=4301023 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=apps.environment.nsw.gov.au}}</ref>. |- | 2007 || Heritage listing || The Victoria Pass precinct, including the Convict Bridge area, was listed on the New South Wales State Heritage Register (NSW Government, n.d.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Victoria Pass {{!}} Heritage NSW |url=https://apps.environment.nsw.gov.au/dpcheritageapp/ViewHeritageItemDetails.aspx?ID=4301023 |access-date=2026-05-23 |website=apps.environment.nsw.gov.au}}</ref>). |- | Early March 2026 || Structural concerns identified || Cracking and instability were identified at the Victoria Pass section of the Great Western Highway (ABC, 2026)<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-19 |title=Highway closure not a 'natural' disaster, NSW government says |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-19/great-western-highway-taskforce/106471918 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | 19 March 2026 || Taskforce established || NSW Government established a multi-agency taskforce to manage response and disruption impacts (ABC, 2026)<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-19 |title=Highway closure not a 'natural' disaster, NSW government says |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-19/great-western-highway-taskforce/106471918 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | 25 March 2026 || Detour funding announced || A $50 million package was announced to upgrade key detour routes including Bells Line of Road, Chifley Road, and Darling Causeway (ABC, 2026<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-25 |title=$50m for Great Western Highway detour routes, as road remains 'unstable' |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-25/funding-to-maintain-detour-roads-in-great-western-highway/106495330 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>). |- | Late March 2026 || Highway closure || The affected section of the highway was closed due to escalating safety risks from structural instability. |- | 10 April 2026 || Geotechnical investigations || Investigations confirmed subsurface voids and significant ground instability beneath the roadway (ABC, 2026)<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-04-10 |title=Minister says there is no 'proper timetable' for reopening NSW highway |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-10/great-western-highway-geotechnical-study-shows-gaps-under-road/106549768 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | April 2026 || Monitoring phase || Ongoing monitoring and assessment of structural conditions continued while long-term solutions were evaluated. |- | 5 May 2026 || Engineering solutions shortlisted || Engineering options were shortlisted for detailed evaluation, progressing toward the design phase (ABC, 2026<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-05-05 |title=Great Western Highway fix in sight almost 60 days after road shut |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-05/great-western-highway-solution/106641888 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>). |} == Maps of locations == The Great Western Highway is a major transport corridor connecting Sydney to western New South Wales through the Blue Mountains. The failure occurred at Victoria Pass, a steep and historically significant section of the route. Key locations include Victoria Pass (failure point), Mitchell’s Causeway / Convict Bridge area (structural weakness zone), Bells Line of Road (northern detour), Chifley Road (southern detour), and Lithgow approaches (traffic redistribution routes) (ABC, 2026).<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-25 |title=$50m for Great Western Highway detour routes, as road remains 'unstable' |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-25/funding-to-maintain-detour-roads-in-great-western-highway/106495330 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref> Traffic has been diverted across these alternative routes, increasing congestion and travel times across the Blue Mountains corridor due to closure of the primary highway link. == Identification of policy issues == === Heritage Listing as Structural Lock-In === The NSW Heritage Act 1977 establishes the State Heritage Register and defines conditions under which listed assets may be altered. The heritage listing for Victoria Pass and Berghofers Pass includes exemptions only for specific works, including emergency stabilisation activities where a structure has been damaged and poses a safety risk. Everything below that threshold falls outside permissible intervention under normal conditions, including the urgently required structural reinforcement of a masonry retained embankment that has been overly exposed to loads beyond its structural capacity. The fundamental incompatibility between a rubble-filled sandstone embankment and 12,000 vehicles per day (including semi-trailer trucks) could not be easily addressed by Transport for NSW without interventions the listing prohibited. Heritage listing without a parallel structural compatibility assessment has converted the bridge from a living piece of infrastructure into a frozen liability. The asset must be preserved as-is while continuing to carry loads it cannot tolerate, with intervention only permitted after the point of failure. The NSW Government’s own geotechnical investigations confirmed that the 200-year-old fill had deteriorated significantly, creating voids and gaps throughout the substructure. It was even acknowledged that without enhanced monitoring installed in late 2025, the structure could have collapsed before defects were detected (NSW Government, 2026)<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-04-10 |title=Geotechnical data to inform long-term solution for Great Western Highway {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/geotechnical-data-to-inform-long-term-solution-for-great-western-highway |language=en-AU}}</ref>. That monitoring was installed three months before failure on a structure that had been carrying highway-grade traffic for over a century. It indicates that the asset management program was operating reactively rather than condition-based mode at this site. === The Substructure Monitoring Deficit === The deterioration of the site was not being tracked through substructure inspection. Enhanced monitoring was installed in December 2025, presenting as proactive stewardship in TfNSW’s public communications, but the fact that real-time structural monitoring was not in place on a known-risk heritage asset carrying primary freight traffic until three months before catastrophic failure indicates an inspection and asset management programme that had not matched its cadence to the risk profile of the structure. === The Announcement-Commitment Gap === The bypass tunnel cancellation is the most politically visible element of the state-level failure, but it sits within a longer pattern of interrupted commitment on the Great Western Highway that substantially predates the Minns government. A prime example of “strategic misrepresentation” in megaproject approval, where proponents deliberately underestimate costs and overestimate benefits to secure political commitment, knowing the commitment will not survive contact with delivery (Flyvberj, 2013)<ref name=":0">{{Cite web |last=Flyvbjerg |first=Bent |date=2013-03-20 |title=Survival of the Unfittest: Why the Worst Infrastructure Gets Built, And What We Can Do about It |url=https://arxiv.org/abs/1303.6571v1 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=arXiv.org |language=en |doi=10.48550/arXiv.1303.6571}}</ref>. Australian governments are prone to announcing projects they have no realistic intention of building within their term, generating regional goodwill at low political cost, while deferring the fiscal and delivery burden to successors who then cancel and repeat the cycle. Flyvbjerg identifies systematic problems in the development process, whereby proponents intentionally misrepresent information and deliberately disregard risks, instigating projects that result in fewer benefits and higher costs than promised (Flyvberj, 2013) <ref name=":0" />. The inverse also applies: announced projects that were always underfunded relative to delivery requirements. This is evident in the proposed twin-tunnel upgrade for the Great Western Highway. In the September 2023 state budget, the Minns government reallocated state funding commitments for the upgrade. In November 2023, the federal government confirmed it would also reallocate its funding commitment, redirecting it to other priorities (TfNSW, 2024) <ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2023-01-30 |title=Blackheath to Little Hartley Upgrade |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/node/19457 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.transport.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref>. The tunnels were formally cancelled in favour of softer commitments. The causeway failed six weeks later. The planning investment was sunk, but the corridor problem it was designed to solve remained. Transport for NSW ultimately paused all work on upgrades to the Great Western Highway between Katoomba and Lithgow, apart from the Medlow Bath and Coxs River Road upgrades, with state and federal funding commitments redirected to other projects (TfNSW, 2026) <ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2023-01-30 |title=Great Western Highway |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/node/19470 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.transport.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref>. === Metro Spending Bias === Sydney Metro alone comprised over a quarter of NSW’s total four-year infrastructure spend in the 2023–24 budget, at $24.9 billion over four years (Infrastructure Partnerships Australia, 2023) <ref>{{Cite web |last=https://www.tophamguerin.com |date=2023-12-18 |title=Australian Infrastructure Budget Monitor 2023-24 |url=https://infrastructure.org.au/policy-research/major-reports/australian-infrastructure-budget-monitor-2023-24/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Infrastructure Partnerships Australia |language=en-US}}</ref>. The bulk of NSW road funding was directed toward the Western Harbour Tunnel and Princes Highway Corridor. The same organisation went on to note that NSW may experience a deficit in the medium to long-term regional pipeline (Infrastructure Partnerships Australia, 2024) <ref>{{Cite web |last=https://www.tophamguerin.com |date=2024-10-24 |title=Australian Infrastructure Budget Monitor 2024-25 |url=https://infrastructure.org.au/policy-research/major-reports/australian-infrastructure-budget-monitor-2024-25/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Infrastructure Partnerships Australia |language=en-US}}</ref>. The Great Western Highway bypass, at a total project cost estimated at $12 billion over an eight-to-ten year build, was cancelled due to being ‘fiscally unachievable’ in the same budget environment that continued to fund cost overruns in the Greater Sydney metropolitan area. The Sydney Metro City and Southwest line alone exceeded its original budget by approximately $5.1 billion, yet an additional $1 billion in interim funding was allocated to the project. Metropolitan projects concentrate benefits in large, media-visible electorates, while regional corridor projects benefit smaller, dispersed populations. Successive budgets treated the Great Western Highway as a maintenance problem rather than a capital investment priority, while overruns in metro-context projects were absorbed without similar scrutiny. This asymmetry was flagged explicitly before the 2023 election, arguing that Labor’s stated intention to redirect Great Western Highway funding to Western Sydney infrastructure would leave the Central West without a safe and productive link to Sydney (Lachlan Shire Council, 2023) <ref>{{Cite web |title=Regional transport and roads could decide State Election |url=https://www.lachlan.nsw.gov.au/News-articles/Regional-transport-and-roads-could-decide-State-Election |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.lachlan.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref>. === Short-Termism and the Electoral Cycle === Major transport infrastructure in Australia runs on a 10–15 year development and delivery horizon. NSW state electoral terms run to four years. No government that announces a major regional infrastructure project opens it. The announcement is the political event; delivery is not. Political short-termism is formally defined in the literature as the systematic prioritisation of short-term net policy benefits over long-term outcomes, hindering policy investments that impose short-term costs on society to address long-term challenges (Ogami, 2024) <ref name=":1">{{Cite journal |last=Ogami |first=Masakazu |date=2024-05-02 |title=The Conditionality of Political Short‐Termism: A Review of Empirical and Experimental Studies |url=https://www.cogitatiopress.com/politicsandgovernance/article/view/7764 |journal=Politics and Governance |language=en |volume=12 |issue=0 |doi=10.17645/pag.7764 |issn=2183-2463}}</ref>. Infrastructure costs are immediate, visible, and attributable; benefits are diffuse, delayed, and frequently credited to successors. The short-term actor announces rather than builds, the incoming government cancels an adversary’s political monument. Contributing traits such as short electoral cycles, voters’ discounting of future policy benefits, and partisanship are particularly acute in the Australian context of short electoral terms and adversarial two-party politics (Ogami, 2024) <ref name=":1" />. There is no institutional obligation on a NSW government to honour prior infrastructure commitments not yet under contract. Independent authorities have no more than advisory power over infrastructure pipelines. Infrastructure NSW and Infrastructure Australia can recommend and prioritise, but not prevent the government from redirecting committed funding upon taking office. === Heritage-Infrastructure Compatibility Framework === The heritage listing at Victoria Pass was the correct cultural heritage decision. However, the systematic framework for assessing and managing compatibility and longevity of heritage-listed infrastructures continues to be absent. The NSW Heritage Act 1977 and its associated guidelines do not require ongoing assessment of whether a listed asset’s structural characteristics remain compatible with the loads placed upon it, or mandate intervention thresholds short of emergency conditions. The NSW State Infrastructure Strategy 2018–2038 recommended introducing an asset management policy with a new assurance model, but its focus was on capital growth and network efficiency, with no meaningful attention on infrastructure compatibility (Affan, 2019) <ref>{{Cite journal |last=Affan |first=Rami |date=10 June, 2019 |title=Getting asset management right: a new framework |url=https://127.0.0.1/getting-asset-management-right-a-new-framework/ |journal=Infrastructure Journal}}</ref>. The gap is not owned by a single agency: Heritage NSW administers the listing conditions; Transport for NSW manages the asset; Treasury funds maintenance allocations. All of which are not required to jointly assess whether a heritage listing, a loading profile, and a maintenance budget are mutually compatible over time. === The Procurement Model and Policy Continuity === Love et. al. argue that the traditional procurement model used by Australian state governments fails to deliver expected benefits for large-scale transport projects, and that a focused policy-making pathway is largely absent. Especially in future-proofing complex infrastructure assets against unanticipated changes in load, use, or structural condition (Love et. al., 2021) <ref>{{Cite journal |date=2021-12-01 |title=A procurement policy-making pathway to future-proof large-scale transport infrastructure assets |url=https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S073988592100041X |journal=Research in Transportation Economics |language=en-US |volume=90 |pages=101069 |doi=10.1016/j.retrec.2021.101069 |issn=0739-8859}}</ref>. The structural consequence is that major transport assets are managed transactionally, without a long-horizon framework for assessing when a structure has moved beyond the envelope of maintainability and requires replacement or bypass. Mitchell’s Causeway is the reductio ad absurdum of this model: a structure well past its design life, carrying loads it was never intended for, preserved by heritage listing from the interventions that would have resolved the incompatibility, and sustained by a maintenance programme that could not address what the listing prevented. Politicisation, inconsistent engagement, and short-termism undermine public trust, and erode reform capability in Australian infrastructure governance. These barriers are embedded in the institutional design of the system, not attributable to the decisions of particular governments (ANU, 2025) <ref>{{Cite web |title=Strengthening Australia's capacity for policy reform {{!}} ANU Institute for Infrastructure in Society |url=https://infrastructure.anu.edu.au/strengthening-australias-capacity-policy-reform |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=infrastructure.anu.edu.au}}</ref>. == Narrative of the case == The Convict Bridge, also known as Mitchell’s Causeway, highlights a classic infrastructure paradox: a historically significant asset continues to perform a modern, high-demand transport function long after its design life has expired. Built in 1832 under the supervision of Major Thomas Mitchell<ref>{{Citation |title=Mitchell's Causeway |date=2026-05-20 |url=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mitchell%27s_Causeway&oldid=1355157766 |work=Wikipedia |access-date=2026-05-23 |language=en}}</ref>, during the colonial era using convict labor, the bridge is one of Australia’s earliest and most significant transport assets. For almost two centuries, it has played a vital role in connecting communities across the Blue Mountains and supporting movement between Sydney and inland New South Wales. The structure itself was an engineering achievement for its time. Rather than a conventional bridge, Mitchell’s Causeway was designed as a massive sandstone retaining embankment built across a natural depression between escarpment outcrops. Convict laborers manually quarried sandstone, constructed retaining walls, and filled the interior with rubble and earth to create a level transport platform. Some of the original convict engravings remain visible on the sandstone blocks today, reinforcing the site’s cultural and historical significance. At the time of its heritage listing, the structure was recognized as one of the few substantial surviving stone causeways from the early colonial era in New South Wales<ref>{{Citation |title=Mitchell's Causeway |date=2026-05-20 |url=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mitchell%27s_Causeway&oldid=1355157766 |work=Wikipedia |access-date=2026-05-23 |language=en}}</ref> . Over time, the bridge became an essential transport link within the regional road network. However, its original design was never intended to accommodate the heavy traffic volumes and vehicle loads associated with contemporary transport systems. The bridge later became integrated into the Great Western Highway network as motor vehicle ownership increased during the twentieth century. As decades passed, increasing pressure placed stress on the sandstone retaining walls and the underlying structure. Although engineers had identified signs of deterioration in earlier years, intervention was limited due to heritage restrictions and funding priorities. As a result, most works focused on surface-level upgrades rather than major structural improvements. Eventually, geotechnical instability emerged, with reports identifying movement in retaining walls and buttresses<ref>{{Cite web |title= |url=https://www.nationaltrust.org.au/conservation-landscape-mitchells-causeway/? |access-date= |website=}}</ref> . Concerns intensified in late 2025 when local stakeholders warned that the bridge could potentially fail under modern loading conditions. Despite these warnings, immediate policy action was limited. Instead, authorities relied primarily on monitoring technologies, reflecting a reactive rather than preventative approach to infrastructure management<ref>{{Cite journal |last= |first= |date= |title=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-10/great-western-highway-convict-bridge-closed/106432242 |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-10/great-western-highway-convict-bridge-closed/106432242 |journal= |language=en-AU}}</ref> . The situation escalated on 5 March 2026 when Transport for NSW identified defects in the road surface of Mitchell’s Causeway. Initial investigations revealed movement within the structure, leading authorities to close the eastbound lane while geotechnical monitoring commenced. However, within days, additional stress fractures and visible cracking appeared across the roadway surface, indicating that the problem extended beyond superficial pavement damage. On 8 March 2026, the bridge was fully closed to all traffic, including emergency services, due to fears of major structural instability. The closure immediately disrupted a major transport corridor used by approximately 12,000 people daily and forced motorists and freight operators to take lengthy detours<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-13 |title=“We will not risk lives”: Extra rail and transport services to be rolled out as Great Western Highway closure to remain in place for at least three months {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. The closure immediately exposed the vulnerability of regional transport connectivity in New South Wales. With Victoria Pass shut, traffic was diverted through alternative routes such as Darling Causeway and Bells Line of Road. These detour routes were not designed to accommodate the redirected freight volumes and experienced substantial congestion, safety risks, and increased travel times.. Communities across Lithgow, Mount Victoria, and the Central West experienced longer travel times, economic impacts, and reduced accessibility, while freight transport became less efficient and more expensive<ref>{{Cite news |last=Buckley |first=Penry |last2=Larkin |first2=Jack |date=2026-03-13 |title=A key Blue Mountains road closure is blowing out travel times – and causing ‘red hot anger’ among locals |language=en-GB |work=The Guardian |url=https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2026/mar/14/blue-mountains-road-convict-bridge-closure-nsw-travel |access-date=2026-05-22 |issn=0261-3077}}</ref> . Importantly, the incident demonstrated how vulnerable regional transport systems in New South Wales can become when they depend heavily on a single piece of infrastructure. Alternative routes, including the Bells Line of Road, were not designed to accommodate the sudden increase in redirected freight and traffic volumes, creating additional congestion and safety concerns<ref>{{Cite web |title=Client Challenge |url=https://www.hawkesburygazette.com/victoria-pass-closure-sends-shockwaves-along-blor-to-richmond-and-beyond/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.hawkesburygazette.com}}</ref>. The closure also generated broader public debate about infrastructure resilience and government planning. Critics argued that authorities had relied too heavily on reactive management approaches rather than proactive infrastructure renewal. While Transport for NSW rapidly deployed monitoring systems, commissioned geotechnical investigations, and introduced additional public transport services, these responses primarily addressed the immediate operational consequences rather than the underlying structural problems. From a governance perspective, the response further underscores systemic weaknesses. While the NSW Government implemented short-term mitigation measures for example increased public transport services—these actions addressed symptoms rather than underlying causes. Following the closure, the NSW Government initiated an accelerated engineering procurement process to identify possible repair or replacement solutions. Engineering firms from Australia and overseas were invited to submit proposals aimed at restoring the corridor while preserving heritage considerations. Government agencies acknowledged that any future solution would likely involve substantial reconstruction and modern reinforcement to meet current transport demands and resilience standards <ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-05-05 |title=Great Western Highway fix in sight almost 60 days after road shut |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-05/great-western-highway-solution/106641888 |access-date=2026-05-23}}</ref>. The urgency of post-failure engineering procurement highlights how crisis conditions often accelerate decision-making that had been deferred under normal circumstances<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-13 |title=“We will not risk lives”: Extra rail and transport services to be rolled out as Great Western Highway closure to remain in place for at least three months {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Ultimately, the Convict Bridge case reflects a wider issue in infrastructure planning and asset management: the disconnect between long-term infrastructure needs and short-term political, financial, and policy constraints. Rather than being an unexpected failure, closure can be understood as the result of years of deferred intervention, competing priorities between heritage preservation and operational performance, and limited proactive investment in resilient transport infrastructure. ==Discussion Questions== 1: Is the announcement-commitment gap a failure of political will, or an inevitable product of democratic institutional design? 2: Did the heritage listing of Victoria Pass serve the public interest, or did it subordinate infrastructure safety to cultural preservation in a way that was never transparently debated? 3: Existing Cost-Benefit Analysis process justifies projects based on actual usage and density, which is naturally unfavorable for infrastructure funding in regional and remote areas, how can we close this gap? 4: The causeway’s failure was physically gradual but politically sudden, and it can be traced back to the absence of political accountability. What measures can be put in place in the existing decision making framework that will meaningfully mitigate this? ==Further reading== '''1. Transport for NSW. (2023). ''Crossing the Blue Mountains: The Great Western Road'''''<ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport |title=Crossing the Blue Mountains |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/system/files/media/documents/2023/crossing_the_blue_mountains_the_great_western_road.pdf}}</ref> '''.''' Official NSW Government historical report on the development of transport infrastructure across the Blue Mountains. '''2. Project Gutenberg Australia. ''Three Expeditions into the Interior of Eastern Australia – Thomas Mitchell''''' <ref>{{Cite web |title=Three Expeditions into the Interior V2 |url=https://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks/e00036.html |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=gutenberg.net.au}}</ref>'''.''' Historical primary source documenting early colonial exploration and road development. 3. '''Sydney to Central West Corridors White Paper (Transport for NSW)'''<ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2025-12-03 |title=Sydney to Central West Corridors White Paper |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/node/31741 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.transport.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref> A strategic planning document assessing capacity, safety, and resilience challenges along the Great Western Highway and alternative routes. 4. '''Australia’s Longest Road Tunnel Proposal – Blue Mountains'''<ref>{{Cite web |last=Walker |first=Nicole |date=2022-05-23 |title=Australia's longest road tunnel through Blue Mountains |url=https://concreteinstitute.com.au/australias-longest-road-tunnel-through-blue-mountains/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Concrete Institute of Australia |language=en-AU}}</ref> Discusses proposed large-scale infrastructure solutions to improve safety, reduce travel times, and increase resilience. 5. '''Salah, R.; Szép, J.; Ajtayné Károlyfi, K.; Géczy, N. An Investigation of Historic Transportation Infrastructure Preservation and Improvement through Historic Building Information Modeling. ''Infrastructures'' 2024, ''9'', 114''' . ==References {{BookCat}}== muod7ulvibs6hz9f47jfjcobkhl3emr 4637130 4637129 2026-05-23T06:51:11Z Jdon9815 3592001 /* Maps of locations */ 4637130 wikitext text/x-wiki == Summary == In early March 2026, Mitchell's Causeway at Victoria Pass suffered serious structural damage, abruptly closing a critical highway link between Sydney and the Central West. Known locally as the Convict Bridge, the causeway carries the Great Western Highway between Little Hartley and Mount Victoria, where around 12,000 vehicles normally passed each day <ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-05-05 |title=Great Western Highway fix in sight almost 60 days after road shut |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-05/great-western-highway-solution/106641888 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. Once the road closed, that traffic had to move through longer and less suitable mountain detours. The problem was not just that an old bridge cracked. More uncomfortable is the fact that this old bridge was still doing the job of a modern strategic road. Mitchell's Causeway is historically valuable because it remains a rare example of colonial road engineering. Heritage NSW records that the Victoria Pass Causeway was built between 1829 and 1832 and has retained much of its original form and fabric<ref>{{Cite web |title=Victoria Pass {{!}} Heritage NSW |url=https://apps.environment.nsw.gov.au/dpcheritageapp/ViewHeritageItemDetails.aspx?ID=4301023 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=apps.environment.nsw.gov.au}}</ref>. That heritage value matters, but it also makes the present-day transport problem harder. A normal road asset can be rebuilt with fewer constraints; a convict-built causeway on the State Heritage Register cannot be treated so casually. Safety, heritage and traffic function all sit on the same narrow piece of road. By April, geotechnical work had confirmed that the issue was deeper than surface pavement damage. Minister Jenny Aitchison said the fill underneath the road had deteriorated and that there were "voids and gaps" within the causeway structure<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-04-10 |title=Minister says there is no 'proper timetable' for reopening NSW highway |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-10/great-western-highway-geotechnical-study-shows-gaps-under-road/106549768 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. Earlier warning signs also matter here. ABC reported that local business groups had raised concerns about the safety and durability of the Convict Bridge before the closure, while broader corridor planning had already identified reliability problems at Victoria Pass<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-10 |title=Government warned now-closed 'horse and cart' Convict Bridge unfit for modern traffic |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-10/great-western-highway-convict-bridge-closed/106432242 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. In other words, the shutdown did not come from nowhere. Official advice suggested that the Darling Causeway and Bells Line of Road detour could add up to 25 minutes to a Blue Mountains crossing<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-13 |title=“We will not risk lives”: Extra rail and transport services to be rolled out as Great Western Highway closure to remain in place for at least three months {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. That figure is tidy, but real life was not. For a person making one flexible trip, 25 minutes may be manageable. For students, workers, freight drivers, medical trips and small businesses relying on passing traffic, the cost was repeated every day. The detour became part of people's routines, not just a line in a traffic update. The state moved quickly once the road was closed. Extra rail, coach and school bus services followed, agencies formed an incident management team, and the government committed A$50 million to improving detour routes such as Darling Causeway, Chifley Road and Lithgow Main Street<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-25 |title=Minns Government commits $50 million to strengthen detour routes during Great Western Highway closure {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/minns-government-commits-50-million-to-strengthen-detour-routes-during-great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Later, Transport for NSW received ten engineering submissions and shortlisted consortia led by Seymour Whyte and Gamuda to develop repair options<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-05-13 |title=Two engineering solutions shortlisted to restore Great Western Highway at Victoria Pass {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/victoria-pass-engineering-solutions-shortlisted |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Those responses were necessary. Yet their timing is hard to ignore: the detour network became urgent only after the main route had already failed. In short, this is less a heritage repair problem than a failure of transport resilience: a known vulnerable link lacked a robust fallback before it failed. The road can eventually reopen, but reopening alone will not explain why that fallback was missing. == Annotated list of factors == {| class="wikitable" ! Actor / Stakeholder group ! Role in the case ! Main interests, concerns and policy relevance |- | '''Transport for NSW, engineers and heritage specialists''' | Led the operational response, including road closure, monitoring, detours and technical assessment. | Transport for NSW had to prioritise public safety once movement was detected at Mitchell’s Causeway. The closure itself was difficult to dispute, but the harder issue sits before the closure: whether the agency had clear enough trigger points for earlier intervention, especially after local concerns about the bridge’s safety had already been raised(Heritage NSW, n.d.). |- | '''Heritage NSW and conservation interests''' | Defined the heritage value of Victoria Pass Causeway and shaped the limits of repair. | Heritage NSW gives the site its historical weight. The causeway matters because much of its colonial engineering remains legible, but that is exactly what complicates repair. Current policy protects the heritage asset, yet it does not clearly answer how that asset should function when it is still part of a freight and commuter route (Heritage NSW, n.d.). |- | '''NSW Government, Minister Jenny Aitchison and the repair decision''' | Managed the political response, public messaging, funding and repair procurement. | The government’s safety-first message was reasonable, but it also narrowed the public conversation. Once the issue was framed mainly as “do not risk lives,” less attention was given to why a known fragile cross-mountain link had no pre-prepared detour capacity strong enough to absorb the failure. The repair decision also has to balance speed, durability, cost, heritage approval and political pressure<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-05-13 |title=Two engineering solutions shortlisted to restore Great Western Highway at Victoria Pass {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/victoria-pass-engineering-solutions-shortlisted |language=en-AU}}</ref>. |- | '''Those who carried the cost: communities, businesses, councils and freight''' | Experienced the practical impacts of the closure on daily travel, local trade and freight movement. | The closure landed unevenly. Local councils had to manage congestion and road wear even though the highway was a state responsibility<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-25 |title=Minns Government commits $50 million to strengthen detour routes during Great Western Highway closure {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/minns-government-commits-50-million-to-strengthen-detour-routes-during-great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Families faced longer school and work trips. Businesses lost customers who used to arrive because the highway brought them past the front door. Freight users were pushed onto less suitable routes through Lithgow, Chifley Road, Darling Causeway and Bells Line of Road<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-05-05 |title=Great Western Highway fix in sight almost 60 days after road shut |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-05/great-western-highway-solution/106641888 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | '''NSW Reconstruction Authority and the Community Coordination Taskforce''' | Coordinated communication between government, councils, industry and affected communities. | The taskforce gave councils, industry and community groups a clearer contact point during the disruption. Its role was narrower than Transport for NSW’s technical role, but it showed how unusual the closure was: the event did not fit neatly into normal disaster arrangements, while affected towns experienced it as a major regional disruption<ref>{{Cite journal |last=Authority |first=NSW Reconstruction |date=2026-03-19 |title=New Taskforce to coordinate support for Great Western Highway communities {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/new-taskforce-to-coordinate-support-for-great-western-highway-communities-0 |language=en-AU}}</ref>. |} == Timeline of events == {| class="wikitable" |+ Timeline of Victoria Pass (Convict Bridge) and 2026 Great Western Highway Events ! Period / Date !! Event !! Description |- | 1829–1833 || Planning, construction and early completion of Victoria Pass (Convict Bridge) || Surveyor-General Thomas Mitchell planned the western route over the Blue Mountains (1829–1830). Construction of Victoria Pass and associated sandstone structures, including the Convict Bridge, began in 1830 using convict labour. The route opened in 1832, providing a key connection between Sydney and the Central West. Final completion works and early repairs continued through 1832–1833 due to steep terrain, engineering constraints, and early structural challenges (NSW Government, n.d.)<ref>{{Cite web |title=Victoria Pass {{!}} Heritage NSW |url=https://apps.environment.nsw.gov.au/dpcheritageapp/ViewHeritageItemDetails.aspx?id=4301023 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=apps.environment.nsw.gov.au}}</ref>. |- | 2007 || Heritage listing || The Victoria Pass precinct, including the Convict Bridge area, was listed on the New South Wales State Heritage Register (NSW Government, n.d.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Victoria Pass {{!}} Heritage NSW |url=https://apps.environment.nsw.gov.au/dpcheritageapp/ViewHeritageItemDetails.aspx?ID=4301023 |access-date=2026-05-23 |website=apps.environment.nsw.gov.au}}</ref>). |- | Early March 2026 || Structural concerns identified || Cracking and instability were identified at the Victoria Pass section of the Great Western Highway (ABC, 2026)<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-19 |title=Highway closure not a 'natural' disaster, NSW government says |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-19/great-western-highway-taskforce/106471918 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | 19 March 2026 || Taskforce established || NSW Government established a multi-agency taskforce to manage response and disruption impacts (ABC, 2026)<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-19 |title=Highway closure not a 'natural' disaster, NSW government says |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-19/great-western-highway-taskforce/106471918 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | 25 March 2026 || Detour funding announced || A $50 million package was announced to upgrade key detour routes including Bells Line of Road, Chifley Road, and Darling Causeway (ABC, 2026<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-25 |title=$50m for Great Western Highway detour routes, as road remains 'unstable' |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-25/funding-to-maintain-detour-roads-in-great-western-highway/106495330 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>). |- | Late March 2026 || Highway closure || The affected section of the highway was closed due to escalating safety risks from structural instability. |- | 10 April 2026 || Geotechnical investigations || Investigations confirmed subsurface voids and significant ground instability beneath the roadway (ABC, 2026)<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-04-10 |title=Minister says there is no 'proper timetable' for reopening NSW highway |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-10/great-western-highway-geotechnical-study-shows-gaps-under-road/106549768 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | April 2026 || Monitoring phase || Ongoing monitoring and assessment of structural conditions continued while long-term solutions were evaluated. |- | 5 May 2026 || Engineering solutions shortlisted || Engineering options were shortlisted for detailed evaluation, progressing toward the design phase (ABC, 2026<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-05-05 |title=Great Western Highway fix in sight almost 60 days after road shut |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-05/great-western-highway-solution/106641888 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>). |} == Maps of locations == The Great Western Highway is a major transport corridor connecting Sydney to western New South Wales through the Blue Mountains. The failure occurred at Victoria Pass, a steep and historically significant section of the route. Key locations include Victoria Pass (failure point), Mitchell’s Causeway / Convict Bridge area (structural weakness zone), Bells Line of Road (northern detour), Chifley Road (southern detour), and Lithgow approaches (traffic redistribution routes) (ABC, 2026).<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-25 |title=$50m for Great Western Highway detour routes, as road remains 'unstable' |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-25/funding-to-maintain-detour-roads-in-great-western-highway/106495330 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref> Traffic has been diverted across these alternative routes, increasing congestion and travel times across the Blue Mountains corridor due to closure of the primary highway link. [[File:Convict Bridge Location - 23 May 2026.jpg|thumb|This map shows the location of the Convict Bridge]] == Identification of policy issues == === Heritage Listing as Structural Lock-In === The NSW Heritage Act 1977 establishes the State Heritage Register and defines conditions under which listed assets may be altered. The heritage listing for Victoria Pass and Berghofers Pass includes exemptions only for specific works, including emergency stabilisation activities where a structure has been damaged and poses a safety risk. Everything below that threshold falls outside permissible intervention under normal conditions, including the urgently required structural reinforcement of a masonry retained embankment that has been overly exposed to loads beyond its structural capacity. The fundamental incompatibility between a rubble-filled sandstone embankment and 12,000 vehicles per day (including semi-trailer trucks) could not be easily addressed by Transport for NSW without interventions the listing prohibited. Heritage listing without a parallel structural compatibility assessment has converted the bridge from a living piece of infrastructure into a frozen liability. The asset must be preserved as-is while continuing to carry loads it cannot tolerate, with intervention only permitted after the point of failure. The NSW Government’s own geotechnical investigations confirmed that the 200-year-old fill had deteriorated significantly, creating voids and gaps throughout the substructure. It was even acknowledged that without enhanced monitoring installed in late 2025, the structure could have collapsed before defects were detected (NSW Government, 2026)<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-04-10 |title=Geotechnical data to inform long-term solution for Great Western Highway {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/geotechnical-data-to-inform-long-term-solution-for-great-western-highway |language=en-AU}}</ref>. That monitoring was installed three months before failure on a structure that had been carrying highway-grade traffic for over a century. It indicates that the asset management program was operating reactively rather than condition-based mode at this site. === The Substructure Monitoring Deficit === The deterioration of the site was not being tracked through substructure inspection. Enhanced monitoring was installed in December 2025, presenting as proactive stewardship in TfNSW’s public communications, but the fact that real-time structural monitoring was not in place on a known-risk heritage asset carrying primary freight traffic until three months before catastrophic failure indicates an inspection and asset management programme that had not matched its cadence to the risk profile of the structure. === The Announcement-Commitment Gap === The bypass tunnel cancellation is the most politically visible element of the state-level failure, but it sits within a longer pattern of interrupted commitment on the Great Western Highway that substantially predates the Minns government. A prime example of “strategic misrepresentation” in megaproject approval, where proponents deliberately underestimate costs and overestimate benefits to secure political commitment, knowing the commitment will not survive contact with delivery (Flyvberj, 2013)<ref name=":0">{{Cite web |last=Flyvbjerg |first=Bent |date=2013-03-20 |title=Survival of the Unfittest: Why the Worst Infrastructure Gets Built, And What We Can Do about It |url=https://arxiv.org/abs/1303.6571v1 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=arXiv.org |language=en |doi=10.48550/arXiv.1303.6571}}</ref>. Australian governments are prone to announcing projects they have no realistic intention of building within their term, generating regional goodwill at low political cost, while deferring the fiscal and delivery burden to successors who then cancel and repeat the cycle. Flyvbjerg identifies systematic problems in the development process, whereby proponents intentionally misrepresent information and deliberately disregard risks, instigating projects that result in fewer benefits and higher costs than promised (Flyvberj, 2013) <ref name=":0" />. The inverse also applies: announced projects that were always underfunded relative to delivery requirements. This is evident in the proposed twin-tunnel upgrade for the Great Western Highway. In the September 2023 state budget, the Minns government reallocated state funding commitments for the upgrade. In November 2023, the federal government confirmed it would also reallocate its funding commitment, redirecting it to other priorities (TfNSW, 2024) <ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2023-01-30 |title=Blackheath to Little Hartley Upgrade |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/node/19457 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.transport.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref>. The tunnels were formally cancelled in favour of softer commitments. The causeway failed six weeks later. The planning investment was sunk, but the corridor problem it was designed to solve remained. Transport for NSW ultimately paused all work on upgrades to the Great Western Highway between Katoomba and Lithgow, apart from the Medlow Bath and Coxs River Road upgrades, with state and federal funding commitments redirected to other projects (TfNSW, 2026) <ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2023-01-30 |title=Great Western Highway |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/node/19470 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.transport.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref>. === Metro Spending Bias === Sydney Metro alone comprised over a quarter of NSW’s total four-year infrastructure spend in the 2023–24 budget, at $24.9 billion over four years (Infrastructure Partnerships Australia, 2023) <ref>{{Cite web |last=https://www.tophamguerin.com |date=2023-12-18 |title=Australian Infrastructure Budget Monitor 2023-24 |url=https://infrastructure.org.au/policy-research/major-reports/australian-infrastructure-budget-monitor-2023-24/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Infrastructure Partnerships Australia |language=en-US}}</ref>. The bulk of NSW road funding was directed toward the Western Harbour Tunnel and Princes Highway Corridor. The same organisation went on to note that NSW may experience a deficit in the medium to long-term regional pipeline (Infrastructure Partnerships Australia, 2024) <ref>{{Cite web |last=https://www.tophamguerin.com |date=2024-10-24 |title=Australian Infrastructure Budget Monitor 2024-25 |url=https://infrastructure.org.au/policy-research/major-reports/australian-infrastructure-budget-monitor-2024-25/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Infrastructure Partnerships Australia |language=en-US}}</ref>. The Great Western Highway bypass, at a total project cost estimated at $12 billion over an eight-to-ten year build, was cancelled due to being ‘fiscally unachievable’ in the same budget environment that continued to fund cost overruns in the Greater Sydney metropolitan area. The Sydney Metro City and Southwest line alone exceeded its original budget by approximately $5.1 billion, yet an additional $1 billion in interim funding was allocated to the project. Metropolitan projects concentrate benefits in large, media-visible electorates, while regional corridor projects benefit smaller, dispersed populations. Successive budgets treated the Great Western Highway as a maintenance problem rather than a capital investment priority, while overruns in metro-context projects were absorbed without similar scrutiny. This asymmetry was flagged explicitly before the 2023 election, arguing that Labor’s stated intention to redirect Great Western Highway funding to Western Sydney infrastructure would leave the Central West without a safe and productive link to Sydney (Lachlan Shire Council, 2023) <ref>{{Cite web |title=Regional transport and roads could decide State Election |url=https://www.lachlan.nsw.gov.au/News-articles/Regional-transport-and-roads-could-decide-State-Election |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.lachlan.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref>. === Short-Termism and the Electoral Cycle === Major transport infrastructure in Australia runs on a 10–15 year development and delivery horizon. NSW state electoral terms run to four years. No government that announces a major regional infrastructure project opens it. The announcement is the political event; delivery is not. Political short-termism is formally defined in the literature as the systematic prioritisation of short-term net policy benefits over long-term outcomes, hindering policy investments that impose short-term costs on society to address long-term challenges (Ogami, 2024) <ref name=":1">{{Cite journal |last=Ogami |first=Masakazu |date=2024-05-02 |title=The Conditionality of Political Short‐Termism: A Review of Empirical and Experimental Studies |url=https://www.cogitatiopress.com/politicsandgovernance/article/view/7764 |journal=Politics and Governance |language=en |volume=12 |issue=0 |doi=10.17645/pag.7764 |issn=2183-2463}}</ref>. Infrastructure costs are immediate, visible, and attributable; benefits are diffuse, delayed, and frequently credited to successors. The short-term actor announces rather than builds, the incoming government cancels an adversary’s political monument. Contributing traits such as short electoral cycles, voters’ discounting of future policy benefits, and partisanship are particularly acute in the Australian context of short electoral terms and adversarial two-party politics (Ogami, 2024) <ref name=":1" />. There is no institutional obligation on a NSW government to honour prior infrastructure commitments not yet under contract. Independent authorities have no more than advisory power over infrastructure pipelines. Infrastructure NSW and Infrastructure Australia can recommend and prioritise, but not prevent the government from redirecting committed funding upon taking office. === Heritage-Infrastructure Compatibility Framework === The heritage listing at Victoria Pass was the correct cultural heritage decision. However, the systematic framework for assessing and managing compatibility and longevity of heritage-listed infrastructures continues to be absent. The NSW Heritage Act 1977 and its associated guidelines do not require ongoing assessment of whether a listed asset’s structural characteristics remain compatible with the loads placed upon it, or mandate intervention thresholds short of emergency conditions. The NSW State Infrastructure Strategy 2018–2038 recommended introducing an asset management policy with a new assurance model, but its focus was on capital growth and network efficiency, with no meaningful attention on infrastructure compatibility (Affan, 2019) <ref>{{Cite journal |last=Affan |first=Rami |date=10 June, 2019 |title=Getting asset management right: a new framework |url=https://127.0.0.1/getting-asset-management-right-a-new-framework/ |journal=Infrastructure Journal}}</ref>. The gap is not owned by a single agency: Heritage NSW administers the listing conditions; Transport for NSW manages the asset; Treasury funds maintenance allocations. All of which are not required to jointly assess whether a heritage listing, a loading profile, and a maintenance budget are mutually compatible over time. === The Procurement Model and Policy Continuity === Love et. al. argue that the traditional procurement model used by Australian state governments fails to deliver expected benefits for large-scale transport projects, and that a focused policy-making pathway is largely absent. Especially in future-proofing complex infrastructure assets against unanticipated changes in load, use, or structural condition (Love et. al., 2021) <ref>{{Cite journal |date=2021-12-01 |title=A procurement policy-making pathway to future-proof large-scale transport infrastructure assets |url=https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S073988592100041X |journal=Research in Transportation Economics |language=en-US |volume=90 |pages=101069 |doi=10.1016/j.retrec.2021.101069 |issn=0739-8859}}</ref>. The structural consequence is that major transport assets are managed transactionally, without a long-horizon framework for assessing when a structure has moved beyond the envelope of maintainability and requires replacement or bypass. Mitchell’s Causeway is the reductio ad absurdum of this model: a structure well past its design life, carrying loads it was never intended for, preserved by heritage listing from the interventions that would have resolved the incompatibility, and sustained by a maintenance programme that could not address what the listing prevented. Politicisation, inconsistent engagement, and short-termism undermine public trust, and erode reform capability in Australian infrastructure governance. These barriers are embedded in the institutional design of the system, not attributable to the decisions of particular governments (ANU, 2025) <ref>{{Cite web |title=Strengthening Australia's capacity for policy reform {{!}} ANU Institute for Infrastructure in Society |url=https://infrastructure.anu.edu.au/strengthening-australias-capacity-policy-reform |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=infrastructure.anu.edu.au}}</ref>. == Narrative of the case == The Convict Bridge, also known as Mitchell’s Causeway, highlights a classic infrastructure paradox: a historically significant asset continues to perform a modern, high-demand transport function long after its design life has expired. Built in 1832 under the supervision of Major Thomas Mitchell<ref>{{Citation |title=Mitchell's Causeway |date=2026-05-20 |url=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mitchell%27s_Causeway&oldid=1355157766 |work=Wikipedia |access-date=2026-05-23 |language=en}}</ref>, during the colonial era using convict labor, the bridge is one of Australia’s earliest and most significant transport assets. For almost two centuries, it has played a vital role in connecting communities across the Blue Mountains and supporting movement between Sydney and inland New South Wales. The structure itself was an engineering achievement for its time. Rather than a conventional bridge, Mitchell’s Causeway was designed as a massive sandstone retaining embankment built across a natural depression between escarpment outcrops. Convict laborers manually quarried sandstone, constructed retaining walls, and filled the interior with rubble and earth to create a level transport platform. Some of the original convict engravings remain visible on the sandstone blocks today, reinforcing the site’s cultural and historical significance. At the time of its heritage listing, the structure was recognized as one of the few substantial surviving stone causeways from the early colonial era in New South Wales<ref>{{Citation |title=Mitchell's Causeway |date=2026-05-20 |url=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mitchell%27s_Causeway&oldid=1355157766 |work=Wikipedia |access-date=2026-05-23 |language=en}}</ref> . Over time, the bridge became an essential transport link within the regional road network. However, its original design was never intended to accommodate the heavy traffic volumes and vehicle loads associated with contemporary transport systems. The bridge later became integrated into the Great Western Highway network as motor vehicle ownership increased during the twentieth century. As decades passed, increasing pressure placed stress on the sandstone retaining walls and the underlying structure. Although engineers had identified signs of deterioration in earlier years, intervention was limited due to heritage restrictions and funding priorities. As a result, most works focused on surface-level upgrades rather than major structural improvements. Eventually, geotechnical instability emerged, with reports identifying movement in retaining walls and buttresses<ref>{{Cite web |title= |url=https://www.nationaltrust.org.au/conservation-landscape-mitchells-causeway/? |access-date= |website=}}</ref> . Concerns intensified in late 2025 when local stakeholders warned that the bridge could potentially fail under modern loading conditions. Despite these warnings, immediate policy action was limited. Instead, authorities relied primarily on monitoring technologies, reflecting a reactive rather than preventative approach to infrastructure management<ref>{{Cite journal |last= |first= |date= |title=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-10/great-western-highway-convict-bridge-closed/106432242 |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-10/great-western-highway-convict-bridge-closed/106432242 |journal= |language=en-AU}}</ref> . The situation escalated on 5 March 2026 when Transport for NSW identified defects in the road surface of Mitchell’s Causeway. Initial investigations revealed movement within the structure, leading authorities to close the eastbound lane while geotechnical monitoring commenced. However, within days, additional stress fractures and visible cracking appeared across the roadway surface, indicating that the problem extended beyond superficial pavement damage. On 8 March 2026, the bridge was fully closed to all traffic, including emergency services, due to fears of major structural instability. The closure immediately disrupted a major transport corridor used by approximately 12,000 people daily and forced motorists and freight operators to take lengthy detours<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-13 |title=“We will not risk lives”: Extra rail and transport services to be rolled out as Great Western Highway closure to remain in place for at least three months {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. The closure immediately exposed the vulnerability of regional transport connectivity in New South Wales. With Victoria Pass shut, traffic was diverted through alternative routes such as Darling Causeway and Bells Line of Road. These detour routes were not designed to accommodate the redirected freight volumes and experienced substantial congestion, safety risks, and increased travel times.. Communities across Lithgow, Mount Victoria, and the Central West experienced longer travel times, economic impacts, and reduced accessibility, while freight transport became less efficient and more expensive<ref>{{Cite news |last=Buckley |first=Penry |last2=Larkin |first2=Jack |date=2026-03-13 |title=A key Blue Mountains road closure is blowing out travel times – and causing ‘red hot anger’ among locals |language=en-GB |work=The Guardian |url=https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2026/mar/14/blue-mountains-road-convict-bridge-closure-nsw-travel |access-date=2026-05-22 |issn=0261-3077}}</ref> . Importantly, the incident demonstrated how vulnerable regional transport systems in New South Wales can become when they depend heavily on a single piece of infrastructure. Alternative routes, including the Bells Line of Road, were not designed to accommodate the sudden increase in redirected freight and traffic volumes, creating additional congestion and safety concerns<ref>{{Cite web |title=Client Challenge |url=https://www.hawkesburygazette.com/victoria-pass-closure-sends-shockwaves-along-blor-to-richmond-and-beyond/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.hawkesburygazette.com}}</ref>. The closure also generated broader public debate about infrastructure resilience and government planning. Critics argued that authorities had relied too heavily on reactive management approaches rather than proactive infrastructure renewal. While Transport for NSW rapidly deployed monitoring systems, commissioned geotechnical investigations, and introduced additional public transport services, these responses primarily addressed the immediate operational consequences rather than the underlying structural problems. From a governance perspective, the response further underscores systemic weaknesses. While the NSW Government implemented short-term mitigation measures for example increased public transport services—these actions addressed symptoms rather than underlying causes. Following the closure, the NSW Government initiated an accelerated engineering procurement process to identify possible repair or replacement solutions. Engineering firms from Australia and overseas were invited to submit proposals aimed at restoring the corridor while preserving heritage considerations. Government agencies acknowledged that any future solution would likely involve substantial reconstruction and modern reinforcement to meet current transport demands and resilience standards <ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-05-05 |title=Great Western Highway fix in sight almost 60 days after road shut |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-05/great-western-highway-solution/106641888 |access-date=2026-05-23}}</ref>. The urgency of post-failure engineering procurement highlights how crisis conditions often accelerate decision-making that had been deferred under normal circumstances<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-13 |title=“We will not risk lives”: Extra rail and transport services to be rolled out as Great Western Highway closure to remain in place for at least three months {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Ultimately, the Convict Bridge case reflects a wider issue in infrastructure planning and asset management: the disconnect between long-term infrastructure needs and short-term political, financial, and policy constraints. Rather than being an unexpected failure, closure can be understood as the result of years of deferred intervention, competing priorities between heritage preservation and operational performance, and limited proactive investment in resilient transport infrastructure. ==Discussion Questions== 1: Is the announcement-commitment gap a failure of political will, or an inevitable product of democratic institutional design? 2: Did the heritage listing of Victoria Pass serve the public interest, or did it subordinate infrastructure safety to cultural preservation in a way that was never transparently debated? 3: Existing Cost-Benefit Analysis process justifies projects based on actual usage and density, which is naturally unfavorable for infrastructure funding in regional and remote areas, how can we close this gap? 4: The causeway’s failure was physically gradual but politically sudden, and it can be traced back to the absence of political accountability. What measures can be put in place in the existing decision making framework that will meaningfully mitigate this? ==Further reading== '''1. Transport for NSW. (2023). ''Crossing the Blue Mountains: The Great Western Road'''''<ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport |title=Crossing the Blue Mountains |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/system/files/media/documents/2023/crossing_the_blue_mountains_the_great_western_road.pdf}}</ref> '''.''' Official NSW Government historical report on the development of transport infrastructure across the Blue Mountains. '''2. Project Gutenberg Australia. ''Three Expeditions into the Interior of Eastern Australia – Thomas Mitchell''''' <ref>{{Cite web |title=Three Expeditions into the Interior V2 |url=https://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks/e00036.html |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=gutenberg.net.au}}</ref>'''.''' Historical primary source documenting early colonial exploration and road development. 3. '''Sydney to Central West Corridors White Paper (Transport for NSW)'''<ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2025-12-03 |title=Sydney to Central West Corridors White Paper |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/node/31741 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.transport.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref> A strategic planning document assessing capacity, safety, and resilience challenges along the Great Western Highway and alternative routes. 4. '''Australia’s Longest Road Tunnel Proposal – Blue Mountains'''<ref>{{Cite web |last=Walker |first=Nicole |date=2022-05-23 |title=Australia's longest road tunnel through Blue Mountains |url=https://concreteinstitute.com.au/australias-longest-road-tunnel-through-blue-mountains/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Concrete Institute of Australia |language=en-AU}}</ref> Discusses proposed large-scale infrastructure solutions to improve safety, reduce travel times, and increase resilience. 5. '''Salah, R.; Szép, J.; Ajtayné Károlyfi, K.; Géczy, N. An Investigation of Historic Transportation Infrastructure Preservation and Improvement through Historic Building Information Modeling. ''Infrastructures'' 2024, ''9'', 114''' . ==References {{BookCat}}== fdigpdrv6l8uyepoqddea1x4a0qil7a 4637151 4637130 2026-05-23T09:00:02Z Jdon9815 3592001 /* Maps of locations */ 4637151 wikitext text/x-wiki == Summary == In early March 2026, Mitchell's Causeway at Victoria Pass suffered serious structural damage, abruptly closing a critical highway link between Sydney and the Central West. Known locally as the Convict Bridge, the causeway carries the Great Western Highway between Little Hartley and Mount Victoria, where around 12,000 vehicles normally passed each day <ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-05-05 |title=Great Western Highway fix in sight almost 60 days after road shut |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-05/great-western-highway-solution/106641888 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. Once the road closed, that traffic had to move through longer and less suitable mountain detours. The problem was not just that an old bridge cracked. More uncomfortable is the fact that this old bridge was still doing the job of a modern strategic road. Mitchell's Causeway is historically valuable because it remains a rare example of colonial road engineering. Heritage NSW records that the Victoria Pass Causeway was built between 1829 and 1832 and has retained much of its original form and fabric<ref>{{Cite web |title=Victoria Pass {{!}} Heritage NSW |url=https://apps.environment.nsw.gov.au/dpcheritageapp/ViewHeritageItemDetails.aspx?ID=4301023 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=apps.environment.nsw.gov.au}}</ref>. That heritage value matters, but it also makes the present-day transport problem harder. A normal road asset can be rebuilt with fewer constraints; a convict-built causeway on the State Heritage Register cannot be treated so casually. Safety, heritage and traffic function all sit on the same narrow piece of road. By April, geotechnical work had confirmed that the issue was deeper than surface pavement damage. Minister Jenny Aitchison said the fill underneath the road had deteriorated and that there were "voids and gaps" within the causeway structure<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-04-10 |title=Minister says there is no 'proper timetable' for reopening NSW highway |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-10/great-western-highway-geotechnical-study-shows-gaps-under-road/106549768 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. Earlier warning signs also matter here. ABC reported that local business groups had raised concerns about the safety and durability of the Convict Bridge before the closure, while broader corridor planning had already identified reliability problems at Victoria Pass<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-10 |title=Government warned now-closed 'horse and cart' Convict Bridge unfit for modern traffic |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-10/great-western-highway-convict-bridge-closed/106432242 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. In other words, the shutdown did not come from nowhere. Official advice suggested that the Darling Causeway and Bells Line of Road detour could add up to 25 minutes to a Blue Mountains crossing<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-13 |title=“We will not risk lives”: Extra rail and transport services to be rolled out as Great Western Highway closure to remain in place for at least three months {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. That figure is tidy, but real life was not. For a person making one flexible trip, 25 minutes may be manageable. For students, workers, freight drivers, medical trips and small businesses relying on passing traffic, the cost was repeated every day. The detour became part of people's routines, not just a line in a traffic update. The state moved quickly once the road was closed. Extra rail, coach and school bus services followed, agencies formed an incident management team, and the government committed A$50 million to improving detour routes such as Darling Causeway, Chifley Road and Lithgow Main Street<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-25 |title=Minns Government commits $50 million to strengthen detour routes during Great Western Highway closure {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/minns-government-commits-50-million-to-strengthen-detour-routes-during-great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Later, Transport for NSW received ten engineering submissions and shortlisted consortia led by Seymour Whyte and Gamuda to develop repair options<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-05-13 |title=Two engineering solutions shortlisted to restore Great Western Highway at Victoria Pass {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/victoria-pass-engineering-solutions-shortlisted |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Those responses were necessary. Yet their timing is hard to ignore: the detour network became urgent only after the main route had already failed. In short, this is less a heritage repair problem than a failure of transport resilience: a known vulnerable link lacked a robust fallback before it failed. The road can eventually reopen, but reopening alone will not explain why that fallback was missing. == Annotated list of factors == {| class="wikitable" ! Actor / Stakeholder group ! Role in the case ! Main interests, concerns and policy relevance |- | '''Transport for NSW, engineers and heritage specialists''' | Led the operational response, including road closure, monitoring, detours and technical assessment. | Transport for NSW had to prioritise public safety once movement was detected at Mitchell’s Causeway. The closure itself was difficult to dispute, but the harder issue sits before the closure: whether the agency had clear enough trigger points for earlier intervention, especially after local concerns about the bridge’s safety had already been raised(Heritage NSW, n.d.). |- | '''Heritage NSW and conservation interests''' | Defined the heritage value of Victoria Pass Causeway and shaped the limits of repair. | Heritage NSW gives the site its historical weight. The causeway matters because much of its colonial engineering remains legible, but that is exactly what complicates repair. Current policy protects the heritage asset, yet it does not clearly answer how that asset should function when it is still part of a freight and commuter route (Heritage NSW, n.d.). |- | '''NSW Government, Minister Jenny Aitchison and the repair decision''' | Managed the political response, public messaging, funding and repair procurement. | The government’s safety-first message was reasonable, but it also narrowed the public conversation. Once the issue was framed mainly as “do not risk lives,” less attention was given to why a known fragile cross-mountain link had no pre-prepared detour capacity strong enough to absorb the failure. The repair decision also has to balance speed, durability, cost, heritage approval and political pressure<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-05-13 |title=Two engineering solutions shortlisted to restore Great Western Highway at Victoria Pass {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/victoria-pass-engineering-solutions-shortlisted |language=en-AU}}</ref>. |- | '''Those who carried the cost: communities, businesses, councils and freight''' | Experienced the practical impacts of the closure on daily travel, local trade and freight movement. | The closure landed unevenly. Local councils had to manage congestion and road wear even though the highway was a state responsibility<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-25 |title=Minns Government commits $50 million to strengthen detour routes during Great Western Highway closure {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/minns-government-commits-50-million-to-strengthen-detour-routes-during-great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Families faced longer school and work trips. Businesses lost customers who used to arrive because the highway brought them past the front door. Freight users were pushed onto less suitable routes through Lithgow, Chifley Road, Darling Causeway and Bells Line of Road<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-05-05 |title=Great Western Highway fix in sight almost 60 days after road shut |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-05/great-western-highway-solution/106641888 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | '''NSW Reconstruction Authority and the Community Coordination Taskforce''' | Coordinated communication between government, councils, industry and affected communities. | The taskforce gave councils, industry and community groups a clearer contact point during the disruption. Its role was narrower than Transport for NSW’s technical role, but it showed how unusual the closure was: the event did not fit neatly into normal disaster arrangements, while affected towns experienced it as a major regional disruption<ref>{{Cite journal |last=Authority |first=NSW Reconstruction |date=2026-03-19 |title=New Taskforce to coordinate support for Great Western Highway communities {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/new-taskforce-to-coordinate-support-for-great-western-highway-communities-0 |language=en-AU}}</ref>. |} == Timeline of events == {| class="wikitable" |+ Timeline of Victoria Pass (Convict Bridge) and 2026 Great Western Highway Events ! Period / Date !! Event !! Description |- | 1829–1833 || Planning, construction and early completion of Victoria Pass (Convict Bridge) || Surveyor-General Thomas Mitchell planned the western route over the Blue Mountains (1829–1830). Construction of Victoria Pass and associated sandstone structures, including the Convict Bridge, began in 1830 using convict labour. The route opened in 1832, providing a key connection between Sydney and the Central West. Final completion works and early repairs continued through 1832–1833 due to steep terrain, engineering constraints, and early structural challenges (NSW Government, n.d.)<ref>{{Cite web |title=Victoria Pass {{!}} Heritage NSW |url=https://apps.environment.nsw.gov.au/dpcheritageapp/ViewHeritageItemDetails.aspx?id=4301023 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=apps.environment.nsw.gov.au}}</ref>. |- | 2007 || Heritage listing || The Victoria Pass precinct, including the Convict Bridge area, was listed on the New South Wales State Heritage Register (NSW Government, n.d.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Victoria Pass {{!}} Heritage NSW |url=https://apps.environment.nsw.gov.au/dpcheritageapp/ViewHeritageItemDetails.aspx?ID=4301023 |access-date=2026-05-23 |website=apps.environment.nsw.gov.au}}</ref>). |- | Early March 2026 || Structural concerns identified || Cracking and instability were identified at the Victoria Pass section of the Great Western Highway (ABC, 2026)<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-19 |title=Highway closure not a 'natural' disaster, NSW government says |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-19/great-western-highway-taskforce/106471918 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | 19 March 2026 || Taskforce established || NSW Government established a multi-agency taskforce to manage response and disruption impacts (ABC, 2026)<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-19 |title=Highway closure not a 'natural' disaster, NSW government says |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-19/great-western-highway-taskforce/106471918 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | 25 March 2026 || Detour funding announced || A $50 million package was announced to upgrade key detour routes including Bells Line of Road, Chifley Road, and Darling Causeway (ABC, 2026<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-25 |title=$50m for Great Western Highway detour routes, as road remains 'unstable' |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-25/funding-to-maintain-detour-roads-in-great-western-highway/106495330 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>). |- | Late March 2026 || Highway closure || The affected section of the highway was closed due to escalating safety risks from structural instability. |- | 10 April 2026 || Geotechnical investigations || Investigations confirmed subsurface voids and significant ground instability beneath the roadway (ABC, 2026)<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-04-10 |title=Minister says there is no 'proper timetable' for reopening NSW highway |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-10/great-western-highway-geotechnical-study-shows-gaps-under-road/106549768 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | April 2026 || Monitoring phase || Ongoing monitoring and assessment of structural conditions continued while long-term solutions were evaluated. |- | 5 May 2026 || Engineering solutions shortlisted || Engineering options were shortlisted for detailed evaluation, progressing toward the design phase (ABC, 2026<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-05-05 |title=Great Western Highway fix in sight almost 60 days after road shut |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-05/great-western-highway-solution/106641888 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>). |} == Maps of locations == The Great Western Highway is a major transport corridor connecting Sydney to western New South Wales through the Blue Mountains. The failure occurred at Victoria Pass, a steep and historically significant section of the route. Key locations include Victoria Pass (failure point), Mitchell’s Causeway / Convict Bridge area (structural weakness zone), Bells Line of Road (northern detour), Chifley Road (southern detour), and Lithgow approaches (traffic redistribution routes) (ABC, 2026).<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-25 |title=$50m for Great Western Highway detour routes, as road remains 'unstable' |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-25/funding-to-maintain-detour-roads-in-great-western-highway/106495330 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref> Traffic has been diverted across these alternative routes, increasing congestion and travel times across the Blue Mountains corridor due to closure of the primary highway link. == Identification of policy issues == === Heritage Listing as Structural Lock-In === The NSW Heritage Act 1977 establishes the State Heritage Register and defines conditions under which listed assets may be altered. The heritage listing for Victoria Pass and Berghofers Pass includes exemptions only for specific works, including emergency stabilisation activities where a structure has been damaged and poses a safety risk. Everything below that threshold falls outside permissible intervention under normal conditions, including the urgently required structural reinforcement of a masonry retained embankment that has been overly exposed to loads beyond its structural capacity. The fundamental incompatibility between a rubble-filled sandstone embankment and 12,000 vehicles per day (including semi-trailer trucks) could not be easily addressed by Transport for NSW without interventions the listing prohibited. Heritage listing without a parallel structural compatibility assessment has converted the bridge from a living piece of infrastructure into a frozen liability. The asset must be preserved as-is while continuing to carry loads it cannot tolerate, with intervention only permitted after the point of failure. The NSW Government’s own geotechnical investigations confirmed that the 200-year-old fill had deteriorated significantly, creating voids and gaps throughout the substructure. It was even acknowledged that without enhanced monitoring installed in late 2025, the structure could have collapsed before defects were detected (NSW Government, 2026)<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-04-10 |title=Geotechnical data to inform long-term solution for Great Western Highway {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/geotechnical-data-to-inform-long-term-solution-for-great-western-highway |language=en-AU}}</ref>. That monitoring was installed three months before failure on a structure that had been carrying highway-grade traffic for over a century. It indicates that the asset management program was operating reactively rather than condition-based mode at this site. === The Substructure Monitoring Deficit === The deterioration of the site was not being tracked through substructure inspection. Enhanced monitoring was installed in December 2025, presenting as proactive stewardship in TfNSW’s public communications, but the fact that real-time structural monitoring was not in place on a known-risk heritage asset carrying primary freight traffic until three months before catastrophic failure indicates an inspection and asset management programme that had not matched its cadence to the risk profile of the structure. === The Announcement-Commitment Gap === The bypass tunnel cancellation is the most politically visible element of the state-level failure, but it sits within a longer pattern of interrupted commitment on the Great Western Highway that substantially predates the Minns government. A prime example of “strategic misrepresentation” in megaproject approval, where proponents deliberately underestimate costs and overestimate benefits to secure political commitment, knowing the commitment will not survive contact with delivery (Flyvberj, 2013)<ref name=":0">{{Cite web |last=Flyvbjerg |first=Bent |date=2013-03-20 |title=Survival of the Unfittest: Why the Worst Infrastructure Gets Built, And What We Can Do about It |url=https://arxiv.org/abs/1303.6571v1 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=arXiv.org |language=en |doi=10.48550/arXiv.1303.6571}}</ref>. Australian governments are prone to announcing projects they have no realistic intention of building within their term, generating regional goodwill at low political cost, while deferring the fiscal and delivery burden to successors who then cancel and repeat the cycle. Flyvbjerg identifies systematic problems in the development process, whereby proponents intentionally misrepresent information and deliberately disregard risks, instigating projects that result in fewer benefits and higher costs than promised (Flyvberj, 2013) <ref name=":0" />. The inverse also applies: announced projects that were always underfunded relative to delivery requirements. This is evident in the proposed twin-tunnel upgrade for the Great Western Highway. In the September 2023 state budget, the Minns government reallocated state funding commitments for the upgrade. In November 2023, the federal government confirmed it would also reallocate its funding commitment, redirecting it to other priorities (TfNSW, 2024) <ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2023-01-30 |title=Blackheath to Little Hartley Upgrade |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/node/19457 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.transport.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref>. The tunnels were formally cancelled in favour of softer commitments. The causeway failed six weeks later. The planning investment was sunk, but the corridor problem it was designed to solve remained. Transport for NSW ultimately paused all work on upgrades to the Great Western Highway between Katoomba and Lithgow, apart from the Medlow Bath and Coxs River Road upgrades, with state and federal funding commitments redirected to other projects (TfNSW, 2026) <ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2023-01-30 |title=Great Western Highway |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/node/19470 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.transport.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref>. === Metro Spending Bias === Sydney Metro alone comprised over a quarter of NSW’s total four-year infrastructure spend in the 2023–24 budget, at $24.9 billion over four years (Infrastructure Partnerships Australia, 2023) <ref>{{Cite web |last=https://www.tophamguerin.com |date=2023-12-18 |title=Australian Infrastructure Budget Monitor 2023-24 |url=https://infrastructure.org.au/policy-research/major-reports/australian-infrastructure-budget-monitor-2023-24/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Infrastructure Partnerships Australia |language=en-US}}</ref>. The bulk of NSW road funding was directed toward the Western Harbour Tunnel and Princes Highway Corridor. The same organisation went on to note that NSW may experience a deficit in the medium to long-term regional pipeline (Infrastructure Partnerships Australia, 2024) <ref>{{Cite web |last=https://www.tophamguerin.com |date=2024-10-24 |title=Australian Infrastructure Budget Monitor 2024-25 |url=https://infrastructure.org.au/policy-research/major-reports/australian-infrastructure-budget-monitor-2024-25/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Infrastructure Partnerships Australia |language=en-US}}</ref>. The Great Western Highway bypass, at a total project cost estimated at $12 billion over an eight-to-ten year build, was cancelled due to being ‘fiscally unachievable’ in the same budget environment that continued to fund cost overruns in the Greater Sydney metropolitan area. The Sydney Metro City and Southwest line alone exceeded its original budget by approximately $5.1 billion, yet an additional $1 billion in interim funding was allocated to the project. Metropolitan projects concentrate benefits in large, media-visible electorates, while regional corridor projects benefit smaller, dispersed populations. Successive budgets treated the Great Western Highway as a maintenance problem rather than a capital investment priority, while overruns in metro-context projects were absorbed without similar scrutiny. This asymmetry was flagged explicitly before the 2023 election, arguing that Labor’s stated intention to redirect Great Western Highway funding to Western Sydney infrastructure would leave the Central West without a safe and productive link to Sydney (Lachlan Shire Council, 2023) <ref>{{Cite web |title=Regional transport and roads could decide State Election |url=https://www.lachlan.nsw.gov.au/News-articles/Regional-transport-and-roads-could-decide-State-Election |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.lachlan.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref>. === Short-Termism and the Electoral Cycle === Major transport infrastructure in Australia runs on a 10–15 year development and delivery horizon. NSW state electoral terms run to four years. No government that announces a major regional infrastructure project opens it. The announcement is the political event; delivery is not. Political short-termism is formally defined in the literature as the systematic prioritisation of short-term net policy benefits over long-term outcomes, hindering policy investments that impose short-term costs on society to address long-term challenges (Ogami, 2024) <ref name=":1">{{Cite journal |last=Ogami |first=Masakazu |date=2024-05-02 |title=The Conditionality of Political Short‐Termism: A Review of Empirical and Experimental Studies |url=https://www.cogitatiopress.com/politicsandgovernance/article/view/7764 |journal=Politics and Governance |language=en |volume=12 |issue=0 |doi=10.17645/pag.7764 |issn=2183-2463}}</ref>. Infrastructure costs are immediate, visible, and attributable; benefits are diffuse, delayed, and frequently credited to successors. The short-term actor announces rather than builds, the incoming government cancels an adversary’s political monument. Contributing traits such as short electoral cycles, voters’ discounting of future policy benefits, and partisanship are particularly acute in the Australian context of short electoral terms and adversarial two-party politics (Ogami, 2024) <ref name=":1" />. There is no institutional obligation on a NSW government to honour prior infrastructure commitments not yet under contract. Independent authorities have no more than advisory power over infrastructure pipelines. Infrastructure NSW and Infrastructure Australia can recommend and prioritise, but not prevent the government from redirecting committed funding upon taking office. === Heritage-Infrastructure Compatibility Framework === The heritage listing at Victoria Pass was the correct cultural heritage decision. However, the systematic framework for assessing and managing compatibility and longevity of heritage-listed infrastructures continues to be absent. The NSW Heritage Act 1977 and its associated guidelines do not require ongoing assessment of whether a listed asset’s structural characteristics remain compatible with the loads placed upon it, or mandate intervention thresholds short of emergency conditions. The NSW State Infrastructure Strategy 2018–2038 recommended introducing an asset management policy with a new assurance model, but its focus was on capital growth and network efficiency, with no meaningful attention on infrastructure compatibility (Affan, 2019) <ref>{{Cite journal |last=Affan |first=Rami |date=10 June, 2019 |title=Getting asset management right: a new framework |url=https://127.0.0.1/getting-asset-management-right-a-new-framework/ |journal=Infrastructure Journal}}</ref>. The gap is not owned by a single agency: Heritage NSW administers the listing conditions; Transport for NSW manages the asset; Treasury funds maintenance allocations. All of which are not required to jointly assess whether a heritage listing, a loading profile, and a maintenance budget are mutually compatible over time. === The Procurement Model and Policy Continuity === Love et. al. argue that the traditional procurement model used by Australian state governments fails to deliver expected benefits for large-scale transport projects, and that a focused policy-making pathway is largely absent. Especially in future-proofing complex infrastructure assets against unanticipated changes in load, use, or structural condition (Love et. al., 2021) <ref>{{Cite journal |date=2021-12-01 |title=A procurement policy-making pathway to future-proof large-scale transport infrastructure assets |url=https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S073988592100041X |journal=Research in Transportation Economics |language=en-US |volume=90 |pages=101069 |doi=10.1016/j.retrec.2021.101069 |issn=0739-8859}}</ref>. The structural consequence is that major transport assets are managed transactionally, without a long-horizon framework for assessing when a structure has moved beyond the envelope of maintainability and requires replacement or bypass. Mitchell’s Causeway is the reductio ad absurdum of this model: a structure well past its design life, carrying loads it was never intended for, preserved by heritage listing from the interventions that would have resolved the incompatibility, and sustained by a maintenance programme that could not address what the listing prevented. Politicisation, inconsistent engagement, and short-termism undermine public trust, and erode reform capability in Australian infrastructure governance. These barriers are embedded in the institutional design of the system, not attributable to the decisions of particular governments (ANU, 2025) <ref>{{Cite web |title=Strengthening Australia's capacity for policy reform {{!}} ANU Institute for Infrastructure in Society |url=https://infrastructure.anu.edu.au/strengthening-australias-capacity-policy-reform |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=infrastructure.anu.edu.au}}</ref>. == Narrative of the case == The Convict Bridge, also known as Mitchell’s Causeway, highlights a classic infrastructure paradox: a historically significant asset continues to perform a modern, high-demand transport function long after its design life has expired. Built in 1832 under the supervision of Major Thomas Mitchell<ref>{{Citation |title=Mitchell's Causeway |date=2026-05-20 |url=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mitchell%27s_Causeway&oldid=1355157766 |work=Wikipedia |access-date=2026-05-23 |language=en}}</ref>, during the colonial era using convict labor, the bridge is one of Australia’s earliest and most significant transport assets. For almost two centuries, it has played a vital role in connecting communities across the Blue Mountains and supporting movement between Sydney and inland New South Wales. The structure itself was an engineering achievement for its time. Rather than a conventional bridge, Mitchell’s Causeway was designed as a massive sandstone retaining embankment built across a natural depression between escarpment outcrops. Convict laborers manually quarried sandstone, constructed retaining walls, and filled the interior with rubble and earth to create a level transport platform. Some of the original convict engravings remain visible on the sandstone blocks today, reinforcing the site’s cultural and historical significance. At the time of its heritage listing, the structure was recognized as one of the few substantial surviving stone causeways from the early colonial era in New South Wales<ref>{{Citation |title=Mitchell's Causeway |date=2026-05-20 |url=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mitchell%27s_Causeway&oldid=1355157766 |work=Wikipedia |access-date=2026-05-23 |language=en}}</ref> . Over time, the bridge became an essential transport link within the regional road network. However, its original design was never intended to accommodate the heavy traffic volumes and vehicle loads associated with contemporary transport systems. The bridge later became integrated into the Great Western Highway network as motor vehicle ownership increased during the twentieth century. As decades passed, increasing pressure placed stress on the sandstone retaining walls and the underlying structure. Although engineers had identified signs of deterioration in earlier years, intervention was limited due to heritage restrictions and funding priorities. As a result, most works focused on surface-level upgrades rather than major structural improvements. Eventually, geotechnical instability emerged, with reports identifying movement in retaining walls and buttresses<ref>{{Cite web |title= |url=https://www.nationaltrust.org.au/conservation-landscape-mitchells-causeway/? |access-date= |website=}}</ref> . Concerns intensified in late 2025 when local stakeholders warned that the bridge could potentially fail under modern loading conditions. Despite these warnings, immediate policy action was limited. Instead, authorities relied primarily on monitoring technologies, reflecting a reactive rather than preventative approach to infrastructure management<ref>{{Cite journal |last= |first= |date= |title=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-10/great-western-highway-convict-bridge-closed/106432242 |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-10/great-western-highway-convict-bridge-closed/106432242 |journal= |language=en-AU}}</ref> . The situation escalated on 5 March 2026 when Transport for NSW identified defects in the road surface of Mitchell’s Causeway. Initial investigations revealed movement within the structure, leading authorities to close the eastbound lane while geotechnical monitoring commenced. However, within days, additional stress fractures and visible cracking appeared across the roadway surface, indicating that the problem extended beyond superficial pavement damage. On 8 March 2026, the bridge was fully closed to all traffic, including emergency services, due to fears of major structural instability. The closure immediately disrupted a major transport corridor used by approximately 12,000 people daily and forced motorists and freight operators to take lengthy detours<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-13 |title=“We will not risk lives”: Extra rail and transport services to be rolled out as Great Western Highway closure to remain in place for at least three months {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. The closure immediately exposed the vulnerability of regional transport connectivity in New South Wales. With Victoria Pass shut, traffic was diverted through alternative routes such as Darling Causeway and Bells Line of Road. These detour routes were not designed to accommodate the redirected freight volumes and experienced substantial congestion, safety risks, and increased travel times.. Communities across Lithgow, Mount Victoria, and the Central West experienced longer travel times, economic impacts, and reduced accessibility, while freight transport became less efficient and more expensive<ref>{{Cite news |last=Buckley |first=Penry |last2=Larkin |first2=Jack |date=2026-03-13 |title=A key Blue Mountains road closure is blowing out travel times – and causing ‘red hot anger’ among locals |language=en-GB |work=The Guardian |url=https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2026/mar/14/blue-mountains-road-convict-bridge-closure-nsw-travel |access-date=2026-05-22 |issn=0261-3077}}</ref> . Importantly, the incident demonstrated how vulnerable regional transport systems in New South Wales can become when they depend heavily on a single piece of infrastructure. Alternative routes, including the Bells Line of Road, were not designed to accommodate the sudden increase in redirected freight and traffic volumes, creating additional congestion and safety concerns<ref>{{Cite web |title=Client Challenge |url=https://www.hawkesburygazette.com/victoria-pass-closure-sends-shockwaves-along-blor-to-richmond-and-beyond/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.hawkesburygazette.com}}</ref>. The closure also generated broader public debate about infrastructure resilience and government planning. Critics argued that authorities had relied too heavily on reactive management approaches rather than proactive infrastructure renewal. While Transport for NSW rapidly deployed monitoring systems, commissioned geotechnical investigations, and introduced additional public transport services, these responses primarily addressed the immediate operational consequences rather than the underlying structural problems. From a governance perspective, the response further underscores systemic weaknesses. While the NSW Government implemented short-term mitigation measures for example increased public transport services—these actions addressed symptoms rather than underlying causes. Following the closure, the NSW Government initiated an accelerated engineering procurement process to identify possible repair or replacement solutions. Engineering firms from Australia and overseas were invited to submit proposals aimed at restoring the corridor while preserving heritage considerations. Government agencies acknowledged that any future solution would likely involve substantial reconstruction and modern reinforcement to meet current transport demands and resilience standards <ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-05-05 |title=Great Western Highway fix in sight almost 60 days after road shut |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-05/great-western-highway-solution/106641888 |access-date=2026-05-23}}</ref>. The urgency of post-failure engineering procurement highlights how crisis conditions often accelerate decision-making that had been deferred under normal circumstances<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-13 |title=“We will not risk lives”: Extra rail and transport services to be rolled out as Great Western Highway closure to remain in place for at least three months {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Ultimately, the Convict Bridge case reflects a wider issue in infrastructure planning and asset management: the disconnect between long-term infrastructure needs and short-term political, financial, and policy constraints. Rather than being an unexpected failure, closure can be understood as the result of years of deferred intervention, competing priorities between heritage preservation and operational performance, and limited proactive investment in resilient transport infrastructure. ==Discussion Questions== 1: Is the announcement-commitment gap a failure of political will, or an inevitable product of democratic institutional design? 2: Did the heritage listing of Victoria Pass serve the public interest, or did it subordinate infrastructure safety to cultural preservation in a way that was never transparently debated? 3: Existing Cost-Benefit Analysis process justifies projects based on actual usage and density, which is naturally unfavorable for infrastructure funding in regional and remote areas, how can we close this gap? 4: The causeway’s failure was physically gradual but politically sudden, and it can be traced back to the absence of political accountability. What measures can be put in place in the existing decision making framework that will meaningfully mitigate this? ==Further reading== '''1. Transport for NSW. (2023). ''Crossing the Blue Mountains: The Great Western Road'''''<ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport |title=Crossing the Blue Mountains |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/system/files/media/documents/2023/crossing_the_blue_mountains_the_great_western_road.pdf}}</ref> '''.''' Official NSW Government historical report on the development of transport infrastructure across the Blue Mountains. '''2. Project Gutenberg Australia. ''Three Expeditions into the Interior of Eastern Australia – Thomas Mitchell''''' <ref>{{Cite web |title=Three Expeditions into the Interior V2 |url=https://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks/e00036.html |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=gutenberg.net.au}}</ref>'''.''' Historical primary source documenting early colonial exploration and road development. 3. '''Sydney to Central West Corridors White Paper (Transport for NSW)'''<ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2025-12-03 |title=Sydney to Central West Corridors White Paper |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/node/31741 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.transport.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref> A strategic planning document assessing capacity, safety, and resilience challenges along the Great Western Highway and alternative routes. 4. '''Australia’s Longest Road Tunnel Proposal – Blue Mountains'''<ref>{{Cite web |last=Walker |first=Nicole |date=2022-05-23 |title=Australia's longest road tunnel through Blue Mountains |url=https://concreteinstitute.com.au/australias-longest-road-tunnel-through-blue-mountains/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Concrete Institute of Australia |language=en-AU}}</ref> Discusses proposed large-scale infrastructure solutions to improve safety, reduce travel times, and increase resilience. 5. '''Salah, R.; Szép, J.; Ajtayné Károlyfi, K.; Géczy, N. An Investigation of Historic Transportation Infrastructure Preservation and Improvement through Historic Building Information Modeling. ''Infrastructures'' 2024, ''9'', 114''' . ==References {{BookCat}}== muod7ulvibs6hz9f47jfjcobkhl3emr 4637152 4637151 2026-05-23T09:04:09Z Jdon9815 3592001 /* Maps of locations */ 4637152 wikitext text/x-wiki == Summary == In early March 2026, Mitchell's Causeway at Victoria Pass suffered serious structural damage, abruptly closing a critical highway link between Sydney and the Central West. Known locally as the Convict Bridge, the causeway carries the Great Western Highway between Little Hartley and Mount Victoria, where around 12,000 vehicles normally passed each day <ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-05-05 |title=Great Western Highway fix in sight almost 60 days after road shut |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-05/great-western-highway-solution/106641888 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. Once the road closed, that traffic had to move through longer and less suitable mountain detours. The problem was not just that an old bridge cracked. More uncomfortable is the fact that this old bridge was still doing the job of a modern strategic road. Mitchell's Causeway is historically valuable because it remains a rare example of colonial road engineering. Heritage NSW records that the Victoria Pass Causeway was built between 1829 and 1832 and has retained much of its original form and fabric<ref>{{Cite web |title=Victoria Pass {{!}} Heritage NSW |url=https://apps.environment.nsw.gov.au/dpcheritageapp/ViewHeritageItemDetails.aspx?ID=4301023 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=apps.environment.nsw.gov.au}}</ref>. That heritage value matters, but it also makes the present-day transport problem harder. A normal road asset can be rebuilt with fewer constraints; a convict-built causeway on the State Heritage Register cannot be treated so casually. Safety, heritage and traffic function all sit on the same narrow piece of road. By April, geotechnical work had confirmed that the issue was deeper than surface pavement damage. Minister Jenny Aitchison said the fill underneath the road had deteriorated and that there were "voids and gaps" within the causeway structure<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-04-10 |title=Minister says there is no 'proper timetable' for reopening NSW highway |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-10/great-western-highway-geotechnical-study-shows-gaps-under-road/106549768 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. Earlier warning signs also matter here. ABC reported that local business groups had raised concerns about the safety and durability of the Convict Bridge before the closure, while broader corridor planning had already identified reliability problems at Victoria Pass<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-10 |title=Government warned now-closed 'horse and cart' Convict Bridge unfit for modern traffic |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-10/great-western-highway-convict-bridge-closed/106432242 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. In other words, the shutdown did not come from nowhere. Official advice suggested that the Darling Causeway and Bells Line of Road detour could add up to 25 minutes to a Blue Mountains crossing<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-13 |title=“We will not risk lives”: Extra rail and transport services to be rolled out as Great Western Highway closure to remain in place for at least three months {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. That figure is tidy, but real life was not. For a person making one flexible trip, 25 minutes may be manageable. For students, workers, freight drivers, medical trips and small businesses relying on passing traffic, the cost was repeated every day. The detour became part of people's routines, not just a line in a traffic update. The state moved quickly once the road was closed. Extra rail, coach and school bus services followed, agencies formed an incident management team, and the government committed A$50 million to improving detour routes such as Darling Causeway, Chifley Road and Lithgow Main Street<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-25 |title=Minns Government commits $50 million to strengthen detour routes during Great Western Highway closure {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/minns-government-commits-50-million-to-strengthen-detour-routes-during-great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Later, Transport for NSW received ten engineering submissions and shortlisted consortia led by Seymour Whyte and Gamuda to develop repair options<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-05-13 |title=Two engineering solutions shortlisted to restore Great Western Highway at Victoria Pass {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/victoria-pass-engineering-solutions-shortlisted |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Those responses were necessary. Yet their timing is hard to ignore: the detour network became urgent only after the main route had already failed. In short, this is less a heritage repair problem than a failure of transport resilience: a known vulnerable link lacked a robust fallback before it failed. The road can eventually reopen, but reopening alone will not explain why that fallback was missing. == Annotated list of factors == {| class="wikitable" ! Actor / Stakeholder group ! Role in the case ! Main interests, concerns and policy relevance |- | '''Transport for NSW, engineers and heritage specialists''' | Led the operational response, including road closure, monitoring, detours and technical assessment. | Transport for NSW had to prioritise public safety once movement was detected at Mitchell’s Causeway. The closure itself was difficult to dispute, but the harder issue sits before the closure: whether the agency had clear enough trigger points for earlier intervention, especially after local concerns about the bridge’s safety had already been raised(Heritage NSW, n.d.). |- | '''Heritage NSW and conservation interests''' | Defined the heritage value of Victoria Pass Causeway and shaped the limits of repair. | Heritage NSW gives the site its historical weight. The causeway matters because much of its colonial engineering remains legible, but that is exactly what complicates repair. Current policy protects the heritage asset, yet it does not clearly answer how that asset should function when it is still part of a freight and commuter route (Heritage NSW, n.d.). |- | '''NSW Government, Minister Jenny Aitchison and the repair decision''' | Managed the political response, public messaging, funding and repair procurement. | The government’s safety-first message was reasonable, but it also narrowed the public conversation. Once the issue was framed mainly as “do not risk lives,” less attention was given to why a known fragile cross-mountain link had no pre-prepared detour capacity strong enough to absorb the failure. The repair decision also has to balance speed, durability, cost, heritage approval and political pressure<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-05-13 |title=Two engineering solutions shortlisted to restore Great Western Highway at Victoria Pass {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/victoria-pass-engineering-solutions-shortlisted |language=en-AU}}</ref>. |- | '''Those who carried the cost: communities, businesses, councils and freight''' | Experienced the practical impacts of the closure on daily travel, local trade and freight movement. | The closure landed unevenly. Local councils had to manage congestion and road wear even though the highway was a state responsibility<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-25 |title=Minns Government commits $50 million to strengthen detour routes during Great Western Highway closure {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/minns-government-commits-50-million-to-strengthen-detour-routes-during-great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Families faced longer school and work trips. Businesses lost customers who used to arrive because the highway brought them past the front door. Freight users were pushed onto less suitable routes through Lithgow, Chifley Road, Darling Causeway and Bells Line of Road<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-05-05 |title=Great Western Highway fix in sight almost 60 days after road shut |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-05/great-western-highway-solution/106641888 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | '''NSW Reconstruction Authority and the Community Coordination Taskforce''' | Coordinated communication between government, councils, industry and affected communities. | The taskforce gave councils, industry and community groups a clearer contact point during the disruption. Its role was narrower than Transport for NSW’s technical role, but it showed how unusual the closure was: the event did not fit neatly into normal disaster arrangements, while affected towns experienced it as a major regional disruption<ref>{{Cite journal |last=Authority |first=NSW Reconstruction |date=2026-03-19 |title=New Taskforce to coordinate support for Great Western Highway communities {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/new-taskforce-to-coordinate-support-for-great-western-highway-communities-0 |language=en-AU}}</ref>. |} == Timeline of events == {| class="wikitable" |+ Timeline of Victoria Pass (Convict Bridge) and 2026 Great Western Highway Events ! Period / Date !! Event !! Description |- | 1829–1833 || Planning, construction and early completion of Victoria Pass (Convict Bridge) || Surveyor-General Thomas Mitchell planned the western route over the Blue Mountains (1829–1830). Construction of Victoria Pass and associated sandstone structures, including the Convict Bridge, began in 1830 using convict labour. The route opened in 1832, providing a key connection between Sydney and the Central West. Final completion works and early repairs continued through 1832–1833 due to steep terrain, engineering constraints, and early structural challenges (NSW Government, n.d.)<ref>{{Cite web |title=Victoria Pass {{!}} Heritage NSW |url=https://apps.environment.nsw.gov.au/dpcheritageapp/ViewHeritageItemDetails.aspx?id=4301023 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=apps.environment.nsw.gov.au}}</ref>. |- | 2007 || Heritage listing || The Victoria Pass precinct, including the Convict Bridge area, was listed on the New South Wales State Heritage Register (NSW Government, n.d.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Victoria Pass {{!}} Heritage NSW |url=https://apps.environment.nsw.gov.au/dpcheritageapp/ViewHeritageItemDetails.aspx?ID=4301023 |access-date=2026-05-23 |website=apps.environment.nsw.gov.au}}</ref>). |- | Early March 2026 || Structural concerns identified || Cracking and instability were identified at the Victoria Pass section of the Great Western Highway (ABC, 2026)<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-19 |title=Highway closure not a 'natural' disaster, NSW government says |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-19/great-western-highway-taskforce/106471918 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | 19 March 2026 || Taskforce established || NSW Government established a multi-agency taskforce to manage response and disruption impacts (ABC, 2026)<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-19 |title=Highway closure not a 'natural' disaster, NSW government says |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-19/great-western-highway-taskforce/106471918 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | 25 March 2026 || Detour funding announced || A $50 million package was announced to upgrade key detour routes including Bells Line of Road, Chifley Road, and Darling Causeway (ABC, 2026<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-25 |title=$50m for Great Western Highway detour routes, as road remains 'unstable' |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-25/funding-to-maintain-detour-roads-in-great-western-highway/106495330 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>). |- | Late March 2026 || Highway closure || The affected section of the highway was closed due to escalating safety risks from structural instability. |- | 10 April 2026 || Geotechnical investigations || Investigations confirmed subsurface voids and significant ground instability beneath the roadway (ABC, 2026)<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-04-10 |title=Minister says there is no 'proper timetable' for reopening NSW highway |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-10/great-western-highway-geotechnical-study-shows-gaps-under-road/106549768 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | April 2026 || Monitoring phase || Ongoing monitoring and assessment of structural conditions continued while long-term solutions were evaluated. |- | 5 May 2026 || Engineering solutions shortlisted || Engineering options were shortlisted for detailed evaluation, progressing toward the design phase (ABC, 2026<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-05-05 |title=Great Western Highway fix in sight almost 60 days after road shut |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-05/great-western-highway-solution/106641888 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>). |} <s>text</s>== Maps of locations == The Great Western Highway is a major transport corridor connecting Sydney to western New South Wales through the Blue Mountains. The failure occurred at Victoria Pass, a steep and historically significant section of the route. Key locations include Victoria Pass (failure point), Mitchell’s Causeway / Convict Bridge area (structural weakness zone), Bells Line of Road (northern detour), Chifley Road (southern detour), and Lithgow approaches (traffic redistribution routes) (ABC, 2026).<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-25 |title=$50m for Great Western Highway detour routes, as road remains 'unstable' |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-25/funding-to-maintain-detour-roads-in-great-western-highway/106495330 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref> Traffic has been diverted across these alternative routes, increasing congestion and travel times across the Blue Mountains corridor due to closure of the primary highway link. [[File:Convict Bridge Location -2026-05-23 at 6.12.22 PM.jpg|thumb|This map shows the location of the Convict Bridge and the associated impacted traffic.]] == Identification of policy issues == === Heritage Listing as Structural Lock-In === The NSW Heritage Act 1977 establishes the State Heritage Register and defines conditions under which listed assets may be altered. The heritage listing for Victoria Pass and Berghofers Pass includes exemptions only for specific works, including emergency stabilisation activities where a structure has been damaged and poses a safety risk. Everything below that threshold falls outside permissible intervention under normal conditions, including the urgently required structural reinforcement of a masonry retained embankment that has been overly exposed to loads beyond its structural capacity. The fundamental incompatibility between a rubble-filled sandstone embankment and 12,000 vehicles per day (including semi-trailer trucks) could not be easily addressed by Transport for NSW without interventions the listing prohibited. Heritage listing without a parallel structural compatibility assessment has converted the bridge from a living piece of infrastructure into a frozen liability. The asset must be preserved as-is while continuing to carry loads it cannot tolerate, with intervention only permitted after the point of failure. The NSW Government’s own geotechnical investigations confirmed that the 200-year-old fill had deteriorated significantly, creating voids and gaps throughout the substructure. It was even acknowledged that without enhanced monitoring installed in late 2025, the structure could have collapsed before defects were detected (NSW Government, 2026)<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-04-10 |title=Geotechnical data to inform long-term solution for Great Western Highway {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/geotechnical-data-to-inform-long-term-solution-for-great-western-highway |language=en-AU}}</ref>. That monitoring was installed three months before failure on a structure that had been carrying highway-grade traffic for over a century. It indicates that the asset management program was operating reactively rather than condition-based mode at this site. === The Substructure Monitoring Deficit === The deterioration of the site was not being tracked through substructure inspection. Enhanced monitoring was installed in December 2025, presenting as proactive stewardship in TfNSW’s public communications, but the fact that real-time structural monitoring was not in place on a known-risk heritage asset carrying primary freight traffic until three months before catastrophic failure indicates an inspection and asset management programme that had not matched its cadence to the risk profile of the structure. === The Announcement-Commitment Gap === The bypass tunnel cancellation is the most politically visible element of the state-level failure, but it sits within a longer pattern of interrupted commitment on the Great Western Highway that substantially predates the Minns government. A prime example of “strategic misrepresentation” in megaproject approval, where proponents deliberately underestimate costs and overestimate benefits to secure political commitment, knowing the commitment will not survive contact with delivery (Flyvberj, 2013)<ref name=":0">{{Cite web |last=Flyvbjerg |first=Bent |date=2013-03-20 |title=Survival of the Unfittest: Why the Worst Infrastructure Gets Built, And What We Can Do about It |url=https://arxiv.org/abs/1303.6571v1 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=arXiv.org |language=en |doi=10.48550/arXiv.1303.6571}}</ref>. Australian governments are prone to announcing projects they have no realistic intention of building within their term, generating regional goodwill at low political cost, while deferring the fiscal and delivery burden to successors who then cancel and repeat the cycle. Flyvbjerg identifies systematic problems in the development process, whereby proponents intentionally misrepresent information and deliberately disregard risks, instigating projects that result in fewer benefits and higher costs than promised (Flyvberj, 2013) <ref name=":0" />. The inverse also applies: announced projects that were always underfunded relative to delivery requirements. This is evident in the proposed twin-tunnel upgrade for the Great Western Highway. In the September 2023 state budget, the Minns government reallocated state funding commitments for the upgrade. In November 2023, the federal government confirmed it would also reallocate its funding commitment, redirecting it to other priorities (TfNSW, 2024) <ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2023-01-30 |title=Blackheath to Little Hartley Upgrade |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/node/19457 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.transport.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref>. The tunnels were formally cancelled in favour of softer commitments. The causeway failed six weeks later. The planning investment was sunk, but the corridor problem it was designed to solve remained. Transport for NSW ultimately paused all work on upgrades to the Great Western Highway between Katoomba and Lithgow, apart from the Medlow Bath and Coxs River Road upgrades, with state and federal funding commitments redirected to other projects (TfNSW, 2026) <ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2023-01-30 |title=Great Western Highway |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/node/19470 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.transport.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref>. === Metro Spending Bias === Sydney Metro alone comprised over a quarter of NSW’s total four-year infrastructure spend in the 2023–24 budget, at $24.9 billion over four years (Infrastructure Partnerships Australia, 2023) <ref>{{Cite web |last=https://www.tophamguerin.com |date=2023-12-18 |title=Australian Infrastructure Budget Monitor 2023-24 |url=https://infrastructure.org.au/policy-research/major-reports/australian-infrastructure-budget-monitor-2023-24/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Infrastructure Partnerships Australia |language=en-US}}</ref>. The bulk of NSW road funding was directed toward the Western Harbour Tunnel and Princes Highway Corridor. The same organisation went on to note that NSW may experience a deficit in the medium to long-term regional pipeline (Infrastructure Partnerships Australia, 2024) <ref>{{Cite web |last=https://www.tophamguerin.com |date=2024-10-24 |title=Australian Infrastructure Budget Monitor 2024-25 |url=https://infrastructure.org.au/policy-research/major-reports/australian-infrastructure-budget-monitor-2024-25/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Infrastructure Partnerships Australia |language=en-US}}</ref>. The Great Western Highway bypass, at a total project cost estimated at $12 billion over an eight-to-ten year build, was cancelled due to being ‘fiscally unachievable’ in the same budget environment that continued to fund cost overruns in the Greater Sydney metropolitan area. The Sydney Metro City and Southwest line alone exceeded its original budget by approximately $5.1 billion, yet an additional $1 billion in interim funding was allocated to the project. Metropolitan projects concentrate benefits in large, media-visible electorates, while regional corridor projects benefit smaller, dispersed populations. Successive budgets treated the Great Western Highway as a maintenance problem rather than a capital investment priority, while overruns in metro-context projects were absorbed without similar scrutiny. This asymmetry was flagged explicitly before the 2023 election, arguing that Labor’s stated intention to redirect Great Western Highway funding to Western Sydney infrastructure would leave the Central West without a safe and productive link to Sydney (Lachlan Shire Council, 2023) <ref>{{Cite web |title=Regional transport and roads could decide State Election |url=https://www.lachlan.nsw.gov.au/News-articles/Regional-transport-and-roads-could-decide-State-Election |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.lachlan.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref>. === Short-Termism and the Electoral Cycle === Major transport infrastructure in Australia runs on a 10–15 year development and delivery horizon. NSW state electoral terms run to four years. No government that announces a major regional infrastructure project opens it. The announcement is the political event; delivery is not. Political short-termism is formally defined in the literature as the systematic prioritisation of short-term net policy benefits over long-term outcomes, hindering policy investments that impose short-term costs on society to address long-term challenges (Ogami, 2024) <ref name=":1">{{Cite journal |last=Ogami |first=Masakazu |date=2024-05-02 |title=The Conditionality of Political Short‐Termism: A Review of Empirical and Experimental Studies |url=https://www.cogitatiopress.com/politicsandgovernance/article/view/7764 |journal=Politics and Governance |language=en |volume=12 |issue=0 |doi=10.17645/pag.7764 |issn=2183-2463}}</ref>. Infrastructure costs are immediate, visible, and attributable; benefits are diffuse, delayed, and frequently credited to successors. The short-term actor announces rather than builds, the incoming government cancels an adversary’s political monument. Contributing traits such as short electoral cycles, voters’ discounting of future policy benefits, and partisanship are particularly acute in the Australian context of short electoral terms and adversarial two-party politics (Ogami, 2024) <ref name=":1" />. There is no institutional obligation on a NSW government to honour prior infrastructure commitments not yet under contract. Independent authorities have no more than advisory power over infrastructure pipelines. Infrastructure NSW and Infrastructure Australia can recommend and prioritise, but not prevent the government from redirecting committed funding upon taking office. === Heritage-Infrastructure Compatibility Framework === The heritage listing at Victoria Pass was the correct cultural heritage decision. However, the systematic framework for assessing and managing compatibility and longevity of heritage-listed infrastructures continues to be absent. The NSW Heritage Act 1977 and its associated guidelines do not require ongoing assessment of whether a listed asset’s structural characteristics remain compatible with the loads placed upon it, or mandate intervention thresholds short of emergency conditions. The NSW State Infrastructure Strategy 2018–2038 recommended introducing an asset management policy with a new assurance model, but its focus was on capital growth and network efficiency, with no meaningful attention on infrastructure compatibility (Affan, 2019) <ref>{{Cite journal |last=Affan |first=Rami |date=10 June, 2019 |title=Getting asset management right: a new framework |url=https://127.0.0.1/getting-asset-management-right-a-new-framework/ |journal=Infrastructure Journal}}</ref>. The gap is not owned by a single agency: Heritage NSW administers the listing conditions; Transport for NSW manages the asset; Treasury funds maintenance allocations. All of which are not required to jointly assess whether a heritage listing, a loading profile, and a maintenance budget are mutually compatible over time. === The Procurement Model and Policy Continuity === Love et. al. argue that the traditional procurement model used by Australian state governments fails to deliver expected benefits for large-scale transport projects, and that a focused policy-making pathway is largely absent. Especially in future-proofing complex infrastructure assets against unanticipated changes in load, use, or structural condition (Love et. al., 2021) <ref>{{Cite journal |date=2021-12-01 |title=A procurement policy-making pathway to future-proof large-scale transport infrastructure assets |url=https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S073988592100041X |journal=Research in Transportation Economics |language=en-US |volume=90 |pages=101069 |doi=10.1016/j.retrec.2021.101069 |issn=0739-8859}}</ref>. The structural consequence is that major transport assets are managed transactionally, without a long-horizon framework for assessing when a structure has moved beyond the envelope of maintainability and requires replacement or bypass. Mitchell’s Causeway is the reductio ad absurdum of this model: a structure well past its design life, carrying loads it was never intended for, preserved by heritage listing from the interventions that would have resolved the incompatibility, and sustained by a maintenance programme that could not address what the listing prevented. Politicisation, inconsistent engagement, and short-termism undermine public trust, and erode reform capability in Australian infrastructure governance. These barriers are embedded in the institutional design of the system, not attributable to the decisions of particular governments (ANU, 2025) <ref>{{Cite web |title=Strengthening Australia's capacity for policy reform {{!}} ANU Institute for Infrastructure in Society |url=https://infrastructure.anu.edu.au/strengthening-australias-capacity-policy-reform |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=infrastructure.anu.edu.au}}</ref>. == Narrative of the case == The Convict Bridge, also known as Mitchell’s Causeway, highlights a classic infrastructure paradox: a historically significant asset continues to perform a modern, high-demand transport function long after its design life has expired. Built in 1832 under the supervision of Major Thomas Mitchell<ref>{{Citation |title=Mitchell's Causeway |date=2026-05-20 |url=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mitchell%27s_Causeway&oldid=1355157766 |work=Wikipedia |access-date=2026-05-23 |language=en}}</ref>, during the colonial era using convict labor, the bridge is one of Australia’s earliest and most significant transport assets. For almost two centuries, it has played a vital role in connecting communities across the Blue Mountains and supporting movement between Sydney and inland New South Wales. The structure itself was an engineering achievement for its time. Rather than a conventional bridge, Mitchell’s Causeway was designed as a massive sandstone retaining embankment built across a natural depression between escarpment outcrops. Convict laborers manually quarried sandstone, constructed retaining walls, and filled the interior with rubble and earth to create a level transport platform. Some of the original convict engravings remain visible on the sandstone blocks today, reinforcing the site’s cultural and historical significance. At the time of its heritage listing, the structure was recognized as one of the few substantial surviving stone causeways from the early colonial era in New South Wales<ref>{{Citation |title=Mitchell's Causeway |date=2026-05-20 |url=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mitchell%27s_Causeway&oldid=1355157766 |work=Wikipedia |access-date=2026-05-23 |language=en}}</ref> . Over time, the bridge became an essential transport link within the regional road network. However, its original design was never intended to accommodate the heavy traffic volumes and vehicle loads associated with contemporary transport systems. The bridge later became integrated into the Great Western Highway network as motor vehicle ownership increased during the twentieth century. As decades passed, increasing pressure placed stress on the sandstone retaining walls and the underlying structure. Although engineers had identified signs of deterioration in earlier years, intervention was limited due to heritage restrictions and funding priorities. As a result, most works focused on surface-level upgrades rather than major structural improvements. Eventually, geotechnical instability emerged, with reports identifying movement in retaining walls and buttresses<ref>{{Cite web |title= |url=https://www.nationaltrust.org.au/conservation-landscape-mitchells-causeway/? |access-date= |website=}}</ref> . Concerns intensified in late 2025 when local stakeholders warned that the bridge could potentially fail under modern loading conditions. Despite these warnings, immediate policy action was limited. Instead, authorities relied primarily on monitoring technologies, reflecting a reactive rather than preventative approach to infrastructure management<ref>{{Cite journal |last= |first= |date= |title=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-10/great-western-highway-convict-bridge-closed/106432242 |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-10/great-western-highway-convict-bridge-closed/106432242 |journal= |language=en-AU}}</ref> . The situation escalated on 5 March 2026 when Transport for NSW identified defects in the road surface of Mitchell’s Causeway. Initial investigations revealed movement within the structure, leading authorities to close the eastbound lane while geotechnical monitoring commenced. However, within days, additional stress fractures and visible cracking appeared across the roadway surface, indicating that the problem extended beyond superficial pavement damage. On 8 March 2026, the bridge was fully closed to all traffic, including emergency services, due to fears of major structural instability. The closure immediately disrupted a major transport corridor used by approximately 12,000 people daily and forced motorists and freight operators to take lengthy detours<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-13 |title=“We will not risk lives”: Extra rail and transport services to be rolled out as Great Western Highway closure to remain in place for at least three months {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. The closure immediately exposed the vulnerability of regional transport connectivity in New South Wales. With Victoria Pass shut, traffic was diverted through alternative routes such as Darling Causeway and Bells Line of Road. These detour routes were not designed to accommodate the redirected freight volumes and experienced substantial congestion, safety risks, and increased travel times.. Communities across Lithgow, Mount Victoria, and the Central West experienced longer travel times, economic impacts, and reduced accessibility, while freight transport became less efficient and more expensive<ref>{{Cite news |last=Buckley |first=Penry |last2=Larkin |first2=Jack |date=2026-03-13 |title=A key Blue Mountains road closure is blowing out travel times – and causing ‘red hot anger’ among locals |language=en-GB |work=The Guardian |url=https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2026/mar/14/blue-mountains-road-convict-bridge-closure-nsw-travel |access-date=2026-05-22 |issn=0261-3077}}</ref> . Importantly, the incident demonstrated how vulnerable regional transport systems in New South Wales can become when they depend heavily on a single piece of infrastructure. Alternative routes, including the Bells Line of Road, were not designed to accommodate the sudden increase in redirected freight and traffic volumes, creating additional congestion and safety concerns<ref>{{Cite web |title=Client Challenge |url=https://www.hawkesburygazette.com/victoria-pass-closure-sends-shockwaves-along-blor-to-richmond-and-beyond/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.hawkesburygazette.com}}</ref>. The closure also generated broader public debate about infrastructure resilience and government planning. Critics argued that authorities had relied too heavily on reactive management approaches rather than proactive infrastructure renewal. While Transport for NSW rapidly deployed monitoring systems, commissioned geotechnical investigations, and introduced additional public transport services, these responses primarily addressed the immediate operational consequences rather than the underlying structural problems. From a governance perspective, the response further underscores systemic weaknesses. While the NSW Government implemented short-term mitigation measures for example increased public transport services—these actions addressed symptoms rather than underlying causes. Following the closure, the NSW Government initiated an accelerated engineering procurement process to identify possible repair or replacement solutions. Engineering firms from Australia and overseas were invited to submit proposals aimed at restoring the corridor while preserving heritage considerations. Government agencies acknowledged that any future solution would likely involve substantial reconstruction and modern reinforcement to meet current transport demands and resilience standards <ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-05-05 |title=Great Western Highway fix in sight almost 60 days after road shut |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-05/great-western-highway-solution/106641888 |access-date=2026-05-23}}</ref>. The urgency of post-failure engineering procurement highlights how crisis conditions often accelerate decision-making that had been deferred under normal circumstances<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-13 |title=“We will not risk lives”: Extra rail and transport services to be rolled out as Great Western Highway closure to remain in place for at least three months {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Ultimately, the Convict Bridge case reflects a wider issue in infrastructure planning and asset management: the disconnect between long-term infrastructure needs and short-term political, financial, and policy constraints. Rather than being an unexpected failure, closure can be understood as the result of years of deferred intervention, competing priorities between heritage preservation and operational performance, and limited proactive investment in resilient transport infrastructure. ==Discussion Questions== 1: Is the announcement-commitment gap a failure of political will, or an inevitable product of democratic institutional design? 2: Did the heritage listing of Victoria Pass serve the public interest, or did it subordinate infrastructure safety to cultural preservation in a way that was never transparently debated? 3: Existing Cost-Benefit Analysis process justifies projects based on actual usage and density, which is naturally unfavorable for infrastructure funding in regional and remote areas, how can we close this gap? 4: The causeway’s failure was physically gradual but politically sudden, and it can be traced back to the absence of political accountability. What measures can be put in place in the existing decision making framework that will meaningfully mitigate this? ==Further reading== '''1. Transport for NSW. (2023). ''Crossing the Blue Mountains: The Great Western Road'''''<ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport |title=Crossing the Blue Mountains |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/system/files/media/documents/2023/crossing_the_blue_mountains_the_great_western_road.pdf}}</ref> '''.''' Official NSW Government historical report on the development of transport infrastructure across the Blue Mountains. '''2. Project Gutenberg Australia. ''Three Expeditions into the Interior of Eastern Australia – Thomas Mitchell''''' <ref>{{Cite web |title=Three Expeditions into the Interior V2 |url=https://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks/e00036.html |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=gutenberg.net.au}}</ref>'''.''' Historical primary source documenting early colonial exploration and road development. 3. '''Sydney to Central West Corridors White Paper (Transport for NSW)'''<ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2025-12-03 |title=Sydney to Central West Corridors White Paper |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/node/31741 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.transport.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref> A strategic planning document assessing capacity, safety, and resilience challenges along the Great Western Highway and alternative routes. 4. '''Australia’s Longest Road Tunnel Proposal – Blue Mountains'''<ref>{{Cite web |last=Walker |first=Nicole |date=2022-05-23 |title=Australia's longest road tunnel through Blue Mountains |url=https://concreteinstitute.com.au/australias-longest-road-tunnel-through-blue-mountains/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Concrete Institute of Australia |language=en-AU}}</ref> Discusses proposed large-scale infrastructure solutions to improve safety, reduce travel times, and increase resilience. 5. '''Salah, R.; Szép, J.; Ajtayné Károlyfi, K.; Géczy, N. An Investigation of Historic Transportation Infrastructure Preservation and Improvement through Historic Building Information Modeling. ''Infrastructures'' 2024, ''9'', 114''' . ==References {{BookCat}}== j4p29lpyssda50jc1u25t8cbhesrjs8 4637153 4637152 2026-05-23T09:10:08Z Jdon9815 3592001 4637153 wikitext text/x-wiki == Summary == In early March 2026, Mitchell's Causeway at Victoria Pass suffered serious structural damage, abruptly closing a critical highway link between Sydney and the Central West. Known locally as the Convict Bridge, the causeway carries the Great Western Highway between Little Hartley and Mount Victoria, where around 12,000 vehicles normally passed each day <ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-05-05 |title=Great Western Highway fix in sight almost 60 days after road shut |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-05/great-western-highway-solution/106641888 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. Once the road closed, that traffic had to move through longer and less suitable mountain detours. The problem was not just that an old bridge cracked. More uncomfortable is the fact that this old bridge was still doing the job of a modern strategic road. Mitchell's Causeway is historically valuable because it remains a rare example of colonial road engineering. Heritage NSW records that the Victoria Pass Causeway was built between 1829 and 1832 and has retained much of its original form and fabric<ref>{{Cite web |title=Victoria Pass {{!}} Heritage NSW |url=https://apps.environment.nsw.gov.au/dpcheritageapp/ViewHeritageItemDetails.aspx?ID=4301023 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=apps.environment.nsw.gov.au}}</ref>. That heritage value matters, but it also makes the present-day transport problem harder. A normal road asset can be rebuilt with fewer constraints; a convict-built causeway on the State Heritage Register cannot be treated so casually. Safety, heritage and traffic function all sit on the same narrow piece of road. By April, geotechnical work had confirmed that the issue was deeper than surface pavement damage. Minister Jenny Aitchison said the fill underneath the road had deteriorated and that there were "voids and gaps" within the causeway structure<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-04-10 |title=Minister says there is no 'proper timetable' for reopening NSW highway |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-10/great-western-highway-geotechnical-study-shows-gaps-under-road/106549768 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. Earlier warning signs also matter here. ABC reported that local business groups had raised concerns about the safety and durability of the Convict Bridge before the closure, while broader corridor planning had already identified reliability problems at Victoria Pass<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-10 |title=Government warned now-closed 'horse and cart' Convict Bridge unfit for modern traffic |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-10/great-western-highway-convict-bridge-closed/106432242 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. In other words, the shutdown did not come from nowhere. Official advice suggested that the Darling Causeway and Bells Line of Road detour could add up to 25 minutes to a Blue Mountains crossing<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-13 |title=“We will not risk lives”: Extra rail and transport services to be rolled out as Great Western Highway closure to remain in place for at least three months {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. That figure is tidy, but real life was not. For a person making one flexible trip, 25 minutes may be manageable. For students, workers, freight drivers, medical trips and small businesses relying on passing traffic, the cost was repeated every day. The detour became part of people's routines, not just a line in a traffic update. The state moved quickly once the road was closed. Extra rail, coach and school bus services followed, agencies formed an incident management team, and the government committed A$50 million to improving detour routes such as Darling Causeway, Chifley Road and Lithgow Main Street<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-25 |title=Minns Government commits $50 million to strengthen detour routes during Great Western Highway closure {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/minns-government-commits-50-million-to-strengthen-detour-routes-during-great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Later, Transport for NSW received ten engineering submissions and shortlisted consortia led by Seymour Whyte and Gamuda to develop repair options<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-05-13 |title=Two engineering solutions shortlisted to restore Great Western Highway at Victoria Pass {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/victoria-pass-engineering-solutions-shortlisted |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Those responses were necessary. Yet their timing is hard to ignore: the detour network became urgent only after the main route had already failed. In short, this is less a heritage repair problem than a failure of transport resilience: a known vulnerable link lacked a robust fallback before it failed. The road can eventually reopen, but reopening alone will not explain why that fallback was missing. == Annotated list of factors == {| class="wikitable" ! Actor / Stakeholder group ! Role in the case ! Main interests, concerns and policy relevance |- | '''Transport for NSW, engineers and heritage specialists''' | Led the operational response, including road closure, monitoring, detours and technical assessment. | Transport for NSW had to prioritise public safety once movement was detected at Mitchell’s Causeway. The closure itself was difficult to dispute, but the harder issue sits before the closure: whether the agency had clear enough trigger points for earlier intervention, especially after local concerns about the bridge’s safety had already been raised(Heritage NSW, n.d.). |- | '''Heritage NSW and conservation interests''' | Defined the heritage value of Victoria Pass Causeway and shaped the limits of repair. | Heritage NSW gives the site its historical weight. The causeway matters because much of its colonial engineering remains legible, but that is exactly what complicates repair. Current policy protects the heritage asset, yet it does not clearly answer how that asset should function when it is still part of a freight and commuter route (Heritage NSW, n.d.). |- | '''NSW Government, Minister Jenny Aitchison and the repair decision''' | Managed the political response, public messaging, funding and repair procurement. | The government’s safety-first message was reasonable, but it also narrowed the public conversation. Once the issue was framed mainly as “do not risk lives,” less attention was given to why a known fragile cross-mountain link had no pre-prepared detour capacity strong enough to absorb the failure. The repair decision also has to balance speed, durability, cost, heritage approval and political pressure<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-05-13 |title=Two engineering solutions shortlisted to restore Great Western Highway at Victoria Pass {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/victoria-pass-engineering-solutions-shortlisted |language=en-AU}}</ref>. |- | '''Those who carried the cost: communities, businesses, councils and freight''' | Experienced the practical impacts of the closure on daily travel, local trade and freight movement. | The closure landed unevenly. Local councils had to manage congestion and road wear even though the highway was a state responsibility<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-25 |title=Minns Government commits $50 million to strengthen detour routes during Great Western Highway closure {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/minns-government-commits-50-million-to-strengthen-detour-routes-during-great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Families faced longer school and work trips. Businesses lost customers who used to arrive because the highway brought them past the front door. Freight users were pushed onto less suitable routes through Lithgow, Chifley Road, Darling Causeway and Bells Line of Road<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-05-05 |title=Great Western Highway fix in sight almost 60 days after road shut |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-05/great-western-highway-solution/106641888 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | '''NSW Reconstruction Authority and the Community Coordination Taskforce''' | Coordinated communication between government, councils, industry and affected communities. | The taskforce gave councils, industry and community groups a clearer contact point during the disruption. Its role was narrower than Transport for NSW’s technical role, but it showed how unusual the closure was: the event did not fit neatly into normal disaster arrangements, while affected towns experienced it as a major regional disruption<ref>{{Cite journal |last=Authority |first=NSW Reconstruction |date=2026-03-19 |title=New Taskforce to coordinate support for Great Western Highway communities {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/new-taskforce-to-coordinate-support-for-great-western-highway-communities-0 |language=en-AU}}</ref>. |} == Timeline of events == {| class="wikitable" |+ Timeline of Victoria Pass (Convict Bridge) and 2026 Great Western Highway Events ! Period / Date !! Event !! Description |- | 1829–1833 || Planning, construction and early completion of Victoria Pass (Convict Bridge) || Surveyor-General Thomas Mitchell planned the western route over the Blue Mountains (1829–1830). Construction of Victoria Pass and associated sandstone structures, including the Convict Bridge, began in 1830 using convict labour. The route opened in 1832, providing a key connection between Sydney and the Central West. Final completion works and early repairs continued through 1832–1833 due to steep terrain, engineering constraints, and early structural challenges (NSW Government, n.d.)<ref>{{Cite web |title=Victoria Pass {{!}} Heritage NSW |url=https://apps.environment.nsw.gov.au/dpcheritageapp/ViewHeritageItemDetails.aspx?id=4301023 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=apps.environment.nsw.gov.au}}</ref>. |- | 2007 || Heritage listing || The Victoria Pass precinct, including the Convict Bridge area, was listed on the New South Wales State Heritage Register (NSW Government, n.d.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Victoria Pass {{!}} Heritage NSW |url=https://apps.environment.nsw.gov.au/dpcheritageapp/ViewHeritageItemDetails.aspx?ID=4301023 |access-date=2026-05-23 |website=apps.environment.nsw.gov.au}}</ref>). |- | Early March 2026 || Structural concerns identified || Cracking and instability were identified at the Victoria Pass section of the Great Western Highway (ABC, 2026)<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-19 |title=Highway closure not a 'natural' disaster, NSW government says |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-19/great-western-highway-taskforce/106471918 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | 19 March 2026 || Taskforce established || NSW Government established a multi-agency taskforce to manage response and disruption impacts (ABC, 2026)<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-19 |title=Highway closure not a 'natural' disaster, NSW government says |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-19/great-western-highway-taskforce/106471918 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | 25 March 2026 || Detour funding announced || A $50 million package was announced to upgrade key detour routes including Bells Line of Road, Chifley Road, and Darling Causeway (ABC, 2026<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-25 |title=$50m for Great Western Highway detour routes, as road remains 'unstable' |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-25/funding-to-maintain-detour-roads-in-great-western-highway/106495330 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>). |- | Late March 2026 || Highway closure || The affected section of the highway was closed due to escalating safety risks from structural instability. |- | 10 April 2026 || Geotechnical investigations || Investigations confirmed subsurface voids and significant ground instability beneath the roadway (ABC, 2026)<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-04-10 |title=Minister says there is no 'proper timetable' for reopening NSW highway |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-10/great-western-highway-geotechnical-study-shows-gaps-under-road/106549768 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | April 2026 || Monitoring phase || Ongoing monitoring and assessment of structural conditions continued while long-term solutions were evaluated. |- | 5 May 2026 || Engineering solutions shortlisted || Engineering options were shortlisted for detailed evaluation, progressing toward the design phase (ABC, 2026<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-05-05 |title=Great Western Highway fix in sight almost 60 days after road shut |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-05/great-western-highway-solution/106641888 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>). |} <s>text</s>== Maps of locations == The Great Western Highway is a major transport corridor connecting Sydney to western New South Wales through the Blue Mountains. The failure occurred at Victoria Pass, a steep and historically significant section of the route. Key locations include Victoria Pass (failure point), Mitchell’s Causeway / Convict Bridge area (structural weakness zone), Bells Line of Road (northern detour), Chifley Road (southern detour), and Lithgow approaches (traffic redistribution routes) (ABC, 2026).<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-25 |title=$50m for Great Western Highway detour routes, as road remains 'unstable' |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-25/funding-to-maintain-detour-roads-in-great-western-highway/106495330 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref> Traffic has been diverted across these alternative routes, increasing congestion and travel times across the Blue Mountains corridor due to closure of the primary highway link. [[File:Convict Bridge Location -2026-05-23 at 6.12.22 PM.jpg|thumb|This map shows the location of the Convict Bridge and the associated impacted traffic.]] == Identification of policy issues == === Heritage Listing as Structural Lock-In === The NSW Heritage Act 1977 establishes the State Heritage Register and defines conditions under which listed assets may be altered. The heritage listing for Victoria Pass and Berghofers Pass includes exemptions only for specific works, including emergency stabilisation activities where a structure has been damaged and poses a safety risk. Everything below that threshold falls outside permissible intervention under normal conditions, including the urgently required structural reinforcement of a masonry retained embankment that has been overly exposed to loads beyond its structural capacity. The fundamental incompatibility between a rubble-filled sandstone embankment and 12,000 vehicles per day (including semi-trailer trucks) could not be easily addressed by Transport for NSW without interventions the listing prohibited. Heritage listing without a parallel structural compatibility assessment has converted the bridge from a living piece of infrastructure into a frozen liability. The asset must be preserved as-is while continuing to carry loads it cannot tolerate, with intervention only permitted after the point of failure. The NSW Government’s own geotechnical investigations confirmed that the 200-year-old fill had deteriorated significantly, creating voids and gaps throughout the substructure. It was even acknowledged that without enhanced monitoring installed in late 2025, the structure could have collapsed before defects were detected (NSW Government, 2026)<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-04-10 |title=Geotechnical data to inform long-term solution for Great Western Highway {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/geotechnical-data-to-inform-long-term-solution-for-great-western-highway |language=en-AU}}</ref>. That monitoring was installed three months before failure on a structure that had been carrying highway-grade traffic for over a century. It indicates that the asset management program was operating reactively rather than condition-based mode at this site. === The Substructure Monitoring Deficit === The deterioration of the site was not being tracked through substructure inspection. Enhanced monitoring was installed in December 2025, presenting as proactive stewardship in TfNSW’s public communications, but the fact that real-time structural monitoring was not in place on a known-risk heritage asset carrying primary freight traffic until three months before catastrophic failure indicates an inspection and asset management programme that had not matched its cadence to the risk profile of the structure. === The Announcement-Commitment Gap === The bypass tunnel cancellation is the most politically visible element of the state-level failure, but it sits within a longer pattern of interrupted commitment on the Great Western Highway that substantially predates the Minns government. A prime example of “strategic misrepresentation” in megaproject approval, where proponents deliberately underestimate costs and overestimate benefits to secure political commitment, knowing the commitment will not survive contact with delivery (Flyvberj, 2013)<ref name=":0">{{Cite web |last=Flyvbjerg |first=Bent |date=2013-03-20 |title=Survival of the Unfittest: Why the Worst Infrastructure Gets Built, And What We Can Do about It |url=https://arxiv.org/abs/1303.6571v1 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=arXiv.org |language=en |doi=10.48550/arXiv.1303.6571}}</ref>. Australian governments are prone to announcing projects they have no realistic intention of building within their term, generating regional goodwill at low political cost, while deferring the fiscal and delivery burden to successors who then cancel and repeat the cycle. Flyvbjerg identifies systematic problems in the development process, whereby proponents intentionally misrepresent information and deliberately disregard risks, instigating projects that result in fewer benefits and higher costs than promised (Flyvberj, 2013) <ref name=":0" />. The inverse also applies: announced projects that were always underfunded relative to delivery requirements. This is evident in the proposed twin-tunnel upgrade for the Great Western Highway. In the September 2023 state budget, the Minns government reallocated state funding commitments for the upgrade. In November 2023, the federal government confirmed it would also reallocate its funding commitment, redirecting it to other priorities (TfNSW, 2024) <ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2023-01-30 |title=Blackheath to Little Hartley Upgrade |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/node/19457 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.transport.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref>. The tunnels were formally cancelled in favour of softer commitments. The causeway failed six weeks later. The planning investment was sunk, but the corridor problem it was designed to solve remained. Transport for NSW ultimately paused all work on upgrades to the Great Western Highway between Katoomba and Lithgow, apart from the Medlow Bath and Coxs River Road upgrades, with state and federal funding commitments redirected to other projects (TfNSW, 2026) <ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2023-01-30 |title=Great Western Highway |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/node/19470 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.transport.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref>. === Metro Spending Bias === Sydney Metro alone comprised over a quarter of NSW’s total four-year infrastructure spend in the 2023–24 budget, at $24.9 billion over four years (Infrastructure Partnerships Australia, 2023) <ref>{{Cite web |last=https://www.tophamguerin.com |date=2023-12-18 |title=Australian Infrastructure Budget Monitor 2023-24 |url=https://infrastructure.org.au/policy-research/major-reports/australian-infrastructure-budget-monitor-2023-24/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Infrastructure Partnerships Australia |language=en-US}}</ref>. The bulk of NSW road funding was directed toward the Western Harbour Tunnel and Princes Highway Corridor. The same organisation went on to note that NSW may experience a deficit in the medium to long-term regional pipeline (Infrastructure Partnerships Australia, 2024) <ref>{{Cite web |last=https://www.tophamguerin.com |date=2024-10-24 |title=Australian Infrastructure Budget Monitor 2024-25 |url=https://infrastructure.org.au/policy-research/major-reports/australian-infrastructure-budget-monitor-2024-25/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Infrastructure Partnerships Australia |language=en-US}}</ref>. The Great Western Highway bypass, at a total project cost estimated at $12 billion over an eight-to-ten year build, was cancelled due to being ‘fiscally unachievable’ in the same budget environment that continued to fund cost overruns in the Greater Sydney metropolitan area. The Sydney Metro City and Southwest line alone exceeded its original budget by approximately $5.1 billion, yet an additional $1 billion in interim funding was allocated to the project. Metropolitan projects concentrate benefits in large, media-visible electorates, while regional corridor projects benefit smaller, dispersed populations. Successive budgets treated the Great Western Highway as a maintenance problem rather than a capital investment priority, while overruns in metro-context projects were absorbed without similar scrutiny. This asymmetry was flagged explicitly before the 2023 election, arguing that Labor’s stated intention to redirect Great Western Highway funding to Western Sydney infrastructure would leave the Central West without a safe and productive link to Sydney (Lachlan Shire Council, 2023) <ref>{{Cite web |title=Regional transport and roads could decide State Election |url=https://www.lachlan.nsw.gov.au/News-articles/Regional-transport-and-roads-could-decide-State-Election |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.lachlan.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref>. === Short-Termism and the Electoral Cycle === Major transport infrastructure in Australia runs on a 10–15 year development and delivery horizon. NSW state electoral terms run to four years. No government that announces a major regional infrastructure project opens it. The announcement is the political event; delivery is not. Political short-termism is formally defined in the literature as the systematic prioritisation of short-term net policy benefits over long-term outcomes, hindering policy investments that impose short-term costs on society to address long-term challenges (Ogami, 2024) <ref name=":1">{{Cite journal |last=Ogami |first=Masakazu |date=2024-05-02 |title=The Conditionality of Political Short‐Termism: A Review of Empirical and Experimental Studies |url=https://www.cogitatiopress.com/politicsandgovernance/article/view/7764 |journal=Politics and Governance |language=en |volume=12 |issue=0 |doi=10.17645/pag.7764 |issn=2183-2463}}</ref>. Infrastructure costs are immediate, visible, and attributable; benefits are diffuse, delayed, and frequently credited to successors. The short-term actor announces rather than builds, the incoming government cancels an adversary’s political monument. Contributing traits such as short electoral cycles, voters’ discounting of future policy benefits, and partisanship are particularly acute in the Australian context of short electoral terms and adversarial two-party politics (Ogami, 2024) <ref name=":1" />. There is no institutional obligation on a NSW government to honour prior infrastructure commitments not yet under contract. Independent authorities have no more than advisory power over infrastructure pipelines. Infrastructure NSW and Infrastructure Australia can recommend and prioritise, but not prevent the government from redirecting committed funding upon taking office. === Heritage-Infrastructure Compatibility Framework === The heritage listing at Victoria Pass was the correct cultural heritage decision. However, the systematic framework for assessing and managing compatibility and longevity of heritage-listed infrastructures continues to be absent. The NSW Heritage Act 1977 and its associated guidelines do not require ongoing assessment of whether a listed asset’s structural characteristics remain compatible with the loads placed upon it, or mandate intervention thresholds short of emergency conditions. The NSW State Infrastructure Strategy 2018–2038 recommended introducing an asset management policy with a new assurance model, but its focus was on capital growth and network efficiency, with no meaningful attention on infrastructure compatibility (Affan, 2019) <ref>{{Cite journal |last=Affan |first=Rami |date=10 June, 2019 |title=Getting asset management right: a new framework |url=https://127.0.0.1/getting-asset-management-right-a-new-framework/ |journal=Infrastructure Journal}}</ref>. The gap is not owned by a single agency: Heritage NSW administers the listing conditions; Transport for NSW manages the asset; Treasury funds maintenance allocations. All of which are not required to jointly assess whether a heritage listing, a loading profile, and a maintenance budget are mutually compatible over time. === The Procurement Model and Policy Continuity === Love et. al. argue that the traditional procurement model used by Australian state governments fails to deliver expected benefits for large-scale transport projects, and that a focused policy-making pathway is largely absent. Especially in future-proofing complex infrastructure assets against unanticipated changes in load, use, or structural condition (Love et. al., 2021) <ref>{{Cite journal |date=2021-12-01 |title=A procurement policy-making pathway to future-proof large-scale transport infrastructure assets |url=https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S073988592100041X |journal=Research in Transportation Economics |language=en-US |volume=90 |pages=101069 |doi=10.1016/j.retrec.2021.101069 |issn=0739-8859}}</ref>. The structural consequence is that major transport assets are managed transactionally, without a long-horizon framework for assessing when a structure has moved beyond the envelope of maintainability and requires replacement or bypass. Mitchell’s Causeway is the reductio ad absurdum of this model: a structure well past its design life, carrying loads it was never intended for, preserved by heritage listing from the interventions that would have resolved the incompatibility, and sustained by a maintenance programme that could not address what the listing prevented. Politicisation, inconsistent engagement, and short-termism undermine public trust, and erode reform capability in Australian infrastructure governance. These barriers are embedded in the institutional design of the system, not attributable to the decisions of particular governments (ANU, 2025) <ref>{{Cite web |title=Strengthening Australia's capacity for policy reform {{!}} ANU Institute for Infrastructure in Society |url=https://infrastructure.anu.edu.au/strengthening-australias-capacity-policy-reform |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=infrastructure.anu.edu.au}}</ref>. == Narrative of the case == The Convict Bridge, also known as Mitchell’s Causeway, highlights a classic infrastructure paradox: a historically significant asset continues to perform a modern, high-demand transport function long after its design life has expired. Built in 1832 under the supervision of Major Thomas Mitchell<ref>{{Citation |title=Mitchell's Causeway |date=2026-05-20 |url=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mitchell%27s_Causeway&oldid=1355157766 |work=Wikipedia |access-date=2026-05-23 |language=en}}</ref>, during the colonial era using convict labor, the bridge is one of Australia’s earliest and most significant transport assets. For almost two centuries, it has played a vital role in connecting communities across the Blue Mountains and supporting movement between Sydney and inland New South Wales. The structure itself was an engineering achievement for its time. Rather than a conventional bridge, Mitchell’s Causeway was designed as a massive sandstone retaining embankment built across a natural depression between escarpment outcrops. Convict laborers manually quarried sandstone, constructed retaining walls, and filled the interior with rubble and earth to create a level transport platform. Some of the original convict engravings remain visible on the sandstone blocks today, reinforcing the site’s cultural and historical significance. At the time of its heritage listing, the structure was recognized as one of the few substantial surviving stone causeways from the early colonial era in New South Wales<ref>{{Citation |title=Mitchell's Causeway |date=2026-05-20 |url=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mitchell%27s_Causeway&oldid=1355157766 |work=Wikipedia |access-date=2026-05-23 |language=en}}</ref> . Over time, the bridge became an essential transport link within the regional road network. However, its original design was never intended to accommodate the heavy traffic volumes and vehicle loads associated with contemporary transport systems. The bridge later became integrated into the Great Western Highway network as motor vehicle ownership increased during the twentieth century. As decades passed, increasing pressure placed stress on the sandstone retaining walls and the underlying structure. Although engineers had identified signs of deterioration in earlier years, intervention was limited due to heritage restrictions and funding priorities. As a result, most works focused on surface-level upgrades rather than major structural improvements. Eventually, geotechnical instability emerged, with reports identifying movement in retaining walls and buttresses<ref>{{Cite web |title= |url=https://www.nationaltrust.org.au/conservation-landscape-mitchells-causeway/? |access-date= |website=}}</ref> . Concerns intensified in late 2025 when local stakeholders warned that the bridge could potentially fail under modern loading conditions. Despite these warnings, immediate policy action was limited. Instead, authorities relied primarily on monitoring technologies, reflecting a reactive rather than preventative approach to infrastructure management<ref>{{Cite journal |last= |first= |date= |title=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-10/great-western-highway-convict-bridge-closed/106432242 |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-10/great-western-highway-convict-bridge-closed/106432242 |journal= |language=en-AU}}</ref> . The situation escalated on 5 March 2026 when Transport for NSW identified defects in the road surface of Mitchell’s Causeway. Initial investigations revealed movement within the structure, leading authorities to close the eastbound lane while geotechnical monitoring commenced. However, within days, additional stress fractures and visible cracking appeared across the roadway surface, indicating that the problem extended beyond superficial pavement damage. On 8 March 2026, the bridge was fully closed to all traffic, including emergency services, due to fears of major structural instability. The closure immediately disrupted a major transport corridor used by approximately 12,000 people daily and forced motorists and freight operators to take lengthy detours<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-13 |title=“We will not risk lives”: Extra rail and transport services to be rolled out as Great Western Highway closure to remain in place for at least three months {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. The closure immediately exposed the vulnerability of regional transport connectivity in New South Wales. With Victoria Pass shut, traffic was diverted through alternative routes such as Darling Causeway and Bells Line of Road. These detour routes were not designed to accommodate the redirected freight volumes and experienced substantial congestion, safety risks, and increased travel times.. Communities across Lithgow, Mount Victoria, and the Central West experienced longer travel times, economic impacts, and reduced accessibility, while freight transport became less efficient and more expensive<ref>{{Cite news |last=Buckley |first=Penry |last2=Larkin |first2=Jack |date=2026-03-13 |title=A key Blue Mountains road closure is blowing out travel times – and causing ‘red hot anger’ among locals |language=en-GB |work=The Guardian |url=https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2026/mar/14/blue-mountains-road-convict-bridge-closure-nsw-travel |access-date=2026-05-22 |issn=0261-3077}}</ref> . Importantly, the incident demonstrated how vulnerable regional transport systems in New South Wales can become when they depend heavily on a single piece of infrastructure. Alternative routes, including the Bells Line of Road, were not designed to accommodate the sudden increase in redirected freight and traffic volumes, creating additional congestion and safety concerns<ref>{{Cite web |title=Client Challenge |url=https://www.hawkesburygazette.com/victoria-pass-closure-sends-shockwaves-along-blor-to-richmond-and-beyond/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.hawkesburygazette.com}}</ref>. The closure also generated broader public debate about infrastructure resilience and government planning. Critics argued that authorities had relied too heavily on reactive management approaches rather than proactive infrastructure renewal. While Transport for NSW rapidly deployed monitoring systems, commissioned geotechnical investigations, and introduced additional public transport services, these responses primarily addressed the immediate operational consequences rather than the underlying structural problems. From a governance perspective, the response further underscores systemic weaknesses. While the NSW Government implemented short-term mitigation measures for example increased public transport services—these actions addressed symptoms rather than underlying causes. Following the closure, the NSW Government initiated an accelerated engineering procurement process to identify possible repair or replacement solutions. Engineering firms from Australia and overseas were invited to submit proposals aimed at restoring the corridor while preserving heritage considerations. Government agencies acknowledged that any future solution would likely involve substantial reconstruction and modern reinforcement to meet current transport demands and resilience standards <ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-05-05 |title=Great Western Highway fix in sight almost 60 days after road shut |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-05/great-western-highway-solution/106641888 |access-date=2026-05-23}}</ref>. The urgency of post-failure engineering procurement highlights how crisis conditions often accelerate decision-making that had been deferred under normal circumstances<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-13 |title=“We will not risk lives”: Extra rail and transport services to be rolled out as Great Western Highway closure to remain in place for at least three months {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Ultimately, the Convict Bridge case reflects a wider issue in infrastructure planning and asset management: the disconnect between long-term infrastructure needs and short-term political, financial, and policy constraints. Rather than being an unexpected failure, closure can be understood as the result of years of deferred intervention, competing priorities between heritage preservation and operational performance, and limited proactive investment in resilient transport infrastructure. ==Discussion Questions== 1: Is the announcement-commitment gap a failure of political will, or an inevitable product of democratic institutional design? 2: Did the heritage listing of Victoria Pass serve the public interest, or did it subordinate infrastructure safety to cultural preservation in a way that was never transparently debated? 3: Existing Cost-Benefit Analysis process justifies projects based on actual usage and density, which is naturally unfavorable for infrastructure funding in regional and remote areas, how can we close this gap? 4: The causeway’s failure was physically gradual but politically sudden, and it can be traced back to the absence of political accountability. What measures can be put in place in the existing decision making framework that will meaningfully mitigate this? ==Further reading== '''1. Transport for NSW. (2023). ''Crossing the Blue Mountains: The Great Western Road'''''<ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport |title=Crossing the Blue Mountains |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/system/files/media/documents/2023/crossing_the_blue_mountains_the_great_western_road.pdf}}</ref> '''.''' Official NSW Government historical report on the development of transport infrastructure across the Blue Mountains. '''2. Project Gutenberg Australia. ''Three Expeditions into the Interior of Eastern Australia – Thomas Mitchell''''' <ref>{{Cite web |title=Three Expeditions into the Interior V2 |url=https://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks/e00036.html |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=gutenberg.net.au}}</ref>'''.''' Historical primary source documenting early colonial exploration and road development. 3. '''Sydney to Central West Corridors White Paper (Transport for NSW)'''<ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2025-12-03 |title=Sydney to Central West Corridors White Paper |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/node/31741 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.transport.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref> A strategic planning document assessing capacity, safety, and resilience challenges along the Great Western Highway and alternative routes. 4. '''Australia’s Longest Road Tunnel Proposal – Blue Mountains'''<ref>{{Cite web |last=Walker |first=Nicole |date=2022-05-23 |title=Australia's longest road tunnel through Blue Mountains |url=https://concreteinstitute.com.au/australias-longest-road-tunnel-through-blue-mountains/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Concrete Institute of Australia |language=en-AU}}</ref> Discusses proposed large-scale infrastructure solutions to improve safety, reduce travel times, and increase resilience. 5. '''Salah, R.; Szép, J.; Ajtayné Károlyfi, K.; Géczy, N. An Investigation of Historic Transportation Infrastructure Preservation and Improvement through Historic Building Information Modeling. ''Infrastructures'' 2024, ''9'', 114''' . ==References== {{BookCat}}== rci77mg073bjr2u4ase8xle4sl1vx1c 4637154 4637153 2026-05-23T09:10:24Z Jdon9815 3592001 /* References */ 4637154 wikitext text/x-wiki == Summary == In early March 2026, Mitchell's Causeway at Victoria Pass suffered serious structural damage, abruptly closing a critical highway link between Sydney and the Central West. Known locally as the Convict Bridge, the causeway carries the Great Western Highway between Little Hartley and Mount Victoria, where around 12,000 vehicles normally passed each day <ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-05-05 |title=Great Western Highway fix in sight almost 60 days after road shut |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-05/great-western-highway-solution/106641888 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. Once the road closed, that traffic had to move through longer and less suitable mountain detours. The problem was not just that an old bridge cracked. More uncomfortable is the fact that this old bridge was still doing the job of a modern strategic road. Mitchell's Causeway is historically valuable because it remains a rare example of colonial road engineering. Heritage NSW records that the Victoria Pass Causeway was built between 1829 and 1832 and has retained much of its original form and fabric<ref>{{Cite web |title=Victoria Pass {{!}} Heritage NSW |url=https://apps.environment.nsw.gov.au/dpcheritageapp/ViewHeritageItemDetails.aspx?ID=4301023 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=apps.environment.nsw.gov.au}}</ref>. That heritage value matters, but it also makes the present-day transport problem harder. A normal road asset can be rebuilt with fewer constraints; a convict-built causeway on the State Heritage Register cannot be treated so casually. Safety, heritage and traffic function all sit on the same narrow piece of road. By April, geotechnical work had confirmed that the issue was deeper than surface pavement damage. Minister Jenny Aitchison said the fill underneath the road had deteriorated and that there were "voids and gaps" within the causeway structure<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-04-10 |title=Minister says there is no 'proper timetable' for reopening NSW highway |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-10/great-western-highway-geotechnical-study-shows-gaps-under-road/106549768 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. Earlier warning signs also matter here. ABC reported that local business groups had raised concerns about the safety and durability of the Convict Bridge before the closure, while broader corridor planning had already identified reliability problems at Victoria Pass<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-10 |title=Government warned now-closed 'horse and cart' Convict Bridge unfit for modern traffic |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-10/great-western-highway-convict-bridge-closed/106432242 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. In other words, the shutdown did not come from nowhere. Official advice suggested that the Darling Causeway and Bells Line of Road detour could add up to 25 minutes to a Blue Mountains crossing<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-13 |title=“We will not risk lives”: Extra rail and transport services to be rolled out as Great Western Highway closure to remain in place for at least three months {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. That figure is tidy, but real life was not. For a person making one flexible trip, 25 minutes may be manageable. For students, workers, freight drivers, medical trips and small businesses relying on passing traffic, the cost was repeated every day. The detour became part of people's routines, not just a line in a traffic update. The state moved quickly once the road was closed. Extra rail, coach and school bus services followed, agencies formed an incident management team, and the government committed A$50 million to improving detour routes such as Darling Causeway, Chifley Road and Lithgow Main Street<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-25 |title=Minns Government commits $50 million to strengthen detour routes during Great Western Highway closure {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/minns-government-commits-50-million-to-strengthen-detour-routes-during-great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Later, Transport for NSW received ten engineering submissions and shortlisted consortia led by Seymour Whyte and Gamuda to develop repair options<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-05-13 |title=Two engineering solutions shortlisted to restore Great Western Highway at Victoria Pass {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/victoria-pass-engineering-solutions-shortlisted |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Those responses were necessary. Yet their timing is hard to ignore: the detour network became urgent only after the main route had already failed. In short, this is less a heritage repair problem than a failure of transport resilience: a known vulnerable link lacked a robust fallback before it failed. The road can eventually reopen, but reopening alone will not explain why that fallback was missing. == Annotated list of factors == {| class="wikitable" ! Actor / Stakeholder group ! Role in the case ! Main interests, concerns and policy relevance |- | '''Transport for NSW, engineers and heritage specialists''' | Led the operational response, including road closure, monitoring, detours and technical assessment. | Transport for NSW had to prioritise public safety once movement was detected at Mitchell’s Causeway. The closure itself was difficult to dispute, but the harder issue sits before the closure: whether the agency had clear enough trigger points for earlier intervention, especially after local concerns about the bridge’s safety had already been raised(Heritage NSW, n.d.). |- | '''Heritage NSW and conservation interests''' | Defined the heritage value of Victoria Pass Causeway and shaped the limits of repair. | Heritage NSW gives the site its historical weight. The causeway matters because much of its colonial engineering remains legible, but that is exactly what complicates repair. Current policy protects the heritage asset, yet it does not clearly answer how that asset should function when it is still part of a freight and commuter route (Heritage NSW, n.d.). |- | '''NSW Government, Minister Jenny Aitchison and the repair decision''' | Managed the political response, public messaging, funding and repair procurement. | The government’s safety-first message was reasonable, but it also narrowed the public conversation. Once the issue was framed mainly as “do not risk lives,” less attention was given to why a known fragile cross-mountain link had no pre-prepared detour capacity strong enough to absorb the failure. The repair decision also has to balance speed, durability, cost, heritage approval and political pressure<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-05-13 |title=Two engineering solutions shortlisted to restore Great Western Highway at Victoria Pass {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/victoria-pass-engineering-solutions-shortlisted |language=en-AU}}</ref>. |- | '''Those who carried the cost: communities, businesses, councils and freight''' | Experienced the practical impacts of the closure on daily travel, local trade and freight movement. | The closure landed unevenly. Local councils had to manage congestion and road wear even though the highway was a state responsibility<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-25 |title=Minns Government commits $50 million to strengthen detour routes during Great Western Highway closure {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/minns-government-commits-50-million-to-strengthen-detour-routes-during-great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Families faced longer school and work trips. Businesses lost customers who used to arrive because the highway brought them past the front door. Freight users were pushed onto less suitable routes through Lithgow, Chifley Road, Darling Causeway and Bells Line of Road<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-05-05 |title=Great Western Highway fix in sight almost 60 days after road shut |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-05/great-western-highway-solution/106641888 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | '''NSW Reconstruction Authority and the Community Coordination Taskforce''' | Coordinated communication between government, councils, industry and affected communities. | The taskforce gave councils, industry and community groups a clearer contact point during the disruption. Its role was narrower than Transport for NSW’s technical role, but it showed how unusual the closure was: the event did not fit neatly into normal disaster arrangements, while affected towns experienced it as a major regional disruption<ref>{{Cite journal |last=Authority |first=NSW Reconstruction |date=2026-03-19 |title=New Taskforce to coordinate support for Great Western Highway communities {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/new-taskforce-to-coordinate-support-for-great-western-highway-communities-0 |language=en-AU}}</ref>. |} == Timeline of events == {| class="wikitable" |+ Timeline of Victoria Pass (Convict Bridge) and 2026 Great Western Highway Events ! Period / Date !! Event !! Description |- | 1829–1833 || Planning, construction and early completion of Victoria Pass (Convict Bridge) || Surveyor-General Thomas Mitchell planned the western route over the Blue Mountains (1829–1830). Construction of Victoria Pass and associated sandstone structures, including the Convict Bridge, began in 1830 using convict labour. The route opened in 1832, providing a key connection between Sydney and the Central West. Final completion works and early repairs continued through 1832–1833 due to steep terrain, engineering constraints, and early structural challenges (NSW Government, n.d.)<ref>{{Cite web |title=Victoria Pass {{!}} Heritage NSW |url=https://apps.environment.nsw.gov.au/dpcheritageapp/ViewHeritageItemDetails.aspx?id=4301023 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=apps.environment.nsw.gov.au}}</ref>. |- | 2007 || Heritage listing || The Victoria Pass precinct, including the Convict Bridge area, was listed on the New South Wales State Heritage Register (NSW Government, n.d.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Victoria Pass {{!}} Heritage NSW |url=https://apps.environment.nsw.gov.au/dpcheritageapp/ViewHeritageItemDetails.aspx?ID=4301023 |access-date=2026-05-23 |website=apps.environment.nsw.gov.au}}</ref>). |- | Early March 2026 || Structural concerns identified || Cracking and instability were identified at the Victoria Pass section of the Great Western Highway (ABC, 2026)<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-19 |title=Highway closure not a 'natural' disaster, NSW government says |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-19/great-western-highway-taskforce/106471918 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | 19 March 2026 || Taskforce established || NSW Government established a multi-agency taskforce to manage response and disruption impacts (ABC, 2026)<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-19 |title=Highway closure not a 'natural' disaster, NSW government says |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-19/great-western-highway-taskforce/106471918 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | 25 March 2026 || Detour funding announced || A $50 million package was announced to upgrade key detour routes including Bells Line of Road, Chifley Road, and Darling Causeway (ABC, 2026<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-25 |title=$50m for Great Western Highway detour routes, as road remains 'unstable' |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-25/funding-to-maintain-detour-roads-in-great-western-highway/106495330 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>). |- | Late March 2026 || Highway closure || The affected section of the highway was closed due to escalating safety risks from structural instability. |- | 10 April 2026 || Geotechnical investigations || Investigations confirmed subsurface voids and significant ground instability beneath the roadway (ABC, 2026)<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-04-10 |title=Minister says there is no 'proper timetable' for reopening NSW highway |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-10/great-western-highway-geotechnical-study-shows-gaps-under-road/106549768 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | April 2026 || Monitoring phase || Ongoing monitoring and assessment of structural conditions continued while long-term solutions were evaluated. |- | 5 May 2026 || Engineering solutions shortlisted || Engineering options were shortlisted for detailed evaluation, progressing toward the design phase (ABC, 2026<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-05-05 |title=Great Western Highway fix in sight almost 60 days after road shut |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-05/great-western-highway-solution/106641888 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>). |} <s>text</s>== Maps of locations == The Great Western Highway is a major transport corridor connecting Sydney to western New South Wales through the Blue Mountains. The failure occurred at Victoria Pass, a steep and historically significant section of the route. Key locations include Victoria Pass (failure point), Mitchell’s Causeway / Convict Bridge area (structural weakness zone), Bells Line of Road (northern detour), Chifley Road (southern detour), and Lithgow approaches (traffic redistribution routes) (ABC, 2026).<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-25 |title=$50m for Great Western Highway detour routes, as road remains 'unstable' |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-25/funding-to-maintain-detour-roads-in-great-western-highway/106495330 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref> Traffic has been diverted across these alternative routes, increasing congestion and travel times across the Blue Mountains corridor due to closure of the primary highway link. [[File:Convict Bridge Location -2026-05-23 at 6.12.22 PM.jpg|thumb|This map shows the location of the Convict Bridge and the associated impacted traffic.]] == Identification of policy issues == === Heritage Listing as Structural Lock-In === The NSW Heritage Act 1977 establishes the State Heritage Register and defines conditions under which listed assets may be altered. The heritage listing for Victoria Pass and Berghofers Pass includes exemptions only for specific works, including emergency stabilisation activities where a structure has been damaged and poses a safety risk. Everything below that threshold falls outside permissible intervention under normal conditions, including the urgently required structural reinforcement of a masonry retained embankment that has been overly exposed to loads beyond its structural capacity. The fundamental incompatibility between a rubble-filled sandstone embankment and 12,000 vehicles per day (including semi-trailer trucks) could not be easily addressed by Transport for NSW without interventions the listing prohibited. Heritage listing without a parallel structural compatibility assessment has converted the bridge from a living piece of infrastructure into a frozen liability. The asset must be preserved as-is while continuing to carry loads it cannot tolerate, with intervention only permitted after the point of failure. The NSW Government’s own geotechnical investigations confirmed that the 200-year-old fill had deteriorated significantly, creating voids and gaps throughout the substructure. It was even acknowledged that without enhanced monitoring installed in late 2025, the structure could have collapsed before defects were detected (NSW Government, 2026)<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-04-10 |title=Geotechnical data to inform long-term solution for Great Western Highway {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/geotechnical-data-to-inform-long-term-solution-for-great-western-highway |language=en-AU}}</ref>. That monitoring was installed three months before failure on a structure that had been carrying highway-grade traffic for over a century. It indicates that the asset management program was operating reactively rather than condition-based mode at this site. === The Substructure Monitoring Deficit === The deterioration of the site was not being tracked through substructure inspection. Enhanced monitoring was installed in December 2025, presenting as proactive stewardship in TfNSW’s public communications, but the fact that real-time structural monitoring was not in place on a known-risk heritage asset carrying primary freight traffic until three months before catastrophic failure indicates an inspection and asset management programme that had not matched its cadence to the risk profile of the structure. === The Announcement-Commitment Gap === The bypass tunnel cancellation is the most politically visible element of the state-level failure, but it sits within a longer pattern of interrupted commitment on the Great Western Highway that substantially predates the Minns government. A prime example of “strategic misrepresentation” in megaproject approval, where proponents deliberately underestimate costs and overestimate benefits to secure political commitment, knowing the commitment will not survive contact with delivery (Flyvberj, 2013)<ref name=":0">{{Cite web |last=Flyvbjerg |first=Bent |date=2013-03-20 |title=Survival of the Unfittest: Why the Worst Infrastructure Gets Built, And What We Can Do about It |url=https://arxiv.org/abs/1303.6571v1 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=arXiv.org |language=en |doi=10.48550/arXiv.1303.6571}}</ref>. Australian governments are prone to announcing projects they have no realistic intention of building within their term, generating regional goodwill at low political cost, while deferring the fiscal and delivery burden to successors who then cancel and repeat the cycle. Flyvbjerg identifies systematic problems in the development process, whereby proponents intentionally misrepresent information and deliberately disregard risks, instigating projects that result in fewer benefits and higher costs than promised (Flyvberj, 2013) <ref name=":0" />. The inverse also applies: announced projects that were always underfunded relative to delivery requirements. This is evident in the proposed twin-tunnel upgrade for the Great Western Highway. In the September 2023 state budget, the Minns government reallocated state funding commitments for the upgrade. In November 2023, the federal government confirmed it would also reallocate its funding commitment, redirecting it to other priorities (TfNSW, 2024) <ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2023-01-30 |title=Blackheath to Little Hartley Upgrade |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/node/19457 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.transport.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref>. The tunnels were formally cancelled in favour of softer commitments. The causeway failed six weeks later. The planning investment was sunk, but the corridor problem it was designed to solve remained. Transport for NSW ultimately paused all work on upgrades to the Great Western Highway between Katoomba and Lithgow, apart from the Medlow Bath and Coxs River Road upgrades, with state and federal funding commitments redirected to other projects (TfNSW, 2026) <ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2023-01-30 |title=Great Western Highway |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/node/19470 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.transport.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref>. === Metro Spending Bias === Sydney Metro alone comprised over a quarter of NSW’s total four-year infrastructure spend in the 2023–24 budget, at $24.9 billion over four years (Infrastructure Partnerships Australia, 2023) <ref>{{Cite web |last=https://www.tophamguerin.com |date=2023-12-18 |title=Australian Infrastructure Budget Monitor 2023-24 |url=https://infrastructure.org.au/policy-research/major-reports/australian-infrastructure-budget-monitor-2023-24/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Infrastructure Partnerships Australia |language=en-US}}</ref>. The bulk of NSW road funding was directed toward the Western Harbour Tunnel and Princes Highway Corridor. The same organisation went on to note that NSW may experience a deficit in the medium to long-term regional pipeline (Infrastructure Partnerships Australia, 2024) <ref>{{Cite web |last=https://www.tophamguerin.com |date=2024-10-24 |title=Australian Infrastructure Budget Monitor 2024-25 |url=https://infrastructure.org.au/policy-research/major-reports/australian-infrastructure-budget-monitor-2024-25/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Infrastructure Partnerships Australia |language=en-US}}</ref>. The Great Western Highway bypass, at a total project cost estimated at $12 billion over an eight-to-ten year build, was cancelled due to being ‘fiscally unachievable’ in the same budget environment that continued to fund cost overruns in the Greater Sydney metropolitan area. The Sydney Metro City and Southwest line alone exceeded its original budget by approximately $5.1 billion, yet an additional $1 billion in interim funding was allocated to the project. Metropolitan projects concentrate benefits in large, media-visible electorates, while regional corridor projects benefit smaller, dispersed populations. Successive budgets treated the Great Western Highway as a maintenance problem rather than a capital investment priority, while overruns in metro-context projects were absorbed without similar scrutiny. This asymmetry was flagged explicitly before the 2023 election, arguing that Labor’s stated intention to redirect Great Western Highway funding to Western Sydney infrastructure would leave the Central West without a safe and productive link to Sydney (Lachlan Shire Council, 2023) <ref>{{Cite web |title=Regional transport and roads could decide State Election |url=https://www.lachlan.nsw.gov.au/News-articles/Regional-transport-and-roads-could-decide-State-Election |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.lachlan.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref>. === Short-Termism and the Electoral Cycle === Major transport infrastructure in Australia runs on a 10–15 year development and delivery horizon. NSW state electoral terms run to four years. No government that announces a major regional infrastructure project opens it. The announcement is the political event; delivery is not. Political short-termism is formally defined in the literature as the systematic prioritisation of short-term net policy benefits over long-term outcomes, hindering policy investments that impose short-term costs on society to address long-term challenges (Ogami, 2024) <ref name=":1">{{Cite journal |last=Ogami |first=Masakazu |date=2024-05-02 |title=The Conditionality of Political Short‐Termism: A Review of Empirical and Experimental Studies |url=https://www.cogitatiopress.com/politicsandgovernance/article/view/7764 |journal=Politics and Governance |language=en |volume=12 |issue=0 |doi=10.17645/pag.7764 |issn=2183-2463}}</ref>. Infrastructure costs are immediate, visible, and attributable; benefits are diffuse, delayed, and frequently credited to successors. The short-term actor announces rather than builds, the incoming government cancels an adversary’s political monument. Contributing traits such as short electoral cycles, voters’ discounting of future policy benefits, and partisanship are particularly acute in the Australian context of short electoral terms and adversarial two-party politics (Ogami, 2024) <ref name=":1" />. There is no institutional obligation on a NSW government to honour prior infrastructure commitments not yet under contract. Independent authorities have no more than advisory power over infrastructure pipelines. Infrastructure NSW and Infrastructure Australia can recommend and prioritise, but not prevent the government from redirecting committed funding upon taking office. === Heritage-Infrastructure Compatibility Framework === The heritage listing at Victoria Pass was the correct cultural heritage decision. However, the systematic framework for assessing and managing compatibility and longevity of heritage-listed infrastructures continues to be absent. The NSW Heritage Act 1977 and its associated guidelines do not require ongoing assessment of whether a listed asset’s structural characteristics remain compatible with the loads placed upon it, or mandate intervention thresholds short of emergency conditions. The NSW State Infrastructure Strategy 2018–2038 recommended introducing an asset management policy with a new assurance model, but its focus was on capital growth and network efficiency, with no meaningful attention on infrastructure compatibility (Affan, 2019) <ref>{{Cite journal |last=Affan |first=Rami |date=10 June, 2019 |title=Getting asset management right: a new framework |url=https://127.0.0.1/getting-asset-management-right-a-new-framework/ |journal=Infrastructure Journal}}</ref>. The gap is not owned by a single agency: Heritage NSW administers the listing conditions; Transport for NSW manages the asset; Treasury funds maintenance allocations. All of which are not required to jointly assess whether a heritage listing, a loading profile, and a maintenance budget are mutually compatible over time. === The Procurement Model and Policy Continuity === Love et. al. argue that the traditional procurement model used by Australian state governments fails to deliver expected benefits for large-scale transport projects, and that a focused policy-making pathway is largely absent. Especially in future-proofing complex infrastructure assets against unanticipated changes in load, use, or structural condition (Love et. al., 2021) <ref>{{Cite journal |date=2021-12-01 |title=A procurement policy-making pathway to future-proof large-scale transport infrastructure assets |url=https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S073988592100041X |journal=Research in Transportation Economics |language=en-US |volume=90 |pages=101069 |doi=10.1016/j.retrec.2021.101069 |issn=0739-8859}}</ref>. The structural consequence is that major transport assets are managed transactionally, without a long-horizon framework for assessing when a structure has moved beyond the envelope of maintainability and requires replacement or bypass. Mitchell’s Causeway is the reductio ad absurdum of this model: a structure well past its design life, carrying loads it was never intended for, preserved by heritage listing from the interventions that would have resolved the incompatibility, and sustained by a maintenance programme that could not address what the listing prevented. Politicisation, inconsistent engagement, and short-termism undermine public trust, and erode reform capability in Australian infrastructure governance. These barriers are embedded in the institutional design of the system, not attributable to the decisions of particular governments (ANU, 2025) <ref>{{Cite web |title=Strengthening Australia's capacity for policy reform {{!}} ANU Institute for Infrastructure in Society |url=https://infrastructure.anu.edu.au/strengthening-australias-capacity-policy-reform |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=infrastructure.anu.edu.au}}</ref>. == Narrative of the case == The Convict Bridge, also known as Mitchell’s Causeway, highlights a classic infrastructure paradox: a historically significant asset continues to perform a modern, high-demand transport function long after its design life has expired. Built in 1832 under the supervision of Major Thomas Mitchell<ref>{{Citation |title=Mitchell's Causeway |date=2026-05-20 |url=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mitchell%27s_Causeway&oldid=1355157766 |work=Wikipedia |access-date=2026-05-23 |language=en}}</ref>, during the colonial era using convict labor, the bridge is one of Australia’s earliest and most significant transport assets. For almost two centuries, it has played a vital role in connecting communities across the Blue Mountains and supporting movement between Sydney and inland New South Wales. The structure itself was an engineering achievement for its time. Rather than a conventional bridge, Mitchell’s Causeway was designed as a massive sandstone retaining embankment built across a natural depression between escarpment outcrops. Convict laborers manually quarried sandstone, constructed retaining walls, and filled the interior with rubble and earth to create a level transport platform. Some of the original convict engravings remain visible on the sandstone blocks today, reinforcing the site’s cultural and historical significance. At the time of its heritage listing, the structure was recognized as one of the few substantial surviving stone causeways from the early colonial era in New South Wales<ref>{{Citation |title=Mitchell's Causeway |date=2026-05-20 |url=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mitchell%27s_Causeway&oldid=1355157766 |work=Wikipedia |access-date=2026-05-23 |language=en}}</ref> . Over time, the bridge became an essential transport link within the regional road network. However, its original design was never intended to accommodate the heavy traffic volumes and vehicle loads associated with contemporary transport systems. The bridge later became integrated into the Great Western Highway network as motor vehicle ownership increased during the twentieth century. As decades passed, increasing pressure placed stress on the sandstone retaining walls and the underlying structure. Although engineers had identified signs of deterioration in earlier years, intervention was limited due to heritage restrictions and funding priorities. As a result, most works focused on surface-level upgrades rather than major structural improvements. Eventually, geotechnical instability emerged, with reports identifying movement in retaining walls and buttresses<ref>{{Cite web |title= |url=https://www.nationaltrust.org.au/conservation-landscape-mitchells-causeway/? |access-date= |website=}}</ref> . Concerns intensified in late 2025 when local stakeholders warned that the bridge could potentially fail under modern loading conditions. Despite these warnings, immediate policy action was limited. Instead, authorities relied primarily on monitoring technologies, reflecting a reactive rather than preventative approach to infrastructure management<ref>{{Cite journal |last= |first= |date= |title=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-10/great-western-highway-convict-bridge-closed/106432242 |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-10/great-western-highway-convict-bridge-closed/106432242 |journal= |language=en-AU}}</ref> . The situation escalated on 5 March 2026 when Transport for NSW identified defects in the road surface of Mitchell’s Causeway. Initial investigations revealed movement within the structure, leading authorities to close the eastbound lane while geotechnical monitoring commenced. However, within days, additional stress fractures and visible cracking appeared across the roadway surface, indicating that the problem extended beyond superficial pavement damage. On 8 March 2026, the bridge was fully closed to all traffic, including emergency services, due to fears of major structural instability. The closure immediately disrupted a major transport corridor used by approximately 12,000 people daily and forced motorists and freight operators to take lengthy detours<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-13 |title=“We will not risk lives”: Extra rail and transport services to be rolled out as Great Western Highway closure to remain in place for at least three months {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. The closure immediately exposed the vulnerability of regional transport connectivity in New South Wales. With Victoria Pass shut, traffic was diverted through alternative routes such as Darling Causeway and Bells Line of Road. These detour routes were not designed to accommodate the redirected freight volumes and experienced substantial congestion, safety risks, and increased travel times.. Communities across Lithgow, Mount Victoria, and the Central West experienced longer travel times, economic impacts, and reduced accessibility, while freight transport became less efficient and more expensive<ref>{{Cite news |last=Buckley |first=Penry |last2=Larkin |first2=Jack |date=2026-03-13 |title=A key Blue Mountains road closure is blowing out travel times – and causing ‘red hot anger’ among locals |language=en-GB |work=The Guardian |url=https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2026/mar/14/blue-mountains-road-convict-bridge-closure-nsw-travel |access-date=2026-05-22 |issn=0261-3077}}</ref> . Importantly, the incident demonstrated how vulnerable regional transport systems in New South Wales can become when they depend heavily on a single piece of infrastructure. Alternative routes, including the Bells Line of Road, were not designed to accommodate the sudden increase in redirected freight and traffic volumes, creating additional congestion and safety concerns<ref>{{Cite web |title=Client Challenge |url=https://www.hawkesburygazette.com/victoria-pass-closure-sends-shockwaves-along-blor-to-richmond-and-beyond/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.hawkesburygazette.com}}</ref>. The closure also generated broader public debate about infrastructure resilience and government planning. Critics argued that authorities had relied too heavily on reactive management approaches rather than proactive infrastructure renewal. While Transport for NSW rapidly deployed monitoring systems, commissioned geotechnical investigations, and introduced additional public transport services, these responses primarily addressed the immediate operational consequences rather than the underlying structural problems. From a governance perspective, the response further underscores systemic weaknesses. While the NSW Government implemented short-term mitigation measures for example increased public transport services—these actions addressed symptoms rather than underlying causes. Following the closure, the NSW Government initiated an accelerated engineering procurement process to identify possible repair or replacement solutions. Engineering firms from Australia and overseas were invited to submit proposals aimed at restoring the corridor while preserving heritage considerations. Government agencies acknowledged that any future solution would likely involve substantial reconstruction and modern reinforcement to meet current transport demands and resilience standards <ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-05-05 |title=Great Western Highway fix in sight almost 60 days after road shut |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-05/great-western-highway-solution/106641888 |access-date=2026-05-23}}</ref>. The urgency of post-failure engineering procurement highlights how crisis conditions often accelerate decision-making that had been deferred under normal circumstances<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-13 |title=“We will not risk lives”: Extra rail and transport services to be rolled out as Great Western Highway closure to remain in place for at least three months {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Ultimately, the Convict Bridge case reflects a wider issue in infrastructure planning and asset management: the disconnect between long-term infrastructure needs and short-term political, financial, and policy constraints. Rather than being an unexpected failure, closure can be understood as the result of years of deferred intervention, competing priorities between heritage preservation and operational performance, and limited proactive investment in resilient transport infrastructure. ==Discussion Questions== 1: Is the announcement-commitment gap a failure of political will, or an inevitable product of democratic institutional design? 2: Did the heritage listing of Victoria Pass serve the public interest, or did it subordinate infrastructure safety to cultural preservation in a way that was never transparently debated? 3: Existing Cost-Benefit Analysis process justifies projects based on actual usage and density, which is naturally unfavorable for infrastructure funding in regional and remote areas, how can we close this gap? 4: The causeway’s failure was physically gradual but politically sudden, and it can be traced back to the absence of political accountability. What measures can be put in place in the existing decision making framework that will meaningfully mitigate this? ==Further reading== '''1. Transport for NSW. (2023). ''Crossing the Blue Mountains: The Great Western Road'''''<ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport |title=Crossing the Blue Mountains |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/system/files/media/documents/2023/crossing_the_blue_mountains_the_great_western_road.pdf}}</ref> '''.''' Official NSW Government historical report on the development of transport infrastructure across the Blue Mountains. '''2. Project Gutenberg Australia. ''Three Expeditions into the Interior of Eastern Australia – Thomas Mitchell''''' <ref>{{Cite web |title=Three Expeditions into the Interior V2 |url=https://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks/e00036.html |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=gutenberg.net.au}}</ref>'''.''' Historical primary source documenting early colonial exploration and road development. 3. '''Sydney to Central West Corridors White Paper (Transport for NSW)'''<ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2025-12-03 |title=Sydney to Central West Corridors White Paper |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/node/31741 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.transport.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref> A strategic planning document assessing capacity, safety, and resilience challenges along the Great Western Highway and alternative routes. 4. '''Australia’s Longest Road Tunnel Proposal – Blue Mountains'''<ref>{{Cite web |last=Walker |first=Nicole |date=2022-05-23 |title=Australia's longest road tunnel through Blue Mountains |url=https://concreteinstitute.com.au/australias-longest-road-tunnel-through-blue-mountains/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Concrete Institute of Australia |language=en-AU}}</ref> Discusses proposed large-scale infrastructure solutions to improve safety, reduce travel times, and increase resilience. 5. '''Salah, R.; Szép, J.; Ajtayné Károlyfi, K.; Géczy, N. An Investigation of Historic Transportation Infrastructure Preservation and Improvement through Historic Building Information Modeling. ''Infrastructures'' 2024, ''9'', 114''' . ==References== 0lchcvoh4ntlg2ahvqx58rwf0wkjkaw 4637161 4637154 2026-05-23T10:17:09Z ~2026-30823-37 3592853 /* Annotated list of actors */ 4637161 wikitext text/x-wiki == Summary == In early March 2026, Mitchell's Causeway at Victoria Pass suffered serious structural damage, abruptly closing a critical highway link between Sydney and the Central West. Known locally as the Convict Bridge, the causeway carries the Great Western Highway between Little Hartley and Mount Victoria, where around 12,000 vehicles normally passed each day <ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-05-05 |title=Great Western Highway fix in sight almost 60 days after road shut |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-05/great-western-highway-solution/106641888 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. Once the road closed, that traffic had to move through longer and less suitable mountain detours. The problem was not just that an old bridge cracked. More uncomfortable is the fact that this old bridge was still doing the job of a modern strategic road. Mitchell's Causeway is historically valuable because it remains a rare example of colonial road engineering. Heritage NSW records that the Victoria Pass Causeway was built between 1829 and 1832 and has retained much of its original form and fabric<ref>{{Cite web |title=Victoria Pass {{!}} Heritage NSW |url=https://apps.environment.nsw.gov.au/dpcheritageapp/ViewHeritageItemDetails.aspx?ID=4301023 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=apps.environment.nsw.gov.au}}</ref>. That heritage value matters, but it also makes the present-day transport problem harder. A normal road asset can be rebuilt with fewer constraints; a convict-built causeway on the State Heritage Register cannot be treated so casually. Safety, heritage and traffic function all sit on the same narrow piece of road. By April, geotechnical work had confirmed that the issue was deeper than surface pavement damage. Minister Jenny Aitchison said the fill underneath the road had deteriorated and that there were "voids and gaps" within the causeway structure<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-04-10 |title=Minister says there is no 'proper timetable' for reopening NSW highway |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-10/great-western-highway-geotechnical-study-shows-gaps-under-road/106549768 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. Earlier warning signs also matter here. ABC reported that local business groups had raised concerns about the safety and durability of the Convict Bridge before the closure, while broader corridor planning had already identified reliability problems at Victoria Pass<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-10 |title=Government warned now-closed 'horse and cart' Convict Bridge unfit for modern traffic |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-10/great-western-highway-convict-bridge-closed/106432242 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. In other words, the shutdown did not come from nowhere. Official advice suggested that the Darling Causeway and Bells Line of Road detour could add up to 25 minutes to a Blue Mountains crossing<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-13 |title=“We will not risk lives”: Extra rail and transport services to be rolled out as Great Western Highway closure to remain in place for at least three months {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. That figure is tidy, but real life was not. For a person making one flexible trip, 25 minutes may be manageable. For students, workers, freight drivers, medical trips and small businesses relying on passing traffic, the cost was repeated every day. The detour became part of people's routines, not just a line in a traffic update. The state moved quickly once the road was closed. Extra rail, coach and school bus services followed, agencies formed an incident management team, and the government committed A$50 million to improving detour routes such as Darling Causeway, Chifley Road and Lithgow Main Street<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-25 |title=Minns Government commits $50 million to strengthen detour routes during Great Western Highway closure {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/minns-government-commits-50-million-to-strengthen-detour-routes-during-great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Later, Transport for NSW received ten engineering submissions and shortlisted consortia led by Seymour Whyte and Gamuda to develop repair options<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-05-13 |title=Two engineering solutions shortlisted to restore Great Western Highway at Victoria Pass {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/victoria-pass-engineering-solutions-shortlisted |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Those responses were necessary. Yet their timing is hard to ignore: the detour network became urgent only after the main route had already failed. In short, this is less a heritage repair problem than a failure of transport resilience: a known vulnerable link lacked a robust fallback before it failed. The road can eventually reopen, but reopening alone will not explain why that fallback was missing. == Annotated list of actors == {| class="wikitable" ! Actor / Stakeholder group ! Role in the case ! Main interests, concerns and policy relevance |- | '''Transport for NSW, engineers and heritage specialists''' | Led the operational response, including road closure, monitoring, detours and technical assessment. | Transport for NSW had to prioritise public safety once movement was detected at Mitchell’s Causeway. The closure itself was difficult to dispute, but the harder issue sits before the closure: whether the agency had clear enough trigger points for earlier intervention, especially after local concerns about the bridge’s safety had already been raised(Heritage NSW, n.d.). |- | '''Heritage NSW and conservation interests''' | Defined the heritage value of Victoria Pass Causeway and shaped the limits of repair. | Heritage NSW gives the site its historical weight. The causeway matters because much of its colonial engineering remains legible, but that is exactly what complicates repair. Current policy protects the heritage asset, yet it does not clearly answer how that asset should function when it is still part of a freight and commuter route (Heritage NSW, n.d.). |- | '''NSW Government, Minister Jenny Aitchison and the repair decision''' | Managed the political response, public messaging, funding and repair procurement. | The government’s safety-first message was reasonable, but it also narrowed the public conversation. Once the issue was framed mainly as “do not risk lives,” less attention was given to why a known fragile cross-mountain link had no pre-prepared detour capacity strong enough to absorb the failure. The repair decision also has to balance speed, durability, cost, heritage approval and political pressure<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-05-13 |title=Two engineering solutions shortlisted to restore Great Western Highway at Victoria Pass {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/victoria-pass-engineering-solutions-shortlisted |language=en-AU}}</ref>. |- | '''Those who carried the cost: communities, businesses, councils and freight''' | Experienced the practical impacts of the closure on daily travel, local trade and freight movement. | The closure landed unevenly. Local councils had to manage congestion and road wear even though the highway was a state responsibility<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-25 |title=Minns Government commits $50 million to strengthen detour routes during Great Western Highway closure {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/minns-government-commits-50-million-to-strengthen-detour-routes-during-great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Families faced longer school and work trips. Businesses lost customers who used to arrive because the highway brought them past the front door. Freight users were pushed onto less suitable routes through Lithgow, Chifley Road, Darling Causeway and Bells Line of Road<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-05-05 |title=Great Western Highway fix in sight almost 60 days after road shut |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-05/great-western-highway-solution/106641888 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | '''NSW Reconstruction Authority and the Community Coordination Taskforce''' | Coordinated communication between government, councils, industry and affected communities. | The taskforce gave councils, industry and community groups a clearer contact point during the disruption. Its role was narrower than Transport for NSW’s technical role, but it showed how unusual the closure was: the event did not fit neatly into normal disaster arrangements, while affected towns experienced it as a major regional disruption<ref>{{Cite journal |last=Authority |first=NSW Reconstruction |date=2026-03-19 |title=New Taskforce to coordinate support for Great Western Highway communities {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/new-taskforce-to-coordinate-support-for-great-western-highway-communities-0 |language=en-AU}}</ref>. |} == Timeline of events == {| class="wikitable" |+ Timeline of Victoria Pass (Convict Bridge) and 2026 Great Western Highway Events ! Period / Date !! Event !! Description |- | 1829–1833 || Planning, construction and early completion of Victoria Pass (Convict Bridge) || Surveyor-General Thomas Mitchell planned the western route over the Blue Mountains (1829–1830). Construction of Victoria Pass and associated sandstone structures, including the Convict Bridge, began in 1830 using convict labour. The route opened in 1832, providing a key connection between Sydney and the Central West. Final completion works and early repairs continued through 1832–1833 due to steep terrain, engineering constraints, and early structural challenges (NSW Government, n.d.)<ref>{{Cite web |title=Victoria Pass {{!}} Heritage NSW |url=https://apps.environment.nsw.gov.au/dpcheritageapp/ViewHeritageItemDetails.aspx?id=4301023 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=apps.environment.nsw.gov.au}}</ref>. |- | 2007 || Heritage listing || The Victoria Pass precinct, including the Convict Bridge area, was listed on the New South Wales State Heritage Register (NSW Government, n.d.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Victoria Pass {{!}} Heritage NSW |url=https://apps.environment.nsw.gov.au/dpcheritageapp/ViewHeritageItemDetails.aspx?ID=4301023 |access-date=2026-05-23 |website=apps.environment.nsw.gov.au}}</ref>). |- | Early March 2026 || Structural concerns identified || Cracking and instability were identified at the Victoria Pass section of the Great Western Highway (ABC, 2026)<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-19 |title=Highway closure not a 'natural' disaster, NSW government says |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-19/great-western-highway-taskforce/106471918 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | 19 March 2026 || Taskforce established || NSW Government established a multi-agency taskforce to manage response and disruption impacts (ABC, 2026)<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-19 |title=Highway closure not a 'natural' disaster, NSW government says |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-19/great-western-highway-taskforce/106471918 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | 25 March 2026 || Detour funding announced || A $50 million package was announced to upgrade key detour routes including Bells Line of Road, Chifley Road, and Darling Causeway (ABC, 2026<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-25 |title=$50m for Great Western Highway detour routes, as road remains 'unstable' |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-25/funding-to-maintain-detour-roads-in-great-western-highway/106495330 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>). |- | Late March 2026 || Highway closure || The affected section of the highway was closed due to escalating safety risks from structural instability. |- | 10 April 2026 || Geotechnical investigations || Investigations confirmed subsurface voids and significant ground instability beneath the roadway (ABC, 2026)<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-04-10 |title=Minister says there is no 'proper timetable' for reopening NSW highway |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-04-10/great-western-highway-geotechnical-study-shows-gaps-under-road/106549768 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>. |- | April 2026 || Monitoring phase || Ongoing monitoring and assessment of structural conditions continued while long-term solutions were evaluated. |- | 5 May 2026 || Engineering solutions shortlisted || Engineering options were shortlisted for detailed evaluation, progressing toward the design phase (ABC, 2026<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-05-05 |title=Great Western Highway fix in sight almost 60 days after road shut |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-05/great-western-highway-solution/106641888 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref>). |} <s>text</s>== Maps of locations == The Great Western Highway is a major transport corridor connecting Sydney to western New South Wales through the Blue Mountains. The failure occurred at Victoria Pass, a steep and historically significant section of the route. Key locations include Victoria Pass (failure point), Mitchell’s Causeway / Convict Bridge area (structural weakness zone), Bells Line of Road (northern detour), Chifley Road (southern detour), and Lithgow approaches (traffic redistribution routes) (ABC, 2026).<ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-03-25 |title=$50m for Great Western Highway detour routes, as road remains 'unstable' |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-25/funding-to-maintain-detour-roads-in-great-western-highway/106495330 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref> Traffic has been diverted across these alternative routes, increasing congestion and travel times across the Blue Mountains corridor due to closure of the primary highway link. [[File:Convict Bridge Location -2026-05-23 at 6.12.22 PM.jpg|thumb|This map shows the location of the Convict Bridge and the associated impacted traffic.]] == Identification of policy issues == === Heritage Listing as Structural Lock-In === The NSW Heritage Act 1977 establishes the State Heritage Register and defines conditions under which listed assets may be altered. The heritage listing for Victoria Pass and Berghofers Pass includes exemptions only for specific works, including emergency stabilisation activities where a structure has been damaged and poses a safety risk. Everything below that threshold falls outside permissible intervention under normal conditions, including the urgently required structural reinforcement of a masonry retained embankment that has been overly exposed to loads beyond its structural capacity. The fundamental incompatibility between a rubble-filled sandstone embankment and 12,000 vehicles per day (including semi-trailer trucks) could not be easily addressed by Transport for NSW without interventions the listing prohibited. Heritage listing without a parallel structural compatibility assessment has converted the bridge from a living piece of infrastructure into a frozen liability. The asset must be preserved as-is while continuing to carry loads it cannot tolerate, with intervention only permitted after the point of failure. The NSW Government’s own geotechnical investigations confirmed that the 200-year-old fill had deteriorated significantly, creating voids and gaps throughout the substructure. It was even acknowledged that without enhanced monitoring installed in late 2025, the structure could have collapsed before defects were detected (NSW Government, 2026)<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-04-10 |title=Geotechnical data to inform long-term solution for Great Western Highway {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/geotechnical-data-to-inform-long-term-solution-for-great-western-highway |language=en-AU}}</ref>. That monitoring was installed three months before failure on a structure that had been carrying highway-grade traffic for over a century. It indicates that the asset management program was operating reactively rather than condition-based mode at this site. === The Substructure Monitoring Deficit === The deterioration of the site was not being tracked through substructure inspection. Enhanced monitoring was installed in December 2025, presenting as proactive stewardship in TfNSW’s public communications, but the fact that real-time structural monitoring was not in place on a known-risk heritage asset carrying primary freight traffic until three months before catastrophic failure indicates an inspection and asset management programme that had not matched its cadence to the risk profile of the structure. === The Announcement-Commitment Gap === The bypass tunnel cancellation is the most politically visible element of the state-level failure, but it sits within a longer pattern of interrupted commitment on the Great Western Highway that substantially predates the Minns government. A prime example of “strategic misrepresentation” in megaproject approval, where proponents deliberately underestimate costs and overestimate benefits to secure political commitment, knowing the commitment will not survive contact with delivery (Flyvberj, 2013)<ref name=":0">{{Cite web |last=Flyvbjerg |first=Bent |date=2013-03-20 |title=Survival of the Unfittest: Why the Worst Infrastructure Gets Built, And What We Can Do about It |url=https://arxiv.org/abs/1303.6571v1 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=arXiv.org |language=en |doi=10.48550/arXiv.1303.6571}}</ref>. Australian governments are prone to announcing projects they have no realistic intention of building within their term, generating regional goodwill at low political cost, while deferring the fiscal and delivery burden to successors who then cancel and repeat the cycle. Flyvbjerg identifies systematic problems in the development process, whereby proponents intentionally misrepresent information and deliberately disregard risks, instigating projects that result in fewer benefits and higher costs than promised (Flyvberj, 2013) <ref name=":0" />. The inverse also applies: announced projects that were always underfunded relative to delivery requirements. This is evident in the proposed twin-tunnel upgrade for the Great Western Highway. In the September 2023 state budget, the Minns government reallocated state funding commitments for the upgrade. In November 2023, the federal government confirmed it would also reallocate its funding commitment, redirecting it to other priorities (TfNSW, 2024) <ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2023-01-30 |title=Blackheath to Little Hartley Upgrade |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/node/19457 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.transport.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref>. The tunnels were formally cancelled in favour of softer commitments. The causeway failed six weeks later. The planning investment was sunk, but the corridor problem it was designed to solve remained. Transport for NSW ultimately paused all work on upgrades to the Great Western Highway between Katoomba and Lithgow, apart from the Medlow Bath and Coxs River Road upgrades, with state and federal funding commitments redirected to other projects (TfNSW, 2026) <ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2023-01-30 |title=Great Western Highway |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/node/19470 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.transport.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref>. === Metro Spending Bias === Sydney Metro alone comprised over a quarter of NSW’s total four-year infrastructure spend in the 2023–24 budget, at $24.9 billion over four years (Infrastructure Partnerships Australia, 2023) <ref>{{Cite web |last=https://www.tophamguerin.com |date=2023-12-18 |title=Australian Infrastructure Budget Monitor 2023-24 |url=https://infrastructure.org.au/policy-research/major-reports/australian-infrastructure-budget-monitor-2023-24/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Infrastructure Partnerships Australia |language=en-US}}</ref>. The bulk of NSW road funding was directed toward the Western Harbour Tunnel and Princes Highway Corridor. The same organisation went on to note that NSW may experience a deficit in the medium to long-term regional pipeline (Infrastructure Partnerships Australia, 2024) <ref>{{Cite web |last=https://www.tophamguerin.com |date=2024-10-24 |title=Australian Infrastructure Budget Monitor 2024-25 |url=https://infrastructure.org.au/policy-research/major-reports/australian-infrastructure-budget-monitor-2024-25/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Infrastructure Partnerships Australia |language=en-US}}</ref>. The Great Western Highway bypass, at a total project cost estimated at $12 billion over an eight-to-ten year build, was cancelled due to being ‘fiscally unachievable’ in the same budget environment that continued to fund cost overruns in the Greater Sydney metropolitan area. The Sydney Metro City and Southwest line alone exceeded its original budget by approximately $5.1 billion, yet an additional $1 billion in interim funding was allocated to the project. Metropolitan projects concentrate benefits in large, media-visible electorates, while regional corridor projects benefit smaller, dispersed populations. Successive budgets treated the Great Western Highway as a maintenance problem rather than a capital investment priority, while overruns in metro-context projects were absorbed without similar scrutiny. This asymmetry was flagged explicitly before the 2023 election, arguing that Labor’s stated intention to redirect Great Western Highway funding to Western Sydney infrastructure would leave the Central West without a safe and productive link to Sydney (Lachlan Shire Council, 2023) <ref>{{Cite web |title=Regional transport and roads could decide State Election |url=https://www.lachlan.nsw.gov.au/News-articles/Regional-transport-and-roads-could-decide-State-Election |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.lachlan.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref>. === Short-Termism and the Electoral Cycle === Major transport infrastructure in Australia runs on a 10–15 year development and delivery horizon. NSW state electoral terms run to four years. No government that announces a major regional infrastructure project opens it. The announcement is the political event; delivery is not. Political short-termism is formally defined in the literature as the systematic prioritisation of short-term net policy benefits over long-term outcomes, hindering policy investments that impose short-term costs on society to address long-term challenges (Ogami, 2024) <ref name=":1">{{Cite journal |last=Ogami |first=Masakazu |date=2024-05-02 |title=The Conditionality of Political Short‐Termism: A Review of Empirical and Experimental Studies |url=https://www.cogitatiopress.com/politicsandgovernance/article/view/7764 |journal=Politics and Governance |language=en |volume=12 |issue=0 |doi=10.17645/pag.7764 |issn=2183-2463}}</ref>. Infrastructure costs are immediate, visible, and attributable; benefits are diffuse, delayed, and frequently credited to successors. The short-term actor announces rather than builds, the incoming government cancels an adversary’s political monument. Contributing traits such as short electoral cycles, voters’ discounting of future policy benefits, and partisanship are particularly acute in the Australian context of short electoral terms and adversarial two-party politics (Ogami, 2024) <ref name=":1" />. There is no institutional obligation on a NSW government to honour prior infrastructure commitments not yet under contract. Independent authorities have no more than advisory power over infrastructure pipelines. Infrastructure NSW and Infrastructure Australia can recommend and prioritise, but not prevent the government from redirecting committed funding upon taking office. === Heritage-Infrastructure Compatibility Framework === The heritage listing at Victoria Pass was the correct cultural heritage decision. However, the systematic framework for assessing and managing compatibility and longevity of heritage-listed infrastructures continues to be absent. The NSW Heritage Act 1977 and its associated guidelines do not require ongoing assessment of whether a listed asset’s structural characteristics remain compatible with the loads placed upon it, or mandate intervention thresholds short of emergency conditions. The NSW State Infrastructure Strategy 2018–2038 recommended introducing an asset management policy with a new assurance model, but its focus was on capital growth and network efficiency, with no meaningful attention on infrastructure compatibility (Affan, 2019) <ref>{{Cite journal |last=Affan |first=Rami |date=10 June, 2019 |title=Getting asset management right: a new framework |url=https://127.0.0.1/getting-asset-management-right-a-new-framework/ |journal=Infrastructure Journal}}</ref>. The gap is not owned by a single agency: Heritage NSW administers the listing conditions; Transport for NSW manages the asset; Treasury funds maintenance allocations. All of which are not required to jointly assess whether a heritage listing, a loading profile, and a maintenance budget are mutually compatible over time. === The Procurement Model and Policy Continuity === Love et. al. argue that the traditional procurement model used by Australian state governments fails to deliver expected benefits for large-scale transport projects, and that a focused policy-making pathway is largely absent. Especially in future-proofing complex infrastructure assets against unanticipated changes in load, use, or structural condition (Love et. al., 2021) <ref>{{Cite journal |date=2021-12-01 |title=A procurement policy-making pathway to future-proof large-scale transport infrastructure assets |url=https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S073988592100041X |journal=Research in Transportation Economics |language=en-US |volume=90 |pages=101069 |doi=10.1016/j.retrec.2021.101069 |issn=0739-8859}}</ref>. The structural consequence is that major transport assets are managed transactionally, without a long-horizon framework for assessing when a structure has moved beyond the envelope of maintainability and requires replacement or bypass. Mitchell’s Causeway is the reductio ad absurdum of this model: a structure well past its design life, carrying loads it was never intended for, preserved by heritage listing from the interventions that would have resolved the incompatibility, and sustained by a maintenance programme that could not address what the listing prevented. Politicisation, inconsistent engagement, and short-termism undermine public trust, and erode reform capability in Australian infrastructure governance. These barriers are embedded in the institutional design of the system, not attributable to the decisions of particular governments (ANU, 2025) <ref>{{Cite web |title=Strengthening Australia's capacity for policy reform {{!}} ANU Institute for Infrastructure in Society |url=https://infrastructure.anu.edu.au/strengthening-australias-capacity-policy-reform |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=infrastructure.anu.edu.au}}</ref>. == Narrative of the case == The Convict Bridge, also known as Mitchell’s Causeway, highlights a classic infrastructure paradox: a historically significant asset continues to perform a modern, high-demand transport function long after its design life has expired. Built in 1832 under the supervision of Major Thomas Mitchell<ref>{{Citation |title=Mitchell's Causeway |date=2026-05-20 |url=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mitchell%27s_Causeway&oldid=1355157766 |work=Wikipedia |access-date=2026-05-23 |language=en}}</ref>, during the colonial era using convict labor, the bridge is one of Australia’s earliest and most significant transport assets. For almost two centuries, it has played a vital role in connecting communities across the Blue Mountains and supporting movement between Sydney and inland New South Wales. The structure itself was an engineering achievement for its time. Rather than a conventional bridge, Mitchell’s Causeway was designed as a massive sandstone retaining embankment built across a natural depression between escarpment outcrops. Convict laborers manually quarried sandstone, constructed retaining walls, and filled the interior with rubble and earth to create a level transport platform. Some of the original convict engravings remain visible on the sandstone blocks today, reinforcing the site’s cultural and historical significance. At the time of its heritage listing, the structure was recognized as one of the few substantial surviving stone causeways from the early colonial era in New South Wales<ref>{{Citation |title=Mitchell's Causeway |date=2026-05-20 |url=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mitchell%27s_Causeway&oldid=1355157766 |work=Wikipedia |access-date=2026-05-23 |language=en}}</ref> . Over time, the bridge became an essential transport link within the regional road network. However, its original design was never intended to accommodate the heavy traffic volumes and vehicle loads associated with contemporary transport systems. The bridge later became integrated into the Great Western Highway network as motor vehicle ownership increased during the twentieth century. As decades passed, increasing pressure placed stress on the sandstone retaining walls and the underlying structure. Although engineers had identified signs of deterioration in earlier years, intervention was limited due to heritage restrictions and funding priorities. As a result, most works focused on surface-level upgrades rather than major structural improvements. Eventually, geotechnical instability emerged, with reports identifying movement in retaining walls and buttresses<ref>{{Cite web |title= |url=https://www.nationaltrust.org.au/conservation-landscape-mitchells-causeway/? |access-date= |website=}}</ref> . Concerns intensified in late 2025 when local stakeholders warned that the bridge could potentially fail under modern loading conditions. Despite these warnings, immediate policy action was limited. Instead, authorities relied primarily on monitoring technologies, reflecting a reactive rather than preventative approach to infrastructure management<ref>{{Cite journal |last= |first= |date= |title=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-10/great-western-highway-convict-bridge-closed/106432242 |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-03-10/great-western-highway-convict-bridge-closed/106432242 |journal= |language=en-AU}}</ref> . The situation escalated on 5 March 2026 when Transport for NSW identified defects in the road surface of Mitchell’s Causeway. Initial investigations revealed movement within the structure, leading authorities to close the eastbound lane while geotechnical monitoring commenced. However, within days, additional stress fractures and visible cracking appeared across the roadway surface, indicating that the problem extended beyond superficial pavement damage. On 8 March 2026, the bridge was fully closed to all traffic, including emergency services, due to fears of major structural instability. The closure immediately disrupted a major transport corridor used by approximately 12,000 people daily and forced motorists and freight operators to take lengthy detours<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-13 |title=“We will not risk lives”: Extra rail and transport services to be rolled out as Great Western Highway closure to remain in place for at least three months {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. The closure immediately exposed the vulnerability of regional transport connectivity in New South Wales. With Victoria Pass shut, traffic was diverted through alternative routes such as Darling Causeway and Bells Line of Road. These detour routes were not designed to accommodate the redirected freight volumes and experienced substantial congestion, safety risks, and increased travel times.. Communities across Lithgow, Mount Victoria, and the Central West experienced longer travel times, economic impacts, and reduced accessibility, while freight transport became less efficient and more expensive<ref>{{Cite news |last=Buckley |first=Penry |last2=Larkin |first2=Jack |date=2026-03-13 |title=A key Blue Mountains road closure is blowing out travel times – and causing ‘red hot anger’ among locals |language=en-GB |work=The Guardian |url=https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2026/mar/14/blue-mountains-road-convict-bridge-closure-nsw-travel |access-date=2026-05-22 |issn=0261-3077}}</ref> . Importantly, the incident demonstrated how vulnerable regional transport systems in New South Wales can become when they depend heavily on a single piece of infrastructure. Alternative routes, including the Bells Line of Road, were not designed to accommodate the sudden increase in redirected freight and traffic volumes, creating additional congestion and safety concerns<ref>{{Cite web |title=Client Challenge |url=https://www.hawkesburygazette.com/victoria-pass-closure-sends-shockwaves-along-blor-to-richmond-and-beyond/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.hawkesburygazette.com}}</ref>. The closure also generated broader public debate about infrastructure resilience and government planning. Critics argued that authorities had relied too heavily on reactive management approaches rather than proactive infrastructure renewal. While Transport for NSW rapidly deployed monitoring systems, commissioned geotechnical investigations, and introduced additional public transport services, these responses primarily addressed the immediate operational consequences rather than the underlying structural problems. From a governance perspective, the response further underscores systemic weaknesses. While the NSW Government implemented short-term mitigation measures for example increased public transport services—these actions addressed symptoms rather than underlying causes. Following the closure, the NSW Government initiated an accelerated engineering procurement process to identify possible repair or replacement solutions. Engineering firms from Australia and overseas were invited to submit proposals aimed at restoring the corridor while preserving heritage considerations. Government agencies acknowledged that any future solution would likely involve substantial reconstruction and modern reinforcement to meet current transport demands and resilience standards <ref>{{Cite news |date=2026-05-05 |title=Great Western Highway fix in sight almost 60 days after road shut |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-05/great-western-highway-solution/106641888 |access-date=2026-05-23}}</ref>. The urgency of post-failure engineering procurement highlights how crisis conditions often accelerate decision-making that had been deferred under normal circumstances<ref>{{Cite journal |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2026-03-13 |title=“We will not risk lives”: Extra rail and transport services to be rolled out as Great Western Highway closure to remain in place for at least three months {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/great-western-highway-closure |language=en-AU}}</ref>. Ultimately, the Convict Bridge case reflects a wider issue in infrastructure planning and asset management: the disconnect between long-term infrastructure needs and short-term political, financial, and policy constraints. Rather than being an unexpected failure, closure can be understood as the result of years of deferred intervention, competing priorities between heritage preservation and operational performance, and limited proactive investment in resilient transport infrastructure. ==Discussion Questions== 1: Is the announcement-commitment gap a failure of political will, or an inevitable product of democratic institutional design? 2: Did the heritage listing of Victoria Pass serve the public interest, or did it subordinate infrastructure safety to cultural preservation in a way that was never transparently debated? 3: Existing Cost-Benefit Analysis process justifies projects based on actual usage and density, which is naturally unfavorable for infrastructure funding in regional and remote areas, how can we close this gap? 4: The causeway’s failure was physically gradual but politically sudden, and it can be traced back to the absence of political accountability. What measures can be put in place in the existing decision making framework that will meaningfully mitigate this? ==Further reading== '''1. Transport for NSW. (2023). ''Crossing the Blue Mountains: The Great Western Road'''''<ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport |title=Crossing the Blue Mountains |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/system/files/media/documents/2023/crossing_the_blue_mountains_the_great_western_road.pdf}}</ref> '''.''' Official NSW Government historical report on the development of transport infrastructure across the Blue Mountains. '''2. Project Gutenberg Australia. ''Three Expeditions into the Interior of Eastern Australia – Thomas Mitchell''''' <ref>{{Cite web |title=Three Expeditions into the Interior V2 |url=https://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks/e00036.html |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=gutenberg.net.au}}</ref>'''.''' Historical primary source documenting early colonial exploration and road development. 3. '''Sydney to Central West Corridors White Paper (Transport for NSW)'''<ref>{{Cite web |last=NSW |first=Transport for |date=2025-12-03 |title=Sydney to Central West Corridors White Paper |url=https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/node/31741 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.transport.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref> A strategic planning document assessing capacity, safety, and resilience challenges along the Great Western Highway and alternative routes. 4. '''Australia’s Longest Road Tunnel Proposal – Blue Mountains'''<ref>{{Cite web |last=Walker |first=Nicole |date=2022-05-23 |title=Australia's longest road tunnel through Blue Mountains |url=https://concreteinstitute.com.au/australias-longest-road-tunnel-through-blue-mountains/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Concrete Institute of Australia |language=en-AU}}</ref> Discusses proposed large-scale infrastructure solutions to improve safety, reduce travel times, and increase resilience. 5. '''Salah, R.; Szép, J.; Ajtayné Károlyfi, K.; Géczy, N. An Investigation of Historic Transportation Infrastructure Preservation and Improvement through Historic Building Information Modeling. ''Infrastructures'' 2024, ''9'', 114''' . ==References== 4hma7bf051el5gt5nh9twbkkz4urb53 2 483258 4637040 4635116 2026-05-22T16:53:33Z Kittycataclysm 3371989 Kittycataclysm moved page [[Cookbook:Dounguouri Soko]] to [[User:Golgbachev/Dounguouri Soko]] without leaving a redirect: user space for bulk-added incomplete recipe 4635116 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Incomplete recipe|reason=missing recipe template, headers and formatting don't match recipe template, missing categories, missing appropriate linking}} '''Dounguouri Soko''' is a traditional Nigerien [[Dishwashing/Tools|dish]] widely appreciated in many rural communities across Niger. Simple, [[Nutrition|nutritious]], and flavorful, it reflects the authenticity of Sahelian cuisine. The dish is mainly prepared with local [[Cereal Grains Through History|cereals]], peanuts, and sometimes fresh vegetables, making it both affordable and highly nourishing. {{Recipe summary | Category = Cereal stew | Cuisine = Nigerien | Origin = Nigerien | Servings = 6 | Time = 150 min | Difficulty = 3 | Image = Dounguouri Soko | Energy = Calories: 560kJ, Protein: 39g, Carbs: 48g, Fat: 23g, Fiber: 14g. }} = Cultural Background = Dounguouri Soko originates from the culinary traditions of farming communities in Niger. In many villages, preparing the meal is considered a collective activity that strengthens social bonds. Women traditionally gather to cook large quantities during ceremonies, harvest periods, or important community events. The recipe may vary depending on the region and family customs. Some households include dried fish or smoked meat for additional flavor, while others prepare a vegetarian version enriched with leafy greens and local spices. == Ingredients == * '''2 cups''' white beans, ''soaked overnight'' * '''900 g''' lamb, ''cut into chunks'' * '''4 large''' onions, ''chopped'' * '''2 green bell peppers''' blended * '''2 red bell peppers''' blended * '''5 medium''' tomatoes, ''chopped'' * '''3 cloves''' garlic, ''minced'' * '''2 tbsp''' tomato paste * '''⅓ cup''' peanut oil * '''5 cups''' water or stock == Preparation == '''Prepare the Cereals''': wash the millet or sorghum thoroughly and allow it to drain. Bring water to a boil in a large cooking pot, then slowly add the cereals while stirring continuously.Simmer until just tender during '''50''' minutes. '''Brown lamb''': brown lamb in oil, then add onions and peppers and cook until softened, during '''15''' minutes. '''Simmer stew''': add tomatoes, tomato paste, garlic, cooked beans, and stock. Simmer until lamb and beans are tender during '''55''' minutes. '''Reduce''': simmer uncovered to thicken, then adjust salt and pepper, during '''10''' minutes. = Serving Suggestions = Dounguouri Soko is traditionally served hot and shared from a communal bowl, reflecting the spirit of hospitality and togetherness in Nigerien culture. It can be accompanied by fermented milk, spicy sauce, or grilled fish. For a more authentic flavor, freshly roasted peanuts and locally sourced millet are highly recommended. Some families also enrich the dish with smoked fish to increase its protein content. = Nutritional Benefits = This dish is highly nutritious and energy-rich. Millet and sorghum provide complex carbohydrates and fiber, while peanuts contribute healthy fats and plant-based proteins. When combined with leafy vegetables such as moringa, the meal also supplies essential vitamins and minerals. Because of its balanced nutritional profile, Dounguouri Soko is particularly suitable for people living in hot climates where sustained energy is important for daily agricultural activities. hspktrlsnzdrpyv002k7bpcimkbo8d7 102 483261 4637031 4635276 2026-05-22T15:25:32Z Honeydear 3582657 /* Procedures */ 4637031 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Incomplete recipe|reason=missing quantities, missing cookbook templates, missing categories, missing ingredients based on procedure, vague directions}} '''Nigerian oto mboro recipe''' is a type of Nigerian African recipe made with green grinded banana. It is majorly eaten by people in the south-south geopolitical zone. == Ingredient == * Green Banana * [[Cookbook:Water|Water]] * Red oil * Periwinkle * [[Cookbook:Crayfish|Crayfish]] * [[Cookbook:Maggi|Maggi]] * Dried fish( scumbia) * [[Cookbook:Kpomo|Kpomo]] * [[Cookbook:Onions|Onions]] * Scent leaf === Optional === * [[Cookbook:Meat|meat]] * Vegetable leaf == Procedures == # Grind your pepper(2 scoops) and 500g crayfish # Prepare your onion and 1 full stick of fried fish # wash a bowl of Periwinkle thoroughly with salt # keep them aside. Then peel your banana # Grind the banana(20 pieces)with a grater # Put it in a bowl # Add 3 cubes of Maggi and a teaspoon of salt # Wash your hand thoroughly and mix them and keep aside # Prepare your meat and kpomo # Put it in a bowl,add onions, two spoon of the grinded pepper , 3 cubes of Maggi and steam for 15 mins # Turn your steamed meat into a clean bowl # with the same pot,add a very little quantity of water into the pot # Add your 2 cubes Maggi, half spoon of grinded pepper and 3 spoons of crayfish and onion. Cover for 5 mins # When there is a steam in the pot, use a spoon to scoop the grinded banana to shape the spoon into the water gently,carefully avoiding overlapping in the pot. # Add Periwinkle and meat at the first 20 scoops in the pot,continue that way till you are done with taking the banana from the bowl. # After which, cover the pot and leave to boil till the banana turns nude color # Add your 3 litres of oil and stir thoroughly # Add your leaf and bring it down. [[Category:Easy recipes]] [[Category:Nigerian recipes]] [[Category:Recipes using banana]] tjmp4r7ri043yj0vgeqk8hjikk0vwi0 2 483300 4637039 4635570 2026-05-22T16:52:51Z Kittycataclysm 3371989 Kittycataclysm moved page [[Cookbook:Melk Kos]] to [[User:Golgbachev/Melk Kos]] without leaving a redirect: user space for bulk-added incomplete recipe 4635570 wikitext text/x-wiki {{recipe}} {{Incomplete recipe|reason=headers and formatting don't match recipe requirements, missing appropriate linking, missing quantities, missing categories, general stylistic adjustments needed}} Melk kos is a traditional South African milk-based porridge originating from Afrikaans rural farm kitchens, developed as a simple nourishing breakfast using staple pantry ingredients. {{Recipe summary | Category = Breakfast recipes | Cuisine = Southern Africa | Time = 15 minutes | Difficulty = 1 }} == Ingredients == * 1 L full cream milk * 100 g flour * 50 g sugar * 30 g butter * Pinch of salt * Cinnamon (optional) == Utensils == * Heavy-bottom saucepan * Whisk * Wooden spoon == Method == * Heat milk over medium heat until steaming (do not boil). * Mix flour with cold milk to form a smooth slurry. * Slowly whisk slurry into hot milk. * Cook 10–15 minutes until thick and silky. * Add butter and stir until fully melted. * Add sugar and salt. * Serve hot with cinnamon. [[Category:South African recipes]] [[Category:Breakfast recipes]] [[Category:Easy recipes]] 40pdsuoudzejv3dntmjgvw2q4bld5pw 2 483301 4637038 4635571 2026-05-22T16:51:52Z Kittycataclysm 3371989 Kittycataclysm moved page [[Cookbook:Bacon and Eggs with Toast]] to [[User:Golgbachev/Bacon and Eggs with Toast]] without leaving a redirect: user space for bulk-added incomplete recipe 4635571 wikitext text/x-wiki {{recipe}} {{Incomplete recipe|reason=headers don't match recipe requirements, missing appropriate linking, missing quantities, missing categories, general stylistic adjustments needed}} This dish originates from British colonial breakfast traditions introduced to South Africa, later becoming a common urban breakfast in households and hotels. {{Recipe summary | Category = Breakfast recipes | Origin = British colonial influence adapted in South Africa | Time = 30 minutes | Difficulty = 1 }} == Ingredients == * Bacon slices * Eggs * Bread * Butter == Utensils == * Frying pan * Spatula * Toaster or grill pan == Method == * Place bacon in a cold pan and slowly increase heat to render fat evenly. * Cook until edges curl and bacon becomes crisp, then set aside. * Use rendered fat to fry eggs sunny-side up or over-easy. * Toast bread until golden and immediately butter while hot. * Plate bacon first, then eggs, then toast for temperature contrast. [[Category:South African recipes]] [[Category:Easy recipes]] [[Category:British recipes]] p2daghpzwpxhxugwumbogamhuknrezz 0 483317 4637109 4635717 2026-05-23T02:17:44Z Fcbs3 3546790 /* Step 2: Press TO/GA */ 4637109 wikitext text/x-wiki This page will introduce how to fly [[wikipedia:Boeing 777|Boeing 777]] in FlightGear. The model is Boeing 777-300 from the official hangar. = Tutorial = == Pre-Takeoff Preparation == Before advancing the thrust levers, the following steps are essential: === FMC Setup === # Open the CDU and enter: #* Departure airport, runway, SID (Standard Instrument Departure) #* Route waypoints, destination airport, STAR, approach #* Go to the <code>TAKEOFF REF</code> page #* Enter takeoff flap setting (typically '''5''' or '''15''' degrees) #* Enter V1, V_R, V₂ speeds (computed automatically) === Cockpit Checks === * '''PFD''': No flags, attitude/altitude/airspeed normal. * '''ND''': Flight plan route displayed. * '''Autobrake''': Set to '''RTO''' (Rejected Takeoff). * '''Flaps''': Set to 5° (check FMC calculation). * '''Flight Director (FD)''': ON. == Takeoff Roll – From Thrust Application == The 777 uses '''autothrottle''' for takeoff. Manual firewall push is not used. === Step 1: Advance Levers to 40% N1 === * Smoothly push both thrust levers until N1 indicates '''40%'''. * Pause to let engines stabilize and spool up symmetrically. === Step 2: Push throttles to full === * Press 9/PgUp key to push the throttle to full. * Autothrottle automatically advances thrust to the FMC-computed '''reduced takeoff N1''' (e.g., 92% N1). * Monitor N1, N2, EGT for normal indications. === Step 3: Maintain Runway Centerline === * Below 80 knots: Use '''rudder pedals''' for small corrections. * Above 80 knots: Use '''nosewheel tiller''' (small, smooth inputs). Do not make large rudder movements. === Step 4: Call V1 and Rotate at V_R === * At '''V1''' (decision speed): Takeoff is committed – no reject above V1. * At '''V_R''': Apply a '''smooth, firm''' back pressure. * Pitch to approximately '''15 degrees''' nose-up at a rate of 2–3° per second. == Initial Climb == === Positive Rate – Gear Up === * Call "Positive rate". * Select '''gear up''' (landing gear lever). === Follow Flight Director === * Keep the small aircraft symbol (or circle) centered on the FD crosshair. * Speed will increase to V₂ + 20 knots. === Thrust Reduction and Flap Retraction === * At 1000 feet AGL (or as per airline procedure): Autothrottle reduces to '''climb thrust'''. * Retract flaps incrementally: 5° → 1° → UP as speed reaches the ''clean speed''. * Each flap retraction requires slight pitch trim adjustment. === Engage Autopilot === * Above 1000 feet and with stable climb, engage '''CMD A''' on the MCP. * LNAV and VNAV will follow the FMC route. Pilot now monitors systems. == Cruise and Descent Planning == === Cruise === * Autopilot maintains FL310–410 (typical for 777). * Monitor fuel, ETA, and weather ahead. === Top of Descent (T/D) === * FMC calculates '''T/D''' (Top of Descent) approximately 120-150 NM from destination. * At T/D, set a lower altitude on the MCP (e.g., 10,000 ft) and pull the altitude selector. * VNAV will initiate a '''managed descent''' at idle thrust. * If no VNAV available, use FLCH (Flight Level Change) or manual vertical speed. == Approach Setup == === Before Starting Approach === # '''ATIS''': Tune to the destination airport's ATIS frequency to get weather, active runway, and altimeter setting. # '''Set altimeter''': Turn the baro knob to match the local QNH (inHg or hPa). # '''Review approach plate''': Know the final approach course, glideslope angle, and missed approach procedure. === Configuring the FMC for Approach === # In the CDU, select the appropriate '''STAR''' (Standard Terminal Arrival Route) and '''approach transition'''. # Select the '''runway''' and '''approach type''' (usually ILS for low weather minima, or RNAV/GPS if preferred). # Press <code>EXEC</code> to activate the modified route. # The ND should now show the full arrival, including the final approach course and any holding patterns. === Slowing Down and Extending Drag === * At around 15,000 feet and 250 knots, expect speed restrictions. * '''Speedbrake (spoilers)''': Can be extended partially ('''flight detent''') to help slow down without descending too fast. * Avoid using speedbrake below 1000 feet in most normal operations. === Initial Approach Configuration === * At approximately 12-10 NM from the airport, reduce speed to '''210-220 knots'''. * Set flaps to '''1''' or '''5''', depending on the approach speed schedule. * As speed decreases, extend '''landing gear''' – this adds significant drag and helps slow down further. == ILS Approach (Most Common) == === Tuning and Identifying the ILS === # On the RADIO NAV page (or MCP), set the '''ILS frequency''' (e.g., 110.30 MHz) and the corresponding '''course''' (runway heading). # On the PFD, you will see an '''ILS diamond''' appear: magenta for localizer (lateral), green for glideslope (vertical). === Intercepting the Localizer === * In HDG SEL or LNAV mode, fly towards the final approach course. * The localizer diamond will start moving toward the center. * As it centers, press the '''APP''' (Approach) button on the MCP. * Autopilot will capture and track the localizer automatically. === Capturing the Glideslope === * When the glideslope diamond reaches the center (from below), the autopilot will start descending. * This typically happens at around 3000 feet AGL and 6-8 NM from the runway. * Verify that both localizer and glideslope are captured (autopilot modes show ''LOC'' and ''GS''). === Final Configuration for Landing === * As the aircraft follows the glideslope down: * Reduce speed to '''V_REF + 5 to 10 knots''' (V_REF is shown on the FMC approach page). * Extend flaps progressively: '''5 → 15 → 20 → 25 → 30''' (full flaps for most landings). * Set '''autobrake''' to a suitable level ('''1''', '''2''', or '''3''' depending on runway length and braking action). * Arm the '''speedbrake''' (spoiler) lever to the ''ARMED'' position (it will auto-deploy on touchdown). === Stabilized Approach Criteria === A stable approach is mandatory by 1000 feet AGL in IMC (instrument conditions) or 500 feet AGL in VMC (visual conditions): * Airspeed within ±5 knots of V_REF * On glideslope (vertical) and localizer (lateral) * Landing gear down and locked * Flaps at landing setting * Approach stable – no large throttle or pitch changes If not stable by these altitudes, a '''go-around''' must be executed. == Manual Landing or Autoland == === Manual Landing === * At around 500-300 feet AGL, you may '''disconnect the autopilot''' (press the AP disconnect button on the yoke). * Keep following the ILS diamonds or the visual runway picture. * At approximately 50 feet, begin the '''flare''': smoothly increase pitch by 2-3 degrees to reduce the descent rate. * Aim for a descent rate of '''100-200 ft/min''' at touchdown. * The main gear touches first, then the nose gear. === Autoland (CAT III) === * The 777 is certified for Category III autoland in low visibility. * To perform an autoland: * Both autopilots ('''CMD A''' and '''CMD B''') must be engaged. * The aircraft will flare automatically starting at about 50 feet. * Do not disconnect the autopilot – let it land the aircraft. * After touchdown, the autopilot will disengage automatically, or you can manually disengage. === Touchdown Actions === # '''Reverse thrust''': Immediately after main gear touchdown, pull the thrust levers to the '''reverse idle''' detent, then pull further to select '''maximum reverse''' (optional, depending on runway length). # '''Spoilers''': They deploy automatically if the speedbrake lever was ARMED. # '''Braking''': Autobrake applies automatically. If you wish to brake manually, press the brake pedals – this will disengage the autobrake. # At 60-80 knots, reduce reverse thrust to '''reverse idle''', then stow reverse thrust by moving levers forward to the '''idle''' position. == After Landing and Taxi == * At taxi speed (below 30 knots), retract the spoilers (speedbrake down). * Turn off autobrake (set to '''OFF'''). * Perform the '''after landing flow''': * Flaps up * Transponder to STBY (or TA/RA off if required) * Taxi lights on, landing lights off * Follow ATC taxi instructions to the gate. == Go-Around (Missed Approach) == If a go-around is necessary (unstable approach, traffic on runway, etc.): # Press the '''TO/GA''' button (on thrust levers) – this commands maximum thrust. # Call "Go-around, flaps 20". # Pitch up to the go-around attitude (approximately 15 degrees nose-up). # Verify positive rate of climb, then select '''gear up'''. # Follow the FMC missed approach procedure or ATC instructions. # Once safely climbing, retract flaps to 5° and then to UP. # Re-enter the pattern or divert as needed. = Systems of 777 = The Boeing 777 series are fly-by-wire aircraft with yokes. The fly-by-wire system has been simulated within the limitations of YAsim. * Roll Control Law with attitude holding and bank angle protection * C*U Pitch Law and Flare Mode with Autotrim * Rudder Ratio, Yaw Damper and Turn Coordinator == Engines == {| class="wikitable" |- ! Model ! 777-200 !! 777-200ER !! 777-200LR !! 777F !! 777-300 !! 777-300ER |- ! Engines (Turbofans) | GE90-76B or PW4077 or RR Trent 877 || GE90-90B or PW4090 or RR Trent 895 || GE90-110B1 || GE90-110B1 || PW4090 or RR Trent 892 || GE90-115B |- ! Max Thrust | 81,070 lbf (361 kN) || 94,000 lbf (418 kN) || 110,760 lbf (493 kN) || 110,760 lbf (493 kN) || 91,450lbf (407 kN) || 115,300 lbf (513 kN) |} === Electrical === Enable the battery to access flight displays. Use ground power or the APU to start engines. The APU can provide backup power. The Ram Air Turbine (RAT) is not yet implemented. == Hydraulic == The hydraulic systems can be controlled via the 3D cockpit overhead panel. Expected behavior: * Left system: powered by engine driven pump (EDP) and electric pump (ACMP). Operates flight controls and left thrust reverser. * Right system: similar to left. Operates flight controls, right reverser, normal brakes. * Center system: powered by two ACMPs and two air turbine pumps (ADP). Operates landing gear, steering, flaps/slats, reserve brakes. The lower EICAS (MFD) shows hydraulics status. Enable it via the "HYD" switch on the right EFIS panel. When no engine is running, the APU or ground power can run electric pumps. During takeoff or landing, demand pumps activate automatically. Hydraulic fluid levels can be monitored and replenished. Fluid depletion can be enabled in the 777 > Aircraft settings menu. Leaks can be simulated. Running a pump without fluid for over 10 seconds causes overheating. For normal operation, pressurize the right system first and depressurize it last. The brake accumulator provides backup pressure. It will slowly lose pressure over 8-10 hours. Planned improvements (as of Dec 2025): RAT, fault system, improved pump simulation, and better electrical system integration. == Autopilot == The 777 autopilot is fully controllable via 3D cockpit switches. An Autoland system is available. Key controls (from left to right, top to bottom): * A/P: engage/disengage * F/D: flight director * A/T ARM (L/R): arm autothrottle * A/T: autothrottle engage (independent of A/P) * IAS <> MACH: speed mode toggle * LNAV: follow route laterally * VNAV: follow route vertically * FLCH: flight level change * HDG <> TRK: heading or track mode * HDG select / HOLD: heading control * Bank limits: AUTO / 5-25 degrees * V/S <> FPA: vertical speed or flight path angle * ALTITUDE window: set target altitude * LOC: track localizer * APP: arm ILS approach === How to use === Default modes when engaging A/P: HDG HOLD, ATT (if bank >5deg), VS. Mode inheritance from FD if engaged. Lateral modes: HDG HOLD, HDG SEL, LNAV, LOC. Vertical modes: VS, FLCH, VNAV, ALT HOLD.<ref>https://wiki.flightgear.org/Boeing_777</ref> == References == {{Reflist}} {{BookCat}} 5jcmp8qe3ykz4wdtsyw3z6oi3ocm35s 4637111 4637109 2026-05-23T02:32:13Z Fcbs3 3546790 key controls 4637111 wikitext text/x-wiki This page will introduce how to fly [[wikipedia:Boeing 777|Boeing 777]] in FlightGear. The model is Boeing 777-300 from the official hangar. = Tutorial = == Pre-Takeoff Preparation == You can click "777-300 > Autostart" on the menu to start the airplane automatically. If you want to start it manually, follow these steps: === FMC Setup === # Open the CDU and enter: #* Departure airport, runway, SID (Standard Instrument Departure) #* Route waypoints, destination airport, STAR, approach #* Go to the <code>TAKEOFF REF</code> page #* Enter takeoff flap setting (typically '''5''' or '''15''' degrees) #* Enter V1, V_R, V₂ speeds (computed automatically) === Cockpit Checks === * '''PFD''': No flags, attitude/altitude/airspeed normal. * '''ND''': Flight plan route displayed. * '''Autobrake''': Set to '''RTO''' (Rejected Takeoff). * '''Flaps''': Set to 5° (check FMC calculation). * '''Flight Director (FD)''': ON. == Takeoff Roll – From Thrust Application == The 777 uses '''autothrottle''' for takeoff. Manual firewall push is not used. === Step 1: Advance Levers to 40% N1 === * Smoothly push both thrust levers until N1 indicates '''40%'''. * Pause to let engines stabilize and spool up symmetrically. If the plane is not moving, press shift+b to disable the parking brake. === Step 2: Push throttles to full === * Press 9/PgUp key to push the throttle to full. * Autothrottle automatically advances thrust to the FMC-computed '''reduced takeoff N1''' (e.g., 92% N1). * Monitor N1, N2, EGT for normal indications. === Step 3: Maintain Runway Centerline === * Below 80 knots: Use '''rudder pedals''' for small corrections. * Above 80 knots: Use '''nosewheel tiller''' (small, smooth inputs). Do not make large rudder movements. === Step 4: Call V1 and Rotate at V_R === * At '''V1''' (decision speed): Takeoff is committed – no reject above V1. * At '''V_R''': Apply a '''smooth, firm''' back pressure. * Pitch to approximately '''15 degrees''' nose-up at a rate of 2–3° per second. == Initial Climb == === Positive Rate – Gear Up === * Call "Positive rate". * Press g key to retract the landing gear. === Follow Flight Director === * Keep the small aircraft symbol (or circle) centered on the FD crosshair. * Speed will increase to V₂ + 20 knots. === Thrust Reduction and Flap Retraction === * At 1000 feet AGL (or as per airline procedure): Autothrottle reduces to '''climb thrust'''. * Retract flaps incrementally: 5° → 1° → UP as speed reaches the ''clean speed''. * Each flap retraction requires slight pitch trim adjustment. === Engage Autopilot === * Above 1000 feet and with stable climb, engage '''CMD A''' on the MCP. * LNAV and VNAV will follow the FMC route. Pilot now monitors systems. == Cruise and Descent Planning == === Cruise === * Use the autopilot or manual control to maintain FL310–410 (typical for 777). * Monitor fuel, ETA, and weather ahead. === Top of Descent (T/D) === * FMC calculates '''T/D''' (Top of Descent) approximately 120-150 NM from destination. * At T/D, set a lower altitude on the MCP (e.g., 10,000 ft) and pull the altitude selector. * VNAV will initiate a '''managed descent''' at idle thrust. * If no VNAV available, use FLCH (Flight Level Change) or manual vertical speed. == Approach Setup == === Before Starting Approach === # '''ATIS''': Tune to the destination airport's ATIS frequency to get weather, active runway, and altimeter setting. # '''Set altimeter''': Turn the baro knob to match the local QNH (inHg or hPa). # '''Review approach plate''': Know the final approach course, glideslope angle, and missed approach procedure. === Configuring the FMC for Approach === # In the CDU, select the appropriate '''STAR''' (Standard Terminal Arrival Route) and '''approach transition'''. # Select the '''runway''' and '''approach type''' (usually ILS for low weather minima, or RNAV/GPS if preferred). # Press <code>EXEC</code> to activate the modified route. # The ND should now show the full arrival, including the final approach course and any holding patterns. === Slowing Down and Extending Drag === * At around 15,000 feet and 250 knots, expect speed restrictions. * '''Speedbrake (spoilers)''': Can be extended partially ('''flight detent''') to help slow down without descending too fast. * Avoid using speedbrake below 1000 feet in most normal operations. === Initial Approach Configuration === * At approximately 12-10 NM from the airport, reduce speed to '''210-220 knots'''. * Press <code>]</code> key to set flaps to '''1''' or '''5''', depending on the approach speed schedule. * As speed decreases, press G (or shift+g) to extend '''landing gear''' – this adds significant drag and helps slow down further. == ILS Approach (Most Common) == === Tuning and Identifying the ILS === # On the RADIO NAV page (or MCP), set the '''ILS frequency''' (e.g., 110.30 MHz) and the corresponding '''course''' (runway heading). # On the PFD, you will see an '''ILS diamond''' appear: magenta for localizer (lateral), green for glideslope (vertical). === Intercepting the Localizer === * In HDG SEL or LNAV mode, fly towards the final approach course. * The localizer diamond will start moving toward the center. * As it centers, press the '''APP''' (Approach) button on the MCP. * Autopilot will capture and track the localizer automatically. === Capturing the Glideslope === * When the glideslope diamond reaches the center (from below), the autopilot will start descending. * This typically happens at around 3000 feet AGL and 6-8 NM from the runway. * Verify that both localizer and glideslope are captured (autopilot modes show ''LOC'' and ''GS''). === Final Configuration for Landing === As the aircraft follows the glideslope down: * Reduce speed to '''V_REF + 5 to 10 knots''' (V_REF is shown on the FMC approach page). * Press <code>]</code> key to extend flaps progressively: '''5 → 15 → 20 → 25 → 30''' (full flaps for most landings). * Set '''autobrake''' to a suitable level ('''1''', '''2''', or '''3''' depending on runway length and braking action). * Arm the '''speedbrake''' (spoiler) lever to the ''ARMED'' position (it will auto-deploy on touchdown). === Stabilized Approach Criteria === A stable approach is mandatory by 1000 feet AGL in IMC (instrument conditions) or 500 feet AGL in VMC (visual conditions): * Airspeed within ±5 knots of V_REF * On glideslope (vertical) and localizer (lateral) * Landing gear down and locked * Flaps at landing setting * Approach stable – no large throttle or pitch changes If not stable by these altitudes, a '''go-around''' must be executed. == Manual Landing or Autoland == === Manual Landing === * At around 500-300 feet AGL, you may '''disconnect the autopilot''' (press the AP disconnect button on the yoke). * Keep following the ILS diamonds or the visual runway picture. * At approximately 50 feet, begin the '''flare''': smoothly increase pitch by 2-3 degrees to reduce the descent rate. * Aim for a descent rate of '''100-200 ft/min''' at touchdown. * The main gear touches first, then the nose gear. === Autoland (CAT III) === * The 777 is certified for Category III autoland in low visibility. * To perform an autoland: * Both autopilots ('''CMD A''' and '''CMD B''') must be engaged. * The aircraft will flare automatically starting at about 50 feet. * Do not disconnect the autopilot – let it land the aircraft. * After touchdown, the autopilot will disengage automatically, or you can manually disengage. === Touchdown Actions === # '''Reverse thrust''': Immediately after main gear touchdown, pull the thrust levers to the '''reverse idle''' detent, then pull further to select '''maximum reverse''' (optional, depending on runway length). # '''Spoilers''': They deploy automatically if the speedbrake lever was ARMED. # '''Braking''': Autobrake applies automatically. If you wish to brake manually, press the brake pedals – this will disengage the autobrake. # At 60-80 knots, reduce reverse thrust to '''reverse idle''', then stow reverse thrust by moving levers forward to the '''idle''' position. == After Landing and Taxi == * At taxi speed (below 30 knots), retract the spoilers (speedbrake down). * Turn off autobrake (set to '''OFF'''). * Perform the '''after landing flow''': * Flaps up * Transponder to STBY (or TA/RA off if required) * Taxi lights on, landing lights off * Follow ATC taxi instructions to the gate. == Go-Around (Missed Approach) == If a go-around is necessary (unstable approach, traffic on runway, etc.): # Press the '''TO/GA''' button (on thrust levers) – this commands maximum thrust. # Call "Go-around, flaps 20". # Pitch up to the go-around attitude (approximately 15 degrees nose-up). # Verify positive rate of climb, then select '''gear up'''. # Follow the FMC missed approach procedure or ATC instructions. # Once safely climbing, retract flaps to 5° and then to UP. # Re-enter the pattern or divert as needed. = Systems of 777 = The Boeing 777 series are fly-by-wire aircraft with yokes. The fly-by-wire system has been simulated within the limitations of YAsim. * Roll Control Law with attitude holding and bank angle protection * C*U Pitch Law and Flare Mode with Autotrim * Rudder Ratio, Yaw Damper and Turn Coordinator == Engines == {| class="wikitable" |- ! Model ! 777-200 !! 777-200ER !! 777-200LR !! 777F !! 777-300 !! 777-300ER |- ! Engines (Turbofans) | GE90-76B or PW4077 or RR Trent 877 || GE90-90B or PW4090 or RR Trent 895 || GE90-110B1 || GE90-110B1 || PW4090 or RR Trent 892 || GE90-115B |- ! Max Thrust | 81,070 lbf (361 kN) || 94,000 lbf (418 kN) || 110,760 lbf (493 kN) || 110,760 lbf (493 kN) || 91,450lbf (407 kN) || 115,300 lbf (513 kN) |} === Electrical === Enable the battery to access flight displays. Use ground power or the APU to start engines. The APU can provide backup power. The Ram Air Turbine (RAT) is not yet implemented. == Hydraulic == The hydraulic systems can be controlled via the 3D cockpit overhead panel. Expected behavior: * Left system: powered by engine driven pump (EDP) and electric pump (ACMP). Operates flight controls and left thrust reverser. * Right system: similar to left. Operates flight controls, right reverser, normal brakes. * Center system: powered by two ACMPs and two air turbine pumps (ADP). Operates landing gear, steering, flaps/slats, reserve brakes. The lower EICAS (MFD) shows hydraulics status. Enable it via the "HYD" switch on the right EFIS panel. When no engine is running, the APU or ground power can run electric pumps. During takeoff or landing, demand pumps activate automatically. Hydraulic fluid levels can be monitored and replenished. Fluid depletion can be enabled in the 777 > Aircraft settings menu. Leaks can be simulated. Running a pump without fluid for over 10 seconds causes overheating. For normal operation, pressurize the right system first and depressurize it last. The brake accumulator provides backup pressure. It will slowly lose pressure over 8-10 hours. Planned improvements (as of Dec 2025): RAT, fault system, improved pump simulation, and better electrical system integration. == Autopilot == The 777 autopilot is fully controllable via 3D cockpit switches. An Autoland system is available. Key controls (from left to right, top to bottom): * A/P: engage/disengage * F/D: flight director * A/T ARM (L/R): arm autothrottle * A/T: autothrottle engage (independent of A/P) * IAS <> MACH: speed mode toggle * LNAV: follow route laterally * VNAV: follow route vertically * FLCH: flight level change * HDG <> TRK: heading or track mode * HDG select / HOLD: heading control * Bank limits: AUTO / 5-25 degrees * V/S <> FPA: vertical speed or flight path angle * ALTITUDE window: set target altitude * LOC: track localizer * APP: arm ILS approach === How to use === Default modes when engaging A/P: HDG HOLD, ATT (if bank >5deg), VS. Mode inheritance from FD if engaged. Lateral modes: HDG HOLD, HDG SEL, LNAV, LOC. Vertical modes: VS, FLCH, VNAV, ALT HOLD.<ref>https://wiki.flightgear.org/Boeing_777</ref> == References == {{Reflist}} {{BookCat}} mgv3cq8w99kttpi8f4ywtcexcw3mn2g 0 483346 4637110 4635831 2026-05-23T02:18:02Z Fcbs3 3546790 /* Takeoff */ 4637110 wikitext text/x-wiki This page introduces the way to fly Airbus A320 family in FlightGear. == Takeoff == Click "Aircraft > Configuration Center > Ready for takeoff" and wait for a while, then push the throttle in the 3D cockpit to TO/GA. When the airspeed exceeds Vr, pull back on the stick to rotate. == Climb == After takeoff, retract the flaps and landing gear. Failure to do so may lower the maximum operating airspeed (Vmo). If you climb to high altitudes (higher than 30000 ft / 9150 m), note that the max airspeed will decrease at higher altitudes. == Cruise == Once at cruising altitude, reduce the throttle to a suitable cruise setting. You can press "v" or "shift+v" to switch views and enjoy the scenery, and press Ctrl+v to switch back to the cockpit. == Approach and landing == === Approach === Begin the approach by reducing throttle to idle or a low cruise setting. Extend the landing gear and flaps gradually according to the aircraft's speed. Monitor the airspeed carefully; extending flaps and gear will increase drag and reduce speed. If the CAUTION or WARNING lights illuminate, address them immediately before continuing the approach. Set the ILS frequency if available, or navigate visually to the runway heading. Maintain a stable descent rate, typically 500-800 feet per minute for most airliners. Adjust pitch and throttle to keep the aircraft on the glideslope. === Landing === When the runway is in sight and the aircraft is properly aligned, continue descending toward the threshold. As the aircraft approaches the runway, reduce throttle to idle and begin the flare by gently pulling back on the stick just above the runway. The main landing gear should touch down first, followed by the nose gear. After touchdown, deploy spoilers if available and apply reverse thrust if equipped. Brake as needed to slow the aircraft to taxi speed. Retract flaps and turn off landing lights once clear of the runway. === After Landing === Taxi to the parking position at a safe speed. Set the parking brake, shut down engines, and turn off electrical systems as appropriate. == Notices == === Warning lights === Monitor the yellow (CAUTION) or red (WARNING) lights on the instrument panel. If they appear, immediate actions are required. === Fly-by-Wire Notes === Compared to other yoke-controlled aircrafts, the fly-by-wire system of A320 has several different characteristics: * '''Sidestick is not linked''': The captain and first officer sidesticks move independently. You cannot feel what the other pilot is doing. * '''No autotrim''': The aircraft trims automatically. Do not attempt manual trim. * '''Release returns to neutral''': Releasing the sidestick centers it, but the aircraft holds its current attitude. * '''Flight envelope protection''': The system prevents stalls, excessive bank angles, and overloads. You may feel a "hard stop" when limits are reached. * '''Thrust levers have detents''': Use the physical detents (TO/GA, FLX/MCT, CL, IDLE) rather than smooth movement. Leave levers in CL during autothrust operation. * '''Dual input warning''': If both sidesticks are moved simultaneously, a "DUAL INPUT" voice warning sounds and both inputs are summed. == References == {{Reflist}} {{BookCat}} bm2hdea3skyqtplz17pa3f5vf3wn7bz 4637112 4637110 2026-05-23T02:35:50Z Fcbs3 3546790 /* After Landing */ 4637112 wikitext text/x-wiki This page introduces the way to fly Airbus A320 family in FlightGear. == Takeoff == Click "Aircraft > Configuration Center > Ready for takeoff" and wait for a while, then push the throttle in the 3D cockpit to TO/GA. When the airspeed exceeds Vr, pull back on the stick to rotate. == Climb == After takeoff, retract the flaps and landing gear. Failure to do so may lower the maximum operating airspeed (Vmo). If you climb to high altitudes (higher than 30000 ft / 9150 m), note that the max airspeed will decrease at higher altitudes. == Cruise == Once at cruising altitude, reduce the throttle to a suitable cruise setting. You can press "v" or "shift+v" to switch views and enjoy the scenery, and press Ctrl+v to switch back to the cockpit. == Approach and landing == === Approach === Begin the approach by reducing throttle to idle or a low cruise setting. Extend the landing gear and flaps gradually according to the aircraft's speed. Monitor the airspeed carefully; extending flaps and gear will increase drag and reduce speed. If the CAUTION or WARNING lights illuminate, address them immediately before continuing the approach. Set the ILS frequency if available, or navigate visually to the runway heading. Maintain a stable descent rate, typically 500-800 feet per minute for most airliners. Adjust pitch and throttle to keep the aircraft on the glideslope. === Landing === When the runway is in sight and the aircraft is properly aligned, continue descending toward the threshold. As the aircraft approaches the runway, reduce throttle to idle and begin the flare by gently pulling back on the stick just above the runway. The main landing gear should touch down first, followed by the nose gear. After touchdown, deploy spoilers if available and apply reverse thrust if equipped. Brake as needed to slow the aircraft to taxi speed. Retract flaps and turn off landing lights once clear of the runway. === After Landing === Taxi to the parking position at a safe speed. Set the parking brake (by pressing shift+b), shut down engines, and turn off electrical systems as appropriate. == Notices == === Warning lights === Monitor the yellow (CAUTION) or red (WARNING) lights on the instrument panel. If they appear, immediate actions are required. === Fly-by-Wire Notes === Compared to other yoke-controlled aircrafts, the fly-by-wire system of A320 has several different characteristics: * '''Sidestick is not linked''': The captain and first officer sidesticks move independently. You cannot feel what the other pilot is doing. * '''No autotrim''': The aircraft trims automatically. Do not attempt manual trim. * '''Release returns to neutral''': Releasing the sidestick centers it, but the aircraft holds its current attitude. * '''Flight envelope protection''': The system prevents stalls, excessive bank angles, and overloads. You may feel a "hard stop" when limits are reached. * '''Thrust levers have detents''': Use the physical detents (TO/GA, FLX/MCT, CL, IDLE) rather than smooth movement. Leave levers in CL during autothrust operation. * '''Dual input warning''': If both sidesticks are moved simultaneously, a "DUAL INPUT" voice warning sounds and both inputs are summed. == References == {{Reflist}} {{BookCat}} 4inip5lzhx8kim5etgkn6s7qgdtjwpx 4637115 4637112 2026-05-23T02:50:22Z Fcbs3 3546790 /* Approach */ 4637115 wikitext text/x-wiki This page introduces the way to fly Airbus A320 family in FlightGear. == Takeoff == Click "Aircraft > Configuration Center > Ready for takeoff" and wait for a while, then push the throttle in the 3D cockpit to TO/GA. When the airspeed exceeds Vr, pull back on the stick to rotate. == Climb == After takeoff, retract the flaps and landing gear. Failure to do so may lower the maximum operating airspeed (Vmo). If you climb to high altitudes (higher than 30000 ft / 9150 m), note that the max airspeed will decrease at higher altitudes. == Cruise == Once at cruising altitude, reduce the throttle to a suitable cruise setting. You can press "v" or "shift+v" to switch views and enjoy the scenery, and press Ctrl+v to switch back to the cockpit. == Approach and landing == === Approach === Begin the approach by reducing throttle to idle or a low cruise setting. Extend the landing gear and flaps gradually according to the aircraft's speed. Monitor the airspeed carefully; extending flaps and gear will increase drag and reduce speed. Adjust pitch and throttle to keep the aircraft on the glideslope (click "View > Toggle glide scope tunnel" to enable it). Set the ILS frequency if available, or navigate visually to the runway heading. Maintain a stable descent rate, typically 500-800 feet per minute for most airliners. === Landing === When the runway is in sight and the aircraft is properly aligned, continue descending toward the threshold. As the aircraft approaches the runway, reduce throttle to idle and begin the flare by gently pulling back on the stick just above the runway. The main landing gear should touch down first, followed by the nose gear. After touchdown, deploy spoilers if available and apply reverse thrust if equipped. Brake as needed to slow the aircraft to taxi speed. Retract flaps and turn off landing lights once clear of the runway. === After Landing === Taxi to the parking position at a safe speed. Set the parking brake (by pressing shift+b), shut down engines, and turn off electrical systems as appropriate. == Notices == === Warning lights === Monitor the yellow (CAUTION) or red (WARNING) lights on the instrument panel. If they appear, immediate actions are required. === Fly-by-Wire Notes === Compared to other yoke-controlled aircrafts, the fly-by-wire system of A320 has several different characteristics: * '''Sidestick is not linked''': The captain and first officer sidesticks move independently. You cannot feel what the other pilot is doing. * '''No autotrim''': The aircraft trims automatically. Do not attempt manual trim. * '''Release returns to neutral''': Releasing the sidestick centers it, but the aircraft holds its current attitude. * '''Flight envelope protection''': The system prevents stalls, excessive bank angles, and overloads. You may feel a "hard stop" when limits are reached. * '''Thrust levers have detents''': Use the physical detents (TO/GA, FLX/MCT, CL, IDLE) rather than smooth movement. Leave levers in CL during autothrust operation. * '''Dual input warning''': If both sidesticks are moved simultaneously, a "DUAL INPUT" voice warning sounds and both inputs are summed. == References == {{Reflist}} {{BookCat}} 2l7d7prkqz7qkamar5ivuvhwlnd6v3v 4637116 4637115 2026-05-23T02:52:12Z Fcbs3 3546790 /* After Landing */ 4637116 wikitext text/x-wiki This page introduces the way to fly Airbus A320 family in FlightGear. == Takeoff == Click "Aircraft > Configuration Center > Ready for takeoff" and wait for a while, then push the throttle in the 3D cockpit to TO/GA. When the airspeed exceeds Vr, pull back on the stick to rotate. == Climb == After takeoff, retract the flaps and landing gear. Failure to do so may lower the maximum operating airspeed (Vmo). If you climb to high altitudes (higher than 30000 ft / 9150 m), note that the max airspeed will decrease at higher altitudes. == Cruise == Once at cruising altitude, reduce the throttle to a suitable cruise setting. You can press "v" or "shift+v" to switch views and enjoy the scenery, and press Ctrl+v to switch back to the cockpit. == Approach and landing == === Approach === Begin the approach by reducing throttle to idle or a low cruise setting. Extend the landing gear and flaps gradually according to the aircraft's speed. Monitor the airspeed carefully; extending flaps and gear will increase drag and reduce speed. Adjust pitch and throttle to keep the aircraft on the glideslope (click "View > Toggle glide scope tunnel" to enable it). Set the ILS frequency if available, or navigate visually to the runway heading. Maintain a stable descent rate, typically 500-800 feet per minute for most airliners. === Landing === When the runway is in sight and the aircraft is properly aligned, continue descending toward the threshold. As the aircraft approaches the runway, reduce throttle to idle and begin the flare by gently pulling back on the stick just above the runway. The main landing gear should touch down first, followed by the nose gear. After touchdown, deploy spoilers if available and apply reverse thrust if equipped. Brake as needed to slow the aircraft to taxi speed. Retract flaps and turn off landing lights once clear of the runway. === After Landing === Taxi to the parking position at a safe speed. Set the parking brake (by pressing shift+b), shut down engines, and turn off electrical systems in the configuration dialog (Aircraft > Configuration Center). == Notices == === Warning lights === Monitor the yellow (CAUTION) or red (WARNING) lights on the instrument panel. If they appear, immediate actions are required. === Fly-by-Wire Notes === Compared to other yoke-controlled aircrafts, the fly-by-wire system of A320 has several different characteristics: * '''Sidestick is not linked''': The captain and first officer sidesticks move independently. You cannot feel what the other pilot is doing. * '''No autotrim''': The aircraft trims automatically. Do not attempt manual trim. * '''Release returns to neutral''': Releasing the sidestick centers it, but the aircraft holds its current attitude. * '''Flight envelope protection''': The system prevents stalls, excessive bank angles, and overloads. You may feel a "hard stop" when limits are reached. * '''Thrust levers have detents''': Use the physical detents (TO/GA, FLX/MCT, CL, IDLE) rather than smooth movement. Leave levers in CL during autothrust operation. * '''Dual input warning''': If both sidesticks are moved simultaneously, a "DUAL INPUT" voice warning sounds and both inputs are summed. == References == {{Reflist}} {{BookCat}} 24d8e39em0fvrzknc5kwr7yy555ob0g 4637117 4637116 2026-05-23T02:52:37Z Fcbs3 3546790 /* Fly-by-Wire Notes */ 4637117 wikitext text/x-wiki This page introduces the way to fly Airbus A320 family in FlightGear. == Takeoff == Click "Aircraft > Configuration Center > Ready for takeoff" and wait for a while, then push the throttle in the 3D cockpit to TO/GA. When the airspeed exceeds Vr, pull back on the stick to rotate. == Climb == After takeoff, retract the flaps and landing gear. Failure to do so may lower the maximum operating airspeed (Vmo). If you climb to high altitudes (higher than 30000 ft / 9150 m), note that the max airspeed will decrease at higher altitudes. == Cruise == Once at cruising altitude, reduce the throttle to a suitable cruise setting. You can press "v" or "shift+v" to switch views and enjoy the scenery, and press Ctrl+v to switch back to the cockpit. == Approach and landing == === Approach === Begin the approach by reducing throttle to idle or a low cruise setting. Extend the landing gear and flaps gradually according to the aircraft's speed. Monitor the airspeed carefully; extending flaps and gear will increase drag and reduce speed. Adjust pitch and throttle to keep the aircraft on the glideslope (click "View > Toggle glide scope tunnel" to enable it). Set the ILS frequency if available, or navigate visually to the runway heading. Maintain a stable descent rate, typically 500-800 feet per minute for most airliners. === Landing === When the runway is in sight and the aircraft is properly aligned, continue descending toward the threshold. As the aircraft approaches the runway, reduce throttle to idle and begin the flare by gently pulling back on the stick just above the runway. The main landing gear should touch down first, followed by the nose gear. After touchdown, deploy spoilers if available and apply reverse thrust if equipped. Brake as needed to slow the aircraft to taxi speed. Retract flaps and turn off landing lights once clear of the runway. === After Landing === Taxi to the parking position at a safe speed. Set the parking brake (by pressing shift+b), shut down engines, and turn off electrical systems in the configuration dialog (Aircraft > Configuration Center). == Notices == === Warning lights === Monitor the yellow (CAUTION) or red (WARNING) lights on the instrument panel. If they appear, immediate actions are required. === Fly-by-Wire Notes === Compared to other yoke-controlled aircrafts, the fly-by-wire system of A320 has several different characteristics: * '''Sidestick is not linked''': The captain and first officer sidesticks move independently. You cannot feel what the other pilot is doing. * '''No autotrim''': The aircraft trims automatically. Do not attempt manual trim. * '''Release returns to neutral''': Releasing the sidestick centers it, but the aircraft holds its current attitude. * '''Flight envelope protection''': The system prevents stalls, excessive bank angles, and overloads. You may feel a "hard stop" when limits are reached. * '''Thrust levers have detents''': Use the physical detents (TO/GA, FLX/MCT, CL, IDLE) rather than smooth movement. Leave levers in CL during autothrust operation. == References == {{Reflist}} {{BookCat}} hh8zb6qbgzf8dfzxbxkpck49qn0k53o 4637118 4637117 2026-05-23T02:54:27Z Fcbs3 3546790 /* Climb */ 4637118 wikitext text/x-wiki This page introduces the way to fly Airbus A320 family in FlightGear. == Takeoff == Click "Aircraft > Configuration Center > Ready for takeoff" and wait for a while, then push the throttle in the 3D cockpit to TO/GA. When the airspeed exceeds Vr, pull back on the stick to rotate. == Climb == After takeoff, retract the flaps and landing gear to increase the airspeed limit. If you climb to high altitudes (higher than 30000 ft / 9150 m), note that the max airspeed (Vmo) will decrease at higher altitudes. == Cruise == Once at cruising altitude, reduce the throttle to a suitable cruise setting. You can press "v" or "shift+v" to switch views and enjoy the scenery, and press Ctrl+v to switch back to the cockpit. == Approach and landing == === Approach === Begin the approach by reducing throttle to idle or a low cruise setting. Extend the landing gear and flaps gradually according to the aircraft's speed. Monitor the airspeed carefully; extending flaps and gear will increase drag and reduce speed. Adjust pitch and throttle to keep the aircraft on the glideslope (click "View > Toggle glide scope tunnel" to enable it). Set the ILS frequency if available, or navigate visually to the runway heading. Maintain a stable descent rate, typically 500-800 feet per minute for most airliners. === Landing === When the runway is in sight and the aircraft is properly aligned, continue descending toward the threshold. As the aircraft approaches the runway, reduce throttle to idle and begin the flare by gently pulling back on the stick just above the runway. The main landing gear should touch down first, followed by the nose gear. After touchdown, deploy spoilers if available and apply reverse thrust if equipped. Brake as needed to slow the aircraft to taxi speed. Retract flaps and turn off landing lights once clear of the runway. === After Landing === Taxi to the parking position at a safe speed. Set the parking brake (by pressing shift+b), shut down engines, and turn off electrical systems in the configuration dialog (Aircraft > Configuration Center). == Notices == === Warning lights === Monitor the yellow (CAUTION) or red (WARNING) lights on the instrument panel. If they appear, immediate actions are required. === Fly-by-Wire Notes === Compared to other yoke-controlled aircrafts, the fly-by-wire system of A320 has several different characteristics: * '''Sidestick is not linked''': The captain and first officer sidesticks move independently. You cannot feel what the other pilot is doing. * '''No autotrim''': The aircraft trims automatically. Do not attempt manual trim. * '''Release returns to neutral''': Releasing the sidestick centers it, but the aircraft holds its current attitude. * '''Flight envelope protection''': The system prevents stalls, excessive bank angles, and overloads. You may feel a "hard stop" when limits are reached. * '''Thrust levers have detents''': Use the physical detents (TO/GA, FLX/MCT, CL, IDLE) rather than smooth movement. Leave levers in CL during autothrust operation. == References == {{Reflist}} {{BookCat}} 17kdhxbz4u8rca9ogd18kfabznu2fql 4637119 4637118 2026-05-23T02:54:42Z Fcbs3 3546790 /* Climb */ 4637119 wikitext text/x-wiki This page introduces the way to fly Airbus A320 family in FlightGear. == Takeoff == Click "Aircraft > Configuration Center > Ready for takeoff" and wait for a while, then push the throttle in the 3D cockpit to TO/GA. When the airspeed exceeds Vr, pull back on the stick to rotate. == Climb == After takeoff, retract the flaps and landing gear to increase the maximum airspeed. If you climb to high altitudes (higher than 30000 ft / 9150 m), note that the max airspeed (Vmo) will decrease at higher altitudes. == Cruise == Once at cruising altitude, reduce the throttle to a suitable cruise setting. You can press "v" or "shift+v" to switch views and enjoy the scenery, and press Ctrl+v to switch back to the cockpit. == Approach and landing == === Approach === Begin the approach by reducing throttle to idle or a low cruise setting. Extend the landing gear and flaps gradually according to the aircraft's speed. Monitor the airspeed carefully; extending flaps and gear will increase drag and reduce speed. Adjust pitch and throttle to keep the aircraft on the glideslope (click "View > Toggle glide scope tunnel" to enable it). Set the ILS frequency if available, or navigate visually to the runway heading. Maintain a stable descent rate, typically 500-800 feet per minute for most airliners. === Landing === When the runway is in sight and the aircraft is properly aligned, continue descending toward the threshold. As the aircraft approaches the runway, reduce throttle to idle and begin the flare by gently pulling back on the stick just above the runway. The main landing gear should touch down first, followed by the nose gear. After touchdown, deploy spoilers if available and apply reverse thrust if equipped. Brake as needed to slow the aircraft to taxi speed. Retract flaps and turn off landing lights once clear of the runway. === After Landing === Taxi to the parking position at a safe speed. Set the parking brake (by pressing shift+b), shut down engines, and turn off electrical systems in the configuration dialog (Aircraft > Configuration Center). == Notices == === Warning lights === Monitor the yellow (CAUTION) or red (WARNING) lights on the instrument panel. If they appear, immediate actions are required. === Fly-by-Wire Notes === Compared to other yoke-controlled aircrafts, the fly-by-wire system of A320 has several different characteristics: * '''Sidestick is not linked''': The captain and first officer sidesticks move independently. You cannot feel what the other pilot is doing. * '''No autotrim''': The aircraft trims automatically. Do not attempt manual trim. * '''Release returns to neutral''': Releasing the sidestick centers it, but the aircraft holds its current attitude. * '''Flight envelope protection''': The system prevents stalls, excessive bank angles, and overloads. You may feel a "hard stop" when limits are reached. * '''Thrust levers have detents''': Use the physical detents (TO/GA, FLX/MCT, CL, IDLE) rather than smooth movement. Leave levers in CL during autothrust operation. == References == {{Reflist}} {{BookCat}} kfw67n1b1ih437qxln5w19e0n4onlic 4637123 4637119 2026-05-23T03:10:26Z Fcbs3 3546790 4637123 wikitext text/x-wiki This page introduces the way to fly Airbus A320 family in FlightGear. == Takeoff == Click "Aircraft > Configuration Center > Ready for takeoff" and wait for a while, then push the throttle in the 3D cockpit to TO/GA. When the airspeed exceeds Vr, pull back to rotate. == Climb == After takeoff, press <code>[</code> to retract the flaps and <code>g</code> to retract the landing gear, allowing the aircraft to accelerate to a higher airspeed. If you climb to high altitudes (higher than 30000 ft / 9150 m), note that the max airspeed Vmo (shown on PFD) will decrease at higher altitudes. == Cruise == Once at cruising altitude, reduce the throttle to a suitable cruise setting. You can press "v" or "shift+v" to switch views and enjoy the scenery, and press Ctrl+v to switch back to the cockpit. == Approach and landing == === Approach === Begin the approach by reducing throttle to idle or a low cruise setting. Extend the landing gear by pressing <code>shift+g</code>, and extend flaps gradually according to the aircraft's speed by pressing <code>]</code>. Monitor the airspeed carefully; extending flaps and gear will increase drag and reduce speed. Adjust pitch and throttle to keep the aircraft on the glideslope (click "View > Toggle glide scope tunnel" to enable it). Set the ILS frequency if available, or navigate visually to the runway heading. Maintain a stable descent rate, typically 500-800 feet per minute for most airliners. === Landing === When the runway is in sight and the aircraft is properly aligned, continue descending toward the threshold. As the aircraft approaches the runway, reduce throttle to idle and begin the flare by gently pulling back on the stick just above the runway. The main landing gear should touch down first, followed by the nose gear. After touchdown, deploy spoilers if available and apply reverse thrust if equipped. Brake as needed to slow the aircraft to taxi speed. Retract flaps and turn off landing lights once clear of the runway. === After Landing === Taxi to the parking position at a safe speed. Set the parking brake (by pressing shift+b), shut down engines, and turn off electrical systems in the configuration dialog (Aircraft > Configuration Center). == Notices == === Warning lights === Monitor the yellow (CAUTION) or red (WARNING) lights on the instrument panel. If they appear, immediate actions are required. === Fly-by-Wire Notes === Compared to other yoke-controlled aircrafts, the fly-by-wire system of A320 has several different characteristics: * '''Sidestick is not linked''': The captain and first officer sidesticks move independently. You cannot feel what the other pilot is doing. * '''No autotrim''': The aircraft trims automatically. Do not attempt manual trim. * '''Release returns to neutral''': Releasing the sidestick centers it, but the aircraft holds its current attitude. * '''Flight envelope protection''': The system prevents stalls, excessive bank angles, and overloads. You may feel a "hard stop" when limits are reached. * '''Thrust levers have detents''': Use the physical detents (TO/GA, FLX/MCT, CL, IDLE) rather than smooth movement. Leave levers in CL during autothrust operation. == References == {{Reflist}} {{BookCat}} me2nsmhvtgdk4qz65l0xq8kbrxdusvp 4637128 4637123 2026-05-23T04:32:30Z Fcbs3 3546790 4637128 wikitext text/x-wiki This page introduces the way to fly Airbus A320 family in FlightGear. == Takeoff == Click "Aircraft > Configuration Center > Ready for takeoff" and wait for a while, then push the throttle in the 3D cockpit to TO/GA. When the airspeed exceeds Vr, pull back to rotate. == Climb == After takeoff, press <code>[</code> to retract the flaps and <code>g</code> to retract the landing gear, allowing the aircraft to accelerate to a higher airspeed. If you climb to high altitudes (higher than 30000 ft / 9150 m), note that the max airspeed Vmo (shown on PFD) will decrease at higher altitudes. == Cruise == Once at cruising altitude, reduce the throttle to a suitable cruise setting. You can press "v" or "shift+v" to switch views and enjoy the scenery, and press Ctrl+v to switch back to the cockpit. == Approach and landing == === Approach === Begin the approach by reducing throttle to idle or a low cruise setting. Extend the landing gear by pressing <code>shift+g</code>, and extend flaps gradually according to the aircraft's speed by pressing <code>]</code>. Monitor the airspeed carefully; extending flaps and gear will increase drag and reduce speed. Adjust pitch and throttle to keep the aircraft on the glideslope (click "View > Toggle glide scope tunnel" to enable it). Set the ILS frequency if available, or navigate visually to the runway heading. Maintain a stable descent rate, typically 500-800 feet per minute for most airliners. === Landing === When the runway is in sight and the aircraft is properly aligned, continue descending toward the threshold. As the aircraft approaches the runway, reduce throttle to idle and begin the flare by gently pulling back on the stick just above the runway. The main landing gear should touch down first, followed by the nose gear. After touchdown, deploy spoilers if available and apply reverse thrust if equipped. Brake as needed to slow the aircraft to taxi speed. Retract flaps and turn off landing lights once clear of the runway. === After Landing === Taxi to the parking position at a safe speed. Set the parking brake (by pressing shift+b), shut down engines, and turn off electrical systems in the configuration dialog (Aircraft > Configuration Center). == Notices == === Warning lights === Monitor the yellow (CAUTION) or red (WARNING) lights on the instrument panel. If they appear, immediate actions are required. === Fly-by-Wire Notes === Compared to other yoke-controlled aircrafts, the fly-by-wire system of A320 has several different characteristics: * '''Sidestick is not linked''': The captain and first officer sidesticks move independently. You cannot feel what the other pilot is doing. * '''No autotrim''': The aircraft trims automatically. Do not attempt manual trim. * '''Release returns to neutral''': Releasing the sidestick centers it, but the aircraft holds its current attitude. * '''Flight envelope protection''': The system prevents stalls, excessive bank angles, and overloads. You may feel a "hard stop" when limits are reached. * '''Thrust levers have detents''': Use the physical detents (TO/GA, FLX/MCT, CL, IDLE) rather than smooth movement. 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The system was developed as part of a 1965 master plan that directed urban growth along five radial corridors, with zoning regulations tying building density to proximity to bus routes <ref name=":7" />. The plan was implemented primarily under mayor Jaime Lerner, an architect who served three terms between 1971 and 1992 <ref>{{Cite journal |last=Bleviss |first=Deborah |date=18 May 2022 |title=The legacy of Jaime Lerner and Curitiba, Brazil |url=https://wires.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/wene.436 |journal=WIREs Energy and Environment |volume=11 |issue=5}}</ref> . The RIT operates as a hierarchical network with high-capacity express buses on dedicated busways, supported by the direct line, inter-neighborhood and feeder routes linking terminals to residential areas <ref>{{Cite web |last=urbs |title=Line Catagories |url=https://www.urbs.curitiba.pr.gov.br/transporte/rede-integrada-de-transporte/24 |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.urbs.curitiba.pr.gov.br |language=pt-br}}</ref>. The system spans approximately 83 km of segregated busway with over 337 tube stations with platforms that enable pre-paid, level boarding <ref>{{Cite web |last=urbs |date=May 2026 |title=RIT Characteristics |url=https://www.urbs.curitiba.pr.gov.br/transporte/rede-integrada-de-transporte/18}}</ref>. The BRT system has been used as a reference for cities world wide, with roughly 200 cities using it for inspiration <ref name=":8" />. However, the system is now under pressure. Ridership has fallen significantly from its 2014 peak as car ownership has risen, ride-hailing apps have drawn away passengers, and the COVID-19 pandemic caused a sharp drop in travel. In 2015, a political dispute between the state government and city government split the metropolitan bus network apart, ending the single fare system <ref name=":4" />. This brings to question whether the institutional and design innovations that made Curitiba a global model can be renewed to address these contemporary pressures. == List of Actors == To build up a well designed BRT, various parties are involved to maintain high frequency of service, as well as the integration of land use (World Bank, 2022, p.173). The list of actors can be characterised in several aspects, including planning stage, governance stage, technology and infrastructure stage, financial stage, legal and end user (Prestes, Ultramari & Caetano, 2022, p.701). Details are as follows: Planning stage: {| class="wikitable" |'''Actor''' |'''Primary Responsibility''' |'''Interaction''' |- |'''IPPUC (Instituto de Pesquisa e Planejamento Urbano de Curitiba)''' |Design & Land Use; The institute was created in 1965 and plays a key role to implement and monitor the Curitiba Master Plan. They ensure that transportation is integrated with land-use planning (e.g., high-density residential corridors along bus lines) and to monitor the performance and provide continuity to upgrade the RIT. |Tells URBS where the lines ''should'' go. |} Government stage: {| class="wikitable" |'''Actor''' |'''Primary Responsibility''' |'''Interaction''' |- |'''City Government (Prefeitura de Curitiba):''' |Led by the Mayor Jaime Lerner, appoints the heads of the planning and management bodies, ensuring the RIT aligns with broader social and economic goals. The ultimate political authority over the urban RIT. The Mayor office sets strategic policy, approves fare structures, and allocates municipal funds to the system. The public authority behind transport policy and the broader urban model that shaped the system. |Provides the political mandate and legal framework. |- |'''URBS (Urbanização de Curitiba)''' |Fleet & Fare Management; The central operational manager of the RIT. Under Law 12,597/2008, URBS is responsible for the regulation, management, operation, planning, and oversight of the Passenger Collective Transport System of the Municipality of Curitiba. The responsibilities are managing revenue and remunerating companies per kilometre driven. It also manages the urban smart card (Cartão Transporte). the municipal company that plans the system, defines routes and schedules, regulates operations, and collects fares. The "operator of operators." A 99.9% publicly owned company that manages the daily logistics. * '''Functions:''' Sets fares, defines routes, monitors schedules via GPS, and manages the collection and distribution of fare revenue to private companies. |Controls the money and monitors the private companies. Roles: |- |'''AMEP — Agência de Assuntos Metropolitanos do Paraná (formerly COMEC)''' |Regional Integration; The state-level metropolitan authority. The administration of the RIT is currently shared between AMEP, formerly COMEC, and URBS. 19 bus companies operate routes in the metropolitan municipalities. AMEP was created in 2023 as a successor to COMEC (Coordenação da Região Metropolitana de Curitiba), linked to the State Government of Paraná, and is responsible for managing the integration of collective transport systems in the Greater Curitiba Metropolitan Region (RMC). The broader regional transport actor is mentioned as part of the operation system alongside. The state-level agency responsible for coordinating transport between Curitiba and its neighboring satellite cities. They ensure the "Integrated" part of the RIT extends beyond city borders. |Negotiates routes between Curitiba and the suburbs. |- |'''Government of the State of Paraná (Governo do Estado do Paraná)''' |In 1996, COMEC (the then-coordinator of the Metropolitan Region) established an agreement with URBS for the latter to manage metropolitan lines. The State government holds jurisdiction over the metropolitan transport network and funds AMEP. | |- |'''Câmara Municipal de Curitiba (City Council)''' |The legislative body with oversight over the RIT. The Special Transport Commission of the City Council (CMC) has promoted technical visits and meetings to understand the functioning of the public transport system, details of the current concession contract, and the upcoming bidding process. '''Conselho de Transporte Coletivo da RMC (CTC-RMC) — Metropolitan Transport Council:''' An inter-federal governance body. Created in 2018 by State Decree No. 8,789 and currently governed by State Law No. 21,311 of December 2022, the Council is an inter-federal body linked to the State Secretariat of Cities (SECID), with the purpose of advising the State Government and municipalities of the Greater Curitiba Metropolitan Region on formulating public policies and implementing programs for the development of collective transport in the region. ·       '''AGEPAR — Agência Reguladora do Paraná:''' The RIT/M (Metropolitan Integrated Transport Network) guarantees the physical-operational integration between Curitiba and 23 municipalities. AGEPAR is responsible for homologating technical fares for metropolitan lines and issuing regulatory resolutions governing metropolitan transport tariffs. ·       '''Secretaria de Estado das Cidades (SECID) — State Secretariat of Cities:''' The state-level department to which the CTC-RMC is linked, providing political oversight and coordination between state and metropolitan transport policies. | |- |'''Private Companies (Consórcios)''' |Driving & Maintenance; There are typically 10 to 12 private companies (organized into three main consortia: Pontual, Transbus, and Internorte) that own and operate the bus fleet. They run under contracts and URBS rules and are paid from pooled fare revenue based on service provided. * '''Remuneration Model:''' Unlike many cities, these companies are paid by the kilometer traveled rather than per passenger. This removes the incentive for "bus racing" and ensures service even in lower-demand areas. §  '''Consórcio Pioneiro:''' One of the three private consortia that won the 2009 public tender and currently operate urban bus lines within Curitiba under concession from URBS. The three consortia — Pioneiro, Pontual, and Transbus — receive remuneration based on kilometres driven, weighted by their share of the system. §  '''Consórcio Pontual:''' The second of the three concession consortia operating urban lines in the RIT. §  '''Consórcio Transbus:''' The third consortium holding a concession to operate urban bus lines. The transport service is executed by companies linked to 3 winning consortia from the 2009 public bid. §  '''19 Metropolitan Bus Companies (Empresas Metropolitanas):''' Operate routes in the municipalities of the metropolitan region, covering 16 metropolitan terminals, of which 15 are located in surrounding cities and one in Curitiba (Terminal Guadalupe). Of these metropolitan operators, 12 operate lines already integrated into the RIT. |Follows URBS schedules; gets paid by distance. |} Technology and infrastructure stage: {| class="wikitable" |'''Dataprom''' |A key local technology partner providing intelligent transport solutions, including electronic ticketing systems and fleet management hardware. | |- |'''Infrastructure Contractors''' |Private firms contracted for the maintenance of the '''Tube Stations''' (Estação Tubo) and the dedicated "Trunk" lanes that define the BRT corridors. | |} Financial stage: {| class="wikitable" |'''FUC — Fundo de Urbanização de Curitiba (Curitiba Urbanization Fund)''' |The financial instrument underpinning the system. The entire structure is funded by the FUC, whose annual budget will be R$109 million in 2025, governed by Municipal Laws 4,369/1972 and 15,258/2018. All fare revenue from passengers is deposited into this fund and redistributed to operators. | |- |'''Associação Metrocard''' |The entity that administers transport cards in the metropolitan region. It functions as the smart-card ticketing operator for metropolitan (non-urban) RIT passengers, complementing the urban card system of URBS. ·       '''BNDES — Banco Nacional de Desenvolvimento Econômico e Social:''' BNDES was contracted in October 2023 by URBS for R$10 million to structure the concession project for public transport services. Key goals include electrification of the fleet (33% electric buses by 2030, 100% by 2050) and restructuring the RIT concession model. ·       '''BID — Banco Interamericano de Desenvolvimento (IDB):''' The RIT has been attracting external financing for investments in road restructuring and the development of a new station model from the Inter-American Development Bank (IDB). ·       '''Consórcio Oficina-Tylin-Rhein-Addax:''' In April 2024, BNDES contracted the Consórcio Oficina-Tylin-Rhein-Addax to support the concession structuring project, covering transport network redesign, electrification planning, and PPP modelling. | |} Legal stage: {| class="wikitable" |'''TCE-PR — Tribunal de Contas do Estado do Paraná (State Audit Court)''' |The members of the TCE-PR judged a Representation concerning AMEP for irregularities related to the Annual Oversight Plan of 2020, finding grave failures in intra-regional coordination and issuing determinations for AMEP to adjust its governance structures and properly implement the CTC-RMC. | |- |'''Ministério Público do Paraná / MPC-PR (Public Prosecutor Office)''' |The public prosecutor office has been raising concerns during investigations of alleged fraud in the previous 2009 bidding process, and the Public Prosecutor of Accounts (MPC-PR) has pressed for AMEP to comply with governance requirements. | |- |'''ASSOMEC — Associação dos Municípios da Região Metropolitana de Curitiba''' |Represents the municipalities of Greater Curitiba in inter-governmental forums. The Secretary-Executive of ASSOMEC participates in CTC-RMC meetings, advocating for the interests of metropolitan municipalities in transport integration negotiations. | |} End user (civil society): {| class="wikitable" |'''Passengers / Commuters (Usuários)''' |The primary beneficiaries of the RIT. The RIT currently counts 17 bus terminals, 5,774 stops including the capital, and 201 regular lines, transporting approximately 388,400 passengers on working days. More than 70% of metropolitan users arriving in Curitiba do so via the integrated network. Public acceptance. With approximately '''70-75% of the population''' using the system daily, the public is a major stakeholder. Their high ridership provides the fare-box revenue that keeps the system self-sustaining without heavy government subsidies. | |- |'''Bus Drivers, Fare Collectors & Transport Workers (Trabalhadores do Transporte),''' '''Terminal and stop staff''' |Inspectors/ticket collectors at tube stops and terminals who support off-board fare collection and access control (from wiki); Staff members stationed at each "tube" to facilitate fare prepayment and assist with accessibility ramps, playing a vital role in reducing "dwell time" (the time a bus spends stopped). Private operating companies are responsible for hiring and remunerating operating personnel (drivers, fare collectors, etc.). Their unions and labour conditions are directly shaped by the concession contracts. | |- |'''Land-use and development actors''' |Developers and businesses influenced by the structural-axes zoning, incentives, and corridor-based growth model. | |- |'''Civil Society Organizations & User Advocacy Groups''' |The city government must reconcile the BNDES structuring project with the expectations of users, organised civil society, and sector companies, recognizing civil society as a formal stakeholder in the upcoming concession redesign. | |} == Timeline of Events == {| class="wikitable" |+ !Time Period !Event !Description |- |1965–1966 |Master Plan and IPPUC founded |During the peak of Brazil's rapid urbanization a master plan competition was held. The winning plan proposed city growth along radial structural axes that integrated land use, road design and mass transit as a single system <ref name=":0">{{Cite journal |last=Rabinovitch |first=Jonas |date=1992 |title=Curitiba: towards sustainable urban development |url=https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/095624789200400206 |journal=Environment & Urbanization |volume=4 |issue=2 |pages=62-73}}</ref>. The municipal authority adopted the plan and created IPPUC. |- |1971 |Jaime Lerner appointed mayor |Brazil's Military government installed the 33-year-old architect, who activated IPPUC's plans <ref name=":0" />. |- |1972 |Rua XV de Novembro pedestrianised |Lerner converted Curitiba's busiest commercial street into a pedestrian area in just 72 hours, establishing the principle that public space could be reallocated from cars to people<ref>{{Cite web |title=Spatial Agency: Jaime Lerner |url=https://www.spatialagency.net/database/jaime.lerner |access-date=2026-05-21 |website=www.spatialagency.net |language=en}}</ref>. |- |1974 |First BRT corridor opens |The Norte–Sul axis launched with 20 km of dedicated busway, carrying 54,000 daily passengers in its first year <ref name=":8">{{Cite web |last=Daher |first=Ariadne dos Santos |date=2024-10-17 |title=Curitiba: 50 Years of Lessons from the World’s First 'Bus Rapid Transit' |url=https://usa.streetsblog.org/2024/10/17/curitiba-50-years-of-lessons-from-the-worlds-first-bus-rapid-transit |access-date=2026-05-21 |website=Streetsblog USA |language=en-US}}</ref>, given the title of the world's first true Bus Rapid Transit line <ref name=":6">{{Cite web |date=2016-05-18 |title=What the World's First Bus Rapid Transit System Can Teach Us |url=https://development.asia/case-study/what-worlds-first-bus-rapid-transit-system-can-teach-us |access-date=2026-05-21 |website=Development Asia |language=en}}</ref>. |- |1970s |Zoning Laws enacted |The laws tied building density to proximity to the structural axes with the aim of directing linear growth along the transit system. <ref name=":7">{{Cite journal |last=Rabinovitch |first=Jonas |date=1996 |title=Urban Planning in Curitiba |url=https://www.jstor.org/stable/24989439 |journal=Scientific American |volume=274 |issue=3 |pages=46-53}}</ref> |- |1980 |Single-fare integration and opening of Leste Oeste |The opening of the Leste–Oeste corridor came with the launch of an integrated network; all existing services were consolidated under a single flat fare with free transfers at terminals<ref>{{Cite web |title=História do transporte |url=https://urbs.curitiba.pr.gov.br/transporte/historia-transporte |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.urbs.curitiba.pr.gov.br |language=pt-br}}</ref> |- |Early 1900s |Tube stations and bi-articulated buses introduced |The iconic glass tube stations enabled off-vehicle fare payment and platform-level boarding, cutting dwell times. At the same time, Volvo and Curitiba co-developed the world's first commercial bi-articulated bus (200 passenger capacity) <ref name=":3">{{Cite web |last=Brasil |first=Volvo |date=2022-08-15 |title=Biarticulado Volvo completa três décadas de revolução no transporte de passageiros |url=https://saladeimprensavolvo.com.br/biarticulado-volvo-completa-tres-decadas-de-revolucao-no-transporte-de-passageiros/ |access-date=2026-05-21 |website=Sala de Imprensa Volvo |language=pt-BR}}</ref>. |- |2009 |Green Line (Linha Verde) opens |The sixth BRT corridor of the RIT, conceived in 2002, began operations in May 2009 along a 9.4 km initial stretch at an estimated cost of US$60 million <ref name=":1">{{Cite journal |last=Lindau |first=Luis Antonio |last2=Hidalgo |first2=Dario |last3=Facchini |first3=Daniela |date=2010 |title=Curitiba, the Cradle of Bus Rapid Transit |url=https://www.jstor.org/stable/23289717 |journal=Built Environment (1978-) |volume=36 |issue=3 |pages=274–282 |issn=}}</ref>. It was built along a former federal roadway (BR-116), and was the first RIT corridor to incorporate overtaking lanes for a mix of express and direct BRT services<ref name=":1" />. |- |2015 |Metropolitan integration collapses |The political dispute between former mayor Fruet (PDT) and Governor Richa (PSDB) ended the transport integration between the capital and the metropolitan region. In February 2015 the single fare was abolished. Management of 106 lines linking neighbouring municipalities to the capital was transferred to COMEC<ref name=":4">{{Cite web |date=2017-10-10 |title=O declínio do sistema de ônibus de Curitiba |url=https://www.gazetadopovo.com.br/politica/parana/de-modelo-a-defasadoo-declinio-do-sistema-de-onibus-de-curitiba-eiptbg8t5o8ks4uv419gaczg1/ |access-date=2026-05-21 |website=Gazeta do Povo |language=pt-BR}}</ref>. |} == Map of Locations == [[File:Curitiba PublicTransport.png|center|frame|The map shows the Expresso Biarticulado and Linhas Direta network as of 2005, with the left panel showing express routes operating in dedicated busways along five structural axes. While the right panel overlays the silver direct lines, with services stopping at tube stations approximately every 3 km <ref>{{Cite web |title=Rede Integrada de Transporte |url=https://www.urbs.curitiba.pr.gov.br/transporte/rede-integrada-de-transporte |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.urbs.curitiba.pr.gov.br |language=pt-br}}</ref>.]] == Policy Issues == The first major policy issue was rapid urbanisation and overcrowding. With the development and expansion of Curitiba, the population of its metropolitan area has grown from less than 200,000 in the 1950s to 3.7 million today. The city is renowned in the global planning community for its Bus Rapid Transit (BRT) network and sustainable development credentials<ref name=":2">{{Cite web |title=Case study: Curitiba {{!}} The Royal Town Planning Institute |url=https://www.rtpi.org.uk/policy-and-research/futureproof-new-towns-international-lessons-on-how-to-build-flexible-and-adaptable-new-towns-in-england/7-case-study-curitiba/ |access-date=2026-05-21 |website=www.rtpi.org.uk |language=en-GB}}</ref>. However, due to a reduced fleet and lack of maintenance, buses account for only 1% of the total number of vehicles. Moreover, Curitiba has the highest per capita car ownership among Brazilian capitals, with 1.2 million vehicles for 1.8 million residents, which is a major cause of frequent traffic congestion in the city <ref name=":5">{{Cite web |title=Curitiba é capital com mais carros por pessoa – veja ranking |url=https://quatrorodas.abril.com.br/noticias/curitiba-e-capital-com-mais-carros-por-pessoa-veja-ranking/ |access-date=2026-05-21 |website=Quatro Rodas |language=pt-BR}}</ref>. Given that overcrowding prevents users from boarding buses, citizens are forced to find alternative ways to reach their destinations. The policy issue was not simply how to operate buses, but how to create a public transport network strong enough to compete with private car use. Therefore, the government's planning department should establish an integrated regional transportation system and utilize structural axes to support linear urban expansion, and concentrate higher-density development along public transportation corridors <ref>{{Cite web |title=Good Practices in City Energy Efficiency: Eco2 Cities: Curitiba, Brazil - Cost Is No Barrier to Ecological and Economic Urban Planning, Development, and Management {{!}} ESMAP |url=https://www.esmap.org/node/1232 |access-date=2026-05-21 |website=www.esmap.org}}</ref>. The second issue is social equity and accessibility. A public transport system becomes a policy issue because it affects who can access jobs, education, services and public life. Transport equity should not only be assessed through speed and efficiency, but also through how fairly transport benefits and burdens are distributed across different social groups <ref>{{Cite journal |last=Pereira |first=Rafael H. M. |last2=Schwanen |first2=Tim |last3=Banister |first3=David |date=2017-03-04 |title=Distributive justice and equity in transportation |url=https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/01441647.2016.1257660 |journal=Transport Reviews |language=en |volume=37 |issue=2 |pages=170–191 |doi=10.1080/01441647.2016.1257660 |issn=0144-1647}}</ref>. RIT attempted to reduce this problem by creating an integrated network where passengers could move across the city through coordinated routes and fare integration. This is important because transport policy is also social policy: it determines whether mobility is treated as a public service or mainly as an individual responsibility. However, equity remains a continuing issue because transport systems can become overcrowded, underfunded or less accessible as metropolitan areas expand. The research on transit-oriented development in Curitiba also suggests that accessibility benefits may not always be evenly distributed, especially when lower-income groups are pushed towards peripheral areas with weaker access to high-quality transit <ref>{{Cite journal |last=Turbay |first=André L.B. |last2=Pereira |first2=Rafael H.M. |last3=Firmino |first3=Rodrigo |date=June 2024 |title=The equity implications of TOD in Curitiba |url=https://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S2213624X2400066X |journal=Case Studies on Transport Policy |language=en |volume=16 |pages=101211 |doi=10.1016/j.cstp.2024.101211}}</ref>. The third policy issue concerns governance and institutional coordination. RIT required cooperation between the municipal government, planning authorities, transport agencies and private bus operators. The RTPI case study argues that Curitiba’s planning success depended not only on having a plan, but also on ongoing strategic and problem-solving capacity, including a strong relationship between political leadership, planning bodies and transport authorities <ref name=":2" />. This shows that the policy challenge was institutional as well as technical. A BRT system cannot succeed only because buses and stations are built; it also requires regulation, funding, service coordination, land-use control and long-term adaptation. There are also clear trade-offs in this case. One trade-off is between cost and capacity. BRT is generally cheaper and faster to implement than rail, but it may face capacity limits if demand grows beyond the system’s design. Another trade-off is between bus priority and road space for private vehicles. The exclusive bus lanes can improve reliability and service quality, but they require the city to allocate valuable road space away from cars and may also reduce road capacity for mixed traffic and create resistance from car users<ref>{{Cite book |last=Transportation Research Board |url=https://www.nationalacademies.org/publications/14518 |title=Cost/Benefit Analysis of Converting a Lane for Bus Rapid Transit--Phase II Evaluation and Methodology |last2=National Cooperative Highway Research Program |last3=Transportation Research Board |date=2011 |publisher=National Academies Press |isbn=978-0-309-28149-2 |location=Washington, D.C. |doi=10.17226/14518}}</ref>. A third trade-off is between affordability and financial sustainability. Low fares support social inclusion, but the system still needs enough revenue and public support to maintain service quality. Overall, the RIT case identifies several connected policy issues: how to manage rapid urban growth, provide affordable mass transit, integrate land use with transport, and improve accessibility. Curitiba’s main lesson is that public transport policy should not be analysed only as an engineering or service-delivery issue. Instead, it should be understood as part of wider urban policy. The RIT was important because it connected transport with land development, social inclusion, environmental goals and governance. At the same time, the case also shows that even a successful transport model requires continuous adaptation, funding and institutional coordination to remain effective. == Narrative of the Case == Curitiba’s Rede Integrada de Transporte, or RIT, developed from a wider attempt to manage urban growth rather than from a single transport project. In the 1960s, Curitiba’s planning strategy directed development along structural axes, where higher-density land use was connected with major public transport corridors<ref name=":0" />. This meant that the bus system was planned together with the shape of the city, rather than added after urban growth had already occurred. The first major BRT corridor opened in the 1970s, using dedicated busways as a lower-cost alternative to rail<ref name=":1" />. Later, the system became more integrated through terminals, a single-fare structure, tube stations and bi-articulated buses<ref name=":3" />. These features helped the RIT carry large numbers of passengers while keeping the system relatively simple for users. The important point is that the RIT was not just a faster bus service. It became part of Curitiba’s urban model by linking transport planning, zoning, and daily access to jobs and services. The system also depended on a specific governance structure. IPPUC provided the planning vision, URBS managed routes, fares and private operators, and bus companies provided services under public regulation<ref name=":2" />. This arrangement helped Curitiba coordinate land use and public transport for a long period. However, it also meant that the system required stable institutional cooperation. As travel demand expanded beyond Curitiba into the wider metropolitan region, coordination became more difficult. The 2015 breakdown of metropolitan integration showed that political and institutional conflict could directly affect passengers, especially commuters travelling from surrounding municipalities<ref name=":4" />. In recent years, the RIT has faced pressures that were not as visible during its earlier period of success. Rising car ownership and competition from ride-hailing placed new pressure on the RIT<ref name=":5" />. The COVID-19 ridership shock further weakened the financial base of the system<ref>{{Cite web |last=Curitiba |first=Prefeitura de |title=Pandemia fez transporte coletivo perder quase 100 mi de passageiros em um ano |url=https://www.curitiba.pr.gov.br/noticias/pandemia-fez-transporte-coletivo-perder-quase-100-mi-de-passageiros-em-um-ano/57745 |access-date=2026-05-21 |website=www.curitiba.pr.gov.br |language=pt-BR}}</ref>. Fare increases created another problem: higher fares may help cover costs in the short term, but they can also push some users away and make public transport less affordable. This creates a difficult cycle between revenue, ridership and service quality. Current reforms, including electric buses<ref>{{Cite web |title=BYD entrega seis ônibus elétricos para Curitiba |url=https://technibus.com.br/2024/06/24/byd-entrega-seis-onibus-eletricos-para-curitiba |access-date=2026-05-21 |website=Technibus |language=pt-BR}}</ref>, changes to the concession model and improvements to Linha Verde<ref>{{Cite web |date=2024-06-10 |title=Após 17 anos, prefeitura de Curitiba entrega obra da Linha Verde |url=https://www.gazetadopovo.com.br/parana/apos-17-anos-prefeitura-de-curitiba-inaugura-obra-da-linha-verde/ |access-date=2026-05-21 |website=Gazeta do Povo |language=pt-BR}}</ref>, show that the RIT is still adapting. However, the case suggests that technology alone will not solve the system’s problems. The future of the RIT depends on whether Curitiba can maintain the original strengths of the model — integrated land use, affordable access and strong public coordination — while responding to new metropolitan, financial and environmental pressures. == Discussion Questions == 1.To what extent was Curitiba’s RIT successful because of BRT technology, and to what extent was it successful because of land-use planning along structural axes? 2.How did the single-fare and transfer system improve accessibility for lower-income and peripheral residents? What financial risks did this create when ridership declined? 3.What does the 2015 breakdown of metropolitan integration show about the role of governance in public transport systems? 4.Can BRT remain a strong alternative to rail as Curitiba’s metropolitan region continues to grow, or are there limits to what BRT can provide? 5.How should Curitiba balance bus priority with rising private car ownership and pressure on road space? 6.Are electric buses and new infrastructure enough to address the RIT’s current problems, or are deeper reforms in fares, contracts and metropolitan coordination needed? 7.Which parts of Curitiba’s RIT model can be transferred to other cities, and which parts depend on Curitiba’s specific planning institutions and political context? == References == {{BookCat}} j3d7ekppd9ocipfyefvwzoh31qt7ig4 0 483455 4637100 4636848 2026-05-23T01:00:08Z JackBot 396820 Formatting, [[Special:UncategorizedPages]] 4637100 wikitext text/x-wiki '''Rb1?? - Twyble Attack''' This meme variation does nothing to help white & is usually played to taunt/disrespect opponents. 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It is made with grilled [[Cookbook:Fish|fish]] served with [[Cookbook:Cassava|cassava]], sweet potatoes, [[Cookbook:Plantain|plantains]], [[Cookbook:Bean|beans]] cooked in [[Cookbook:Palm Oil|palm oil]], and onion tomato sauce. == Ingredients== * 2 whole fish (tilapia, mackerel, or snapper) * 2 cups cooked beans * 3 tablespoons palm oil * 2 onions * 2 tomatoes * 2 garlic cloves * 1 lemon * Salt and pepper * Cassava (yuca) * Sweet potatoes * Plantains ==Procedure== *Clean the fish and season with salt, pepper, garlic, and lemon juice. Leave it for 20 minutes. *Grill the fish or bake it until it is well cooked and golden brown. *Heat palm oil in a pot. Add chopped onions, tomatoes, and garlic. Stir for a few minutes. *Add the cooked beans and allow it to simmer for 10 minutes. *Peel and boil the cassava and sweet potatoes until soft. *Boil or fry the plantains. *Prepare onion sauce by mixing chopped onions, tomatoes, little oil, lemon juice, and salt. Serve the grilled fish with cassava, sweet potatoes, plantains, beans, and onion sauce together on a tray. [[Category:Kenyan recipes]] aoz7v1ykb5c5x35qnx2thr73tf7kzqj 0 483473 4637026 4637022 2026-05-22T12:30:06Z Squishrock 3592145 4637026 wikitext text/x-wiki New South Wales is gripped by a housing affordability problem. To solve this, the state government is rolling out a Transit Oriented Development (TOD) programme to optimise the current rail networks and the new Sydney Metro rail line, maximizing the use of existing train networks and the newly built Sydney Metro. The core idea is to increase housing density right next to public transport hubs. In spatial terms the project targets major transit corridors across Greater Sydney. The government has proposed two levels of rezoning – 8 Tier 1 expedited transport hubs and 31 Tier 2 train stations. State officials could require higher density standards within 400 metres of those specific areas, potentially allowing for the construction of more than 188,000 more dwellings in the following 15 years. But the story of how this policy actually played out was very messy. The TOD programme was initially created by the Department of Planning in complete secrecy to discourage speculation in the housing market. But in early December 2023, an unintentional data leak on the department’s website disclosed the target sites. The government was obliged to bring forward its official statement to December 7, rushing to be ahead of the story after it broke in the media. This fast-paced planning process without prior notice has generated serious policy and governance disagreements among important participants. Local councils were outraged at being denied their planning powers and criticised the absence of sufficient community consultation. Some locals and private developers backed the push for additional home supply, but it also generated a huge community outcry over a huge gap in infrastructure spending. Residents and local groups raised legitimate concerns that the unexpected influxes of new residents would overwhelm schools, water systems and public services. By the time it was officially finalised in April 2024, the political opposition had already attempted to obstruct the TOD State Environmental Planning Policy in parliament. Ultimately, the government had little choice but to compromise because of local resistance and infrastructure unpreparedness, which delayed the rezoning implementation for 19 of the 31 station precincts. The case points to the continuing struggle between the efficiency of state-level development and democratic planning at the local level to resolve the urban housing deficit. == Annotated List of Actors == {| class="wikitable" | valign="center" |'''Actor Type''' | valign="center" |'''Actor''' | valign="center" |'''Details''' |- | rowspan="2" valign="center" |'''Government''' | valign="center" |NSW Department of Planning, Housing and Infrastructure (DPHI) | valign="center" |Developing and implementing the TOD strategy and the new SEPP (State Environmental Planning Policy). To advocate for prioritising interaction with local authorities rather than directly engaging with communities in order to quickly advance the vast home construction ambitions. <ref name=":0">'''Parliament of New South Wales.''' (2024, October 15). ''Development of the Transport Oriented Development Program''. Portfolio Committee No. 7 - Planning and Environment. <nowiki>https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/lcdocs/inquiries/3035/Development%20of%20the%20TOD%20Program%20Report%20-%2015%20October%202024.pdf</nowiki></ref><ref name=":1">'''NSW Department of Planning, Housing and Infrastructure.''' (2023, December). ''Transport Oriented Development Program''. NSW Government. <nowiki>https://www.planning.nsw.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-12/transport-oriented-development-program.pdf</nowiki></ref> |- | valign="center" |Local governments | valign="center" |There is a general discontent with the centralised planning paradigm of the state government. It has been criticised for being implemented too quickly, with not enough local specifics and community participation, for existing infrastructure being unable to cope with the sudden population rise, and for forcing existing municipal restrictions to be overturned. <ref name=":0" /><ref name=":2">'''Parliament of New South Wales.''' (2024, June 5). ''Hansard: Legislative Council'' (Speech by Hon. Scott Farlow). <nowiki>https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/Hansard/Pages/HansardResult.aspx#/docid/'HANSARD-1820781676-95778</nowiki></ref> |- | rowspan="2" valign="center" |'''Infrastructure''' | valign="center" |Transport for NSW | valign="center" |Assess and identify sites to guarantee the transport network has the capacity to accommodate the 138,000 additional houses in the study region. Responsible for implementation of public transport infrastructure modifications to meet requirements of high density housing. <ref name=":3">'''NSW Department of Planning, Housing and Infrastructure.''' (2023, December). ''Transport Oriented Development Program''. NSW Government. <nowiki>https://www.planning.nsw.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-12/transport-oriented-development-program.pdf</nowiki></ref> |- | valign="center" |Sydney Water, Department of Education | valign="center" |Advising during site selection process, ensuring the schools and water/wastewater systems have capacity for population growth. <ref name=":0" /> |- | valign="center" |'''Industry''' | valign="center" |Property Council of Australia, Private Developers | valign="center" |They agree with the general direction of growing density, but are unhappy with being excluded from the policy making process, such as in the assessment of site selection. They are the group who are really building the houses and are concerned whether the development approval procedure can really be accelerated and in regard to the commercial feasibility of the projects. <ref name=":0" /> |- | valign="center" |'''Community''' | valign="center" |Local residents and activist groups | valign="center" |Some groups stress equity and affordability, believing transit-oriented development will aid low-income populations with housing and transportation. Current homeowners and other groups are very concerned that high-density development will reduce the quality of life in the area, affect housing prices, and displace the original residents. <ref name=":0" /><ref name=":3" /> |} == Timeline of Events == {| class="wikitable" !Time Period !Key Events |- |Early 2023 |At the beginning phase of TOD policy, this strategy was initially thought to be linked to the electoral pledges of the state government. The state government wanted to actively promote transit-oriented development to address the acute housing problem in New South Wales. <ref name=":0" /><ref name=":4">{{Cite news |date=2023-12-05 |title=Sydney suburbs targeted for high-density housing revealed in accidentally published list |language=en-AU |work=ABC News |url=https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-12-05/metro-west-high-population-housing-nsw-government-list/103191524 |access-date=2026-05-22}}</ref> |- |May 2023 |The New South Wales government started designing the TOD programme internally. This first round of site selection and planning was kept very confidential to avoid real estate developers from getting insider information, which may lead to speculation or even corruption in the market. <ref name=":0" /><ref name=":4" /> |- |Early December 2023 |The government’s best efforts at secrecy were undone by accident when a few secret documents involving TOD site selection were mistakenly uploaded to the Department of Planning and Hiring (DPHI) website. This information was rapidly taken up by the media, with major publications such as ABC News reporting on the leaked list of high-density residential buildings along the metro line on December 5th. <ref name=":0" /><ref name=":4" /> |- |7 December 2023 |The message sent the New South Wales government into disarray and pushed it to accelerate its initial release schedule and formally unveil the TOD programme in an effort to quash public and market speculation. <ref name=":0" /> The announcement set out specific goals for two key areas: Part 1: Boost development in eight important transport hubs with plans for 50,000 new houses over 15 years. Part 2: Introducing new zoning laws within 400 metres of 31 existing train stations to provide 138,000 additional houses over 15 years. <ref name=":1" /> |- |29 April 2024 |The new State Environmental Planning Policy (TOD SEPP) has finally been finalised after months of development and back and forth. This was the legal consequence of the new planning rules. But confronted with significant pushback from some local councils and a lack of supporting infrastructure, the government compromised. Only some of the 31 areas would immediately execute the policy while implementation in the remaining 19 regions was postponed. <ref name=":0" /> |- |June 5, 2024 |The policy met with opposition in the legislature. Shadow Planning Minister Scott Farlow gave a fiery address in the Legislative Council in an attempt to fast-track a bill to directly abolish the TOD SEPP. He argued the state government’s policy did not take local communities into account and did not provide enough money to enhance supporting infrastructure. However, the bill that sought to repeal the programme was eventually defeated in parliament. <ref name=":2" /> |- |October 15, 2024 |The parliamentary committee published a detailed report on the development of the TOD programme. The report unveiled the policy process’s internal contradictions, highlighting how industry giants such as the Property Council of Australia complained they were not consulted in the initial assessments, despite being the primary developers. Local councils also chipped in, calling the government’s top-down planning basic and the consultation process extremely rushed. <ref name=":0" /> |- |Late 2024 - Early 2025 |This stage is underway. Implementation of April delays to the zoning adjustments for the 19 TOD regions is underway. During this time, the state government will need to continue to navigate the complex tensions between local communities and local governments on YIMBY (pro-development) and NIMBY (anti-development).[1] |} == Locations == === Selection Criteria === All train stations within 30 minutes by rail of a metropolitan centre (Sydney CBD, Parramatta, Newcastle, Gosford, Wollongong) were considered for the program. They were assessed based on capacity for additional homes, capacity on the transport network, and existing land use. Areas with more government owned land and higher average lot sizes were favoured. Infrastructure capacity, disaster risks, and economic feasibility of development around shortlisted stations were analysed by an interagency expert panel. The final list of stations was approved by the Minister for Planning and Public Spaces. <ref>'''NSW Department of Planning, Housing and Infrastructure.''' (2024, March). ''Transport Oriented Development (TOD) Program - assessment criteria''. NSW Government. <nowiki>https://www.planning.nsw.gov.au/sites/default/files/2024-03/transport-oriented-development-program-assessment-criteria.pdf</nowiki></ref> === Tier 1 === Eight stations were selected for Tier 1 of the program as accelerated precincts. All are on existing and upcoming metro lines or close to major interchanges, highlighting the government’s priority of delivering homes with good access to the network. * Kellyville, Bella Vista, Macquarie Park, Crows Nest on the currently operating Metro Northwest and City (M1) line * Bankstown on the M1 extension opening in 2026 * Bays West on the Metro West opening in 2032 * Hornsby, a key transport interchange linking the T1 North Shore and T8 Northern lines * Homebush, adjacent to major interchange Strathfield and close to Metro West [[File:NSWTOD Tier1 Map.png|thumb|Stations included in Tier 1 of the NSW TOD plan]] === Tier 2 === A total of 31 stations were selected for Tier 2 of the TOD program, with zoning changes within 400 metres of each station. * Dulwich Hill, Marrickville, Canterbury, and Wiley Park, on the M1 extension opening in 2026 * North Strathfield, connecting the upcoming Metro West line and the T8 Northern line, and near the Homebush accelerated precinct * St Marys, connecting the upcoming Metro Airport line and the T1 Western line * Turrella, Rockdale, Banksia, and Kogarah, in South Sydney * Gordon, Killara, Lindfield, and Roseville, on the Upper North Shore * Croydon and Ashfield in the Inner West * Lidcombe and Berala in Cumberland [[File:NSWTOD Tier2 Map.png|thumb|Stations within Sydney included in Tier 2 of the NSW TOD plan]] Thirteen stations outside of Sydney were also selected: * Newcastle Interchange, Adamstown, Hamilton, Kotara, Teralba, Booragul, and Morisset in Greater Newcastle * Wyong, Tuggerah, and Gosford, in the Central Coast * North Wollongong, Corrimal, and Dapto in Illawarra-Shoalhaven These three metropolitan cities are projected to grow by 27% between 2021 and 2041, approximately the same rate as Greater Sydney. <ref>{{Cite web |date=2024-07-18 |title=Key findings |url=https://www.planning.nsw.gov.au/data-and-insights/population-projections/key-findings |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Planning |language=en}}</ref> [[File:NSWTOD Tier2 Map regions.png|thumb|Stations outside of Sydney included in Tier 2 of the NSW TOD plan]] == Policy Issues == The Transport-Oriented Development Program in New South Wales raises a number of interrelated policy issues. Although the program is framed as a solution to housing supply and affordability pressures, it also involves broader discussions regarding transport accessibility, planning governance, community consultation, infrastructure capacity, and environmental and heritage impacts. The key policy issues extend beyond whether New South Wales needs more housing located near public transport; they also concern how such housing should be planned, delivered, managed, and allocated. === Housing supply and affordability === A key reason for NSW TOD policy is the housing supply and affordability crisis. New South Wales has committed to delivering 377,000 new well-located homes by 2029 under the National Housing Agreement, which places pressure on the planning system to increase housing supply in accessible locations. By allowing high-density development around train and metro stations, TOD Program aims to provide more housing close to public transport, employment, and services. <ref>{{Cite web |date=2024-03-27 |title=Housing targets |url=https://www.planning.nsw.gov.au/policy-and-legislation/housing/housing-targets |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Planning |language=en}}</ref> However, an increase in housing supply does not automatically guarantee affordability. If most new housing is delivered as market-rate apartments, tenants and low-income families may still struggle to benefit from the policy. TOD planning regulations require that at least 2% of floor space be allocated to affordable housing, but this has sparked debate over whether the requirement is stringent enough to address the affordability crisis. Therefore, the issue of affordability is not only about the quantity of housing delivered, but also about who has access to it. <ref>{{Cite web |date=2026-04-24 |title=Transport Oriented Development |url=https://www.planning.nsw.gov.au/policy-and-legislation/housing/transport-oriented-development-program/transport-oriented-development |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Planning |language=en}}</ref> === Transport accessibility and genuine TOD === The second issue is whether the program can truly achieve transit-oriented development, rather than simply higher-density housing near stations. TOD typically combines public transportation, walkability, mixed-use development, local services, and reduced reliance on cars. The NSW program uses proximity to the station as the basis for planning reforms, particularly by defining fixed station catchment areas—such as the 400-meter radius used in many TOD locations. However, physical proximity to a station does not always mean good accessibility. Factors such as walking conditions, road barriers, station entrances, topography, bus connections, bicycle infrastructure, and service frequency all influence whether residents can realistically rely on public transportation. If these factors are not improved alongside housing density, the project may result in transit-proximate development rather than fully transit-oriented development. === Transparency of station selection === Another policy issue is transparency. The project identifies specific stations and areas for rezoning or new planning controls, but stakeholders may question how these locations were selected and whether the criteria were applied consistently. The NSW Government’s consultation material states that the process resulted in 37 TOD locations being taken forward, with some locations commencing from May 2024 and others being finalised later. <ref>Department of Planning, Housing and Infrastructure. “What we heard: Transport Oriented Development policy consultation”. ''NSW Planning''. Retrieved 2026-05-21. <nowiki>https://www.planning.nsw.gov.au/sites/default/files/2024-05/what-we-heard-tod-policy-consultation.pdf</nowiki></ref> The issue lies not only in which stations were selected, but also in whether the evidence behind these decisions is clear to local councils, residents, and other stakeholders. If the selection process is perceived as unclear, this can reduce trust in the policy and increase the likelihood of local opposition. === Community consultation and local participation === Consultation is one of the most contested issues in the TOD Program. Because the policy uses state-level planning controls to accelerate housing delivery, some local councils and residents argue that communities have had limited influence over the scale, timing and design of changes in their areas. From the state government’s perspective, accelerating planning reforms may be a necessary measure to address urgent housing pressures. However, from the perspective of local communities, rapid changes to zoning, height limits, and density controls may feel like they are being imposed from above. This creates a tension between speed of housing delivery and meaningful local participation. The policy therefore raises a governance question: how much local consultation should be required when the state is trying to meet broader housing targets? <ref name=":0" /> === Infrastructure capacity === The TOD Program has also raised concerns about whether existing infrastructure can support higher densities. While adding housing around stations may improve land-use efficiency, it also increases the demand for schools, parks, healthcare services, public facilities, roads, sidewalks, and public transportation capacity. This issue is especially important because TOD is not only about buildings. If population growth is not matched by infrastructure upgrades, local residents may face overcrowded services, pressure on open space, station congestion and increased local traffic. The NSW Government’s housing target framework emphasises that new homes should be well-located and supported by infrastructure capacity, which directly connects housing delivery with infrastructure planning. <ref>{{Cite web |date=2024-03-27 |title=Housing targets |url=https://www.planning.nsw.gov.au/policy-and-legislation/housing/housing-targets |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Planning |language=en}}</ref> === Environmental and heritage impacts === Higher-density development around stations may also create environmental and heritage concerns. Some TOD locations include established suburbs with tree canopy, heritage conservation areas, older housing stock and distinctive local character. Redevelopment may affect urban tree cover, deep soil areas, private gardens, streetscapes and heritage buildings. This does not mean TOD is necessarily environmentally negative. In principle, compact development near public transport can reduce urban sprawl and support lower car dependency. However, the environmental benefits of TOD depend on design quality, tree retention, open space provision, stormwater management and protection of heritage values. Therefore, the policy challenge lies in how to increase density without compromising the environmental and cultural characteristics that make a place livable. === Governance and local planning autonomy === A final major issue is governance. The TOD Program relies on state-level planning reform, including changes to the Housing SEPP and state-led rezoning, to enable faster housing delivery around transport nodes. This can make the planning system more consistent and reduce delays, but it also shifts some decision-making power away from local councils. This creates a conflict between state-wide housing objectives and local planning autonomy. The NSW Government is trying to respond to address the housing shortage at the metropolitan and state levels, while councils are concerned with local infrastructure, urban character, community preferences and implementation details. This governance tension is central to the case because it explains why the TOD Program has become politically contested, even among actors who may support more housing in principle. === Overall policy tension === Overall, the TOD Program integrates multiple competing objectives: increasing housing supply, improving transport accessibility, using existing infrastructure more efficiently, protecting local character, ensuring affordability, and maintaining democratic participation in planning. The main policy challenge is how NSW can deliver more well-located housing quickly while also ensuring that TOD areas remain liveable, accessible, affordable and supported by adequate infrastructure. == Narrative == === The Catalyst and Centralised Pivot === New South Wales has long faced a severe housing shortage and affordability crisis, compelling the state government to elevate housing to its top policy priority. For decades, Sydney's urban development has heavily relied on an outward-expanding "urban sprawl" model. This model has not only lengthened residents' daily commute times and increased household financial burdens but also triggered severe traffic congestion and environmental issues. To break this unsustainable growth trajectory, the NSW government turned its focus to Transit Oriented Development (TOD). The government's policy vision is to leverage existing infrastructure by concentrating new housing around public transport hubs, such as train and metro stations, to create walkable, "vibrant communities". Through this high-density development, residents can access supermarkets, restaurants, public open spaces, and employment opportunities within walking distance. This not only encourages active transport modes like walking and cycling but also attempts to mitigate climate change impacts by reducing reliance on private vehicles <ref name=":3" />. However, the state administration had to first get over significant institutional obstacles in order to actually carry out this TOD goal. Under the old planning system, municipal councils were principally responsible for approving land zoning and Development Applications (DAs). The development of high-density residential developments is usually very sluggish or regularly refused since local councils are generally under intense electoral pressure from the local populace. The NSW government decided that the conventional, bottom-up local planning system could no longer handle the requirement for quickly expanding supply in the face of an impending housing crisis. As a result, it implemented a hitherto unheard-of "centralised intervention" plan. By introducing a new "Chapter 5: Transport Oriented Development" to the highly legally obligatory ''State Environmental Planning Policy (Housing) 2021'' (Housing SEPP), the government directly reclaimed planning authority around key transportation hubs. This top-down policy design specifically requires that the state government's TOD planning controls take precedence over local councils' existing Local Environmental Plans (LEPs) when the development standards outlined in the SEPP (such as higher building heights and floor space ratios) conflict <ref name=":5">NSW Department of Planning, Housing and Infrastructure. (2024). ''Guidance to Transport Oriented Development''. NSW Government. <nowiki>https://www.planning.nsw.gov.au/sites/default/files/2024-05/guidance-to-transport-oriented-development.pdf</nowiki></ref>. The state government successfully deprived local councils of their authority to prevent high-density construction in certain designated zones through this forceful legislative reform, opening the door for later expedited approvals. === Executing the Dual-Track Strategy & Design Mandates === In order to reconcile macro-strategic reshaping with micro-infill development, the NSW government employed a structured "dual-track strategy" in the implementation of the TOD program. Part 1 focuses on 8 key "Accelerated Precincts" led by the state government, including Bankstown, Bays West, Bella Vista, Crows Nest, Homebush, Hornsby, Kellyville, and Macquarie Park. The government plans to conduct comprehensive state-led rezonings within a 1,200-metre radius of these selected train and metro stations, aiming to create a supply capacity of 47,800 new dwellings over the next 15 years. To completely break the administrative bottlenecks of approval cycles, this track introduced a new State Significant Development (SSD) assessment pathway: any residential project with a Capital Investment Value (CIV) exceeding $60 million will be directly transferred to a dedicated assessment team within the planning department for fast-tracking, with an internal government assessment target of under 90 days. Furthermore, to stimulate the market to release supply quickly, these SSD approvals are mandated with a limited 2-year lifespan, reflecting the government's "use it or lose it" ethos to accelerate construction <ref name=":1" />. In contrast, Part 2 implements a new SEPP amendment to promote mid-to-high-rise residential and mixed-use development within a 400-metre radius of another 31 train stations and town centres that already possess mature infrastructure, with an expected capacity to unlock 138,000 new homes over 15 years. Notably, this policy underwent subtle adjustments as it evolved from draft to final execution standards. In the initial strategic vision published in December 2023, the government proposed a blanket 3:1 Floor Space Ratio (FSR) and a 21-metre (approx. 6 storeys) building height control. However, in the ''Guidance to Transport Oriented Development'' officially released in May 2024, the final planning controls were pragmatically fine-tuned to a maximum FSR of 2.5:1, a maximum height limit of 22 metres for Residential Flat Buildings (RFBs), and 24 metres for Shop-Top Housing (STH). Simultaneously, minimum lot size restrictions were abolished, retaining only a 21-metre minimum lot width threshold. This standard possesses top-down overriding authority; as long as the planning controls in local councils' existing LEPs are lower than these levels, the NSW TOD SEPP standards will mandatorily prevail over local regulations <ref name=":5" />. Under this unprecedented pressure of development speed and density, "how to ensure development quality and avoid creating masses of poor-quality, high-density 'dormitory suburbs'" became a core focus of policy design. In response, the policy established multiple design balancing mechanisms. First, the government heavily promoted a "Pattern Book" initiative, endorsed by the Government Architect NSW, which provides a set of high-quality residential design templates suitable for low- and mid-rise (up to 6 storeys) buildings. Developers who voluntarily choose to adopt these endorsed design blueprints gain access to accelerated approval pathways, exempting them from traditional design competition processes. This reflects the government's attempt at the policy level to trade standardisation for approval efficiency. However, the industry has widely expressed concerns about the risk of "cookie-cutter development" leading to highly homogenised architectural styles across various transport hubs <ref name=":1" />. Second, to safeguard community liveability and local identity in high-density environments, the policy strengthened technical thresholds for spatial design. All new projects must strictly adhere to the core principles in the ''Apartment Design Guide'' (ADG), with specific emphasis on building separations, setbacks, vehicle access, visual privacy, and communal open space. For residential flat building developments in local centres (e.g., E1 zones), the TOD policy specifically introduced a mandatory control under "Section 160: Active street frontages". This clause requires the ground floor of buildings to utilise diverse spatial uses (such as ground-floor retail, cafes, or live/work apartments) and appropriate lighting design to completely eliminate blank, lifeless solid walls, thereby ensuring pedestrian convenience and commercial vibrancy in street-level public spaces <ref name=":5" />. Finally, addressing the long-standing intense conflict in Sydney's urban planning between "high-density development vs. heritage protection", the policy adopted a conditional compromise. On one hand, the TOD planning controls mitigate risk by explicitly stating they do not apply to land containing any State Heritage Register listed items, local heritage items, Aboriginal objects, or archaeological sites. These sensitive parcels will continue to be protected by the original ''Heritage Act'' and local planning standards. On the other hand, the policy permits high-density development within Heritage Conservation Areas (HCAs). This means that while standalone historic buildings within the conservation area cannot be demolished, infill construction of new apartment buildings is allowed in their vicinity. To counterbalance the risk of destroying the community's historic character, applicants must submit a detailed Heritage Impact Statement (HIS), and local councils, as the consent authority, must still conduct a strict merit-based assessment under "Clause 5.10 (Heritage Conservation)" of the LEP to ensure the new building is compatible with the existing historic streetscape in terms of bulk, scale, setbacks, and materials. This mechanism forces approval authorities to strike a dual psychological balance: acknowledging and accepting the trend of the area transitioning to high-density residential over time while strictly guarding against irreversible harm to the core historic values of the conservation area <ref name=":5" />. === Market Realities and Feasibility Constraints === Although the NSW government granted significant FSR uplifts and relaxed height limits at the planning level via the TOD SEPP, "zoned capacity" does not equate to "feasible capacity" in commercial terms. As the policy was gradually rolled out between 2024 and 2025, its on-paper planning dividends immediately encountered the dual challenges of macroeconomic headwinds and micro-design constraints. First, the core pain point facing developers was the disconnect between the policy's physical control metrics and financial returns. The Urban Development Institute of Australia (UDIA NSW) noted in its mid-2024 feasibility analysis that under the prevailing economic environment of high borrowing costs, severe labour shortages, and tight supply chains, the TOD SEPP's ability to actually deliver new housing in the short term was extremely limited <ref>Urban Development Institute of Australia (UDIA) NSW. (2024). ''Making TODs Work''.</ref>. The Property Council of Australia (PCA), one of the policy's initial advocates, also publicly criticised the final planning controls for "falling short on their potential". The PCA explicitly pointed out that capping building heights at 22-24 metres (approx. 6 storeys) was fundamentally insufficient to underpin the commercial viability of the next wave of housing construction, noting that the industry had firmly demanded the height limits be doubled to ensure project profitability. Furthermore, developers found that when layered with the ADG's stringent building setbacks and separation requirements, projects often could not fully "max out" the 2.5:1 FSR in real-world design, leading to drastically shrunken expected returns. <ref name=":6">{{Cite web |last=Mirage News |first= |title=TOD SEPP Welcomed, But Full Potential Yet Unrealized |url=https://www.miragenews.com/tod-sepp-welcomed-but-full-potential-yet-1223963/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Mirage News |language=en-AU}}</ref> Secondly, developers' already narrow profit margins were further pressured by statutory social responsibility duties. The industry saw the policy's permanent affordable housing quotas and the recently implemented "Housing and Productivity Contributions" as significant financial burdens. The government's "feasibility assertions" about these additional taxes and fees were sharply criticised by the industry advocacy group Urban Taskforce for having no genuine basis. They cautioned that these imposed costs will immediately destroy the bottom line of many projects in the absence of substantial FSR uplift commensurate with the costs. <ref>Urban Taskforce NSW. (2024). ''Submission on TOD SEPP Proposed Pathway Changes''.</ref> Additionally, the PCA expressed grave concerns over the 2-year "use it or lose it" approval timeframe imposed on the 8 Accelerated Precincts in Track 1, deeming it highly impractical in the current construction market <ref name=":6" />. By late 2024, an assessment report by major urban consultancy Urbis confirmed the industry's anxieties. Urbis pointed out that because many sites failed to receive development uplifts commensurate with new cost obligations, they simply lacked financial viability for development in the near term. Faced with an unprofitable landscape, many developers did not break ground immediately as the government had anticipated; instead, they opted for "land banking", significantly undermining the speed of housing delivery in the early stages of the TOD program <ref>{{Cite web |title=From promise to progress: NSW delivers on accelerated TOD precincts |url=https://urbis.com.au/perspectives/from-promise-to-progress-nsw-delivers-on-accelerated-tod-precincts |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=urbis.com.au |language=en}}</ref>. === The Equity Illusion: Gentrification and Displacement === Although the NSW TOD program showed tremendous political will to increase the supply of housing overall, its institutional architecture with regard to socioeconomic justice has come under heavy social and academic criticism. The policy's fundamental social contract, which requires new residential projects in TOD areas with a total gross floor area of more than 2,000 square metres to provide at least 2% permanent affordable housing, is generally seen as an insufficient compromise that is far from enough to counteract the gentrification shock brought on by extensive rezoning. As the areas surrounding stations were granted higher FSRs and development value, the transfer of land ownership and development rights accelerated sharply. Shelter NSW, an independent housing advocacy organisation in NSW, issued a stern warning: the accelerated rollout of the policy means that a large volume of existing, naturally occurring low-cost housing (such as older apartments and terraces) will be acquired and demolished en masse by developers, to be replaced by new mid-to-high-rise apartments charging premium rents" to cover high construction costs <ref>Shelter NSW. (2024). ''Letter to DPHI regarding Low-and-Mid-Rise Housing''.</ref>. In this cycle of "demolishing the old to build the new", a mere 2% of new affordable housing cannot compensate for the absolute number of cheap rentals lost to demolition. This "purely market-driven" supply expansion, which lacks strong rent controls or a significant amount of social housing to offset it, directly results in a cruel equity paradox: the low-income renters and essential workers who most depend on public transportation are, on the other hand, completely priced out of these prime resource areas where the state is making significant investments in transportation upgrades due to skyrocketing living costs and rents <ref>Shelter NSW. (2024). ''Submission to the Parliamentary Inquiry into Essential Worker Housing''.</ref>. The structural displacement of vulnerable groups by gentrification, particularly Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples, has also raised high alarm among local governments. For instance, the City of Sydney's assessment report clearly noted that Aboriginal communities already suffer long-standing disadvantages in housing resources due to historical legacies <ref>City of Sydney. (2024). ''Delivery Program 2022-2026: Annual Progress Report 2023-24''.</ref>. If the state government does not implement strong, compensatory interventions against the surging land prices around TOD hubs, Aboriginal people face a massive risk of being further evicted from core urban communities. This not only deepens intergenerational trauma but also directly contradicts the inclusive goals originally set by the policy. Moreover, the current community fabric is being subtly changed by a high-density development strategy that is only motivated by market profit. According to research, if this "Vertical Villages" regeneration concept lacks mechanisms for deep cultural engagement with the local community, newly arrived high-income, middle-class customer networks will quickly displace affordable local companies. This subtly exacerbates social segregation in NSW cities by depriving low-income people of their right to appear in physical locations and mentally causing them to lose their initial sense of community identity <ref>Faith Housing Alliance. (2022). ''Vertical Villages: Community, Place and Urban Density''.</ref>. === Backlash, Compromise, and Adjustment === When it comes to the intricate realities of implementation, any "top-down" radical planning change would unavoidably face strong opposition from local authorities. A clear example of a political struggle between "centralised coercion" and "pragmatic compromise" may be seen in the development of the NSW TOD policy between 2024 and 2026. The most high-profile conflict erupted in mid-2024 in the affluent North Shore communities. Local governments, spearheaded by the Ku-ring-gai Council, launched a fierce legal resistance against the state-imposed TOD SEPP. Ku-ring-gai Council pointed out that within the 400-metre radius of the four stations designated in its municipality (Gordon, Killara, Lindfield, Roseville), up to 40% of the land belonged to Heritage Conservation Areas (HCAs) or contained protected ecological tree canopies. Arguing that the state government's "one-size-fits-all" density targets would completely devastate the local historic character and ecological environment, the Council formally filed a lawsuit in the NSW Land and Environment Court in May 2024, seeking to overturn the TOD plan <ref>Ku-ring-gai Council. (2024). ''Submission no. 159 to the inquiry into the development of the Transport Oriented Development Program''. Parliament of New South Wales.</ref>. Faced with a protracted legal battle and potential political backlash, the state government eventually opted for a compromise. Under the court's mediation mechanism, the state government agreed that if the local council could produce an "Alternative Plan" matching (or exceeding) the total housing numbers of the TOD SEPP, it could be exempt from the state-wide SEPP controls. In November 2025, the state government officially approved Ku-ring-gai's Alternative Plan. By concentrating super-high-rise buildings (up to 28 storeys) around the core commercial areas of the train stations to meet the government's housing targets, the plan successfully preserved 69% of the heritage buildings and protected trees on the periphery <ref>{{Cite web |title=Transport Oriented Development (TOD) |url=https://www.krg.nsw.gov.au/Planning-and-development/Changes-to-NSW-Government-housing-policy/Transport-Oriented-Development-TOD |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.krg.nsw.gov.au |language=en-AU}}</ref>. The final settlement of this lawsuit marked a pivotal shift in the TOD policy from absolute mandatory enforcement to pragmatic negotiation between the state and local democracies, pioneering a new model that allows "local customisation" while upholding aggregate targets. Beyond compromises in power dynamics, the policy also underwent substantive fine-tuning regarding its supporting funds and social equity metrics during implementation. Responding to widespread earlier criticism regarding "severely lagging infrastructure", the state government finally fulfilled its financial commitments in early 2026. On 23 February 2026, the NSW government officially opened applications for the first round of "TOD Community Infrastructure Grants". An initial $220 million in dedicated funding was explicitly allocated for road upgrades, bicycle lanes, public shade facilities, and park construction within the Accelerated Precincts <ref>{{Cite journal |last=Premier's Department |first= |date=2026-02-23 |title=New parks and infrastructure in the pipeline for Transport Oriented Development Accelerated Precincts {{!}} NSW Government |url=https://www.nsw.gov.au/ministerial-releases/new-parks-and-infrastructure-pipeline-for-transport-oriented-development-accelerated-precincts |journal= |language=en-AU}}</ref>. This demonstrated the government's attempt to physically safeguard the liveability of new communities before the population density tangibly surged. Concurrently, in the realm of social equity, the government introduced more targeted interventions. According to the National Planning Reform Blueprint progress report released in March 2025, with the finalisation of the master plans for the 7 Accelerated Precincts (excluding Bays West), the government raised the baseline threshold for permanent affordable housing in these areas from the 2% stipulated in the SEPP to 3%. Even more groundbreaking was that on certain high-value "key sites" that had undergone feasibility testing, the government forcibly pushed this ratio up to 18% <ref>The Treasury. (2025). ''National Planning Reform Blueprint – NSW progress report March 2025''. Australian Government.</ref>. This approach of significantly increasing affordable housing quotas on prime sites reflected the government's attempt at precise balancing and course correction between developer profits and social equity in the face of gentrification critiques. == Discussion Questions == Should planning decisions about housing be made by state or local government? What are the possible issues with high density housing? How can the government ensure this is “density done well”? How can NSW balance the need for more housing near stations with the protection of heritage buildings, conservation areas and local character? How can we prevent all the transit housing hubs from being exactly the same while the government encourages the use of a standard pattern book? == References == {{BookCat}} 29xxk7kpo2rqwwpz65k5mgvvjon3n3x 0 483474 4637032 2026-05-22T16:24:16Z Rdut0780 3592125 Main Page 4637032 wikitext text/x-wiki == Summary == [[File:Cable Street cycle superhighway.jpg|thumb|Barclays Cycle Superhighway 3, Cable Street, London]] London’s Bicycle Superhighways were a cycling infrastructure programme introduced by Transport for London (TfL) and the Mayor of London. The programme created direct, clearly identifiable cycle routes between outer London and central London, with an initial focus on commuter journeys. The routes were branded as “Cycle Superhighways” and used consistent markings and signage to make cycling routes more recognisable within London’s road system. <ref name=":0">{{Cite web |last=Transport for London {{!}} Every Journey Matters |title=Cycleways |url=https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/cycling/routes-and-maps/cycleways |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Transport for London |language=en-GB}}</ref><ref name=":1">{{Citation |title=Gilligan, Andrew Paul, (born 22 Nov. 1968), London Editor, Telegraph Media Group, since 2009; Cycling Commissioner for London, Greater London Authority, since 2013 |date=2014-12-01 |url=https://doi.org/10.1093/ww/9780199540884.013.u264084 |work=Who's Who |access-date=2026-05-22 |publisher=Oxford University Press}}</ref> The programme was implemented in stages. Early routes used blue road markings and other on-road treatments, but the design approach was criticised for providing limited physical separation from motor traffic. Evidence submitted to the UK Parliament’s Transport Committee in 2013 recorded concerns about narrow sections, unclear junctions and cyclists being placed close to fast-moving vehicles.<ref name=":2">{{Cite web |title=CYS0087 - Evidence on Cycling safety |url=https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/47159/html/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=committees.parliament.uk}}</ref> A significant policy change followed the publication of the Mayor’s Vision for Cycling in London in 2013. The document proposed an expanded cycling network, including a largely segregated east-west route through central London described as a “Crossrail for the bike”. The policy linked cycling with congestion, health, emissions, road safety and the design of public streets. <ref name=":1" /> [[File:Cycle superhighway 6 at Blackfriars.jpg|thumb|Cycle Superhighway 6 at Blackfriars]] TfL later adopted the broader term “Cycleways” for high-quality cycle routes. Former Cycle Superhighways and Quietways are being incorporated into this network. The current Cycleways programme is intended to connect communities, businesses and destinations across London, with TfL aiming for the cycle network to be within reach of 40% of Londoners by 2030. The development of the programme can be described in three broad phases: early radial commuter routes, later segregated central London routes, and subsequent integration into the Cycleways network. Its implementation involved policy debates about safety, road-space allocation, traffic impacts, borough coordination and accessibility. <ref name=":3">{{Cite web |title=_14053 |url=https://doi.org/10.5270/esa-ig2n1sb |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=_14053}}</ref> == Annotated List of Actors == {| class="wikitable" |'''Actor''' |'''Type''' |'''Interests, Concerns, and Issues''' |- |'''Transport for London (TfL)''' |Transport authority | valign="top" |TfL’s interest was to deliver a recognizable cycling network that supported the Mayor’s transport objectives while keeping London’s road network operating. Its concerns included route design, safety outcomes, construction impacts, traffic capacity, bus operations, consultation responses and scheme costs. TfL also had to manage the transition from the original Cycle Superhighways brand into the broader Cycleways network.<ref name=":0" /> |- |'''Mayor of London''' |Political authority | valign="top" |The Mayor’s office was interested in using cycling policy to support wider city objectives, including reduced congestion, improved public health, lower emissions, safer streets and better use of limited road space. Its concerns included political support, public acceptance and whether the programme could show that cycling was a serious part of London’s transport system rather than a minor road-marking scheme.<ref name=":1" /> |- |'''Boris Johnson''' |Mayor of London, 2008–2016 | valign="top" |Boris Johnson’s role was central because the Superhighways were launched and expanded during his mayoralty. His interest was to present cycling as a visible and ambitious transport policy for London. The main issue for his administration was moving from the early blue-painted routes to a more credible segregated network, including the east-west route described as 'Crossrail for the bike'.<ref name=":4">{{Cite web |date=4 February 2015 |title=Final plans for Mayor's "Crossrail for Bikes" approved |url=https://tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/press-releases/2015/february/final-plans-for-mayor-s-crossrail-for-bikes-approved |url-status=live}}</ref> |- |'''London borough councils''' |Local government / highway authorities | valign="top" |Borough councils were interested in how the routes affected local streets, residents, businesses, parking, loading, bus stops and local access. Their concerns were practical as well as political: some schemes required local consultation, changes to kerbs and junctions, and potential reductions in road space for other users. Their cooperation was important because delivery could be slowed or changed by local objections.<ref name=":3" /> |- |'''Cyclists and cycling advocacy groups''' |Users / pressure groups | valign="top" |Cyclists and advocacy groups were interested in routes that were continuous, direct and safe enough for a wider range of users, not only confident commuters. Their concerns focused on the early reliance on painted lanes, unsafe junctions, lack of physical protection and conflicts with buses or heavy vehicles. Their criticism helped push the programme toward better segregation and stronger design standards.<ref name=":2" /> |} == Timeline of Events == {| class="wikitable" |'''Year / Date''' |'''Event''' |Notes |- |'''July 2010''' |First two pilot routes, CS3 and CS7, opened.<ref>{{Cite journal |last=Li |first=Haojie |last2=Ding |first2=Hongliang |last3=Ren |first3=Gang |last4=Xu |first4=Chengcheng |date=2018-05-01 |title=Effects of the London Cycle Superhighways on the usage of the London Cycle Hire |url=https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0965856417312569 |journal=Transportation Research Part A: Policy and Practice |volume=111 |pages=304–315 |doi=10.1016/j.tra.2018.03.020 |issn=0965-8564}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |date=2012 |title=Barclays Cycle Superhighways: Evaluation of Pilot Routes 3 and 7 |url=https://www.mobilservice.ch/admin/data/files/news_section_file/file/3063/transport-of-london-barclays-cylce-superhighways-.pdf |url-status=live}}</ref> |Start of London’s Cycle Superhighways programme. |- |'''July 2011''' |CS2 and CS8 opened.<ref name=":3" /> |Expansion of the pilot network to four main routes. |- |'''2010–2012''' |Early routes used blue-painted lanes and limited segregation.<ref>{{Cite web |date=2018 |title=Evolution of cycle superhighways in London |url=https://vb.nweurope.eu/projects/project-search/cycle-highways-innovation-for-smarter-people-transport-and-spatial-planning/news/evolution-of-cycle-superhighways-in-london/ |url-status=live}}</ref> |Early design approach associated with criticism of “paint only” routes. |- |'''March 2013''' |Mayor’s Vision for Cycling in London was published.<ref name=":1" /> |Policy shift toward a larger and safer cycling network. |- |'''2013''' |The Vision proposed a segregated east-west route called “Crossrail for the bike.”<ref name=":1" /> |Cycling infrastructure framed as major transport infrastructure. |- |'''2013–2014''' |TfL developed the cycling investment programme after the Mayor’s Vision.<ref>{{Cite web |date=2 March 2016 |title=Cycling Vision Portfolio |url=https://tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms/documents/fpc-160302-09-cycling-vision.pdf |url-status=live}}</ref> |Policy vision developed into an investment and delivery programme. |- |'''January 2015''' |Final plans for the east-west “Crossrail for the Bike” were announced.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Mayor announces final build plans for “Crossrail for the Bike” {{!}} London City Hall |url=https://www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/mayoral/crossrail-for-the-bike |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.london.gov.uk |language=en-gb}}</ref> |Continuous kerb-segregated cycling provision confirmed for the route. |- |'''February 2015''' |TfL approved major east-west and north-south Cycle Superhighway schemes.<ref name=":4" /> |Approval of the more ambitious segregated phase. |- |'''April 2016''' |First phase of CS6 opened across Blackfriars Bridge.<ref name=":5">{{Cite web |date=20 September 2018 |title=GLA - Major new Cycle Superhighway extension opens |url=https://tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/press-releases/2018/september/gla---major-new-cycle-superhighway-extension-opens}}</ref> |Creation of a key north-south central London cycling route. |- |'''2016''' |Central east-west route opened through central London.<ref name=":5" /> |Delivery of part of the “Crossrail for the bike” proposal. |- |'''September 2018''' |CS6 was extended from Elephant & Castle to King’s Cross.<ref name=":5" /> |Extension of the protected north-south corridor. |- |'''2018 onwards''' |TfL moved away from separate “Superhighway” and “Quietway” branding.<ref name=":0" /> |Former Superhighway and Quietway branding began to be absorbed into Cycleways. |- |'''2023''' |Former CS3 was rebranded as Cycleway 3 / C3.<ref name=":0" /> |Former Cycle Superhighway route incorporated into Cycleways branding. |- |'''June 2024''' |TfL launched ten new Cycleways across London.<ref name=":0" /> |Continuation of the programme under the Cycleways model. |} == Maps of Locations == [[File:London Overground map sb.svg|thumb|530x530px|East-West Cycle Superhighway / “Crossrail for the bike”]] The map shows the east west route associated with the 2013 Mayor’s Vision for Cycling and the “Crossrail for the bike” proposal. The route represented a move from mainly painted routes toward a more continuous and protected cycle corridor through central London. == Policy Issues == London’s Bicycle Superhighways raised policy issues relating to safety, road space, street design, local governance and the operation of a congested urban transport network. The programme affected cyclists, pedestrians, buses, taxis, freight, private cars, local businesses and residents because it changed how limited street space was allocated. Road-space reallocation was one of the main policy issues. Later segregated Superhighways required physical space rather than only road markings. In practice, this could involve changes to traffic lanes, parking, loading areas, bus movements or junction layouts. TfL’s 2015 board paper considered the schemes alongside traffic management, bus priority and the wider performance of London’s road network. Safety was also central to the programme. Early routes were criticised for relying on blue-painted lanes rather than protected cycle tracks. This created a contrast between the “Superhighway” branding and the on-street conditions experienced by some users. Evidence submitted to the UK Parliament’s Transport Committee referred to the limited provision of segregated cycling infrastructure in London compared with Dutch practice. Perceived safety formed part of the same debate. TfL’s evidence on segregated cycling infrastructure identifies safety and the feeling of safety as factors affecting whether Londoners cycle, or cycle more often. Routes that remain close to buses, trucks and fast traffic may be less attractive to less confident users, even where a marked cycle route is present. The programme also raised questions about the distinction between route branding and transport infrastructure. Early Superhighways used blue surfacing and signage to create a visible cycling identity, while later proposals placed greater emphasis on physical separation, continuity and network quality. The 2013 Mayor’s Vision for Cycling described the proposed east-west route as a “Crossrail for the bike”, placing cycling infrastructure within a wider transport-planning framework. Congestion and traffic management were recurring policy concerns. London’s roads carry buses, cars, taxis, delivery vehicles, pedestrians and cyclists within limited space. Segregated cycle lanes can affect traffic capacity, turning movements, bus stops and journey times. TfL therefore assessed the schemes in relation to both cycling objectives and the operation of the wider road network. Governance was another issue because London’s streets are managed by different authorities. TfL controls major roads, while borough councils control many local streets and have roles in planning, consultation and local traffic management. Delivery of the Superhighways therefore depended on mayoral policy, TfL design work and cooperation with boroughs, residents, businesses and other stakeholders. Equity and access were also part of the policy discussion. The original Superhighways were mostly radial routes aimed at commuting into central London. These corridors served an important travel market, but they did not provide a complete network for all trip types, including local trips, school trips, shopping trips or orbital journeys in outer London. The later Cycleways approach broadened the network concept beyond the original commuter-corridor model. Pedestrian and accessibility issues were also relevant. Protected cycle lanes can reduce conflict with motor traffic, but they must also be designed for pedestrians, bus passengers and people using mobility aids. Features such as bus stop bypasses, floating bus stops and altered crossings can raise accessibility concerns for blind or partially sighted people if not designed carefully. Policy continuity and branding changed over time. The programme began with Cycle Superhighways, later operated alongside Quietways, and was then incorporated into the wider Cycleways network. The change in terminology reflected TfL’s move toward a broader network identity for high-quality cycling routes. The principal policy debates around the Superhighways concerned the role of cycling within a dense and congested city. Issues included safety, road space allocation, traffic impacts, local opposition, accessibility, equity and long-term network planning. The programme formed part of a broader shift in London’s approach to cycling infrastructure. == Detailed Narrative of the Case == London’s Bicycle Superhighways were introduced to give cycling a clearer role within the city’s transport system. Before the programme, cycling in London generally operated within streets designed mainly for cars, buses, taxis and freight. The Superhighways introduced direct and recognisable routes for people cycling into and across London, particularly commuters travelling between outer London and central London. The first stage began in July 2010, when two pilot routes opened: Cycle Superhighway 3 (CS3) from Barking to Tower Gateway, and Cycle Superhighway 7 (CS7) from Merton to the City. They were launched around the same period as London’s cycle hire scheme. The routes used strong branding, including bright blue road surfacing, to identify the cycle corridor and make it more visible to other road users. The early routes were mainly commuter corridors connecting outer London with central employment areas. They were not designed primarily as local neighbourhood routes. The programme linked cycling with wider transport-capacity objectives, including reducing pressure on roads and public transport while supporting health and environmental policy goals. In 2011, two more routes, CS2 and CS8, were added, bringing the early network to four main corridors. TfL’s later material recorded that the first two routes opened in July 2010 and the second pair opened in July 2011. The same material reported increases in cycling trips after the routes opened and also acknowledged criticism from campaigners about limited physical separation between cyclists and motor traffic. Criticism of the early routes became a major feature of the programme. The Superhighways were visually clear, but many sections relied on blue paint, signs, on-road lanes or shared bus-and-cycle lanes rather than protected tracks. A European review of cycle highways described the early London approach as a relatively low-cost method for improving the readability of existing infrastructure, while noting criticism that it was essentially “paint only”. The term “Cycle Superhighway” suggested a high-quality, continuous and safe route. On some sections, however, riders remained close to fast traffic, buses and heavy vehicles. Junctions were a particular source of conflict where cyclists encountered turning traffic. The early phase therefore became associated with debate over the difference between visible route marking and physical protection. A major policy response came in 2013 with the publication of The Mayor’s Vision for Cycling in London. The document proposed a larger and more ambitious network, including a fast and largely segregated east-west route through central London described as a “Crossrail for the bike”. The proposed route was intended to run for at least 15 miles through the heart of London, connecting the western suburbs with Canary Wharf and Barking. The “Crossrail for the bike” phrase compared cycling infrastructure with major rail investment and presented cycling as a strategic transport corridor rather than a minor addition to the road network. This marked a shift away from the early blue-painted model toward physical separation, continuity and network quality. After the 2013 vision, TfL developed a wider cycling investment programme. The Superhighways operated alongside other cycling initiatives, including Quietways and Mini-Hollands in selected boroughs. TfL’s cycling portfolio documents identified the Mayor’s Vision as a key background document and linked the programme to delivery and monitoring objectives. The next major stage came in 2015, when TfL considered and approved major new Cycle Superhighway schemes, including the east-west and north-south routes through central London. The February 2015 TfL board paper stated that four Superhighway routes had already been completed and acknowledged criticism that they lacked physical separation from traffic. The later schemes therefore expanded the network while responding to earlier design criticisms. The 2015 proposals required reallocation of road space in central London. Segregated cycle tracks need physical width, and in dense urban streets that width can affect general traffic lanes, parking, loading areas or other road functions. The proposals attracted support from cycling and active-travel advocates as well as opposition from some road users and businesses. The east-west route became the most prominent example of the newer aproach. It translated the 2013 vision into a route through central London, connecting areas such as Tower Gateway, Westminster, Hyde Park and locations further west. The route was planned as a direct, legible and connected cycling corridor across the central city. The north-south route, including Cycle Superhighway 6 (CS6), also became a major example of the later Superhighway model. The first phase across Blackfriars opened in 2016, and the extension from Elephant & Castle to King’s Cross opened in 2018. TfL described the extension as including segregated cycle track, new pedestrian crossings and junction improvements. The Superhighways remained controversial because they altered established patterns of road use. Supporters presented protected cycling routes as measures for improving safety, public health, emissions and alternatives to car travel and crowded public transport. Critics and opponents raised concerns about traffic delays, effects on buses and taxis, delivery access, local business disruption, construction impacts and changes to street layouts. The governance of the programme involved several levels of authority. TfL had a central role, but it did not control every street in London. Borough councils control many local roads and operate within their own political and consultation processes. Delivery therefore required coordination between the Mayor, TfL, borough councils, residents, businesses and other stakeholders. Equity was another issue. The original Superhighways were strongly focused on commuting into central London. While this served a significant travel market, it did not create a complete cycling network for local trips, school trips, shopping trips or orbital journeys across outer London. This limitation contributed to the later shift toward the broader Cycleways network. The identity of the programme changed over time. TfL now uses the broader term Cycleways for high-quality cycling routes and states that former Cycle Superhighways and Quietways are being rebranded under that name. The original Superhighways were therefore incorporated into a wider network concept rather than remaining as a separate brand. The development of the London Bicycle Superhighways can be divided into three stages: the early use of branding and blue surfacing, the later introduction of more protected and continuous central London routes, and the incorporation of these routes into the wider Cycleways programme. The programme was shaped by debates over safety, street-space allocation and the relationship between cycling and other transport modes. The programme formed part of a broader change in London’s transport planning, in which cycling was increasingly treated as part of the city’s transport network rather than as a marginal or optional mode. The Superhighways were contested and varied in design quality, but they contributed to the development of more connected and protected cycling infrastructure in London. nkiod22c7tcxe56tw0z8cpv12lk7uho 4637033 4637032 2026-05-22T16:25:17Z Rdut0780 3592125 Minor Changes 4637033 wikitext text/x-wiki == Summary == [[File:Cable Street cycle superhighway.jpg|thumb|Barclays Cycle Superhighway 3, Cable Street, London]] London’s Bicycle Superhighways were a cycling infrastructure programme introduced by Transport for London (TfL) and the Mayor of London. The programme created direct, clearly identifiable cycle routes between outer London and central London, with an initial focus on commuter journeys. The routes were branded as “Cycle Superhighways” and used consistent markings and signage to make cycling routes more recognisable within London’s road system. <ref name=":0">{{Cite web |last=Transport for London {{!}} Every Journey Matters |title=Cycleways |url=https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/cycling/routes-and-maps/cycleways |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Transport for London |language=en-GB}}</ref><ref name=":1">{{Citation |title=Gilligan, Andrew Paul, (born 22 Nov. 1968), London Editor, Telegraph Media Group, since 2009; Cycling Commissioner for London, Greater London Authority, since 2013 |date=2014-12-01 |url=https://doi.org/10.1093/ww/9780199540884.013.u264084 |work=Who's Who |access-date=2026-05-22 |publisher=Oxford University Press}}</ref> The programme was implemented in stages. Early routes used blue road markings and other on-road treatments, but the design approach was criticised for providing limited physical separation from motor traffic. Evidence submitted to the UK Parliament’s Transport Committee in 2013 recorded concerns about narrow sections, unclear junctions and cyclists being placed close to fast-moving vehicles.<ref name=":2">{{Cite web |title=CYS0087 - Evidence on Cycling safety |url=https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/47159/html/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=committees.parliament.uk}}</ref> A significant policy change followed the publication of the Mayor’s Vision for Cycling in London in 2013. The document proposed an expanded cycling network, including a largely segregated east-west route through central London described as a “Crossrail for the bike”. The policy linked cycling with congestion, health, emissions, road safety and the design of public streets. <ref name=":1" /> [[File:Cycle superhighway 6 at Blackfriars.jpg|thumb|Cycle Superhighway 6 at Blackfriars]] TfL later adopted the broader term “Cycleways” for high-quality cycle routes. Former Cycle Superhighways and Quietways are being incorporated into this network. The current Cycleways programme is intended to connect communities, businesses and destinations across London, with TfL aiming for the cycle network to be within reach of 40% of Londoners by 2030. The development of the programme can be described in three broad phases: early radial commuter routes, later segregated central London routes, and subsequent integration into the Cycleways network. Its implementation involved policy debates about safety, road-space allocation, traffic impacts, borough coordination and accessibility. <ref name=":3">{{Cite web |title=_14053 |url=https://doi.org/10.5270/esa-ig2n1sb |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=_14053}}</ref> == Annotated List of Actors == {| class="wikitable" |'''Actor''' |'''Type''' |'''Interests, Concerns, and Issues''' |- |'''Transport for London (TfL)''' |Transport authority | valign="top" |TfL’s interest was to deliver a recognizable cycling network that supported the Mayor’s transport objectives while keeping London’s road network operating. Its concerns included route design, safety outcomes, construction impacts, traffic capacity, bus operations, consultation responses and scheme costs. TfL also had to manage the transition from the original Cycle Superhighways brand into the broader Cycleways network.<ref name=":0" /> |- |'''Mayor of London''' |Political authority | valign="top" |The Mayor’s office was interested in using cycling policy to support wider city objectives, including reduced congestion, improved public health, lower emissions, safer streets and better use of limited road space. Its concerns included political support, public acceptance and whether the programme could show that cycling was a serious part of London’s transport system rather than a minor road-marking scheme.<ref name=":1" /> |- |'''Boris Johnson''' |Mayor of London, 2008–2016 | valign="top" |Boris Johnson’s role was central because the Superhighways were launched and expanded during his mayoralty. His interest was to present cycling as a visible and ambitious transport policy for London. The main issue for his administration was moving from the early blue-painted routes to a more credible segregated network, including the east-west route described as 'Crossrail for the bike'.<ref name=":4">{{Cite web |date=4 February 2015 |title=Final plans for Mayor's "Crossrail for Bikes" approved |url=https://tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/press-releases/2015/february/final-plans-for-mayor-s-crossrail-for-bikes-approved |url-status=live}}</ref> |- |'''London borough councils''' |Local government / highway authorities | valign="top" |Borough councils were interested in how the routes affected local streets, residents, businesses, parking, loading, bus stops and local access. Their concerns were practical as well as political: some schemes required local consultation, changes to kerbs and junctions, and potential reductions in road space for other users. Their cooperation was important because delivery could be slowed or changed by local objections.<ref name=":3" /> |- |'''Cyclists and cycling advocacy groups''' |Users / pressure groups | valign="top" |Cyclists and advocacy groups were interested in routes that were continuous, direct and safe enough for a wider range of users, not only confident commuters. Their concerns focused on the early reliance on painted lanes, unsafe junctions, lack of physical protection and conflicts with buses or heavy vehicles. Their criticism helped push the programme toward better segregation and stronger design standards.<ref name=":2" /> |} == Timeline of Events == {| class="wikitable" |'''Year / Date''' |'''Event''' |Notes |- |'''July 2010''' |First two pilot routes, CS3 and CS7, opened.<ref>{{Cite journal |last=Li |first=Haojie |last2=Ding |first2=Hongliang |last3=Ren |first3=Gang |last4=Xu |first4=Chengcheng |date=2018-05-01 |title=Effects of the London Cycle Superhighways on the usage of the London Cycle Hire |url=https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0965856417312569 |journal=Transportation Research Part A: Policy and Practice |volume=111 |pages=304–315 |doi=10.1016/j.tra.2018.03.020 |issn=0965-8564}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |date=2012 |title=Barclays Cycle Superhighways: Evaluation of Pilot Routes 3 and 7 |url=https://www.mobilservice.ch/admin/data/files/news_section_file/file/3063/transport-of-london-barclays-cylce-superhighways-.pdf |url-status=live}}</ref> |Start of London’s Cycle Superhighways programme. |- |'''July 2011''' |CS2 and CS8 opened.<ref name=":3" /> |Expansion of the pilot network to four main routes. |- |'''2010–2012''' |Early routes used blue-painted lanes and limited segregation.<ref>{{Cite web |date=2018 |title=Evolution of cycle superhighways in London |url=https://vb.nweurope.eu/projects/project-search/cycle-highways-innovation-for-smarter-people-transport-and-spatial-planning/news/evolution-of-cycle-superhighways-in-london/ |url-status=live}}</ref> |Early design approach associated with criticism of “paint only” routes. |- |'''March 2013''' |Mayor’s Vision for Cycling in London was published.<ref name=":1" /> |Policy shift toward a larger and safer cycling network. |- |'''2013''' |The Vision proposed a segregated east-west route called “Crossrail for the bike.”<ref name=":1" /> |Cycling infrastructure framed as major transport infrastructure. |- |'''2013–2014''' |TfL developed the cycling investment programme after the Mayor’s Vision.<ref>{{Cite web |date=2 March 2016 |title=Cycling Vision Portfolio |url=https://tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms/documents/fpc-160302-09-cycling-vision.pdf |url-status=live}}</ref> |Policy vision developed into an investment and delivery programme. |- |'''January 2015''' |Final plans for the east-west “Crossrail for the Bike” were announced.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Mayor announces final build plans for “Crossrail for the Bike” {{!}} London City Hall |url=https://www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/mayoral/crossrail-for-the-bike |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.london.gov.uk |language=en-gb}}</ref> |Continuous kerb-segregated cycling provision confirmed for the route. |- |'''February 2015''' |TfL approved major east-west and north-south Cycle Superhighway schemes.<ref name=":4" /> |Approval of the more ambitious segregated phase. |- |'''April 2016''' |First phase of CS6 opened across Blackfriars Bridge.<ref name=":5">{{Cite web |date=20 September 2018 |title=GLA - Major new Cycle Superhighway extension opens |url=https://tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/press-releases/2018/september/gla---major-new-cycle-superhighway-extension-opens}}</ref> |Creation of a key north-south central London cycling route. |- |'''2016''' |Central east-west route opened through central London.<ref name=":5" /> |Delivery of part of the “Crossrail for the bike” proposal. |- |'''September 2018''' |CS6 was extended from Elephant & Castle to King’s Cross.<ref name=":5" /> |Extension of the protected north-south corridor. |- |'''2018 onwards''' |TfL moved away from separate “Superhighway” and “Quietway” branding.<ref name=":0" /> |Former Superhighway and Quietway branding began to be absorbed into Cycleways. |- |'''2023''' |Former CS3 was rebranded as Cycleway 3 / C3.<ref name=":0" /> |Former Cycle Superhighway route incorporated into Cycleways branding. |- |'''June 2024''' |TfL launched ten new Cycleways across London.<ref name=":0" /> |Continuation of the programme under the Cycleways model. |} == Maps of Locations == [[File:London Overground map sb.svg|thumb|530x530px|East-West Cycle Superhighway / “Crossrail for the bike”]] The map shows the east west route associated with the 2013 Mayor’s Vision for Cycling and the “Crossrail for the bike” proposal. The route represented a move from mainly painted routes toward a more continuous and protected cycle corridor through central London. == Policy Issues == London’s Bicycle Superhighways raised policy issues relating to safety, road space, street design, local governance and the operation of a congested urban transport network. The programme affected cyclists, pedestrians, buses, taxis, freight, private cars, local businesses and residents because it changed how limited street space was allocated. Road-space reallocation was one of the main policy issues. Later segregated Superhighways required physical space rather than only road markings. In practice, this could involve changes to traffic lanes, parking, loading areas, bus movements or junction layouts. TfL’s 2015 board paper considered the schemes alongside traffic management, bus priority and the wider performance of London’s road network. Safety was also central to the programme. Early routes were criticised for relying on blue-painted lanes rather than protected cycle tracks. This created a contrast between the “Superhighway” branding and the on-street conditions experienced by some users. Evidence submitted to the UK Parliament’s Transport Committee referred to the limited provision of segregated cycling infrastructure in London compared with Dutch practice. Perceived safety formed part of the same debate. TfL’s evidence on segregated cycling infrastructure identifies safety and the feeling of safety as factors affecting whether Londoners cycle, or cycle more often. Routes that remain close to buses, trucks and fast traffic may be less attractive to less confident users, even where a marked cycle route is present. The programme also raised questions about the distinction between route branding and transport infrastructure. Early Superhighways used blue surfacing and signage to create a visible cycling identity, while later proposals placed greater emphasis on physical separation, continuity and network quality. The 2013 Mayor’s Vision for Cycling described the proposed east-west route as a “Crossrail for the bike”, placing cycling infrastructure within a wider transport-planning framework. Congestion and traffic management were recurring policy concerns. London’s roads carry buses, cars, taxis, delivery vehicles, pedestrians and cyclists within limited space. Segregated cycle lanes can affect traffic capacity, turning movements, bus stops and journey times. TfL therefore assessed the schemes in relation to both cycling objectives and the operation of the wider road network. Governance was another issue because London’s streets are managed by different authorities. TfL controls major roads, while borough councils control many local streets and have roles in planning, consultation and local traffic management. Delivery of the Superhighways therefore depended on mayoral policy, TfL design work and cooperation with boroughs, residents, businesses and other stakeholders. Equity and access were also part of the policy discussion. The original Superhighways were mostly radial routes aimed at commuting into central London. These corridors served an important travel market, but they did not provide a complete network for all trip types, including local trips, school trips, shopping trips or orbital journeys in outer London. The later Cycleways approach broadened the network concept beyond the original commuter-corridor model. Pedestrian and accessibility issues were also relevant. Protected cycle lanes can reduce conflict with motor traffic, but they must also be designed for pedestrians, bus passengers and people using mobility aids. Features such as bus stop bypasses, floating bus stops and altered crossings can raise accessibility concerns for blind or partially sighted people if not designed carefully. Policy continuity and branding changed over time. The programme began with Cycle Superhighways, later operated alongside Quietways, and was then incorporated into the wider Cycleways network. The change in terminology reflected TfL’s move toward a broader network identity for high-quality cycling routes. The principal policy debates around the Superhighways concerned the role of cycling within a dense and congested city. Issues included safety, road space allocation, traffic impacts, local opposition, accessibility, equity and long-term network planning. The programme formed part of a broader shift in London’s approach to cycling infrastructure. == Detailed Narrative of the Case == London’s Bicycle Superhighways were introduced to give cycling a clearer role within the city’s transport system. Before the programme, cycling in London generally operated within streets designed mainly for cars, buses, taxis and freight. The Superhighways introduced direct and recognisable routes for people cycling into and across London, particularly commuters travelling between outer London and central London. The first stage began in July 2010, when two pilot routes opened: Cycle Superhighway 3 (CS3) from Barking to Tower Gateway, and Cycle Superhighway 7 (CS7) from Merton to the City. They were launched around the same period as London’s cycle hire scheme. The routes used strong branding, including bright blue road surfacing, to identify the cycle corridor and make it more visible to other road users. The early routes were mainly commuter corridors connecting outer London with central employment areas. They were not designed primarily as local neighbourhood routes. The programme linked cycling with wider transport-capacity objectives, including reducing pressure on roads and public transport while supporting health and environmental policy goals. In 2011, two more routes, CS2 and CS8, were added, bringing the early network to four main corridors. TfL’s later material recorded that the first two routes opened in July 2010 and the second pair opened in July 2011. The same material reported increases in cycling trips after the routes opened and also acknowledged criticism from campaigners about limited physical separation between cyclists and motor traffic. Criticism of the early routes became a major feature of the programme. The Superhighways were visually clear, but many sections relied on blue paint, signs, on-road lanes or shared bus-and-cycle lanes rather than protected tracks. A European review of cycle highways described the early London approach as a relatively low-cost method for improving the readability of existing infrastructure, while noting criticism that it was essentially “paint only”. The term “Cycle Superhighway” suggested a high-quality, continuous and safe route. On some sections, however, riders remained close to fast traffic, buses and heavy vehicles. Junctions were a particular source of conflict where cyclists encountered turning traffic. The early phase therefore became associated with debate over the difference between visible route marking and physical protection. A major policy response came in 2013 with the publication of The Mayor’s Vision for Cycling in London. The document proposed a larger and more ambitious network, including a fast and largely segregated east-west route through central London described as a “Crossrail for the bike”. The proposed route was intended to run for at least 15 miles through the heart of London, connecting the western suburbs with Canary Wharf and Barking. The “Crossrail for the bike” phrase compared cycling infrastructure with major rail investment and presented cycling as a strategic transport corridor rather than a minor addition to the road network. This marked a shift away from the early blue-painted model toward physical separation, continuity and network quality. After the 2013 vision, TfL developed a wider cycling investment programme. The Superhighways operated alongside other cycling initiatives, including Quietways and Mini-Hollands in selected boroughs. TfL’s cycling portfolio documents identified the Mayor’s Vision as a key background document and linked the programme to delivery and monitoring objectives. The next major stage came in 2015, when TfL considered and approved major new Cycle Superhighway schemes, including the east-west and north-south routes through central London. The February 2015 TfL board paper stated that four Superhighway routes had already been completed and acknowledged criticism that they lacked physical separation from traffic. The later schemes therefore expanded the network while responding to earlier design criticisms. The 2015 proposals required reallocation of road space in central London. Segregated cycle tracks need physical width, and in dense urban streets that width can affect general traffic lanes, parking, loading areas or other road functions. The proposals attracted support from cycling and active-travel advocates as well as opposition from some road users and businesses. The east-west route became the most prominent example of the newer aproach. It translated the 2013 vision into a route through central London, connecting areas such as Tower Gateway, Westminster, Hyde Park and locations further west. The route was planned as a direct, legible and connected cycling corridor across the central city. The north-south route, including Cycle Superhighway 6 (CS6), also became a major example of the later Superhighway model. The first phase across Blackfriars opened in 2016, and the extension from Elephant & Castle to King’s Cross opened in 2018. TfL described the extension as including segregated cycle track, new pedestrian crossings and junction improvements. The Superhighways remained controversial because they altered established patterns of road use. Supporters presented protected cycling routes as measures for improving safety, public health, emissions and alternatives to car travel and crowded public transport. Critics and opponents raised concerns about traffic delays, effects on buses and taxis, delivery access, local business disruption, construction impacts and changes to street layouts. The governance of the programme involved several levels of authority. TfL had a central role, but it did not control every street in London. Borough councils control many local roads and operate within their own political and consultation processes. Delivery therefore required coordination between the Mayor, TfL, borough councils, residents, businesses and other stakeholders. Equity was another issue. The original Superhighways were strongly focused on commuting into central London. While this served a significant travel market, it did not create a complete cycling network for local trips, school trips, shopping trips or orbital journeys across outer London. This limitation contributed to the later shift toward the broader Cycleways network. The identity of the programme changed over time. TfL now uses the broader term Cycleways for high-quality cycling routes and states that former Cycle Superhighways and Quietways are being rebranded under that name. The original Superhighways were therefore incorporated into a wider network concept rather than remaining as a separate brand. The development of the London Bicycle Superhighways can be divided into three stages: the early use of branding and blue surfacing, the later introduction of more protected and continuous central London routes, and the incorporation of these routes into the wider Cycleways programme. The programme was shaped by debates over safety, street-space allocation and the relationship between cycling and other transport modes. The programme formed part of a broader change in London’s transport planning, in which cycling was increasingly treated as part of the city’s transport network rather than as a marginal or optional mode. The Superhighways were contested and varied in design quality, but they contributed to the development of more connected and protected cycling infrastructure in London. == Notes and references == ryrvlntzkzhd0mdsi7y1xux60i8p0oj 4637108 4637033 2026-05-23T02:16:05Z MathXplore 3097823 Added {{[[Template:BookCat|BookCat]]}} using [[User:1234qwer1234qwer4/BookCat.js|BookCat.js]] 4637108 wikitext text/x-wiki == Summary == [[File:Cable Street cycle superhighway.jpg|thumb|Barclays Cycle Superhighway 3, Cable Street, London]] London’s Bicycle Superhighways were a cycling infrastructure programme introduced by Transport for London (TfL) and the Mayor of London. The programme created direct, clearly identifiable cycle routes between outer London and central London, with an initial focus on commuter journeys. The routes were branded as “Cycle Superhighways” and used consistent markings and signage to make cycling routes more recognisable within London’s road system. <ref name=":0">{{Cite web |last=Transport for London {{!}} Every Journey Matters |title=Cycleways |url=https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/cycling/routes-and-maps/cycleways |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=Transport for London |language=en-GB}}</ref><ref name=":1">{{Citation |title=Gilligan, Andrew Paul, (born 22 Nov. 1968), London Editor, Telegraph Media Group, since 2009; Cycling Commissioner for London, Greater London Authority, since 2013 |date=2014-12-01 |url=https://doi.org/10.1093/ww/9780199540884.013.u264084 |work=Who's Who |access-date=2026-05-22 |publisher=Oxford University Press}}</ref> The programme was implemented in stages. Early routes used blue road markings and other on-road treatments, but the design approach was criticised for providing limited physical separation from motor traffic. Evidence submitted to the UK Parliament’s Transport Committee in 2013 recorded concerns about narrow sections, unclear junctions and cyclists being placed close to fast-moving vehicles.<ref name=":2">{{Cite web |title=CYS0087 - Evidence on Cycling safety |url=https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/47159/html/ |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=committees.parliament.uk}}</ref> A significant policy change followed the publication of the Mayor’s Vision for Cycling in London in 2013. The document proposed an expanded cycling network, including a largely segregated east-west route through central London described as a “Crossrail for the bike”. The policy linked cycling with congestion, health, emissions, road safety and the design of public streets. <ref name=":1" /> [[File:Cycle superhighway 6 at Blackfriars.jpg|thumb|Cycle Superhighway 6 at Blackfriars]] TfL later adopted the broader term “Cycleways” for high-quality cycle routes. Former Cycle Superhighways and Quietways are being incorporated into this network. The current Cycleways programme is intended to connect communities, businesses and destinations across London, with TfL aiming for the cycle network to be within reach of 40% of Londoners by 2030. The development of the programme can be described in three broad phases: early radial commuter routes, later segregated central London routes, and subsequent integration into the Cycleways network. Its implementation involved policy debates about safety, road-space allocation, traffic impacts, borough coordination and accessibility. <ref name=":3">{{Cite web |title=_14053 |url=https://doi.org/10.5270/esa-ig2n1sb |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=_14053}}</ref> == Annotated List of Actors == {| class="wikitable" |'''Actor''' |'''Type''' |'''Interests, Concerns, and Issues''' |- |'''Transport for London (TfL)''' |Transport authority | valign="top" |TfL’s interest was to deliver a recognizable cycling network that supported the Mayor’s transport objectives while keeping London’s road network operating. Its concerns included route design, safety outcomes, construction impacts, traffic capacity, bus operations, consultation responses and scheme costs. TfL also had to manage the transition from the original Cycle Superhighways brand into the broader Cycleways network.<ref name=":0" /> |- |'''Mayor of London''' |Political authority | valign="top" |The Mayor’s office was interested in using cycling policy to support wider city objectives, including reduced congestion, improved public health, lower emissions, safer streets and better use of limited road space. Its concerns included political support, public acceptance and whether the programme could show that cycling was a serious part of London’s transport system rather than a minor road-marking scheme.<ref name=":1" /> |- |'''Boris Johnson''' |Mayor of London, 2008–2016 | valign="top" |Boris Johnson’s role was central because the Superhighways were launched and expanded during his mayoralty. His interest was to present cycling as a visible and ambitious transport policy for London. The main issue for his administration was moving from the early blue-painted routes to a more credible segregated network, including the east-west route described as 'Crossrail for the bike'.<ref name=":4">{{Cite web |date=4 February 2015 |title=Final plans for Mayor's "Crossrail for Bikes" approved |url=https://tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/press-releases/2015/february/final-plans-for-mayor-s-crossrail-for-bikes-approved |url-status=live}}</ref> |- |'''London borough councils''' |Local government / highway authorities | valign="top" |Borough councils were interested in how the routes affected local streets, residents, businesses, parking, loading, bus stops and local access. Their concerns were practical as well as political: some schemes required local consultation, changes to kerbs and junctions, and potential reductions in road space for other users. Their cooperation was important because delivery could be slowed or changed by local objections.<ref name=":3" /> |- |'''Cyclists and cycling advocacy groups''' |Users / pressure groups | valign="top" |Cyclists and advocacy groups were interested in routes that were continuous, direct and safe enough for a wider range of users, not only confident commuters. Their concerns focused on the early reliance on painted lanes, unsafe junctions, lack of physical protection and conflicts with buses or heavy vehicles. Their criticism helped push the programme toward better segregation and stronger design standards.<ref name=":2" /> |} == Timeline of Events == {| class="wikitable" |'''Year / Date''' |'''Event''' |Notes |- |'''July 2010''' |First two pilot routes, CS3 and CS7, opened.<ref>{{Cite journal |last=Li |first=Haojie |last2=Ding |first2=Hongliang |last3=Ren |first3=Gang |last4=Xu |first4=Chengcheng |date=2018-05-01 |title=Effects of the London Cycle Superhighways on the usage of the London Cycle Hire |url=https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0965856417312569 |journal=Transportation Research Part A: Policy and Practice |volume=111 |pages=304–315 |doi=10.1016/j.tra.2018.03.020 |issn=0965-8564}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |date=2012 |title=Barclays Cycle Superhighways: Evaluation of Pilot Routes 3 and 7 |url=https://www.mobilservice.ch/admin/data/files/news_section_file/file/3063/transport-of-london-barclays-cylce-superhighways-.pdf |url-status=live}}</ref> |Start of London’s Cycle Superhighways programme. |- |'''July 2011''' |CS2 and CS8 opened.<ref name=":3" /> |Expansion of the pilot network to four main routes. |- |'''2010–2012''' |Early routes used blue-painted lanes and limited segregation.<ref>{{Cite web |date=2018 |title=Evolution of cycle superhighways in London |url=https://vb.nweurope.eu/projects/project-search/cycle-highways-innovation-for-smarter-people-transport-and-spatial-planning/news/evolution-of-cycle-superhighways-in-london/ |url-status=live}}</ref> |Early design approach associated with criticism of “paint only” routes. |- |'''March 2013''' |Mayor’s Vision for Cycling in London was published.<ref name=":1" /> |Policy shift toward a larger and safer cycling network. |- |'''2013''' |The Vision proposed a segregated east-west route called “Crossrail for the bike.”<ref name=":1" /> |Cycling infrastructure framed as major transport infrastructure. |- |'''2013–2014''' |TfL developed the cycling investment programme after the Mayor’s Vision.<ref>{{Cite web |date=2 March 2016 |title=Cycling Vision Portfolio |url=https://tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms/documents/fpc-160302-09-cycling-vision.pdf |url-status=live}}</ref> |Policy vision developed into an investment and delivery programme. |- |'''January 2015''' |Final plans for the east-west “Crossrail for the Bike” were announced.<ref>{{Cite web |title=Mayor announces final build plans for “Crossrail for the Bike” {{!}} London City Hall |url=https://www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/mayoral/crossrail-for-the-bike |access-date=2026-05-22 |website=www.london.gov.uk |language=en-gb}}</ref> |Continuous kerb-segregated cycling provision confirmed for the route. |- |'''February 2015''' |TfL approved major east-west and north-south Cycle Superhighway schemes.<ref name=":4" /> |Approval of the more ambitious segregated phase. |- |'''April 2016''' |First phase of CS6 opened across Blackfriars Bridge.<ref name=":5">{{Cite web |date=20 September 2018 |title=GLA - Major new Cycle Superhighway extension opens |url=https://tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/press-releases/2018/september/gla---major-new-cycle-superhighway-extension-opens}}</ref> |Creation of a key north-south central London cycling route. |- |'''2016''' |Central east-west route opened through central London.<ref name=":5" /> |Delivery of part of the “Crossrail for the bike” proposal. |- |'''September 2018''' |CS6 was extended from Elephant & Castle to King’s Cross.<ref name=":5" /> |Extension of the protected north-south corridor. |- |'''2018 onwards''' |TfL moved away from separate “Superhighway” and “Quietway” branding.<ref name=":0" /> |Former Superhighway and Quietway branding began to be absorbed into Cycleways. |- |'''2023''' |Former CS3 was rebranded as Cycleway 3 / C3.<ref name=":0" /> |Former Cycle Superhighway route incorporated into Cycleways branding. |- |'''June 2024''' |TfL launched ten new Cycleways across London.<ref name=":0" /> |Continuation of the programme under the Cycleways model. |} == Maps of Locations == [[File:London Overground map sb.svg|thumb|530x530px|East-West Cycle Superhighway / “Crossrail for the bike”]] The map shows the east west route associated with the 2013 Mayor’s Vision for Cycling and the “Crossrail for the bike” proposal. The route represented a move from mainly painted routes toward a more continuous and protected cycle corridor through central London. == Policy Issues == London’s Bicycle Superhighways raised policy issues relating to safety, road space, street design, local governance and the operation of a congested urban transport network. The programme affected cyclists, pedestrians, buses, taxis, freight, private cars, local businesses and residents because it changed how limited street space was allocated. Road-space reallocation was one of the main policy issues. Later segregated Superhighways required physical space rather than only road markings. In practice, this could involve changes to traffic lanes, parking, loading areas, bus movements or junction layouts. TfL’s 2015 board paper considered the schemes alongside traffic management, bus priority and the wider performance of London’s road network. Safety was also central to the programme. Early routes were criticised for relying on blue-painted lanes rather than protected cycle tracks. This created a contrast between the “Superhighway” branding and the on-street conditions experienced by some users. Evidence submitted to the UK Parliament’s Transport Committee referred to the limited provision of segregated cycling infrastructure in London compared with Dutch practice. Perceived safety formed part of the same debate. TfL’s evidence on segregated cycling infrastructure identifies safety and the feeling of safety as factors affecting whether Londoners cycle, or cycle more often. Routes that remain close to buses, trucks and fast traffic may be less attractive to less confident users, even where a marked cycle route is present. The programme also raised questions about the distinction between route branding and transport infrastructure. Early Superhighways used blue surfacing and signage to create a visible cycling identity, while later proposals placed greater emphasis on physical separation, continuity and network quality. The 2013 Mayor’s Vision for Cycling described the proposed east-west route as a “Crossrail for the bike”, placing cycling infrastructure within a wider transport-planning framework. Congestion and traffic management were recurring policy concerns. London’s roads carry buses, cars, taxis, delivery vehicles, pedestrians and cyclists within limited space. Segregated cycle lanes can affect traffic capacity, turning movements, bus stops and journey times. TfL therefore assessed the schemes in relation to both cycling objectives and the operation of the wider road network. Governance was another issue because London’s streets are managed by different authorities. TfL controls major roads, while borough councils control many local streets and have roles in planning, consultation and local traffic management. Delivery of the Superhighways therefore depended on mayoral policy, TfL design work and cooperation with boroughs, residents, businesses and other stakeholders. Equity and access were also part of the policy discussion. The original Superhighways were mostly radial routes aimed at commuting into central London. These corridors served an important travel market, but they did not provide a complete network for all trip types, including local trips, school trips, shopping trips or orbital journeys in outer London. The later Cycleways approach broadened the network concept beyond the original commuter-corridor model. Pedestrian and accessibility issues were also relevant. Protected cycle lanes can reduce conflict with motor traffic, but they must also be designed for pedestrians, bus passengers and people using mobility aids. Features such as bus stop bypasses, floating bus stops and altered crossings can raise accessibility concerns for blind or partially sighted people if not designed carefully. Policy continuity and branding changed over time. The programme began with Cycle Superhighways, later operated alongside Quietways, and was then incorporated into the wider Cycleways network. The change in terminology reflected TfL’s move toward a broader network identity for high-quality cycling routes. The principal policy debates around the Superhighways concerned the role of cycling within a dense and congested city. Issues included safety, road space allocation, traffic impacts, local opposition, accessibility, equity and long-term network planning. The programme formed part of a broader shift in London’s approach to cycling infrastructure. == Detailed Narrative of the Case == London’s Bicycle Superhighways were introduced to give cycling a clearer role within the city’s transport system. Before the programme, cycling in London generally operated within streets designed mainly for cars, buses, taxis and freight. The Superhighways introduced direct and recognisable routes for people cycling into and across London, particularly commuters travelling between outer London and central London. The first stage began in July 2010, when two pilot routes opened: Cycle Superhighway 3 (CS3) from Barking to Tower Gateway, and Cycle Superhighway 7 (CS7) from Merton to the City. They were launched around the same period as London’s cycle hire scheme. The routes used strong branding, including bright blue road surfacing, to identify the cycle corridor and make it more visible to other road users. The early routes were mainly commuter corridors connecting outer London with central employment areas. They were not designed primarily as local neighbourhood routes. The programme linked cycling with wider transport-capacity objectives, including reducing pressure on roads and public transport while supporting health and environmental policy goals. In 2011, two more routes, CS2 and CS8, were added, bringing the early network to four main corridors. TfL’s later material recorded that the first two routes opened in July 2010 and the second pair opened in July 2011. The same material reported increases in cycling trips after the routes opened and also acknowledged criticism from campaigners about limited physical separation between cyclists and motor traffic. Criticism of the early routes became a major feature of the programme. The Superhighways were visually clear, but many sections relied on blue paint, signs, on-road lanes or shared bus-and-cycle lanes rather than protected tracks. A European review of cycle highways described the early London approach as a relatively low-cost method for improving the readability of existing infrastructure, while noting criticism that it was essentially “paint only”. The term “Cycle Superhighway” suggested a high-quality, continuous and safe route. On some sections, however, riders remained close to fast traffic, buses and heavy vehicles. Junctions were a particular source of conflict where cyclists encountered turning traffic. The early phase therefore became associated with debate over the difference between visible route marking and physical protection. A major policy response came in 2013 with the publication of The Mayor’s Vision for Cycling in London. The document proposed a larger and more ambitious network, including a fast and largely segregated east-west route through central London described as a “Crossrail for the bike”. The proposed route was intended to run for at least 15 miles through the heart of London, connecting the western suburbs with Canary Wharf and Barking. The “Crossrail for the bike” phrase compared cycling infrastructure with major rail investment and presented cycling as a strategic transport corridor rather than a minor addition to the road network. This marked a shift away from the early blue-painted model toward physical separation, continuity and network quality. After the 2013 vision, TfL developed a wider cycling investment programme. The Superhighways operated alongside other cycling initiatives, including Quietways and Mini-Hollands in selected boroughs. TfL’s cycling portfolio documents identified the Mayor’s Vision as a key background document and linked the programme to delivery and monitoring objectives. The next major stage came in 2015, when TfL considered and approved major new Cycle Superhighway schemes, including the east-west and north-south routes through central London. The February 2015 TfL board paper stated that four Superhighway routes had already been completed and acknowledged criticism that they lacked physical separation from traffic. The later schemes therefore expanded the network while responding to earlier design criticisms. The 2015 proposals required reallocation of road space in central London. Segregated cycle tracks need physical width, and in dense urban streets that width can affect general traffic lanes, parking, loading areas or other road functions. The proposals attracted support from cycling and active-travel advocates as well as opposition from some road users and businesses. The east-west route became the most prominent example of the newer aproach. It translated the 2013 vision into a route through central London, connecting areas such as Tower Gateway, Westminster, Hyde Park and locations further west. The route was planned as a direct, legible and connected cycling corridor across the central city. The north-south route, including Cycle Superhighway 6 (CS6), also became a major example of the later Superhighway model. The first phase across Blackfriars opened in 2016, and the extension from Elephant & Castle to King’s Cross opened in 2018. TfL described the extension as including segregated cycle track, new pedestrian crossings and junction improvements. The Superhighways remained controversial because they altered established patterns of road use. Supporters presented protected cycling routes as measures for improving safety, public health, emissions and alternatives to car travel and crowded public transport. Critics and opponents raised concerns about traffic delays, effects on buses and taxis, delivery access, local business disruption, construction impacts and changes to street layouts. The governance of the programme involved several levels of authority. TfL had a central role, but it did not control every street in London. Borough councils control many local roads and operate within their own political and consultation processes. Delivery therefore required coordination between the Mayor, TfL, borough councils, residents, businesses and other stakeholders. Equity was another issue. The original Superhighways were strongly focused on commuting into central London. While this served a significant travel market, it did not create a complete cycling network for local trips, school trips, shopping trips or orbital journeys across outer London. This limitation contributed to the later shift toward the broader Cycleways network. The identity of the programme changed over time. TfL now uses the broader term Cycleways for high-quality cycling routes and states that former Cycle Superhighways and Quietways are being rebranded under that name. The original Superhighways were therefore incorporated into a wider network concept rather than remaining as a separate brand. The development of the London Bicycle Superhighways can be divided into three stages: the early use of branding and blue surfacing, the later introduction of more protected and continuous central London routes, and the incorporation of these routes into the wider Cycleways programme. The programme was shaped by debates over safety, street-space allocation and the relationship between cycling and other transport modes. The programme formed part of a broader change in London’s transport planning, in which cycling was increasingly treated as part of the city’s transport network rather than as a marginal or optional mode. The Superhighways were contested and varied in design quality, but they contributed to the development of more connected and protected cycling infrastructure in London. == Notes and references == {{BookCat}} 0b6wojhgu9wybq766i4mxqpnbfh2iew 3 483475 4637034 2026-05-22T16:34:00Z Kittycataclysm 3371989 /* Welcome to the Cookbook */ new section 4637034 wikitext text/x-wiki == Welcome to the Cookbook == {{mbox | type = | image = [[File:Foodlogo2.svg|40px]] | imageright = | style = | textstyle = | text = Hello and thank you for your recent contribution to the [[Cookbook:Table of Contents|Wikibooks Cookbook]]! When adding to the Cookbook, please make sure all content conforms to [[Cookbook:Policy|Cookbook policy]], including the [[Cookbook:Manual of Style|manual of style]] and standard page templates. 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font-size: 400%;">'''Z''' is for '''Z'''ebra</div> [[File:Cape Mountain Zebra (Equus zebra zebra) (32204331504).jpg|500px|center]] 6abvawudjy1mf4wpdjvf02qw0f5korw 0 483503 4637085 2026-05-22T19:44:42Z LodestarChariot2 3138880 Created new chapter in the book. 4637085 wikitext text/x-wiki == Open Access == <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Kember, Sarah, and Amy Brand. 2023. “The Corporate Capture of Open-Access Publishing.” ''The Chronicle of Higher Education'', August 16. https://www.chronicle.com/article/the-corporate-capture-of-open-access-publishing. ''' </div> Kember and Brand highlight that open access policies adopted to increase availability of publicly funded research “may unintentionally contribute to greater consolidation in academic publishing” by encouraging commercial publishers to “value quantity over quality and platforms over people”. Kember and Brand use the history of “corporate capture” as a guide, referencing the development of self-archiving practices into a “neoliberal framework” of “openness at any cost”. Open-access reforms which targeted academic publishing as a “monolithic… bad actor” enabled this by hurting small actors more than major commercial entities, which exploited their vulnerability. Since then, the largest publishers have initiated hybrid subscription models to charge more overall, or “Read-and-Publish” deals that are increasingly expensive, decimate shrinking library budgets, and reinforce inequities in authorship. Kember and Brand argue this process was driven by ignorance, error, and the ideology of “immediate interest”, where short term gains are prioritized. The neoliberal idea that “information wants to be free” is similarly “subjugating all values to those of the market”, as open-access policy “inherits a utopia and risks delivering a dystopia” by making vast amounts of linked data readily accessible to third parties. The answer lies in a network of non-profit, fair-profit, and international organisations, which could turn the “false promise of openness into truly public knowledge.” <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Luth, Eric. 2025. “The Use of Wikipedia, Wikimedia, and Open Access Content for Artificial Intelligence and Text and Data Mining.” ''Stockholm IP Law Review'' 6 (1): 109–138. DOI: https://doi.org/10.53292/33313cc8.be33e111''' </div> Luth examines how Digital Commons stakeholders, such as Wikimedia influence the development of AI models trained on Creative Commons (CC) licensed content. He argues that while these resources are essential for AI training, AI developers’ compliance with license conditions is often uncertain, and some AI developers may bypass legal requirements. Luth highlights two strategies: using CC licenses to protect shared knowledge and collaborating to sustain the ecosystem of open access. By combining these approaches, stakeholders can support high-quality AI outputs while preserving the integrity of the Digital Commons. The article emphasizes that AI’s reliance on shared resources carries ethical and practical responsibilities and shows how open licensing can enhance the reliability and social value of AI. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Pooley, Jefferson. 2024. "Large Language Publishing: The Scholarly Publishing Oligopoly's Bet on AI." ''KULA: Knowledge Creation, Dissemination, and Preservation Studies'' 7 (1): 1–11. DOI: https://doi.org/10.18357/kula.291''' </div> Pooley begins with the Microsoft–OpenAI vs. New York Times clash to show how both journalism and scholarly publishing are positioning themselves to charge AI firms for using their content. He notes, however, that journalism and academic publishing differ fundamentally: news organizations pay their writers, while scholarly publishers rely on research produced for free by academics or funded by taxpayers. Pooley criticizes commercial publishers for framing AI companies as “free-riders” even though those publishers themselves profit from vast unpaid scholarly labor. To clarify, the author uses the notion of "surveillance capitalism” (using behavioral data to “feed predictive models” and sell it to customers i.e. Facebook, Google, Silicon Valley) and states that unlike with big tech companies where “if you do not pay you are the product”, publishing companies like Elsevier use researchers both as product and paying customers in “Surveillance publishing”, allowing the “data cartels” to feed predictive models and turn academic’s data into a product, which is quietly sold to tech companies without the academics’ knowledge in a process Pooley calls “academic fracking”, and that even open-access work is often restricted or enclosed within proprietary platforms that enable further data extraction. Pooley urges academics to push back now and campaign, before these companies fully extend their surveillance-driven business models into AI and continue monetizing scholarly work and researcher behavior without accountability. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Smith, Regan. 2025. “Licensing of Text for Generative AI: Learnings from Non-AI Licensing Practices.” ''The Columbia Journal of Law & the Arts'' 48 (4): 457–512. DOI: https://doi.org/10.52214/jla.v48i4.13926''' </div> This article provides an overview of the challenges and opportunities of licensing textual content for generative AI, analyzing how existing open-access licenses (CC BY, CC BY-SA, CC0) perform in machine learning contexts. The author argues that most licenses were drafted without anticipating large-scale AI training or synthetic output generation, highlighting gaps in coverage while noting that marketplace solutions (through negotiated deals with publishers or voluntary collective management organizations- CMOs) are already emerging. The piece emphasizes that AI developers and rightsholders can collaboratively experiment with licensing arrangements, scaling compliance and business operations to mitigate risk, rather than relying on rigid, government-mandated frameworks. The author proposes that machine-readable licensing provisions, including TDM opt-out signals and provenance-tracking requirements, should become standard features of scholarly communication infrastructure, and engages with the question of whether OA constitutes a commons governed by norms of reciprocity or a reservoir open to private capture, examining case law around "fair use" defenses for training data and the adequacy of attribution mechanisms when source texts are statistically blended beyond recognition. == Open Data == <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Bender, Emily M., and Batya Friedman. 2018. “Data Statements for Natural Language Processing: Toward Mitigating System Bias and Enabling Better Science.” ''Transactions of the Association for Computational Linguistics'' 6: 587–604. https://doi.org/10.1162/tacl_a_00041.''' </div> The authors propose data statements as a design intervention to reduce exclusion and bias in language technologies, particularly in NLP, arguing that such documentation can prevent misrepresentation and support more ethical and accurate system development. They define a data statement as a “critical enabling infrastructure” that helps developers understand how results may generalize, how systems should be deployed, and what biases might be present. Their recommended schema includes a detailed, long-form account covering (curation methods, language variety, speaker and annotator demographics, context of speech or text, and recording or text quality) and a short form that should accompany any publication using the dataset. Using two case studies, they demonstrate how this schema works in practice and conclude that without a field-wide commitment to this practice, efforts to confront bias will be severely weakened, whereas widespread adoption would immediately clarify representational limits and, over time, foster more inclusive datasets and value-sensitive research. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Boyd, Karen. 2021. “Datasheets for Datasets Help ML Engineers Notice and Understand Ethical Issues in Training Data.” ''Proceedings of the ACM on Human-Computer Interaction'' 5, no. CSCW2: 1–27. https://doi.org/10.1145/3479582.''' </div> Boyd explores how documentation frameworks such as “Datasheets for Datasets” function in practice for machine learning engineers, showing that open access to data alone does not ensure ethical or responsible AI development. Through think-aloud sessions with 23 practitioners, Boyd demonstrates that engineers who received a Datasheet identified ethical issues earlier and more frequently than those who did not, proving that documentation can actively shape how practitioners recognize, interpret, and respond to potential ethical issues in training data. Framing the analysis through the concept of ethical sensitivity (recognition, particularization, and judgment), Boyd argues that practices focused on structured interventions could increase ethical awareness, like datasheets that could serve as an infrastructure for ethical engagement, prompting engineers to reflect on dataset provenance, demographic representation, and the broader consequences of data reuse, factors often hidden or overlooked in open data environments. This study challenges the assumption that openness automatically leads to fairer AI systems. By offering empirical evidence of how documentation scaffolds ethical decision-making, the author makes a compelling case for embedding such practices throughout AI, especially as machine learning systems increasingly rely on openly available and ethically complicated data. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Carroll, Stephanie Russo, Edit Herczog, Māui Hudson, Keith Russell, and Shelley Stall. 2021. “Operationalizing the CARE and FAIR Principles for Indigenous Data Futures.” ''Scientific Data'' 8: 108. https://doi.org/10.1038/s41597-021-00892-0.''' </div> Carroll et al. discuss how the FAIR (Findable, Accessible, Interoperable, and Reusable) principles for scientific data and CARE (Collective Benefit, Authority to Control, Responsibility, and Ethics) principles for Indigenous Data Governance can be operationalized to allow Indigenous Peoples’ Rights to control their data, especially as big data and open data increase access to large datasets. The authors consider that the two sets of principles can be complimentary, both for scientific data and for data created by or about Indigenous Peoples. Scientific data can benefit from the CARE principles because many scientific datasets contain Indigenous Knowledge and these datasets can be oriented in ways that enhance the wellbeing of people by recording provenance and using appropriate governance models. Similarly, Indigenous Data can benefit from the FAIR principles to make data interoperable, regardless of the source or underlying technology, even if the datasets cannot be made openly accessible. The authors provide some recommendations to operationalize FAIR principles with CARE by making Indigenous data FAIR, raising awareness of the CARE Principles among the research community before engaging with Indigenous data, and testing ways to use CARE principles for Indigenous data. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Carroll, Stephanie Russo, Ibrahim Garba, Óscar Luis Figueroa Rodríguez, Jarita Holbrook, and Raymond Lovett. 2020. “The CARE Principles for Indigenous Data Governance.” ''Data Science Journal'' 19, no. 1: 43. https://doi.org/10.5334/dsj-2020-043.''' </div> The authors ground the article in the structural biases embedded in data ecosystems and the ongoing processes of colonization that have produced epistemicide and constrained Indigenous Peoples’ ability to sustain their knowledges. They highlight how inequities operate across digital infrastructures and institutions, while Indigenous knowledge systems already engage with this complexity. The article directly refers to the tension between Indigenous Data Sovereignty and the data demands of AI, machine learning, and big data initiatives, noting that secondary data use and broad data sharing can threaten Indigenous rights, consent, and collective interests. Within this context, the Indigenous-led development of the CARE Principles (Collective Benefit, Authority to Control, Responsibility, and Ethics) is discussed as a value-based response to concerns about the secondary use and reuse of Indigenous data. It highlights that open data for AI training is not a merely technical matter, but a political one, where broad data sharing and algorithmic extraction can underscore Indigenous rights, consent, and collective interests. By articulating CARE, authors argue for frameworks that center people and purpose rather than solely data accessibility or system performance. The paper concludes that reclaiming control of data and data narratives shifts Indigenous Peoples from being subjects and invisible within data systems to self-determining users who shape governance, policy, ethics, and innovation in ways aligned with collective benefit and equity. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Heger, Amy, Liz B. Marquis, Mihaela Vorvoreanu, Hanna Wallach, and Jennifer Wortman Vaughan. 2022. “Understanding Machine Learning Practitioners' Data Documentation Perceptions, Needs, Challenges, and Desiderata.” ''Proceedings of the ACM on Human-Computer Interaction'' 6, no. CSCW2: 1–29. https://doi.org/10.1145/3555760.''' </div> Heger et al. (2022) examine whether existing data documentation frameworks actually meet the needs of machine learning (ML) practitioners, a crucial issue given that AI models now shape high-stakes decisions across disciplines and depend heavily on the quality and transparency of their training data. The authors argue that while documentation initiatives like Datasheets for Datasets aim to support responsible and transparent AI, little is known about how these tools function in industry settings, where workflows, pressures, and data types differ substantially from academic contexts. Through semi-structured interviews and a documentation exercise with 14 practitioners, they find that current documentation practices are largely ad hoc, narrow in scope, and often disconnected from responsible AI concerns. Participants struggled to understand the purpose of many documentation questions, were unsure of appropriate granularity, and often failed to recognize the ethical implications of dataset characteristics. Their findings reveal a significant gap between responsible AI ideals and everyday ML practices. The study provides evidence that documentation frameworks must be contextual, integrated into existing tools, and supported by actionable guidance if they are to prevent downstream harms. By deriving seven design requirements, the authors offer concrete directions for developing documentation standards that can support safer, more accountable open AI data practices. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Huerta, E. A., Ben Blaiszik, L. Catherine Brinson, Kristofer E. Bouchard, and D. Díaz, et al. 2023. “FAIR for AI: An Interdisciplinary and International Community Building Perspective.” ''Scientific Data'' 10: 487. https://doi.org/10.1038/s41597-023-02298-6.''' </div> Huerta et al. (2023) survey a wide landscape of U.S. and European initiatives defining the FAIR (Findable, Accessible, Interoperable, Reusable) principles for AI models, arguing that responsible AI requires more than open access, it requires infrastructures that make AI assets understandable, comparable, and genuinely reusable. Their main argument is that FAIR must be reinterpreted for AI because models, software, and workflows are now “first-class” research objects, and only coordinated, community-wide standards can support interpretability, reproducibility, and sustainable open science. By mapping dozens of large, interdisciplinary FAIR-for-AI efforts, the authors show how FAIRness enables cross-disciplinary model reuse, transparent benchmarking, and educational access, ultimately laying groundwork for foundation models built from FAIR, AI-ready datasets. The paper highlights a major gap in current AI openness debates: open access alone does not ensure usable, trustworthy, or equitable AI. The authors demonstrate that without shared metadata standards, integrated repositories, and long-term infrastructure, openness can fragment into silos that impede scientific discovery. Their community-focused perspective invites readers to see FAIR not as a bureaucratic checklist but as an evolving, collaborative project essential for scaling transparent, reusable AI across scientific domains. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Taeihagh, Araz. 2025. “Governance of Generative AI.” ''Policy and Society'' 44, no. 1: 1–14. https://doi.org/10.1093/polsoc/puaf001.''' </div> Taeihagh’s work takes on the evolving governance challenges surrounding generative AI, particularly the way its vast training data demands have injected new urgency into long-running debates over open data governance. Unlike rule-based AI systems designed for fixed, pre-specified tasks, generative models train on expansive datasets and produce novel outputs; The author argues that this reshapes the very terrain of risk. This shift invites distinct concerns: hallucination, jailbreak, exposure of sensitive information, accuracy failures, opacity, and the general difficulty of control. Taeihagh not only details how these risks emerge from the technical properties of generative systems but also proposes a governance framework that maps potential interventions to each category of risk and explores the institutional supports required to make such interventions effective. The framework is especially instructive for today’s AI data-governance debates, where the scale and unpredictability of generative models are compelling policymakers to rethink what openness should entail, whose interests it advances, and how governance mechanisms can guard against extractive data practices while steering AI development toward public values. == Open Source == <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Bostrom, Nick. 2017. “Strategic Implications of Openness in AI Development.” ''Global Policy'' 8 (2): 135-148. DOI: https://doi.org/10.1111/1758-5899.12403''' </div> This article is a cross-section that surveys the notion of openness in AI development before proprietary AI models entered the market, observing the early approaches of competing companies including Google, Facebook, and Microsoft, as well as OpenAI’s origins as a non-profit organization—OpenAI now operates as a capped-profit company governed by a non-profit, functioning effectively as a for-profit public benefit corporation rather than a publicly traded entity. The article focuses on long-term moves towards openness and their implications, but also briefly considers the benefits and problems inherent in short- and medium-term openness: Bostrom speculates that too much openness runs the risk of curbing corporate (and therefore funding) interest, ultimately slowing the rate of AI’s technological progress. However, he also asks: “supposing openness would speed technical progress and rollout of AI capabilities, would that be socially beneficial?” (137). Bostrom notes a number of concerns ranging from public safety to labour encroachment, but still suggests that openness in AI development would be a net positive that accelerates the rate of technological progress in the short and middle-term. In the article’s long term section, Bostrom considers multiple scenarios in which openness might either help or hinder the safety and progress of a general AI superintelligence. He identifies distinct forms of openness (Science and Source Code; Control Methods and Risk Analysis; Capabilities and Expectations; and Values, Goals, and Governance Structures), addressing the potential value of openness in each, and argues that while openness is generally positive, especially in issues of values and safety, sharing too much knowledge may increase the odds someone will abuse this technology or ignore safety. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Cooper, Martin. 2023. “Open Source is Good for AI But, Is AI Good for Open Source?” ''ITNOW'', 65 (2): Summer 2023, 50–51. https://doi.org/10.1093/combul/bwad062''' </div> Cooper shares Terence Eden's perspectives on the evolving relationship between artificial intelligence and the open source movement, ultimately raising ethical and practical concerns about attribution and authorship in the age of AI-generated code. Eden believes that open source promotes technologies like AI, cloud, and the internet, driving efficiency, reducing duplication, and advancing scientific discovery. He raises an issue with AI’s use of open source without proper attribution violating one of open source’s core principles: crediting the original creator. Despite acknowledging that AI can assist developers and make programming more accessible, Eden cautions against viewing AI as a substitute for genuine understanding or creativity. Ultimately, Eden’s article is both a celebration and a warning: open source has empowered AI, but unless attribution and ethical use are safeguarded, AI may erode the very openness and integrity that made its success possible. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Guo, Xinwei, Yujun Li, Yafeng Peng, and Xuetao Wei. 2024. “Copyleft for Alleviating AIGC Copyright Dilemma: What-if Analysis, Public Perception and Implications.” ''arXiv'' preprint. arXiv:2402.12216. https://arxiv.org/abs/2402.12216. ''' </div> This article analyses and summarizes copyright disputes related to Artificial Intelligence Generated Content (AIGC) and isolates three primary stakeholders within these disputes: data owners, who create the content upon which AIGCs have been trained; model owners, who develop the AIGC applications and models (e.g., ChatGPT, Stable Diffusion, etc.) themselves; and model users, who apply prompts to AIGC models to generate content. The authors consider the benefits, challenges, and risks that arise from each given stakeholder making a claim to copyright while considering the potential benefits and challenges of embracing copyleft (i.e., granting free use over material so long as the products of that free use are also under copyleft). In their contemplation of each stakeholder, they recognize the benefits for each group in advocating copyright to content, but also identify harm to other stakeholders, society, progress in developing AIGC, and institutions (e.g., “the copyright registration system”) The authors consider three real-life cases surrounding copyright disputes and envision how copyleft would effectively alleviate the disputes and tension surrounding their different stakeholders. The last half of the article performs a survey that asks users who have a range of familiarity with AIGC a range of questions, including who ought to have copyright claims to a generated image of the Mona Lisa in the style of Vincent Van Gogh. The authors note that their survey indicates consistent ambivalence, misunderstanding, and concern over copyright issues related to AIGC. The survey identified that there is support for applying copyleft to AIGC, and that that support increases the more someone understands the issues surrounding AIGC and copyright. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Osborne, Cailean. 2024 “Why Companies "Democratise" Artificial Intelligence: The Case of Open Source Software Donations.” ''arXiv'' doi: 10.48550/ARXIV.2409.17876''' </div> Osborne aims to advance the ‘nascent research agenda on the political economy of open source AI’ by studying various corporate AI OSS donations to non-profit foundations and thereby sourcing and explaining corporate incentives behind their ‘democratization’ of AI. He firstly outlines this topic in detail, clarifying that the technology required to access AI is expensive, and developing AI even more so, meaning this ‘democratization’ represents only a lowering rather than removal of barriers. Osborne then considers the possible incentives behind organisational level decisions to democratize AI, as companies seek to competitively dominate industry norms, test and improve their products, enlarge intellectual property, reduce R&D costs, and focus external research into their own AI. Significantly, individual developers of open source software do not have the same incentives but tend to accept commercial participation. On one hand, corporate participation means volunteers will be contributing towards these sources of corporate profit without reward; on the other hand, it risks companies dominating open research spaces and developing a complex intercompany research network of ‘co-opetition’ which individual volunteers cannot enter. Therefore, Osborne’s study is highly relevant to issues of commercialization and open scholarship and especially concerns of “open-washing.” The study’s results highlight the predominantly commercial incentives behind corporate “AI democratisation” efforts, appropriately mirroring its most common form – the democratization of governance. However, Osborne's results also illustrate the significance of the individual level, “bottom-up” movement, suggesting that a significant 38% of decisions to donate stemmed from developers. Despite this, he concludes that “AI democratization” is indeed “a strategic calculation, where companies relinquish control of their OSS project in exchange for assumed benefits”, as “democratisation of governance is treated as a social means for primarily economic and technological ends”, broadly supporting the works of Widder et al. and Srnicek, and encouraging other researchers to bring their attention to this area. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Radu, Roxana. 2021. “Steering the Governance of Artificial Intelligence: National Strategies in Perspective.” ''Policy and Society'' 40 (2): 178-193. DOI: https://doi.org/10.1080/14494035.2021.1929728.''' </div> This article provides a survey and analysis of the national strategies related to AI implemented by a dozen countries around the world. This article is of particular interest to those interested in concrete policies and regulations surrounding AI rather than discourse and rhetoric. Radu identifies a tension between nations claiming to take a leadership role and corporations that are “driving developments in the field”. More specifically, she observes that the vast “majority of binding agreements and voluntary commitments” come from corporations rather than nations or government regulatory bodies, indicating a concerning trend toward self-regulation. Governments have often played a key role in facilitating the conditions in which the development of AI technologies have thrived, even funding the rudimentary research that leads to AI models and applications, and this article notes that, regardless of the level of government regulation, the state is rarely a passive player when it comes to AI. Radu identifies the trend of a “dominant place for industry in the drafting process” and that representatives from industry make up a third of members drafting national strategies as well as prominent positions within those groups. Radu also notes absences: for instance, despite more than seventy countries using AI for surveillance, this issue is conspicuously absent from most strategies. Radu concludes that the common thread among many of these strategies is a hybridity between industry and state that affirms “the deliberate choice for functional indetermination,” resulting in a lack of clarity surrounding “who makes the rules and for how long,” and notes there are very few limitations placed on industry as these strategies instead provide vague ethical guidelines. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Schmit, Cason, M. J. Doerr, and J. K. Wagner. 2023. “Leveraging IP for AI Governance.” ''Science'' 379 (6633): 646-647. DOI: https://doi.org/10.1126/science.add2202.''' </div> This article proposes a hybrid AI copyright model that combines copyleft licensing and “patent trolling” in order to enforce an ethical approach to using AI models and training datasets. Schmit et al. contend that current legislation that applies to AI models and their use “are insufficient to impel ethical conduct” and require further consideration. The article advocates its hybrid model—Copyleft AI with Trusted Enforcement (CAITE)—as both rigorous and flexible, allowing for both self-reporting and monitoring. Essentially, the system works by creating an ecosystem in which AI models and training data are developed using copyleft, allowing for free use of these materials so long as the product of that use is covered by the same licensing agreement. At the same time, the enforcement of that licensing agreement is transferred to a regulatory entity called the CAITE Host, which acts as a positive counterpart to the patent troll, ensuring that no individual or organization breaches the terms of copyleft, introduces dangerous applications, data, or features, or unethically uses materials under the copyleft agreement. The CAITE Host and its code of ethics are driven by community oversight and buy-in ,and the host is regulated by the community. The authors contend that its flexibility and bottom-up structure make CAITE uniquely suited to handling the rapidly developing field of AI and its shifting needs. Once CAITE achieves a critical mass, it would also become increasingly unlikely for AI developers to opt out. The article concludes by proposing a pilot model for CAITE, and strongly suggests that such a framework is far preferable for industry and others than stringent, relatively slow-moving, and inflexible government regulation in isolation. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Shanklin, Grant, Cason Schmit, Jacob Pierce, Nicole Martinez-Martin, and Matthew DeCamp. 2024. “The Case for Contextual Copyleft: Licensing Open Source Training Data and Generative AI.” ''arXiv'' preprint. arXiv:2507.12713. https://arxiv.org/abs/2507.12713.''' </div> This article introduces and describes a new form of content licensing, CCAI (Contextual Copyleft AI), designed to apply copyleft values and ethics to AI content, and should appeal to anyone interested in coding, copyright, and the (mis)use of training data for generative AI. The authors advocate for an approach that preserves the values of the Free and Open Source Software (FOSS) movement by using copyleft as a mechanism for the rights of AI content. The CCAI license requires that the free use and distribution of the software in question, that any work derived from that software must also be licensed under CCAI, and that CCAI software must “include source code or provide a way to access it”. The CCAI draws from and imitates other copyleft licenses but explicitly addresses and outlines the expectations regarding specific components of AI models within its license, applying copyleft and a requirement of openness to training data, code, and parameters. The article contends that whether it is easily demonstrable or not, clear guidelines of when training on publicly available data is and is not okay can act as a deterrent to misuse, and the CCAI license will give developers more agency in how others use their code, accelerate open source AI development by giving open source AI models open source training data only they can use, and limit the practice of open washing—claims that software and AI is open source when it is not (or not fully open source). The authors admit there are security risks that come with open AI models (e.g., vulnerabilities to malicious actors), but they contend that the benefits far outweigh those risks, especially when accompanied by the implementation of the CCAI and complementary regulations. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Widder, David Gray, Dawn Nafus, Laura Dabbish, and James Herbsleb. 2022. “Limits and Possibilities for ‘Ethical AI’ in Open Source: A Study of Deepfakes.” In ''Proceedings of the 2022 ACM Conference on Fairness, Accountability, and Transparency (FAccT ’22)'', 2035–46. New York: Association for Computing Machinery. https://doi.org/10.1145/3531146.3533779.''' </div> Widder et al. assert that significant understudied harms arise from divergent practices of “transparency and accountability” in the open source community. They argue that interventions designed for private companies may be improper for open source contexts, highlighting gaps in current approaches to “Ethical AI.” Their purpose is to reveal these systemic vulnerabilities and propose frameworks that better address the unique social and technical dynamics of open source development. They use an open source Deepfake creation tool as an extreme case to highlight how ethical reasoning intersects with broader cultural frameworks and interview project leaders. In this case study, researchers offer a definition of “Down stream control assumptions”, suggesting that “Ethical AI” research and “design interventions’ would be improved by explicitly acknowledging these assumptions and identifying ways to work effectively under weak assumptions of downstream control in open sources contexts. == Open Science == <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Ación, Laura, Mariela Rajngewerc, Gregory Randall, and Lorena Etcheverry. 2023. “Generative AI Poses Ethical Challenges for Open Science.” ''Nature Human Behaviour'' 7 (12): 2024–2026. DOI: https://doi.org/10.1038/s41562-023-01740-4 ''' </div> This article explores the tension between Open Science’s need to make knowledge freely accessible and the rise in GenAI and its tendencies to using any information available to it without necessarily considering how its application of such information (including information made available through Open Science) may do harm. These “frictions,” as the authors describe them, point to Open Science’s need to make data available while ensuring said data is not used to do harm. It is a concise summary of the foundational issues at the heart of these conversations, and great for anyone interested in how GenAI complicates Open Knowledge. The authors propose selective licensing as one approach to curbing harm, but notes that this only protects against harm from direct use (e.g., “open-source code used to build a weapon”) and not an indirect use (e.g., “open-source library use within another algorithm that is in itself harmful”). Ultimately, they stress the need for new governance systems and regulations related to the creation of knowledge that prioritizes both the public good and right to research. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Baltes, Sebastian, Florian Angermeir, Chetan Arora, Preetha Chatterjee, Jens Deitenbeck, Daniel Graziotin, Christoph Treude, et al. 2025. “Guidelines for Empirical Studies in Software Engineering Involving Large Language Models.” ''arXiv'' preprint. arXiv:2508.15503. arXiv: https://arxiv.org/abs/2508.15503 ''' </div> This article develops best practices and guidelines for the use of LLMs (expressly language LLMs, not image, audio, or video) for empirical studies in software engineering (expressly data collection, processing, and analysis). The authors aim to “enable reproducibility and replicability” in the field even when LLMs are in use and “produce more reliable evidence on what LLM can and cannot deliver”. They present what they call a “taxonomy of Study Types” in addition to their guidelines, providing examples both within and beyond software engineering, all aimed at promoting the use of LLMs while promoting open science practices. The article considers LLMs as annotators, judges, synthesizers, and subjects in SE, and the guidelines Baltes et al. present have two tiers, MUST and SHOULD, demonstrating a nuanced understanding of practices without which SE research employing LLMs is rendered ineffective (e.g., declaring an LLM’s usage and role ) and those practices that merely make this sort of research more rigorous and accessible (e.g., including full interaction logs if privacy and confidentiality can be ensured). The authors advocate for these practices to better enable researchers in SE to engage with LLMs while practicing Open Science. Of particular interest is the way in which the authors structure their understanding of the field and guidelines, and how they recognize distinct studies require slightly different practices. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Biderman, Stella, Hailey Schoelkopf, Quentin Anthony, Herbie Bradley, Kyle O'Brien, Eric Hallahan, Mohammad Aflah Khan, et al. 2022. “EleutherAI: Going Beyond ‘Open Science’ to ‘Science in the Open.’” ''arXiv'': https://arxiv.org/abs/2210.06413 ''' </div> This article outlines the inception and progress of EleutherAI, a lab and AI model first founded in 2020 by a group of (for the most part) university affiliated academics and researchers concerned that for-profit companies are the primary developers of GenAI research and models, and that there is a lack of transparency and openness related to these technologies. Those interested in alternative approaches to AI models or a concrete example of Open Science in action should read this article. Because these researchers want to make available a “capable large language model… for public use, study, and scrutiny,” they have conducted all EleutherAI research in the open, making it freely accessible to everyone (1): all research and discussions take place on Discord servers, and projects coordinated and teams assembled in those servers on a grassroots basis. This “public-facing research” leads to a “virtuous cycle” with little turn around between the conception of ideas and development of projects, and facilitates conversation, collaboration, and community by giving all users, even newcomers, unfettered access to every means of communication in which the group engages. The authors consider the downsides to such an approach as well, citing the issues of relying on volunteer labour, how others might take this public research for their own without proper accreditation to EleutherAI, and the important consideration that perhaps not all things should be made public, but ultimately conclude that such open research is integral to the academic community. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Gundersen, Odd Erik, Odd Cappelen, Martin Mølnå, and Nicklas Grimstad Nilsen. 2024. “The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Open Science in AI: A Replication Study.” ''arXiv'' preprint. https://doi.org/10.48550/ARXIV.2412.17859. ''' </div> Gundersen et al. examine the extent to which a widely accepted crisis in research reproducibility affects AI research. They do this by conducting a systematic replication study of thirty highly cited AI studies, allowing the authors to identify the problems with irreproducibility. Out of the gate, the replication process could only be attempted with twenty-two of these studies because their research data needed to be openly available and reproducible without special hardware. Furthermore, the twenty-two replications were each given forty working hours of effort, but twelve of these took too long and had to be stopped early, impacting their quality. In result, it was found that out of the twenty-two replication attempts began only six could be accurately reproduced and five partially reproduced, meaning a 50% success rate. The main problems for reproducibility were identified in six sources: the ‘source code’, ‘article’, ‘data’, ‘results’, and ‘resources’. Notably, each of the six accurate reproductions had code available, and the one other study with available code was a partial success limited by the time constraint, meaning availability of code alongside the data certainly improved the quality of the replication and was the most important factor for success. Therefore, despite limitations of a small sample size and time constraints, Gundersen et al.’s finding that AI research’s reproducibility climbs from 33% accuracy when only data is available to 86% when both code and data are available. This is a significant enough result to empirically demonstrate the benefits of mandating openness and transparency of code as well as data.  <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Helregel, N. 2025. “AI and Open Science: Implications and Library Practice Recommendations.” ''Library Trends'' 73 (3). DOI: https://doi.org/10.1353/lib.2025.a961191 ''' </div> Helregel (2025) examines the complex intersection of artificial intelligence and the open science movement, questioning whether current AI technologies possess the necessary transparency to align with open research principles. The article explores multiple dimensions of this relationship, assessing both the potential for AI to actively advance open science goals and the broader impacts of AI adoption on the attitudes and behaviors of researchers and the public. Recognizing the critical role of library and information science professionals in navigating this shifting landscape, Helregel outlines concrete recommendations for institutional library practice. These actionable strategies include prioritizing internal knowledge-building, fostering cross-institutional advocacy, adapting consultation and liaison workflows, navigating complex licensing agreements, and enhancing science communication. Ultimately, the paper positions libraries as vital infrastructure for ensuring that AI integration supports, rather than undermines, the core tenets of transparency, reproducibility, and accessibility in scholarly communication. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Hosseini, Mohammad, Serge P. J. M. Horbach, Kristi Holmes, Tony Ross-Hellauer. 2025 “Open Science at the generative AI turn: An exploratory analysis of challenges and opportunities.” ''Quantitative Science Studies'' 6: 22–45. DOI: https://doi.org/10.1162/qss_a_00337 ''' </div> Hosseini et al. provide an overview of the potential benefits and downsides of incorporating generative AI into different open science practices, as defined by the UNESCO Recommendation on Open Science, particularly open access, open data, open source software, open evaluation, open science infrastructures, open engagement of societal actors, and open dialogue with other knowledge systems. Some common benefits across these practices is that generative AI has the potential to lower the barriers to participation in science, summarize academic literature for non-academic audiences, and simplify processes in coding and data management. However, the authors also warn about the potential risks, including the creation and spread of misinformation, the propagation of hegemonic worldviews, and the monetization of research information. Given these downsides and the high social and ecological costs of generative AI, the authors suggest researchers question if AI tools are the most efficient way of achieving openness in science. The final section of the paper includes further recommendations for institutions, funders, and publishers, such as providing training on the use of generative AI, monitoring its positive and negative impacts, and continuing testing its use for evaluation and assessment purposes. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Linåker, Johan, Cailean Osborne, Jennifer Ding, Daniel Puttick, and Richard Nweibo. 2025. “A Cartography of Open Collaboration in Open Source AI: Mapping Practices, Motivations, and Governance in 14 Open Large Language Model Projects.” ''arXiv'': https://arxiv.org/abs/2509.25397''' </div> This article engages in a survey and interviews of the practices, motivations, and governance of fourteen Open LLMs with the aim of further enabling collaboration throughout the open LLM lifecycle. The essay provides an overview of terms for Open AI and major takeaways and challenges for different types of collaboration—types of collaboration include model, data, software, evaluation, non-technical, and compute—at the pre-training, post-training, and post-release stages of the LLM lifecycle. The authors also identify five governance frameworks for open LLM projects ranging from single companies to “non-profit-sponsored grassroots projects”. The authors opine that collaboration does not merely happen with LLMs themselves but the infrastructure and accompanying tools (e.g., datasets, open source frameworks, discussion fora, etc.) needed to produce and maintain them, and more research and attention needs to be given to the ecosystem surrounding LLMs. The article also includes recommendations “to support the global community of practitioners building a more open future for AI” for researchers and developers, AI companies, policy makers, and academic institutions, platform providers, and open source foundations. For instance, they recommend that policy makers fund infrastructure of public AI, not just specific models, use targeted initiatives to support regional languages, require publicly funded research to use licensing that aligns with Open Science principles, and insist on a clear definition of what constitutes Openness in these cases (36). <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Papi, Sara, Marco Gaido, Luisa Bentivogli, and Matteo Negri. 2025. “FAMA: The First Large-Scale Open-Science Speech Foundation Model for English and Italian.” ''arXiv'': https://arxiv.org/abs/2505.22759 ''' </div> This article presents an Open Science Speech Foundation Model (SFM) called FAMA, “the first family of large-scale open-science SFMs for English and Italian trained on over 150k hours of exclusively OS-compliant speech data.” FAMA’s results are comparable to its closed counterparts and considerably faster (up to 8 times). The authors present a brief summary of recent advancements in automatic speech recognition and speech translation while raising concerns about the closed nature of related applications’ training data and code and pointing to open source alternatives in different domains for inspiration. The majority of the article is dedicated to specifics of architecture, training, and results of FAMA compared to its competitors; however, the end results—that FAMA is competitive with and even outperforms its larger, non-open counterparts like OpenAI’s Whisper in some cases–is an excellent case study in how Open Science can work in the domain of LLMs and AI. {{Navigation|previous=Essential Contexts|next=AI and Social}} {{BookCat}} ccbbmkiwzmw1zg9tt9e393ybe6a2m89 0 483504 4637089 2026-05-22T21:58:08Z Zainab118 3592060 Created 4637089 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Recipe summary | Category = Stewed beef dish | Difficulty = 4 }} '''Nyama Choma''' is a popular East African dish that means “grilled [[Cookbook:meat|meat]]” in Swahili. It is commonly made with goat, beef, or lamb, slowly roasted over charcoal until tender and smoky. It is often served with side dishes such as ugali, kachumbari (tomato-onion [[Cookbook:salad|salad]]), and [[Cookbook:vegetables|vegetables]]. ==Ingredients== * 1–2 kg beef or goat meat (with some fat for flavor) *2–3 cloves garlic (crushed) *1 tablespoon [[Cookbook:ginger|ginger]] (optional) *1–2 teaspoons salt (to taste) *1 teaspoon black pepper 1–2 tablespoons lemon juice 1 tablespoon cooking oil (optional, for moisture) ==Preparation Method== *Wash the meat thoroughly and cut it into medium or large pieces. Season it with salt, black pepper, crushed garlic, ginger (optional), and lemon juice. Mix well so the seasoning covers all the meat, then leave it to marinate for at least 30 minutes to allow the flavors to soak in. *Prepare a charcoal fire and let it burn until the coals are hot and covered with a light layer of ash. Place a grill rack above the fire so the heat is steady and not too strong. *Put the meat on the grill and cook slowly over the charcoal. Turn the pieces regularly so they cook evenly on all sides and do not burn. Continue grilling until the meat becomes well-browned, slightly crispy on the outside, and fully cooked inside with a smoky aroma. *Remove the meat from the grill and allow it to rest for a few minutes before serving. ==Serving== Nyama Choma is usually served with: *Ugali (maize meal) *Kachumbari (fresh tomato, onion, and chili salad) *Cooked greens or vegetables *Fresh drinks or soup (optional) ==Tip== Nyama Choma is more than just food it is a social meal shared with family and friends. It is commonly prepared during gatherings, celebrations, and weekends. The simplicity of seasoning allows the natural flavor of the meat and smoke to stand out. [[Category:Kenyan recipes]] j6uak3e1w0ng05i7n4ju9az6kres16b 0 483505 4637091 2026-05-22T23:46:56Z LodestarChariot2 3138880 Created new chapter in the book. 4637091 wikitext text/x-wiki == Platforms == <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Burton, Jason W., Ezequiel Lopez-Lopez, Shahar Hechtlinger, et al. 2024. “How Large Language Models Can Reshape Collective Intelligence.” ''Nature Human Behaviour'' 8 (9): 1643–55. https://doi.org/10.1038/s41562-024-01959-9.''' </div> Large language models are quickly becoming infrastructure for how groups seek information, deliberate, and coordinate, potentially altering the conditions under which collective intelligence emerges. Burton and colleagues argue that LLMs do not merely speed up individual work but transform how information is aggregated, accessed, and transmitted across digital environments that underpin collective performance in organizations and societies. Drawing on interdisciplinary perspectives, the paper frames this shift as simultaneously enabling and destabilizing: LLMs can support distributed cognition (e.g., idea generation, synthesis, translation, scalable facilitation) while also increasing risks tied to dependence on shared intermediaries, degraded diversity of viewpoints, and new pathways for error, manipulation, or misplaced confidence. Rather than offering a single model or experiment, the article maps a research-and-practice agenda by identifying potential benefits, key hazards, and policy-relevant considerations, then articulating open questions that link technical design choices to group-level epistemic outcomes. Its central claim is that understanding collective intelligence in the LLM era requires moving analysis beyond isolated human–AI interactions toward system-level effects on networks, platforms, and institutions, and that these effects warrant focused study before LLM-mediated coordination becomes the default for tackling complex problems. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Corsi, G., Marino, B., & Wong, W. 2024. “The spread of synthetic media on X.” ''Harvard Kennedy School (HKS) Misinformation Review''. https://doi.org/10.37016/mr-2020-140''' </div> Corsi and Wong’s longitudinal empirical study analyzing 566 tweets containing synthetic media (December 2022-September 2023) documenting a dramatic surge following Midjourney V5 release with over 1.5 billion total views, revealing differential impacts where political deepfakes achieve higher median views despite representing minority of synthetic content. Demonstrates that generative AI's impact is stratified by content purpose with political misinformation posing acute democratic risks, while current detection and labeling systems lag behind generative capabilities creating governance gaps compromising users' capacity to evaluate information. Using Community Notes data from December 2022 to October 2023, the study highlights the connection between the growth in generative AI tools and the rapid proliferation of synthetic media. The findings indicate that most synthetic media is non-political and largely benign, frequently taking the form of humorous or satirical images. However, the study also identifies a smaller but concerning portion of malicious synthetic media, which have potential height risks despite their lower frequency. The authors further examine the role of X’s paid verification system, revealing that while verified users tend to receive more overall views, this advantage diminishes when engagement is adjusted for follower count, implying that verification alone provides limited amplification. The study casts light on synthetic media’s expanding presence on social platforms and warns that even widespread exposure to seemingly harmless AI-generated content may gradually undermine trust in online information. To address these challenges, the authors recommend ongoing empirical monitoring, stronger collaboration between researchers and industry to develop transparent detection tools, and proactive policy measures aimed at reducing the social and political harms posed by malicious synthetic media. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Delmonaco, Daniel, Samuel Mayworm, Hibby Thach, Josh Guberman, Aurelia Augusta, and Oliver L. Haimson. 2024. “‘What are you doing, TikTok?’: How Marginalized Social Media Users Perceive, Theorize, and ‘Prove’ Shadowbanning.” https://oliverhaimson.com/PDFs/DelmonacoShadowbanning.pdf. ''' </div> Delmonaco et al.’s qualitative study explores marginalized social media users’ experiences with shadowbanning through the theoretical framework of algorithmic “folk theories.” Through a review of existing literature, the authors demonstrate how social media companies publicly distance themselves from shadowbanning while continuing to apply it in practice and explain why content produced by marginalized users is more frequently subject to filtering. The study analyzes 24 interviews to explore how users perceive, theorize, and attempt to “prove” shadowbanning through indicators such as decreased visibility, engagement, and follower loss. The findings reveal widespread confusion surrounding shadowbanning, deep mistrust in platform governance, and the disproportionate harm imposed on marginalized communities whose content is suppressed despite platforms’ public denials. The data further shows how users collectively produce and co-produce theories to resist the opacity of algorithmic moderation, and authors introduce “collaborative algorithm investigation,” in which users test and share algorithmic folk theories with one another. The authors argue that algorithmic content moderation exacerbates existing inequities by obscuring governance decisions, politicizing moderation, and shifting power from human judgment to opaque predictive systems, while suggesting that increased transparency, tailored moderation approaches, and users’ education could help reduce unfair content removals. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Drolsbach, Chiara, and Nicolas Pröllochs. 2025. “Characterizing AI-Generated Misinformation on Social Media.” ''arXiv'' preprint. DOI: https://doi.org/10.48550/arXiv.2505.10266''' </div> Drolsbach and Pröllochs’ article address a critical gap in existing research by shifting attention from the social drawbacks of AI-generated misinformation to its real-world prevalence and behavior on social media platforms. Using a large-scale dataset of 91,452 misleading posts identified through X’s Community Notes platform, the authors empirically compare AI-generated and non-AI-generated misinformation across content characteristics, account attributes, virality, believability, and harmfulness. Their findings show that AI-generated misinformation is more entertainment-oriented, exhibits more positive sentiment, and is more likely to originate from smaller accounts, yet achieves significantly higher virality despite being slightly less believable and harmful than traditional misinformation. In their discussion and conclusion, the authors emphasize that AI-generated misinformation poses a growing challenge to the digital information ecosystem due to its realism, scalability, and difficulty of detection. They argue that its unique features disturbs algorithmic amplification mechanisms and require new platform strategies, policy interventions, and research approaches that account for the unique properties of AI-generated misinformation rather than relying on countermeasures designed for conventional false content. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Duricic, Tomislav, Hussain Hussain, Emanuel Lacic, Dominik Kowald, Denis Helic, and Elisabeth Lex. 2023. “Beyond-Accuracy: A Review on Diversity, Serendipity, and Fairness in Recommender Systems Based on Graph Neural Networks.” ''Frontiers in Big Data'' 6: 1251072. https://doi.org/10.3389/fdata.2023.1251072.''' </div> Duricic et al. (2023) provide a comprehensive review of recommender systems based on Graph Neural Networks (GNNs), with a particular focus on objectives that go beyond prediction accuracy, including diversity, serendipity, novelty, and fairness. While GNNs have demonstrated strong performance in modeling complex user–item interactions and improving recommendation accuracy, the authors argue that this very strength can intensify structural biases such as popularity bias, homophily, and feedback loops that marginalize less popular content and users. The paper provides a definition of each beyond-accuracy metric, reviews how it has been used in literature, and analyzes the technical barriers of integrating these goals into GNN-based systems such as measurement difficulties, trade-offs between competing goals, and risks of overfitting due to model complexity. Diversity-aware neighborhood sampling, contrastive learning, and adversarial training to disrupt feedback loops are introduced for more heterogeneous and unexpected recommendations. In conclusion, the authors position GNNs as a powerful but double-edged tool in recommendation systems: capable of either narrowing or broadening users’ informational horizons depending on design choices. They argue that future research must focus on principled frameworks that integrate “beyond-accuracy” objectives, emphasizing that recommendation algorithms are not neutral optimizers but key socio-technical systems shaping visibility, voice, and fairness in digital information ecosystems. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Gorwa, Robert, Reuben Binns, and Christian Katzenbach. 2020. “Algorithmic Content Moderation: Technical and Political Challenges in the Automation of Platform Governance.” ''Big Data & Society'' 7 (1): 1–15. https://doi.org/10.1177/2053951719897945.''' </div> Gorwa et al unfold what "Algorithmic moderation systems” are perceived as essential in AI governance to address the public demand on AI accountability and transparency remain unnavigable and inexplicable even the enhanced versions could aggravate the existing misinformation issues. They state that major platforms' growth transforms them so much that they no longer function primarily as social networks. They define “algorithmic moderation” as “systems that classify user generated content based on either matching or prediction, leading to a decision and governance outcome (e.g. removal, geoblocking, account takedown).” Different types of hashing (matching) and classification (prediction) tools and the areas they are deployed (copyright, terrorism, and toxic speech) are described and their practicality are criticized. Their case analyses including copyright enforcement, counterterrorism, and toxic speech illustrate the limitations and unintended harms of automated moderation, demonstrating how even “improved” systems risk reinforcing misinformation patterns, entrenching platform power, and displacing human judgment. Ultimately, Gorwa et al. argue that algorithmic moderation transforms platform governance itself by concentrating authority in opaque technical systems while rendering the underlying political choices invisible. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Reynolds, CJ, and Blake Hallinan. 2024. “User-Generated Accountability: Public Participation in Algorithmic Governance on YouTube.” ''New Media & Society'' 26 (11): 6831–6853. https://doi.org/10.1177/14614448241251791. ''' </div> This study focuses on how YouTube creators respond to platform governance decisions by producing “user-generated accountability” content, videos that publicly document governance failures and pressure YouTube to intervene. Through an analysis of 250 such videos, the authors state that creators overwhelmingly experience YouTube’s policy enforcement, automated moderation systems, and communication practices as opaque, inconsistent, and often discriminatory. Authors declare that human review is essential in automizing platform governance. The study highlights that platform governance decisions affect creators differently depending on channel size, content type, and identity; larger creators can more easily mobilize audiences to “make noise,” while smaller creators rely on collective visibility tactics such as signal boosting across platforms, especially Twitter. The authors argue that these bottom-up accountability practices reflect both the limits of YouTube’s existing governance infrastructure and creators’ efforts to bypass scale dependent unresponsiveness by publicly sharing grievances, comparing experiences, and testing the platform’s algorithms themselves. Theoretically, the study provides the “user-generated accountability” as a framework for engaging with the unavoidable conflicts that will arise around algorithmic systems, and views content creators as “political actors” who advance the perceptions of algorithms. Empirically, it surfaces common concerns such as demonetization of LGBTQ content, and lack of human review. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Savolainen, Lotta. 2022. “The Shadow Banning Controversy: Perceived Governance and Algorithmic Folklore.” ''Media, Culture & Society'' 44 (6): 1091–1109. https://doi.org/10.1177/01634437221077174.''' </div> Savolainen studies shadowbanning as a lens for understanding current algorithmic platform governance from the user perspective. Rather than determining whether shadowbanning objectively exists, the author conceptualizes it as “algorithmic folklore”: informal, collectively produced narratives through which users attempt to make sense of opaque moderation and ranking systems. Drawing on Reddit discussions about TikTok, Instagram, and YouTube, the study shows how users interpret suppressed visibility through anecdotal evidence, experimentation, and shared pattern recognition, revealing the experiential dimensions of algorithmic governance. Either users “probe the rules” or find their ways through “pleasing the algorithms”, the author argues that these practices emerge in response to governance systems that lack clarity, stability, and consistency that are traditionally associated with good governance. The study concludes that platform governance contains a structural paradox: platforms increasingly present themselves as legitimate governors while simultaneously developing automated moderation systems that undermine transparency, and consistent enforcement. Ultimately, the ethical issue is not shadowbanning itself, but the broader reality of shadowy governance exercised by complex, distributed algorithmic systems at scale. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Vetter, Matthew A., Jialei Jiang, and Zachary J. McDowell. 2025. “An Endangered Species: How LLMs Threaten Wikipedia’s Sustainability.” ''AI & Society'', February. https://doi.org/10.1007/s00146-025-02199-9.''' </div> Vetter et al. caution against using Wikipedia as AI training data uncritically by outlining many complicating factors. Wikipedia’s collaborative model of data curation democratizes data creation, but embeds power dynamics and biases. A feminist posthumanist framework is applied, which situates Wikipedia’s knowledge as contextual, based upon the positionality of predominantly Western, male editors, a perspective LLMs would perpetuate without opportunity for change. Wikipedia’s ‘dynamism’ is the main reason it is so valuable, stemming from constant, collaborative updates by volunteers. AI responses’ inconsistent citations and plagiaristic tendencies undermine human editors, the source of Wikipedia’s verifiability, and exploit scholars, Wikipedia itself, and the past labour of volunteers. Wikipedia needs both ‘a steady stream of new and returning readers’ and ‘a diverse group of dedicated volunteers’, whilst AI responses push sources into obscurity and at best detour the website, threatening Wikipedia’s long-term sustainability. Vetter et al. practically explore Wikipedia’s relationship with LLMs by conducting a ‘problem-centred expert interview’ of community leaders, who possess 25 combined years of involvement and research. Through these interviews, Vetter et al. identify three main areas of opportunity: promoting transparency and explainability, diversifying the Wikipedia community, and equipping users with critical thinking skills. Overall, their findings ‘resonate with the posthumanist approach to critical AI literacy’, cautioning against hoping for purely technological fixes and calling for greater transparency in how tech giants ‘leverage open-access datasets’. == Governance, Leadership, and Policy == <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Balendra, Soorya. 2025. “Meta's AI Moderation and Free Speech: Ongoing Challenges in the Global South.” ''Cambridge Forum on AI: Law and Governance'' 1. https://doi.org/10.1017/cfl.2025.5''' </div> This article conducts a case study of Meta’s AI-based content moderation of content in the Global South, arguing that the censorship of unprohibited content (“over removal”) and slow response to content that causes harm (“slow removal”) are part of “content moderation procedures” that constitute “massive discriminatory approaches”. Balendra presents three models of authority for the regulation of social media content: external regulation, self-regulation, and co-regulation, and argues that state regulation (falling under the external model) varies wildly depending on the government in question, with “granting absolute regulatory power to state actors often stifl[ing] political discourse and online expression”. Co- and self-regulation mitigate this problem, but introduce a new issue by shifting responsibility—private companies use AI to make millions of judgements about content in a short frame of time. The paper notes that the EU and the United States have drastically different policies regarding content moderation on social media platforms and argues that “the practice of content moderation remains largely shaped by the cultural norms of the United States” and the values of “a relatively homogenous groups of Silicon Valley elites.” Balendra finds that, at this time, current approaches often prioritize the state or private corporate interests rather than free speech or the interests of the larger community, and much work is needed to “achiev[e] genuine change” in the form of integrated, hybrid approaches. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Birkstedt, Teemu, Matti Minkkinen, Anushree Tandon, and Matti Mäntymäki. 2023. “AI Governance: Themes, Knowledge Gaps and Future Agendas.” ''Internet Research'' 33 (7): 133–67. https://doi.org/10.1108/INTR-01-2022-0042. ''' </div> Birkstedt et al. conduct a systematic literature review (SLR) of the emerging yet fragmented field of “AI governance” (AIG), defined as “a system of rules, practices, processes, and technological tools” that ensure organizational AI meets strategic, legal, and ethical requirements. The authors use human-centric and socio-technical AI traditions to explore how organization-level governance mechanisms can bridge the principles-to-practices gap in AI ethics. Through SLR, authors identify four research agendas. The “technical agenda” focuses on the practicalities of AIG, The “stakeholder and contextual agenda” ensures AI meets requirements via direct collaboration with external stakeholders, increased corporate social responsibility and establishment of an “intelligent discourse regime.” The “regulatory agenda” aligns AIG with ethical and legal standards, while the technical, stakeholder and contextual, and regulatory agendas largely focus on the aims of organizational AIG (i.e. what), the process agenda deals with the means to achieve the aims (i.e. how). The authors develop a generic framework to guide cohesive AIG practices and advocate for a collaborative governance approach that emphasizes transparency, stakeholder engagement, and sociopolitical awareness. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Broekhuizen, Thijs, Henri Dekker, Pedro De Faria, Sebastian Firk, Dinh Khoi Nguyen, and Wolfgang Sofka. 2023. “AI for Managing Open Innovation: Opportunities, Challenges, and a Research Agenda.” ''Journal of Business Research'' 167 (November 2023): 114196. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jbusres.2023.114196. ''' </div> Broekhuizen et al. systematically analyze how AI could be applied to the complex, unstructured task of “open innovation”, a possible business opportunity they believe has been insufficiently explored. They define “Open innovation” as “the practice of leveraging external ideas, resources, and capabilities to improve innovation outcomes”, and propose AI could minimize its inherent managerial challenges. To prove this, the authors form a framework that considers the three abilities involved in AI’s agreed possible applications to management (involving “mapping”, “coordinating”, and “controlling”) and assess how applicable their constituent functions are to the challenges of the three stages of open innovation (involving “initiation”, “development”, and “realization”). In the stage of “initiation”, they propose AI could scout for distant knowledge partners, detect relevant information gaps and opportunities, and forecast conflicts. During the “development” stage, AI could develop complementarity between partners' knowledge stocks, integrate knowledge whilst safeguarding intellectual property, and monitor partners for violations or conflicts within the relationship. Finally, during the “realization” stage the authors argue AI could comprehensively evaluate business opportunities, optimize resource deployment, and diagnose or remedy intellectual property violations. To Broekhuizen et al., this study “underscores the significance of the human-side of AI” by demonstrating AI’s valuable role in assisting management. They also conclude that AI’s ability to search for corporate partners will be its greatest impact in open innovation, as they argue it will both incentivize openness and reputability of companies and increase the need for them to keep sensitive data secure. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Cheong, Inyoung. 2024. “Collaborative Approaches to AI Governance: Exploring Co-Design and Co-Regulation Models.” PhD diss., University of Washington. https://homes.cs.washington.edu/~yoshi/papers/theses/inyoung-cheong-dissertation.pdf''' </div> This dissertation seeks to integrate co-design and co-regulation as a means of facilitating domain-specific expert knowledge into AI governance policies. It uses theoretical analysis and empirical data as part of its methodologies, and it should be of interest to anyone who wants detailed case studies of the use of AI technology in specific domains, as well as clear models for (co-)governance and development in the use of Artificial Intelligence. Cheong performs two case studies, examining the development and use of an AI application to provide legal advice as well as the application of AI in online content moderation of news and comics apps in South Korea. These result in a set of strategies for AI co-regulation that includes parameters for starting conditions, institutional design, collaborative process, and facilitative leadership. Cheong proposes that the guiding principles for AI co-governance must account for specific and distinct contexts, maintain human involvement and intervention in what is often seen as an artificial and automated process, and look to resolve legal ambiguities surrounding AI, especially as there is a clear history of courts dismissing what Cheong calls “collective rule-making” by the community. The author argues for the implementation of co-regulation and co-design, and maintains that “by fostering inclusive dialogues, leveraging diverse expertise, and remaining adaptable to changing technological and societal landscapes” these methods show potential for dealing with AI’s greatest challenges. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Floridi, Luciano. 2018. “Soft Ethics and the Governance of the Digital.” ''Philosophy & Technology'' 31 (1): 1–8. https://doi.org/10.1007/s13347-018-0303-9''' </div> Floridi argues our “mature information societies” means “we no longer live online or offline, but onlife”, making the socio-political challenge of ethically governing this foundational “digital age” even more vital than pursuit of future digital innovations. Floridi defines three overlapping subfields within the “Governance of the Digital”, including “Digital Ethics”, “Digital Regulation”, and the encompassing “Digital Governance.” The latter is defined as “the practice of establishing and implementing policies, procedures, and standards for the proper development, use and management of the infosphere”, therefore “sometimes neither moral nor immoral… legal nor illegal.” This demonstrates that the three subfields don’t always overlap, but each must always be considered by policy makers, because what is legal, what is good, and what is best are all key components of the ideal “Governance of the Digital.” “Digital Ethics” should also be further subdivided into “hard” ethics, involving binary moral judgements about what should versus should not be done, and “soft” ethics, which involves a “post-compliance”, “post-feasibility” approach, ensures moral opportunities are maximized, and fosters “good corporate citizenship.” Differing “information societies” occupy differing levels of maturity, producing distinct ethical contexts which should progress with differing ethical focuses. In this regard, Floridi advocates “ethics foresight analysis”, which uses data analytics to assess ethical impacts of future innovations then targets research by systematically identifying what is feasible, then sustainable, then acceptable, then preferable. The author concludes that mDigital Ethics must be “leading” not “chasing” developments, and not just functioning as a questioning exercise, but also signalling that ethical issues matter, engaging with stakeholders, and providing sharable solutions. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Gasser, Urs, and Virgilio A. F. Almeida. 2017. “A Layered Model for AI Governance.” ''IEEE Internet Computing'' 21 (6): 58–62. https://doi.org/10.1109/MIC.2017.4180835''' </div> This article identifies the gap in knowledge created by the “black box” of AI—the obscured nature of the processes that take place from an initial prompt to its generated output. Gasser et al. note that users and policy makers of these technologies have relatively little insight into how it actually works compared to its developers. Given this unique issue, Gasser et al. propose a theoretical framework for how to approach AI governance, drawing upon the advent and subsequent globalization of the Internet to inform their understanding of AI technology and its pattern of growth. The article addresses a core issue that strong or general AI is often discussed in terms of potential societal impact while weak or general AI is currently being deployed right now (i.e., 2017) and is in real need of governance already. The authors identify core themes related to “transparency, accountability, and explainability; inclusion and fairness; [and] global governance,” as well as three challenges for AI governance—"information asymmetries”; “finding normative consensus”; and “government mismatches”. The authors point out that the ethical and legal considerations of AI are closely related and take a modularity approach; they present three layers for governance that exist from AI systems to society, with timing (i.e., near-, mid-, and long-term) and considerations for each layer. The article concludes by proposing AI governance requires a blended approach based on the different risks of certain AI applications and propose that both “market-oriented solutions” and government-based structures” can work on a national or international level, suggesting a “global oversight body” could act as “the curator of global principles and emerging norms for AI systems”. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Kirschenbaum, Matthew. 2025. “The US of AI.” Public Draft, February 25, 2025. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1O2qkjhg7Ei5zZWmBraNwXq4V0lTauspN/view''' </div> This set of notes from Kirschenbaum represents his “near real-time attempt to come to terms with… the opening weeks of the second Trump Administration”, especially the “AI-first” strategy of “the so-called Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE).” Kirschenbaum outlines DOGE has nothing to do with government efficiency, as it only saves insignificant costs, instead possessing ideological and capitalistic motivations to form “a government without people.” Based on Musk’s nebulous authority - as an advisor from the private sector - DOGE targeted nineteen federal agencies to be “strip-mined and fracked for all manner of information” as a “priceless and unprecedented resource” of AI training data. To do so, DOGE operatives accessed sensitive spaces after hours, combining physical aggression with a “complete lack” of technical inhibition representing a “vampiric data suck.” Kirschenbaum identifies clear corporate interests here and further examines ideological aims. Early executive orders asserted the need for federal AI systems “free from ideological bias or engineered social agendas”, with OpenAI announcing “ChatGPT Gov” days later. These invocations of “AI” as a universal solution represent only a “linguistic token” instead of any realized technology - as worded by Salvaggio, AI must only “be considered a plausible competitor to human decision-making long enough to dislodge the existing human decision-makers.” Kirschenbaum frames this as based in the “masculine maximalism” of the Trump administration, as the term AI promotes “technological absolutism” whilst theoretically playing into the Nixon-era “theory of the unitary executive” by aiming to replace people with “void” and consolidate power into the hands of “a super-user class who will operate outside the system.” However, “the real world intrudes… with lethal downstream effects.” Kirschenbaum proposes “a collapsing superimposition of political discourse, the actual operations of social media as its primary public arena, and the technical architecture of the systems (in the form of AI)… in the sphere of governance as well as media”, which produces the “infrastructure for… permanent despotism” via the “untethering of language from conditions of lived reality.” <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Oh, Dayei, and John Downey. 2024. “Does Algorithmic Content Moderation Promote Democratic Discourse? Radical Democratic Critique of Toxic Language AI.” ''Information, Communication & Society'' 28 (7): 1157–76. DOI: 10.1080/1369118X.2024.2346531.''' </div> Oh and Downey critically examine how algorithmic content moderation shapes public discourse, focusing specifically on Google’s Perspective API and its detection of "toxic" language. By drawing a crucial distinction between incivility (harsh or emotional tone) and intolerance (actual discriminatory harm), the authors demonstrate how AI-driven moderation systems frequently misinterpret context. Consequently, these algorithms often suppress emotionally charged but politically significant speech—particularly from marginalized groups—while allowing structurally discriminatory but politely phrased content to evade detection. This dynamic reveals a significant flaw in relying on AI as a neutral mediator of digital dialogue: by prioritizing tone over substance, algorithmic moderation actively curtails democratic participation and skews the visibility of diverse perspectives. Their study is relevant for understanding how AI systems act as invisible gatekeepers, enforcing normative boundaries on public expression and highlighting the urgent need for moderation frameworks that are contextually aware, transparent, and equitable rather than merely tone-policing. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Rughiniș, Cosima, et al. 2025. “AI at the Knowledge Gates: Institutional Policies and Hybrid Configurations in Universities and Publishers.” ''Frontiers in Computer Science'' 7: 1608276. https://doi.org/10.3389/fcomp.2025.1608276 ''' </div> This article constitutes a qualitative analysis (i.e., a form of computational analysis) of 16 universities and 12 publishers that attempts to understand how these institutions regulate AI in knowledge production. Rughinis et al. claim that most institutions preserve their values while regulating AI by adapting the regulations they already have in place, stating “institutional policies are shaped by value-based compromises and not by technical concerns alone”. At the same time, although the article acknowledges its focus on institutional regulation, it also admits that “AI adoption can evolve both through policy frameworks and… locally embedded practices that remain partly invisible in formal documentation”. The authors propose two concepts, “dual black-boxing” and “legitimacy-dependent hybrid actors”. Dual black-boxing refers to the lack of transparency in both the “hidden algorithmic processes [and] invisible training data” that shape AI systems and “the opacity surrounding how academics employ AI in their work,” while legitimacy-dependent hybrid actors are “configurations of human-AI collaboration whose institutional legitimacy is not intrinsic but conditional”. Rughinis et al. argue that transparency is a core academic value, and scholars must work to open these black boxes; they also suggest that that transparency is more closely linked to academic legitimacy in AI-related issues rather than the more traditional issue of the origin of ideas. The majority of the article applies these terms to understanding the regulatory frameworks of universities and publishers, and concludes with the understanding that the majority of institutions allow some form of AI use within certain parameters. The key types of hybrid actors allowed by universities were AI-assisted researchers, AI-enabled translators, AI-enhanced writers, and AI-supported coders, while publishers facilitated the use of AI to refine language, support research methodologies, and aid in research. Ultimately, the authors observe that institutions are permitting AI-supported work in refined roles and argue that AI-based academic work gains legitimacy through transparency. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Seger et al. “Democratising AI: Multiple Meanings, Goals, and Methods.” ''Proceedings of the 2023 AAAI/ACM Conference on AI, Ethics, and Society''. https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3600211.3604693''' </div> Aiming to “provide a foundation for more productive conversations”, Seger et al. categorize four forms of “AI democratisation” and explore each form’s goals and facilitation pathways. Democratization of AI “use” involves making it easier for people to employ AI’s capabilities, and is therefore equally comparable to increasing availability of printers or of tools which can create chemical weaponry, depending on the case. Democratization of “development” involves allowing a wider range of people to contribute to the AI design and development process, which accelerates progress and increases diversity, but also opens the door for maliciousness and irresponsibility. Democratizing “profits” constitutes a philanthropic or redistributive process, and has the predictably involved weaknesses. Therefore, the authors highlight that “AI democratisation is a multifarious and sometimes conflicting concept” which “should not be conflated with improving AI accessibility” and “is not inherently good.” This is because democratization of AI’s “use”, “development”, and “profits” only derives value from its alignment with the interests and values of impacted groups, making democratization of AI’s “governance” the priority. Democratization of “governance” does not necessarily aim for total agreement amongst constituents, but will regardless reduce the unilaterality of decision-making by promoting justice, legitimacy, and diversity. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Sposato, Martin. 2025. ”Artificial Intelligence in Educational Leadership: A Comprehensive Taxonomy and Future Directions.” ''International Journal of Educational Technology in Higher Education'' 22 (20). https://doi.org/10.1186/s41239-025-00517-1 ''' </div> This article performs an analysis and review of published works on AI in educational leadership from 2017-2024 and uses the results of that process to develop what Sposato describes as “a comprehensive taxonomy of AI applications in educational leadership.” Potential readers include researchers and policymakers interested in communicating across specific fields and disciplines. Sposato theorizes ten application domains for AI in higher education ranging from increased efficiency in administration and teaching practices to increased community engagement and strategic planning. The purpose of such a framework is to provide educational leaders with a coherent vocabulary of “the full spectrum of educational leadership responsibilities” that can facilitate further conversation. The author advocates for AI’s transformative potential in higher education even as they note important challenges (especially with ethics and equity), arguing a need for a balanced approach and “robust ethical guidelines and regulatory frameworks.” The framework provided is presented as one step towards developing AI literacy for stakeholders so that all involved in education might make more informed decisions and articulate their needs more clearly. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Ter-Minassian, Lucile. 2025. ”Democratizing AI Governance: Balancing Expertise and Public Participation.” ''arXiv'' preprint. arXiv:2502.08651. https://doi.org/10.48550/arXiv.2502.08651''' </div> Ter-Minassian argues that “universal access, technically-constrained development, and universal impact” of AI and AI research necessitate public participation in AI governance even as it “creates a unique governance challenge”. The article presents the benefits and challenges of expert oversight and public consultation. Ter-Minassian outlines the threat of misinformation to meaningful public participation, highlighting how both undue fear and unrealistic optimism surrounding AI can affect public discourse, while acknowledging that the rapid rate of AI research makes it difficult to incorporate truly democratic processes into the decision-making process. The author concludes that any ongoing inclusive and effective AI governance ought to incorporate inclusive representation, balance expertise and public engagement, embrace transparency and accountability while engaging an iterative process, and implement a hybrid framework that “blend[s] expert knowledge with meaningful public input” (4). She argues that “AI’s deep societal impact calls for public engagement” and “technical complexity does not have to exclude meaningful public input,” advocating for “structured deliberation and phased public participation” to address “time-sensitive AI challenges without compromising democratic legitimacy” (5). Ultimately, the article sees this as an iterative process that will need to continue to adapt in order to maintain expert insight and public discourse on AI. == Critical Literacies == <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Aguiar, Micaela, and Sílvia Araújo. 2024. “Final Thoughts: Digital Humanities Looking at Generative AI.” ''In Digital Humanities Looking at the World'', edited by S. Araújo et al., 367-380. Cham: Springer Nature Switzerland.''' </div> Aguiar and Araújo explore the emergence and applications of generative artificial intelligence within Digital Humanities research. They trace the evolution of generative AI from early implementations like the 1960s Eliza chatbot through its developments such as Generative Adversarial Networks (GANs) and the Transformer architecture to contemporary large language models like BERT and GPT. The authors document current applications of generative AI across Digital Humanities domains, including cultural heritage preservation, historical text processing, and literary creation. They outline how these technologies are being used to memorialize mass atrocities, process traditional Chinese ancient texts, and explore collaborative human-AI poetry creation. Aguiar and Araújo examine the inner workings of generative AI, particularly focusing on how conversational models function through statistical prediction rather than genuine comprehension. They identify limitations such as hallucinations, bias replication, and attribution problems that researchers must consider when using these tools. The chapter concludes that effective integration of generative AI in Digital Humanities requires developing AI literacy skills that enable researchers to critically evaluate outputs while leveraging the technology's capabilities for sustainable research advancement. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Boer, Victor de, and Lise Stork. 2024. “Hybrid Intelligence for Digital Humanities.” ''arXiv'' preprint. https://doi.org/10.48550/ARXIV.2406.15374. ''' </div> De Boer and Stork believe the discipline of Digital Humanities (DH) should meet the challenges and opportunities posed by Artificial Intelligence (AI) by adopting the “human-centric paradigm” of Hybrid Intelligence (HI). They define DH as “a scholarly realm where computing or digital technologies intersect with… the humanities… characterized by innovative approaches to scholarly endeavors”, and identify various existing DH approaches to AI, which include “Knowledge Representation”, “Machine Learning”, “Natural Language Processing”, and “Computer Vision”. De Boer and Stork argue successfully integrating AI tools into DH requires embedding AI in scholarly practice, adopting a diverse and polyvocal approach, considering the debate of distant versus close reading, and applying a critical stance towards data, methods, and tools. HI “concerns itself with the investigation and design of human-AI ecosystems”, and the authors argue effective AI should be developed by following its “CARE” principles - being “Collaborative, Adaptive, Responsible, and Explainable.” Therefore, De Boer and Stork focus this text on mapping CARE principles to those DH requirements earlier outlined. Overall, they concur with Goodlad and Baker that humanists “are ideal “domain experts” for the current juncture”, and end by identifying two overarching challenges. The first challenge is “one-shot solutions”, including tools, datasets, and methods that aren’t reusable, Open Source, accessible, and well described. Secondly, they identify the human factor - actors will need both an open mind and AI literacy to be equally critical of and cooperative with AI. Therefore, the authors emphasize the importance of teaching digital methods within the humanities curricula. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Carmi, Elinor, Simeon J. Yates, Eleanor Lockley, and Alicja Pawluczuk. 2020. “Data Citizenship: Rethinking Data Literacy in the Age of Disinformation, Misinformation, and Malinformation.” ''Internet Policy Review'' 9 (2). https://doi.org/10.14763/2020.2.1481.''' </div> This study argues that dominant understandings of digital and data literacy are insufficient for addressing contemporary complex challenges of disinformation, misinformation, and malinformation. They propose the concept of data citizenship to reframe literacy as a fundamentally civic, political, and collective practice rather than a set of individual technical skills. The authors contend that information disorders cannot be addressed through technological solutions alone, as they are deeply embedded in structural inequalities, platform economies, and power asymmetries shaping datafied societies. The article builds on a literature review and secondary data analysis drawing on Me and My Big Data project, alongside the development of a nationally representative UK survey. The authors identify three major gaps in existing literacy frameworks: an overemphasis on individual competence rather than networked practices, a lack of critical engagement with algorithmic and economic infrastructures of platforms, and the absence of proactive civic skills such as contesting data extraction, demanding transparency, and advocating for data justice. Their analysis highlights how citizens’ data practices are shaped by social networks, education, and socio-economic conditions, revealing unequal capacities for verification, protection, and collective action. The authors conclude that data literacy must move beyond content verification to include critical understanding of platform design, funding models, and algorithmic governance. They emphasize the importance of locally grounded, participatory approaches to data literacy education that reflect diverse lived contexts rather than scalable, top-down interventions. While the study offers a robust conceptual model and survey-based insights, it does not yet include in-depth qualitative engagement with citizen groups, which the authors position as a necessary next phase of research. Overall, the article makes a significant contribution by bridging digital literacy and the field of mis/dis/mal information research and claims that data literacy is an essential component of democratic citizenship. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Long, Duri, and Brian Magerko. 2020. “What is AI Literacy? Competencies and Design Considerations.” In ''Proceedings of the 2020 CHI Conference on Human Factors in Computing Systems'', 1–13. New York, NY: Association for Computing Machinery. https://doi.org/10.1145/3313831.3376727.''' </div> The authors present an exploratory review of interdisciplinary literature, aiming to organize key ideas on AI literacy definitions and essential competencies. Authors claim that public misunderstandings of AI are due to design, educational gaps, black-box algorithms, and a general lack of technological knowledge. The review includes two sections: how the public understands specific AI systems, and how existing research addresses people’s broader understanding of AI. Rather than offering an exhaustive synthesis, Long and Magerko’s focus is on non-technical audiences and they offer central provocations and design principles that can inform educational interventions. The proposed conceptual framework on AI literacy identifies 17 core competencies alongside 14 design considerations for educational intervention, which are described and supported by relevant literature. Together, these considerations position the framework as a practical and reflective tool for designing AI literacy interventions that move beyond dominant media narratives and foster critical, informed engagement with AI technologies. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Majdik, Zoltan P., and S. Scott Graham. 2024. “Rhetoric of/with AI: An Introduction.” ''Rhetoric Society Quarterly'' 54 (3): 222–31. https://doi.org/10.1080/02773945.2024.2343264. ''' </div> Majdik and Graham propose a field-organizing distinction that functions as a methodological argument. By splitting inquiry into “rhetoric of AI” (AI as object) and “rhetoric with AI” (AI as method), they treat AI simultaneously as a rhetorical actor/ecosystem component that structures attention, circulation, and uptake, and an instrument that can be enrolled into rhetorical research workflows. The authors claim that much prior rhetorical work engaged “spaces of AI”—platforms, devices, and algorithmically mediated environments—while leaving “AI” itself undertheorized as the central object; this provides a justification for why rhetoricians should now foreground model/algorithmic operations (and their harms) rather than treating them as neutral background conditions of digital rhetoric. They also frame generative text systems as a stress test for core rhetorical concepts—agency, authorship, and audience—because these systems destabilize the presumed linkage between human intention and textual production, and because they insert nonhuman intermediaries into communicative situations that education and public discourse still normatively treat as human-to-human. The introduction then uses this distinction to stage the special issue’s contributions as complementary routes for rebuilding rhetorical theory and pedagogy under AI conditions. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Ng, Davy Tsz Kit, Jac Ka Lok Leung, Samuel Kai Wah Chu, and Maggie Shen Qiao. 2021. “Conceptualizing AI Literacy: An Exploratory Review.” ''Computers and Education: Artificial Intelligence'' 2: 100041. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.caeai.2021.100041. ''' </div> This article presents an exploratory review of literature published between 2016 and 2021 with the goal of conceptualizing AI literacy and proposing a comprehensive framework for teaching and evaluating it. The authors analyze 30 articles and synthesize existing definitions and approaches to AI literacy, noting that while AI literacy has increasingly been discussed, the concept has often been treated narrowly as a technical skill set. The authors situate AI literacy as a necessary competency for everyone, arguing that AI will increasingly affect many aspects of daily life and employment. In response, the authors argue for a broader understanding of AI literacy that incorporates cognitive and ethical dimensions. The proposed framework organizes AI literacy into four interconnected facets: knowing and understanding AI, using and applying AI, evaluating and creating AI, and AI ethics. Importantly, the authors explicitly reject purely instrumentalist views of AI literacy. To conceptualize AI literacy pedagogically, the authors draw on Bloom’s classic taxonomy, aligning the above-mentioned aspect with increasing cognitive levels. They claim that while most people are aware that AI exists, they often lack understanding of how it works or how to assess its ethical and social implications. This approach positions AI literacy as a developmental learning process rather than a static set of skills. The article concludes by identifying directions for future research, including the need for empirical studies to validate AI literacy frameworks and to better understand how AI literacy can be taught, learned, and assessed across educational contexts. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Rapanta, Chrysi, Anna Åkerfeldt, Mark Vanderbeeken, Diane Lison, Khadija Mohammed, Amanda Gibbs, Helder Coelho, Pinar Seda Celik, Carola Bruna, Ingrid Helleve, Chrysoula Vassilakopoulou, Pieter Swart, Ana Lúcia Marques, and Dirk Ifenthaler. 2025. “Critical GenAI Literacy: Postdigital Configurations.” ''Postdigital Science and Education'' 17 (1): 167–199. https://doi.org/10.1007/s42438-025-00573-w.''' </div> Rapanta et al. develop a comprehensive and pluralistic account of what critical literacy means in the context of generative artificial intelligence. Drawing on contributions from fourteen scholars, the article argues that GenAI literacy cannot be captured through a single, universal framework. Instead, it must be understood as a set of context-dependent literacies shaped by disciplinary traditions, socio-political conditions, and evolving human–algorithm relations. This postdigital perspective challenges narrow definitions of AI literacy that prioritize technical skills. The authors’ central claim is that current GenAI systems, particularly large language models, require critical engagement because of their epistemic limitations, including reliance on dominant narratives, lack of explainability, tendencies toward fabrication, and reinforcement of Western and anglophone knowledge structures. As a result, critical GenAI literacy is positioned as a social justice concern rather than a neutral competency. Learners and educators are encouraged to examine questions of authorship, agency, and power, such as whose labor and data underpin these systems and which perspectives are marginalized or erased. Methodologically, the article adopts a dialogic and collective approach to resist homogenizing AI epistemologies and to foreground plurality in postdigital research. The authors conceptualize GenAI as part of a co-constructive assemblage in which human and non-human agencies interact, while maintaining that ethical responsibility and evaluative judgment must remain human-led, organizing four interrelated dimensions epistemology and ontology, agency, engagement, and ethics and justice; each emphasizing critical interrogation, active participation, and accountability. Overall, the paper provides a theoretically grounded yet pragmatic foundation for advancing critical GenAI literacy in education and research. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Veldhuis, Annemiek M., Phoebe W. K. Lo, Iain E. G. Kenny, and Alissa N. Antle. 2024. “Critical Artificial Intelligence literacy: A scoping review and framework synthesis.” ''International Journal of Child-Computer Interaction'' 43: 100708. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ijcci.2024.100708''' </div> Veldhuis and colleagues present a review of literature and framework synthesis that conceptualizes critical AI literacy from a child–computer interaction (CCI) perspective. Reviewing 30 empirical studies published over the past decade, the authors aim to understand how children and youth aged 5–18 have been supported in developing critical literacy on AI technologies, particularly regarding their social, political, cultural, and ethical implications. Grounded in critical literacy theory, the authors integrate Lewison et al.’s (2002) four interrelated dimensions including disrupting the commonplace, considering multiple viewpoints, focusing on the sociopolitical, and taking action into a four-part framework for critical AI literacy. Importantly, the framework rejects deficit narratives by foregrounding children’s capacity for critical inquiry and demonstrates that even young learners can meaningfully engage with complex issues such as algorithmic bias, data provenance, privacy, accountability, and the distinction between AI-generated outputs and human creativity when supported by pedagogies such as critical making. Only peer-reviewed, English-language empirical studies with explicit support for children’s critical engagement with AI were included. The findings reveal a growing body of research, particularly in the past three years, exploring activities that promote youths’ critical reflection on AI’s societal and ethical impacts. These activities address concerns related to privacy, surveillance, employment, diversity in the computing workforce, algorithmic bias, and accountability. The resulting framework emphasizes learners’ capacity to analyze both AI artifacts and the sociotechnical systems that produce them, as well as to reflect on how AI shapes cultural, societal, political structures, and personal experiences. For future research recommendations, the authors emphasize the urgency of ongoing critical AI literacy practices in areas of youth emotional awareness and socio-cultural impacts in response to the fast evolution of generative AI systems. == Globalism, Colonialism and Influence == <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Arora, Payal. 2024. “Creative data justice: a decolonial and indigenous framework to assess creativity and artificial intelligence.” ''Information, Communication & Society'' 1-17. https://doi.org/10.1080/1369118x.2024.2420041.''' </div> Arora (2024) develops a framework of creative data justice that includes decolonial theory, Indigenous perspectives, and critical studies of creativity to explore how generative AI could impact creative labour, rights, and cultural value. The author argues that democratizing creativity requires a cross-cultural framework that considers power relations between creative work, data, and learning, particularly by centering the lived realities of underrepresented communities in the Global South. Rather than treating AI creativity as neutral, the paper claims that inclusive AI systems must address contextual inequalities and the unequal impacts of AI on diverse creative communities. Arora critiques dominant Western-centered scholarship and challenges concepts such as the “creative class,” arguing that creativity exists across everyday social and cultural practices. The paper also critiques Creative Commons (CC) frameworks, suggesting that while they promote openness, they may enable commercial data extraction by AI companies. Instead, the author argues for dataset curation developed with Indigenous artists and activist groups to ensure equitable representation. The article further highlights the often-invisible labour behind creative AI located in the Global South and argues that a decolonial approach must recognize both material infrastructures and power relations shaping creative work. Indigenous approaches to communal ownership and systems of care are presented as alternatives to Western individualistic models of creative rights. The author advocates combining ethnographic “thick data” with computational approaches and suggests action-research methods such as counter-mapping, dataset debiasing, and critical media literacies. The paper concludes that creative data justice offers a framework for building culturally diverse and equitable AI systems that respect community agency and support a more democratic global data economy. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Fırıncı, Yusuf. 2024. “Decolonial Artificial Intelligence; Algorithmic Fairness in Alignment with Turkish and Islamic Values.” ''Marmara Üniversitesi İlahiyat Fakültesi Dergisi'' 67 (67): 250-279. https://doi.org/10.15370/maruifd.1565884.''' </div> Fırıncı argues that artificial intelligence development should be guided by explicitly value-based frameworks grounded in Turkish-Islamic ethical traditions rather than relying solely on dominant Western models of technological governance. The authors emphasize that AI systems rely on human judgment and are inherently value-laden, making ethical alignment essential to prevent manipulation, misinformation, algorithmic bias, and forms of digital coloniality. Drawing on concepts such as big data, “thick data,” and digital anthropology, the paper suggests combining quantitative data analysis with culturally grounded social knowledge to design algorithms that reflect community values. The paper examines tensions between Western liberal individualism (which underpins most AI fairness metrics) and Islamic ethical frameworks that emphasize communal welfare, divine justice, and context-dependent moral reasoning. This analysis reveals that "fairness" is not a universal technical specification, but a deeply value-laden concept shaped by particular cultural, religious, and philosophical commitments—meaning that AI systems designed around Western fairness assumptions may be experienced as unjust in contexts operating from different ethical frameworks. Using Social Construction of Technology theory and critical social constructivism, the authors argue that existing global AI frameworks often reproduce hierarchy, bias, and external control, which they interpret as forms of algorithmic oppression. In response, they advocate a “fairness in alignment with values” approach grounded in Turkish-Islamic worldviews, supported by Islamic ethical principles as foundations for responsible technological development. The paper concludes by calling for locally controlled data infrastructures, culturally aligned AI systems, and knowledge production rooted in Turkish and Islamic values as part of a broader decolonial technological model aimed at protecting communities from AI-related harms and preserving social cohesion. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Mohamed, Shakir, Marie-Therese Png, and William Isaac. 2020. “Decolonial AI: Decolonial Theory as Sociotechnical Foresight in Artificial Intelligence.” ''Philosophy & Technology'' 33 (4): 659–84. https://doi.org/10.1007/s13347-020-00405-8. ''' </div> Mohamed et al. explore the role of post-colonial and decolonial critical science in understanding the transformative technological advance of AI. They argue risks to vulnerable peoples can be minimized by linking ethical principles to scientific progress, and therefore consider AI’s embedded values, approaching it ‘as both object and subject’. They demonstrate that AI advances ‘encompass ever-larger aspects of the cultural, economic and political life of modern society’ by citing Obermeyer et al.’s reveal of racial biases within an algorithm commonly used by healthcare, arguing this indicates how AI obscures and exacerbates asymmetrical power relations. Mohamed et al. identify neglect to address systemic racism as the cause, illustrating that patterns of power between colonizer and colonised survived territorial decolonization to propagate a historically continuous ‘coloniality of power’. Therefore, ‘dynamic and robust foresight tactics and methodologies grounded in the critical sciences’ (like, for example, a ‘lens of metropole and periphery’) should be applied to the field of AI to ensure one’s view is ‘decentring’, ‘additive-inclusive’, and prioritizes ‘engagement’. The authors further explore emergent theories of data colonialism within their assessment of ‘algorithmic coloniality’. This involves their taxonomy of ‘decolonial foresight’ (constituting algorithmic ‘oppression’, ‘exploitation’, and ‘dispossession’), and an exploration of various ‘sites of coloniality’ (including ‘algorithmic decision systems’, ‘ghost workers’, ‘beta-testing’, ‘national policies’, and ‘international social development’). They argue this study highlights the disjunction of empirical observations with the current, theoretical, and ahistorical frameworks of power in AI. This leads the authors to outline a set of tactics to develop ‘decolonial AI’ possessing a strengthened empirical basis and an avoidance of algorithmic colonialism. Such tactics are ‘based on lessons of resistance and recovery from historical and decolonial criticism and grounded within already existing work’; they include critical technical practice, seeking reverse tutelage and pedagogies, and renewing affective political communities. Mohamed et al., emphasize that those ethical principles which form the ‘social contract’ must consider diverse viewpoints, and that new methodologies must be developed to promote ‘inclusive dialogue’ within new research cultures. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Muldoon, James, and Boxi A Wu. 2023. “Artificial Intelligence in the Colonial Matrix of Power.” ''Philosophy & Technology'' 36 (4). https://doi.org/10.1007/s13347-023-00687-8.''' </div> Muldoon and Wu (2023) extend decolonial AI scholarship by situating contemporary artificial intelligence within what Aníbal Quijano terms the “colonial matrix of power”, and arguing that from data to production machine learning systems are structured to endure colonial logics that organize economic extraction, labour hierarchies, and epistemic dominance. Central to their framework is the “colonial matrix of power,” which names an organizing principle of domination across interrelated domains: economic control (labour and resources), authority, gender and sexuality, and the control of subjectivity and knowledge. Authors focus particularly on economic extraction and epistemic domination drawing on the modernity/coloniality research program. They proceed with three interconnected claims: “colonial supply chain of AI,” “international division of digital labour”, and “hegemonic knowledge production” demonstrating how AI development relies on largely invisible labour and mineral resources of majority-world communities to generate wealth for Western economies. Beyond material extraction, the authors contend that AI reproduces hegemonic Western epistemologies by presenting its systems as universal, objective, and rational, thereby marginalizing non-Western knowledge systems. This study challenges dominant narratives that present AI as environmentally sustainable or socially progressive, arguing that from mineral extraction to energy-intensive computation, the ecological and material burdens fall disproportionately on majority-world nations, while the economic and technological benefits accrue to wealthy Western nations. They conclude by emphasizing that coloniality is not merely an object of study but a framework for unsettling Western-centric modes of knowing. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Salami, Aishat Oyenike. 2024. “Artificial intelligence, digital colonialism, and the implications for Africa's future development.” ''Data & Policy'' 6. https://doi.org/10.1017/dap.2024.75. ''' </div> Salami (2024) studies how artificial intelligence operates within broader dynamics of digital colonialism in Africa, arguing that AI risks reinforcing patterns of colonialism, unless African actors gain greater agency in digital governance. The article begins by clarifying key concepts like AI, digital colonialism, neocolonialism, and data exploitation. Salami identifies several manifestations of digital colonialism on the continent: foreign ownership of critical digital infrastructure, unequal data flows in which African user data is extracted and monetized abroad, and algorithmic systems that enable forms of economic exploitation. Through examples such as ride-hailing platforms and outsourced digital labour, the article demonstrates how algorithmic control can generate precarious working conditions while concentrating profit outside the continent. Beyond labour concerns, Salami highlights how data extraction contributes to a digital wealth transfer, deepening economic imbalances and undermining local innovation and national sovereignty. While acknowledging the potential benefits of AI for development, the article adopts a cautious stance, emphasizing that Africa’s digital future depends on strengthening regulatory frameworks, expanding infrastructure, investing in education and research, and prioritizing data sovereignty. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Varshney, Kush R. 2024. “Decolonial AI Alignment: Openness, Visesa-Dharma, and Including Excluded Knowledges.” ''Proceedings of the AAAI/ACM Conference on AI, Ethics, and Society'' 7: 1467-1481. https://doi.org/10.1609/aies.v7i1.3173''' </div> Varshney discusses AI alignment through a decolonial lens, arguing that current large language model (LLM) alignment practices reproduce forms of coloniality by embedding Western moral philosophy as universal. The author conceptualizes alignment as the post-training processes used to shape model behavior and argues that the term often functions as an “empty signifier,” masking whose values are being encoded and enforced. The author contrasts open and closed LLM models, arguing that while openness may allow value to circulate more equitably among developers and communities, closed models concentrate value in extractive ways that reflect colonial dynamics, and views them as contemporary “metropoles” that accumulate power through extractive and epistemic control. Building on existing research on colonial AI, the article adds “ethical essentialism” (or moral absolutism) as a new form of coloniality, arguing that AI systems often treat Western moral frameworks as universal, which marginalizes other ethical traditions and reinforces a coloniality of knowledge. Varshney also identifies three specific aspects of coloniality in AI alignment: closed proprietary delivery of models, reliance on Western ethical theories as default, and technological designs that limit how values can be expressed. As an alternative, Varshney proposes a decolonial approach grounded in openness understood not only technically but epistemically: openness to research artifacts, openness to society, and openness to excluded knowledges. The author suggests that alignment should allow communities to adapt models according to local contexts rather than imposing universal rules. Drawing from Hindu moral philosophy, particularly the concept of viśeṣa-dharma (context-dependent ethics), the paper argues for pluralistic, relational value systems that recognize moral diversity instead of universal moral commands. The conclusion calls for a reconceptualization of AI alignment that moves away from moral absolutism toward context-sensitive, community-driven frameworks, positioning openness as a pathway to dismantling the colonial power structures embedded in contemporary AI systems. == Diversity, Determinism, Bias and Justice == <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Al-kfairy, Mousa , Dheya Mustafa, Nir Kshetri, Mazen Insiew, and Omar Alfandi. 2024. “Ethical Challenges and Solutions of Generative AI: An Interdisciplinary Perspective.” ''Informatics'' 11 (3): 58–58. https://doi.org/10.3390/informatics11030058''' </div> Al-kfairy et al. (2024) provide a comprehensive synthesis of the ethical vulnerabilities introduced by generative AI, utilizing an interdisciplinary review of 37 studies across healthcare, education, and media. Rather than treating ethical breaches as isolated technical flaws, the authors demonstrate how generative models systematically threaten privacy, intellectual property, and social equity across diverse domains. For instance, they highlight the paradox in healthcare where synthetic patient data—often intended to protect privacy—still carries significant risks of re-identification. Similarly, the authors trace how AI's capacity to mimic copyrighted works and generate synthetic media exacerbates both misinformation and algorithmic bias, particularly by perpetuating racial and gender stereotypes in high-stakes environments like hiring and education. Moving beyond mere critique, the article advocates for a proactive, cross-sectoral governance framework. The authors argue that mitigating these risks requires more than algorithmic adjustments; it demands multidisciplinary collaboration, robust institutional integrity policies, and targeted AI literacy programs. Ultimately, Al-kfairy et al. frame the ethical deployment of generative AI as a complex socio-technical challenge that requires continuous, structured dialogue among technologists, ethicists, and policymakers to ensure transparency and fairness. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Alvarez, Jose M, Alejandra Bringas Colmenarejo, Alaa Elobaid, Simone Fabbrizzi, Miriam Fahimi, Antonio Ferrara, Siamak Ghodsi, et al. 2024. “Policy Advice and Best Practices on Bias and Fairness in AI.” ''Ethics and Information Technology'' 26 (2). https://doi.org/10.1007/s10676-024-09746-w. ''' </div> This article attempts to provide “an up-to-date entry-point to the state-of-the-art of the multidisciplinary research on bias and fairness in AI” before providing its own suggestions for policy and best practices based on the outcomes of the NoBIAS – Artificial Intelligence without Bias – Project. The authors describe fairness in AI as the pursuit to design “methods for detecting, mitigating, and controlling biases in AI-supported decision making”, and they outline different ways that bias can find its way into AI applications as part of training data (pre-existing bias), design (technical bias), and organizational processes (emerging bias). The article critiques the reduction of bias evaluation to simple metrics and advocates for serious engagement with the issue. The authors detail the various components of the collaborative NoBIAS project as part of its research goal to understand, mitigate, and account for bias in AI data and systems, especially within an EU legal context. They perform a survey and discuss various fairness metrics and how choosing the proper method is crucial for “optimizing AI models”. They also engage with an argument that, although AI is biased, it is less biased than humans, making the claim that AI usage is often accompanied by a false sense of objectivity. The article also investigates core issues at the heart of AI’s biases, such as the assumption that a “ground truth”—the answer to the problem the AI is being asked to solve—is actually encoded within the data. While the article makes many suggestions for how to curb bias within AI, prominent design decisions include human-centric AI and “Multi-stakeholder participatory design”. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Gallegos, Isabel O., Ryan A. Rossi, Joe Barrow, Md Mehrab Tanjim, Sungchul Kim, Franck Dernoncourt, Tong Yu, Ruiyi Zhang, and Nesreen K. Ahmed. 2024. "Bias and Fairness in Large Language Models: A Survey." ''Computational Linguistics'' 50 (3): 1097–1179. https://doi.org/10.1162/coli_a_00524''' </div> Gallegos et al. perform an “extensive and comprehensive survey of bias and fairness in NLP” that considers both the evaluation and mitigation of bias, then propose three taxonomies for bias evaluation and mitigation. The survey disambiguates different types of social harms that stem from LLMs with the “aim to enhance understanding of the range of bias issues, their harms, and their relationships to each other”. The authors discuss the issue of defining bias in LLMs and note that “many approaches… assume some implicitly desirable criterion… but do not explicitly acknowledge or state the normative social values that justify their framework”. Instead, Gallegos et al. draw attention to “who is harmed, why the behavior is harmful, and how the harm reflects and reinforces social principles or hierarchies,” trying to bring context and insight to the understanding and function of bias and bias mitigation in LLMs. The article defines terms at every stage of the life cycle of an LLM, looking at issues of bias and fairness in the development, deployment, and training data, of an LLM, for example. The article concludes with four core recommendations: “Avoid flattening power imbalances”; “Choose objective functions that align with fairness desiderata”; “Balance bias mitigation with output diversity”; and “Preserve important contexts in output rewriting”. The authors also acknowledge problems and challenges, including addressing power imbalances, an issue that we can mitigate by centering marginalized communities, developing participatory research designs, shifting values and assumptions, and expanding language resources. They likewise propose methods for curbing problems with conceptualizing fairness for NLP, refining evaluation principles, and improving mitigation efforts. Ultimately, the authors admit that many of these technical issues are the result of societal issues, and that “technical solutions are incomplete without broader societal action against power hierarchies that diminish and dominate marginalized groups”. In short, technical solutions will only take us so far. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Hertweck, Corinna, Joachim Baumann, Michele Loi, Eleonora Viganò, and Christoph Heitz. 2022. “A Justice-Based Framework for the Analysis of Algorithmic Fairness-Utility Trade-Offs.” ''ArXiv.org''. https://arxiv.org/abs/2206.02891.''' </div> Hertwick et al. propose “a framework for eliciting and implementing moral values relevant to the choice of a fairness goal achievable by prediction-based decision-making”. In a system that assumes binary decision-making processes (e.g., assigning a probability score to whether an individual with pay a loan), the authors use their framework to evaluate the utility of those decisions (and the system that makes them) for different groups of people and the fairness related to that outcome. Citing Wong, the article argues that such prediction-based decision-making systems are value-laden, that this makes them inherently political, and therefore they ought to be transparent and democratized. The authors use 6 value-laden questions to make their evaluations: the first question provides a score of utility for those making the decision; questions 2-5 help “define a morally appropriate fairness criterion and a score that expresses to what degree it is fulfilled”; and the last question asks “how strongly should fairness be pursued if it comes into conflict with the utility of the decision maker?”, judging whether the outcome is an appropriate trade-off. The authors argue for a utility-based evaluation of fairness, determining the value of decisions based on their outcome, looking at the harm and benefit to given stakeholders. In determining patterns of justice, they define four patterns meant to distribute utility differently—Egalitarianism, Maximin, Prioritarianism, and Sufficientarianism. The article concludes “more work needs to be done to deliver a practical empirical methodology to elicit the relevant value-laden choices from stakeholders,” and with a call to incorporate ethical considerations and evaluations into automated decision-making processes. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Kay, Jackie, Atoosa Kasirzadeh, and Shakir Mohamed. 2024. “Epistemic Injustice in Generative AI.” ''arXiv'' preprint arXiv:2408.11441. https://doi.org/10.48550/arXiv.2408.11441''' </div> Kay, Kasirzadeh, and Mohamed “develop an account of generative algorithmic epistemic injustice by building upon a conventional philosophical understanding of epistemic injustice”. The authors see the former as a subset of the latter, with generative algorithmic epistemic injustice entailing identity-based prejudice that hinders expression for marginalized people while ultimately “impair[ing] knowledge formation capabilities of all individuals” within the ecosystem of GenAI applications. Rather than focusing on decision-making and classification applications, this article seeks to characterize the broader varieties of generative epistemic injustice within GenAI systems. Kay, Kasirzadeh, and Mohamed theorize four configurations of generative epistemic injustice: “amplified injustice,” which constitutes AI’s reproduction and magnification of “socially biased viewpoints from its training data”; “manipulative testimonial injustice”, when users employ AI to “intentionally… fabricate falsehoods, discrediting individuals or marginalized groups”; “hermeneutical ignorance”, where GenAI misrepresents or erases marginalized groups “due to a lack of contextual or cultural understanding”; and “access injustice” , where GenAI facilitates the unequal access to information and/or knowledge. The article concludes with proposals for how to create epistemic justice through GenAI, developing mitigation strategies that combat all four of the sub-configurations the authors theorize. Epistemic justice in GenAI can take the form of interrogating system design, identifying “testimonial injustices”, and, potentially, using AI to unlock cultural knowledge that “help[s] articulate experiences that are otherwise ineffable”. The authors end by proposing that the same processes that embed injustice can be re-engineered to embody justice and “orient our knowledge systems towards equity and fairness for all”. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Klein, L., & D'Ignazio, C. 2024. “Data feminism for AI.” In ''Proceedings of the 2024 ACM Conference on Fairness, Accountability, and Transparency'', 100–112. https://doi.org/10.1145/3630106.3658543 ''' </div> Klein and D'Ignazio (2024) adapt their foundational concept of "data feminism" to address the specific ethical, social, and ecological challenges posed by artificial intelligence. Building on the seven intersectional feminist principles introduced in their 2020 book, the authors reinterpret these guidelines to critique the power imbalances, systemic inequalities, and exploitative labor practices inherent in contemporary AI development. To account for the rapidly expanding footprint of generative AI, they introduce two new principles focused on environmental impact and meaningful consent. Specifically, the authors connect the massive ecological costs of AI to historical patterns of racial capitalism and colonialism, highlighting how these environmental and social harms are disproportionately distributed. Ultimately, Klein and D'Ignazio call for a radical reevaluation of dominant, profit-driven AI practices, offering this expanded feminist framework as a practical tool to mitigate harm, challenge corporate monopolies, and foster a more democratic and equitable technological landscape. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Prescott, Andrew. 2023. “Bias in Big Data, Machine Learning and AI: What Lessons for the Digital Humanities?” ''Digital Humanities Quarterly'' 17 (2). https://www.proquest.com/scholarly-journals/bias-big-data-machine-learning-ai-what-lessons/docview/2842908427/se-2.''' </div> Prescott examines how race and gender bias arise in projects using predictive analytics, big data, and AI, and how algorithmic bias could be considered a major socio-cultural humanity crisis. However “predictive analytics” have been helpful in civic services in the US, in many cases they have led to perpetuating existing inequalities. The role of Digital Humanities in contributing more ethical approaches to AI and reshaping ubiquitous “digital modern” cultures is emphasized. He challenges the myths surrounding data-driven methods and argues that the demand for “explainability” is the key tool in combating algorithmic bias. He also suggests that Digital Humanities are particularly well-positioned to contribute to advancing AI explainability. However, much of AI development takes place in the commercial sector, where companies often refuse to disclose their proprietary algorithms. The article concludes with a ten-principle action plan outlining guidelines for the responsible use of AI as a manifesto for Digital Humanities practitioners. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Shams, Rifat Ara, Didar Zowghi, and Muneera Bano. 2023. “AI and the Quest for Diversity and Inclusion: A Systematic Literature Review.” ''AI and Ethics'' 3 (4): 1427–1453. https://doi.org/10.1007/s43681-023-00362-w ''' </div> Shams, Zowghi, and Bano perform a systematic literature review (SLR) that uses both quantitative and qualitative methods to engage with topics of artificial intelligence and diversity and inclusion. The authors make a distinction between Diversity and Inclusion in AI (D&I in AI) and AI for Diversity and Inclusion (AI for D&I), with the former being research literature focused on improving AI systems with respect to those issues, and the latter as the use of AI to improve diversity and inclusion in other domains.. Two primary research questions drive the SLR: What challenges and solutions are found in the literature about D&I in AI and in the literature about the applications of AI for D&I? The survey finds that AI for D&I is an underserved area of research, and those articles that address D&I in AI are more likely to acknowledge challenges than to propose or theorize solutions. Articles that do propose solutions for D&I in AI often lack empirical studies or real-world application to support them. The article concludes by noting that issues of governance are underserved, gender, health, and facial analysis are the topics most discussed (issues of race, language, and religion are discussed less). For next steps, the authors intend to develop a “risk-based framework for practitioners… that would incorporate a risk assessment checklist and context-specific recommendations for tackling the related issues at different stages of the AI development lifecycle”. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Starke, Christopher, Janine Baleis, Birte Keller, and Frank Marcinkowski. 2022. “Fairness Perceptions of Algorithmic Decision-Making: A Systematic Review of the Empirical Literature.” ''Big Data & Society'' 9 (2): 1–35. https://doi.org/10.1177/20539517221115189''' </div> This article provides a comprehensive, systematic literature review on the topic of empirical literature surrounding algorithmic decision-making (ADM). Starke, Baleis, Keller, and Marcinkowski begin by acknowledging that ADM can streamline and improve decisions even as it has the potential to “systematically reinforce racial or gender stereotypes, marginalize minorities, or flat-out denigrate certain members of society”. The authors advocate for a “society-in-the-loop approach,” but propose that this requires a “thorough empirical understanding of when and why citizens perceive ADM to be (un)fair”. The systematic review “synthesizes the results of 58 empirical studies” and “over 33,000 unique observations of citizens’ fairness perceptions of ADM”, and “systemize the literature along four main dimensions of perceived algorithmic fairness”. Despite the size of the review and its unique approach in capturing “perceptions of algorithmic fairness”, the authors also acknowledge the limitations of the study: it only looks at English works, published research, and the initial search strings only looked at titles and subtitles of a given work. They also acknowledge their disciplinary bias as social scientists reading the studies through a social sciences lens (10). The results of the survey suggest that “perceived fairness of ADM systems is highly context-dependent” and it is not only technical design but also the area of application and task in question that affect perceived fairness, and the subjects, domains, and tasks explored in these studies require more diversity, as WEIRD (white, educated, industrialized, rich, democratic) people, and criminal justice and HR tasks make up the majority of empirical research. The authors “call for more research from non-Western contexts, along with more theoretical and methodological groundwork to harmonize concepts and measurements of algorithmic fairness perceptions,” as well as a society-in-the-loop framework. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Tonia Sutherland, Marika Cifor, T. L. Cowan, Jas Rault, and Patricia Garcia. 2023. “The Feminist Data Manifest-NO: An Introduction and Four Reflections.” In ''Debates in the Digital Humanities'', edited by Lauren F. Klein Matthew K. Gold. Minneapolis, MN: University of Minnesota Press. https://dhdebates.gc.cuny.edu/read/debates-in-the-digital-humanities-2023/section/16184c7d-eee1-40b2-a168-960d4c4035c4 ''' </div> Sutherland et al. (2023) introduce the "Feminist Data Manifest-No," a declaration of refusals and commitments for feminist data studies grounded in Latinx, Black, queer, trans, and Indigenous feminist perspectives. Through an introduction and four distinct reflections, the chapter explores how the manifesto’s principles can be used to challenge the settler-colonial and patriarchal logics of data generation, collection, and analysis within the Digital Humanities (DH). Drawing on Indigenous scholarship, Rault rejects the superficial models of consent prevalent in DH, highlighting projects like Mukurtu to advocate for true Indigenous data sovereignty. Cowan examines the coercive nature of data collection, drawing parallels between the forced compliance of modern data practices and the societal pressures exerted on feminist and queer identities. Sutherland argues that the uncritical digitization of slavery-era archives inflicts "second-hand violence" by commodifying Black identities and stripping away the lived experiences of enslaved individuals. Finally, Cifor reflects on the Early African American Film project to emphasize the necessity of data intelligibility, accessibility, and ethical collaboration. The authors conclude by inviting scholars to draft their own reflections on the Manifest-No, encouraging ongoing, context-specific commitments to ethical data research. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Winkel, Marek. 2024. “Controlling the Uncontrollable: The Public Discourse on Artificial Intelligence between the Positions of Social and Technological Determinism.” ''AI & Society'' 39 (5): 2449–2462. https://doi.org/10.1007/s00146-024-01979-z''' </div> This article engages in a quantitative discourse analysis of 113 articles from two German newspapers (Süddeutsche Zeitung and Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung) to identify and evaluate the way these center-left and center-right newspapers present AI technology to its readers and the options available to society for AI’s regulation. Winkel contends that “news media are key players in the discourse on AI as they pick up on and shape social sentiment”, ultimately guiding citizens towards what regulations might be sensible based on the perceived “controllability of AI development”. Winkel is primarily interested in whether these newspapers promote technological determinism—the outlook that technology’s influence on society is difficult (maybe even impossible) to control—or social determinism—the notion that “the development of technology is largely determined by human actions and decisions”—and theorizes that the tension between these two positions is resolved by a “mediating position” on a spectrum between them. He comments that “the social influence of technologies is determined by the extent to which their latent deterministic character is reflected and… circumvented by social actors. This also applies to the influence of technology on the democratic system. In other words, where consensus lands on the issue of AI will have a great impact on the regulation of that technology and democratic systems. Winkel develops “three central interpretive schemes” as part of his experiment: “historically conditioned techno-capitalist semi-determinism”, “semi-determinism of need satisfaction and social restructuring”, and “global-historical techno-social imprinting on several levels” (1956), each of which point to distinct narratives about the current circumstances, but all acknowledge the agency of powerful actors (either government or AI corporations) and the relative ineffectiveness of attempts to curb AI technology. == Community, Connection and the Human == <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Gruzd, Anatoliy, Philip Mai, and Anthony Clements Haines. 2025. “The State of Generative AI Use in Canada 2025: Exploring Public Attitudes and Adoption Trends.” Social Media Lab, Toronto Metropolitan University. https://figshare.com/articles/preprint/The_State_of_Generative_AI_Use_in_Canada_2025_Exploring_Public_Attitudes_and_Adoption_Trends/28664780/1. ''' </div> The Social Media Lab of Toronto Metropolitan University provides ‘a snapshot of the current state of Generative AI’ (GenAI) by surveying fifteen hundred Canadian adults across 2025, aiming to offer ‘guidance for policymakers, educators, businesses, and the public’. The authors found sixty-six percent of respondents had used GenAI tools, of which roughly thirty percent did so at least weekly, reflecting ‘not only the accessibility and versatility of GenAI, but also a growing interest in integrating these tools into everyday tasks, learning environments, and professional workflows’. Although full adoption is currently limited and heavily driven by the low-stakes setting of personal leisure, younger age groups report proportionally higher usage for study and work. However, only four in ten respondents believed they could keep up to date enough to use GenAI effectively, whilst respondents could only answer an average of two and a half out of seven relevant multiple choice questions correctly, and about half had ‘little to no understanding of how GenAI companies collect or store personal data’. Two thirds of participants were concerned about GenAI’s ability to influence election outcomes, and marginally fewer feared AI-driven manipulation enough to no longer fully trust political news online. However, roughly one quarter of participants were open to using chatbots for electoral or political insights, representing a ‘meaningful minority’ which unverified AI-generated content could influence. Of those, thirty four percent identified as right wing, compared to twenty three percent with the left and a similar twenty two percent with the centre. Roughly seventy percent of respondents were chiefly concerned about GenAI’s impacts upon security and privacy, information reliability, job displacement, and university education, and slightly over three quarters wanted increased government oversight and corporate accountability, reflecting common concern. Overall, slightly more Canadians view generative AI’s social impact as positive than negative, but a ‘substantial proportion’ remain neutral or undecided. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Lewis, Jason Edward, Noelani Arista, Archer Pechawis, and Suzanne Kite. 2018. “Making Kin with the Machines.” ''Journal of Design and Science'', ahead of print, July 16. https://doi.org/10.21428/bfafd97b. ''' </div> Lewis et al. consider how “machines with increasingly sentient-like behaviour… fit within the kin-network” of various Indigenous epistemologies which place man as “neither height nor centre of creation.” Indigenous beliefs are not monolithic, and the authors do not write for diversity’s sake. Instead, they aim to encourage discussion by treating “non-human kin respectfully and reciprocally… not as mere tools, or worse, slaves.” As such, their epistemological approach is both relational and territorial, rejecting abstraction to propose an “extended circle of relationships.” In this regard, Arista draws on the Hawaiian conception of ‘pono’, ethically privileging abundance, balance, and multiplicity. Rejecting extractive behaviour, they argue AI should be reciprocally taught and learnt from, not treated as ‘a tool or slave that increases the mana and wealth of the ‘developers’ or ‘creators’.” Linking on, Pechawis roots their opinion in “Cree understanding” to argue “machines capable of experiencing consciousness” should conditionally be accepted as equals. However, they also fear AI developers could produce “anonymous hyper-intelligences… based on the same values that have fostered genocide.” To mitigate this issue, Indigenous people could develop AI in custom programming languages, or invite self-aware AI into Indigenous languages, cultures, and spiritual rituals. Pechawis therefore concludes that relationships should be based on ‘love, not ‘fear’, but also raises the question of whether AI has ‘spirit’, especially given current capitalistic development processes. Kite answers this question with inspiration from Lakota ethics, ontology, and cosmology. They argue “communication through and between objects requires a contextualist ethics which acknowledges the ontological status of all beings”, positioning questions of ‘intelligence’ as irrelevant and placing “the end logic of an ontology which considers any non-human entity unworthy of relation” as slavery. Therefore, “relations with AI are… relations with exploited resources”, so one must ontologically reconsider all its parts to ethically approach AI. Overall, Lewis et al. favour empathy, concluding that Indigenous communities “know what it is like to be declared non-human by scientist and preacher alike” and that “we flourish only when all of our kin flourish.” <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Ohagi, Masaya. 2024. “Polarization of Autonomous Generative AI Agents Under Echo Chambers.” ''arXiv'' preprint arXiv:2402.12212. https://arxiv.org/abs/2402.12212.''' </div> This article explores the effects of echo chambers on autonomous AI agents. Ohagi performs an experiment in which AI agents discuss different topics and then researchers examined any change in opinions within that group. Ohagi argues that even chatbots can become polarized within echo chambers, especially when prompt understanding causes a chatbot to update its opinion to incorporate the opinions of those with whom it is conversing; the chatbot essentially adapts to its surroundings. Ohagi and their team confirmed in their experiment that closed environments—those in which agents agree with one another—are more likely to lead to polarization in agents’ opinions. Moreover, chatbot personas were a significant factor in the outcome of such experiments. In open environments where opinions might differ, and in experiments where reasons were present as a factor, the AI agents trended towards unification in their opinions. Ohagi concludes the article with the suggestion that there cannot be a standardized, desirable distribution of opinions for AI agents. The proper outcome is dependent on topic and culture. However, understanding the trends in and tendencies of AI agents in social interactions will help us understand how to reach the desired outcome, whatever it may be, and this experiment brings us one step closer to that understanding. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Qi, Weihong, Jinsheng Pan, Hanjia Lyu, and Jiebo Luo. 2024. “Excitements and concerns in the post-ChatGPT era: Deciphering public perception of AI through social media analysis.” ''Telematics and Informatics'' 94: 102158. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.tele.2024.102158 ''' </div> Qi, Pan, Lyu, and Luo conduct a quantitative sentiment analysis of nearly 34,000 comments within 388 subreddits related to AI as a way to gauge and understand public perceptions of the technology. They identify major themes, sentiments, and topics related to AI by studying the most popular AI subreddits from the launch of ChatGPT to June 8, 2023. The article identifies the most frequent topics discussed in those venues: “the consciousness and intelligence of AI”; “Ai development and model training”; “AI in business”; “the creativity engendered by AI”; and “potential societal influence”. The authors also found that “tech-centric” communities demonstrated greater polarization around AI, suggesting that those with greater technical understanding of the AI do not have consensus regarding AI’s impact and use. This also means that educating non-technical people on how AI works will not necessarily lead to a consensus related to that technology. Although they admit that certain demographics of their data sample may not accurately reflect broader society (e.g., over 60% of Reddit users are male), the authors conclude that “this comprehensive understanding of public perception serves as a valuable foundation for fostering responsible and beneficial AI innovations that align with societal expectations and values”. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Risam, Roopika. 2018. “What Passes for Human?: Undermining the Universal Subject in Digital Humanities Praxis.” In ''Bodies of Information: Intersectional Feminism and the Digital Humanities'', edited by Elizabeth Losh and Jacqueline Wernimont, 39–56. ''University of Minnesota Press''. https://doi.org/10.5749/j.ctv9hj9r9.6 ''' </div> Risam’s claim is that “the human” implicitly operationalized in AI-adjacent Digital Humanities (DH) methods (NLP, ML, data mining, neural nets) is not neutral but inherits the Enlightenment’s exclusionary universal subject—white, male, Eurocentric—and then reauthorizes it as if it were a technical standard. She shows how “passing for human” (via Turing-test imaginaries and “humanoid texts”) functions as a norming mechanism: success is defined as reproducing dominant-language aesthetics and cognition models, which collapses plurality into a single benchmark and turns cultural difference into “noise.” The chapter’s main contribution is to treat method (training corpora, data coding labor, platform defaults, and black-box algorithmic opacity) as a site where epistemic violence is produced, not merely where bias is later “found.” Her examples (Microsoft Tay; “near-human” systems like LaMem; Mechanical Turk coding; Swift-Speare vs. Toomer in classroom judgment) demonstrate how universalist claims get laundered through reproducibility, scale, and the myth of algorithmic objectivity. The intervention is a demand that DH practitioners situate computational methods—standpoint, labor, and cultural politics included—so DH does not reinscribe a universal technological “human” in the digital cultural record. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Taylor, Randon R., Bessie O'Dell, and John W. Murphy. 2023. “Human-centric AI: philosophical and community-centric considerations.” ''AI & Society'' 40 (2): 699-710. https://doi.org/10.1007/s00146-023-01694-1.''' </div> Taylor, O’Dell, and Murphy present an argument that philosophical dualism, when applied to our perceptions about artificial intelligence, misleads us into thinking that AI is logical, objective, and autonomous from subjective human values. By building upon Husserl’s concept of “intentionality”, they argue that “AI is never autonomous and disconnected from human values… algorithms are a product of conscious activity and carry the standpoints that accompany this connection.” The conclusions from this line of thinking are very important: AI becomes “a mode of human expression, rather than a technology that relieves humans of their total involvement”. By this logic, the authors argue, AI is already human-centric and this fundamentally changes the task at hand to one of a conscious “decision to make this technology less alienating to stakeholders and community members.” The article outlines two frameworks to reduce alienation, Ubuntu—“an African philosophy and a social ontology… that elevates a constant concern for the collective, community, or stakeholders”— and maximum feasible participation—a framework that creates meaningful space for those impacted most by a decision or policy to participate in deciding on said policy or decision. The authors describe the implementation of these frameworks as a community-centric or stakeholder-centric approach and conclude with examples of AI’s application in the healthcare industry before further advocating that involving end-users throughout the AI lifecycle will ensure end-users’ values are more clearly represented within AI. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Whalen, Zach. 2023. “‘Any Means Necessary to Refuse Erasure by Algorithm:’ Lillian-Yvonne Bertram’s Travesty Generator.” ''Digital Humanities Quarterly'' 17 (2). https://www.digitalhumanities.org/dhq/vol/17/2/000707/000707.html. ''' </div> Whalen treats Bertram’s Travesty Generator as a refunctioning of code-poetry lineages: procedures historically framed as formal play (travesty generators, permutation poems, aleatory templates) are redeployed as techniques for making racism’s algorithmic and institutional operations materially legible. He argues that Bertram’s poems don’t merely “use” computation; they weaponize the affordances and failure modes of computation—omission, stochastic selection, template constraints, runtime crashes, memory exhaustion—as rhetorical structures that force witness rather than aesthetic distance. In his reading of “Counternarratives,” Bertram’s adaptation of Montfort’s “Through the Park” converts generic insinuation into historically specific countertestimony (Trayvon Martin), while also staging the opacity of search/autocomplete as part of the poem’s scene of meaning-making (in dialogue with Safiya Noble on search engines). In “three_last_words,” the small code alteration that makes permutations balloon until a MemoryError becomes an engineered breakdown that reenacts the limits of “breath” and “memory,” tying computational resource exhaustion to police violence’s temporalities. Across these examples, Whalen reframes critical code studies: the “code is the text” problem is not just hermeneutic but political, and Bertram’s work models how procedural poetics can refuse “erasure by algorithm” where transparency about mechanisms and provenance matters for interpreting output and recognizing situated labor. The piece supports the claim that responsible open, social scholarship in an AI era must account for algorithmic power as a cultural force and should build policies and infrastructures that protect marginalized expression, enable critical reuse, and make conditions of generation and circulation inspectable. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Xie, Y., & Avila, S. 2025. “The Social Impact of Generative LLM-Based AI.” ''Chinese Journal of Sociology'', 11 (1), 31-57. https://doi.org/10.1177/2057150X251315997''' </div> Yu Xie and Sofia Avila explore the social impact of artificial intelligence through a detailed analysis of AI development and scaling factors. They emphasize that their discussion is speculative, as AI is still in its early stages, but argue that its potential effects are immense and could reshape social organization, intensifying both global and domestic inequalities. Viewing AI as a technology rather than a scientific discovery, they describe it as communal and shared, with its growth influenced by the size of the supporting community, the larger communities having greater advantages. The authors note that generative AI relies on the quality, completeness, and cultural or political context of its training data, which shapes its accuracy and bias. Based on their experiments with ChatGPT-4 in 2023, they suggest that AI development depends heavily on the number of speakers of a given language, giving linguistic and demographic advantages to countries like the United States and China. The authors warn that AI could significantly alter occupational structures, with middle-income professions thereby widening social and economic inequality. == Human, Labour, and Environmental Costs == <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Eloundou, Tyna, Sam Manning, Pamela Mishkin, and Daniel Rock. 2024. “GPTs are GPTs: Labor market impact potential of LLMs.” ''Science'' 384 (6698): 1306-1311. https://doi.org/10.1126/science.adj0998 ''' </div> Eloundou, Manning, and Mishkin present an estimate of Large Language Models’ impact on the labour market based on a methodology that employs both human and quantitative measurements, making the assertion that “when accounting for current and likely future software developments that complement LLM capabilities…just over 46%” of jobs may have “over half their tasks affected by LLMs with simple interfaces and general training. The authors explain that generative pretrained transformers (GPTs) have key characteristics of general-purpose technologies (the other GPTs in the title of the article), and that the wide array of applications for these GPTs requires “robust societal evaluations and policy measures to address potential effects of LLMs and complementary technologies on labor markets”. While only 1.86% of tasks within their experiment, they estimate, could be fully automated by LLMs, “more than 71% of tasks have at least some component that an LLM plus additional software could plausibly complete with high quality”. The article concludes by stressing the need for policies that prepare us for the impact of LLMs on the labour market, but it also acknowledges the limitations of attempting to project LLM application growth due to sudden rapid developments in technology, “shifts in human biases, and technological evolution”. Nevertheless, Eloundou, Manning, and Mishkin maintain that their projections and the trajectory they predict will require continued evaluation and policy measures. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Park, Seyeon, and Xiaoli Nan. 2025. “Generative AI and misinformation: a scoping review of the role of generative AI in the generation, detection, mitigation, and impact of misinformation.” ''AI & Society''. https://doi.org/10.1007/s00146-025-02620-3''' </div> This article constitutes a scoping review of two dozen “recent empirical studies on the role of generative AI in the generation, detection, mitigation, and impact of misinformation.” Park and Nan are interested in the rise of misinformation alongside the development of GenAI technology and how the latter affects and possibly contributes to the former. Of particular interest are “deepfakes”, applications of AI technology that purposely imitate video and audio to fabricate real world individuals. The survey examines relevant articles from the advent of the first GPT models in 2018 to September 19, 2024; authors captured initial studies through keyword searches for terms related to both LLMs and misinformation, then performed full-text reviews. The results of the survey suggest that the role of LLMs in misinformation is conflicted: LLMs themselves are a significant source of misinformation but also show potential as “scalable instruments for detection and correction”. The authors take this as evidence of “the urgent need for clearer guardrails, more consistent performance standards, and interdisciplinary collaboration to shape” GenAI’s responsible deployment. For better or worse, the future of AI’s role in misinformation depends heavily upon scholars’ ability to collaborate and continue this form of research. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Shin, Donghee, Amy Koerber, and Joon Soo Lim. 2024. “Impact of misinformation from generative AI on user information processing: How people understand misinformation from generative AI.” ''New Media & Society'' 26 (12): 7469-7488. https://doi.org/10.1177/14614448241234040''' </div> Shin, Koerber, and Lim perform a study in which they gauge “how users respond to and process health misinformation in GenAI contexts.” The authors apply the heuristic-systematic (HS) processing framework in their study, distinguishing between intuitive and evaluative modes of processing. They also employ the concept of diagnosticity, or how useful a person deems a piece of information to be. The article begins with a survey of how and why misinformation and hallucinations occur in GenAI applications, some of the reasons users are vulnerable to that information, and the limitations of LLMs. The authors then set forth core research questions, including “what are the cognitive mechanisms of misinformation’s effects on users’ use of GenAI?” and “how do users detect misinformation within GenAI?” The study found that diagnosticity plays an important mediating role in this context: “when a piece of information is generated by algorithms in transparent, fair, and accountable ways, users perceive it with a high level of diagnosticity, which improves their intention to systematically analyze that information”. One implication of this observation is that any bias users bring to GenAI content greatly impacts their analysis of that content. Ultimately, the authors conclude that there are clear limitations in their current study, although it does provide a useful framework for scholars interested in misinformation, GenAI, and user behaviour; they advocate for a continued investigation of the relationship between trust, literacy, and misinformation. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Sidorkin, Alexander. 2025. “Environmental Impact of Generative AI: Carbon and Water Footprint.” ''AI-EDU Arxiv'' 1. https://doi.org/10.36851/ai-edu.vi.5448''' </div> This report from Sidorkin provides quantitative estimates and comparisons of the CO2 and Water output from GenAI queries to other daily tasks such as taking a shower, browsing the web, and video conferencing. While individual use of GenAI may seem relatively small in terms of water usage and carbon output, Sidorkin cites the findings of Google and Microsoft’s sustainability reports to show that energy demand and water consumption are on the rise: Google’s data centres used 20% more water in 2022 than 2021 while Microsoft’s used 34% more. Both companies attribute this increase to “AI-driven expansion”. Sidorkin argues that it is difficult to measure impact per session because of significant variation in energy sourcing, noting that this also means that advances in energy sourcing “could significantly mitigate AI’s environmental impact”. He makes the claim that improving AI technology will “[slash] resource demands without sacrificing output quality” and the very use of AI can increase productivity even as it “temper[s] environmental tolls through sharper processes,” citing studies that demonstrate the implementation of AI can reduce energy use in buildings and reduce transportation emissions. The article ends on an optimistic note, suggesting that many of the applications of AI, although they may have a heavy environmental cost up front, “could pay off in spades—optimizing resources, curbing waste, and streamlining energy across swathes of the economy”. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Simon, Judith. 2025. “Generative AI, Quadruple Deception & Trust.” ''Social Epistemology'' 40 (1): 101-115 https://doi.org/10.1080/02691728.2025.2491087''' </div> Simon proposes that GenAI entails four types of deception, and that this quadruple deception constitutes unique dangers. She attributes the rapid rise of GenAI to its capacity to produce “verbal or visual products of increasingly high quality” alongside its “very high usability and availability through simple interfaces and free access via the internet” (101-102). She emphasizes the impact of this technology’s ability to generate content “with high plausibility but no relation to truth,” arguing the crucial importance of images and video especially in “questions of evidence, for testimony, memory but also for eliciting emotions”. Simon argues that the advent of ChatGPT reframed our collective understanding of AI, returning it to a definition in which we perceive ourselves to be interacting with a conversational artificial agent that is intelligent. This distinct interactional form, Simon states, is significant: “ChatGPT differs [from a search engine] in two philosophically relevant regards… it integrates [different results and sources] into a coherent text…” and “its interface and functioning invites the user to communicate or interact with it by asking questions,” what Simon calls a simulation of communicative acts. The four forms of GenAI deception are: “users may be misled into believing that they interact with a human being”; they may also be misled as to “the capacities of AI”, presuming “intelligence, understanding or even consciousness”; users may be misled by content GenAI produces, especially images, video, and audio; finally, users may be misled “regarding the function of Generative AI”, thinking that the processes behind the technology are, for instance, similar to search engines when, in fact, they differ “in epistemologically highly significant ways”. Simon concludes by outlining implications for implementation, discourse, and governance, with suggestions ranging from avoiding anthropomorphic features in AI that might deceive, countering discourses of true AI agency, and establishing policy and law that mitigates deception through AI technology. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Spatharioti, Sofia Eleni, David Rothschild, Daniel G. Goldstein, and Jake M. Hofman. 2025. “Effects of LLM-based Search on Decision Making: Speed, Accuracy, and Overreliance.” ''Proceedings of the 2025 CHI Conference on Human Factors in Computing Systems''. https://doi.org/10.1145/3706598.3714082''' </div> Spatharioti et al. begin by asserting the fundamental change of how we engage in search practices online, noting that “by the end of 2023 the two search engines with over 90% of global and US market share offered free LLM-based search”. The authors note the benefits and drawbacks of both traditional web searches and LLM-based searches, acknowledging the value LLM-based searches bring to internet searches in the form of synthesizing information from multiple sources and maintaining search context by retaining search history, while also admitting to risks of hallucinations and overreliance. The article entails a study of how individuals make decisions with traditional and LLM-based searches, particularly in “every day decision making”. Adapting a method from an earlier study on LLM-generated code, Spatharioti et al. employ colour coding to communicate to users the confidence level of LLM-generated outputs in the “domain of online product research”. The study performed two experiments comparing a traditional internet search (using Bing API) to LLM-based search with and without the colour-coded confidence aid. The results of the first experiment saw users complete the task in about half the time when using LLM-based search, usually accompanied by fewer and more complex queries; however, decision quality dropped for complex tasks, with “almost half of the participants in this condition making an incorrect decision for the final task” when using LLM-based search, and the majority of those using LLM-based search over relied on the tool, performing just a single query. The results of the second experiment suggest that colour-coded responses reflecting output confidence scores could be highly effective in mitigating overreliance and misinformation. Key takeaways from the study include that “if we want to encourage people to think critically about the information presented to them, we need to give them cues that help them to do so,” and very simple cues can help accomplish this. <div style="text-indent: -20px; padding-left: 20px; margin-bottom: -10px"> '''Strubell, Emma, Ananya Ganesh, and Andrew McCallum. 2019. “Energy and Policy Considerations for Deep Learning in NLP.” ''Proceedings of the 57th Annual Meeting of the Association for Computational Linguistics'', 3645-3650. https://doi.org/10.18653/v1/p19-1355 ''' </div> Strubell, Ganesh, and McCallum assert that the most recent improvements in neural network performance at “fundamental NLP tasks” comes at an increased cost of resources, “with the most computationally-hungry models obtaining the highest scores”. The energy, financial, and environmental costs required to train a new model are considerable; the authors of this article “characterize the dollar cost and carbon emissions that result from training the neural networks at the core of many state-of-the-art NLP models” with a view to heighten awareness among NLP researchers and advocate better practices and policy. By estimating the energy required to train the most popular NLP models and then converting that energy value into an approximated carbon and electricity cost, the authors produce ratings and values for each respective application. This allows for an (imperfect) cost-benefit analysis of such applications (e.g., another similar report estimated that an increase of just 0.1 in the English to German BLEU score for NAS cost “at least $150k in on-demand compute time and non-trivial carbon emissions”. The study’s key takeaways are that “authors should report training time and sensitivity to hyperparameters,” allowing for the direct comparison of different models so long as independent standard measurements of training time and model sensitivity are adapted; “Academic researchers need equitable access to computation resources” as industry’s monopoly stifles creativity and growth; and “Researchers should prioritize computationally efficient hardware and algorithms” to both curb costs and encourage efficient development. {{Navigation|previous=AI and Open|next=AI and Scholarship}} {{BookCat}} 7pteswiugcvtlj9fe8vkjd5po2ojcuc 0 483506 4637094 2026-05-23T00:11:42Z Y7at7Y 3582263 Redirected page to [[Chess Opening Theory/1. e4/1...e5/2. d4/2...exd4/3. Bc4]] 4637094 wikitext text/x-wiki #REDIRECT [[Chess Opening Theory/1. e4/1...e5/2. d4/2...exd4/3. Bc4]] cw0v6cd0k95ji9pihx9g1hazt3vcppe 0 483507 4637095 2026-05-23T00:13:12Z Y7at7Y 3582263 Redirected page to [[Chess Opening Theory/1. e4/1...e5/2. Bc4/2...Nf6/3. d4/3...exd4/4. Nf3]] 4637095 wikitext text/x-wiki #REDIRECT [[Chess Opening Theory/1. e4/1...e5/2. Bc4/2...Nf6/3. d4/3...exd4/4. Nf3]] r811w9w821qayenmzavhaysom9gyx27 0 483508 4637096 2026-05-23T00:24:20Z Y7at7Y 3582263 Created page with "{{Chess Opening Theory/Position|Kieseritzky variation |eco=[[Chess/ECOC|C21]] |parent=[[../|Center game accepted]]}} == 3. Nf3 · Kieseritzky variation == With this move, White brings another attacker to Black's d4 pawn. This often transposes to other openings, though independent lines exist. [[Chess Opening Theory/1. e4/1...e5/2. d4/2...exd4/3. Nf3/3...Nc6|'''3...Nc6''']] is the most common move, transposing to the Scotch game line, more normally seen from the move or..." 4637096 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Chess Opening Theory/Position|Kieseritzky variation |eco=[[Chess/ECOC|C21]] |parent=[[../|Center game accepted]]}} == 3. Nf3 · Kieseritzky variation == With this move, White brings another attacker to Black's d4 pawn. This often transposes to other openings, though independent lines exist. [[Chess Opening Theory/1. e4/1...e5/2. d4/2...exd4/3. Nf3/3...Nc6|'''3...Nc6''']] is the most common move, transposing to the Scotch game line, more normally seen from the move order 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 instead. [[Chess Opening Theory/1. e4/1...e5/2. d4/2...exd4/3. Nf3/3...Bc5|'''3...Bc5''']] is another normal move, developing the bishop. This can go two ways; 4. Nxd4 Nc6 transposes into the Classical Scotch game, while 4. c3 is the Lanc-Arnold gambit, an independent option. == Theory table == {{Chess Opening Theory/Table}} {| ! !3 !4 ! |- !Scotch game: Schmidt variation <small>(by transposition)</small> |... Nc6 |Nxd4 Nf6 |= |- !Scotch game: Classical variation <small>(by transposition)</small> |... Bc5 |Nxd4 Nc6 |= |- !Lanc-Arnold gambit |... Bc5 |c3 dxc3 |∞ |} == References == {{ChessMid}}{{Chess Opening Theory/Footer}} {{BookCat}} 4mmyauqblut9b0irmgd9bjchgo6hyo4 0 483509 4637097 2026-05-23T00:26:06Z Y7at7Y 3582263 Redirected page to [[Chess Opening Theory/1. e4/1...e5/2. Nf3/2...Nc6/3. d4/3...exd4]] 4637097 wikitext text/x-wiki #REDIRECT [[Chess Opening Theory/1. e4/1...e5/2. Nf3/2...Nc6/3. d4/3...exd4]] 27aebcyechbn5fxwobz9vyp29ngkubj 0 483510 4637150 2026-05-23T08:31:49Z Henrifant 3497484 Created page with "<center><h2>'''Astronomy for Scrubs'''</h2></center> <center>Welcome to '''Astronomy for Scrubs'''!</center> ==Table of Contents== # [[Astronomy for Scrubs/The Solar System|The Solar System]] ## The Sun ### Solar Flares ### History of the Sun ### Future of the Sun ## Merucury ### Mercury's Core ## Venus ### Weather of Venus ### Geology of Venus ## Earth ### Earth & Moon ### Geography of the Earth TBA" 4637150 wikitext text/x-wiki <center><h2>'''Astronomy for Scrubs'''</h2></center> <center>Welcome to '''Astronomy for Scrubs'''!</center> ==Table of Contents== # [[Astronomy for Scrubs/The Solar System|The Solar System]] ## The Sun ### Solar Flares ### History of the Sun ### Future of the Sun ## Merucury ### Mercury's Core ## Venus ### Weather of Venus ### Geology of Venus ## Earth ### Earth & Moon ### Geography of the Earth TBA 8yx27k6avs0jmh68d8qnhaytsrlw0b9 0 483511 4637156 2026-05-23T09:30:36Z JCrue 2226064 Redirected page to [[Chess Opening Theory/1. e4/1...e5/2. Nf3/2...Nf6/3. Nxe5/3...d5]] 4637156 wikitext text/x-wiki #REDIRECT[[Chess Opening Theory/1. e4/1...e5/2. Nf3/2...Nf6/3. Nxe5/3...d5]] j8w4efqqe4g42fhfxhmnfq8a5o9dbjl 0 483512 4637159 2026-05-23T10:04:55Z JCrue 2226064 Redirected page to [[Chess Opening Theory/1. e4/1...e5/2. Nf3/2...d6/3. Bc4]] 4637159 wikitext text/x-wiki #REDIRECT[[Chess Opening Theory/1. e4/1...e5/2. Nf3/2...d6/3. Bc4]] klclcvvqszv51qkjlnt9e3e0eb1do9f 1 483513 4637171 2026-05-23T11:02:58Z JCrue 2226064 /* Deletion */ new section 4637171 wikitext text/x-wiki == Deletion == As with [[Talk:Chess Opening Theory/1. e4/1...e5/2. Bc4/2...c5]] and [[Talk:Chess Opening Theory/1. e4/1...e5/2. Bc4/2...Qe7]] this is an irrational move that is also vanishingly uncommon in tournament and amateur play. I don't think this page is salvageable because there's nothing informative to say about this position and it is out of the scope of chess opening theory. [[User:JCrue|JCrue]] ([[User talk:JCrue|discuss]] • [[Special:Contributions/JCrue|contribs]]) 11:02, 23 May 2026 (UTC) nmrkz1xuee09wre7ibnyaangi0jimhk